from:"MarioAPNJ"

In a message dated 1/8/2009 8:55:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
anthonyg1...@optonline.net writes:

I will try to explain from my point of view...If it is offensive to someone,
Sorry,
it is not meant to beAs for whether there is a Gay Beach - let's call
it sales puffery.

Thanks Anthony. But no need to apologize to anyone.

None of the following are official names for beaches,
but all are useful for some people in choosing where to catch some rays, or
cool water when they're hot:

Guido Beach, Bimbo Beach, Benny Beach, Bikini Beach, Gay Beach, Shka-dole
Beach,
Nude Beach, Muscle Beach, Tar Beach, Surfer Beach, Fishing Beach, Urban
Beach, et al.

And Asbury Park sure could use some of the tourist money these (gay) beach
towns get: http://tinyurl.com/84kqwm

Beach Quotes, Where the Boys Are (1960) - Memorable quotes
http://tinyurl.com/89c4pm

Police Captain: Gentlemen, the city of Fort Lauderdale is once again under
fire from the north. We've survived it before and I reckon we're gonna survive
it againExpect anything. Anything and everything cause that's what
you're gonna get. Now, Fort Lauderdale is not the only city to be invaded at
this
timethe students of America are gathering to celebrate the rites of
springThey're citizens of our countryBut how the hell to handle them,
that's a different mannerAnd remember that they are our guestsAnd,
above
all preserve your sense of humor. Cause you're gonna need it if you want to
survive

[over police radio] Car 19... Student in pajamas directing trafficCar 9:
Student swimming in the nude at Silver BeachCar 7: Go to Paradise Hotel.
A live hammerhead shark has been placed in the pool.

Ryder Smith: Sophistication isn't a matter of where you come from or even
what your family does. It's the way you - the way you think, your outlook on
life, what you've experienced.

Dean Caldwell: Dr. Raunch tells me, when I spoke to her on the phone, she
suggested that you might be overly concerned with the problem of sex. Do you
think you are...?

Mr. Russell Lawrence: That's a man-hunter?

Moondoggie: Don't you find Kahuna to be a little on the lazy side?

Gidget: Oh boy, the bigger they are the dopier they come.

Announcer: [over the bus's Public Address system] Attention to our
gay...riders. This is the final stop in West Lahunga Beach. The next stop is
regular
Lahunga Beach. Depart now or stifle your creativity. FIY

===

Moondoggie, Gidget, Frankie, Annette, Connie: All Gone with the Wind.

So let's all dance the Swim: http://tinyurl.com/8xblua

http://www.sixtiescity.com/Culture/Images/DAN011.jpg

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Re: [AsburyPark] Homelessness and Homosexuality

In a message dated 1/9/2009 3:00:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
j...@educatingforjustice.org writes:

I think that people in the gay community in Asbury Park will find this story
particularly interesting-note the stat on the percentage
of homeless teens that are gay.

The one young man who is featured in the video seems a far cry from how some
in Asbury Park have characterized the homeless in the past (ex-cons,
pedophiles, rapists, murderers, and people with a history of violence who are
unwanted individuals).

Jim,

I joined SUFA not because I believed any of the characterizations you
mention above, but because of MSM's policies regarding any gay homeless men
who
might seek shelter from them or at the proposed JSRM.

JSRM claimed it would offer services to any homeless, but there were special
prerequisites for gays to reject their orientation and get special
counseling for their addiction. The research I did at that time indicated
that
Asbury Park, more than our neighboring towns, was likely to attract homeless
gay
teenagers seeking food and shelter, and I campaigned strongly against the
mission because of its insensitivity to the issues documented here

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20070307Seattle_Study_LGBT_
youth.pdf,

here http://tinyurl.com/84byuq ,

and here http://tinyurl.com/88yny7 .

(E.g.: Three former 'ex-gay' leaders were scheduled to make public
apologies Wednesday in Los Angeles for the harm their ministries caused gays
and
lesbians, and will call for those still involved in ex-gay therapy to
acknowledge
their part. Those ministries now avoid the term ex-gay. They prefer to
say they are ministering to people struggling with same-sex attraction. )

Such uncredentialed ministries don't alleviate suicides; they aggravate
them, especially among teenagers.

Back in early 2007, the following letter to you (not written by me) was made
public as the letter writer noted.

As far as I know, you did not respond to this letter, and JSRM's supporters
never concretely refuted David's Scott's position on the matter. And so I
intensified my efforts to support SUFA with research and money.

===

Excerpts from that letter:

Mr. Keady-
Before answering my questions know that this letter has gone to you and the
Asbury Park GLH
website.I just want to be fair. I have read your email on the Asbury Park
GLH site.
I want to know why you do, in fact, support a mission that stands for
treating Homosexuality as a disease
and yet will discriminate against those very people they feel are
diseased?Why you also feel it is propper
for the mission to be located so close to schools?...And last but not least
how you support a business that will council addiction when they don't have
a license to do so.? Please let myself and everyone else know why you
support the
Market Street MissionJust tell us what you like and don't like.Support
and don't supportThe Ball is in your court my good man.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Homelessness and Homosexuality

In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:21:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marioa...@aol.com writes:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20070307Seattle_Study_LGBT_
youth.pdf,


That link doesn't work.  It's the most comprehensive study I know of  
concerning the issue
 
Try  _http://tinyurl.com/8kvf6x_ (http://tinyurl.com/8kvf6x) 
 
or
 
_http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/HomelessYouth.pdf_ 
(http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/HomelessYouth.pdf) 
 
The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force [with The National Coalition for  
the Homeless]
would like to thank the Johnson Family Foundation for its generous support,  
which enabled the printing and
distribution of this publication, as well as  its commitment to ensuring that 
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender homeless  youth nationwide have access 
to the services they need in a safe, secure and  nurturing environment.
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homelessness and Homosexuality

All the information has been sent by private email.
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:54:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
j...@educatingforjustice.org writes:

I never  received the letter you quoted from below.  
Can you: 
1. Send me  the full copy? 
2. Let me know where it was published publicly?
3. Let  me know who wrote it?  
4. Let me know the date it was sent?   
I am unsure what letter the author is responding to and I know that I  
never personally posted any letter on the AP-GLH website (I assume  
he/she meant the listserve).  I am neither gay, nor was I a homeowner  
in AP, so I was not allowed access to that listserve.  I kept fairly  
detailed records of all emails and letters that were sent to me by  
constituents.  I just went through these records and I could not find  
the letter/email in question.  Given these, I think you can see why I  
never responded.  If you can send along the info above, I will do my  
best to address this matter as a matter of public record. 
 
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[AsburyPark] Find a New Business Plan before You Vanish

 
An overview of the newspaper vs. the web issue recently discussed  here
from  the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School for  Business.
 
Specifies the problem(s) and offers possible models for the  future. 
 
Worth a full read for those of you in the business of  publishing, for those 
of us consuming information, and for those of us  willing to pay for 
professional journalism.   Athttp://tinyurl.com/9bl6fz 

 
Oversimplified excerpts below:
 
==
 
January 7, 2009:  Urgent Deadline for Newspapers: Find a New Business  Plan 
before You Vanish
 
 
The problem, from a business point of view, is that few of today's eager,  
fickle readers are willing to pay for their online news
 
 
So how can a professional, reliable news product turn a profit for its  
investors? Wharton's media-watchers offer a few ideas:
 
*   The Philanthropic Route:...Re fears that a decline in serious 
reporting  about public affairs will harm our democracy  
*   *   The Niche Route: Forget Capitol Hill. Forget the State House. 
Maybe even  forget City HallOne key to success is to provide news and 
information for  the most local of levels. I'm talking block-to-block, citing 
localized  web presences that have proved successful in Europe and Latin 
America  
*   *   The Pay Route: Subscriber strategies aren't always doomed. 
Companies from  Dow Jones, which publishes the Wall Street Journal, to any 
number of  small trade magazines that offer highly specialized information to 
affluent  subscribers manage to keep content behind a for-pay 
firewall...defying 
the  conventional wisdomThe key is a degree of specialization, whether by  
locality orrelease partial information or certain stories...as a way to  
get traction and then drive people towards the web site, which could be a pay  
model. It's a classic, we're going to give some stuff away for free  model. 
Pay satellite radio has flourished despite the availability of  free AM and FM 
radio and the ubiquity of iPods.  
*   *   The Participation Route: One way the Internet differs most 
dramatically  from print is readers' expectations of being able to interact 
with 
one  anotherBut this contrasts with the traditional newspaper idea that  
content, even content that is labeled opinion, is produced by professionals  
with specific training and standardsnews companies are going to have  
to...transition to an online existenceWhatever gives him or her a chance  
to 
say something, to have an opinion, even if 90% of it is self-serving, it  
works.  
*   *   The Commercial Route:...Survival online will require 
rethinking basic  values about things like bias, opinion and, especially,  
advertising
 
 
The harshest critics of newspaper firms have compared them to the railroads  
of a half-century ago--unable to cater to customer desires, even as  
technological change threatened to wipe them out. A more charitable comparison  
might 
be to the music business, which saw its profits dissolve in the face of  free 
downloading 
Of course, there's another parallel: The music business, criticized for  
bland, generic acts, was flawed in ways that left customers broadly  
unsympathetic 
to its plight, just as daily broadsheets, after two decades of  cuts and 
Britney Spears coverage, have lost much of their claim to nobility. The  
question 
is whether there's a model that can revive the good pieces--the  investment in 
people who consider it a professional duty to spread the word  about 
everything from local traffic disruptions to national political  
chicanery--while 
giving customers the whole world of options they now  expect. 
Either way...some newspapers will remain--as boutique products for a niche  
market willing to pay a premium for the charmingly old-fashioned idea of a  
hand-delivered piece of paper printed with news stories.
== 
[TRT's  and the Coaster's sites seem to be a hybrid, nudging  visitors to buy 
or subscribe to the print editions.]
 
