Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[nessie]

This primitive, superstitious blather is as off topic here as was
abortion. It's an intentional diversion intended to distract us from our
study of the truth. Go away and stop trying to disrupt our research.

Besides, evolution is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Get
used to it.

Go peddle your religions on a religion list. This is not a religion list.
Religion is disruptive. It doesn't belong on this list. Go away; take your
superstitions with you. Leave us alone; we're trying to accomplish
something here. You're in the way.

There are two possible explanations for you prattling on about off topic
subjects, one after another. (1.) You're exceedingly rude, or (2.)
somebody pays you to disrupt conspiracy research.  Either way, we're
better off without you. Besides, there are plenty of places on the web
that exist specifically for  people like you and the flat earthers an the
rest of your ilk to feel at home in. Go there. Reinforce each other's
childish delusions to your hearts' content. Leave us grownups alone.

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[CTRL] ELIAN'S CASE - RENO SLAPPED DOWN

[Bill Kingsbury]

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000
 Subj: RENO SLAPPED DOWN

 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 April 19, 2000
 Contact: Kyle Key
 (202) 646-5172

 RENO SLAPPED DOWN

 11TH CIRCUIT RULES SHE VIOLATED "RULE OF LAW" IN ELIAN'S CASE

 Attorney General's Sanctimonious Conduct Yields Humiliating Rebuke

 (Washington, D.C.) In a decision today issued by the United
 States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, this
 respected tribunal found that Attorney General Janet Reno
 attempted to deny Elian Gonzalez his legal rights to apply for
 asylum in the United States. In a well-reasoned decision that
 took into account the rights of the six-year-old child from
 Cuba, the Court pointed out that not only is the statutory
 language clear that anyone, no matter what their age, can apply
 for asylum , but that the Immigration and Naturalization
 Service's own regulations confirm that a child has rights to
 request life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the U.S.

 "Attorney General Reno's arrogance in trying to deny the rights
 of Elian Gonzales, contrary to law, to live free in the United
 States, is unprecedented in American history. She has created
 the appearance of being a lackey not only for The Clinton-Gore
 White House, but the brutal Communist dictator, Fidel Castro.
 It is clear from a reading of the Eleventh Circuit's Decision
 that it found her actions despicable," stated Judicial Watch
 Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

 Judicial Watch has sued Reno over her refusal to obey its
 requests to produce documents concerning the Elian matter.
 See www.JudicialWatch.org.




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[CTRL] Vatican Cancer Cluster

[Bill Kingsbury]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000161213823310&rtmo=lQokbSSt&atm
o=&pg=/et/00/4/19/wvat19.html


 Cancer cluster blamed on powerful Vatican radio transmitters

 By Bruce Johnston in Rome

 Electronic Telegraph, Wednesday April 19, 2000

 RADIO transmitters operated by the Vatican are under official
 investigation over claims that electromagnetic pollution is
 causing cancer among local residents.

 Vatican Radio programmes are broadcast all over the world from a
 forest of antennae at Santa Maria di Galera, near Cesano, a
 northern suburb of Rome.  Residents have reported the complex to
 magistrates dozens of times and doctors who examined the cause
 of 7,500 deaths over six years in Cesano found the incidence of
 tumours was 30 per cent higher than the national average.

 A separate inquiry by the Lazio region found that electromagnetic
 energy in the area was almost three times the legal limit.
 Francesco Ferrante, the director general of Italy's Legambiente,
 or environmental league, said people living near the antennae had
 found their computers switched on by themselves, telephone
 conversations were "invaded" by radio transmissions and watching
 television was impossible.

 The Legambiente claimed that 60 per cent of deaths in the area in
 1996 were due to cancer.  Lucia Venturi, a scientific specialist
 with the organisation, called on the Italian state to intervene
 to protect the health of its citizens.

 Yesterday it was reported that official paperwork sent by the
 investigating magistrates to three Vatican representatives had
 been returned on the grounds that the antennae complex enjoyed
 extra-territorial status, leaving them immune from judicial
 sanctions.

 Lawyers acting for the Vatican, including Eugenio Pacelli, a
 nephew of Pope Pius XII, pointed out that, under the Lateran Pact
 those who exercise Vatican activities are not punishable under
 Italian law.  A 1951 accord also recognises the extra-
 territoriality of the complex.  The lawyers added that there was
 no legal precedent recognising any damaging effect to health of
 electromagnetic waves.

 However, a local councillor insisted: "The privilege of extra-
 territoriality is not valid.  The constitutional right to
 people's health has to be respected."

 Magistrates have now asked Italy's Foreign Ministry to intervene
 to prevent diplomatic deadlock over the case.





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[CTRL] Rag-Tag Riders

[Tara]

"Rag-Tag Riders" carry Bell's message
April 19, 2000 07:50 CST

http://www.cosmiverse.com/paranormal041901.html

Veteran radio host Art Bell may be going off the air April 26, but a
movement is afoot to keep the airwaves open to the kind of
controversial topics Bell has tackled in his quest for answers to the
unexplained over the years.

Earlier this week, Rob McConnell, of Newstalk 610 CKTB and Affinity
Radio Group, fired off a memo to leadership in the UFO reporting and
disclosure community saying that a new group of "Riders" has been
formed to maintain Bell's momentum. Bell announced in late March that
he was retiring from his nationwide Coast-to-Coast evening radio
program for personal and professional reasons.

Since Bell's surprise move, speculation has increased that there
might
be something more to the story. For his part, McConnell's not happy
with Bell's replacement, nor with the alleged censorship changes that
have occurred on Bell's website since his announcement in March.

"There are a group of long-time, very loyal, Art Bell fans that have
gotten together," said McConnell. "We call ourselves the RIDERS, as
in
Wanna Take a Ride, that Art has been using for a long time. We have
found that since the announcement€  '¥the message boards at
www.artbell.com have come under extreme scrutiny and censorship by
the webmaster. So we RIDERS have formed an online e-mail messaging
service and are communicating and posting messages there instead of on Art's
former website," McConnell said in a memo distributed via Skywatch
and other paranormal./UFO-related sites.

"We are concerned that what (Bell's successors) are doing is to
water-down and whitewash Coast to Coast, because we think Art shook
too many trees...that in mind, we are also afraid that many of you,
Art's long-time favorite guests, will not be able to get onto the
program with your reports - especially in a timely manner," said
McConnell.

"So, with that said, we RIDERS have an idea, and we'd like you all to
participate. You don't need to leave home, and if you're already
on-line, it won't cost you anything. We are all meeting next Saturday
afternoon, April 22, at 5:00 pm EDT/2:00 pm PDT at www.egroups.com.
This will be the AfterMidnight Group Chat Meeting. One of the things
we intend to discuss is the possibility of organizing and setting up
a webcast radio-type program, where you all will be invited to speak,"
he said. "Please know also, that we are not trying to subvert Coast
to Coast Premier network, or Art Bell. We are just trying to preserve
the timely flow of important information."

McConnell signed his message "the rag-tag group of After Midnight
Riders."

Staff Writer Sally Suddock

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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZE --NOPOST J2

[Kris Millegan]

Please J2, if you haven't been "fllowing the latest controversy" - tough-,
but there is really no reason "to poke at the animals in their cages"

"funny" comments but the provocation in headline is bad form MHO

Please, ALL, desist this uncivil silly divisve bs. Take it somewhere else.

I ain't got the time or paitence.

two day nopost.

Om
K

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[CTRL] Fwd: The LOOP : McCaffrey attempts to supress report

[Kris Millegan]

^^^\| ||\
| Opium EXPRESS   | ||','''|'''\___,
|  __ | ||__|'__|___||
['''(@)'(@)**|(@)(@)  *'(@)*

>From Seattle to Sydney 2000:
Of its kind :  The most powerful communications
group in existance

The "Oversight Olympiad"

86% of the all the heroin on the streets of Aus?

Editorial : If you call the New York Times and tell them
that you are concerned as to how General Barry
McCaffrey, while unable to oust Aus's local smack
dealers, the Burmese military junta, is waging a genuine
war upon drugs.. They will tell you that there are hundreds
(too many) of disgruntled people, all waging war on
McCaffrey. However, the following accusation is both
different from the usual, and may lay at the very heart of
all our concerns, if proven true.

What can one do against such Pentagoonian odds?

One can only suggest to those who need to get into the
Front Line with some extra rapido, consider this possibliity
of a war crime accusation against the workings of
the offices of the US Drug Czar, as extra motivation to
bring down the Games. If the General and his friends are
defiant, foolish  and corrupt enough to allow Rangoon to
send a team to the Opium Olympiad.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Americas/2000-04/warcrimes190400.shtml

The Independent (UK)


General attacks journalist over war crimes allegations


By Andrew Marshall in Washington


19 April 2000

A high-profile battle has broken out in Washington
between a retired general and a leading journalist
over allegations of war crimes by US forces in Iraq.

