Re: [CTRL] The NON-Sitchin Sumerian Creation Myth

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Thanks Das, I know you copped all the flak, but just look at what it has
brought out.. The closest most of us have cone to the Sumerian tabs is
Sitchen so you have now opened our eyes a little wider..

Peter

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- Original Message -
From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 11:16 PM
Subject: [CTRL] The NON-Sitchin Sumerian Creation Myth


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>  How was Homo sapiens created, according to the Sumerians?
>  Forget Sitchin's version, taken from just ONE clay tablet, and
> consider what a DIFFERENT, perhaps OLDER, tablet tells us:
>  The gods put to death ONE OF THEIR OWN --a REBELLIOUS god,
> the story goes-- and from his blood, shed in this SACRIFICE, mixed
> with earthbound animal flesh, was first born the SPIRIT of Man,
> by which the gods invested their new creature with a longing to
> return to his celestial "home," among the immortal deities ...
>
>
>  SUMERIAN RELIGION
>  by Adapa
>
>  In Primeval Days ...
>
>   Creation mythology is generally divisible into two types:
> Cosmogony - relating to the creation of the 'Cosmos', and
> Anthropogony - relating to the creation of humanity.
>  The distinction is important because while specific texts
> exist relating to Sumerian anthropogony, no direct texts exist
> relating to Cosmogony. Rather, what we do know of their beliefs
> on the matter must often be gleaned from wholly unrelated texts.
> Though the cosmogonies presented in these texts are subject to
> some variation, distinct patterns can be grasped which give
> important insight into the Sumerian beliefs regarding the
> creation of the cosmos.
>  Two fairly dissimilar approaches can be seen in Sumerian
> texts.
>   The first, called the Eridu Model, relates to the beliefs
> of those situated in the southern regions of the country. The
> realm of the primal divine here is neither heaven, nor earth, but
> water. This realm is defined by the term Engur. This term is
> synonymous with Abzu, the "sweet waters of the deep," and is
> defined as the subterranean source of the waters which emerge
> from beneath the ground. This water was believed to be the source
> of the fertile marshes which gave life to this region of the
> country. The sign used for Engur can also be used for Nammu, the
> Mother Goddess prevalent in early Mesopotamian theology.  Texts
> describe Engur/Nammu as 'the mother, first one, who gave birth to
> the gods of the universe.' "She is a goddess without a spouse,
> the self-procreating womb, the primal matter, the inherently
> female and fertilizing waters of the abzu."{1}
>  The Northern Model substitutes the primacy of water with the
> duality of earth and sky. "Heaven and Earth here are both
> regarded as prima materia and generators of life; this is made
> explicit by the fact that they are both equated with the symbol
> Engur." {2}
>  Sometimes one or the other is considered to have existed
> first. In the god-list, for example, An is said to be born of
> Earth, i.e. Uras (the masculine earth), and Ninuras (the feminine
> earth). A genealogy of Enlil also describes the earth as having
> appeared first, but focuses solely on its feminine, agricultural
> aspect. The text concerning the origin of the "toothworm"
> (thought to be the source of toothaches) lists the sky as being
> first, "After Anu {3} had created heaven, heaven had created
> earth, Earth had created rivers, rivers created canals, canals
> created the marsh, the marsh created the worm." {4}
>  The most widely-accepted cosmology, however, is to be found
> in the text "Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and the Netherworld," wherein we
> are told:
>  "In primeval days, in distant primeval days, In primeval
> nights, in far-off primeval nights, In primeval years, in distant
> primeval years -  In ancient days when everything vital had been
> brought into existence, In ancient days when everything vital had
> been nurtured, When bread had been tasted in the shrines of the
> land, When bread had been baked in the ovens of the land - When
> heaven had been moved away from earth, When earth had been
> separated from heaven, When the name of man had been fixed - When
> An had carried off heaven, When Enlil had carried off earth {5}
>  Cosmic creation was thus born of the separation of the
> Primal Unformed mass of Heaven/Earth.  This mass, it appears, was
> given birth to by Nammu/Engur.  What we have no Sumerian source
> for, unfortunately, is an explanation of how Nammu/Engur was
> engendered, or whether on the contrary she was a preexistent
> force.  It may well be here that the Babylonian Creation myth was
> seen as helpful by the Semites, for there the 'Preexisting
> Primordial Waters' are said to have first engendered Mum

Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hey, Earthman...your posts are GREAT!  You just keep on
keepin'on, K??

Your friend,

Mike


On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, earthman wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Hey sorry Gavin, yes I was the cause of all this who ha.. I put it more down
> to the marvels of the net than a case of bad manners... I was intrigued by
> Das's comments and since Sitchen was a topic of discussion on other lists I
> sent it to get confirmation or otherwise..Someone sent it on and bla bla.
> Hey I got sent the pye post and I thought I would send it back, I am sorry
> for having put you in the middle. Heck I did not even look at your name on
> the post.
> I think you must realise here that the net is the public arena and anything
> you post will hang around until it all crashes.
> As far as Sitchen goes now, Well the jury is dstill out. On one side there
> are those that thinks he rules while on the otherside there are those who
> think he is a shape shifting reptile.. I am somewhere in the middle..
> I do not agree with Pye's attitude in the post either and hey who is to
> really say it was from Pye..
> The same thing has happened to a David Icke post as well..
> Treat the net as the Akashic records...There is no such thing as a private
> email..
> Didn't mean to upset you...
> Peter
>
> We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
> http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
> Bargain Books
> http://bn.bfast.com/bfast/click/mid1349732?siteid=10734186&bfpage=b
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Gavin Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 3:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > First off, I do not know why [EMAIL PROTECTED] is posting e-mail that I
> > received from Lloyd Pye in a question I had regarding Dasgoat's comments.
> I
> > would further ask that [EMAIL PROTECTED] at least be accurate enough,
> when
> > forwarding an e-mail I hadn't even read yet, to attribute Lloyd Pye's
> > comments to him and not start off with my name. Further, in the interest
> of
> > good manners and a modicum of etiquette, it would behoove
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > to at least e-mail me first informing me that he received the same message
> > from Lloyd Pye and that he will forward it to the list.
> >
> > Finally, I do not agree with Pye's personal attacks on Dasgoat and
> although
> > he makes some useful points, he tends to lose some credibility because of
> the
> > aforementioned attacks. What I would like to know is which scholars have
> > criticized Sitchin, what they have said and where they have said it. The
> > problem with this whole thing is that Sitchin is one of only about a 100
> (is
> > that an accurate figure?) or so people who can translate cuneiform, so
> > finding somebody who can translate it is very difficult, finding somebody
> who
> > can translate it and be objective-well, good luck. Gavin.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/15/99 4:15:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > << My Goodness guys, talk about spreading the word..Das's comments have
> been
> >  right around the world..
> >
> >  Peter
> >
> >  A defense of Sitchin. Read the comments and complaints at the bottom,
> then
> >  go up to the top to read my reply...
> >
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: lloydpye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 2:17 AM
> >  Subject: Re: Question Regarding Sitchin
> >
> >
> >  >Gavin:
> >  >
> >  >Dasgoat sounds like either a wannabe--or possibly even an
> >  >accredited--scholar who is unable to get his/her own ideas (whatever
> they
> >  >might be) accepted at a popular level (and probably not even at a peer
> >  >level), so (s)he is outraged (as so many of them are) that someone like
> >  >Zecharia should have such enormous popular success without going through
> >  the >>
> >
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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hey sorry Gavin, yes I was the cause of all this who ha.. I put it more down
to the marvels of the net than a case of bad manners... I was intrigued by
Das's comments and since Sitchen was a topic of discussion on other lists I
sent it to get confirmation or otherwise..Someone sent it on and bla bla.
Hey I got sent the pye post and I thought I would send it back, I am sorry
for having put you in the middle. Heck I did not even look at your name on
the post.
I think you must realise here that the net is the public arena and anything
you post will hang around until it all crashes.
As far as Sitchen goes now, Well the jury is dstill out. On one side there
are those that thinks he rules while on the otherside there are those who
think he is a shape shifting reptile.. I am somewhere in the middle..
I do not agree with Pye's attitude in the post either and hey who is to
really say it was from Pye..
The same thing has happened to a David Icke post as well..
Treat the net as the Akashic records...There is no such thing as a private
email..
Didn't mean to upset you...
Peter

We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
Bargain Books
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- Original Message -
From: Gavin Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> First off, I do not know why [EMAIL PROTECTED] is posting e-mail that I
> received from Lloyd Pye in a question I had regarding Dasgoat's comments.
I
> would further ask that [EMAIL PROTECTED] at least be accurate enough,
when
> forwarding an e-mail I hadn't even read yet, to attribute Lloyd Pye's
> comments to him and not start off with my name. Further, in the interest
of
> good manners and a modicum of etiquette, it would behoove
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> to at least e-mail me first informing me that he received the same message
> from Lloyd Pye and that he will forward it to the list.
>
> Finally, I do not agree with Pye's personal attacks on Dasgoat and
although
> he makes some useful points, he tends to lose some credibility because of
the
> aforementioned attacks. What I would like to know is which scholars have
> criticized Sitchin, what they have said and where they have said it. The
> problem with this whole thing is that Sitchin is one of only about a 100
(is
> that an accurate figure?) or so people who can translate cuneiform, so
> finding somebody who can translate it is very difficult, finding somebody
who
> can translate it and be objective-well, good luck. Gavin.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/99 4:15:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << My Goodness guys, talk about spreading the word..Das's comments have
been
>  right around the world..
>
>  Peter
>
>  A defense of Sitchin. Read the comments and complaints at the bottom,
then
>  go up to the top to read my reply...
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: lloydpye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 2:17 AM
>  Subject: Re: Question Regarding Sitchin
>
>
>  >Gavin:
>  >
>  >Dasgoat sounds like either a wannabe--or possibly even an
>  >accredited--scholar who is unable to get his/her own ideas (whatever
they
>  >might be) accepted at a popular level (and probably not even at a peer
>  >level), so (s)he is outraged (as so many of them are) that someone like
>  >Zecharia should have such enormous popular success without going through
>  the >>
>
> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
> ==
> CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
propagandic
> screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing!  These are sordid
matters
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outright
> frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor
effects
> spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
> gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
readers;
> be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
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[CTRL] Africa: Follow the Money

[Das GOAT]

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Diamond Trade Fuels Africa's Wars

By GEORGE GEDDA
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - It hardly is a coincidence that bloody African civil wars
have broken out in Sierra Leone, Congo and Angola: Each boasts a rich reserve
of diamonds that rebels have exploited to finance their quest for power.

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright comes face to face Monday with the grim
legacy of the eight-year war in Sierra Leone when she visits a camp housing
some of the conflict's victims. It is the second stop on her six-country tour
of Africa.

That legacy can be seen in countless lost fingers, hands, lips and ears,
which reflect the RUF rebel movement's fascination for mutilation. Some
victims were as young as 3 or 4 years old.

For Albright, the stop in Sierra Leone easily will be the most difficult of
her weeklong tour. She also will visit Guinea, Mali, Nigeria, Tanzania and
Kenya.

The secretary of state will encourage both sides in Sierra Leone to abide by
terms of a peace agreement negotiated three months ago. One meeting is
planned with RUF leaders who oversaw the brutality. Susan Rice, Albright's
top aide for African affairs, said the meeting is necessary because peace in
Sierra Leone will be impossible if the insurgents are ignored.

When the RUF, the acronym for Revolutionary United Front, took up arms eight
years ago, they had just a few hundred men. But as they tapped diamond mines
in areas under their control, the ensuing windfall reached $100 million to
$150 million annually, and the number of combatants soon rose to 10,000 to
15,000, according to U.S. estimates. The diamond trade enabled the RUF to buy
weapons as well as influence.

The consequences were catastrophic for the West African nation, a former
British colony. U.S. officials say almost half the population of 4.6 million
has been uprooted from their homes - and these are the lucky ones. Thousands
more have been killed or maimed in RUF attacks.

As U.S. officials see it, the diamond trade tends to prolong conflicts in
Sierra Leone and elsewhere on the continent. The struggle for justice becomes
a struggle to maintain an economic enterprise, officials say.

In Sierra Leone's case, diamonds often are transferred to neighboring
Liberia, then flown to Europe. Much of the RUF's output ends up in shops in
the United States, officials say.

In the Democratic Republic of Congo, thousands of Zimbabwean troops protect
rich diamond areas in the southwestern part of the country from encroachment
by rebel forces fighting the government of President Laurent Kabila. Part of
the diamond haul is used to pay the Zimbabwe military for its protection.

Instability has kept eastern Congo in turmoil recently because the armies of
both Rwanda and Uganda have been drawn there by diamond deposits. The
competition has produced outbreaks of fighting.

Profits from diamonds also have enabled Angola's UNITA rebel movement, a Cold
War ally of the United States, to persist in its 24-year civil war.

UNITA has been able to flout an effort by the United Nations to force a peace
settlement through economic sanctions. According to U.N. estimates, UNITA has
earned $4 billion from diamond sales since the sanctions took effect in 1993.

David Newsom, a former deputy secretary of state, points out that not only
are diamonds valuable, but they are often easy to transport and hide.

Newsom said he was told of a Lebanese diamond merchant in Angola who moved
from place to place with a pet boa constrictor, ``which conveniently
swallowed and disgorged diamonds on demand.''

A U.S. official who monitors Africa's conflicts says the administration hopes
to get an international movement under way to distinguish between the
``clean'' diamond trade, involving countries such as Botswana, Nigeria,
Australia and Russia, and the ``dirty'' one that feeds Africa's conflicts.
The latter trade is estimated to account for 30 to 40 percent of African
production.

Any such movement would require the cooperation of the De Beers diamond
conglomerate, which controls about 70 percent of the world's rough diamond
sales. A U.N. committee headed by Robert Fowler, a Canadian, is looking for
ways to crack down on illicit UNITA diamond and arms trading.

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[CTRL] WTC Bombing "Witness for the Prosecution"

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

 "Judge Mukasey announced that accused Islamic 'terrorist' Siddig Ali
provided intelligence information to the US that 'made up for what he did.'"
After or BEFORE he proposed to Sheik Abdel-Rahman HIS plan to bomb the UN
building, resulting in the blind sheik's indictment for the crime of
APPROVING of it?
Was Siddig Ali a provocateur working for the FBI, like Salim (according
to the NY Times), who inspired, plotted, and then provided the necessary
explosives (to Islamic "terrorists" lacking experience in such things) for
the World Trade Center bombing?


Plot Leader Gets 11 Years in Prison

By LARRY NEUMEISTER
.c The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) - A judge handed an 11-year prison sentence to a man who once
plotted to bomb New York landmarks and kill Egypt's president, crediting the
man with substantial cooperation.

U.S. District Judge Michael Mukasey on Friday said Siddig Ibrahim Siddig Ali
provided intelligence information to the United States that ``to a certain
degree made up for what you did and helped the government not only in this
case but perhaps to prevent future cases.''

The judge said the sentence ``balances the enormity of what you did and
intended to do against the substantial cooperation you provided.''

Siddig Ali, 38, said he was ``arrogant, immature and foolish'' in 1993 when
he designed the plots and discussed them at length with a government
informant who was secretly taping the conversations.

Siddig Ali, of Jersey City, N.J., pleaded guilty shortly after the start of a
1995 trial of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman and others in a plot to blow up New
York City landmarks and assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

During that plea to all charges against him, including seditious conspiracy,
Siddig Ali said the blind sheik had given him a fatwa, or religious edict, to
kill Mubarak and bomb the landmarks.

He and other Islamic militants plotted to blow up the United Nations, the FBI
headquarters in New York and two tunnels and a bridge connecting New Jersey
to Manhattan.

The attacks were to take place just months after the Feb. 26, 1993, World
Trade Center bombing which killed six people and injured more than 1,000
others.

``I would like to extend my sincere apologies to the people of New York, to
the American people for my actions,'' Siddig Ali said. ``My actions in no way
reflect the peaceful spirit of Islam nor do they reflect the majority of
decent and peace-loving Muslims around the world.''

He said he now condemned those who ``fraudulently preserve the sacredness of
Islam to perpetrate their unholy war against the innocent and the
unsuspecting.

``I know now more than ever that only through peaceful dialogue can we
resolve our differences. Terrorism is evil and ungodly,'' Siddig Ali said.

Although Siddig Ali did not testify at the trial of the Abdel-Rahman, the
sheik was convicted of conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison without
parole.

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[CTRL] Kennewick Man from Mu ?

[Das GOAT]

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Kennewick Man May Have Asian Roots

By LINDA ASHTON
.c The Associated Press

YAKIMA, Wash. (AP) - Kennewick Man, one of the oldest and most complete human
skeletons ever found in North America, does not appear to have links to
American Indian tribes or to Europeans and may have had Asian or Polynesian
roots, scientists reported.

But Joseph Powell, one of the scientists who studied the bones for the U.S.
Interior Department, said Friday that many questions remain to be answered.

``It's similar to what we're seeing with other ancient skeletons in both
North and South America - there's some difference between them and any modern
people anywhere in the world,'' said Powell, a professor of anthropology at
the University of New Mexico.

In the report, Powell and scientist Jerome Rose found that Kennewick Man
``appears to have the strongest ... affinities with populations from
Polynesia and southern Asia, and not with American Indians or Europeans in
the reference samples.''

But to say that Kennewick Man might be most closely linked to the people of
Polynesia or even the ancient Ainu of Japan, ``doesn't totally convey what we
found,'' Powell said. The older the bones, the more difficult it can be to
neatly link them to specific populations, he said.

He also noted that ancient skeletons found in Europe or Asia, for example,
don't necessarily look like modern-day Europeans or Asians. Any number of
factors could have influenced the degree of variation among humans then and
now.

The bones, found in the shallows of the Columbia River in 1996, are believed
to be more than 9,000 years old. Results of new carbon dating tests are
expected to be available next month.

Five Northwest Indian tribes have claimed Kennewick Man as an ancestor, as
has the Asatru Folk Assembly, an old Norse pagan group. Representatives of
the tribes and of the Asatru did not immediately return calls seeking comment
Friday.

The disposition of the bones has been hotly contested ever since the first
anthropologist to examine Kennewick Man noted that the skull bore little
resemblance to today's Indian people.

The Interior Department will look at the archaeology, geography, ethnography,
biology and history of tribes near the confluence of the Snake and Columbia
rivers as part of the process to determine ``cultural affiliation'' of
Kennewick Man, who is named for a town near his discovery site.

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[CTRL] tanks

[earthman]

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Well if I saw those tanks here in NZ , I would be shittin' myself.

Peter

From: "John Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Go here: while you still can
http://www.involved.com/ewolfe/misc/
The pictures of the tanks were taken in Vancouver, but despite
my gung-ho friends on another list, they are just pictures of tanks
on a train being moved by the military. Nothing more. Nothing less.
The cartoon is self explanatory.
But the photos of the patches is a horse of a different animal.
I do not know those that have these patches other than from
another list, but would trust them with my life if need be.
I would vouch for them in a heartbeat and if these pictures
don't make you wonder, nothing else will. By the way,
GSA stands for General Services Administration.
Now why would the GSA have their own police force?
Not to mention FEMA?

Has the fat lady sung yet? Perhaps she's just warming up..

John



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Re: [CTRL] Jon Benet Ramsey

[piper]

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zero population growth
pedophiles saying that children as young as 6
should decide their sexual orientation
99% of the pictures of her are dressed up as
a "young" adult * like look sex is not
chronological!
many female Asians would look like children to
the average American (no "obvious" muscles)
yet I wonder if they will soon try females of this
non muscular type on tv - looking at some lingerie
commercials, I see that they are.  Attempting
to say that children are sexual objects?


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>
> In a message dated 10/16/1999 8:43:01 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > I am quite surprised that I have seen little of this case mentioned here in
> >  the last couple of days what with the grand jury being dismissed with no
> >  findings.  It was a topic of discussion for some time but now apparently
> has
> >  ceased to be of importance to us.
>
> Oh, I've done little else these last days but re-read up on this case and
> discuss it in other forums.  It is a terribly important case.  Unfortunately,
> I have not been successful in drumming up much interest, though I've been
> doling out info and pushing to the point of sheer rudeness.
> It is completely impossible to overestimate the importance of this case.
> It's hugely pivotal.  I would have hoped our society was no so terribly
> unhealthy that the powers-that-be would not have resigned themselves to
> surrendering "some of their own" being that there is such an intense
> spotlight focused here.
> The arrogance in the cover-up of this crime is truly shocking.  The depth
> of the protection of these military/industrial complex drones, as well as the
> cover-up itself, are near in their breadth to the JFK assassination!  It's
> mind-boggling.
>  I've been deeply moved by the heroic efforts of former Detective Arndt
> in trying to get her info out.  She was interviewed on Good Morning America a
> few weeks back and she has a chilling story to tell.  She was the first
> detective on the scene.  She has been scapegoated and criticized and nearly
> personally broken over this case.  As long as she remained on the force, she
> was unable to speak publicly.  She received so much criticism, was never
> allowed to defend herself, and was never defended by anyone on the force in
> the face of lies told about her, that she now has a lawsuit pending against
> the police department.  She has resigned and is speaking out.  Please look
> over the transcripts of the show.
> http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html
>  http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html">"ARNDT GMA
> TRANSCRIPTS"
>
> Samm
>
> 
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[CTRL] Purple Crow

[earthman]

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OK guys, what do you think?  David being Icke, but please don't let that put
you off.. LOL..
Is it disinfo?
Peter


Hello, my name is Purple Crow.  I live in Vancouver Canada.  I met David
a while back and we had lots to talk about in his vehicle about our
paths, including my connection to the reptilians.  I met the greys in
1975, when i was 7 years old.  Most of you can guess what that was
like.  When I was 13 (rather symbolic) I began to have a reoccuring
dream about a shapeshifting reptilian woman who had sex with me,
something to do with my particular energy pattern.  It was amazing to
say the least!  She was rough with me, but strangely enough I liked it!
I fought at first, but as I gave in it became the most incredible event
in my life.  This has caused lots of problems trying to explain my
experiences to many people.  I felt ONE with her, like we were the same
being.  Easy to see that from a comsic level, but, I mean it in a
physical level as well.  Mind link?  I am always waking up to this
connection, deeper and deeper.  Its been rough at best.  My female
reptilian seems to think rather highly of me.  That could mean anything,
either way.  Controllers tend to say the same thing.  She rarely ever
visits, except recently a friend pointed out that my last few etheric
encounters were on the dates that Arizona Wilder pointed out to us.
That spooked me.  She may be helping me to awaken because she (from the
other side) feels things have gone too far as well.  They dont seem to
want me dead otherwise they would have done so already.  They had many
chances.  I seem to hold a key for something yet to come.  Its like a
battle over a chess piece.  (ie: me)  Another view could be that I
simply WAS A Reptilian in a past life.  (Or is that will be?)  I can
verify things that happen "there" that I just "remember" from what feels
like a million years ago.  I know where my heart is right NOW, I focus
on that.  However, as you can imagine I have been under VERY SERIOUS
attack, from Psychic to EMP!  Its not easy to avoid EMP, not even a tin
foil hat works. (I'm half joking here, I have to laugh once in a while,
keeps me going you know.)  I have been turned into a non-person by
forces from the inside.  My SIN/SSN number is corrupted and watched like
(by) a hawk.  They have me listed as a troublemaker BEYOND
troublemakers.  I have had personal verification of illegal tampering
with my files from a gov't worker.  I went public with my story YEARS
ago (1987) and used to get ridicluled even by the UFO comunity often,
and those who said they wanted to help me never amounted to much help at
all.  (Sp00ks?  I think so - distraction is the best psychological
weapon).  My fahter was in the British military and my mother was too
talkative about SOMETHING that led to her being given enough
Electro-shock to kill her mind and all memory of our experiences
together back around 1973.  Never could get the WHOLE story from her
without her having seisures and blackouts.  For the past FOUR years I
have been kept alive by a girl who has ALSO had Reptilian encounters.
She fed and cared for me while the "system" attacked me further.  It
still comes from every corner of my "human" life as I call it.  Without
Christine I would have been living on the street for easy pickings.
Well, she has also been attacked to the point where she doesnt even know
what was said in conversations anymore, and it gets too messy from
there.  She up and left me only a few weeks ago.  She took the Y2K food
supplies and left me.  I have no money left.  She's in hiding from many
people.  I'm still waiting for another safe house to live in here in
town, I may have one out of town, I wont say where.  Not many people
want to adopt an "alien trapped in a human body" and to keep him alive.
I cant get a job because as soon as I use ANY form of ID I get arrested
or my boss gets mysteriously "told" things about me then puts an end to
it.  Its not always instant, but it happens very often.  Also I have a
debt thats in the thousands, I have been black balled rather nicely.  I
used to work with psychics back in 1987-88 and I knew this beforehand,
but I tended to focus on the "Positive", like all the work I (would
be/have done) for a greater good.  (Its amazing how much money I find
with David's web site listed on it, hmm)  I have been exchanging info
with people like William Thomas, Jeane Manning and so many others that
I'm sure you have heard about.  The next event I saw (in a vision) will
be one of the biggest that this city has ever seen.  (am I being spooky
again?)  I have just completed a video with Craig (a fellow I barely
know) about my Reptilian connection.  Also I was supposed to be in
Pamela Stonebrooke's upcomming book with my (and my former partners)
personal encounters.  After hearing that my account was "the best story
to collaberate Pamela's encounter", Weeks later I got "Purple Crow is
not a credible name for the book, youre being cut, I'm so

[CTRL] General McCaffrey's History of Misinformation / Drug Sense Weekly

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

The General in charge of the "War on Drugs" (another instance of
big-government's war on PEOPLE)
See http://www.mapinc.org/hawk.htm for info on contributing clippings.


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/ncf
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
==
Current Issue of "Drug Sense Weekly"
October 15, 1999 #119
http://www.drugsense.org/dsw/1999/ds99.n119.html

White Paper: General McCaffrey's History of Misinformation by Kevin Zeese -
Common Sense for Drug Policy

The Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, Barry McCaffrey,
has been known to play 'fast and loose' with the facts, especially when it
comes to the success of his National Drug Control Strategy.  This year
General McCaffrey was publicly taken to task for inaccurately portraying the
impact of Netherland's drug policies, needle exchange and medical marijuana
by public health leaders, civil rights advocates and reform advocates.

While this White Paper details factually inaccurate statements, the drug
czar has been correct in calling for increased drug treatment and methadone
maintenance.  Common Sense applauds him for dealing with these issues based
on the facts and is willing to work with ONDCP in developing more effective
drug control strategies.  However, to have meaningful dialogue, it is
imperative that our public officials have an accurate, fact-based
discussion.

Common Sense provides a free online factbook on the drug war, available at:
http://www.csdp.org/factbook/ and is available for comment at 703-354-5684.

McCaffrey:

"Each year drug use exacts $110 billion in social costs, contributes to
52,000 drug-related deaths .  . . ." Letter from Barry McCaffrey to Governor
Gary Johnson, September 16, 1999.

"Each year, approximately 50,000 Americans die from drug-related causes."
Testimony of Barry R.  McCaffrey Director, Office of National Drug Control
Policy, "Building a More Effective Safe and Drug-Free Schools and
Communities Program" Before the House Subcommittee on Early Childhood, Youth
and Families, August 3, 1999

 The Facts

The study Director McCaffrey used to estimate a $110 billion social cost
states that sixty percent (60%) of those costs are due to drug-related law
enforcement, incarceration and crime.  These are the costs created by our
National Drug Control Strategy and our policy of strict prohibition and
incarceration.  Only 3% of drug costs were from victims of drug-related
crime, and less than 40% of the $110 billion social costs actually are due
to the health impact of drugs.

General McCaffrey's failure to fully disclose the elements of this figure
are just one example of how the ONDCP director seeks to distort the public's
perception of drug policy.Source: The Economic Costs of Alcohol and Drug
Abuse in the United States 1992.According to SAMHSA, the federal
government's premiere substance abuse agency, about 20,000 people die each
year from drug-related causes.

"Drug-related" includes much more than deaths from drug overdoses: it
includes both illegal and illicit use of legal drugs, suicide, homicide,
motor vehicle injury, HIV, pneumonia, hepatitis, endocarditis, infant
deaths, and overdoses.  Many of these deaths are due to the illegality of
the drugs involved.  The 52,000 figure McCaffrey refers to comes from "CSR
Inc., unpublished research prepared for ONDCP, 1999" which ONDCP has thus
far refused to release for public scrutiny.  Considering that the SAMHSA
figure of 20,000 already includes deaths which are already only tenuously
related to drug use, it is difficult to accept that this number could be
revised upward so greatly.  More importantly, if this data is not suitable
for public review, how can it be suitable for presentation as fact to
Congress, Governor Johnson, or journalists?

McCaffrey:

"We're making progress in reducing illegal drug use and its consequences."
Letter from Barry McCaffrey to Governor Gary Johnson, September 16, 1999.

The Facts

The only evidence of "success" comes from voluntary surveys conducted by the
federal government.  Indeed, 20% of those selected for the National
Household Survey do not participate.  Furthermore, the Survey excludes all
1.8 million persons who are currently behind bars, many of whom are
imprisoned for drugs, but now do not show up on national statistics.

 It is hard to tell how accurate the results are or what impact increased
drug war advertising has on survey responses.  Second, throughout most of
the 1990s, these surveys have shown adolescent drug use increasing (until
last year when they showed a leveling off of youth use).

Third, the health and social consequences associated with drugs; overdose
deaths, mentions of drugs in hospital emergency rooms and spread of disease,
particularly AIDS, have worsened since 1978.  Saying that the nation has
made progress on the consequences of drug use is simply untrue.

Similarly, the problems associated

[CTRL] book: "Drug Crazy: How We Got Into This Mess and How We can Get Out" by Mike Gray

[Dave]

Title: 



Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~davehart

  
  

  
Drug Crazy:How We Got Into This Mess and How We can 
  Get Outby Mike Gray 
  

  

  

  Review & author "bio" 
below.
  

  

  About the 
Author 
Mike Gray's 
Credits 
Press Release 

Quick Review 
Comments on 
Drug Crazy 
Review by 
DrugSense Director Thomas J. O'Connell, MD 
Dallas 
Morning News Review 
Paul 
Rosenberg Reviews Drug Crazy 
Judge 
Kane Reviews Drug Crazy 
New York 
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Nightline: The 
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Common Sense Challenges 
McCaffrey to read Drug Crazy 
Common Sense For Drug Policy 
Author 
Calls Drug War A `Disastrous Failure' 
Articles by Mike Gray 

Children 
Are Left To Take Hit When We Fight War On Drugs 
Drug War 
Is a Lost Cause--Like Prohibition 
Medical 
Marijuana Initiatives Shift the Front of the Drug War 
In The 
Win-At-Any-Price War On Drugs, We Have Surrendered Principle And 
Sanity 
Righteous 
Drug Warriors Mete Out a Cruel Lesson 
Texas 
Heroin Massacre 
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Drug 
Warriors and Their Prey : From Police Power to Police State 
Ending 
the War on Drugs : A Solution for America 
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Fix 
Marijuana Myths, Marijuana 
Facts : A Review of the Scientific Evidence 
Shattered Lives - 
Portraits From America's Drug War 
Smoke and 
Mirrors : The War on Drugs and the Politics of Failure 
  
  

  

  
About the Author 
  
Like several other Hollywood realists, Mike Gray comes 
  from a documentary film background. His Chicago-Based Film Group 
  chronicled the political violence of the 1960's, including the 
  award-winning feature documentaries, AMERICAN REVOLUTION II, and 
  THE MURDER OF FRED HAMPTON. 
  Gray grew up in the small farm town of Darlington, Indiana, and after 
  graduating from Purdue University with an engineering degree in 1958, he 
  worked in New York as an editor for AVIATION AGE. 
  In 1965 he joined with partners John Mason and Jim Dennett to form The 
  Film Group, a Chicago based production company. Their work in TV 
  commercials provided the foundation for a series of theatrical and 
  television documentaries. The three men have worked together on more than 
  fifty film and television projects over the last two decades. 
  After moving to Hollywood in 1973, Gray began writing the screenplay 
  that was to become the eerily prophetic CHINA SYNDROME. His years 
  of research were uncannily confirmed less than two weeks after the movie's 
  release by the accident at Three Mile Island. 
  Gray went to Harrisburg to cover the TMI story for ROLLING 
  STONE magazine and collaborated on THE WARNING (W.W. Norton), a 
  definitive account of the accident based on 200 hours of exclusive 
  interviews and 50,000 pages of transcripts from five government 
  investigations. 
  In 1981 Gray wrote and directed the theatrical feature, 
  WAVELENGTH, a science fiction thriller starring Bobby Carradine and 
  Keenan Wynn (New World). 
  Gray and Mason also worked together on the screenplay for CODE OF 
  SILENCE (Orion), and a pilot for ABC based on the film STARMAN. 
  They were hired by Columbia as writer-producers for the STARMAN 
  series (1986-87) and Gray directed the pilot and three of the 22 episodes. 
  In 1988 Gray and Mason were hired as writer/producers for the Paramount 
  "STAR TREK" series. 
  Gray is also the author of ANGLE OF ATTACK: Harrison Storms and 
  the Race to the Moon, a history of the Apollo program and the men who 
  built the first spaceship from planet Earth. It was published by W.W. 
  Norton and released in paperback by Penguin. 
  After six years of research and writing, he has just published DRUG 
  CRAZY: How We Got Into This Mess and How We Can Get Out, a critique of 
  the War on Drugs, being published by Random House in June 1998. 
  Mike Gray lives in Los Angeles with his wife, Carol, a reporter for 
  public radio. Their son

[CTRL] NEW BOOK by Branton

[Steve Wingate]

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Date sent:  Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:54:55 -0400
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Subject:IUFO: NEW BOOK by Branton
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I am forwarding this, I think everyone should try to get this!

