[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Don't weep for the old Pony owners or the old Fastlane owners. They > > had more money than most any of us on this list will ever have and > > made a great deal of it off the backs of people they were paying > > $25/night to work. They didn't do anything for Asbury Park, hell they > > wouldn't even spend the money for paint to clean the places up. They > > merely leveraged the 'legend' of the town, squeezed what they could > > and left. > > The guy (Walter Burns) that owns the Fastlane now just spent the last decade > fixing the club up. His reward was that his block is scheduled for > demolition under the new plan. Maybe the other owners were smart for > keeping their bucks close to the vest. > > BTW, the early 90s had the Fastlane packed nearly every night. That was the > last really good music scene I've seen first hand. ~ asburyjim wrote: Doesn't the FASTLANE have the America Flag flying on it in Disgrace all torn in 1/2,shredded & faded? And is ForSale?It's been like that for close the year.And a For sale sign on front. Jim Grabe Veterans Alliance Past Commander VFW Post 1333 Asbury Park Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Ahh, that must have been 'post-me', I 'got out' back in '95 I think. Sorry for the criticism, I'd never seen that phase ...glad I missed it from the description. Btw, if your email was also the name you performed under...you'd probably recognize me from ages ago...I was a soundman for quite a while down in that scene. On 8/19/05, Heshy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vinyl was merely the name of the feature that was booked, it was a > DJ night essentially. The club was still The Stone Pony, just running > a themed booking called Vinyl. > > Yes, but after the Vinyl nights (Wednesdays, if I remember correctly) > had been going on for a year or so, Steve Nasar eventually closed the > Pony, remodeled it, and renamed the whole thing Vinyl. He was no > doubt hoping to take what was probably his most profitable night full- > time. The stage was moved to the other side and the decor was changed > radically, from Pony black to some nauseatingly peach-colored theme. > The awning over the front door was changed to reflect the 'new' name. > It was open as Vinyl for two weeks, then it closed just as suddenly > when Nasar fled the scene due to personal problems. > > Just a minor footnote to AP music/club history. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
> Don't weep for the old Pony owners or the old Fastlane owners. They > had more money than most any of us on this list will ever have and > made a great deal of it off the backs of people they were paying > $25/night to work. They didn't do anything for Asbury Park, hell they > wouldn't even spend the money for paint to clean the places up. They > merely leveraged the 'legend' of the town, squeezed what they could > and left. The guy (Walter Burns) that owns the Fastlane now just spent the last decade fixing the club up. His reward was that his block is scheduled for demolition under the new plan. Maybe the other owners were smart for keeping their bucks close to the vest. BTW, the early 90s had the Fastlane packed nearly every night. That was the last really good music scene I've seen first hand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vinyl was merely the name of the feature that was booked, it was a DJ night essentially. The club was still The Stone Pony, just running a themed booking called Vinyl. Yes, but after the Vinyl nights (Wednesdays, if I remember correctly) had been going on for a year or so, Steve Nasar eventually closed the Pony, remodeled it, and renamed the whole thing Vinyl. He was no doubt hoping to take what was probably his most profitable night full- time. The stage was moved to the other side and the decor was changed radically, from Pony black to some nauseatingly peach-colored theme. The awning over the front door was changed to reflect the 'new' name. It was open as Vinyl for two weeks, then it closed just as suddenly when Nasar fled the scene due to personal problems. Just a minor footnote to AP music/club history. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Vinyl was merely the name of the feature that was booked, it was a DJ night essentially. The club was still The Stone Pony, just running a themed booking called Vinyl. I worked at both the Pony and Fastlane during that time. Both buildings are nothing but a cement bunker to use as a venue. The Fastlane actually had more character as a building than the Pony ever did at that point. Of the many hundreds of venues I worked in nationally, these two were a black eye on NJ before they were ever considered anything special. The promoters and club owners are in the bottom rung nationally when compared with anyone else I had to deal with in the business. Both owners of both venues were there for nothing more than turning a buck selling liquor. Neither one had any heart in the business itself. Both owners used to skim every last dime before any bookkeeping was done, to a level where there were shows with no beer to sell because we were on hold with the distributors. Neither owner was short of cash for a second. A single well sold show would net them tens of thousands in bar ring. As for profit from the show tickets, in case people dont' realize how it works. The promoter that books the acts generally gets all of the door charge. The promoter pays the management company of the act for the show. Sometimes the club will share this cost with the promoter and other times with wildly successful acts, the promoter won't book and act in the venue without a share of the bar ring too. If a club owner doesn't understand the above as the way the business works, if they try to buck the system, they will find themselves without access to the acts they need to draw serious crowds. This was the case with both the Pony and the Fastlane over the years as disputes came and went. Any time they were in disputes with the local promotion syndicate, their volume suffered accordingly. It's just how the business works. If you want a true music landmark, Thunderbirds (long gone) and The Saint ( I think they are still going) were clubs booked and promoted from the heart. Run by people who truly care(d) more about the music than the profit and who, as a result, are content to live on a shoestring compared to if they had just bought a bigger 'box' to put on shows. Don't weep for the old Pony owners or the old Fastlane owners. They had more money than most any of us on this list will ever have and made a great deal of it off the backs of people they were paying $25/night to work. They didn't do anything for Asbury Park, hell they wouldn't even spend the money for paint to clean the places up. They merely leveraged the 'legend' of the town, squeezed what they could and left. I miss working down there, that was a fun time (the 90's) for club work, but it doesn't pay the bills. On 8/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He changed the name, briefly, to Vinyl, but it was the Pony for some time > and I do believe it made money under Nasar, at least for a time. They were > booking different acts than were booked when Butch and Jack owned it; saw > Soul Asylum, the Ramones, Courtney Love, etc. there, and those were all big > shows. It was during that period that they started doing the outdoor shows > after Mrs. Jay's had closed and they took over that area. I think it was > called the "Stone Pony Big Top," at one point. > > Jean Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Skip, Which one of these countries has ascended? I'm confused about the countries you choose as success stories? Japan is the most overatted country of all time, have you bought in to the hype? Remember, they were going to take over the world? The real estate of the Emperor's palace in Tokyo is valued to be worth more that ALL OF CALIFORNIA! Who could possibly believe this but the Japanese; oh and you! What a Joke.Your kitchen in NJ, is the size of their house! The South Korean economy is down the tubes, how are they a success? They are certainly better off than there communist brethren in the North, but that is due to the US helping them. India is a hell hole, have you ever been there? Are you kidding me? The only reason China is on the map right now is CHEAP LABOR. Once there labor costs catch up to the rest of the world (they are about a 100 years behind everyone) there story will come to an end. Incidently there whole success is based upon American purchasing there goods. Why did you choose these countries, and yet avoid the fastest ascending country in Europe? Ireland! They are now the second strongest economy in Europe. Largely due to the flat tax. ie: The government getting the hell out of the way. Why did you avoid Europe but champion Asia? Maybe you are a self loathing white male? Trying to make those of us with pride in our European history of free markets and liberties feel guilty about our past? Where are you coming from chanmpioning Communist countries like China? Do you want that "SUCCESS" here? I am completely confused by your post? Unless, you have a political slant to the left and will do anything to defend it; including manipulation and deception! Tim --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed the > Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that." > > How does the Republican Party explain the ascendancy of China, India, > Japan and South Korea? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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"Why don't you move there and let us know. Tell me of your freedoms in Communist China." I love it when right wing extremists find themselves boxed; the failsafe position, if you don't like it here (in the land of the free) move. Tommy what if those of us who believe the founding fathers actually meant for people to be free, think it one of our obligations to speak against distortion and untruth? Despite the malaise that has befallen American politics I've never heard a voice from the left tell those with whom they disagree to "love it or leave it"; you're some kind of patriot. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why don't you move there and let us know. Tell me of your freedoms > in Communist China. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed the > > Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that." > > > > How does the Republican Party explain the ascendancy of China, > India, > > Japan and South Korea? > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed > the > > > Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > It's State and Federal law that protects historic resources > from > > > > damage > > > > and yet allows for progress and forward looking development. > As a > > > > lawyer you really should look into it a bit more thouroughly > > > before > > > > making the comments you recently have denouncing historic > > > > preservation. > > > > > > > > I'm sure you can diferentiate beween your personal opinion and > the > > > > technical legal realities of the subject. For starters allow > me to > > > > recommend searching for the following via the internet: > > > > > > > > Historic Preservation Economics > > > > NJ State Preservation Law > > > > Federal Preservation Law > > > > NJ State Redevelopment Law > > > > NJ Smart Growth > > > > National Trust for Historic Preservation > > > > > > > > Werner. > > > > > > > > > > > > to the --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Tim is the man. I really like this guy's posts. Like me, he > is > > > no > > > > > slave to history. Like me he clearly has confidence that > his > > > own > > > > > generation is good, and can do wonderful, progressive things > > > > without > > > > > being cuffed to the past. We can be better than out past > with > > > only > > > > a > > > > > bit of courage to do so. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Why don't you move there and let us know. Tell me of your freedoms in Communist China. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed the > Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that." > > How does the Republican Party explain the ascendancy of China, India, > Japan and South Korea? > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed the > > Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > It's State and Federal law that protects historic resources from > > > damage > > > and yet allows for progress and forward looking development. As a > > > lawyer you really should look into it a bit more thouroughly > > before > > > making the comments you recently have denouncing historic > > > preservation. > > > > > > I'm sure you can diferentiate beween your personal opinion and the > > > technical legal realities of the subject. For starters allow me to > > > recommend searching for the following via the internet: > > > > > > Historic Preservation Economics > > > NJ State Preservation Law > > > Federal Preservation Law > > > NJ State Redevelopment Law > > > NJ Smart Growth > > > National Trust for Historic Preservation > > > > > > Werner. > > > > > > > > > to the --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tim is the man. I really like this guy's posts. Like me, he is > > no > > > > slave to history. Like me he clearly has confidence that his > > own > > > > generation is good, and can do wonderful, progressive things > > > without > > > > being cuffed to the past. We can be better than out past with > > only > > > a > > > > bit of courage to do so. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
"Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed the Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that." How does the Republican Party explain the ascendancy of China, India, Japan and South Korea? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed the > Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > It's State and Federal law that protects historic resources from > > damage > > and yet allows for progress and forward looking development. As a > > lawyer you really should look into it a bit more thouroughly > before > > making the comments you recently have denouncing historic > > preservation. > > > > I'm sure you can diferentiate beween your personal opinion and the > > technical legal realities of the subject. For starters allow me to > > recommend searching for the following via the internet: > > > > Historic Preservation Economics > > NJ State Preservation Law > > Federal Preservation Law > > NJ State Redevelopment Law > > NJ Smart Growth > > National Trust for Historic Preservation > > > > Werner. > > > > > > to the --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tim is the man. I really like this guy's posts. Like me, he is > no > > > slave to history. Like me he clearly has confidence that his > own > > > generation is good, and can do wonderful, progressive things > > without > > > being cuffed to the past. We can be better than out past with > only > > a > > > bit of courage to do so. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Central planning, over-planning and bureaucracy is what killed the Soviet Union. Perhaps you should look into that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's State and Federal law that protects historic resources from > damage > and yet allows for progress and forward looking development. As a > lawyer you really should look into it a bit more thouroughly before > making the comments you recently have denouncing historic > preservation. > > I'm sure you can diferentiate beween your personal opinion and the > technical legal realities of the subject. For starters allow me to > recommend searching for the following via the internet: > > Historic Preservation Economics > NJ State Preservation Law > Federal Preservation Law > NJ State Redevelopment Law > NJ Smart Growth > National Trust for Historic Preservation > > Werner. > > > to the --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tim is the man. I really like this guy's posts. Like me, he is no > > slave to history. Like me he clearly has confidence that his own > > generation is good, and can do wonderful, progressive things > without > > being cuffed to the past. We can be better than out past with only > a > > bit of courage to do so. > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
It's State and Federal law that protects historic resources from damage and yet allows for progress and forward looking development. As a lawyer you really should look into it a bit more thouroughly before making the comments you recently have denouncing historic preservation. I'm sure you can diferentiate beween your personal opinion and the technical legal realities of the subject. For starters allow me to recommend searching for the following via the internet: Historic Preservation Economics NJ State Preservation Law Federal Preservation Law NJ State Redevelopment Law NJ Smart Growth National Trust for Historic Preservation Werner. to the --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim is the man. I really like this guy's posts. Like me, he is no > slave to history. Like me he clearly has confidence that his own > generation is good, and can do wonderful, progressive things without > being cuffed to the past. We can be better than out past with only a > bit of courage to do so. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
