[AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the improvements to the BW that MM/partners or whoever has made. I am still deeply troubled. I came to this conclusion almost 4 years ago and have tried to dissuade myself. I can't escape it however. Things will not go right until Partners leaves or has an epiphany. MM may lose patience as it loses more money. Metro is fed up with them as is probably the city. I met with the BCH people this morning on a NYC matter. Ultra deep pockets. They spoke to Partners and MM. They have no use for Partners. Don't believe a word they say. They are of the opinion that the city took it on the chin in this deal. I am passed placing blame. Somehow Partners has to go. Don't get me wrong - I recognize and welcome many of the improvements over the past year. What I am afraid of is that it will dry up and wither as soon as MM has had enough. Not that MM is a white knight, but I know what life and progress was under Partners alone. Hopefully I am wrong, but when I see extremely successful real estate people all come to the same conclusion my fear is reinforced. == Thanks for the insights Dan, I guess either one 'sees it' or doesn't. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Madison Marquette is working hard to bring us a nicer boardwalk. I stand behind their recent efforts, and I'm not going to rush to judge things. == All thats been done is yet more paint jobs and 'temporary' repairs to the 5th Ave Pav. OK, the 'Plaza' (that's supposed to be green acres space). The Casino/ConHall projects should have been started 5 years ago. OK yes I'll give them credit for getting that jump started. == Our boardwalk area was a hotbed of positive activity this weekend, ranging from the concerts at CH, scenes from the movie Greta being filmed along the boardwalk, and the BMX tournament at the Casino. The BMX event brought people in from all over the country and world. == The bottom line is that the City (The Taxpayers) are getting the short end of the stick. All the events, movie sets, rentals, etc, on the beachfront are benefiting Asbury Partners. They are the owners/landlord of those properties, not the City. The bulk of revenue is going to Partners/MM. The assessed base of all those properties does not increase with the increased revenue generation for the owners. The spill over effect of benefit to the City only happens in the beach season when the City collects beach badge fees. From a marketing perspective, Yes, exposure is great but again the PLAN that was banked on was to have 1000s of tax producing condos. How will all these 'nice' events SIGNIFICANTLY help to get the CITY (Taxpayers) out of the economic hole that's been dug? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Its not about the Planters
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, Honestly, how can you expect the 1000 condos to be occupied by now, even if they were all built, considering the way the real estate market is these days? They missed the 'boat'. However NOT having them built may be a blessing in disguise - the Plan should be modified to reflect a better economic model. I get the other points you are making, but don't you ever see anything good in the improvements that have been made? Yes progress is good, However consistently spending money and resources on frills and 'showboating' is not addressing the priorities. Yes, things are off schedule. Yes, it's not going to be a restored AP. But parts are being restored, such as the copper ships on top of CH, and eventually the Casino will be restored. The Ships ??? That is such a small issue compared to the structural damage that needs to be repaired in ConHall. (Frills?? Showboating??) What are the appropriate priorities? The Casino is going well - A New Roof !!! We can bitch and complain all we want, but we are never going to get the old AP back. It just seems like everytime something new pops up, you just see the negative. Why not devote some time to presenting your plan to make things the way you want? === OK - Thanks Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OK Done - seems like a lost cause
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice example Werner. That is how a lot of people think when it comes to AP... Or anything in general for that matter. They just want something done.. anything. They don't care if it's right or wrong, just get it done. That can lead to very bad things. The town need to build a bride. Build one tomorrow that will probably fail a year from now? Or spend a week planning one that will last much longer. The towns people choose to build tomorrow. A week of planing wouldn't have been a problem, but they chose the fast easy way out. = Sums things up very well. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
I'm inclined, no, convinced of what you state and you state it clearly! Coming from you, who I consider reliable AND honest, I take you at your word! Thanks for simplifying, what I already thought! I consider what you state, to be the truth and nothing else! You're like E.F. Hutton! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the improvements to the BW that MM/partners or whoever has made. I am still deeply troubled. I came to this conclusion almost 4 years ago and have tried to dissuade myself. I can't escape it however. Things will not go right until Partners leaves or has an epiphany. MM may lose patience as it loses more money. Metro is fed up with them as is probably the city. I met with the BCH people this morning on a NYC matter. Ultra deep pockets. They spoke to Partners and MM. They have no use for Partners. Don't believe a word they say. They are of the opinion that the city took it on the chin in this deal. I am passed placing blame. Somehow Partners has to go. Don't get me wrong - I recognize and welcome many of the improvements over the past year. What I am afraid of is that it will dry up and wither as soon as MM has had enough. Not that MM is a white knight, but I know what life and progress was under Partners alone. Hopefully I am wrong, but when I see extremely successful real estate people all come to the same conclusion my fear is reinforced. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Square Park update and Trinity Church Meeting
Jack, So glad to hear that you have connected with someone. I edited my reply just to say this. Yesterday I celebrated my anniversary, by going on an early Christmas shopping jaunt and lunch in Eatontown. We came through Sunset Ave. to Main St. At the light was the dog and pony show, the PD on horseback, a gross waste of money IMHO, but if this is what the residents want, who am I? Being of a practical mind, I could think of so many better ways the funds dedicated to this, could be spent. Having been raised in a large city, Cops on horseback were used during Mardi Gras season, when the Circus came to town and at the Superdome. Crowd control! Where's the crowd here? I've also seen mounted police at Veterans Stadium, during football season, yeah, I know it was torn down and at Shea Stadium, when the Jets played there! crowd control! Is it me or is Asbury, a gentrified fairy tale? I mean that literally, no puns or jokes intended! I'm serious! What a waste, as they trotted and walked down Main St. Couldn't wait, to get away from them. It's a shame and we allow it! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I'll like to update the group with things concerning LSP. First off, I'm continuing in my effort to get the lighting fixed. Reidy still hasn't returned my email, but I have had a discussion with his assistant about 2 weeks ago, but as of yet, still no progress with getting the lights fixed. I'll keep trying though, and I may have a meeting with JK very soon to discuss this. The PD has been patrolling the area since I found the hypodermic needle, and the ocean front security patrols have also expanded to the east side of the park. Since the cleanup of the park, no new drug bags have been found. Unfortunately, some of our residents still view the vandalized fountain and surrounding park as a dumping ground. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
