pix: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62737]
Greetings, [jens@workstation jens]$ ssh @@@ @WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA1 host key has just been changed. The fingerprint for the RSA1 key sent by the remote host is ba:07:12:e4:ed:21:7f:d3:45:07:6b:37:fc:36:0a:04. Please contact your system administrator. Add correct host key in /home/jens/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /home/jens/.ssh/known_hosts:2 RSA1 host key for cf17.jhb.nha.co.za has changed and you have requested strict checking. Host key verification failed. I am not sure under what conditions the ssh key for a PIX 515 would change - I have confirmed that it is not a DNS problem and confirmed that there are no private machines in between the workstation and the PIX firewall. I do know that we hade maintenance work done on the power in the computer room over the weekend = a reboot of the PIX - but why would that cause a change to its identification? Any clues/pointers? Thanks Regards Jens Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62737t=62737 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743]
This means that someone changed the rsa key on the PIX and that is only became active after the reboot. Verify with your guys that they changed nothing - otherwise it could be a sort of attack -Original Message- From: Jens von B|low [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 12:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pix: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62737] Greetings, [jens@workstation jens]$ ssh @@@ @WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA1 host key has just been changed. The fingerprint for the RSA1 key sent by the remote host is ba:07:12:e4:ed:21:7f:d3:45:07:6b:37:fc:36:0a:04. Please contact your system administrator. Add correct host key in /home/jens/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /home/jens/.ssh/known_hosts:2 RSA1 host key for cf17.jhb.nha.co.za has changed and you have requested strict checking. Host key verification failed. I am not sure under what conditions the ssh key for a PIX 515 would change - I have confirmed that it is not a DNS problem and confirmed that there are no private machines in between the workstation and the PIX firewall. I do know that we hade maintenance work done on the power in the computer room over the weekend = a reboot of the PIX - but why would that cause a change to its identification? Any clues/pointers? Thanks Regards Jens Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62743t=62743 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62745]
That is what I suspect or perhaps an overzealous engineer. Does one specify the RSA key for SSH (is it the same as the one for the IPSEC stuff) How would one change such a thing? I don't remember having to ever create one during the initial installation? PS: I rebooted the box and noticed that the key once again changed - could this problem be as a result of a corrupt flash card? -Original Message- From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 01:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743] This means that someone changed the rsa key on the PIX and that is only became active after the reboot. Verify with your guys that they changed nothing - otherwise it could be a sort of attack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62745t=62745 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62747]
The RSA key pair is generated when you want to enable SSH access to the unit Command for this is ca generate rsa key . You need to have configured the hostname and domain name before using this command. remember to do the ca save all afterwards. Try that and see if the key changes again after a reload. As far as I remember (rather rusty here), the RSA key pair is saved to some other memory on the PIX (anyone correct me if I am wrong) As for your IPSec question - are you using certificates or preshared keys. If you are using certificates, then I think it is the same key - depends on how you set it up originally (There are 2 key type - general and special) if you never specified this, then a general key is created. let us know how it goes Andrew -Original Message- From: Jens von B|low [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 14:06 To: Andrew Larkins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743] That is what I suspect or perhaps an overzealous engineer. Does one specify the RSA key for SSH (is it the same as the one for the IPSEC stuff) How would one change such a thing? I don't remember having to ever create one during the initial installation? PS: I rebooted the box and noticed that the key once again changed - could this problem be as a result of a corrupt flash card? -Original Message- From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 01:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743] This means that someone changed the rsa key on the PIX and that is only became active after the reboot. Verify with your guys that they changed nothing - otherwise it could be a sort of attack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62747t=62747 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62749]
Andrew, Of interest is that the RSA key was generated sometime after my reboot of the router. It looks like PDM (because this was the only way I could access the device) created a new key for me or at some point... Not sure when... Anyway, I ca zeroize rsa, ca generate rsa key and ca save alled my ca stuff. It now behaves as expected through a reboot. One question though? How do I trust my PIX again? (FWIW - We archive the configs of the PIX on a regular basis and the config hasn't changed) Anybody else ever seen their ca configs break during a power cycle? Regards Jens -Original Message- From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 02:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62747] The RSA key pair is generated when you want to enable SSH access to the unit Command for this is ca generate rsa key . You need to have configured the hostname and domain name before using this command. remember to do the ca save all afterwards. Try that and see if the key changes again after a reload. As far as I remember (rather rusty here), the RSA key pair is saved to some other memory on the PIX (anyone correct me if I am wrong) As for your IPSec question - are you using certificates or preshared keys. If you are using certificates, then I think it is the same key - depends on how you set it up originally (There are 2 key type - general and special) if you never specified this, then a general key is created. let us know how it goes Andrew -Original Message- From: Jens von B|low [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 14:06 To: Andrew Larkins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743] That is what I suspect or perhaps an overzealous engineer. Does one specify the RSA key for SSH (is it the same as the one for the IPSEC stuff) How would one change such a thing? I don't remember having to ever create one during the initial installation? PS: I rebooted the box and noticed that the key once again changed - could this problem be as a result of a corrupt flash card? -Original Message- From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 01:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743] This means that someone changed the rsa key on the PIX and that is only became active after the reboot. Verify with your guys that they changed nothing - otherwise it could be a sort of attack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62749t=62749 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62752]
My RSA keys never change during reload etc. Based on that I get the feeling that someone(engineer) changed something and told no-one. Just my 2 cents -Original Message- From: Jens von B|low [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62749] Andrew, Of interest is that the RSA key was generated sometime after my reboot of the router. It looks like PDM (because this was the only way I could access the device) created a new key for me or at some point... Not sure when... Anyway, I ca zeroize rsa, ca generate rsa key and ca save alled my ca stuff. It now behaves as expected through a reboot. One question though? How do I trust my PIX again? (FWIW - We archive the configs of the PIX on a regular basis and the config hasn't changed) Anybody else ever seen their ca configs break during a power cycle? Regards Jens -Original Message- From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 02:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62747] The RSA key pair is generated when you want to enable SSH access to the unit Command for this is ca generate rsa key . You need to have configured the hostname and domain name before using this command. remember to do the ca save all afterwards. Try that and see if the key changes again after a reload. As far as I remember (rather rusty here), the RSA key pair is saved to some other memory on the PIX (anyone correct me if I am wrong) As for your IPSec question - are you using certificates or preshared keys. If you are using certificates, then I think it is the same key - depends on how you set it up originally (There are 2 key type - general and special) if you never specified this, then a general key is created. let us know how it goes Andrew -Original Message- From: Jens von B|low [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 14:06 To: Andrew Larkins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743] That is what I suspect or perhaps an overzealous engineer. Does one specify the RSA key for SSH (is it the same as the one for the IPSEC stuff) How would one change such a thing? I don't remember having to ever create one during the initial installation? PS: I rebooted the box and noticed that the key once again changed - could this problem be as a result of a corrupt flash card? -Original Message- From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 February 2003 01:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ssh - warning: remote host identification has changed [7:62743] This means that someone changed the rsa key on the PIX and that is only became active after the reboot. Verify with your guys that they changed nothing - otherwise it could be a sort of attack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62752t=62752 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT OT Friday Funny Warning for Oct 28th [7:23523]
