Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
pski;676196 Wrote: > Who and when was that? My copy of Lamb is Japanese and predates anything > I've seen on CD. > > P In 11/2008, a box set of the 70's PG era albums in remastered (and 5.1) form were released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_1970-1975 There were 3 additional boxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_1976-1982 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_1983-1998 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_Live_1973-2007 -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander on Xoom. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.5, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 37,509 songs, 2,934 albums, 515 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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maggior;672472 Wrote: > ??? > > Before the remasters of the entire genesis catalog, this album sounded > pretty flat IMHO. I prefer to listen to the live version in the box > set. The remaster really brought this recording to life. Who and when was that? My copy of Lamb is Japanese and predates anything I've seen on CD. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Mnyb;676066 Wrote: > there is an online petition for a remaster of vapor trails :) it's no > more than circa 1000 people that have signed it so for unfathomable > reason people can actually listen to vapor trails ? I never managed to > listen to a complete song ? So millions of Rush fans are near > completely deaf ? Well, as a Rush fan, I listen to mostly 2112 and Caress of Steel. :> -- wireless200 wireless200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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wireless200;676060 Wrote: > Funny you should mention those. I posted a review on Snakes and Arrows > on Amazon that has the same sentiment. Many Rush fans were not happy. there is an online petition for a remaster of vapor trails :) it's no more than circa 1000 people that have signed it so for unfathomable reason people can actually listen to vapor trails ? I never managed to listen to a complete song ? So millions of Rush fans are near completely deaf ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Kvaks;614851 Wrote: > Rush's comeback album "Vapor Trails" is unlistenable. The music probably > isn't as good as old Rush albums, but this recording doesn't even give > you a chance to find out. Sounds like the person responsible for mixing > it turned everything to 11 all the time. > > And if I recall correctly, their next album "Snakes & Arrows" was > pretty much the same. Why didn't they learn? Funny you should mention those. I posted a review on Snakes and Arrows on Amazon that has the same sentiment. Many Rush fans were not happy. -- wireless200 wireless200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
AndrewFG;673238 Wrote:
> Interesting. An audiophile friend once told me that were different
> releases of this disc (and also of Love Over Gold) and that some are
> considered to be world class, whereas others definitely not.
>
> My discs are pre- Jurassic "Made in W. Germany by PolyGram" -- anyone
> remember that company? anyone remember that country? -- and they both
> sound great.
>
> { serial numbers: Love Over Gold 800088-2 and Brothers in Arms 824499-2
> }
My version of Brothers In Arms is 925264-2, which was made in Japan,
and it sounds pretty good. Although I wouldn't quite classify it as
audiophile caliber, it's certainly not among the worst sounding albums
I've got. Brothers In Arms was originally released in 1985, making it
an early rock album that was "a full digital recording". Perhaps they
had several different masterings.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Soulkeeper;613480 Wrote:
> My CD version of -Brothers in Arms- (Dire Straits) is pretty horrible.
> The drums sound like something from an overdriven 1980 PC speaker (the
> small speaker located inside the PC cabinet, not the attachable stuff
> that is audiophile in comparison).Interesting. An audiophile friend once told
> me that were different
releases of this disc (and also of Love Over Gold) and that some are
considered to be world class, whereas others defintely not.
My discs are pre- Jurassic "Made in W. Germany by PolyGram" -- anyone
remember that company? anyone remember that country? -- and they both
sound great.
{ serial numbers: Love Over Gold 800088-2 and Brothers in Arms 824499-2
}
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
pski;672440 Wrote: > "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway?" Thripfgt? ??? Before the remasters of the entire genesis catalog, this album sounded pretty flat IMHO. I prefer to listen to the live version in the box set. The remaster really brought this recording to life. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander on Xoom. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.5, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 37,509 songs, 2,934 albums, 515 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
maggior;672143 Wrote: > I just got my copy of this yesterday. Wow, the sound quality is so much > better. Now the recording has the balls it always should have had. > It's like a haze has been lifted off of it and the true sound comes > through. Listening to this album before I always felt like my ears > were clogged. > > In the liner notes, Steven Wilson compared being asked to remaster this > to "being asked to clean up the Sistene Chapel". I bet!! How cool it > must be to be Steven Wilson :-). > > Now we have great sounding recordings of "The Wall", "The Lamb Lies > Down On Broadway", and "Aqualung"...I'm a happy camper :-). "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway?" Thripfgt? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Soundman;671063 Wrote: > Another good alternative is the 2011 remixed and remastered version by > Steven Wilson, the new "2011 40th Anniversary Release" from October > 2011. It's of course much easier to find than the DCC-version and also > sounds "dryer" (like the DCC-version) and it definitely sounds much > better than the previous "normal" CD-versions. > I just got my copy of this yesterday. Wow, the sound quality is so much better. Now the recording has the balls it always should have had. It's like a haze has been lifted off of it and the true sound comes through. Listening to this album before I always felt like my ears were clogged. In the liner notes, Steven Wilson compared being asked to remaster this to "being asked to clean up the Sistene Chapel". I bet!! How cool it must be to be Steven Wilson :-). Now we have great sounding recordings of "The Wall", "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway", and "Aqualung"...I'm a happy camper :-). -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander on Xoom. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.5, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 37,509 songs, 2,934 albums, 515 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