Werner, I share your dissapointment with what has not been accomplished over the past five years. But we are where we are and can't judge what's being done now by MM through the lens of where we should have been had the past five years been different. That is both unrealistic and unfair. MM has been here for less than a year. They appear to be trying - for the first time someone is making a real commitment and effort in my opinion. They don't have a magic wand or a time machine. By your standards unless they can step back in time and redo the past five years nothing they do will be right. In less than a year they have demonstrated a commitment to making things happen. Rome was not built in a day and neither will Asbury Park be restored in a year. I may not agree with everything they do - nobody will - but on the whole they should get credit and community input not criticism for the past failures of Asbury Partners. And regardless of who gets the revenue - it is critical that people keep coming. The boardwalk was alive this weekend - the first weekend in November. It should have been a ghost town down there. You may think it doesn't matter but it does. Momentum is a very real thing and I'm glad they are trying to continue to build it and not just closing up shop through the fall. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Madison Marquette is working hard to bring us a nicer boardwalk. I stand behind their recent efforts, and I'm not going to rush to judge things. == All thats been done is yet more paint jobs and 'temporary' repairs to the 5th Ave Pav. OK, the 'Plaza' (that's supposed to be green acres space). The Casino/ConHall projects should have been started 5 years ago. OK yes I'll give them credit for getting that jump started. == Our boardwalk area was a hotbed of positive activity this weekend, ranging from the concerts at CH, scenes from the movie Greta being filmed along the boardwalk, and the BMX tournament at the Casino. The BMX event brought people in from all over the country and world. == The bottom line is that the City (The Taxpayers) are getting the short end of the stick. All the events, movie sets, rentals, etc, on the beachfront are benefiting Asbury Partners. They are the owners/landlord of those properties, not the City. The bulk of revenue is going to Partners/MM. The assessed base of all those properties does not increase with the increased revenue generation for the owners. The spill over effect of benefit to the City only happens in the beach season when the City collects beach badge fees. From a marketing perspective, Yes, exposure is great but again the PLAN that was banked on was to have 1000s of tax producing condos. How will all these 'nice' events SIGNIFICANTLY help to get the CITY (Taxpayers) out of the economic hole that's been dug? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
Being able to get Paramoiunt up and Running was great. It foes bring people in. People spend money IF u get them to stay overnight OR lure them to other businesses in the city. Do they stop at DD or Franks or MCd or come downtown? ASK the business owners - do they want NOTHING on the boardwalk or for now, hopefully get spillover from someones elses promos on the BW. Typlcially the venue gets minimal $ off the event. They get rent and maybe a % of sales. now it takes what to lure someone to put a show on in AP?? Thats where the venue has to charge enough in extras - like BEER . Thankfuly, most of those tacky banners were removed this summer. Last year, under partners, there were more coors banners strung everywhere. People come to AP They see it clean. (call it smoke and mirrors but it is what it is). What happens next. People start asking how much is this house or that condothen maybe you get wila new resident. Maybe somone like Jack or Dan or have chuztpah to stand up and make a difference. To call it like it is. So efforts of MM wil come out over the next few years - they will now if and when they get a return on their/theuir partners investments. They even managed to make the 4th ave pavill look clean - even though offices dont belong on ground level retail on a boardwalk. That to me was real, real stupid. Prime retail space. And no public restrooms.showers...dumb dumb. Events bring people. people will spend money. Hopefully in AP and not before they reach AP or leave AP. One step at a time. Sometimes back, sometimes forward Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
The question remains how is the budget shortfall going to be fixed - By hitting the current residential property owners hard ? No, they will claim hardship and the pain it will cause to city property owners. They state will again print money and hand it over - run the city, run the schools etc. Property owners in AP pay alot now and they dont pay either. The rest of the state pays for the LACK of development in AP. Lucky individuals stepped up and redid what they did. YOu have quite a few condos that are FINISHED that havent been sold A new 500k condo on the oceanfront runs about 7500 yr in taxes plus maint. That's not exactly an easy sell. It's all NJ - TAXES. $600 month on 500k. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
Anyone agree that having portable toilets on the boardwalk is not in the best interests of the City? Or am I alone on that one? Werner agreed, Actually, it looks like sh*t. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