What is particularly unusual is that the allegations
have been made public by the man at the centre of
them, in what appears to be a pre-emptive strike.
Indeed, that is the only form in which the allegations
exist: no one else has publicly raised them.

General Barry McCaffrey, who runs the White House war
on drugs, has attacked journalist Seymour Martin Hersh
for making claims about war crimes in an article he is
preparing for The New Yorker magazine, even though Mr
Hersh has written nothing so far. The protagonists are
both highly experienced and respected in their fields.


General McCaffrey was the most highly decorated and
youngest four-star army general at retirement, with
two Distinguished Service Crosses and two Silver Stars
for his actions in Vietnam. He commanded 26,000
soldiers of the US Army 24th Infantry Division Combat
Team during Desert Storm, and was awarded the
Distinguished Service Medal for leading a massive
left-hook attack into Iraq. He now heads the Office of
National Drug Control Policy in the White House, and
is a very controversial figure.

Mr Hersh is one of the best-known investigative
reporters in the world. As a freelance in 1969, he
wrote the first account of the My Lai massacre in
Vietnam. He has worked for The New York Times and
written for The New Yorker, as well as publishing
books on Henry Kissinger, Gulf War Syndrome, and a
controversial book on John F Kennedy, The Dark Side of
Camelot.


_

Follow the plea by Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, and the
appreciations of HH the Dalai Lama, the Shan
Democratic Union,  film maker  John  Pilger, the Free
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Skinner, Tony Benn, Ann Clwyd, Maria Fyfe, Mike
Hancock,  Congress-woman  Maxine Waters,  Dr and
Welsh rugby star JPR Williams, Hendrix  bassist  Noel
Redding,  S African jazz pianist Abdullah Ibrahim,  All
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Supporting a Genuine war upon drugs and human rights abuse.
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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[tenebroust]

I believe there is sufficient evidence for Micro-evolution by the fossil record.  I 
even believe that some forms of Macro-evolution may occur under proper circumstances, 
but that there is little if any evidence from the fossil record for same.  Regardless 
of where you stand on this issue it must be acknowledged that the scientific 
establishment is hide bound and recalcitrant when it comes to opposing viewpoints 
which call into question their dogma, and evolution is perhaps the greatest dogma of 
all.  Even if all of evolution is indeed true in the sense that it happened pretty 
much like scientists surmise, all of the 
anti-evolutionists/Deists/Christians/Creationists, can still take heart because there 
is absolutely nothing which I am aware of in the scientific literature which explains 
the rise of life from non-life, and in fact it is accepted scientific fact (by the 
scientists themselves) that a-biogenisis cannot occur.  SO. . .that means they still 
can't explain where life came from even if they can tell how it came to be so diverse.


On Wed, 19 April 2000, David Sutherland wrote:

>
>  The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
>
> The size of this Conspiracy is enormous! Permeating all western thought from 
>religion, philosophy, ethics, science, astronomy, sociology, and so forth!
> Top-flight scientists have something to tell you about evolution. Such statements 
>will never be found in the popular magazines, alongside gorgeous paintings of ape-man 
>and Big Bangs and solemn pronouncements about millions of years for this rock and 
>that fish. Instead they are generally reserved only for professional books and 
>journals.
>
> Most scientists are working in very narrow fields; they do not see the overall 
>picture, and assume, even though their field does not prove evolution, that perhaps 
>other areas of science probably vindicate it. They are well-meaning men. The 
>biologists and geneticists know their facts, and research does not prove evolution, 
>but assume that geology does. The geologists know their field does not prove 
>evolution, but hope that the biologists and geneticists have proven it. Those who do 
>know the facts, fear to disclose them to the general public, lest they be fired. But 
>they do write articles in their own professional journals and books, condemning 
>evolutionary theory.
>
> Included below are a number of admissions by leading evolutionists of earlier 
>decades, such as *Charles Darwin, *Austin Clark, or *Fred Hoyle. The truth is that 
>evolutionists cannot make scientific facts fit the theory.
>
> An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist.
>
> “The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of 
>nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of 
>imagination.”—*Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist].
>
> “It is almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies composed of a single cell 
>represent the primitive animals from which all others derived. They are commonly 
>supposed to have preceded all other animal types in their appearance. There is not 
>the slightest basis for this assumption.”—*Austin Clark, The New Evolution (1930), 
>pp. 235-236.
>
> “The hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic matter is, at present, still 
>an article of faith.”—*J.W.N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (1933), p. 95.
>
> “Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a 
>granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of growth, 
>nothing of life.”—*W. Kaempffert, “The Greatest Mystery of All: The Secret of Life,” 
>New York Times.
>
> “ ‘The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and 
>manifestation of the inorganic world.’ “—Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in 
>H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve].
>
> “I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only 
>acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as 
>indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the 
>experimental evidence supports it.”—*H. Lipson, “A Physicist Looks at Evolution,” 
>Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.
>
> “I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific 
>and public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of Darwinism was accomplished 
>by a decline in scientific integrity.”—*W.R. Thompson, Introduction to *Charles 
>Darwin’s, Origin of the Species [Canadian scientist].
>
> “One of the determining forces of scientism was a fantastic accidental imagination 
>which could explain every irregularity in the solar system without explanation, leap 
>the gaps in the atomic series without evidence [a gap required by the Big Bang 
>theory], postulate the discovery of fossils which have never been discovered, and 
>prophesy the su

Re: [CTRL] Voodoo doctors practicing medicine w/o licence

[Tara]

My sister died of cancer at 34 because she was convinced by a woman named
Helga, who claims all kinds of cance healings with her crystal analyzing
crap and vitamin and homeopathic rememdies. She told my sister NOT to get
any conventional treatment. My sister is not the first woman, or man whom
she has been responsible for the death of. She even claims to have treated
my doctor's son for leukemia, and curing him. She tells all of her patients
the story, and about how the cancer center sends her their most hopless
cases.

I asked my doc if the story about his son was true and it was a bald faced
lie. Adam had never even met the quack! He was cured through conventional
therapy at 6 and is now still cancer free at almost 20. I belive in
non-convential treatment, but always with the support of an actual doctor.
Maybe my beautiful sister would still be alive if she'd never met this
terrible woman.

And in Canada their is no organization, including any level of policing or
physician's board that will even do anything. And she continues to see
'patients' at over 70 bucks a visit + all the crap she wants you to take
(usually billing out at 200-400$ a visit). It may not be a true conspiracy,
but there's something in the conspirational doctrine of the nwo here. Of
that I have no doubt.

By the way, my father in law, in his 90's, cures skin infections with a
plantain poultice and it works, but that's proven folk medicine, not b.s.,
empty your bank acoount, voodoo.

Tara

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Re: [CTRL] More on HTML and URLs was Re: [CTRL] PLEASE POST IN TEXT

[ThePiedPiper]

I do not know about your program
but in mine all that is sent is the url
It just allows you mail program to go to that
url.  Bandwidth is less, not more.
The reason that your browser can
have a problem is because you are not
connected to the internet so that your
e-mail program access the web page.

If you can tell me of a browser (easily)
do what you seem to want to require and
are willing to buy it for me - are you
attempting to get some of us to buy some kind
of easy cut and paste browser?  Or just trying to
cut down on the amount of research that this list
is currently capable of doing
ThePiedPiper



Tenorlove wrote:
>
> --- "Robert F. Tatman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> < the list. Copy and paste the text into a message, and post *that*.>>
>
> Let me also add that HTML takes up 4 times the bandwidth of the same
> amount of plain text.
> URL's I don't have a problem with because they take up less space than
> copy/paste the whole text. I don't surf while I'm reading my email. I
> write them down and type them into my browser window later, after I
> close all other applications. That way I don't lose data when the
> computer totally freezes up, like it does for some web sites. Best bet
> is still a good virus detection program, like Norton
> http://www.norton.com or McAfee http://www.mcafee.com installed on your
> machine. I have McAfee's VShield configured to run constantly,
> beginning at startup. On Windows systems, click Start, Programs, McAfee
> Virus Scan, VShield Configuration Manager. You'll know it's running
> when the red, white and blue shield-shaped icon appears on your taskbar
> next to the clock. And if you must download an attachment from an
> email, save it to a floppy, run your virus detection program over the
> floppy, THEN open the file. You can't be THE ONE who blows the whole
> conspiracy shebang out of the water, becoming the world's hero/heroine,
> if your computer is down with a virus.
>
> Tenorlove,
> who is still waiting for a re-post of the original message
>
> __
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Re: [CTRL] (TARA) HULDA CLARK - Cheap Cancer

[nexusmagazine]

>(TARA) HULDA CLARK - Cheap Cancer cure-all!
>
>>From what i remember of this old bird - she had this gadget she was flogging
>to death (excuzi moi the aussie lingo) - this device was a miraculous
>electronic cancer cure-all constructed from a few dollars worth of
>electronic bits from your local (Radio Shack?) electronics store, some
>wiring, and a couple of alligator clips, with short metallic pipes
>attached (and variations thereof).  Voila!!!
>
>Now, i'm all for alternative "health" and all that jive - but i'm not so
>certain i'm a keen supporter for alternative death - as yet!
>

The zappers as used by Hulda Clarke and others (Bob Beck) have a long
history of effectiveness.  Small electric currents run through the body
are shown by user testimonials to be extremely effective in clearing up
fungal, parasitic and other microorganisms that shouldn't really be in a
healthy human body.