cliveb;671756 Wrote: > I have no idea whether a pre-emphasised version of Blaze of Glory was > ever made. It was just a guess as to one possible explanation for what > you hear. > > However, your comments about the album prompted me to give it a fresh > listen on my main system. OK, it *does* sound a bit bright, and some > might say "metallic", but it's by no means objectionably so to my ears. > (And there are some places where reasonably deep bass is present - eg. > the intro of "Acropolis Now"). Can we agree that even though it's a bit > bright, it is very clean? > > I've attached a frequency analysis screen shot of Blaze of Glory > (bog.wav), plus Body & Soul (b&s.wav) for comparison purposes. There > doesn't seem to be any significant difference as far as I can see, > apart from perhaps a slightly faster fall away of high frequencies > above about 6kHz on Body & Soul, which might give the latter a slightly > warmer overall sound. I get similar freq spec, it is clean and dynamic but a t lot of hard s sounds, it sounds much more brilliant than it measures ? For me b & s is much much varmer ? Nigth and day ;) difference. Must be something else in the production b & g is harder and brigther to me than any other of my 2760 albums it sounds " shouty " can be some use of midrange echo car park concrete echo ? There is much softer echo effects on other records. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
TiredLegs;671778 Wrote: > Back in the 1960s, when most radio stations had an actual DJ in the > studio who manually queued up 45 rpms, lots of records were > specifically mastered for AM radio heard through crappy car speakers. > Engineers would put such gear into their mastering studios, to hear the > music the way many listeners would hear it. Yup... One really appalling thing I found with the Vlado interview was that he alludes to the CD version being the *best* sounding version of "I'm With You". Guess what, that DR4 measurement WAS the CD version! The iTunes version then must be like DR2 :-) and sounds like white noise! LOL -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Lake's first album. Almost beer coaster fodder; most awful sounding CD I own. Shame too, I love that album. -- steveinaz - transport: squeezebox touch - dac: benchmark dac/pre - linestage: placette passive - power amplifier: parasound hca-1500a - speakers: fritz speakers carbon 7 monitor - cables: kimber hero/8tc v.2, dh labs d-75 steveinaz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34707 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Archimago;671736 Wrote: > They're even marketing this as "mastered for iTunes" as if it's some > badge of honour! > http://productionadvice.co.uk/mastered-for-itunes/ > Back in the 1960s, when most radio stations had an actual DJ in the studio who manually queued up 45 rpms, lots of records were specifically mastered for AM radio heard through crappy car speakers. Engineers would put such gear into their mastering studios, to hear the music the way many listeners would hear it. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Mnyb;671187 Wrote: > Is "Blaze of glory" one of the 2 albums that actually use this > technology ? I have no idea whether a pre-emphasised version of Blaze of Glory was ever made. It was just a guess as to one possible explanation for what you hear. However, your comments about the album prompted me to give it a fresh listen on my main system. OK, it *does* sound a bit bright, and some might say "metallic", but it's by no means objectionably so to my ears. (And there are some places where reasonably deep bass is present - eg. the intro of "Acropolis Now"). Can we agree that even though it's a bit bright, it is very clean? I've attached a frequency analysis screen shot of Blaze of Glory (bog.wav), plus Body & Soul (b&s.wav) for comparison purposes. There doesn't seem to be any significant difference as far as I can see, apart from perhaps a slightly faster fall away of high frequencies above about 6kHz on Body & Soul, which might give the latter a slightly warmer overall sound. +---+ |Filename: blazeofglory.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12780| +---+ -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Soundman;671063 Wrote: > Another good alternative is the 2011 remixed and remastered version by > Steven Wilson, the new "2011 40th Anniversary Release" from October > 2011. It's of course much easier to find than the DCC-version and also > sounds "dryer" (like the DCC-version) and it definitely sounds much > better than the previous "normal" CD-versions. > > Side note: I was always frustrated that the beautiful song "Wond'ring > Aloud" was so short (1'53"). Well among the bonus tracks on the 2011 > remasters there's a previously unreleased 7'07"-version of this > outstanding song. I love it! I agree - this version is the best by a country mile. Beats the over-priced DCC version at last... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I don't mind 'bad' music since this is subjective - hey, I even
tolerated William Shatner's recent 2 CD talk-a-thon :-). It's the
*incompetence* that I get angry at where decent music gets willingly
destroyed as suggested by many posts above. My list of
disappointments:
- Metallica - Death Magnetic (2008)- at least there was the Guitar Hero
version
- Depeche Mode - Playing The Angel (2005) - one of my favorite bands,
what are you guys thinking!? The SACD release is significantly better
- Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication (1999) - at least there's the
"unmastered version" floating around
- Red Hot Chili Peppers - Stadium Arcadium (2006) - at least there's
Steve Hoffman's vinyl mastering
- Red Hot Chili Peppers - I'm With You (2011)
You know, the 2011 Chili Peppers album is particularly disturbing given
all the frustration around Californication & Stadium Arcadium. Imagine,
it measures as DR4 (foobar Dynamic Range plugin:
dynamicrange.de/en/tt-dynamic-range-meter-plugin-all-platforms-available).
They're even marketing this as "mastered for iTunes" as if it's some
badge of honour!
http://productionadvice.co.uk/mastered-for-itunes/
I really hope there's a "Lifetime Shame Award" for the likes of Vlado
Meller ("mastering engineer") to celebrate his deafness and ineptitude.
Check out this interview, sickening...
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/090211mastering
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jhonsber...@msn.com;671506 Wrote: > Just kidding . Steely Dan's recordings are some of the best quality > ever. So, you were just seeing if anyone was awake :-) -- CharlieG CharlieG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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CharlieG;671267 Wrote: > I read this and thought "wow, all of my Steely Dan albums have really > good sound quality". > > So I am listening to Gaucho now...sounds great :-) > > Do you really think Gaucho has the poorest sound quality in your entire > collection? Just kidding . Steely Dan's recordings are some of the best quality ever. -- jhonsber...@msn.com jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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CharlieG;671267 Wrote: > I read this and thought "wow, all of my Steely Dan albums have really > good sound quality". > > So I am listening to Gaucho now...sounds great :-) > > Do you really think Gaucho has the poorest sound quality in your entire > collection? It's a little light on the bass but I still like it. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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jhonsber...