Re: Subject: Re: Async dial access parameters [7:23910]
Technically, that is not entirely true. If you look at the RFC that governs NCP negotiation for IP(RFC 1332), it says this: 3.3. IP-Address Description This Configuration Option provides a way to negotiate the IP address to be used on the local end of the link. It allows the sender of the Configure-Request to state which IP-address is desired, or to request that the peer provide the information. The peer can provide this information by NAKing the option, and returning a valid IP-address. If negotiation about the remote IP-address is required, and the peer did not provide the option in its Configure-Request, the option SHOULD be appended to a Configure-Nak. The value of the IP-address given must be acceptable as the remote IP-address, or indicate a request that the peer provide the information. By default, no IP address is assigned. In order to get an ACK, you will need a response from the access server to provide an IP address. Normally, when a request is made with an IP address of 0.0.0.0, that will normally trigger an RFC 1541 DHCP discover. The access server can be configured to either pass along this request for DHCP assigned information, including any standard DHCP options (IP addr, mask, DNS, WINs, etc.), or it can use a statically assigned values you have configured on the access server. There are merits to doing it both ways. As far as windows, assigning a /32 mask to all IP assignments via a dialup connection, I must confess I have not seen this phenomenon. I decided to dial Netzero's network twice for a test. Here is what I received: F:\>ipconfig /all Windows NT IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : wernerpd DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 209.247.163.218 209.247.163.216 PPP adapter NdisWan5: Description . . . . . . . . : NdisWan Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-01-d0-2e-9c-80 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 209.244.227.9 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 209.244.227.9 LAN NIC assigned DNS values are as follows: 207.217.77.82 207.217.120.83 207.217.126.81 I then dialed the network again: F:\>ipconfig /all Windows NT IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : wernerpd DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 209.247.163.218 209.247.163.216 PPP adapter NdisWan5: Description . . . . . . . . : NdisWan Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-01-d0-2e-9c-80 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 63.215.152.226 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 63.215.152.226 Note that in both instances, DHCP was not used for IP assignment, so this would seem to indicate that these values were manually assigned on the access servers. v/r, Paul Werner > He is right. You can pass DNS and WINS information, > but subnet mask and stuff won't be in there. I don't > believe there is even a field in the IPCP packet for > that. Don't worry about what ipconfig says. It works > right? :) > > > > - --- nrf wrote: > > Strange, I was able to pass information like DNS and > > WINS to the client just > > fine on my access-server, using async-bootp. > > > > Note, you generally don't need to pass things like > > subnet mask or GW to the > > client anyway. If you are using normal IPCP > > negotiations, then the address > > of the access-server gets passed to the client as a > > host route. And > > whatever address the access-server hands to the > > client, Windows > > automatically gives it a /32 mask, even if you try > > to negotiate some other > > mask (I'm sure this behavior can be changed > > somewhere in the registry, I > > just don't know how, and besides, I don't know why > > you would want to). And > > by default in Windows, once a dial PPP session has > > been negotiated, Windows > > uses that PPP session as a default gateway > > automatically, so your > > access-server doesn't need to hand default gateway > > information to the > > client. You can turn this behavior off, if you > > want. > > > > > > NetEng wrote: > > > > > > > I have a 2600 w/ NM16AM, I have it configured > > and it works like a champ > > > > except for one thing. How do I pass network > > parameters to the client? I > > > need > > > > to specify the subnet mask, default gw, dns, > > etc. I tried the > > async-bootp > > > > command from global config, but that didnt work. > > I created the ip pool > > just > > > > fine, but I cant find where to set the rest of > > the info. TIA. Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24405&t=23910 -- FAQ, l
Re: CCIE R&S [7:24129]
Well Done Nigel Good to see another South African striving to the top. I have my lab booked for the 14th Jan 2002, first booking I could get. Good luck with yours. Shai www.routerdevils.com ""Nigel van Tura"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Guys > > After some more nights of revision and studies and sacrifice and the rest- I > have finally passed my written today. Not to be mistaken is the fact that it > was even a bit more complex that the first time around, but this time I was > prepared for it. My long nights and blood, sweat and tears have paid off > well- NOW FOR THE LAB exam, I would like to do it before xmas as I am well > prepared and attending a bootcamp for two weeks. > > Advice ( without violating NDA): > > Use all the resources that's available on the Cisco website- > > Books that I used: > Caslows second edition- Bridges, routers and switches for CCIEs > OSPF and BGP books by Halabi > Token Ring white paper by Rossi > and, of course, good old EXPERIENCE > > And then the study group- a BIG thanks to this group, and to the > administrators- you're doing a great job 8-) > > but mostly to God who is my strength and from whom all of my knowledge and > understanding and insight comes- I unashamedly admit this. > > Thanks guys > > Nigel van Tura > Snr Network Systems Consultant > Sourcecom Technology Solutions > Cape Town, South Africa Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24404&t=24129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
> Funny, on that thread, I didn't even really want to talk about Juniper and > the JNCIE, I just mentioned it lightly as an example to prove some other > point I was trying to make, and that caused a firestorm of protests. Just > like right now. Two people presenting arguments do not a firestorm make. More like a tempest in a teapot. The jury is still out on the quality of Juniper products: http://www.mier.com/reports/cisco/Cisco12400JuniperM160.pdf Sure Cisco sponsored it, but the test was fair and balanced and the results quite surprising. It is very easy to decry a product or a program arguing that REAL MEN do Juniper or some other appeal to machismo such as you started your "Hardest Networking exam" thread on alt.certification.cisco (or was it here?). I fail to see how this contributes to the confidence of candidates here that quite rightly expect to be met with demand for their skillset at the other end of their certification path. Your alleged out-of-work CCIE's must have either unrealistic salary expectations, live in Greenland or have serious personality defects. If one has CCIE level skills and the certification to back it up and one is willing to travel to where there IS demand, one will do very well. One will also have a much broader palette of skills and opportunities to use them as Cisco does not make only core routers as has already been pointed out. If you are interested in VoIP, Cisco has an entire range of integrated products. Likewise for network security. The key to staying relevant in any economy is to be specialized enough to have skills that others don't have, and to be flexible and diversified enough to be able to change to the market as it changes. At the moment, Juniper doesn't provide sufficient diversification for my liking. Were I to be a CCIE specifically looking at adding another vendor to my skillset and I worked for a provider that had Juniper production gear and/or a lab I would be very interested in their certification program. However, it is completely unrealistic for most listmembers to think that they will make the big money if they learn Juniper and get the JNCIE. Only senior engineers with those skills will get the Juniper jobs anyway. Juniper has some excellent engineers, and a good product, I don't mean to detract from that. But this list should be more focused on giving people inspiration and not trying to disappoint them by saying that there is no demand for the CCIE when their patently is. Best regards, Geoff Zinderdine CCNP MCP CCA SOB Lab Minkey-At-Large > > > > > ""Carroll Kong"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I tried searching the group study archives. We are in the CCIE > > Lab one, right? Or the CCIE Professional list? Well I tried both to no > > avail. > > Your logic makes sense given those conditions. However, we are > > all making hypotheses based on results from dice.com and others. Some > > companies are willing to hire a ccie consultant to do work that a ccna or > > ccnp can do. Juniper has far less equipment that most companies have. I > > thought Juniper only has the core. Cisco has the core, distribution, and > > access points. They also touch on other markets as well. You are > > hypothesizing the ratio is around the ball park, but from what I have > seen, > > there does not seem to be many Juniper projects about. This might lead to > > a conclusion that the sample is too small for us to draw statistical > > information from it. I am sure if you could sneak in one as a JNCIE, you > > could make boatloads of cash. > > I know you agree there are more Cisco jobs, but I disagree there > > is a disproportionate amount of competition for these jobs. People cry > for > > CCIEs day in and day out for some jobs, and are somehow "shocked" that > they > > are not out sleeping in the magic CCIE dispenser ready for you put in a > > quarter to get your CCIE. Some are even ludicrous enough to put insulting > > offers and rates and are somehow surprised that they get no responses or > > they get underqualified people applying. They want them, can't easily > find > > them. 6500 or so in the whole world, come on, that is certainly not a > lot. > > Anyway, this is like guessing the stock market because we are > > making educated guesses on conditions which are difficult to guage and it > > is difficult to predict the future trends. Many people thought a simple > > formula like "well, their market cap is less than their book value so they > > are a must buy", ended up getting burned because even though their logic > > seems to hold, the masses do not go for it and it is not as appealing as > it > > seems. In this case, it is the "get the JNCIE because there is no one out > > there with it". Well, you might get burned if the masses decide they do > > not want Juniper in the core and would like to deal with less vendors with > > more of an end to end solution or
Re: Finished CCNP - Let me know if you'd like advice [7:24370]
Congratulations. If what you say is true, I'm in pretty good shape. I have already passed the BCRAN and BCSN. I am taking BCMSN on Thursday. I saved CIT for last since I figured it would easy to pass after I have studied all the other topics to death. Brad ""Brian Wilkins"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I finished up my CCNP today, passing the BCRAN (last test). I started with > switching, then routing, then support (after I did the CCNA, of course). > > In terms of difficulty, here are my personal ratings from easiest to most > difficult: CIT (support), BCMSN (switching), BCSN (routing), BCRAN (Remote > Access). Although routing and remote access are probably interchangeable on > the list, because there were some questions on BCRAN that simply were not > fair. There were a few questions that asked for a single answer, but more > than one of the choices would have been absolutely correct with the > information presented. There were also some questions that required more > than one answer, but only one was actually correct. I had difficulty with > the routing one, simply because of so much BGP, which I don't work with all > that much. > > Anyway, if anyone has specific questions, please email me and I'll try to > assist you if I can. > > Best of luck to all. > > P.S. Thanks to all of you who contribute to this site. I have found it to > be a valuable resource in preparing for the certification. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24400&t=24370 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238]
I would say we agree to agree :-) In terms of the accuracy of the IPv4 assignmentin the link, it should be pretty current. This was cut and pasted from the top header: INTERNET PROTOCOL V4 ADDRESS SPACE (last updated 2001 September 12) Clearly there is a move to return address space back to the registries. v/r, Paul Werner Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Chuck Larrieu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > if the Bates Report is any indication, the trend is actually towards > more > fragmentation of the former class A space. ARIN has been allocating out > of > 64, 65, 66, blocks, for example. Those in turn have been doled out to > various ISP's and other organizations as something longer than /8 - > usually > /16 or even longer, from what I can tell on quick notice. I believe RIPE > recently opened up the 80 block. I seem to recall APNIC recently > announcing > opening of the 210/8 or 218/8 block. Saw it on NANOG a few weeks back, I > think. > > In other words, for public IP space, I don't think anyone other than the > registries themselves have title to more than one /8 address block. > Which > would therefore render the argument of supernetting /8's as moot. > > I suppose someone could do something like that in the 10 space, but one > has > to wonder why? > > BTW, looking over the allocation table at: > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space > > interesting. anyone know how up to date this is? > > Chuck > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Paul Werner > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238] > > > Agreed. While it is possible to supernet class A > addresses, it is generally impractical for the > most part, unless the ISP/AS that is summarizing > two Class A addresses owns both address spaces > (and they are contiguous). I might suspect that > somebody such as UUNet or AOL or Sprint might do > it, but checking the ARIN registry and IANA, I > cannot readily find any of them with contiguous > netblocks in the Class A address space for ISP > use. There are a few, but I would expect those > that exist to get returned back to IANA for > reassignment (watch wrap): > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space > > Class B and Class C address space is an entirely > different matter w.r.t supernetting. You will > note that just about all of the Class C address > space is set up and optimized for supernetting > based upon registry (read geographic) > allocation. That makes sense. > > HTH, > > Paul Werner > > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Thomas Larus > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Great point. It's not a supernet of anything. > Not with the first octet > > being 24. > > > > Thomas Larus > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Paul Werner" > > To: ; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:02 PM > > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) > please [7:24238] > > > > > > > Just as a clarification to what you wrote and > the terminology > > > that you used, how exactly are you defining > a "Supernet," > > > particularly on this network? > > > > > > v/r, > > > > > > Paul Werner > > > > > > > I could be wrong here, but I would imagine > the reason this > > > works is that > > > > you > > > > have a supernet there, with the mask of > 255.255.248.0, so the > > > hosts > > > > address > > > > is not all-ones, so is not treated as a > broadcast address. > > > The host > > > > address > > > > includes 3 binary digits from the third > octet (125), so it > > > works out to > > > > be > > > > 101 . I guess that zero saves it > from being a > > > broadacst > > > > address. > > > > > > > > Is this right, or did the Cable ISP just > screw up? > > > > > > > > Thomas Larus > > > > ""John Green"" wrote in message > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > the IP address alloted by the dhcp server > to my home > > > > > computer (via cable ie cable modem > connection) is > > > > > > > > > > IP address 24.15.125.255 > > > > > subnet mask 255.255.248.0 > > > > > def gw 24.15.125.1 > > > > > > > > > > ok look ar the last quad it is > 255 !!! > > > > > i can't believe this. > > > > > > > > > > do you how this is possible ? 0 and 255 > are rserved > > > > > for network and broadcast addresses. > > > > > > > > > > please email me asap... > > > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24399&t=24238 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www
