Re: CCIE Wrtten Dumps? [7:9968]

2001-06-26 Thread EA Louie

The list of questions is one thing...the 'list' of correct answers is
another thing completely!!!

;-)

-e-

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From: Sean Young 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE Wrtten Dumps? [7:9968]


> I took the the CCIE written almost 11 months ago.  It took me and my
> friends 3 times to each
>
> to pass the exam.  Along the way, we were able to recreate a list that
> has about 420 live
>
> CCIE questions and we used it to pass the exams.  I don't know if those
> questions are still
>
> valid with the current exam.  I think Cisco would have a problem if this
> material leaks out
>
> right?  Therefore, the best bet would be to get rid of it (through the
> shredder).
>
> >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >Reply-To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE Wrtten Dumps? [7:9968] >Date:
> Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:07:05 -0400 > >This is obviously a joke, right? >Rob
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>
> 
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Re: what is loopback interface for ? [7:9493]

2001-06-26 Thread Susan Stone

Hi..

Sorry, I need a few more questions to verify whether my understanding on 
loopback is correct or not? Pls answer it.

1) If I have two router A (loopback=192.168.0.1/32) and B 
(loopback192.168.0.2/32), Router A's S1 int 100.100.100.1/24 is connected to 
Router B's S1 100.100.100.2/24. There are no more other connection.  If S1 
of B is down.  Can I still telnet from A to B using B's loopback address.

2) If Router A and B have another connection. Router A's S2 int 
100.200.100.1/24 is connected to Router B's S2 100.200.100.2/24.  If S1 of B 
is down.  Can I still telnet from A to B using B's loopback address?

3) If  Router A doesn't have loopback int configured.  Can we still telnet 
from A to B?

4) Whether the loopback IP address need to be in order or same network?  Let 
say Router A's loopback is 192.168.0.1/32 and Router B's loopback is 
20.20.20.1/8.  Can we still telnet from A to B?

5) If I configured  A's loopback IP to be 192.168.0.1/24, can we still 
configured B's loopback to be 192.168.0.2/24?  Note: there are in same 
network.




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Re: ATM configuration !!! [7:9962]

2001-06-26 Thread NECATI ERTUGRUL

It seems your ATM connection is mapped to two different locations. Then you
should create two
point-to-point subinterfaces and don't use the mapping. A point-to-point
interface is just for one
connection only.




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OT: Beware of Shady Equipment Sales [7:10078]

2001-06-26 Thread Roger Sohn

Most of you are probably aware of this already, but just as a reminder...


Be extremely CAREFUL of outside scam artists that try to solicit and try to
sell you Cisco equipment (or anything for that matter) by contacting you
directly.

I'm constantly bidding/selling on ebay in search of good deals and
occasionally I get emailed outside of auctions if I am interested in
purchasing the same equipment directly.  This one person emailed me the
following offer and he seemed pretty innocent and professional.  He offered
to
sell me 2514's at $450 (very good price) and 2513's at $550 (way too
reasonable), all loaded with 16/16 memory.


I agreed to his offer and informed him that I could deliver cash if he was in
the local area, or pay via COD or escrow.  He came back claiming that he
supposedly "lost tons of money and equipment" through COD and didn't want to
pay costs for escrow (although I offered to split the costs with him).  He
basically said that he could only accept payment of wire transfer and that I
could "trust" him to ship out on the same day on receipt of payment.  I asked
why he didn't post those items on ebay and he says that he'd rather do
business with people directly.  (go figure)  I ended up politely declining
his
offer.  He was never rude or discourteous to me though.

So in a nutshell, be really careful of these types of people.  Who knows, he
could've been legit and honestly been trying to sell decent equipment and
fairly low prices.  Maybe he doesn't want to list his name and maybe he
doesn't have his own business email address, but I'm 99% sure that this guy
is
out to make a quick scam on some sucker who will fall for his trick.




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6509 AND 7200 PROBLEM [7:10077]

2001-06-26 Thread Phantom

Hi

I have 1 router 7200 currently handeling all my connectivity to the company
backbone. I now want to move existing networks (6 Class C's) off the 7200
and only the new 6509's with MSFC2's.

I have configured the uplinks into the backbone from the 6509, this works
fine, when however I add an IP address onto the vlan 1 interface on my MSFC
and unshut the interface the 7200 starts dropping packets. I am currently
running ospf in area 0 and static routes into my vlan1. I am not advertising
the vlan1 interfaces from the MSFC into OSPF at this time.

At the movement I am grabbing at straws to determine what the problem may
be. any thoughts appreciated even if it is very unlikely to be the problem
as I cant see anything obvious from the configs.

Network diagram as follows

--[backbone - OSPF0 ]
|   |  |
   [MSFC] --[MSFC]-[7200]
|   |   | (.1 ip set as default
gateway)
|[vlan1]|   |
|   |  |
 [2924][2924]|
|
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RE: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]

2001-06-26 Thread Quek, Steven

Hi Ryan,

Thanks and good luck for your lab.
Are you going to take that in Singapore?

regards
Steven Quek

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Ngai Hon Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]


Steven,

You could get the token ring whitepaper at 
http://www.ccprep.com/resources/news/archives/Token_Ring2.pdf
The practice exercise (with answer) is in it also.

Good luck.
Ryan

-Original Message-
From: Quek, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]


Hi,

May I know where to download the Token Ring whitepaper?
At the same time the practice the exercise.

Thank you in advance.

regards
Steven Quek

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Ngai Hon Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]


Relief again,

Good luck to the rest of the candidate for written.
Though my mark is low (72%), kind of happy with it.

Material used:
- TCP/IP Routing (get use to OSPF,RIP,EIGRP,IGRP,BGP)
- Boson
- Token Ring whitepaper (please do the exercise!)
- Cisco Website (search engine was extremely useful)
- ACRC & ICRC (config register especially)


Best wishes,
Ryan




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Network Probelms what can it be [7:10075]

2001-06-26 Thread Phantom

Hi

I have 1 router 7200 currently handeling all my connectivity to the company
backbone. I now want to move existing networks (6 Class C's) off the 7200
and only the new 6509's with MSFC2's.

I have configured the uplinks into the backbone from the 6509, this works
fine, when however I add an IP address onto the vlan 1 interface on my MSFC
and unshut the interface the 7200 starts dropping packets. I am currently
running ospf in area 0 and static routes into my vlan1. I am not advertising
the vlan1 interfaces from the MSFC into OSPF at this time.

At the movement I am grabbing at straws to determine what the problem may
be. any thoughts appreciated even if it is very unlikely to be the problem
as I cant see anything obvious from the configs.

Network diagram as follows

--[backbone - OSPF0 ]
|   |  |
   [MSFC] --[MSFC]-[7200]
|   |   | (.1 ip set as default
gateway)
|[vlan1]|   |
|   |  |
 [2924][2924]|
|
|__[PC]




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RE: MyGirlFriend Dogs [7:9891]

2001-06-26 Thread James Wilson

A better question is why the Groupstudy mail server does NOT record the IP
address of the submitter of the message in the headers.  Sendmail records
this information by default unless you configure it not to do so.  For that
matter, why the groupstudy mail server does not have RFC compliant DNS
records configured for their mail server - the forward and reverse dns do
not match, causing TCP wrappers to record it as a security risk in your
syslogs.  Its been broken for a long time...

-
James D. Wilson, CCDA, MCP
"non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"
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fgdfg
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:37 PM
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Subject: MyGirlFriend Dogs [7:9891]


Nice dog...

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Re: Yikes....New product alert.... [7:10031]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

Sure!  Here's the public link:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/

In a nutshell, it's a one rack unit router with two gigabit ethernet ports
that also shares port adapters with the 7500 series routers.  And, it can
process 300kpps!  That's just really spiffy.  However, the downside is that
the "cheap" version without GBICs and port adapters is $19,000.  :-(

John

|  Can you guys share the news for those of us without CCO logins? ;-)
|  
|  Thanks
|  
|  Priscilla
|  
|  At 07:13 PM 6/26/01, Brian wrote:
|  >oh man, lookin at this via the nsp setup, and it supports up to 512megs
of
|  >ramorama :) druel druel..
|  >
|  >http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm
|  >
|  > Bri
|  >
|  >- Original Message -
|  >From: "John Neiberger"
|  >To:
|  >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:53 PM
|  >Subject: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]
|  >
|  >
|  > > This is just scary  I think I'd like to have a couple.  :-)
|  > >
|  > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/
|  > >
|  > > If the CIP came on a port adapter, a couple of these could replace
our
|  > > 7513!
|  
|  
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RE: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]

2001-06-26 Thread Ryan Ngai Hon Kong

Steven,

You could get the token ring whitepaper at 
http://www.ccprep.com/resources/news/archives/Token_Ring2.pdf
The practice exercise (with answer) is in it also.

Good luck.
Ryan

-Original Message-
From: Quek, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]


Hi,

May I know where to download the Token Ring whitepaper?
At the same time the practice the exercise.

Thank you in advance.

regards
Steven Quek

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Ngai Hon Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]


Relief again,

Good luck to the rest of the candidate for written.
Though my mark is low (72%), kind of happy with it.

Material used:
- TCP/IP Routing (get use to OSPF,RIP,EIGRP,IGRP,BGP)
- Boson
- Token Ring whitepaper (please do the exercise!)
- Cisco Website (search engine was extremely useful)
- ACRC & ICRC (config register especially)


Best wishes,
Ryan




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Cisco 4500M for VLAN routing 802.1q & MLS [7:10056]

2001-06-26 Thread Frank Ofus

Hey guys,
Check out the below url for a cheap solution to
learning 802.1q inter-vlan routing and multi-layer
switching for your CCNP/CCIE.  All you really need is
a 4500 cisco series router with regular 10baseT
ethernet ports.

I have a few of these 4500m routers handy if anyone
interested in getting them from me.  Please email me
offline because I have abused enough bandwidth by
sending this email already.  Thanks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249382658

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RE: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]

2001-06-26 Thread Quek, Steven

Hi,

May I know where to download the Token Ring whitepaper?
At the same time the practice the exercise.

Thank you in advance.

regards
Steven Quek

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Ngai Hon Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]


Relief again,

Good luck to the rest of the candidate for written.
Though my mark is low (72%), kind of happy with it.

Material used:
- TCP/IP Routing (get use to OSPF,RIP,EIGRP,IGRP,BGP)
- Boson
- Token Ring whitepaper (please do the exercise!)
- Cisco Website (search engine was extremely useful)
- ACRC & ICRC (config register especially)


Best wishes,
Ryan




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Re: Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth - Refining the Question [7:10070]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

About 18 months ago I asked a similar question, and received some very
useful answers (or at least some useful discussion points)
Responses then were, reasonably enough, that it varies wildly depending on
the application, and that ideally you can do some analysis of the
application.  I threw up a notional figure of 5% for overhead for 'back of
the envelope' calculations when you can't do any application analysis -
some people though it was a bit low, some a bit high.  For most purposes
you're probably better using the 25% figure to make sure you're covered :-)
If you want to search the groupstudy archives for the earlier thread,
search on overhead;rough;measures in December 1999.

JMcL
-- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 27/06/2001
12:00 pm ---


"Priscilla Oppenheimer" @groupstudy.com on 27/06/2001
07:55:50 am

Please respond to "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 

Sent by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:


Subject:  Re: Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth - Refining the Question
  [7:10017]


It's not as simple as it sounds, of course. ;-)

A good start might be Cisco's Technology Overview here:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/index.htm

That document shows typical header lengths for Frame Relay, ATM, ISDN, PPP,
HSSI, SMDS, SDLC, etc.

Search the group study list for more on Cisco's HDLC header. The HDLC frame
format has been published here a few times.

The exact header lengths will depend on which variety of each protocol
you're using. For example, ATM headers are longer with AAL3/4 than with
AAL5?? (I'm not an ATM expert.) Frame Relay fragmentation headers are
different than vanilla Frame Relay headers.

You probably would want to account for other protocol info that is
overhead: call setup, signalling, SLARPs, LMIs, etc.

Then, lest we forget, the equation depends on how much payload the upper
layers put into frames. HTTP typically uses 400-600 byte packets, as do
many database applications. Voice uses 64-byte packets. Terminal
applications (like Telnet) use 64-byte packets. (A user types the letter A.
The letter A is echoed back, and the echo is acknowledged.)

Large frames (1000-1500 bytes) are typical of file transfer activities,
such as saving files, executing applications, loading word processing
documents, using FTP, etc.. E-mail is pretty impossible to predict.
Attachments would use large frames. Message are hopefully small, but
sometimes they are like this message. ;-)

Then how about upper-layer overhead such as TCP acknowledgements? The
number of ACKS depends on window size. Any retransmissions?

And what else uses bandwidth? Routing protocols? Network management?
Tunneling? RSRB?

So Maybe just believe the SE who told you to assume about 25% is
overhead, unless you want to do a real traffic analysis? ;-) 25% seems
believable to me. How expensive is bandwidth? A real analysis might be
worth the work...

Sorry for all the hand-waving, but I'm in a bit of a rush. Hopefully you
see the issues though.

Priscilla



At 04:36 PM 6/26/01, John Neiberger wrote:
>Ah, this is one of those cases where I wasn't really answering the
>question you were asking.  :-)  Sorry about that!
>
>I know I have some information like that around here but I can't find
>it at the moment.  Perhaps some of the listmembers that are more versed
>in network analysis than I could provide some links.  If I can find the
>links that I've used in the past for this type of information, I'll let
>you know.
>
>Regards,
>John
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/26/01 2:04:07 PM >>>
>You're comparing apples to oranges.  A 10BaseT LAN is a shared medium,
>which explains the oft-quoted-but-not-quite-accurate 40% max usage
>figure.  The theory is that with CSMA/CD, as traffic increases so do
>collisions, which forces retransmits.  This is exacerbated in a half
>duplex environment.
>
>Dana's Comment - I realize that LAN and WAN environments are different.
>  I
>was just using the 10Mb quote as an example.
>
>WAN links, such as a T-1, are synchronous (or isochronous or
>pleisochronous or some other x-ochronous word that I don't understand)
>full duplex connections.  This means that frames are travelling boths
>directions over the link at the same speed regardless of the amount of
>traffic to be carried.  In the case of a T-1, if you have 1.536 Mb/s
>of
>data to send, then go for it.  The bandwidth is there if you need it.
>For you hair-splitters, I'm purposefully not getting overly detailed.
>
>Of course, you have to factor in packet headers in your calculations.
>Any data you have to send has to be encapsulated first.  If you're
>using
>IP, then any data packets must be encapsulated with a UDP or TCP
>header
>and then with an IP header.  This packet then must be placed inside
>whichever datalink frame you're using, whether it's Ethernet, HDLC,
>PPP,
>or whatever.  All of this creates overhead that you have to take into
>account when calculating how much band

Re: CCIE Wrtten Dumps? [7:9968]

2001-06-26 Thread Sean Young

I took the the CCIE written almost 11 months ago.  It took me and my
friends 3 times to each

to pass the exam.  Along the way, we were able to recreate a list that
has about 420 live 

CCIE questions and we used it to pass the exams.  I don't know if those
questions are still

valid with the current exam.  I think Cisco would have a problem if this
material leaks out

right?  Therefore, the best bet would be to get rid of it (through the
shredder).

>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >Reply-To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE Wrtten Dumps? [7:9968] >Date:
Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:07:05 -0400 > >This is obviously a joke, right? >Rob
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Using a cisco 2901 switch for CCNP/CCIE exams [7:10068]

2001-06-26 Thread Robert Rojas

I am currently studying for the BCMSN exam and hope to
pursue the CCIE in the future. I want a switch at home
that I can use to study the set-based commands that
Cisco will drill me on. Does anyone recommend
purchasing a 2901 instead of going with the CAT 5000
switch which is considerably more expensive. Any
thoughts??

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Re: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Bryan Long \(Richmond VA\)

I agree, finish your CCNP then go to college. You'd be surprised on what you
can work on in college. Find one w/ a network and a lab!


