[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Not going to belabor the point. Someone was replying to me and the poster's name was edited out. I repeat, I did not post the portion I included because you seem to attribute that opinion to me. I know the Long Branch Thornton's well. The name, Thornton is usually attributed to the LB Thornton's, so I don't know you. I said I know the family, (Long Branch) and should have been more specific. Know something? I DON'T think all of the posters here are white or that they are racist, either. Just like you, feel free to give your opinion. When you reply, make sure you mention, just who it is you're addressing, else wise, it's assumed you're replying to the poster, which was me. If you reply specifically to me, I may/may not reply. If you have an ax to grind, do so. If you rum a program, good for you, but if you're paid to do this, it's your employment. I asked about Asbury Works, the one program after it started, we heard no more about. I never inquired about the shooting. If it was published in the Coaster, it's been a while. Haven't read anything about it or seen it in either newspaper. You need to learn how to edit and proofread. Do me a favor, don't reply. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Ramona ramonicoshay@... wrote: Wow! ... Did I post it in the wrong spot? No it was attributed to you. I was answering the group itself ... Questions about the shooting, about Springwood Ave, and about the job program. It has been publicized.. in the coaster .. in the press .. and even in the Asbury Blog! We don't boast for a purpose but we are well known where it counts ... with those that need help. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: #1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me! THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Wasn't Oak Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:29:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 15 years, knock wood and I live such a corny, square life, that unless I read the papers or watch the news, I wouldn't have a clue. When I think about it, all of the people I know are pretty much like myself. After you've reached about 50, you begin to reassess your life. I'm good. The only thing I miss is being around other adults, like a Senior Center. I rant and rave in this group, but seriously, I'm a corn ball! Some of you call certain groups undeserving names out of their despair to lash out for real or perceived injustices. Police brutality, profiling, lack of opportunity and other disparities lead to persons getting involved in gangs, where they discuss the disparities. Why? Deprivation is why. This country speaks of democracy but it isn't here for all. Depravity leads to depression and drug dependency that leads to some to take their anger out on otherwise innocent bystanders. Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Hi Ramona, I wouldn't take Sharon's response personally. She often confuses who the posters are and replies back to the wrong party. Your post was very informative and much appreciated. John 6th Ave ps: this is our 4th year in AP and my family coudn't be happier, however we are not blind to challenges this community faces. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Ramona ramonicoshay@... wrote: Wow! ... Did I post it in the wrong spot? No it was attributed to you. I was answering the group itself ... Questions about the shooting, about Springwood Ave, and about the job program. It has been publicized.. in the coaster .. in the press .. and even in the Asbury Blog! We don't boast for a purpose but we are well known where it counts ... with those that need help. I didn't think I was ranting I was answering all the assumptions. As far as following the group .. why not? I appreciate all the ideas and opinions everyone has but now everyone seems ANGRY all of a sudden, all of the comments about white vs. black etc I finally decide to take the chance and join in ... and I'm getting blasted! Sorry I don't remember or recognize the name and I have been involved since 2006. If you still want to be a part ... invitation is still open. Let me help you out. I am black, if you need me to get technical Black and Indian. I have lived and worked in town since 2005. I use to live in town in my 20's .. rented from Walter Wester if you need a reference. I am raising 2 children here. Can't really answer for my family and their thoughts about Asbury .. but my father, aunt, uncle all live in town too. Long Branch Thornton's are my relatives too but I am not that close with them. As for my mindset that is your personal opinion and your entitled to it. I won't let it stop me from doing my part in moving Asbury Forward. Thank you for the encouragement and yes I will put my full name again. Ramona Thornton --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: #1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me! Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? Furthurmore, who are you addressing? Why isn't what you're doing publicized? You say you're following the group. Why? You reply to ME, then go on