Re: HSRP Problem [7:24358]
also show standby,sometimes when I use standby x ip x.x.x.x,There may be a problem,you just use standby ip x.x.x.x is you do not concern about secondary address good luck to you mozart ""Kevin Pan"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > One day, I discovered that one of the router continuously display an error > message from the console showing that there is a bad authentication between > HSRP members. > > *Oct 27 07:15:19: %STANDBY-3-BADAUTH: Bad authentication from x.x.x.x, > remote state Init > > Right now, there are only two routers forming the HSRP group. The > configuration was extracted as below: > > Router1 > interface Ethernet1 > ip address x.x.x.245 255.255.255.0 > standby 2 priority 200 preempt > standby 2 ip x.x.x.254 > > Router2 > interface Ethernet0/1 > ip address x.x.x.247 255.255.255.0 > standby 2 priority 150 preempt > standby 2 ip x.x.x.254 > > The message was only discovered on Router1. When I tried to increase the > priority of Router2 and make it becomes active. Then no error messages > appeared. > > Anyone has an idea? > > Please advise. > > Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24398&t=24358 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic only slightly - BGP on 25xx vs other platforms [7:24397]
BGP seems to work well in 2500 series without much issues that I can see, but I think it all boils down to your luck in chosing the right IOS... That seems more like a art than a science The latest isn't always the best, part of the problem seems to be in the amount of memory that the 2500 can hold... I would suggest sticking to IP Plus unless you need the other features... this would probably free up some memory.. be careful of routing loops... misconfiguration can cause the routers to "hang" due to CPU utilizations and I believe the proctors doesn't see that as a hardware problem ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > now that I'm busting into BGP with a passion, and finding myself exceedingly > frustrated, I'm just wondering - is BGP as confounding on other platforms as > it appears to be on the 25xx series? I mean stuff like adjacencies not > forming, routes not being propagated to established peers when there is no > filtering occurring, stuff like that? > > I sure seem to be reloading my routers a LOT while going through the > exercises in the Parkhurst book. :-O > > Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24397&t=24397 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Practical study 1 day lab book [7:24318]
CCIE Verification Tool Yes, Karl Solie is CCIE number 4599. However, certification is NOT currently active. (Current status is Suspended). the author has not taken any 1 day lab so he will not breaking any NDA , it's very smart from CP . Is it ok to used ccie nr even when the cert expired after 2 years ??? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24396&t=24318 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off Topic only slightly - BGP on 25xx vs other platforms [7:24395]
Chuck, Is this a code issue? I ask because I am currently responsible for a major ISP that was absorbed by my employer and that ISP was often running BGP and OSPF with their clients. I have not seen any BGP problems on these old 2500s. But they are running code in the early 11.1 ranges. I've just started my IE studies and haven't hammered on the BGP portions yet. I too have several 2500s for lab equipment and am now anxious to practice Caslow and Parkhurst lab scenarios. Chris CCNP/CCDP -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Off Topic only slightly - BGP on 25xx vs other platforms [7:24380] now that I'm busting into BGP with a passion, and finding myself exceedingly frustrated, I'm just wondering - is BGP as confounding on other platforms as it appears to be on the 25xx series? I mean stuff like adjacencies not forming, routes not being propagated to established peers when there is no filtering occurring, stuff like that? I sure seem to be reloading my routers a LOT while going through the exercises in the Parkhurst book. :-O Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24395&t=24395 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to config the catalyst 1200 and crack its pwd! [7:24394]
Hello team.. I am kind of confused and now worried about how to config the catalyst 1200. I am using the console cable and a db9 connector plugging directly into the admin port and when I power on, guess what?? it just stays there and doesn't display anything. I went to cisco site and downloaded the manual. I had talked already to someone on this group and he told me that I have to use a DB-25 instead of DB-9. My question is: Would that make any difference?? And if it does.. A DB-9 to DB-25 converter would solve my problem?? Another question: How do I crack the pwd?? I am kind desperate now..because I've got some of them just sitting in front of me and I can't do anything!!! Please advise, Alex Carvalho Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24394&t=24394 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Practical study 1 day lab book [7:24318]
Guys, Check out the link at booksamillion.com, the price is a little cheaper. BAMM.com and bookpool.com usually has good prices, also going to addall.com, you can search multiple book prices at the same time, it will search out the best prices for you.. I plan on getting it myself, like many other people on this forum, but how closely is this related to the real lab? What I mean is, are these labs supposed to help you try and get ready for the real lab test? Which brings out the next point, it is ok for Cisco to come out and break NDA but not ok for others to talk about the lab? :-) Cisco is probably saying, this book is the best to prepare for the lab because who can help you prepare for the lab better than the people that bring you the test http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?d=2042240383686&pid=1587200023 lab ccie wrote: > > Finally cisco press comes with this book for $70 ,why the > hdid they do it b 4 ? > > In-depth study and exercises for the CCIE Routing and Switching > Lab ExamCCIE Practical Studies, Volume I focuses on the 1-day > lab portion of the exam, largely regarded as the most difficult > portion of the CCIE testing process. This book includes > in-depth coverage for more than 70 lab scenarios, as well as > information on how to design and implement basic to complex > networks. Five CCIE simulation labs will test your knowledge > and ability to perform in a timed environment.Authored by CCIEs > in collaboration with CCIE Program Managers.In-depth coverage > of routing protocols provides both great practical knowledge > and exam preparation > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24393&t=24318 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297]
Well, since I'm already a CCIE, I can't help you there. Yeah, I know what you're saying, you're tired of the oversupply of network guys, lot of them incompetent paper-cert guys. Yeah me too - I think there is too much supply of network people too. It's just really too bad that it takes a recession to clear out the dead wood. I wish corporate America could be both profitable and smart about who they hire (so that no more smooth-talking know-nothings don't get jobs). But of course, wishing for that is like wishing for the winning lottery ticket. ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > The business cycle demands downturns. They perform the needed function of > ridding the economy of businesses that are poorly run or poorly placed in > the market. Now to be honest I could have done without this "Widespread" > downturn that's hitting so many sectors at once but its here so might as > well see the silver lining. Of course we could have done completely without > the reason for this current state of affairs but again nothing I can do > about it so may as well do our best in the meantime. Things are going to > change a lot in the coming months best get ready for whatever may happen but > I prefer a good attitude during it all. If you or anyone else wishes to drop > the idea of becoming a CCIE that's ok with me too for obvious reasons. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > nrf > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297] > > > Excited about an economic downturn, eh? Reminds me of those kids in school > who would remind the teacher that she didn't assign any homework. > > > > > ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Great point Chuck, this current downturn is not near what we went though > in > > the late 70's early 80's or back in 90. Apply Chucks advice, build your > > skills while this current market continues cause it will get better. > > Personally Im excited about this, a lot of corp deadwood is being trimmed > > and what survives will be much stronger. As for Juniper, nice idea but not > > very possible without a ton of capital. Besides there are more important > > things out there to worry about than certs right now. Keep a good outlook > > and dig in, nothing lasts forever. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Chuck Larrieu > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this > is > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't worry - > > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a > good > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking > > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? > > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or com > > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe > > same thing for juniper i guess > > 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having second > > though . > > just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24392&t=24297 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Auto sensing mode... [7:24375]
To set the duplex to full you must manual set the speed of the port. I have run into the same situation before. When you set the port speed to auto it will only let you force the duplex to half, when you try to set it to full it automatically goes into auto-sense. In my case the only way around was to force the speed and then force the duplex. Brad Moss CCNA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Odette II Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Auto sensing mode... [7:24375] Maybe a silly question, but did you check the port settings for the 7206?? It might have been set to half, and for some silly reason the CAT is opting for Auto Duplex rather than barking back at ya about the negotiation. Just a thought. If memory serves me correctly you should have the options of Full|Half|Auto for the duplex setting of the SET command. Let us know what you find, this could be simple, but interesting. -Mark Odette II StellarConnection Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Woodworth Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Auto sensing mode... [7:24375] Have discovered some packet loss on our network and figured it out to a duplex setting mismatch between two FE ports on Catalyst 5500 and a 7206. The 5500 is set to auto mode for both the duplex and speed. The speed is ok but it autoed to half instead of full. When I try to put the port in full duplex I get this: Cisco 5500> (enable) set port duplex 10/11 full Port 10/11 is in auto-sensing mode. The port is in use obviously. How to pull this FE port from auto into manual settings? Ive looked the set port commands but none seem to relate to autosensing. Thanks, Keith _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24390&t=24375 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with CiscoWorks 2000 [7:24391]
Hi Guys I've installed Ciscoworks 2000, at a clients site with 2 Cat 6509's & 12 Cat 3548's. In resource Manager I'm setting up syslog to report messages from the switches to CW2000, when I check the syslog reports on where I should expect to see the IP address of the switch that sent the message, I see "ThisAddressDoesNotExist" I have checked to see if all was set up on the switch ok which it was, I have also disabled reverse DNS. Can anyone tell me why I cannot see the IP address of the switch(by the way the switches in question have been set up to be managed by resource manager. Also on Campus manager in the topology map I want to see the names of the routers rather than the IP address how do manage that ? Thanks Simon _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24391&t=24391 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no ip route-cache cef??? [7:24296]
