IPSec/GRE VPN w/ ISDN Backup and EIGRP [7:72424]
I have set up an IPSec/GRE VPN with EIGRP and am having problems getting the ISDN backup to work correctly. Has anyone been able to do this successfully. Thanks, Rob Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72424t=72424 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: isdn backup query [7:70443]
HI Julian, I think a floating static route will serve your purpose fine. HTH Vikram -Original Message- From: Julian.P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: isdn backup query [7:70443] Hi all I just have a query about configuring an isdn backup link to an isp. I am going to use the backup interface bri0 with the backup delay command on the serial link. My question is what routing would i have to add if there is already a default route going out the serial interface. Thanks in advance guys Julian FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70576t=70443 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: isdn backup query [7:70443]
Use a floating static route with a higher metric - around 200 etc -Original Message- From: Julian.P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: isdn backup query [7:70443] Hi all I just have a query about configuring an isdn backup link to an isp. I am going to use the backup interface bri0 with the backup delay command on the serial link. My question is what routing would i have to add if there is already a default route going out the serial interface. Thanks in advance guys Julian FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70584t=70443 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
isdn backup query [7:70443]
Hi all I just have a query about configuring an isdn backup link to an isp. I am going to use the backup interface bri0 with the backup delay command on the serial link. My question is what routing would i have to add if there is already a default route going out the serial interface. Thanks in advance guys Julian FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: isdn backup query [7:70443]
Considering that your default route is probably pointing to a next-hop of the other side of the serial or perhaps is pointing to the serial interface itself, you would still need to tell the router to send traffic out of the BRI0 in the event that your serial goes down. If you serial interface goes down, it will take your current default route out of the routing table as well. So what you need to do is create a floating default static route which is nothing more than a default route with a higher preference so that it will only become active when the default route pointing to the serial is removed. Hope this helps. Thanks, Mario Puras SoluNet Technical Support -Original Message- From: Julian.P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: isdn backup query [7:70443] Hi all I just have a query about configuring an isdn backup link to an isp. I am going to use the backup interface bri0 with the backup delay command on the serial link. My question is what routing would i have to add if there is already a default route going out the serial interface. Thanks in advance guys Julian FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70452t=70443 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl b [7:58994]
kewl idea, theres always the option of paying a little more for a biznis dsl link, so that if it goes down they know about it. That plus your own monitoring is what I'd do. Bri On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Brad Ellis wrote: Use something like whatsup gold to monitor the DSL line. Have it send traffic across the line every 60 seconds or so. We're doing like that with our cable-modem backup connection and it's great! It does two things: 1) puts occasional traffic across the line so the ISP doesnt think the line is not in use, and 2) let's me know when the lines goes down and I have to call my ISP! thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.optsys.net (Cisco hardware) Voice: 702-968-5100 FAX: 702-968-5104 MikeS wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I did this for a client against my better judgement and wrote it up as such. DSL around here has not been stable enough and I've had a few cases where the telco disconnected the DSL line without saying anything. When asked about it, they replied they had not seen any traffic and *assumed* it was a dead line. And yes, they have had 3 failures of the DSL so far in the last 6 months. Twice when they actually needed it.. once during testing. Some of this is from the DSL company changing hands several times in the last year. MikeS -- Tutorials - Whitepapers - Security - Wireless- News Find me at www-dot-packetattack-dot-com Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59018t=58994 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58987]
I did this for a client against my better judgement and wrote it up as such. DSL around here has not been stable enough and I've had a few cases where the telco disconnected the DSL line without saying anything. When asked about it, they replied they had not seen any traffic and *assumed* it was a dead line. And yes, they have had 3 failures of the DSL so far in the last 6 months. Twice when they actually needed it.. once during testing. Some of this is from the DSL company changing hands several times in the last year. MikeS -- Tutorials - Whitepapers - Security - Wireless- News Find me at www-dot-packetattack-dot-com Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58987t=58987 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl b [7:58994]
Use something like whatsup gold to monitor the DSL line. Have it send traffic across the line every 60 seconds or so. We're doing like that with our cable-modem backup connection and it's great! It does two things: 1) puts occasional traffic across the line so the ISP doesnt think the line is not in use, and 2) let's me know when the lines goes down and I have to call my ISP! thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.optsys.net (Cisco hardware) Voice: 702-968-5100 FAX: 702-968-5104 MikeS wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I did this for a client against my better judgement and wrote it up as such. DSL around here has not been stable enough and I've had a few cases where the telco disconnected the DSL line without saying anything. When asked about it, they replied they had not seen any traffic and *assumed* it was a dead line. And yes, they have had 3 failures of the DSL so far in the last 6 months. Twice when they actually needed it.. once during testing. Some of this is from the DSL company changing hands several times in the last year. MikeS -- Tutorials - Whitepapers - Security - Wireless- News Find me at www-dot-packetattack-dot-com Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58994t=58994 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl b [7:58568]
You'll hit your three letter acroronym service level agreement real soon now (TLA SLA RSN.) -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: 12/4/02 12:56:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl b [7:58568] It sounds like DSL has a low mean time between failure (MTBF) but a high mean time to repair (MTTR), which can be just as bad, especially if it's your only backup. Of course, your mileage may vary (YMMV), depending on the service provider. Also, a service level agreement (SLA) would help, as Chuck mentions. Does that message set a record for the number of acronyms used? :-) Priscilla The Long and Winding Road wrote: Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www?.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58574t=58568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58766t=58568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58622]
In our case our DSL lines all terminate on an ATM T1 on one of our routers. I've configured OAM to test the lines and to declare the line down when OAM cells are not returned. With this I immediately know when a DSL line is down and can take action to correct it. This brings up another key point. Sure, we're using DSL, but it's not going to the public internet. We have a private line service in which the provider multiplexes our DSL circuits onto the aforementioned ATM circuit. This alleviates the concerns some people have about running private data over public networks. John Erick B. 12/4/02 9:33:35 PM I would second Chuck on this. I have seen some folk with DSL backup when the backup didn't work. Always was something with the provider. If you go this route, make sure to test/use the DSL connection on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. Same could be said for ISDN though. I guess it all depends on how good your provider is :) My home DSL connection has been a roller coaster ride as well. --- Mirza, Timur wrote: thx for the heads up...we are researching dsl as a backup solution...we have 1500 sites on isdn backup we have tons of isdn telco issues -Original Message- From: The Long and Winding Road [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58568] Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58622t=58622 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58558]
we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58558t=58558 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58568]
Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58568t=58568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl b [7:58568]
It sounds like DSL has a low mean time between failure (MTBF) but a high mean time to repair (MTTR), which can be just as bad, especially if it's your only backup. Of course, your mileage may vary (YMMV), depending on the service provider. Also, a service level agreement (SLA) would help, as Chuck mentions. Does that message set a record for the number of acronyms used? :-) Priscilla The Long and Winding Road wrote: Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58574t=58568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl b [7:58568]
A benefit to DSL as backup is that you should immediately known when it goes down. This allows you to have the telco begin repairs while your primary circuit is functioning. With ISDN, if you don't use it very often there may be a problem with the line and/or equipment and you'd have no idea until the primary failed. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather not wait until my primary fails before I discover that my backup also is not functioning. This has happened a couple of times in the last year with ISDN and it's a little frustrating. So far, I haven't had an instance where a primary frame relay circuit was down at the same time as a DSL backup circuit except for when Backhoe Bob has attacked one of our locations and dug up the lines. In that case, ISDN would have failed as well so it's no big deal. John Priscilla Oppenheimer 12/4/02 2:49:11 PM It sounds like DSL has a low mean time between failure (MTBF) but a high mean time to repair (MTTR), which can be just as bad, especially if it's your only backup. Of course, your mileage may vary (YMMV), depending on the service provider. Also, a service level agreement (SLA) would help, as Chuck mentions. Does that message set a record for the number of acronyms used? :-) Priscilla The Long and Winding Road wrote: Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58576t=58568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58580]
thx for the heads up...we are researching dsl as a backup solution...we have 1500 sites on isdn backup we have tons of isdn telco issues -Original Message- From: The Long and Winding Road [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58568] Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58580t=58580 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl b [7:58568]
I say DSL has no multi-service (or very limited) capabilities. There isn't much in terms of QoS, LFI or other voice/video tools. Plus there is no QoS across the DSL network (if over Internet) and no standard nation-wide (no National provider). If you say, there is no voice going across network, or video, then you are doing your client a dis-service by providing no upgrade path towards that eventual path. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It sounds like DSL has a low mean time between failure (MTBF) but a high mean time to repair (MTTR), which can be just as bad, especially if it's your only backup. Of course, your mileage may vary (YMMV), depending on the service provider. Also, a service level agreement (SLA) would help, as Chuck mentions. Does that message set a record for the number of acronyms used? :-) Priscilla The Long and Winding Road wrote: Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58589t=58568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58598]
I would second Chuck on this. I have seen some folk with DSL backup when the backup didn't work. Always was something with the provider. If you go this route, make sure to test/use the DSL connection on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. Same could be said for ISDN though. I guess it all depends on how good your provider is :) My home DSL connection has been a roller coaster ride as well. --- Mirza, Timur wrote: thx for the heads up...we are researching dsl as a backup solution...we have 1500 sites on isdn backup we have tons of isdn telco issues -Original Message- From: The Long and Winding Road [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is there anyone migrating isdn backup to dsl backup [7:58568] Mirza, Timur wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... we are looking to migrate isdn backup at our retail stores to dsl...is there anyone that has performed this already? CL: having done a number of data networks that were DSL based ( but none migrating ISDN to DSL ) I can offer this consideration: if a DSL link goes down for whatever reason, it may take more than a couple of days for your telco to get it back up and working. You will want to have some solid service level agreements in place. DSL on the whole is extremely reliable. The problem tends to be during those rare instances when it is down for whatever reason, some telcos seem to have DSL repair low on their priority list. CL: other than that caviat, why not? Timur Mirza Principal Network Engineer Network Planning Engineering, West Region 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92618 Verizon Wireless 949.286.6623 (o) 949.697.7964 (c) [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58598t=58598 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frame with ISDN Backup [7:56449]
Hi All I need to know how you configure say, a 7200 Frame Relay Switch to use ISDN as backup !!! I don't know if you use some sort of HSRP variant, or Dialer Watch ??? I have absolutley no idea ... If anyone could tell me the name of the concept or the command line entry then I can read up and learn the rest .. Thanks in advance Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56449t=56449 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frame with ISDN Backup [7:56449]