Joni
www.starfriends.com

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello Friends,
I want to tell you about a new book about to hit the market!  It is a
compilation of work put together by 'Branton'. He has managed to capture the
true flavor of the UFO arena in all its terror for our little blue marble.
Undergoing publication at this time, it should be ready for purchase sometime
in the next 6 weeks. It can be ordered from your favorite bookstore, or
directly from the publisher. (If you are going to order from a bookstore,
please wait about about 6 weeks so the New Books in Print info can reach
them.)

Here are the particulars for this masterpiece of the battle for control of
the universe:

Title: The Secrets Of The Mojave
Author: 'Branton'
Hardcover, 9"x12", 300 pages, illustrated
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International Director
International Society of the Universal Mind


Steve Wingate

California Director
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http://www.anomalous-images.com

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Re: [CTRL] Deadly Force and Individual Rights (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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>
> From:
>
> Vol. 15, No. 41
> November 8, 1999
> Published Date: October 15, 1999
> Washington, D.C.
> www.insightmag.com
>
> Deadly Force and Individual Rights
> By Kelly Patricia O'Meara
>
>
> U.S. special-operations military units are participating in
> civilian law-enforcement activities within the United States,
> raising questions of legality and ultimate purpose.
>
> Six years after the siege on Mount Carmel, citizens and lawmakers
> alike are angry and shocked about details now unfolding
> concerning the raid that left 75 Branch Davidians dead.
> Allegations that military personnel were present and participated
> in the raid on the Davidian compound raise serious questions
> about mingling of military and civilian forces in direct
> violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which forbids such
> deployment.
>
> Just one day after the siege at Waco, Texas, ended in a fiery
> horror, President Clinton gave the American people a glimpse of
> what to expect. The government could not be responsible for "the
> fact that a bunch of fanatics decided to kill themselves," he
> said. The commander in chief then warned that "there is,
> unfortunately, a rise in this sort of fanaticism across the
> world. And we may have to confront it again."
>
> The tragedy at Waco by no means is the first or only example of
> violations of Posse Comitatus, but it does underscore the
> volatile cocktail that can result from mixing special-operations
> troops and civilian law enforcement. Separation of civilian and
> military forces long has been an American tradition, but under
> the guise of the "war on drugs" and the "war on terrorism,"
> Congress in the last two decades has enacted piecemeal
> legislation allowing military intervention in civilian law
> enforcement, which many believe violates the intent, if not the
> letter, of the law.
>
> For instance, in 1981 Congress passed the Military Cooperation
> with Law Enforcement Officials Act, which authorizes the military
> to "assist" civilian police in enforcing of drug laws. In 1989
> President Bush created six regional joint task forces, or JTFs,
> within the Department of Defense, or DOD, to coordinate military
> and police agencies in the drug war. And, again in 1993, DOD and
> the Department of Justice signed a memorandum of understanding
> enabling the military to transfer technology to state and local
> police departments. The difference between the mission of
> civilian and military forces in this context is remarkable.
> Civilian law-enforcement personnel are trained to deal with
> situations occurring locally on the city, county or state level.
> They are trained to consider the individual rights of the
> citizen, regardless of the severity of the crime, and use of
> force is a measure of last resort. On the other hand, the mission
> of the military is national security. Troops are trained to
> concentrate deadly force on an enemy.
>
> Furthermore, says a law-enforcement official who asked not to be
> identified, the distinction between the two forces rarely is
> understood by the general population. "Police don't have rules of
> engagement," he says. "They have a use-of-force policy. Every
> law-enforcement officer, office, agency or department in the
> United States lives by the same use-of-force policy. That is,
> police may use force only to the level necessary to neutralize a
> situation and may use deadly force only to protect themselves or
> the lives of others," he says.
>
> Whatever term is applied, the fact remains that U.S. troops are
> participating in civilian law-enforcement activities inside the
> United States. Often the outcome is frightening and, as in the
> case of the raid on the Branch Davidians, can be disastrous.
> Nonetheless, special-operations military units, such as the 160th
> Special Ops group (also known as Delta Force) out of Fort
> Campbell, Ky., which has been implicated in the attack at Waco,
> for years have been training in U.S. cities for the possibility
> of "terrorist activities."
>
> Training exercises known as Military Operations in Urban Terrain,
> or MOUT, have been carried out in dozens of cities throughout the
> United States. Residents of Charlotte, N.C., Pittsburgh, Houston
> and Chicago are among those who have been awakened in the dead of
> night by hundreds of military troops rappelling from helicopters
> hovering at treetop level, firing automatic weapons and exploding
> flash-bang and smoke grenades.
>
> Col. Bill Darley, a spokesman for DOD, tells Insight that "these
> exercises are not law-enforcement missions. They're secret combat
> activities for very explicit purposes such as scenarios involving
> recovery of a weapon of mass destruction, incidents of terrorism
> and hostage rescue. The activities would be approximating the
> same situation as in a foreign country. We conduct these
> large-scale exercises in the Southern states as make-believe
> foreign countries. Charlotte, N.C., f

Re: [CTRL] CA Govt gun confiscation letters (transcript) (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

>
> Source:
>
> http://nrawinningteam.com/confiscation/calockyer.html
>
> ---
>
> California Department of Justice
> Division of Criminal Justice Information Services
> Nick L. Dedier, Director
>
> INFORMATION BULLETIN No. 99-14-BCIA
> Date: 6/11/99
>
> Subject: RELINQUISHMENT OF ASSAULT WEAPONS
>
>
> TO: All Law Enforcement Agencies
>
>
> On August 21, 1998, the Superior Court in and for the City and
> County of San Francisco found that the Department of Justice had
> no discretionary authority to register assault weapons past the
> March 30, 1992 deadline contained in Penal Code section 12285.
>
> Based upon a review of Department records, it has been determined
> that approximately 1550 individuals were allowed to register
> assault weapons past this March 30, 1992 statutory deadline. In
> compliance with the court's order, affected individuals have been
> sent a copy of the attached letter advising them of the court's
> decision and instructing them to immediately relinquish their
> assault weapon(s) to a police of sheriff's department pursuant to
> California Penal Code section 12288 or render the weapon
> permanently inoperable.
>
> Unlike the SKS Sporter Buy-back Program which will be starting
> shortly, no reimbursement is authorized in exchange for
> relinquishing assault weapons registered after the March 30, 1992
> deadline.
>
> In addition to receiving a copy of the attached letter, an
> individual listing of the specific assault weapon(s) registered
> after March 30, 1992 will also be sent to each affected
> individual.
>
> Once the 90-day window of opportunity for turning in such assault
> weapons concludes, we will send each sheriff and police chief a
> listing of the affected individuals and specific assault weapons
> that corresponds with their jurisdiction.
>
> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact the
> Firearms Program at (916) 227-3703.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
> DOUG SMITH, Chief Bureau of Criminal Information and Analysis
>
> For Bill Lockyear Attorney General
>
>
> -- page break --
>
> Bill Lockyear
> Attorney General
> State of California
> Department of Justice
> Bureau of Criminal Information and Analysis
> P.O. Box ___
> Sacramento, CA  94203
>
> June 8, 1999
>
> TO:  (Name)
> (Address)
> (City, State, Zip)
>
>
> NOTICE TO ALL PERSONS WHO ATTEMPTED TO REGISTER AN ASSAULT WEAPON
> IN CALIFORNIA AFTER MARCH 30, 1992
>
>
> The Roberti-Roos Assault Weapon Control Act of 1989 (Penal Code
> sections 12275-12290) severely restricts and criminalizes
> possession of certain assault weapons in the State of California.
> A specific listing of those prohibited assault weapons is
> contained within Penal Code section 12276. To lawfully possess
> and assault weapon in California, a person must have lawfully
> possessed the assault weapon before June 1, 1989 (Penal Code
> section 12280). Additionally, the assault weapon must also have
> been registered with the California Department of Justice on or
> before March 30, 1992 (Penal Code section 12285). In an order
> filed August 21, 1998, the Superior Court in and for the City and
> Country of San Francisco found that the California Department of
> Justice had no authority to register assault weapons after March
> 30, 1992 and that the provisions of Penal Code section 12285
> regarding the registration of assault weapons did not give the
> Department of Justice any discretionary authority to register
> assault weapons after March 30, 1992.
>
> In light of the above court ruling, all registrations dated
> and/or received by the Department after march 30, 1992, even if
> previously accepted by the Department of Justice are null and
> void. If you possess a prohibited assault weapon in California
> that you possessed before June 1, 1989 but did not register the
> weapon until after March 30, 1992, you may be subject to criminal
> prosecution. You are advised to relinquish the assault weapon to
> a police or sheriff's department pursuant to California Penal
> Code section 12288 or render the weapon permanently inoperable.
>
> A review of the Department of Justice's assault weapon
> registration file indicates that your attempted registration of
> the weapon(s) listed on the attached page was dated and/or
> received after the March 30, 1992 deadline. Any other weapon(s)
> that you may have registered prior to this March 30, 1992
> deadline will continue to remain on the Department of Justice's
> assault weapon registration list. Finally, the Department of
> Justice will refund any and all registration fees you paid when
> you attempted registration of the identified assault weapon(s).
> To receive your late registration fee refund, please complete the
> attached form and return it to the Department of Justice at the
> designated address as soon as possible. If you have any
> questions, you may contact the Department of Justice's Firearms
> program at (916) 227-3703.
>
>
> Since

Re: [CTRL] Gun confiscation begins in California (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

>
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:36:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Seems like a slow day on CAS, so here's a news item:
>
> Years ago, California required that owners of a certain type of
> rifle (the SKS), register it as an assault weapon, though it
> didn't fit the standard definition (none of them were capable of
> full-automatic fire like a machine gun). The AG promised that the
> registration lists, would not be used as references for later
> confiscation, and derided gun owners as "paranoid" for thinking
> they would. After the registration deadline, some owners asked if
> they could register late, and the AG said they could.
>
> Several elections later, California had a new AG. And this one
> says that the old AG was wrong. He has now required all late
> registrants, to turn in their rifles, for no compensation. He has
> sent letters to that effect, which appear at:
>
>  http://nrawinningteam.com/confiscation/calockyer.html
>
> Notable in the text, is language saying that the lists of late
> registrants collected by the state, would be used to determine
> who has these now-illegal (formerly legal) weapons, and where
> officials would be sent to confiscate the guns.
>
> All those who believe that the government(s) will be satisfied
> with just these guns, and will not make any further moves to
> confiscate others, please raise your hand.
>
>
> On a seperate but possibly related note, the California
> legislature passed a law this summer, defining a number of other
> weapons to be "assault weapons", and requiring their registration
> with the same officials who registered the SKS rifles. They have
> assured gun owners that they have no intention of confiscating
> any of these firearms.
>
> Have a nice day,
> Jim Wilson
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Farah-The Specter of a new cover-up (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

>
>
> World Net Daily-October 15, 1999
>
> The Specter of a new cover-up
>
> By Joseph Farah
>
> Will we ever find out the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
> the truth regarding the federal government's wholesale slaughter
> of 80 men, women and children at Waco?
>
> The U.S. Senate is off to a bad start.
>
> The Senate Judiciary Committee has abandoned the idea of a task
> force, voting instead to turn over the already extremely limited
> inquiry of possible Justice Department "missteps" to its
> administrative oversight and courts subcommittee.
>
> Democrats had refused to participate in the task force, saying
> its creation would violate Senate rules and was tantamount to a
> partisan witchhunt against Attorney General Janet Reno and her
> Justice Department. Isn't that interesting? In the initial
> hearings on Waco, it was the Democrats who asked the toughest
> questions and hurled the most explosive accusations against Reno.
> What a difference six years and an impending presidential
> election can make.
>
> Perhaps the worst news is that Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., who had
> been tapped to head the task force, will chair the Judiciary
> subcommittee probe in an unusual arrangement that calls for the
> panel's chairman, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, to relinquish
> his leadership for purposes of that investigation. Unusual?
> Highly unusual. Why are senators so intent on having professional
> cover-up artist Arlen Specter as the point man on Waco? H.
>
> Specter is not trusted by the American people to conduct a fair
> and impartial investigation of such an important debacle.
> Remember, Specter first came to national prominence for his role
> on the Warren Commission and his wholly unbelievable
> "single-bullet theory." Almost 36 years later, Americans still
> widely distrust the Warren Commission findings on the
> assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Specter played a key
> role in that botched investigation.
>
> But, if that history wasn't bad enough, Specter helped ensure
> that the U.S. Senate would not conduct a real impeachment trial
> of President Clinton last year. Remember his theories about
> "Scottish law"? He came up with his rationalizations for
> acquittal of the criminal-in-chief only after his wife got a plum
> appointment to the National Endowment for the Arts.
>
> Nevertheless, Specter assures the nation: "We intend to move
> ahead with dispatch.''
>
> Yeah, expect Waco to be dispatched to the dustbins of history.
> Specter is an establishment cover-up artist. Not only is he the
> wrong person for the job, he himself should be investigated for
> his conflict of interest in the impeachment inquiry.
>
> Oddly enough, if there is any hope for new revelations from this
> committee, they are likely to be spurred by Sen. Robert
> Torricelli of New Jersey, the top Democrat, who has been a
> stinging critic of Reno and her injustice department. But
> Torricelli has a history of closing ranks with his Democratic
> Party friends in the administration when things start getting
> really hot. He'd like to have Reno's scalp. But he is not eager
> to bring down a Democratic president over Waco or any other
> scandal.
>
> The probe was proposed weeks ago during the initial furor over
> Justice and FBI officials' belated admission that potentially
> incendiary tear gas was used during the 1993 Waco raid. But,
> since then, we have learned that the Justice and FBI cover-up is
> much bigger. The Dallas Morning News reported this week that the
> FBI had the Branch Davidian church surrounded with video cameras.
> Many of those tapes have never been made available to
> congressional investigators.
>
> As long as Specter is in charge of the Senate investigation of
> Waco, you can expect the cover-up of this massacre to continue.
>
> What can we do about it? Don't give up. Keep plugging away. Talk
> it up. Tell your friends. Write your senators. Keep the memory of
> those kids alive. Throw the bums out of office next year. Expose
> the corruption. Hold your government accountable. Demand the
> truth. Support those who fight for it. Refuse to accept the lies.
>
> If the government can get away with the slaughter of the Branch
> Davidians, live and in color on our television screens, then none
> of us are safe.
>


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[CTRL] Nato bombed Chinese deliberately (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

From:

The Observer (http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/observer/ )

Nato bombed Chinese deliberately

Nato hit embassy on purpose
Kosovo: special report

John Sweeney and Jens Holsoe in Copenhagen and Ed Vulliamy in
Washington

Sunday October 17, 1999

Nato deliberately bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during
the war in Kosovo after discovering it was being used to transmit
Yugoslav army communications.

According to senior military and intelligence sources in Europe
and the US the Chinese embassy was removed from a prohibited
targets list after Nato electronic intelligence (Elint) detected
it sending army signals to Milosevic's forces.

The story is confirmed in detail by three other Nato officers - a
flight controller operating in Naples, an intelligence officer
monitoring Yugoslav radio traffic from Macedonia and a senior
headquarters officer in Brussels. They all confirm that they knew
in April that the Chinese embassy was acting as a 'rebro'
[rebroadcast] station for the Yugoslav army (VJ) after alliance
jets had successfully silenced Milosevic's own transmitters.

The Chinese were also suspected of monitoring the cruise missile
attacks on Belgrade, with a view to developing effective
counter-measures against US missiles.

The intelligence officer, who was based in Macedonia during the
bombing, said: 'Nato had been hunting the radio transmitters in
Belgrade. When the President's [Milosevic's] residence was bombed
on 23 April, the signals disappeared for 24 hours. When they came
on the air again, we discovered they came from the embassy
compound.' The success of previous strikes had forced the VJ to
use Milosevic's residence as a rebroadcast station. After that
was knocked out, it was moved to the Chinese embassy. The air
controller said: 'The Chinese embassy had an electronic profile,
which Nato located and pinpointed.'

The Observer investigation, carried out jointly with Politiken
newspaper in Denmark, will cause embarrassment for Nato and for
the British government. On Tuesday, the Queen and the Prime
Minister will host a state visit by the President of China, Jiang
Zemin. He is to stay at Buckingham Palace.

Jiang Zemin is still said to be outraged at the 7 May attack,
which came close to splitting the alliance.The official Nato
line, as expressed by President Bill Clinton and CIA director
George Tenet, was that the attack on the Chinese Embassy was a
mistake. Defence Secretary William Cohen said: 'One of our planes
attacked the wrong target because the bombing instructions were
based on an outdated map.'

Later, a source in the US National Imagery and Mapping Agency
said that the 'wrong map' story was 'a damned lie'.

Tenet apologised last July, saying: 'The President of the United
States has expressed our sincere regret at the loss of life in
this tragic incident and has offered our condolences to the
Chinese people and especially to the families of those who lost
their lives in this mistaken attack.

Nato's apology was predicated on the excuse that the three
missiles which landed in one corner of the embassy block were
meant to be targeted at the Yugoslav Federal Directorate for
Supply and Procurement, the FDSP. But inquiries have revealed
there never was a VJ directorate of supply and procurement at the
site named by Tenet. The VJ office for supplies - which Tenet
calls FDSP - is some 500 metres down the street from the address
he gave. It was bombed later.

Moreover the CIA and other Nato intelligence agencies, such as
Britain's MI6 and the code-breakers at GCHQ, would have listened
in to communication traffic from the Chinese embassy as a matter
of course since it moved to the site in 1996.

A Nato flight control officer in Naples also confirmed to us that
a map of 'non-targets': churches, hospitals and embassies,
including the Chinese, did exist. On this 'don't hit' map, the
Chinese embassy was correctly located at its current site, and
not where it had been until 1996 - as claimed by the US and NATO.

Why the Chinese were prepared to help Milosevic is a more murky
question. One possible explanation is that the Chinese lack
Stealth technology, and the Yugoslavs, having shot down a Stealth
fighter in the early days of the air campaign, were in a good
position to trade. The Chinese may have calculated that Nato
would not dare strike its embassy, but the five-storey building
was emptied every night of personnel. Only three people died in
the attack, two of whom were, reportedly, not journalists - the
official Chinese version - but intelligence officers.

The Chinese military attache, Ven Bo Koy, who was seriously
wounded in the attack and is now in hospital in China, told Dusan
Janjic, the respected president of Forum for Ethnic Relations in
Belgrade, only hours before the attack, that the embassy was
monitoring incoming cruise missiles in order to develop
counter-measures.

Nato spokesman Lee McClenny yesterday stood by the official
version. 'It was a terrible mistake,' 

Re: [CTRL] Whitley Strieber, "Mind Control" and the CIA

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-10-16 10:15:11 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Does your article say when in the 60s he was filming this documentary?

I don't have my copy handy, but I seem to recall that it was the late '60s.

>My information about the Process Church is that it was the group started by
>Stephen Ward, a chiropractor I believe, who lived in a cottage at the Astors
>’ Cliveden estate, and who , in 1963, introduced Lord Astor--the son of Lord
>and Lady Astor who started the Round Table Group at Cliveden with Lord
>Milner-- to John Profumo and Soviet Ambassador Ivanov, both of whom had
>assignations with Christine Keeler for whom Ward was acting as pimp.

Your information is incorrect, at least in the terms you state it.  The
founding of The Process (for short) has been well documented, and there's no
question that it came into being when its two founders, a British
Scientologist who called himself DeGrimston and his girlfriend, a
Scientologist in the same branch, took Scientology "out into the field,"
mixing it with their own ideas -- for example, the RELATIVITY of good and
evil, visible in their formulation of a Quaternity of gods featuring Christ,
Lucifer, Satan and Jehovah, and other vaguely "Gnostic" stuff probably born
of the usual psychedelic experiences
in the Sixties.  In Manson's more extreme worldview you see some of the
repercussions of such a relativity -- "Slayer" is as "holy" a role as the
"Slain" (Christ), destruction viewed as a "spiritual" act during this "Age of
Kali," etc.  At first, The Process attracted (predictably) "psychedelicized"
younger-generation aristocrats, those in the "rock and roll" subculture, and
suchlike, but eventually it began to wear thin and the leadership of The
Process migrated to the United States seeking new converts, mostly in
California, where of course it attracted similar types.  Here in San
Francisco, Charles Manson would have run into it (as I did, now and then), of
only because the Manson pad was practically across the street from the flat
used by The Process as their "church.". You can read Ed Sanders (see "The
Family") for details of their connection, partly confirmed and more
hypothesized.  By the '70s, The Process was suffering from negative publicity
due to its link to Manson and was being ostracized by the Scientology org for
putting that group in a bad, so it went "underground" for awhile (in Mexico
or Central America, I think) and began to lose momentum, ending as a
relatively tame "reformed" group (which has a website even now) -- but not
before it had spawned a number of offshoots of which we know little, except
where they pop up later in other contexts such as the "Son of Sam" case when
studied by journalist Maury Terry in his book "Ultimate Evil."

Now, let's go back to your idea of The Process being connected to the
Ward-Profumo group ... There is a POSSIBLE connection, but at a couple of
degrees of separation, through the co-founder of The Process, DeGrimston's
girlfriend, who appears to have
made a living selling kinky sex in the SAME circles as travelled by Christine
Keeler's
girls.  It's not improbable that she WAS one of Keeler's girls, at least for
a brief time, and COULD have met and shared "pillow talk" with the decadent
aristocrats you name,  who were (in some way I don't fully understand)
operating under the watchful eyes of both the KGB and MI5/MI6.  Her life
OUTSIDE of The Process is a subject I'm not well informed about, and I doubt
if it's been explored fully by others either.  More the pity, because IF
there IS a connection between British intelligence, Scientology, and The
Process --if, for example, Process was used sometimes as a "clearing house"
for subjects used in GOVERNMENT "mind control" experiments-- it would more
likely be
through "Mrs" DeGrimston [I can't even recall her name without digging out my
notes]
than her partner (who gets most of the credit), and if THAT connection could
be well
documented, it might lead to even MORE -- because it's long been my feeling,
just from odd bits of suggestive circumstantial stuff, that the
Keeler/Profumo scandal that brought down the British government was somehow
running parallel to the POTENTIAL scandal brewing from John F. Kennedy's
secret dalliances with FOREIGN call girls, including (much to J. Edgar
Hoover's dismay!) one who was thought to be a KGB "sparrow," only a year or
so before the President's assassination -- and that, once we factor into the
foregoing the Tim Leary / Mary Pinchot Meyer relationship, with its CIA
overtones, a MUCH LARGER context, linking drugs, sex, and intelligence
agencies, is suggested ...

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[CTRL] Nato bombed Chinese deliberately

[Lucio Benedetto]

 -Caveat Lector-

Nato bombed Chinese deliberately
http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,92806,00.html
Nato hit embassy on purpose
Kosovo: special report

John Sweeney and Jens Holsoe in Copenhagen and Ed Vulliamy in Washington
Sunday October 17, 1999

Nato deliberately bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the war in
Kosovo after discovering it was being used to transmit Yugoslav army
communications.
According to senior military and intelligence sources in Europe and the US
the Chinese embassy was removed from a prohibited targets list after Nato
electronic intelligence (Elint) detected it sending army signals to
Milosevic's forces.

The story is confirmed in detail by three other Nato officers - a flight
controller operating in Naples, an intelligence officer monitoring Yugoslav
radio traffic from Macedonia and a senior headquarters officer in Brussels.
They all confirm that they knew in April that the Chinese embassy was acting
as a 'rebro' [rebroadcast] station for the Yugoslav army (VJ) after alliance
jets had successfully silenced Milosevic's own transmitters.

The Chinese were also suspected of monitoring the cruise missile attacks on
Belgrade, with a view to developing effective counter-measures against US
missiles.

The intelligence officer, who was based in Macedonia during the bombing,
said: 'Nato had been hunting the radio transmitters in Belgrade. When the
President's [Milosevic's] residence was bombed on 23 April, the signals
disappeared for 24 hours. When they came on the air again, we discovered
they came from the embassy compound.' The success of previous strikes had
forced the VJ to use Milosevic's residence as a rebroadcast station. After
that was knocked out, it was moved to the Chinese embassy. The air
controller said: 'The Chinese embassy had an electronic profile, which Nato
located and pinpointed.'

The Observer investigation, carried out jointly with Politiken newspaper in
Denmark, will cause embarrassment for Nato and for the British government.
On Tuesday, the Queen and the Prime Minister will host a state visit by the
President of China, Jiang Zemin. He is to stay at Buckingham Palace.

Jiang Zemin is still said to be outraged at the 7 May attack, which came
close to splitting the alliance.The official Nato line, as expressed by
President Bill Clinton and CIA director George Tenet, was that the attack on
the Chinese Embassy was a mistake. Defence Secretary William Cohen said:
'One of our planes attacked the wrong target because the bombing
instructions were based on an outdated map.'

Later, a source in the US National Imagery and Mapping Agency said that the
'wrong map' story was 'a damned lie'.

Tenet apologised last July, saying: 'The President of the United States has
expressed our sincere regret at the loss of life in this tragic incident and
has offered our condolences to the Chinese people and especially to the
families of those who lost their lives in this mistaken attack.

Nato's apology was predicated on the excuse that the three missiles which
landed in one corner of the embassy block were meant to be targeted at the
Yugoslav Federal Directorate for Supply and Procurement, the FDSP. But
inquiries have revealed there never was a VJ directorate of supply and
procurement at the site named by Tenet. The VJ office for supplies - which
Tenet calls FDSP - is some 500 metres down the street from the address he
gave. It was bombed later.

Moreover the CIA and other Nato intelligence agencies, such as Britain's MI6
and the code-breakers at GCHQ, would have listened in to communication
traffic from the Chinese embassy as a matter of course since it moved to the
site in 1996.

A Nato flight control officer in Naples also confirmed to us that a map of
'non-targets': churches, hospitals and embassies, including the Chinese, did
exist. On this 'don't hit' map, the Chinese embassy was correctly located at
its current site, and not where it had been until 1996 - as claimed by the
US and NATO.

Why the Chinese were prepared to help Milosevic is a more murky question.
One possible explanation is that the Chinese lack Stealth technology, and
the Yugoslavs, having shot down a Stealth fighter in the early days of the
air campaign, were in a good position to trade. The Chinese may have
calculated that Nato would not dare strike its embassy, but the five-storey
building was emptied every night of personnel. Only three people died in the
attack, two of whom were, reportedly, not journalists - the official Chinese
version - but intelligence officers.

The Chinese military attache, Ven Bo Koy, who was seriously wounded in the
attack and is now in hospital in China, told Dusan Janjic, the respected
president of Forum for Ethnic Relations in Belgrade, only hours before the
attack, that the embassy was monitoring incoming cruise missiles in order to
develop counter-measures.

Nato spokesman Lee McClenny yesterday stood by the official version. 'It was
a terrible mistake,' he 

[CTRL] Ed Flaherty-The Fed-No Conspiracy or Subterfuge

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

Don't get me wrong here, as far as I'm concerned the Federal Reserve is the
biggest scam ever run. Print money from debt and charge interest on it. The
biggest money maker is fractional reserve banking where Fed banks can lend
out 9 times the amount of Fed notes they have on hand at interest. I'm
playing devil's advocate here. Edward Flaherty has lorded it over the
Internet with his "the Fed's a public spirited Org" line of BS for several
years. I've read Edward Griffin's book "The Creature From Jekyll Island,"
Tony Suttons's "The Federal Reserve Conspiracy," "The Debt Virus" by
Jainkarin and watched the Money Masters video set, but I'm still not
confidant that I could debate Flaherty convincingly. Gavin.
Below is Flaherty's opinion, not mine.

In a message dated 10/16/99 4:41:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< In a message dated 10/16/99 12:56:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

 > Schauf and the Coalition argue this would be an "interest-free" form of
 >  currency.  However, there is no functional difference between U.S. Notes
 and
 >  the Federal Reserve notes we now use.  Neither impose a net interest
burden
 >  on the Treasury.  The key difference between the two currencies is who
 >  controls the issuance.  The publicly-appointed Board of Governors now
 >  controls the emissions of Federal ReserveNotes and can make monetary
policy
 >  decisions largely independent of political pressure.

 The idea that the monetary policy is free of political pressure is patently
 absurd on the face of it.  The FED Chairman routinely makes decisions based
 on political expediency and pressure, viz his raising and lowering of
 interest rates to abate inflation or spur the economy.



**
***

 "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
 mind to correlate all its contents.
   We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
 and it is not meant that we should
   voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
 hitherto harmed us little; but someday
   the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
 vistas of reality, and of our
   frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
 or flee from the deadly light into the
   peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"
  >>

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[CTRL] WHY ARE THERE WITCHES?

[earthman]

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The following post confirms my leanings of late, that we should all become
witches..It is a craft that uses all the "new age" techniques, split into
it's factions as a way to isolate each of the crafts.
With witch craft you will replace Religious Faith with Magic..
If you are to study one thing, let it be wicca..

Peter

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October 11, 1999
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WHY ARE THERE WITCHES? For Halloween, a History of Belief in Witchcraft and
Demons

Without the theologians, there would be no witches.

That is one of the major conclusions of Walter Stephens' forthcoming book,
"Demon Lovers: Witchcraft, Sex, and Belief" (University of Chicago, 2000).
Stephens, the Charles S. Singleton Professor of Italian Studies at The Johns
Hopkins University, has researched and published extensively on medieval and
modern literature. In his latest book, he traces the first century of belief
in witches (ca.1430-1530) and its relevance to the present day.

Until now, most historians have held that witch hunts, which began in
earnest around the 1450s, were either a tool of repression, a form of
reining-in deviant behavior, a backlash against women or a tool of the
common people to name scapegoats for spoiled crops, dead livestock or the
death of babies and children.

But Stephens, who has studied writings about sorcery and magic by
theologians and intellectuals dating back to the 11th century, argues that
the belief in witches filled the need for a different kind of scapegoat.

"I think witches were a scapegoat for God," Stephens says.

Until the 1400s, clerics ridiculed the belief in witches as ignorant
superstition. But by the 1430s, the Christian intelligentsia had begun
producing treatises that "proved" the existence of witches.

Stephens holds that theologians went to great lengths to prove that women
could consort with demons because the theologians were repressing their own
spiritual doubts. They couldn't find a physical means to prove that the
world of spirit exists. But by "proving" that witches caused real damage,
and received the power of witchcraft from their demon lovers, theologians
could demonstrate the reality of the spiritual world. How can you have sex
with an imaginary being? And how can a mere woman cause so much harm without
demonic aid? The "reality" of witches not only explained why bad things
happen, but, through witches' connections to demons, also provided inverse
physical proof of the existence of God.

"Otherwise, late medieval Christians were left facing their questions as to
why bad things happen," Stephens says. "In their pre-scientific,
Biblically-based world view, the only alternative to witches and demons as
an explanation of misfortune is a God not powerful enough to stop bad things
from happening or not good enough to try. In just about any period of
history where theologians repress those questions, you tend to find witch
hunts. It's very Freudian at the bottom: The thoughts that you refuse to
think, you will act out in some violent, seemingly illogical way."

So how did theologians prove that women could consort with demons?
Confessions.

According to the "Hammer of Witches" (1487), the fundamental handbook of
witch hunting, witches, through their confessions, became "expert witnesses"
to the power, both sexual and magical, of demons. Historians estimate that
in Europe and North America, between 1450 and 1700, at least 30,000 people,
three-fourths of them women, were forced to confess participation in
witchcraft or consorting with demons and subsequently executed. And who, the
defenders of witch hunting asked, would confess to impossible crimes,
knowing the confession would cost their lives?

Today, there are modern "good witch" movements, like Wicca. Stephens argues
that voluntary participation in "witchcraft" is the same old question asked
in a new way. It is another attempt, by people who find Christianity
unsatisfying, to make the spirit world seem real. The difference between
inquisitors of yore and modern witches is that the latter are unafraid --
indeed eager -- to admit their dissatisfaction with Christianity.
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Re: [CTRL] Hegel [repost]

[Das GOAT]

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In a message dated 99-10-16 17:22:39 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>In a message dated 10/16/99 7:31:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>>  Just read your Hegel piece for the first time !
>>
>>  I spent quarter century in Universities in several countries and I do not
>>  recall any idiot professor with your brilliance of exposition...this
>> should  be required reading.
>>  Ive been trying for years to say that right -left is a phony

Thought you'd like that ...  A little lacking in "brilliance," in my own
opinion, that post --originally intended as an intro to a series of
philosophical history studies for CTRL subscribers I was planning back in '97
when I had free time) because, being a fast first draft, it suffers from my
usual bad habits in prose, e.g., sentences with multiple clauses in
parentheses, rarely a declarative sentence without "footnotes" squeezed into
it ...