Bryan
- Original Message -
From: "Sam Sneed" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Way off subject [7:9997]


> You're too young to worry about all this stuff right now. Quit your job,
> work part time if you have to pay some bills. Go away to college. Forget
> about the certs for now. Have fun at college. Enjoy your youth. You will
> have plenty of time to nurture your career afetr college. This is the only
> time you will be young and able to party with people your own age. i.e.
live
> brotha, live!!!
>
>
> Sam Sneed
> a Rutgers Comp Science Graduate and current network admin who had the best
> time of his life in college
>
>
>
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> > Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced
> > professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
> > I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I
> have
> > been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the
next
> > year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get
my
> > computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the
> same
> > time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40
> hours
> > a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on
> > experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production
> network.
> >   I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the
> same
> > time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having
a
> > broader understanding of computer systems.
> > The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself
> to
> > get the degree.
> >
> > Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money)
> and
> > get the degree done.
> > I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am
> > getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the
last
> > year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having
the
> > degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into
management
> > or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know
nothing
> > about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the
> > field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get
> the
> > degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school
> > because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from
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Re: Yikes....New product alert.... [7:10031]

2001-06-26 Thread Bryan Long \(Richmond VA\)

For those w/o a login

Bryan   ->


The Cisco 7400 is the highest performance single-rack unit (RU) router on
the market. Its compact, stackable architecture is expressly designed for
application specific routing deployments in service provider and enterprise
networks. Taking advantage of the Parallel Express Forwarding (PXF)
technology patented by Cisco Systems, the Cisco 7400 delivers a premium
suite of hardware-accelerated network services

Key Features and Benefits Feature Benefit
1 rack unit (RU) form factor with front-to-back airflow and single port
adaptor slot Dramatically reduces the needed amount of costly rack space and
increases processing performance per rack unit
2 fixed 10/100/1000 Mbps ports (RJ-45 for Fast Ethernet and Ethernet, and
Gigabit Interface Converter (GBIC) for Gigabit Ethernet) Maximizes LAN
connectivity without extra rack space
Single AC, double DC power supply with 50W power consumption Lowers power
consumption and increases operational efficiency
Up to 300-kpps processing capability Provides high-performance routing and
processing performance
NSE-1 processor with Parallel Express Forwarding (PXF) technology Delivers
high-performance, hardware-accelerated, high-touch IP services
Cisco IOS Software Supports IP network services including quality of
service, security, compression, and IPSec 3DES encryption at high speed
Broad range of WAN media interfaces from DS0 to OC3 (40+ port adapters)
Allows flexible network configurations
Service Selection Gateway (SSG) Creates value-added revenue by providing
Web-based self-provisioning services
Common port adapters with Cisco 7500 and Cisco 7200 routers Simplifies
stocking spares and protects customer investment in interfaces
Cisco Element Manager Framework (CEMF) and Service Connection Manager (SCM)
Simplifies and accelerates the deployment and management of new services and
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From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]


> substitute "public" for "customer" in the link
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm
>
> this is true for much of CCO
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]
>
>
> Can you guys share the news for those of us without CCO logins? ;-)
>
> Thanks
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 07:13 PM 6/26/01, Brian wrote:
> >oh man, lookin at this via the nsp setup, and it supports up to 512megs
of
> >ramorama :) druel druel..
> >
> >http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm
> >
> > Bri
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "John Neiberger"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:53 PM
> >Subject: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]
> >
> >
> > > This is just scary  I think I'd like to have a couple.  :-)
> > >
> > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/
> > >
> > > If the CIP came on a port adapter, a couple of these could replace our
> > > 7513!
> 
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> http://www.priscilla.com




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Re: CCIE Wrtten Dumps? [7:9968]

2001-06-26 Thread George Murphy CCNP

No, actually after using the dumps for CCIE... He will need dumps for
the upcoming interviews to get through those .LOL.

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This is obviously a joke, right?
Rob H CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
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Re: Cisco 2502 - home lab [7:10019]

2001-06-26 Thread Circusnuts

Pretty decent router.  If you're thinking of Iskok, he's a great reseller
too.  I have purchased a larger percentage of my lab from him.  You will be
bored with the one router by the end of the day.  I bought my first 2501 a
little over 2 years ago.  My wife & I opened the box in excitement, soon to
realize it was about the most uneventful $1000 we'd ever spent (no graphics,
no voice card, & a 20 Megahertz processor :o)

Good Luck !!!  It's a long & expensive journey of "honey I just need to buy
one more router & I swear I'll be all done" :o)>
Phil

- Original Message -
From: "jeremy" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:57 PM
Subject: Cisco 2502 - home lab [7:10019]


> Hi Group!
> I am planning to buy a
> CISCO 2502 Router at ebay from a reputed seller.
> This unit has 16MB RAM, 8MB FLASH, 12.0(17) IP/IPX/AT/DEC Feature Set.
> Comes with  Token-Ring Media Filter.
>
> I would like to know if there are any major drawbacks on this model or if
> the above config seems vague.
> Please let me know if this is sufficient for a home lab??
>  Can I have any suggestions as to what Router I should use to set up my
home
> lab. for my CCNP,IE prep.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Jeremy




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Re: Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth [7:9961]

2001-06-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Folks,
>
>Is there a resource somewhere that discusses the theoretical limits of WAN
>links, i.e. for LANs its generally accepted that on a 10Mb LAN, you can
>only realistically expect to get 4Mb.
>
>Regards,
>
>Dana
>CCNP, CCDP, really want my CCIE written...
>

The classic paper, from DEC WRL, is "Measured and Theoretical 
Capacity of an Ethernet."  I don't have a URL, but search engines 
should turn it up -- presumably that lab is now part of Compaq.

On a broader level, how theoretical do you want to get? Sooner or 
later, any discussion of The Way It Really Works is going to get into 
queueing theory and various statistical disciplines.




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Past my written on 3rd attempt. [7:10062]

2001-06-26 Thread Ryan Ngai Hon Kong

Relief again,

Good luck to the rest of the candidate for written.
Though my mark is low (72%), kind of happy with it.

Material used:
- TCP/IP Routing (get use to OSPF,RIP,EIGRP,IGRP,BGP)
- Boson
- Token Ring whitepaper (please do the exercise!)
- Cisco Website (search engine was extremely useful)
- ACRC & ICRC (config register especially)


Best wishes,
Ryan




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Re: Cisco 2502 - home lab [7:10061]

2001-06-26 Thread Jon

Personally, I like the 2502.  Better to have a 2513/2514, with two LAN
interfaces, but the 2502's tend to be a bit cheaper than the typical Ebay
2501.  One the majority of the 2500 routers, the serial interfaces are the
same, so you'll be okay there.  I have a nice variety of 2500 boxen, and
tend to use the 2502's more than the 2501's, anyway, out of a sick
determination to get my head wrapped around TR.  (Plus I get to tease the
Ethernet-only engineers at work, playing with their collision farms).

To really do anything with the TokenRing interface, you'll also need a
token ring hub, or a token ring MAU (IBM 8228's are cheap, and simple), as
well as another token ring device.  When you configure the rouer's TR
interface, it won't fully come up, unless there's another TR device on the
hub/MAU.  You might look to buy a TR NIC for your PC, to meet this
requirement, until you buy another TR-capable router.  Several ebay
sellers have piles of older TR cards, NICs, and MAUs for pretty cheap.  I
picked up a box full of TR toys last year, it came with a half-dozen NICs,
two 8228 MAUs, and a nice assortment of cables.  Note that the 8228 is a
passive electro-mechanical device, and sometimes the relays inside get
stuck (if it's been dropped).  You can use a TR reset tool ("phaser") to
reset the relays, but they aren't as easy to find as they used to be.  If
you know any dinosaur network engineers, they probably have a spare in
their desk (I bribed a mainframe hippie for mine).

I would also suggest that you purchase a basic 1-year SmartNet contract on
the router, as well (around $275, IIRC).  That gets you access to various
IOS software to run (but not the license to run them -- as long as it's
not for a production network, you'll probably be okay), as well as access
to the Cisco TAC helpdesk to answer questions (no matter how basic) on
setting up your router.  It'll also provide for replacement hardware if
the router breaks, but that's less likely than needing help at 2AM, after
you've had a few beers and the damn LSAs won't show up in the OSPF table. 
(Those TAC engineers in OZ have put up with me more than once, late at
night, failing to grasp simple stuff).

The only other thing I'd mention is that you'll be needing more than one
or two routers for CCIE prep, but start small, until you get the basics
understood.  I think that one router is enough to tackle the CCNA
knowledge, and two is probably enough for CCNP topics.  Three would be
nice, for playing with Frame-Relay emulation, and multi-area OSPF, but see
what your needs are, before you buy more than that.  As you learn more,
you might decide you need a rackfull of boxes, but by then you'll
(hopefully) know enough about the product lines and their capabilities,
and can make better decisions about what to buy to meet your needs -- like
a few 7513s, a pair of LS1010's, maybe a nice Cat8500 ... :)


-jon-

--- jeremy  wrote:
> Hi Group!
> I am planning to buy a
> CISCO 2502 Router at ebay from a reputed seller.
> This unit has 16MB RAM, 8MB FLASH, 12.0(17) IP/IPX/AT/DEC Feature Set.
> Comes with  Token-Ring Media Filter.
> 
> I would like to know if there are any major drawbacks on this model or
> if the above config seems vague.
> Please let me know if this is sufficient for a home lab??
> Can I have any suggestions as to what Router I should use to set up my
> home lab. for my CCNP,IE prep.
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Jeremy

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IP/MAC force binding [7:10060]

2001-06-26 Thread Li Ling

Does somebody know if it is possible to force an IP/MAC address binding on a
Cisco router or switch?

For example, IP packets with source address 192.168.56.1 can only come from
a NIC with MAC address 01-02-03-04-05-06. Any packets with IP source address
192.168.56.1 and another source MAC address are not allowed by the router or
the switch. If the answer is yes, which IOS feature should I use ?

Thanks

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cisco VOIP [7:10059]

2001-06-26 Thread Khairuddin

Hi,

Do you have any configuration sample for VOIP .



Thanks.

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Re: Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth - Refining the Question [7:10058]

2001-06-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

"What is the sound, Grasshopper, of one hand clapping?" said the 
traditional master.

And the techie student answered, "Start an audio recorder. Clap one 
hand. Play back the recording. That is the sound of one hand 
clapping."

If there are some critical applications such as ERP, presumably there 
are at least LAN-based testbeds for them.  Why not take some actual 
measurements, especially that show the interactions of multiple 
clients and servers?  I'd try to do this as much as possible on 10 
Mbps switched Ethernet, to be at least somewhat comparable to WAN 
links.

I suspect you are looking more for utilization than absolute lengths, 
but you should be able to do some extrapolation.  As a general 
observation in queueing theory, latency starts going up, with 
reliable transfer protocols, much above 50% utilization.

At a given MTU level, I suspect the data link header lengths will not 
be a significant difference. Signaling? FR and ATM have them, but LMI 
traffic isn't all that frequent. Will you be running CDP?

Signaling involved in setting up VCs only occur at setup (surprise!), 
and whether they are Q.2931 or PPP, will be lost in the noise if the 
circuit stays up for any appreciable time.




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6509 MSFC problem [7:10057]

2001-06-26 Thread Ronald James

Hi,

I have two 6509s (A&B) with two MSFC on each running mslp and hsrp.  Did
anyone heard about there's problem running mslp and hsrp with four MSFC
failover?  the problem is that there are only two MSFC failover but don't
apply to all four, if you have experience on this problem, please help!  The
other problem I've had is that, assuming there are only two MSFC running
active & passive mode, it shows status is 'others' instead of 'ok', anyone
knows what's happening?  My guess is on the active node(Switch A), hsrp
already failover to the passive(Switch B) one, so layer 3 is fuctioning.
However, the Switch A still passing traffic to the associated MSFC, so it
causes traffic jam in Switch A, but in fact the traffic should go through
Switch B instead.  Please suggest...




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Re: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R [7:10055]

2001-06-26 Thread cheekin

m means run from memory.  z means it is compressed.  That was what I found
out from Cisco site sometime back.

cheekin

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From: "Neil Schneider" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 20:32
Subject: Re: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R [7:9956]


> I am pretty sure the M means it is a compressed IOS.
>
> Neil
>
>
> ""Sam Deckert""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Check the image name from the sh ver - if it contains an 'm' it means
run
> > from memory I think.
> >
> > Here are the examples someone else used - you can see it from these:
> >
> > IOS for 1600:
> >
> > c1600-y-l.113-11b.bin
> >
> >
> > IOS for 1600R:
> >
> > c1600-y-mz.120-9.bin
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Sam.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Raul F. Fernandez-WCOMM"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:38 AM
> > Subject: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R series.
> > [7:9797]
> >
> >
> > > Dear Folks,
> > >
> > > Hope all is going well for everyone. I have a real quick question.
From
> > the
> > > "show ver" is there a way to determine the difference between a 1600
and
> > > 1600R series routers. Also will a 1600R run regualr 1600 code? Thank
> you.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Raul




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Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]

2001-06-26 Thread g_study

I should have looked closer. Thanks.
- Original Message -
From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]


> Debug is kind of limited. You could get a free analyzer!? I encourage it.
> There's a list of analyzers here:
>
> http://wwwhost.ots.utexas.edu/ethernet/enet-analyzers.html
>
> By the way, I did answer your question the first time. I'm not sure that
> you saw that. On Ethernet, CDP sends to the Cisco multicast address
> 01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.
>
> I hope that didn't ruin the surprise. ;-)
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 05:26 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I turned all debugging for CDP on and I am no seeing much? I don't have a
> >sniffer.
> >
> >r2#sh cdp nei
> >Capability Codes: R - Router, T - Trans Bridge, B - Source Route Bridge
> >   S - Switch, H - Host, I - IGMP
> >
> >Device IDLocal Intrfce HoldtmeCapability  Platform  Port
ID
> >r3  Eth 2/0134  R 1000  Eth 0
> >r4  Eth 2/1124  R 2500  Eth 0
> >r2#
> >
> >r2#debug cdp ?
> >   adjacency  CDP neighbor info
> >   events CDP events
> >   packetsCDP packet-related information
> >
> >
> >r2(config-if)#
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> >%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed
state
> >to d
> >CDP-EV: Encapsulation on interface Serial0/0 failed
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/1
> >%LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to administratively
> >down
> >
> >r2(config-if)#no shut
> >r2(config-if)#
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> >%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed
state
> >to
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> >CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
> >CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> >%LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to up
> >
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]
> >
> >
> > > At 06:21 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast?
> > >
> > > Why don't you turn on debug or use an analyzer and find out for
> yourself!?
> > > :-) You would learn a lot.
> > >
> > > >  The frame contains no
> > > >source
> > > >or destination.
> > >
> > > If it contains no destination, then why are you wondering if it is
> >destined
> > > to a broadcast, multicast, or unicast address?
> > >
> > > On LANs, it does contain a source (the router or switch that is
sending
> >the
> > > info) and a destination, the Cisco multicast address
01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the statement meant that on a point-to-point WAN link it
doesn't
> > > include a source and destination. That could be true.
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > >  It consists of a header, followed by a set of variable-length
> > > >fields consisting of type/length/value.
> > > 
> > >
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > http://www.priscilla.com
> 
>
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trade for cisco router and switch [7:10053]

2001-06-26 Thread hongbin xiong

I have the cisco 6000 modules, I want to trade for routers and switch

ws-x6k-sup1-2ge
ws-x6k-sup1a-2ge
ws-x6408
ws-x6248

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RE: bandwidth research [7:9993]

2001-06-26 Thread Chuck Larrieu

in Terry Slattery's book Advanced IP Routing in Cisco Networks ( 2nd
edition - I don't recall the discussion in the first edition ) thee is a
discussion about bandwidth requirements in conjunction with TCP sliding
windows. pages 47ff. might want to check that out.

anecdotal evidence abounds that apps developers always claim problems with
applications over WANS are due to insufficient bandwidth, while skilled
sniffer users prove repeatedly that the problems tend to have more to do
with poor application behaviour.

Chuck

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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: bandwidth research [7:9993]


Hello,
I'm trying to determine the bandwidth requirements my company will have upon
deploying a new ERP application along with centralized Internet, e-mail,
VoIP, etc.

I am having a difficult time finding news groups or any info on determining
what bandwidth is used by Java apps, Citrix MetaFrame, and other apps along
this line.

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

Thx.

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RE: Yikes....New product alert.... [7:10031]

2001-06-26 Thread Feargal Ledwidge

Basically its a high end (comparable to 7200 VXR) in a 1U chassis and
appears aimed at the service provider market.

Heres what Cisco have to say:

"Cisco Systems has developed a flexible and robust network services gateway
to meet these needs: the Cisco 7401 ASR-GW. The Cisco 7401 ASR-GW combines
high performance and availability with a rich feature set and ease of
management. The Cisco 7401 ASR-GW extends the Cisco product portfolio by
providing industry-leading performance and rich IP services in a one-rack
unit (1RU) form factor. The Cisco 7401 ASR-GW is the result of combining the
small form factor of Cisco routers such as the Cisco 2600 and 3620 Series
with the performance and services of the Cisco 7200 VXR Series. The Cisco
Parallel Express Forwarding (PXF) technology embedded in the Cisco 7401
ASR-GW is the key for delivering the line-rate performance and features
required in a state-of-the-art network services gateway."

Looks kinda groovy .

Feargal
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Laid off CCNP - Will work for food !!

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Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]


Can you guys share the news for those of us without CCO logins? ;-)

Thanks

Priscilla

At 07:13 PM 6/26/01, Brian wrote:
>oh man, lookin at this via the nsp setup, and it supports up to 512megs of
>ramorama :) druel druel..
>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm
>
> Bri
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "John Neiberger"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:53 PM
>Subject: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]
>
>
> > This is just scary  I think I'd like to have a couple.  :-)
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/
> >
> > If the CIP came on a port adapter, a couple of these could replace our
> > 7513!