Heck, there are a heap of farmers who have cured themselves of Ross River
virus simply by grabbing their electric fence for a minute or so.

As always, there will be johnny-come-latelys who merely try to cash in on
the popularity of zappers, but these zappers are only popular because
they work.

regards

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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[ThePiedPiper]

Arthur C. Clarke is half baked in the light of
todays knowledge.

But I guess they and their Communist ideas are right
they are genetically not able to evolve or learn.

No wonder Communist want to acquire and (try to)
capitalize on what the Jones have.  They are not
capable of seeing that they MIGHT be able to
earn something themselves so they have to take it
from someone else.

that if someone were telepathic that the brain
would atrophy and electric connections would not
be made to learn or think on it's own.
When asked if they want brains or telepathy
you can tell which one they chose. . .
But they can just use someone else's brain?
About as good as having a computer or a database
program, only as good as the queries that you format
or that someone else has left you.
Telepaths that can do original thinking?  Ha!!
They are not wired right,
they are not in their right brains or in their left brains
since their brains have left.

By the way evolution would be right since telepathic
brains would atrophy from not being used.
If you can lose something then I guess you should
be able to acquire it.  Evolve it if you think it is
needed?

De-Evolution of the Human Race.




Tara wrote:
>
> There is no proof of the existence of human evolution. I learned that in a
> study of archeology in university. I wouldn't even bother to respond to a
> half baked idiot who assumes the formatted position and claims the rest of
> us are mindless. Wow, you are so ignorant to everyone. Is it a psychiatic
> problem?
>
> Tara
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research
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> Subject: Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
>
> Gavin Phillips wrote:
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> > Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly
> discredited by several good books documenting the litany of missing chains
> (not links).
> >
> > It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to
> explain the genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they
> will desperately cling to it untill they can conjure up another theory which
> allows them to explain everything scientifically.
> >
> > Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or
> repeated in a laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin.
> ===
>
> This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen you write.
> I won't even bother to respond to such an absurdity,
> because to do so might lead some half baked idiot to
> think that there are two sides to this argument, when
> there is no argument at all.
>
> Whatever happened to your mind?
>
> Joshua2
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[CTRL] More on HTML and URLs was Re: [CTRL] PLEASE POST IN TEXT

[Tenorlove]

--- "Robert F. Tatman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Let me also add that HTML takes up 4 times the bandwidth of the same
amount of plain text.
URL's I don't have a problem with because they take up less space than
copy/paste the whole text. I don't surf while I'm reading my email. I
write them down and type them into my browser window later, after I
close all other applications. That way I don't lose data when the
computer totally freezes up, like it does for some web sites. Best bet
is still a good virus detection program, like Norton
http://www.norton.com or McAfee http://www.mcafee.com installed on your
machine. I have McAfee's VShield configured to run constantly,
beginning at startup. On Windows systems, click Start, Programs, McAfee
Virus Scan, VShield Configuration Manager. You'll know it's running
when the red, white and blue shield-shaped icon appears on your taskbar
next to the clock. And if you must download an attachment from an
email, save it to a floppy, run your virus detection program over the
floppy, THEN open the file. You can't be THE ONE who blows the whole
conspiracy shebang out of the water, becoming the world's hero/heroine,
if your computer is down with a virus.

Tenorlove,
who is still waiting for a re-post of the original message

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Re: [CTRL] PLEASE POST IN TEXT FORMAT ONLY! (WAS: Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!)

[ThePiedPiper]

As a research professional I like to have the citations
of what ever propaganda is being fed to me.  If it is
good I like being able to use those citations when
I write my own essays.  Normal an web page is easy to
read.  As far as it's capability of having a virus -
from now on I will put a dis-claimer on a post that it
is a web page and allow a person the choice of opening it.

My netscape will not allow me to paste the text from a
FRAME page on it in the original formatting.  I do not have
the time to re-do formatting.  This also comes into play in
another way since I have two lists that come in through
my Explorer browser and If I want to post those
First I have to send it to my mailbox that is tied to my
Netscape browser then I have to reformat to send it.
to give you some idea of what happens when I type a full line
000
this email program does not allow it, but it will send a web page in
original
I will preface it with a HTML tag in the subject line and attempt to
make sure that I never send anything like that one.
I could not read it either.
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[CTRL] Will Gun Control Lead to Civil War?

[The Extremist]

Will Gun Control Lead to Civil War?
by Michael E. Cook
http://www.sierratimes.com/edmc041900.htm

I have always said what I think and try not to offend too many
people. However, this week I am going to get right down to it, so if
you get offended easily then don't read on. This one will not help you
at all. I am talking about what will happen in the future if the
government tries to take away our rights and impose laws on We the
People that are not constitutional. I know that many out there fear this
very thing as I do. Freedom is a constant battle in this old world of
ours. I, like many of you went out and fought for freedom and our
way of life and have many times put it all on the line for that freedom.
I, like many of you will be willing and able to do it again.

Now we can get down to the point I am trying to make. Those that
would take our rights away from us are using the violence in our
schools and other places as a vehicle to take those rights. We have
already lost our property rights to the endangered species act and
other federal laws. Many of you are out of work and Coos County is
Depressed because of this. Our way of life and the quality of that life
has suffered in Coos County. The violence they tell us is beyond
control as long as you and I have the right to own firearms. We must
give up our most important right, which by the way, gives us the ability
to protect our other rights, to stop crime and violence in our streets.
This is what they try to push down our throat every day.

My questions to those who would take that right are: What is an
acceptable body-count for taking that right? How many Americans
are you willing to have killed on both sides of the issue to take that
right? What's the value of that right to you? I will tell you this right
now, if they try to take firearms from most of the gun owners I know,
including me, it will be another civil war here in America. The last one
had a high body count and this one will be even higher. The reason is
because everyone killed is American. There will be law enforcement
officers, military personnel, and civilians lost in this war. This is one
fight I am not looking forward to and I know it will destroy America.

The rules of engagement are lost on the civilians. We don't have jet
aircraft and smart bombs, so we will have to fight with whatever we
can until they kill us. We will fight and we will do the best we can,
however I know the outcome and I'm ready for that also. I'm at
peace with my God. The bottom line is we don't need to even have
this fight. If the traitors who are in our government and elsewhere
would stop their treason, or get arrested and punished for it, this
would not happen. You and I have let this happen by allowing our
media and our government to push this on Americans. We can no
longer allow that to happen if we want to avoid a war. That is the
bottom line.

When Sarah Brady at Handgun Control, Inc. can draw down a salary
of $277,891.00 a year for her treasonous acts against the Second
Amendment, without standing trial, and getting that kind of wage, we
will continue to be run over. HCI has an annual budget of $7,624,
306. They spend this and more each year to take your rights. The
president of the NRA doesn't get a salary. Does this tell you anything?

You can make life tuff for HCI. Write and ask for a copy of form
990, which they are required by law to provide. The address is:

Handgun Control, Inc. 1225 Eye Street, N.W., Room 1100
Washington, D.C. 20005.

They have to pay staff to copy and send you 13 pages of that report.
You need to include an addressed, stamped envelope. We could
make them so busy they won't have time to fight.

Keep your ear to the ground and your eyes open, and your powder
dry. It is coming and it won't be fun.

Michael E. Cook, Retired Sheriff - Coos County.

-end article-

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an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the
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at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to
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Re: [CTRL] FW: Allopathy exposed

[troy bond]

I agree with your comments, the web site sucked, but anybody who even remotely
thinks that a MD (drug dealer) is current and knowledgeable has a severed optic
nerve.
On the web, you really have to watch where these people are coming from and how
much they want to make. If you want a little bit of history on the medical mafia,
look no further than the Carnegie's and the Rockefeller's.  Homeopathy was wiped
out in the early 1900's because it presented formidable opposition to the money
hungry MD's and upcoming pharmaceuticals.
One person's sickness is another person's profit.  Without allopathic medicine
there would be much less profit.
Troy

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[CTRL] Activist alert: Email question to MSNBC before 7:00 PM PDT tonight!