You might want to disable CEF-caching if you suspect you are having CEF problems. CEF used to be (and sometimes still is) rather buggy. That thing about how disabling CEF-caching also disables fast-switch caching is a bug, I think. I have noticed that behavior myself sometimes, but I don't think that it is what Cisco intended to happen. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24389&t=24296 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic only slightly - BGP on 25xx vs other platforms [7:24388]
Oh yes, BGP on a 2500 can be quite an interesting experience. ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > now that I'm busting into BGP with a passion, and finding myself exceedingly > frustrated, I'm just wondering - is BGP as confounding on other platforms as > it appears to be on the 25xx series? I mean stuff like adjacencies not > forming, routes not being propagated to established peers when there is no > filtering occurring, stuff like that? > > I sure seem to be reloading my routers a LOT while going through the > exercises in the Parkhurst book. :-O > > Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24388&t=24388 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238]
It says 09/12/2001 as the last update. >>> "Chuck Larrieu" 10/27/01 08:02PM >>> [snip] BTW, looking over the allocation table at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space interesting. anyone know how up to date this is? Chuck [snip] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24386&t=24238 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Auto sensing mode... [7:24375]
You need to first set the speed to 100 vs. auto-neg. set port xx speed 100 Then you will be able to force the duplex setting. __ Thomas Crowe Senior Systems Engineer / Architect CTS Professional Services - Atlanta __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Auto sensing mode... [7:24375] Have discovered some packet loss on our network and figured it out to a duplex setting mismatch between two FE ports on Catalyst 5500 and a 7206. The 5500 is set to auto mode for both the duplex and speed. The speed is ok but it autoed to half instead of full. When I try to put the port in full duplex I get this: Cisco 5500> (enable) set port duplex 10/11 full Port 10/11 is in auto-sensing mode. The port is in use obviously. How to pull this FE port from auto into manual settings? Ive looked the set port commands but none seem to relate to autosensing. Thanks, Keith [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Thomas Crowe.vcf] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24385&t=24375 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238]
The date is Sept 12 , 2001 , the first few lines of the page :) > if the Bates Report is any indication, the trend is actually towards more > fragmentation of the former class A space. ARIN has been allocating out of > 64, 65, 66, blocks, for example. Those in turn have been doled out to > various ISP's and other organizations as something longer than /8 - usually > /16 or even longer, from what I can tell on quick notice. I believe RIPE > recently opened up the 80 block. I seem to recall APNIC recently announcing > opening of the 210/8 or 218/8 block. Saw it on NANOG a few weeks back, I > think. > > In other words, for public IP space, I don't think anyone other than the > registries themselves have title to more than one /8 address block. Which > would therefore render the argument of supernetting /8's as moot. > > I suppose someone could do something like that in the 10 space, but one has > to wonder why? > > BTW, looking over the allocation table at: > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space > > interesting. anyone know how up to date this is? > > Chuck > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Paul Werner > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238] > > > Agreed. While it is possible to supernet class A > addresses, it is generally impractical for the > most part, unless the ISP/AS that is summarizing > two Class A addresses owns both address spaces > (and they are contiguous). I might suspect that > somebody such as UUNet or AOL or Sprint might do > it, but checking the ARIN registry and IANA, I > cannot readily find any of them with contiguous > netblocks in the Class A address space for ISP > use. There are a few, but I would expect those > that exist to get returned back to IANA for > reassignment (watch wrap): > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space > > Class B and Class C address space is an entirely > different matter w.r.t supernetting. You will > note that just about all of the Class C address > space is set up and optimized for supernetting > based upon registry (read geographic) > allocation. That makes sense. > > HTH, > > Paul Werner > > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Thomas Larus > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Great point. It's not a supernet of anything. > Not with the first octet > > being 24. > > > > Thomas Larus > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Paul Werner" > > To: ; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:02 PM > > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) > please [7:24238] > > > > > > > Just as a clarification to what you wrote and > the terminology > > > that you used, how exactly are you defining > a "Supernet," > > > particularly on this network? > > > > > > v/r, > > > > > > Paul Werner > > > > > > > I could be wrong here, but I would imagine > the reason this > > > works is that > > > > you > > > > have a supernet there, with the mask of > 255.255.248.0, so the > > > hosts > > > > address > > > > is not all-ones, so is not treated as a > broadcast address. > > > The host > > > > address > > > > includes 3 binary digits from the third > octet (125), so it > > > works out to > > > > be > > > > 101 . I guess that zero saves it > from being a > > > broadacst > > > > address. > > > > > > > > Is this right, or did the Cable ISP just > screw up? > > > > > > > > Thomas Larus > > > > ""John Green"" wrote in message > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > the IP address alloted by the dhcp server > to my home > > > > > computer (via cable ie cable modem > connection) is > > > > > > > > > > IP address 24.15.125.255 > > > > > subnet mask 255.255.248.0 > > > > > def gw 24.15.125.1 > > > > > > > > > > ok look ar the last quad it is > 255 !!! > > > > > i can't believe this. > > > > > > > > > > do you how this is possible ? 0 and 255 > are rserved > > > > > for network and broadcast addresses. > > > > > > > > > > please email me asap... > > > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24384&t=24238 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic only slightly - BGP on 25xx vs other platforms [7:24382]
Chuck, Ahhh, the joys of BGP. Still, it's refreshing to find someone who uses the words "passion" and "BGP" in the same sentence. Hehe, I've been just as frustrated doing BGP labs with 7200s and 7500s. So I guess it's not just a 2500 thing? Cya ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > now that I'm busting into BGP with a passion, and finding myself exceedingly > frustrated, I'm just wondering - is BGP as confounding on other platforms as > it appears to be on the 25xx series? I mean stuff like adjacencies not > forming, routes not being propagated to established peers when there is no > filtering occurring, stuff like that? > > I sure seem to be reloading my routers a LOT while going through the > exercises in the Parkhurst book. :-O > > Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24382&t=24382 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is IBM 3272 and CAT 3920 same switch ? [7:24362]
If you haven't found out by Monday, I can probably ask around for you. Interesting thoughdrop me a line if you still need to know Monday. ""john zaggat"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, can some one tell me if IBM 3272-216 and Cisco Cat 3920 the same token > ring switch. Both have very similar menus, just wondering if I can upload > cisco OS on to the IBM switch. > Thanks for your help Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24383&t=24362 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Auto sensing mode... [7:24375]
Maybe a silly question, but did you check the port settings for the 7206?? It might have been set to half, and for some silly reason the CAT is opting for Auto Duplex rather than barking back at ya about the negotiation. Just a thought. If memory serves me correctly you should have the options of Full|Half|Auto for the duplex setting of the SET command. Let us know what you find, this could be simple, but interesting. -Mark Odette II StellarConnection Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Woodworth Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Auto sensing mode... [7:24375] Have discovered some packet loss on our network and figured it out to a duplex setting mismatch between two FE ports on Catalyst 5500 and a 7206. The 5500 is set to auto mode for both the duplex and speed. The speed is ok but it autoed to half instead of full. When I try to put the port in full duplex I get this: Cisco 5500> (enable) set port duplex 10/11 full Port 10/11 is in auto-sensing mode. The port is in use obviously. How to pull this FE port from auto into manual settings? Ive looked the set port commands but none seem to relate to autosensing. Thanks, Keith Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24381&t=24375 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Off Topic only slightly - BGP on 25xx vs other platforms [7:24380]
now that I'm busting into BGP with a passion, and finding myself exceedingly frustrated, I'm just wondering - is BGP as confounding on other platforms as it appears to be on the 25xx series? I mean stuff like adjacencies not forming, routes not being propagated to established peers when there is no filtering occurring, stuff like that? I sure seem to be reloading my routers a LOT while going through the exercises in the Parkhurst book. :-O Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24380&t=24380 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238]
if the Bates Report is any indication, the trend is actually towards more fragmentation of the former class A space. ARIN has been allocating out of 64, 65, 66, blocks, for example. Those in turn have been doled out to various ISP's and other organizations as something longer than /8 - usually /16 or even longer, from what I can tell on quick notice. I believe RIPE recently opened up the 80 block. I seem to recall APNIC recently announcing opening of the 210/8 or 218/8 block. Saw it on NANOG a few weeks back, I think. In other words, for public IP space, I don't think anyone other than the registries themselves have title to more than one /8 address block. Which would therefore render the argument of supernetting /8's as moot. I suppose someone could do something like that in the 10 space, but one has to wonder why? BTW, looking over the allocation table at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space interesting. anyone know how up to date this is? Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Werner Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238] Agreed. While it is possible to supernet class A addresses, it is generally impractical for the most part, unless the ISP/AS that is summarizing two Class A addresses owns both address spaces (and they are contiguous). I might suspect that somebody such as UUNet or AOL or Sprint might do it, but checking the ARIN registry and IANA, I cannot readily find any of them with contiguous netblocks in the Class A address space for ISP use. There are a few, but I would expect those that exist to get returned back to IANA for reassignment (watch wrap): http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space Class B and Class C address space is an entirely different matter w.r.t supernetting. You will note that just about all of the Class C address space is set up and optimized for supernetting based upon registry (read geographic) allocation. That makes sense. HTH, Paul Werner On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Thomas Larus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Great point. It's not a supernet of anything. Not with the first octet > being 24. > > Thomas Larus > > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Werner" > To: ; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238] > > > > Just as a clarification to what you wrote and the terminology > > that you used, how exactly are you defining a "Supernet," > > particularly on this network? > > > > v/r, > > > > Paul Werner > > > > > I could be wrong here, but I would imagine the reason this > > works is that > > > you > > > have a supernet there, with the mask of 255.255.248.0, so the > > hosts > > > address > > > is not all-ones, so is not treated as a broadcast address. > > The host > > > address > > > includes 3 binary digits from the third octet (125), so it > > works out to > > > be > > > 101 . I guess that zero saves it from being a > > broadacst > > > address. > > > > > > Is this right, or did the Cable ISP just screw up? > > > > > > Thomas Larus > > > ""John Green"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > the IP address alloted by the dhcp server to my home > > > > computer (via cable ie cable modem connection) is > > > > > > > > IP address 24.15.125.255 > > > > subnet mask 255.255.248.0 > > > > def gw 24.15.125.1 > > > > > > > > ok look ar the last quad it is 255 !!! > > > > i can't believe this. > > > > > > > > do you how this is possible ? 0 and 255 are rserved > > > > for network and broadcast addresses. > > > > > > > > please email me asap... Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24379&t=24238 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Port duplex auto settings [7:24377]
never mind that questions about port duplex settings on a Cat5500...as usual I was too hasty in posting the question before I went and looked some more on CCO. Found itneed to peg the speed, then the port comes out of auto, then you can peg the duplex at what you want. Sorry for the traffic. Keith Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24377&t=24377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OSPF Router ID and IP Addresses [7:24003]
So it is important to use loop interface in OSPF, because it is always
up.-
I recently discovered that the "shutdown" command works on loopback
interfaces also. ;->
Chuck
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Li Hou
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OSPF Router ID and IP Addresses [7:24003]
Of course the 193.x.x.x will become the routers' ID after reboot.
If you start OSPF before the interface Eth 2 up, then the ID should keep the
last one until reboot!
So it is important to use loop interface in OSPF, because it is always up.
""Thompson, Robert D"" P4HkO{O"PBNE
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi All,
>
> Can anybody clear something up for me.