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RE: Yikes....New product alert.... [7:10031]

2001-06-26 Thread Chuck Larrieu

substitute "public" for "customer" in the link

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm

this is true for much of CCO

Chuck

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Can you guys share the news for those of us without CCO logins? ;-)

Thanks

Priscilla

At 07:13 PM 6/26/01, Brian wrote:
>oh man, lookin at this via the nsp setup, and it supports up to 512megs of
>ramorama :) druel druel..
>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm
>
> Bri
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "John Neiberger"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:53 PM
>Subject: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]
>
>
> > This is just scary  I think I'd like to have a couple.  :-)
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/
> >
> > If the CIP came on a port adapter, a couple of these could replace our
> > 7513!


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RE: Access list problem [7:9939]

2001-06-26 Thread Thomas Crowe

If you are trying to let everyone out to surf the web, and assuming that you
ACL is applied to inbound traffic on your internet facing interface.  You
are missing a rule to allow established tcp sessions back in:
permit tcp any any eq estab
Since this will probably be the rule that gets the most matches I would
place it as rule 1.  Let me know if this works for you.

__

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Technical Director
Research & Development
CTS - Atlanta
Phone: 770-664-3900 ext 45
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Hi All,

I thought I was on top of access lists, until today. When ever I apply
this particualr access list in IOS 11.2 , nothing on the network can
view internet pages. They can ping no problem but nothing else. Please
advise if you can, on which line the error is.
Thanks all, I appreciate it.

Extended IP access list 110
deny   tcp any any eq 139
permit udp any any eq domain
permit tcp any any eq domain
permit icmp any any
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.200 eq ftp-data
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.200 eq ftp
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.200 eq 22
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq ftp-data
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq ftp
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq www
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq 3389
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.215 eq smtp
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.215 eq www
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.215 eq 3389
permit ip host 203.111.42.224 any
permit ip host 203.111.42.225 any
permit ip host 203.111.42.226 any

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Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Debug is kind of limited. You could get a free analyzer!? I encourage it. 
There's a list of analyzers here:

http://wwwhost.ots.utexas.edu/ethernet/enet-analyzers.html

By the way, I did answer your question the first time. I'm not sure that 
you saw that. On Ethernet, CDP sends to the Cisco multicast address 
01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.

I hope that didn't ruin the surprise. ;-)

Priscilla

At 05:26 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I turned all debugging for CDP on and I am no seeing much? I don't have a
>sniffer.
>
>r2#sh cdp nei
>Capability Codes: R - Router, T - Trans Bridge, B - Source Route Bridge
>   S - Switch, H - Host, I - IGMP
>
>Device IDLocal Intrfce HoldtmeCapability  Platform  Port ID
>r3  Eth 2/0134  R 1000  Eth 0
>r4  Eth 2/1124  R 2500  Eth 0
>r2#
>
>r2#debug cdp ?
>   adjacency  CDP neighbor info
>   events CDP events
>   packetsCDP packet-related information
>
>
>r2(config-if)#
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
>%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state
>to d
>CDP-EV: Encapsulation on interface Serial0/0 failed
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/1
>%LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to administratively
>down
>
>r2(config-if)#no shut
>r2(config-if)#
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
>%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state
>to
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
>CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
>CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
>%LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to up
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:45 PM
>Subject: Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]
>
>
> > At 06:21 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast?
> >
> > Why don't you turn on debug or use an analyzer and find out for
yourself!?
> > :-) You would learn a lot.
> >
> > >  The frame contains no
> > >source
> > >or destination.
> >
> > If it contains no destination, then why are you wondering if it is
>destined
> > to a broadcast, multicast, or unicast address?
> >
> > On LANs, it does contain a source (the router or switch that is sending
>the
> > info) and a destination, the Cisco multicast address 01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.
> >
> > Perhaps the statement meant that on a point-to-point WAN link it doesn't
> > include a source and destination. That could be true.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > >  It consists of a header, followed by a set of variable-length
> > >fields consisting of type/length/value.
> > 
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > http://www.priscilla.com


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Re: Yikes....New product alert.... [7:10031]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Can you guys share the news for those of us without CCO logins? ;-)

Thanks

Priscilla

At 07:13 PM 6/26/01, Brian wrote:
>oh man, lookin at this via the nsp setup, and it supports up to 512megs of
>ramorama :) druel druel..
>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm
>
> Bri
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "John Neiberger"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:53 PM
>Subject: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]
>
>
> > This is just scary  I think I'd like to have a couple.  :-)
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/
> >
> > If the CIP came on a port adapter, a couple of these could replace our
> > 7513!


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Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Try debug ?

You'll see that there's a debug cdp. I don't know how useful it is though.

There's a bunch of debug commands. Debug packet is generally used when you 
don't see anything with the more specific commands because the router can't 
figure out what the frame is.

Also, start here for Cisco documentation:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/home/home.htm

 From there go to Cisco IOS Software Configuration. Go to the IOS version 
you are using. Go to Supporting Documents, which includes a Debug Command 
Reference!  Good luck.

Please send messages to the group, not to me. Thanks.

Priscilla

At 05:27 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>
>r2#debug packet
>Packet debugging is on
>r2#
>CDP-PA: Packet received from r4 on interface Ethernet2/1
>**Entry  found in cache**
>CDP-PA: Packet received from r3 on interface Ethernet2/0
>**Entry  found in cache**
>
>
>I see CDP stuff but it doesn't answer my question? Can you help me out?
>- Original Message -
>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:45 PM
>Subject: Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]
>
>
> > At 06:21 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast?
> >
> > Why don't you turn on debug or use an analyzer and find out for
yourself!?
> > :-) You would learn a lot.
> >
> > >  The frame contains no
> > >source
> > >or destination.
> >
> > If it contains no destination, then why are you wondering if it is
>destined
> > to a broadcast, multicast, or unicast address?
> >
> > On LANs, it does contain a source (the router or switch that is sending
>the
> > info) and a destination, the Cisco multicast address 01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.
> >
> > Perhaps the statement meant that on a point-to-point WAN link it doesn't
> > include a source and destination. That could be true.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > >  It consists of a header, followed by a set of variable-length
> > >fields consisting of type/length/value.
> > 
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > http://www.priscilla.com


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Re: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R [7:10045]

2001-06-26 Thread Neil Schneider

1605 has two ethernet ports.

Neil


""Kenneth""  wrote in message
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> I believe if you have a 1600, it only has one built-in ethernet port while
a
> 1600R has two
>
> I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's pretty accurate
>
> ""Charles Manafa""  wrote in message
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> > mz is compressed and runs in memory
> >
> > CM
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Neil Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 26 June 2001 13:33
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R
> > > [7:9956]
> > >
> > >
> > > I am pretty sure the M means it is a compressed IOS.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > ""Sam Deckert""  wrote in message
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Check the image name from the sh ver - if it contains an
> > > 'm' it means run
> > > > from memory I think.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the examples someone else used - you can see it from these:
> > > >
> > > > IOS for 1600:
> > > >
> > > > c1600-y-l.113-11b.bin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IOS for 1600R:
> > > >
> > > > c1600-y-mz.120-9.bin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > > Sam.
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Raul F. Fernandez-WCOMM"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:38 AM
> > > > Subject: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a
> > > 1600R series.
> > > > [7:9797]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope all is going well for everyone. I have a real quick
> > > question. From
> > > > the
> > > > > "show ver" is there a way to determine the difference
> > > between a 1600 and
> > > > > 1600R series routers. Also will a 1600R run regualr 1600
> > > code? Thank
> > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Raul




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Re: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R [7:10044]

2001-06-26 Thread Kenneth

I believe if you have a 1600, it only has one built-in ethernet port while a
1600R has two

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's pretty accurate

""Charles Manafa""  wrote in message
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> mz is compressed and runs in memory
>
> CM
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Neil Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 26 June 2001 13:33
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R
> > [7:9956]
> >
> >
> > I am pretty sure the M means it is a compressed IOS.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > ""Sam Deckert""  wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Check the image name from the sh ver - if it contains an
> > 'm' it means run
> > > from memory I think.
> > >
> > > Here are the examples someone else used - you can see it from these:
> > >
> > > IOS for 1600:
> > >
> > > c1600-y-l.113-11b.bin
> > >
> > >
> > > IOS for 1600R:
> > >
> > > c1600-y-mz.120-9.bin
> > >
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > Sam.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Raul F. Fernandez-WCOMM"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:38 AM
> > > Subject: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a
> > 1600R series.
> > > [7:9797]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Hope all is going well for everyone. I have a real quick
> > question. From
> > > the
> > > > "show ver" is there a way to determine the difference
> > between a 1600 and
> > > > 1600R series routers. Also will a 1600R run regualr 1600
> > code? Thank
> > you.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Raul




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Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]

2001-06-26 Thread Rajesh Kumar

CDP frame is a multicast.  It is not a unicast/broadcast.

You can see this information from www.cisco.com

Rajesh


"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:

> I turned all debugging for CDP on and I am no seeing much? I don't have a
> sniffer.
>
> r2#sh cdp nei
> Capability Codes: R - Router, T - Trans Bridge, B - Source Route Bridge
>   S - Switch, H - Host, I - IGMP
>
> Device IDLocal Intrfce HoldtmeCapability  Platform  Port ID
> r3  Eth 2/0134  R 1000  Eth 0
> r4  Eth 2/1124  R 2500  Eth 0
> r2#
>
> r2#debug cdp ?
>   adjacency  CDP neighbor info
>   events CDP events
>   packetsCDP packet-related information
>
> r2(config-if)#
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state
> to d
> CDP-EV: Encapsulation on interface Serial0/0 failed
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/1
> %LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to administratively
> down
>
> r2(config-if)#no shut
> r2(config-if)#
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state
> to
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
> CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
> CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
> %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to up
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]
>
> > At 06:21 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast?
> >
> > Why don't you turn on debug or use an analyzer and find out for
yourself!?
> > :-) You would learn a lot.
> >
> > >  The frame contains no
> > >source
> > >or destination.
> >
> > If it contains no destination, then why are you wondering if it is
> destined
> > to a broadcast, multicast, or unicast address?
> >
> > On LANs, it does contain a source (the router or switch that is sending
> the
> > info) and a destination, the Cisco multicast address 01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.
> >
> > Perhaps the statement meant that on a point-to-point WAN link it doesn't
> > include a source and destination. That could be true.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > >  It consists of a header, followed by a set of variable-length
> > >fields consisting of type/length/value.
> > 
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > http://www.priscilla.com

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ATT Frame-relay lmi type [7:10042]

2001-06-26 Thread Kenneth

Has anyone of you configured a router to connect to ATT's frame cloud? My
router is sending lmi's but ATT said all they see is that I'm sending 3
bytes of lmi for every frame when their frame switch was expecting 15 bytes
of lmi.

Also, can anyone provide me with the usual ATT frame information such as the
encapsulation type, lmi type,...

I use lmi-type ansi and encap ietf

ATT said they use Strata for their lmi what's Strata?

Thanks guys!




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Re: ip default-network 0.0.0.0? [7:10027]

2001-06-26 Thread Kenneth

Depending on what routing protocol you're using, the default-network forces
the router to advertise itself as the default gateway of the receiving
router... In case of EIGRP, if you don't explicitly create an ip route
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x, the remote router will not know how to route
packets destined for unknown subnets. If you create the ip default-network
y.y.y.y on the headend, the headend router will advertise itself as the
default gateway for the route.



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> What will this do?
> ip default-network 0.0.0.0
>
> Is this preferred over routing protocols?




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Re: CCIE Wrtten Dumps? [7:9968]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is obviously a joke, right?
Rob H CCNP, CCDP, MCSE




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Re: Administrative Distance [7:9921]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thomas,
Surejust use the distance parameter at the end of the ip route command:
ip route (network prefix)(mask)(next hop router) 1-255.
"1" being the highest possible distance and "255" causing the router to not
ever use this route.
This is called a floating static route.
HTH,
Rob H




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Re: What's the normal convergence time in EIGRP ? [7:9864]

2001-06-26 Thread Bradley J. Wilson

I dunno, we're still waiting. ;-)


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What's the normal convergence time in EIGRP ?




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Re: AGS+ How to set it from 110v to 220v ? [7:9955]

2001-06-26 Thread Gareth Hinton

Sorry, you're right, that was AGS only.

Sorry same bad news for AGS+:

120 volts alternating current (AC) for the MAS-400 version and 220 volts AC
for the MAS-400B and MAS-25 versions.

URL - watch the wrap:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/core/cisagspl/agscfig/78628.
htm


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> I'll sell you another one and you can run them in series.
>
> :-)
>
> Sorry - bad joke.
>
>
>
> URL below suggests that the power supplies are different. MAS 11 for 110V
or
> MAS 11B for 220V
>
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_serv/cisasm/asm_c
> fig/21762.htm
>
>
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> > Hi group,
> >
> > Just have a chance to play with the AGS+ (with a broken on/off switch
when
> > arrive!)  :  (  But the voltage is 110v only, I saw some info. from
Cisco
> > web that it can be 220v as well. Anyone can help me without using the
> > voltage converter, How to set the jumper or precise instruction?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > anyong




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Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I turned all debugging for CDP on and I am no seeing much? I don't have a
sniffer.

r2#sh cdp nei
Capability Codes: R - Router, T - Trans Bridge, B - Source Route Bridge
  S - Switch, H - Host, I - IGMP

Device IDLocal Intrfce HoldtmeCapability  Platform  Port ID
r3  Eth 2/0134  R 1000  Eth 0
r4  Eth 2/1124  R 2500  Eth 0
r2#

r2#debug cdp ?
  adjacency  CDP neighbor info
  events CDP events
  packetsCDP packet-related information


r2(config-if)#
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 going down
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 going down
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 going down
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state
to d
CDP-EV: Encapsulation on interface Serial0/0 failed
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/1
%LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to administratively
down

r2(config-if)#no shut
r2(config-if)#
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
%LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state
to
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0 coming up
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.1 coming up
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.1
CDP-AD: Interface Ethernet2/0.2 coming up
CDP-PA: Packet sent out on Ethernet2/0.2
%LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Ethernet2/0, changed state to up



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From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]


> At 06:21 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast?
>
> Why don't you turn on debug or use an analyzer and find out for yourself!?
> :-) You would learn a lot.
>
> >  The frame contains no
> >source
> >or destination.
>
> If it contains no destination, then why are you wondering if it is
destined
> to a broadcast, multicast, or unicast address?
>
> On LANs, it does contain a source (the router or switch that is sending
the
> info) and a destination, the Cisco multicast address 01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.
>
> Perhaps the statement meant that on a point-to-point WAN link it doesn't
> include a source and destination. That could be true.
>
> Priscilla
>
> >  It consists of a header, followed by a set of variable-length
> >fields consisting of type/length/value.
> 
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
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RE: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Jon Krabbenschmidt

College degree! It is the most important thing you can do. With a degree you
are assured a job of some sort, and if things get really bad you can always
head back for grad work and grow more. Certifications come and go, but the
degree remains the constant in an ever changing job market place.

Jon

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Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced 
professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I have 
been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next 
year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get my 
computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same

time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40 hours

a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on 
experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network.

  I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same 
time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a 
broader understanding of computer systems.
The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to 
get the degree.

Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and

get the degree done.
I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am 
getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last 
year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having the 
degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management 
or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing 
about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the 
field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the 
degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school 
because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my 
job because I am focusing on school.  Any suggestions?
_
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ip default-network 0.0.0.0? [7:10027]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What will this do?
ip default-network 0.0.0.0

Is this preferred over routing protocols?




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Re: Passed CCIE Written but NOT doing lab [7:3568]

2001-06-26 Thread David L. Blair

April 1, 2001

-dlb

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> Speaking of the Lab.  Anyone notice when it went up to $1250?  Not that
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> ready to schedule it, but I've always heard it was $1K.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/exam_preparation/lab.html#11
>
> --
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> > No one ever said anything about BS'ing the lab ??
> > Once again, an e-mail passed around so many times, it
> > becomes an old wives tale.
> >
> >
> > --- Jim Gillen  wrote:
> > > Agree, in spades
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
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> > > Jim Gillen
> > >
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> > > Caroll's right, you can't BS that lab!
> > >
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> > > Carroll Kong
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:44 PM
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> > > [7:3568]
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:27 PM 5/8/01 -0400, Chris Haller wrote:
> > > >The school I am currently attending for CCIE
> > > >written/lab is pumping out "paper" CCIE's faster
> > > than
> > > >I can say .. "help, the written ccie is almost as
> > > >worthless as the mcse"
> > > >
> > > >Juniper ??  I hear their test is twice as hard as
> > > >CCIE.  Mabey you should attempt that one 
> > >
> > > But by definition, there is no paper CCIE.  You have
> > > no CCIE certification
> > > if you only pass the qualifier (written exam).  I do
> > > not know if you can
> > > even consider it "half way" there.  It is just a
> > > prelude of things to come
> > > and to weed out people.  I have not taken the
> > > written personally, so not
> > > sure if it is "bookwormable".  I am assuming it is
> > > since anything written /
> > > multiple choice ends up being that way in the end.
> > >
> > > The Juniper written lab or the juniper practical lab
> > > is "twice" as
> > > hard?If it is more emphasis on ISIS or
> > > Juniper-isms, it is a
> > > matter of spending some time to apply your basic
> > > networking knowledge to
> > > understand new protocols (ISIS isn't concentrated on
> > > as heavily in CCIE
> > > exams if I remember correctly) and learning a
> > > particular company's
> > > "isms".  Or working with the company's particular
> > > hardware.  (ouch, good
> > > luck finding those guys on ebay for a good price).
> > > Should not be too hard
> > > for good networking guys (written part), exposure to
> > > the hardcore equipment
> > > might be hard, but also makes you wonder if the
> > > market space is really that
> > > big for heavy duty core work.
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ipx helper-address or an ipx type-20-propagation [7:10034]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

do these commands have to be used together

ipx helper-address or an ipx type-20-propagation

or do they do the same thing?