On 8/17/05 6:02 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim is the man. I really like this guy's posts. Like me, he is no > slave to history. Like me he clearly has confidence that his own > generation is good, and can do wonderful, progressive things without > being cuffed to the past. We can be better than out past with only a > bit of courage to do so. > > I'm not alone in the universe. ALL HAIL TIM!!! You had the great point that the value is in the Stone Pony name. I've never said it shouldn't be fixed up (maybe even demolished and completely rebuilt - however, I do like where it currently stands rather than being moved for many reasons) but it's absolutely ridiculous to think that Asbury Park would be better off without a Stone Pony. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Tim is the man. I really like this guy's posts. Like me, he is no slave to history. Like me he clearly has confidence that his own generation is good, and can do wonderful, progressive things without being cuffed to the past. We can be better than out past with only a bit of courage to do so. I'm not alone in the universe. ALL HAIL TIM!!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charlie, > > My post was in response to the comparison of the liberty Bell to > the Stone Pony. The 'Stone Pony' deals with the temporal pop culture > world. It is tied to that frivolous world. I would like to think the > 'Libery Bell' deals a bit more with the eternal, and overall is a more > important structure. >I'm not suggesting the Stone Pony should be torn down, I'm just > suggesting don't be afraid with what might replace it. It might be > better. After all, when I go to NYC, I much prefer "The Knitting > Factory" to "CBGB's". It is just a better club at this time, even > though it does not have the legendary status of CB's. And when I go > to Asbury, I much more prefer "The Saint" or that "Bowling Alley". At > this point they are just better. > The guy running the "Bowling Alley" got Jon Spencer to come down > and play a show for christ sakes. People should be talking about that, > not about a charity "Springsteen" show. > > Any band that plays the Mercury Lounge, Knitting Factory NYC etc. > Also has the potential to play Asbury, they are the same size venues. > Even Maxwell's in NEW JERSEY gets quality bands. They are only an > hour away. They probably come through to go to Philly on tours. I > think people just see the potential lost with the Stone Pony. > > As it stands now, Maxwells makes the Stone Pony look like a > little girl scout convention. Like a bunch of little bitches. > > Tim > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > " As the people who lived through the Stone Pony hay > > day die off, it > > will be forgotten. You can't preserve everything, nor > > should you. " > > > > tim - > > > > in 20 years, when the people who lived through the > > early days are older. the stone pony will be > > forgotten? what about the people who are my age, that > > are living through its hay day of today? if the place > > looses money, and has to close, then surely eventually > > it will be forgotten. but you cant base a clubs life > > timeline, on people who were there during its hey day, > > when it became most popular. through out the history > > of the place, its always been the same. its no > > different now then it was back then. i think people > > who lived it back then, are older, and look at it > > differently. maybe thats it full of young people, and > > its different. but maybe its the same, and their > > forgetting they were young back then too. > > > > > > > > __ > > Yahoo! Mail > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Charlie, My post was in response to the comparison of the liberty Bell to the Stone Pony. The 'Stone Pony' deals with the temporal pop culture world. It is tied to that frivolous world. I would like to think the 'Libery Bell' deals a bit more with the eternal, and overall is a more important structure. I'm not suggesting the Stone Pony should be torn down, I'm just suggesting don't be afraid with what might replace it. It might be better. After all, when I go to NYC, I much prefer "The Knitting Factory" to "CBGB's". It is just a better club at this time, even though it does not have the legendary status of CB's. And when I go to Asbury, I much more prefer "The Saint" or that "Bowling Alley". At this point they are just better. The guy running the "Bowling Alley" got Jon Spencer to come down and play a show for christ sakes. People should be talking about that, not about a charity "Springsteen" show. Any band that plays the Mercury Lounge, Knitting Factory NYC etc. Also has the potential to play Asbury, they are the same size venues. Even Maxwell's in NEW JERSEY gets quality bands. They are only an hour away. They probably come through to go to Philly on tours. I think people just see the potential lost with the Stone Pony. As it stands now, Maxwells makes the Stone Pony look like a little girl scout convention. Like a bunch of little bitches. Tim --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > " As the people who lived through the Stone Pony hay > day die off, it > will be forgotten. You can't preserve everything, nor > should you. " > > tim - > > in 20 years, when the people who lived through the > early days are older. the stone pony will be > forgotten? what about the people who are my age, that > are living through its hay day of today? if the place > looses money, and has to close, then surely eventually > it will be forgotten. but you cant base a clubs life > timeline, on people who were there during its hey day, > when it became most popular. through out the history > of the place, its always been the same. its no > different now then it was back then. i think people > who lived it back then, are older, and look at it > differently. maybe thats it full of young people, and > its different. but maybe its the same, and their > forgetting they were young back then too. > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can understand people who are hesitant to let the world know that a famous > bar exists in their town (I had to fight with Monmouth County Tourism to get > them to start mentioning the Pony in their brochures) but the fact remains > that it is something known throughout the world. And it's not in a bad > light. Sure it's a bar, but it's also a place that many people enjoy. > Dreams and careers have been launched there. A few months ago, a couple > even chose the Stone Pony as the place to hold their wedding. I have yet to pass it on the weekend and NOT see someone taking their picture in front of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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" As the people who lived through the Stone Pony hay day die off, it will be forgotten. You can't preserve everything, nor should you. " tim - in 20 years, when the people who lived through the early days are older. the stone pony will be forgotten? what about the people who are my age, that are living through its hay day of today? if the place looses money, and has to close, then surely eventually it will be forgotten. but you cant base a clubs life timeline, on people who were there during its hey day, when it became most popular. through out the history of the place, its always been the same. its no different now then it was back then. i think people who lived it back then, are older, and look at it differently. maybe thats it full of young people, and its different. but maybe its the same, and their forgetting they were young back then too. __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> let us not forget how Harry's managed to screw up as well.