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Subject:  Activist alert: Email question to MSNBC before 7:00 PM PDT 
tonight!
Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 1:17 PM

People,

Tonight at 10:00 PM to midnight, Eastern Daylight Time (7:00 PM to 9:00
PM  Pacific Daylight Time), MSNBC will be hosting a live TV Town Hall
meeting: "Up In Arms: What Should America Do?" featuring President
Clinton.

MSNBC is soliciting questions to be used for the program to be emailed
in beforehand. You can email in a question by filling out a form on the
MSNBC website at http://www.msnbc.com/news/392129.asp#mailbag .

The description of the show is as follows:

ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 12, at 10 p.m. ET / 7
p.m. PT, MSNBC Cable presents “Up in Arms: What
Should America Do?” — a two-hour long special town
meeting on gun violence in America. Broadcast live from the
University of Denver one year after the tragedy at
Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., this forum will
include President Bill Clinton, members of the National Rifle
Association and other top leaders battling over safety and
gun control.
  The first hour will be a detailed question-and-answer
session with the president. Have a question for him about
guns and gun control? Send it to us. We’ll select the best
and ask them.

I also suggest taping the show, if you have access to MSNBC.

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Mr. President,

Why is it that in your most recent press conference, and in other
discussions of firearms, you never mention that leading criminologists
tell us that 2.5 million times each year Americans successfully use a
firearm in defense of their lives and their families lives? If all we
knew about cars is that people die in them, wouldn't we all feel like
banning cars, too?

J. Neil Schulman, webmaster
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Control Not Gun Control
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[CTRL] Patriot's Day: On April 19th in History

[The Extremist]

On April 19th in History
http://www.sierratimes.com/arjp041900.htm

April 19, 2000

Patriots Day, April 19, 1775 -- Massachusetts, when an unordered
'shot heard around the world' began the American Revolution.

APRIL 19 1861 -- The US Civil War claims its first fatalities: four
Union soldiers were stoned to death by a Baltimore mob.

"The communal revolution started with the popular initiative of March
18, inaugurates one new era of experimental, positive, scientific
policy. It is the end of the old governmental and clerical world,
militarism, officialism, the exploitation, agiotage, the monopolies, of
the privileges, to which the proletariat owes its serfdom, the fatherland
its misfortunes and its disasters.(...) We, citizens of Paris, we have the
mission of achieving the modern revolution, broadest and most fertile
of all those which illuminated the history. We have the duty to fight
and overcome!"

---excerpt, "Declaration of the commune of Paris to the French
people, " of April 19, 1871."

Translation by AltaVista's Babelfish

APRIL 19 1919 -- Mutiny of the Sailors in the Black Sea (19 to 21
April). Several French warships around Sébastopol (brought in to aid
in stopping the advances of the Red Army) are subject to mutiny.
Begins with the sailors on the battleship "France," & spreads. A
delegation, made up partly of anarchist sailors, demands suspension
of the war against Russia, the return of the ships to France, & no
disciplining for their actions. In Sébastopol, French officers massacre
participants in a demonstration to prevent them from fraternizing with
the mutineers. Despite the promises of the officers, the mutineers
(such as Alphonse Sauveur Cannone; see 15 February) are
treacherously arrested & receive from 10 to 20 years of prison.

APRIL 19 1933 -- President Franklin D. Roosevelt takes the US off
the gold standard.

APRIL 19 1943 -- A contingent of 2,000 heavily armed Schutzstaffel
troops with tanks enter the Warsaw Poland: Ghetto . While the
civilian population hides in underground bunkers, the ghetto fighters
attack the Germans with incendiary bottles & a few guns. Shocked by
the Jewish resistance, the SS is forced to withdraw. Unable to put
down the revolt with conventional weapons, the Germans resort to
setting the ghetto on fire.

APRIL 19 1948 -- Costa Rica abolishes its army.

APRIL 19 1952 -- England: 35 Operation Gandhi supporters picket
Aldermaston AWRE, a spy base.

April 19,1960 -- Namibia Founding of Swapo

April 19,1960 -- After that, the Korean peninsula was divided at the
38th parallel. In the north, "Kim Il-sung" who was backed up by the
USSR and in the south "Syngman Rhee" who was supported by the
USA established each government respectively.

In South Korea, President Syngman Rhee ruled the nation with anti-
communism as a state policy. President Lee was ousted by an
uprising called "the April 19 Revolution".

April 19, 1961-- Failed Bay of Pigs disastrous invasion of Cuba-
freedom fighters betrayed by being promised air support, which was
not provided.

The declassified CIA documents show that the final invasion plan did
bar the U.S. pilots from joining in the bombing runs. But the exile
pilots, who had been attacking Cuban airports and other targets for
three days before the invasion collapsed on April 19, "were exhausted
and dispirited," according to the documents.

Initially, the CIA blamed the lack of air cover for the invasion's failure,
but the CIA inspector general's report blamed the CIA itself — its
arrogance, poor planning and "almost willful bungling."

APRIL 19 1971 -- US: Several hundred Vietnam Veterans Against
the War begin an encampment on Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C.
Launch "Operation Dewey Canyon III (April 19-23).

APRIL 19 1971 -- Sierra Leone Proclamation of the Republic

APRIL 19 1978 -- California Governor Jerry Brown refuses a
request to extradite American Indian Movement (AIM) leader Dennis
Banks to South Dakota to stand trial.

04/19/1980 --Colombia Founding of M-19 The "April 19 Movement
(M-19)," a leftist guerrilla group.

APRIL 19 1989 -- Forty seven U.S. sailors were killed by an
explosion in a gun turret on the USS Iowa during gunnery exercises in
the waters off Puerto Rico..Turret explosion is initially blamed on
alleged suicide pact between gay sailors, as conjectured by Naval
Investigative Service & as leaked to NBC News.

April 19, 1992 -- Protestors rally in the annual Easter Protest at the
site of nuclear weapons testing, and nearly 500 are arrested.

April 19, 1992 first attempted raid on the Weaver Family

April 19, 1993 - Federal agents attack Branch Davidian compound
near Waco, Texas, shooting or incinerating over 80 women, men, &
children.

Branch Davidian compound burned to the ground with 86 persons
inside, including 17 children.

April 19th 1994 -- Henry Kissenger, World Affairs Council Press
Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , "[The New World
Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most
signi

[CTRL] Patriot's Day: Tribute to Lexington and Concord

[The Extremist]

Happy Patriot's Day!
-

April 18, 2000

by Chuck Baldwin

Tomorrow is Patriot's Day here in the United States. It is the day
when the shot was fired that was heard round the world. It was the
day those colonists drew their line in the sand at Lexington Green and
Concord Bridge and America's War for Independence began. It's
not likely very many will notice, however.

Public schools haven't taught American history for some time now.
The media will focus on Waco (sparingly) and the Oklahoma City
bombing. (Before these disastrous events, April 19 came and went
without even so much as a mention from the propaganda press.)

What most Americans have forgotten (or never learned) is that it was
the attempt by the Crown to confiscate their arms that caused those
Minutemen to shoulder muskets. Until then, the conflict had been
largely peaceful and nonviolent. Independence was debated, even
argued, but until King George sent troops to confiscate the
Americans' firearms, it was an urbane disagreement. Attempted gun
confiscation turned a political debate into a bloody Revolutionary
War.

It's funny how history tends to recycle itself. Listening to America's
political leaders today (Democrats and Republicans), you would think
you were living in 1775. In fact, the government of today has invented
tyrannically invasive schemes that make old King George look rather
tame by comparison.

I submit that whatever red-blooded American patriots are left today
would have no choice but to respond in a similar way when the
modern day Machiavellian attempts a repeat at crossing the Concord
Bridge. In the mean time, here is Emerson's tribute to those brave
colonists who fought and died to procure a land of liberty for their
posterity. Believe it or not, there was a time when this poem was
actually found in the history books of America's schools. (It was in
another dispensation.)

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April's breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood
And fired the shot heard round the world.

The foe long since in silence slept;
Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;
And Time the ruined bridge has swept
Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.

On this green bank, by this soft stream,
We set today a votive stone;
That memory may their deed redeem,
When, like our sires, our sons are gone.

Spirit, that made those heroes dare
To die, and leave their children free,
Bid Time and Nature gently spare
The shaft we raise to them and thee.
-end article-
-
Waco: April 19th, 1993
NEVER AGAIN!!!
-
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto:  "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[Tara]

There is no proof of the existence of human evolution. I learned that in a
study of archeology in university. I wouldn't even bother to respond to a
half baked idiot who assumes the formatted position and claims the rest of
us are mindless. Wow, you are so ignorant to everyone. Is it a psychiatic
problem?