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Speak for yourself, because you don't speak for me. What am I confused about? I'm not confused about you at all! If you have a beef with me, say so. Just leave me OUT of your comments. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@... wrote: Hi Ramona, I wouldn't take Sharon's response personally. She often confuses who the posters are and replies back to the wrong party. Your post was very informative and much appreciated. John 6th Ave ps: this is our 4th year in AP and my family coudn't be happier, however we are not blind to challenges this community faces. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Ramona ramonicoshay@ wrote: Wow! ... Did I post it in the wrong spot? No it was attributed to you. I was answering the group itself ... Questions about the shooting, about Springwood Ave, and about the job program. It has been publicized.. in the coaster .. in the press .. and even in the Asbury Blog! We don't boast for a purpose but we are well known where it counts ... with those that need help. I didn't think I was ranting I was answering all the assumptions. As far as following the group .. why not? I appreciate all the ideas and opinions everyone has but now everyone seems ANGRY all of a sudden, all of the comments about white vs. black etc I finally decide to take the chance and join in ... and I'm getting blasted! Sorry I don't remember or recognize the name and I have been involved since 2006. If you still want to be a part ... invitation is still open. Let me help you out. I am black, if you need me to get technical Black and Indian. I have lived and worked in town since 2005. I use to live in town in my 20's .. rented from Walter Wester if you need a reference. I am raising 2 children here. Can't really answer for my family and their thoughts about Asbury .. but my father, aunt, uncle all live in town too. Long Branch Thornton's are my relatives too but I am not that close with them. As for my mindset that is your personal opinion and your entitled to it. I won't let it stop me from doing my part in moving Asbury Forward. Thank you for the encouragement and yes I will put my full name again. Ramona Thornton --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: #1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me! Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
#1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me! Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? Furthurmore, who are you addressing? Why isn't what you're doing publicized? You say you're following the group. Why? You reply to ME, then go on a rant? I at least identify myself as a Woman of color. Who are YOU? Yes, I remember Asbury Works and all I could remember was Tamara, forget her last name and I assumed the program went belly up like everything around here. I was involved in the initial start up of AW but I've had health issues, dropped out of posting for almost a year, but you at least identified yourself, which some posters DON'T do and the only time they post something is when they've been thrown off a board, lose an election or have some assinine comment that turn most of us off! We're in this group because we LIVE here, we WORK here and have seen Asbury Park go down the drain from developers that want to turn AP into South Beach Florida or SoHo South! You have a mindset that tells me, you work here, but either don't live here but like most NJ natives, because I think I know your family, think their home, example: Long Branch, Red Bank,'Belmar, et.al., think THEIR hometown is way better. That might be true, but we here are ONLY interested in what gets Asbury Park moving forward! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Ramona ramonicoshay@... wrote: Hello Everyone, My name is Ramona Thornton and I am the program manager for the jobs program, its leadership has changed many hands, but the program manager is still trying to make a difference. I have been watching this board for quite some time now. I think I can shed some light on a couple of issues that have been coming up recently. First of all I don't see any racist people on this group I only see frustrated intelligent individuals that are having problems wrapping their minds around so many problems in a 1 mile town. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Wow! ... Did I post it in the wrong spot? No it was attributed to you. I was answering the group itself ... Questions about the shooting, about Springwood Ave, and about the job program. It has been publicized.. in the coaster .. in the press .. and even in the Asbury Blog! We don't boast for a purpose but we are well known where it counts ... with those that need help. I didn't think I was ranting I was answering all the assumptions. As far as following the group .. why not? I appreciate all the ideas and opinions everyone has but now everyone seems ANGRY all of a sudden, all of the comments about white vs. black etc I finally decide to take the chance and join in ... and I'm getting blasted! Sorry I don't remember or recognize the name and I have been involved since 2006. If you still want to be a part ... invitation is still open. Let me help you out. I am black, if you need me to get technical Black and Indian. I have lived and worked in town since 2005. I use to live in town in my 20's .. rented from Walter Wester if you need a reference. I am raising 2 children here. Can't really answer for my family and their thoughts about Asbury .. but my father, aunt, uncle all live in town too. Long Branch Thornton's are my relatives too but I am not that close with them. As for my mindset that is your personal opinion and your entitled to it. I won't let it stop me from doing my part in moving Asbury Forward. Thank you for the encouragement and yes I will put my full name again. Ramona Thornton --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: #1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me! Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? Furthurmore, who are you addressing? Why isn't what you're doing publicized? You say you're following the group. Why? You reply to ME, then go on a rant? I at least identify myself as a Woman of color. Who are YOU? Yes, I remember Asbury Works and all I could remember was Tamara, forget her last name and I assumed the program went belly up like everything around here. I was involved in the initial start up of AW but I've had health issues, dropped out of posting for almost a year, but you at least identified yourself, which some posters DON'T do and the only time they post something is when they've been thrown off a board, lose an