>
> In OSPF when selecting the Router ID, what Interface will OSPF choose as
the
> Router ID on this particular router. For example
>
> Interface Ethernet 0
> IP address 10.1.1.1 255.0.0.0
>
> Interface Ethernet 1
> IP address 172.16.100.1 255.255.0.0
>
> Interface Ethernet 2
> IP address 193.221.200.1 255.255.255.0
>
> rest of config not listed for this discussion and IP address structure
made
> up for the discussion
>
>
> (in this case I won't use a loopback interface, purely to discuss Router
ID
> and IP address considerations)
>
> I understand its the highest IP address that will win, in this case will
it
> be 10.1.1.1? or will it be 193.221.200.1
>
> I will appreciate any comments
>
> Cheers
>
> Rob
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Auto sensing mode... [7:24375]
Have discovered some packet loss on our network and figured it out to a duplex setting mismatch between two FE ports on Catalyst 5500 and a 7206. The 5500 is set to auto mode for both the duplex and speed. The speed is ok but it autoed to half instead of full. When I try to put the port in full duplex I get this: Cisco 5500> (enable) set port duplex 10/11 full Port 10/11 is in auto-sensing mode. The port is in use obviously. How to pull this FE port from auto into manual settings? Ive looked the set port commands but none seem to relate to autosensing. Thanks, Keith Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24375&t=24375 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HSRP Problem [7:24358]
first, ensure both router's ethernet port are connected with the same lan open debug ip hsrp on each router to debug the status of the ACTIVE , STANDBY. ""Kevin Pan"" One day, I discovered that one of the router continuously display an error > message from the console showing that there is a bad authentication between > HSRP members. > > *Oct 27 07:15:19: %STANDBY-3-BADAUTH: Bad authentication from x.x.x.x, > remote state Init > > Right now, there are only two routers forming the HSRP group. The > configuration was extracted as below: > > Router1 > interface Ethernet1 > ip address x.x.x.245 255.255.255.0 > standby 2 priority 200 preempt > standby 2 ip x.x.x.254 > > Router2 > interface Ethernet0/1 > ip address x.x.x.247 255.255.255.0 > standby 2 priority 150 preempt > standby 2 ip x.x.x.254 > > The message was only discovered on Router1. When I tried to increase the > priority of Router2 and make it becomes active. Then no error messages > appeared. > > Anyone has an idea? > > Please advise. > > Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24373&t=24358 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238]
Agreed. While it is possible to supernet class A addresses, it is generally impractical for the most part, unless the ISP/AS that is summarizing two Class A addresses owns both address spaces (and they are contiguous). I might suspect that somebody such as UUNet or AOL or Sprint might do it, but checking the ARIN registry and IANA, I cannot readily find any of them with contiguous netblocks in the Class A address space for ISP use. There are a few, but I would expect those that exist to get returned back to IANA for reassignment (watch wrap): http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space Class B and Class C address space is an entirely different matter w.r.t supernetting. You will note that just about all of the Class C address space is set up and optimized for supernetting based upon registry (read geographic) allocation. That makes sense. HTH, Paul Werner On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Thomas Larus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Great point. It's not a supernet of anything. Not with the first octet > being 24. > > Thomas Larus > > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Werner" > To: ; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238] > > > > Just as a clarification to what you wrote and the terminology > > that you used, how exactly are you defining a "Supernet," > > particularly on this network? > > > > v/r, > > > > Paul Werner > > > > > I could be wrong here, but I would imagine the reason this > > works is that > > > you > > > have a supernet there, with the mask of 255.255.248.0, so the > > hosts > > > address > > > is not all-ones, so is not treated as a broadcast address. > > The host > > > address > > > includes 3 binary digits from the third octet (125), so it > > works out to > > > be > > > 101 . I guess that zero saves it from being a > > broadacst > > > address. > > > > > > Is this right, or did the Cable ISP just screw up? > > > > > > Thomas Larus > > > ""John Green"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > the IP address alloted by the dhcp server to my home > > > > computer (via cable ie cable modem connection) is > > > > > > > > IP address 24.15.125.255 > > > > subnet mask 255.255.248.0 > > > > def gw 24.15.125.1 > > > > > > > > ok look ar the last quad it is 255 !!! > > > > i can't believe this. > > > > > > > > do you how this is possible ? 0 and 255 are rserved > > > > for network and broadcast addresses. > > > > > > > > please email me asap... Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24372&t=24238 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO! [7:24336]
On Mar 19, 5:22am, "nrf" wrote: } } [snip argument we've heard umpteen times] I won't argue with the basic premise of your argument, since it is sound as far as it goes. However you are looking at just the picture at this moment, i.e. a static image. That isn't very interesting, it is much more interesting to consider what is going to happen over the long term, i.e. it is time to move onto Econ 201 and do some trend analysis. I won't claim to be able to predict the future, so these are just my opinions based on what I have seen. Juniper only plays in a niche market, so there is limited demand for their products. Cisco plays in a broad market, so there is much greater demand for their products. Further more, Cisco is starting to make products that compete head to head with Juniper's products and are starting to eat into Juniper's market. Unless Juniper makes some big changes, they could be in trouble. I don't know what will happen in the long run, but I do know that it won't happen today. The economy will get better. People will start building up networks that have stalled (heck, I've just been given the opportunity to build a small "enterprise" network from scratch). When that happens, people will be buying lots of Cisco products as well as some Juniper products. However, Juniper will still be a niche product with a very small market, which means that the Cisco market will grow much more rapidly. Therefore, I feel that in the long run, Cisco is a much safer bet. Sure, JNCIEs may make more, but unless Juniper makes some serious changes, there will always be very limited demand for them. Once the market is saturated, that's it. It doesn't matter how much JNCIEs make, if there are no jobs available. I think the bottom line is this. Everybody has heard the arguments, especially many repeats of yours. Everybody will make up their own mind based on the information they have. This is a Cisco study list, not a Juniper advocacy list, which means that your continued evangelising of Juniper is grossly off topic and isn't particularly welcome, so GET LOST!!! }-- End of excerpt from "nrf" Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24369&t=24336 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238]
Great point. It's not a supernet of anything. Not with the first octet being 24. Thomas Larus - Original Message - From: "Paul Werner" To: ; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238] > Just as a clarification to what you wrote and the terminology > that you used, how exactly are you defining a "Supernet," > particularly on this network? > > v/r, > > Paul Werner > > > I could be wrong here, but I would imagine the reason this > works is that > > you > > have a supernet there, with the mask of 255.255.248.0, so the > hosts > > address > > is not all-ones, so is not treated as a broadcast address. > The host > > address > > includes 3 binary digits from the third octet (125), so it > works out to > > be > > 101 . I guess that zero saves it from being a > broadacst > > address. > > > > Is this right, or did the Cable ISP just screw up? > > > > Thomas Larus > > ""John Green"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > the IP address alloted by the dhcp server to my home > > > computer (via cable ie cable modem connection) is > > > > > > IP address 24.15.125.255 > > > subnet mask 255.255.248.0 > > > def gw 24.15.125.1 > > > > > > ok look ar the last quad it is 255 !!! > > > i can't believe this. > > > > > > do you how this is possible ? 0 and 255 are rserved > > > for network and broadcast addresses. > > > > > > please email me asap... > > > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24371&t=24238 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Finished CCNP - Let me know if you'd like advice [7:24370]
I finished up my CCNP today, passing the BCRAN (last test). I started with switching, then routing, then support (after I did the CCNA, of course). In terms of difficulty, here are my personal ratings from easiest to most difficult: CIT (support), BCMSN (switching), BCSN (routing), BCRAN (Remote Access). Although routing and remote access are probably interchangeable on the list, because there were some questions on BCRAN that simply were not fair. There were a few questions that asked for a single answer, but more than one of the choices would have been absolutely correct with the information presented. There were also some questions that required more than one answer, but only one was actually correct. I had difficulty with the routing one, simply because of so much BGP, which I don't work with all that much. Anyway, if anyone has specific questions, please email me and I'll try to assist you if I can. Best of luck to all. P.S. Thanks to all of you who contribute to this site. I have found it to be a valuable resource in preparing for the certification. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24370&t=24370 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186]
Kinda like Friends don't let friends Nortel. That reminds me whatever did happen to the groupstudy slogan T shirt. I recall many times sun pass over earth in the days of yore,the list was working on such sillyness . Come on Circusnuts, Chuck, Brad help me out here Oz Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24368&t=24186 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Re: quick response (help) please [7:24238]
Just as a clarification to what you wrote and the terminology that you used, how exactly are you defining a "Supernet," particularly on this network? v/r, Paul Werner > I could be wrong here, but I would imagine the reason this works is that > you > have a supernet there, with the mask of 255.255.248.0, so the hosts > address > is not all-ones, so is not treated as a broadcast address. The host > address > includes 3 binary digits from the third octet (125), so it works out to > be > 101 . I guess that zero saves it from being a broadacst > address. > > Is this right, or did the Cable ISP just screw up? > > Thomas Larus > ""John Green"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > the IP address alloted by the dhcp server to my home > > computer (via cable ie cable modem connection) is > > > > IP address 24.15.125.255 > > subnet mask 255.255.248.0 > > def gw 24.15.125.1 > > > > ok look ar the last quad it is 255 !!! > > i can't believe this. > > > > do you how this is possible ? 0 and 255 are rserved > > for network and broadcast addresses. > > > > please email me asap... Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24367&t=24238 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186]
I saw a T-shirt a few weeks back that said: CCNA - I can spell it CCDA - I can see it CCNP - I can fix it CCDP - I can draw it CCIE - I am the network LAB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186] Hmmm CCIE assuming heh...grin CCNA assumes to know CCNP knows not to assume CCIE knows Just had to belt that out.. sheeesh was that punny Now I think about a little it was Belkin Oz _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24366&t=24186 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco IOS latest version [7:24324]
And a SmartNet contract. Jeff wrote: > I believe you need a CCO, but check www.cisco.com under software section. > > -jeff > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Alexandre Carvalho wrote: > > > Hello Team, > > > > I got some 2511's with the software 11.x inside those and some catalyst > 1200 > > ( they say it's set command based like the 5000's). > > Can someone tell me or point me a place where I can get the latest version > > of the IOS (enterprise is Welcome!!!). > > I will sell those on e-bay like a mini-lab as a recomendation of somebody > > that is helping me a lot!!! > > > > Thanx!! > > > > Alex Carvalho Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24365&t=24324 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186]
Hmmm CCIE assuming heh...grin CCNA assumes to know CCNP knows not to assume CCIE knows Just had to belt that out.. sheeesh was that punny Now I think about a little it was Belkin Oz Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24364&t=24186 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297]
The business cycle demands downturns. They perform the needed function of ridding the economy of businesses that are poorly run or poorly placed in the market. Now to be honest I could have done without this "Widespread" downturn that's hitting so many sectors at once but its here so might as well see the silver lining. Of course we could have done completely without the reason for this current state of affairs but again nothing I can do about it so may as well do our best in the meantime. Things are going to change a lot in the coming months best get ready for whatever may happen but I prefer a good attitude during it all. If you or anyone else wishes to drop the idea of becoming a CCIE that's ok with me too for obvious reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297] Excited about an economic downturn, eh? Reminds me of those kids in school who would remind the teacher that she didn't assign any homework. ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Great point Chuck, this current downturn is not near what we went though in > the late 70's early 80's or back in 90. Apply Chucks advice, build your > skills while this current market continues cause it will get better. > Personally Im excited about this, a lot of corp deadwood is being trimmed > and what survives will be much stronger. As for Juniper, nice idea but not > very possible without a ton of capital. Besides there are more important > things out there to worry about than certs right now. Keep a good outlook > and dig in, nothing lasts forever. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Chuck Larrieu > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this is > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't worry - > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a good > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or com > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe > same thing for juniper i guess > 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having second > though . > just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24363&t=24297 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is IBM 3272 and CAT 3920 same switch ? [7:24362]
Hi, can some one tell me if IBM 3272-216 and Cisco Cat 3920 the same token ring switch. Both have very similar menus, just wondering if I can upload cisco OS on to the IBM switch. Thanks for your help Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24362&t=24362 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can not get these sentences meaning [7:24001]
In SRB, the source send an explore packet and the packet will reture the
sender with path info.
Those info in rif format like: ...
So those following packets forward according to the info to reach
destimation.
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CCIE,CCNP,CCDP,MCSE
""xie rootstock"" P4HkO{O"PBNE
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> from lan switching book
>
> Note that transparent bridging differs from SRB in signifcant ways, first,
> in SRB. the source device determines what path the frame must follow to
> reach the destination. in transparent bridging. the bridge determines the
> path. secondly. the information used to determine the path differs. SRB
uses
> bridge/ring identifiers. and transpartent bridging uses destination mac
> address.
>
> i have konwn the up part , but what is following means
>
> the bridge determines the path. secondly. the information used to
determine
> the path differs. SRB uses bridge/ring identifiers. and transpartent
> bridging uses destination mac address
>
> why the bridge determines the path? what information used to determine the
> path differs.
>
> in what surroudding, token ring has not rif and use transperent bridge?
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Re: OSPF Router ID and IP Addresses [7:24003]
Of course the 193.x.x.x will become the routers' ID after reboot.
If you start OSPF before the interface Eth 2 up, then the ID should keep the
last one until reboot!
So it is important to use loop interface in OSPF, because it is always up.
""Thompson, Robert D"" P4HkO{O"PBNE
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> Hi All,
>
> Can anybody clear something up for me.