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Re: Yikes....New product alert.... [7:10031]

2001-06-26 Thread Brian

oh man, lookin at this via the nsp setup, and it supports up to 512megs of
ramorama :) druel druel..

http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/prodlit/asrgw_an.htm

Bri

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Subject: YikesNew product alert [7:10031]


> This is just scary  I think I'd like to have a couple.  :-)
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/
>
> If the CIP came on a port adapter, a couple of these could replace our
> 7513!




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redistribution of network 0.0.0.0, use the default-information [7:10032]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Does default-information originate injecting 0.0.0.0 in OSPF? Do you have to
be careful when injecting 0.0.0.0 in OSPF?




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Yikes....New product alert.... [7:10031]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

This is just scary  I think I'd like to have a couple.  :-)

http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/rt/7400rt/ 

If the CIP came on a port adapter, a couple of these could replace our
7513!




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Re: Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 06:21 PM 6/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast?

Why don't you turn on debug or use an analyzer and find out for yourself!? 
:-) You would learn a lot.

>  The frame contains no
>source
>or destination.

If it contains no destination, then why are you wondering if it is destined 
to a broadcast, multicast, or unicast address?

On LANs, it does contain a source (the router or switch that is sending the 
info) and a destination, the Cisco multicast address 01:00:0C:CC:CC:CC.

Perhaps the statement meant that on a point-to-point WAN link it doesn't 
include a source and destination. That could be true.

Priscilla

>  It consists of a header, followed by a set of variable-length
>fields consisting of type/length/value.


Priscilla Oppenheimer
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RE: Access list problem [7:9939]

2001-06-26 Thread Tony van Ree

Hi,

This to me would seem to be a fairly standard sort of access-list where you
are enforcing all to use internal proxies

permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq www
permit tcp any host 203.111.42.215 eq www

These can then get the required data from the web.  I assume these are
running proxy services.  If you point your browser directly ouit to the web
you will get nothing.

Just a thought,

Teunis
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia


On Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 04:59:00 AM, Charles Manafa wrote:

> It appears that you are allowing web access (www) to only two servers (.204
> and .215). Which direction are you applying this acl, are you hosting the
> web services?
> 
> CM
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Brandis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 26 June 2001 09:26
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Access list problem [7:9939]
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I thought I was on top of access lists, until today. When ever I apply
> > this particualr access list in IOS 11.2 , nothing on the network can
> > view internet pages. They can ping no problem but nothing else. Please
> > advise if you can, on which line the error is.
> > Thanks all, I appreciate it.
> > 
> > Extended IP access list 110
> > deny   tcp any any eq 139
> > permit udp any any eq domain
> > permit tcp any any eq domain
> > permit icmp any any
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.200 eq ftp-data
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.200 eq ftp
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.200 eq 22
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq ftp-data
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq ftp
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq www
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.204 eq 3389
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.215 eq smtp
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.215 eq www
> > permit tcp any host 203.111.42.215 eq 3389
> > permit ip host 203.111.42.224 any
> > permit ip host 203.111.42.225 any
> > permit ip host 203.111.42.226 any
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Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? [7:10024]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is a CDP frame a broadcast, multicast or unicast? The frame contains no
source
or destination. It consists of a header, followed by a set of variable-length
fields consisting of type/length/value.




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Cisco 2502 - home lab [7:10026]

2001-06-26 Thread jeremy

Hi Group!
I am planning to buy a
CISCO 2502 Router at ebay from a reputed seller.
This unit has 16MB RAM, 8MB FLASH, 12.0(17) IP/IPX/AT/DEC Feature Set.
Comes with  Token-Ring Media Filter.

I would like to know if there are any major drawbacks on this model or if
the above config seems vague.
Please let me know if this is sufficient for a home lab??
 Can I have any suggestions as to what Router I should use to set up my
home
lab. for my CCNP,IE prep.

Thanks a lot,

Jeremy




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Re: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Sam Sneed

You're too young to worry about all this stuff right now. Quit your job,
work part time if you have to pay some bills. Go away to college. Forget
about the certs for now. Have fun at college. Enjoy your youth. You will
have plenty of time to nurture your career afetr college. This is the only
time you will be young and able to party with people your own age. i.e. live
brotha, live!!!


Sam Sneed
a Rutgers Comp Science Graduate and current network admin who had the best
time of his life in college




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> Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced
> professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
> I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I
have
> been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next
> year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get my
> computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the
same
> time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40
hours
> a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on
> experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production
network.
>   I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the
same
> time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a
> broader understanding of computer systems.
> The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself
to
> get the degree.
>
> Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money)
and
> get the degree done.
> I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am
> getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last
> year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having the
> degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management
> or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing
> about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the
> field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get
the
> degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school
> because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my
> job because I am focusing on school.  Any suggestions?
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ip default-network [7:10023]

2001-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Specify a default network.  ip default-network network-number



What is meant by ip default-network ? Is it similar to ip default-gateway? Is
it a fall back if your routing protocol dies?




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NetBIOS names [7:10022]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

The last byte of a NetBIOS name is usually put in between a less-than or 
greater-than symbol, which the e-mail server thought was HTML and stripped. 
Sigh. ;-)

Here they are again.

00 redirector name
03 main user name
05 alias name
20 server name

Priscilla

At 05:31 PM 6/26/01, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>I found the documentation on what the last byte of a NetBIOS name means.
>Though it's not very "user friendly," here it is:
>
>  redirector name
>  main user name
>  alias name
>  server name
>
>This leads me to believe that RND is a workstation running a
>redirector, which is normal. I think it is quite odd, however, that the
>CDTOWER server sends a datagram to the RND workstation as a broadcast.
>
>If the server were using port 137, which is often used for naming
>announcements, then it wouldn't be weird. But it's using port 138. NetBIOS
>ports are:
>
>137 Name Service
>138 Datagram Service
>139 Session Service
>
>So what might cause CDTOWER's TCP/IP stack to think that 192.65.2.255 is a
>broadcast? (What might have caused the stack to tell the data-link layer to
>send the frame to the broadcast address?) CDTOWER's own IP address is
>192.65.2.192.
>
>We can't tell the subnet mask from the frames, but anyone have any
>theories? It's good practice in bit-twiddling. There are many possibilities.
>
>How CDTOWER got the IP address for RND to start with is another (harder)
>mystery
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 04:09 PM 6/26/01, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >2100 broadcasts in 30 minutes might be OK, actually. Can you tell us how
> >much bandwidth they are using? Can you tell us what percentage of the
> >packets are broadcasts? A rule of thumb that Cisco teaches is that no more
> >than 20% of your packets should be broadcasts. The main problem with
> >broadcasts is that they interrupt station CPUs, but with the high-speed of
> >CPUs these days, that is less of an issue.
> >
> >You seem to be running NetBT, which is NetBIOS over TCP/IP. (NetBEUI is
> >NetBIOS running directly on a data-link, which is not what you are
> >running.) NetBIOS sends lots of broadcasts. In this example, the server
> >CDTOWER is sending a broadcast. You need to find out if that is necessary
> >on your network or not. It seems a bit odd that CDTOWER is sending the
> >frame directly to RND at the NetBIOS layer but to a broadcast address at
> >the network and data-link layers. Sometimes a subnet mask misconfiguration
> >can cause such a problem. Check CDTOWER and RND's configs.
> >
> >The last byte of a NetBIOS name tells you what kind of device it is.
> >CDTOWER ends with x20, which means server, if I remember correctly. RND
> >ends with 0x0 and I have forgotten what that means and my NetBIOS
> >documentation is packed away. But you could find this somewhere on the Net
> >or one of our esteemed colleagues probably knows.
> >
> >I don't recognize the other broadcast packets. They have an 802.3 length
> >field of 0 even though there's data in the packet. It sounds like a bug?
> >Would it be possible to find the station sending them (0:8:c7:d2:4a:ab)
and
> >check its configuration?
> >
> >Priscilla
> >
> >At 05:20 AM 6/26/01, Ramesh c wrote:
> > >I did a kind of traffic study on my network and here it goes
> > >
> > >1)I get about 2100 broadcast packets in 30minutes.Does that sound a
alarm
>in
> > >my network?
> > >
> > >-
> > >2)Most of the Broadcast of this type...
> > >57   0.03870  10.65.2.192 -> 10.65.2.255  NBT Datagram Service Type=17
> > >Source=CDTOWER[20]
> > >
> > >ETHER:  - Ether Header -
> > >ETHER:
> > >ETHER:  Packet 57 arrived at 14:44:47.57
> > >ETHER:  Packet size = 266 bytes
> > >ETHER:  Destination = ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, (broadcast)
> > >ETHER:  Source  = 0:60:b0:b6:b2:62,
> > >ETHER:  Ethertype = 0800 (IP)
> > >ETHER:
> > >IP:   - IP Header -
> > >IP:
> > >IP:   Version = 4
> > >IP:   Header length = 20 bytes
> > >IP:   Type of service = 0x00
> > >IP: xxx.  = 0 (precedence)
> > >IP: ...0  = normal delay
> > >IP:  0... = normal throughput
> > >IP:  .0.. = normal reliability
> > >IP:   Total length = 252 bytes
> > >IP:   Identification = 22165
> > >IP:   Flags = 0x0
> > >IP: .0..  = may fragment
> > >IP: ..0.  = last fragment
> > >IP:   Fragment offset = 0 bytes
> > >IP:   Time to live = 64 seconds/hops
> > >IP:   Protocol = 17 (UDP)
> > >IP:   Header checksum = 091c
> > >IP:   Source address = 192.65.2.192, 192.65.2.192
> > >IP:   Destination address = 192.65.2.255, 192.65.2.255
> > >IP:   No options
> > >IP:
> > >UDP:  - UDP Header -
> > >UDP:
> > >UDP:  Source port = 138
> > >UDP:  Destination port = 138 (NBDG)
> > >UDP:  Length = 232
> > >UDP:  Checksum =  (no checksum)
> > >UDP:
> > >NBT:  - Netbios Datagram Service Header -
> > >NBT:
> > >NBT:  Datagram Packet Type = 0x11
> > >NBT:  Datagram Flags = 0x0a
> > >NBT:  Datagram ID = 0xb36

Re: Passed BSCN - 873 [7:9976]

2001-06-26 Thread Gareth Hinton

Imran,

I used the Cisco Press CCNP library for routing and switching exams and I've
found that even the bits I wasn't sure on were in the book, I just hadn't
studied it quite enough.
I've bought a couple of the Boson tests and they've been very useful, and
pretty reasonable at 20 quid each (ish).
Ole Drews Jenson's site was pretty useful too, particularly for the
switching.
Thanks Ole, I didn't thank you at the time.
Regards,

Gaz


- Original Message -
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wrote

> Hi there,
>
> Congrats for passing the exam.
>
> I am studying for my ccnp switching and then routing
> exam and then remote access. What is a good place to
> study them from. i am referring the karren webb book
> by cisco press for my switching exam. where can i find
> some parctice exams??
>
> Thanx and  congrats again.
>
> Imran.
>
>
> --- Gareth Hinton 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Passed BSCN today with 873.  (2 down - 2 to go)
> > Dropped below the 900 target I set myself for the 4
> > exams, partly due to
> > lack of study time in the last week or so, but no
> > excuses, mainly due to
> > gaps in BGP knowledge. Not done enough hands on to
> > really understand it the
> > way I would like to. More work to be done.
> >
> > I like the new (or I think it's new) way of
> > selecting correct commands from
> > a list of many. This wasn't the method used on the
> > Switching exam when I did
> > that a couple of months ago.
> > Saves us dumb Englanders spelling things like
> > neighbo(u)r wrong and losing
> > marks, and I think it better represents the fact
> > that the question mark is
> > always available in real life. I remember in a
> > previous exam, typing in a
> > show command as "sho" through force of habit, then
> > realising just after I
> > had pressed return. I've got used to constantly
> > pressing tab now while I'm
> > doing config's just to drill the full command into
> > my head.
> >
> > Thanks to all.
> >
> > On to BCRAN
> >
> > Gaz
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>
>
> =
> Imran Moin
> Network Engineer
> CCNA
>
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Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]

2001-06-26 Thread dre

I would say that the overall architecture of the Catalyst 5x00/6x00
series is definitely overcomplicated.

I personally think that because it's so overcomplicated, it has to
have less performance and reliability, etc than other products that
do Layer 3 switching.  This is not verified completely, but if you
look at just the basic specifications for what a packet does in
hardware for Catalyst 6500 vs. other vendors (i.e. Foundry)
you will begin to understand that the Cisco approach is probably
not all it's cracked up to be.  However, Cisco definitely has some
distinct advantages in many environments, and with the SUP2
MSFC2 + dual DFC and PXF enabled linecards they claim
15 million access-lists at line rate.  We'll see how they perform
in real networks in this upcoming year.

I don't think Cisco is making things more complicated; I am
beginning to think that they don't understand it either.  And
that is scary.

-dre

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> Believe me, it all looks funny to me, too!I think this is Cisco's
> attempt to make things more complicated than they need to be.
>
> Perhaps deciphering acronyms will be on the revised CCIE exam.




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Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]

2001-06-26 Thread dre

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> In the first configuration, the Sup1A can use CatOS or SupIOS.  The
> MSFC operates as the MLS-RP and the Sup1A is the MLS-SE, right?
> InterVLAN traffic is routed initially by the MSFC until a flow is
> established, at which point the rest of the flow is hardware switched.

Basically, yes.  Unless you exceed the 128k max flows or hit the hashing
collision.  And other situations might exist as well.  On CCO you could
read:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_5_2/layer3/m
ls.htm
which gives a little bit of details on this.

> In the second configuration, instead of MLS we're using CEF and the
> MSFC2 config looks just like a router with multiple interfaces running
> CEF.  There are no MLS-related configuration commands needed.  Hmm...at
> the moment I'm actually having a hard time differentiating between the
> operation of MLS and CEF in this context.

Yes, but in CatOS, you can still do the MLS commands, there just isn't
anything there because it's not running MLS anymore.  Even stranger,
you can look inside CEF on the MSFC2 with "show ip cef internal" or
whatever your favorite CEF command is *AND* you can also do a
"show mls cef" or something like that under CatOS.  I find this extremely
strange.  I would guess that with the Sup IOS architecture you will be
able to attach or exec commands on the OSM cards or DFC-enabled
line cards to show their CEF table.  But I don't think you can with the
CatOS MSFC IOS.

> I think I need to brush up on MLS (since I haven't researched it since
> last year) and then read through CCO to see how they're implementing CEF
> on these switches.

Don't worry about MLS unless you already have SUP1A's.  If you are
considering buying soon, don't evaluate the older product, just evaluate
the SUP2 MSFC2 for Layer 3 switching.  And go with Sup IOS, since
that's what is going to be supported in the long run.

Here's some good reading
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/prodlit/supe_ds.htm
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/tech/c65sp_wp.htm
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/prodlit/65dfc_ds.htm
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7600osr/prodlit/76osr_ov.htm
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/prodlit/msfc2_ds.htm
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/prodlit/c6sfm_ds.htm

> If Cisco is moving toward using only the SupIOS, I may have to start
> thinking of the 6500 as a router with a bunch of switch ports instead of
> a switch with some L3 routing functions built in.  :-)

I hear it's kind of like the 8540 or even like the 2900XL/3500XL switches.
That first document I listed just above covers a lot of the feature
differences
between CatOS and Sup IOS.

-dre




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Cisco 2502 - home lab [7:10019]

2001-06-26 Thread jeremy

Hi Group!
I am planning to buy a
CISCO 2502 Router at ebay from a reputed seller.
This unit has 16MB RAM, 8MB FLASH, 12.0(17) IP/IPX/AT/DEC Feature Set.
Comes with  Token-Ring Media Filter.