@msn.com;671141 Wrote: > Steely Dan's Gaucho. I read this and thought "wow, all of my Steely Dan albums have really good sound quality". So I am listening to Gaucho now...sounds great :-) Do you really think Gaucho has the poorest sound quality in your entire collection? -- CharlieG CharlieG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb;671137 Wrote: > Are you sure you don't have a pre-emphasised version that hasn't be > de-emphasised? How much fssh fshh sound does it give you ? de emp there is probably a filter in some software I could use suggestions :) Is "Blaze of glory" one of the 2 albums that actually use this technology ? It is not implemented on all cd players either. I have a *couch* not exactly ripped myself but I had the vinyl it was also similar . Sound memory is not exactly stellar 22 years later -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Great thread. Can't agree with The Ghost Of Tom Joad and Liege & Lief. I love both these recordings - perhaps I think they just suit the music well. There's lots of stuff recorded very basically that I think shines because of it. Some of it ancient, some newer. LoveTd Hawkin's "Venice Beach Tapes" and a lot of SE Rogie's stuff. Most of it seemingly recorded by holding a microphone up whilst they did their stuff. My vote is for most of Prince's early albums. Great, great music and excitingly performed, but who at Warners decided to let him produce it all? Awful. Chances of a remastering? I'm waiting for him to pop his clogs before it happens... M. -- InTheBath InTheBath's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Fairport Convention: Liege and Leaf. The vinyl sound is awful (a set of jigs and reels, for instance, sounds as though played in Das Boot (or should that be im Boot?), possibly behind some blankets, and recorded somewhere slightly outside it); the CD is at best no better; the digital downloads are about the same. Still a great album, though. It all adds to the nostalgic charm, as it did when it was brand new. On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:08, jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > > Steely Dan's Gaucho. > > > -- > jhonsber...@msn.com > > jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 > > ___ > audiophiles mailing list > audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Steely Dan's Gaucho. -- jhonsber...@msn.com jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb;671104 Wrote: > It's very hollow and thin and edgy at the same time , with my current > speakers I can listen to it, I use the tilt control And rise the bass > +10dB and lower the treble -10dB as it is a tilt control I it is a > linear slope from bottom to top then it starts to sound ok dynamics is > ok it is not super compressed on the other hand I love the sound of > body and soul :) Are you sure you don't have a pre-emphasised version that hasn't be de-emphasised? -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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The first great digital recording I ever owned was Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms. I was still in college and had a low/moderate Pioneer rack stereo system. I could not stop playing that CD mostly because of the talent but partly because of the quality of the recording. When I upgraded to the current system the recording and music has stood the test of time. To me, it's just simply a great performance and recording. The next recording/performance that many years later had a similar effect is Eric Clapton Unplugged. I still have company request that I play the CD or at least a track or two. -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb;671092 Wrote: > Strange - if someone insisted I name my favourite JJ album I think on > balance it would be Blaze of Glory. > > I don't detect any serious SQ issues. Sure, it's not in the Body & Soul > league, but I can't help thinking you must either have a different > mastering (mine is an original British CD) or there's something in the > sound that just grates with you. > > That said, if the music is good enough I'm happy to listen to quite > appalling sound quality. A couple of examples that immediately spring > to mind are Fleetwood Mac - Boston Tea Party, and King Crimson - > Earthbound (the best Schizoid Man ever). Thinking of it the dynamics are superb, there must be a technical error with the version I have it's is only the frequency balance that is totally off, or maybe JJ is like some many other veteran musicians deaf above 4kHz due to loud music during the tours... -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb;671092 Wrote: > Strange - if someone insisted I name my favourite JJ album I think on > balance it would be Blaze of Glory. > > I don't detect any serious SQ issues. Sure, it's not in the Body & Soul > league, but I can't help thinking you must either have a different > mastering (mine is an original British CD) or there's something in the > sound that just grates with you. > > That said, if the music is good enough I'm happy to listen to quite > appalling sound quality. A couple of examples that immediately spring > to mind are Fleetwood Mac - Boston Tea Party, and King Crimson - > Earthbound (the best Schizoid Man ever). It's very hollow and thin and edgy at the same time , with my current speakers I can listen to it, I use the tilt control And rise the bass +10dB and lower the treble -10dB as it is a tilt control I it is a linear slope from bottom to top then it starts to sound ok dynamics is ok it is not super compressed on the other hand I love the sound of body and soul :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I can understand the desire to listen to a good performance but if the recording is not palatable I would never play it often. I will always appreciate the effort and talent of the artist but inevitably I will start getting distracted by the poor recording. When I upgraded my stereo it became a much more revealing system. Many of the recordings I previouisly appreciated rapidly became shelfed (including Bridge or Sighs). I rarely take it out and when I do I remember why it's not played often. cliveb;671092 Wrote: > Strange - if someone insisted I name my favourite JJ album I think on > balance it would be Blaze of Glory. > > I don't detect any serious SQ issues. Sure, it's not in the Body & Soul > league, but I can't help thinking you must either have a different > mastering (mine is an original British CD) or there's something in the > sound that just grates with you. > > That said, if the music is good enough I'm happy to listen to quite > appalling sound quality. A couple of examples that immediately spring > to mind are Fleetwood Mac - Boston Tea Party, and King Crimson - > Earthbound (the best Schizoid Man ever). -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb;615919 Wrote: > Joe jackson blaze of glory Strange - if someone insisted I name my favourite JJ album I think on balance it would be Blaze of Glory. I don't detect any serious SQ issues. Sure, it's not in the Body & Soul league, but I can't help thinking you must either have a different mastering (mine is an original British CD) or there's something in the sound that just grates with you. That said, if the music is good enough I'm happy to listen to quite appalling sound quality. A couple of examples that immediately spring to mind are Fleetwood Mac - Boston Tea Party, and King Crimson - Earthbound (the best Schizoid Man ever). -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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magiccarpetride;613593 Wrote:
> For the purposes of this thread, let's mostly try to focus on the worst
> sounding recording, even if the recorded music is brilliant. I realize
> that it's much harder to top "Mr. Gone" and find an album that is
> equally atrocious in both areas.
I had this album on vinyl, and my hobby is digitising vinyl. But I
didn't bother to needle drop this and just sold the LP. So it must have
been really bad. I do seem to recall there was a Jaco track on it called
"Punk Jazz" (or something like that) which bopped along fairly nicely,
though.
But I think I can top Mr. Gone (as far as bad music is concerned).
There was a Canadian prog rock band called FM, and their first two
albums ("Black Noise" and "Headroom") are pretty damn good. I saw
another CD of theirs called "Tonight" going cheap, so I bought it.