Sounds like you are looking for DDR (Dial-on-Demand routing): http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk13/tk133/tech_protocol_family_home.html Let us know if you have any questions. -- Casey Fahey, CCNP, MCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul wrote in message news:200210291407.OAA32059;groupstudy.com... Hi All I need to know how you configure say, a 7200 Frame Relay Switch to use ISDN as backup !!! I don't know if you use some sort of HSRP variant, or Dialer Watch ??? I have absolutley no idea ... If anyone could tell me the name of the concept or the command line entry then I can read up and learn the rest .. Thanks in advance Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56456t=56449 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frame with ISDN Backup [7:56449]
Hmm...I just noticed something about what Paul is asking. He said he has a _frame relay switch_ that he wants to use ISDN as a backup. Paul, are you asking how to tunnel frame relay over ISDN? I believe this can be done but I don't recall the configuration. I remember at one time I had a configuration that allowed a frame PVC to be tunneled over an async port to allow one more port on my frame switch, but unfortunately I don't recall the details. I believe there is also a Cisco IOS feature that has something to do with frame relay over ISDN but I've never researched it. Is this what you're trying to accomplish? John Casey Fahey 10/29/02 8:23:25 AM Sounds like you are looking for DDR (Dial-on-Demand routing): http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk13/tk133/tech_protocol_family_home.html Let us know if you have any questions. -- Casey Fahey, CCNP, MCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul wrote in message news:200210291407.OAA32059;groupstudy.com... Hi All I need to know how you configure say, a 7200 Frame Relay Switch to use ISDN as backup !!! I don't know if you use some sort of HSRP variant, or Dialer Watch ??? I have absolutley no idea ... If anyone could tell me the name of the concept or the command line entry then I can read up and learn the rest .. Thanks in advance Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56459t=56449 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frame with ISDN Backup [7:56449]
Thanks for all your input guy's I think I confused the issue somewhat !! What I meant was that 'the 7200 is terminating frame relay circuits and not acting as a switch' !! (Thanks MADMAN), and that if the Frame fails the ISDN would immediately kick in to provide connectivity Anways ... I've got enough info from you all to start reading up ... Thankx again ... Kind regards Paul - Original Message - From: John Neiberger To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Frame with ISDN Backup [7:56449] Hmm...I just noticed something about what Paul is asking. He said he has a _frame relay switch_ that he wants to use ISDN as a backup. Paul, are you asking how to tunnel frame relay over ISDN? I believe this can be done but I don't recall the configuration. I remember at one time I had a configuration that allowed a frame PVC to be tunneled over an async port to allow one more port on my frame switch, but unfortunately I don't recall the details. I believe there is also a Cisco IOS feature that has something to do with frame relay over ISDN but I've never researched it. Is this what you're trying to accomplish? John Casey Fahey 10/29/02 8:23:25 AM Sounds like you are looking for DDR (Dial-on-Demand routing): http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk13/tk133/tech_protocol_family_home.html Let us know if you have any questions. -- Casey Fahey, CCNP, MCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul wrote in message news:200210291407.OAA32059;groupstudy.com... Hi All I need to know how you configure say, a 7200 Frame Relay Switch to use ISDN as backup !!! I don't know if you use some sort of HSRP variant, or Dialer Watch ??? I have absolutley no idea ... If anyone could tell me the name of the concept or the command line entry then I can read up and learn the rest .. Thanks in advance Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56462t=56449 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup for Frame-Relay [7:56114]
You can assign a single B channel to each remote site. Dave norsyam ariffin wrote: Hi guys, I need some advice on ISDN backup for Frame-Relay. How should I do if have 4 ISDN BRI and I want to configure each ISDN BRI as a backup for two sites each which use Frame-Relay. Means 4 ISDN BRI for 8 sites? Thank in advance Syam _ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. --Winston Churchill Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56146t=56114 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Backup for Frame-Relay [7:56114]
Hi guys, I need some advice on ISDN backup for Frame-Relay. How should I do if have 4 ISDN BRI and I want to configure each ISDN BRI as a backup for two sites each which use Frame-Relay. Means 4 ISDN BRI for 8 sites? Thank in advance Syam _ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56114t=56114 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Backup [7:50261]
I currently have 2 point to point links ruuning to the same place using eigrp as the routing protocol.I have added a isdn bri as backup but I don't want the isdn to kick in until both the point to point links drop. There is a serious routing issue with have 1 link up and the bri as the will load balance across and cause a loss of packets. If there are any config examples or documents or if anyonehas done this sort of config please send some info. Thanks _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=50261t=50261 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ISDN Backup [7:50261]
Shane Stockman wrote: I currently have 2 point to point links ruuning to the same place using eigrp as the routing protocol.I have added a isdn bri as backup but I don't want the isdn to kick in until both the point to point links drop. There is a serious routing issue with have 1 link up and the bri as the will load balance across and cause a loss of packets. If there are any config examples or documents or if anyonehas done this sort of config please send some info. Thanks Sounds like a case for floating static routes. Lets say that if both ptp links drop, you want site A to call site B. Presumably site A can usually see routes to various site B addresses via EIGRP (maybe even nicely summarised). On site A, set up a static route to a site B address (or to a summary - whatever matches your EIGRP routes), with an administrative distance of say 200, pointing to the dialer interface for the BRI (if you're using a dialer - or straight to the BRI). Then, if one ptp link drops, site A will still use the EIGRP route across the other ptp link. If both ptp links drop, the static route will kick in and send traffic via the ISDN. JMcL Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=50337t=50261 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Delay on ISDN Backup with Dialer Profiles !?!? [7:49441]
If I'm understanding correctly, I think that you're looking for something like that: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122newft/122t/122t8/ftrotdls.htm#11917, but it's a very new feature and I haven't tried it yet... With that command, you can rotate through several dialer strings, but I think that there's no possibility of configuring a delay between the calls.. hope this help. David Antonio Montana wrote: Sorry for the confusing diagram ;) router_1 connects to router_2 via FrameRelay router_1 connects to router_3 via FrameRelay All routers have ISDN connections need something like the backup delay xx yy command but for dialer interfaces ?!? cheers, monti Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49525t=49441 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Delay on ISDN Backup with Dialer Profiles !?!? [7:49441]
David, Thanks for the link ... but I can't use that feature because of the very hig IOS version. regards, monti Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49534t=49441 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delay on ISDN Backup with Dialer Profiles !?!? [7:49441]
Hi all, How can I configure a delay with dialer Profiles ?? Let's say I have a the following scenario with three routers (FR with OSPF). In case of the failure of the connection between router_3 and router_1 , either router_2 or router_3 can bring up an ISDN line. First it should come up the line between R1 and R3, but if after let's say 90sec the ISDN isn't up, router_2 should connect to router_3 via ISDN. So, how can I configure delay under int DialerXX ?? In every case router_3 should be the Called Router, and the others the calling routers ... router_2 * router_3 ** * * ** router_1 * on router_2 interface Dialer0 description ** ISDN Backup to router_3 ** ip address x.x.x.6 255.255.255.252 encapsulation ppp dialer remote-name router_3 dialer idle-timeout 300 dialer string 123456 dialer-group 1 - on router_1 interface Dialer0 description ** ISDN Backup to router_3 ** ip address z.z.z.2 255.255.255.252 encapsulation ppp dialer remote-name router_3 dialer idle-timeout 300 dialer string 123456 dialer-group 1 - on router_3 interface BRI0 description ** ISDN Backup to router_1/router_2 ** no ip address encapsulation ppp dialer pool-member 1 dialer pool-member 2 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap interface Dialer0 description ** ISDN Backup to router_1 ** ip address z.z.z.3 255.255.255.252 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 300 dialer pool 1 dialer map ip z.z.z.2 name router_1 broadcast dialer-group 1 ppp authentication chap interface Dialer1 description ** ISDN Backup to router_2 ** ip address x.x.x.7 255.255.255.252 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 300 dialer pool 2 dialer map ip x.x.x.6 name router_2 broadcast dialer-group 1 ppp authentication chap dialer list 1 . bla bla any ideas ?? cheers, monti Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49441t=49441 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Delay on ISDN Backup with Dialer Profiles !?!? [7:49441]
Sorry for the confusing diagram ;) router_1 connects to router_2 via FrameRelay router_1 connects to router_3 via FrameRelay All routers have ISDN connections need something like the backup delay xx yy command but for dialer interfaces ?!? cheers, monti Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49442t=49441 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Backup Question [7:34979]
Anyone out there done ISDN backup for a WAN running STUN over Frame Relay? I can't find a solution on the CCO. Any help would be most appreciated. This is apparently not a trivial configuration. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34979t=34979 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any idea how to configure ISDN backup with day time restriction [7:29646]
Hi, I looking to configure ISDN to backup a leased line, but I don't want to use the ISDN backup if the main line goes down during the night. Any idea if there is a way I can play with time inside the router to do that ? Thanks, _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29646t=29646 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any idea how to configure ISDN backup with day time [7:29651]
Sebastien Venturoso wrote: Hi, I looking to configure ISDN to backup a leased line, but I don't want to use the ISDN backup if the main line goes down during the night. Any idea if there is a way I can play with time inside the router to do that ? Thanks, _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29651t=29651 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Memo: Re: Any idea how to configure ISDN backup with day time [7:29655]
You can use time based access lists.First you create time range and use it in access list. but your ios must support ,version 120-7_T does. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29655t=29655 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any idea how to configure ISDN backup with day time [7:29656]
If this link presumably is not used off hours then there will be no interesting traffic to trigger the line hence it will not come up at night. Dave Sebastien Venturoso wrote: Hi, I looking to configure ISDN to backup a leased line, but I don't want to use the ISDN backup if the main line goes down during the night. Any idea if there is a way I can play with time inside the router to do that ? Thanks, _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Senior Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29656t=29656 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Any idea how to configure ISDN backup with day time [7:29664]
Use a time based access list as the dialer-list. dialer-list 1 protocol ip list 100 ! access-list 100 permit ip any any time-range dial-backup ! time-range dial-backup periodic weekdays 08:00 to 17:00 HTH, -Michael Cohen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sebastien Venturoso Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any idea how to configure ISDN backup with day time restriction [7:29646] Hi, I looking to configure ISDN to backup a leased line, but I don't want to use the ISDN backup if the main line goes down during the night. Any idea if there is a way I can play with time inside the router to do that ? Thanks, _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29664t=29664 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any idea how to configure ISDN backup with day time [7:29668]
Looks like the link in my original post got stripped out. Oops! http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/793/access_dial/10.html You can restrict the interesting traffic to specific time(s) of the day with the time-range command. The above link explains it pretty clearly. In case the url gets stripped out again, go to CCO and do a search on time based acl. It's the first page that comes up in the results. Sebastien Venturoso wrote: Hi, I looking to configure ISDN to backup a leased line, but I don't want to use the ISDN backup if the main line goes down during the night. Any idea if there is a way I can play with time inside the router to do that ? Thanks, _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29668t=29668 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
hi Check wheather u made backup interface configuration. In case if u use serial as primary ,u have to mention BRIS as backup. Hope I understood the question correctly. Regards Siva -Original Message- From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129] Your making it too hard, you don't need the dialer map but you do need a dialer string 1800111. Your not telling the interface where to call. Dave nettable_walker wrote: 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration... Current configuration : 1457 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Paris ! logging rate-limit console 10 except errors aaa new-model aaa authentication login default local aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local enable password cisco ! username New_York_City password 0 cisco username richard password 0 cisco username kaiser password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery ! ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 description line to ftp server ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ! interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 900 dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn x25 static-tei 0 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! router eigrp 100 network 10.0.0.0 network 170.17.0.0 auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 1 password cisco line vty 2 4 ! end Paris# -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Senior Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25177t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration... Current configuration : 1457 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Paris ! logging rate-limit console 10 except errors aaa new-model aaa authentication login default local aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local enable password cisco ! username New_York_City password 0 cisco username richard password 0 cisco username kaiser password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery ! ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 description line to ftp server ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ! interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 900 dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn x25 static-tei 0 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! router eigrp 100 network 10.0.0.0 network 170.17.0.0 auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 1 password cisco line vty 2 4 ! end Paris# Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25129t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