Tara

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Gavin Phillips wrote:
>
> Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly
discredited by several good books documenting the litany of missing chains
(not links).
>
> It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to
explain the genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they
will desperately cling to it untill they can conjure up another theory which
allows them to explain everything scientifically.
>
> Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or
repeated in a laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin.
===


This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen you write.
I won't even bother to respond to such an absurdity,
because to do so might lead some half baked idiot to
think that there are two sides to this argument, when
there is no argument at all.

Whatever happened to your mind?

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[Nurev Ind Research]

Gavin Phillips wrote:
>
> Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly discredited by 
>several good books documenting the litany of missing chains (not links).
>
> It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to explain 
>the genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they will desperately 
>cling to it untill they can conjure up another theory which allows them to explain 
>everything scientifically.
>
> Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or repeated in 
>a laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin.
===


This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen you write.
I won't even bother to respond to such an absurdity,
because to do so might lead some half baked idiot to
think that there are two sides to this argument, when
there is no argument at all.

Whatever happened to your mind?

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] "Christianity is not worth SHIT" (fwd)

[Nurev Ind Research]

Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:
>
> > HOLY SHIT POLEY !!! WHO THE HELL INVITED YOU TO BE AN ELDER OF ZION?
> >
> > My Great Uncle Hymie ( for whom NYC is named after, ) is head of the
> > Learned Elders of Zion, and went ape shit upon hearing of your conversion.
> > He delicately queried " Does that no good Khazar bastard retard think he
> > can just decide to become a LEZ?" " May all his teeth fall out but one, and
> > that one should always ache!"
> >
> > So forget it Poley. You don't have the right stuff.
> >
> > Joshua2
> > For Uncle Hymie.
>
> Now how does this Uncle Hymie compare to my great great great grandpa
> Shlomo Poley who WROTE the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,
> founded Kazar U. and invented the bagel?
> FWP.

He's taller, handsomer, and has a Python shlong.

Poley! If you were really an LEZ then you would know better than to
discuss bagels in a public forum. You know that it is forbidden to divulge
how the hole is made in a bagel. If the Goyim ever found out they would stop
buying them, and then we would lose our funding for taking over the world.

I leave you with the warning that Zeus gave Narcissus -
" You better watch yourself!"

Joshua2

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[CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[Gavin Phillips]

Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly discredited by 
several good books documenting the litany of missing chains (not links).

It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to explain the 
genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they will desperately cling to 
it untill they can conjure up another theory which allows them to explain everything 
scientifically.

Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or repeated in a 
laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin.

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[CTRL] Chip Implant Offer Taken Very Seriously

[The Extremist]

Gotcha! Chip Implant Offer Taken Very
Seriously
http://www.privacytimes.com/

It was a deal that sounded too bad to be true.  But to some folks it
sounded good enough to sign up.  The company would pay you
$250, and all you had to do was have one of their computer chips
installed in your hand so it could track how you used your computer
mouse.

Within a few days, not only did 100 people sign up for chip implant,
but the site was scoured by unknown officials from America's leading
corporations and military components.

Shocked at the response, "proprietor Bill Cross" decided September
21 to pull the plug on his web site, www.idchip.com, and announce it
was all a hoax.  He described it as the Internet's version of "The War
of The Worlds," the realistic Orson Wells radio show that convinced
some listeners that the Martians were invading, even prompting a few
to jump out windows.

It appeared nobody jumped out of windows after visiting idchip.com,
but some Christian fundamentalists certainly hit the roof.  "Are you
people completely stupid, mindless, or just simply evil?" asked one
angry e-mail. "Taking a chip, as an implant, is called "taking the Mark
Of The Beast". Period. It is taking Satan's mark, of ownership. Which
obviously you have already done. Enjoy your time in Hell, eternity."

But some people were ready to jump in.  Cross estimated that among
the 125 people who volunteered to have the chip implanted, between
40 and 75 were serious.  He said this caught him off guard, and
persuaded him to remove the fields from the application form in which
people volunteered sensitive data, like their credit card numbers.
(Cross said that he destroyed all personal data provided by these
"applicants."

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the "experiment" was the
attention paid to it by the "military industrial complex."  The most
active visitors to the Web site included unknown persons from
Microsoft, IBM, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Air Force,
Navy, NASA, Intellimark and American International Group (AIG).
Intellimark is a high-tech "applications" company that works with the
military and also is involved in the electronic patient record.  AIG is a
"world leader in insurance and financial services."

Cross listed these organizations as the most active visitors because
they spent the most time at the Web site, and visited every page.  For
instance, 83 visitors came from the IBM Internet connection, resulting
in 737 "page views," lasting almost 5 and1/2 hours.  There were 18
visitors from ibm.com, resulting in 283 "page views," lasting nearly 1
and 1/2 hours; 12 visitors from Microsoft.com, 319 "page views,"
lasting nearly 2 hours.  The Air Force: 17 visits, 247 "page views," 2
hours.  The Navy: 15 visits, 193 page views, one hour.  NASA: 24
visits, 193 page views, 1 and 1/2 hours.  Boeing: 14 visits, 192 page
views, under 1 hour.

The site received some 6,800 visitors in 48 hours.  Cross said he
couldn't always distinguish between serious and humorous visitors.
He said hoax was merely part of a project to create a comedy Web
site.

"If this project had been done not as a spoof but rather as a genuine
hoax by someone less benign than myself, I am thoroughly convinced
that it would have led to a cataclysmic event," he wrote.
--
Revelation 13:15-18
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the
image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as
would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and
bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the
name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of
the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred
threescore and six.
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Magic = technology we don't understand

[Robert F. Tatman]

For a well-written summary of the "laws" of magic, see P.E.I. Bonewits,
*Real Magic* (1978). See also Arthur C. Clarke's story "Superiority"
(anthologized in numerous collections), which includes his famous statement
that "sufficiently advanced technology is indistiguishable from magic."

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> According to Bernard d'Espagnat ("The Quantum Theory and Reality",
Scientific American, Nov.'79,) the
> implication of Aspect's (and others)
> experiments refuting Bell's Theorem and vindicating the Copenhagen
> interpretation of quantum mechanics is that AT LEAST ONE of the
> following basic assumptions about "Reality" and the scientific method
> is wrong:
>
> 1.  REALISM - the doctrine that regularities in observed phenomena are
caused by some physical reality whose
> existence is INDEPENDENT of
> human OBSERVERS;
>
> 2.  INDUCTIVE INFERENCE is a valid means of reasoning and can be applied
> freely, so that legitimate conclusions can be drawn from consistent
> observations;
>
> 3.  EINSTEIN SEPARABILITY (LOCALITY) - no influence of any kind can
> travel faster than the speed of light.
>
>
>

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[CTRL] Russia: Goldman Environmental Prize to Russian NGOs

[DIG alfred webre]

GOLDMAN PRIZE GOES TO 2 SEU MEMBERS
 The Goldman Environmental Prize is the world's largest prize
program honoring grassroots environmentalists. Founded in 1990 by
Richard and Rhoda Goldman, the Prize awards $125,000 annually to six
environmental heroes from each of the inhabited continental regions.
Nominated by a network of internationally known environmental
organizations and a confidential panel of environmental experts,
recipients are chosen for their sustained and important environmental
achievements.
 This year Goldman prize was awarded to the 6 grassroots activists
- and 2 of them are SEU members. Alltogether, SEU boasts 5 Goldman
Prize winners - Sviatoslav Zabelin (1993), SEU founder, Alexander
Nikitin (1997) - environmentalist from Bellona Foundation, reveling
the truth about radioactive contamination of the North-West of Russia,
Paul Cox (1997) - Chairman of the Seacology, the world's premiere
nonprofit, nongovernmental organization whose sole and unique purpose
is to preserve the environments and cultures of islands throughout the
globe.