>
> In OSPF when selecting the Router ID, what Interface will OSPF choose as
the
> Router ID on this particular router. For example
>
> Interface Ethernet 0
> IP address 10.1.1.1 255.0.0.0
>
> Interface Ethernet 1
> IP address 172.16.100.1 255.255.0.0
>
> Interface Ethernet 2
> IP address 193.221.200.1 255.255.255.0
>
> rest of config not listed for this discussion and IP address structure
made
> up for the discussion
>
>
> (in this case I won't use a loopback interface, purely to discuss Router
ID
> and IP address considerations)
>
> I understand its the highest IP address that will win, in this case will
it
> be 10.1.1.1? or will it be 193.221.200.1
>
> I will appreciate any comments
>
> Cheers
>
> Rob
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RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186]
I did the same thing - bought a new laptop and assumed it had a DB-9 serial port - it didn't. I had to buy a Belkin USB -> Serial adapter. Works great!! Louie A Belt CCIE #7054 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186] Some corp makes an adapter for the palm pilots which is USB to DB9 and it works well.. ther is no cable it's just a big hplastic adapter thingy _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24359&t=24186 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HSRP Problem [7:24358]
One day, I discovered that one of the router continuously display an error message from the console showing that there is a bad authentication between HSRP members. *Oct 27 07:15:19: %STANDBY-3-BADAUTH: Bad authentication from x.x.x.x, remote state Init Right now, there are only two routers forming the HSRP group. The configuration was extracted as below: Router1 interface Ethernet1 ip address x.x.x.245 255.255.255.0 standby 2 priority 200 preempt standby 2 ip x.x.x.254 Router2 interface Ethernet0/1 ip address x.x.x.247 255.255.255.0 standby 2 priority 150 preempt standby 2 ip x.x.x.254 The message was only discovered on Router1. When I tried to increase the priority of Router2 and make it becomes active. Then no error messages appeared. Anyone has an idea? Please advise. Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24358&t=24358 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2000 professional & hyperterminal [7:24171]
Jimmy You may want to get a copy of SecureCRT, most people that I know that works with Cisco equipment every day use it My 2 cents JB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 2000 professional & hyperterminal [7:24171] Fdisk hyperterminal and get a copy of terraterm here http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm. It's easier better and free.. Oz jimmy halbert wrote: > > Is there anything special that is required to get hyperterminal > to work with > 2000 professional Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24357&t=24171 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ATM/FR Interworking [7:24190]
mostly on the provider end, if my (albeit limited ) experience is any indicator. I have several clients who are doing combinations of DSL-ATM and Frame-ATM. It works fine. the problem is always getting the damn thing working in the first place. From what the installation techs tell me, it seems to be more of the same old telco mentality thing. maybe they set it up right. maybe they gave you the right pvc's. maybe they know what you're talking about when you call to complain. :-> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Jin Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ATM/FR Interworking [7:24190] Well, good luck on getting your service straightened out. Frame and ATM internetworking is relatively new so lots of tweaks have to be done. including on the provider end. We are trying to tweak some parameters now for some of our customers running the same type of service. But as far as your service, it looks like yours is working ok and you are just trying to get the best paremeters configured on the routers. Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24356&t=24190 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
At 12:13 PM 10/27/01 -0400, nrf wrote: >OK, let me clarify. When I said 'in the ballpark' I was referring only to >the supply side of the equation. What I wanted to say was this: the ratio >of CCIE's to JNCIE's is about 330:1. That is indisputable. Now I >anticipated that some people would argue that I was only looking at the xxIE >market, and what about people who weren't quite that good. The problem is >the there really is no lesser Juniper cert, so it is difficult to determine >just how many beginner or intermediate-level Juniper people there are. So I >hypothesized that the ratio of Cisco-trained people (who were not CCIE's) to >Juniper people (who were not JNCIE's) would not be that far away from 330:1. >Of course, I don't know what the exact number is, but I can't believe it's >going to be so different from the CCIE to JNCIE number. It's certainly not >going to be 1:1, for example. > >And, no, I do not like the dice/monster comparison, because I don't think it >provides a good analysis of the demand curve (college econ majors, are you >listening?). I would rather look at revenue earned by each company, because >I think it represents a more true estimate of the true demand curve. People >might say that Juniper really doesn't sell that much, and there really >aren't that many buyers of Juniper gear, etc. etc. but on the other hand, >according to the latest financial figures, Juniper sold $1billion of gear in >the last 12 months, so obviously somebody must like their stuff (for >comparison, Cisco sold about $22 billion in the same time frame). > > >I am not sure about something you asked. Are you asking where to find my >previous post that I had referred to? It is post 7:3485, on 10/1/01, >10:58PM on this mailing list, entitled RE:Is the CCIE really worth it. I >see it right here on my mail client. If you can't access it, maybe I'll >just try to forward it to you somehow (email, probably). > > Funny, on that thread, I didn't even really want to talk about Juniper and >the JNCIE, I just mentioned it lightly as an example to prove some other >point I was trying to make, and that caused a firestorm of protests. Just >like right now. For starters, I am not necessarily siding for Cisco or for Juniper. Just trying to debunk any possible misconceptions. A lot of what you are saying is sensible. I think some things are a bit flawed. No, I do not agree that it is 330:1. (for all cisco vs juniper) That assumes the target has an even distribution, like given X and Y, they both have an even distribution of people who would want the "high, medium, low" skill sets. The thing is, most low and medium skill sets would not even think Juniper, mainly because there is no Juniper in the low and medium scale components. They have high end gear, which requires, high end skills. What the heck would the equivalent CCNA of a Juniper guy do? Be able to login and logout? Everything else in the core must be far too advanced for a junior. The number, although undeterminable, in my guess would be ridiculously higher for Cisco. The revenue model is somewhat flawed as well. Juniper gear is fairly expensive, you have no idea how many clients bought that much gear, no idea how much each client bought, etc. Now purely as an example: What if their routers cost half a million each? The end result is 200 routers sold. The number of jobs needed to handle that many would not be a lot. That of course is an extreme case, but Juniper does sell expensive gear compared to some Cisco equipment. It goes back to what kind of gear and where. Core gear is going to be few, but expensive. Distribution, medium. Access, a boatload, but cheap. Yeah, just forward me the email, but I think we are similar ground here, just some slight differences. I would protest if anyone said anything which seemed quesitonable, JNCIE, CCIE, MCSE, Engineering, Programming, SysAdmin, Security, etc. This has nothing to do with CCIE self-justification and what not. There is no doubt that a JNCIE will make more money than a CCIE, simple supply and demand dictates that. Now finding a Juniper job easily may or may not be hard. I suppose if they just call Juniper and ask for JNCIEs, yeah, you will probably be hot on their list. But this still depends on the logistics of who the clients are, where they are, how many, etc. If there are very few clients, even with 20 guys, you might never get that call. Like I said before, and I will say it again. If you strongly feel that Juniper's influence will grow a lot more, yes, JNCIE is a good "risk" choice. The potential returns now are enormous. Even though there are no jobs now, if the calls roll in, with 20 guys, you will get that call. This is how some CCIEs I know get their calls, from local Cisco centers. Of course, like nrf said, more competition, but with the Cisco situation, you do not necessarily rely just on the local company centers. The risk b
RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186]
I have a Sony Picturebook, which has been my favorite laptop ever. Tiny, but usable. However, it doesn't have a serial port, which makes it hard to configure routers. I solved the problem with a PCMCIA card from Socket that adds a db9 to my workstation; and I think they also have a unit with a network adapter on the same unit, although I could be wrong about that... --- Dennis -Original Message- From: Ozzie sutcliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186] Some corp makes an adapter for the palm pilots which is USB to DB9 and it works well.. ther is no cable it's just a big hplastic adapter thingy Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24354&t=24186 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what is feature license? [7:24220]
The feature "sets" are not in addition too but rather replacement of. IP feature sets runs IP need BGP then you need IP Plus Need IP and IPX then you nedd IP IPX and so on.. Out with old IOS in with the new IOS. Watch for flash and ram requirements on the routers as the 12xx are getting kinda microsoftee.. Soon the Cisco with have the old NT question.. Q. TO increase performance on IOS A Add more RAM B Add even more RAM C Add flash D Add even more flash E all of the above Heh hi Chuck /\ Oz John Hardman wrote: > > Hi > > No it would not be present in the software. If you want to > those features > you will need to buy the image that supports. > > HTH > -- > John Hardman CCNP > > > ""steven"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Do i need to order some feature license to get additional > service? > > For example ,for one 2948G-L3 ,CCO said "The base Cisco IOS > Release > > 12.0(7)WX5(15a) software, which includes RIP and RIP 2, comes > with the > > Catalyst 2948G-L3 switch router. Use license number > FR2948GL3-IP to order > > software that includes OSPF, IGRP, and EIGRP. " > > if i don't order it ,could i run ospf ?or i can run it just > illegally? > > > > > > Thanks > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24353&t=24220 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SDRAM [7:24228]
anything that needs to be stored in RAM.. So any application need RAM sdram is just a type of RAM Maybe hit www.tomshardware.com. Oz > Can somebody tell me for what SDRAM is mostly used for (What > type of > application require the use of SDRAM). > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24352&t=24228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2000 professional & hyperterminal [7:24171]
Fdisk hyperterminal and get a copy of terraterm here http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm. It's easier better and free.. Oz jimmy halbert wrote: > > Is there anything special that is required to get hyperterminal > to work with > 2000 professional Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24351&t=24171 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: new laptop and no db9 [7:24186]
Some corp makes an adapter for the palm pilots which is USB to DB9 and it works well.. ther is no cable it's just a big hplastic adapter thingy Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24350&t=24186 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring hyperterminal to configure a Cisco [7:24211]
Go here you can terraterm all flavors... http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm Hypeterm is just plain ugly , after a while the text wiil flow off the gui, across the monitor and all over the floor. NT may beat you up doing break commands.. Your laptop may not even have break key.. Terraterm does the break thu the software and it has a really cool cut and paste feature.. And it's free Oz Oztuffgong wrote: > > I also like SecureCRT if you plan on using SSH at all. > > Since your just starting get a decent emulation program, I > like > > TeraTerm and it's free at www.tucows.com. > > > > But if you must, plug you PC into the router, the console > should be > > 9600, 8, none and 1 > > > > Dave > > > > Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > I have a Cisco router and a hyperterminal. Can anybody > tell me how to > > > configure a hyperterminal on my laptop or PC to be able to > configure the > > > router (step by step). > > > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > > > Stephane Wantou > > -- > > David Madland > > Sr. Network Engineer > > CCIE# 2016 > > Qwest Communications Int. Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 612-664-3367 > > > > "Emotion should reflect reason not guide it" > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24349&t=24211 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Frame-relay [7:24332]
do you have more than one frame-relay map statements on each of the spokes? do you have the "broadcast" switch turned on in your map statements? One more thing on frame relay in this kind of scenario. Very often, depending upon the exact topology and routing protocol used, you will find that you cannot use standard ping with any success. Ping by default uses the address of the outgoing interface as it's source address. If you were to set up rudimentary routing, and use, say, a loopback as your source address ( using the extended ping feature ) you would find that your pings are successful. IIRC, the issue is common when using the physical interface on all routers, or when using a multipoint at the hub and p2p on the spokes. HTH Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kenneth Yeung Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Frame-relay [7:24332] Based on the frame-relay (Chapter 4 2nd Edition)in Caslow's book: S1 - HQ -S2 172.16.1.1 172.16.1.2 172.16.1.3 With home lab testing as the above setting, I can ping from HQ to S1 and S2. I cannot ping from S1 and S2 even though I have put in the frame-relay map ip x.x.x.x local DLCI in both S1 and S2. I still got the same debug message "encapsulation fail". Any advice?! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24348&t=24332 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Working with a consulting company [7:24224]
Depends Depends Depends June Allyson ( Grin ) You could be working for a large provider providing scribbled out diagrams on a legal pad trying to meet sales goals. You could be working in a large corp doing long term design management BW allocations etc..meetings meetings and more meetings to decide on meeetings You could be in a small corp doing last mile stuff There is really no hard and fast answer.. As a rule of thumb the smaller the company whether it be consulting or staff the scale is smaller but the path is broader.. IE. Nothing bigger than 36xx and 6xxx The larger company the scale is bigger but the path is more narrow.. Nothing less than ATM and huge switches. Best way is to grill the corp and ask to talk to some of the other engineers.. When I did consulting for reseller , it was a little of everything and on the bigger jobs I did rack and stack and got the boxes to talk to each other then the big guns came in and did all the REAL work (sigh). thats why I do training.. I do it all now LOL Oz David John wrote: > > Hi Group, > > I have a MCSE, CCDA and CCNP and will finish my CCDP within a > month. I am > considering working for a consulting company and I would like > some one to > tell me a little about the daily life of an engineer working > with a > consulting company. What should I expect to be doing on a daily > basis? do I > have to go to customer sites often? do I have to travel a lot? > Will I have a > lab available for testing and practice? > > Will I get more experience working with customer or with a > consulting > company? > > Thanks > > David John > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24347&t=24224 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