Worst. Purchase. Ever.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
artintampa;670903 Wrote: > My most disappointing recording is Robin Trower's Bridge of Sighs. I am > not sure if it's because it was my first Rock Concert when I was 12 or > it's actually good music. I think the guitar work is very impressive > and the music unique but the recording is flat and hard to get through. > It's been years since I heard it because of the recording quality, I > might have a different opinion today. I last heard it about 10 years > ago lol. I wish it could be somehow remastered but with such a unknown > artist and bad recording btw he's a bluesy/rock type music There's a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs gold CD version of Bridge Of Sighs (http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Sighs-Robin-Trower/dp/B00IVI). It's rare and out of print, and I've never heard it, so I don't know how it compares to other masterings of the album. Anybody heard it? -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Phil Leigh;614846 Wrote: > He did - Ian has the ONLY 1st gen master in existence - the 3 versions I > mentioned all used it. No other version does. These versions sound much > better - the DCC version being the best. I'm not a big fan of Steve > Hoffman or the MOFI smile curve, but unless you have heard this > version, you haven't really heard what this album can sound like... > It's worth seeking out > > (edit for clarity...the DCC version sounds dryer than the MOFI because > the MOFI has the smile curve on it and the DCC doesn't) Another good alternative is the 2011 remixed and remastered version by Steven Wilson, the new "2011 40th Anniversary Release" from October 2011. It's of course much easier to find than the DCC-version and also sounds "dryer" (like the DCC-version) and it definitely sounds much better than the previous "normal" CD-versions. +---+ |Filename: cover.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12768| +---+ -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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artintampa;670926 Wrote: > 98Rock I grew up on 98 Rock! Well, except during my alt-rock years. I have heard the name Robin Trower but couldn't name any songs even though I have probably heard him on the Tampa Bay radio stations back in the day. I do like blues rock so will add it to my sample list. -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Logitech Media Server 7.7.1 | iPod Touch & iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) | 'Rhapsody' (http://www.rhapsody.com/members/mesue) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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When I was growing up. He was very underground in the Tampa area. He received very little air time on 98Rock. When he came in concert it was a very small venue in a small town about an hour from Tampa (which at the time was very small in itself). He was touted to have a similar Hendrix sound and the similar guitar style was very evident. I wound up seeing him twice second time years later with several other bands. garym;670923 Wrote: > Art, Bridge of Sighs got lots of radio play where I grew up (Texas). And > of course, Robin Trower was famous as Procol Harem's guitar player > before he went solo! I sorta liked the album because he reminded me a > bit of Jimi Hendrix -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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artintampa;670919 Wrote: > Let me be totally honest, I didnt think anybody.. I mean anybody has > heard of him and even less that particular album. WOW Art, Bridge of Sighs got lots of radio play where I grew up (Texas). And of course, Robin Trower was famous as Procol Harem's guitar player before he went solo! I sorta liked the album because he reminded me a bit of Jimi Hendrix -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) > SbS 7.6.2 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop > LMS 7.7.0 > Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Let me be totally honest, I didnt think anybody.. I mean anybody has heard of him and even less that particular album. WOW paulster;670909 Wrote: > Peter Mew remastered it in 2007 at Abbey Road. Clearly he didn't have a > lot to work with as it still sounds like the bottom few octaves are > missing and they either didn't bother to tune any of the drum heads or > just recorded the drums from the far end of a field. There's no > dynamics from the kit at all. > > Great music but terrible recording. -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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artintampa;670903 Wrote: > My most disappointing recording is Robin Trower's Bridge of Sighs. I am > not sure if it's because it was my first Rock Concert when I was 12 or > it's actually good music. I think the guitar work is very impressive > and the music unique but the recording is flat and hard to get through. > It's been years since I heard it because of the recording quality, I > might have a different opinion today. I last heard it about 10 years > ago lol. I wish it could be somehow remastered but with such a unknown > artist and bad recording btw he's a bluesy/rock type music Peter Mew remastered it in 2007 at Abbey Road. Clearly he didn't have a lot to work with as it still sounds like the bottom few octaves are missing and they either didn't bother to tune any of the drum heads or just recorded the drums from the far end of a field. There's no dynamics from the kit at all. Great music but terrible recording. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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My most disappointing recording is Robin Trower's Bridge of Sighs. I am not sure if it's because it was my first Rock Concert when I was 12 or it's actually good music. I think the guitar work is very impressive and the music unique but the recording is flat and hard to get through. It's been years since I heard it because of the recording quality, I might have a different opinion today. I last heard it about 10 years ago lol. I wish it could be somehow remastered but with such a unknown artist and bad recording btw he's a bluesy/rock type music -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Lousy sounding CD's has been a fact of life for me as a 60's, 70's rocker. I can give numerous examples from the Stones to Genesis. Thin recordings lacking in depth. No 'meat on the bones'. I'm not sure if the LP's sounded better (in the time). I think they did. Due to several factors. Large efficient speakers (horns and 12, or 15 inch woofers) with tube amps was one factor. Not there now. Not a problem, just need to adapt. One blessing is disguise. It makes it easy for me to hear differences in the tweaks. Good tweaks will flesh out the bones. One album I really like - Sticky Fingers - The Rolling Stones. Nasty sounding CD, that is much more listenable now. I can say I even enjoy it loud. I know, I should be a classical fan. Believe me I have tried! I do like "The Planets". Of course, what self respecting burn out doesn't like that piece! -- earwaxer9 System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter, HSU sub 12, MSB DAC to 500 watt sub slave amp, JPS labs power cords, Silver audio interconnect, Audioquest Granite speaker cable. earwaxer9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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firedog;615906 Wrote: > I tend to block the really bad ones out and never listen to them or get > rid of them, but... > > "A Wizard, A True Star" LP by Todd Rundgren. Well over 50 minutes, and > heavily compressed to make it playable. > > No real high or low frequencies, and the music (which I actually like) > is sort of high pitched, metallic and "acid trip" sounding - by > design. > > So the end result is sort of a high pitched drone without much > dynamics. One of the best intros to Todd was the original "Back to the Bars." As albums go one can make "live" excuses" but I still listen due to the performance having seen the live show a few times. It's a place in time. P BTW: the sincerity of "Runt.." -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Robin Bowes;616231 Wrote: > On 07/03/11 17:42, Phil Leigh wrote: > > > > ralphpnj;616163 Wrote: > >> Oh dear! How could we have forgotten about the caps. Please Phil do > tell > >> us which style and color cap works best with which type of music. > White > >> or black for jazz? > > > > Blue for Jazz. > > Kind of... > > -- > "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes > http://www.theshackshakers.com/ chortle... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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On 07/03/11 17:42, Phil Leigh wrote: > > ralphpnj;616163 Wrote: >> Oh dear! How could we have forgotten about the caps. Please Phil do tell >> us which style and color cap works best with which type of music. White >> or black for jazz? > > Blue for Jazz. Kind of... -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj;616163 Wrote: > Oh dear! How could we have forgotten about the caps. Please Phil do tell > us which style and color cap works best with which type of music. White > or black for jazz? Blue for Jazz. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Phil Leigh;616156 Wrote: > May I remind you that the wearing of suitable headgear (as promoted by > our friend MNYB) is mandatory: > > http://www.cafepress.co.uk/+snake-oil+hats-caps Oh dear! How could we have forgotten about the caps. Please Phil do tell us which style and color cap works best with which type of music. White or black for jazz? -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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May I remind you that the wearing of suitable headgear (as promoted by our friend MNYB) is mandatory: http://www.cafepress.co.uk/+snake-oil+hats-caps -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Percival Sweetwater;616116 Wrote: > Cat 7e at least, with gold plated connectors at each end! Also disable > the Touch's screen, and analogue output, and hack around with the > firmware a bit. > > Never use the SD card or USB port, or the TOSLINK. Feed into a > Wolfson DAC with a length of OFC 75 Ohm coax the length of which should > be a prime number multiple of the half wavelength of the lowest > frequency, as measured in a vacuum at standard temperature and > pressure. N.B. replace the nasty phono sockets with 75 Ohm BNC > connectors, to void the warranty. > > The ethernet cable should be coloured silver, as to reflect away any > stray photons originating from the birth of the universe which would > otherwise degrade the ambiance of the sound drastically. > > Then listen to the lady sing! Mr. Sweetwater truly amazing! With a mere 13 posts to your name you've somehow managed to gleam a tremendous amount of knowledge in a very short period of time. One small correction to your otherwise very valuable suggestions: one should not be using the half wavelength but rather the full wavelength of the lowest frequency - using the half wavelength will result in a slight mid-bass "hump" and somewhat muffled mid-range. Go ahead, redo your calculations and you'll see, actually hear, exactly what I mean. For those of you who have, sadly, not yet revised your Touch set up in accordance with Sweetwater's guidelines I strongly suggest that you do so as soon as possible. And please do not be put off by the fact that Category 7 cable is not recognized in TIA/EIA-568 since these standards fall well short of addressing the needs of the even the most undemanding audiophile. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Cat 7e at least, with gold plated connectors at each end! Also disable the Touch's screen, and analogue output, and hack around with the firmware a bit. Never use the SD card or USB port, or the TOSLINK. Feed into a Wolfson DAC with a length of OFC 75 Ohm coax the length of which should be a prime number multiple of the half wavelength of the lowest frequency, as measured in a vacuum at standard temperature and pressure. N.B. replace the nasty phono sockets with 75 Ohm BNC connectors, to void the warranty. The ethernet cable should be coloured silver, as to reflect away any stray photons originating from the birth of the universe which would otherwise degrade the ambiance of the sound drastically. Then listen to the lady sing! -- Percival Sweetwater Percival Sweetwater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Robin Bowes;615946 Wrote: > On 06/03/11 20:41, Percival Sweetwater wrote: > > > > Henry, > > > > I'm sure a 24bit 192kHz version would sound infinitely better! > > Only if streamed as wav (not FLAC), and from a Windows server, not > linux, and using a green cable, not red. > > R. Streamed wirelessly or wired? If wired: Cat 5 or Cat 6? (Cat 6 provides faster transients and therefore less "ringing") blue or yellow cable? (yellow usually provides stunning midrange whereas blue has better low end.) If wirelessly: treated or untreated air? (by using treated air one is assured that the ions are correctly aligned, essential for maximum clarity and proper placement of the instruments within the soundstage.) -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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On 06/03/11 20:41, Percival Sweetwater wrote: > > Henry, > > I'm sure a 24bit 192kHz version would sound infinitely better! Only if streamed as wav (not FLAC), and from a Windows server, not linux, and using a green cable, not red. R. -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Henry, I'm sure a 24bit 192kHz version would sound infinitely better! -- Percival Sweetwater Percival Sweetwater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Boy, writing that made me go back and listen to my FLAC rip of the CD. Not quite as bad sounding as the LP - I think the quiet background and greater dynamics of the CD help it - but it still sounds so flat and lifeless. I actually like the music and lyrics. But it is definitely one of those recordings that is better listened to on crappy equipment that doesn't reveal it's flaws so brutally. When I bought the LP in high school I had a 15W per channel (maybe) Kenwood solid state integrated, basic Pioneer manual turntable (with the "S shaped" tonearm), basic Shure cartridge, and Advent II speakers (I think that's what they were called - they were bookshelves made of white plastic), which were an even cheaper version of "small Advents", for those that couldn't afford them. Even on that system it sounded sort of lacking, but good equipment like I have now just emphasizes how bad it sounds. The negative side of audiophilia - you find out how crappy some of your recordings are. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
firedog;615906 Wrote: > I tend to block the really bad ones out and never listen to them or get > rid of them, but... > > "A Wizard, A True Star" LP by Todd Rundgren. Well over 50 minutes, and > heavily compressed to make it playable. > > No real high or low frequencies, and the music (which I actually like) > is sort of high pitched, metallic and "acid trip" sounding - by > design. > > So the end result is sort of a high pitched drone without much > dynamics. Excellent description! I now have a pretty good idea of what this recording sounds like. What I don't understand is why is the LP master being used for the CD instead of the less compressed(?) pre-LP master? -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Joe jackson blaze of glory . The sound is thin and fatiguing :( it sound like it's gone trough and reverse riaa filter then someone by mistake sent this to the cd plant instead of the lp plant, except for that if memory serves me rigth the lp i once had sounded just as bad. The whole production is just bad, nobody could have cared about how it sounded, you dont need to destroy this with loudness was compression, just an example of where it gone wrong somewhere else. It actually has some dynamics intact but it has a very odd midrange and treble balance as it was something wrong when they monitored it during production and did some grave error. There are other problems to... I asume some songs are actually good I'll never been able to listen to the whole album -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
TiredLegs;615624 Wrote: > There's a DCC version of Aqualung currently listed on eBay for $284! > (http://cgi.ebay.com/JETHRO-TULL-Aqualung-Rare-DCC-Gold-Disc-CD-SEALED-oop-/360322542448) > That price, by the way, is cheaper than for any new condition version of > that CD I could find elsewhere. Not that I have any intention of paying > that kind of price for any CD... I usually like the DCC versions. So I occassionally check on ebay. Don't remember ever seeing one I was interested in that wasn't over $100. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
I tend to block the really bad ones out and never listen to them or get rid of them, but... "A Wizard, A True Star" LP by Todd Rundgren. Well over 50 minutes, and heavily compressed to make it playable. No real high or low frequencies, and the music (which I actually like) is sort of high pitched, metallic and "acid trip" sounding - by design. So the end result is sort of a high pitched drone without much dynamics. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