As hard as it is to feel this way, I don't think MM can be saddled with the sins of the past and be forced to play catchup, either by working 5 times faster or by somehow being forced to deal with the shortfall in taxables caused by Partners lack of progress. My opinion is that you have to look at MM's entry as the starting point for them and judge what they are able to do in a reasonable timeframe apart from justifyable frustrations that should be directed to Partners. It is never wise to punish the son for the sins of the father. Judge MM on what they are doing as though the slate with them is clean. Again, nobody will always agree with what they do but overall they seem to be investing and things are getting done. I wish we had five years back but we don't and it wasn't their fault. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, I do agree with what you observe, however even MM has been dragging their feet. Perhaps due to problems with the Partners, I don't know. What I do know is that I attended the planning board applications for the 5th Ave Pav. This project is a 'no-brainer' The Plan calls for the Pavilion to be restored, in its entirety. They begged to be approved for a temporary approval of a partial rehab. This is one building that requires very little design/thought about what the finished product should be. There are original renderings, images, prints, etc, available. Yet another year has gone by. Just one concrete example of continued delay in spite of evidently having great financial resources. What you do not comment on is my concern, the financial health of this City. Recall that the State contributed $7.5M this year to fix our shortfall. Its already been stated that $8M will be needed next year. As to making things happen and a good 'show' thats all fine. I'll even concede that the last 5 years are over. But considering that, shouldn't the current efforts be at triple speed to make up the lost time? Instead of asking for temporary approvals. The question remains how is the budget shortfall going to be fixed - By hitting the current residential property owners hard ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Werner, I share your dissapointment with what has not been accomplished over the past five years. But we are where we are and can't judge what's being done now by MM through the lens of where we should have been had the past five years been different. That is both unrealistic and unfair. MM has been here for less than a year. They appear to be trying - for the first time someone is making a real commitment and effort in my opinion. They don't have a magic wand or a time machine. By your standards unless they can step back in time and redo the past five years nothing they do will be right. In less than a year they have demonstrated a commitment to making things happen. Rome was not built in a day and neither will Asbury Park be restored in a year. I may not agree with everything they do - nobody will - but on the whole they should get credit and community input not criticism for the past failures of Asbury Partners. And regardless of who gets the revenue - it is critical that people keep coming. The boardwalk was alive this weekend - the first weekend in November. It should have been a ghost town down there. You may think it doesn't matter but it does. Momentum is a very real thing and I'm glad they are trying to continue to build it and not just closing up shop through the fall. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Just a Thought from Outside the Box
All, I am not a City resident, I have been accused and am guilty. That being said, I have a question. The recent meeting which the City held to discuss the shortcomings of the Partners, what was that all about.. does anyone know? APP reported that the meeting would be held, the City's own website mentioned that No official action would be taken following the meeting. MM seems to have some kind of focus, while the Partners seem no to; I am certainly not qualified to answer my own question, so, I am asking this group. The Partners have used emminent domain at their will to claim many properties whith wich they do NOTHING with (unless, of course MM presses them to do so.) Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. Glenn Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I am not a City resident, I have been accused and am guilty. That being said, I have a question. The recent meeting which the City held to discuss the shortcomings of the Partners, what was that all about.. does anyone know? APP reported that the meeting would be held, the City's own website mentioned that No official action would be taken following the meeting. MM seems to have some kind of focus, while the Partners seem no to; I am certainly not qualified to answer my own question, so, I am asking this group. The Partners have used emminent domain at their will to claim many properties whith wich they do NOTHING with (unless, of course MM presses them to do so.) Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. Glenn Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
Thank you, I do agree with what you observe, however even MM has been dragging their feet. Perhaps due to problems with the Partners, I don't know. What I do know is that I attended the planning board applications for the 5th Ave Pav. This project is a 'no-brainer' The Plan calls for the Pavilion to be restored, in its entirety. They begged to be approved for a temporary approval of a partial rehab. This is one building that requires very little design/thought about what the finished product should be. There are original renderings, images, prints, etc, available. Yet another year has gone by. Just one concrete example of continued delay in spite of evidently having great financial resources. What you do not comment on is my concern, the financial health of this City. Recall that the State contributed $7.5M this year to fix our shortfall. Its already been stated that $8M will be needed next year. As to making things happen and a good 'show' thats all fine. I'll even concede that the last 5 years are over. But considering that, shouldn't the current efforts be at triple speed to make up the lost time? Instead of asking for temporary approvals. The question remains how is the budget shortfall going to be fixed - By hitting the current residential property owners hard ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I share your dissapointment with what has not been accomplished over the past five years. But we are where we are and can't judge what's being done now by MM through the lens of where we should have been had the past five years been different. That is both unrealistic and unfair. MM has been here for less than a year. They appear to be trying - for the first time someone is making a real commitment and effort in my opinion. They don't have a magic wand or a time machine. By your standards unless they can step back in time and redo the past five years nothing they do will be right. In less than a year they have demonstrated a commitment to making things happen. Rome was not built in a day and neither will Asbury Park be restored in a year. I may not agree with everything they do - nobody will - but on the whole they should get credit and community input not criticism for the past failures of Asbury Partners. And regardless of who gets the revenue - it is critical that people keep coming. The boardwalk was alive this weekend - the first weekend in November. It should have been a ghost town down there. You may think it doesn't matter but it does. Momentum is a very real thing and I'm glad they are trying to continue to build it and not just closing up shop through the fall. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... And no public restrooms.showers...dumb dumb. == Every Pavilion should have a requirement to provide public rest rooms. Or perhaps every other Pavilion geographically. I saw no replies to my observation of portable toilets on the boardwalk. The ConHall public restroom facilities are still not restored. Anyone agree that having portable toilets on the boardwalk is not in the best interests of the City? Or am I alone on that one? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