_Urgent  Deadline for Newspapers: Find a New Business Plan before You Vanish 
- Knowledge  @ Wharton_ 
(http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=2130#)  
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Find a New Business Plan before You Vanish

In a message dated 1/8/2009 9:18:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
oakd...@yahoo.com writes:

--- In  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote:An overview of the 
newspaper  vs. the web issue recently discussed  
here  from  the  University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School for   Business.


parts must be dated because this comment isn't true any  longer...

Pay satellite radio has flourished despite  the availability of free 
AM and FM radio and the ubiquity of  iPods.
 
The article was published yesterday, but I, too, wondered about pay  radio.  
Never bought into it myself, and it looks like Howard Stern may be  sorry he 
made the switch._http://tinyurl.com/a457d9_ (http://tinyurl.com/a457d9) 
 
But in the same article  is this:  Even though Sirius XM is one  of the very 
few media companies whose revenue and number of subscribers are  growing these 
days, a dime and a nickel will get you a share of the company's  stock (with 
some change left over).   [52 week change =   minus 95 %]
 
I guess Wharton is referring to the public's continuing appetite for pay  
services, not whether an individual company has made wise decisions.
 
I always opted for at least one premium TV and one On Demand package; then  
added NetFlix early on, 3 at a time for approx $18/month.  Then, oddly, was  
able to get unlimited On Demand from Netflix by adding the Roku gizmo  for less 
money, $9/month (less than the price of admission at most  theaters). 
Now Roku offers Amazon's OD with more companies to follow
 
So some media companies with smartz have been able to thrive in a fast  
changing technology environment.  As a media consumer, I knew Netflix would  
thrive 
when I saw the 60 minutes segment in 2006.   _http://tinyurl.com/2ch4ve_ 
(http://tinyurl.com/2ch4ve) 
 
Back then he was already gearing up for streaming directly to TV, not  PCs.  
But what impressed me most was his understanding that customer  service was 
paramount.  NetFlix stopped hiding their contact numbers and  went to 24/7/365 
live phone reps.  Amazon has a similar system with almost  immediate call backs 
when you submit your phone number online.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Find a New Business Plan before You Vanish

In a message dated 1/8/2009 9:32:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hing...@yahoo.com writes:

Amazingly, vinyl records sales are up more then 80% this  years.
Why?
Nostalgia factor, plus new generations are discovering that  it's nice to 
hold an album in 
your hands, and cover art is being  rediscovered. Plus, vinyl is now cheaper.
I think it's time for me to get a  new record player. I miss vinyl. It still 
sounds better then  
CDs.
 
Couple of great cover art books out there.  My favorite 
http://tinyurl.com/7e5t7z
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] speaking of gayness...

In a message dated 1/8/2009 7:29:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabrielleo...@yahoo.com writes:

The  other night on the bike at the gym I was flipping channels and stumbled 
on  some talk showThere was
a woman being interviewed who was claiming that  one of the decision makers 
at the DSM...She was claiming that cases of  homosexuality have been cured 
through therapy.
 
==
 
DMS  Reparative Therapy:
 
1. American Medical Association:  _http://tinyurl.com/6v9vt6_ 
(http://tinyurl.com/6v9vt6) 
 

2. American Psychiatric Association: American Psychiatric Association  
Statement 
 
_http://archive.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/21.pdf_ 
(http://archive.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/21.pdf) 
 

3. American Psychological Association: American Psychological  Association 
Statement 
 
_http://tinyurl.com/9q4gg9_ (http://tinyurl.com/9q4gg9) 
 

4. American Psychoanalytic Association Reparative Therapy 
 
_http://tinyurl.com/7r4trz_ (http://tinyurl.com/7r4trz) 
 

5. The American Academy of Pediatrics  _http://tinyurl.com/a7qm96_ 
(http://tinyurl.com/a7qm96) 
 

 
 
6. PFLAG: Parents, Families,  Friends of Lesbians and Gays 
 
_http://tinyurl.com/7ptspu_ (http://tinyurl.com/7ptspu) 
 
=== 
 
From: _http://www.fallwell.com/index2.html_ 
(http://www.fallwell.com/index2.html) _http://tinyurl.com/9o3uug_ 
(http://tinyurl.com/9o3uug) 
 

1. Bible verses not taken literally _http://tinyurl.com/klkkh_ 
(http://tinyurl.com/klkkh) 
 
 
 
2. Proof that fundamentalists selectively quote the Bible 
 
   _http://tinyurl.com/m246w_ (http://tinyurl.com/m246w) 
 

3. Does the Bible really call gay and lesbian people immoral? 
 
   _http://tinyurl.com/9bmke4_ (http://tinyurl.com/9bmke4) 
 
 
 
4. What would Jesus do about Jerry Falwell? 
 
   _http://tinyurl.com/8tst6c_ (http://tinyurl.com/8tst6c) 
 
 
 

5. The truth about interpreting the Bible_http://tinyurl.com/8kjgvz_ 
(http://tinyurl.com/8kjgvz) 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Flixster ???

2009-01-07 Thread MarioAPNJ

Anyone else here getting invitations from flixster using name(s) from this  
group?
 
I was suspicious, did a quick check, and I think it's one of those sites  
that commandeers a person's address book and sends viral emails.
 
I block all such domains, but I've noticed an up tick in new ones  lately.
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront land = Valuable

2009-01-05 Thread MarioAPNJ

In a message dated 1/5/2009 12:58:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
oakd...@yahoo.com writes:

Sitt  family owns the former classic LM 
diner site on the AP Circle as  well. 
 

 
Another parcel of land that seems to be jinxed.

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[AsburyPark] AP Office Corridor?

2009-01-05 Thread MarioAPNJ

At one point, I thought the ideas being floated about an office corridor on  
Cookman close-by sounded pretty.
 
Since we are not a major city, does the following make AP more or less  
viable?
 
==
 
Vacancy rates in office buildings exceed 10 percent in virtually every  
major city in the country and are rising rapidly, a sign of economic distress  
that could lead to yet another wave of problems for troubled lenders
 
 
  continued at  
_As  Vacant Office Space Grows, So Does the Crisis for Lenders - NYTimes.com_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/business/05real.html?_r=1pagewanted=all)  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] AP Office Corridor?

2009-01-05 Thread MarioAPNJ

For got to proofread
 
At one point, I thought the ideas being floated about an  office corridor on  
Cookman Ave. or close-by sounded pretty  good.



In a message dated 1/5/2009 2:58:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marioa...@aol.com writes:

At one  point, I thought the ideas being floated about an office corridor on  
 
Cookman close-by sounded pretty.

Since we are not a major city,  does the following make AP more or less   
viable?

==

Vacancy  rates in office buildings exceed 10 percent in virtually every  
major  city in the country and are rising rapidly, a sign of economic 
distress   
that could lead to yet another wave of problems for troubled  lenders


  continued at   
_As  Vacant Office Space Grows, So Does the Crisis for Lenders -  
NYTimes.com_  
(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/business/05real.html?_r=1pagewanted=all)  
 





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Re: [AsburyPark] Ads...papers etc...

2009-01-04 Thread MarioAPNJ

Another amazing web phenomenon:  $6,200,000 donated to a free,  non-profit, 
no-ad site:
 
From  http://tinyurl.com/aykfzg
 
With the help of over 125,000 donors from around the world, the Wikimedia  
Foundation raised a total of $6.2 million, sustaining Wikipedia for the  
foreseeable future. The money will be used to maintain and grow the 
foundation's  
technical infrastructure.
 