WARNING Don't go to the bathroom on October 28th! CIA intelligence reports that a major plot is planned for that day. Anyone who takes a poop on the 28th will be bitten on the ass by an alligator. Reports indicate that organized groups of alligators are planning to rise up into unsuspecting American's toilet bowls and bite them when they are doing their dirty business. I usually don't send emails like this, but I got this information from a reliable source: It came from a friend of a friend whose cousin is dating this girl whose brother knows this guy whose wife knows this lady whose husband buys hot-dogs from this guy who knows a shoeshine guy who shines the shoes of a mailroom worker who has a friend who's drug dealer sells drugs to another mailroom worker who works in the CIA building. He apparently overheard two guys talking in the bathroom about alligators and came to the conclusion that we are going to be attacked. So it must be true. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=23523t=23523 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: 12.2(5) on 2600 - Warning [7:23448]
I decided to remotely upgrade a 2620 up to 12.2(5) today and ran into a particularly nasty feature. It appears that it may have something to do with FRTS, but I'm not certain. With no circuit connected the router would boot just fine. If it boots with the frame relay T1 connected, it will get a SegV Exception and continuously reboot. So, as usual, use the new releases at your own risk, but be particularly wary of this release. By the way, 12.2(3) running DLSw+, EIGRP, LLQ, FRTS, and SDLC seems to work quite well so far. One of those features seems to be quite broken in 12.2(5). Regards, John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=23448t=23448 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 12.2(5) on 2600 - Warning [7:23448]
I just hope that this doesn't affect the 3600 and 2500 series router. I just upgraded a 2509 and 3620 with this 12.2(5) version. John Neiberger wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I decided to remotely upgrade a 2620 up to 12.2(5) today and ran into a particularly nasty feature. It appears that it may have something to do with FRTS, but I'm not certain. With no circuit connected the router would boot just fine. If it boots with the frame relay T1 connected, it will get a SegV Exception and continuously reboot. So, as usual, use the new releases at your own risk, but be particularly wary of this release. By the way, 12.2(3) running DLSw+, EIGRP, LLQ, FRTS, and SDLC seems to work quite well so far. One of those features seems to be quite broken in 12.2(5). Regards, John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=23462t=23448 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19188]
Tony, That is the best E-Mail I have personally ever read. I am printing it and adding it to my CCIE study board. Lou CCNP, CCDP, CATM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Medeiros Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 2:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19098] I have to agree with many, if not all the points raised by everybody. My humble take is that there are 4 types of knowledge a great, capable of hands on, design, etc. network engineer should have in the perfect world. CCIE or not. Bear in mind that I am talking about a network engineer that basically works with the equipment and maintains and designs networks. Other types of network engineers that design hardware, software, and protocols will come under a way different set of rules I would think. 1. Basic network and protocol knowledge: This should be how all layer 2, 3, 4 and many layer 7 protocols work including the management plane protocols, routing protocols, STP, etc. Not necessarily what all the frame/packet/segment structures look like and where and what each field in the PDU is and does. But enough PDU structure to know what the engineer is looking at and understand how they work. Although this is all excellent knowledge to have, I think it's improbable (at least for me) to know all the PDU structures in detail. The main thing is to know the behaviors (especially TCP) and how things can go right or wrong. Some layer 1 stuff is good to know too!! Like what does it mean when I have slips on my T1 interface or how a DS-3 works. Other things are cabling issues, what box does what, where do I use a certain box (bridge vs.router, etc.), design best practices, security issues and techniques. Also host behavior and configuration knowledge is invaluable. I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff, but that is what I see as important(in my limited experience) to know Most, if not all of number 1 can be learned by reading books, RFC's white papers, etc. Hands on experience will certainly help. 2. Platform specific configuration: It's great to know all the above stuff, but If I can't make it happen on whatever I am configuring be it Cisco, Foundry, Extreme, or whatever. I am of little use as a hands on engineer. It's nice to know how EIGRP installs a feasible successor, But if I can't get my routes to propagate correctly because I left out no auto summary, that knowledge doesn't serve me like it should. OT. Why Cisco doesn't remove ALL classfull behavior from that damn protocol is beyond me!! Again, I believe it's improbable to know how to configure everything on even one vender or platform. But, the engineer should know when to punt and ask for help. Or know how to access and find the information he/she requires. And I don't just mean calling TAC :) Even though the wonderful people at TAC have gotten my ass out of a ringer many times. The Items in Number 2 comes from some book knowledge. But hands on experience is key. The experience of producing a complex config and fighting to make it work is the best teacher I know of. Be it in a lab or live network. I never forgot the first time I got a DS-3 of ATM with about 15 pvcs to work. Or even the first time I brought up a simple frame link and pinged across and watched my routing table to grow !!! It was almost better than sex !!(don't tell my wife please !!) I know, I'm sick. :/ 3. Experience, PERIOD !! Many a time it has been when I fought to get something to work and couldn't. I checked the config against CCO, changed IOS's, changed modules, changed my underwear, etc. Ending calling up a more knowledgeable peer to have her tell me: Oh, it's BLA, BA BLA. Type in the undocumented BLA BA BLA and it will work. That is why having peers and is essential to survival in this business. Everybody of Group study is my peer whom I glean information and support. I am a firm believer in no man/women is an island' !! And NOBODY knows everything. 4. The ability, motivation, and tenacity to solve problems, learn, and do a good job. (self explanatory) I believe no attribute in itself is the most important, we need all of them. Sorry everybody for the long post. I'll refrain from posting for a while. Tony M. #6172 - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] Actually, it's likely the lawyer fresh out of lawschool will do a better job than the cratchety old lawyer that's had a few years to become jaded by the system or to get an over-inflated view of themselves. The new kid on the block has something to prove so he'll go that extra mile to do a superb job. Did I mention I used to head up an IT division at a major Canadian law firm? (-: My point is... experience doesn't always matter. Brilliance and the willingness to do a good job can
RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19191]