Got my vote on that Werner! Anyone agree that having portable toilets on the boardwalk is not in the best interests of the City? Or am I alone on that one? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. Glenn I said this a couple years ago. I called it reverse eminent domain. At least take phase II and III of Wesley Grove, remove the redevelopment zone that covers homes east of kingsley which will enable owners to work on their own properties or remove the cloud. Take the pony block, the lot behind empress, 3rd ave block take it and resell it to INDIVIDUAL, national developers. Reverse eminent domain. There's an excellent recent court decision to support this today. It's called KELO. Kelo - while an area might look good or not be blighted, there is a better public good that will produce more taxes and better the life of the local residents. Get rid of the council except 1. New attorneys. New life. Time to use KELO as the court wants it to be used. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. Amazing. Like my kids. I'll do it later. I swear I'll it when I get home. I'm tired. I don't have time. Just a minute. Tomorrow. Me and mel will do it when she gets back from vacation. I don't know how. Can you help me tomorrow. I don't have money to do it. U don't understand how hard it is. I had school, then work, the study... GET IT?? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
I think we all agree that Asbury Partners sucks. So why isn't there a group like SUFA to get them out? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone agree that having portable toilets on the boardwalk is not in the best interests of the City? Or am I alone on that one? Werner agreed, Actually, it looks like sh*t. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? I'm wondering how many emails and phone calls it's gonna take. David Stout told me it took 5 months to get a street light fixed near Trinity Church. Ridiculous. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. Amazing. Like my kids. I'll do it later. I swear I'll it when I get home. I'm tired. I don't have time. Just a minute. Tomorrow. Me and mel will do it when she gets back from vacation. I don't know how. Can you help me tomorrow. I don't have money to do it. U don't understand how hard it is. I had school, then work, the study... GET IT?? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Partners have used emminent domain at their will to claim many properties whith wich they do NOTHING with (unless, of course MM presses them to do so.) Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? I have written and spoken about this for a couple of years. I have advised (or tried to) on this matter. The WRA prohibits the City from condemning property in the redevelopment zone without Partner's approval. That is so Partners cannot be forced to take and pay for property before it wants to. It would include Partners properties as well. However, what I told the city, is that it cannot contractually agree to limits its inherent sovereign power. Thus, nothing could stop the city from violating that provision. Only the state legislature can limit a local sovereign's power of eminent domain. However, that being said, while nothing could stop the city from taking property contrary to that provision, Partners might be able to sue for breach of contract. However, another possibility is that the court could find that the provision limiting the city's power of eminent domain was contrary to the public good and thus, the provision is not only unenforceable but void ab initio (never existed). All of this is an invitation to litigation. No one wanted it, especially after being held in purgatory by the bankruptcy court. However, I believe that ultimately a tiger cannot change its stripes and litigation will be necessary. While I wish it did not have to happen, perhaps the city leaders will finally reach the breaking point and decide that we have to tighten our belts and go to the mattresses. That litigation could grease the skids for Partners' exit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? Ladder, screw driver, light bulbs, Someone to hold the ladder, I;m afraid of heights usually, so I can hold the ladder. Hinge for mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. I for one never cited corruption for this acquiescence or for the creation of the conditions of the deal without proof. As for the latter, while I may have my opinion, it is based on circumstantial evidence. Let's just say that there were extraordinary circumstances and coincidences back then. The deal was certainly not birthed under the best of conditions. As to the former, I say let's take your approach with MM and apply it to the council. The past is past. Placing blame will get us no where unless someone is blocking progress and they can be removed. We are where we are. I know for a fact that the entire council and governing body is fed up with Partners and wish they were gone. I am not bowing down, but I have decided to try to work with the council to make things better here. I think we all want the same thing and despite any differences of opinions I have had with certain council members, I believe they have the best interests of the city at heart. I may think they are wrong at times or that they do not have the ability or wherewithal to do what is necessary, but they are doing what they think is correct. Thus, we are all in the same boat. The object is to move forward and we should all put our shoulders together and push in the same direction. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I'd love to fix them ourselves. I have no fear of heights. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? Ladder, screw driver, light bulbs, Someone to hold the ladder, I;m afraid of heights usually, so I can hold the ladder. Hinge for mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I'd love to fix them ourselves. I have no fear of heights. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? Ladder, screw driver, light bulbs, Someone to hold the ladder, I;m afraid of heights usually, so I can hold the ladder. Hinge for mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Square Park update and Trinity Church Meeting
Thanks to those of you who responded to my post yesterday. I really appreciate your kind words and support. I'll keep you posted as I move forward. Now, I'm trying to think of the best way to help implement the Change for Asbury Program I described yesterday. I've never done anything like this before, so any suggestions would be appreciated. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, So glad to hear that you have connected with someone. I edited my reply just to say this. Yesterday I celebrated my anniversary, by going on an early Christmas shopping jaunt and lunch in Eatontown. We came through Sunset Ave. to Main St. At the light was the dog and pony show, the PD on horseback, a gross waste of money IMHO, but if this is what the residents want, who am I? Being of a practical mind, I could think of so many better ways the funds dedicated to this, could be spent. Having been raised in a large city, Cops on horseback were used during Mardi Gras season, when the Circus came to town and at the Superdome. Crowd control! Where's the crowd here? I've also seen mounted police at Veterans Stadium, during football season, yeah, I know it was torn down and at Shea Stadium, when the Jets played there! crowd control! Is it me or is Asbury, a gentrified fairy tale? I mean that literally, no puns or jokes intended! I'm serious! What a waste, as they trotted and walked down Main St. Couldn't wait, to get away from them. It's a shame and we allow it! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Greetings, I'll like to update the group with things concerning LSP. First off, I'm continuing in my effort to get the lighting fixed. Reidy still hasn't returned my email, but I have had a discussion with his assistant about 2 weeks ago, but as of yet, still no progress with getting the lights fixed. I'll keep trying though, and I may have a meeting with JK very soon to discuss this. The PD has been patrolling the area since I found the hypodermic needle, and the ocean front security patrols have also expanded to the east side of the park. Since the cleanup of the park, no new drug bags have been found. Unfortunately, some of our residents still view the vandalized fountain and surrounding park as a dumping ground. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Square Park update and Trinity Church Meeting