 Introducing 2000 year winners:
 taken from Goldman foundation press-release

   A S I A
 Oral Ataniyazova, Uzbekistan

 Over the past several decades, the Aral Sea - one of the world's
largest freshwater inland seas has shrunk to almost half its size
primarily due to water diversion for cotton production. The result has
been a devastating ecological nightmare that has negatively affected
the health and livelihood of some three million inhabitants in the
region. An obstetrician, Oral Ataniyazova has addressed the high rate
of birth related problems in the ethnically distinct Republic of
Karakalpakastan. She has been raising awareness of the environmental
and health impacts of the Aral Sea crisis and improving the lives of
local people, especially the women and children.
 Early in the Soviet era, the entire region along the Amu-Darya
River (which includes Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan) was
designated for cotton production and the river was dammed to divert
water for irrigation. The heavy use of pesticides and defoliants
needed for this monoculture crop, as well as heavy metals from mining
operations, and discharge from chemical and biological weapons
factories have severely polluted the region. Today, the groundwater in
the region surrounding the sea is no longer suitable for drinking and
each year tons of salt from the dry seabed blow onto nearby fields,
resulting in the loss of thousands of acres of farmland. Women and
children are among those most affected by the Aral Sea crisis.
 In 1992 Oral Ataniyazova - who also holds a doctorate in medical
science - established Perzent, the Karakalpak Center for Reproductive
Health and Environment, in order to help the women and children of
Karakalpakstan. Due to the severity of the pollution in the area, it
is believed that its entire population has been exposed to dangerous
chemicals over extended periods of time. Public health in the region
has deteriorated with the worsening ecological situation. Over the
past 15 years, there has been an increase in the rates of anemia,
kidney and liver diseases, allergies, tuberculosis, birth defects and
reproductive pathologies.
 In addition to scientific research, family planning and medical
assistance, Perzent offers a wide range of educational and community
programs that focus on raising public awareness about the region's
environmental and health problems. Most of Ataniyazova's activities
concentrate on women and how they can improve their lives, including
family health and the quality of food and water. Perzent trains local
groups in areas such as health and hygiene, sustainable agriculture,
as well as women's and children's rights. With branches in several
rural districts, Perzent has created a 50-acre organic farm, a women's
clinic and a publishing house. To fully involve the local people,
Perzent actively solicits ideas from communities for practical
solutions to the region's problems. More than 10,000 people have been
involved in the organization's activities.
 Ataniyazova has worked on these issues at the national, regional
and international levels. As an expert in reproductive health, she has
been a key spokesperson addressing various international agencies,
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 Vera Mischenko has been a pioneer in supporting citizen's rights
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[CTRL] EcoNews:Russian Torture Practices in Chechnya

[DIG alfred webre]

NEAR GROZNY, Russia, April 14 (AFP) -

Russia is torturing detainees at secret "filtration" camps across
Chechnya despite an international outcry over abuses at the notorious
Chernokozovo prison, witnesses say.

Ex-inmates interviewed by AFP in Chechnya and neighbouring Ingushetia
confirmed the existence of detention centres such as PAP-5 in Grozny
and one housed in a former school in the southwestern town of
Urus-Martan.

Ruslan, 21, spent nearly two months until March 30 in a dark
underground cell in PAP-5 in the depths of a former bus maintenance
depot, where he said guards meted out brutal beatings, torture and
even committed murder.

The Russian military denied the site existed when UN High
Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson pressed to see it and
neighbouring PAP-1 on a visit to the war-ravaged Chechen capital a
fortnight ago.

"The guards would come in and say 'it's time for massage'," said
Ruslan, interviewed in his home village near the northwestern
outskirts of Grozny where Russian troops arrested him on February
5th.

Placed on a stool, his hands tied behind his back, two or three
masked soldiers would beat Ruslan with rubber truncheons and rifle
butts for half an hour at a time, swinging blows at his legs, arms
and back.

"I lost consciousness many times," the young man mumbled hesitantly
with a pained look on his face, before burying his head in his hands.

On international women's day on March 8th, the guards got drunk and
decidedto experiment on the prisoners, Ruslan said.

Pulling up his trousers to show a deep scar in his left leg
stretching up from the ankle nearly to the thigh, he explained: "They
stuck a knife in me and then slowly, very slowly cut upwards into my
leg.

"You are a boyevik (a Chechen guerrilla fighter), we know you are,"
the soldier wielding the knife taunted Ruslan.

But he was far luckier than others among the nine men squeezed into
his tiny cell.

Four were killed, including a 23-year-old from his village, Ruslan
said: "I heard the shots when they finished them off after beating
them nearly to death" in the nearby interrogation room.

Deaths under detention also occurred in the former school in
Urus-Martan, according to 30-year-old Alikhan Shakiyev, who was kept
there for four days from February 29.

One fellow-inmate, Aslanbek, 20, was dying when the guards dumped him
back in their cell, but was refused permission to see a doctor.

His wrists, hands, and fingers broken, he lay rasping as he tried to
breathe, blood oozing out of his mouth. One hour later the soldiers
took him out of the cell, and relatives then found his body abandoned
on the street.

The beatings and torture by elite interior ministry OMON troops took
place in a windowless room, bare except for a table and chair, with a
light bulb dangling from the ceiling. Seven metres (21 feet) away,
Shakiyev and the others in his cell could hear cries of pain all day
long.

Many had nails torn out and on the back of one 18-year-old man,
Aslan, the guards burnt a drawing into his skin with lighted
cigarettes, according to Shakiyev.

"It wasn't a filtration camp. It was a concentration camp," he said,
interviewed in the Ingush border town of Sleptovskaya where he has
taken refuge.

Fear permeates the survivors, who said they had been threatened with
severe reprisals if they spoke about their experiences.

Just before a delegation from the Council of Europe led by Lord Frank
Judd visited Chernokozovo in northwest Chechnya on March 12, Ruslan
and others in PAP-5 were threatened by guards nervous the Western
observers might turn up.

"They warned us, 'If you speak to the foreigners don't tell them you
were beaten. If you do, we'll kill you, they'll go away in any case
and then we'll deal with you'," he said.

Apart from the fear of talking, information is also scant because
very few recent inmates of detention centres have managed to flee to
Ingushetia since the Russian military do not return their passports.

But Russian human rights organisation Memorial estimates there are
already nearly 15 'filtration' camps holding several thousand people
in Chechnya, not counting police cells and underground pits at many
military checkpoints.

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[CTRL] Domestic Surveillance and Mind Control Technology?

[DIG alfred webre]

http://www.west.net/~eotl/political/weapons/nsa.html
The End of The Line

Domestic Surveillance and
Mind Control Technology?




(The following are the first six pages of evidence in a lawsuit filed by a
citizen against the National Security Agency (NSA) in 1992 alleging
harassment and seeking relief for same. This lawsuit was filed in the U.S.
Courthouse in Washington, D.C. but later withdrawn. The bringer of this
original suite reported he has brought a subsequent civil suit against some
or all of the original Defendants. The text has been reformatted for easier
reading but remains completely unabridged.)



Evidence for the Lawsuit filed at the U.S. courthouse in Washington, D.C.

(Civil Action xx-)

Xxx Xxxx vs NSA, Ft. George G. Meade, Maryland.

My knowledge of the National Security Agency's structure, national security
activities, proprietary technologies and covert operations to monitor
individual citizens.

The NSA's mission and the NSA's domestic intelligence operation
Communications Intelligence (COMINT)

Blanket coverage of all electronic communications in the U.S. and the world
to ensure national security. The NSA at Ft. Meade, Maryland has had the most
advanced computers in the world since the early 1960's. NSA technology is
developed and implemented in part from private corporations, academia, and
the general public.

Signals Intelligence (SIGINT)

The Signals Intelligence mission of the NSA has evolved into a program of
decoding EMF waves in the environment for wirelessly tapping into computers
and tracking persons with the electrical currents in their bodies. Signals
intelligence is based on the fact that everything in the environment with an
electric current in it has a magnetic field around it which gives off EMF
waves. The NSA/DOD has developed proprietary advanced digital equipment
which can remotely analyze all object whether (tran-maze?) or organic that
have electrical activity.

Domestic Intelligence (DOMINT)

The NSA has records on all U.S. citizens. The NSA gathers information on
U.S. citizens who might be of interest to any of the over 50,000 NSA agents
(HUMINT). These agents are authorized by executive order to spy on anyone.
The NSA has a permanent National Security Anti-Terrorist surveillance
network in place. This surveillance network is completely disguised and
hidden from the public.

Tracking individuals in the U.S. is easy and can effectively implemented
with the NSA's electronic surveillance network. This network (DOMINT) covers
the entire U.S. and involves thousands of NSA personnel, and tracks millions
of persons simultaneously. Cost-effective implementation of operations is
achieved by NSA computer technology designed to minimize operations costs.

NSA personnel serve in quasi-public positions in their communities and run
cover business and legitimate businesses that can inform the intelligence
community of persons they would want to track. NSA personnel in the
community usually have cover identities such as social workers, lawyers, and
business owners.

Individual citizens occasionally targeted for surveillance by independently
operating NSA personnel

NSA personnel can control the lives of hundreds of thousands of individuals
in the U.S. by using the NSA's domestic intelligence network and cover
businesses. The operations independently run by them can sometimes go beyond
the bounds of law. Long-term control and sabotage of tens of thousands of
unwilling citizens by NSA operatives is likely to happen. NSA DOMINT has the
ability to covertly assassinate U.S. citizens or run covert psychological
control operations to cause subjects to be diagnosed with ill mental health.