This campaign has proven that Wikipedia matters to its users, and that our  
users strongly support our mission: to bring free knowledge to the planet, 
free  of charge and free of advertising, Jimmy Wales...wrote in a thank you 
letter  
The Wikimedia Foundation was behind in its total contributions in late  
December, but Wales published a personal  appeal on the foundation's site to 
increase funding. In the  eight days trailing that message, more than 50,000 
contributions flooded in,  totaling $2 million and closing the gap toward the 
goal.
_Wikimedia  Foundation raises $6.2 million for Wikipedia | Webware - CNET_ 
(http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10130383-2.html)  
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 5:13:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marioa...@aol.com writes:
 
In a  message dated 1/3/2009 2:40:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
oakd...@yahoo.com writes:

And of  course the net is great for  PR, controversy  etc.
---
DanS  posted a YouTube link this morning at 10:13:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiXy55OHyY

YouTube - Uncle Jay  Explains: Year-end! 12-22-08 
When I checked it out, the video had  3,245,444  views.
At this moment it now has  3,622,389  views.
AN additional 376,945 hits in about 7 hours!
At the end of the  video, Uncle Jay gives a link to his site where he  
claims to help  Small Minds to Understand Big News. 
And there, from a clever witty man  with an avuncular face, you  can buy his 
CD.
Now that's  marketing!  

_YouTube - Uncle Jay  Explains: Year-end!  12-22-08_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiXy55OHyY)   



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[AsburyPark] Plugging Plogs ( Mazel tov, Evelyn! )

2009-01-04 Thread MarioAPNJ

In 2004, linguistlist.org  was asked What is a Plog? and Did Amazon  
invent this word?

from http://tinyurl.com/9ud3eb

Date:  Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:01:48 EDT
Reply-To: American Dialect Society 
Subject:   Plog (Amazon's personalized  blog)

Did Amazon invent this word?

[1]  (AMAZON.COM)The PlogService provides a personalized blog for each 
Amazon.com  customer. 

(TRADEMARKS)   Word  Mark PLOG  
Goods and Services  IC 038. US  100 101 104. G  S: DELIVERY OF MESSAGES BY 
ELECTRONIC
Mark Drawing  Code   (1) TYPED DRAWING   
Serial Number78201834,Filing Date January 9, 2003 
Published for  OppositionJune 1, 2004 
Owner   (APPLICANT) Amazon.com, Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE P. O.  Box 81226 
Seattle WASHINGTON 981081226,  Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
RegisterPRINCIPAL,   Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

[2](GOOGLE GROUPS)
Re: OT - Some credit to republicans ... ll call, a plog of  his daily 
activities. Plog = Blog + politics. A
live web cam in his/her  office. Sort of like Cspan, 24/7. And ... 
alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers -  Dec 29, 2002 by Michael-NC 

From Welcome to the IT Jargon  Acronyms resource center !
http://tinyurl.com/7xm52c 
This section contains an explanation of new acronyms and terminology, very  
often created by analysts and vendors to give you the impression that there is 
a  new and interesting development. 

Plog - A plog is 1. A Web-based tool used by colleagues to keep tabs  on 
group projects. 2. An Amazon trademark, which will presumably be used to sell  
more books.

Plog: The Virtues of Chitchat -  Making I.T. Work - Michael Schrage - 
codirector of the MIT Media Lab's eMarkets  Initiative - says internal Web 
logs, or 
plogs (project logs), could be the  best thing to happen to project 
management. But nothing is perfect... 
And from the   BlogOh!Pedia Chapeau Blog  Awards:  A plog is a blog that 
combines polling, politics and  blogging. Plogging is engaging in all three 
activities in one blog  site.Coined by  VoteAmerica.com 
http://tinyurl.com/5cmgnt 
And then there's Evelyn Plog who is one of the lucky ones who found true 
love not once, but  twiceShe found her second chance at love  husband 
Johnny, 
3 years ago, through an online dating site.  (NBC2  News Online - Spike in 
Internet dating )
Mazel tov, Evelyn! 

I wondered what to call such information: 
Inquiring Minds Log, =  IMLog; or  
Curiouser and Curiouser Log = CCLog or 2CLog:  Both got  Thumbs-Down from my 
private emailers. 
Follow-Up Log =  FULog  or  FLog:  My private  emailers really liked this 
one. 
I'll check with my word coinage attorney. 
;-)  

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Plugging Plogs ( Mazel tov, Evelyn! )

2009-01-04 Thread MarioAPNJ

In a message dated 1/4/2009 8:57:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

Out of  2,150,000 hits on Google, it comes up on the first  page:
http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/nj_plog_shuns_web_and_thrives.php
Thanks  for the recognition, Columbia School of Journalism
 

 
My Flog was about the coinage or invention of the term plog.  
 
It comes up here Columbia School of Journalism plog - Google  Search   or   
http://tinyurl.com/86tn3b  

only twice just repeating your own claim to coinage with the  misleading 
implication of an imprimatur from that school of  journalism.

 
Your link to The Kicker, a blogger, at Columbia Journalism Review is  fine.
She simply repeats the NYT story about DJ's email to Carr.
Congrats to TCN and DJ for the publicity.
 
BTW: the UPDATE  and hyperlink to Mark Potts which are now  part of her blog 
argue forcefully against the idea of print media shunning the  web.
But that debate is also of no concern to me.  Let the marketplace  decide.
 

Here, in full deja vu, is what your link brings up:

 
The Kicker — December 22, 2008 09:18 AM  
 

NJ “Plog” “Shuns Web, And Thrives”
By Liz Cox Barrett 
 
The TriCityNews, an Asbury Park, NJ alt weekly with a print run of  10,000, “
is prospering precisely because it ignores the Web,” reports David Carr in 
today’s New York Times.  
“Why would I put anything on the Web?” asked Dan Jacobson, the  publisher 
and owners of the newspaper. “I don’t understand how putting content  on the 
Web would do anything but help destroy our paper. Why should we give  our 
readers any incentive whatsoever to not look at our content along with our  
advertisements, a large number of which are beautiful and cheap full-page  ads?”
A “‘plog’, a blog on paper” is how Jacobson describes his paper, which  
employs three full-time staffers and a part-timer . “A little ray of light” in  
the media beat is how Carr describes the story of the TriStateNews, which  is “
double-digit profitable, and has been growing at a clip of about 10 percent  
a year since it was founded in 1999.” 
A real made-for-David-Carr’s-column story (which didn’t escape the 
publisher,  who emailed the TriCityNews’s good news to Carr).  
UPDATE: Carr’s headline should be the much less  striking: “Local Newspaper 
Shuns Non-Local Information And Thrives,” argues (more or less) Recovering 
Journalist Mark Potts.  “Contrary to what Carr and Jacobson believe, the secret 
to the  TriCityNews’ success probably isn’t that it fiercely eschews the Web.  
It’s that it’s fiercely local.” Way to dim Carr’s little “ray of light.”  
_http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/nj_plog_shuns_web_and_thrives.php_ 
(http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/nj_plog_shuns_web_and_thrives.php)  
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[AsburyPark] TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not the Center of TCN???)

In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:25:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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Jan. 1  issue of triCityNews is mainly all about the WEB coverage of the NYT  
 print and WEB article Newspaper Shuns Web:
Half the cover page; every  word of the publisher's message, p. 6 and  
spilling over to cover every  inch of space on pp. 46--47, including mail, and  
trailing off finally on  page 56.  Hyper-Boosterish, to modify Carr's  word.

More  coverage than any other issue in the paper, including the upcoming  
city  
council elections.
 

 
DJ to the NYT: We want people to think of Asbury Park as the center of the  
universe.
 
Not a word this week about any of these Asbury Park stories, all covered in  
the Coaster this week:
 
AP artist Sternesky whose work will be displayed in Eatontown, p. 2
 
AP train station purchased by Visiting Nurses, p. 7
 
AP's Artscap winners of Imagine Asbury Park street banner contest  
announced, p. 17
 
AP BOE hosting meeting regarding a new uperintendent, p. 19
 
AP Chamber of Commerce's record membership and new full-time director, p.  18
 
AP's Golden Age of R 'n' B event, p. 27
 
AP's First Satrurday with Frosty the Snowman, p. 5
 
AP's Chief Kinmon reports decrease in violent crime, p. 1
 
AP's Interfaith Neighbors is in need of additional funding.
 
AP's firefighters' Christmas Dinner, p. 1
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[AsburyPark] Support our Asbury Park advertisers (See where can you find them in print.)

In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:25:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marioa...@aol.com writes:

This  Fifteen Minutes of 'Dew' Fame could not have been possible  without  
DJ's WEB email to c...@nytimes.com, the NYT's presence on the  WEB  and other 
news outlets and the media bloggers who picked up the   story from...the WEB.