I would like to know if there are any major drawbacks on this model or if
the above config seems vague.
Please let me know if this is sufficient for a home lab??
 Can I have any suggestions as to what Router I should use to set up my home
lab. for my CCNP,IE prep.

Thanks a lot,

Jeremy




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Re: Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth - Refining the Question [7:10017]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

It's not as simple as it sounds, of course. ;-)

A good start might be Cisco's Technology Overview here:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/index.htm

That document shows typical header lengths for Frame Relay, ATM, ISDN, PPP, 
HSSI, SMDS, SDLC, etc.

Search the group study list for more on Cisco's HDLC header. The HDLC frame 
format has been published here a few times.

The exact header lengths will depend on which variety of each protocol 
you're using. For example, ATM headers are longer with AAL3/4 than with 
AAL5?? (I'm not an ATM expert.) Frame Relay fragmentation headers are 
different than vanilla Frame Relay headers.

You probably would want to account for other protocol info that is 
overhead: call setup, signalling, SLARPs, LMIs, etc.

Then, lest we forget, the equation depends on how much payload the upper 
layers put into frames. HTTP typically uses 400-600 byte packets, as do 
many database applications. Voice uses 64-byte packets. Terminal 
applications (like Telnet) use 64-byte packets. (A user types the letter A. 
The letter A is echoed back, and the echo is acknowledged.)

Large frames (1000-1500 bytes) are typical of file transfer activities, 
such as saving files, executing applications, loading word processing 
documents, using FTP, etc.. E-mail is pretty impossible to predict. 
Attachments would use large frames. Message are hopefully small, but 
sometimes they are like this message. ;-)

Then how about upper-layer overhead such as TCP acknowledgements? The 
number of ACKS depends on window size. Any retransmissions?

And what else uses bandwidth? Routing protocols? Network management? 
Tunneling? RSRB?

So Maybe just believe the SE who told you to assume about 25% is 
overhead, unless you want to do a real traffic analysis? ;-) 25% seems 
believable to me. How expensive is bandwidth? A real analysis might be 
worth the work...

Sorry for all the hand-waving, but I'm in a bit of a rush. Hopefully you 
see the issues though.

Priscilla



At 04:36 PM 6/26/01, John Neiberger wrote:
>Ah, this is one of those cases where I wasn't really answering the
>question you were asking.  :-)  Sorry about that!
>
>I know I have some information like that around here but I can't find
>it at the moment.  Perhaps some of the listmembers that are more versed
>in network analysis than I could provide some links.  If I can find the
>links that I've used in the past for this type of information, I'll let
>you know.
>
>Regards,
>John
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/26/01 2:04:07 PM >>>
>You're comparing apples to oranges.  A 10BaseT LAN is a shared medium,
>which explains the oft-quoted-but-not-quite-accurate 40% max usage
>figure.  The theory is that with CSMA/CD, as traffic increases so do
>collisions, which forces retransmits.  This is exacerbated in a half
>duplex environment.
>
>Dana's Comment - I realize that LAN and WAN environments are different.
>  I
>was just using the 10Mb quote as an example.
>
>WAN links, such as a T-1, are synchronous (or isochronous or
>pleisochronous or some other x-ochronous word that I don't understand)
>full duplex connections.  This means that frames are travelling boths
>directions over the link at the same speed regardless of the amount of
>traffic to be carried.  In the case of a T-1, if you have 1.536 Mb/s
>of
>data to send, then go for it.  The bandwidth is there if you need it.
>For you hair-splitters, I'm purposefully not getting overly detailed.
>
>Of course, you have to factor in packet headers in your calculations.
>Any data you have to send has to be encapsulated first.  If you're
>using
>IP, then any data packets must be encapsulated with a UDP or TCP
>header
>and then with an IP header.  This packet then must be placed inside
>whichever datalink frame you're using, whether it's Ethernet, HDLC,
>PPP,
>or whatever.  All of this creates overhead that you have to take into
>account when calculating how much bandwidth you actually have
>available.
>
>Dana's Comment - On WAN links, I just was wondering how what percentage
>I
>should give to headers, framing, signaling, etc.  One Cisco SE told me
>that
>I should calculate 25% to cover those issues.  I.E.  On a 512K link I
>could
>only expect 384K of usable bandwidth.  I figured that different
>technologies should have different percentages - ATM vs. ISDN vs. Frame
>
>Relay etc.  That is what I am looking for is specifics per technology
>as
>opposed to a general WAN figure.  I hope these notes clarify my
>question.
>
>But the moral of the story is that point-to-point WAN links suffer
>from
>different issues than CSMA/CD networks.
>
>Dana's comment - John, thanks for your comments.
>
>Regards,
>Dana
>CCNP, CCDP




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RE: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Michael Cohen

I've found the responses to this thread extremely interesting because I feel
they relate directly to experiences in my career path.  Here's a perspective
from the other end.  I am 23 years old.  I am currently a CNE, MCSE, CCNP,
CCDP, and CCIE #6080.  I personally don't put a great deal of stock into an
individual solely on certification however I know employers do weigh this
information.  I completed my Associates Degree in the Air Force but still
haven't finished my engineering degree.  Attaining these certifications
opened many doors for me and allowed me to gain a wealth of experience in
many cutting edge technologies with both enterprise and service provider
companies.  I strongly believe these certifications have influenced
employers to give me opportunities that my youth would normally deny.  I
also believe that these certifications (and the experience I have gained
because of them) give me an edge when competing for a job against others
without certification or experience.  Don't get me wrong.  I think it is
very true to say a college degree will last forever and is beneficial in the
long run however I strongly feel my professional career has been greatly
accelerated due to the career path I have chosen.  I don't regret putting
industry certifications before college at this time (except for those wild
college parties I've heard about!!).  However, I am continuing my education
and plan to finish my degree in a couple of years.

HTH,

-Michael Cohen

-Original Message-
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Neil Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Way off subject [7:9997]


For what it's worth I agree.  College degree first, certifications second.
The B.A./B.S. gives you general employability? in any field.

Neil Schneider


""Allen May""  wrote in message
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> College counts SO much more than certifications (which expire).  College
> degrees do not expire.  I went through the same thing in college getting
my
> Novell Certification while working and studying college.  Just look at it
> now...my college degree still gets me a job but being certified in Novell
> 3.11 doesn't count for much at all these days ;)
>
> Focus on college primarily and if you have free time, work on your Cisco
> certs then.  You've got a year and a half along with breaks between
> semesters to do that.  Dedication will pay off if you stick with it.  You
> may even find a side job while in school working in IT where you have the
> ability to learn hands on Cisco (that's how I learned).  Just work your
way
> up after college out of IT and you'll have a much better understanding of
> the network from the bottom up.  So many people only know their little
piece
> of networking.  They may know Cisco routers better than anyone else around
> but sit them in front of a workstation with an unfamiliar O/S and they
have
> trouble even doing traceroute, netstat, arp, etc to troubleshoot why that
> one workstation can't get on the network.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Con Fused"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM
> Subject: Way off subject [7:9997]
>
>
> > Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced
> > professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
> > I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I
> have
> > been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the
next
> > year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get
my
> > computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the
> same
> > time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40
> hours
> > a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on
> > experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production
> network.
> >   I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the
> same
> > time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having
a
> > broader understanding of computer systems.
> > The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself
> to
> > get the degree.
> >
> > Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money)
> and
> > get the degree done.
> > I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am
> > getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the
last
> > year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having
the
> > degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into
management
> > or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know
nothing
> > about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the
> > field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get
> the
> > degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school
> > because that will postpone mysel

Flash Memory Upgrade [7:10015]

2001-06-26 Thread Luke

Hi,

Is there a way to locate less expensive solution to upgrade a cisco 804
router from 4 to 12 MB of flash(cisco part number is MEM800-4U12D)

Thanks in advance




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Re: AGS+ How to set it from 110v to 220v ? [7:9955]

2001-06-26 Thread Gareth Hinton

I'll sell you another one and you can run them in series.

:-)

Sorry - bad joke.



URL below suggests that the power supplies are different. MAS 11 for 110V or
MAS 11B for 220V


http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_serv/cisasm/asm_c
fig/21762.htm


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> Just have a chance to play with the AGS+ (with a broken on/off switch when
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> web that it can be 220v as well. Anyone can help me without using the
> voltage converter, How to set the jumper or precise instruction?
>
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>
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RE: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Steve Smith

I totally agree. Get a degree. There are a lot of good IT companies, say
like FedEx that will not hire you unless you have a degree. So.study
on.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FW: Way off subject [7:9997]


Here is $.02 worth from someone twice your age.

Go to school.  Go directly to school.  Do not pass go.

I say that for these reasons.  From your email you think you want to go
to
school, so that is a great reason.  Also the CCIE will still be a long
term
goal.  At your age, a degree is very important.  A college degree will
help
you get your first job or two and they can never take it away from you.
The
older you get the harder it  will be for you to finish school.  Another
advantage might be that the study habits you acquire in college will
help
you with your CCIE studies.  I have worked with High Schoolers for 20
years
and have not seen any be hurt by getting a college degree and many still
working for peanuts because they did not go on to school.

Listen to yourself, pray, find someone you respect and have this
conversation with them.  You will make the right choice.
David Toalson
816-701-4142

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> Reply To: Con Fused
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Way off subject [7:9997]
>
> Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced
> professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
> I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I
> have
> been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the
next
> year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get
my
> computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at
the
> same
> time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40
> hours
> a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on
> experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production
> network.
>   I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the
> same
> time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not
having a
>
> broader understanding of computer systems.
> The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for
myself
> to
> get the degree.
>
> Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some
money)
> and
> get the degree done.
> I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I
am
> getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the
last
>
> year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having
the
>
> degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into
management
>
> or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know
nothing
>
> about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into
the
> field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and
get
> the
> degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school
> because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from
my
> job because I am focusing on school.  Any suggestions?
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Re: Snoop details [7:9944]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

I found the documentation on what the last byte of a NetBIOS name means. 
Though it's not very "user friendly," here it is:

 redirector name
 main user name
 alias name
 server name

This leads me to believe that RND is a workstation running a 
redirector, which is normal. I think it is quite odd, however, that the 
CDTOWER server sends a datagram to the RND workstation as a broadcast.

If the server were using port 137, which is often used for naming 
announcements, then it wouldn't be weird. But it's using port 138. NetBIOS 
ports are:

137 Name Service
138 Datagram Service
139 Session Service

So what might cause CDTOWER's TCP/IP stack to think that 192.65.2.255 is a 
broadcast? (What might have caused the stack to tell the data-link layer to 
send the frame to the broadcast address?) CDTOWER's own IP address is 
192.65.2.192.

We can't tell the subnet mask from the frames, but anyone have any 
theories? It's good practice in bit-twiddling. There are many possibilities.

How CDTOWER got the IP address for RND to start with is another (harder) 
mystery

Priscilla

At 04:09 PM 6/26/01, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>2100 broadcasts in 30 minutes might be OK, actually. Can you tell us how
>much bandwidth they are using? Can you tell us what percentage of the
>packets are broadcasts? A rule of thumb that Cisco teaches is that no more
>than 20% of your packets should be broadcasts. The main problem with
>broadcasts is that they interrupt station CPUs, but with the high-speed of
>CPUs these days, that is less of an issue.
>
>You seem to be running NetBT, which is NetBIOS over TCP/IP. (NetBEUI is
>NetBIOS running directly on a data-link, which is not what you are
>running.) NetBIOS sends lots of broadcasts. In this example, the server
>CDTOWER is sending a broadcast. You need to find out if that is necessary
>on your network or not. It seems a bit odd that CDTOWER is sending the
>frame directly to RND at the NetBIOS layer but to a broadcast address at
>the network and data-link layers. Sometimes a subnet mask misconfiguration
>can cause such a problem. Check CDTOWER and RND's configs.
>
>The last byte of a NetBIOS name tells you what kind of device it is.
>CDTOWER ends with x20, which means server, if I remember correctly. RND
>ends with 0x0 and I have forgotten what that means and my NetBIOS
>documentation is packed away. But you could find this somewhere on the Net
>or one of our esteemed colleagues probably knows.
>
>I don't recognize the other broadcast packets. They have an 802.3 length
>field of 0 even though there's data in the packet. It sounds like a bug?
>Would it be possible to find the station sending them (0:8:c7:d2:4a:ab) and
>check its configuration?
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 05:20 AM 6/26/01, Ramesh c wrote:
> >I did a kind of traffic study on my network and here it goes
> >
> >1)I get about 2100 broadcast packets in 30minutes.Does that sound a alarm
in
> >my network?
> >
> >-
> >2)Most of the Broadcast of this type...
> >57   0.03870  10.65.2.192 -> 10.65.2.255  NBT Datagram Service Type=17
> >Source=CDTOWER[20]
> >
> >ETHER:  - Ether Header -
> >ETHER:
> >ETHER:  Packet 57 arrived at 14:44:47.57
> >ETHER:  Packet size = 266 bytes
> >ETHER:  Destination = ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, (broadcast)
> >ETHER:  Source  = 0:60:b0:b6:b2:62,
> >ETHER:  Ethertype = 0800 (IP)
> >ETHER:
> >IP:   - IP Header -
> >IP:
> >IP:   Version = 4
> >IP:   Header length = 20 bytes
> >IP:   Type of service = 0x00
> >IP: xxx.  = 0 (precedence)
> >IP: ...0  = normal delay
> >IP:  0... = normal throughput
> >IP:  .0.. = normal reliability
> >IP:   Total length = 252 bytes
> >IP:   Identification = 22165
> >IP:   Flags = 0x0
> >IP: .0..  = may fragment
> >IP: ..0.  = last fragment
> >IP:   Fragment offset = 0 bytes
> >IP:   Time to live = 64 seconds/hops
> >IP:   Protocol = 17 (UDP)
> >IP:   Header checksum = 091c
> >IP:   Source address = 192.65.2.192, 192.65.2.192
> >IP:   Destination address = 192.65.2.255, 192.65.2.255
> >IP:   No options
> >IP:
> >UDP:  - UDP Header -
> >UDP:
> >UDP:  Source port = 138
> >UDP:  Destination port = 138 (NBDG)
> >UDP:  Length = 232
> >UDP:  Checksum =  (no checksum)
> >UDP:
> >NBT:  - Netbios Datagram Service Header -
> >NBT:
> >NBT:  Datagram Packet Type = 0x11
> >NBT:  Datagram Flags = 0x0a
> >NBT:  Datagram ID = 0xb367
> >NBT:  Source IP = 192.65.2.192
> >NBT:  Source Port = 138
> >NBT:  Datagram Length = 0x00d2
> >NBT:  Packet Offset = 0x
> >NBT:  Source Name = CDTOWER[20]
> >NBT:  Destination Name = RND[0]
> >NBT:  Number of data bytes remaining = 142
> >NBT:
> >
> >Is this a normal behaviour or do I need to remove netbeui protocol?
> >
> >
> >3)Another type od Broadcast packet
> >509   0.28533? -> (broadcast)  ETHER Type= (

Re: bandwidth research [7:9993]

2001-06-26 Thread Sam

I think you have a hard time finding good answers to this question.
According to Priscilla Oppenheimer the answer to the bandwidth question is -
"it depends".  She also explains how it is very difficult to estimate
traffic without actually doing an analysis of the actual applications.  Here
are some numbers from a table in her book Top-Down Network Design that can
be used as a starting point.

E-mail message10kb
Web page50kb

With regards to these,
ERPCheck with your vendor
Citrixaccording to the Admin Guide for ICA Win32 client 20kb per session

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> I'm trying to determine the bandwidth requirements my company will have
upon
> deploying a new ERP application along with centralized Internet, e-mail,
> VoIP, etc.
>
> I am having a difficult time finding news groups or any info on
determining
> what bandwidth is used by Java apps, Citrix MetaFrame, and other apps
along
> this line.
>
> Can someone please point me in the right direction?
>
> Thx.
>
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Re: Any pointers on CISSP exam ???? [7:10002]

2001-06-26 Thread Patrick Bass

www.isc2.org

It is a difficult exams; and requires actual working experience in
Information Security.  A lot of network security people take this exam and
fail; because it is not limited to network security.  Knowing how to write
an access-list or program a PIX isn't going to get you through this exam.
Go to the website isc2.org and download the list of 10-domains, and the
recommened reading list.  Study it all.

Pat
CISSP #22819

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> Does anyone know about the CISSP exam, which stands
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> professional. I wanna know abt the exam, as in how
> tough is it, what are the sources to study it from,
> whether it has any value and things like tht. thanx
> for the help.
>
> Imran.
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Re: Administrative Distance [7:9921]

2001-06-26 Thread Kevin Wigle

yep, I agree with John and Michael,

I got the "admin distance" and the "metric" terms mixed up in all of this.

Redistribute with a higher "metric" sounds like the way to go.