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Is this group really that bent on color now? I don't understand why this is an issue... I also thought that this group was not only for people who currently live in Asbury Park, but anyone who has concerns about it and loves the town. Since we're posting online, and don't see one another (unless anyone knows another outside of this group), we don't see what one another look like, which really shouldn't matter. So, here's me. I currently live in Charleston, SC I grew up on Unami Ave in Wanamassa, just a few blocks from the Sunset Bridge. I spent much of my youth at or near the Asbury boardwalk. I lived as a young adult in Asbury, at 301 Sunset (the beige/brown house on the corner of, I think, Webb) I have always loved the character and architecture of Asbury Park, and have always greatly wished for it to become safe and restored to its original beauty I miss Asbury Park, and wish that it were safe (and affordable) for me to move back there. I still think of this area as home Oh, and for those of you who are really particular about what color someone's skin is, I happen to be white. Personally, I could care less what your skin looks like as long as you are a decent person. That's me. Anything else you want to know, please ask. I'm on this group because I care about this city. I miss it, too. Namaste~ Jenni -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramona Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:21 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? Wow! ... Did I post it in the wrong spot? No it was attributed to you. I was answering the group itself ... Questions about the shooting, about Springwood Ave, and about the job program. It has been publicized.. in the coaster .. in the press .. and even in the Asbury Blog! We don't boast for a purpose but we are well known where it counts ... with those that need help. I didn't think I was ranting I was answering all the assumptions. As far as following the group .. why not? I appreciate all the ideas and opinions everyone has but now everyone seems ANGRY all of a sudden, all of the comments about white vs. black etc I finally decide to take the chance and join in ... and I'm getting blasted! Sorry I don't remember or recognize the name and I have been involved since 2006. If you still want to be a part ... invitation is still open. Let me help you out. I am black, if you need me to get technical Black and Indian. I have lived and worked in town since 2005. I use to live in town in my 20's .. rented from Walter Wester if you need a reference. I am raising 2 children here. Can't really answer for my family and their thoughts about Asbury .. but my father, aunt, uncle all live in town too. Long Branch Thornton's are my relatives too but I am not that close with them. As for my mindset that is your personal opinion and your entitled to it. I won't let it stop me from doing my part in moving Asbury Forward. Thank you for the encouragement and yes I will put my full name again. Ramona Thornton --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: #1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me! Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I think your ideas are wonderful. What happened to the Jobs program Asbury had. I don't see anyone working with the contractor that has the West Side Contract for the Senior Center, matter of fact, every time I pass there, no one is working! Your ideas are great and workable. I hate to say it, but the only time anything/programs for the poor/underclass/uneducated/at risk in this community, is when an incident takes place. Social problems in this community get glared at, because the powers that be don't heed the warnings. Know why I don't partake in the fireworks? Because I don't want to be around potential trouble. I'd be a statistic, if anything happened. I can't run, so I stay far away from potential violence. City Hall had better take heed BEFORE something or someone get hurt! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hello Everyone, My name is Ramona Thornton and I am the program manager for the jobs program, its leadership has changed many hands, but the program manager is still trying to make a difference. I have been watching this board for quite some time now. I think I can shed some light on a couple of issues that have been coming up recently. First of all I don't see any racist people on this group I only see frustrated intelligent individuals that are having problems wrapping their minds around so many problems in a 1 mile town. Someone wise said once .. don't bring the problem to the table without bringing the start of the solution! (My Grandmother at her dinner table!) So here goes The Jobs program in Asbury WAS alive and well through an initiative called the Construction Connection. Supported by the City and the Resource Center in Asbury Park. The city has sponsored 28 people through this connection. Interfaith Neighbors has sponsored 2 that are currently working on the Springwood Center and have been since the beginning. I am going to tell a story now about 2 them Approximately a year ago there was a meeting at city hall for anyone who was interested in a weatherization/construction training program sponsored by the DCA. We went into Neptune and Asbury Park to inform the residents of this opportunity ... pack filled rooms .. but they needed to have a certain grade level (it was not 12th grade either), get a hold of their HS Diploma, demonstrate by action that they were serious about this opportunity and have an obtainable license (If they had a suspended license because of fines and if the number was low enough that they could obtain a valid license within 1 or 2 paychecks they were not excluded). We identified ONE HUNDRED and EIGHTEEN eligible residents ... only HALF came to be interviewed by the training team ... they were drug tested ... only ONE came up dirty. We had the training facility MOVED from Freehold to LONG BRANCH because of transportation issues ... TWENTY showed up the first day of class. TWELVE showed up the second day of class ... and that 12 graduated. 