Thanks to those of you who responded to my post yesterday. I really appreciate your kind words and support. I'll keep you posted as I move forward. Now, I'm trying to think of the best way to help implement the Change for Asbury Program I described yesterday. I've never done anything like this before, so any suggestions would be appreciated. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, So glad to hear that you have connected with someone. I edited my reply just to say this. Yesterday I celebrated my anniversary, by going on an early Christmas shopping jaunt and lunch in Eatontown. We came through Sunset Ave. to Main St. At the light was the dog and pony show, the PD on horseback, a gross waste of money IMHO, but if this is what the residents want, who am I? Being of a practical mind, I could think of so many better ways the funds dedicated to this, could be spent. Having been raised in a large city, Cops on horseback were used during Mardi Gras season, when the Circus came to town and at the Superdome. Crowd control! Where's the crowd here? I've also seen mounted police at Veterans Stadium, during football season, yeah, I know it was torn down and at Shea Stadium, when the Jets played there! crowd control! Is it me or is Asbury, a gentrified fairy tale? I mean that literally, no puns or jokes intended! I'm serious! What a waste, as they trotted and walked down Main St. Couldn't wait, to get away from them. It's a shame and we allow it! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Greetings, I'll like to update the group with things concerning LSP. First off, I'm continuing in my effort to get the lighting fixed. Reidy still hasn't returned my email, but I have had a discussion with his assistant about 2 weeks ago, but as of yet, still no progress with getting the lights fixed. I'll keep trying though, and I may have a meeting with JK very soon to discuss this. The PD has been patrolling the area since I found the hypodermic needle, and the ocean front security patrols have also expanded to the east side of the park. Since the cleanup of the park, no new drug bags have been found. Unfortunately, some of our residents still view the vandalized fountain and surrounding park as a dumping ground. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
This post is a major bright spot on this gloomy day! In a message dated 11/6/2007 10:16:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are where we are. I know for a fact that the entire council and governing body is fed up with Partners and wish they were gone. I am not bowing down, but I have decided to try to work with the council to make things better here. I think we all want the same thing and despite any differences of opinions I have had with certain council members, I believe they have the best interests of the city at heart. I may think they are wrong at times or that they do not have the ability or wherewithal to do what is necessary, but they are doing what they think is correct. Thus, we are all in the same boat. The object is to move forward and we should all put our shoulders together and push in the same direction. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] ESPN - 11/05: Asbury Park Locals Got Down and Dirty
Asbury Park, NJ—The best riders in street BMX came from across the country to battle it out at the Red Bull Down Dirty contest, but it was a team of underground locals that wowed them all The event was put on in partnership with Zoo York, Madison Marquette with course design by Animal Bikes and built by Ed Pollio. _ESPN - 11/05: PROS AND LOCALS GOT DOWN DIRTY - EXPN.com_ (http://expn.go.com/expn/story?id=3095330) More kudos for aggressive action in AP. ESPN should have know that Down and Dirty is a long-time tradition here. Part of our local color. Hopefully it'll never give way to a McPier Village. Get out and vote all! Villapiano, Napolitani, Pirnat,... ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
Another keeper. Post on refrigerator. In a message dated 11/6/2007 7:42:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But we are where we are and can't judge what's being done now by MM through the lens of where we should have been had the past five years been different MM has been here for less than a year. They appear to be trying - for the first time someone is making a real commitment and effort in my opinion. They don't have a magic wand or a time machine. In less than a year they have demonstrated a commitment to making things happen. Rome was not built in a day and neither will Asbury Park be restored in a year. I may not agree with everything they do - nobody will - but on the whole they should get credit and community input And regardless of who gets the revenue - it is critical that people keep coming. The boardwalk was alive this weekend - the first weekend in November. It should have been a ghost town down there. ...Momentum is a very real thing and I'm glad they are trying to continue to build it and not just closing up shop through the fall. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. = First of all you need to understand that Asbury Partners has the development 'rights' within the Redevelopment Area. The designation of that area is what allows the City to use Eminent Domain and turn over property to the Partners. More significant is the fact that everything East of Ocean Ave is NOT in the Redevelopment Area. That was all Public property sold outright to the Partners. It is now Private Property and not in a redevelopment area. The City could declare Eminent Domain on any or all property east of Ocean Ave and return it to Public Ownership. I have always said that keeping that property in public control, for example leasing it to operators, would have been the best approach instead of a sale. In addition the Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits available along with Preservation Grants that are targeted for public sites would have been very valuable. As it is, its all private property, so why is Code Enforcement not all over them like they are with some folks ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Skeptics say Economic Impact Unclear