Tony, that was cool!! Keep posting plz!! --- Lou wrote: Tony, That is the best E-Mail I have personally ever read. I am printing it and adding it to my CCIE study board. Lou CCNP, CCDP, CATM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Medeiros Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 2:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19098] I have to agree with many, if not all the points raised by everybody. My humble take is that there are 4 types of knowledge a great, capable of hands on, design, etc. network engineer should have in the perfect world. CCIE or not. Bear in mind that I am talking about a network engineer that basically works with the equipment and maintains and designs networks. Other types of network engineers that design hardware, software, and protocols will come under a way different set of rules I would think. 1. Basic network and protocol knowledge: This should be how all layer 2, 3, 4 and many layer 7 protocols work including the management plane protocols, routing protocols, STP, etc. Not necessarily what all the frame/packet/segment structures look like and where and what each field in the PDU is and does. But enough PDU structure to know what the engineer is looking at and understand how they work. Although this is all excellent knowledge to have, I think it's improbable (at least for me) to know all the PDU structures in detail. The main thing is to know the behaviors (especially TCP) and how things can go right or wrong. Some layer 1 stuff is good to know too!! Like what does it mean when I have slips on my T1 interface or how a DS-3 works. Other things are cabling issues, what box does what, where do I use a certain box (bridge vs.router, etc.), design best practices, security issues and techniques. Also host behavior and configuration knowledge is invaluable. I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff, but that is what I see as important(in my limited experience) to know Most, if not all of number 1 can be learned by reading books, RFC's white papers, etc. Hands on experience will certainly help. 2. Platform specific configuration: It's great to know all the above stuff, but If I can't make it happen on whatever I am configuring be it Cisco, Foundry, Extreme, or whatever. I am of little use as a hands on engineer. It's nice to know how EIGRP installs a feasible successor, But if I can't get my routes to propagate correctly because I left out no auto summary, that knowledge doesn't serve me like it should. OT. Why Cisco doesn't remove ALL classfull behavior from that damn protocol is beyond me!! Again, I believe it's improbable to know how to configure everything on even one vender or platform. But, the engineer should know when to punt and ask for help. Or know how to access and find the information he/she requires. And I don't just mean calling TAC :) Even though the wonderful people at TAC have gotten my ass out of a ringer many times. The Items in Number 2 comes from some book knowledge. But hands on experience is key. The experience of producing a complex config and fighting to make it work is the best teacher I know of. Be it in a lab or live network. I never forgot the first time I got a DS-3 of ATM with about 15 pvcs to work. Or even the first time I brought up a simple frame link and pinged across and watched my routing table to grow !!! It was almost better than sex !!(don't tell my wife please !!) I know, I'm sick. :/ 3. Experience, PERIOD !! Many a time it has been when I fought to get something to work and couldn't. I checked the config against CCO, changed IOS's, changed modules, changed my underwear, etc. Ending calling up a more knowledgeable peer to have her tell me: Oh, it's BLA, BA BLA. Type in the undocumented BLA BA BLA and it will work. That is why having peers and is essential to survival in this business. Everybody of Group study is my peer whom I glean information and support. I am a firm believer in no man/women is an island' !! And NOBODY knows everything. 4. The ability, motivation, and tenacity to solve problems, learn, and do a good job. (self explanatory) I believe no attribute in itself is the most important, we need all of them. Sorry everybody for the long post. I'll refrain from posting for a while. Tony M. #6172 - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] Actually, it's likely the lawyer fresh out of lawschool will do a better job than the cratchety old lawyer that's had a few years to become jaded by the system or to get an over-inflated view of themselves. The new kid on the block has something to prove so he'll go that extra
Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19098]
I have to agree with many, if not all the points raised by everybody. My humble take is that there are 4 types of knowledge a great, capable of hands on, design, etc. network engineer should have in the perfect world. CCIE or not. Bear in mind that I am talking about a network engineer that basically works with the equipment and maintains and designs networks. Other types of network engineers that design hardware, software, and protocols will come under a way different set of rules I would think. 1. Basic network and protocol knowledge: This should be how all layer 2, 3, 4 and many layer 7 protocols work including the management plane protocols, routing protocols, STP, etc. Not necessarily what all the frame/packet/segment structures look like and where and what each field in the PDU is and does. But enough PDU structure to know what the engineer is looking at and understand how they work. Although this is all excellent knowledge to have, I think it's improbable (at least for me) to know all the PDU structures in detail. The main thing is to know the behaviors (especially TCP) and how things can go right or wrong. Some layer 1 stuff is good to know too!! Like what does it mean when I have slips on my T1 interface or how a DS-3 works. Other things are cabling issues, what box does what, where do I use a certain box (bridge vs.router, etc.), design best practices, security issues and techniques. Also host behavior and configuration knowledge is invaluable. I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff, but that is what I see as important(in my limited experience) to know Most, if not all of number 1 can be learned by reading books, RFC's white papers, etc. Hands on experience will certainly help. 2. Platform specific configuration: It's great to know all the above stuff, but If I can't make it happen on whatever I am configuring be it Cisco, Foundry, Extreme, or whatever. I am of little use as a hands on engineer. It's nice to know how EIGRP installs a feasible successor, But if I can't get my routes to propagate correctly because I left out no auto summary, that knowledge doesn't serve me like it should. OT. Why Cisco doesn't remove ALL classfull behavior from that damn protocol is beyond me!! Again, I believe it's improbable to know how to configure everything on even one vender or platform. But, the engineer should know when to punt and ask for help. Or know how to access and find the information he/she requires. And I don't just mean calling TAC :) Even though the wonderful people at TAC have gotten my ass out of a ringer many times. The Items in Number 2 comes from some book knowledge. But hands on experience is key. The experience of producing a complex config and fighting to make it work is the best teacher I know of. Be it in a lab or live network. I never forgot the first time I got a DS-3 of ATM with about 15 pvcs to work. Or even the first time I brought up a simple frame link and pinged across and watched my routing table to grow !!! It was almost better than sex !!(don't tell my wife please !!) I know, I'm sick. :/ 3. Experience, PERIOD !! Many a time it has been when I fought to get something to work and couldn't. I checked the config against CCO, changed IOS's, changed modules, changed my underwear, etc. Ending calling up a more knowledgeable peer to have her tell me: Oh, it's BLA, BA BLA. Type in the undocumented BLA BA BLA and it will work. That is why having peers and is essential to survival in this business. Everybody of Group study is my peer whom I glean information and support. I am a firm believer in no man/women is an island' !! And NOBODY knows everything. 4. The ability, motivation, and tenacity to solve problems, learn, and do a good job. (self explanatory) I believe no attribute in itself is the most important, we need all of them. Sorry everybody for the long post. I'll refrain from posting for a while. Tony M. #6172 - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] Actually, it's likely the lawyer fresh out of lawschool will do a better job than the cratchety old lawyer that's had a few years to become jaded by the system or to get an over-inflated view of themselves. The new kid on the block has something to prove so he'll go that extra mile to do a superb job. Did I mention I used to head up an IT division at a major Canadian law firm? (-: My point is... experience doesn't always matter. Brilliance and the willingness to do a good job can compensate quite well for experience. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] hey, Brad, aren't you the guy who was complaining on the other list about what the one day lab would
Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19105]
Tony All good points in your post. As you wrote NOBODY knows anything and if you continue to believe that after geting your CCIE there is great future for you because you will never cease to learn and to develop both personally and profesionally. I am currently studying for CIT and IMHO it is really importand to understand OSI layers because you can learn to troubleshoot bottom up (from physical to data link to network and so on) and I believe that Cisco certs are much more vendor-neutral compared to other certs. If you dont just cram for tests and try to study in a broader perspective there is a lot to learn. A lot of people talk about paper certs but the least likely to be paper certs are CCIE and Red Hat because they have a lab section and that cannot be passed by cramming only without having hands-on experience (maybe lab not real world but this is certainly better than none at all). I am glad that at least something good came out of this long thread. I dont mean to insult anyone but please ignore stupid journalists that dont know what it takes to become a CCIE. Tony and other CCIE's in this list and the ones I had the priviledge to work with demonstrate that being an expert while remaining humble is the true sign of a wise person. George Yiannibas MCSE CCNA Tony Medeiros wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have to agree with many, if not all the points raised by everybody. My humble take is that there are 4 types of knowledge a great, capable of hands on, design, etc. network engineer should have in the perfect world. CCIE or not. Bear in mind that I am talking about a network engineer that basically works with the equipment and maintains and designs networks. Other types of network engineers that design hardware, software, and protocols will come under a way different set of rules I would think. 