Hello, Try using the backup interface command under the serial interface. If the serial 0 is the primary then use the following config interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 backup interface bri 0 backup delay 5 25 (it will wait 5 sec before activating the backup line. Upon restoring of primary line, backup line will remaint active for 25 sec.) no fair-queue Try this. Faisal nettable_walker wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration... Current configuration : 1457 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Paris ! logging rate-limit console 10 except errors aaa new-model aaa authentication login default local aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local enable password cisco ! username New_York_City password 0 cisco username richard password 0 cisco username kaiser password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery ! ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 description line to ftp server ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ! interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 900 dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn x25 static-tei 0 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! router eigrp 100 network 10.0.0.0 network 170.17.0.0 auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 1 password cisco line vty 2 4 ! end Paris# Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25131t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
What are the results of show int bri0 and show isdn status? That might alert you to the problem. If you've posted the entire config then you definitely are missing at least one very important thing. Look at the results of that output and let us know if the router is even talking to the ISDN switch at the telco. (hint hint) :-) thanks, John nettable_walker 11/2/01 3:27:31 PM 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration... Current configuration : 1457 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Paris ! logging rate-limit console 10 except errors aaa new-model aaa authentication login default local aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local enable password cisco ! username New_York_City password 0 cisco username richard password 0 cisco username kaiser password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery ! ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 description line to ftp server ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ! interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 900 dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn x25 static-tei 0 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! router eigrp 100 network 10.0.0.0 network 170.17.0.0 auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 1 password cisco line vty 2 4 ! end Paris# Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25133t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
Where's the phone number to dial? I've always used a phone number after the broadcast statement. Like the following: dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast 17775551212 HTH Darren At 05:27 PM 11/2/2001 -0500, nettable_walker wrote: 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration... Current configuration : 1457 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Paris ! logging rate-limit console 10 except errors aaa new-model aaa authentication login default local aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local enable password cisco ! username New_York_City password 0 cisco username richard password 0 cisco username kaiser password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery ! ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 description line to ftp server ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ! interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 900 dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn x25 static-tei 0 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! router eigrp 100 network 10.0.0.0 network 170.17.0.0 auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 1 password cisco line vty 2 4 ! end Paris# x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx Lucent Technologies NetworkCare Professional Services http//www.lucent.com/netcare/ Darren S. Crawford - CCNA, CCDA, CCIE Written Northwest Region - Sacramento Office Voicemail (916) 859-5200 x310 Pager (800) 467-1467 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx You always have time for things you put first - Tucker Resources Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25138t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
You have no dial string and you also need to tell the router what interface you want backed up or use a floating static. nettable_walker wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration... Current configuration : 1457 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Paris ! logging rate-limit console 10 except errors aaa new-model aaa authentication login default local aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local enable password cisco ! username New_York_City password 0 cisco username richard password 0 cisco username kaiser password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery ! ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 description line to ftp server ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ! interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 900 dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn x25 static-tei 0 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! router eigrp 100 network 10.0.0.0 network 170.17.0.0 auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 1 password cisco line vty 2 4 ! end Paris# Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25148t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
I've seen the other replies to you post, and I'll give you a few other pieces of input. By the way, you really didn't give us any indication of what you saw as the output from the router - I'll just assume that you saw nothing. 1. From the configuration, it is not obvious what kind of ISDN switch you're using. Do you know if you need to add a statement to define the switch type? (I'd guess yes, unless the rules changed in 12.2) 2. Someone else indicated that you need to check the ISDN status using the appropriate show command. You'll learn something from doing that check. Mostly, you'll learn how to read the status of the ISDN circuit, and what the different fields indicate on the results of the show isdn status command. Learning the debug commands (debug isdn q921, debug isdn q931) are also valuable tools. Learn to use them to diagnose a problem. 3. Look at the purpose of the dialer map statement. Someone else indicated that you need to configure a destination phone number for that. I agree with that indication. Paris doesn't know what number to dial to reach New_York_City. 4. Someone suggested using backup-interface. I'd counsel you NOT to go down that road until you have the point-to-point ISDN configuration stable and it's coming up when you want it to. 5. Another person suggested that you add an administrative distance to your static route. That would be a good idea. When you do that, your ISDN circuit will come up only when the route for the serial link goes away (assuming that it's the only route to the other router) 6. Some switches prefer/require that you suffix the dialing numbers to the SPID assignments. Learn which switches need that kind of input. 7. What other resources have you used to learn configuration of ISDN? There are different layers of ISDN configuration. They are, in order of bottom to top: a. the ISDN physical connection itself (S/T interfaces require NT-1's or a simulator that has an S/T interface, U interfaces have a built-in NT-1) Cisco 2500 series routers (except the 2524/2525) have an S/T interface. The 2524/2525 has two flavors of modular BRI, S/T or U. Cisco 4000 series NP-4B and NP-8B have S/T interfaces. I'm not sure about the 26/3600 series, but I'm sure someone else on the list does know and might be willing to share that info. b. ISDN interface establishing communication with the ISDN switch (q921 signalling - requires the correct ISDN switch type configured and the proper physical connection) c. ISDN interface obtaining TEI (q931 signalling-requires the ISDN SPIDs configured properly) d. triggering the interface to dial (either IP or backup-interface or snapshot routing, requires the dialer-map and dialer-lists configured properly) e. encapsulation negotiation (ppp-requires both routers have a common encapsulation) f. authentication (chap-requires username/passwords used in the dialer-map statements match on both routers) g. IP routing (static or dynamic routes) over the interface (requires routing protocol including static to route to the correct destinations via the BRI interfaces). h. establishing multilink (requires the dialer-load statement) 8. Extraneous commands in a BRI configuration sometimes spell disaster, so take out anything that you don't absolutely need from a basic's perspective. Otherwise, your configuration is a good start. Unfortuately, incomplete BRI configurations don't work, and don't give you any indication of why they don't work. I'll refer you to a very valuable resource, which I still use when I get stuck on an ISDN configuration. It's Cisco's TAC page for ISDN Technology: http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/PSP/psp_view.pl?p=Internetworking:ISDN (watch the URL wrap) Here's a page with a very basic configuration that you can learn from, step by step: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/dial ts_c/dtsprt3/dcdbri.htm (watch the URL wrap) ISDN is a very complex configuration until you've mastered the basics, which means understanding the different layers of BRI configuration. I'd suggest that you study these pages, and then if it still doesn't work, c'mon back and post the configurations from both routers and the results of some of the show commands that you'll learn from reading the basic's pages. Good luck in your studies, and let us know what you learn about ISDN. -e- - Original Message - From: nettable_walker To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129] 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration
Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
Your making it too hard, you don't need the dialer map but you do need a dialer string 1800111. Your not telling the interface where to call. Dave nettable_walker wrote: 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the primary link goes done. When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. Any ideas ? I am sure it is a simple detail. Config follows: Paris#sho run Building configuration... Current configuration : 1457 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Paris ! logging rate-limit console 10 except errors aaa new-model aaa authentication login default local aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local enable password cisco ! username New_York_City password 0 cisco username richard password 0 cisco username kaiser password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery ! ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 description line to ftp server ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ! interface Serial0 description line to 2522_router ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 900 dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn x25 static-tei 0 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! router eigrp 100 network 10.0.0.0 network 170.17.0.0 auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 1 password cisco line vty 2 4 ! end Paris# -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Senior Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25160t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN backup problem [7:19894]
Hi all, I have a core router connected to 2 other regional routers, with only 1 ISDN backup. The config is as below: Unfortunately these 2 regional routers down at the same time and both keep trying to dial up the ISDN line. The result is both of them unable to get the connection. What should I do at the very first step? Pls advice. Thanks Router1 interface Serial0/0 backup delay 0 10 backup interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.100.50 255.255.255.252 no ip mroute-cache service-policy output llq ip rtp header-compression ! interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.95.3 255.255.255.240 encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.200.95.1 name Router_CORE broadcast 12345678 dialer load-threshold 20 outbound dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap Router2 interface Serial0/0 backup delay 0 10 backup interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.100.54 255.255.255.252 no ip mroute-cache service-policy output llq ip rtp header-compression ! interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.95.2 255.255.255.240 encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.200.95.1 name Router_CORE broadcast 12345678 dialer load-threshold 20 outbound dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap Router_CORE interface BRI4/0 ip address 172.200.95.1 255.255.255.240 encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.200.95.2 name Router1 broadcast dialer map ip 172.200.95.3 name Router2 broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap hold-queue 75 in regards alvin chong __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19894t=19894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN backup problem [7:19894]