Sobering thoughts about the arena. I remember when, a long time ago, AP had all its hopes in one or two baskets (gambling, Jai alai, etc.). Hope we stay on track with a holistic approach as mentioned in this article. Adapted from Newark Arena's Economic Impact Unclear - New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/04arenanj.h\ tml?_r=1oref=slogin Heard it before. It's going to rejuvenate the area! This will be the key to revitalizing the city! The problem is that the arguments don't fly. Less optimistic about the arena's prospects as an economic engine: It really hasn't played out favorably in many cities. Skeptic...looked at salaries and the number of jobs in the area before and after Some benefit if the project is integrated with things like residential housing and retail stores and coordinated into a complete local redevelopment plan. Officials insist that they do have a holistic plan: Two developers are close to signing deals to bring hotels to the area, and Mayor Cory A. Booker http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/cory_booke\ r/index.html?inline=nyt-per wants to ensure that the jobs there are filled by local union members. The city is changing zoning laws to make it easier for developers to turn abandoned commercial property into residential units. Streetscape improvements...lure businesses and make loans to existing or relocating small, minority-owned companies. == Skeptics, good. Cynics, not so good. Vote today.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stop the Static
Anyone agree that having portable toilets on the boardwalk is not in the best interests of the City? Or am I alone on that one? I'll agree with you there! I thought it was fine the first year or two, but by that point, you'd think something more perminate would be visiable. The first ave pavillion at least has working ones, behing the Empress. Where exactly are the bathrooms in CH? I don't think i've ever seen them. I do see LOTS of work going oin on the storefronts in side the arcade area of the hall. Lots of new renovated spaces, with openings soon i assume.. The raised concrete floor on the eastern side of the aracde hall has been jackhammered out. Not sure why, maybe under floor pipe work, or some other installations. Not sure __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:27:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always said that keeping that property in public control, for example leasing it to operators, would have been the best approach instead of a sale. In addition the Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits available along with Preservation Grants that are targeted for public sites would have been very valuable. As it is, its all private property, Decisions made during that group-think era when privatization was supposed to be the wave and savior of the future, and all public interests were swept aside. Enron, Merrill Lynch, Citigroup et al.: So much for that idea. so why is Code Enforcement not all over them like they are with some folks ? Has that uneven enforcement question ever been answered? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Skeptics say Economic Impact Unclear
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sobering thoughts about the arena. I remember when, a long time ago, AP had all its hopes in one or two baskets (gambling, Jai alai, etc.). Hope we stay on track with a holistic approach as mentioned in this article. Adapted from Newark Arena's Economic Impact Unclear - Newark has a major corporate sponsor. Prudential. I spent 2+ years working at Pru in NEwark. And I walked almost every street- that was before it was where it was today. (about 7 years ago) I thought my name was legally changed to whitey or white boy. I think I bought the movie good burger on the street, right in front of the Newark cop. Newark has other corporatations there as well - office workers. Court house, where a lwayer I spoke to the other day about the Esperanza told me bullets bounced off the court house not so long agoAsbury was nothing to be afraid of. I was eating lunch outside the train station and Gateway center once, and I thought they were filming a tv show. Watched as a women had her bag grabbed from her and the perp running down the street, the women f'in him as she chased him, then 2 newark transit police who couldn't move to well... Newark is a better place. That is, until Don Pepe's served me cold chicken and destroyed their Tiramasu. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. Maybe the city has that anything is better then nothing attitude going? No idea.. I don't like to think that, but at certain times i wonder. Some of the crazy things that have gone out, you stop and wonder how they would allow such things. The only guess would be they asume that anything they do is better then where their at now. Who knows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
All thats been done is yet more paint jobs and 'temporary' repairs to the 5th Ave Pav. OK, the 'Plaza' (that's supposed to be green acres space). The Casino/ConHall projects should have been started 5 years ago. OK yes I'll give them credit for getting that jump started. I think the point being made is that MM have already done a lot of things, things that Asbury Partners should have done years ago. MM is standing up and showing they are here, and they want to do things. Not everyone will like what they are doing, and will do, but that's a different topic. Not the topic regarding they are doing things. No, not doing anything is better then nothing. Some people clearly like different parts of what they see so far. The Casino should have been started years ago, you're right. It wasn't However now it is, and it seems to be going pretty fast. The plaza is green acres. I know where your going with that, so we don't need to go over it again. Also keep in mind nothing was built on the green acres land. It is still open land, giving an open view to the boardwalk and beach. Part of what the green acres space was intended for? Hard scape, flat hardscape was added. NO fences, large walls, trees. All things that could have been done. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re: How does BW activity help the bottom line ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As hard as it is to feel this way, I don't think MM can be saddled with the sins of the past and be forced to play catchup, either by working 5 times faster or by somehow being forced to deal with the shortfall in taxables caused by Partners lack of progress. My opinion is that you have to look at MM's entry as the starting point for them and judge what they are able to do in a reasonable timeframe apart from justifyable frustrations that should be directed to Partners. It is never wise to punish the son for the sins of the father. Judge MM on what they are doing as though the slate with them is clean. Again, nobody will always agree with what they do but overall they seem to be investing and things are getting done. I wish we had five years back but we don't and it wasn't their fault. === Just some clarification as to the responsibilities/positions of the parties involved. Asbury Partners has the development rights in the entire Redevelopment Area (I'll give the boundaries if anyone is interested) They are responsible for assembling large parcels of property in the RA and selling them to 'real' developers. They own everything east of Ocean Ave due to the sale of public property by the City. That property is not in the RA and has not been rehabilitated as was promised. Madison Marquette is a partner of Asbury Partners with Asbury Partners holding the majority say. MM is in for the retail component along the beachfront (E of Ocean Ave). Then there's Paramount (N of BCH) Metro (C-8) and Westminster (Wesley) all of which are developing property that Asbury Partners received title to from the Carabetta settlement. No ED was used to acquire them. The point of all this - just to put it all in perspective while figuring out who to blame/praise for what's going on. (Ultimately, isn't it the City Council?) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] ESPN - 11/05: Asbury Park Locals Got Down and Dirty