1. Basic network and protocol knowledge: This should be how all layer 2, 3, 4 and many layer 7 protocols work including the management plane protocols, routing protocols, STP, etc. Not necessarily what all the frame/packet/segment structures look like and where and what each field in the PDU is and does. But enough PDU structure to know what the engineer is looking at and understand how they work. Although this is all excellent knowledge to have, I think it's improbable (at least for me) to know all the PDU structures in detail. The main thing is to know the behaviors (especially TCP) and how things can go right or wrong. Some layer 1 stuff is good to know too!! Like what does it mean when I have slips on my T1 interface or how a DS-3 works. Other things are cabling issues, what box does what, where do I use a certain box (bridge vs.router, etc.), design best practices, security issues and techniques. Also host behavior and configuration knowledge is invaluable. I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff, but that is what I see as important(in my limited experience) to know Most, if not all of number 1 can be learned by reading books, RFC's white papers, etc. Hands on experience will certainly help. 2. Platform specific configuration: It's great to know all the above stuff, but If I can't make it happen on whatever I am configuring be it Cisco, Foundry, Extreme, or whatever. I am of little use as a hands on engineer. It's nice to know how EIGRP installs a feasible successor, But if I can't get my routes to propagate correctly because I left out no auto summary, that knowledge doesn't serve me like it should. OT. Why Cisco doesn't remove ALL classfull behavior from that damn protocol is beyond me!! Again, I believe it's improbable to know how to configure everything on even one vender or platform. But, the engineer should know when to punt and ask for help. Or know how to access and find the information he/she requires. And I don't just mean calling TAC :) Even though the wonderful people at TAC have gotten my ass out of a ringer many times. The Items in Number 2 comes from some book knowledge. But hands on experience is key. The experience of producing a complex config and fighting to make it work is the best teacher I know of. Be it in a lab or live network. I never forgot the first time I got a DS-3 of ATM with about 15 pvcs to work. Or even the first time I brought up a simple frame link and pinged across and watched my routing table to grow !!! It was almost better than sex !!(don't tell my wife please !!) I know, I'm sick. :/ 3. Experience, PERIOD !! Many a time it has been when I fought to get something to work and couldn't. I checked the config against CCO, changed IOS's, changed modules, changed my underwear, etc. Ending calling up a more knowledgeable peer to have her tell me: Oh, it's BLA, BA BLA. Type in the undocumented BLA BA BLA and it will work. That is why having peers and is essential to survival in this business. Everybody of Group study is my peer whom I glean information and
RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19115]
gotta get this guy to talk more. there is much of interest and worth in this post. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Medeiros Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE (Warning !!! longish ) [7:19098] I have to agree with many, if not all the points raised by everybody. My humble take is that there are 4 types of knowledge a great, capable of hands on, design, etc. network engineer should have in the perfect world. CCIE or not. Bear in mind that I am talking about a network engineer that basically works with the equipment and maintains and designs networks. Other types of network engineers that design hardware, software, and protocols will come under a way different set of rules I would think. 1. Basic network and protocol knowledge: This should be how all layer 2, 3, 4 and many layer 7 protocols work including the management plane protocols, routing protocols, STP, etc. Not necessarily what all the frame/packet/segment structures look like and where and what each field in the PDU is and does. But enough PDU structure to know what the engineer is looking at and understand how they work. Although this is all excellent knowledge to have, I think it's improbable (at least for me) to know all the PDU structures in detail. The main thing is to know the behaviors (especially TCP) and how things can go right or wrong. Some layer 1 stuff is good to know too!! Like what does it mean when I have slips on my T1 interface or how a DS-3 works. Other things are cabling issues, what box does what, where do I use a certain box (bridge vs.router, etc.), design best practices, security issues and techniques. Also host behavior and configuration knowledge is invaluable. I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff, but that is what I see as important(in my limited experience) to know Most, if not all of number 1 can be learned by reading books, RFC's white papers, etc. Hands on experience will certainly help. 2. Platform specific configuration: It's great to know all the above stuff, but If I can't make it happen on whatever I am configuring be it Cisco, Foundry, Extreme, or whatever. I am of little use as a hands on engineer. It's nice to know how EIGRP installs a feasible successor, But if I can't get my routes to propagate correctly because I left out no auto summary, that knowledge doesn't serve me like it should. OT. Why Cisco doesn't remove ALL classfull behavior from that damn protocol is beyond me!! Again, I believe it's improbable to know how to configure everything on even one vender or platform. But, the engineer should know when to punt and ask for help. Or know how to access and find the information he/she requires. And I don't just mean calling TAC :) Even though the wonderful people at TAC have gotten my ass out of a ringer many times. The Items in Number 2 comes from some book knowledge. But hands on experience is key. The experience of producing a complex config and fighting to make it work is the best teacher I know of. Be it in a lab or live network. I never forgot the first time I got a DS-3 of ATM with about 15 pvcs to work. Or even the first time I brought up a simple frame link and pinged across and watched my routing table to grow !!! It was almost better than sex !!(don't tell my wife please !!) I know, I'm sick. :/ 3. Experience, PERIOD !! Many a time it has been when I fought to get something to work and couldn't. I checked the config against CCO, changed IOS's, changed modules, changed my underwear, etc. Ending calling up a more knowledgeable peer to have her tell me: Oh, it's BLA, BA BLA. Type in the undocumented BLA BA BLA and it will work. That is why having peers and is essential to survival in this business. Everybody of Group study is my peer whom I glean information and support. I am a firm believer in no man/women is an island' !! And NOBODY knows everything. 4. The ability, motivation, and tenacity to solve problems, learn, and do a good job. (self explanatory) I believe no attribute in itself is the most important, we need all of them. Sorry everybody for the long post. I'll refrain from posting for a while. Tony M. #6172 - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] Actually, it's likely the lawyer fresh out of lawschool will do a better job than the cratchety old lawyer that's had a few years to become jaded by the system or to get an over-inflated view of themselves. The new kid on the block has something to prove so he'll go that extra mile to do a superb job. Did I mention I used to head up an IT division at a major Canadian law firm? (-: My point is... experience doesn't always matter. Brilliance and the willingness to do a good job can compensate quite well for experience
Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094]
I believe Yahoo bought egroups and changed it yahoogroups. I hate people adding me to the list without my permission. What is more terrible is that a guy created a group list in Yahoogroups and added another e-mail list (which I'm subscribed to) to his list. I can NOT even un-subscribe from his list because my e-mail address is not on the list! We should protest to Yahoo and let them change the way they conduct business! Jianliang Li --- Paul Borghese wrote: Some dimwit created a cisco group at yahoogroups and has been subscribing people who have posted from this list to the group. If this has occurred to you, please protest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we can get this guy shutdown. Frankly I am amazed Yahoo will allow your e-mail address to be put on one of their list without requiring an authentication message. We need to have a debate as to if we want to make the posters e-mail address public, or should we strip off the address. I would hate to take such a draconian action, but it will stop this type of abuse. Of course if you are reading from the message boards, you are not effected. Please if you were subscribed without permission, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care, Paul Borghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14251t=14094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094]