Kevin Wigle

- Original Message -
From: "John Neiberger" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Administrative Distance [7:9921]


> Hmmthat's an interesting thought.  Let me restate the question to
> make sure I understand what he's asking.   Here's the scenario:
>
> We have multiple routers running eigrp.  They already have a default
> route with an AD of 170 and they want to configure a floating static
> default with an AD of 180.  If this static route is redistributed into
> the AS, will it override the existing default routes?
>
> I believe the answer isit depends.  The fact that the existing AD
> is 170 tells me that it is being redistributed from another routing
> protocol or AS into this AS.  If you configure a static default route
> and then redistribute static, doesn't his also get an AD of 170?  It
> seems to me that the receiving routers would then have two equal-cost
> default routes available.
>
> Instead of relying on AD, why not redistribute the static routes with a
> higher metric?  The receiving routers will be aware of them but will not
> use them unless the lower-cost default goes away.
>
> Is my thinking about this correct?  Is there a better way to do this?
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> >>> "Kevin Wigle"  6/26/01 10:32:10 AM >>>
> My gut feeling is yes, it should behave exactly like that
>
> but I would want to run it in the lab first...
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Thomas"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Administrative Distance [7:9921]
>
>
> > Thank you very much Kevin!!!  Let's say I assign a administrative
> distance
> > of 180 to a static route (backup route).  It should not show up and
> be
> used
> > in "show ip route", given that the default route is active.  If I
> > redistribute this static route (assigned with admin distance of 180)
> to
> the
> > EIGRP, will it still be in passive mode and won't overide the
> default
> route
> > on the EIGRP Autonomous System???  Again, Thanks alot!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Kevin Wigle""  wrote in message
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> > > Yes,
> > >
> > > This is normally called a "floating static"
> > >
> > > Configure the static with a higher admin distance.  While the
> default
> > route
> > > is valid, the static will not show up in "sh ip route".
> > >
> > > Once the default fails, the floating static route will be installed
> into
> > the
> > > routing table and it will be visible in "sh ip route".
> > >
> > > Kevin Wigle
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Thomas"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June, 2001 00:21
> > > Subject: Administrative Distance [7:9921]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to assign the "Administrative Distance" to a
> static
> route
> > > > (default = 1)?  In my network, the default route on a router is
> learned
> > > > through EIGRP (D*EX 0.0.0.0/24) with Administrative Distance of
> 170.
> I
> > > > would like to add a static route on this router for backup;
> however,
> > this
> > > > static route will be chosen over the default route learned
> through
> > EIGRP,
> > > > since the Administrative Distance for static route is 1.  I
> wonder if
> it
> > > is
> > > > possible to raise the Administrative Distance of the static route
> to
> be
> > > > greater than 170 so that It will only be chosen as a secondary
> route,
> in
> > > > case the default route is down  Thanks All!!!




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Re: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Neil Schneider

For what it's worth I agree.  College degree first, certifications second.
The B.A./B.S. gives you general employability? in any field.

Neil Schneider


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> College counts SO much more than certifications (which expire).  College
> degrees do not expire.  I went through the same thing in college getting
my
> Novell Certification while working and studying college.  Just look at it
> now...my college degree still gets me a job but being certified in Novell
> 3.11 doesn't count for much at all these days ;)
>
> Focus on college primarily and if you have free time, work on your Cisco
> certs then.  You've got a year and a half along with breaks between
> semesters to do that.  Dedication will pay off if you stick with it.  You
> may even find a side job while in school working in IT where you have the
> ability to learn hands on Cisco (that's how I learned).  Just work your
way
> up after college out of IT and you'll have a much better understanding of
> the network from the bottom up.  So many people only know their little
piece
> of networking.  They may know Cisco routers better than anyone else around
> but sit them in front of a workstation with an unfamiliar O/S and they
have
> trouble even doing traceroute, netstat, arp, etc to troubleshoot why that
> one workstation can't get on the network.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Con Fused"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM
> Subject: Way off subject [7:9997]
>
>
> > Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced
> > professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
> > I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I
> have
> > been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the
next
> > year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get
my
> > computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the
> same
> > time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40
> hours
> > a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on
> > experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production
> network.
> >   I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the
> same
> > time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having
a
> > broader understanding of computer systems.
> > The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself
> to
> > get the degree.
> >
> > Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money)
> and
> > get the degree done.
> > I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am
> > getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the
last
> > year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having
the
> > degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into
management
> > or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know
nothing
> > about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the
> > field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get
> the
> > degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school
> > because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from
my
> > job because I am focusing on school.  Any suggestions?
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FW: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread David Toalson

Here is $.02 worth from someone twice your age.

Go to school.  Go directly to school.  Do not pass go.  

I say that for these reasons.  From your email you think you want to go to
school, so that is a great reason.  Also the CCIE will still be a long term
goal.  At your age, a degree is very important.  A college degree will help
you get your first job or two and they can never take it away from you.  The
older you get the harder it  will be for you to finish school.  Another
advantage might be that the study habits you acquire in college will help
you with your CCIE studies.  I have worked with High Schoolers for 20 years
and have not seen any be hurt by getting a college degree and many still
working for peanuts because they did not go on to school.

Listen to yourself, pray, find someone you respect and have this
conversation with them.  You will make the right choice.
David Toalson
816-701-4142

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> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Way off subject [7:9997]
> 
> Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced 
> professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
> I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I
> have 
> been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next 
> year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get my 
> computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the
> same 
> time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40
> hours 
> a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on 
> experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production
> network. 
>   I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the
> same 
> time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a
> 
> broader understanding of computer systems.
> The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself
> to 
> get the degree.
> 
> Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money)
> and 
> get the degree done.
> I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am 
> getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last
> 
> year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having the
> 
> degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management
> 
> or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing
> 
> about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the 
> field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get
> the 
> degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school 
> because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my 
> job because I am focusing on school.  Any suggestions?
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Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

Believe me, it all looks funny to me, too!I think this is Cisco's
attempt to make things more complicated than they need to be.

Perhaps deciphering acronyms will be on the revised CCIE exam.

>>> "Allen May"  6/26/01 2:22:21 PM >>>
ROFL..I'm sorry but with all the CEF IOS CatOS SUP1 MSM VLAN stuff it
just
looked funny to me...I'm easily amused ;)  I guess it's just the way
every
other word came out an acronym...heh.
- Original Message -
From: "dre" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]


> ""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
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> > Okay, I'm thoroughly confused.  I'm doing some research on this
platform
> > because we'll be purchasing one later this year or early next year.
 The
> > documentation seems to be quite murky and the more I read, the
less
> > clear the picture is.
>
> The entire Catalyst architecture is strange and piecemeal.  I
understand
> your
> confusion and frustration.
>
> > I see a few different issues that I need help with.  The first is
> > software.  Which one to use?  CatOS?  Supervisor IOS?  If I can
only do
> > CEF with IOS, then if we get CatOS are we totally hosed and limited
to
> > software forwarding of interVLAN traffic?
>
> The original SUP1 MSM architecture of the Layer 3 Catalyst 6500 is
> different than the SUP1A MSFC architecture is different than the
SUP2
> MSFC2 architecture.  You can use the MSFC2 on the SUP1A, but you
> don't get the advantage of CEF in Layer 3 switching like you would
with
> the SUP2 MSFC2 combination.  SUP1A has to use MLS.  SUP2 has
> to use CEF.
>
> In the SUP2 MSFC2 architecture, CEF is downloaded from the MSFC2
> to the PFC2 (another card on the SUP2), so CEF now forwards in
> hardware.  This happens whether you are running CatOS (Hybrid) or
> Sup IOS (Native).  If you are using DFC-enabled linecards, the CEF
> table is also downloaded to each DFC (there can be up to two per
> linecard, depending on which ones you are using).  It is actually
even
> more complex than this, but I don't want to make your head spin.
>
> The only real difference between CatOS and Sup IOS is support and
> features.
>
> CatOS + MSFC IOS is currently the software for the SUP2 MSFC2
> architecture.  This is changing in the next three months. 
Everything
> currently only works properly for SUP2 MSFC2 under CatOS.
>
> But three months from now, Cisco is changing directions with the
product
> and moving completely to Sup IOS.  All future work will be done for
Sup
> IOS, but it is not available fully yet.  The newest features are
being
> developed for Sup IOS like EoMPLS (which Cisco demonstrated on the
> Catalyst 6500 / 7600 OSR at SuperComm).  I believe that the Catalyst
> 6500 / 7600 OSR is the only product currently supporting EoMPLS (or
> any of the AToM technologies), even though it doesn't yet support
> MPLS-TE or MPLS-VPN.  More details on EoMPLS are available at
>
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7600osr/prodlit/emp76_tc.htm

>
> > I see that the MSFC2 can do 650 Mbps+ of software-based forwarding.
 Is
> > this only referring to first-time routing of packets when no MLS
entries
> > are present in the cache?  If there are cached entries are they
> > hardware-forwarded or are we still limited by the performance of
the
> > MSFC?
>
> MSFC2 only does forwarding when there are no MLS entries in the
> cache, yes, but this only would occur on the SUP1A architecture. 
With
> SUP2, the MSFC2 would only do forwarding when there are no CEF
> adjacencies or when packets are not-cef-switched (first packet
generally).
>
> The benefit of having the Catalyst 6500 would be to use MLS with
SUP1A
> whenever possible and CEF with SUP2 (or to the DFC-enabled
linecards)
> whenever possible.  This maximizes performance, because it's all done
in
> hardware forwarding.
>
> > We have a lot of interVLAN traffic and my worry is that as traffic
> > volumes increase that our performance will suffer due to
restraints
> > present in the MSFC.
>
> As long as everything stays in MLS (SUP1A) you will be ok.  There is
> a hashing algorithm problem that causes a maximum of 128k
destination-only
> based flows, but many people have found that realisitically this
number is
> much lower due to a hash collision that will result in packets forced
up
to
> the MSFC (1 or 2, doesn't matter).  More details can be found at:
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/35.html (at the bottom of the
> page).  Setting destination-only based flows (the default) and by
tuning
> with MLS fast aging, you can possibly acheive up to 128k flows in
MLS.
> The MSFC will handle a lot of packets, still, however the performance
is
> not optimal compared to MLS.
>
> Even better would be to use SUP2 MSFC2 with DFC-enabled linecards.
> They do not suffer from the problems of MLS and things like OSPF
ECMP
> work a lot better using CEF.  The performance of CEF is much better.
>
> Also, SUP2 MSFC2 with Sup IOS seems to be th

RE: ACPC @ Globalknowledge [7:9971]

2001-06-26 Thread Brian Dennis

Bryan,
They are excellent preparation for the CCIE lab but my opinion might be a
little biased seeing as I'm the developer of the ACPC classes ;)

The classes are geared toward students who are about 3-5 months out from
their lab date. There are three ACPC classes, ACPC1, ACPC2 and ACPC3. Each
class focuses on different technologies. The classes are run Monday to
Friday from 8:30am till 10:00pm with the instructor remaining with the class
the whole time (lunch and dinner excluded). The current instructors are
myself and Paul Borghese. Students get access to the equipment 24x7 during
the week of the class. The console server is setup so it's accessible via
the Internet. Currently we are giving access to the equipment over the
weekend after class. This gives students additional time to redo labs,
practice additional scenarios, etc.

The main objective of the classes is for the student to achieve a full
understanding of the technologies needed to become a CCIE.

Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
5G Networks, Inc.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Bryan Long (Richmond VA)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ACPC @ Globalknowledge [7:9971]
>
>
> Has anyone tried the ACPC courses offered by GlobalKnowledge?
>
>
> Bryan




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Re: Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Allen May

College counts SO much more than certifications (which expire).  College
degrees do not expire.  I went through the same thing in college getting my
Novell Certification while working and studying college.  Just look at it
now...my college degree still gets me a job but being certified in Novell
3.11 doesn't count for much at all these days ;)

Focus on college primarily and if you have free time, work on your Cisco
certs then.  You've got a year and a half along with breaks between
semesters to do that.  Dedication will pay off if you stick with it.  You
may even find a side job while in school working in IT where you have the
ability to learn hands on Cisco (that's how I learned).  Just work your way
up after college out of IT and you'll have a much better understanding of
the network from the bottom up.  So many people only know their little piece
of networking.  They may know Cisco routers better than anyone else around
but sit them in front of a workstation with an unfamiliar O/S and they have
trouble even doing traceroute, netstat, arp, etc to troubleshoot why that
one workstation can't get on the network.


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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: Way off subject [7:9997]


> Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced
> professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
> I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I
have
> been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next
> year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get my
> computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the
same
> time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40
hours
> a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on
> experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production
network.
>   I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the
same
> time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a
> broader understanding of computer systems.
> The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself
to
> get the degree.
>
> Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money)
and
> get the degree done.
> I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am
> getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last
> year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having the
> degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management
> or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing
> about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the
> field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get
the
> degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school
> because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my
> job because I am focusing on school.  Any suggestions?
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Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

Thanks, that does help to clear some things up...sort of.  :-)  Let me
see if I really understand the differences between Sup1A+MSFC and
Sup2+MSFC2.  

In the first configuration, the Sup1A can use CatOS or SupIOS.  The
MSFC operates as the MLS-RP and the Sup1A is the MLS-SE, right? 
InterVLAN traffic is routed initially by the MSFC until a flow is
established, at which point the rest of the flow is hardware switched.

In the second configuration, instead of MLS we're using CEF and the
MSFC2 config looks just like a router with multiple interfaces running
CEF.  There are no MLS-related configuration commands needed.  Hmm...at
the moment I'm actually having a hard time differentiating between the
operation of MLS and CEF in this context.  

I think I need to brush up on MLS (since I haven't researched it since
last year) and then read through CCO to see how they're implementing CEF
on these switches.

If Cisco is moving toward using only the SupIOS, I may have to start
thinking of the 6500 as a router with a bunch of switch ports instead of
a switch with some L3 routing functions built in.  :-)

thanks,
John

>>> "dre"  6/26/01 1:49:37 PM >>>
""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Okay, I'm thoroughly confused.  I'm doing some research on this
platform
> because we'll be purchasing one later this year or early next year. 
The
> documentation seems to be quite murky and the more I read, the less
> clear the picture is.

The entire Catalyst architecture is strange and piecemeal.  I
understand
your
confusion and frustration.

> I see a few different issues that I need help with.  The first is
> software.  Which one to use?  CatOS?  Supervisor IOS?  If I can only
do
> CEF with IOS, then if we get CatOS are we totally hosed and limited
to
> software forwarding of interVLAN traffic?

The original SUP1 MSM architecture of the Layer 3 Catalyst 6500 is
different than the SUP1A MSFC architecture is different than the SUP2
MSFC2 architecture.  You can use the MSFC2 on the SUP1A, but you
don't get the advantage of CEF in Layer 3 switching like you would
with
the SUP2 MSFC2 combination.  SUP1A has to use MLS.  SUP2 has
to use CEF.

In the SUP2 MSFC2 architecture, CEF is downloaded from the MSFC2
to the PFC2 (another card on the SUP2), so CEF now forwards in
hardware.  This happens whether you are running CatOS (Hybrid) or
Sup IOS (Native).  If you are using DFC-enabled linecards, the CEF
table is also downloaded to each DFC (there can be up to two per
linecard, depending on which ones you are using).  It is actually even
more complex than this, but I don't want to make your head spin.

The only real difference between CatOS and Sup IOS is support and
features.

CatOS + MSFC IOS is currently the software for the SUP2 MSFC2
architecture.  This is changing in the next three months.  Everything
currently only works properly for SUP2 MSFC2 under CatOS.

But three months from now, Cisco is changing directions with the
product
and moving completely to Sup IOS.  All future work will be done for
Sup
IOS, but it is not available fully yet.  The newest features are being
developed for Sup IOS like EoMPLS (which Cisco demonstrated on the
Catalyst 6500 / 7600 OSR at SuperComm).  I believe that the Catalyst
6500 / 7600 OSR is the only product currently supporting EoMPLS (or
any of the AToM technologies), even though it doesn't yet support
MPLS-TE or MPLS-VPN.  More details on EoMPLS are available at
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7600osr/prodlit/emp76_tc.htm


> I see that the MSFC2 can do 650 Mbps+ of software-based forwarding. 
Is
> this only referring to first-time routing of packets when no MLS
entries
> are present in the cache?  If there are cached entries are they
> hardware-forwarded or are we still limited by the performance of the
> MSFC?

MSFC2 only does forwarding when there are no MLS entries in the
cache, yes, but this only would occur on the SUP1A architecture.  With
SUP2, the MSFC2 would only do forwarding when there are no CEF
adjacencies or when packets are not-cef-switched (first packet
generally).

The benefit of having the Catalyst 6500 would be to use MLS with SUP1A
whenever possible and CEF with SUP2 (or to the DFC-enabled linecards)
whenever possible.  This maximizes performance, because it's all done
in
hardware forwarding.