In a message dated 11/6/2007 10:33:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Asbury Park, NJ—The best riders in street BMX came from across the country ..., but it was a team of underground locals that wowed them allThe event was put on in partnership Madison Marquette _ESPN - 11/05: PROS AND LOCALS GOT DOWN DIRTY - EXPN.com_ (http://expn.go.com/expn/story?id=3095330) ESPN should have know that Down and Dirty is a long-time tradition here. Part of our local color. Hopefully it'll never give way to a McPier Village. Forgot to mention that underground locals is another revered tradition. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Skeptics say Economic Impact Unclear
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sobering thoughts about the arena. I remember when, a long time ago, AP had all its hopes in one or two baskets (gambling, Jai alai, etc.). Hope we stay on track with a holistic approach as mentioned in this article. Adapted from Newark Arena's Economic Impact Unclear - New York Times == And, for a blast from the past regarding 'holistic' development read my writings from BF (Before Fishman): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/372 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/603 Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:56:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was in Public Property. It didn't work and it cost the city money - it was a big circle. The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. Race issues, general neglect of cities statewide, private scum slum lords, private exploiters of all types, corrupt politicians, and even long-time residents, who for one reason or another, just threw up their hands and gave up. Somehow we were lucky to get an influx of new blood many of whom are respect the importance of dovetailing public and private interests. Governments should run government, not businesses. Each has its own function. But government should have a hand in prudent regulation of businesses using public assets. All those plans were meant to SAVE the buildings, bring in development and people. It was one failure after another. Let's all hope it works this time. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:27:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always said that keeping that property in public control, for example leasing it to operators, would have been the best approach instead of a sale. It was in Public Property. It didn't work and it cost the city money - it was a big circle. Governments should run government, not businesses. All those plans were meant to SAVE the buildings, bring in development and people. It was one failure after another. Look at AC. It has taken since 1978 to get the point were it is today. Actually, AC is in its 2nd or 3rd redevelopment cycle - or still in their first. Sands came down, Marina district booming, another pier/casino/hotel planned by international company of over 1million sq ft, lead roads filled with motels...entertainment detination, family destination developing. In a bit over an hour, you can be at the Borgata. They need to comp better. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:56:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was in Public Property. It didn't work and it cost the city money - it was a big circle. The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. Trust me on this. I was a retail tenant in a city owned building. That being on the boardwalk. They had no money to do baisc maintenace nor provide support services for a number of reasons. For the city and the residents, the BW was a money losing operation. It was due to a number of factors. They looked for help and got f'd not once, but three or four times. Lots of reasons why. We all have our opinions, valid or not. End of story. TODAY is today and progress for the word that it is, it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Skeptics say Economic Impact Unclear
I was wondering, can we/should we list all of OUR accomplishments for the pat SIX (6) years? How about our goals on how we will improve our life/our friends or friends to be over the NEXT SIX (6) years. Who wants to go first? Actaully, Jack is first. He is doing something to solve a problem. Next Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
In a message dated 11/6/2007 1:45:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Trust me on this. I was a retail tenant in a city owned building. That being on the boardwalk. Trust me. I was a resident even before Bruce the so-called riots. I seen all phases since then. They had no money to do baisc maintenace nor provide support services for a number of reasons. Just what I said: The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. A number of reasons. For the city and the residents, the BW was a money losing operation. It was due to a number of factors. Just what I said: The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. A number of reasons (factors). They looked for help and got f'd not once, but three or four times. Lots of reasons why. Just what I said: The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. A number of reasons (factors). TODAY is today and progress for the word that it is, it is. Just what I said: Let's all hope it works this time. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Jack, Today, I went past the park, slooowly and I thought it was a disgrace! Not a light to be found! The plants? GONE! Not many people in the park, due to the weather, but it looks neglected! NO, it isn't YOU! What in the world is going on over there? But this town has cajones, for a dog and pony show, but not a sheckle, for a light, in what could be, a pretty, town square! SAD! Where are the priorities? I can hear out of towners, Asbury can't fix its' infrastructure, but has tons of money, (from the state), for EVERYTHING else! Your TAX dollars at work! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? I'm wondering how many emails and phone calls it's gonna take. David Stout told me it took 5 months to get a street light fixed near Trinity Church. Ridiculous. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Library Square Lights