Yahoo may have already killed the list. But you should complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am still amazed that yahoo will allow anyone to create a mailing list and add addresses without the requirement of an authentication message. Take care, Paul Borghese - Original Message - From: J. Li To: Paul Borghese ; Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094] I believe Yahoo bought egroups and changed it yahoogroups. I hate people adding me to the list without my permission. What is more terrible is that a guy created a group list in Yahoogroups and added another e-mail list (which I'm subscribed to) to his list. I can NOT even un-subscribe from his list because my e-mail address is not on the list! We should protest to Yahoo and let them change the way they conduct business! Jianliang Li --- Paul Borghese wrote: Some dimwit created a cisco group at yahoogroups and has been subscribing people who have posted from this list to the group. If this has occurred to you, please protest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we can get this guy shutdown. Frankly I am amazed Yahoo will allow your e-mail address to be put on one of their list without requiring an authentication message. We need to have a debate as to if we want to make the posters e-mail address public, or should we strip off the address. I would hate to take such a draconian action, but it will stop this type of abuse. Of course if you are reading from the message boards, you are not effected. Please if you were subscribed without permission, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care, Paul Borghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14266t=14094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094]
Paul, Spill the beans...who is doing this? Paul Borghese wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Yahoo may have already killed the list. But you should complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am still amazed that yahoo will allow anyone to create a mailing list and add addresses without the requirement of an authentication message. Take care, Paul Borghese - Original Message - From: J. Li To: Paul Borghese ; Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094] I believe Yahoo bought egroups and changed it yahoogroups. I hate people adding me to the list without my permission. What is more terrible is that a guy created a group list in Yahoogroups and added another e-mail list (which I'm subscribed to) to his list. I can NOT even un-subscribe from his list because my e-mail address is not on the list! We should protest to Yahoo and let them change the way they conduct business! Jianliang Li --- Paul Borghese wrote: Some dimwit created a cisco group at yahoogroups and has been subscribing people who have posted from this list to the group. If this has occurred to you, please protest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we can get this guy shutdown. Frankly I am amazed Yahoo will allow your e-mail address to be put on one of their list without requiring an authentication message. We need to have a debate as to if we want to make the posters e-mail address public, or should we strip off the address. I would hate to take such a draconian action, but it will stop this type of abuse. Of course if you are reading from the message boards, you are not effected. Please if you were subscribed without permission, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care, Paul Borghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14276t=14094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094]
Believe me, I wish I knew. If anyone has any information, please contact me. Take care, Paul Patrick Bass wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Paul, Spill the beans...who is doing this? Paul Borghese wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Yahoo may have already killed the list. But you should complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am still amazed that yahoo will allow anyone to create a mailing list and add addresses without the requirement of an authentication message. Take care, Paul Borghese - Original Message - From: J. Li To: Paul Borghese ; Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094] I believe Yahoo bought egroups and changed it yahoogroups. I hate people adding me to the list without my permission. What is more terrible is that a guy created a group list in Yahoogroups and added another e-mail list (which I'm subscribed to) to his list. I can NOT even un-subscribe from his list because my e-mail address is not on the list! We should protest to Yahoo and let them change the way they conduct business! Jianliang Li --- Paul Borghese wrote: Some dimwit created a cisco group at yahoogroups and has been subscribing people who have posted from this list to the group. If this has occurred to you, please protest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we can get this guy shutdown. Frankly I am amazed Yahoo will allow your e-mail address to be put on one of their list without requiring an authentication message. We need to have a debate as to if we want to make the posters e-mail address public, or should we strip off the address. I would hate to take such a draconian action, but it will stop this type of abuse. Of course if you are reading from the message boards, you are not effected. Please if you were subscribed without permission, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care, Paul Borghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14283t=14094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094]
I sent an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I no longer get these messages. Mike W. J. Li wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe Yahoo bought egroups and changed it yahoogroups. I hate people adding me to the list without my permission. What is more terrible is that a guy created a group list in Yahoogroups and added another e-mail list (which I'm subscribed to) to his list. I can NOT even un-subscribe from his list because my e-mail address is not on the list! We should protest to Yahoo and let them change the way they conduct business! Jianliang Li --- Paul Borghese wrote: Some dimwit created a cisco group at yahoogroups and has been subscribing people who have posted from this list to the group. If this has occurred to you, please protest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we can get this guy shutdown. Frankly I am amazed Yahoo will allow your e-mail address to be put on one of their list without requiring an authentication message. We need to have a debate as to if we want to make the posters e-mail address public, or should we strip off the address. I would hate to take such a draconian action, but it will stop this type of abuse. Of course if you are reading from the message boards, you are not effected. Please if you were subscribed without permission, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care, Paul Borghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14318t=14094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Warning about yahoogroups.com [7:14094]
Some dimwit created a cisco group at yahoogroups and has been subscribing people who have posted from this list to the group. If this has occurred to you, please protest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we can get this guy shutdown. Frankly I am amazed Yahoo will allow your e-mail address to be put on one of their list without requiring an authentication message. We need to have a debate as to if we want to make the posters e-mail address public, or should we strip off the address. I would hate to take such a draconian action, but it will stop this type of abuse. Of course if you are reading from the message boards, you are not effected. Please if you were subscribed without permission, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care, Paul Borghese Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14094t=14094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Virus/Worm Warning [7:8833]
I have been receiving a report of a worm being sent to people as a reply from the list. At least one person on the list is infected with the badtrans worm and may be spreading to others (this person has been removed from the list). Here is a link for more information: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The worm operates by responding to unopened e-mails with an attachment saying Take a look to the attachment. Please realize, the worm is not being passed through the GroupStudy server, but instead sent directly from sender to recipient as if it was an off list reply. In fact, GroupStudy does not allow attachments so any worm will be automatically removed. If someone sends you a worm as a reply to an e-mail sent on the list, please send me the e-mail address of the person for removal. They may rejoin once the worm has been cleared from their system. It would also be nice to tell the person about the worm so they can correct the problem. Please understand, this worm is not being passed via the GroupStudy servers so there is not a whole lot I can do from this end. Just be careful when opening attachments to replies from the list. Paul Borghese Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=8833t=8833 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
virus warning [7:4165]
Paul/All, Note the infected email I received after I posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I advised the sender, but I thought you would want to know. Below is the text of the email, note the name of the attachment. I have no idea what it does. --David 'David Kurnik' wrote: - Though there are a number of other vendors that produce video streaming - systems, Cisco has the iptv product. With an IPTV server you can put S - Video, or RCA input into a multicast (or unicast) stream, or you can use a - unicast stream to 'seed' a multicast session onto your network. You can - also use a content manager to provide a library of unicast video on demand - titles. - - At my last employer we used IPTV to put some very impressive 1 MB+ video - feeds onto ...' Take a look to the attachment. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4165t=4165 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco issues profits warning 2 [7:842]