So sorry to notice how few of the advertisers are  by Asbury Park  retailers.
 
===
 
Asbury Park's retailer ads in this week's Coaster:
 
Moonstruck, Langosta Lounge, Rick's Auto Body, Watermark,
 
Coastal NJ Fence (100% female owned),  Asbury Park Pediatrics,
 
The Hardware Store, First Saturday, Mattison Park, Restaurant Plan B
 
Laila's, Frank's Deli, Home Drug Store, Main Liquors, Rimpee's,
 
S.S. The Spot, Sir Jean's, et al.
 
===
 
In TCN:  Etc., APBoardwalk.com, Community Bank of AP, First Saturday,  
Paradise, Mattison Park, ShelterHome, Twisted Tree, Revision Theater.
 
=
 
NYT:   Why should we give our readers any incentive  whatsoever to not look 
at our content along with our advertisements, a large  number of which are 
beautiful and cheap full-page ads?...Mr. Jacobson has built  a reliable cadre 
of 
advertisers who call for ads, sign up for full pages, and  pay in advance. 
There are no people working for sales commissionsThe low  cost of entry on 
the advertising side means that almost anyone--a bar, a  retailer, a gym--can 
afford a full-page ad, and the preponderance of them leads  to an 
elegant-looking productI don't want anything that detracts from the  paper 
and the 
presence of those big, beautiful full-page ads.
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not ...

In a message dated 1/3/2009 9:16:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

Replying to your own posts Mario?
Your TCN envy is palpable.

===

I'll ignore the silly non-sequitur envy comment because I've nothing to
gain or lose.

I'm a disinterested, not uninterested, party trying to make sense of it all.
Inquiring minds want to know. ;-)

Replying to my own posts? Yep, as in following up. I try to avoid cliches
(like the plague lol), but in this case, the devil IS in the details.

Looks like even Art Gallagher doesn't look for the devil in the details,
which is why I wanted to follow up:

From http://tinyurl.com/7zugk5

There are two weekly newspapers in Monmouth County that are owned by former
state legislators

The Tri-City News on the other hand seems to have found a way to make money
publishing a weekly paper

[Note the dropping of newspaper to paper].

Publisher Dan Jacobson will not publish any content on the Internet. He's
all about the paper and its advertisers

Not only has the Tri-City News been able to make money, it has amazing
power and influence. If you don't believe me just read it. Dan will tell you
how
powerful the paper is in every issue.

_MoreMonmouthMusings: Two Monmouth Weeklies: One thrives while the other
dives_
(http://moremonmouthmusings.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-monmouth-weeklies-one-thrives-while.html)

A few years back, I would have said Hear! Hear! to the power and
influence comment. And when I found some great cheerleading for Asbury Park,
I
wanted to forward it to my out-of-town friends, but I couldn't because it
wasn't
on the web. I have generally been able to do so with the Coaster.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not ...

I too like DJ and wish him success.  Consider my comments as gentle  noodging.
 
My take on the financial pressure being felt by print media is that  those 
readers who used to buy a paper for want-ads, classifieds, tv schedules,  
lottery numbers, sports scores, et al. have gone to more immediate sources or  
lists 
like Craig's which are free.  I'm guessing that a huge chunk of  that 
readership weren't really print news consumers.
 
I'm also guessing that there is a narrower audience out there which is  still 
interested in news and analysis by professional journalists both in print  
and online.  I'm willing to pay for both.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 9:38:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dfsav...@yahoo.com writes:

Thanks  Mario for being specific in your illustration. We all wish DJ
and TCN luck,  but it ain't a newspaper and the NYT story was
misleading. I have thought  often about the relationship between the
web and print and whether  publishers should make the print available
on the web for free. Some do and  some don't. I pay for some and not
(refuse) for others.

But I  suspect that print may be in the same position of buggy whip
manufacturers.  All of this could have been the substance of the NYT
story rather than the  misleading success story of our local  Pennysaver.

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Re: [AsburyPark] The Year in Review

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dfsav...@yahoo.com writes:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiXy55OHyY_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiXy55OHyY) 
 
=
 
Uncle Jay got 3,245,444 view hits on the aboce link.
 
How many for TCN's Jay's (Jason's) 2008 Year in Review (all  about stickers 
on street signs!) on p. 26?
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not ...

In a message dated 1/3/2009 11:37:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

--- In  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@...  wrote:
Sciannameo AND air AND zeckendorf  and DO NOT omit  results. You will see the 
story in other languages.
The mere repetition of  that story by others does not add one iota of
truth to the original  story.

Difference being they aren't just repeating the story - they are  
debating, and even extending it with all the interview requests for  Dan.
 
===
 
That's what we have been doing, debating and extending it, but I don't see  
any overwhelming  evidence, as you claim, that that's what's happening at  all 
the web hits on the story.  I see viral repeats of quotes  from Carr's 
original story.
 
Can you provide any links to those sites which agree with your  cutting 
edge theory?
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not ...

In a message dated 1/3/2009 11:37:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

I've  received a few emails from people asking me why those on this 
board have  such a hostility toward TCN and seem determined to rain on a 
very sunny  day for the paper.
Good neighbors usually revel in one another's  success.
Another theme was that the detractors on this board seem to be  outside 
of what other folks around the triCity region are saying about the  
story.
That of course came as no surprise.
 

 
 
What comes as no surprise is that
 
you've managed to twist the debate and/or disagreement about
1) the impact of the story,
2) the issue of web vs. no web content, and
3) the difference between a newspaper and an ad paper
 
into an issue of detractors and hostility toward DJ.And you've even  
introduced the term envy.
 
Those of us who have participated in the discussion here have all  expressed 
a liking for DJ and avoided any ad hominem personalizing.  
 
Regarding those few emails you've received.  Invite the senders to  
participate here.  If not, can you paste and copy (after removing  identifying 
info) 
for us so we can understand exactly how they've come to  misinterpret our 
discussions?
 
Best Wishes to DJ and TCN do not preclude our discussing this tempest in a  
web teapot.
 
;-)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not ...

In a message dated 1/3/2009 1:59:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

You can  be certain if any other AP buiness got such broad attention, the TCN 
and  myself would promote it endlessly (boosteish).
 
Fact:  I was the first to promot the news here about the NYT's  coverage: 
message 43737http://tinyurl.com/78b8mo
 
Quite boosterish of me.  After all [I'm] here to help.;-)
 
=
 
 justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

That it  just got coverage in the NYT and the Columbia School of 
Journalism no  doubt burns you up. 
 

 
Fact:  I can't be burned up because nothing turns up any coverage at  the 
Columbia School of Journalism.  What does come up are dittoe hits  with your 
own 
sentence from your own blog: I take pride that this  week the Columbia School 
of Journalism picked up on triCityNews being a “plog,”  — a word I invented. 
 
 
You're entitled to self-promotion but it's not quite viral yet:
 
8 hits here   http://tinyurl.com/9lbtdt
 
9 hits here  http://tinyurl.com/8afuhx
 
3 hits here   http://tinyurl.com/8v8k67
 
When you get to guest lecture at Columbia, reserve a seat for  me.   ;-)
==
 
 
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:
 
marioa...@... wrote:  Can you provide any links to  those sites which agree 
with 
your  cutting edge  theory?

Oxymoronic.  If there were wide understanding of it, it  would no longer be 
cutting edge.
 

=
 
Fact: I asked for sites which, as you claimed, agreed with  you, that is 
touting your theory that staying off the web is cutting  edge;
I didn't ask if there was a wide understanding of it.  Lots of cutting  edge 
stuff out there which millions jumped on, even without wide understanding,  
like facebook and now new to me Linked in.
 
Double check the definitions of oxymoron and cutting edge.
 
===
 
 justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

It's my  theory, the plog, which is exactly why you don't like itno 
doubt burns  you up.  It flies in the face of your 
stalkerish attempts to minimize  over there yearsYour jelously has kicked 
of this latest (in a long line)  of poor 
analyzing and complaining by you.Like an addict, you can't control  it...I'll 
let you off the hookI know it's important to  you.
 
===

 
Sophomoric personalizing, Victimization Redux,  and Deja vu all over again. 
[sic]
 
==
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 2:04:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:
 
You can  have the last word. 


 
===
 
Good.  
 
'Cause I have to go watch for either the Nine Ladies Dancing  or the Ten 
Lords-a-Leaping at First Night; not sure what today's schedule is,  but I did 
miss 
the Eight Maids-a-Milking this week.  Swans   Ducks-a-Swimming I can always 
see in my neighborhood.
 
Much better than watching my words and intent get twisted and  continue 
Whack-a-Mole this early in 2009.
 
 
 
 


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[AsburyPark] Linkedin Help

Dave,
 
I joined, but have to examine how best to use it.  Other than  networking for 
business people, realtors, landlords, tenants, etc., what are you  hoping to 
see happen there regarding AP?
 