> > Maagement is key. ~~~Management is veryimportant Harrys had to many people wanting to party & be aManager.Being a Past Commander & Vice Commander when Harrys firstopen the VFW try to work something with Harrys we wanted 3 things.AndHarrys or anyone could use the parking lot like it used to be beforeHarrys open.When we wasn't useing it. (1) no deliveies in the parking lot. (2) no employee parking parking or salesman. (3) if there patrons use it clean it up the next morning. I had to take a Manager to court he left his truck there 3 times ovenight because he got drunk.He got piss because I towed it on the 3 time a Sunday morning before my JWV Bingo started & startinmg screaming at me on Monday when he seen me.Employees of Harrys parking there saying that it wasn't thre car whenit was making our Patrons walk from Lake Ave.We donated the parking lot for Bruce Springsteen Concert they hadthey left it dirty for several days myself & a WWII Veteran cleanit.Chef said Mexicans misundestood his english.Terry Reidy only one to send my Commander a letter of thanks.Harrys was suppose never did.Also suppose to make a donation in our name never did. The WWII Veterans apprecatied the letter from Reidy.My older Comrades don't ask for alot was rasied in this town or next town over & seen alot.They believe a handshake & a person word can go a long way Old School.My past Quartermaster wanted to do this before we put anything on paper he ran our Bingo for 45 years before he pass away. He said Jim once you get it on paper Lawyers will turn it all around & we can get screw.Lets see what kind of people this restaurant people are first.I learn something from Tony like I have from all the Rest of these Comrades from WWII the older the wiser.Alot of things these guys told me 2-3 years ago that was going to happen is happening the Older the Wiser. James Grabe Veteran Alliance Past Commander VFW Post 1333 Asbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> The Stone Pony, with its name, potential branding power, historic prevalence > in Springsteen mythology (perceived or earned, it doesn't matter, it > exists), make it a significant ASSET and one that should be capitalized on, > rather than discarded glibly as we redevelop our city. I think Jim hits the nail on the head. Asbury Park seems almost embarrassed that a bar/venue should be known around the world and exist within its boundaries. This may not be as great as having a world class university within your boundaries, but as many people know - towns very often dislike universities as well. It doesn't matter what it is, some people will be against it. I can understand people who are hesitant to let the world know that a famous bar exists in their town (I had to fight with Monmouth County Tourism to get them to start mentioning the Pony in their brochures) but the fact remains that it is something known throughout the world. And it's not in a bad light. Sure it's a bar, but it's also a place that many people enjoy. Dreams and careers have been launched there. A few months ago, a couple even chose the Stone Pony as the place to hold their wedding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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let us not forget how Harry's managed to screw up as well. Maagement is key. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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my bankruptcy point was it - the NAME has value. Should it be rebuilt, sure - but bigger and better. The idea of the Stone Pony name has its value much like the Hard Rock (don't kill me). The BRAND is it. Nothing better Jim then the original owner of a real hometown tavern. Soem of those DO have value and do bring people. Nothing beats a real local watering hole, especially if its original. I don't disagree with Asbury's marketing power - potential. Liquor $ will follow and there will be an entertainment district - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/16/2005 6:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: <> It is not a matter of life going on or not going on Oak. My family has been in the tavern business for 25 years. Will life go on when my dad sells the place and/or closes the doors? Yes, of course. But, my family's place does not have the POTENTIAL to be a massive tourist draw for Waretown, NJ. The Stone Pony, with its name, potential branding power, historic prevalence in Springsteen mythology (perceived or earned, it doesn't matter, it exists), make it a significant ASSET and one that should be capitalized on, rather than discarded glibly as we redevelop our city. We have two clear and exciting assets in Asbury Park that are not being capitalized on in the least - our music history and our reputation as a beachfront tourist destination. I hope that in some ways I can begin to alter this in my role as a member of the City Council and I welcome any support and help in this regard. Peace, JWK Councilman Jim Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of oakdorf Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:26 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER I once worked for a guy in a major (Financial corp - like JJ's). While i thought my then 21k year job was so important to him as I prepared to leave he said "best of luck in your new job...". His point was simple - his job was to make sure my job could be filled by the next joe (sorry joe). So if the Pony as it is were to go, there would be another venue to go to. This is what has happened to CH, to some degree the PNC. Great Adventure can hold a load of people, the Garden, the Spectrum (wach center), Meadowlands, etcso there is no atomsphere. Oh well. When the pony went bankrupt, for those of you who don't know, the battle was not over the building in Bankruptcy court, rather the who owned the rights to the name " The Stone Pony". When it changed over to VINYL, the legend was gone. People survived, so I think, They survived when: 1. The Empress was a legend 2. The Berkley was closed 3. PArk Place burned down 4. XANADu's closed 5. Clover Club 6. Mrs. Jays etc...etc. and these were just in our day, right BB? What about Montego Bay, Key Largo and the Parrot...or Spanky's, or the Pier or The BLue Dolphin and the Bottom of the Barrel or Tradewinds or rorororororororor. Life goes on in the bar and booz world. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> They survived when: > 1. The Empress was a legend > 2. The Berkley was closed > 3. PArk Place burned down > 4. XANADu's closed > 5. Clover Club > 6. Mrs. Jays > etc...etc. and these were just in our day, right BB? What about > Montego Bay, Key Largo and the Parrot...or Spanky's, or the Pier or > The BLue Dolphin and the Bottom of the Barrel or Tradewinds or > rorororororororor. > > Life goes on in the bar and booz world. There is ONE big difference here and I'm pretty sure you know it. While I agree with some of what you're saying (I know many, many people who miss the Green Parrot badly) the FACT is that none of those places ever reached the national level that the Stone Pony has. Am I right? You're looking at it from the same perspective of Tri-City - that the Stone Pony is nothing but another bar. The Pony also is known around the world in the same way that people known the Cavern in Liverpool. Ever wonder why there is a rebuilt Cavern club today? Because Liverpool realized that they made a mistake tearing down the original when they could have used it as an anchor in a music tourism trade. The Cavern was just another booze hall to some... It's now part of a music tourism trade bringing in lots and lots of revenue for the area. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I once worked for a guy in a major (Financial corp - like JJ's). While i thought my then 21k year job was so important to him as I prepared to leave he said "best of luck in your new job...". His point was simple - his job was to make sure my job could be filled by the next joe (sorry joe). So if the Pony as it is were to go, there would be another venue to go to. This is what has happened to CH, to some degree the PNC. Great Adventure can hold a load of people, the Garden, the Spectrum (wach center), Meadowlands, etcso there is no atomsphere. Oh well. When the pony went bankrupt, for those of you who don't know, the battle was not over the building in Bankruptcy court, rather the who owned the rights to the name " The Stone Pony". When it changed over to VINYL, the legend was gone. People survived, so I think, They survived when: 1. The Empress was a legend 2. The Berkley was closed 3. PArk Place burned down 4. XANADu's closed 5. Clover Club 6. Mrs. Jays etc...etc. and these were just in our day, right BB? What about Montego Bay, Key Largo and the Parrot...or Spanky's, or the Pier or The BLue Dolphin and the Bottom of the Barrel or Tradewinds or rorororororororor. Life goes on in the bar and booz world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> As the people who lived through the Stone Pony hay day die off, it > will be forgotten. You can't preserve everything, nor should you. You can't preserve everything, but you can build a major tourism program around a few things like the Stone Pony and the Casino and Convention Hall. The "Stone Pony hay day" is really just a way of describing the club from people who could care less about it. If the club was fixed up a bit more (or demolished and rebuilt as many suggest should happen) it would again be a world class club. There are still many bands from around the country that launch their tours here BECAUSE it's the Stone Pony. Go outside of New Jersey and see what the name means. This is one of those things where people too close to something fail to see its importance. It's also one of the reasons why Asbury Park really should TRY to look into exactly what the importance of its structures really is because they are heading down a slope they may severely regret. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On 8/16/05 5:24 PM, "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is a 'Stone Pony' in every city in America. From CBGB's to > Lamours in Brooklyn; to the Whiskey in LA. It is not such a unique > thing. There is only one Liberty Bell and it has national > significance not simply local significance. That's a terrible example. > > You should also notice that Clubs like Lamours are gone and CB's is > strugling right now also. So they are all having similar problems. > There is too many modes of entertainment it is difficult to > consistently pack a music club. > First off, the Stone Pony is one of very, very few clubs to be known around the world. Secondly, look at the "cities" you mention - NYC, Brookly, LA. -- how many millions of people do those areas have vs under 20,000 for Asbury Park. One of the reasons IT IS special is that many people compare it to places in cities with millions of people. Show me another small town with a venue that's known throughout the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Come on, you must be kidding. The sweedish tourist is not going to turn things around in Asbury. Besides he has a much better scene back home in Scandinavia. He has Black Metal. Asbury should go check out his scene. AAaarg! As the people who lived through the Stone Pony hay day die off, it will be forgotten. You can't preserve everything, nor should you. In 20 years, I hope people are not campaigning to preserve Great Adventure! They might say 'There are so many important memories here, and so many bands played here, it has historical significance etc. etc." How silly will they look? Tim > > If you get a chance, take a look at the Visitor Books a lot of > merchants have around town. The Visitor's Center on the Boardwalk in > the last 2 weeks has entries from Manchester, England, Houston, TX, > Los Angeles, & Unpronounceable, Sweden. Do you honestly think these > people flew halfway across the world to get their picture taken in > front of C8??? > > ---p://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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There is a 'Stone Pony' in every city in America. From CBGB's to Lamours in Brooklyn; to the Whiskey in LA. It is not such a unique thing. There is only one Liberty Bell and it has national significance not simply local significance. That's a terrible example. You should also notice that Clubs like Lamours are gone and CB's is strugling right now also. So they are all having similar problems. There is too many modes of entertainment it is difficult to consistently pack a music club. Tim --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does the Liberty Bell make a good profit in Philly? Does a zebra > crossing on Abbey Road in London generate enough revenue to cover > its maintenance? What a ridiculous question. My kids aren't exactly > covering their fair share of the mortgage or their food bills, but > I'm not throwing them out on the street because I'd make a better > profit renting their rooms out as a brothel. > > If you get a chance, take a look at the Visitor Books a lot of > merchants have around town. The Visitor's Center on the Boardwalk in > the last 2 weeks has entries from Manchester, England, Houston, TX, > Los Angeles, & Unpronounceable, Sweden. Do you honestly think these > people flew halfway across the world to get their picture taken in > front of C8??? > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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bluebiship, i know you wanted facts, but heres a comment. if the stone pony wasnt making a profit, i dont think it would have made it the last 30 years. it made enough to stay open. i know from 91 to 00 it was making pracitally nothing though, but the owners held on, in hopes of a turn around. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Hey BB, If you have the time, check out www.cdbaby.com. That should answer the question about who is making good rock'n'roll these days. It's not being made on the major labels nor played on the big radio stations. You have to go to the small venues and media. Now as for the potential question if these types of acts could somehow translate into a factor in AP's salvation ... maybe they can, maybe they can't. We can bat that ball back and forth forever and not get a satisfactory answer, although I'm sure someone like Scott Stamper at the Saint would have a positive spin on it. ~Heshy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gary said: > > "Guess you're not listening to the right stations... In my opinion > this is one of the greatest eras for music since the ability to make a > cd is within the hands of just about every artist in the world." > > In some ways that's good. I'm all for the rugged individual promoting > himself. On the other hand, music could end up damaged liked the > 1960's damaged art. Art lost all its standards. Suddenly anyone > putting a brush to canvass could claim to be an "artist" simply > because he was creating, even if what he was creating stunk. No > standards. Ask any artist when he actually became one and you won't > get an answer. If I can record any old noise on a CD am I a > musician? I don't think so, but in a standard less society, I'll be > able to say that I am. > > By the way Gary, I'm interested: What CD's are currently in your CD > changer right at this very moment? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Gary said: "Guess you're not listening to the right stations... In my opinion this is one of the greatest eras for music since the ability to make a cd is within the hands of just about every artist in the world." In some ways that's good. I'm all for the rugged individual promoting himself. On the other hand, music could end up damaged liked the 1960's damaged art. Art lost all its standards. Suddenly anyone putting a brush to canvass could claim to be an "artist" simply because he was creating, even if what he was creating stunk. No standards. Ask any artist when he actually became one and you won't get an answer. If I can record any old noise on a CD am I a musician? I don't think so, but in a standard less society, I'll be able to say that I am. By the way Gary, I'm interested: What CD's are currently in your CD changer right at this very moment? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
> That era in AP was awful. No one was ever hurt at the boat show, the > flower show, the ceramics show, etc. that were poplular here when I > was growing up. That's what we are going to see here again. Family > entertainment. Well I guess the battle will be Asbury Park versus Bradley Beach then. It's a shame because Asbury Park should be taking on places like Atlantic City. There is far more potential in AP than a boat show. When events can draw tens of thousands to an area in decay, imagine what they could bring to a beautifully redeveloped town? I guess there's a big difference in how people perceive tourism and Asbury's potential / role in tourism. > Besides: Anyone making any rock n roll worth hearing these days? > NOT. Guess you're not listening to the right stations... In my opinion this is one of the greatest eras for music since the ability to make a cd is within the hands of just about every artist in the world. There is far more good music being created today than at any time in the world - the trick is finding it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