What ? I can't hear you ? was it " poke her face " ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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A challenge: load your worst sounding track into 'MasVis' (http://lts.a.se.hemsida.eu/lts/masvis) and try to top this: [image: http://i.imgur.com/zFwPn.gif] -- Henry66 Henry66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
TiredLegs;615624 Wrote: > There's a DCC version of Aqualung currently listed on eBay for $284! > (http://cgi.ebay.com/JETHRO-TULL-Aqualung-Rare-DCC-Gold-Disc-CD-SEALED-oop-/360322542448) > That price, by the way, is cheaper than for any new condition version of > that CD I could find elsewhere. Not that I have any intention of paying > that kind of price for any CD... Don't say I didn't warn ya! :-) Wonder how much my DCC of Blonde on Blonde is worth... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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The worst quality recording I have is The Dead Kennedys - Fresh fruit for rotting vegetables...great punk album, but sounds like it was mastered on a cassette inside a toilet -- WAD62 Cheers Will WAD62's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38506 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
There's a DCC version of Aqualung currently listed on eBay for $284! (http://cgi.ebay.com/JETHRO-TULL-Aqualung-Rare-DCC-Gold-Disc-CD-SEALED-oop-/360322542448) -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
pski;615554 Wrote: > What about my Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab copy that says "Source: The > Original Stereo Master Tape Mastered with the Ortofon cutting system"? > > P quote from Steve Hoffman: "As I've said many times, if you want the "sound" of the MoFi version but don't want it built in to your disc, get a Pioneer receiver or a receiver with a "loudness" button. Insert the DCC Gold CD, push the loudness button on the receiver and there you have it; the MoFi EQ'd version! Just don't turn it up too loud.." The MFSL version did not use the original master tape (despite what they claim). Also it has the smile curve - see above. It does sound way better than the normal CD but not as good as the DCC version. The problem with Aqualung is that the mixdown was botched and that can't be altered without the MULTITRACK masters... which no longer seem to exist. For more discussion see here: http://thejethrotullboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=albums&action=display&thread=115 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Phil Leigh;614751 Wrote: > The secret with Aqualung is to get the RIGHT one... that was actually > mastered from the master tapes not a 3rd gen safety copy > > on vinyl this meant a first UK pressing... now it means the Classic > Records 2007 issue > > on CD it's way more complicated... you need to get the DCC version but > it's very expensive What about my Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab copy that says "Source: The Original Stereo Master Tape Mastered with the Ortofon cutting system"? P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
firedog;615150 Wrote: > ATMP had the Phil Spector production with the "wall of sound". So many > instruments/tracks on each song they had to heavily compress and I > think, "bounce" the tracks down (combine several tracks into one, and > then add more) to complete them. That accounts for a lot of what you > hear (or don't hear, as it were). > > For the remaster he supervised before his death, George noted the large > number of instruments on each track, and the fact that much of it was > essentially recorded live. He also noted that if he had to do it over > again he probably wouldn't go in for that type of production. I have the latest remaster of -All Things Must Pass- (the two CD set). It still has pretty bad sonics. I can understand how all the instrumentation might muddy up the mix, but several of The Beatles albums had layers of heavy instrumentation tracks bounced down, and they sound great. What I really don't understand, though, is why the vocals sound so poor on ATMP. It's like they used a bad microphone, and nobody noticed during the recording session. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
TiredLegs;614726 Wrote: > My CD of -Brothers In Arms- sounds great. I don't have the disc handy, > so I'm not sure what particular version it is, but it's at least 10 > years old. > > Regarding my own worst sounding CDs: > > - George Harrison: -All Things Must Pass- > -All Things Must Pass- was even poor sounding as an LP, which is a > shame because it has some great tunes. The damn thing sounds like it > was recorded with the performers inside a phone booth, and the > microphone on the outside. > > ATMP had the Phil Spector production with the "wall of sound". So many instruments/tracks on each song they had to heavily compress and I think, "bounce" the tracks down (combine several tracks into one, and then add more) to complete them. That accounts for a lot of what you hear (or don't hear, as it were). For the remaster he supervised before his death, George noted the large number of instruments on each track, and the fact that much of it was essentially recorded live. He also noted that if he had to do it over again he probably wouldn't go in for that type of production. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
JJZolx;615026 Wrote: > But the DCC version was remastered by Steve Hoffman. Yes I know... my bad phrasing. I meant "I'm not normally a big fan of SH but this is very good" :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Phil Leigh;614846 Wrote: > He did - Ian has the ONLY 1st gen master in existence - the 3 versions I > mentioned all used it. No other version does. These versions sound much > better - the DCC version being the best. I'm not a big fan of Steve > Hoffman or the MOFI smile curve, but unless you have heard this > version, you haven't really heard what this album can sound like... > It's worth seeking out > > (edit for clarity...the DCC version sounds dryer than the MOFI because > the MOFI has the smile curve on it and the DCC doesn't) But the DCC version was remastered by Steve Hoffman. +---+ |Filename: Aqualung [DCC].jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11447| +---+ -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Phil Leigh;615000 Wrote: > Well you could buy one for $100+ from eBay... they've been out of print > for ages and are highly prized by Tull fans. > > Google "aqualung dcc gold cd" for more ideas... Thanks. Not sure it's worth $100 to me, though. Once again, why can't Ian Anderson offer it through regular channels and charge us $16.99? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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magiccarpetride;614988 Wrote: > Thanks Phil. One more question, if you don't mind: how do you recommend > we go about getting this version of Aqualung? Is it available for order > online? Well you could buy one for $100+ from eBay... they've been out of print for ages and are highly prized by Tull fans. Google "aqualung dcc gold cd" for more ideas... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Phil Leigh;614938 Wrote: > Paulster has explained the smile curve EQ... DCC was a label that did > some great CD remasters... > > http://www.collecting-tull.com/Albums/Aqualung_DCC.html Thanks Phil. One more question, if you don't mind: how do you recommend we go about getting this version of Aqualung? Is it available for order online? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Kvaks;614851 Wrote: > Rush's comeback album "Vapor Trails" is unlistenable. The music probably > isn't as good as old Rush albums, but this recording doesn't even give > you a chance to find out. Sounds like the person responsible for mixing > it turned everything to 11 all the time. > > And if I recall correctly, their next album "Snakes & Arrows" was > pretty much the same. Why didn't they learn? Vapor Trails sounds AWEFUL - I forgot about that one. I thought Snakes and Arrows sounded OK. Musically, Snakes and Arrows is certainly much better. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,696 songs, 2,720 albums, 499 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Mnyb;614956 Wrote: > MSG leads to UFO , they did really bad sounding records they where bad > on LP too really bad , I remeber not even wasting a crome tape copying > UFO back when , that was pointless you did not hear a quality loss > going from vinyl to cassette with UFO . > > I'm not a native English speaker google came up with at least 20 > examples of PPP acronyms ? In this case it means p*ss poor production ;) -- Stratmangler There is no element of personal attack in my response. Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