Social networking doesn't seem to be a primary purpose.  If I wanted  to 
expand my dabbling in tutoring and mentoring, is it the best venue in your  
opnion?
 
 
 
 
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---come  ontd, try linkedin.com

I avoided it, til I started looking at economy  and was curious where 
some my ex corporate bosses were and  others.

It's another way of self-promotion - or networking for older  folks. 

There's even attorneys from our area on linkedin, a city  manager or two 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Ads...papers etc...

In a message dated 1/3/2009 2:40:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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And of  course the net is great for PR, controversy etc.
 
DanS posted a YouTube link this morning at 10:13:   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiXy55OHyY
 
YouTube - Uncle Jay Explains: Year-end! 12-22-08 
 
When I checked it out, the video had 3,245,444  views.
 
At this moment it now has  3,622,389 views.
 
AN additional 376,945 hits in about 7 hours!
 
At the end of the video, Uncle Jay gives a link to his site where he  
claims to help Small Minds to Understand Big News. 
 
And there, from a clever witty man with an avuncular face, you  can buy his 
CD.
 
Now that's marketing!  
 
 
_YouTube - Uncle Jay  Explains: Year-end! 12-22-08_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiXy55OHyY)  
 
 
 
 

 
 
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[AsburyPark] Wreckage on The Orient Express

2009-01-02 Thread MarioAPNJ

Those familiar with the film or novel Murder on the Orient Express  will 
appreciate the shorthand answer below.
 
===
 
JB: A lot of people have come up to me and asked--and they  probably ask all 
of you guys--how in the world did this happen? Sort of the  who's to blame 
question, you know, the Wall Street financiers and the  regulators, and maybe 
journalists who might have blown the whistle or talked  about this earlier, or 
people who bought homes that they maybe couldn't afford,  how do you answer 
that one?  
SP: Well, it's a complicated answer. It's like the Orient Express. 
Everybody did it. And there's no question that
http://tinyurl.com/7xy9fg
 
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January 1, 2009 |  PBS_ 
(http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june09/econreview_01-01.html)  
 
 
Jim Ellis, assistant managing editor of BusinessWeek magazine; 
Chrystia Freeland, U.S. managing editor of the Financial Times;  
Steven Pearlstein, financial columnist for the Washington post; and  
Greg Ip, U.S. economics editor for the Economist magazine.
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....

2009-01-02 Thread MarioAPNJ

Try not to interpret any one post or subject thread as  someone's overall 
world-view.
 
It is a human tendency to comment more often when Man bites dog instead  of 
Dog bites man,
but I do take heart that, in the long run, our checks and balances do  work,
especially when the Fourth Estate is thrown in the mix.
 
My personal preference, rather than any super heroes or new-age meditation,  
are the age-old classics whose time-tested wisdom always manages  to survive 
and resurface in tough times.
 
And I like writers who pose questions rather than pose.  Like Nancy  Gibbs:
 
Have these last months left us humbled or hardened, bitter at all we think  
we have lost,
or grateful for what we once took for granted?
 
I'll jump on grateful as an antidepressant.   ;-)
 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 9:05:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabrielleo...@yahoo.com writes:

wow you  guys are depressing. i think you need to lay off the bad news
for a while,  or jump on some anti depressants. 

whenever I get depressed, I think up  superheroes. or do some mantra
meditation. simply repeat something like  healing, love and light or
thank you over and over. Love, Jesus,  healing, gratitude. Ya know,
anything positive.

I am well aware of  the ugliness that lurks in our government. It has
nothing to do with  American government, it has to do with human
beings.
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Irony Boosterism: triCityNews IS on the Web

2009-01-02 Thread MarioAPNJ

Situational irony...
 
Jan. 1 issue of triCityNews is mainly all about the WEB coverage of the NYT  
print and WEB article Newspaper Shuns Web:
 
Half the cover page; every word of the publisher's message, p. 6 and  
spilling over to cover every inch of space on pp. 46--47, including mail, and  
trailing off finally on page 56.  Hyper-Boosterish, to modify Carr's  word.
 
More coverage than any other issue in the paper, including the upcoming  city 
council elections.
 
The irony?
 
This Fifteen Minutes of 'Dew' Fame could not have been possible  without 
DJ's WEB email to c...@nytimes.com, the NYT's presence on the  WEB and other 
news outlets and the media bloggers who picked up the  story from...the WEB.
 
So sorry to notice how few of the advertisers are by Asbury Park  retailers.
 
Happy to see, buried way deep on page 22, TCN's suggestion that Amy Quinn  
apply for the empty slot on the city council.
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....

2009-01-01 Thread MarioAPNJ

Be careful about doing anything about it.
 
You might be Connellizedhttp://tinyurl.com/6vdjud 
 
formerly known as Wellstoned:   http://tinyurl.com/7xrrro 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2009 6:46:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jerseyshorej...@earthlink.net writes:

What  would you have me do  about it?

On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:16 PM,  Gabrielle Obre wrote:

so what are you gonna do about  it?
In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore  John
jerseyshorej...@... wrote:

Unless it's stolen.

On  Dec 30, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote:

its not thanks to Bush.  Its thanks to We the  People.


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fess up..Which One of You Was It ;-)

2009-01-01 Thread MarioAPNJ

Must be.  Jokes are customary in anticipation of Twelfth Night.
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2009 6:39:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jerseyshorej...@earthlink.net writes:

Cutting  edge? You're joking.

On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:52 PM, justifiedright  wrote:

 Not only is triCityNews a newspaper, it's an advanced form  of one.
 Cutting edge.  ...


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full of Home Buyers?

In a message dated 12/30/2008 7:32:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabrielleo...@yahoo.com writes:

I seem  to remember something about people living longer in cities,
like NY. The  older people there, because they saw others in their
community daily, lived  healthier lives. They didn't need to drive places. 
 
==
 
This article from way back has remained with me as a frame of  reference and 
food for thought:  http://tinyurl.com/7qludv
 
Mrs. Markson is one of a growing number of retirees who are bucking  
decades-old migration patterns by actually moving [back] to New York for its  
quality 
of life. 
 
Older and sicker than when they left, and often widowed, they have  returned 
to be closer to family and for the services that they say are more  plentiful 
and accessible than in Miami Beach, Tucson, Ariz., and other  retirement 
cities. 
 
In New York, for instance, Mrs. Markson has a supermarket, a pharmacy and  a 
health club, where she huffs away on a treadmill, just outside her door at  
Manhattan Plaza. Her doctor is a quick taxicab ride away. The theater, the  
ethnic richness and the pulse of the city pick up her spirits.
 
 
http://tinyurl.com/7qludv (http://tinyurl.com/8tmupe) 
 
 
_For  Its Ease and Excitement, Retirees Return to New York - New York Times_ 
(http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE0DC103DF930A1575BC0A965958
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Re: [AsburyPark] Fess up..Which One of You Was It ;-)

Maybe it's the same person who's been forwarding to other local  writers
my TCN at NYT posts with blogger critics' comments
taken out of context and quotation marks removed, attributing those remarks  
to me.
 
 
 
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justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

Someone  left this post over at Fox:

Comment by TillieFromAP 
December 30th,  2008 at 7:16 pm 
That Tri City News doesn't have news in it, just  provincial blather 
and ads. You really can't compare that to a city  daily.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....

Response here  http://tinyurl.com/6sj3x8
 
Message 1404 
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/message/1404
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/30/2008 11:29:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jerseyshorej...@earthlink.net writes:

Never

On Dec 30, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Kevin Brown  wrote:

ROFLOL...

 Blaming President Bush for liberal  manipulating media. That's the
 funniest oxymoron I have ever  heard...LOL

 Wait, within one year, you will see how much you  wish he was still
 keeping the attack dog terrorists at  bsy.

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[AsburyPark] Ring Out the Old, Ring in the New

In a message dated 12/30/2008 9:02:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabrielleo...@yahoo.com writes:

happy  new year
===
 
Thanks for the cue for me to bring up Tennyson's New Year hopes,
still relevant after 158 years:
 
==
 
Happy New Year!
 

The year is dying in the night:
Ring out, wild bells, and let him  die.

Ring out the old, ring in the new, 
Ring, happy bells, across the  snow: 
The year is going, let him go; 
Ring out the false, ring in the  true. 

Ring out the grief that saps the mind, 
For those that here we see  no more; 
Ring out the feud of rich and poor, 
Ring in redress to all  mankind. 

Ring out a slowly dying cause, 
And ancient forms of party strife;  
Ring in the nobler modes of life, 
With sweeter manners, purer laws. 

Ring out the want, the care, the sin, 
The faithless coldness of the  times; 
Ring out, ring out my mournful rhymes, 
But ring the fuller  minstrel in. 