But all in all, I suppose it's a passable outline of what major
socio-political-psychological problems HEGEL, our Plato in modern dress, has
caused us.  What most of us today
fail to realize --as I'm sure YOU know!-- is that the Left/Right dichotomy,
sanctified as an "article of faith" by the Cold War, is not a dichotomy at
all but a local difference in "public image" between two variants of
TOTALITARIANISM, each of the two based on COLLECTIVISM and the coercive
identification of the populace with the "Holy" State,
its "Sacred Tradition," and its "Glorious Leader," all these glorified with
quasi-religious
fervor rationalized (made "rational") as "patriotism" and "nationalism" or
"imperialism."

It's Hegel whom we can blame for our post-Enlightenment "mystical"
reification of the State and its ruling class (treated as if a "priesthood"
with some kind of "divine right") -- a rational-materialist's answer to
contemporary loss of faith in a "Holy" Roman Empire (which wed the mystique
of an elite "born to rule" politically with the irrational worship of
authority and tradition in the Catholic Church), erecting an ersatz
SUBSTITUTE for it.

Beyond the puppet-show set up by Hegel, Left AND/OR Right TOTALITARIANISM and
COLLECTIVISM is only half the full picture -- only one pole of a GREATER
dichotomy
or dualism, with "democratic" LIBERTY and INDIVIDUALITY at the OPPOSITE pole.
Both Communists and Fascists (even Nazis) were functionaries --"drones"-- of
a "hive"   society based on the individual's self-immolating identification
with The Greater Whole,
whether as a "Volk" revering the State's authority or as authority-figures
themselves.
Examining that definition squarely, even "Americans" are guilty of the same
tendency toward MASS-identification -- made to seem less "mass"-like ONLY by
the process of ABSTRACTION, by which their MASS-identity is directed toward
worshipping certain "rational" IDEALS (The Free World, The Good Society,
Humanitarian Peacekeeping, etc) which really have NO REAL-WORLD SUBSTANCE
apart from offering the citizenry a "feel-good" alibi for obedience to the
"authority" of an amoral, hypocritical oligarchy.

Before the de facto demise of the Church and Papacy in the late 16th Century
and early 17th Century, if men required an "explanation" for their pitiful
subservience to others in a feudal society rooted in special privilege and
unequal liberty, RELIGION provided this,
in such myths as "divine right" and Paul's promise of "justice" only in the
AFTER-life.
When, however, the masses awakened from their hypnotic trance (till then
maintained by the mass-media monopoly of the late-medieval Church) to find
that the rule of RAW POWER continued and the FEUDAL nature of government,
little changed, persisted,
and the masses began to REVOLT --the defining event of the 17th and 18th
Centuries--
an effective "explanation" for the unequal servile status of most of the
populace had to be sought elsewhere, in PHILOSOPHY, the intelligentsia's
substitute for "theology."

Hence HEGEL, who did for the Old Order in Europe what Plato did for the Greek
elite
of his time, longing for an Absolutist State such as encountered abroad in
Persia and looking forward, without knowing it, to the "Empire" of Alexander
and then of Caesar 
But Hegel's peculiarly European philosophical "solution" to the societal
crisis manifest in the French Revolution (Hegel viewed the parallel American
Revolution with disdain) stands in vivid contrast to another "solution"
postulated by less religiously-influenced thinkers in Britain and in America
-- a pragmatic re-evaluation of INDIVIDUAL liberty, more down-to-earth and
less abstract (devoid of Plato's divinized "Ideal") and with no rose-colored
glasses concerning the raison d'etre for the State and its Ruling Class.
No glamor in politics, no State-worship, no subjective idealizations of
"Tradition" --
just practical operating principles to assure every individual's personal
freedom from abuse by those who seek POWER --unjustly-- by depriving others
of their RIGHTS
(typical

Re: [CTRL] Jon Benet Ramsey

[Sammark4]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 10/16/1999 8:43:01 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I am quite surprised that I have seen little of this case mentioned here in
>  the last couple of days what with the grand jury being dismissed with no
>  findings.  It was a topic of discussion for some time but now apparently
has
>  ceased to be of importance to us.

Oh, I've done little else these last days but re-read up on this case and
discuss it in other forums.  It is a terribly important case.  Unfortunately,
I have not been successful in drumming up much interest, though I've been
doling out info and pushing to the point of sheer rudeness.
It is completely impossible to overestimate the importance of this case.
It's hugely pivotal.  I would have hoped our society was no so terribly
unhealthy that the powers-that-be would not have resigned themselves to
surrendering "some of their own" being that there is such an intense
spotlight focused here.
The arrogance in the cover-up of this crime is truly shocking.  The depth
of the protection of these military/industrial complex drones, as well as the
cover-up itself, are near in their breadth to the JFK assassination!  It's
mind-boggling.
 I've been deeply moved by the heroic efforts of former Detective Arndt
in trying to get her info out.  She was interviewed on Good Morning America a
few weeks back and she has a chilling story to tell.  She was the first
detective on the scene.  She has been scapegoated and criticized and nearly
personally broken over this case.  As long as she remained on the force, she
was unable to speak publicly.  She received so much criticism, was never
allowed to defend herself, and was never defended by anyone on the force in
the face of lies told about her, that she now has a lawsuit pending against
the police department.  She has resigned and is speaking out.  Please look
over the transcripts of the show.
http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html
 http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html">"ARNDT GMA
TRANSCRIPTS"

Samm



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[CTRL] Jon Benet Ramsey

[TenebrousT]

I am quite surprised that I have seen little of this case mentioned here in
the last couple of days what with the grand jury being dismissed with no
findings.  It was a topic of discussion for some time but now apparently has
ceased to be of importance to us.  This is a tragic case, one that involves
the powerful and the elite and influential and their ability to scoff at the
law which holds the "rest of us" hostage to Police State terror tactics and
fascist agendas.  Let me recommend, once again, Robert Sterlings excellent
commentary on the whole sordid business in his monograph "Jon Benet Ramsey:
and the air in Colorado" which should be available at his website;
http://www.konformist.com.  I urge everyone to read it and then take a look
at the whole sordid business with a fresh perspective and ask yourself; do
you want this little girls death to go unpunished and do you want the case to
continue to be handled in the most bumbling way that it has been?  I will
append the monograph here for your perusal, you might want to visit the
Konformist anyway since RS always has got some good stuff floating around.




around.
*

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"


A Konformist Special
Daddy's Little Princess:
JonBenet Ramsey & The Air In Colorado

"Evil on this scale is impossible to comprehend.  To know who 
murdered JonBenet 
Ramsey is to know what world we live in, 
where we are."

James R. Gaines, former 
managing editor, Time Magazine, 
January 20, 1997 issue


December 25, 1996 seems, in 
retrospect, a perfect day for a 
ritual occult slaying.  Among the scholars who 
believe that 
Jesus was a real figure, the year of his birth is most 
commonly 
believed as being in 4 B.C., making the date the 
2,000th Xmas celebration since his 
coming.  And indeed there 
were celebrations on 4 B.C.: the holiday is older than the 
Christian myth.  To quote Acharya S.:


Many of the world's crucified godmen have 
their traditional 
birthday on December 25th.  This is because the ancients 
recognized that (from an earthcentric perspective) the sun 
makes an annual descent 
southward until December 21st or 
22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving 
southerly for 
three days and then starts to move northward again.  During 
this time, 
the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" 
for three days and was "born again" 
on December 25th.  The 
ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun 
to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if 
the sun continued to 
move southward and did not stop and 
reverse its direction.  Thus, these many 
different cultures 
celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.


What we 
have in Yuletide, then, is a resurrection myth 
celebration, a day of recognizing a 
moment of a new age.  We 
still see this myth in an updated form in the modern "Baby 
New Year" mythology, who comes on January 1, which was day 
seven of the Feast of 
Fools - and now curiously of Kwanzaa, 
the African-American holiday.

(Incidentally, 
among the religious cults which celebrated 
such a holy day was the Mithra sun god 
cult that Roman 
Emperor Constantine was part of.  Along with holding December 
25th 
sacred, Sunday - the day of the sun - was their holy day 
of the week.  
Coincidentally, at around the time of 
Constantine's reign, the Christian cult leaders 
made December 
25th the celebration of Jesus' birthday and Sunday their 
Sabbath.  
Although this was considered an act of blasphemy by 
other Judaic cults, Constantine 
issued the Edict of Milan 
soon after, officially granting tolerance of Christianity 
in 
the Roman Empire.)

And so, the morning after this metaphorically significant 
day, a phone call was placed in Boulder, Colorado at 5:52 
A.M.  The receiver of the 
call was a 911 dispatcher for the 
Boulder Police Department.  The sender of the call 
was an ex-
beauty queen named Patsy Ramsey.  The message?  "Send help.  
Send help."

Help was indeed sent.  As Officer Richard French arrived less 
than seven minutes 
later, Patsy was in hysterics.  She showed 
Officer French a three page handwritten 
note.  As she wept, 
her husband John appeared cool and collected, although he 
appeared to pace quite a bit.

The note began simply enough:  "Mr. Ram

[CTRL] Missing Children

[TenebrousT]

 -Caveat Lector-

For those of you who wonder about the state of affairs in this country this
should be telling information.  For those who scoff at the idea of "satanic
sacrifice" (though I am neither supporting nor denying its reality, at least
not in this message) with children as victims, just look at the sheer numbers
here. . .

Statistics


 The U.S. Department of Justice in May 1990 released a study reporting that
in 1988 there were as many as:

114,600 attempted abductions of children by nonfamily members

 4,600 abductions by nonfamily members reported to police

300 abductions by nonfamily members where the children were gone for long
periods of time or were murdered

354,000 children abducted by family members

450,700 children who ran away

127,100 children who were thrown away

438,200 children who were lost, injured, or otherwise missing







   ***
**

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Political News Media Bias Strikes Abroad]

[A.C. Szul]

FYI. Presedential elections in Ukraine are only a few week away.
According to various polls, Kuchma --the current prez-- is leading.
-A



10-16-99

While the U.S.-based volunteer grassroots effort
'Coalition To End Media Bias' [CEMB]
[http://www.egroups.com/group/cemb/fullinfo.html] is
all about media bias in American political news
reporting, some interesting news to report from abroad
regarding media bias and elections.

In a recent opinion poll, distributed this past Friday
at a Capitol Hill briefing on Ukraine's pending
elections [now only several weeks away], a whopping
64% majority say that the Ukrainian news media has
shown "partisan support for different candidates and
parties in their coverage of the 1999 presidential
election so far."

In the 1999 poll, conducted for the International
Foundation For Election Systems [IFES], by
SOCIS-GALLUP, Kiev, a majority of Ukrainians said that
the "media has the responsibility to provide in-depth
analysis of candidates and parties in order to aid
voters' decision-making." However, even though voters
there insist that the media should provide unbiased
critical analysis, the media has continued to  present
a partisan view of the pending elections, according to
the polling results.

In a question the asks about the importance of the
media to analyze differences between the candidates
and parties on various issues, 71% said that this is
"at least important" to do.  The results also indicate
that one-third of the people questioned say that this
type of analysis is "very important."

In their final report, the researchers write that the
poll findings may indicate that the failure to
perceive clear differences between the candidates'
approaches to solving Ukraine's problems is due to the
public _not_ receiving this type of analysis from the
media.

It gets even more interesting. According to an IFES
report, "Ukrainian Political Issues and Media Focus
Groups: A Summary of Findings,' released earlier this
year, most Ukrainians "believe that the media is
dominated by foreign and domestic political agendas
and personalities."  The report further finds that,
"the [Ukrainian] public sees the problem as not just a
lack of quality reporting, but an attempt to influence
public opinion through presentation of factual
information taken out of context or unsubstantiated
claims."

It's no surprise that folks are just plain sick of
media bias when it comes to political news reporting.
And why shouldn't they reject the media's attempts to
shape public opinion? After all, a democracy, such as
the kind trying to break out in Ukraine, does not need
media interference. Quite the opposite -- it rejects
it.

Furthermore, in its conclusion, the report finds that,
"The expectation [on the part of Ukraine's citizenery]
is for the media to attempt to inform rather than
influence the public."

Even though these conclusions go further [i.e. lack of
critical information on the verge of national
elections] than to simply reveal a corrupt and biased
media, it's important to realize that, sadly, media
bias does not only exist in the U.S. political news
reporting but in various countries across the world as
well.

The briefing was co-sponsored by the Commission on
Security and Cooperation in Europe
[http://www.house.gov/csce/]and the Congressional
Ukrainian Caucus.

-Andy
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Re: [CTRL] Whitley Strieber, "Mind Control" and the CIA

[TenebrousT]

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In a message dated 10/16/99 6:31:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

>   Was Strieber --primarily an imaginative horror-fiction author--
>  "programmed" in England, given the basics of his "alien gospel" which he
has
>  expounded ever since?
>   If so, exactly who "programmed" him, and for what "social engineering"
>  purpose?
>
>

Can't say about him personally but it has long been my opinion in this matter
that horror, and other avant garde writers and artists are frequently
controlled and used to implant memes within society and "test the waters"
with new paradigms and ideas.  Much of this could be voluntary, viz the
allegations that Strieber was a witting intelligence tool.  Much, however, is
unwitting on the part of those artists who are "in the program".


program".  
*

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of reptile Sitchin

[Andrew Hennessey]

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well  David Ike says Sitchin is one of the most evil Reptile
shapeshifters who specialises in disinformation and gets his most serious
critics killed.

Das Boot could be on the other Foot !

Andrew

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[CTRL] Canada & CTBT

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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From
http://www.globeandmail.com/offsite/International/19991016/UREPUN.html

{{Emailable}}

{{}}

U.S. Congress embraces spirit of isolationism
Defeat of test-ban treaty only the latest
of many anti-global stands led by Jesse Helms
ANDREW COHEN
Washington Bureau
Saturday, October 16, 1999

Washington -- If there is a poster boy for American insularity and suspicion,
one need look no further than Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina, the arch-
conservative, irascible and unyielding chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee.

When it came to killing the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty this week, Mr. Helms
was front and centre. He didn't like it and he wouldn't have it -- like
virtually every other treaty and international obligation he has met in his 27
years in office.

The White House lobbied hard to postpone the Senate vote on the nuclear test-
ban treaty, knowing it lacked the support for ratification. But Mr. Helms, who
had refused to hold committee hearings on this far-reaching pact, balked. He
had vowed to give the treaty "a Capitol Hill funeral" and he kept his word.

Mr. Helms is not alone; his general antipathy to foreign entanglements is
shared by many others in Congress. No wonder an angry President Bill Clinton
lashed out at the Republicans for handing him one of the most humiliating
defeats of his presidency. He accused them of representing "a new
isolationism."

For the embattled Mr. Clinton, however, there is nothing new about a Congress
determined to avoid global leadership. Rejecting the nuclear pact was only the
latest retreat in a country increasingly suspicious of the world.

"It's not a good sign," said Robert Litan of the Brookings Institution in
Washington. He has studied the growing fear of globalization in the United
States. "There is a know-nothingness in Congress that doesn't augur well."
The nuclear test-ban treaty may have been the most important pact the Senate
has rejected since the Versailles Treaty in 1919, but it is only the latest
example of how the Senate is distancing itself from the world. Since the end of
the Cold War, it has been open season on the internationalism that the United
States once proudly represented.

Mr. Clinton, for his part, is also responsible. He refused to sign the land-
mines treaty and support the world criminal court, both initiatives proposed by
Canada and embraced by other countries.

But it is Congress that has refused to pay $1.7-billion (U.S.) in dues owed the
United Nations. Last year, it also withheld funds for months to the
International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

The United States did agree to the global warming treaty at Kyoto, Japan, but
that, too, is unlikely to be ratified by the Senate. A prominent senator
declared it "dead on arrival," and its passage is so unlikely that Mr. Clinton
may not even submit it.

If the United States is turning inward, it is largely because of a parochial,
protectionist Congress. In the Senate, Majority Leader Trent Lott and other
senior Republicans are as hostile to an active internationalism as Mr. Helms.
In the House of Representatives, Mr. Litan says, as many as 30 per cent do not
have passports. House Majority Leader Dick Armey, who once taught economics,
said pointedly last year: "I have been to Europe once. I don't have to go
again."

For years, it was also commonly thought that Mr. Helms cared so little about
the world that he refused to leave the country. That isn't true, much as
critics thought it could be. He has travelled abroad but rarely in an official
capacity because, according to an assistant, "he says it costs too much money."
While Mr. Clinton has been successful in brokering peace in Northern Ireland
and the Middle East, he has been dogged in foreign policy by Mr. Helms and a
reluctant Congress from his first days in office.

His earliest victories were trade-related, winning approval for the
establishment of the World Trade Organization and the North American free-trade
agreement. But when he sought a renewal of "fast-track" authority to negotiate
trade agreements in 1997, Congress denied it.

There were other defeats. Led by Mr. Helms, the Senate rejected former governor
William Weld of Massachusetts as Ambassador to Mexico. Although Mr. Weld was a
fellow Republican, Mr. Helms said his support for using marijuana for medicinal
purposes made him inappropriate to serve in a country that exports illegal
drugs to the United States.

More recently, the Senate turned down Mr. Clinton's nominee for Ambassador to
Luxembourg, James Hormel, who is gay, and delayed for a year the appointment of
Richard Holbrooke as Ambassador to the United Nations.

Some observers caution that the defeat of the nuclear test-ban treaty in the
Senate doesn't necessarily mean the country is slipping into a new
isolationism. Rather, they say it reflects the d

Re: [CTRL] Report: Recovered Memories

[Smart News]

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Below please find excerpts from "BPS Report: Recovered Memories
British Psychological Society, January, 1995"

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

PS Please note : These excerpts are only part of this large web page and do
not cover all of the data presented in the article.

This may be triggering for survivors of abuse.

excerpts from http://york39.ncl.ac.uk/www/BRIT.html

BPS Report: Recovered Memories
British Psychological Society, January, 1995

Complete or partial memory loss is a frequently reported consequence of
experiencing certain kinds of psychological traumas including childhood
sexual abuse. These memories are sometimes fully or partially recovered after
a gap of many years.

Memories may be recovered within or independent of therapy.

Memory recovery is reported by highly experienced and well qualified
therapists who are well aware of the dangers of inappropriate suggestion and
interpretation.

However, overall, we agree with Lindsay and Read (1994) in a recent
comprehensive review:

There is little reason to fear that a few suggestive questions will lead
psychotherapy clients to conjure up vivid and compelling illusory memories of
childhood sexual abuse. p.294

However, apparent memories of abusive incidents from childhood can occur
quite spontaneously, usually triggered by some outside event or agency quite
independent of any ongoing therapy

We decided to obtain some preliminary answers by circulating BPS accredited
practitioners with a one page survey. This study will be reported in detail
elsewhere and the results presented here should be regarded as preliminary.
We had answers from 810 Chartered Psychologists who see nonpsychotic adult
clients. (See footnote 4.)

Over ninety percent have seen clients in the last year who report CSA (child
sexual abuse). We asked particularly about clients who reported recovering
memories from complete amnesia. About a third of our respondents said that
they had had clients recovering such memories before they had any therapy.
More than one in five have at least one client in the last year who recovered
a memory of CSA and nearly a third (a total of 225) have clients recovering
memories of a traumatic experience other than CSA. Over half the responders
have had at some time clients recovering memories of some kind.

Recovered memories are seen as sometimes or usually "essentially accurate" by
nine out of ten of our group.

Summary

There are high levels of belief in the essential accuracy of recovered
memories of child sexual abuse among qualified psychologists.

These beliefs appear to be fuelled by the high levels of experience of
recovered memories both for CSA and for non-CSA traumatic events.

Among the claims of the FMS Foundation are that the adult children who are
now making accusations of abuse had happy and problem-free childhoods. No
evidence has been offered by them in support of this claim, and it is
contradicted by the Foundation's own data, which indicate a high rate of
alcohol and drug problems in the families Certainly it would be
surprising if independent assessment of a group of sexually abused children
did not reveal more dysfunction than in a control group.

Three clinical studies of Multiple Personality Disordered patients in
particular have shown rates of between 75% and 90% for CSA and 50% and 82%
for CPA.

In conclusion, the examples we give indicate that CSA substantially increases
the risk of a variety of mental health problems in later life, but it does
not invariably lead to such problems. Factors such as severity of the abuse,
quality of early and later support and biological vulnerability may all
influence outcome. Similarly, CSA cannot explain all psychopathology and is
not the only traumatic experience related to increased risk of disorders such
as depression, anxiety and bulimia. Physical and emotional abuse, and other
abusive and stressful experiences throughout the life course have been shown
to be independent risk factors for these disorders

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[CTRL] Foreign Thoughts on CTBT

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From Slate.CoM



international papers

America in the Doghouse

By Alexander Chancellor


A worldwide chorus of outrage greeted the U.S. Senate's refusal to
ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, but the Daily Telegraph
of London was a rare dissenter. In a rather limp editorial Friday,
it described Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., an opponent of the CTBT,
as "a scholarly, moderate, highly respected legislator" whose views
should be taken seriously. "The instruments for the control of the
evil of nuclear proliferation must be effective," it said. "It is
such questions that the Senate vote has rightly raised." The
Telegraph also ran an article by Richard Perle, a former U.S.
assistant secretary of defense, attacking British, French, and
German leaders for trying to influence the Senate vote through an
article in the New York Times. "Why didn't the Senate congratulate
its friends [Blair, Chirac, and Schroder] on their wise and timely
counsel?" he asked. "I suspect that one reason is that the Senators
have actually read the treaty and understand how deeply flawed it
is, how unlikely it is to stop nuclear proliferation or even
nuclear testing, and how it has the potential to leave the United
States with an unsafe, unreliable nuclear deterrent. ... In
domestic affairs, no-one would seriously propose that the police
and criminals come together and sign agreements under which they
accept the same set of restraints on their freedom of action."

British papers were otherwise unanimous in their condemnation of
the Senate. In the liberal Guardian, foreign affairs columnist
Martin Woollacott said Republican senators "sent out a dismal
message--of American selfishness, American foolishness, and
American readiness to put her own safety first, whatever the
consequences for the rest of us." A Times of London editorial said
the vote was "a serious blow to America's political and moral
authority" and that the "Senate Republicans, by exploiting the
opportunity to inflict a very public defeat on a lame-duck
President, have done their country, and their allies, a grave
disservice."

The Independent ran an article jointly authored by Professor Harald
Muller, director of the Peace Research Institute in Frankfurt,
Germany, and William Walker, professor of international relations
at the University of St. Andrews, Scotland, who said the vote was
"deplorable" and reflected a situation in which "American policy is
increasingly being shaped by people with isolationist, or, even
worse, a supremacist agenda. They want to expand military programs,
weaken international institutions and run the world by flaunting
power." An op-ed piece in the Financial Times said the vote
underlined "the extent to which international considerations have
been pushed to the fringes of American politics. The broad
consensus about US responsibilities in the world has fractured."

In Paris, Le Monde's main front-page headline Friday was "America
Reopens the Nuclear Arms Race," and the paper said in an editorial
that "in the essential area of nuclear nonproliferation, the United
States has set the worst possible example." It concluded, "The
world's greatest power will from now on be less credible on the
international scene." Le Figaro, in a signed editorial by Pierre
Rousselin, used exactly the same phrase as Le Monde when it called
the vote "an unprecedented snub"--"un camouflet sans précédent"--to
a president of the United States. Bill Clinton's credibility is now
damaged, perhaps irredeemably, as he embarks on his last year at
the White House. "French people will easily remember the United
States' virulent campaign against our nuclear tests in the
Pacific," Rousselin wrote. "At that time, in 1996, Bill Clinton
defended the CTBT to get himself re-elected. Today, Washington has
no lessons to give anybody." In a report from Washington, Le Figaro
told George W. Bush that he is now the candidate of a "blind,
reactionary and inward-looking party." The Frankfurter Allgemeine
Zeitung of Germany said the vote was a rejection of security
through international cooperation. "That, after the Senate's
decision, is what the Europeans should be thinking about most."

The Washington correspondent of La Repubblica of Rome put some of
the blame on Clinton for not resigning over the Monica Lewinsky
crisis. "This terrible defeat, more so for all of us than for the
image of America, was exactly what was feared might happen in those
days of 1998 when Clinton was forced to admit in public to his own
pathetic errors as a man and to his own unforgivable lies as a
president, and therefore had to undergo the indignity of a public
trial over the Monica affair. ... The price for his survival in
office has been paid now and been paid by the rest of the world."

In one of the two nuclear powers on the subcontinent, the Times of
India said in an editorial that it is now "absolutely certain" that
neither Russia nor China will ratify the CTBT. It said Clinton's
credibility ab

[CTRL] Technology, Censorship

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From http://www.freedomforum.org/technology/1999/10/13katz.asp

Technology, censorship slayer
By Jon Katz
First Amendment Center scholar
10.12.99

What do you think? Have your say in The Forum.

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It's ironic that technology might ultimately be the good friend the First
Amendment has been waiting for. Despite us, ideas are free, available and
protected in ways the Constitution's framers never dared dream of, but
fervently hoped for.

In the past few weeks, a series of institutions and public figures have run
headlong into America¹s mythology about itself, particularly the demonstrably
absurd idea that this is a free country.

Censorship is a natural, perhaps even a biological instinct. Nobody likes to
see himself as a censor but everybody, from school principal to parent to mayor
to flamer, seems to feel the call. We almost reflexively want to quiet what
disturbs, provokes and offends us.

Check out almost any topic or opinion posted on public Web sites, from Salon to
Slashdot to USA TODAY to CNN. There's usually one or more — frequently lots
more — messages declaring that a person or idea doesn't belong here or
shouldn't be expressed, assuming that the offending idea hasn't already been
meta-moderated into oblivion. And this is one of the freest places in media,
new or old.

But technology, as any teen-ager knows, is a wicked censorship slayer. Almost
all information is now available almost everywhere. Memes, ideas, arguments,
opinions — none can be universally corralled or suppressed. Heretics and hell-
raisers have never thrived so much.

Priests and ministers can't control dogma, lawyers can't monopolize the arcane
and expensive language of law, politicians can't impose ideology, publishers
can't monopolize editorial content, academics can't keep a lock on research,
and journalism can't control the social agenda. Technologies like the Net and
the Web have made this so.

But here's the irony. Even as technology makes censorship virtually impossible,
people keep trying harder to do it.

The Brooklyn Museum of Art faces the loss of a third of its annual budget, even
eviction, because the mayor of New York City finds a painting in an exhibit
offensive.

Some leaders of the Reform Party are demanding Minnesota Governor Jesse
Ventura's ouster because of a Playboy interview in which he said, among other
things, that people who support organized religion are weak-minded and needy.
(Ventura ran his campaign on the Net, bypassing traditional media and expensive
campaign structures). Good thing H.L. Mencken, the legendary columnist who
savagely skewered members of the clergy as hypocrites, blowhards and airheads,
died a generation ago. He couldn't get a job on any newspaper in America
today).

GOP Presidential Candidate Pat Buchanan has been told — by Senator John McCain
among others — to leave the Republican Party because his book argues that the
United States had no pressing self-interest in entering World War II.

And in perhaps the ugliest and most significant of all these conflicts,
Princeton bioethicist Peter Singer has been reviled as a mass murderer and
attacked by politicians, university contributors and trustees, and advocates
for the handicapped.

He's been forced to teach in a guarded unmarked classroom because he's argued
that in certain circumstances, parents ought to have the right to kill a
severely disabled newborn in order to prevent or end the child's suffering and
preserve the family's happiness and well-being. Euthanasia, he argues, is
sometimes a lot more compassionate than the withdrawal of life-support systems.

The First Amendment has never been a particularly popular one, which is why it
needs friends so badly. Americans have always embraced freedom until somebody
says something they don't like. Then they like to fire the offenders, chase
them away, close them down.

Technology makes all of these options unworkable. Hundreds of cable channels,
faxes and videotape, e-mail and cellphones make the notion of quelling an idea
or putting the person who advocates it out of business ridiculous. The Net is
inherently uncensorable. There are too many chat forums, messaging systems,
mailing lists and websites, and not enough cops.

When New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani threatened to shut down the Brooklyn Museum
for displaying a painting of a black Madonna with a clump of elephant dung
affixed to her chest, singer David Bowie announce he was putting the
"offending" exhibit up on his Web site.

Buchanan regularly takes to talk radio and cable interview broadcasts to
explain his philosophies about World War II directly to the public.

The Singer controversy is, in fact, a significant reason to stop and consider
the new reality of freedom and technology.

Singer is a complex, brave and brilliant philosopher and teacher. He is an
empassioned animal rights activist and has argued for years that affluent
people have a responsibility t

Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

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Yep. But only when the good Prof Chomsky writes on subjects other than
linguistics. His understanding of foreign policy, when you cut through the
lamentable prose, tends toward the ideologically predictable rather than the
stunningly insightful. So a hack he is indeed...

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[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary / Oct 16 / Pakistan / Tariq Ali

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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Date sent:  Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:35:21 +0100

Here is a bonus ZNet Commentary Delivery from Tariq Ali. The article
appeared in the British Observer/Guardian, Oct 14...and is so timely and
informative that I couldn't resist sending it along... If any readers know
how to contact Tariq Ali, please pass along that information to me.

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Tariq Ali
Thursday October 14, 1999

Pakistan is, once again, in the throes of a serious crisis. The country is
under martial law. The elected prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, his brother,
Shahbaz and General Ziaudin, the head of Inter Services Intelligence (ISI)
are under house arrest. Ever since its foundation in 1947, the Pakistani
state has been plagued by a failure to establish strong democratic
institutions. The reason is simple. From 1951 onwards, when the country
had become a US pawn in the cold war, Washington felt that the army was
the best guarantor of Washington's interests in the region. General Ayub
Khan's dictatorship (1958-68) was openly backed by the US state
department, till it was swept aside by a popular uprising that lasted
three months. General Zia's monstrous regime (1977-89) was spawned by the
Pentagon and the Defense Intelligence Agency, eager for a proxy to take on
the Russians in Afghanistan.

For the third time in its traumatic history, the army has seized power,
this time, apparently, against the advice of the US. The people -
disillusioned, apathetic, weary - appear indifferent to the fate of their
venal politicians. There is widespread disgust at the inability of
successive governments to control the scale of corruption. For several
years now, the decay at the heart of the administration had become a
national scandal. Politicians were so busy lining their own pockets that
they had little time to ponder the welfare of the country and its people.

In 1997 a palace coup, orchestrated by her own hand-picked president,
removed Benazir Bhutto. It was alleged that she and her husband, Senator
Asif Zardari, had used the Prime Minister's House to amass a large private
fortune, estimated at somewhere close to $1bn.

In the subsequent general elections, her long-time opponent, Nawaz Sharif
scored a triumph, winning 80% of the seats in parliament, but on the basis
of an exceptionally low turn-out. Only 25% of the electorate bothered to
vote. Benazir's supporters punished her by staying at home. The new
government had promised a great deal, but nothing changed.

The country continued to rot. Pakistan has never been able to provide the
bulk of its population with either free education or health, but in the
past it could offer food to the poor at subsidised prices and protect
innocent lives from random killings. No longer. Everything is falling
apart. A country that spends billions to fund its arsenal of nuclear
weapons, forces its poor to eat grass. The suicide rate among the poor,
driven insane by poverty, has risen sharply over the last decade. Last
January a transport worker in Hyderabad, who had not been paid for two
years, soaked himself in petrol and set himself alight outside the Press
Club. He left behind a letter: "I have lost patience. Me and my fellow
workers have been protesting the non-payment of our salaries for a long
time. But nobody takes any notice. My wife and mother are seriously ill
and I have no money for their treatment. My family is starving and I am
fed up with quarrels. I don't have the right to live. I am sure the flames
of my body will reach the houses of the rich one day."

The Sharif brothers and their father, strong believers in globalisation
and neo-liberal economics, helped create an enterprise culture in which
they genuinely believed that everything was for sale, including
politicians, civil servants and, yes, generals. There were widespread
rumours that, in order to buy time and make yet more money, the Sharif
family had provided sackfuls of general-friendly dollars to bolster their
support in the army. A section of the high command was enraged by this
civilian interference.

The immediate cause of the latest coup was Sharif's decision to sack the
army chief, General Musharraf while he was on an official visit to Sri
Lanka and appoint General Ziaudin in his place. Just as Pakistan TV was
showing Sharif appointing and congr

[CTRL] The Real Thing - A review by Jim Keith

[Nicola Molloy]

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 Original Message 
 The Real Thing - A review by Jim Keith
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:05:28 +1300
From: Nicola Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


The Real Thing
A review by Jim Keith

Cybernetic brain control, achieved by innocent-seeming
increments of technology:  A popular product provides the capital
for saturation advertising, saturation provides the continual
reinforcement via electronic brain massage so that a culture
takes on a hypnotic mode of acceptance, and the advertising
offers the carrier wave for really sinking the subconscious,
glandular meathooks in.

The ruthlessness, the cynicism of control makes it certain
that the puppet strings will continue to be implanted as deeply
in the flesh as the state of technology permits.

Take the image of Coca Cola as being "the real thing", the
all-American fun beverage, consumed by (if we are to believe the
ads) middle-American, horsing-around-on-the-beach, hot
dog-grilling, "soft" drink-swilling, fresh-faced teenagers (who
no doubt have as little idea of the techniques of Pavlovian
advertising as the rest of the world).  And then observe the
techniques by which Coke is actually sold.