> We have a lot of interVLAN traffic and my worry is that as traffic
> volumes increase that our performance will suffer due to restraints
> present in the MSFC.

As long as everything stays in MLS (SUP1A) you will be ok.  There is
a hashing algorithm problem that causes a maximum of 128k
destination-only
based flows, but many people have found that realisitically this number
is
much lower due to a hash collision that will result in packets forced
up to
the MSFC (1 or 2, doesn't matter).  More details can be found at:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/35.html (at the bottom of the
page).  Setting destination-only based flows (the

Any pointers on CISSP exam ???? [7:10002]

2001-06-26 Thread Imran Moin

Hi all,

Does anyone know about the CISSP exam, which stands
for Certified Information Systems Security
professional. I wanna know abt the exam, as in how
tough is it, what are the sources to study it from,
whether it has any value and things like tht. thanx
for the help.

Imran.

=
Imran Moin
Network Engineer
CCNA

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Re: Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth - Refining the Question [7:10001]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

Ah, this is one of those cases where I wasn't really answering the
question you were asking.  :-)  Sorry about that!

I know I have some information like that around here but I can't find
it at the moment.  Perhaps some of the listmembers that are more versed
in network analysis than I could provide some links.  If I can find the
links that I've used in the past for this type of information, I'll let
you know.

Regards,
John

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/26/01 2:04:07 PM >>>
You're comparing apples to oranges.  A 10BaseT LAN is a shared medium,
which explains the oft-quoted-but-not-quite-accurate 40% max usage
figure.  The theory is that with CSMA/CD, as traffic increases so do
collisions, which forces retransmits.  This is exacerbated in a half
duplex environment.

Dana's Comment - I realize that LAN and WAN environments are different.
 I 
was just using the 10Mb quote as an example.

WAN links, such as a T-1, are synchronous (or isochronous or
pleisochronous or some other x-ochronous word that I don't understand)
full duplex connections.  This means that frames are travelling boths
directions over the link at the same speed regardless of the amount of
traffic to be carried.  In the case of a T-1, if you have 1.536 Mb/s
of
data to send, then go for it.  The bandwidth is there if you need it.
For you hair-splitters, I'm purposefully not getting overly detailed.

Of course, you have to factor in packet headers in your calculations.
Any data you have to send has to be encapsulated first.  If you're
using
IP, then any data packets must be encapsulated with a UDP or TCP
header
and then with an IP header.  This packet then must be placed inside
whichever datalink frame you're using, whether it's Ethernet, HDLC,
PPP,
or whatever.  All of this creates overhead that you have to take into
account when calculating how much bandwidth you actually have
available.

Dana's Comment - On WAN links, I just was wondering how what percentage
I 
should give to headers, framing, signaling, etc.  One Cisco SE told me
that 
I should calculate 25% to cover those issues.  I.E.  On a 512K link I
could 
only expect 384K of usable bandwidth.  I figured that different 
technologies should have different percentages - ATM vs. ISDN vs. Frame

Relay etc.  That is what I am looking for is specifics per technology
as 
opposed to a general WAN figure.  I hope these notes clarify my
question.

But the moral of the story is that point-to-point WAN links suffer
from
different issues than CSMA/CD networks.

Dana's comment - John, thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Dana
CCNP, CCDP




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Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]

2001-06-26 Thread Allen May

ROFL..I'm sorry but with all the CEF IOS CatOS SUP1 MSM VLAN stuff it just
looked funny to me...I'm easily amused ;)  I guess it's just the way every
other word came out an acronym...heh.
- Original Message -
From: "dre" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]


> ""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Okay, I'm thoroughly confused.  I'm doing some research on this platform
> > because we'll be purchasing one later this year or early next year.  The
> > documentation seems to be quite murky and the more I read, the less
> > clear the picture is.
>
> The entire Catalyst architecture is strange and piecemeal.  I understand
> your
> confusion and frustration.
>
> > I see a few different issues that I need help with.  The first is
> > software.  Which one to use?  CatOS?  Supervisor IOS?  If I can only do
> > CEF with IOS, then if we get CatOS are we totally hosed and limited to
> > software forwarding of interVLAN traffic?
>
> The original SUP1 MSM architecture of the Layer 3 Catalyst 6500 is
> different than the SUP1A MSFC architecture is different than the SUP2
> MSFC2 architecture.  You can use the MSFC2 on the SUP1A, but you
> don't get the advantage of CEF in Layer 3 switching like you would with
> the SUP2 MSFC2 combination.  SUP1A has to use MLS.  SUP2 has
> to use CEF.
>
> In the SUP2 MSFC2 architecture, CEF is downloaded from the MSFC2
> to the PFC2 (another card on the SUP2), so CEF now forwards in
> hardware.  This happens whether you are running CatOS (Hybrid) or
> Sup IOS (Native).  If you are using DFC-enabled linecards, the CEF
> table is also downloaded to each DFC (there can be up to two per
> linecard, depending on which ones you are using).  It is actually even
> more complex than this, but I don't want to make your head spin.
>
> The only real difference between CatOS and Sup IOS is support and
> features.
>
> CatOS + MSFC IOS is currently the software for the SUP2 MSFC2
> architecture.  This is changing in the next three months.  Everything
> currently only works properly for SUP2 MSFC2 under CatOS.
>
> But three months from now, Cisco is changing directions with the product
> and moving completely to Sup IOS.  All future work will be done for Sup
> IOS, but it is not available fully yet.  The newest features are being
> developed for Sup IOS like EoMPLS (which Cisco demonstrated on the
> Catalyst 6500 / 7600 OSR at SuperComm).  I believe that the Catalyst
> 6500 / 7600 OSR is the only product currently supporting EoMPLS (or
> any of the AToM technologies), even though it doesn't yet support
> MPLS-TE or MPLS-VPN.  More details on EoMPLS are available at
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7600osr/prodlit/emp76_tc.htm
>
> > I see that the MSFC2 can do 650 Mbps+ of software-based forwarding.  Is
> > this only referring to first-time routing of packets when no MLS entries
> > are present in the cache?  If there are cached entries are they
> > hardware-forwarded or are we still limited by the performance of the
> > MSFC?
>
> MSFC2 only does forwarding when there are no MLS entries in the
> cache, yes, but this only would occur on the SUP1A architecture.  With
> SUP2, the MSFC2 would only do forwarding when there are no CEF
> adjacencies or when packets are not-cef-switched (first packet generally).
>
> The benefit of having the Catalyst 6500 would be to use MLS with SUP1A
> whenever possible and CEF with SUP2 (or to the DFC-enabled linecards)
> whenever possible.  This maximizes performance, because it's all done in
> hardware forwarding.
>
> > We have a lot of interVLAN traffic and my worry is that as traffic
> > volumes increase that our performance will suffer due to restraints
> > present in the MSFC.
>
> As long as everything stays in MLS (SUP1A) you will be ok.  There is
> a hashing algorithm problem that causes a maximum of 128k destination-only
> based flows, but many people have found that realisitically this number is
> much lower due to a hash collision that will result in packets forced up
to
> the MSFC (1 or 2, doesn't matter).  More details can be found at:
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/35.html (at the bottom of the
> page).  Setting destination-only based flows (the default) and by tuning
> with MLS fast aging, you can possibly acheive up to 128k flows in MLS.
> The MSFC will handle a lot of packets, still, however the performance is
> not optimal compared to MLS.
>
> Even better would be to use SUP2 MSFC2 with DFC-enabled linecards.
> They do not suffer from the problems of MLS and things like OSPF ECMP
> work a lot better using CEF.  The performance of CEF is much better.
>
> Also, SUP2 MSFC2 with Sup IOS seems to be the product's overall
> direction.
>
> > Without IOS and CEF, once the MLS cache is populated, aren't any
> > further packets hardware switched?  If that's the case, I don't see much
> > need to get the Sup IOS.  I seem to remember someone 

Rollover cable needed . [7:9910]

2001-06-26 Thread Nick R

You might even have since it probably came with a router. It is a light blue
flat cable with RJ45 connections that has an RJ45 - DB9/DB25 interface on
one side. If you carefully looked at the cable ends you would notice that
the wires are positioned in oposite directions (kind of like a null modem
cable - because it is used for the same purpose).

-- Nick


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Re: Snoop details [7:9944]

2001-06-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

2100 broadcasts in 30 minutes might be OK, actually. Can you tell us how 
much bandwidth they are using? Can you tell us what percentage of the 
packets are broadcasts? A rule of thumb that Cisco teaches is that no more 
than 20% of your packets should be broadcasts. The main problem with 
broadcasts is that they interrupt station CPUs, but with the high-speed of 
CPUs these days, that is less of an issue.

You seem to be running NetBT, which is NetBIOS over TCP/IP. (NetBEUI is 
NetBIOS running directly on a data-link, which is not what you are 
running.) NetBIOS sends lots of broadcasts. In this example, the server 
CDTOWER is sending a broadcast. You need to find out if that is necessary 
on your network or not. It seems a bit odd that CDTOWER is sending the 
frame directly to RND at the NetBIOS layer but to a broadcast address at 
the network and data-link layers. Sometimes a subnet mask misconfiguration 
can cause such a problem. Check CDTOWER and RND's configs.

The last byte of a NetBIOS name tells you what kind of device it is. 
CDTOWER ends with x20, which means server, if I remember correctly. RND 
ends with 0x0 and I have forgotten what that means and my NetBIOS 
documentation is packed away. But you could find this somewhere on the Net 
or one of our esteemed colleagues probably knows.

I don't recognize the other broadcast packets. They have an 802.3 length 
field of 0 even though there's data in the packet. It sounds like a bug? 
Would it be possible to find the station sending them (0:8:c7:d2:4a:ab) and 
check its configuration?

Priscilla

At 05:20 AM 6/26/01, Ramesh c wrote:
>I did a kind of traffic study on my network and here it goes
>
>1)I get about 2100 broadcast packets in 30minutes.Does that sound a alarm in
>my network?
>
>-
>2)Most of the Broadcast of this type...
>57   0.03870  10.65.2.192 -> 10.65.2.255  NBT Datagram Service Type=17
>Source=CDTOWER[20]
>
>ETHER:  - Ether Header -
>ETHER:
>ETHER:  Packet 57 arrived at 14:44:47.57
>ETHER:  Packet size = 266 bytes
>ETHER:  Destination = ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, (broadcast)
>ETHER:  Source  = 0:60:b0:b6:b2:62,
>ETHER:  Ethertype = 0800 (IP)
>ETHER:
>IP:   - IP Header -
>IP:
>IP:   Version = 4
>IP:   Header length = 20 bytes
>IP:   Type of service = 0x00
>IP: xxx.  = 0 (precedence)
>IP: ...0  = normal delay
>IP:  0... = normal throughput
>IP:  .0.. = normal reliability
>IP:   Total length = 252 bytes
>IP:   Identification = 22165
>IP:   Flags = 0x0
>IP: .0..  = may fragment
>IP: ..0.  = last fragment
>IP:   Fragment offset = 0 bytes
>IP:   Time to live = 64 seconds/hops
>IP:   Protocol = 17 (UDP)
>IP:   Header checksum = 091c
>IP:   Source address = 192.65.2.192, 192.65.2.192
>IP:   Destination address = 192.65.2.255, 192.65.2.255
>IP:   No options
>IP:
>UDP:  - UDP Header -
>UDP:
>UDP:  Source port = 138
>UDP:  Destination port = 138 (NBDG)
>UDP:  Length = 232
>UDP:  Checksum =  (no checksum)
>UDP:
>NBT:  - Netbios Datagram Service Header -
>NBT:
>NBT:  Datagram Packet Type = 0x11
>NBT:  Datagram Flags = 0x0a
>NBT:  Datagram ID = 0xb367
>NBT:  Source IP = 192.65.2.192
>NBT:  Source Port = 138
>NBT:  Datagram Length = 0x00d2
>NBT:  Packet Offset = 0x
>NBT:  Source Name = CDTOWER[20]
>NBT:  Destination Name = RND[0]
>NBT:  Number of data bytes remaining = 142
>NBT:
>
>Is this a normal behaviour or do I need to remove netbeui protocol?
>
>
>3)Another type od Broadcast packet
>509   0.28533? -> (broadcast)  ETHER Type= (LLC/802.3), size
>= 110 bytes
>510   1.54573? -> (broadcast)  ETHER Type= (LLC/802.3), size
>= 110 bytes
>511   0.72617? -> (broadcast)  ETHER Type= (LLC/802.3), size
>= 110 bytes
>
>ETHER:  - Ether Header -
>ETHER:
>ETHER:  Packet 511 arrived at 14:51:52.90
>ETHER:  Packet size = 110 bytes
>ETHER:  Destination = ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, (broadcast)
>ETHER:  Source  = 0:8:c7:d2:4a:ab,
>ETHER:  IEEE 802.3 length = 96 bytes
>ETHER:  Ethertype =  (LLC/802.3)
>ETHER:
>
>What is this broadcast packet trying to do?Or how do i debug this for more
>info.
>
>Any help would be appricated
>
>Cheers
>Ramesh




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Way off subject [7:9997]

2001-06-26 Thread Con Fused

Im in a dilemma.  I need some career advice from some experienced 
professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road.
I am 22 years old   I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP.  I have 
been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next 
year and a half but Im not sure now.  My problem is that I want to get my 
computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same 
time.   I am about 2 and a half years from graduating.  I also work 40 hours 
a week as a computer tech for an elementary school.  I have hands on 
experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. 
  I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same 
time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a 
broader understanding of computer systems.
The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to 
get the degree.

Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and 
get the degree done.
I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am 
getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last 
year and a half.  But I have been thinking about it and I think having the 
degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management 
or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing 
about but am kinda curious to learn).  Part of me wants to get into the 
field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the 
degree.  I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school 
because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my 
job because I am focusing on school.  Any suggestions?
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Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth - Refining the Question [7:9996]Re: Theoretical vs. Actual Bandwidth [7:9961]

2001-06-26 Thread Dana Graesser

You're comparing apples to oranges.  A 10BaseT LAN is a shared medium,
which explains the oft-quoted-but-not-quite-accurate 40% max usage
figure.  The theory is that with CSMA/CD, as traffic increases so do
collisions, which forces retransmits.  This is exacerbated in a half
duplex environment.

Dana's Comment - I realize that LAN and WAN environments are different.  I 
was just using the 10Mb quote as an example.

WAN links, such as a T-1, are synchronous (or isochronous or
pleisochronous or some other x-ochronous word that I don't understand)
full duplex connections.  This means that frames are travelling boths
directions over the link at the same speed regardless of the amount of
traffic to be carried.  In the case of a T-1, if you have 1.536 Mb/s of
data to send, then go for it.  The bandwidth is there if you need it.
For you hair-splitters, I'm purposefully not getting overly detailed.

Of course, you have to factor in packet headers in your calculations.
Any data you have to send has to be encapsulated first.  If you're using
IP, then any data packets must be encapsulated with a UDP or TCP header
and then with an IP header.  This packet then must be placed inside
whichever datalink frame you're using, whether it's Ethernet, HDLC, PPP,
or whatever.  All of this creates overhead that you have to take into
account when calculating how much bandwidth you actually have
available.

Dana's Comment - On WAN links, I just was wondering how what percentage I 
should give to headers, framing, signaling, etc.  One Cisco SE told me that 
I should calculate 25% to cover those issues.  I.E.  On a 512K link I could 
only expect 384K of usable bandwidth.  I figured that different 
technologies should have different percentages - ATM vs. ISDN vs. Frame 
Relay etc.  That is what I am looking for is specifics per technology as 
opposed to a general WAN figure.  I hope these notes clarify my question.

But the moral of the story is that point-to-point WAN links suffer from
different issues than CSMA/CD networks.

Dana's comment - John, thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Dana
CCNP, CCDP




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Re: Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]

2001-06-26 Thread dre

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> Okay, I'm thoroughly confused.  I'm doing some research on this platform
> because we'll be purchasing one later this year or early next year.  The
> documentation seems to be quite murky and the more I read, the less
> clear the picture is.

The entire Catalyst architecture is strange and piecemeal.  I understand
your
confusion and frustration.

> I see a few different issues that I need help with.  The first is
> software.  Which one to use?  CatOS?  Supervisor IOS?  If I can only do
> CEF with IOS, then if we get CatOS are we totally hosed and limited to
> software forwarding of interVLAN traffic?

The original SUP1 MSM architecture of the Layer 3 Catalyst 6500 is
different than the SUP1A MSFC architecture is different than the SUP2
MSFC2 architecture.  You can use the MSFC2 on the SUP1A, but you
don't get the advantage of CEF in Layer 3 switching like you would with
the SUP2 MSFC2 combination.  SUP1A has to use MLS.  SUP2 has
to use CEF.