118 to 12 ... WOW ... Among them were the 2 individuals that are working on the Springwood Avenue project . We monitor our recommendations to businesses on a weekly basis ... NO problems were reported ... they weren't late ... they weren't disrespectful ... they went on to get several certificates .. so they could continue to work on the project. The young men have families ... brand new babies ...not baby mama's but families. One works out regularly at the PAL on his promising boxing career. The other WAS successfully completing the steps to become a city fireman, passed the written test, passed the physical, he was also the individual that was shot in the head last week! He was coming home from work .. he was ACROSS the STREET when the ruckus started ... he was hit by a stray bullet! He is ok came out of the hospital yesterday, but has a lot of physical therapy to do so he can continue on his path to becoming a fireman. He came by the office yesterday, to tell me thank you and he understood if his job couldn't be held ... I assured him his job is waiting for him ... be strong ... get better .. and we will work it out. I say this because the Resource Center was Asbury Works (which didn't turn out so good) ... turned over to the Housing Authority (which didn't turn out so good) ... and now the program manager is starting up again ... because people like Keshawn and Darryl and the 28 others in the Construction Connection ... and the 45 graduates from the Best Foot Forward Program (paid work experience from the DOL with 37 documented positive exits! (positive exit means one of the following happened... increase in education level and/or getting a GED, unsubsidized employment, attendance in a secondary school ) deserve someone who will stop saying ... somebody ought to do something ... to some people who will show them HOW ... Our case management team is small .. we do what we can ... we ignore those who call up and say ... have you got a job for me yet? ... and work with the ones who actually show up more than once every three months and put the work in. Funding is a big issue .. grants are practically non existent for small non-profits (but readily available to the big national ones) and they will get even slimmer by next year. We have reached out to other businesses, and we understand the feedback of their fears and concerns ... so we initiated monitors not mentors ... monitors and if you have a problem with someone that was recommended to you .. you have options ... we don't guarantee we warranty our recommendations. If you choose the option to fire them ... we document it ... if we can't remedy the problem with the participant .. they aren't recommended again. I have been involved with the problem since 2006 and I have learned that it is generational! When asked what their future plans are ... they have no
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Ok. So I'm back. Nice to see someone that has been watching this board step up tell us something meaningful. One of the major problem is, as I see it, you have to remove some of the barriers -at least that of education level to at least get started. The transportation issue is another. Shouldn't exist either. Either vouchers for NJ coast, bus or the program has to provide some kind of shuttle service. That's why I see Meriidan Health (Jersey Shore) or Robert Wood (Monmouth Medical ) as tow of the areas largest employers that must be major supporters and participants in programs. You have quite a few other groups in AP - chamber of commerce , theatre group, the fire dept, several banks VNA. Same with the city. I can bet you half of those without educational level just might some kind of computer skill - they either know or don't know they do. I'd love to convert the building at 1411 memorial drive to support a REAL training center - not a hang out, not a soup kitchen - but an option for anyone interested in improving their life - in any line of work. You have several large organization that are multi-million operations - REStore under Habitat, Salvation Army to name two. I have my thoughts, and I'll keep them in my head - for now. Jewish Children Family services( not jsut for jews), United way You can train a secretary. You can train someone to swing a hammer. You can train someone to fix a car or computer or work at the home depot or make a career in the medical field. You also have monmouth university, brookdale - both very large employers. Not sure if I might help out or commit - but I'm flexible on Tues and Wednesday eve/late afternoons. Thank you for response. At least some more people may now understand the problem you face as the admin and the problems those face looking for help. Did anyone setup a fund to help the kid that got shot?? Wondering. PS. I think I found a winner. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank you for your response. I have been in the trenches for a minute and know from experience the results. We have tried to initiate a program with Meridian Health ... we worked with Wendy and Wayne.Problem was the process background check took forever, scheduling for shots and exams was also lengthy. We had 5 participants by the time they were cleared for work we only had 2 left ... one obtained their physical therapy license and is working as a therapist. The other was a senior in high school, gave up an opportunity to play in Italy for the summer for the experience to work with the morgue but due to program funding we were not able to link her with further education. As you know Great Adventure is a major employer in the area ... we have asked for several summers now that they initiate a shuttle from our area to help the residents get summer employment. They said no ... apparently they tried it before my time in town (I've been back since 2006) an incident occurred ... and well you know the results ... the only way area residents can get to GA is to take the bus from the Transportation Center to Freehold to catch the GA Shuttle... this would make the commute unreasonable ... few have tried only to find out that their scheduled work hours in the park were not favorable to the pickup times and also increased their commute time. We have worked with the Fire Department the fire chief asked us to attend an outreach to the residents for training with the fire department ... same story .. packed room .. we offered educational training to help them pass ... 