I just watched a Coke ad on television and noted (as I have
noted in most of the ads for companies with the kind of cash
necessary to buy top flight Madison Avenue brain and gland
rinsing) a number of interesting things.

First, the jerking breasts of the teenage girl in a sack
race.

Coke, presumably, expects us to believe that is was a candid
shot taken in a slap-happy moment of abandon, but anyone with any
familiarity with film knows that it isn't.  The image is precise,
focused, choreographed.  The shot was chosen precisely for the
image of jerking breasts (virtually every Coke ad has one or more
images of jerking tits and fluxing buns, as do Pepsi commercials,
etc.).

Another image shows the uplifted Coke bottle with guzzling
teenager.  Let's not rule out that Coke executives, choosing the
imagery of the ad, may just possibly have considered the
fellation equation.

Another shot shows a toddler's diaper falling down, people
laughing uproariously at this no-doubt hilarious occurrance.
But the following cut is the telling one, where all of the
elements cum together.

A young woman, sitting on the lap of a fellow in a rocking
chair, falls backward onto him as the chair tips over.  Everyone
is still laughing (their asses off), but that precise posture of
anal penetration is shown in slow, loving motion.

Compare the strategy of this ad, its techniques for obtaining
and holding attention (what more fascinating image than analism,
the Coca Cola Company thinks) while the "Coke" message is drilled
in. Compare it with the above ground image of the company.

Wholesome, American, Fun, Youthful Wholesome, American, Fun,
Youthful Wholesome, American, Fun, Youthful  Wholesome, American,
Fun, Youthful  Wholesome, American, Fun, Youthful  Wholesome,
American, Fun, Youthful,  Wholesome, American, Fun, Youthful,
Wholesome, American, Fun, Youthful,  Wholesome, American, Fun,
Youthful  Wholesome, American, Fun, Youthful,  Wholesome,
American, Fun, Youthful.



Jim Keith is the author of Casebook on Alternative 3: UFOs,
Secret Societies and World Control, available for $12.95 from
IllumiNet Press, POB 2808, Lilburn, GA 30226.  1-800-680-INET.

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[CTRL] Shrinks Urged To Prepare Practice For Bio/Chem Attacks

[William Shannon]

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Psychiatrists Urged to Prepare For Chemical Or Biological Terrorists Attack

Attack 

WESTPORT, Oct 12 (Reuters Health) - Biological and chemical weapons pose a
very real domestic threat, and psychiatrists should be trained to deal with
such an attack in the opinion of Dr. Cleto DiGiovanni, Jr., of the National
Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, Maryland.

Dr. DiGiovanni reviews the potential neuropsychiatric effects of such an
attack in the October issue of the American Journal of Psychiatry.

Nerve agents such as sarin, tabun, soman and VX can cause intellectual
impairment, anxiety, psychomotor retardation, and sleep disturbances, Dr.
DiGiovanni writes. In some instances, he says, exposure to nerve agents has
caused "...depressed mood, social withdrawal, insomnia with unpleasant dreams
and 'antisocial thoughts'."

Just the threat of a chemical or biological attack can cause widespread
somatization disorders, acute stress, anger and anxiety, and actual disasters
have long-lasting psychological effects, according to Dr. DiGiovanni.

He notes that 18 months after the 1979 partial meltdown of the reactor core
at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant, area residents reported
"...significantly greater emotional stress, more global symptoms and somatic
complaints, and higher levels of anxiety and alienation than control groups."

Now is the time for psychiatrists to prepare for such disasters, Dr.
DiGiovanni urges. "The psychiatrist should review his or her hospital's mass
disaster response plan to ensure that the mental health component is more
than token."

He adds that efforts should be made to coordinate services without
duplicating efforts. "This coordination process should serve as a vehicle by
which the psychiatrist can educate others about the potential impact of
psychological casualties on the community, the spectrum of normal-to-abnormal
emotions reactions that may occur, and crisis intervention techniques."

Dr. DiGiovanni concludes with a solemn warning. "Remote though the
possibility of a terrorist-authored chemical or biological incident in an
American community may be, we must prepare for one. The agents are too easy
to acquire or manufacture and too easy to disperse for us to ignore that
possibility."

Am J Psychiatry 1999;156:1500-1505.

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[CTRL] Pinay Cercle

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://www.copi.com/articles/

CIRCLE OF POWER
Perhaps more sinister, and certainly more shadowy than the Bilderbergers,
the "Pinay Cercle" is an "Atlanticist" right-wing organisation of serving
and retired intelligence operatives, military officers and politicians that
conspired to "affect" changes in government. Amongst other things they claim
credit for engineering the election of Margaret Thatcher in the U.K. and may
have been behind the ousting of Australia’s Gough Whitlam.

 By David Guyatt




Now almost forgotten, the decade of the "Seventies" was a time of immense
political upheaval, dirty tricks and incessant rumours of right-wing
military Coup d’etats in leading western democracies. Amongst the long list
of resulting casualties of this "decade of tension" were Britain’s Prime
Ministers: Harold Wilson and Ted Heath, Australia’s Gough Whitlam, Sweden’s
Olaf Palme, America’s Jimmy Carter and France’s Francois Mitterand. The more
southern flanks of Nato’s European axis: Portugal, Spain, Turkey and Greece
converted rumour into chilling fact via the steel-blue glaze of gun-barrels.
Italy, home of Pizza, the Pope, and Propaganda Due (P2) came in for its own
brand of political fixit, courtesy of Uncle Sam’s very own CIA.

As the decade of the "eighties" slowly slipped above the now less than pink
eastern horizon, right-wing beneficiaries of a co-ordinated international
destabilisation programme gave their heart-felt thanks. Among them were
Britain’s Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher - Madonna of the Armaments industry -
and America’s less brittle, and considerably less acute, Ronald Reagan -
humble originator of the mega-tax-buck-swallowing SDI "Star Wars" programme
and also, thus, a valued friend of the boys at Guns R Us International.

These two decades saw a proliferation of right-wing, quasi official and
secretive groups that co-ordinated intelligence, propaganda and undertook
covert black-operations around the globe. One of the most shadowy of all is
the "Pinay Cercle", named after its founder Antoine Pinay, Premier of France
in 1951. Known more simply as "Le Cercle" it is recognised as a more
clandestine sister organisation to the already very secretive Bilderberg
Group1 - a "behind-the-scenes ‘invisible’ influence" network. 2 Both groups
share a familiar membership which includes Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew
Brzezinski and David Rockerfeller. Each of these three luminaries of the
international power network are, in addition to the foregoing, influential
members of The Trilateral Commission and the Council for Foreign Relations
as well as being regular attendees at Britain’s "Chatham House" - The Royal
Institute of International Studies - shadowy twin to America’s CFR.

Antoine Pinay was extremely influential in Europe and the United States,
where he had forged links with President Nixon. Pinay attended the
Bilderberg inaugural meeting in Oosterbeek, Holland during May 1952. By
1969, Pinay together with Jean Violet, a Lawyer working for the French
Intelligence Service SDECE, and Archduke Otto von Habsburg, heir to the
Austrian throne, formed Le Cercle, and secretly began recruiting men of
influence as members.3 The intention was to shift the political climate of
Europe to the far right via a secretly financed campaign of propaganda, and
to establish a private intelligence service that would work, unofficially,
with the existing security apparatus of the west. Author Stephen Dorrill
also believes there are serpentine inter-connections between Le Cercle and
the Gladio network, a "stay-behind anti communist" 4 military guerrilla
force set up by Nato’s Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE)
during the "fifties", that was largely composed of ex Nazi’s.

Le Cercle has a different flavour to Bilderberg, however. The latter is an
important link to the overt "influence" organisations cited above and almost
certainly focuses its efforts on the broader political issues, being careful
to keep well-away from "direct actions". Le Cercle has a much more "hands
on" role. Interestingly, its membership is more heavily composed of serving
or former members of various Intelligence Services, senior military officers
as well as politicians, bankers and VIP’s with right wing connections. The
"Cercle" was unknown until 1500 internal documents of the rightist (and Le
Cercle funded) Institute for the Study of Conflict, were leaked to Time Out
Magazine in 1975. Subsequently the documents have gone missing. At the time
ISC was headed by CIA agent and "Cercle" Chairman, Brian Crozier who was
heavily involved in another covert action group known simply as "The 61." 5

Unknown to Crozier, Hans von Machtenburg (a pseudonym) a senior intelligence
official of Germany’s Intelligence service, BND, (and a member of Crozier’s
"61") had been exchanging full reports on Crozier’s secret get-together’s
with Hans Langemann, formerly a seni

[CTRL] Fw: Fwd/ALERT! TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST

[Nicky Molloy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: Nicky Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SNET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, 17 October 1999 12:01
Subject: Fw: Fwd/ALERT! TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST


 Does anyone know anything more about this please ?  Thanks , Nicky


Hi all!

Remember in August when a story regarding an NWO plan
to neutron-bomb U.S. coastal cities in mid-September
(with attendant emergency status, roundups, etc) was
circulating in here and all over the web?

The link to the story no longer works:

http://users.sedona.net/~redstone/text.htm

Does anybody have a transcript of the web article?
If so, please post it to any one of these addresses. Thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Nicky Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mike Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Much thanks, Mike Wagner


-Original Message-
From: NewsHawk Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, 28 August 1999 20:15
Subject: Fwd/ALERT! TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST


Subject:
   [freedomfight] [Fwd: ALERT! TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS,
   RED-LIST]
 Date:
   Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:32:37 -0700
 From:
   Pat Rylance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Folks, this is serious...have more to forward.
I heard something about this on the Art Bell radio program last night.
Watch for more.
pat




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Subject:
 ALERT! TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST
Date:
 Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:50:29 -0700
   From:
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 To:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 27 17:07:24 1999
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:45:00 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Christopher Goodheart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ALERT!  TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST

RED ALERT!  Insider reveals plans by Feds to use neutron bombs in U.S,
provoking terror, Martial Law and purges of Patriots and militia leaders
who would defend the Constitution.

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the
highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its
experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." --Samuel Adams

CAUTION:  This information sounds fanatical to those who have not followed
the on-going expose's on the Internet about the Waco Massacre, Oklahoma
City Bombing, TWA 800 whack, China-gate, Mafia-gate, etc.  The numerous
cover-ups of the corrupt Clintonistas (power elite minions) are unravelling
like never before.  To keep CONTROL (the "currency" of the power elite),
these power elite desperados appear to be planning terror on a much larger
scale.

Clinton has said we can expect terrorism soon, and indeed, like
self-fulfilling prophecy, these desperate insiders may well wag the dog
again, saying "I told you so" when it happens... conveniently grabbing some
patriot, militia or Middle East scapegoats in the process.  [See background
report on "WOLVES AMONG US" at www.TLCalliance.com/alert.htm]

This is why the bankster/Clintonista collusion may choose to create and
manage a crisis now that will put them in control even before Y2K chaos
reigns. Something is clearly being planned along these lines. Pray for
exposure and confounding of those involved.

In the meantime, the best defense right now is a good offense.  Spread the
word aggressively to preempt these plans.  It's well known that former
sinister plans have been aborted when the element of surprise was lost.  SO
GET THE WORD OUT!!!  Alert your neighbors, friends, acquaintances. Paul
Revere had a horse and strong vocal cords. You've got e-mail and a phone.
For God's sake, use them. If enough good people don't do enough to resist
and reverse the plan and intent of a corrupt cadre of power elite insiders
and their minions, the void will be filled by virtually Satanic forces that
are on the move.  Invoke the power of Almighty God to "TAKE COMMAND" of
this entire situation!

Get back to basics folks! God, Guns, Gold & Grub. Pray & Prepare like your
life depends on it.  Stick to your guns.  And shoot straight!  --C.G.

"When the strong man fully armed guardeth his own court, his goods are in
peace." --Jesus Christ [Luke 11:21.6]

"I ask sir, what of the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm people
is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."  --George Mason,
Founding Father who initiated and championed what became the Bill of
Rights.

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained in
arms, is the best most natural defense of a free country..." --James
Madison

EXCERPTS:

 "Sometime during the dates of September 9th through 13th (these dates
are tentative) at least ten N

[CTRL] FOREIGN BANKERS OWN MAJORITY OF FEDERAL RESERVE

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/naij2.html


More that half the shareholdings in the Federal Reserve Bank arc controlled
by large New York City banks, including National City Bank, National Bank of
Commerce, First National Bank, Chase National Bank, and Marine National
Bank. When Rockefeller's National City Bank merged with J.P. Morgan's First
National Bank in 1955, the Rockefeller group owned 22 percent of the shares
of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which in turn holds the majority of
shares in the Federal Reserve System - 53 percent. But who really owns what?
Here arc the top controllers of the Federal Rwerve Bank

1. Rothchild banks of London and Berlin.

2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris.

3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy.

4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam.

5. Lehman Brothers Bank of New York.

6. Kuhn, Loeb bank of New York.

7. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, which controls all of the other 11
Federal Rwerve Banks.

8. Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York.

This ownership combination has been challenged by the Federal Reserve Bank,
but a study of Standards and Poors will verify the ownerships. This means
that the controlling interest of our national monetary system is foreign. In
1797, John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson, "All the perplexities, confusion
and distress in America arise, not from defects of the Constitution or
Confederation; not from any want of honor or virtue, as much as downright
ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation." In simple terms,
the United States Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve Bank
with interest. Here is how it works: The Government wants $1 billion. The
Federal Reserve prints $1 billion - based upon no hard asset - and lends it
to the Government at a high interest rate. The bank did not have the
original money, it created it and made a bookkeeping entry - like you
writing yourself a check without funds and cashing it. The Federal Reserve
controls the flow of money, making it tight and creating unemployment or
printing more than actually exists and creates inflation. It is, in
wessence, a paper corporation, which controls the entire economic well-being
of the nation.

CONCLUSION

No Congress, no President has been strong enough to stand up to the
foreign-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. Yet there is a catch - one that
President Kennedy recognized before he was slain - the original deal in 1913
creating the Federal Reserve Bank had a simple backout clause. The investors
loaned the United States Government $1 billion. And the backout clause
allows the United States to buy out the system for that $1 billion. If the
Federal Reserve Bank were demolished and the Congress of the United States
took control of the currency, as required in the Constitution, the National
Debt would virtually end overnight, and the need for more taxes and even the
income tax, itself. Thomas Jefferson was concise in his early warning to the
American nation, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control
the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the
people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on
the continent their fathers conquered."

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[CTRL] Hebrew Rocks

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

This is an email to Larry the rock man

Peter

The one I got named ATT00049.jpg from you

Just at a glance I see Hebrew letters in some of this

there's a lamed, a yod, a vav, a nun, a pey, a tav, a hey,

ON you site there is a set of symbols #3 that also have
some archaic Hebrew characters...(Enochian alpha characters)



We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
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[CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] FW: HAARP'S COVERT AGENDAS--THE BIG PICTURE//HAARP & Earthquakes

[Nicky Molloy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: Webmaster for Enoch Graphics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, 17 October 1999 3:58
Subject: [TheEagle-L] FW: HAARP'S COVERT AGENDAS--THE BIG PICTURE//HAARP &
Earthquakes


Here is a note from Norio, a friend of mine in CA.


GroomWatch: O.K...thanksTodd...this was a weird quake.
the motion that I felt was different from any other quakes I felt
before..it lasted for almost 45 seconds.weird motion
GroomWatch: it is very very suspicious-Original Message-
From: tddye [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 1:05 PM
Subject: HAARP'S COVERT AGENDAS--THE BIG PICTURE//HAARP & Earthquakes
Importance: High


Subject:
  HAARP'S COVERT AGENDAS--THE BIG PICTURE
 Date:
  Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:34:24 +
From:
  Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


===
8.19.99 Electromagnetic HAARP Technology Can Generate Earthquakes


NewsHawk Inc.

The U.S. Navy's top-secret, massive, global HAARP project has a long
list of objectives, agendas, goals... and targets.

This massive project includes among it's top-secret agendas the
triggering of SEISMIC DISTURBANCES.

In view of this and also in view of what happened in Turkey last week,
we present here a NewsHawk article written in May, 1998 on the many
astonishing covert agendas of the HAARP project.

ELF detectors did in fact pick up some very unusual, anomalous
electromagnetic signals emanating form the region where the 7.4 quake
struck Turkey, which could indicate "tampering" with earth's
geomagnetics by HAARP and/or similar/related technologies. Such
tampering, as our report below discusses, could in turn indicate that
HAARP transmissions may have been deliberately targeted to trigger a
quake in this seismically highly sensitive, unstable area.

John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.



- - - - - - - - - - - - -
HAARP'S COVERT AGENDAS--
--THE BIG PICTURE

Copyright 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc. All rights reserved.

HAARP--High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program. HAARP--the kind
angels will never strum. HAARP--the futuristic nightmare project which
is currently in operation, researching a wide variety of effects and
phenomena, as well as possible uses and applications for such, resulting
from beaming massively powerful radio signals into targeted regions of
the ionosphere; a project which has given environmental activists,
constitutionalists, airline pilots along with ionospheric physicists and
other groups, such as normal, ordinary people definite cause for some
serious concern.

Contrary to information made public by the operators of HAARP, it is no
longer a relatively small, preliminary venture limited to one
(nevertheless extremely powerful) transmitter site in the remote Alaskan
back country. Contrary to much of the official noise being generated
regarding the supposed "benign" uses for this multi agenda'd operation,
the internal intelligence/military documentation and a growing amount of
supporting material shows that HAARP is in fact at this point fulfilling
some highly secret and highly advanced functions; in fact, some very
negative and completely objectionable functions.

The acknowledged, publicized applications for potential applications of
HAARP technology are primarily:

Enhancement of or interference with communications, as well as
development of new types of radio transmissions;

"Investigation" of effects on weather patterns;

Earth-penetrating tomography -- an X-ray like function which can reveal,
for example, the existence of underground installations as well as oil
or mineral deposits.

Some of the other principal yet unpublicized goals are:

Weapons-related (physical/psychological disablement) and mind control uses;

Large scale tampering/modification of global weather patterns via
ionospheric disturbances;

"Pushing the envelope" in terms of pumping electromagnetic energy into
the ionosphere, just to see what happens.

It bears emphasizing here that any such references to HAARP being used
for EM mind control come directly from numerous internal documents and
repeated references therein to HAARP's capabilities as electromagnetic
mind modification/manipulation technology and intentions to so implement
HAARP.

There are yet further agendas for HAARP even more covert than these, as
this report will discuss.

HAARP ON LONG ISLAND!
Some very interesting information about HAARP has recently come light.
To provide a background for some of this information, we go back to
early last summer when Brookhaven National Laboratories on Long Island
underwent a significant and far reaching change of directorship, and
subsequently a change of direction and focus. The changes at Brookhaven,
one of the first National Laboratories established, received coverage
even in the national news media.

Brookhaven Labs has been repeate

[CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] HARRP HITS CALIFORNIA TODAY

[Nicky Molloy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: Enoch Shemna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, 17 October 1999 3:51
Subject: [TheEagle-L] HAARP HITS CALIFORNIA TODAY


Two days ago a friend of mine received information from an inside source
that HAARP would soon cause an earthquake in California and that they had
caused the earthquakes in Turkey recently and soon they will start striking
other major cities around the world.  My wife woke me up this morning to
tell me that California was just hit by a 7.0- my source was right, prepare
people, things are going to get very shaky soon.

Enoch

Below is an email that was sent out yesterday before this earthquake hit.

=

Portions of this article regarding artificial control of weather
mysteriously vanished from the version which reached our recipients
previously.

Trying again.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
10.15.99
Feds--Major S.F. Quake Due
--
HAARP "Acting Up?"


(c) NewsHawk® Inc.


Should we take this "warning" just delivered by the U.S. Geological
Survey--doubtless with all good intentions on their part--to mean that
HAARP and other electromagnetic systems with capabilities of inducing
seismic activity, [covert] government/military ELF/ULF transmission
systems, will in upcoming times be cranked up to 11 on a scale of 10;
then focused in on the San Francisco Bay area?

It does seem a bit odd that a warning of such "detail" should issued, in
light of a number of devastating quakes in a number of regions of late;
and, would that indicate some of those were "triggered", as well? The
questions really start to pile on when one considers the genuinely
awesome, PATENTED (no less!), DOCUMENTED, scientifically-VALIDATED
capabilities of HAARP's applied, Tesla-based
electromagnetic/radio-frequency transmissions in regard to such
"earthshaking" events.

Maybe the bio/chem warfare scenarios aren't going as well as planned for
NWO mass murderers and "genocidal" maniacs, so attempts will be made to
whip the physical, global environment into some kind a frenzy; using
HAARP and related technologies.

In fact, we discussed this very possibility in our reports "HAARP's
Covert Agendas" and "PHOENIX UNDEAD: The Montauk Project And Camp Hero
Today".

We don't feel this is simply paranoid musing--HAARP technology and
operational systems are almost totally under the control of the U.S.
Navy--described by a number of sources as the one branch of the military
most strongly and predominantly supportive of what could be called the
New World Order.

In addition, the potential for HAARP, and other ELF/ULF systems as noted
above, to induce "severe" (and often intentionally destructive,
catastrophic) effects upon weather is well-known AND officially
well-documented. Operations designed to implement this exact kind of
"weather control"--sometimes with chemical assistance from those
contrail-spraying military jets--are constant and ongoing.

Forget about what the Air Force said about "owning the weather by the
year 2025." Either they or the NWO in some guise or other "owns" it
already; at least to some degree.


We feel it's a safe assumption to say that many of the bead NWO honchos
don't like "people" in general, all that much.

This earthquake warning delivered by the U.S.G.S. could be one official
heads-up worth tuning in to.


(c) 1999 NewsHawk® Inc.


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters19991015_62.h


WIRE:10/15/1999 00:18:00 ET
Odds Raised For Major San Francisco
Earthquake


OAKLAND, Calif. (Reuters) - The San Francisco area has a 70 percent
chance of being hit by a major earthquake over the next 30 years, an
almost inevitable disaster that will nevertheless catch millions of
people unprepared, federal scientists said Thursday.

"We have earthquake probability distributed throughout the Bay Area,"
said USGS geologist David Schwartz, lead author of the new report.
"There really is no escape."

With more precise scientific tools at their disposal, researchers have
now raised their assessment of the risk. With a 10 percent margin of
error, the San Francisco area could be looking at as much as an 80
percent likelihood of earthquake disaster within three decades.



FAULT LINES ANALYZED

The new, higher probability released at a special earthquake
preparedness conference Thursday, reflected fresh understanding of the
network of fault lines crisscrossing
the area...

Scientists say a more frightening comparison is the 1995 temblor that
hit Kobe, Japan. Although that quake was somewhat stronger, measuring
magnitude 6.9, it is seen as a model for a future San Francisco quake
because the two areas are amazingly similar in both seismic stress and
urban development.

The Kobe quake killed more than 6,000 people and caused $100 billion in
damage.

Schwartz said that even if San Francisco continues to escape the
inevitable "Big One" measuring 6.7 or higher, there is an 80 percent
chance the Bay Area will be hit by one or more earthquakes measur

Re: [CTRL] Flaherty-Fed Interest is Payed Back

[TenebrousT]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 10/16/99 12:56:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> Like many others, this Federal Reserve myth is also incorrect.  Schauf and
>  the Coalition err in the argument by ignoring entirely the funds rebated
> from
>  the Fed to the Treasury each year.  This key detail essentially means that
>  the bonds held by the Federal Reserve are interest-free loans to the
federal
>  government -- the equivalent of printing money.  Federal Reserve Notes do
> not
>  cost the Treasury any net interest.  Indeed, Mr. Schauf, the numbers do not
>  lie.
>

One other comment here.  Since there "is no difference" between US Notes and
Fed Reserve Notes then why bother with a Federal Reserve in the first place?
The FED is not a-political, and it acts very much as a political entity.  If
these are interest free loans then why would anyone which to have an interest
in the Federal Reserve system, since there would be no ability to make any
money?  A poor investment, no?


no?  
*


"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
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Re: [CTRL] Flaherty-Fed Interest is Payed Back

[TenebrousT]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 10/16/99 12:56:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> Schauf and the Coalition argue this would be an "interest-free" form of
>  currency.  However, there is no functional difference between U.S. Notes
and
>  the Federal Reserve notes we now use.  Neither impose a net interest burden
>  on the Treasury.  The key difference between the two currencies is who
>  controls the issuance.  The publicly-appointed Board of Governors now
>  controls the emissions of Federal ReserveNotes and can make monetary policy
>  decisions largely independent of political pressure.

The idea that the monetary policy is free of political pressure is patently
absurd on the face of it.  The FED Chairman routinely makes decisions based
on political expediency and pressure, viz his raising and lowering of
interest rates to abate inflation or spur the economy.


  
*

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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Re: [CTRL] Hegel [repost]

[TenebrousT]

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In a message dated 10/16/99 7:31:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Mornin Das Goat
>
>
>
>  Just read your Hegel piece for the first time !
>
>  I spent quarter century in Universities in several countries and I do not
>  recall any idiot professor with your brilliance of exposition...this should
>  be required reading.
>
>  Ive been trying for years to say that right -left is a phony
>
>  Can I make a suggestion ?  I know people who think like this and should
read
>  your piece.Im an old codger and dont know how to relay to another E
mail
>  address.
>
>
>
>  If I sent you an address would you pass it on with a message that I
> suggested
>  transmission.   ?
>
>   I thought the State of California was short of teachers.!  you should be
in
>  the classroom   Das Goat
>
>  Your supporter
>

Hear, hear, from another supporter of the venerable Goat.  AND, if you like
that stuff, wait until he REALLY gets on a roll!  LOL  Seriously DasGoat is
quite an effective writer and encapsulates thoughts well.  We are fortunate
to have him on this list (as well as many others of above average caliber,
including MR. Sutton, and our list owner Kris, Lloyd Miller of A-albionic,
Kenn Thomas, etc. . . don't be offended if I haven't included your name
here), and I consider myself very fortunate to call him a friend.



friend.   
*

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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[CTRL] Sitchin's "Sumerian Astronomy"

[Das GOAT]

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  SITCHIN'S SUMERIAN ASTRONOMY REFUTED

  by Chris Siren
  http://pubpages.unh.edu/~cbsiren

 Here's a repost of my take on Sitchin from reading "Genesis
Revisited."  I send this out to people who ask me about Sitchin
through my Sumerian or Assyro-Babylonian Mythology FAQs.  I don't
include it in the FAQ because I don't want to lend legitimacy to
his writings.  Now my interest in Mesopotamian mythology is
purely amateur, but I have done a fair amount of research into it
and I am also a physics doctoral student with a special interest
in astronomy and astrophysics so I have a little insight into the
astronomical aspects of this:
 Enough people have written to me about his astronomical
ideas that I have developed a form reply which I include below.
As for the genetic engineering business, I don't think that holds
much water either.  This much is true: there are myths from
Mesopotamia dating back to about 4000 years ago which describe
the creation of man.
  In a couple of versions of those myths man is created in
order to do the work that the minor gods, the Igigi, don't wish
to do.  In one version, a god who is mentioned no where else,
Geshtu-e, is killed and his blood is mixed with clay to create
the first humans.  This bit is where Sitchin gets the idea of
genetic engineering.  Later, Enlil, the ruling god, gets tired of
the noise that man is making and starts sending disasters after
him, including the flood.  In another version of the creation of
man story, more in-line with the Sumerian version, man is created
with clay, but without any blood.  Several flawed versions are
fashioned before the final form is arrived upon.  I think these
myths speak more to the desire of the appreciation of human life
and the desire to see the divine within humanity than hint at
alien designs.
 His planetary identifications don't sit well with me.  I
have yet to see any evidence, such as an ancient sky chart or
telescope, that would suggest that the Sumerians could have
possibly seen Neptune or Pluto, or that they noticed Uranus.
Uranus is only visible with the naked eye on the clearest of
nights, moves so slowly that one would have to watch it over
years to notice movement without telescopic aid, and fails to
show up on any known pre-Galilean sky charts.
 (I've seen the diagram he claims comes from this Berlin
cylinder seal in "Genesis Revisited," but the "planets":
 a) seem out of proportion compared to their relative sizes
in reality (which is how one would expect one informed by the
Annunaki to depict them)
 b) they are also not in proportion to the relative
brightness of those objects as seen from Earth (which one might
expect had the Sumerians heard about them from someone else and
then figured out how to find them).
 c) it's not clear to me from that sketch what the Sumerians
identified those objects as.  The central object -the 8 pointed
star with the circle in the middle-- was often associated with
Ishtar/Inanna as the morning or evening star.  I have some
suspicion that if the seal is meant to be a depiction of the
heavens, it might be a map of a region of the sky as the planet
Venus (or perhaps another planet, but not the sun, which was
usually depicted as a disk or a winged disk) against a background
of stars.
  d) for an outsider's description of the solar system, it
seems particularly odd.  Why include Pluto, but not its moon
Charon, which is very large in proportion to it?  Why include
Pluto, but not the asteroid Ceres, which is about 1/2 the
diameter of Pluto?  Why include Pluto and Mercury and not include
those moons in the solar system which are larger than those two
planets?  Why no depiction of Saturn's rings?
 Below I list what planets were identified by what names by
the Sumerians.
 It also seems clear from the mythology that Tiamat and Ea
were both associated with the Abyssal waters (the Apsu)  beneath
the mountains and underworld as well as those same waters which
lay above the dome of the sky.  Ea was designated one band of
space in the sky by the Babylonians, but it did not include all
of the zodiacal region - which would have fit for a planet - but
only the southern most portion, which a planet might wander
through during one sixth of its orbit.  This makes sense as the
Persian Gulf, a source of an outflow of those Abyssal waters, lay
to the south of Sumer.  The stars in his region would be below
the horizon to the south for most of the time.  Anu held a
similar region to the north of the celestial equator, only
covering 1/6 th of the zodiacal region.  The stars in his region
would be above the horizon longer, which is fitting as he was the
god of the heavens.  Tiamat was split in to two - her celestial
half forming all the heavens, and her eyes and lower half going
to the waters beneath the earth and being used as the source of
rivers and oceans.  I have not seen her associated with a
particular celestial body.

Re: [CTRL] 300,000$ reward, bunk. . .

[TenebrousT]

 -Caveat Lector-

My apologies to Linda Minor, for incorrectly identifying her (as Linda
Miller) in the previous post on this subject.

subject. 
*

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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[CTRL] 300,000$ reward, bunk. . .

[TenebrousT]

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Here is a list of topics from  http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html
You'll see that the issues raised in the Tax Protester FAQ are some of the
same ones addressed in this reward notice.  You must file a return with the
IRS, and the 5th amendment will not save you, since tax court is not a
criminal court.  IF you are tried CRIMINALLY by the IRS then you may use your
5th amendment rights to not incriminate yourself, it is just like a civil
case, where you are compelled to testify.  Additionally the "tax amendment"
was ratified by the appropriate number of states, and it is only a matter of
typographic errors that hold no meaning from a legal perspective that the
claim of inadequate ratification stems.  One MUST pay taxes, except for
specific exemptions which are encoded, such as if you are below minimum
income levels.  AND, lastly but not least, since the courts have rejected all
of these arguments (whether because they were following the law or because
they were kowtowing to the IRS is irrelevant for the purposes of this
discussion), AND further case law is dependent to a large extent on PRIOR
citations it is only reasonable to presume that they will continue to reject
these claims in the future.
Believe me, I am no fan of the IRS and feel it should be abolished
completely, and taxes done away with (in an IDEAL situation anyway, but I'd
settle for a drastic reduction).  I present this information because I don't
want to see people rushing off to do something foolish.  Linda Miller has
provided good information in this area (she is another list moderator).

THE TAX PROTESTER FAQ
Created by Daniel B. Evans
[Last updated: 2/21/99]

Table of Contents
What is the purpose of this FAQ?
A "tax protester" is only someone classified as a "tax protester" by the
Internal Revenue Service in accordance with the IRS definition of "tax
protester."
The federal income tax is unconstitutional because it is a "direct tax" that
must be apportioned among the states in accordance with the census.
The income tax cannot apply to individual citizens, because that would be a
"direct tax" prohibited by the Constitution.
The income tax cannot apply to wages, because that would be a "direct tax"
that must be apportioned in accordance with the Constitution.
The 16th Amendment is ineffective because it does not expressly repeal any
provision of Article I of the Constitution.
The 16th Amendment gave Congress no new power to tax.
The 16th Amendment was not properly ratified.
The 16th Amendment is ineffective because the word "income" is not defined.
The Internal Revenue Code does not define "income."
The Internal Revenue Code cannot define "income" because it is a term used in
the Constitution and Congress cannot modify the Constitution by statute.
Wages cannot be taxed because our labor is our property, and so a tax on
labor would be a tax on property and a "direct tax" within the meaning of the
Constitution.
Wages cannot be taxed because the exercise of a fundamental right cannot be
taxed and the right to work is a fundamental right reserved to the citizens
of the United States by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.
Wages are not "income" because wages represent an equal exchange of labor (a
form of "property") for money (another form of property), so there is no gain
and no income.
Wages are not income, but only a source of income, and therefore not subject
to tax.
Payment in Federal Reserve Notes is not "income" because Federal Reserve
Notes are not lawful money ("coins in gold or silver") within the meaning of
the constitution.
The income tax cannot apply to citizens outside of the District of Columbia,
the territories of the United States, and the forts and military bases of the
United States, because the federal government has no jurisdiction outside of
those "federal areas."
The income tax cannot apply to "sovereign state citizens" because they are
not "citizens" within the meaning of the 14th Amendment.
The income tax does not apply to citizens outside of the District of Columbia
and territories of the United States because the way "United States" is
defined in the Internal Revenue Code does not include the states of the
United States.
The federal income tax amounts to a deprivation of property without due
process and without just compensation, which is contrary to the 5th Amendment
to the constitution.
Withholding of income tax from wages, and the assessment and collection of
income taxes without any court order, is a deprivation of property without
due process contrary to the 5th Amendment to the constitution.
You cannot be required to file an income tax return because a tax return is a
form of testimony and the 5th Amendment guarantees that you cannot be
compelled to testify against yourself.
The IRS cannot require anyone to file an income tax return because that would
be a violation of our 4th Amendment rights.
Nothing in the Internal Revenue Code makes an ordinary citizen liable for the
income tax.
Noth

[CTRL] Ancient Origins Of HIV???