Alvin, If I'm not mistaken you BRI circuits should have two(2) channels. Why not simply set R1 to dial the core on the 1st channel and R2 on the 2nd. Of course you would have to change the configuration on your core router for to support Dialer Profiles so you could receive both calls simultaneously If made the config additions you'll need below. I don't know what routing protocol you're using if any so I'd suggest using floating statics so as long as the primary path is down the ISDN circuit will be the default path out of the network. If there's a dynamic routing protocol(I'm thinking based on the broadcast keyword in the BRI config) already running between the core router and R1 and R2, I'm assuming the ISDN isn't configured based on you're use of the backup interface command. Anyway, just some thoughts and things to consider... NOTE: *** You could look at creating a loopback interface on the core router and using the ip unnumbered loopback command under the dialer profiles for each connection this way you maintain the existing IP scheme. The configs for R1 and R2 should stay pretty much the same except R1 will use the # for BRI line 1 on the CORE router and R2 will use the 2nd.. Router_CORE interface BRI4/0 no ip address encapsulation ppp dialer pool-member 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap hold-queue 75 in interface Dialer1 dialer string dialer-group 1 dialer pool 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap hold-queue 75 in b interface Dialer1 dialer string dialer-group 2 dialer pool 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap hold-queue 75 in dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit dialer-list 2 protocol ip list 101 access-list 101 permit ip any any - Original Message - From: Alvin Chong To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: ISDN backup problem [7:19894] Hi all, I have a core router connected to 2 other regional routers, with only 1 ISDN backup. The config is as below: Unfortunately these 2 regional routers down at the same time and both keep trying to dial up the ISDN line. The result is both of them unable to get the connection. What should I do at the very first step? Pls advice. Thanks Router1 interface Serial0/0 backup delay 0 10 backup interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.100.50 255.255.255.252 no ip mroute-cache service-policy output llq ip rtp header-compression ! interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.95.3 255.255.255.240 encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.200.95.1 name Router_CORE broadcast 12345678 dialer load-threshold 20 outbound dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap Router2 interface Serial0/0 backup delay 0 10 backup interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.100.54 255.255.255.252 no ip mroute-cache service-policy output llq ip rtp header-compression ! interface BRI0/0 ip address 172.200.95.2 255.255.255.240 encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.200.95.1 name Router_CORE broadcast 12345678 dialer load-threshold 20 outbound dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap Router_CORE interface BRI4/0 ip address 172.200.95.1 255.255.255.240 encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.200.95.2 name Router1 broadcast dialer map ip 172.200.95.3 name Router2 broadcast dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ppp authentication chap hold-queue 75 in regards alvin chong __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19898t=19894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Backup [7:14519]
Hi All, I am trying to configure isdn backup for a leased line. using bri as the backup without dialer. Am using static route. The isdn line is getting deactivated. Please suggest. Uttam [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of umajumdar.vcf] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14519t=14519 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Backup [7:14148]
Hi All, I am not able communicate between 2 routers when connected using the ISDN backup of a leased connection. My router IP's are - Router A S0/0 - 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.252 E0/0 - 10.4.10.50 255.255.255.0 ISDN - IP Unnumbered. Router B S0 - 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.252 E0 - 10.4.0.30 255.255.255.0 ISDN - IP Unnumbered. I hv used RIP for Networks - 10.0.0.0 192.168.0.0 Also hv used backup with dialer map. Please treat urgent Friends Thanks Uttam [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of karuna_nrich.vcf] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14148t=14148 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ISDN Backup [7:14148]
router a--routerb ok username routerb password same int e0/0 - 10.4.10.50 255.255.255.0 int so/0 - 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.252 backup interface dialer0 backup delay 60 40 backup load 128 20 int dialer 1 ip unnumbered e0 dialer group 1 dialer string dialer remote name routerb dialer pool 1 encapsulation ppp ppp authentication chap dialer load threshold 128 either ppp multilink dilaer hold-queue 10 int bri 0 encapsulation ppp ppp authentication chap dialer pool-member 1 dilaer-list 1 protocol ip list 101 access list 101 permit ip any any router eigrp 100 redistribute static network 10.4.10.0 network 192.168.1.0 passive interface dialer 0 ip route ( your remote network ) 192.168.1.2 let me know Best Regards Have A Good Day!! *** Farhan Ahmed* MCSE+I, MCP Win2k, CCDA, CCNA, CSE Network Engineer Mideast Data Systems Abudhabi Uae. *** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or Attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, Conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the Official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor Endorsed by it. -Original Message- From: Uttam Majumdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ISDN Backup [7:14148] Hi All, I am not able communicate between 2 routers when connected using the ISDN backup of a leased connection. My router IP's are - Router A S0/0 - 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.252 E0/0 - 10.4.10.50 255.255.255.0 ISDN - IP Unnumbered. Router B S0 - 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.252 E0 - 10.4.0.30 255.255.255.0 ISDN - IP Unnumbered. I hv used RIP for Networks - 10.0.0.0 192.168.0.0 Also hv used backup with dialer map. Please treat urgent Friends Thanks Uttam [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of karuna_nrich.vcf] [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Farhan Ahmed.vcf] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14159t=14148 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045]
thanks everybody. i am planning on using redistribute command on central router. however I cannot yet test this as i am still wiating for FR circuits to come up. thank u all, pat. --- Farhan Ahmed wrote: use redistribute command.. -Original Message- From: pat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045] Hello everyone: I have some routing issue here. I have central office with a core router sitting behind the PIX. All branch office (remote) routers connect to central router using frame relay ISDN as back up. Each branch office (having 1 Serial, 1 ISDN, 1 Eth Int) should be able get to any other branch office to Internet through PIX. All IPs used will be private PIX will be doing NAT. I am planning on having EIGRP to route between all routers over frame relay floating static route to trigger ISDN if FR goes down. This floating static route will be something like ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 200 (10.0.0.1 will be IP of central router) In each branch office router EIGRP will have Ethernet serial networks in it. This will make all internal routing fine when the network is on FR. But how do I route Internet traffic to core router so that it can send to PIX? I am already using default static route to core router, which I want to be used only when FR is down. Is there any way in EIGRP to propagate default route through network from core router? Thanks a lot, pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=13306t=13045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045]
use redistribute command.. -Original Message- From: pat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045] Hello everyone: I have some routing issue here. I have central office with a core router sitting behind the PIX. All branch office (remote) routers connect to central router using frame relay ISDN as back up. Each branch office (having 1 Serial, 1 ISDN, 1 Eth Int) should be able get to any other branch office to Internet through PIX. All IPs used will be private PIX will be doing NAT. I am planning on having EIGRP to route between all routers over frame relay floating static route to trigger ISDN if FR goes down. This floating static route will be something like ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 200 (10.0.0.1 will be IP of central router) In each branch office router EIGRP will have Ethernet serial networks in it. This will make all internal routing fine when the network is on FR. But how do I route Internet traffic to core router so that it can send to PIX? I am already using default static route to core router, which I want to be used only when FR is down. Is there any way in EIGRP to propagate default route through network from core router? Thanks a lot, pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=13068t=13045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045]
use floating statics for ISND with a higher metric than the default for the frame ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.10.10.1 (frame route) ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.11.10.1 250 (floating static mapping to ip of isdn on remote side a higher metric. route will only become valid if the other route disappears.) -Original Message- From: Farhan Ahmed To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/20/01 8:50 AM Subject: RE: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045] use redistribute command.. -Original Message- From: pat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045] Hello everyone: I have some routing issue here. I have central office with a core router sitting behind the PIX. All branch office (remote) routers connect to central router using frame relay ISDN as back up. Each branch office (having 1 Serial, 1 ISDN, 1 Eth Int) should be able get to any other branch office to Internet through PIX. All IPs used will be private PIX will be doing NAT. I am planning on having EIGRP to route between all routers over frame relay floating static route to trigger ISDN if FR goes down. This floating static route will be something like ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 200 (10.0.0.1 will be IP of central router) In each branch office router EIGRP will have Ethernet serial networks in it. This will make all internal routing fine when the network is on FR. But how do I route Internet traffic to core router so that it can send to PIX? I am already using default static route to core router, which I want to be used only when FR is down. Is there any way in EIGRP to propagate default route through network from core router? Thanks a lot, pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=13080t=13045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045]
why is redistribute command necessary..? should i redisribute static routes in each of EIGRP. thanks. --- Farhan Ahmed wrote: use redistribute command.. -Original Message- From: pat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045] Hello everyone: I have some routing issue here. I have central office with a core router sitting behind the PIX. All branch office (remote) routers connect to central router using frame relay ISDN as back up. Each branch office (having 1 Serial, 1 ISDN, 1 Eth Int) should be able get to any other branch office to Internet through PIX. All IPs used will be private PIX will be doing NAT. I am planning on having EIGRP to route between all routers over frame relay floating static route to trigger ISDN if FR goes down. This floating static route will be something like ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 200 (10.0.0.1 will be IP of central router) In each branch office router EIGRP will have Ethernet serial networks in it. This will make all internal routing fine when the network is on FR. But how do I route Internet traffic to core router so that it can send to PIX? I am already using default static route to core router, which I want to be used only when FR is down. Is there any way in EIGRP to propagate default route through network from core router? Thanks a lot, pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=13090t=13045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why ISDN backup line come up ? [7:12920]
Hello all. I have 2 routers connected using leased line.Now I am trying to put a ISDN backup ,but the backup line does not come up. The status of ISDN line when the serial int. is up ,is BRI2/2 is standby mode, line protocol is down and should change to up upon going the serial line down but it's status remain unchanged even the serial link goes down . I have configued the serial int with backup interface BRI2/2 backup delay 5 10 commands . Also i tried to simulate the situation by putting the modem at Router A off to trigger the backup ISDN call but it does not happen and the ISDN status remain in standyby mode only. Can anybody help whether anyadditional command needs to be put up in either Serial or Bri interfaces? I am giving here th configuration of both the routers, routerA# interface BRI2/2 description Backup connectivity ip address 172.16.128.49 255.255.255.252 no ip directed-broadcast encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.16.128.50 name routerB x dialer-group 2 isdn switch-type basic-net3 interface Serial1/3 description Leased link to RouterB bandwidth 128 backup delay 5 10 backup interface BRI2/2 ip address 172.16.128.17 255.255.255.252 no ip directed-broadcast no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache RouterB# interface BRI1/2 description Backup connectivity for RouterA ip address 172.16.128.50 255.255.255.252 encapsulation ppp no logging event subif-link-status dialer idle-timeout 3000 dialer wait-for-carrier-time 60 dialer map ip 172.16.128.49 name routerB YYY dialer-group 1 no fair-queue interface Serial0/0 ip address 172.16.128.18 255.255.255.252 logging event subif-link-status bandwidth 128 hold-queue 75 in Thanks in advance for help Regards Bware Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12920t=12920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why ISDN backup line come up ? [7:12920]