NSA's domestic electronic surveillance network
As of the early 1960's the most advanced computers in the world were at the
NSA, Ft. Meade. Research breakthroughs with these computers were kept for
the NSA. At the present time the NSA has advanced technology computers that
are 15 years ahead of present computer technology.

The NSA obtains blanket coverage of information in the U.S. by using
advanced computers that use artificial intelligence to screen all
communications, regardless of medium, for key words that should be brought
to the attention of NSA agents/cryptologists. These computers monitor all
communications at the transmitting and receiving ends. This blanket coverage
of the U.S. is a result of the NSA's Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) mission.

The NSA's electronic surveillance network is based on a cellular arrangement
of devices that can monitor the entire EMF spectrum. This equipment was
developed, implemented and kept secret in the same manner as other
electronic warfare programs.

Signals Intelligence Remote Computer Tampering
The NSA keeps track of all PCs and other computers sold in the U.S. This is
an integral part of the Do

[CTRL] Mind Control Rally: Sacramento, CA-Sunday July 23, 2000

[DIG alfred webre]

NEXT SACRAMENTO RALLY:
Date alteration by officialdom: Saturday 22/7/2000 to
*SUNDAY, 23rd July, 2000.*

Australia:

There are victims of neuro-electromagentic/psychotronic technology all
around the world, including Australia.  The Internet has made it possible
for victims who are connected to it to network for mutual encouragement and
to share information. This is not a true indication of the numbers of
victims, alive or dead! There would be many more.

In the Western or Third World USA is the major perpetrator, with or without
local national compliance, accessory or accomplice. The Soviet Union/Russia
is also in this murderous practise, within and without its borders.

Last year the European Parliament passed resolutions calling for a world
convention to ban these weapons for human manipulation.
'Resolution on the Environment, Security and Foreign Policy.
A4-0005/99. January 28th, 1999. EPl159' See full text in book: Page 10,
EARTH RISING, THE REVOLUTION; TOWARD A THOUSAND YEARS OF PEACE by Dr. Nick
Begich, James Roderick, Earth Pulse Press Inc. 
or website: 

*Victims have the covert equivalent of mandatory sentences, torture under
house arrest, with no right of appeal.

*The use of these technologies for socio-political or other purposes makes
nonsense of a justice system.

*Interviews or correspondence with politicians, within or without
Government have been of no assistance or avail whatsoever.

*Victims do not have access to space-age devices of detection or measure
which only a national defence force or a university is likely to have, if
at all.

*In effect, we are disenfranchised!

*We need help!

Betty Daly-King
8 Bursaria Crescent
Ferndale W.A. 6148
Tel. No. (08) 9458 3943
E-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

.
"Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight." - Bob Marley Announcing a new
rally!

On the April 8 demonstartion we had 75 people and ABC News took footage.
Thanks to Rod Orr, Bill MacIntosh, Mary Ann Statton,
John and Judy Reiman and Steve Naghdi for speaking and all others who
attended. We are going to build on this success and make human
experimentation an issue. The new rally will be on Saturday, July 22, 2000
on the West Steps of California State Capitol. We will improve our
attendance from the media and the public. All help is welcome.
If you want to speak contact Tim by email or (916) 684-3821.

Stop Human Experimentation!

The Past:

*The CIA drugged and tortured men, women, and children over long periods of
time under the name MK-ULTRA and Behavior Modification in the 1950's, 60's
and 70's. There were Congressional hearings about these experiments from
1975-77. One lawsuit was successful. In Orlikow vs. United States they were
found to have drugged and tortured 9 Canadian victims.

*The U.S. military conducted a series of radiation experiments on its own
soldiers. There were a number of casualties. The U.S. Government denied the
experiments for about 25 years until they were "declassified". The families
of the victims are still trying to gain
reparations. However, the government is claiming immunity from their
lawsuits.

*The U.S. military conducted bacteria and chemical weapons xperiments on
its own citizens. They dropped bacteria over the San Fransisco area and
subjected children at Clinton Elementary School in Minnesota to dangerous
chemicals. There were a number of casualties. About 25 years later, the
government admitted the experiments, but claims
immunity from the lawsuits of the victims.

*The CIA conducted LSD experiments on U.S. citizens. There were a number of
casualties. About 25 years later, the U.S. Government admitted or
"declassified" the experiments. However, the government still claims
immunity from the lawsuits of the victims.

The present:

At least 300 survivors in the United States claim to be present or past
victims of Electromagnetic Weapons experiments. These weapons are also
called Neuro-EM weapons, Radio Frequency weapons or Mind Control devices.
The victims are subject to constant torture, and are often dehabilitated.
The victims are isolated with survaillance from satellites and
through-the-wall radar. Also, the victims are financially crippled and
subject to terrorist break ins and harassment. Former military personnel,
ex-government employees, and U.S. civilians are still being tortured to
this day.

*Please help stop human experimentation and gain reparations for past
victims and the families of the deceased. These atrocities are the result
of an unchecked bureaucracy: the military and the federal agencies. They
need to be held accountable to the laws of this
democracy.

Rally!
Help end 50 years of human experimentation by the U.S. government.
Corruption in the LAPD is bad, in the federal government it's much worse.

The CIA tortured children. They still do. Why is there another department
called the NSA watching 

[CTRL] PLEASE POST IN TEXT FORMAT ONLY! (WAS: Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!)

[Robert F. Tatman]

Let me extend this request to ALL members of CTRL. PLEASE, people, post ONLY
in *text format*. Sure, I use Outlook Express and can read HTML messages
fine...much better, obviously, than Tenorlove and the others who use
Web-based mail such as Yahoo! and Hotmail. But as an IT professional, I also
know that HTML messages can carry viruses, especially if you use Outlook 9x
or 2000 and have enabled Word as your e-mail editor. There are also
Javascript and VBScript "viruses" that can travel directly in HTML, as well
as nasty Java applets that might as well be viruses. It's not simply a
matter of politeness, although that *is* a factor in my request. It's really
a matter of information hygiene--keeping your e-mail free of anything that
can, even potentially, harm someone else's system.

Please try to follow these two basic rules:
1. Always use text format. Not everyone has a mail program that can handle
HTML or fancy formatting.
2. Don't use attachments or URLs when you want to share something with the
list. Copy and paste the text into a message, and post *that*. (AOL users,
could you please try to keep that in mind? I know AOL doesn't make it easy,
but it really would help if you could *paste* text into your messages
instead of just forwarding it as an attachment.)

Thanks for helping

Bob

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> Could the person who posted this please re-post in PLAIN TEXT? It's
> impossible to read in HTML, the type is way too small and fuzzy. Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Tenorlove
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[CTRL] "blood of the lamb" saves Elian

[Bard]

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/4/19/151759
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they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which loves to feast on your gross 
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Wednesday April 19, 2000 4:01 PM EST
Passover Saves Elian -- A Story of Biblical Proportions

NewsMax.com pundit and radio host Barry Farber just called to congratulate us on the news that the court ruled in Elian's favor. 
Barry — a believing Jew — reminded us that Elian was saved by "Passover."
Tonight, of course, begins the Jewish holiday of Passover, when the first sons of all Jewish families were saved because they had put the "blood of the lamb" on their doorposts. 
The first sons of Egypt, who did not listen to Moses, died that night. 
So, Elian, also a first son, has been saved — in this case from "the Old Lady." 
No doubt Reno was planning a Waco style assault to bring the boy to Pharoah Castro and to the death of his freedom. 
KSFO's Mike Savage has noted the religious symbolism of the story as well, recently telling his audience this is one of "Biblical proportions."
Elian was saved, like Moses, from the sea. 
For Jonah it was a whale, but Elian was saved from the sharks because dolphins and swordfish surrounded his rubber life saver,according to the boy's account and the fishermen who saved him.
Savage notes he was also rescued on Thanksgiving Day. 
And of course, "Elian" in Hebrew means "Carrier of God."









Inside Cover Stories
Passover Saves Elian -- A Story of Biblical Proportions
 ABC News Shrink Warned Elian's Return Would Be 'Second Death'
 Shrink Who Said Elian Should Go Has Ties to Hillary
 Clinton, Elian and the Rule of Law
  Easter "Festivities" in San Francisco
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Re: [CTRL] [Anti-Feminism] Mother & Baby

[Bard]

What's it gonna take for the public to wise up to not only worldwide thugs deprivation 
of our Freedoms, but their insidious demands that we
pay more, and more, and more taxes so they can experiment with their morally bankrupt 
social programs;  the female has to work if the Family
wishes to maintain its standard of living which is slowly, and most assuredly, be 
eroded with the result being worldwide economic and social
chaos.

I didn't cast my vote for these socialist bastards and bitches!
Did you?