[William Shannon]

 -Caveat Lector-

Source:   University Of Georgia (http://www.uga.edu/)


Date:   Posted 10/15/99

University Of Georgia Study Indicates Possible Ancient Origin For
Retroviruses, The Class To Which HIV Belongs
ATHENS, Ga. -- Viruses are Trojan Horses, reproducing in animals and plants
with sometimes deadly consequences. Since viruses can't reproduce by
themselves, they exploit living host cells and use them to produce viral
nucleic acid and proteins, then reassemble these into new virus particles.
Particularly dangerous are retroviruses, which use an enzyme called reverse
transcriptase to copy themselves into host genomes and replicate. Only
recently did scientists discover that a complex retrovirus they named Human
Immunodeficiency Virus or HIV caused AIDS. A new study by geneticists at the
University of Georgia, however, argues that retroviruses may have been
lurking around in animal genomes for millennia.

"It's like thinking that we discovered the use of tools as humans rather
recently and then finding out that ancient primates used them, also," said
Dr. John McDonald, head of the genetics department. "Scientists had thought
that complex retroviruses evolved recently, but our work indicates a possible
ancient origin."

The study, led by doctoral student Nathan Bowen, is being published this week
in the journal Genome Research.

Retroviruses and related free-moving pieces of genetic material called
retrotransposons are extremely important in the genetic makeup of plants and
animals, despite the fact they were not discovered until about 50 years ago.
For example, half of the maize genome is made up of retroelements, and in
some plants such as wheat and pine trees, 90 percent of the genome may be
constructed around these "movable genes."

Researchers now believe that these "retroelements" are major causes of
genetic mutations and are significant factors in genome evolution. McDonald's
laboratory and several others are using the relatively new science of
genomics to study how these elements have changed plants and animals. By
analyzing the sequences of nucleic acids in certain genomes, they can better
understand which retroelements have been highly conserved through species and
over time.

Which brings us to worms.

McDonald and Bowen had the advantage of studying the near-complete genome for
a tiny unsegmented and transparent worm called Caenorhabditis elegans,
commonly known as the nematode. These worms, which are both free-living and
parasitic, live almost everywhere, though they flourish in rotting vegetation
in many parts of the world.

Hundreds of scientists are studying C. elegans around the globe. Though it is
a somewhat primitive organism, it shares many of the essential
characteristics of human biology. Scientists consider C. elegans to have a
"brain," and it exhibits behavior and is even capable of rudimentary
learning. Its life starts with embryonic cleavage, it grows and develops,
ages and dies. All of these functions are controlled by genes. The worms are
no more than one millimeter long and live only two or three weeks.

And yet they have become enormously important to scientists, especially
geneticists, and two teams are nearing completion of the sequence of all the
genes in C. elegans, showing where each gene is located on a chromosome and
its likely function. McDonald and Bowen were thus able to use the C. elegans
genome sequence to analyze the entire complement of retrotransposons in the
worm's genome.

"We analyzed a class of elements called long terminal repeat
retrotransponsons or LTR retrotransposons," said Bowen, "and we found that
there are no less than 12 distinct families of them in the C. elegans genome.
"These include one novel family that displays many features characteristic of
complex vertebrate retroviruses such as the spumaviruses and the
lentiviruses, to which HIV belongs. This unexpected finding suggests that
infectious vertebrate retroviruses may have a remarkably long ancestry and
may have been components of ancient eukaryotic genomes." (Eukaryotes are
organisms composed of one or more cells that contain well-defined nuclei.)

This biological detective story began with programs that are used to identify
and align the sequences of amino acids so they can be compared. Bowen and
McDonald studied 12 families of LTR transposons in C. elegans named "Cer
elements." Since they knew already that the reverse transcriptase (an enzyme,
remember) domains have the slowest rate of change among all retroelement
proteins, they could look to these areas for clues to the evolutionary
relationships among retroelements.

"We quickly focused on an element we called Cer7, which displays many of the
features of retroviruses," said Bowen. "We found there are many structural
similarities between Cer7 and other retroviral proteins." In fact, Cer7 has
features similar to complex vertebrate retroviruses such as the human T-cell
leukemia/bovine leukemia group and the lentiviruses such as HIV.

So 

[CTRL] Yankee! Go Home!!

[Bard]

"Stop stealing my earnings
 that you use to give to those
 you know will vote for you."
-- Peter L. Sroufe
AKA Bard
+++


Panama's Long Goodbye

As the United States prepares to hand over the canal for good, Panamanians
are wondering whether they really want us to leave. by Mark Falcoff

 http://www.spectator.org/

Bard
We don't need a 3rd Party;  we need a 2nd Party!

 Welcome to The American Spectator Online.url

[CTRL] ..why we test nukes....

[Bard]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://www.spectator.org/

No Nukes America

Can the U.S. afford to become a nuclear-free zone?

by Tom Bethell



Over a period of several decades, the weapons in the U.S. nuclear arsenal
were assembled at the Pantex plant, a few miles northeast of Amarillo,
Texas. The components were fabricated elsewhere -- at Rocky Flats, near
Denver; at Hanford reservation, in Washington state; at the Savannah River
reactor in South Carolina -- but they were finally all put together at
Pantex, 16,000 acres of parched scrub surrounded by steel fences and coils
of razor wire. The plant is dotted with infrared motion detectors and armed
guards in desert camouflage.

Today, the entire U.S. nuclear weapons assembly line is running in reverse.
All the nuclear-weapons production facilities are closed down, and the bombs
themselves, having been retrieved from silos and Air Force bases, are being
brought back to the same Pantex plant at a rate of about 35 or 40 a week.
They are transported across U.S. highways in unmarked, heavily guarded
tractor -trailers; at Pantex they are disassembled, and their plutonium
"pits" stored in bunkers. State officials have expressed concern that Pantex
is fast becoming "an unlicensed plutonium dump." The U.S. is said to be
dismantling its arsenal at a rate of about 2,000 weapons a year.

The planned final size of the arsenal is secret, but some say the total may
be no more than 1,000 weapons. Anti-nuke groups stationed outside the Pantex
gates monitored the trucks as the completed weapons left the plant, and they
continue to monitor them as they return.

In the postwar period, the U.S. produced some 70,000 nuclear weapons, of
about 75 different types. Annual production rates in the early 1960's
reached about 5,000 a year, and a maximum stockpile of over 32,000 warheads
was reached in 1967. Information provided by Boris Yeltsin and Mikhail
Gorbachev implied that the Soviets' arsenal at its peak exceeded 40,000
warheads. France today has about 480 nukes, China about 450, Britain 200,
Israel "probably 100 plus devices," India 60-odd, and Pakistan 15-25,
according to a guide published by the Carnegie Endowment for International
Peace, Tracking Nuclear Proliferation.

It seems undeniable that the quantity of Soviet and U.S. nukes at their peak
defied logic on both sides. Misleading "perceptions," inter-service rivalry,
and the skewed incentives of government agencies contributed to a build-up
that was vastly in excess of whatever could have been used. The elimination
of superfluous arsenals by definition does not jeopardize security, and
there is much to be said for the current "build down." But it also has its
disquieting aspects. Above all, it will be difficult to reverse the present
course. In an emergency it could be done, but by then it would be too late,
in view of the time required to build or re-start the industrial
infrastructure. It is safe to say that the existing atomic-weapons
production facilities will never be re -opened. The enduring superstition
surrounding all things nuclear will see to that: Not in my back yard, or
anyone else's.

As the Cold War was coming to an end, the environmentalists gained a crucial
and little remarked ascendancy over the military in the ordering of
government priorities. It helped that George Bush was president when this
happened, for he was willing to do almost anything to ward off accusation
from environmentalists. Weapons plants were stigmatized as contaminated
sites, "hot spots," sources of hazardous waste. All of the major nuclear
weapons facilities have since then been included on the Environmental
Protection Agency's "Superfund" National Priorities List of the worst
contaminated sites in America. "In preparing to fight a nuclear war with the
former Soviet Union," according to the Center for Defense Information's
Defense Monitor, "America succeeded in 'nuking' itself." It is an irony,
surely, that the plants that arguably yielded a 50-year stretch of domestic
peace rarely enjoyed by any nation should in the end have been so condemned.

The symbolic moment came in June, 1989, when Rocky Flats was raided by FBI
agents. The nation's only source of purified plutonium for nuclear weapons,
Rocky Flats manufactured the softball-sized plutonium cores at the heart of
the weapon. The raid came as a surprise to the Department of Energy, which
has responsibility for the production and maintenance of nuclear weapons.
Until the mid 1980's the department successfully argued that the practices
of weapons -plant contractors were exempt from federal environmental laws.
But by 1992 it had in effect become a loyal subsidiary of the Environmental
Protection Agency. In that year, Rockwell International, the Rocky Flats
contractor, pleaded guilty to charges that it had violated hazardous waste
and clean-water laws. The company was fined $18.5 million. Today, according
to the General Accounting Office, nuclear weapons facilities all across the
country are 

[CTRL] Thank you for purchasing a McDonnell Douglas military aircraft.

[Bard]

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"The more taboos and inhibitions there are in the world,
The poorer the people become...
The more articulate the laws and ordinances,
The more robbers and thieves arise."
-- Lao Tzu, Tao Teh Ching

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[CTRL] Nutty Leftism: "Tear Up The Constitution!"

[Bard]

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Are you... beginning to think violent rebellion might be the ultimate,
dreaded answer?
Stop!
Wait!
There are a lot more things you can do!
--from 'Don't Shoot the Bastards [Bitches] (Yet)' by Claire Wolfe
http://www.curleywolfe.net/cw/Lodge.html

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October 1, 1999
Chronicles of
Nutty Leftism:
"Tear Up The Constitution!"

"The US Constitution's great gift to the cause of international democracy is
contained in its first three words. The rest of it can go Checks and
balances, separation of powers, and the rest would have to defend themselves
in the court of democratic opinion, something they have never had to do
since ratification. All would be considered guilty until proven innocent."
Thus Daniel Lazare, a well-known leftist writer.

You can find the latest edition of Lazare's suggested itinerary towards a
socialist America in the October Harper's, under the title "Your
Constitution Is Killing You -- A Reconsideration of the Right to Bear Arms,"
where he invites us to face what he regards as the obvious connection
between 240 million guns and "the increase of violence in our culture."
Lazare regards anyone who does not connect these two "facts" as a person
"determined to avoid" something utterly true. This supposed increase in
violence is established by evocation of the killings at Columbine High, and
a kindred episode in Conyers, Georgia shortly thereafter, with "crazed day
traders and resentful adolescents mowing down large numbers of their fellow
citizens every few weeks."

If we are to believe Lazare these killers come to us courtesy of a "messy
and unruly...pre-modern pre-modern" constitution that obstructs the "neat
and orderly" society desired by all good liberals. Because of the
regrettable reverence in which this same constitution is held, "we" are
forced to stand "helplessly by while ordinary people are gunned down by a
succession of heavily armed maniacs". CounterPunch is not sure who the "we"
is here. The time we most vividly remember as an occasion for standing
helplessly by while ordinary people were gunned down by heavily armed
maniacs was when we all watched the Branch Davidians burn. And later we had
to watch the federal building in Oklahoma City crumbling into rubble in
revenge. Should we ban fertilizer and rent-a-trucks?

As we shall see, Lazare has an agenda which he does not disclose to the
genteel readers of Harpers, but let us stay for a moment with his premise
that random acts of bloodstained violence derive from the right to bear
arms, protected by the Second Amendment. After all, it wasn't until the late
l960s that the state -- perturbed by civic commotion and the specter of
black power -- began its first effort in many decades to impose any
conditions on gun ownership. Why wasn't the Second Amendment creating
Columbines in the l950s, when kids would take guns to school because they
were going to ROTC class later in the day? One could more convincingly
connect the 240 million guns and the culture of violence to the vast
military adventures of the past 60 years, to the training and deployment of
lethal force by the state, guarding its interests abroad and at home.

But in fact we're not sure whether Lazare is truly interested in gun
control, as anything other than a fulcrum for heaving the whole constitution
into the trashcan. He takes good care in his Harper's essay to emphasize
that liberal revisionist attempts to exclude an individual's right to bear
arms from the Second Amendment are no longer sustainable and that the tide
of modern constitutional scholarship has flowed strongly toward the views of
the gun owners. To get rid of the Second Amendment, he says, you have to
attack the constitution full bore. To understand Lazare's strategy we have
to go back to another essay, published in New Left Review, where we find the
excited phrases quoted in our first paragraph.

Lazare's theme here is that we are presently enduring "a growing crisis of
American democracy", a phrase which reminded us of a kindred "crisis of
democracy" detected a generation ago by scholars in the pay of Nelson
Rockefeller. Indeed, Lazare cites one of these same scholars, Sam
Huntington, as the authority for the notion that it was the Puritans who
transported across the Atlantic these pre-modern, messy checks, balances and
separation of powers that obstruct the untrammeled exercise of popular
sovereignty. Lazare should have remembered that Huntington was one of the
intellectuals who dreamed up the strategic hamlets strategy in the Vietnam
war, and that it takes just that sort of mindset to think that the
constitution was shipped over in a container from eighteenth century
England.

"Separation of powers" and "checks and balances" described something very
different than the baggage brought along by Puritans intent on establishing

[CTRL] Children in the Banana Trees

[Bard]

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Images of Work in the Philippines
26 photographs by David Bacon
http://www.counterpunch.org/baconpix.html

Children in the Banana Trees is a photodocumentary which looks at workers
and working-class life in the Philippines. The images were taken over a
period of six years, including a period covering a strike of banana workers
for the San Francisco Chronicle. Part of this series documents this strike
and the exploitation of children working on banana plantations. This series
is part of a larger photodocumentary project -- looking at the global
economy through the eyes of people who experience its effects on the ground.
It documents immigration to the US from the Philippines, Mexico and
countries of the Pacific Rim -- both the lives of immigrants here in the US
and life in their countries of origin.

These images of working class life in the Philippines get underneath the
stereotypes of tourism, tropical beaches and palm trees, to document the
often-gritty reality of Philippine working-class life. Even banana trees
themselves, part of the tropical mystique, are emblematic, not of a tourist
paradise, but of child labor. By extension, the images tell a piece of the
story of working-class Filipinos, and their response to the problems they
face. Many people immigrate to the US from the islands, often from very
exploitative conditions. But life is complex -- as these images make
evident, people identify strongly with their work. They find solutions to
exploitation other than emigration, including the strikes on Mindanao banana
plantations or the cooperatives formed by rubber workers.

Whether fishermen, jeepney drivers or dockworkers, people don't reject their
work, despite poverty or bad conditions. In fact, workers in the Philippines
often fight to make their lives better and struggle for the dignity of the
work they do, as do workers everywhere

Bard

We don't need a 3rd Party;  we need a 2nd Party!

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[CTRL] Waco and the Press

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edited by alexander cockburn and jeffrey st. clair


September 29, 1999

Waco and the Press

The ashes of the murdered Branch Davidians and their children -- all 74 of
them -- were still glowing as the nation's major news institutions rousingly
endorsed the decision of Janet Reno and her boss, Bill Clinton, to give the
FBI (and, as it turned out, the Delta Force) the go-ahead for an operation
that ensured massacre. Newsweek, we particularly remember, rushed out its
cover of Koresh swathed in flames like one of the damned in a medieval
painting. It was one of the great failures of American journalism, one of
the most sickening, one of the most predictable and one of the most
revealing. To this day one can meet progressive types who devote many of
their waking hours to activities designed to save Mumia abu Jamal who didn't
give a toss about the Branch Davidians and their terrible slaughter by the
federal government, and who still don't. Use the word "cult" and both reason
and moral judgement enter recess.



So now comes further proof of the lies, deceptions and cover-ups of the FBI,
and how do the big press poobahs react? Do they make confession that they
bought a cover-up and tried to sell it to the American people, the vast
majority of whom steadfastly continued to believe that the government was
lying and that an infamy had been perpetrated? Here's Ted Koppel, the night
of September l, discussing the seizure by federal marshals of tapes of FBI
hostage "negotiators", discussing the use of pyrotechnic grenades the
morning of the Waco raid:

"... the credibility of the FBI, which probably did tell the truth about
most of what happened, that credibility is badly damaged, while the
credibility of conspiracy theorists, who tend to be wrong about most of what
they've spun together about Waco, their credibility is newly enhanced. It is
on these two fronts that the greatest damage has been done."

In this disgusting paragraph Koppel defines his career role as flack for
state power. For him the issue is not that an agency of government planned
mass murder, just as the so-called conspiracy nuts first surmised, then
proved. For him the issue is the credibility of the state. For the liberal
elite -- in whose ranks most so-called conservatives can be numbered -- this
is always the issue.

In the Koppel program that night was Henry Ruth, a former Watergate
prosecutor who was appointed in the aftermath of Waco to investigate the
federal raid. "The real issue,"Ruth said, "was whether any military force
was actually used in the raid, separate and apart from just military
advisors, and my guess is that such force is so dangerous, so controversial,
that it probably did not happen, but it's certainly worth looking at in this
environment where the whole credibility of the investigation is now at
stake." Note here Ruth's desperate eagerness to let the government off the
hook, and preserve the cover-up (code-named "credibility") intact.

Koppel was scarcely alone. Here's a CBS broadcast of September 2:
"For years now the disaster near Waco has been exhibit number one for many
who have deep distrust of the American government. From conspiracy sites on
the Internet to documentary films, Waco has provided a focus for those who
see the government as the enemy. And now they say there is proof the
government has been lying, reports CBS News Correspondent John Blackstone.
'This is just fodder for the conspiracy theorists,' says psychologist
Margaret Singer. She says this is just what the militia movement needs to
say we told you soMany are certain to see this as government out of
control. 'The anti-government movement, the militia, hate groups are
absolutely going to get a boost out of this and I think it's really a
tragedy for that reason,' said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law
Center. At one time conspiracy theorists may have been viewed as eccentrics
far out on the fringe, but then Timothy McVeigh drove a truck full of
explosives to Oklahoma City and we all discovered just how dangerous it can
be when people stop trusting the government."

As with Koppel, the problem for these CBS broadcasters , and for the shrink,
Singer, and for Potok, from that fraudulent Dees outfit, is not one of
overweening and murderous government, but of potential sedition. Anything
that disturbs popular torpor is tactically inept. Accomplices in the great
and ongoing Cover-up of Everything that Really Matters -- the central
mission of the Fourth Estate, they tremble for Power, whenever Power is
displayed in an undignified or unappetizing light. The film Waco, A New
Revelation, whose disclosures about the pyrotechnic devices CounterPunch
reported many weeks ago, has had the benign effect of discrediting the FBI
and the Department of Justice and its chieftain, but in the end it may
permit the FBI to recoup, by saying that the target of the pyrotechnic
devices was just an outhouse and that these same projectiles neve

[CTRL] Hitler On Pat Buchanan

[Bard]

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Hitler On Pat Buchanan

Though now ll0 years old, and in poor physical shape, Adolf Hitler felt
strong enough for a brief chat on the phone from his nursing home in
Asuncion about the row over Pat Buchanan's new book.

Do you agree that America's entry into the First World War in l9l7 prevented
a compromise peace between Germany and its European antagonists, Britain and
France, and ensured Germany's utter defeat, national humiliation, thus
setting the stage for your own rise to power?

Hitler: Nein. It was the sabotage from within Germany that rendered vain all
the sacrifices and deprivations, the hunger and thirst of endless months,
the death of two millions who died thereby...

To put it another way...

...Would not the graves of all the hundreds of thousands open up, would they
not open and send the silent heroes, covered with mud and blood, home as
spirits of revenge, to the country that had so mockingly cheated them?

But, Herr Hitler...

Was it for this that boys of seventeen sank into Flanders Fields? Was that
the meaning of the sacrifice which the German mother brought to the
fatherland, when with an aching heart she let her most beloved boys go away,
never to see them again? Was it all for this that now a handful of miserable
criminals was allowed to lay hands on the fatherland? Germany fell through
the fantastic conception of a Niebelungen league with the Habsburg State
cadaver.

But the Versailles Treaty

Allow me to complete my thought. Germany was stabbed in the back, but of
course the Treaty was of boundless use to us, a means of whippping up
national passions to the boiling point, until in the heads of sixty million
men and women the same hate became a single fiery sea of flames, out of
whose glow a steely will arose, and the cry forced itself, WE WANT ARMS ONCE
MORE!

Mr Buchanan argues that Amderican intervention prevented a truce for Germany
in the west with Britain and France that would have allowed Germany to turn
east and crush the Bolsheviks.

Buchanan forgets that the ultimate goal of French diplomacy always stands in
opposition to the final tendency of British statecraft. There was no
necessary English interest in crushing Germany. The German people's
irreconcilable and mortal enemy is and remains France. It does not matter
who ruled or will rule in France, whether Bourbons or Jacobins, Bonapartists
or bourgeois democrats, clerical republicans or red Bolsheviks, the final
goal of her foreign-policy activity was always an effort to hold the Rhine
frontier and to guarantee this stream by means of a disintegrated and
dismembered Germany.

Some of Buchanan's critics...

... France both before, during and after the war remained the most terrible
enemy. This people, which was constantly becoming more negro-ified, by its
tie with the aims of Jewish world dominion constituted a grim danger for the
existence of the European white race. For infection in the heart of Europe
through negro blood on the Rhine corresponded equally to the sadistic
perverse vengefulness of this chauvinistic, hereditary enemy of our people,
and to the ice-cold plan of the Jews thus to begin bastardizing the European
continent at its core and, through infection by inferior humanity, to
deprive the white race of the foundations for a sovereign existence.

Mr Hitler, we have only a few minutes left...

Don't interrupt all the time, godamnit. Now you've made me lose my train of
thought. What was I saying?

You were talking about France, Herr Hitler.

Ach, Ja! What France, spurred by its own vengefulness, methodically led by
the Jew, was doing in Europe was a sin against the existence of white
humanity. Incidentally, we in the National Socialists learned much on these
matters from your own great American thinkers, Madison Grant, Dr Stoddard,
Charles Davenport. As for attacking Russia, well of course in Russian
bolshevism we saw Jewry's twentieth-century effort to take world dominion
unto itself. To paraphrase Grant, whose Passing of the Great Race I still
have here on my night table, the impotence of nations, their own death of
old age, comes from the abandonment of their purity of blood. And the Jew
guards this better than any other people of the earth. Thereby he continues
to move further on his fatal course, until another force opposes him and, in
a mighty struggle, once more pitches the stormer of the heavens back at
Lucifer...

Mr Hitler, we're running out of time.

OK. I'm almost though, and anyway the nurse here is telling me not to
getting over-excited. But just to finish the thought, for centuries Russia
drew nourishment from a Germanic nucleus to its superior strata of thinkers.
The Jews obliterated this. Jewry itself is not an organizing element, but 

Re: [CTRL] Senators agree on probe plan in Waco siege (fwd)

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 10/15/1999 11:08:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
 >"I think it's safe to say Senator Specter is not really happy
 >with this," Mr. Hatch said. But he added that the subcommittee
 >has a better chance of success than a task force that Democrats
 >refused to join.
 >
 >"It couldn't be effective without it being nonpartisan," Mr.
 >Hatch said. >>

I wonder why Hatch thinks the matter is partisan, and that Dems wouldn't
join.  I'm certainly a Democrat, and I would love to see the DOJ pushed to
the wall on this one.  No, I'm not talking about Janet Reno.  Big Stupe
doesn't really mean a thing in this matter.  It was the FBI that managed this
coup, and I don't care which party is in; the FBI is a force onto themselves.
 It's about time, someone made them answerable to the American people.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Flaherty-Fed is Owned Mostly by American Companies

[Gavin Phillips]

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Debunking the Federal Reserve
Conspiracy Theories (and other financial myths)

http://www.cofc.edu/~flaherty/own.html">Myth #5: The Federal Reserve
is owned and controlled by foreigners.

 

Myth #5. The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by foreigners.

Do foreigners own or control the Federal Reserve?  Conspiracy theorists Gary
Kah (1991) and Eustace Mullins (1983) certainly think so, as do many of their
readers.  Kah and Mullins each authored books alleging that the U.S. central
bank – the Federal Reserve – is under the direction of an international
banking community and that this financial elite, primarily British, uses its
control to manipulate the U.S. economy and its financial markets for their
personal gain.  This is a very serious charge.  The Federal Reserve sets the
government’s monetary and interest rate policies.  Any change in them has
significant repercussions for just about everyone.  An increase in interest
rates that benefits savers could also price a new home just out of a family’s
reach or make a manufacturing firm’s modernization plan too expensive to
undertake.  The Fed is supposed to choose a policy that benefits the whole of
the U.S. economy, not an overseas banking cabal.  The  ultimate aim of this
international banking elite, the conspiracy theory declares, is to establish
a one-world government – the infamous New World Order.  The Fed’s alleged
role in this is simple according to Kah: At the appointed time, the New World
Order schemers will instruct the Fed to sabotage the U.S. economy, causing
financial and social chaos that will make it much easier for them to gain
real political and military control over the United States.  In the meantime
they simply reap the Fed’s huge annual profits and manipulate the financial
markets for further gain.
Kah specifically claims that foreigners directly own the New York Federal
Reserve Bank, the largest and most important of the twelve regional Federal
Reserve Banks.  Through the N.Y. Federal Reserve the international
conspirators control the entire Federal Reserve System and gain its profits.
In his book En Route to Global Occupation Kah also plays up the Fed’s alleged
role in the New World Order plot.  Mullins agrees on the importance of the
N.Y. Fed, but claims that while domestic commercial banks own it, in reality
a secret European banking club actually controls its policies from a
distance.
How much of these conspiracy theories, if any, is true?  In this article I
investigate the remarkable claims of Kah and Mullins.  Specifically, I
examine whether foreigners own the New York Federal Reserve Bank either
directly or indirectly, whether the N.Y. Fed controls the whole of the
Federal Reserve System, and whether foreigners receive the System’s large
annual profits.  As it turns out, very little of these conspiracy tales are
true.

Who Owns the New York Federal Reserve Bank?

Each of the twelve Federal Reserve Banks is organized as a corporation in
much the same way as many other firms.  However, Gary Kah in 1991 claimed
foreigners intent on global economic and political domination own a
controlling interest in the shares of the New York Federal Reserve Bank.
“Swiss and Saudi Arabian contacts,” according to Kah (p. 13), identified the
top eight shareholders as

 Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
 Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
 Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
 Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
 Lehman Brothers of New York
 Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
 Chase Manhatten Bank
 Goldman, Sachs of New York.

Kah describes these as the Fed’s “Class A shareholders” (p. 14).  This is
curious because Federal Reserve stock is not classified in this manner.  It
can be either “member stock” or “public stock.”  However, the directors of a
Federal Reserve Bank are separated into Classes A, B, and C depending on how
they are appointed (12 USCA §302).

Fellow conspiracy theorist Eustace Mullins presents a different list in his
1983 book Secrets of the Federal Reserve.  He reports the top eight
stockholders of the New York Fed in 1982 were

 Citibank
 Chase Manhatten Bank
 Morgan Guaranty Trust
 Chemical Bank
 Manufacturers Hanover Trust
 Bankers Trust Company
 National Bank of North America
 Bank of New York.

He notes that together these banks own about 63 percent of the New York Fed’s
outstanding stock.  European banking organizations, most no

[CTRL] Flaherty-Fed Has been Audited Dozens of Times

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.cofc.edu/~flaherty/audit.html">Myth #6: The Federal
Reserve has never been audited. Myth #6:  The Federal Reserve has never
been audited.

An often repeated Federal Reserve conspiracy theory is that the Fed has never
been audited.  "Every year Congress introduces legislation to audit the FED,"
wrote Thomas Schauf, "and every year it is defeated."7  Why?  Conspiracy
theorists such as Schauf, Gary Kah (1991), and Pat Robertson (1994) say the
reason is that the Fed is involved in an international plot to subvert U.S.
sovereignty and create a one-world government.  Naturally, the Fed will not
permit Congress to audit its activities, lest it discover this treasonous
plan and shut it down.
How much truth is there to this claim?  Has the Fed ever been audited by
Congress or anyone else?  The Fed controls U.S. monetary policy and can act
with a great deal of independence from Congress and the executive branch.
Clearly, such awesome power requires some sort of regular public oversight at
the very least to insure that the Fed is doing its job efficiently and
effectively, and to detect any abuses of power or fraud. This essay explores
the claim that the Fed has never been audited and finds that it is completely
false.

A Brief History of Federal Reserve Audits

Since its inception in 1913 the Federal Reserve System has been subjected to
a variety of financial and performance audits by Congress, the executive
branch, and private accounting firms, although responsibility for this task
has shifted from time to time. From 1913 to 1921 the Board of Governors, then
known as the Federal Reserve Board which sets monetary policy and regulates
the activities of the Federal Reserve Banks, was audited annually by the U.S.
Treasury Department.  In 1921 Congress created the Government Accounting
Office (GAO) and assigned it to audit the Board until 1933.  In the Banking
Act of 1933, Congress voted specifically to remove the Board from the GAO's
jurisdiction.  From 1933 to 1952 audit teams from the twelve Federal Reserve
Banks performed the annual examination of the BOG's books.  From 1952 to
1978, the Board, under authorization from Congress, decided to employ
nationally recognize accounting firms to conduct the audits of itself to
insure independent oversight.  This provided an external evaluation of the
adequacy and effectiveness of the examination procedures.1

In 1978 Congress passed the Federal Banking Agency Audit Act (31 USCA 714).
It placed the Federal Reserve System back under the auditing authority of the
GAO.  The Act significantly increased the access of the GAO to the Federal
Reserve Banks, the Board, and the Federal Open Market Committee (the FOMC).
Since then, the GAO has conducted over 100 financial audits and performance
audits of the three Federal Reserve bodies.3

Scope of GAO Audits

Some of the more important GAO performance audits of the Fed have been in the
areas of bank supervision, payment systems activities, and government
securities activities.  In the first area, the GAO examined how well the Fed
was enforcing its regulatory powers over its member banks.  In 1992 it drew
attention to the Fed's sluggish compliance with regulatory reforms mandated
by the Foreign Bank Supervision Act of 1991.  In examining the Fed's payment
system activities, the GAO made the Fed aware of how its pricing policies for
such services as check-clearing affected private suppliers of check-clearing
services, and also suggested ways to speed up the process of check
collections.  Security markets for government debt is a crucial market, and
GAO performance audits of the Fed have lead to more openness in the primary
dealer system, particularly concerning the disclosure of price information.
The GAO is also involved in several ongoing performance audits of the Fed
such as analysis of risks and benefits of interstate banking, regulation of
derivatives, and the budget of the Federal Reserve system.2

Audits By Private Accounting Firms

Financial audits of the Fed are also conducted regularly. Each Reserve Bank
is audited every year by independent General Auditors who report directly to
the Board of Governors.  These examinations involve financial statement
audits and reviews on the effectiveness of financial controls.  Each Reserve
Bank also has its own internal audit mechanisms.  The Board contracts each
year with an outside accounting firm to evaluate the audit program's
effectiveness.  Price Waterhouse conducted an audit of the Board's 1994,
1995, 1996, 1997, and 1998 financial statements and filed this report in the
Board's 1996 Annual Report (nearly identical ones appear in other Annual
Reports):

We have audited the accompanying balance sheets of the Board of Governors of
the Federal Reserve System (the Board) as of December  31, 1995 and 1994, and
the related statements of revenues and  expenses for the years then ended.
These financial statements are  the responsibility of the Board's management.

[CTRL] Flaherty-Fed Interest is Payed Back

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.cofc.edu/~flaherty/interest.html">Myth #7: The Federal
Reserve charges interest on the currency we use. Myth #7: The Federal
Reserve charges interest on the currency we use.