In the SUP2 MSFC2 architecture, CEF is downloaded from the MSFC2
to the PFC2 (another card on the SUP2), so CEF now forwards in
hardware.  This happens whether you are running CatOS (Hybrid) or
Sup IOS (Native).  If you are using DFC-enabled linecards, the CEF
table is also downloaded to each DFC (there can be up to two per
linecard, depending on which ones you are using).  It is actually even
more complex than this, but I don't want to make your head spin.

The only real difference between CatOS and Sup IOS is support and
features.

CatOS + MSFC IOS is currently the software for the SUP2 MSFC2
architecture.  This is changing in the next three months.  Everything
currently only works properly for SUP2 MSFC2 under CatOS.

But three months from now, Cisco is changing directions with the product
and moving completely to Sup IOS.  All future work will be done for Sup
IOS, but it is not available fully yet.  The newest features are being
developed for Sup IOS like EoMPLS (which Cisco demonstrated on the
Catalyst 6500 / 7600 OSR at SuperComm).  I believe that the Catalyst
6500 / 7600 OSR is the only product currently supporting EoMPLS (or
any of the AToM technologies), even though it doesn't yet support
MPLS-TE or MPLS-VPN.  More details on EoMPLS are available at
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/7600osr/prodlit/emp76_tc.htm

> I see that the MSFC2 can do 650 Mbps+ of software-based forwarding.  Is
> this only referring to first-time routing of packets when no MLS entries
> are present in the cache?  If there are cached entries are they
> hardware-forwarded or are we still limited by the performance of the
> MSFC?

MSFC2 only does forwarding when there are no MLS entries in the
cache, yes, but this only would occur on the SUP1A architecture.  With
SUP2, the MSFC2 would only do forwarding when there are no CEF
adjacencies or when packets are not-cef-switched (first packet generally).

The benefit of having the Catalyst 6500 would be to use MLS with SUP1A
whenever possible and CEF with SUP2 (or to the DFC-enabled linecards)
whenever possible.  This maximizes performance, because it's all done in
hardware forwarding.

> We have a lot of interVLAN traffic and my worry is that as traffic
> volumes increase that our performance will suffer due to restraints
> present in the MSFC.

As long as everything stays in MLS (SUP1A) you will be ok.  There is
a hashing algorithm problem that causes a maximum of 128k destination-only
based flows, but many people have found that realisitically this number is
much lower due to a hash collision that will result in packets forced up to
the MSFC (1 or 2, doesn't matter).  More details can be found at:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/35.html (at the bottom of the
page).  Setting destination-only based flows (the default) and by tuning
with MLS fast aging, you can possibly acheive up to 128k flows in MLS.
The MSFC will handle a lot of packets, still, however the performance is
not optimal compared to MLS.

Even better would be to use SUP2 MSFC2 with DFC-enabled linecards.
They do not suffer from the problems of MLS and things like OSPF ECMP
work a lot better using CEF.  The performance of CEF is much better.

Also, SUP2 MSFC2 with Sup IOS seems to be the product's overall
direction.

> Without IOS and CEF, once the MLS cache is populated, aren't any
> further packets hardware switched?  If that's the case, I don't see much
> need to get the Sup IOS.  I seem to remember someone complaining about
> the Sup IOS but I don't remember the details.  Hmm...I suppose I ought
> to check the archives, huh?  :-)
>
> Anyway, any help anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated!

CatOS is what most people are comfortable with.  It also support the
most features currently, but probably won't support any new features.
I don't know of any currently installed Sup IOS installations, and I have
not used the code myself, however, there is no arguing that in three
mont

Re: Dual T1's and failover with static routes [7:9979]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

Sure, no problem!

If you have two different equal-cost routes to the same destination,
the router has a few options when deciding which path to choose.  These
options are called switching modes, and the two most basic are called
process switching and fast switching.

Process switching performs per-packet load balancing.  This means if
you have a stream of packets going to the same destination, the router
will alternate between the possible outgoing interfaces on a per-packet
basis.  This is fairly processor-intensive.

Fast switching performs per-destination load balancing.  In this mode
the first packet of any given stream is process switched.  The router
takes note of that particular destination and exit interface and puts
this information into the fast switching cache.  Any subsequent packets
destined for that same destination are sent out of the same interface. 
Using this method, the router roughly divides the number of destinations
between the two available exit interfaces.  Fast switching is quite a
bit less processor-intensive that process switching.

In your situation, per-packet load balancing could cause some problems.
 Fast switching would seem to be the way to go.

Does that help?  I kept getting interrupted while typing this so I hope
it makes sense.

Regards,
John

>>> "Sam Sneed"  6/26/01 11:59:01 AM >>>
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "per destination load balancing".
I'm
am new to Cisco products so some of the terminology is over my head.
Could
you clarify this for me with the commands I would use? Thanks alot.



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> Sure, you can do this.  But why?  Why not use per-destination load
> balancing instead of paying for an unused link?  To achieve your
goal,
> do exactly as you stated.  Setting the AD higher on one of the
static
> routes will do what you want.
>
> To answer the last question, if a directly connected interface goes
> down then all routes that exit that interface are immediately
removed
> from the routing table.  In the case of floating static routes, the
> change to the backup default will be instantaneous.
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Sam Sneed"  6/26/01 11:08:32 AM >>>
> Currently my internet connection is a Cisco 4700 with 2 frame relay
> lines.
> We do load sharing by having 2 default routes through each link.
> ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0.1
> ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial1.1
> This works quite well but we only want to use one link and have the
> other
> for backup so our ISP will charge a lower rate. I also want to stay
> away
> from using routing protocols.(its a small network).
>
> Will this work:
> Assign a greater adminstrative distance to one of the default routes
so
> it
> will never be used over the desired default route unless the desired
> link
> goes down.
>
> Also how long does it take for a directly connected route and static
> routes
> assoicated with an interface to disappear from the routing tables?
>
> Thanks




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bandwidth research [7:9993]

2001-06-26 Thread Vik

Hello,
I'm trying to determine the bandwidth requirements my company will have upon
deploying a new ERP application along with centralized Internet, e-mail,
VoIP, etc.

I am having a difficult time finding news groups or any info on determining
what bandwidth is used by Java apps, Citrix MetaFrame, and other apps along
this line.

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

Thx.

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RE: Juniper or Cisco Certification?? [7:9987]

2001-06-26 Thread Daniel Cotts

My opinion is that you will have to devote all you time for study to pass
either exam. I don't think it is a choice of both - but either/or. Talk to
you Supervisor. Ask if you are more valuable to Juniper as a CCIE who can
integrate Juniper with Cisco. If so, go for the CCIE lab. If not,
concentrate on the Juniper. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Tu Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Juniper or Cisco Certification?? [7:9987]
> 
> 
> Hello everyone, I am new to this forum. I've passed the CCIE 
> Written several
> months ago, and scheduling for the lab in San Jose in 
> November. The problem
> I am having is that I am currently employ with Juniper 
> Networks. I am also
> in a middle of studying for Juniper(JNCIE) which is  
> equivalent to CCIE. I
> would like the group opinion, wheather  I should  pursue with 
> the CCIE Lab,
> since I had already scheduled for it or should I strictly 
> focus on JNCIE for
> now.  The JNCIE is must more advanced than Cisco CCIE 
> (Acknowledge from
> taken the JNCIS exam), so I don't know how much time will is 
> take for me to
> prepare for either of this exam.Your input is welcome?
> 
> Thanks, Tu
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CCDP [7:9991]

2001-06-26 Thread Mr. Wang

Hi, there:

Can anybody gibe some advice on taking CID exam

Thanks in advance




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RE: POP relocation [7:9897]

2001-06-26 Thread Jim Dixon

Why not renumber now and use NAT/PAT and then only renumber your serial
interfaces on your Internet Router and gateways and mail servers after the
switch???


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: POP relocation [7:9897]


Since you did not mention for sure whether you would switch ISP or not.
1. If you stay with the same ISP, they should be able to let you keep the
same IP number especially for those 2 /24s. If they plan everything ahead of
time and you keep the old IPs, it is indeed only going to be couple minutes
of downtime and you don't have to do anything on your router. Of course,
this is based on the assumption that they have good network engineers over
there taking care of your case.

2.  If you are going to switch to another ISP, you would probably have to
change your IPs since you don't own those /24s. Theoretically, those two
ISPs could make arrangements to let you keep the old IPs. However, it is
going to be a big hassle and you would find it not worth the effort.

Richard

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> Out ISP is relocating their POP and that is causing us to probably move to
> another ISP; however, they are offering us only several minutes of
downtime.
> Is that possible?
>
> They said it is only a circuit move. Nothing more.
> However, they are running BGP and they said they might have to renumber
our
> network.
>
> What would we have to do? Would we have to reregister our AS number?We
have
> two /24 networks with them. Also, we have another T1 line coming in with
> /28. Could we ask them to advertise our networks that we got from the
> previous ISP? Is that possible?
>
> Can one ISP take care of the static routing to our network even if we have
> addresses that they did not assign?
>
> What other changes would we have to make to our routers to have this
> "circuit move" go thorugh?
>
> Thanks,
> nick




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PBX Tech needed in NY!!!! [7:9989]

2001-06-26 Thread Kevin O'Gilvie

Hello All,

Sorry for this Post but a friend of mine is looking for a PBX tech in NY. 
The pay is really well so if you know of anyone please have them email me 
asap..

Thanks,

Kevin
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RE: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R [7:9988]

2001-06-26 Thread Charles Manafa

mz is compressed and runs in memory

CM

> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 26 June 2001 13:33
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 1600R
> [7:9956]
> 
> 
> I am pretty sure the M means it is a compressed IOS.
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> ""Sam Deckert""  wrote in message
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> > Check the image name from the sh ver - if it contains an 
> 'm' it means run
> > from memory I think.
> >
> > Here are the examples someone else used - you can see it from these:
> >
> > IOS for 1600:
> >
> > c1600-y-l.113-11b.bin
> >
> >
> > IOS for 1600R:
> >
> > c1600-y-mz.120-9.bin
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Sam.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Raul F. Fernandez-WCOMM"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:38 AM
> > Subject: How to tell the difference beteween a 1600 and a 
> 1600R series.
> > [7:9797]
> >
> >
> > > Dear Folks,
> > >
> > > Hope all is going well for everyone. I have a real quick 
> question. From
> > the
> > > "show ver" is there a way to determine the difference 
> between a 1600 and
> > > 1600R series routers. Also will a 1600R run regualr 1600 
> code? Thank
> you.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Raul




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Juniper or Cisco Certification?? [7:9987]

2001-06-26 Thread Tu Nguyen

Hello everyone, I am new to this forum. I've passed the CCIE Written several
months ago, and scheduling for the lab in San Jose in November. The problem
I am having is that I am currently employ with Juniper Networks. I am also
in a middle of studying for Juniper(JNCIE) which is  equivalent to CCIE. I
would like the group opinion, wheather  I should  pursue with the CCIE Lab,
since I had already scheduled for it or should I strictly focus on JNCIE for
now.  The JNCIE is must more advanced than Cisco CCIE (Acknowledge from
taken the JNCIS exam), so I don't know how much time will is take for me to
prepare for either of this exam.Your input is welcome?

Thanks, Tu




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Re: Debug not working via telnet [7:9019]

2001-06-26 Thread Robert Hosford

Logging syncronous will affect it as well.


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From: "G30RG3" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Debug not working via telnet [7:9019]


> Make sure you input the command terminal monitor so it will display the
> output to the VTY session you are logged in on.  otherwise it will only
show
> it to the console session.
>
> Good Luck
>
> George, Head Janitor, CCNA CCDA
> Cisco Systems
>
> ""cisco guru""  wrote in message
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> > Hi all,
> > I am trying to see the debug output on my routers via telnet sessions
but
> am
> > not having any luck. I first got the debug ip packet command to work but
> > then it stopped working. No other debug commands will work. Eg. debug ip
> > igrp trans
> > I have the service timestamps commands issued along with the term mon
> > command on the router running the telnet session.
> > The ios ver. on this particular router is 11.0 (10c). Does the ios ver.
> make
> > a difference or does something in particular have to be done on both
> > routers?
> > Please advise.
> > Thank you.
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Re: POP relocation [7:9897]

2001-06-26 Thread Richard Chang

Since you did not mention for sure whether you would switch ISP or not.
1. If you stay with the same ISP, they should be able to let you keep the
same IP number especially for those 2 /24s. If they plan everything ahead of
time and you keep the old IPs, it is indeed only going to be couple minutes
of downtime and you don't have to do anything on your router. Of course,
this is based on the assumption that they have good network engineers over
there taking care of your case.

2.  If you are going to switch to another ISP, you would probably have to
change your IPs since you don't own those /24s. Theoretically, those two
ISPs could make arrangements to let you keep the old IPs. However, it is
going to be a big hassle and you would find it not worth the effort.

Richard

""Nick R""  wrote in message
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> Out ISP is relocating their POP and that is causing us to probably move to
> another ISP; however, they are offering us only several minutes of
downtime.
> Is that possible?
>
> They said it is only a circuit move. Nothing more.
> However, they are running BGP and they said they might have to renumber
our
> network.
>
> What would we have to do? Would we have to reregister our AS number?We
have
> two /24 networks with them. Also, we have another T1 line coming in with
> /28. Could we ask them to advertise our networks that we got from the
> previous ISP? Is that possible?
>
> Can one ISP take care of the static routing to our network even if we have
> addresses that they did not assign?
>
> What other changes would we have to make to our routers to have this
> "circuit move" go thorugh?
>
> Thanks,
> nick




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Re: Dual T1's and failover with static routes [7:9979]

2001-06-26 Thread Sam Sneed

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "per destination load balancing". I'm
am new to Cisco products so some of the terminology is over my head. Could
you clarify this for me with the commands I would use? Thanks alot.



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> Sure, you can do this.  But why?  Why not use per-destination load
> balancing instead of paying for an unused link?  To achieve your goal,
> do exactly as you stated.  Setting the AD higher on one of the static
> routes will do what you want.
>
> To answer the last question, if a directly connected interface goes
> down then all routes that exit that interface are immediately removed
> from the routing table.  In the case of floating static routes, the
> change to the backup default will be instantaneous.
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Sam Sneed"  6/26/01 11:08:32 AM >>>
> Currently my internet connection is a Cisco 4700 with 2 frame relay
> lines.
> We do load sharing by having 2 default routes through each link.
> ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0.1
> ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial1.1
> This works quite well but we only want to use one link and have the
> other
> for backup so our ISP will charge a lower rate. I also want to stay
> away
> from using routing protocols.(its a small network).
>
> Will this work:
> Assign a greater adminstrative distance to one of the default routes so
> it
> will never be used over the desired default route unless the desired
> link
> goes down.
>
> Also how long does it take for a directly connected route and static
> routes
> assoicated with an interface to disappear from the routing tables?
>
> Thanks




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Catalyst 6500 Confusion [7:9983]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

Okay, I'm thoroughly confused.  I'm doing some research on this platform
because we'll be purchasing one later this year or early next year.  The
documentation seems to be quite murky and the more I read, the less
clear the picture is.  

I see a few different issues that I need help with.  The first is
software.  Which one to use?  CatOS?  Supervisor IOS?  If I can only do
CEF with IOS, then if we get CatOS are we totally hosed and limited to
software forwarding of interVLAN traffic?

I see that the MSFC2 can do 650 Mbps+ of software-based forwarding.  Is
this only referring to first-time routing of packets when no MLS entries
are present in the cache?  If there are cached entries are they
hardware-forwarded or are we still limited by the performance of the
MSFC?

We have a lot of interVLAN traffic and my worry is that as traffic
volumes increase that our performance will suffer due to restraints
present in the MSFC.

Without IOS and CEF, once the MLS cache is populated, aren't any
further packets hardware switched?  If that's the case, I don't see much
need to get the Sup IOS.  I seem to remember someone complaining about
the Sup IOS but I don't remember the details.  Hmm...I suppose I ought
to check the archives, huh?  :-)

Anyway, any help anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
John




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Re: Dual T1's and failover with static routes [7:9979]

2001-06-26 Thread John Neiberger

Sure, you can do this.  But why?  Why not use per-destination load
balancing instead of paying for an unused link?  To achieve your goal,
do exactly as you stated.  Setting the AD higher on one of the static
routes will do what you want.  

To answer the last question, if a directly connected interface goes
down then all routes that exit that interface are immediately removed
from the routing table.  In the case of floating static routes, the
change to the backup default will be instantaneous.

HTH,
John

>>> "Sam Sneed"  6/26/01 11:08:32 AM >>>
Currently my internet connection is a Cisco 4700 with 2 frame relay
lines.
We do load sharing by having 2 default routes through each link.
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0.1
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial1.1
This works quite well but we only want to use one link and have the
other
for backup so our ISP will charge a lower rate. I also want to stay
away
from using routing protocols.(its a small network).

Will this work:
Assign a greater adminstrative distance to one of the default routes so
it
will never be used over the desired default route unless the desired
link
goes down.

Also how long does it take for a directly connected route and static
routes
assoicated with an interface to disappear from the routing tables?

Thanks




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