backup interface BRI2/2 backup delay 5 10 These are all thats required to specify backup interface, Have you tested the BRI? Have you added a route with a metric for the ISDN IP range ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10 Can't think of anything else. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why ISDN backup line come up ? [7:12920] Hello all. I have 2 routers connected using leased line.Now I am trying to put a ISDN backup ,but the backup line does not come up. The status of ISDN line when the serial int. is up ,is BRI2/2 is standby mode, line protocol is down and should change to up upon going the serial line down but it's status remain unchanged even the serial link goes down . I have configued the serial int with backup interface BRI2/2 backup delay 5 10 commands . Also i tried to simulate the situation by putting the modem at Router A off to trigger the backup ISDN call but it does not happen and the ISDN status remain in standyby mode only. Can anybody help whether anyadditional command needs to be put up in either Serial or Bri interfaces? I am giving here th configuration of both the routers, routerA# interface BRI2/2 description Backup connectivity ip address 172.16.128.49 255.255.255.252 no ip directed-broadcast encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.16.128.50 name routerB x dialer-group 2 isdn switch-type basic-net3 interface Serial1/3 description Leased link to RouterB bandwidth 128 backup delay 5 10 backup interface BRI2/2 ip address 172.16.128.17 255.255.255.252 no ip directed-broadcast no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache RouterB# interface BRI1/2 description Backup connectivity for RouterA ip address 172.16.128.50 255.255.255.252 encapsulation ppp no logging event subif-link-status dialer idle-timeout 3000 dialer wait-for-carrier-time 60 dialer map ip 172.16.128.49 name routerB YYY dialer-group 1 no fair-queue interface Serial0/0 ip address 172.16.128.18 255.255.255.252 logging event subif-link-status bandwidth 128 hold-queue 75 in Thanks in advance for help Regards Bware ** The information contained in this message is confidential and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems please notify the originator immediately. The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. This message and any attachments have been scanned for viruses. Orbiscom Ltd. will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being passed on. www.Orbiscom.com ** Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12923t=12920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Why ISDN backup line come up ? [7:12920]
Comments within and below. First, I noted that you used the backup interface command on a physical interface. Have you considered the idea of using dialer interfaces as the backup interface? When you do this, it offers you a little bit more flexibility. For example, I noted that your serial interface is a 128kbps link. You may want to explore the possibility of using a dialer interface for two purposes. One purpose would be to act as a backup interface. Another purpose could be to use it for additional bandwidth if your primary serial interface gets congested. Hello all. I have 2 routers connected using leased line.Now I am trying to put a ISDN backup ,but the backup line does not come up. The status of ISDN line when the serial int. is up ,is BRI2/2 is standby mode, line protocol is down and should change to up upon going the serial line down but it's status remain unchanged even the serial link goes down . You are correct. The issue is one of troubleshooting. Assuming you have a primary link filure, your backup interface should go active (up and up) after a 5 second delay that you configured. According to you this is not happening. You have not mentioned what troubleshooting steps you have taken. When you remove the backup interface command from the primary interface, what is the output from show isdn status? Are layers 1 and 2 good? Assuming they are good, when you place the backup interface command back on the primary interface, what happens when you do a debug dialer and a debug ppp neg after the primary link has been made to fail. Assuming you had a dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit statement near the end of your config [note- you didn't post your entire config, so I am guessing here] you should get a call placed to the other side. More below... I have configued the serial int with backup interface BRI2/2 backup delay 5 10 commands . Also i tried to simulate the situation by putting the modem at Router A off to trigger the backup ISDN call but it does not happen and the ISDN status remain in standyby mode only. Can anybody help whether anyadditional command needs to be put up in either Serial or Bri interfaces? I am giving here th configuration of both the routers, routerA# interface BRI2/2 description Backup connectivity ip address 172.16.128.49 255.255.255.252 no ip directed-broadcast encapsulation ppp dialer map ip 172.16.128.50 name routerB x dialer-group 2 isdn switch-type basic-net3 I noted that you set your encapsulation to ppp. That is fine. One of the many/several options for ppp is authentication. You indicated in your dialer map statement that you will be doing authentication by use of the name command. Unfortunately however, you have not specified what method is to be used on either end of the link. I would start with ppp auth chap. It ends to be more secure. interface Serial1/3 description Leased link to RouterB bandwidth 128 backup delay 5 10 backup interface BRI2/2 ip address 172.16.128.17 255.255.255.252 no ip directed-broadcast no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache How are you actually testing this? Since you didn't supply a full config, this is not readily apparent. For example, is there a LAN on the other side of router B? If so, what is the network address of the LAN interface? Where is the static (or other) route that points to this network? When you test your reachability, do you ping the other side of the WAN link, or the other side of the LAN network on router B? RouterB# interface BRI1/2 description Backup connectivity for RouterA ip address 172.16.128.50 255.255.255.252 encapsulation ppp no logging event subif-link-status dialer idle-timeout 3000 dialer wait-for-carrier-time 60 dialer map ip 172.16.128.49 name routerB YYY dialer-group 1 no fair-queue Here there is an additional problem. Look at the name command two lines above. The host name following the name command should be the target you are trying to authenticate, not yourself. Also, since you didn't post your entire config, I have no way of knowing whether you set the username/password lists for both routers. They would look like this and appear in the global config near the top: user RouterA pass sameone user RouterB pass sameone Note the passwords are the same, also referred to as a shared secret. interface Serial0/0 ip address 172.16.128.18 255.255.255.252 logging event subif-link-status bandwidth 128 hold-queue 75 in Thanks in advance for help Regards Bware This post has gotten kind of long. I will see if I can post an improved/enhanced config in a separate post, possibly later today as time permits. HTH, Paul Werner Get your own 800 number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form
Re: Subject: Why ISDN backup line come up ? [7:12920]
I ran into a similar problem. In my case, the issue was that I needed to add a route that the ISDN interface was performing backup for, give it a higher admin distance, so that it wouldn't bring up the backup interface unless the primary route failed, and assign it to the interface. Hope that helps. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=13035t=12920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
routing issue with ISDN backup [7:13045]
Hello everyone: I have some routing issue here. I have central office with a core router sitting behind the PIX. All branch office (remote) routers connect to central router using frame relay ISDN as back up. Each branch office (having 1 Serial, 1 ISDN, 1 Eth Int) should be able get to any other branch office to Internet through PIX. All IPs used will be private PIX will be doing NAT. I am planning on having EIGRP to route between all routers over frame relay floating static route to trigger ISDN if FR goes down. This floating static route will be something like ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 200 (10.0.0.1 will be IP of central router) In each branch office router EIGRP will have Ethernet serial networks in it. This will make all internal routing fine when the network is on FR. But how do I route Internet traffic to core router so that it can send to PIX? I am already using default static route to core router, which I want to be used only when FR is down. Is there any way in EIGRP to propagate default route through network from core router? Thanks a lot, pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=13045t=13045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Why ISDN backup line come up ? [7:13061]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:50:38 -0400 From: Paul Werner Subject: Re: Subject: Why ISDN backup line come up ? [7:12920] --SNIP- I will see if I can post an improved/enhanced config in a separate post, possibly later today as time permits. I went ahead and took your existing configs and preserved as much as I could from them. I added the functionality of dialer profiles to the config. This gave three direct benefits. First, your ISDN interface will no longer be in a down status because it is a named standby interface. Second, it allows you to use the ISDN interface to possibly back up a second serial line should you install one later. Lastly, through the use of Cisco magic and a few extra lines of configuration, I was also able to set up your BRI interface to act as a Bandwidth on demand interface in the event that your primary WAN link gets congested. Here they are: RouterA#sh ru Building configuration... Current configuration : 1497 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname RouterA ! enable password cisco ! username RouterB password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger no ip domain-lookup ! isdn switch-type basic-5ess ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 172.16.128.49 255.255.255.255 ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 192.168.1.83 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache ! interface Serial0 description Leased link to RouterB bandwidth 128 backup delay 5 10 backup interface Dialer1 backup load 50 10 ip address 172.16.128.17 255.255.255.252 no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache clockrate 148000 ! interface Serial1 no ip address no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache shutdown ! interface BRI0 description Backup link to RouterB no ip address encapsulation ppp dialer pool-member 1 isdn switch-type basic-5ess ppp authentication chap no fair-queue ppp multilink ! interface Dialer1 ip unnumbered Loopback0 dialer pool 1 dialer remote-name RouterB dialer string 88001 dialer-group 1 ! router rip network 172.16.0.0 network 192.168.1.0 ! ip classless no ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password cisco login ! end Here is B: RouterB#sh ru Building configuration... Current configuration : 1790 bytes ! version 12.2 no service single-slot-reload-enable service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname RouterB ! enable password cisco ! username RouterA password 0 cisco ip subnet-zero no ip finger no ip domain-lookup ! no ip dhcp-client network-discovery isdn switch-type basic-5ess ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 172.16.128.50 255.255.255.255 ! interface Ethernet0 mac-address .0c00.2520 ip address 192.168.2.83 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache ! interface Serial0 description Leased link to RouterA bandwidth 128 backup delay 5 10 backup interface Dialer1 backup load 50 10 ip address 172.16.128.18 255.255.255.252 no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache ! interface Serial1 no ip address no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache shutdown ! interface BRI0 description Backup connectivity to RouterA no ip address encapsulation ppp no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache dialer pool-member 1 isdn switch-type basic-5ess no fair-queue ppp authentication chap ppp multilink ! interface Dialer1 ip unnumbered Loopback0 dialer pool 1 dialer remote-name RouterA dialer string 87001 dialer-group 1 ! router rip network 172.16.0.0 network 192.168.2.0 ! ip classless no ip http server ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! ! line con 0 logging synchronous transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password cisco login ! end The testing for the first part was to get an autoping going for 20,000 pings. Once it go started, I pulled out the serial connection. Prior to doing this, I turned on the following debugs: debug isdn q931 debug dialer debug ppp neg None of the debugs were necessary, unless something didn't work; I just thought it was fascinating to watch so much business go by while the interface was changing state. For brevity, I omitted all debugs. Here goes: RouterB#pi Protocol [ip]: Target IP address: 192.168.1.83 Repeat count [5]: 2 Datagram size [100]: Timeout in seconds [2]: Extended commands [n]: Sweep range of sizes [n]: Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 2, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 192.168.1.83, timeout is 2 seconds: !! ..!! !! !! !! The dots above represented several things. It was the time required for the router to figure out the primary interface
ISDN Backup [7:4462]
Just wanted to let the group know of a little trick I came across this weekend. I have an ISDN line that I hooked up to a NT1 with two S/T interfaces. I was able to connect 2 2504's back to back through the telco cloud. Each router pulled one TEI each. This makes it possible to perform dial-backup and other isdn simulations without paying for 2 isdn lines (just can't do multilink) or buying an expensive ISDN sumulator. Just thought I would share because I have never come across this configuration before. Jeff Ambern Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4462t=4462 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup [7:4462]
Great idea! Now, if only you didn't have to pay for an ISDN usage charges since you're calling yourself ;-) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Ambern, Jeff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Just wanted to let the group know of a little trick I came across this weekend. I have an ISDN line that I hooked up to a NT1 with two S/T interfaces. I was able to connect 2 2504's back to back through the telco cloud. Each router pulled one TEI each. This makes it possible to perform dial-backup and other isdn simulations without paying for 2 isdn lines (just can't do multilink) or buying an expensive ISDN sumulator. Just thought I would share because I have never come across this configuration before. Jeff Ambern FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4463t=4462 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup [7:4462]
Hi Depends who your provider is. For example in QWest land all local ISDN calls are not charged a usage fee. HTH -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Jason Roysdon wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Great idea! Now, if only you didn't have to pay for an ISDN usage charges since you're calling yourself ;-) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Ambern, Jeff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Just wanted to let the group know of a little trick I came across this weekend. I have an ISDN line that I hooked up to a NT1 with two S/T interfaces. I was able to connect 2 2504's back to back through the telco cloud. Each router pulled one TEI each. This makes it possible to perform dial-backup and other isdn simulations without paying for 2 isdn lines (just can't do multilink) or buying an expensive ISDN sumulator. Just thought I would share because I have never come across this configuration before. Jeff Ambern FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4476t=4462 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup [7:4462]