haha.maybe it is good for me if the sales is poor at least there will not be worldwide shortage for parts and all my 3 x Cat6506, 3 x 7507 routers can arrive faster :P "Ian Gomeche" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... don't know where the link went on my last post so here is the whole story ian Monday, 16 April, 2001, 21:05 GMT 22:05 UK Cisco warns of lower earnings 'Difficult business decisions': Cisco's John Chambers After the US markets closed on Monday, Silicon Valley's largest company, Cisco Systems, cut its earnings and revenue forecasts. The tech giant, the worldwide leader in networking for the internet, said that sales for the third quarter would come in 30% lower than the previous three months. This may be the fastest any industry our size has ever decelerated John Chambers, Cisco chief executive The firm also announced plans to layoff 8,500 people, about 1,000 more than it previously said last month. The company said that the current business environment had "never been more challenging". Sales for the third quarter would be down around 30% from the second, when they reached $6.7bn (#4.66bn). The company said it expects its revenue for the fourth quarter to range from flat to down 10%. Cisco blamed "global economic challenges, the slowdown in the global telecom market and the deceleration in corporate information technology spending" for its troubles. "This may be the fastest any industry our size has ever decelerated, which has required us to make difficult business decisions at unprecedented speed," said Cisco chief executive John Chambers. Industry slowdown High tech stocks have plunged in recent months because of the slowdown in the US economy and a slump in spending by firms on information technology. Lucent Technologies, Nortel Networks and Cisco's other rivals have all either announced huge job cuts or have issued profits warnings. And more are expected this week, with a slew of firms reporting earnings. "My real concern is not about Cisco," said one analyst. "Relatively speaking, the company will do well, but if relatively well is having revenue difficulties to this order of magnitude, then it is troubling for the industry". Cisco shares were reaching $15.90 in after hours trading on Monday, having closed on the Nasdaq at $17.20, where they had dropped 78 cents, or more than 4%. The stocks have plunged from a year high of nearly $72. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=894t=842 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco issues profite warning [7:836]
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Cisco issues profits warning 2 [7:842]
don't know where the link went on my last post so here is the whole story ian Monday, 16 April, 2001, 21:05 GMT 22:05 UK Cisco warns of lower earnings 'Difficult business decisions': Cisco's John Chambers After the US markets closed on Monday, Silicon Valley's largest company, Cisco Systems, cut its earnings and revenue forecasts. The tech giant, the worldwide leader in networking for the internet, said that sales for the third quarter would come in 30% lower than the previous three months. This may be the fastest any industry our size has ever decelerated John Chambers, Cisco chief executive The firm also announced plans to layoff 8,500 people, about 1,000 more than it previously said last month. The company said that the current business environment had "never been more challenging". Sales for the third quarter would be down around 30% from the second, when they reached $6.7bn (#4.66bn). The company said it expects its revenue for the fourth quarter to range from flat to down 10%. Cisco blamed "global economic challenges, the slowdown in the global telecom market and the deceleration in corporate information technology spending" for its troubles. "This may be the fastest any industry our size has ever decelerated, which has required us to make difficult business decisions at unprecedented speed," said Cisco chief executive John Chambers. Industry slowdown High tech stocks have plunged in recent months because of the slowdown in the US economy and a slump in spending by firms on information technology. Lucent Technologies, Nortel Networks and Cisco's other rivals have all either announced huge job cuts or have issued profits warnings. And more are expected this week, with a slew of firms reporting earnings. "My real concern is not about Cisco," said one analyst. "Relatively speaking, the company will do well, but if relatively well is having revenue difficulties to this order of magnitude, then it is troubling for the industry". Cisco shares were reaching $15.90 in after hours trading on Monday, having closed on the Nasdaq at $17.20, where they had dropped 78 cents, or more than 4%. The stocks have plunged from a year high of nearly $72. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=842t=842 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Private Internet Addressing Warning! Off topic
Warning OFF TOPIC Funny, my family owns a heating and air-conditioning business and the normal way to look for a natural gas leak is with a match! In fact the gas company used to give us these little candles that were about a foot long to use to check. The only time I didn't use a lighter is if I smelled the raw gas, then the leak was big enough to be concerned -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Private Internet Addressing This remains a continuing thread on NANOG. My personal view is that the world has certain ISPs, such as cais.net DSL and apparently US West in your example, that exist for the same reason as do warthogs: to make roses even more beautiful. Several major ISPs have this pernicious practice, which confuses traceroute (in several ways), reverse DNS, and MTU path discovery. They are ISPs with significant allocations of address space and should be able to get more. I personally believe that anyone that uses private address space in a path where public traffic will EVER route through one of the addresses, is, at best, being irresponsible. Sort of like looking for the gas leak with a lighted match. I did a traceroute to one of US West's customers... got some interesting results: 13 206 ms 179 ms 123 ms gig0-0-0.phnx-sust1.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.253] 14 1016 ms 151 ms 975 ms 207.224.191.2 15 233 ms 124 ms 123 ms 192.168.8.1 16 151 ms 179 ms 123 ms 192.168.100.147 17 247 ms 192 ms 151 ms vdsl-130-13-102-120.phnx.uswest.net [130.13.102.120] RFC 1918 - "Address Allocation for Private Internets" indicates 192.168.0.0 through 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) is reserved for private internets. Hops 15 and 16 in my traceroute show that addresses within this range are being used publically. Did I miss something? Have the "for private use only" IP addresses now been given the green light to be used within the internet? -- Leigh Anne _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*WARNING* CATALYST BUG MEMORY LEAK VULNERABILITY
CISCO CATALYST MEMORY LEAK VULNERABILITY: This vulnerability affects Catalyst 2901, 2902, 2926T, 2926F, 2926GL, 2926GS fixed configuration chassis, and the 5000, 5002, 5500, 5505, and 5509 modular chassis switches. 2948G, 2980G, 4003, 4006, and 4912G switches. 6009, 6006, 6509, 6509-NEB, and 6506 modular chassis switches. **WARNING** THE FIX SOFTWARE VERSION FOR CATALYST 4000 MODEL 5.5(4b) HAS A "POWER REQUIREMENT". IT NEEDS 2 POWER SUPPLIES TO RUN AT ALL TIMES; OTHERWISE IT WILL REMOVE "OFF-LINE" "ALL" THE MODULES INSERTED IN THE CHASSIS, WITH EXCEPTION OF THE SUPERVISOR MODULE. IN OTHER WORDS BEFORE DEPLOYING THIS LITTLE SUCKER, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE MORE THAN 1 POWER SUPPLY CONNECTED AND RUNNING, OTHERWISE YOU WILL KICK OFF EVERYONE THATS CONNECTED TO YOUR SWITCH, WITH EXCEPTION OF YOUR SUPERVISOR ENGINE MODULE.THANK GOD FOR THAT;) **so i guess if you want redundancy, you have no other alternative but to have all "3" power supplies on and connected. More bucks for cisco. CHECK OUT OUTPUT: --More--2001 Jan 29 12:22:08 %SYS-2-P2_CRIT: 1/Resetting linecards due to insuff icient power 2001 Jan 29 12:22:08 %SYS-2-P2_CRIT: 1/Resetting linecards due to too few workin g fans 2001 Jan 29 12:22:08 %SYS-5-MOD_REMOVE:Module 2 has been removed 2001 Jan 29 12:22:17 %SYS-5-MOD_REMOVE:Module 3 has been removed 2001 Jan 29 12:22:23 %SYS-5-MOD_REMOVE:Module 4 has been removed 2001 Jan 29 12:22:26 %SYS-5-MOD_REMOVE:Module 5 has been removed 2001 Jan 29 12:22:53 %SYS-2-PS_INSUFFICIENT:Insufficient power supplies operatin g, this system requires 2 and only has 1 2001 Jan 29 12:22:53 %SYS-5-PS_INSERT:Power supply 1 has been inserted 2001 Jan 29 12:22:53 %SYS-2-PS_NFANFAIL:Power supply 1 and power supply fan fail ed 2001 Jan 29 12:23:08 %SYS-2-PS_OK:Power supply 1 okay 2001 Jan 29 12:23:16 %SYS-5-MOD_INSERT:Module 3 has been inserted 2001 Jan 29 12:23:16 %SYS-5-MOD_INSERT:Module 2 has been inserted 2001 Jan 29 12:23:16 %SYS-5-MOD_INSERT:Module 5 has been inserted 2001 Jan 29 12:23:16 %SYS-5-MOD_INSERT:Module 4 has been inserted 2001 Jan 29 12:23:18 %SYS-5-MOD_OK:Module 5 is online 2001 Jan 29 12:23:25 %SYS-5-MOD_OK:Module 2 is online 2001 Jan 29 12:23:25 %SYS-5-MOD_OK:Module 4 is online 2001 Jan 29 12:23:25 %SYS-5-MOD_OK:Module 3 is online HAVE FUN UPGRADING ;)= FOR FULL DETAILS CHECK OUT CCO LINK BELOW http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/catalyst-memleak-pub.shtml _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Warning!!