OK - it's "Friends of Hell" by Witchfinder General. I wish it HAD been affected by Loudness Wars :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Mnyb;614956 Wrote: > MSG leads to UFO , they did really bad sounding records they where bad > on LP too really bad , I remeber not even wasting a crome tape copying > UFO back when , that was pointless you did not hear a quality loss > going from vinyl to cassette with UFO . > > I'm not a native English speaker google came up with at least 20 > examples of PPP acronyms ? It's rather unfortunate that they made 4 of the best (not best engineered!) hard rock albums of the 70's + one of the all-time best live rock albums... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Stratmangler;614945 Wrote: > Michael Schenker Group - MSG - very good songs let down by PPP > > Chris :( MSG leads to UFO , they did really bad sounding records they where bad on LP too really bad , I remeber not even wasting a crome tape copying UFO back when , that was pointless you did not hear a quality loss going from vinyl to cassette with UFO . I'm not a native English speaker google came up with at least 20 examples of PPP acronyms ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Stratmangler;614945 Wrote: > Michael Schenker Group - MSG - very good songs let down by PPP As soon as I saw PPP I knew you must be English before even looking at your location! Very true regarding this album; I'd forgotten just how bad it is. I suppose an honourable(?) mention should go to Metallica's Death Magnetic. After the debacle that was St. Anger they actually managed to write a good album, and then mercilessly squashed the life out of it in the name of loudness wars to the extend that ReplayGain wants to bring it down by -13dB to normalise it. And the digital clipping doesn't help either. Yuck. -- paulster Problem with Controller buttons occasionally ceasing to work? Vote for bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17006 paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Michael Schenker Group - MSG - very good songs let down by PPP Chris :( -- Stratmangler There is no element of personal attack in my response. Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Kvaks;614851 Wrote: > Rush's comeback album "Vapor Trails" is unlistenable. The music probably > isn't as good as old Rush albums, but this recording doesn't even give > you a chance to find out. Sounds like the person responsible for mixing > it turned everything to 11 all the time. > > And if I recall correctly, their next album "Snakes & Arrows" was > pretty much the same. Why didn't they learn? Oh dear I have those to, listened to 1,5 half tune on each and no more, you cant :-/ This is near the bottom now -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
magiccarpetride;614931 Wrote: > Thanks Phil. Pardon my ignorance, but what is 'DCC'? Also, what is the > 'smile curve'? (god, I feel so retarded right now:( Paulster has explained the smile curve EQ... DCC was a label that did some great CD remasters... http://www.collecting-tull.com/Albums/Aqualung_DCC.html -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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paulster;614935 Wrote: > Smile curve is an EQ curve boosted at bottom and top ends and > potentially cut in the middle, like the Loudness buttons of old. > > Imagine a graphic equaliser with the controls set in the shape of a > smiling mouth, like a ) rotated by 90 degrees. Doh! Makes perfect sense now that you've explained it so vividly. Thanks! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
magiccarpetride;614931 Wrote: > What is 'DCC'? Also, what is the 'smile curve'? Smile curve is an EQ curve boosted at bottom and top ends and potentially cut in the middle, like the Loudness buttons of old. Imagine a graphic equaliser with the controls set in the shape of a smiling mouth, like a ) rotated by 90 degrees. -- paulster Problem with Controller buttons occasionally ceasing to work? Vote for bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17006 paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Phil Leigh;614846 Wrote: > He did - Ian has the ONLY 1st gen master in existence - the 3 versions I > mentioned all used it. No other version does. These versions sound much > better - the DCC version being the best. I'm not a big fan of Steve > Hoffman and the smile curve, but unless you have heard this version, > you haven't really heard what this album can sound like... It's worth > seeking out Thanks Phil. Pardon my ignorance, but what is 'DCC'? Also, what is the 'smile curve'? (god, I feel so retarded right now:( -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Rush's comeback album "Vapor Trails" is unlistenable. The music probably isn't as good as old Rush albums, but this recording doesn't even give you a chance to find out. Sounds like the person responsible for mixing it turned everything to 11 all the time. And if I recall correctly, their next album "Snakes & Arrows" was pretty much the same. Why didn't they learn? -- Kvaks Kvaks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21610 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
magiccarpetride;614774 Wrote: > Why is it that Ian Anderson, after doing a very commendable job with > remastering the first 3 Jethro Tull albums, didn't carry on with > "Aqualung"? I personally find the 2002 remaster of "Stand Up" to really > work for me, even better than the original LP pressing. But "Aqualung"? > Give me strength! Any version I've heard so far is practically > unlistenable. Shame, because it's a great album. > > Please Ian, go back to the vaults and fetch Aqualung master tapes and > remaster them the way you did with "This Was" and "Stand UP" (I for > some reason don't care that much for "Benefit"). He did - Ian has the ONLY 1st gen master in existence - the 3 versions I mentioned all used it. No other version does. These versions sound much better - the DCC version being the best. I'm not a big fan of Steve Hoffman and the smile curve, but unless you have heard this version, you haven't really heard what this album can sound like... It's worth seeking out -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
No doubt it's Red Hot Chili Pepper's Californication, which is total crap due to loudness wars. Couldn't believe my eyes reading on forums some albums even sounded louder than it... -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Phil Leigh;614751 Wrote: > The secret with Aqualung is to get the RIGHT one... that was actually > mastered from the master tapes not a 3rd gen safety copy > > on vinyl this meant a first UK pressing... now it means the Classic > Records 2007 issue > > on CD it's way more complicated... you need to get the DCC version but > it's very expensive Why is it that Ian Anderson, after doing a very commendable job with remastering the first 3 Jethro Tull albums, didn't carry on with "Aqualung"? I personally find the 2002 remaster of "Stand Up" to really work for me, even better than the original LP pressing. But "Aqualung"? Give me strength! Any version I've heard so far is practically unlistenable. Shame, because it's a great album. Please Ian, go back to the vaults and fetch Aqualung master tapes and remaster them the way you did with "This Was" and "Stand UP" (I for some reason don't care that much for "Benefit"). -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Phil Leigh;614751 Wrote: > The secret with Aqualung is to get the RIGHT one... that was actually > mastered from the master tapes not a 3rd gen safety copy > > on vinyl this meant a first UK pressing... now it means the Classic > Records 2007 issue > > on CD it's way more complicated... you need to get the DCC version but > it's very expensive That's good to know Phil - thanks! -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,696 songs, 2,720 albums, 499 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
maggior;614743 Wrote: > Am I alone in liking this album? :-). It's not my favorite Weather > Report album, but it is far from my least favorite. > > I know the focus is on "recording quality", but I can't help but bring > up "Zero Tolerance for Silence" by Pat Metheny. Ugh! > > An album that always dissapointed me in the sound quality department > was "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull. The music is awesome, but the recording > has no balls whatsoever - no punch, no sparkle, just sounds very flat. > I remember the disappointment when I ripped my vinyl copy. I got the > remaster on CD hoping for an improvement - nope. > > Other albums from that era sound awesome (Abbey Road, Meddle, Fragile, > etc.), so I don't know what happened with this album. The secret with Aqualung is to get the RIGHT one... that was actually mastered from the master tapes not a 3rd gen safety copy on vinyl this meant a first UK pressing... on CD it's way more complicated... you need to get the DCC version but it's very expensive -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