In my experience this particular myth has alarmed more people than any other.
 The Federal Reserve is a bank, no?  Banks do not lend money for free, right?
 Our currency comes into circulation only when the government borrows
currency from the Fed -- at interest -- and then spends it into the economy,
right?.  This means we, as citizens, pay interest on the very currency that
we use.  Conspiracy theorists believe this is part of the alleged "New World
Order" plot to bankrupt the United States.
What is the truth here?  Does the government really pay interest on our paper
money, Federal Reserve Notes?  Thomas Schauf of FED-UP, Inc. circulates an
information letter in which he writes:

"Why pay interest on our currency?  A typical incorrect answer is - the FED
profits are returned to the U.S. Treasury.  The truth is, the FED is a
private bank in business for profit.  We pay roughly $300 billion in interest
on our artificial debt and by special agreement, the U.S. Treasury receives
$20 billion in return.  Taxpayers lose $280 billion to the FED banking system
per year ... Your local library has these dollar figures.  The numbers don't
lie."5
Schauf also argues that the Federal Reserve system is part of the
international banking conspiracy, and that President Kennedy might have been
assassinated because he allegedly attempted to curb the power of the Federal
Reserve (See Myth #9).  The currency interest issue is also raised by other
conspiracy theorists.  Television evangelist Pat Robertson in his book The
New World Order and Jacques Jaikaran in Debt Virus make identical claims, as
does the organization Americans for Better Transportation (formerly known as
the Coalition to Reform Money).
How accurate are these claims?   Some of Schauf's statement is correct.  The
Treasury Department prints Federal Reserve Notes and then sells it to the
Federal Reserve system for an average cost of about 4 cents per bill (see
FedPoint #1).  However, the Fed must present as collateral for the currency
an amount of Treasury securities that is equivalent in value to the currency
purchased.  The Federal Reserve collects interest on all the Treasury
securities it owns, including the ones held as collateral.  This is as far
into the realm of fact as Schauf's statement can take his reader.

What Schauf does not tell his reader is that nearly all the Federal Reserve's
net earnings are repaid to the Treasury.  This is done per an agreement
between the Board of Governors and the Treasury.  Schauf says this 'typical'
answer is incorrect.  Shown below is the abbreviated income statements for
the Federal Reserve system for 1994-97.

Summary of Recent Federal Reserve Earnings
(figures in billions)


Income, Expenses, & Profits:1994199519961997

 Interest on Treasuries $19.2   23.823.925.7
 Other income 2.31.6 1.2 1.2

 Total income21.5   25.425.126.9
 Net expenses 1.81.9 1.9 2.0

 Profit  19.7   23.623.224.9

 Payments & transfers to Treasury20.5   23.420.120.6

Source: Annual Report, 1997, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.
For the four years combined the Federal Reserve collected $92.6 billion in
interest on its portfolio of Treasury securities and other government bonds.
The Fed also rebated $84.6 billion to the Treasury, which amounted to about
92.5% of its profits.  From 1980-97 the Fed has collected about $329 billion
in interest from the Treasury.  It has also rebated about $327 billion during
that period.  It seems pretty clear that Federal Reserve profits really are
returned to the Treasury.  What this means is that Federal Reserve Notes do
not cost the Treasury any net interest.
Schauf and the Coalition believe that  the Treasury ought to issue its own
currency in the form of United States Notes, a form of currency issued on a
few occasions in the past (there are still some in circulation, although the
total amount is limited by law).  A 1953 series A note is shown below.



Current paper money has the inscription "Federal Reserve Note" across the
top, whereas the bill above has "United States Note."

Schauf and the Coalition argue this would be an "interest-free" form of
currency.  However, there is no functional difference between U.S. Notes and
the Federal Reserve notes we now use.  Neither impose a net interest burden
on the Treasury.  The key difference between the two currencies is who
controls the issuance.  The publicly-appointed Board of Governors now
controls the emissions of Federal ReserveNotes and can make monetary policy
decisions largely independent of p

[CTRL] Dr. Edward Flaherty-Fed Reserve Act Was Passed Legally

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

Maybe Antony Sutton might have a few insights into Flaherty's supposed
debunking of any major criticisms regarding the Fed. Gavin.



 http://www.cofc.edu/~flaherty/fra.html">Myth #2: The Federal
Reserve Act never actually passed Congress... Myth #2: The Federal
Reserve Act never actually passed Congress.  The Senate voted on the bill
without a quorum, so the Act is null and void.

The silliest of the Federal Reserve conspiracy theories is that the Federal
Reserve Act of December 23, 1913 passed illegally.  The constitution
stipulates that both the House and the Senate must have at least half their
members present, a quorum, to vote on any bill.  According to this myth, the
Senate voted on the Federal Reserve Act (known as the Currency Bill at the
time) deviously in a late night session when most of its members had gone
home or had left town for the holiday.  This was done to impose the will of a
pro-banker minority on the objecting majority.  Since no quorum was present,
the Federal Reserve Act is not valid.
This idea is better described as folklore than a full-blown conspiracy theory
because I've never been able to find it in print, only on occasion on Usenet
or in e-mail from readers.  Gary Kah, author of En Route to Global
Occupation, came close when he wrote that the bill's supporters waited until
its opponents were out of town and it was passed under "suspicious
circumstances" (Kah, p. 13-14).

Nevertheless, the myth has no basis in fact.  The House passed the bill
298-60 on the evening of Dec. 22, 1913.3  The Senate began debate the
following day at 10am, and passed it 43-25 at 2:30pm.4

What of the missing Senators?  Since there were 48 states in 1913, forty
eight votes plus the tie-breaking vote of vice-President Thomas Marshall
would have been sufficient to approve the bill even if all absent votes had
been cast against the bill.  However, many of the missing Senators had their
positions recorded in the Congressional Record.1  Of the 27 votes not cast,
there were 11 'yeas' (in favor of the bill) and 12 'nays.'1  Even if the
absentee Senators had been there, the Currency Bill would have passed easily.

President Wilson signed the Currency Bill into law in an "enthusiastic"
public ceremony on Dec. 23, 1913.4

References:

1. Congressional Record, 63rd Congress, 2nd Session, Dec. 23, 1913, pp.
1487-1488.

2. Kah, Gary (1991), En Route to Global Occupation, Layfayette, La.:
Huntington Press.

3. "Money bill goes to Wilson today," New York Times, pp. 1-3, Dec. 23, 1913.

4. "Wilson signs currency bill," New York Times, pp. 1-2, Dec. 24, 1913.

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Re: [CTRL] (2) Whitley Strieber, "Mind Control" and the CIA

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.amcity.com/sanantonio/stories/1999/03/29/story3.html

March 29, 1999
Psychological Corp. eying office project, sources say
Megan Kamerick
The Psychological Corp. is scouting around the city's North Side looking for
a site to build a large corporate campus, according to local real estate
officials.

The company, a division of Harcourt Brace & Co. based in Orlando, Fla.,
wants to develop a building with between 500,000 and 700,000 square feet of
space to consolidate its San Antonio operations, say sources familiar with
the company's plans. They add that those plans might also involve relocating
other Harcourt Brace operations to San Antonio.

The Psychological Corp. currently operates out of about 400,000 square feet
of space in San Antonio, says Dave Samuels, spokesman for Harcourt Brace.
This includes a facility at 555 Academic Court that the company owns,
Samuels says, as well as a storage facility at 6818 S. Zarzamora and office
space in Colonnade I at 9901 I-10 West.

Charles Martin Wender, who manages and leases the Zarzamora space, says
Psychological Corp. has an option to purchase the Zarzamora location.

"They have until Nov. 30 to make a decision," Wender says. "They have an
option to buy."

Wender says he has not heard anything about the company's plans for possible
consolidation into one location.

Samuels confirms that Psychological Corp. has been looking around for other
space.

"But we've been looking around for space for four years," he says. "This is
not a project that's new. This has been an ongoing project."

Local real estate brokers and developers say the company is zeroing in on a
location about a mile north of Loop 1604 on the east side of Bulverde Road
that is owned by the estate of one of the Steubing family members. Local
sources say broker Eldon Roalson with Roalson Interests is working with
Psychological Corp. on site selection.

Eldon Roalson declined to comment. Samuels also declined to comment on
specific plans or locations with respect to the company's search for space.

"We don't have anything rock solid put to bed," Samuels says. "We're
contemplating if we can make things work in something bigger than 400,000
square feet. We've been looking at it for four years and trying to make a
decision."

He would not comment on whether Harcourt Brace may consolidate operations
from other markets in San Antonio. People familiar with the company's plans
say Psychological Corp. is looking at developing one large building that
would be up to 700,000 square feet in size in a campus-type environment.

Mario Hernandez, executive director of the San Antonio Economic Development
Foundation (EDF), says his organization is not working with Psychological
Corp. to find space because the company is already established in San
Antonio, but he hopes they will stay here. The EDF helped bring the company
here in the mid-1980s.

"They're landlocked," he says of Psychological Corp.'s current location at
Academic Court. "They have over 200,000 square feet where they're at, but
it's not enough space to continue to grow, and they're such a valuable
entity to the business community. They design and grade the intelligence
measuring devices there, so it's very unique and provides a lot of
opportunities for teachers to have jobs in the summer."

The Psychological Corp. publishes and distributes tests and related products
for professionals in psychology, health, business, general education,
bilingual education and special education. The company has about 700
employees here, Hernandez estimates.

The Psychological Corp. was founded in 1921 for the purposes of developing
psychological tests and materials for psychologists and to publish
individualized psychological assessments. It was purchased in 1974 by
Harcourt Brace & Co., the nation's largest publisher of books and materials
for education, medicine and in academic/research areas. Harcourt Brace is a
subsidiary of Harcourt General Inc., based in Newton, Mass.

Harcourt General has two core businesses: educational publishing through
Harcourt Brace, and upscale retailing through The Neiman Marcus Group. The
company also owns Drake Beam Morin, an outplacement services firm, according
to Hoover's, an online research service.

"The company is hoping to accomplish the twin goals of solidifying its
existing businesses and breaking out into new markets," according to
Hoover's.

In 1998, Harcourt General acquired medical publisher Mosby and information
technology training service provider Gartner Learning. It also created a
health sciences division. In 1997, Harcourt bought National Education Corp.
for $854 million, Hoover's states.

Once known as Harcourt Brace Jovanovich (HBJ), the company is perhaps best
known here through its previous ownership of Sea World. HBJ sold Sea World
in 1989.


http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1037989/950123-97-004952.txt
CHESTNUT HILL, MA, June 11, 1997 -- Harcourt General, Inc. (NY

Re: [CTRL] Enoch and the "Nefilim"

[Eagle 1]

 -Caveat Lector-

continuing thoughts...

Consider this,  which the author of this article below is not considering...
Perhaps these monolithic buildings, statues, and so called "myths",
pre-existed the common era called the "Ice Age"...  ???
Could there have been a catastrophic event related to that civilization,
which brought on this 'Ice Age',  with remnants now embedded in stone in
various places of the earth...  ??? Perhaps the "Ice Age" or a time just
prior to or following it,  was actually that time noted in Genesis 1:2...
when the earth became "void and without form" (hebrew states: "became a
waste and a desolation"; also noted in the Bible as the 'katabole'; a time
when the rule of the mighty men of old, came to an end because of one who
extorted himself to power... i.e. one mentioned in Isaiah 14:12).
... and then,  consider that there was most likely an "aeon" of civilization
that existed at that time prior to the "Ice Age",  which would constitute
another "world age"...  which would also explain why we find remains of so
called "human" predessessors that are anywhere from 14,000 to 25,000+ years
old,  according to the current carbon dating system.

This sort of throws the old Bishop's theory that the earth is only 6,000
years old out the window,  doesn't it?   It,  however,  at the same time,
does not reinforce evolution;  nor does it validate reincarnation.  It
merely shows scientific possibilities,  theories if you will, as most
probable,  that man or intelligent beings did exist on the face of the earth
over 25,000+ years ago, that is the only scientific fact that can be
concluded.

Here are a couple of links that will whet your whistle,  if you are
interested in such information as was discussed in this article by Andrew
Collins.

http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/mainpage.htm
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kmeyers/archaeol/bib_arch.html
and for books on various related subjects:
http://www.artisanpublishers.com/

There is also a webpage out there,  but the link escapes me at this time,
regarding a find in Hatch, NM,  that is believed to be the footprint /
imprint,  in stone,  of one of these ''giants'' of the past,  dated at over
25,000 years old.

eagle 1

- Original Message -
>>>

   from:  http://www.peg.apc.org/~newdawn/42b1.htm

   The Forbidden Legacy of
   a Fallen Race -- Part 1
  by Andrew Collins

 Extracted from New Dawn No.40 (January-February, 1997)

- Original Message -
From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Enoch and the "Nefilim"


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> This is documented in the Bible...  regarding the nephilium,
> or mighty giants.  Example, as pointed out in the article, Genesis 6: 2 &
4.
> It's been no mystery or hidden secret from the beginning.  This
information
> was originally common knowledge until certain religious sects,  over time,
> came in and have squashed the information,  especially in the last 150
> years,
> because...  "... some of this information wasn't nice"...
>
> Interesting that you should bring this subject in.
>
> The word is ''nephilium'' (a plural),  is a hebrew derivatitve of
''naphal''
> meaning:  'to fall;  the fallen one(s)' ...  which you can also find
> the same word in Isaiah 14:12...  "O Lucifer,  how art thou fallen..."
> ("fallen" here is the same word).
>
> eagle 1
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 5:34 AM
> Subject: [CTRL] Enoch and the "Nefilim"
>

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Re: [CTRL] Enoch and the "Nefilim"

[Eagle 1]

continuing thoughts...
 
Consider this,  which the author of this article 
below is not considering...
Perhaps these monolithic buildings, statues, and so 
called "myths",  pre-existed the common era called the "Ice Age"...  
???
Could there have been a catastrophic event related to 
that civilization,  which brought on this 'Ice Age',  with remnants 
now embedded in stone in various places of the earth...  ??? Perhaps it was actually that time noted in Genesis 1:2...  
when the earth became "void and without form" (hebrew states: "became a waste 
and a desolation"; also noted in the Bible as the 'katabole'; a time when the 
rule of the mighty men of old, came to an end because of one who extorted 
himself to power... i.e. one mentioned in Isaiah 14:12). 
... and then,  consider that there was most likely 
an "aeon" of civilization that existed at that time prior to the "Ice 
Age",  which would constitute another "world age"...  which would also 
explain why we find remains of so called "human" predessessors that are 
anywhere from 14,000 to 25,000+ years old,  according to the current carbon 
dating system. 
 
This sort of throws the old Bishop's theory that the 
earth is only 6,000 years old out the window,  doesn't it?   It,  
however,  at the same time,  does not reinforce evolution;  nor 
does it validate reincarnation.  It merely shows scientific 
possibilities,  theories if you will, as most probable,  that man or 
intelligent beings did exist on the face of the earth over 25,000+ years ago, 
that is the only scientific fact that can be concluded. 
 
Here are a couple of links that will whet your 
whistle,  if you are interested in such information as was discussed in 
this article by Andrew Collins.
 
http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/mainpage.htm
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kmeyers/archaeol/bib_arch.html
and for books on various related subjects: 

http://www.artisanpublishers.com/
 
There is also a webpage out there,  but the link 
escapes me at this time,  regarding a find in Hatch, NM,  that is 
believed to be the footprint / imprint,  in stone,  of one of these ''giants'' 
of the past,  dated at over 25,000 years old.  
 
eagle 1
 

  - Original Message - 
  >>>
   
     from:  http://www.peg.apc.org/~newdawn/42b1.htm   
  The Forbidden Legacy 
  of   
  a Fallen Race -- Part 
  1  
  by Andrew Collins Extracted from New Dawn 
  No.40 (January-February, 1997)

Re: [CTRL] Whitley Strieber, "Mind Control" and the CIA

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

Das Goat wrote:

>>"In my childhood," he [Whitley Streiber] said quietly," I ws tested at a
university in San Antonio, in about 1954-55, for a long time, with a lot of
tests - this was the same time I was having my encounters as a child.
Intelligence tests, I guess they were; I don't remember them very clearly.
My brother was subjected when he was the same age to the same tests at the
same place by the same doctor.  We were never told what these tests were
about.  We were never told by our parents why it was done."<<


To my knowledge the only universities in San Antonio in the 1950's were
Trinity College and St. Mary's University, neither of which is connected to
a medical school.  It's interesting that Streiber referred to the man doing
the test as a "doctor."  It leads me to wonder whether the testing may have
been done at a military facility.  That is one thing San Antonio has an
abundance of.  Lackland Air Force Base,  Kelly Air Force Base, Fort Sam
Houston, and Randolph Air Force Base are all located in San Antonio, in
addition to Brooke Army Medical Center (BAMC), which houses the headquarters
of the Army Medical Command, Dental Command and Veterinary Command.
See http://www.amcity.com/sanantonio/stories/1999/08/09/story4.html

-

from:
http://www.amcity.com/sanantonio/stories/1997/04/21/story4.html

Week of
April 21, 1997

Military hospitals pursue integration plan
Medical education will be consolidated by '98
Missy Turner
The graduate medical education (GME) programs at San Antonio's two military
hospitals are set to be consolidated into one program by next year.

In addition, the military programs are in the process of developing closer
ties with the GME programs at the University of Texas Health Science Center
(UTHSC).

The integration of GME programs operated at Wilford Hall U.S. Air Force
Medical Center and Brooke Army Medical Center (BAMC) is set for completion
by 1998, according to military officials.

The integration plan represents a coming together of what were previously
two separately run GME programs. In 1995, the Department of Defense (DOD)
mandated that San Antonio's military medical centers merge their GME
programs as part of a plan to streamline services and reduce duplication.
That plan is now in its final stages here, according to Col. C. Kenneth
McAllister, dean of military professional education at BAMC. McAllister is
charged with coordinating the consolidation effort.

The integration plan at San Antonio's military medical centers encompasses
20 graduate programs, which will be combined at either Wilford Hall or BAMC.
To date, 12 programs have been consolidated. By 1998, the project will be
completed, according to McAllister.

Together, the GME programs involve some 650 residents and fellows, he says.

The integration is an effort by the DOD to avoid duplication or "redundancy"
of GME programs, McAllister says. He also says the integration will create
stronger GME programs. Residents and fellows will have opportunities to
study under more physicians, he says.

"There is twice as much variety for fellows," McAllister says. "While there
are more people to train, there are more people to train them."

McAllister also adds that integration can save money, while also improving
efficiency -- by eliminating duplication of services.

In order to strengthen the consolidation effort under way between the two
military medical centers, officials have formed the San Antonio Uniformed
Services Health Education Consortium.

The consortium is unrelated to the San Antonio Trauma Consortium Agreement.
In December, the trauma consortium agreement was signed by officials with
BAMC, Wilford Hall and the University of Texas Health Science Center. It
establishes a framework for the sharing of trauma training and research
resources, as well as personnel and expertise related to trauma and
emergency medicine.

"The (Uniformed Services) consortium formalizes what is already happening.
It's a way of showing support for the integration of medicine," McAllister
says.

Closer ties
One of the consortium's goals also is to develop stronger ties with the
University of Texas Health Science Center once the military integration plan
is completed. There is already an "unofficial" link between the military and
UTHSC for graduate medical education. But officials representing the
military and UTHSC say they hope to forge even closer ties in the future.

McAllister says that UTHSC has research opportunities that the military
cannot offer its residents and fellows. The military's GME program for
infectious disease is already run in cooperation with UTHSC, utilizing
UTHSC's research facilities.

"This is a positive relationship between the Department of Defense hospitals
in the city and the university. You don't have this in every city,"
McAllister adds.

UTHSC has about 675 residents and fellows in 43 different GME programs,
according to Dr. Marvin Foreland, associate dean for clinical affai

[CTRL] "White House finds funding for security network"

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1099/100699b2.htm
 http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1099/100699b2.htm">White House
finds funding for security network
-
October 6, 1999
DAILY BRIEFING

White House finds funding for security network

By Bara Vaida, National Journal's Technology Daily
The House Appropriations Committee may have eliminated funding for the
Clinton Administration's proposed federal intrusion detection surveillance
system (FIDNet), but the White House found another vehicle for funding
through a $611 million mid-year fiscal 2000 budget amendment.
On Sept. 21, the White House's Office of Management and Budget sent up the
proposed request to Congress, including $39 million for enhancing computer
security and critical infrastructure protection within several agencies. The
president requested $8.4 million for FIDNet to be run by the General Services
Administration.
"The proposal would, through the use of additional staff and enhanced
technology, improve federal agencies' ability to detect computer attacks and
unauthorized instructions, share attack warnings and related information
across agencies and respond to attacks," according to the written proposal.
In July, the White House revealed its plan to create FIDNet, which is aimed
at centralizing computer intrusion detection. It immediately was criticized
by privacy and civil liberties groups and some members of Congress who were
concerned that the system would result in federal surveillance of all
computer networks. In September, House appropriators denied funding
designated for FIDNet in the Commerce, State and Justice appropriations bill
in August.
Administration officials have said that FIDNet would monitor only federal
networks, though an early draft of the plan envisioned that eventually
private networks would also be overseen, said Richard Diamond, spokesman for
House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas.
Jon Jennings, acting assistant attorney general for legislative affairs at
the Justice Department, told Armey in a Sept. 22 letter that the media had
"mischaracterized" the FIDNet proposal, but Armey's concerns have not been
assuaged.
"They have made some steps backward to address the concerns we raised over
the program, but we aren't satisfied quite yet that they are taking privacy
concerns fully… We want them to say in absolute terms that (FIDNet) will not
be used in anyway to cover private networks," Diamond said.
Armey has given the administration a deadline of Oct. 15 to respond fully to
his concerns, Diamond said.
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

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Re: [CTRL] Enoch and the "Nefilim"

[Eagle 1]

 -Caveat Lector-

This is documented in the Bible...  regarding the nephilium,
or mighty giants.  Example, as pointed out in the article, Genesis 6: 2 & 4.
It's been no mystery or hidden secret from the beginning.  This information
was originally common knowledge until certain religious sects,  over time,
came in and have squashed the information,  especially in the last 150
years,
because...  "... some of this information wasn't nice"...

Interesting that you should bring this subject in.

The word is ''nephilium'' (a plural),  is a hebrew derivatitve of ''naphal''
meaning:  'to fall;  the fallen one(s)' ...  which you can also find
the same word in Isaiah 14:12...  "O Lucifer,  how art thou fallen..."
("fallen" here is the same word).

eagle 1

- Original Message -
From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 5:34 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Enoch and the "Nefilim"


>  from:  http://www.peg.apc.org/~newdawn/42b1.htm
>
>The Forbidden Legacy of
>a Fallen Race -- Part 1
>   by Andrew Collins
>
>  Extracted from New Dawn No.40 (January-February, 1997)
>
>  Is civilisation the legacy of a race of human angels known
> as Watchers and Nephilim?

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Re: [CTRL] SOMETHING is going to happen this Friday

[Linda Minor]

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The world is presently in the final phase of disintegration of a global
financial system which was set into motion in the middle of August 1971.
>From that point on, from the decision made by President Nixon in 1971, to
the present time, the U.S. economy has undergone a series of degenerative
phase-shifts in policy-making and in practice.

This degeneration of the U.S. economy also reflects a broader degeneration,
led by the British Commonwealth--the British monarchy--and other nations
which have joined with the so-called Anglo-Americans in imposing upon the
world the so-called floating exchange-rate monetary system over the period
to the present time, since 1971.

That system is presently hopelessly bankrupt. It will not last. It will
disintegrate, or it will be shut down. My alternative, rather than letting
it disintegrate, is to shut it down. That means that someone with authority
must step in, put the old system into bankruptcy reorganization, in the same
way you would put a bank in the local community into bankruptcy
reorganization--more or less the same--and set in a new system to continue
the essential operations, the economic operations performed by the old
system, but under new rules, and under new management.

It is my view, which I've expressed on many occasions, that the only agency
which can accomplish this, is the Presidency of the United States. Not that
the President of the United States can dictate such a system to the world at
large, but rather, without a leading role by the President of the United
States, it is most unlikely, perhaps impossible in practice, that other
nations would be able to get together with the United States to shut the old
system down, put it into bankruptcy, and keep the world economy going,
preferably without missing a step, under new management, new rules, and new
policies.

I've proposed that for some time as a New Bretton Woods system. And let me
explain again, which I've done in various articles and so forth, which some
of you are familiar with. But let me put it again in this context.

We had a workable system from the time that Roosevelt was leading the United
States during World War II, until approximately 1964; until after the
assassination of President John Kennedy. There were many mistakes in the
system, but it worked. The system underwent a degenerative transformation
from 1964 to 1971, when the old Bretton Woods system was cancelled, and the
new Bretton Woods system, the present one, the so-called floating
exchange-rate system, was put into effect on the initiative of President
Nixon.

That former system, the Roosevelt-led system, worked in general. It gave us
a world economic recovery, at least in Western Europe, and in most of the
Americas. It also was beneficial for Japan, and beneficial for other parts
of the world. This system continued in the form it had operated after
Roosevelt's death, until about 1958. Then, the rules began to change. The
mud began to slide.

There was an attempt to go back to the Roosevelt policies under President
Kennedy. Kennedy's assassination was the end of the effort to revive
Roosevelt's economic policies.

We're now in a situation where the old system has failed, and we desperately
need an immediate change to build a new system. In the reality of politics,
to make such changes under emergency conditions, and to make them suddenly,
we must rely, at least to a very large degree, on choosing precedents from
past history, preferably periods of history as close to our own as possible,
and use those precedents as guides to design the policy changes we must put
into effect, to replace the present bankrupt international monetary system
with a new one, which we urgently need to keep the world economy going.

It is my view that throughout the world, only the President of the United
States, in his position as President, under our Constitution, has the
influence, or the potential influence, and the legal position to be the
rallying point for other governments which wish to cooperate in this
enterprise. So that the United States government, under a leadership of its
President, in cooperation with other governments which desire to cooperate,
can set up a new international monetary system, whether the rest of the
world wants it or not.

We will do it that way, with that kind of arrogance, because we are acting
so that we can survive, and so that the majority of the human race can
survive. In other words, we will be acting jointly for the general welfare
of the world, and those who oppose that must give way.

Given the authority and influence, waning as it may be, of the United
States, the President of the United States is the one political figure on
this planet who could, as they say, pull that off.

Now, the principles involved are much older than Roosevelt. But as I said,
we go back to Roosevelt in order to find a precedent for policies which we
must recognize were successful, in direct contrast to the policies un

Re: [CTRL] Whitley Strieber, "Mind Control" and the CIA

[Linda Minor]

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Das Goat wrote:

>>Strieber revealed that in the '60s he was in England attending the London
School of
Economics, filming a documentary on the Process Church of the Final
Destruction (a Scientology offshoot, influential with Charles Manson, and
according to Ed Sanders, a group with intelligence connections)<<

===
Das,
Does your article say when in the 60s he was filming this documentary?  My
information about the Process Church is that it was the group started by Dr.
Stephen Ward, a chiropractor I believe, who lived in a cottage at the Astors
’ Cliveden estate, and who , in 1963, introduced Lord Astor--the son of Lord
and Lady Astor who started the Round Table Group at Cliveden with Lord
Milner-- to John Profumo and Soviet Ambassador Ivanov, both of whom had
assignations with Christine Keeler for whom Ward was acting as pimp.

According to Carroll Quigley, the managing director of the London office of
Lazard Brothers was Lord Brand, a brother-in-law of Lady Astor, who along
with Lords Astor, Milner, Altrincham, and General Smuts made up the "Round
Table Group," later called the "Cliveden Set," which controlled the Rhodes
Trust, the Beit Trust, The Times of London and The Observer.   Quigley
states that this group attempted to weaken the League of Nations and
strengthen Germany.  They established the Council on Foreign Relations in
New York and Chatham House in London.  With the help of Lord Lothian (Philip
Kerr) this group convinced Lloyd George and other "appeasers" that the
Treaty of Versailles was too harsh and should not be enforced.

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Re: [CTRL] NO INDEPENT PRESS IN AMERICA? John Swinton Quote

[Nurev Ind Research]

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> ..
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> Forwarded from the Internet Conspiracy Community:
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> Subject: NO INDEPENT PRESS IN AMERICA?  John Swinton Quote
> Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 10:34 PM
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: undisclosed-recipients:; 
> Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 12:13 PM
> Subject: ATTENTION MEDIA AND NON MAINSTREAM MEDIA - FIREBASE NETWORK
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> ATTENTION MEDIA AND NON MAINSTREAM MEDIA - FIREBASE NETWORK
>
> WHY WE DON'T HAVE A FREE PRESS
> John Swinton (considered 'the dean of his profession' by his peers),
> Chief of Staff, New York Times when asked to give a toast at the New
> York Press Club in 1953 THIS IS WHAT HE SAID:
>
> "There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America,
> as an independent press. You know it and I know it.There is not one
> of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know
> beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for
> keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others
> of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who
> would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets
> looking for another job. If allowed my honest opinions to appear in one
> issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
> The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright,
> to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his
> country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and
> what folly is this toasting an independent press. We are the tools and
> vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping jacks, they pull
> the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are
> all
> the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

While the statement above is essentially true, it is a phony quote.
Swinton was never chief of staff at the times, and he was a reporter
at the turn of the century, or in the early part of this century.

THIS IS AN URBAN LEGEND QUOTE. If you want to be credible, don't use it.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Hegel [repost]

[ASu2431426]

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Mornin Das Goat



Just read your Hegel piece for the first time !

I spent quarter century in Universities in several countries and I do not
recall any idiot professor with your brilliance of exposition...this should
be required reading.

Ive been trying for years to say that right -left is a phony

Can I make a suggestion ?  I know people who think like this and should read
your piece.Im an old codger and dont know how to relay to another E mail
address.



If I sent you an address would you pass it on with a message that I suggested
transmission.   ?

 I thought the State of California was short of teachers.!  you should be in
the classroom   Das Goat

Your supporter

ANTONY SUTTON.

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[CTRL] DSWCC - Desert Storm War Crimes Commission

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[CTRL] OJ Simpsons Florida COCAINE connection!

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the Internet Conspiracy Community:
From: Thee Underground Net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: List Member <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OJ Simpsons Florida COCAINE connection!
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:59 PM

Thee Underground Net - http://www.theeunderground.net

Hi,

It's JP Essene editor of

http://www.theeunderground.com

OJ made a 911 call the other day over his girls COCAINE HABIT!

The story is at

http://www.247news.net

One of OJ's pals was just arrested for trying to buy 15 Kilos of COCAINE!

L8r

JP Essene

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[CTRL] NEXUS MAGAZINE

[Nicky Molloy]

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Thanks a million Das for those great posts on Sitchin etc Nexus has moved
ISP and here is their current one.

Nicky

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/

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 REVERSE-ENGINEERING UFO TECHNOLOGY
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FOOD FOR THE SKIN
by Maurice J. Czarniak
 A VOYAGE INTO AFTERLIFE KNOWLEDGE by Bruce Moen

THE OILING OF AMERICA Part 1, Part 2.
by Mary G. Enig and Sally Fallon
 MIND CONTROL SLAVERY & The NEW WORLD ORDER by Uri Dowbenko

OSTEOPOROSIS: The Bones of Contention
by Sherrill Sellman
 STAR FIRE: The Gold of the Gods
by Sir Laurence Gardner Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

SHAKEN BABIES OR VACCINE DAMAGE?
by Dr Viera Scheibner
 UFOs & EBEs: More Insider Evidence
by Linda Moulton Howe

BLOODLINE OF THE HOLY GRAIL
by Sir Laurence Gardner - Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
 TOXIC SECRETS
Fluoride & The Manhattan Project

THE MIRACLE MAN FROM BRAZIL
Totally amazingly incredible!!!
 THE ORIGINAL MEN-IN-BLACK Pt 1, Pt 2
An oldie but a goodie!

FROM MAD COWS TO HUMANS
The Next Global Plague?
 INDUCED REMISSION THERAPY Pt 1, Pt 2
Dr Chachoua Is Curing AIDS and Cancer!

GULF WAR SYNDROME:
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 ADVENTURES OF A PSYCHIC SPY
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[CTRL] NO INDEPENT PRESS IN AMERICA? John Swinton Quote

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the Internet Conspiracy Community:
From: Book Search Co-ordinator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NO INDEPENT PRESS IN AMERICA?  John Swinton Quote
Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 10:34 PM


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: undisclosed-recipients:; 
Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 12:13 PM
Subject: ATTENTION MEDIA AND NON MAINSTREAM MEDIA - FIREBASE NETWORK


ATTENTION MEDIA AND NON MAINSTREAM MEDIA - FIREBASE NETWORK

WHY WE DON'T HAVE A FREE PRESS
John Swinton (considered 'the dean of his profession' by his peers),
Chief of Staff, New York Times when asked to give a toast at the New
York Press Club in 1953 THIS IS WHAT HE SAID:

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America,
as an independent press. You know it and I know it.There is not one
of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know
beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for
keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others
of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who
would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets
looking for another job. If allowed my honest opinions to appear in one
issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright,
to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his
country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and
what folly is this toasting an independent press. We are the tools and
vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping jacks, they pull
the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are
all
the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

))LET'S HOPE THAT WAS JUST HEARSAY(

PLEASE READ ON .

P  R  E  S  S R  E  L  E  A  S  E !!!
Monday, October 11, 1999


DECLARATION OF INTENT
FIREBASE NETWORK
(Mission Statement)
On August 30, 1999, the White House, Senate, and Congress
received an ADVISORY of imminent pickets, demonstration, and
marches by grassroots veterans organizations and advocates nationwide.
One such group is the FIREBASE NETWORK. To date, our government
has chosen to ignore our intentions and refused to formally reply to our
concerns. Therefore, in an effort to clarify our position and our objectives,
we submit the follow declaration.

FOREWORD
The Pentagon and Department of Defense, (DOD), have admitted there
is a serious shortage of military enlistment. Last year the U.S. Army,
U.S. Navy and U.S. Air Force all fell short of their target numbers of new
enlistments. Some in Congress are already "toying" with the possibility
of reinstating the Draft. In an effort to boost enlistment, and head off the
Draft, the DOD has lowered enlistment standards and offered money
bonuses to entice our young to enlist.