I'm really bothered by posts from anonymous or unverifiable email addresses that slam companies, countries, authors, immigration policies, and rumors about planned Cisco attacks. When I make a public post, there's no question who is making it. Is this Berkowitz just being crotchety, or does this mean anything to anyone's career? I think the latter. In the IETF, for example, there are people who have a lifelong reputation of trying to Do The Right Thing. Paul Vixie and Vint Cerf, for example, are people whose reputations are such that they can make comments about a competitor and have their statement accepted as true to the best of their knowledge. Perhaps not at entry level, where the lower-level certifications are most important, but as one moves to higher levels, reputation is important. I am NOT saying not to make claims about things that irritate you. I am saying to do it, when you do, in a manner that helps your reputation and that of the industry as a whole. Personally, I am close to killfiling groupstudy (and other technical) list posts that originate from throwaway email services such as hotmail. Here's my reasoning. If you don't use a free access service (e.g., free dialup/DSL for advertising), you have to be paying for an ISP, or gaining access via an employer, academic, or library account. An ISP account normally includes POP3 access. The cost of additional mailboxes normally is trivial, if perhaps you want different mailboxes for personal and business matters. Even if you need to get to your personal account from work, many intranets allow external POP3 connectivity. If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of email clients (including browsers), I'd really be uncomfortable with them configuring my routers. Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses "email slang" such as "u" rather than "you," etc., is not improving their image in the industry. And image can't be ignored completely. -- "What Problem are you trying to solve?" ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director, CertificationZone.com Senior Mgr., IP Protocols Algorithms, NortelNetworks (for ID only) but Cisco stockholder! "retired" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Warning
You know, this is something I personally have never even though about...at least from the aspect of your e-mail address. But it makes absolute sense. Because being new myself, I have already leaned there are some people you just don\'t open and then there are some that you learn things from. And since Howard is someone who falls into that latter catagory, I am changing which mail service I use for group-study as he is actually someone that I read on a consistant basis. And one thing he is very definately right on about, is the fact that newbies like myself are in awe of some of you guys. I took everyone\'s word in a literal sense when I first started reading this group and then I realized I needed to weed out the strays in order NOT to be misdirected. I also considered dropping this group, but decided to stay because of posts like Howard\'s. He is someone people listen to, or should I say someone I listen to. Chuck and Pricilla also fall in that same list. There are a few others, but just naming these few are why I will continue to remain here and only occasionally posting a note. The bottom line is, they actually teach. I reason things by saying the other\'s will get tired and eventually leave or grow up. I would rather read Howard\'s \"crotchety\" replies anyday to some other\'s. Just my opinion... Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is really me and yes, I pay money for this) I\\\'m really bothered by posts from anonymous or unverifiable email addresses that slam companies, countries, authors, immigration policies, and rumors about planned Cisco attacks. When I make a public post, there\\\'s no question who is making it. Is this Berkowitz just being crotchety, or does this mean anything to anyone\\\'s career? I think the latter. In the IETF, for example, there are people who have a lifelong reputation of trying to Do The Right Thing. Paul Vixie and Vint Cerf, for example, are people whose reputations are such that they can make comments about a competitor and have their statement accepted as true to the best of their knowledge. Perhaps not at entry level, where the lower-level certifications are most important, but as one moves to higher levels, reputation is important. I am NOT saying not to make claims about things that irritate you. I am saying to do it, when you do, in a manner that helps your reputation and that of the industry as a whole. Personally, I am close to killfiling groupstudy (and other technical) list posts that originate from throwaway email services such as hotmail. Here\\\'s my reasoning. If you don\\\'t use a free access service (e.g., free dialup/DSL for advertising), you have to be paying for an ISP, or gaining access via an employer, academic, or library account. An ISP account normally includes POP3 access. The cost of additional mailboxes normally is trivial, if perhaps you want different mailboxes for personal and business matters. Even if you need to get to your personal account from work, many intranets allow external POP3 connectivity. If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of email clients (including browsers), I\\\'d really be uncomfortable with them configuring my routers. Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses \\\"email slang\\\" such as \\\"u\\\" rather than \\\"you,\\\" etc., is not improving their image in the industry. And image can\\\'t be ignored completely. -- \\\"What Problem are you trying to solve?\\\" ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director, CertificationZone.com Senior Mgr., IP Protocols Algorithms, NortelNetworks (for ID only) but Cisco stockholder! \\\"retired\\\" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 -- -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Warning!!
You know, this is something I personally have never even though about...at least from the aspect of your e-mail address. But it makes absolute sense. Because being new myself, I have already leaned there are some people you just don\'t open and then there are some that you learn things from. And since Howard is someone who falls into that latter catagory, I am changing which mail service I use for group-study as he is actually someone that I read on a consistant basis. And one thing he is very definately right on about, is the fact that newbies like myself are in awe of some of you guys. I took everyone\'s word in a literal sense when I first started reading this group and then I realized I needed to weed out the strays in order NOT to be misdirected. I also considered dropping this group, but decided to stay because of posts like Howard\'s. He is someone people listen to, or should I say someone I listen to. Chuck and Pricilla also fall in that same list. There are a few others, but just naming these few are why I will continue to remain here and only occasionally posting a note. The bottom line is, they actually teach. I reason things by saying the other\'s will get tired and eventually leave or grow up. I would rather read Howard\'s \"crotchety\" replies anyday to some other\'s. Just my opinion... Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is really me and yes, I pay money for this) I\\\'m really bothered by posts from anonymous or unverifiable email addresses that slam companies, countries, authors, immigration policies, and rumors about planned Cisco attacks. When I make a public post, there\\\'s no question who is making it. Is this Berkowitz just being crotchety, or does this mean anything to anyone\\\'s career? I think the latter. In the IETF, for example, there are people who have a lifelong reputation of trying to Do The Right Thing. Paul Vixie and Vint Cerf, for example, are people whose reputations are such that they can make comments about a competitor and have their statement accepted as true to the best of their knowledge. Perhaps not at entry level, where the lower-level certifications are most important, but as one moves to higher levels, reputation is important. I am NOT saying not to make claims about things that irritate you. I am saying to do it, when you do, in a manner that helps your reputation and that of the industry as a whole. Personally, I am close to killfiling groupstudy (and other technical) list posts that originate from throwaway email services such as hotmail. Here\\\'s my reasoning. If you don\\\'t use a free access service (e.g., free dialup/DSL for advertising), you have to be paying for an ISP, or gaining access via an employer, academic, or library account. An ISP account normally includes POP3 access. The cost of additional mailboxes normally is trivial, if perhaps you want different mailboxes for personal and business matters. Even if you need to get to your personal account from work, many intranets allow external POP3 connectivity. If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of email clients (including browsers), I\\\'d really be uncomfortable with them configuring my routers. Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses \\\"email slang\\\" such as \\\"u\\\" rather than \\\"you,\\\" etc., is not improving their image in the industry. And image can\\\'t be ignored completely. -- \\\"What Problem are you trying to solve?\\\" ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director, CertificationZone.com Senior Mgr., IP Protocols Algorithms, NortelNetworks (for ID only) but Cisco stockholder! \\\"retired\\\" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 -- -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Have a good day!!! Jennifer Cribbs _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Warning!!