OK, let me clarify. When I said 'in the ballpark' I was referring only to the supply side of the equation. What I wanted to say was this: the ratio of CCIE's to JNCIE's is about 330:1. That is indisputable. Now I anticipated that some people would argue that I was only looking at the xxIE market, and what about people who weren't quite that good. The problem is the there really is no lesser Juniper cert, so it is difficult to determine just how many beginner or intermediate-level Juniper people there are. So I hypothesized that the ratio of Cisco-trained people (who were not CCIE's) to Juniper people (who were not JNCIE's) would not be that far away from 330:1. Of course, I don't know what the exact number is, but I can't believe it's going to be so different from the CCIE to JNCIE number. It's certainly not going to be 1:1, for example. And, no, I do not like the dice/monster comparison, because I don't think it provides a good analysis of the demand curve (college econ majors, are you listening?). I would rather look at revenue earned by each company, because I think it represents a more true estimate of the true demand curve. People might say that Juniper really doesn't sell that much, and there really aren't that many buyers of Juniper gear, etc. etc. but on the other hand, according to the latest financial figures, Juniper sold $1billion of gear in the last 12 months, so obviously somebody must like their stuff (for comparison, Cisco sold about $22 billion in the same time frame). I am not sure about something you asked. Are you asking where to find my previous post that I had referred to? It is post 7:3485, on 10/1/01, 10:58PM on this mailing list, entitled RE:Is the CCIE really worth it. I see it right here on my mail client. If you can't access it, maybe I'll just try to forward it to you somehow (email, probably). Funny, on that thread, I didn't even really want to talk about Juniper and the JNCIE, I just mentioned it lightly as an example to prove some other point I was trying to make, and that caused a firestorm of protests. Just like right now. ""Carroll Kong"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I tried searching the group study archives. We are in the CCIE > Lab one, right? Or the CCIE Professional list? Well I tried both to no > avail. > Your logic makes sense given those conditions. However, we are > all making hypotheses based on results from dice.com and others. Some > companies are willing to hire a ccie consultant to do work that a ccna or > ccnp can do. Juniper has far less equipment that most companies have. I > thought Juniper only has the core. Cisco has the core, distribution, and > access points. They also touch on other markets as well. You are > hypothesizing the ratio is around the ball park, but from what I have seen, > there does not seem to be many Juniper projects about. This might lead to > a conclusion that the sample is too small for us to draw statistical > information from it. I am sure if you could sneak in one as a JNCIE, you > could make boatloads of cash. > I know you agree there are more Cisco jobs, but I disagree there > is a disproportionate amount of competition for these jobs. People cry for > CCIEs day in and day out for some jobs, and are somehow "shocked" that they > are not out sleeping in the magic CCIE dispenser ready for you put in a > quarter to get your CCIE. Some are even ludicrous enough to put insulting > offers and rates and are somehow surprised that they get no responses or > they get underqualified people applying. They want them, can't easily find > them. 6500 or so in the whole world, come on, that is certainly not a lot. > Anyway, this is like guessing the stock market because we are > making educated guesses on conditions which are difficult to guage and it > is difficult to predict the future trends. Many people thought a simple > formula like "well, their market cap is less than their book value so they > are a must buy", ended up getting burned because even though their logic > seems to hold, the masses do not go for it and it is not as appealing as it > seems. In this case, it is the "get the JNCIE because there is no one out > there with it". Well, you might get burned if the masses decide they do > not want Juniper in the core and would like to deal with less vendors with > more of an end to end solution or even more other possibilities we did not > even fathom. The way I look at it, you could argue the JNCIE is a "high > risk, growth stock". Sure, but because of that very reason, (I am > conservative), you might want to play it safe with a good long term > buy. Cisco gear is not going to breakdown after a few years of > sunlight. :) However, if you are right, yes, the JNCIE will be far more > profitable for those who get in first. Depends on your goals. > In a way, I guess we agree with each other on some points, but I
Re: Cisco Practical study 1 day lab book [7:24318]
In a message dated 10/26/01 10:22:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Received: from rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (rly-xc02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.135]) by air-xc05.mail.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINXC55-1026232253; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:22:53 -0400 Received: from groupstudy.com (www.groupstudy.com [63.104.50.75]) by rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC22-1026232231; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:22:31 2000 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18168; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:17:47 -0400 Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:01:56 -0400 Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15692 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:01:54 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15684 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:01:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:01:52 -0400 Message-Id: From: "lab ccie" X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a X-GroupStudy: Network Technical To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco Practical study 1 day lab book [7:24318] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "lab ccie" Precedence: bulk Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24337&t=24318 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank On the informationRE: OT- maybe... [7:24121]
Hai, Thanks for the WUG, I have download and now testing it. It is a good tool for Small Medium Company. Price is cheap to. Thanks again to every one that respond to my email. I'm sorry that I don't remeber all but thanks again. :) -Original Message- From: Nuurul Basar Mohd Baki To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/27/01 1:30 AM Subject: RE: OT- maybe... [7:24121] Hai, Can you give me the url for this WUG product. Thanks Nuurul Basar -Original Message- From: Ouellette, Tim To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/26/01 8:28 AM Subject: RE: OT- maybe... [7:24121] What's Up Gold (WUG) isn't that bad and it's much cheaper. It's just a pinging machine to see if "stuff" is still up. I'm not sure if you meant CW or maybe Netview or Openview. Did you want to find a tool that has a map and shows you when things go down as turning red and generating an alert of sorts? Or did you want to capture snmp traps for config changes? Tim > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: OT- maybe... [7:24121] > > Hi All, > > Besides Cisco Works, anyone know of any good Cisco monitoring apps? > I am looking to monitor my routers, VPN and switches. > > > Thanks, > > > Rich Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24328&t=24121 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
Hey now, I didn't create the categories, you did. I was just playing by your rules. Like I said, if I was a hiring manager looking for JNCIE's I wouldn't publicly post such a job at all - far better just to find out who they are (all 20 of them), get their phone numbers or email, and contact them each personally. I know that's how it's actually done in the Juniper world. It's not that hard to find out the identities of 20 people, after all, the carrier market is fairly tight-knit. The proof of the pudding is in the eating - believe me, JNCIE's are definitely not hurting for work, unlike some CCIE's I know (even highly experienced ones). But anyway, I used your categories, and I won 2 out of 3 (remember, only one of your categories used the word 'JNCIE', and I don't even really think that I lost that category, but fine I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say you won it). Or, I'll give you another example. When my hometown NFL club needs a new starting QB, do they announce try-outs open to the public? No of course not, because, despite my boyhead fantasies of winning the Superbowl, at any given moment, there are at (very) most a handful of available people in the world who can legitimately be a starting NFL quarterback, and every head coach, general manager, or scout pretty much knows who they are and where to find them. There is little need to go hunting for prospective candidates when you already know who the candidates are. This is what happens when the candidate pool is that small. Companies will only publicly post jobs when the pool is large and they cannot easily call every available candidate (I think you would agree that calling 6600 people is definitely a bigger pain than calling 20). But if you were to use your Monster or Dice analogy, then I could probably put in "NFL QB" into Dice or Monster and get no responses. Should I then conclude that Cisco guys make more money than pro football quarterbacks do? Of course not. I'm fairly certain that Brett Favre and Kurt Warner are pretty rich men. Now, don't twist my words around. I did not say that having a JNCIE is like equivalent to playing pro football. What I'm saying is this. Many people believe that demand is the only part of the equation that needs to be looked at. This is untrue. You need to look at both supply and demand. It's Econ 101. Simply saying that demand is higher for a given good does not tell you what the equilibrium price of that good is going to be. Rather, it's the confluence of supply and demand that determines price. High demand may not equal high price if supply is also high. In fact, if supply is too high, then price might be zero. The price of air to breathe, for example, is zero, even though demand for it is huge (if you can't breathe, you die), because supply is near-infinite. On the other hand, low demand for something does not mean that the price will be low, if supply is also low. This is why gold, platinum, and diamonds are expensive. Honestly, how many people really need jewels (as compared to the fact that everybody needs air to breathe)? So the demand is low, but on the other hand, these jewels are rare (low supply). That's why you pay thousands for a diamond and you pay nothing for the air you breathe, even though you must agree that you're not going to die if you don't have a diamond. Therefore, what I'm saying is that while the demand for Juniper skills is definitely lower than the demand for Cisco (for to argue otherwise would be foolish), on the other hand, the supply of Juniper skills relative to Cisco skills is so low that the disparity in demand is far outweighed. Econometric theory dictates that supply-demand curves is the only correct way to really evaluate the worth of anything, and that is the crux of my argument. I believe I have shown strong evidence that it is indeed the case that relative demand for Juniper is higher than relative supply - I have presented the demand curves for Juniper skills vs. Cisco skills in a number of ways (revenue over 1 year, existing revenue base of equipment, etc.), and I have shown the supply curves, and I believe my case is solid. If somebody wants to show me other evidence that this is not true - i.e. you can present to me different supply and demand curves, then I am all ears. I'm a reasonable man, if you want to argue with me on the facts, that's cool. But let's stick to the facts, and not engage in some petty emotional argument. No ad-hominem personal attacks, because they don't prove anything (and just serve to tick me off). Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24345&t=24336 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
I tried searching the group study archives. We are in the CCIE Lab one, right? Or the CCIE Professional list? Well I tried both to no avail. Your logic makes sense given those conditions. However, we are all making hypotheses based on results from dice.com and others. Some companies are willing to hire a ccie consultant to do work that a ccna or ccnp can do. Juniper has far less equipment that most companies have. I thought Juniper only has the core. Cisco has the core, distribution, and access points. They also touch on other markets as well. You are hypothesizing the ratio is around the ball park, but from what I have seen, there does not seem to be many Juniper projects about. This might lead to a conclusion that the sample is too small for us to draw statistical information from it. I am sure if you could sneak in one as a JNCIE, you could make boatloads of cash. I know you agree there are more Cisco jobs, but I disagree there is a disproportionate amount of competition for these jobs. People cry for CCIEs day in and day out for some jobs, and are somehow "shocked" that they are not out sleeping in the magic CCIE dispenser ready for you put in a quarter to get your CCIE. Some are even ludicrous enough to put insulting offers and rates and are somehow surprised that they get no responses or they get underqualified people applying. They want them, can't easily find them. 6500 or so in the whole world, come on, that is certainly not a lot. Anyway, this is like guessing the stock market because we are making educated guesses on conditions which are difficult to guage and it is difficult to predict the future trends. Many people thought a simple formula like "well, their market cap is less than their book value so they are a must buy", ended up getting burned because even though their logic seems to hold, the masses do not go for it and it is not as appealing as it seems. In this case, it is the "get the JNCIE because there is no one out there with it". Well, you might get burned if the masses decide they do not want Juniper in the core and would like to deal with less vendors with more of an end to end solution or even more other possibilities we did not even fathom. The way I look at it, you could argue the JNCIE is a "high risk, growth stock". Sure, but because of that very reason, (I am conservative), you might want to play it safe with a good long term buy. Cisco gear is not going to breakdown after a few years of sunlight. :) However, if you are right, yes, the JNCIE will be far more profitable for those who get in first. Depends on your goals. In a way, I guess we agree with each other on some points, but I do not think there is a disproportionate amount of competition. So finally, yes, JNCIE will get paid more. You can also get paid $65/hour for some entry level COBOL jobs. You do not see everyone jumping into COBOL. (ok they did for y2k, but ignore that. :) ) Getting a job that requires Juniper experience seems pretty hard to get. You are assuming people even want Juniper core gear as much as they want Cisco core gear. Since it is basically a niche market, you are talking bigger bucks for less skill and less jobs, yes. However, with Cisco skills it is undoubtely easier to land jobs that will pay a decent amount. Ultimately, if you were into the CCIE for the exclusive holy high paying secret rare to be found and used kind of job, yes, JNCIE seems to be the logical extension as the CCIE is slowly losing some of that flair. The way I look at it, a cert is a cert. A CCIE cert will certainly give you credibility as long as you do not have 30,000 within 2 years. :) If that is what one is looking for, with an elevated above average pay check, stick with the CCIE. You want to be the kid on the block with the biggest paycheck, go for the JNCIE. At 10:47 AM 10/27/01 -0400, nrf wrote: >Now, you might say that the xxIE market is not representative of the entire >market for skills, and you need to look at everybody who has Cisco/Juniper >skills (not just xxIE people). Unfortunately Juniper doesn't really have a >lesser cert like the CCNA/CCNP (the JNCIS is a bit higher than that), but I >can't imagine that if you counted the number of people with moderate-level >Cisco skill (i.e. CCxP), and the people with moderate Juniper skills (like a >JNCNP, if such a thing existed), then I can't believe that it would be very >much different than the CCIE vs. JNCIE numbers. So I believe the 330:1 >ratio is pretty much around the ballpark. > > So what does that tell you? Sure, there are more Cisco jobs. I have >never disputed such a thing. But on the other hand, there is also a >disproportionate amount of competition for those jobs (too much supply) , >that far outweighs the demand. According to the numbers you brought out, >there would be 10 times more people competing with you f
Re: Frame-relay [7:24332]