Service in the U.S. military is no longer just a matter of "national
security".
In the past three decades our military has become more and more involved
in dangerous so-called "humanitarian" and "peace keeping" operations
around the world under the flags of the UN  and NATO. To date, none of
these military deployments have met our Founding Father’s definition of
"a threat to our national security". Young Americans have lost their lives
and have been disabled in the line of duty while serving the immediate best
interest of countries other than our own.

During these same three decades, veterans benefits have diminished
dramatically. Both in quality and quantity. Although Congress has self-
approved every Congressional pay raise, (as much as 33% pay raise),
they have refused to adequately fund veterans benefits and services. In
addition, unconstitutional and illegal restrictions imposed by the Department
of Veterans Affairs, (DVA), has rendered the veteran helpless and without
rights to legally confront obvious criminal treatment by the DVA. By denying
the veterans their Constitutional Right to Due Process of Law, Congress and
the DVA have established a system that operates contrary to the basic
principles this country was founded on. Former military personnel are
civilians. Therefore, they should have the same civil rights as any other
citizen. Especially access to our court system and a jury of the peers.

OPINION
It is our qualified opinion, the current recruiting crisis is directly linked
to the past/current unconstitutional and illegal treatment of this country’s
veterans. From Atomic Radiation veterans, to Agent Orange veterans, to
Gulf War Syndrome veterans, the DVA has established a deplorable track
record of not granting disability claims made by medically qualified sick or
disabled veterans.

Although we collectively support a strong military for national security, we
do not support service without guarantee

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]

[Das GOAT]

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In a message dated 99-10-15 12:38:00 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> The most intriguing proposal I've seen is that they were colonists from the
>Indus Valley (Mohenjo-Daro) civilization--there is definite evidence of trade
>contact, and it's not too much of a stretch to visualize an expedition
>traveling along the coast of the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf from India to
>Mesopotamia.

A possibility, yes -- but then the question is, Whence the INDUS culture?
LOL

You might enjoy reading the following:


Subject: Sumer Indus Valley Relations
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 09:21:46 -0600
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Sumer -Indus Valley Civilization relations revealed through Sumerian
language and contemporary literature of both countries

Below are given two tables containing common words in Sumerian and current
Hindi languages as found in Sumerian dictionary Vol. A, Parts  I & II
(Published by University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia , U.S.A.).  Page
no. of Dictionary , Sumerian word, its meaning , Hindi word and its
meaning, are given. Sumer and Indus Valley Civilization were contemporary
civilizations belonging to fourth and third millennium B.C. Study of Indus
Valley Civilization reveals an intimate contact between the two resulting
in borrowing of words from the other language and reference to the other’s
 history and beliefs in contemporary literature. With a view to finding
out words of which particular language were found in Sumerian language in
order  to determine the language of Indus Valley Civilization , the
Sumerian dictionary mentioned above was consulted. It was found that about
70 current words  of Hindi, the predominant language of North India, which
also includes the then area of Indus Valley Civilization, were there in
the above parts of the Dictionary. It may be  noted that some words are
the same, some have a slightly different pronunciation, some words are
varying in meaning. This confirms that the words were adopted by one
language from the other, and as they are still spoken in India it implies
that they were taken from India. In the other volumes of the Dictionary as
and when published we may find on this basis more than 2000 words from
Hindi still spoken in India. Sumerian Language was deciphered from the
bilingual inscription, one of whose script was Armaic,  which was
inexpressive of various sounds and very poor in vowels. Since it was not
able to express many sounds and there were less vowels or indications of
they way a word is to be pronounced, the pronunciations may be actually
those which are still pronounced  in  India. It may also be noted that the
determinative, represented by ‘a’ or ‘ab’ before each word in Sumerian
language was generally not pronounced and the spoken word should be taken
as without the  determinative. It may also be noted that not a word of
either Sanskrit,  Tamil  or other Dravidian languages,  which are hot
favourites for being the spoken language of Indus Valley Civilization, are
found in the Sumerian Dictionary . This points to Hindi being the spoken
language of Indus Valley Civilization.

References in contemporary literature:- Name of Marduk, pronounced
Mardeek, is found in Rigveda- 4.18.12 . Sumerian language mentions a
powerful king of Indu, the ancient as well as present name of India(
Hindu), ‘Lugal-ki-indu-ka’,S.P.Coll. 9A4 and S.P.Coll. 10.5. Study will
reveal more such references.

(This is based on my paper, ‘Language of Indus Valley Civilization
-Was it Hindi’ , published in The  Organiser, New Delhi , dated 20-4-1997.)

SUMERIAN DICTIONARY
Volume A- part I
Common Words in Sumerian and Hindi /Sanskrit languages

S.No/PageNo./Sumerian/Word/Meaning/Hindi/Sanskrit/Word/Meaning/Written in
Hindi
--

1/3/a-du-ga/Sweet Water/Dudh/milk/
2/3/a-kum/Hot water/garm/hot/
3/5/a-tal/Broad Water/tal,talab/tank/
4/6/a-da-ri/lasting water/adri/rain cloud/
5/6/a-he-gal-la/abundant water/hagla, sagla, sajal, jalwa/all, all, with
water well/
6/12/a-dadag/clean water/tadag/tank/
7/20/a-nam-ti-la/water of life/amrit/water of life/
8/50/a-bar-ra/adopted child/tabar/child/
9/52/a-da-ab, a-dab/a musical instrument/dhab/a musical instrument/
10/68/a-ga, igi/rear, back, back room, front/age/front/
11/70/a-ga-am/swamp, marsh reed lagoon/agam/ place where one cannot go/
12/75/a-a-gu-la/great waters, flood, flooding/kulya, kula/river/
13/78/a-gar-gar/dropping, dung (sheep, gazelle)/gobar/dung/
14/82/dug-a-gi-a dug-aga/a vessel/donga, dongi/Vessel boat/
15/83/a-gi-a-um/a garment/angian, janghian/garment of upper body, garment
of lower body/
16/87/a-gi-uru/high tide/jwar/high tide/
17/93/a-gur-ra/vessel for pouring water/gurha/pot for water/
18/93/dug-a-gur-ra/vessel for pouring water/dukda/vessel used in feasts/
19/103/a-la, a-a-la/a metal object, part of metal object, a device for
hoisting water/ala/instrument, tool/

20/114/a-

[CTRL] Hegel's Bastards (1/2)

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

from "THE BATTLE FOR AMERICA'S SOUL" by Balint Vazsonyi

THE UNLIKELY TWINS

 For a long time, notwithstanding the Hitler-Stalin pact of
1939, I accepted the conventional wisdom that Communism and
Nazism were opposites -- one on the extreme left, the other on
the extreme right.  Proof could be found in the relentless
persecution of each in the realm of the other. Attention under
both regimes was successfully focused on the differences, a
requirement of conditioning the population for war -- hot, cold
or permanent. The world at large became involved in their
hostilities during the Spanish Civil War of 1936. Since
recruitment in America was carried out solely by the Communist
Party (CPUSA) under the direction of COMINTERN, Americans found
themselves invariably on the side opposite Franco and,
consequently, the "Abraham Lincoln Battalion" merged with the
Communists of the International Brigades.
 This was the time when Americans succumbed to the myth that
Communists and Fascists ("Nazi" and "Fascist" will be discussed
below) are each other's enemies to the end, and the roster of
distinguished personalities who made up the "North American
Committee to Aid Spanish Democracy" --unaware of being skillfully
manipulated-- left no doubt that Communists were 'on the side of
righteousness'.
 Rather than enemies, Nazism and Communism were the ultimate
COMPETITORS.
 Each wanted to conquer and rule -- both over the physical
world, as did the Roman Empire, AND over the minds of people, as
did the Church of Rome or Islam.
 The reason: In the 20th century, conquest of the physical
world proved no longer feasible using conventional armed forces.
Total war required participation by the entire citizenry, while
the potential ability of civilians to resist government required
their neutralization.
 Thus, methods were developed and implemented for the control
of behavior. These took many forms, not all of them obvious or
even unpleasant, when dispensed in small doses.  Yet they struck
at the heart of human relations; they also severed the link
between cause and effect, so essential in developing an
individual's viability. Analysis of these methods as observed
under Nazism and Communism leads one to the recognition of
similarities which, as indicated, prove far more significant than
differences.
 We need to remind ourselves of key words which have, in
common usage, taken on different connotations: Fascism, Nazism,
Communism. Webster defines FASCISM and NAZISM in almost identical
terms: "a centralized autocratic severely national regime";
"regimentation of industry, commerce and finance"; "rigid
censorship, forcible suppression of opposition". The definition
of COMMUNISM begins with "common ownership of assets". The
subheading BOLSHEVISM, however, resembles the wording applied to
Fascism and Nazism.
 Webster comes remarkably close, but no fully-satisfactory
definitions exist. We call German terrorists and bureaucrats
under Hitler "Nazis" because a cartoon made fun of the National
Socialist German Workers' Party and the joke stuck. These days,
the label "Fascist" is applied to persons disagreeing with any
aspect of the so-called Liberal agenda, yet the term originally
identified members of the Italian political organization, so
designated by Mussolini in order to establish a link with the
Roman Empire. Although the word "communism" made many appearances
before the advent of revolutionary Marxism, for our purposes
Marx and Lenin defined it as the final outcome of a three-stage
process: "Dictatorship of the Proletariat," leading to
"Socialism" (in which distribution of the national product is
based on individual performance), leading to "Communism" (in
which distribution of the national product is based on individual
need). Of course, anyone who lived through it knows that, of all
this pseudo-scholarly nonsense, the word "dictatorship"
represented the only, grim, reality.
 Initially I tried to distinguish between "National
Socialism" (the German and Italian varieties) and "International
Socialism" (the Russian model), accepting the difference in
agendas as stated by the parties themselves. Reality again gives
rhetoric the lie. Albeit without the Nuremberg Laws or prescribed
physical characteristics, "The Soviet Man" was made the object of
enforced worship just the same as was the Aryan hero -- nothing
international about that. Not even in the approach to the
fundamental Marxian issue of ownership can we observe a
substantial difference: The "Program of the National Socialist
German Workers' Party" demands "the nationalization of all
business enterprises that have been organized into corporations".
 Perhaps enough time has passed to permit examination in
realistic terms of these approaches to social organization,
concentrating on essential characteristics and demonstrated
aspirations as opposed to cliches. Decades of observation, as
well as ceaseless consideration given to the 

[CTRL] Hegel's Bastards (2/2)

[Das GOAT]

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from "THE BATTLE FOR AMERICA'S SOUL" by Balint Vazsonyi

 Over time, the forces endeavoring to bring about an
equitable organization of human society were consolidated
increasingly into two opposing patterns of thinking: One evolved
from German philosophy, the other from English political and
economic principles.
 Followers of German philosophy claim the supreme ability of
man to define good and evil; to differentiate successfully
between what is right and wrong for all creatures; to determine
the needs of COMMUNITIES past, present and future; and to arrange
for the administration, arbitration and fulfillment of such
needs. When translated into practice, the result is invariably a
prescription to which all are required to conform -- in other
words government by FIAT.
 On the opposite, English, side the recognition has emerged
that communities consist of INDIVIDUALS whose needs are best
identified by themselves; that rights and contracts which protect
the fruits of effort constitute the best incentive for
individuals to provide for their own needs; that limiting the
rules and regulations to the necessary minimum encourages the
evolution of communities which are easy to govern because the
fewer the rules, the broader the agreement.  The result is
government by consent of the governed.
 In the course of the 20th century these two forces have come
to engage in ongoing, mortal combat. The two world wars ended
with the victory of the English side. The next global engagement,
the so-called Cold War, produced a similar outcome. Yet,
notwithstanding the loss of 'hot' and 'cold' wars or the apparent
verdict of History, nothing and no one as yet succeeded in
persuading the party of the first part that defeat would have to
be accepted. Indeed, while German social theory's vanguards --
Communism and National Socialism-- were leading the charge, the
next battlefield was being prepared constantly.
 The United States of America, that most powerful embodiment
of English political and economic principles, could be neither
invaded nor subdued by the threat of nuclear annihilation. An
altogether fresh approach evolved, as ingenious and enticing as
German philosophy itself, which carried the battle to the
heartland of the adversary and made it a part of every-day life
in a time of peace.
 This latest version of the same social theory --having
attracted proponents of whom many are uninformed about the true
nature of their beliefs-- is currently waging its most
devastating assault upon the domestic arrangements of the United
States. Many of its key elements have already pervaded our
thinking, our language, our institutions.
 The urgency in wishing to publish these findings has to do
with the first 28 years of my life which were comprised of Nazi
terror, Communist terror, and being a stateless refugee. Early
experiences included saving my mother from deportation by the
Nazis and my older brother from being carted off by the KGB (then
GPU), before I turned 9. It was relatively easy then: The enemy
wore uniforms, or at least arm bands. Leather coats were
preferred. The world was at war. Even during the years of the
Cold War, in Hungary where I grew up, the only thing cold about
it was the sweat when you heard the midnight knock on the door.
Not until I became a United States citizen did the bad dreams, in
which I was discovered in the 'wrong place' and arrested, cease
to visit me.
 Presentation of the argument reflects my own thought
process, initiated by the recognition of fundamental precepts
common to Communists and Nazis. When in power, they employed
different criteria for dispensing DEATH to innocent millions, but
their ideologies intend the same arid LIFE for billions around
the globe. We need to examine the fate which was forced upon the
living by shifting our gaze from the much-exposed horrors of the
exterminations (which may appear outwardly different) to the
virtually ignored nightmare of every-day realities (which will
prove remarkably similar). Acts of physical violence by the
state affected many in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, but the
process of gaining control of the mind and reducing humans to
willing tools reached every man, woman and child.
 This study begins, therefore, with a comparative analysis of
Communism and Nazism, followed by the exposure of their origins,
and of those among their tenets and practices which have found
their way into American life. As well as intellectual
clarification, it will provide an array of useful facts for those
who fight in "The War of the Words" as it unfolds every day and
night over the airwaves.


 PHILOSOPHICAL FOUNDATIONS

 If, as I had suggested, Fascism, Nazism, Communism,
Bolshevism are not really different in methods and outcome, if
they are branches of the same tree, it stands to reason to look
for shared roots. Conventional wisdom holds that Communism grew
out of Karl Marx's writings, while it is customary

[CTRL] Hegel [repost]

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

 HEGEL'S PLACE IN HISTORY

 I.
 Georg Friedrich Wilhelm HEGEL (1770-1831) has sometimes been
called "the greatest philosopher of the 19th Century" -- and with
good reason, as we can see in looking back across modern history,
because it was HIS philosophy, so-called German "Idealism," which
gave birth to the ideology which would dominate the next century,
TOTALITARIANISM, and which established the crossroads from which,
turning Left and Right, would emerge both Communism and Fascism.
 "Communism" was born when economic conditions existing in
the period immediately following the philosopher's death were
interpreted according to the philosopher's Dialectic of History
by Hegel's disciple, Karl Marx.
 "Fascism" [a modern term not coined until 1919] first came
into being, in effect, when Hegel's "World Spirit" --the GERMAN
collective Will, the protagonist in his "Philosophy of History"--
was embraced by Houston Chamberlain to define the "Pan-Germanic"
Volksgeist ("Aryan" collective consciousness) and used by the
architects of the new Prusso-German State, founded in 1870, to
justify idealizing the State -- the seed of what would flower
later into Mussolini's Fascism and Hitler's National Socialism.

 Likewise, it was HEGEL's philosophy --the first permitting
men to interpret the concept of Collective Mind as RACIAL Will--
which was ultimately responsible --ironically-- for BOTH the
anti-Semitism AND "Semitism" that wreaked such havoc across the
next century, breaking out in pogroms all throughout Europe and
Russia and culminating in the Holocaust in World War II.
 Both "Aryans" as a "Master Race" and (in the 19th Century)
Jews as a "Chosen People" --each possessing a supra-national,
RACIAL identity, along with a "Destiny"-- are almost entirely
products of HEGEL's philosophy, without any other antecedent,
because, just as Hegel played a central role in defining Pan-
Germanic (so-called "Aryan") consciousness, it was likewise a
disciple of HEGEL --Marx's mentor Moses Hess-- who must be
credited with envisioning world Jewry's identity in ZIONISM.
 In 1841 (just ten years after Hegel's death) Hess wrote "The
European Triarchy," in which he weighed what changes were needed
in order to UNITE Europe.  One conclusion he reached, announced
in "Rome and Jerusalem" published in 1862, was that the Jewish
people could never find freedom and equality within Christendom
without suffering loss of their identity AS Jews.  The only way
they could be be free AND culturally distinct was to obtain a
geographical territory of their own and to resettle there.
 Hess' argument was the first formal statement of "Zionism"
(advocating a homeland for the repatriation of the Jewish people)
and the original source of inspiration for the efforts of Theodor
Herzl, the man popularly viewed as "the founder of Zionism."
 Not only that, but, according to the Encyclopedia Judaica,
Hess' "Rome and Jerusalem" helped define "ARYAN" (i.e., German)
identity as fundamentally ANTI-SEMITIC --in a sense CONDITIONED
by Jewish identity-- by portraying Semitic Jewry and "Aryan"
Christendom as polar opposites, reciprocally bound as Thesis and
Antithesis, in a game whose rules were defined by HEGEL.

 In conclusion, then, it is HEGEL, "High Priest" of a German
philosophy --actually, as we shall see, an alternative THEOLOGY--
mislabelled "Idealism," we can thank for the scourge of quasi-
religious, totalitarian belief systems passing as "ideologies"
in the 20th Century -- both Communism and Fascism (and Hitler's
Nazism), not only Germany's "Aryan" imperialism but "Zionism,"
and, to lesser extent, the "racial" myth used to justify ALL
would-be Empires (including the British) from the mid-19th to
early 20th Century, "the AGE of Imperialism" and Colonialism.
(The "Social Darwinism" which is sometimes advanced to explain
the contest of rival Empires during that time was really not a
product of Darwin but, again, of HEGEL -- Hegel's philosophy
PRECEDED Darwin's doctrine by decades and gave it its MEANING.)

 Finally, let us emphasize that Hegel's was a distinctly
GERMAN philosophy --particularly in its expressions on the Far
Right, more in accord with the German Will (as Hegel himself
would say)-- which goes far toward explaining why the central
battleground for all the ideologies he spawned has always been
Germany itself -- as if outwardly manifesting a spiritual war
occurring WITHIN the tortured German psyche.
 The significance of that point will become clear later.


 II.
 If we wish to be perfectly accurate, however, we must note
that Hegel himself was not really the originator of this system
of thought identified with him, which has carved such a bloody
path through modern history.  Hegel's distinction is only that he
gave VOICE to it again most recently, and that others heard and
responded to his particular communication of it.
 Hegel's philosophy has its own "genealogy," which can 

[CTRL] Japan's Oligarchs and Global Capitalism

[Das GOAT]

 From "Facts and Fascism," by George Seldes, 1943

 "Fascism is a reorganization of society to maintain unequal
distribution of economic power and a substitution of barbaric
[nationalist] values for [individual liberty]."
 Raymonf Gram Swing, "Forerunners of American Fascism."

 "Fascism is a dictatorship from the extreme Right, or to put
it a little more closely into our local idiom, a government which
is run by a small group of industrialists and financial lords.
Of course, if you want to go back into recent history, the
influence of big business has always been present in our federal
government -- BUT there have been CHECKS on its control ..
 "I insist that we can have Fascism even while we maintain
the pretense of democratic machinery.  The mere presence of a
Supreme Court, a House of Representatives, a Senate and a
President are not sufficient protection against centralization of
power in the hands of a few men who hold NO political office.
"Even in the case of Hitler, many shrewd observers [in 1936]
feel that he is no more than a 'front man,' and that his power is
derived from the large munitions and steel barons of Germany ...
 "One of the first steps which Fascism must take in any land
in order to capture power is to disrupt and destroy the labor
movement ... It is not unfair to say that any businessman in
America, or public leader, who sets out to [disenfranchise the
working man] is laying the foundation for Fascism."
 HEYWOOD BROUN, May, 1936.

 "The press is the hired agent of a monied system and set up
for no other purpose than to tell lies wherever its interests are
involved."
  The Letters of Henry Adams, Vol. II, p. 99. p244



 GLOBAL CARTEL of "MERCHANTS OF DEATH"

 In the wave of disillusion which swept over the world after
the Treaty of Versailles and proved that the old march of the
imperialists would be resumed and that all international idealism
(Woodrow Wilson's for example) would be destroyed, many secrets
were uncovered and one of the most sensational was that
concerning the international of blood -- the cartels of the
merchants of death, the armaments makers, who made a profit on
the guns, the shells and the bullets.  The manufacturing
corporations in many instances were found linked to governments
and to have arranged, even in wartime, for the continuance of
their dividends and distribution of their profits.
 There were several hundred members of the cartels, but only
fifty were powerful and of these the handful which influenced
world events and formed the Harvey United Steel Co. cartel, the
Nobel Dynamite Trust, the various rifle, gunpowder and similar
cartels were: Krupp in Germany, Vickers-Armstrong in Britain,
Schneider Creusot in France, Skoda in Austria-Hungary,
Terni-Ansaldo in Italy, Mitsui in Japan and the Bethlehem Steel
Company and DuPont Empire in the United States.  Charles M.
Schwab's Bethlehem held 4,30I shares in the Harvey cartel.
Albert Vickers was chairman.
 It should be noted here that just as American Big Business
was found at the time of the first World War to be linked to
Japanese Big Business through the Harvey cartel, Nobel
international trust and other agencies, so just before the
outbreak of the Global War it was discovered that the
international of money was even stronger than ever.  One of the
links was the I. G. Farbenindustrie, which Hitler and Goering
controlled and which involved Standard Oil, Standard Drug,
General Motors, General Electric and other of our greater
corporations.
 Just as American Big Business was linked to Japan through
the Harvey combine (steel), the Nobel Dynamite Trust (munitions)
and the other munitions cartels before the last war, so before
the Global War there were the usual international cartels in
which both the U. S. and Japan shared with Germany ...


 ON JAPAN:

 "Japan's financial oligarchy," wrote Anthony Jenkinson for
the Institute of Pacific Relations, "is composed of great family
trusts known as Zaibatsu. Its leading members are the Houses of
Mitsui, Mitsubishi, Sumitomo and Yasuda.  Between them they own
the greater part of industry, trade, banking, and shipping. By
I937 they controlled more than one third of the total deposits
in private banks, 70% of the deposits in all trust companies, and
one third of total foreign trade. By controlling the banks, they
controlled the smaller credit institutions throughout the
country."
 The income tax returns of I938-39 showed that Japan consists
of a vast majority of farm workers and farmers and industrial
workers who earn less than the equivalent of $10 a week. There is
almost no middle class, only 1,500,000 or about one family in 40,
which earns less than $2,500 a year, but on the other hand there
is a small rich and powerful ruling class consisting of 3,233
persons with incomes of $50,000 or more a year. The top flight
consists of 7 perso

[CTRL] More on Willoughby

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 -Caveat Lector-

Excerpt from The Man Who Knew Too Much
by Dick Russell (C)1992 Carroll & Graf Publishers/ Richard Gallen
260 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10001

" ... His name first came to my attention in an anonymous letter,
a response to the first article I wrote in 1975 about the
assassination. lf I wanted to "solve" the great mystery, I was
advised to examine the career of someone identified only as
"Tscheppe-Weidenbach," born in Heidelberg, Germany, in 1892.
 It was only recently that I discovered that Adolf Tscheppe-
Weidenbach was the original name of Charles Willoughby.  In
biographies he provided to the Army and to Who's Who in America,
Willoughby described himself as the son of a German baron and an
American woman from Baltimore. Later, Reporter magazine would
question the nobility of his lineage. A friend from his early
days in the United States said that both his parents were German
and that Willoughby was a rough anglicization of Weidenbach
(which means "willow brook").  Willoughby. told a reporter that
he was an orphan and never knew his father. It was a past marked
with ambiguity from the beginning. (38)
 During World War I, along with future OSS chief William J.
Donovan, Willoughhy had chased bandit Pancho Villa for the U.S.
Expeditionary Force in Mexico. Then Willoughby helped train
Allied fliers in France and. in the 1920s, served as a
military attache in Venezuela, Columbia and Ecuador, where he
built a reputation as an expert on military intelligence.
 In the mid-1930s, while Willoughby was teaching at Fort
Leavenworth, he met General Douglas MacArthur. Between 1941 and
1951, Willoughby would go on to serve as General MacArthur's
chief of Army G-2 intelligence. (39)
 It is not stretching a point to say that Willoughby was a
racist, an antiSemite, and, as even MacArthur referred to him,
"my little Fascist"(40) was an odd, clever, little-known man,
fluent in four languages, whose bearing was almost a caricature
of a Prussian officer and earned him the nickname "Sir Charles."
  Willoughby's physically intimidating six-foot three-inch,
22O-pound frame meshed with a character that was both autocratic
and arrogant. Aside from MacArthur, his hero was Spain's Frscist
dictator Francisco Franco, whom he had first met in the 1920s. In
1939 Willoughby had written of the Italian dictator Mussolini:
"Historical judgement, freed from the emotional haze of the
moment, will credit Mussolini with wiping out a memory of defeat
by re-establishing the traditional military supremacy of the
white race."(41) He viewed the Soviet bloc as the great enemy,
"the historical continuity of 'Mongoloid-PanSlavism." (42)

Page 124

 According to Sheathing the Sword, "Hattori's mission in life
after the war was to exploit the American-Soviet conflict to
Japan's advantage." (49)  Hatori may have been related to the
wealthy Hattori family that was reputed to own some of the real
estate in Tokyo's "Geisha strip" of nightclubs,  where American
servicemen --espcially those stationed at the Atsugi-- base went
for their entertainment.(50)  Their turf included the Queen Bee
club frequented in the late 1950s by both Richard Case Nagell and
Harvey Oswald, a story we shall examine in more detail.
 When author Edward Jay Epstein was researching his 1978 book
about Oswald, Jones Harris, then one of his research assistants,
set about obtaining the names and addresses of the men who had
served overseas with the young Marine.
 Harris was able to interview, among others, Marine
lieutenant John Donovan, once stationed with Oswald in Japan and
later at the El Toro Marine Base in California.  While at EI
Toro, Donovan recalled that Oswald had received a visit in 1959
from a member of the Hattori clan.  Donovan recognized the
visitor as the brother of a Hattori girl he himself had known in
Tokyo.  The young man, according to Donovan, was Noboru Hattori,
son of the president of the Hattori Watch Company in Tokyo.
Harris added that Noboru Hattori was located and admitted having
visited the Santa Ana base en route to Chicago, but maintained
that his trip was in 1962 (not 1959) and denied ever having met
Oswald. (51)
 Whether this Hattori family was related to Tokushiro Hattori
-or precisely which Hattoris owned the nightclub real estate in
Tokyo- I have been unable to determine.  But in the 1951 Kaji
Wataru kidnapping, and no doubt many other ventures, the
Takushiro Hattori organization had worked in conjunction with the
mysterious "ZED group" organized by Jack Canon with Willoughby's
blessing in the late 1940s. Twenty years later, Nagell would
bring up Canon's name with a Garrison investigator. "Jack Canon,"
the notes of the conversation depict, "rub-out man for CIA."
Little else is known about Canon, but by the eary 1960s he would
become an associate editor for Willoughby's Foreign Intelligence
Digest and work with the ex-general on the International
Committee for the Defense of Christian Culture.(52) And 

[CTRL] Enoch and the "Nefilim"

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 from:  http://www.peg.apc.org/~newdawn/42b1.htm

   The Forbidden Legacy of
   a Fallen Race -- Part 1
  by Andrew Collins

 Extracted from New Dawn No.40 (January-February, 1997)

 Is civilisation the legacy of a race of human angels known
as Watchers and Nephilim?  Andrew Collins, author of FROM THE
ASHES OF ANGELS, previews his history of angels and fallen angels
and traces their origin back to an extraordinarily advanced
culture that entered the Near East shortly after the end of the
last Ice Age.
 Angels are something we associate with beautiful
Pre-Raphaelite and renaissance paintings, carved statues
accompanying gothic architecture and supernatural beings who
intervene in our lives at times of trouble. For the last 2000
years this has been the stereotypical image fostered by the
Christian Church. But what are angels? Where do they come from,
and what have they meant to the development of organised
religion?
 Many people see the Pentateuch, the first five books of the
Old Testament, as littered with accounts of angels appearing to
righteous patriarchs and visionary prophets. Yet this is simply
not so. There are the three angels who approach Abraham to
announce the birth of a son named Izaac to his wife Sarah as he
sits beneath a tree on the Plain of Mamre. There are the two
angels who visit Lot and his wife at Sodom prior to its
destruction. There is the angel who wrestles all night with Jacob
at a place named Penuel, or those which he sees moving up and
down a ladder that stretches between heaven and earth.
 Yet other than these accounts, there are too few examples,
and when angels do appear the narrative is often vague and
unclear on what exactly is going on. For instance, in the case of
both Abraham and Lot the angels in question are described simply
as `men', who sit down to take food like any mortal person.

 Influence of the Magi

 It was not until post-exilic times -- i.e. after the Jews
returned from captivity in Babylon around 450 BC -- that angels
became an integral part of the Jewish religion. It was even
later, around 200 BC, that they began appearing with frequency in
Judaic religious literature. Works such as the Book of Daniel and
the apocryphal Book of Tobit contain enigmatic accounts of
angelic beings that have individual names, specific appearances
and established hierarchies. These radiant figures were of
non-Judaic origin. All the indications are that they were aliens,
imports from a foreign kingdom, namely Persia.
 The country we know today as Iran might not at first seem
the most likely source for angels, but it is a fact that the
exiled Jews were heavily exposed to its religious faiths after
the Persian king Cyrus the Great took Babylon in 539 BC. These
included not only Zoroastrianism, after the prophet Zoroaster or
Zarathustra, but also the much older religion of the Magi, the
elite priestly caste of Media in north-west Iran. They believed
in a whole pantheon of supernatural beings called ahuras, or
`shining ones', and daevas -- ahuras who had fallen from grace
because of their corruption of mankind.
 Although eventually outlawed by Persia, the influence of the
Magi ran deep within the beliefs, customs and rituals of
Zoroastrianism. Moreover, there can be little doubt that
Magianism, from which we get terms such as magus, magic and
magician, helped to establish the belief among Jews not only of
whole hierarchies of angels, but also of legions of fallen angels
-- a topic that gains its greatest inspiration from one work
alone -- the Book of Enoch.

 The Book of Enoch

 Compiled in stages somewhere between 165 BC and the start of
the Christian era, this so-called pseudepigraphal (i.e. falsely
attributed) work has as its main theme the story behind the fall
of the angels. Yet not the fall of angels in general, but those
which were originally known as 'îrin ('îr in singular), "those
who watch", or simply `watchers' as the word is rendered in
English translation.
 The Book of Enoch tells the story of how 200 rebel angels,
or Watchers, decided to transgress the heavenly laws and
`descend' on to the plains and take wives from among mortal kind.
The site given for this event is the summit of Hermon, a mythical
location generally associated with the snowy heights of Mount
Hermon in the Ante-Lebanon range, north of modern-day Palestine
(but see below for the most likely homeland of the Watchers).
 The 200 rebels realise the implications of their
transgressions, for they agree to swear an oath to the effect
that their leader Shemyaza would take the blame if the whole
ill-fated venture went terribly wrong.
 After their descent to the lowlands, the Watchers indulge in
earthly delights with their chosen `wives', and through these
unions are born giant offspring named as Nephilim, or Nefilim, a
Hebrew word meaning `those who have fallen', which is ren

[CTRL] Whitley Strieber, "Mind Control" and the CIA

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 In the biography of Whitley Strieber given in "Popular Authors" (or some
series along those lines; I don't have my xerox in front of me), Strieber
revealed that in the '60s he was in England attending the London School of
Economics, filming a documentary on the Process Church of the Final
Destruction (a Scientology offshoot, influential with Charles Manson, and
according to Ed Sanders, a group with intelligence connections)
... Shortly thereafter, he reported, for the FIRST TIME he began experiencing
"missing time" and sensing an "alien" presence, as well as having odd
feelings like imagining he was seeing things through the eyes of the Texas
university sniper/assassin ...
 Was Strieber --primarily an imaginative horror-fiction author--
"programmed" in England, given the basics of his "alien gospel" which he has
expounded ever since?
 If so, exactly who "programmed" him, and for what "social engineering"
purpose?