Very cool. I know within our company custom Centrex group that's the case as well, but not all local calls, just calls between our Centrex lines. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ John Hardman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi Depends who your provider is. For example in QWest land all local ISDN calls are not charged a usage fee. HTH -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Jason Roysdon wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Great idea! Now, if only you didn't have to pay for an ISDN usage charges since you're calling yourself ;-) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Ambern, Jeff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Just wanted to let the group know of a little trick I came across this weekend. I have an ISDN line that I hooked up to a NT1 with two S/T interfaces. I was able to connect 2 2504's back to back through the telco cloud. Each router pulled one TEI each. This makes it possible to perform dial-backup and other isdn simulations without paying for 2 isdn lines (just can't do multilink) or buying an expensive ISDN sumulator. Just thought I would share because I have never come across this configuration before. Jeff Ambern FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4478t=4462 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup [7:4462]
Yes, its worthwhile. Alot of people find that paying for an NT1 and an ISDN line is cheaper than the simulator. But with the simulator you can do dial-backup, BOD, multilink, etc. Brian On Mon, 14 May 2001, Ambern, Jeff wrote: Just wanted to let the group know of a little trick I came across this weekend. I have an ISDN line that I hooked up to a NT1 with two S/T interfaces. I was able to connect 2 2504's back to back through the telco cloud. Each router pulled one TEI each. This makes it possible to perform dial-backup and other isdn simulations without paying for 2 isdn lines (just can't do multilink) or buying an expensive ISDN sumulator. Just thought I would share because I have never come across this configuration before. Jeff Ambern FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny,CCDP,CCNP+VAS Scarlett Parria [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 318-213-4709 318-213-4701 Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net 333 Texas St. VISA/MC/AMEX/COD Suite 140130 day warranty Shreveport, LA 71101 Cisco Channel Partner p: 318-212-0245 f: 318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4486t=4462 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Backup
Hi all, I have a problem!!! Maybe stupidity maybe not. I try and put backup interface on my serial port and it doesn't accept it. Same with backup delay. Any ideas? Regards Savvas _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: ISDN Backup
Hi again, Does the fact that I am using a 1603 instead of a 2600 or 1601 make a difference. Regards Savvas _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup
HI Savvras, I have done with a Cisco 1603R with IOS 12.07 and works fine. I have configured an ISDN as a serial backup. Regards. Pere Pla ""Savvas Themistocleous"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi again, Does the fact that I am using a 1603 instead of a 2600 or 1601 make a difference. Regards Savvas _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re : ISDN Backup
You don't need to use the backup delay command if you're using floating static routes for backup, in fact I'm not sure that it will actually do anything (how does it know what the secondary interface is without a backup interface command?), but I've never actually tried using it with floating statics. Using floating statics, how quickly the backup line kicks in should depend on the convergence time of your routing protocol and design. EIGRP should be pretty quick, generally. What puzzles me, though, is the statement 'isdn backup is not able to activate (momentarily activates and then disconnects)'. Do you mean that the ISDN call doesn't work, or that the call is disconnecting before the idle timer expires or what? Generally (depending on bits of the config that you haven't shown), if the serial link goes down for long enough for the routing table to point to the ISDN instead, the ISDN will call and will stay up for at least 120 seconds (default idle time), even if the routing quickly reconverges back to the serial. If the serial link goes down (or has errors) for such a short period that the routing table does not point to the ISDN, then the ISDN won't call at all. Does it work OK when the serial link goes down and stays down? If so, how quickly does the ISDN activate? If the serial link is flapping, is the ISDN call (including PPP negotiation if you're using PPP) successful? debug isdn q931 and debug ppp neg or debug ppp auth may show any connection problems, and debug dialer may show why it is disconnecting. JMcL -- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 14/12/2000 09:06 am --- Jim Barksdale [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com on 14/12/2000 04:28:45 am Please respond to Jim Barksdale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Re : ISDN Backup You do not have to use the BACKUP INTERFACE command, that is just another way of doing it. I like the floating static commands much better, I can test the ISDN connectivity without having to take the serial interface down. And the Backup Interface command does not work very well in a frame relay situation. I do agree you need to add the commands for Backup Delay, both for going to ISDN and going back to the primary. As for preventing the WWW traffic when on ISDN, apply an access list to the BRI to prevent it. Taiwo Adeshugba wrote: I think you are missing some commands from the config on your router. if you want to back up the interface you have to use the BACKUP INTERFACE command on the primary interface. And to have a threshold level you need to use the command BACKUP DELAY, and for the threshold you need to use the command BACKUP LOAD which will be a percentage of the primary line's available bandwidth that the traffic load must exceed to enable dial backup. The best thing is to send the output of the Running congfig and we can take it from there as I think I am walking blindly into this. Tai -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amit Gupta Sent: 13 December 2000 11:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re : ISDN Backup Hi All, I am using the following config on my router. router eigrp xxx redistribute static passive-interface BRI1/0 network x.x.x.x distribute-list 2 out Serial0/0 ! ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/0 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 bri1/0 150 I am using ISDN as the backup interface. The problem is that when my Serial link is erratic (not down), isdn backup is not able to activate (momentarily activates and then disconnects) what feature should I use to activate my backup immediately as soon as it senses a break in the serial link. Can I set some threshold level? Secondly I wanted to stop the www traffic when my ISDN backup is up ?? Any suggestions. Thanks Regards Amit __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re : ISDN Backup
Hi jenny, Yes, I agree that with floating static routes backup delay command would not work. When my serial link is completely down then the ISDN backup works perfectly well. It is only when the serial link is flapping that the real problem comes up as neither the condition of the link is good enough to handle the load nor does it allow ISDN to takeover. In such situations how can I prevent downtime by allowing the ISDN to take the load. Secondly I wanted to increase the ISDN bandwidth by adding more ISDN lines.( The present bw is 128kbps (multilink enabled) Any hints/suggestions on that would also be appreciated. Thanks Regards Amit You don't need to use the backup delay command if you're using floating static routes for backup, in fact I'm not sure that it will actually do anything (how does it know what the secondary interface is without a backup interface command?), but I've never actually tried using it with floating statics. Using floating statics, how quickly the backup line kicks in should depend on the convergence time of your routing protocol and design. EIGRP should be pretty quick, generally. What puzzles me, though, is the statement 'isdn backup is not able to activate (momentarily activates and then disconnects)'. Do you mean that the ISDN call doesn't work, or that the call is disconnecting before the idle timer expires or what? Generally (depending on bits of the config that you haven't shown), if the serial link goes down for long enough for the routing table to point to the ISDN instead, the ISDN will call and will stay up for at least 120 seconds (default idle time), even if the routing quickly reconverges back to the serial. If the serial link goes down (or has errors) for such a short period that the routing table does not point to the ISDN, then the ISDN won't call at all. Does it work OK when the serial link goes down and stays down? If so, how quickly does the ISDN activate? If the serial link is flapping, is the ISDN call (including PPP negotiation if you're using PPP) successful? debug isdn q931 and debug ppp neg or debug ppp auth may show any connection problems, and debug dialer may show why it is disconnecting. JMcL -- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 14/12/2000 09:06 am --- Jim Barksdale [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com on 14/12/2000 04:28:45 am Please respond to Jim Barksdale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Re : ISDN Backup You do not have to use the BACKUP INTERFACE command, that is just another way of doing it. I like the floating static commands much better, I can test the ISDN connectivity without having to take the serial interface down. And the Backup Interface command does not work very well in a frame relay situation. I do agree you need to add the commands for Backup Delay, both for going to ISDN and going back to the primary. As for preventing the WWW traffic when on ISDN, apply an access list to the BRI to prevent it. Taiwo Adeshugba wrote: I think you are missing some commands from the config on your router. if you want to back up the interface you have to use the BACKUP INTERFACE command on the primary interface. And to have a threshold level you need to use the command BACKUP DELAY, and for the threshold you need to use the command BACKUP LOAD which will be a percentage of the primary line's available bandwidth that the traffic load must exceed to enable dial backup. The best thing is to send the output of the Running congfig and we can take it from there as I think I am walking blindly into this. Tai -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amit Gupta Sent: 13 December 2000 11:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re : ISDN Backup Hi All, I am using the following config on my router. router eigrp xxx redistribute static passive-interface BRI1/0 network x.x.x.x distribute-list 2 out Serial0/0 ! ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/0 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 bri1/0 150 I am using ISDN as the backup interface. The problem is that when my Serial link is erratic (not down), isdn backup is not able to activate (momentarily activates and then disconnects) what feature should I use to activate my backup immediately as soon as it senses a break in the serial link. Can I set some threshold level? Secondly I wanted to stop the www traffic when my ISDN backup is up ?? Any suggestions. Thanks Regards Amit __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re : ISDN Backup
Hi All, I am using the following config on my router. router eigrp xxx redistribute static passive-interface BRI1/0 network x.x.x.x distribute-list 2 out Serial0/0 ! ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/0 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 bri1/0 150 I am using ISDN as the backup interface. The problem is that when my Serial link is erratic (not down), isdn backup is not able to activate (momentarily activates and then disconnects) what feature should I use to activate my backup immediately as soon as it senses a break in the serial link. Can I set some threshold level? Secondly I wanted to stop the www traffic when my ISDN backup is up ?? Any suggestions. Thanks Regards Amit __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re : ISDN Backup
I think you are missing some commands from the config on your router. if you want to back up the interface you have to use the BACKUP INTERFACE command on the primary interface. And to have a threshold level you need to use the command BACKUP DELAY, and for the threshold you need to use the command BACKUP LOAD which will be a percentage of the primary line's available bandwidth that the traffic load must exceed to enable dial backup. The best thing is to send the output of the Running congfig and we can take it from there as I think I am walking blindly into this. Tai -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amit Gupta Sent: 13 December 2000 11:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re : ISDN Backup Hi All, I am using the following config on my router. router eigrp xxx redistribute static passive-interface BRI1/0 network x.x.x.x distribute-list 2 out Serial0/0 ! ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/0 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 bri1/0 150 I am using ISDN as the backup interface. The problem is that when my Serial link is erratic (not down), isdn backup is not able to activate (momentarily activates and then disconnects) what feature should I use to activate my backup immediately as soon as it senses a break in the serial link. Can I set some threshold level? Secondly I wanted to stop the www traffic when my ISDN backup is up ?? Any suggestions. Thanks Regards Amit __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re : ISDN Backup
You do not have to use the BACKUP INTERFACE command, that is just another way of doing it. I like the floating static commands much better, I can test the ISDN connectivity without having to take the serial interface down. And the Backup Interface command does not work very well in a frame relay situation. I do agree you need to add the commands for Backup Delay, both for going to ISDN and going back to the primary. As for preventing the WWW traffic when on ISDN, apply an access list to the BRI to prevent it. Taiwo Adeshugba wrote: I think you are missing some commands from the config on your router. if you want to back up the interface you have to use the BACKUP INTERFACE command on the primary interface. And to have a threshold level you need to use the command BACKUP DELAY, and for the threshold you need to use the command BACKUP LOAD which will be a percentage of the primary line's available bandwidth that the traffic load must exceed to enable dial backup. The best thing is to send the output of the Running congfig and we can take it from there as I think I am walking blindly into this. Tai -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amit Gupta Sent: 13 December 2000 11:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re : ISDN Backup Hi All, I am using the following config on my router. router eigrp xxx redistribute static passive-interface BRI1/0 network x.x.x.x distribute-list 2 out Serial0/0 ! ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/0 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 bri1/0 150 I am using ISDN as the backup interface. The problem is that when my Serial link is erratic (not down), isdn backup is not able to activate (momentarily activates and then disconnects) what feature should I use to activate my backup immediately as soon as it senses a break in the serial link. Can I set some threshold level? Secondly I wanted to stop the www traffic when my ISDN backup is up ?? Any suggestions. Thanks Regards Amit __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Backup Configs