3 applied ... 1 - Keshawn is the only one I know of who pursued this interest. We have worked with the banks ... they require a certain amount of training at their training facility ... most of facilities are in Lakewood / up north or some other not easily accessible spot unless you have a car. We have worked with RESTORE for a training program to refinish and restore furniture .. it was in collaboration with the High School and as you can imagine .. that didn't turn out too well. Brookdale - moved out of Asbury and went to Neptune .. offered free GED classes .. to make a long story short we called them to let THEM KNOW that they were suppose to setting up classes ... results ... moved the program to Long Branch. United Way - brings a lot to the table ... but it's not what is needed at first ... and they are difficult to open a dialogue with. It has taken the team a lot of years and a lot of aspirin to gain the respect of these individuals where we can go up them and point blank tell them to pull their pants up ... fix your hair and yes you will take ALL the tests and participate in the all the required sessions (1. TABE which is the Adult Basic Education Test / 2. Kiersey Temperament Test / 3. Career Assessment Test / 4. Not really a test but we ask them to give us a written statement of where they would like to be, or what they want to achieve) BEFORE we even begin to help you ...we don't refuse anyone .. but we aren't afraid to say NO .. you approached the situation wrong (we tell them what they did wrong and why) ... go home .. and try again tomorrow. The team operates with this thought in mind ... We have ONE strategy to move anyone, in any situation, through the stages of: CONFUSION (because most of the time they just don't know HOW to get out of something) to ORDER (THINK about approaching your problem differently because your solutions didn't work too good the first time!) to EXCELLENCE (when they reach this stage the disbelief in astounding!) We believe you cannot send the majority of participants in our database to any other program, initiative, training etc .. until they have gone though our basic program which might take them 6 months (the pace is up to them) because they don't have the mental skill-set to withstand what obstacles can come their way! They drop out the program within 2 months time! Again, Thank you for listening and we are working on a benefit for Keashawn. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Ok. So I'm back. Nice to see someone that has been watching this board step up tell us something meaningful. One of the major problem is, as I see it, you have to remove some of the barriers -at least that of education level to at least get started. The transportation issue is another. Shouldn't exist either. Either vouchers for NJ coast, bus or the program has to provide some kind of shuttle service. That's why I see Meriidan Health (Jersey Shore) or Robert Wood (Monmouth Medical ) as tow of the areas largest employers that must be major supporters and participants in programs. You have quite a few other groups in AP - chamber of commerce , theatre group, the fire dept, several banks VNA. Same with the city. I can bet you half of those without educational level just might some kind of computer skill - they
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 15 years, knock wood and I live such a corny, square life, that unless I read the papers or watch the news, I wouldn't have a clue. When I think about it, all of the people I know are pretty much like myself. After you've reached about 50, you begin to reassess your life. I'm good. The only thing I miss is being around other adults, like a Senior Center. I rant and rave in this group, but seriously, I'm a corn ball! Some of you call certain groups undeserving names out of their despair to lash out for real or perceived injustices. Police brutality, profiling, lack of opportunity and other disparities lead to persons getting involved in gangs, where they discuss the disparities. Why? Deprivation is why. This country speaks of democracy but it isn't here for all. Depravity leads to depression and drug dependency that leads to some to take their anger out on otherwise innocent bystanders. Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 15 years, knock wood and I live such a corny, square life, that unless I read the papers or watch the news, I wouldn't have a clue. When I think about it, all of the people I know are pretty much like myself. After you've reached about 50, you begin to reassess your life. I'm good. The only thing I miss is being around other adults, like a Senior Center. I rant and rave in this group, but seriously, I'm a corn ball! Some of you call certain groups undeserving names out of their despair to lash out for real or perceived injustices. Police brutality, profiling, lack of opportunity and other disparities lead to persons getting involved in gangs, where they discuss the disparities. Why? Deprivation is why. This country speaks of democracy but it isn't here for all. Depravity leads to depression and drug dependency that leads to some to take their anger out on otherwise innocent bystanders. Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Those homes are condemned, well a lot of them are at least No. The feds spent about $100 million rehabbing them all - from top to bottom. THEN knocked them down. There was that fear of over crowded schools or creating a community of affordable housing. People still don't understand the words affordable housing vs low income housing. My sister is finally putting an offer on a house in OT. She's 41. The house is going for $215 and we put an offer in lower. She HAS to get in lower to be able to afford to live there. Single, no kids and has a good job with the county for just above $50k year. Since the banks are no longer giving out loans just because - you more or less have to have 20% down (so with it all, you need $45,000 down on a $200,000 purchase). That leaves a mortgage of around $145,000. So the payment of $900 perm monththen add in property taxes - close to $500 per month - add in the basics - sewer tax of $40 month, water, gas, electric. Then all the rest - food, gas, medical, dental,pet food, clothing, phone and tv. She had her list and kept it real limited. Add to that she has a near perfect credit score. That's her. But what if she askedwhat if something happens what if..the kitchen is old, the roof if old, the walls are ugly, the driveway is cracked, the windows are old... But I told her, it has 3 bedrooms and room you can get 4. I also told if it doesn't work out, she can always rent it out as a section 8 rental. Easily get $1800 month. So that's the agony of trying to BUY OWN AND LOVE and AFFORD a home here in NJ, while you're employed with perfect credit. Welcome to NJ. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Jack I don't think the SPCA will do much until you see a dead animal on the property. Since the owner is providing food and shelter to these cats, they are not technically feral. If you do see one who seems dead or close to it, you could call the police for animal neglect/abuse That house smells like ass all the time, especially if its a windy day Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:34:35 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Actually, the SPCA sent out a vehicle and they picked up the sick cat. This was about 2 years ago. As for the house, I don't understand how the owner gets away with leaving it in that condition. When a few cracks developed on my sidewalk last year, code inforcement contacted my landlord and he made repairs within days. How could they notice our minor sidewalk issue and completely ignore what's turning into a serious health hazard as well as an animal abuse issue? Is it possible that the owner has some kind of connection to somebody in the city that helps her avoid attention? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Jack I don't think the SPCA will do much until you see a dead animal on the property. Since the owner is providing food and shelter to these cats, they are not technically feral. If you do see one who seems dead or close to it, you could call the police for animal neglect/abuse That house smells like ass all the time, especially if its a windy day Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:34:35 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I was speaking more in terms of perception. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. That's a fallacy. I gave a report to certain councilman years ago who now resides in Spring Lake. The study found that the moving out of the poor does not happen at a faster velocity in a gentrifying neighborhood than it does in a similar non gentrifying neighborhood. What does differ is the ability to reenter the neighborhood that is undergoing gentrification. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I would take pictures of it and put pressure on the city to demolish it and put a lien for the demolition costs on the property. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: I would take pictures of it and put pressure on the city to demolish it and put a lien for the demolition costs on the property. Put a bigger memory card in. And spend three hours driving ALL around. Start with the boarded up apartments next to Jack's as well. That mess. the city needs to bring in some temp code enforcement officials. Spend one week planning and another week blanketing the city. Start on the boardwalk and work west. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Where did the money that the Federal Government keeps sending here and never reach those it was intended for? I'll bet no one on the Council can account for lost millions that the late Assemblyman Smith brought to this area. He TOLD me this! My daughter HAD a business on Cookman Ave., next to the old Jay Davids store. Who cares whether someone is Gay or straight? Why do you bring this up? One thing I'm not is anti-gay, so why do you bring this up? I don't have a clue as to what AP does with our taxed to death dollars! You tell me! I'm FOR gentrification. Asbury authorities brag when a new business opens, but it's not through THEIR effort! It looks like good PR. Where's Affordable Housing for those stuck in that dreadful situation that passes for public housing? Long Branch has a rule that if you allow a criminal to live you, you get evicted! All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! So you're a good guy right? Are you anti-gay or something? You seem to be on a rant about them. Many of those homes had absentee landlords, living elsewhere and couldn't give a hoot about AP. Murnick that owns the Munroe Towers owned the lot across the street, the old Bond St. School. Bought the lot from the City for $139K, sat on the property for 10 years undeveloped. The City bought it back through eminent domain, paid him the 139K, fair market value and now the Thurgood Marshall School is there! Finally a Senior Center is being built but the neighborhood over there is surrounded by eyesores! I was a member of the Board of Adjustment when all of this was going on. Mid nineties. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: The question should be: Should the city have remained a run down wasteland it was? How many of you actually had a business in AP during those years? I did. The city, state, feds and general public had a great opportunity as did every single charity that every existed - to do what you ask? To have come in, purchased properties block by block and build housing, renovate housing you name it. And it wasn't and hasn't been gentrified - barely at that. Someone once said about the gay movement in AP - that it wasn't the rich gays Taking over - it was the ones that had vision and not rich enough to afford other gay communities. It hasn't been the rich that first came in and bought a bunch of run down boarded up houses that every one else had a chance to buy - it was a bunch of average people who really couldn't afford to buy in avon, belmar etc - maybe the second or 3rd resales of homes since 2000 were wealthier. Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. Where was the APHA? Was the leader with vision in town? I once posted that I took a nice bike ride all around the east side of AP and counted how many - apartment buildings there were, how many multi family houses there were and how many condo there were. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Instead, get blasted for being gay, rich, racist, uncaring, selfish - And I;m sure most of us on this board crack open their wallet and give back to the kids and community in general many more ways - beside spending money and paying taxes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Actually, most of that housing is rotting away. There's mold everywhere. I grew up in Eatoncrest apts. which is surrounded by that development. It's been fenced in for years, and is currently home to a herd of deer. Right around the corner at the Ft. Monmouth golf course, there were acres of abandoned homes. All got bulldozed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Those homes are condemned, well a lot of them are at least Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:34:17 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Most of its condemned and not livable Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:41:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? Actually, most of that housing is rotting away. There's mold everywhere. I grew up in Eatoncrest apts. which is surrounded by that development. It's been fenced in for years, and is currently home to a herd of deer. Right around the corner at the Ft. Monmouth golf course, there were acres of abandoned homes. All got bulldozed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. That's a fallacy. I gave a report to certain councilman years ago who now resides in Spring Lake. The study found that the moving out of the poor does not happen at a faster velocity in a gentrifying neighborhood than it does in a similar non gentrifying neighborhood. What does differ is the ability to reenter the neighborhood that is undergoing gentrification. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
The question should be: Should the city have remained a run down wasteland it was? How many of you actually had a business in AP during those years? I did. The city, state, feds and general public had a great opportunity as did every single charity that every existed - to do what you ask? To have come in, purchased properties block by block and build housing, renovate housing you name it. And it wasn't and hasn't been gentrified - barely at that. Someone once said about the gay movement in AP - that it wasn't the rich gays Taking over - it was the ones that had vision and not rich enough to afford other gay communities. It hasn't been the rich that first came in and bought a bunch of run down boarded up houses that every one else had a chance to buy - it was a bunch of average people who really couldn't afford to buy in avon, belmar etc - maybe the second or 3rd resales of homes since 2000 were wealthier. Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. Where was the APHA? Was the leader with vision in town? I once posted that I took a nice bike ride all around the east side of AP and counted how many - apartment buildings there were, how many multi family houses there were and how many condo there were. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Instead, get blasted for being gay, rich, racist, uncaring, selfish - And I;m sure most of us on this board crack open their wallet and give back to the kids and community in general many more ways - beside spending money and paying taxes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
See notes --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. They do, but the market rate rentals are not want the government want s to pay. I bet everyone of those towns is getting sued, if they have open land for sale, by developers under the affordable housing quotas established way back. Don't forget, many of those towns sold that off to towns like AP, who finally decided they didn't want to take the money from other towns. The money they did get - wonder how that was distributed? And really to have section 8, you need the Housing Authority to distribute and maintain a list - I think all are closed. The housing authority also has to be able to function, collect money, make needed repairs and act responsibility to it can do it's job - and help the people who need it. Apparently, from what I read the past 40 years (yeah since I was ten), some housing authorities have had trouble operating. A person receiving $1700 in a housing voucher per month is what kind of benefit? $That's $20,000 per year. That's you making around $27,000 per year to cover just rent. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Why? The unemployment system is automated. If you do collect, you can be in DisneyWorld on vacation, call up, enter you id and when you get home, your check is there. Sure. to get your check,you have to come in to a location - at LEAST on that day and sit there for 8 hours, Take a class. Volunteer. Work on skills. Or you can sit home, go work that second job for cash. And there is another benefit that is offered. I got so f'in pissed off at a woman I knew, who first worked for a charity, them for a co I worked with. I'll add in that she is white. I saw her not to long ago and she told me how GREAT IT WAS COLLECTING UEmployment. Why I asked becuase they have a program...I went to Rutgers, got my masters AND got to collect the whole time. Mind you, she is a homeowner, has no kids... I looked at her and said wow, that's real,real nice. That's ok. I'll be dishing out $1200 per WEEK when my son goes off to school next week for one semester (15 weeks). his scholarship was free room and board. I can't complain I guess. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. What's that benefit worth? Anywhere from $6,000 to $10,000 per kid, right? That means YOU would have to make from $8,000 to $13,000 per year for that benefit. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. So? I was with my daughter at her Doctor the other day. I have Oxford. I was paying around $1200 per year via my wife's plan. On my own, it was $1500 per month. Her boss was only paying her's meaning I had to cover myself and the two kids. YOu think that's free? I finally cursed him out one day - it's a fairly large co for a small co. As part of her much deserved pay increase, he is now eating it. Sad part is, we have OXFORD/United Health. At the end of the year, my daughter's dr is dropping them. It's a dr choice. They don't like the reimbursement rate - later. And that's with co-pays for office visits and high out/pckt. Sure, on my own, I can deduct 100% of the cost of medical But to deduct it, first you have to be able to afford to pay for it. As a kid, I don't know what we had - other real little $ my dad took a second career after the chicken farm. We had Doc Malta in Wanamassa. Love him or hate him. Office in his house. School Dr. Jersey Shore ER doc. Baseball coach. Taught us how to cough. You thought you broke your finger, he pulled it and told you to go home. Caught my Grandmother's cancer. Told my wife she athlete's foot. When she disagreed, he told her women never want to hear that. My mother once told him she would have to pay him at the end of the week. He yelled at her did you here me ask you for money? There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. Well Asbury Park Housing Authority maybe has to get their act together. I kind of follow long branch, and noticed their pretty nice new housing. Since Long Branch is copying the success of Asbury's parking meters, maybe Asbury Park should model their public housing program after long branch. Maybe a better idea - would be to MERGE the two together. A teacher in neptune told me a story of a kid who wore long sleeves
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. The city, powers that be, investors wants gentrification because it makes money and turns the city around. The community wants it to the extent it makes a community safer, prettier, increases property values, etc. But, the displaced don't want to be displaced... And where will people be displaced to? Here's my two cents. The problems that Asbury faces are not Asbury problems, they are New Jersey problems, they are United States problems. Poverty is a bigger problem than just Asbury, Camden, and Newark... The solution for a long time has been projects, Section 8, welfare, concentrating that poverty into specific areas, in specific cities, with terrible schools. Then we tried to fix the schools with Abbott, but we did not fix the root problems- poverty, violence, gangs, and addiction. I think to fix it, we would have to break up the concentration of poverty, but on a much larger scale. Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live, in every school district, provide real job training and career counseling in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work, along with affordable healthcare, mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. In essence, stop trying to concentrate the have nots into a ghetto where poverty will continue to beget poverty and violence begets violence, but rather to shift our mindset to enable all towns and all cities to provide opportunities to those who could benefit from those opportunities. I remember being in a philosophy class where we said that if we could design a society not knowing where in that society we would be born, we would all design one where the bottom is not that bad. Now, in the USA our bottom is not as bad as in other countries. I have walked through a crowded train station in India and been surrounded by children with bloated bellies begging for food. But, our bottom is not as good as some other places. There was a lot of talk about socialism and not being like Europe or Canada during the last election. Well, what do we want to be? How can we foster upward mobility while also creating a society where the bottom is not so bad? I do know that if we just focus on this as an Asbury problem, we are not going to really get anywhere. I don't think we would ever see real change unless and until we tackle it on a much bigger scale, but that will never happen in this political climate. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Interesting comment someone made. Can someone define it? I can't say I go out to dinner to often I really enjoy my own food much more. Are boardwalk prices high? How do they compare with the rest of Monmouth County? Is rafferty's high priced or middle of the road? Is the ice cream a fair price? Is the candyteria fairly priced? WHAT: - would be fair for the whole community - kind of eateries and price points would be fair to the whole community. - kinds of food are missing to make it seem fair to the community and not those upper class a-holes that come in and take a shot () at rehabbing a business, home or supporting a struggling town? WHAT: - would stop a kid from trying to pull someone out of a car to kick their ass for the hell of it? - would stop someone from taking a shotgun and shoving in someone's face and make them strip down and steal their car? First person that can tell me (without blaming society), I'll cut a check out for $100 to their favorite cause. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