Date:   Friday, December 5, 1997 11:59:42 AM
From:   KATHY KASTEN
Subj:   The CIA & The Secret School

 In: UFO Conspiracies & Cover-Ups; Special Issue, No. 1, 1998
Editor: Timothy Beckley "The Secret Government" or "The
perplexing puzzle of Whitley Streiber's Secret School", pages
45-53. by John Chambers (M.A. in English from the University of
Toronto; was  full-time instructor in English at Dawson College,
Montreal, Quebec, and a senior editor at McGraw-Hill; publishing
& managing editor with International Thomson Transport Press,
both in New York; now an adjunct professor at Florida Atlantic
University.)
 Mr. Chambers interviewed Whitley Streiber in March 1996
at the Gulf Breeze UFO Conference at the Clarion Resort Hotel in
Pensacola, Florida.
 "The goal of this telepathic rape by disinformation,
according to many in  the UFO community, is to draw public
attention away from what is really  taking place: The unbridled
use of vastly superior, other-worldly power by a  group that has
steadily become answerable to no one." (Quoting Chambers from
his article.)
 "Ironically, while Strieber himself did not seem to be
suggesting - or even  thinking, at least consciously - that his
own writings could be understood in terms of this conspiracy,
his speculations made some who found his latest revelations in
'The Secret School' too extraordinary to be believed, wonder
whether the Secret School was really a set of memories implanted
by the Secret Government."
 ". ... learning to live outside time ... I'm hoping the
Secret School will be a mnemonic device and enable a lot of
people to remember their own childhood experiences.  I think
every encounter starts in the Secret School", stated Streiber.
Quoting Chambers: (referring to his travel back to lost
civilizations)
 Strieber seemed from time to time to back away from a
literal interpretation  of these experiences.
 Again, from Chambers: Later in the conference was when the
astute researcher  hinted at this 'other meaning to this reality
altogether' in statements the  implications of which he did not
seem to be fully aware of himself.
 At this  session, Strieber spoke extensively of the Secret
Government within our government.
 He began by chronicling his personal experience of the CIA.
It was an organization that he hated.  "I know a lot about the
CIA," he declared.  "I know a lot of people in the CIA and I've
been very close to  the CIA at certain times in my life."
 But, he went on, "I don't like the  CIA. I think it's a
disaster, a national catastrophe of the first order, a SATANIC
monstrosity ..."
 Continuing: Then Strieber made the startling statement that,
for some at the conference,  seemed to undermine the authenticity
of the 'Secret School' and open the  discussion out to very
different vistas.
  "In my childhood," he said  quietly, " I was tested at a
university in San Antonio, in about 1954-55,  for a long time,
with a lot of tests - this was the same time I was having  my
encounters as a child.  Intelligence tests, I guess they were; I
don't  remember them very clearly.  My brother was subjected when
he was the same  age to the same tests at the same place by the
same doctor.  We were never  told what these tests were about.
We were never told by our parents why it  was done."
 "One of the things that I have been quietly researching over
the past few  years is CIA mind control activities that took
place back in the 50s, using  drugs, hypnosis, and involving
children especially bright kids.  Because I  fear that I may have
been part of that ... I want to find out all about it.  I want to
understand it more."
 Quoting from Chambers: "he even-almost compulsively-returned
once more to the subject of implants, alien or otherwise, and
spoke of their capability  to interact with the brain and to
cause hallucinations.  He had recently had  a particularly
powerful experience with the visitors, he said -- and, just
before that experience, he had smelled a strong, tang

[CTRL] More On Mumia

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Subject: More On Mumia
Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 10:01 PM


As my in box indicates, there are strong
feelings on all sides of the Mumia Abu-
Jamal case. Two days ago a death warrant
was signed for the state-sponsored murder
of Mumia. The following article written
by Rick Finley is must reading for anyone
interested in hearing the side of the
story other than that of the media and
the police whose brutality was a focus
of Mumia's activism prior to his arrest.
The case I cited is JUST ONE example of
(http://www.erols.com/igoddard/mumia.htm)
witness tampering and unethical actions
perpetrated by the authorities in an
effort to imprison and murder Mumia.

The unconscionable witness intimidation
proven and displayed openly in court in
this case is proof of injustice and is
prima facie evidence of an effort to
frame an innocent man. What is more,
even if you suspect Mumia, not the
man seen running from the scene, shot
officer Faulkner, how could anyone with
clear conscience send a man to his DEATH
in a case where there's even the slightest
degree of doubt... in a case where witness
tampering was necessary to get a conviction?!

Keep up with news on & protests for Mumia Abu-Jamal:
http://mojo.calyx.net/~refuse/mumia/103198majlists.html


http://mdle.com/WrittenWord/rfinley/finley21.htm


THE CASE FOR MUMIA ABU-JAMAL

By Rick Finley (04/11/96)

At 3:52 a.m. on December 9, 1981, award-winning
black journalist Mumia Abu-Jamal was driving a
taxi-cab when he saw his brother being beaten
on the sidewalk by a Philadelphia police officer.
Jamal got out of his car to break up the scuffle,
a crowd gathered, and in the ensuing confusing,
both the officer and Jamal were shot. The
officer, Daniel Faulkner, died, and Jamal was
arrested and taken to the hospital for care.

Mumia was beaten at the scene of the crime and
at the hospital. When he awoke in his hospital
bed, he found a grinning police officer trying
to squeeze the contents of his urine bag back
into his body. This animosity from the police
was not a surprise. Mumia Abu-Jamal was a
founding member of the Black Panther party at
the age of fifteen, a member of the radical
black group MOVE, and an extremely vocal critic
of police brutality and police corruption in
the city of Philadelphia. The police had been
keeping Jamal under surveillance for years,
and the incident involving Faulkner was a
beautiful opportunity, in their eyes, to put
him out of the way.

Jamal was charged with the murder of the police
officer, and one of the most unconstitutional
and one-sided trials in recent history began.

There were three main aspects of the prosecution's
case. The first aspect was the testimony of three
"eyewitnesses" who testified that they had seen
Jamal shoot the police officer. The prosecution's
star witness was a woman named Cynthia White, a
prostitute with 38 convictions in Philadelphia
alone, with three cases pending. Other witnesses,
who even passed polygraph tests, claimed that
White was not even at the scene. Why then, would
she tell such a lie? It turns out that the police
offered to not only allow her to continue being a
prostitute, but to protect her with plainclothes
police officers while she was doing it. Sounds
like a good incentive to give a false testimony.
It should also be noted that none of the
prosecution's witnesses took polygraph tests.

Another prostitute, Veronica Jones, was informed
by police that she would be allowed to work
the street unhindered if she would give testimony
similar to White's.

The third witness for the prosecution, Mark
Scanlan, not only misidentified Jamal at the
scene as being the driver of a Volkswagen, but
admitted to having been drinking, and confessing
that he "could have been mistaken" about where
the events took place.

The second part of the prosecution's case was
an alleged "confession" given by Jamal at the
hospital after the shootings. The does its best
to cover several discrepancies in this
"confession", but they are much too large to
ignore. First of all, the prosecution did not
even reveal this story until two months after
the shooting, even though if it had been made
the night of the murder, as they say, it would
have been splashed all over the headlines the
next day.

The second weakness in this allegation lies in
the fact that this confession was never included
in the police report. The officer who made the
report could have testified that this was true,
but he was sent "on vacation" for the trial,
and Jamal was not allowed by the court to
subpeona him. Even without this officer's
testimony, the confession story was contradicted
by Dr. Anthony V. Colletta, who worked in the
emergency room. Despite this, it 

[CTRL] Masons Started WWI?

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  Masons Started World War I

Every student of history knows that the event which sparked off
the First World War was the assasination of the Austrian Archduke,
Francis Ferdinand at Sarajevo in 1914.
What very few know is that the conspiracy to kill the Archduke,
was a Masonic Plot. It is almost never mentioned in standard history
texts, yet it is none the less a known fact, that the members of the
group of conspiritors which carried out the assasination were Masons;
and it was revealed, in sworn testimony at their trial,"that the
Freemasons had condemned Francis Ferdinand to death".
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[CTRL] Murder of Mumia Scheduled

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Subject: Murder of Mumia Scheduled
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:50 PM


Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge just signed the death
warrant for African-American activist and journalist
Mumia Abu-Jamal. The state-sponsored murder of Mumia
is scheduled for December 2, 1999. If you can, please
protest on his behalf (http://mumia.org/story1.html).

The key witness whose testimony doomed Mumia admitted
that her testimony was coerced by police. When she
informed the court of this criminal outrage during an
appeal for a new trial, the presiding judge had her
ARRESTED ON THE SPOT on an old bad-check charge!! In
so doing the judge was a willing party to an on-going
effort to intimidate that witness in an effort to
have Mumia killed in a state-sponsored ritual murder.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991013/ts/crime_mumia_1.html

Below is my report on the witness intimidation,
below that is an article written by Mumia on Waco.
Also be sure to read Richard Poe's NewsMax article
on MOVE, "The Waco Before Waco," where the FBI helped
police bomb the MOVE group and then blame it on MOVE:
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/9/22/85323


   http://users.erols.com/igoddard/no-recan.htm

 (free 2 copy (*)-(free 2 forward)


  J U D G E   B A R S   T R U T H

   I N   A B U - J A M A L   A P P E A L


  By Ian Williams Goddard  (11/02/96)

  A key witness, Veronica Jones, whose testimony
  previously doomed MOVE activist Mumia Abu-Jamal
  to a death sentence for the Dec. 9, 1981 death
  of Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner,
  recently recanted her testimony, stating that
  her story was the result of police coercion.[1]
  However,  the judge ruled yesterday that her
  testimony must be barred from being a factor
  of consideration in the ongoing appeal for
  a new trail in Philadelphia. [2]

  Ms. Jones stated during appeals for a new trail
  that right after Faulkner was shot, she told pol-
  ice that she saw two men running from the crime
  scene. Abu-Jamal, a founding member of the Black
  Panther party, could not possibly run because he,
  caught in the cross-fire of the shoot out, was
  shot and seriously wounded. What is more, the
  officer was shot with a .44 caliber gun while
  Abu-Jamal carried a .38 caliber gun. [3]

  Soon after her report to police, Ms. Jones found
  herself in prison charged with armed robbery. Ms.
  Jones says that two officers visited her in her
  prison cell and said that the 10-year prison
  charge would be dropped IF she would falsify her
  testimony to say that she saw nobody running from
  the crime scene, thereby effectively framing po-
  litical activist Abu-Jamal. To ensure her free-
  dom, she agreed to falsify her story.  But 14
  years later, she came clean with the truth.

  Yet now Judge Albert Sabo,  who presided over
  Abu-Jamal's original legal railroading, has just
  ruled that her new testimony must be barred as a
  factor of consideration in the appeal for a new
  trial. The judge said that this time the testimony
  of Veronica has suddenly become ``worthy of little
  or no belief,'' i.e., it's become unreliable. [2]

  This is an attempt of the judge to scrub reality
  out of existence; an attempt to prohibit all that
  threatens to liberate this man from chains and
  from the hangman's noose.

  Clearly, this part of a continuing conspiracy to
  kill a man, an outspoken critic of police brutality,
  that evidence strongly suggests is innocent. As if
  all this was not enough to prove that Abu-Jamal is
  continuing to be railroaded, consider this:

  As Veronica was recanting her previously coerced
  testimony during appeal hearings, before she could
  even walk off the witness stand, she was ARRESTED
  on the spot on an old bad-check charge. Judge Sabo
  had courtroom deputies arrest her, handcuff her,
  and take her into custody right off the stand!! [4]

  If we needed evidence that her previous testimony
  had been coerced,  we surely got it right in the
  courtroom, with the hanging judge orchestrating the
  coercion this time.  Abu-Jamal's attorney, Leonard
  Weinglass, blasted this gross act of intimidation,
  stating: ``It's brutal, it's coercive, it's shock-
  ing. It shouldn't happen...in this country.'' [4]

  
  [1] "Witness Recanting Testimony Against Abu-Jamal
  Appears in Court," Associated Press (09/18/96).
  [2] "Judge Bars Recantation of Witness Who Helped
  Convict Abu-Jamal," Associated 

[CTRL] Masons Murdered Mozart?

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Subject: Masons Murdered Mozart?
Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 9:48 PM

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


   MOZART


   Mozart was a genius
   A child prodigy had been he.
   Composing music from the age of seven
   Playing at the keyboard from the age of three.

   While only a child he concert-toured Europe.
   Audiences delighted with the music they heard,
   Raved and applaued and marvelled,
   This Wunderkind from Salzburg.

   As a man he became evermore profound
   Working diligently at every score.
   Could the Hapsburg Court at Vienna
   Possibly ask for more?

   Opera was one of Mozart's games.
   There's the ABDUCTION FROM THE SERAGLIO.
   The CLEMENCY OF TITUS was quite inspiring,
   And let's not forget IDOMENEO.

   COSI FAN TUTTE and FIGARO,
   Some say DON GIOVANNI was even greater.
   But last of all: THE MAGIC FLUTE
   Of which more will be said later.

   He composed in almost every form
   From sonata to motet,
   Divertimento, mass and fugue,
   And probably many others - you bet.

   Serenades and string quartets
   And symphonies in G minor.
   As for his clarinet concerto,
   I have never heard one finer.

   But Mozart joined Freemasonry,
   An international secret society,
   With symbols and ritual and mystery,
   And Hiram Abiff in its third degree.

   With passwords, and hand shakes, and door knocks,
   And covert signs when they are needed,
   But most of all, an oath of secrecy,
   Which each Mason is warned, must be heeded.

   Now Mozart's final opera
   Was a peculiar one it would seem,
   For the story of this opera
   Contained a strange Masonic theme.

   But more than this it so happened,
   Or maybe it was meant to be;
   In this work Mozart "leaked out" Masonic secrets,
   Perhaps a bit carelessly.

   "NO ONE IS TO REVEAL OUR SECRETS"
   Thunders the Worshipful Master from his stand,
   Or he will be dealt a fatal blow
   From the vindictive Masonic Hand.

   Yes - When a Mason discloses the secrets,
   He somehow meets with a tragic fate;
   As did, for example, William Morgan,
   At a somewhat later date.

   Now, curiously enough with Mozart,
   Shortly after this opera's premier,
   The composer was to meet with death,
   Though he was only in his thirty-sixth year.

   For to reveal the secrets of this Order
   Is to its members a serious sin.
   And so til this day some have wondered:
   Did the Masons do Mozart in?


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[CTRL] [smashthestate] Michigan wants to drug test all welfare recipients

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Subject: [smashthestate] Michigan wants to drug test all welfare recipients
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 11:29 PM

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 Michigan ACLU Seeks Halt to Nation's First
 Mandatory Welfare Drug Testing Program
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, September 30, 1999
DETROIT -- Saying that Michigan's poorest families should
not be treated
like criminals, the American Civil Liberties Union of
Michigan today
filed
a federal class-action lawsuit to halt the nation's first
statewide drug
testing requirement for welfare recipients.

"Mandatory drug testing of a broad swath of the adult
population has
never
in our nation's history been proposed or enacted by a state
government,
much less approved by a court," the ACLU said in its
complaint. A
constitutional ban on Michigan's program, due to go into
effect on
October
1, could send a strong warning to other states, the ACLU
said.

The ACLU filed its class-action lawsuit on behalf of all
Michigan welfare

recipients, including named plaintiffs Tanya L. Marchwinski
and Terri J.
Konieczny, both single mothers on welfare, and Westside
Mothers, a 500+
member advocacy organization created for and by families in
need. The
national ACLU's Drug Policy Litigation Project and local
attorneys are
assisting in the lawsuit.

"Forcing parents to choose between providing for their
children and
giving
up their privacy rights is a giant step backward for public
policy in
Michigan," said Kary Moss, Executive Director of the ACLU of
Michigan and

an attorney in the case.

"The Fourth Amendment guarantees that no individual in this
country can
be
subjected to a search by the government unless there is
reasonable
suspicion that they have committed some crime," she added.
"Welfare
recipients may be poor, but that's not a crime -- not yet,
anyway."

Refusal to submit to random drug testing or failure to
comply with a
mandatory "substance abuse treatment plan" means denial of
income support

and other benefits under the state's "Family Independence
Assistance"
program for families with dependent children. (Adults
without children
are
not eligible for welfare in Michigan.)

The mandatory urine testing program, authorized under (but
not required
by)
Congress' punitive "welfare reform" law of 1996, ignores the
less
restrictive approaches of other states, including testing
only when there

is suspicion of drug use and voluntary programs for
substance abuse and
mental health problems.

"This program only hurts families," said Selma Goode, the
founder of
Westside Mothers. "Whether or not substance abuse drug
treatment is
mandatory, the fact is that Michigan has no adequate drug
therapy
programs
for needy parents with children -- and that is exactly who
this law is
going to affect."

"The state is willing to spend money on drug testing, but
not on drug
treatment," she added. "I think they've got their priorities
mixed up."

Despite Congress' open invitation to conduct the intrusive
searches,
Michigan is the only state now actively seeking to implement
urine
testing.
In Oregon, officials quickly ended a drug testing program
after finding
that anger over the tests impeded treatment and because the
testing did
nothing to address the far more significant problem of
alcoholism.

Florida and Louisiana have considered such programs too, but
Florida
shelved its plans after threat of an ACLU lawsuit, and the
Louisiana
legislature has not yet appropriated the funds needed to
implement a
program.

Michigan officials have claimed that the tests are necessary
in order to
prepare people on welfare for the realities of the working
world. But
according to a July 1999 University of Michigan study,
Michigan's welfare

population has "unusually high levels of some barriers to
work, such as
physical and mental health problems, domestic violence, and
lack of
transportation, but relatively low levels of other barriers,
such as drug

or alcohol dependence."

"The emotionally charged myth of the ‘drug-addicted welfare
mother' is
not
supported by empirical data," said Graham Boyd, director of
the national
ACLU's Drug Policy Litigation Project. "In fact, a recent
federal study
shows that the percentage of welfare recipients using,
abusing, or
dependent on alcohol or drugs is relatively small and is in
fact
consistent
with the general population."

The nation's highest court has also looked askance at
suspicionless
testing. In two recent constitutional challenges to
government drug
testing
of public employees, the Supreme Court ruled that only under
very narrow
circumstances may government emplo

[CTRL] The NON-Sitchin Sumerian Creation Myth

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

 How was Homo sapiens created, according to the Sumerians?
 Forget Sitchin's version, taken from just ONE clay tablet, and
consider what a DIFFERENT, perhaps OLDER, tablet tells us:
 The gods put to death ONE OF THEIR OWN --a REBELLIOUS god,
the story goes-- and from his blood, shed in this SACRIFICE, mixed
with earthbound animal flesh, was first born the SPIRIT of Man,
by which the gods invested their new creature with a longing to
return to his celestial "home," among the immortal deities ...


 SUMERIAN RELIGION
 by Adapa

 In Primeval Days ...

  Creation mythology is generally divisible into two types:
Cosmogony - relating to the creation of the 'Cosmos', and
Anthropogony - relating to the creation of humanity.
 The distinction is important because while specific texts
exist relating to Sumerian anthropogony, no direct texts exist
relating to Cosmogony. Rather, what we do know of their beliefs
on the matter must often be gleaned from wholly unrelated texts.
Though the cosmogonies presented in these texts are subject to
some variation, distinct patterns can be grasped which give
important insight into the Sumerian beliefs regarding the
creation of the cosmos.
 Two fairly dissimilar approaches can be seen in Sumerian
texts.
  The first, called the Eridu Model, relates to the beliefs
of those situated in the southern regions of the country. The
realm of the primal divine here is neither heaven, nor earth, but
water. This realm is defined by the term Engur. This term is
synonymous with Abzu, the "sweet waters of the deep," and is
defined as the subterranean source of the waters which emerge
from beneath the ground. This water was believed to be the source
of the fertile marshes which gave life to this region of the
country. The sign used for Engur can also be used for Nammu, the
Mother Goddess prevalent in early Mesopotamian theology.  Texts
describe Engur/Nammu as 'the mother, first one, who gave birth to
the gods of the universe.' "She is a goddess without a spouse,
the self-procreating womb, the primal matter, the inherently
female and fertilizing waters of the abzu."{1}
 The Northern Model substitutes the primacy of water with the
duality of earth and sky. "Heaven and Earth here are both
regarded as prima materia and generators of life; this is made
explicit by the fact that they are both equated with the symbol
Engur." {2}
 Sometimes one or the other is considered to have existed
first. In the god-list, for example, An is said to be born of
Earth, i.e. Uras (the masculine earth), and Ninuras (the feminine
earth). A genealogy of Enlil also describes the earth as having
appeared first, but focuses solely on its feminine, agricultural
aspect. The text concerning the origin of the "toothworm"
(thought to be the source of toothaches) lists the sky as being
first, "After Anu {3} had created heaven, heaven had created
earth, Earth had created rivers, rivers created canals, canals
created the marsh, the marsh created the worm." {4}
 The most widely-accepted cosmology, however, is to be found
in the text "Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and the Netherworld," wherein we
are told:
 "In primeval days, in distant primeval days, In primeval
nights, in far-off primeval nights, In primeval years, in distant
primeval years -  In ancient days when everything vital had been
brought into existence, In ancient days when everything vital had
been nurtured, When bread had been tasted in the shrines of the
land, When bread had been baked in the ovens of the land - When
heaven had been moved away from earth, When earth had been
separated from heaven, When the name of man had been fixed - When
An had carried off heaven, When Enlil had carried off earth {5}
 Cosmic creation was thus born of the separation of the
Primal Unformed mass of Heaven/Earth.  This mass, it appears, was
given birth to by Nammu/Engur.  What we have no Sumerian source
for, unfortunately, is an explanation of how Nammu/Engur was
engendered, or whether on the contrary she was a preexistent
force.  It may well be here that the Babylonian Creation myth was
seen as helpful by the Semites, for there the 'Preexisting
Primordial Waters' are said to have first engendered Mummu
(Nammu).  In a Tablet which lists the Sumerian Gods, Nammu
is described as "the mother who gave birth to heaven and earth."
{6}  Thereafter, It was the Union of An with Ki, 'heaven' with
'earth', which produced the 'great gods', the Annunaki, as we are
told in the "Myth of Cattle and Grain." {7}
 Enlil thus engendered, it was He who separated the two
cosmic forces, "The Lord, that which is appropriate verily caused
to appear, the lord whose decisions are unalterable, Enlil who
brings up the seed of the land from the earth, took care to move
away earth from heaven, took care to move away heaven from
earth." {8}
 This Heaven/Earth mass must be viewed not as comprised of
otherwise separable pieces, but as being an Essenti

Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Das GOAT]

In a message dated 99-10-15 10:52:23 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> What I would like to know is which scholars have
>criticized Sitchin, what they have said and where they have said it.

>The problem with this whole thing is that Sitchin is one of only about a 100
(is
>that an accurate figure?) or so people who can translate cuneiform, so
>finding somebody who can translate it is very difficult, finding somebody who
>can translate it and be objective-well, good luck.

Last I heard, there were HUNDREDS of people who can decipher Sumerian about
as well as scholars can read Hebrew today, plus there are Sumerian
dictionaries all over the place (if you know where to look in this relatively
recondite field) if anyone wants a more "hands on" approach to grasping the
language in the vast number of texts already translated ...  Sitchin is
unduly playing up the "mystique" of this ancient language.

I myself can sit down with an interlinear Egyptian-English text and, with
hieroglyphic
dictionaries and grammars in hand, examine WORD BY WORD how satisfactorily
the "standard" English translations render the subtleties and connotations of
the original
and, where appropriate, voice my own insights in an ALTERNATIVE translation.
I've done this with both Greek and Hebrew (relatively more "standardized" by
now) also.
If only I could afford it --technical works in fields of limited scholarly
interest are pricey--
I would be doing the same with SUMERIAN, because the field is now THAT
advanced.
On the other hand, one really doesn't NEED to, because nearly all the
existing texts
of any value have ALREADY been translated (the majority of cuneiform tablets
are, I gather, routine ACCOUNTING records and the like!) and it's these which
Mr Sitchin QUOTES, without adding anything NEW, except in cases such as
redefining "shem."
Check out http://www.sumerian.org/sumlinks.htm and you can see just how
advanced
Sumerian scholarship is and how accessible information about it is to
literate laymen.

Otherwise, linguisticaslly, here's an example of Sitchin "debunked," as I
promised:


There's even a web page for educated critics of Sitchin:
http://www.inrs-ener.uquebec.ca/~paynter/paynter/skeptic.html
_


Subject: Re: Looking at Sitchin (12th Planet) and all
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Piotr Michalowski)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:59:12
Organization: University of Michigan
Newsgroup: sci.archeology

 
 On p. 139 Sitchin begins this incredible rubbish by
translating the Sumerian verbal prefix mu- as if it were a noun.
That is like arguing that the /s/ in "dogs" is not a plural
marker but means "bathroom."
 He seems to think that anytime the syllable /mu/  appears,
it is the same thing.  That is like arguing that -ness in
"goodness" is related to the Loch Ness monster!
 On p. 140 he really does a doozy, rendering zag.mu.ku as
"the bright Mu which is from afar."  This is news to everyone who
thought that zagmu meant "new year" in Sumerian and ku (actually
kug) meant "holy" or "pure," especially to the poor fellow who
just published a whole book on the word!  This is the holy
processional barge for the new year festival!
 On p. 141 he invents a meaning for mu "that which raises
straight" for which he provides not a shred of evidence.  That is
followed  by five cuneiform signs which are meant to show the
development of "mu."
 Only the first two are mu, the other three are completely
different signs and have nothing to do with it at all.
 The final sign on the left which he thinks is a conical
chamber is in actuality a version of ninda (bread) or gar (to
place), originally a representation of a beviled rim bowl, the
standard ration bowl of the Uruk culture.
 After more nonsense on p. 143 he says: mu or its Semitic
derivatives shu-mu (that which is a mu), sham or shem But the
universal application of "name" to early texts that spoke of an
object used in flying has obscured the true meaning of early
records".  This is truly mindboggling!  First, the root that
comes out as shumu in Akkadian and shem in much later Hebrew is
an old one, as attested by the fact that it occurs in other
Semitic languages, including Arabic, as well in Ethiopic, that is
in Afro-Asiatic outside of Semitic.  This means that it is older
than any contact with Sumerian and likewise there are no loans
from Sumerian in Ethiopic!
 Just because two words have an m in them does not mean that
they are related!
 If you believe that millions of people have misunderstood
the Old Testament for thousands of years, you might also believe
that one of the most COMMON verbal prefixes in Sumerian actually
refers to SPACESHIPS, so that every other or so Sumerian phrase
is about one thing only -- even when used in cattle accounts!
 If you do that, you would also have to believe that in the
Near East today people speak about speceships to each other every
day and we have never heard about it!   You might be interested
t

[CTRL] FW: NY TIMES on GM Report publication

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: MichaelP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 9:36 AM
To: unlikely.suspects :;
Subject: NY TIMES on GM Report publication


NY TIMES October 15, 1999

A Disputed Study Suggests Possible Harm From Genetically Altered Food
By ANDREW POLLACK

A prestigious medical journal is publishing a study suggesting that
genetically modified food may be harmful, even though the research has
been widely criticized by scientists and was found wanting by some of the
journal's own referees.

The Lancet, a journal based in England, said had it decided to publish the
study in part to spur debate and to avoid being accused of suppressing
information on a controversial subject.

The data "are preliminary and nongeneralisable, but at least they are now
out in the open for debate," Richard Horton, the journal's editor, wrote
in an editorial accompanying the study, which will appear on Saturday.

Publication of the paper in a peer-reviewed journal is likely to further
fan fears about genetically engineered crops in Europe, where consumers
and supermarkets are widely rejecting what opponents have dubbed
Frankenfoods. The study is also likely to be seized upon by opponents of
such food in the United States, where consumers have until recently
expressed little concern about the genetically altered corn and soybeans
that have swept quietly into their diets.

"I think it gives it a certain scientific credibility," said Charles
Margulis of the Washington office of Greenpeace. "It's going to increase
concern here in the United States."

But the decision to publish the study is itself generating debate: some
scientists say the Lancet has lowered its standards and subverted the peer
review process.

"This would never have been published in a plant biology journal," said
Maarten J. Chrispeels, professor of biology at the University of
California at San Diego and editor of the journal Plant Physiology. He
said the experiment was too poorly designed to support the paper's
conclusions.

In an interview from London, Horton said, "In answer to the question,
'Have you lowered your scientific standard?', the answer is no."

Three of the five scientific experts who reviewed the paper supported its
publication on technical merit, he said, albeit after numerous revisions.
One reviewer opposed publication and the fifth thought the study was
flawed but should be published nonetheless in the public interest.

The paper reports that rats fed genetically modified potatoes experienced
a thickening of their stomach walls and other changes in their intestines.
The medical significance of this was not stated, but such a thickening
suggests a reaction to some toxin or irritant.

The potatoes contained an implanted gene from the snowdrop plant that
caused the potatoes to produce a lectin, a type of chemical found in
nearly all plants that helps them fend off insects. Rats in the control
groups were fed either ordinary potatoes or potatoes spiked with lectin.

Some of the changes in the stomachs of the rats fed either the genetically
altered potatoes or the ones spiked with lectin seemed to come from the
presence of the chemical, which some scientists said was not particularly
surprising, because many lectins are toxic.

But other changes, specifically a thickening in the jejunum section of the
small intestine, occurred only in rats fed the genetically altered
potatoes, not the lectin-spiked or nonmodified potatoes. That, the authors
said, suggested that the changes could have been caused by the genetic
engineering itself, an assertion that raises much broader concerns about
so-called biotech foods.

The study was part of broader research done by Arpad Pusztai, a scientist
formerly at the Rowett Research Institute in Scotland. Last year, Pusztai
ignited a furor in Europe when he said on a television show that rats fed
the transgenic potatoes had experienced stunted organ growth and immune
system problems.

The Rowett Institute did not renew Pusztai's employment contract and
concluded in a review that his data did not support his conclusions.

The Royal Society, Britain's senior scientific academy, reviewed Pusztai's
work and earlier this year declared it too flawed to draw any conclusions
about the effects of the transgenic potatoes, in part because because the
experiments had lacked proper controls. The Royal Society yesterday issued
a statement reiterating that conclusion and criticizing The Lancet for
lending "some authenticity" to the study.

In his commentary, Horton said publication was not meant to be a
"vindication" of Pusztai and his co-author of the paper, Stanley W. B.
Ewen, a pathologist at the University of Aberdeen in Scotland.

The Lancet also published a sharp critique of the paper by scientists at
the National Institute for Quality Control of Agricultural Products, which
is based in the Net

[CTRL] Whale & Dolphin alert: NAVY planning DANGEROUS underwater LFAS testing November 1999

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart



From: Reed Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Cetacean Ambassador Network,

THE SITUATION

THE NAVY IS PLANNING ANOTHER SONIC 'EXPERIMENT' INTO THE OCEANS, A BILLION
TIMES LOUDER THAN PREVIOUS SOUND DETONATIONS, IN NOVEMBER 1999, WHICH WILL
HAVE UNKNOWN, BUT PREDICTABLY DELETERIOUS EFFECTS ON CETACEANS WORLDWIDE.


THE STRATEGY

You are requested to copy this letter to the editor and BCC email it to
the major newspapers email address provided below with your name, address
and phone number above the Cetacean Ambassador Network line at the bottom

THE OBJECTIVE

To halt the Navy SURTASS LFA sound detonation and raise public awareness
about the plight of cetaceans.

THE POSSIBLE OUTCOME OF THIS ACTION

If 100 of us respond by emailing this letter it's possible that millions
of readers and decision makers could be alerted to this dangerous,
disrespectful and inhuman situation our Navy is implementing on cetaceans.


Thank you for your assistance in this important matter.


Reed Behrens
Cetacean Ambassador Network

===
The Letter to the Editor for you to copy and email:



Letter to the Editor


Are the whales the next sacrifice on the altar of national security?

Recently the US Navy conducted underwater sonic explosions louder than 747
jet engines at takeoff (140 dcb+) in the Maui Marine Sanctuary and
birthing ground for the Humpback whales. The underwater sounds were heard
New Zealand to California.

No detectable behavior changes were recorded by Navy scientists, but
independent observers noted whales quickly abandoned the testing sight and
altered migration routes.

Perhaps coincidentally, in recent months more whales have swum ashore and
died worldwide than ever recorded, including some 40 dolphin strandings
off Florida --the Navy confers no causal link to massive searing of oceans
by periodic noise bombardment and whale beachings.

Sperm whales have brains six times larger than ours, commonly live 200+
years, have complicated social and 'ritual' behaviors.. Modern human
brains developed 100,000 years ago, whales had large brains 80,000,000
years ago. Objective planetary observers might contact whales first.

Are humans too blinded by greed (the resurging whaling industry) and
fear(US Navy)to notice intelligent life on Earth amongst the 83 species of
whales and dolphins gliding through the Earth's waters?


The media silence has been deafening regarding the Navy's insonification
of the whale's oceans.Please contact President Clinton. Stop the US Navy's
LFSSA sound experiments.

The next blast, Nov. 1999, a billion times louder than previous
detonations, will be the loudest sound ever made by humans aimed right
between the ears of every whale and dolphin on Earth.


Cetacean Ambassador Network Member
your name here__
Address___
Phone number___

The Cetacean Ambassador Network is ...  an evolving global network
catalyzing change in consciousness, education and political arenas on
behalf of the 83 species of whales and dolphins, for the awakening and
synchrony of the global mind.



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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

izzat kinda like referring to Professor Noam Chomsky as a "hack" ?!
 jeez

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 6:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin


 -Caveat Lector-

Pye's response strikes me rather pathetic in its resort to cheap character
assassination. The criticism of Sitchin's qualifications is valid. Pye
suggests that DasGOAT must be some sort of failed scholar? Well where's
Sitchin's Professorship? Has ever held an academic position in the areas of
archaeology, ancient history or related subject areas? No? Where's his
accreditation? Were any of his books peer reviewed?

Pye's meanspirited defence of Sitchin proves nothing but Pye's own habit of
"shooting from the lip".

BD.

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