JJ, Actually I don't disagree with you now that you're switching the discussion to other than for profit ownership. Let't be clear on one thing as we get further off the original topic though. I'm not saying that the Pony isn't, never was or couldn't still be profitable. This thread started with my question about whether anyone new if it in fact was profitable at any time. No one here seems to know for sure. Guesses only. I fielded some calls a few years back from 2 different entities that wanted to buy it. Turned out to be a no go. I actually tried to buy it myself at one point with a partner of mine, but a certain someone who was swearing in the newspaper that he was selling turned out actually not to be selling - at any price. Then a few short months later he did sell it. Go figure. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > JJ the assumption we were working under (which you started with > your > > Liberty Bell post) is a Stone Pony that loses money. Someone > still > > has to own it. Unless they are independantly wealthy and can > absorb > > the loss to keep it open for sentimental reasons, it makes no > sense > > for that owner to keep it. Business is business. Tillie is dead > > because no one could re-coup a $16 million investment with pinball > > machine quarters as a return. Economics rule (as it should). > > > No, Tillie is dead because the landowner has a lower tax obligation > on an empty lot than he has on land with improvements. Economics > rule. > > As far as "who should own the Pony if it was the Liberty Bell?" You > know the answer to that: it becomes a Common Good. (Please note, I > didn't say "Public Good", which would be the beaches, sidewalks, > and "Cobrahead" lights). I don't really feel like blowing the dust > off my Macro books to cite theories, but the typical response in > handling a Common Good is to set up a private foundation such as a > Homeowners Association, Merchant's Guild, National Trust, or any > other 501(c)4 organization to be the caretaker for the Common Good. > Do a little research on Lucy the Margate Elephant, for an example > of "Save CRUMMYOLDBUILDING" that works when you have a local > government that realizes they are merely custodians of the City's > treasures for the next generation. > > If you feel the Pony is better off dead than saved if not > profitable, do you feel the same regarding Convention Hall? Please > give me an example of a similar venue anywhere in NJ that is in > private hands? Apparently Asbury Partners is going to disprove > economic theories that have been around since Titus held his first > Gladiator Games in the Colosseum around AD 80. If I was a betting > man, my money would be on the dead guys. Heck, I AM a betting > man...anyone wanna lay odds? > > > As for all your Bruce facts, you forgot one: Bruce was never, > ever > > a booked act at the Pony. Not once. Not in the 70's, 80's or > 90's. > > The first time his name ever graced the marquee was in 2001 for a > > benefit show. > > > > I sure hope the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't find out about > > that little tid-bit. I always correct people when they claim the > > Pony launched Bruce or vice versa. > > > Technically, he was "launched" at the old YMCA in Freehold, but > we'll just build up these Asbury Park myths & get tourists spending > here before the Freehold Center Partnership figures out how to > market him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
If a tree falls in the woods, and Doubting Thomas isn't there to actually witness it, did it make a sound, or are you just going to go back and forth with him until you're banging your head against the wall? Your right, BB...nothing worth hearing. Too bad you can't build condos on Radio Waves. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Besides: Anyone making any rock n roll worth hearing these days? > NOT. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JJ the assumption we were working under (which you started with your > Liberty Bell post) is a Stone Pony that loses money. Someone still > has to own it. Unless they are independantly wealthy and can absorb > the loss to keep it open for sentimental reasons, it makes no sense > for that owner to keep it. Business is business. Tillie is dead > because no one could re-coup a $16 million investment with pinball > machine quarters as a return. Economics rule (as it should). > No, Tillie is dead because the landowner has a lower tax obligation on an empty lot than he has on land with improvements. Economics rule. As far as "who should own the Pony if it was the Liberty Bell?" You know the answer to that: it becomes a Common Good. (Please note, I didn't say "Public Good", which would be the beaches, sidewalks, and "Cobrahead" lights). I don't really feel like blowing the dust off my Macro books to cite theories, but the typical response in handling a Common Good is to set up a private foundation such as a Homeowners Association, Merchant's Guild, National Trust, or any other 501(c)4 organization to be the caretaker for the Common Good. Do a little research on Lucy the Margate Elephant, for an example of "Save CRUMMYOLDBUILDING" that works when you have a local government that realizes they are merely custodians of the City's treasures for the next generation. If you feel the Pony is better off dead than saved if not profitable, do you feel the same regarding Convention Hall? Please give me an example of a similar venue anywhere in NJ that is in private hands? Apparently Asbury Partners is going to disprove economic theories that have been around since Titus held his first Gladiator Games in the Colosseum around AD 80. If I was a betting man, my money would be on the dead guys. Heck, I AM a betting man...anyone wanna lay odds? > As for all your Bruce facts, you forgot one: Bruce was never, ever > a booked act at the Pony. Not once. Not in the 70's, 80's or 90's. > The first time his name ever graced the marquee was in 2001 for a > benefit show. > > I sure hope the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't find out about > that little tid-bit. I always correct people when they claim the > Pony launched Bruce or vice versa. > Technically, he was "launched" at the old YMCA in Freehold, but we'll just build up these Asbury Park myths & get tourists spending here before the Freehold Center Partnership figures out how to market him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>Kinda sounds like the recipe for a tourist town to me. It was less >than 15 >years ago that close to 100,000 people crammed the beach twice a >year for a >day of music on the beach sponsored by WNEW. Ask my friend the former AP Police Officer who is permenantly disabled because he was jumped ON DUTY by a mob of WNEW concertgoers if he thinks the WNEW concerts were a good idea. Ask the people that were severely injured that one year in the boardwalk stampede if they think the WNEW concerts were a good idea. That era in AP was awful. No one was ever hurt at the boat show, the flower show, the ceramics show, etc. that were poplular here when I was growing up. That's what we are going to see here again. Family entertainment. Besides: Anyone making any rock n roll worth hearing these days? NOT. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As for all your Bruce facts, you forgot one: Bruce was never, ever > > a booked act at the Pony. Not once. Not in the 70's, 80's or 90's. > > The first time his name ever graced the marquee was in 2001 for a > > benefit show. > > > > I sure hope the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't find out about > > that little tid-bit. I always correct people when they claim the > > Pony launched Bruce or vice versa. > > The fact that Bruce didn't get his start from the Stone Pony is a well known > one that somehow has gotten lost nationally as virtually every newspaper > article will make the mistake of mentioning it again; however, Bruce's > connection to the Stone Pony doesn't make a difference in how Asbury Park is > perceived around the world. > > The world associates Asbury Park with three things: the beach, the > boardwalk, and music. > > Kinda sounds like the recipe for a tourist town to me. It was less than 15 > years ago that close to 100,000 people crammed the beach twice a year for a > day of music on the beach sponsored by WNEW. Think it can't happen again? > How about 30-40,000 people coming to see Bruce Springsteen launch the Rising > on the Today Show in Asbury Park? Those people came from around the world - > not just from Monmouth County. > > Asbury Park is making a mistake, in my opinion, if they choose to abandon > its roots as a tourist destination. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
> As for all your Bruce facts, you forgot one: Bruce was never, ever > a booked act at the Pony. Not once. Not in the 70's, 80's or 90's. > The first time his name ever graced the marquee was in 2001 for a > benefit show. > > I sure hope the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't find out about > that little tid-bit. I always correct people when they claim the > Pony launched Bruce or vice versa. The fact that Bruce didn't get his start from the Stone Pony is a well known one that somehow has gotten lost nationally as virtually every newspaper article will make the mistake of mentioning it again; however, Bruce's connection to the Stone Pony doesn't make a difference in how Asbury Park is perceived around the world. The world associates Asbury Park with three things: the beach, the boardwalk, and music. Kinda sounds like the recipe for a tourist town to me. It was less than 15 years ago that close to 100,000 people crammed the beach twice a year for a day of music on the beach sponsored by WNEW. Think it can't happen again? How about 30-40,000 people coming to see Bruce Springsteen launch the Rising on the Today Show in Asbury Park? Those people came from around the world - not just from Monmouth County. Asbury Park is making a mistake, in my opinion, if they choose to abandon its roots as a tourist destination. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