If someone really needs the web-based mail interfaces of a hotmail-type service rather than using POP3 with any of a number of email clients (including browsers), I'd really be uncomfortable with them configuring my routers. Believe me, someone who posts from an anonymous account, uses "email slang" such as "u" rather than "you," etc., is not improving their image in the industry. And image can't be ignored completely. Please don't place excite.com in your killfile! Our proxy server at work blocks access to my real ISP account (AOL), along with most other mail sites, but it does not block excite mail. That's the only reason I use it. And my boss gets very upset if I use my work email address. Apparently, groupstudy mail has spam characteristics and is placed in a "holding cell" to be later checked and released by my boss. You can understand his irritation with having a few hundred of those emails to wade through. :-) So, if you ever start killfiling those free mail services, please leave a niche in there for my email address. If you do, I promise to buy all three of your books! heh heh Actually, I'm planning on getting them all anyway, so I can't use that as a bribe. Thanks, John, who promises never to use k-cool email slang, even if it's totally rad. ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
% Warning: cannot change link type
Help, I have a 3600 @ 11.3 which is running as a frame switch on some ports and I am trying to configure some of the other ports as routed point-to-point sub-ints. But when configuring the second sub int I get the following. frsw1(config)#int s0/0.1 point-to-point frsw1(config-subif)#exit frsw1(config)#int s0/0.2 point-to-point % Warning: cannot change link type Which results in the following configuration interface Serial0/0 no ip address no ip mroute-cache encapsulation frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point no arp frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.2 multipoint no arp frame-relay Any ideas? Les _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: % Warning: cannot change link type
then tried to delete it and bring it back up as a point-to-point. You will get this error with 11.x IOS. Delete the interface and restart the router. That should enable you to change the frame type to multipoint. Good luck, Duncan -Original Message- From: les flack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: % Warning: cannot change link type Help, I have a 3600 @ 11.3 which is running as a frame switch on some ports and I am trying to configure some of the other ports as routed point-to-point sub-ints. But when configuring the second sub int I get the following. frsw1(config)#int s0/0.1 point-to-point frsw1(config-subif)#exit frsw1(config)#int s0/0.2 point-to-point % Warning: cannot change link type Which results in the following configuration interface Serial0/0 no ip address no ip mroute-cache encapsulation frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point no arp frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.2 multipoint no arp frame-relay Any ideas? Les _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: % Warning: cannot change link type
You can't change a subinterface from one type to another without rebooting. In this case, you already have it configured as multipoint. Either use another subinterface or remove this one and reboot. HTH, John Help, I have a 3600 @ 11.3 which is running as a frame switch on some ports and I am trying to configure some of the other ports as routed point-to-point sub-ints. But when configuring the second sub int I get the following. frsw1(config)#int s0/0.1 point-to-point frsw1(config-subif)#exit frsw1(config)#int s0/0.2 point-to-point % Warning: cannot change link type Which results in the following configuration interface Serial0/0 no ip address no ip mroute-cache encapsulation frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point no arp frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.2 multipoint no arp frame-relay Any ideas? Les _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: % Warning: cannot change link type
That's correct. The only two commands that you have to reload a router, are when changing the ISDN switch type and changing subinterfaces from point-to-point to point-to-multipoint or vice versa. At least the only two that I've heard of. I'd be interested if someone has heard of any others. --Mike -Original Message- From: Maccubbin, Duncan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/13/00 7:47 AM Subject: RE: % Warning: cannot change link type then tried to delete it and bring it back up as a point-to-point. You will get this error with 11.x IOS. Delete the interface and restart the router. That should enable you to change the frame type to multipoint. Good luck, Duncan -Original Message- From: les flack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: % Warning: cannot change link type Help, I have a 3600 @ 11.3 which is running as a frame switch on some ports and I am trying to configure some of the other ports as routed point-to-point sub-ints. But when configuring the second sub int I get the following. frsw1(config)#int s0/0.1 point-to-point frsw1(config-subif)#exit frsw1(config)#int s0/0.2 point-to-point % Warning: cannot change link type Which results in the following configuration interface Serial0/0 no ip address no ip mroute-cache encapsulation frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point no arp frame-relay ! interface Serial0/0.2 multipoint no arp frame-relay Any ideas? Les _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WARING WARNING
Do not waste money or time on BFQ (Quizer) http://www.bfq.com Most of the questions are from the old course and not from the CISCO BSCN course material. I have the official CISCO material ( attended the training ) and they are referring to a old Course material and at the same time telling that this is for the new BSCN course. I Know from experience that when you take the test the questions will be from the official CISCO course and not from the old course. For me It looks like that BFQ have just re done the old test and selling it as a new one. This is not right. A Test is Testing what you read and if you understand what you read and nothing else. I see this as a false marketing from BFQ I am not pleased with thetest. This is my side of the saga. I recomed you to go for http://www.selftestsoftware.com CCNA, CNE, CNI, MCNE, FUAL, ISDN, BRI, TEMP, FDISK, A-, MC$E **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-=WARNING=-
Someone internal to our corp has released another varient of the Love letter virus. I found over 120 copies in my inbox when i returned after lunch. Ive deleted all found and have the latest dat which should take care of it. I do not believe any were sent to the listserv. Jesse Bessette PC Architecture MCP, TCP/IP Administator 303-689-6931 Http://www.virtualcircuit.com
Re: -=WARNING=-
what is in the subject field? andy ""Bessette, Jesse"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Someone internal to our corp has released another varient of the Love letter virus. I found over 120 copies in my inbox when i returned after lunch. Ive deleted all found and have the latest dat which should take care of it. I do not believe any were sent to the listserv. Jesse Bessette PC Architecture MCP, TCP/IP Administator 303-689-6931 Http://www.virtualcircuit.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: -=WARNING=-
So that's what was in the six messages sent to me yesterday!! I personally received that many from the list. I won't metion whose name they were from because I don't believe they were the one that sent it. The subject field had some topics I had answered to in the past three days. No text just attachments. They even had the Hotmail...McAffee logo on the bottom. One thing missing..the option to scan the attachment was missing. Non important though if you follow one rule. NEVER OPEN ATTACHEMENTS. Better luck next time. Dale Original Message Follows From: "Bessette, Jesse" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Bessette, Jesse" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: -=WARNING=- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:30:17 -0600 Someone internal to our corp has released another varient of the Love letter virus. I found over 120 copies in my inbox when i returned after lunch. Ive deleted all found and have the latest dat which should take care of it. I do not believe any were sent to the listserv. Jesse Bessette PC Architecture MCP, TCP/IP Administator 303-689-6931 Http://www.virtualcircuit.com http://www.virtualcircuit.com/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours]
** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ** The original message was received at Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:56:00 -0400 from cust87.209.188.65.dial.tor.accessv.com [209.188.65.87] - The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Transcript of session follows - [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Deferred: Connection refused by groupstudy.com. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Reporting-MTA: dns; emerald.accessv.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:56:00 -0400 Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: delayed Status: 4.4.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; groupstudy.com Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:03:10 -0400 Will-Retry-Until: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:56:00 -0400 Thnks God i passed and thanks to alll who had helped especially this angel SETH WILSON from Arp (ARP) Texas. NOw i can concentrate in my ecommerce/java/oracle