Ring out false pride in place and blood, 
The civic slander and the  spite; 
Ring in the love of truth and right, 
Ring in the common love of  good. 

Ring out old shapes of foul disease; 
Ring out the narrowing lust of  gold; 
Ring out the thousand wars of old, 
Ring in the thousand years of  peace. 

Ring in the valiant man and free, 
The larger heart, the kindlier  hand; 
Ring out the darkness of the land,...
 
 
Poet Laureate Alfred Lord Tennyson,  in 1850 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Rochester officials queue up for Obama money

In a message dated 12/31/2008 11:41:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
nobepey...@yahoo.com writes:

Anyone  know if AP has a put together a federal economic 
recovery package to  submitt?
 
==
 
I asked the same thing back on 12/23, pasted below:
 
Hope we're shovel-ready enough to get some of those public works   funds 
when they start to trickle down.

The Pockmarked roads of  New Jersey 8 min. video: 
http://tinyurl.com/8kvdoxOnline NewsHour |  PBS   

or text:  http://tinyurl.com/98wlga

Infrastructure  Spending May be Key to Boosting Economy | Online NewsHour |  
December  22, 2008 | PBS 

Excerpts:

PAUL SOLMAN: The pockmarked roads of New  Jersey, one small argument for why  
America desperately needs a massive  infrastructure makeoverlike New 
Jersey's  Pulaski Skyway, a  three-and-a-half-mile elevated road connecting 
Newark 
and  Jersey City  built in the 1930s.

BRIAN STRIZKI, state transportation engineer, New  Jersey: This bridge is  
the 
same type of bridge that collapsed, the  I-35 bridge in Minneapolis.

GOV. JON CORZINE, D-N. J.: We have got the  engineering plans. All we need  
is 
the money to -- and the trigger pull  on go-ahead.

PAUL SOLMAN: And it's not just transportation projects that  are -- quote --  
shovel-ready, says Kris Kolluri, New Jersey's former  transportation boss, 
now  head of school development. 

KRIS  KOLLURI, executive officer, New Jersey Schools Development Authority:   
In New Jersey alone, the aggregate cost of fixing schools is close to  $25  
billion.

ED YARDENI, economist: This is not the 1930s,  where you had a lot of  
able-bodied men who were unemployed, and you  could send to the Hoover Dam, 
and  -- 
and build the thing. Here, we  have got a lot of people in the services  
academy 
that, they're not  shovel-ready.

GOV. JON CORZINE: I don't buy that argument. It's true that  somebody coming  
out of Wall Street probably isn't going to transfer to  the long end of a  
shovel.  On the other hand, it strikes me that  there are -- with two-thirds  
reduction in the amount of homebuilding  going on in the country, there are a 
lot  
of people available for these  jobs.

PAUL SOLMAN: Isn't this socialism? 

ROBERT FRANK: These are  unusual circumstances. So, getting extra spending  
into the system  really is the imperative right now. It's got to come from  
government,  at rare moments like this.

If the alternative is to have people sitting  idle, then we're better off in  
the long run, even if we borrow every  nickel to hire the people to do the  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full of Home Buyers?

In a message dated 12/29/2008 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
oakd...@yahoo.com writes:

After a  few days watching the semiretired o retired having a great,c
arefree time -  it's a scary look into the future.
 
===
 
Scary is right.  Reminds me of some of those retirement villages  in southern 
Ocean County.  Used to drive my parents and some of  their friends to their 
doctors in Whiting.  I commented on those trips  in 2006, message 18165:  
http://tinyurl.com/76oup4
 
I now refer to such places as Hell for the Hoary Headed.  My parents  
weren't wealthy enough for a gated community, but they did, at first, enjoy  
their 
move to Holiday City.
 
Time passed, their neighbors and they got even older--more and more,  nothing 
but infirm widows and widowers unable to care for themselves or each  other,
but no small or adult children in sight, just lots of visits by emergency  
vehicles day and night.
 
Like crossing the River Styx.
 
Wishes to all for the New Year: Live Long  Thrive.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full of Home Buyers?

Thanks Jennifer.  I just can't get a handle on what the following will  mean 
for school systems:  And that means that three out of four  home  buyers will 
have no interest in a house in the suburbs with a good school   system
 
No interest in a good school system sounds ominous to me.
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/29/2008 12:04:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jennifern...@yahoo.com writes:

Mario,
The article is interesting and could be valid except we are  missing a 
very necessary component unless the childless households are  also 
retired.  We do not have enough local industry in Asbury Park to  
support all of its residents.  There are very few large scale walk-to  
jobs.  Back in the day, Asbury Park had the phone company and the gas  
company.  We do not have those types of jobs anymore.  

I  would love to live and work in the same city.  I would love to stop  
driving except when absolutely necessary.  In order to create that  
type of city, we need to lure larger employers here.  We have the  
buildings.  We have the trains and we could have better buses or an  
in-city transit system.  

For a city to be healthy, it needs  to have a balance of incomes.  
There needs to be affordable housing  and reliable affordable 
transportation for the lower income workers.   It really does need a 
good school system for the middle and lower income  workers because 
otherwise it won't have balance in the distribution of the  
population.

AP has a lot going for it especially  location and the small town 
disguised as a city aspect.  It is on a  major transit route.  It has 
one industry in tourism and  entertainment.  I also has small 
businesses and local professionals  like Realtors, lawyers, doctors, 
etc.  It does have the state office  building too.  That is definitely 
a half-full glass.  If we want  to fill the glass to the top then we 
need to attract larger  businesses.  That isn't impossible.  There are 
great tax  benefits for a business to open AP facilities.  I looked 
into doing  that when I was at Bank of NY.  We were going to relocate 
our  Manasquan operations office and our Bradley Beach branch to Grand  
Ave.  We did that in Newburgh, NY and it made sense to do the same  
here.  I don't know too much about schools so I'll leave that up to  
those who do.  I do know communities.  They work best when there  is a 
mix.  That is especially true for smaller cities.  I think  the glass 
could fill up.   
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full of Home Buyers?

In a message dated 12/29/2008 1:17:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
oakd...@yahoo.com writes:

Check  out thevillages.com (I looked at this place as a weird version 
of AP - but  it's 5 times the size...) 
 
=
 
I checked it out.  Permanent Vacation is weird and sounds boring and  
deadly.
 
The Madison Avenue term Lifestyle is another red flag to me.
 
(BTW:  top Google results for lifestyle are all about  condoms.  )
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full of Home Buyers?

In a message dated 12/30/2008 8:42:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
oakd...@yahoo.com writes:

My  daigheter called it the stepford wives...

There's lots of communities  like that - you come in, buy a small
condo either as a single or new  couple, move on to the next size, then
the next, then the retirement home,  assisted living, full nursing
care, hospice, then your final resting place.  Not for me either.
 
===
 
Stepford Communities is great.  Seeking the bubble reputation.
 
Long before that 1972 novel, Shakespeare nailed it with his Seven Ages of  
Man:  


And one man in his  time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the  infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
Then the whining  schoolboy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like  snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace,  with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full  of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and  quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the canon's mouth.  And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes  severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern  instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean  and slippered pantaloon
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His  youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big  manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in  his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is  second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste,  sans everything.
 
 
Cheers!;-)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full of Home Buyers?

Yeppers.  A Gated Hell for the Hoary Headed,
 
 
In a message dated 12/30/2008 9:26:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
oakd...@yahoo.com writes:

the
youngings have escaped.. we pictured 2 old ladies with  shotguns on
jet powered golf carts..

It is a  lifestyle.

It's own radio station, tv station, paper... many retired,  semi
retired, forced retired and volunteers. the villages says  they
employ about 12,000 people in all the stores and support staff.  

They even had an outbreak of sexually transmitted  disease...
according to wikipedia... 

Cheap beer at 5 gets people  going.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Humbug to You!

2008-12-29 Thread MarioAPNJ

In a message dated 12/29/2008 9:34:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hing...@yahoo.com writes:

It's one  thing to defend something you believe in. What you are doing is 
something  entirely 
different. ...refuse to admit that there's something wrong...with  America
Guess what? This country is a mess right now, then the bigger  picture.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon  tvnetdude2...@... wrote:

 Well when ever you put the  country down you will hear from me. 
 

 
I confidently trust that the American people will prove  themselves...too 
wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions  or the selfish 
schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry  of mock 
patriotism: Our country, right or wrong! They will not fail to  recognize 
that our 
dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of  this and coming 
generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the  watchword of 
true patriotism
 
Our country--when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put  right.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Humbug to You!