what type of encapsulation you used CISCO , IETF? both routers should be using same encapsulation also try using frame-relay map ip DLCI no broadcast to map the layer 2 to layer 3 regards, suaveguru --- Kenneth Yeung wrote: > Based on the frame-relay (Chapter 4 2nd Edition)in > Caslow's book: > S1 - HQ -S2 > 172.16.1.1 172.16.1.2 172.16.1.3 > > With home lab testing as the above setting, > I can ping from HQ to S1 and S2. > I cannot ping from S1 and S2 even though I have put > in the frame-relay map > ip x.x.x.x local DLCI in both S1 and S2. > I still got the same debug message "encapsulation > fail". > > Any advice?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24343&t=24332 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
This is getting absurd. There arent any JNCIE (or JNCIS) jobs currently on Dice or Monster. Therefore, according to your calculations, Cisco would win every little category you have created! Even if there were >ONE< job on there, that would still not cut the mustard. Talk about having NO other options! You are seriously fooling yourself to think the Juniper certification is currently more valuable than the Cisco certification. Do you have a CCIE? (If so, sign your name and number!) Do you have a JNCIE? If you had a JNCIE and could tell me recruiters were calling and offering you jobs 24x7, I would change my thinking and this statement. Saying a Juniper cert is more valuable than a Cisco cert as relates to corporate America and finding a job is completey untrue. Even if you had a Juniper cert, look at your job options out there? lol...there arent any according to a couple of the largest technical online job searches! For right now, and at least for the next 6-12 months, the CCIE is a much more valuable asset than the Juniper cert (generally speaking). We have both made our cases, if you feel necessary to respond, please do so offline at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no need to waste further bandwidth with this discussion. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24342&t=24336 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
This is getting absurd. There arent any JNCIE (or JNCIS) jobs currently on Dice or Monster. Therefore, according to your calculations, Cisco would win every little category you have created! Even if there were >ONE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I would rehash what I said before, but I don't really want to type all my > arguments all over again. > > I suggest you read my post (7:3485) on 10/01/01, topic RE:Is the CCIE really > worth it, including all the replies to me, and (especially) all my > counter-replies. > > But I'll put it to you this way. If there are only about 20 JNCIE's in the > world, would you publicly post a job that requires it? No, probably not. I > know I wouldn't. Why not? Because doing so is a waste a time, it's > probably a lot easier just for you to call each JNCIE personally (small > numbers let you do such a thing). It would only be 20 phone calls, might > not even take you half a day. > > But anyway, let's consider your numbers: You said you searched on Dice, got > 857 hits for Cisco, 24 for Juniper. OK, so that means there are 35 times > more jobs for Cisco people than Juniper people. But consider this. There > are 6650 CCIE's today, vs. 20 JNCIE's, for a ratio of about 330:1 (but > according to Dice, the ratio should only be 35:1, the actual number is > almost 10 times as high). So the Dice ratio is blown. Your searches on > Monster revealed no JNCIE, fine. But only 96 CCIE hits. All it would take > is for JNCIE to show up once, and that ratio is blown too (but > unfortunately, you can't divide by zero). Then your search for the keywords > revealed 59 Juniper hits, and over 1000 Cisco hits. But according to the > ratio above, there would have to be almost 19500 Cisco hits to make the > numbers match up (59*330=19450). So that ratio is blown. Basically, using > your numbers, but adjusted for supply, Juniper just won 2 out of 3 rounds > without breaking a sweat (Dice, and Monster using 'Juniper' and 'Cisco' > keywords), and the other round (Monster with 'JNCIE' and 'CCIE' keywords) I > consider to be inconclusive. But OK, even if I give Cisco the benefit of > the doubt, Juniper has still won 2 out of 3. > > Now, you might say that the xxIE market is not representative of the entire > market for skills, and you need to look at everybody who has Cisco/Juniper > skills (not just xxIE people). Unfortunately Juniper doesn't really have a > lesser cert like the CCNA/CCNP (the JNCIS is a bit higher than that), but I > can't imagine that if you counted the number of people with moderate-level > Cisco skill (i.e. CCxP), and the people with moderate Juniper skills (like a > JNCNP, if such a thing existed), then I can't believe that it would be very > much different than the CCIE vs. JNCIE numbers. So I believe the 330:1 > ratio is pretty much around the ballpark. > > So what does that tell you? Sure, there are more Cisco jobs. I have > never disputed such a thing. But on the other hand, there is also a > disproportionate amount of competition for those jobs (too much supply) , > that far outweighs the demand. According to the numbers you brought out, > there would be 10 times more people competing with you for a Cisco job than > there would be for a Juniper job. I also must take issue with your > contention that the CCIE is more valuable in this economy, because the > salary numbers don't like either. I don't want to sound crass and venal, > but JNCIE's on average get paid more (sometimes significantly more) than a > CCIE. For those who will say that it's not certs that count, it's > experience, OK fine - then let me revise that above sentence to say that > somebody with a certain amount of skill and experience in Juniper can most > likely expect to earn more than somebody else with an equivalent amount of > skill and experience in Cisco. For those who still don't believe me, I say > "Do the math yourself". It's really as simple as that. > > > You just made a common error - you've only looked at the demand side of the > equation, which is misleading. Economics dictates that to measure the value > of anything, you need to be looking at both the supply and the demand. This > is why being a doctor pays better than manning a cash register, even though > the demand for cashiers is higher (how many times do you get sick vs. how > many times do you buy something in a store?) > > > Hey, Brad, I know how you feel, and I sympathize. I know what you're going > through, because I've been there too. Just maybe 6 months ago, when I > first started really hearing about how the Juniper might have a better > router, and how the JNCIE program might be a better indicator of guru > status, I didn't want to believe it either.I have to admit, I was in a > state of denial too. But the more I checked out the facts, the more > incontrovertible they looked. I have twisted this subject around in my head > many times over and over, and,
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
I would rehash what I said before, but I don't really want to type all my arguments all over again. I suggest you read my post (7:3485) on 10/01/01, topic RE:Is the CCIE really worth it, including all the replies to me, and (especially) all my counter-replies. But I'll put it to you this way. If there are only about 20 JNCIE's in the world, would you publicly post a job that requires it? No, probably not. I know I wouldn't. Why not? Because doing so is a waste a time, it's probably a lot easier just for you to call each JNCIE personally (small numbers let you do such a thing). It would only be 20 phone calls, might not even take you half a day. But anyway, let's consider your numbers: You said you searched on Dice, got 857 hits for Cisco, 24 for Juniper. OK, so that means there are 35 times more jobs for Cisco people than Juniper people. But consider this. There are 6650 CCIE's today, vs. 20 JNCIE's, for a ratio of about 330:1 (but according to Dice, the ratio should only be 35:1, the actual number is almost 10 times as high). So the Dice ratio is blown. Your searches on Monster revealed no JNCIE, fine. But only 96 CCIE hits. All it would take is for JNCIE to show up once, and that ratio is blown too (but unfortunately, you can't divide by zero). Then your search for the keywords revealed 59 Juniper hits, and over 1000 Cisco hits. But according to the ratio above, there would have to be almost 19500 Cisco hits to make the numbers match up (59*330=19450). So that ratio is blown. Basically, using your numbers, but adjusted for supply, Juniper just won 2 out of 3 rounds without breaking a sweat (Dice, and Monster using 'Juniper' and 'Cisco' keywords), and the other round (Monster with 'JNCIE' and 'CCIE' keywords) I consider to be inconclusive. But OK, even if I give Cisco the benefit of the doubt, Juniper has still won 2 out of 3. Now, you might say that the xxIE market is not representative of the entire market for skills, and you need to look at everybody who has Cisco/Juniper skills (not just xxIE people). Unfortunately Juniper doesn't really have a lesser cert like the CCNA/CCNP (the JNCIS is a bit higher than that), but I can't imagine that if you counted the number of people with moderate-level Cisco skill (i.e. CCxP), and the people with moderate Juniper skills (like a JNCNP, if such a thing existed), then I can't believe that it would be very much different than the CCIE vs. JNCIE numbers. So I believe the 330:1 ratio is pretty much around the ballpark. So what does that tell you? Sure, there are more Cisco jobs. I have never disputed such a thing. But on the other hand, there is also a disproportionate amount of competition for those jobs (too much supply) , that far outweighs the demand. According to the numbers you brought out, there would be 10 times more people competing with you for a Cisco job than there would be for a Juniper job. I also must take issue with your contention that the CCIE is more valuable in this economy, because the salary numbers don't like either. I don't want to sound crass and venal, but JNCIE's on average get paid more (sometimes significantly more) than a CCIE. For those who will say that it's not certs that count, it's experience, OK fine - then let me revise that above sentence to say that somebody with a certain amount of skill and experience in Juniper can most likely expect to earn more than somebody else with an equivalent amount of skill and experience in Cisco. For those who still don't believe me, I say "Do the math yourself". It's really as simple as that. You just made a common error - you've only looked at the demand side of the equation, which is misleading. Economics dictates that to measure the value of anything, you need to be looking at both the supply and the demand. This is why being a doctor pays better than manning a cash register, even though the demand for cashiers is higher (how many times do you get sick vs. how many times do you buy something in a store?) Hey, Brad, I know how you feel, and I sympathize. I know what you're going through, because I've been there too. Just maybe 6 months ago, when I first started really hearing about how the Juniper might have a better router, and how the JNCIE program might be a better indicator of guru status, I didn't want to believe it either.I have to admit, I was in a state of denial too. But the more I checked out the facts, the more incontrovertible they looked. I have twisted this subject around in my head many times over and over, and, believe me, I wanted to come up with a reasonable scenario where Cisco wins out. But you can only fight it for so long. ""Brad Ellis"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Quick analysis: > > Do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) with CCIE as the keyword. How > many hits? 96 as of 10/27/01 9:51EST. > Now lets do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) for JNCIE (or JNCIS
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
Oh one more thing - without violating NDA, let me just say that the Security lab is far more than just the R/S with a Pix thrown in there. ""Brad Ellis"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Quick analysis: > > Do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) with CCIE as the keyword. How > many hits? 96 as of 10/27/01 9:51EST. > Now lets do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) for JNCIE (or JNCIS) > as the keyword. How many hits? ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! > > Okay, now lets do a search with Juniper as the keyword. How many hits? 59 > Hits using Cisco as the keyword, more than 1000! (it wouldnt give me the > total amount, just said more than 1000). > > Now, onto dice.com. Search on CCIE, 74 hits. Search with JNCIE (or JNCIS) > ZERO. Search on Cisco, 857 hits. Search on Juniper, 24 hits. > > Moral of the story for people reading this thread: DONT LET A FEW BAD > APPLES SCARE YOU OFF. The CCIE is still MUCH MORE valuable than the Juniper > certification in today's economy. Could this change in the next few years? > Yes. Will it change? Who knows. But for the time being (as far as getting > a job is concerned), I'd recommend getting a CCIE over a Juniper cert every > day of the week and twice on Sunday! > > Network Learning deals with employers and CCIE candidates on a daily basis. > Currently, from our conversations with these people, corporate America is > not distinguishing between the different CCIE tracks; ie, if someone is > looking for a CCIE, at least 19 times out of 20, they dont care if it's an > R&S CCIE vs. a Security CCIE, etc.The R&S and Security tracks are still > too closely related to where it would really make a big difference. It > looks like the Security lab is just an R&S lab with a PIX thrown into the > mix (I havent taken the security lab yet, so I can't be a 100% certain, but > nor can I be breaking the NDA). Until that changes, I dont think there is a > huge advantage of getting the Security CCIE vs. the R&S CCIE as relates to > corporate America. However, I feel that this is one of the things that > COULD possibly change within the next 1-2 years (assuming there becomes more > distingushing factors between the two different tracks and corporate America > sees value in that). > > Dont have second thoughts about going after your CCIE. Put your whole heart > into and go "BALLS OUT!" It is a great stepping stone and accomplishment > for anyone in the networking industry. Don't let the misconceptions of a > few people discourage you. Good luck. > > thanks, > -Brad Ellis > CCIE#5796 > Network Learning Inc > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net > CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com > ""nrf"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Here's my thoughts > > > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And > yes, > > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of > experience, > > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an > SE. > > > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than > the > > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact > > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3 > > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last > year > > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this > > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I > had > > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the > R/S > > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that > > the R/S guy knows.But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10 > > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth > > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or > even > > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ... > > > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at > least > > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less satur
RE: no ip route-cache cef??? [7:24296]
According to Cisco, no ip route-cache cef actually turns cef switching off on that interface, if cef is enabled globally. If you are trying to enable cef then you shouldn't use this command on the interface. Try these links, below them is an example from a production router using cef per packet accross different interfaces with cef enabled globally: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios113ed/cs/csprtx/ csswcmd.htm http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/switc h_r/xrcef.htm interface Serial0/0 description ny-0030 ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252 ip nat outside ip load-sharing per-packet no ip mroute-cache service-module t1 timeslots 1-24 service-module t1 fdl both interface Serial0/1 description ny-0030 ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252 ip nat outside ip load-sharing per-packet no ip mroute-cache service-module t1 timeslots 1-24 service-module t1 fdl both -Original Message- From: Cisco Nuts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/26/2001 6:29 PM Subject: no ip route-cache cef??? [7:24296] Hello, When configuring cef for per packet for dual T-1 links to one isp, what do the commands, no ip route-cache cef actually do? Also, when I configure this command, it overwrites the no ip route-cache command on that particular interface so I have to first type the no ip route-cache cef command and then only the no ip route-cache command? Any ideas? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24338&t=24296 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? NO! NO! NO!!!! [7:24336]