JJ the assumption we were working under (which you started with your Liberty Bell post) is a Stone Pony that loses money. Someone still has to own it. Unless they are independantly wealthy and can absorb the loss to keep it open for sentimental reasons, it makes no sense for that owner to keep it. Business is business. Tillie is dead because no one could re-coup a $16 million investment with pinball machine quarters as a return. Economics rule (as it should). As for all your Bruce facts, you forgot one: Bruce was never, ever a booked act at the Pony. Not once. Not in the 70's, 80's or 90's. The first time his name ever graced the marquee was in 2001 for a benefit show. I sure hope the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't find out about that little tid-bit. I always correct people when they claim the Pony launched Bruce or vice versa. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I will make one point now based upon your post though. Assuming > > your Liberty Bell scenario, where the Pony doesn't make a profit > but > > draws tourists to the town, who then will own and operate a > business > > that loses money for the purpose of bringing in tourists so others > > can make money? You, Mr. Rockefeller? > > If I had the financial strength to buy the Pony, it's liquor > license, and it's legacy back in 1999 for the asking price of > $400,000, Dominic would have had a bidding war on his hands. If I > remember correctly, since that deal was signed in Feb '99, Bruce has > had 3 world tours, 5 annual series of Holiday concerts in Asbury, 2 > new studio albums, 2 concert DVDs, 2 Live Albums, and a Compilations > album. Would you agree that SOME people came to Asbury Park to see > the Pony because of Bruce? You think all these people would have > flocked to Ole's instead? > > Using the Liberty Bell example, again, I can list dozens of > businesses that draw tourists to towns that aren't getting their > fair cut of the pie. With apologies to a respected poster on this > board, I believe there is an author's restored house in Asbury Park > that fits this category. > > Did you ever buy a piece of art, or even better, get an autograph of > someone you admired? Did you do this because you expected it to go > up in value? I have autographs of about 50 baseball players from a > trip to Hank Aaron's enshrinement in Cooperstown in the early 80s, > and I could care less what they are worth. (Hmmm..I even remember > fondly the day my Dad drove me 8 hours up into Nowhere, NY. > Wow...nice racket Cooperstown has going). To me my autographs are a > connection to the past, a reminder that I met Joe DiMaggio & Ted > Williams, who both retired 20 years before I was born, and got a > smile from them. They are not for sale. They are scribblings on > cardboard to some people on this board, they are goldmines to some > others on this board, but they are mementoes of MY childhood, not > theirs. > > > > Also, considering Werner's post, wherein the new plan is > concededly > > residential and not for tourists (absolutely correct, and the > point > > most lost on people like Save Tillie, etc.), your concern for > > attracting tourists is misplaced. Our concern is a year-round > > economy supported by Monmouth County towns (a population larger > and > > wealthier than Boston). > > > And yet Boston has denied the Red Sox plans 5 years ago of tearing > down Fenway Park & rebuilding a modern 60,000 baseball stadium. What > the heck are those Bostonians thinking??? They'd increase ratables > by 50% just from shoving more people in their to watch the Red Sox > lose. Just because we are larger & wealthier, doesn't necessarily > make us smarter. History will judge that. > > > The Pony can stay or go and it won't make a bit of difference to > the > > redevelopment of Asbury Park. > > > > I disagree about the bit of difference. The Pony staying means the > difference between the other businesses surviving or ridiculously > thriving. You grew up in Asbury Park, so you probably know who > Arthur Pryor was. I have no freaking clue who he is, and if you told > me he was Richard's dad, I'd believe you. You take away that > bandshell, and Arthur Pryor fades away with the memories of the > Greatest Generation & Trivial Pursuit players. > > I remember the day an Asbury Park Historian (who certifies these > people anyways?) who also runs a law practice told me the story of > the Mayfair being torn down. I think the Mayfair would have an > easier job of seperating this tourist from his suburban cash than an > antique shop or an ethnic restaurant. > > You take away the Pony, and my kids (who in all likelihood will > think Bruce is a dork just because their dad listens to him) have > absolutely no reason to visit Asbury Park instead of Br
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will make one point now based upon your post though. Assuming > your Liberty Bell scenario, where the Pony doesn't make a profit but > draws tourists to the town, who then will own and operate a business > that loses money for the purpose of bringing in tourists so others > can make money? You, Mr. Rockefeller? If I had the financial strength to buy the Pony, it's liquor license, and it's legacy back in 1999 for the asking price of $400,000, Dominic would have had a bidding war on his hands. If I remember correctly, since that deal was signed in Feb '99, Bruce has had 3 world tours, 5 annual series of Holiday concerts in Asbury, 2 new studio albums, 2 concert DVDs, 2 Live Albums, and a Compilations album. Would you agree that SOME people came to Asbury Park to see the Pony because of Bruce? You think all these people would have flocked to Ole's instead? Using the Liberty Bell example, again, I can list dozens of businesses that draw tourists to towns that aren't getting their fair cut of the pie. With apologies to a respected poster on this board, I believe there is an author's restored house in Asbury Park that fits this category. Did you ever buy a piece of art, or even better, get an autograph of someone you admired? Did you do this because you expected it to go up in value? I have autographs of about 50 baseball players from a trip to Hank Aaron's enshrinement in Cooperstown in the early 80s, and I could care less what they are worth. (Hmmm..I even remember fondly the day my Dad drove me 8 hours up into Nowhere, NY. Wow...nice racket Cooperstown has going). To me my autographs are a connection to the past, a reminder that I met Joe DiMaggio & Ted Williams, who both retired 20 years before I was born, and got a smile from them. They are not for sale. They are scribblings on cardboard to some people on this board, they are goldmines to some others on this board, but they are mementoes of MY childhood, not theirs. > > Also, considering Werner's post, wherein the new plan is concededly > residential and not for tourists (absolutely correct, and the point > most lost on people like Save Tillie, etc.), your concern for > attracting tourists is misplaced. Our concern is a year-round > economy supported by Monmouth County towns (a population larger and > wealthier than Boston). > And yet Boston has denied the Red Sox plans 5 years ago of tearing down Fenway Park & rebuilding a modern 60,000 baseball stadium. What the heck are those Bostonians thinking??? They'd increase ratables by 50% just from shoving more people in their to watch the Red Sox lose. Just because we are larger & wealthier, doesn't necessarily make us smarter. History will judge that. > The Pony can stay or go and it won't make a bit of difference to the > redevelopment of Asbury Park. > I disagree about the bit of difference. The Pony staying means the difference between the other businesses surviving or ridiculously thriving. You grew up in Asbury Park, so you probably know who Arthur Pryor was. I have no freaking clue who he is, and if you told me he was Richard's dad, I'd believe you. You take away that bandshell, and Arthur Pryor fades away with the memories of the Greatest Generation & Trivial Pursuit players. I remember the day an Asbury Park Historian (who certifies these people anyways?) who also runs a law practice told me the story of the Mayfair being torn down. I think the Mayfair would have an easier job of seperating this tourist from his suburban cash than an antique shop or an ethnic restaurant. You take away the Pony, and my kids (who in all likelihood will think Bruce is a dork just because their dad listens to him) have absolutely no reason to visit Asbury Park instead of Bradley Beach in 20 years. There's no hope of any amusements aside from an arcade, so the City has already lost the under 16 crowd. This Redevelopment is sacrifiicing Asbury's future revenue streams in return for