TiredLegs;614726 Wrote: > And I don't know what's up with the engineering of Bruce Springsteen's > albums, but nearly all of them sound like they were recorded with > amateur equipment, including most of the recent releases. I know he's > often trying for that "Wall of Sound" style, but it's more like "Wall > of Crap". And I am a fan of his music. (The first concert I ever saw in > my life, back in 1974, had Springsteen as the warm up act.) IMHO, the > Springsteen album that has the best sound quality is the 30th > anniversay remaster of -Born To Run-. Even the old live recording from > -Hammersmith Odeon, London '75- (included with the 30th Anniv. -Born To > Run- set) sounds better than -Live In New York City- recorded 1999-2000. Ghost of Tom Joad doesn't have terrible production IMO. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
magiccarpetride;613593 Wrote: > Good question. My example (Weather Report "Mr. Gone") miraculously > covers both -- it is the worst sounding music in my collection, and > also the worst sounding recording in my collection. > > For the purposes of this thread, let's mostly try to focus on the worst > sounding recording, even if the recorded music is brilliant. I realize > that it's much harder to top "Mr. Gone" and find an album that is > equally atrocious in both areas. Am I alone in liking this album? :-). It's not my favorite Weather Report album, but it is far from my least favorite. I know the focus is on "recording quality", but I can't help but bring up "Zero Tolerance for Silence" by Pat Metheny. Ugh! An album that always dissapointed me in the sound quality department was "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull. The music is awesome, but the recording has no balls whatsoever - no punch, no sparkle, just sounds very flat. I remember the disappointment when I ripped my vinyl copy. I got the remaster on CD hoping for an improvement - nope. Other albums from that era sound awesome (Abbey Road, Meddle, Fragile, etc.), so I don't know what happened with this album. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,696 songs, 2,720 albums, 499 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Soulkeeper;613480 Wrote: > My CD version of -Brothers in Arms- (Dire Straits) is pretty horrible. > The drums sound like something from an overdriven 1980 PC speaker (the > small speaker located inside the PC cabinet, not the attachable stuff > that is audiophile in comparison). My CD of -Brothers In Arms- sounds great. I don't have the disc handy, so I'm not sure what particular version it is, but it's at least 10 years old. Regarding my own worst sounding CDs: Many mid-1980s CD transfers of 1970s recordings are right up there on the list. Back then, the CD engineers were clueless about getting good sound out of tapes (often 2nd or 3rd generation) that were originally recorded, optimized and EQed for LP records. A few examples: - Santana: -Shango- - Queen: -A Night At The Opera- - George Harrison: -All Things Must Pass- -All Things Must Pass- was even poor sounding as an LP, which is a shame because it has some great tunes. The damn thing sounds like it was recorded with the performers inside a phone booth, and the microphone on the outside. And I don't know what's up with the engineering of Bruce Springsteen's albums, but nearly all of them sound like they were recorded with amateur equipment, including most of the recent releases. I know he's often trying for that "Wall of Sound" style, but it's more like "Wall of Crap". And I am a fan of his music. (The first concert I ever saw in my life, back in 1974, had Springsteen as the warm up act.) IMHO, the Springsteen album that has the best sound quality is the 30th anniversay remaster of -Born To Run-. Even the old live recording from -Hammersmith Odeon, London '75- (included with the 30th Anniv. -Born To Run- set) sounds better than -Live In New York City- recorded 1999-2000. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
My pressing of Southside by Texas is awful. Really awful. Yet the vinyl is amazing sounding so it's not the fault of the recording. -- paulster paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Not for content, but the original release of Terrapin Station is truly horrible P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
magiccarpetride;613593 Wrote: > good question. My example (weather report "mr. Gone") miraculously > covers both -- it is the worst sounding music in my collection, and > also the worst sounding recording in my collection. > > For the purposes of this thread, let's mostly try to focus on the worst > sounding recording, even if the recorded music is brilliant. I realize > that it's much harder to top "mr. Gone" and find an album that is > equally atrocious in both areas. lol. -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
magiccarpetride;613593 Wrote: > Good question. My example (Weather Report "Mr. Gone") miraculously > covers both -- it is the worst sounding music in my collection, and > also the worst sounding recording in my collection. > > For the purposes of this thread, let's mostly try to focus on the worst > sounding recording, even if the recorded music is brilliant. I realize > that it's much harder to top "Mr. Gone" and find an album that is > equally atrocious in both areas. I have lots and lots of truly great and timeless which by today's standards are terrible sounding recordings but at the time of their recording were not particularly bad sounding. I'm speaking of many of the early jazz recordings such as Louis Armstrong and the Hot Five, several of which were acoustically recorded, as in directly to a wax cylinder without any electronics involved. There is no bass, okay mid range and rather tin sounding high end but the music is outstanding. Many, if not most, modern popular music recordings suffer from two sound killing techniques. First and foremost there is the use of dynamic range compression, aka the Loudness War, which make the recordings sound decent on crappy computer speakers and bad car stereos but horrible on almost anything else. Second there is over use of multi-track recording so that final recording has no spacial information and usually sound better in the next room where the all the separate tracks have had a chance to blend together. An example of this would be either of Elvis Costello's first two Warner Bros. recordings, "Spike" and "Mighty Like A Rose" - proudly touted as be recorded in several places and sounding like it. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
ralphpnj;613573 Wrote: > Before I answer I would like some clarification: > > Do you mean the worst sounding recording or the worst sounding music? > To some this may appear to be a minor difference but for me this is a > major difference. TIA! Good question. My example (Weather Report "Mr. Gone") miraculously covers both -- it is the worst sounding music in my collection, and also the worst sounding recording in my collection. For the purposes of this thread, let's mostly try to focus on the worst sounding recording, even if the recorded music is brilliant. I realize that it's much harder to top "Mr. Gone" and find an album that is equally atrocious in both areas. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
"You lucky lucky bastards" :-) Nothing worse than this yet... For old heavy metal fans try dio " holy diver" or any black sabbath. Or cure ? Or "Sisters of mercy" they excell in truly horrible recordings. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Before I answer I would like some clarification: Do you mean the worst sounding recording or the worst sounding music? To some this may appear to be a minor difference but for me this is a major difference. TIA! -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Soulkeeper;613480 Wrote: > My CD version of -Brothers in Arms- (Dire Straits) is pretty horrible. > The drums sound like something from an overdriven 1980 PC speaker (the > small speaker located inside the PC cabinet, not the attachable stuff > that is audiophile in comparison). You may have one of the rare versions with pre-emphasis and didn´t apply de-emphasis. Must sound horrible then indeed. -- Wombat Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