I tried to notify Hinge of this but maybe it did not go through from my blackberry. Terry Reidy told me today that the city did contact JCPL when Jack first notified him. I guess Terry did not respond to Jack directly. Terry went right to the top at the utility and there was confirmation that workers actually went there. Terry thought it was taken care of and now because I contacted realizes that lights must still be out and will check back into what happened and if there is a larger problem besides just burnt out bulbs. I trust that Terry will take care of it. On another matter, Werner posted that graffiti was on the Grand Ave Bridge. I notified the Deputy Mayor who said he would notify the state since the bridge is theirs. I noticed that by Sat the graffiti was gone. I have been a critic of both these gentlemen in the past and I expect that I may criticize them in the future, but on these two issues, I give credit where credit is due. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Esperanza PH Sells $2.45M
From The Real Deal. I wonder who the purchaser is? I hope it is not Dean Geibel the developer - I heard he was taking a PH. Asbury Park condo sells for record $2.46M The Esperanza in Asbury Park, N.J. A penthouse unit at The Esperanza in Asbury Park, N.J., fetched $2.46 million, the most ever paid for a residence in the city's history. The 3,023-square-foot penthouse, comprising four bedrooms and three baths, is part of a two-tower luxury beachfront condominium along Asbury Park's waterfront. The unit will include a spacious balcony, a private indoor swimming pool, a fireplace and unobstructed ocean views. The Esperanza, designed by architect Dean Marchetto Associates, will have 224 luxury residences ranging from 545-square-foot studios to 3,000-square-foot four bedrooms, with prices starting in the low $400,000s. Amenities will include a members-only fitness center, a 24-hour concierge service, rooftop pool, 23 private cabanas and restaurants on the ground and fifth floor. The residential complex will also feature an Aqua Grotto spa and Jacuzzi designed by American Leisure, consultants and operators for the building's lifestyle facilities. The concept is being implemented in several luxury residential buildings throughout New York City, including The Setai at 40 Broad Street and The Visionaire in Battery Park City. The Esperanza is part of The Metro Homes Collection, which includes Trump Plaza Jersey City, Gull's Cove -- also in Jersey City -- and the 113-unit Metrostop condominium in Hoboken. TRD Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Comment on the Esperanza Sale
A comment left on the Real Deal. Very unlike the typical negative NJ comments on the APP anytime there is even a good AP story (see today's APP about BCH). My parents live in Allenhurst which is just north of Asbury. Allenhurst and Deal just north are extremely wealthy towns where ocean front houses have sold for over 20 million dollars, a house on about a third of an acre, but ocean front just sold for 5.5 million in Allenhurst. Forbes listed Deal as the 13th most expensive zip code in the country. To the south is Spring Lake also an extremely wealthy town. Asbury shares the same proximity to the beach and views, plus its only an hour from Manhattan. Why shouldn't it be able to turn itself aroun Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Square Lights
Nice job backing these guys up, keep up the good work! THANKS! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to notify Hinge of this but maybe it did not go through from my blackberry. Terry Reidy told me today that the city did contact JCPL when Jack first notified him. I guess Terry did not respond to Jack directly. Terry went right to the top at the utility and there was confirmation that workers actually went there. Terry thought it was taken care of and now because I contacted realizes that lights must still be out and will check back into what happened and if there is a larger problem besides just burnt out bulbs. I trust that Terry will take care of it. On another matter, Werner posted that graffiti was on the Grand Ave Bridge. I notified the Deputy Mayor who said he would notify the state since the bridge is theirs. I noticed that by Sat the graffiti was gone. I have been a critic of both these gentlemen in the past and I expect that I may criticize them in the future, but on these two issues, I give credit where credit is due. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Reminder: Little League field redevelopment
I support this cause and have donated; do you, have you? When I was 12 years old, my Great Aunt (70 years old at the time) would drag her aluminum lawn chair down to the Little League field every summer Thursday; certainly you have similar memories! Think Future. This is once chance to influence the future of Asbury Park, please consider the impact. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're almost there!! Dear Fellow Citizens: Many of you have followed the Little League field redevelopment efforts with interest. Some of you have taken an active roll in supporting this effort. Everyone wants to see this effort succeed. You do this because you believe in supporting our efforts to provide a safe fun environment for the kids of Asbury Park to learn and play baseball. We have good news concerning our renovation project! We are pleased to announce that the Asbury Park Little League will be receiving a grant from Interfaith Neighbors for the purchase and installation of the field lighting. The field lighting is part of the Interfaith Neighbors Asbury Park West Side Redevelopment Plan that encompasses not only the expansion of recreational programs and facilities, but also includes the construction of affordable housing on the West Side of Asbury Park. We are grateful for the partnership with Interfaith Neighbors and know that the field lighting will be great for the kids. That being said, we are still approximately $23,000 short of the $225,000 required to complete the project. As you may know, we have already finished the complete overhaul of the infield, installed new field fencing and safety netting, bought two new bleachers, and installed a brand new score board, flag pole and bullpen batting cage area. The last phase of the project is the purchase and installation of the field lighting and the construction of a field house that will have a large storage area, the 3rd base dug-out, as well as an announce's booth/meeting room. In addition to the field house, a dug-out will be built on the 1st base line. I know that you will take pride in this ball field when these structures are completed. We will have a first class baseball facility. I am making an urgent appeal to you to support this field renovation project.Please make a donation today to this important project. All of the necessary government approvals have been received so that we can start construction; all we need is your valued support so that we can finish the ball park. Please make a donation today either by visiting us online at http://eteamz.active.com/APLittleLeague or by sending it to: Asbury Park Little League PO Box 702 Asbury Park, NJ 07712 Remember, all donations are tax deductible as allowed by law. We thank you so very much for your support of this very important project for the kids of Asbury Park and remain, Sincerely yours, Danny McKee Danny McKee President Asbury Park Little League cell: 732 768 6860 Michael W. Brim 321 Sunset Ave. 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712 Cell: 732-996-8160 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