2008-12-29 Thread MarioAPNJ

I forgot to include the source:Republican Carl Schurz,  who also said,  
 
The man who in times of popular excitement boldly and unflinchingly  resists 
hot-tempered clamor...and thus exposes himself to the opprobrious  imputation 
of a lack of patriotism or of courage...is at least as good a patriot  as the 
hero of the most daring feat of arms, and a far better one than those  who, 
with an ostentatious pretense of superior patriotism, cry for war before it  is 
needed, especially if then they let others do the fighting.
 
– Carl Schurz, About Patriotism,  Harper’s Weekly, April 16, 1898
 
 
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I  confidently trust that the American people will prove  themselves...too  
wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions  or the  
selfish 
schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive  cry  of mock 
patriotism: Our country, right or wrong! They will not  fail to  recognize 
that our 
dignity, our free institutions and the  peace and welfare of  this and coming 
generations of Americans will  be secure only as we cling to the  watchword 
of 
true  patriotism

Our country--when right to be kept right; when wrong to be  put  right.

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[AsburyPark] Cities, Light, Stars. Art, Pollution

2008-12-26 Thread MarioAPNJ

Intended to complement some recent discussions here about the uses of light  
in Asbury Park.
 
“Full Constant Light,”  (NYT Art, 12/26/08)
 
Excerpts from   _http://tinyurl.com/9vxaht_ (http://tinyurl.com/9vxaht) 
 
At this dark time of the year, we like light. So we have festivals of  light: 
Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Christmas, and New Year’s Eve too….
 
To a large degree cities are constructed of light enclosed and  released…
.Same city, different impressions of light. 
 
But this is true in any neighborhood, anywhere, just as it is true of  images 
of light in art spread across the city. And the way light looks depends a  
lot on who’s looking….
 
Time passed. Culture changed. And light, ever volatile, has taken on many  
other roles in art. Sometimes it is used to obscure rather than clarify 
meaning. 
 Sometimes it serves as a warning rather than a warming agent….
 
= (http://tinyurl.com/9vxaht) 
 
Preserving the Starry Night in the Glare of Light Pollution 
December  26, 2008,  By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
 
Excerpt from  _http://tinyurl.com/8yegpx_ (http://tinyurl.com/8yegpx) 
 
[A] team of night owls whose job is to gaze at the sky and monitor light  
pollution in parks….The International Dark-Sky Association, an Arizona-based  
nonprofit whose slogan is “Carpe Noctem,” has noticed an increased awareness of 
 
light pollution, but acknowledged limits.
 
=
 
Carpe Noctern:  Love it!
 
Happy Holidaze to all.
 
And carpe diem.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: AP $hould definitely be $hovel Ready

2008-12-24 Thread MarioAPNJ

 
In a message dated 12/24/2008 9:08:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sharon_b...@yahoo.com writes:
 
Mario,...I don't see why Obama can't with a stroke of a pen, do the  same to 
rescue the crumbling bridges,
levees, roads,...New Jersey LOOKS  better and better, every day, which is why 
I CHOOSE
to live  here! 


 
===
 
I'm all for the infrastructure spending, especially in my backyard,  AP.  
Didn't mean to imply I wasn't.  
 
Just hoping all the paperwork in AP is ready to show immediate  
shovel-ready projects.  Maybe more street paving, Main  Street, Asbury  
Springwood Ave 
work, Sunset Ave bridge, Wesley and  Sunset Lakes, etc.
 
Details are yet to come. I don't know how it will come down from state to  
county to municipalities, but hoping we have dibs on some of that  stimulus 
 
(While Wall Township residents still bicker over COAH  sites).
 
Maybe after the FDR WPA model, Lady Bird-like beautification acts will  
follow
 
 
Till ringing, singing on its way, 
The world revolved from night to  day, 
A voice, a chime, 
A chant sublime 
Of peace on earth, good-will to men! 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Asbury Park's Grand Arcade for Bouncing Souls: A Happy Promo

From the fun guys at Red Bank oRBit, (always a fun read):
 
Excerpts from http://tinyurl.com/7fl669
 
A BOUNCING BACK, A HAPPY LANDING
 
The major event heretofore known as :Home for the  Holidays has been 
rechristened Homeless for the  Holidays-- a reference to its forced exodus 
from the 
Stone Pony, where emergency roof repairs (the  architectural equivalent of 
nervous exhaustion) have extended to a point in  which many of the scheduled 
shows have had to be hastily relocated.
 
While most of those bookings have found safe harbor at the nearby  Wonder 
Bar..., the three-night stand by the Souls..., needed a  bit more space for the 
loyal BS fanbase 
The Homeless homestand has been reassigned from the low-ceilinged environs  
of the Pony, to the wide open spaces of the Grand Arcade--that  soaring and 
reverb-drenched lobby/atrium between the Boardwalk's Convention Hall and  
Paramount Theatre. With its spanking-new collection of bars and  fast-food 
eateries 
(plus the official Boardwalk Christmas tree), it's an  intriguing choice of 
venue...; one that promises to offer much more in  the way of bouncing room.
 
For a band that's been identified as a New Brunswick phenomenon for much of  
their long history, the Bouncing Souls certainly adopted the salty old 
precincts  of Asbury Park as a sister city of sorts. Manager Kate Hiltz  lives 
there
 
Even though the road has taken them to some far-flung corners..., there was  
really never any doubt as to where to hold this special slate of anniversary  
shows...a pretty impressive treat in store this weekend 
Chalk it up as another coup for a group of guys who have rather nimbly  
navigated the shifting ice floes of the music industry meltdown. A group that’s 
 
long outpaced countless contemporaries, various venues..., and continues to  
entice new generations of converts into its fold. What’s not to love? 
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 26: The Bouncing Souls with The Casualties, L.E.S.  
Stitches, Static Radio NJ; SATURDAY, DECEMBER 27: The  Bouncing Souls with 
Token 
Entry,  Vision, Higher  Giant   atThe Grand Arcade.  Doors open 7pm; showtime 
8pm 
(all ages). Tickets ($20) available  at 
http://www.livenation.com/venue/the-stone-pony-tickets/ 
SUNDAY, DECEMBER 28: The Bouncing Souls with The Gaslight Anthem, Gimme  
Drugs, Let Me Run at The  Grand Arcade. Doors open 7pm; showtime 8pm (all 
ages). 
This  show SOLD OUT.
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[AsburyPark] Another POV: TCN - All Paper, No News

All Paper, No News 23 Dec 2008
 
From  http://tinyurl.com/7b6rol
 
People who are into journalism and newspapers and the web and the death of  
print have been all a-twitter over the NY Times story  today about the 
triCityNews, a little  alt-weekly in Monmouth County, New Jersey.
 
 
 
I spent a good bit of time in Monmouth County years ago, when I was a  
consultant and had a client there, but unfortunately my tenure in the area  
predates 
the triCityNews' era of journalistic service to the community. So I was  
interested to see what was so notable about this little paper. 
The Times bemusedly profiles the little alt because, it claims, the triCity  
shuns the web. They quote Dan Jacobson, owner and publisher of the paper, at 
 some length in the piece. I've concatenated all of Jacobson's quotes in the  
article together here. 
[...]
In all of his quotes about the web and his business model and other  
newspapers and his big, beautiful full-page ads, Dan Jacobson never  once 
mentions 
serving his community, researching a story, publishing information  of any 
utility or value to his audience, or actually committing any act  of 
journalism. 
That's not to say Jacobson doesn't value journalism. It's just that it's  
absolutely clear that his priority is his advertisers. Thus, I submit that the  
triCityNews, while certainly a paper, is likely not a newspaper. I  would ask 
for clarification or rebuttal, or seek evidence to dispute this  conclusion by 
looking in the paper itself, but that's not possible for those of  us not 
physically located in its distribution area. I would invite Mr. Jacobson  to 
respond in person here to this assertion, but I don't want him to compromise  
his 
apparent belief that the audience he serves doesn't not seek clarification  of 
information through the web. 
I do, however, invite David Carr to explain his  belief that this constitutes 
a ray of light in [his] e-mail [sic] inbox. I  won't hold him accountable 
for the headline on the story; we all know to blame  the editors for that. But 
even a lighthearted story should have at least its  fundamental assertions 
somewhat resemble the truth. 
And, as a minor side note to Mr. Jacobson, whom I suspect may read the  
response on the web despite his contempt for our medium: The word plog is  
currently the subject of a trademark application by  Amazon.com. They are an 
online 
concern that has  apparently found a way to make money merchandising products 
online, even when  they aren't making use of big, beautiful full-page ads. 
Just as someone will  succeed in doing in Asbury Park, someday soon. 