Quick analysis: Do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) with CCIE as the keyword. How many hits? 96 as of 10/27/01 9:51EST. Now lets do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) for JNCIE (or JNCIS) as the keyword. How many hits? ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! Okay, now lets do a search with Juniper as the keyword. How many hits? 59 Hits using Cisco as the keyword, more than 1000! (it wouldnt give me the total amount, just said more than 1000). Now, onto dice.com. Search on CCIE, 74 hits. Search with JNCIE (or JNCIS) ZERO. Search on Cisco, 857 hits. Search on Juniper, 24 hits. Moral of the story for people reading this thread: DONT LET A FEW BAD APPLES SCARE YOU OFF. The CCIE is still MUCH MORE valuable than the Juniper certification in today's economy. Could this change in the next few years? Yes. Will it change? Who knows. But for the time being (as far as getting a job is concerned), I'd recommend getting a CCIE over a Juniper cert every day of the week and twice on Sunday! Network Learning deals with employers and CCIE candidates on a daily basis. Currently, from our conversations with these people, corporate America is not distinguishing between the different CCIE tracks; ie, if someone is looking for a CCIE, at least 19 times out of 20, they dont care if it's an R&S CCIE vs. a Security CCIE, etc.The R&S and Security tracks are still too closely related to where it would really make a big difference. It looks like the Security lab is just an R&S lab with a PIX thrown into the mix (I havent taken the security lab yet, so I can't be a 100% certain, but nor can I be breaking the NDA). Until that changes, I dont think there is a huge advantage of getting the Security CCIE vs. the R&S CCIE as relates to corporate America. However, I feel that this is one of the things that COULD possibly change within the next 1-2 years (assuming there becomes more distingushing factors between the two different tracks and corporate America sees value in that). Dont have second thoughts about going after your CCIE. Put your whole heart into and go "BALLS OUT!" It is a great stepping stone and accomplishment for anyone in the networking industry. Don't let the misconceptions of a few people discourage you. Good luck. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Here's my thoughts > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And yes, > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of experience, > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an SE. > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than the > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3 > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last year > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I had > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the R/S > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that > the R/S guy knows.But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10 > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or even > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ... > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at least > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than the > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. So > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller.You can check out > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it), > wher
Re: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297]
Excited about an economic downturn, eh? Reminds me of those kids in school who would remind the teacher that she didn't assign any homework. ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Great point Chuck, this current downturn is not near what we went though in > the late 70's early 80's or back in 90. Apply Chucks advice, build your > skills while this current market continues cause it will get better. > Personally Im excited about this, a lot of corp deadwood is being trimmed > and what survives will be much stronger. As for Juniper, nice idea but not > very possible without a ton of capital. Besides there are more important > things out there to worry about than certs right now. Keep a good outlook > and dig in, nothing lasts forever. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Chuck Larrieu > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this is > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't worry - > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a good > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or com > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe > same thing for juniper i guess > 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having second > though . > just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24335&t=24297 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Working for a consulting company [7:3676]
Okay, but here's the million-dollar question: which consulting companies are *hiring*?? ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > depending on the particulars, either one could be true. ;-> > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Priscilla Oppenheimer > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:56 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Working for a consulting company [7:3676] > > > At 02:24 PM 10/26/01, Bill Carter wrote: > >I liked the travel more than my wife. > > Does that mean that you liked the travel more than you liked your wife, or > that you liked the travel more than your wife liked the travel? ;-) > > Priscilla > > > I was flying home Friday afternoon > >and flying out Sunday afternoon. That was 4 years ago and I still haven't > >used the free Frequent Flyer ticket I earned. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:07 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: Working for a consulting company [7:3676] > > > > > >Seems like a pretty interesting job, that explains my bordom, here in the > >office, > >i wish i could find a consulting job with 80% travel. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:07 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: Working for a consulting company [7:3676] > > > > > >I have been in the networking business for 7 years and have worked at both > >consulting companies and in-house at businesses. I prefer consulting. I > >travel at most 1 every 3 months and usually 1 night/2day. I work for a > >Chicago based company, but I am in Springfield, IL, the State Capitol. I > >have been at the same customer for 3 years. When I need a break I call me > >boss and say "find me a project" and I go to Chicago for a couple of days. > >This works really well keeping me up to date on new technology. > > > >At a previous company, the boss walked in one day and said "You are going > on > >the road for a major bank. I was gone 3-4 weeks a month in some places > like > >South Dakota, Nebraska, Montana. This project lasted 4 months, when it was > >over we were laid off. > > > >I still prefer consulting, because I get more exposure to new technology. > >When I worked for non-consulting companies, I tended to install things and > >then watch it run for 6 months. I got real bored. > > > >When interviewing with consulting companies find out what they expect for > >travel. Somewhere like Chicago you could work 100% of the time in the > >greater Chicago area. Other times you will be flying around the company. > >What do you want? What do they expect?? > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >David John > >Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:17 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Working for a consulting company [3:3676] > > > > > >Hi Group, > > > >I have a MCSE, CCDA and CCNP and will finish my CCDP within a month. I am > >considering working for a consulting company and I would like some one to > >tell me a little about the daily life of an engineer working with a > >consulting company. What should I expect to be doing on a daily basis? do I > >have to go to customer sites often? do I have to travel a lot? Will I have > a > >lab available for testing and practice? > > > >Will I get more experience working with customer or with a consulting > >company? > > > >Thanks > > > >David John > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24334&t=3676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Study Group in Muscat.. [7:24333]
Hi.
Anyone in Muscat.. .. We could group ourselves for Mission CCIE :-))
Anyone interested kindly contact me offline...on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
murali
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Frame-relay [7:24332]
Based on the frame-relay (Chapter 4 2nd Edition)in Caslow's book: S1 - HQ -S2 172.16.1.1 172.16.1.2 172.16.1.3 With home lab testing as the above setting, I can ping from HQ to S1 and S2. I cannot ping from S1 and S2 even though I have put in the frame-relay map ip x.x.x.x local DLCI in both S1 and S2. I still got the same debug message "encapsulation fail". Any advice?! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24332&t=24332 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297]
Great point Chuck, this current downturn is not near what we went though in the late 70's early 80's or back in 90. Apply Chucks advice, build your skills while this current market continues cause it will get better. Personally Im excited about this, a lot of corp deadwood is being trimmed and what survives will be much stronger. As for Juniper, nice idea but not very possible without a ton of capital. Besides there are more important things out there to worry about than certs right now. Keep a good outlook and dig in, nothing lasts forever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this is a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't worry - skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a good attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or com when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe same thing for juniper i guess 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having second though . just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24331&t=24297 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
I don't like discouraging anybody or making anybody feel bad. But on the other hand, I would be doing everybody here a disservice if I didn't report honestly on what's really going on. I believe it is better for everybody to find out what the state of the program is now than to discover things the hard way later. ""Muralidhar A."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > This no Good for the spirits of those who r preparing for CCIE Like me :-((( > > Well trust What ever happens Happens for Good. > > Murali > > -Original Message- > From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > Here's my thoughts > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And yes, > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of experience, > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an SE. > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than the > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3 > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last year > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I had > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the R/S > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that > the R/S guy knows.But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10 > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or even > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ... > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at least > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than the > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. So > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller.You can check out > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it), > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, > > this > is > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't > > worry - skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a > > lot of structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills > > up. Keep a > good > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in > > networking even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? the > > 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or > > com when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe same thing for > > juniper i guess 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but > > now i'm having second though . > > just my 2 cent > STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY > The information contained in this communication is Confidential and is > intended only for the exclusive use of the Recipient named above, and may > contain confidential or privileged Information. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient ,please notify Freddie Samuel > immediately either at +968- 684152 Extn 398 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy
RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
This no Good for the spirits of those who r preparing for CCIE Like me :-(((
Well trust What ever happens Happens for Good.
Murali
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Subject: Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
Here's my thoughts
* Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And yes,
I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble
finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of
experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of experience,
and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an SE.
* My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than the
older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact
that the wait list will be shorter (eventually).
* I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3
active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also
used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I
know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last year
or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design,
SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks.
* You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this
sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I had
to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S.
Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the R/S
material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that
the R/S guy knows.But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my
typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10
minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I
don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth
it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or even
if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much
more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ...
* Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at least
not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than the
Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of
which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. So
despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a
very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller.You can check out
my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it),
where I discuss this subject at length.
""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message
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> for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah,
> this
is
> a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't
> worry - skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a
> lot of structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills
> up. Keep a
good
> attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
>
>
> some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in
> networking even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? the
> 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and
> cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or
> com when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe same thing for
> juniper i guess 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but
> now i'm having second though .
> just my 2 cent
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