a quick fix solution to make the town not appear empty. > There I said it. The Pony doesn't matter. Ok, please make a single > file line to beat me up. Don't all pile on at once. It's called an opinion, and personally I respect it, even if I disagree with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>What a ridiculous question. I wasn't trying to make a point with the question, JJ. Sorry! The question was probative because I didn't know the answer. That's all. I will make one point now based upon your post though. Assuming your Liberty Bell scenario, where the Pony doesn't make a profit but draws tourists to the town, who then will own and operate a business that loses money for the purpose of bringing in tourists so others can make money? You, Mr. Rockefeller? Also, considering Werner's post, wherein the new plan is concededly residential and not for tourists (absolutely correct, and the point most lost on people like Save Tillie, etc.), your concern for attracting tourists is misplaced. Our concern is a year-round economy supported by Monmouth County towns (a population larger and wealthier than Boston). The Pony can stay or go and it won't make a bit of difference to the redevelopment of Asbury Park. There I said it. The Pony doesn't matter. Ok, please make a single file line to beat me up. Don't all pile on at once. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> If you get a chance, take a look at the Visitor Books a lot of > merchants have around town. The Visitor's Center on the Boardwalk in > the last 2 weeks has entries from Manchester, England, Houston, TX, > Los Angeles, & Unpronounceable, Sweden. Do you honestly think these > people flew halfway across the world to get their picture taken in > front of C8??? And that's exactly why the city should seek ways to capitalize on music tourism. Asbury Park has become known throughout the world for music. Why anyone wouldn't want to take advantage of that history is beyond me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Does the Liberty Bell make a good profit in Philly? Does a zebra crossing on Abbey Road in London generate enough revenue to cover its maintenance? What a ridiculous question. My kids aren't exactly covering their fair share of the mortgage or their food bills, but I'm not throwing them out on the street because I'd make a better profit renting their rooms out as a brothel. If you get a chance, take a look at the Visitor Books a lot of merchants have around town. The Visitor's Center on the Boardwalk in the last 2 weeks has entries from Manchester, England, Houston, TX, Los Angeles, & Unpronounceable, Sweden. Do you honestly think these people flew halfway across the world to get their picture taken in front of C8??? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wondering: Did the Pony ever make a good profit? Butch owned > it first I beleive, and I assume he didn't make it because it did > close. I don't recall who if anyone owned it between Butch and > Dominic. Don't know if Dominic made any money with it either. > > Nightclubs in general are tough. Most don't last. Anyone have any > real facts (not opinion) about whether the Pony was really ever > profitable? > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > a fire trap? its no worse then any other place > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
He changed the name, briefly, to Vinyl, but it was the Pony for some time and I do believe it made money under Nasar, at least for a time. They were booking different acts than were booked when Butch and Jack owned it; saw Soul Asylum, the Ramones, Courtney Love, etc. there, and those were all big shows. It was during that period that they started doing the outdoor shows after Mrs. Jay's had closed and they took over that area. I think it was called the "Stone Pony Big Top," at one point. Jean -Original Message-From: bluebishop82 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:28:47 -0000Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER I forgot about that! What was the name he changed it to? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/12/05 5:18 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just wondering: Did the Pony ever make a good profit? Butch owned > > it first I beleive, and I assume he didn't make it because it did > > close. I don't recall who if anyone owned it between Butch and > > Dominic. Don't know if Dominic made any money with it either. > > > > Nightclubs in general are tough. Most don't last. Anyone have any > > real facts (not opinion) about whether the Pony was really ever > > profitable? > > > > People who had access to the books swear that Butch didn't close because the > club wasn't making money. They said it was making a TON of money in those > days. There were other problems. > > And there was an owner between Butch and Dominic. A guy from Ocean Twp; > Steve Nassar I think was the name. He was the guy that wound up changing > the Pony's name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM">Click Here! ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
I forgot about that! What was the name he changed it to? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/12/05 5:18 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just wondering: Did the Pony ever make a good profit? Butch owned > > it first I beleive, and I assume he didn't make it because it did > > close. I don't recall who if anyone owned it between Butch and > > Dominic. Don't know if Dominic made any money with it either. > > > > Nightclubs in general are tough. Most don't last. Anyone have any > > real facts (not opinion) about whether the Pony was really ever > > profitable? > > > > People who had access to the books swear that Butch didn't close because the > club wasn't making money. They said it was making a TON of money in those > days. There were other problems. > > And there was an owner between Butch and Dominic. A guy from Ocean Twp; > Steve Nassar I think was the name. He was the guy that wound up changing > the Pony's name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
On 8/12/05 5:18 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wondering: Did the Pony ever make a good profit? Butch owned > it first I beleive, and I assume he didn't make it because it did > close. I don't recall who if anyone owned it between Butch and > Dominic. Don't know if Dominic made any money with it either. > > Nightclubs in general are tough. Most don't last. Anyone have any > real facts (not opinion) about whether the Pony was really ever > profitable? > People who had access to the books swear that Butch didn't close because the club wasn't making money. They said it was making a TON of money in those days. There were other problems. And there was an owner between Butch and Dominic. A guy from Ocean Twp; Steve Nassar I think was the name. He was the guy that wound up changing the Pony's name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Just wondering: Did the Pony ever make a good profit? Butch owned it first I beleive, and I assume he didn't make it because it did close. I don't recall who if anyone owned it between Butch and Dominic. Don't know if Dominic made any money with it either. Nightclubs in general are tough. Most don't last. Anyone have any real facts (not opinion) about whether the Pony was really ever profitable? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a fire trap? its no worse then any other place > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
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[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
"have you ever thought that they might be trying to fail with the stone pony, so as to get their own agenda flowing?" Ever thought that they have no more experience running a historic, world renowned music venue/bar than they have as `Master Developers' of real estate? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > have you ever thought that they might be trying to fail with the stone pony, > so as to get their own agenda flowing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
It'A firetrap, should be demo'd and rebuilt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
The "DEAL" is that is the Pony gets to stay where it is and not face condemnation by eminent domain unless it closes and ceases to operate for a period of 6 months or more. The issue is that the 'master developer' now owns the Pony and technically could close it himself for 6 months and then demolish it without sanction. More condo space. :-( Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > have you ever thought that they might be trying to fail with the stone pony, > so as to get their own agenda flowing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