Looking for alternate examples of ISDN backup for a serial line. Have tried six or so cisco config examples with varying degrees of success. Floating statics have given the best results so far. Anyone have good experiences with route watch or other styles of configs? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup
Why would you need to have primary router and backup router implementing HSRP even if you had primary interface and backup interface? You could do it with one router instead of two. jw --- michael owuor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, What are the specific problems you are seeing the T1 comes back up? The only routing issues I would look for would be to make sure you have recursive routing configured wherever you have IP unnumbered configured. Either that, or I would get rid of ip unnumbered alltogether since this is a private network, and there is no risk of running out of IP address space. Does the ISDN router have a recursive host route to the 2.1 address which says it is reachable through the BRI/dialer? I think the easiest/cleanest way to do his would be to run the routing protocol, and have the Remote ISDN router do the dialing when needed. Have the Central router advertise a default route to the Remote T1 router, which would also have the floating default route pointing to the ISDN Router. When the T1 connection is lost, the floating static route is installed, and traffic is directed to the ISDN router which only needs a static default route going out its BRI. Since the remote routers share a LAN segment, you could also look into implementing HSRP where the Remote T1 router is confiured as the active router, and therefore receives all traffic from the LAN users who need to get to the Central site. If that router fails, or if the T1 interface goes down, the ISDN router now becomes the active router and receives the traffic from the LAN users and sends it out the ISDN interface. A combination of floating static routes with a dynamic rouing protocol and HSRP is a good design to go with, since you achive redundancy on layer 1, 2 and 3. Floating statics with a routing protocol ensure the Remote T1 router is notified when, for example, the T1 interface on the central site goes down. In such a case, the T1 interface on the Remote could stay up and floating statics alone would not notify the Remote T1 router of the loss of connection. The dynamic routing protocol will. HSRP allows the ISDN router to be notified when the T1 interface or the ethernet interface on the Remote T1 router goes down, or when the entire router fails. michael a.o From: "Chris Sees" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Chris Sees" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ISDN Backup Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:21:21 -0500 Hi, I'm having some issues with ISDN backup failover and hopefully someone has done this before. -Central site with a dedicated T1 through serial int. to Remote site router -Central site also has a ISDN to Remote site to a second router The Central serial has the BRI as a backup. Also, we are NOT using RIP (although this is not out of the question) When we pull the T1 the ISDN comes up and everything seems fine. But when the T1 is put back, there are very weird things happening. I'm pretty sure its routing, so I've include the route commands of each router. Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Chris Central Router 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.10 ---This route goes to the internet ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 123.123.123.1 -- This goes to the Remote site through the T1 router ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 Dialer1 50 -- This goes to Remote site through ISDN router Remote Site T1 Router ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 123.123.123.2 - Goes to Central T1 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.2 50 - Goes to Central through Remote ISDN (192.168.1.2 is LAN side of ISDN router) Remote site ISDN Router ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 - 2.1 is ethernet side of Central router (ipunnumbered over ISDN) Hope this is clear enough. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nond
ISDN Backup
Hi, I'm having some issues with ISDN backup failover and hopefully someone has done this before. -Central site with a dedicated T1 through serial int. to Remote site router -Central site also has a ISDN to Remote site to a second router The Central serial has the BRI as a backup. Also, we are NOT using RIP (although this is not out of the question) When we pull the T1 the ISDN comes up and everything seems fine. But when the T1 is put back, there are very weird things happening. I'm pretty sure its routing, so I've include the route commands of each router. Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Chris Central Router 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.10 ---This route goes to the internet ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 123.123.123.1 -- This goes to the Remote site through the T1 router ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 Dialer1 50 -- This goes to Remote site through ISDN router Remote Site T1 Router ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 123.123.123.2 - Goes to Central T1 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.2 50 - Goes to Central through Remote ISDN (192.168.1.2 is LAN side of ISDN router) Remote site ISDN Router ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 - 2.1 is ethernet side of Central router (ipunnumbered over ISDN) Hope this is clear enough. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Backup
Chris, What are the specific problems you are seeing the T1 comes back up? The only routing issues I would look for would be to make sure you have recursive routing configured wherever you have IP unnumbered configured. Either that, or I would get rid of ip unnumbered alltogether since this is a private network, and there is no risk of running out of IP address space. Does the ISDN router have a recursive host route to the 2.1 address which says it is reachable through the BRI/dialer? I think the easiest/cleanest way to do his would be to run the routing protocol, and have the Remote ISDN router do the dialing when needed. Have the Central router advertise a default route to the Remote T1 router, which would also have the floating default route pointing to the ISDN Router. When the T1 connection is lost, the floating static route is installed, and traffic is directed to the ISDN router which only needs a static default route going out its BRI. Since the remote routers share a LAN segment, you could also look into implementing HSRP where the Remote T1 router is confiured as the active router, and therefore receives all traffic from the LAN users who need to get to the Central site. If that router fails, or if the T1 interface goes down, the ISDN router now becomes the active router and receives the traffic from the LAN users and sends it out the ISDN interface. A combination of floating static routes with a dynamic rouing protocol and HSRP is a good design to go with, since you achive redundancy on layer 1, 2 and 3. Floating statics with a routing protocol ensure the Remote T1 router is notified when, for example, the T1 interface on the central site goes down. In such a case, the T1 interface on the Remote could stay up and floating statics alone would not notify the Remote T1 router of the loss of connection. The dynamic routing protocol will. HSRP allows the ISDN router to be notified when the T1 interface or the ethernet interface on the Remote T1 router goes down, or when the entire router fails. michael a.o From: "Chris Sees" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Chris Sees" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ISDN Backup Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:21:21 -0500 Hi, I'm having some issues with ISDN backup failover and hopefully someone has done this before. -Central site with a dedicated T1 through serial int. to Remote site router -Central site also has a ISDN to Remote site to a second router The Central serial has the BRI as a backup. Also, we are NOT using RIP (although this is not out of the question) When we pull the T1 the ISDN comes up and everything seems fine. But when the T1 is put back, there are very weird things happening. I'm pretty sure its routing, so I've include the route commands of each router. Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Chris Central Router 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.10 ---This route goes to the internet ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 123.123.123.1 -- This goes to the Remote site through the T1 router ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 Dialer1 50 -- This goes to Remote site through ISDN router Remote Site T1 Router ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 123.123.123.2 - Goes to Central T1 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.2 50 - Goes to Central through Remote ISDN (192.168.1.2 is LAN side of ISDN router) Remote site ISDN Router ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 - 2.1 is ethernet side of Central router (ipunnumbered over ISDN) Hope this is clear enough. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN backup for increased bandwidth
We have a site with a quirky FRelay burst pattern. Although they burst very rarely, the uers seem to all be all too aware of the times when it is happening. Our usage numbers dont justify bumping up their CIR so I've been investigating alternatives. I was wondering if anyone out there uses ISDN backup to provide more bandwith when the FRelay circuits get saturated. This seems like it might be a good solution since it could help out during episodes of bursting. But is it practical financially? How much more expensive if an ISDN connection than a Frame Relayat 128k CIR? This particular site would be calling from Boston to Santa Clara. Any insights, comments, etc are greatly appreciated. If I get enough responses, I'll post a summary. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
isdn backup
Greetings all, Got a question on routing with ISDN backup. Could someone shed some light on how to properly implement the backup command with routing? I'm using the backup command, and ip unnumber for both primary and backup interfaces. int loop 0 R3 int s0/0-primary--int s2 R5 int loop 0 (5.0.0.5) int di1---backup---int di1 Below is config. What static route can I use to complete the routing to the remote end? Because unnumbered addresses is use, I'm unsure what the static route should look like. The only thing I can think of is using floating static, but that sort of defeat the purpose of the backup command. ClueLess ! hostname r3 ! interface Loopback0 ip address 3.0.0.3 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ! interface Serial0/0 backup interface Dialer1 ip unnumbered Loopback0 no ip directed-broadcast clockrate 64000 ! interface BRI0/0 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast encapsulation ppp dialer pool-member 3 isdn switch-type basic-ts013 isdn answer1 :3 ppp authentication chap ! interface Dialer1 ip unnumbered Loopback0 no ip directed-broadcast encapsulation ppp dialer remote-name r5 dialer string :5 dialer pool 3 dialer-group 1 ppp authentication chap ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit r3#sh ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route, o - ODR Gateway of last resort is not set 3.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 3.0.0.0 is directly connected, Loopback0 r3# __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: isdn backup
What are you trying to backup here? I don't see any routing. Start with a working primary first and I can probably give you suggestions for a solution. Roughly, what you need are two static routes with different weights so the primary is favored, and the backup is much more costlier, or, set the dialer as the default route with a static 0.0.0.0 pointing to the primary, that way, when the primary disappears, the static leaves the table and the dialer goes up. remember to write an access list on the dialer to prevent dialing for RIP updates, etc. depending on what type of traffic you have traversing the router. -Erik - Original Message - From: "Clue Less" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: isdn backup | Greetings all, | | Got a question on routing with ISDN backup. Could | someone shed some light on how to properly implement | the backup command with routing? | | I'm using the backup command, and ip unnumber for both | primary and backup interfaces. | | int loop 0 R3 int s0/0-primary--int s2 R5 | int loop 0 (5.0.0.5) | int di1---backup---int di1 | | Below is config. | | What static route can I use to complete the routing to | the remote end? Because unnumbered addresses is use, | I'm unsure what the static route should look like. | The only thing I can think of is using floating | static, but that sort of defeat the purpose of the | backup command. | | | ClueLess | | ! | hostname r3 | ! | interface Loopback0 | ip address 3.0.0.3 255.255.255.0 | no ip directed-broadcast | ! | interface Serial0/0 | backup interface Dialer1 | ip unnumbered Loopback0 | no ip directed-broadcast | clockrate 64000 | ! | interface BRI0/0 | no ip address | no ip directed-broadcast | encapsulation ppp | dialer pool-member 3 | isdn switch-type basic-ts013 | isdn answer1 :3 | ppp authentication chap | ! | interface Dialer1 | ip unnumbered Loopback0 | no ip directed-broadcast | encapsulation ppp | dialer remote-name r5 | dialer string :5 | dialer pool 3 | dialer-group 1 | ppp authentication chap | ! | dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit | | r3#sh ip route | Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M | - mobile, B - BGP |D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - | OSPF inter area |N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA | external type 2 |E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external | type 2, E - EGP |i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS | level-2, * - candidate default |U - per-user static route, o - ODR | | Gateway of last resort is not set | | 3.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets | C 3.0.0.0 is directly connected, Loopback0 | r3# | **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: isdn backup
Hi Erik,
I am just trying this out at this stage. For discussion sake, say I
want to get from r3 to network 2.0.0.0 which is on ethernet of R5:
r3-s0/0--primarys2 r5 ---e1 (2.0.0.0/8)
di1---backup---di1
till using unnumber loop 0 for both primary and backup int.