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[AsburyPark] Another POV: TCN Coverage Like the Dew

From  Recovering Journalist: Jumping to the Wrong Conclusion (a  
professional POV)  a Comment following it (Somewhat testy -  lol):
 
http://tinyurl.com/77zc3h
 
 

New York Times media columnist David Carr,  who is staking out a position as 
a staunch defender of the primacy of the  traditional newspaper, has come up 
with a doozy: a small weekly community newspaper in New Jersey that claims to 
be  thriving. In fact, Carr says, The TriCityNews of Monmouth County is 
prospering  precisely because it aggressively ignores the Web.
 
 

Well, not precisely. In fact, probably not much at all.

The TriCityNews' owner and publisher, Dan Jacobson, is proud of his  
print-only stance, Carr reports. Why would I put anything on the Web? Carr  
quotes 
Jacobson as saying. I don't understand how putting content on the Web  would 
do anything but help destroy our paper.

Carr and Jacobson have jumped to the wrong conclusion about what makes the  
TriCityNews a success. Indeed, many small community papers, with and without 
Web  sites, are doing just fine, and will continue to do so even as larger 
newspapers  founder. 

That has nothing to do with print, or the Web. It has everything to do with  
the fact that these little papers cover their communities closely–and have  
little or no competition in doing so. Web or not, their readers have almost no  
place else to go.

The well-publicized storm that's roiling the newspaper business isn't  really 
affecting many of these smaller players. When we talk about newspapers in  
trouble these days, we're primarily talking about metro dailies, which are 
being 
 pummeled on all sides by competition from national news sites, bloggers,  
craigslist, hyperlocal sites, Yelp, and others. There are generally myriad 
other 
 ways to get most of what's in most dailies. Want international news? It's  
everywhere. National news? Ditto. Sports? Ditto, plus ESPN. Entertainment news? 
 Same thing. 

The one franchise the big metros can still defend, usually, is local  news–
and even there, they're probably spread too thin. In fact, they're spread  so 
thin that they're often undercut by small community papers like ... the  
TriCityNews, which covers news and arts in the area around Asbury Park like the 
 dew, 
as the saying used to go.

In fact, the TriCityNews has staked out an even narrower niche, as an  
alternative community weekly with an edge. (Its almost non-existent Web site  
shows 
a copy of the paper sitting atop a toilet.) So it's a little offbeat, and  
doubtless a nice alternative to Gannett's Asbury Park Press, its nearest daily  
competitor. And the Asbury Park Press is no slouch at local coverage  itself.

That unique local angle is what makes the TriCityNews a success, whether or  
not it has a Web site. (Ironically, because its alternative audience probably  
skews young, it may actually be limiting itself by not reaching that audience 
 online.) Indeed, it's tiny (10,000 circulation), keeps its editorial costs 
low,  offers affordable advertising and has annual revenue that's probably a 
rounding  error for a paper like the Asbury Park Press. Comparing its situation 
to the  problems of big dailies is really apples and oranges.

Long after metro dailies wither away, small community and alternative  papers 
like the TriCityNews are likely to continue in print (and on the Web),  
because they're providing unique, focused content to their narrowly defined  
audiences (and advertisers). If there was a way to get the same stuff from an  
online (or print) competitor, these papers would face a lot of the same  
structural 
pressures as their larger cousins. And they're still feeling the same  pinch 
from a lousy advertising economy, nonetheless. But their success really  
doesn't have anything to do with whether they're distributed in pixels or dead  
trees. It's the nature of their content that makes the  difference. 

So contrary to what Carr and Jacobson believe, the secret to the  
TriCityNews' success probably isn't that it fiercely eschews the Web. It's that 
 it's 
fiercely local.


 
Comments:  Not so fast, gentleman. To call Tri-City a  community paper is an 
error and doesn't do justice to community papers like the  2 River Times and 
The Hub which truly cover the community. 

Mr. Jacobsons version of community coverage is to  borrow stories from these 
papers, slam the local daily paper and other weeklies,  and launch personal 
attacks on it s reviewer when there is a negative article  about one of his 
advertisers.
He doesn't cover meetings, thereby relying on second  hand accounts of what 
went on in the tri-city towns and tends to beat the same  old dead horse 
topics which are the only ones that he is familiar with. He's  never met an 
advertiser or developer he didn't want to shill for.
Tri-City wishes it was the NY Press or Village Voice,  in reality it is a 
freebee, that one finds stacked on top of the trash can in  the local pizzeria 
(how fitting). It

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN Coverage Like the Dew

In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:28:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

Where's  the link to the data that other small papers are doing fine?
 
=
 
I dunno.  Ask the recovering journalist at his site, comment or  email  
recoveringjournal...@cox.net
 
Anyone know how the Coaster is doing?  I like to promote Coaster  
subscriptions to out-of-town AP lovers, pointing out that, though it does have 
a  web 
site,  it's difficult to navigate and doesn't contain every  article in its 
print 
version.  A bargain because it's delivered on day of  publication and you get 
a $25 gift certificate to a local restaurant.
 
2 River Times tries to preserve its print status by offering limited web  
content only after 4 days on newsstands (or immediately to print  subscribers).
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN - All Paper, No News

In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:05:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes:

Thanks  for the heads-up on the trademark application for the 
word Plog.
I  invented it and printed it years ago and have been using it ever  
since.
I'm going to intervene in the application.
 
==
 
That could be fun to watch:  Tommy v. Amazon -- like David v.  Goliath.   ;-)
 
BTW:  Is that invention like the claim where you begin an article  with a 
quote, accusing a Coaster columnist of stealing the device?
 
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[AsburyPark] AP $hould definitely be $hovel Ready

Hope we're shovel-ready enough to get some of those public works  funds 
when they start to trickle down.
 
The Pockmarked roads of New Jersey 8 min. video:
http://tinyurl.com/8kvdoxOnline NewsHour |  PBS
 
or text:  http://tinyurl.com/98wlga
 
Infrastructure Spending May be Key to Boosting Economy | Online NewsHour |  
December 22, 2008 | PBS 
 
Excerpts:
 
PAUL SOLMAN: The pockmarked roads of New Jersey, one small argument for why  
America desperately needs a massive infrastructure makeoverlike New 
Jersey's  Pulaski Skyway, a three-and-a-half-mile elevated road connecting 
Newark 
and  Jersey City built in the 1930s.
 
BRIAN STRIZKI, state transportation engineer, New Jersey: This bridge is  the 
same type of bridge that collapsed, the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis.
 
GOV. JON CORZINE, D-N. J.: We have got the engineering plans. All we need  is 
the money to -- and the trigger pull on go-ahead.
 
PAUL SOLMAN: And it's not just transportation projects that are -- quote --  
shovel-ready, says Kris Kolluri, New Jersey's former transportation boss, 
now  head of school development. 
 
KRIS KOLLURI, executive officer, New Jersey Schools Development Authority:  
In New Jersey alone, the aggregate cost of fixing schools is close to $25  
billion.
 
ED YARDENI, economist: This is not the 1930s, where you had a lot of  
able-bodied men who were unemployed, and you could send to the Hoover Dam, and  
-- 
and build the thing. Here, we have got a lot of people in the services  academy 
that, they're not shovel-ready.
 
GOV. JON CORZINE: I don't buy that argument. It's true that somebody coming  
out of Wall Street probably isn't going to transfer to the long end of a  
shovel.  On the other hand, it strikes me that there are -- with two-thirds  
reduction in the amount of homebuilding going on in the country, there are a 
lot  
of people available for these jobs.

PAUL SOLMAN: Isn't this socialism? 
 
ROBERT FRANK: These are unusual circumstances. So, getting extra spending  
into the system really is the imperative right now. It's got to come from  
government, at rare moments like this.
 
If the alternative is to have people sitting idle, then we're better off in  
the long run, even if we borrow every nickel to hire the people to do the  
work.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN - All Paper, No News

In a message dated 12/23/2008 3:40:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dfsav...@yahoo.com writes:

As I said, the Pennysaver. Is that just a NY term?

Nope:

Excerpt: Making a profitable penny saver is a lot easier than making a
real, profitable news operation that serves its community. It sounds like the
triCityNews exists to be a pleasant place for local advertisers. It has lots
of ad space that is surrounded by soft, friendly content.

Even Carr admits that the triCityNews is ”boosterish.” Maybe it even has
some friendly content thrown in about frequent advertisers.
Good for the triCityNews for serving the advertisers of Ashbury Park. Nothing
wrong with that. It’s just business.
But shame on Carr for not proving that the triCityNews serves its community
well

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[AsburyPark] DJ, TCN Carr: # 9 Most Blogged (Touching Raw Nerves?)

Touched some raw nerves I guess.
 

# 9 most blogged article   _http://tinyurl.com/eutul_ 
(http://tinyurl.com/eutul) 
 
or
 
_Most Referenced New York  Times Articles from the Blog Community - The New 
York Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/gst/mostblogged.html)  

 
or
 
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