If static route is to be use, what should it look like?
Your first solution below is using floating static, which I know it
would work. But is there a way to do it without floating static?
Cause if floating static is use, the "backup" command seems
unneccessary.
Not exactly sure what you mean on the second solution, could you
provide sample config?
I got eigrp instead of static route to work earlier, was a bit
surprise to see r3, r5 form neighbor even though they're on different
subnet. r3 (3.0.0.3) r5 (5.0.0.5). does anyone know if this is
right?
ClueLess.
On 21 Sep 2000 12:34:51 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Erik Mintz")
wrote:
What are you trying to backup here? I don't see any routing. Start with a
working primary first and I can probably give you suggestions for a
solution.
Roughly, what you need are two static routes with different weights so the
primary is favored, and the backup is much more costlier, or, set the dialer
as the default route with a static 0.0.0.0 pointing to the primary, that
way, when the primary disappears, the static leaves the table and the dialer
goes up. remember to write an access list on the dialer to prevent dialing
for RIP updates, etc. depending on what type of traffic you have traversing
the router.
-Erik
- Original Message -
From: "Clue Less" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:25 AM
Subject: isdn backup
| Greetings all,
|
| Got a question on routing with ISDN backup. Could
| someone shed some light on how to properly implement
| the backup command with routing?
|
| I'm using the backup command, and ip unnumber for both
| primary and backup interfaces.
|
| int loop 0 R3 int s0/0-primary--int s2 R5
| int loop 0 (5.0.0.5)
| int di1---backup---int di1
|
| Below is config.
|
| What static route can I use to complete the routing to
| the remote end? Because unnumbered addresses is use,
| I'm unsure what the static route should look like.
| The only thing I can think of is using floating
| static, but that sort of defeat the purpose of the
| backup command.
|
|
| ClueLess
|
| !
| hostname r3
| !
| interface Loopback0
| ip address 3.0.0.3 255.255.255.0
| no ip directed-broadcast
| !
| interface Serial0/0
| backup interface Dialer1
| ip unnumbered Loopback0
| no ip directed-broadcast
| clockrate 64000
| !
| interface BRI0/0
| no ip address
| no ip directed-broadcast
| encapsulation ppp
| dialer pool-member 3
| isdn switch-type basic-ts013
| isdn answer1 :3
| ppp authentication chap
| !
| interface Dialer1
| ip unnumbered Loopback0
| no ip directed-broadcast
| encapsulation ppp
| dialer remote-name r5
| dialer string :5
| dialer pool 3
| dialer-group 1
| ppp authentication chap
| !
| dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit
|
| r3#sh ip route
| Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M
| - mobile, B - BGP
|D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA -
| OSPF inter area
|N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA
| external type 2
|E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external
| type 2, E - EGP
|i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS
| level-2, * - candidate default
|U - per-user static route, o - ODR
|
| Gateway of last resort is not set
|
| 3.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets
| C 3.0.0.0 is directly connected, Loopback0
| r3#
|
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RE: dlsw + ISDN backup
just make sure that the DLSw referneces the loopback addresses and that you are using something like eigrp. Put a default router to the other side BRI with a higher admin distance - such as 200 for example. It will work.. I have it working here Regards Andrew -Original Message-From: emirates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 07 September 2000 13:43To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: dlsw + ISDN backup Hi Guys, Small issue regarding DLSW, I want to enable it on two router using Cisco 3640 on serial and use ISDN as a backup. Is there any special configuration requiredtouseisdn backup for dlsw? I would really appreciate if anyone send me sample configuration if its doable? Best Regards AA
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If your dlsw peers point to an physical interface that goes away -- dlsw peers will go away . This is the main reason to work with loopbacks . DLSw only requires that the peers are reachable . For the backup , all routing stuff should be inplace before 3 DLSw keep-alives . ( 90 seconds ) How you handle that has nothing to do with DLSw . Floating statics are certainly an option . flem --- Andrew Larkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just make sure that the DLSw referneces the loopback addresses and that you are using something like eigrp. Put a default router to the other side BRI with a higher admin distance - such as 200 for example. It will work.. I have it working here Regards Andrew -Original Message- From: emirates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 September 2000 13:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dlsw + ISDN backup Hi Guys, Small issue regarding DLSW, I want to enable it on two router using Cisco 3640 on serial and use ISDN as a backup. Is there any special configuration required to use isdn backup for dlsw? I would really appreciate if anyone send me sample configuration if its doable? Best Regards AA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dlsw + ISDN backup
you can configure your router like this; username C3640-B password cisco dlsw local-peer peer-id 2.2.2.2 promiscuous dlsw remote-peer 1 tcp 1.1.1.1 dynamic no-llc 10 dlsw netbios-keepalive-filter interface s0 backup interface bri0 backup delay 10 30 interface bri0/0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 60 dialer map llc2 name C3640-B broadcast 111 dialer-group 1 dialer-list 1 protocol llc2 permit -Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: Andrew Larkins To: emirates ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: RE: dlsw + ISDN backup just make sure that the DLSw referneces the loopback addresses and that you are using somncaething like eigrp. Put a default router to the other side BRI with a higher admin distance - such as 200 for example. It will work.. I have it working here Regards Andrew -Original Message-From: emirates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 07 September 2000 13:43To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: dlsw + ISDN backup Hi Guys, Small issue regarding DLSW, I want to enable it on two router using Cisco 3640 on serial and use ISDN as a backup. Is there any special configuration requiredtouseisdn backup for dlsw? I would really appreciate if anyone send me sample configuration if its doable? Best Regards AA
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BCRAN: ISDN backup
When using a BRI interface as a backup interface for a serial interface, the BRI interface goes into standby mode and cannot be used for anything else. However, if I make the BRI interface a member of a dialer pool and create two dialer interfaces for that pool to act as logical interfaces for the one BRI interface, I can make the dialer interface 1 the backup interface for the serial interface, and use dialer interface 2 to communicate through my BRI interface while it's not being used as a backup. This is all too cool !!! - Now to the questions: 1) What happens if the WAN on the serial interface goes down and the dialer interface 1 becomes active and then I try to use dialer interface 2? 2) What happens if I am using the dialer interface 2 when the WAN on the serial interface goes down and the dialer interface 1 wants to use the BRI interface? My own guess is that the normal rule for dialer interfaces / dialer pools takes effect regardless of the backup interface usage, so if a physical interface is in use by a dialer interface, the requesting dialer interface will have to wait until the fast-idle timeouts on the active dialer interface. Thanks, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Your guess is 100% in place, in fact this is the only role of fast-idle timeout. "Ole Drews Jensen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 2019FB428FD3D311893700508B71EBFB252646@RWR_MAIL_SVR">news:2019FB428FD3D311893700508B71EBFB252646@RWR_MAIL_SVR... When using a BRI interface as a backup interface for a serial interface, the BRI interface goes into standby mode and cannot be used for anything else. However, if I make the BRI interface a member of a dialer pool and create two dialer interfaces for that pool to act as logical interfaces for the one BRI interface, I can make the dialer interface 1 the backup interface for the serial interface, and use dialer interface 2 to communicate through my BRI interface while it's not being used as a backup. This is all too cool !!! - Now to the questions: 1) What happens if the WAN on the serial interface goes down and the dialer interface 1 becomes active and then I try to use dialer interface 2? 2) What happens if I am using the dialer interface 2 when the WAN on the serial interface goes down and the dialer interface 1 wants to use the BRI interface? My own guess is that the normal rule for dialer interfaces / dialer pools takes effect regardless of the backup interface usage, so if a physical interface is in use by a dialer interface, the requesting dialer interface will have to wait until the fast-idle timeouts on the active dialer interface. Thanks, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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