Bard

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>  STUDY FINDS MOTHERS PREFER TO BE HOME WITH KIDS
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>  LONDON, Apr 5 (LSN.ca) - A survey by Mother & Baby Magazine
>  and Bupa questioned 2000 mothers and pregnant women (average
>  age 30) and found that 81 per cent would stay at home and
>  look after their children if they could afford it. 84 per
>  cent, considered "a mother and a father" ideal for bringing
>  up a child, 90 per cent said motherhood had made them
>  happier and 99 per cent felt a sense of pride and
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> Your high school sweetheart-where is he now?  With 4.4 million alumni
> already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll
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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[Tenorlove]

Could the person who posted this please re-post in PLAIN TEXT? It's
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Re: [CTRL] SNET: Guns (fwd)

[Bob Stokes]

In a message dated 00-04-19 15:56:19 EDT, you write:

<< * Guns are not the problem. On the contrary, lax criminal penalties and
 laws that disarm the law-abiding
 are responsible for giving criminals a safer working environment.>>

We can thank the present administration for not vigorously enforcing existing
laws.  We can also thank the Courts-Lawyer-System for making deals with
criminals and having them plead guilty to a much lesser crime than they
committed.  Criminals have no respect for laws or anything else and the
biggest criminals are not even prosecuted at all - government/corporations.

<< * Los Angeles riots -- USA Today reported that many of the people
 rushing to gun stores during
 the 1992 riots were "lifelong gun-control advocates, running to buy an
 item they thought they'd never
 need." Ironically, they were outraged to discover they had to wait 15
 days to buy a gun for self-defense.>>

I wonder if this changed their minds?  How many of these people were killed,
wounded, or terrorized because they were not armed?

 <<* Press reports show that the few criminals who get their guns from
 retail outlets can easily get fake
 IDs or use surrogate buyers, known as "straw purchasers," to buy their
 guns.>>

On a bright note - guns shows occasionally catch criminals.  In a Colorado
Springs gun show a few weeks ago a murderer who had escaped from Arizona was
buying a handgun from a dealer and filled out the application using his own
name.  He waited over an hour while the ATF came from Denver and arrested
him.  Surely a nomination for world's dumbest criminal.

 <<* Federal Bureau of Investigation registers gun owners (1998). Despite
 prohibitions in federal law, the FBI announced that it would begin
 keeping gun buyer's names for six
 months. FBI had originally wanted to keep the names for 18 months, but
 reduced the time period after
 groups like Gun Owners of America strongly challenged the legality of
 their actions. GOA submitted a
 formal protest to the FBI, calling their attempt at registration both
 "unlawful" and "unconstitutional.">>

Gun registration is a dangerous thing.  Gun confiscation is the goal.  Anyone
who is an anti-gunner should be called pro-criminal.

<< * California. State officials have used the state background check --
 required during the waiting
 period -- to compile an illegal registry of handgun owners. These lists
 have been compiled without any
 statutory authority to do so.>>

Get the picture - government is the true enemy.  Be smart buy an unregistered
gun, it is legal in most States.  If they don't know you have a gun they will
be less likely to take it away.

 <<1. The Brady Law has failed to result in the incarceration of dangerous
 criminals. After the first year and a half, there were only seven
 successful prosecutions for making
 false statements on Brady handgun purchase forms -- and only three of
 them were actually
 incarcerated.50 With only three criminals sent to jail, one can hardly
 argue that the law is working to
 keep violent criminals from getting handguns on the street.>>

I wonder how much money was wasted passing this law.  If the current
administration would enforce this law and jail people who try to illegally
purchase guns, then the streets would be safer because more habitual
criminals would be behind bars where they belong.  Obviously Clinton and his
goons want to keep criminals on the streets hoping people will be stupid
enough to demand more protection "from guns" rather than "from criminals" how
can people be that stupid?  Yet people still support Clinton, some people are
not too bright.


 << asked the Attorney General whether his SKS Sporter rifle would be legal
in the
 state. The citizen was assured the
 rifle was legal, and based on that information, he subsequently moved
 into the state. But in 1998,
 California officials reversed course and confiscated the firearm.>>

Don't move to Calif. Don't believe what the government tells you, they have
an agenda that does not include you.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Allopathy exposed

[William Shannon]

In a message dated 4/18/00 9:10:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<< Conventional medicine "exposed" by an M.D. who is also a Homeopath. >>

That's like a cop who is also a felon...credibility is key, this moron has
none.

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] FW: DR. HULDA CLARK CHARGES DISMISSED! HALLELUJAH!!!

[William Shannon]

In a message dated 4/18/00 10:47:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I hope she was a whole lot better than the woman practicing medicine
without a license in Canada, where that isn't illegal by the way, who killed
my 34 year old sister. >>


Clark is a quack of the highest order...to wit-

The Bizarre Claims of Hulda Clark
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Hulda Regehr Clark, 70, claims to cure cancer, AIDS, and many other serious
diseases. She describes herself as an "independent research scientist" with
bachelor and master's degrees from the University of Saskatchewan and a Ph.D.
degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota (1958). She also lists
a naturopathic (N.D.) degree, but the source is not identified [1]. Her
treatment is available at Century Nutrition, a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico,
where the basic fee for two weeks of "treatment" is $4,500 (plus 10% tax).
This figure does not include the cost of a motel room (approximately
$210/week); meals ($250/week); blood tests ($70 each); standard diagnostic
imaging tests ($40 to $400); dental x-rays (at least $206); "individually
tailored" supplements ($400 to $1,500 for a month supply); equipment (about
$350); tooth extractions ($80 each); and partial or full dentures ($450).

Bizarre Claims
Clark claims that all cancers and many other diseases are caused by
"parasites, toxins, and pollutants" and can be cured by killing the parasites
and ridding the body of environmental chemicals. Her book The Cure for All
Cancers states:

All cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A single parasite!
It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this parasite, the cancer
stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In order to get cancer,
you must have this parasite. . . .

This parasite typically lives in the intestine where it might do little harm,
causing only colitis, Crohn's disease or irritable bowel syndrome, or perhaps
nothing at all. But if it invades a different organ, like the uterus, kidneys
or liver, it does a great deal of harm. If it establishes itself in the
liver, it causes cancer! It only establishes itself in the liver of some
people. These people have propyl alcohol in their body. All cancer patients
(100%) have both propyl alcohol and the intestinal fluke in their livers. The
solvent propyl alcohol is responsible for letting the fluke establish itself
in the liver. In order to get cancer, you must have both the parasite and
propyl alcohol in your body [1:1-2].

Clark further alleges:

The adult fluke "stays stuck to our intestine, (or liver, causing cancer, or
uterus, causing endometriosis, or thymus, causing AIDS, or kidney, causing
Hodgkin's disease)." [1:4] Or the pancreas, causing diabetes; the brain,
causing Alzheimer's disease; the prostate (causing prostatitis; or the skin
if you have Kaposi's sarcoma [1:35].
As soon as there are adults in the liver. . . . a growth factor, called
ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. Growth factors make cells divide. Now YOUR
cells will begin to divide too! Now you have cancer. . . . Having propyl
alcohol in your body allows the fluke to develop outside of the intestine
[1:8].
When the fluke and all its stages have been killed, the
ortho-phospho-tyrosine is gone! Your cancer is gone [1:9].
Clearly, you must do 3 things: (1) Kill the parasite and all its stages; (2)
stop letting propyl alcohol into your body; and (3) flush out the metals and
common toxins from your body so you can get well [1:10].
It is not unusual for someone to have a dozen (or more) of the parasites I
have samples of. You can assume that you, too, have a dozen different
parasites [1:10].
Three herbs, used together, can rid you of over 100 types of parasites: black
walnut hulls, wormwood, and common cloves [1:11-12]. But the amino acids
ornithine and arginine improve this recipe [1:15].
Use of these five products will kill the cancer-causing fluke in the first
five days and the remaining parasites in another two weeks [1:19].
It takes 5 days to be cured of cancer regardless of the type you have.
Surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy can be canceled because, after Clark's
recipe cures the cancer, it cannot come back [1:introductory passage].
All metal (fillings, crowns, bridges, etc.) should be removed from the mouth,
and all teeth with root canals should be extracted, because their presence
damages the immune system [1:46-48].
To prevent recurrence, stay on a maintenance program of killing parasites and
give yourself a high-dose program at least twice a year. Also treat all
family members and household pets [1:23-26].
Clark is also using and promoting two devices. Her Syncrometer is claimed to
identify diseased organs and toxic substances by noting whether the device
makes various sounds when "test substances" are placed on a plate
[1:373-427]. The device is simply a galvanometer that measures skin
resistance to a low-voltage current that passes from the device through a
probe touched to the patient's h

Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] SHIT!!! Forum Administrator? (fwd)

[David Sutherland]

I agree with a lot of what you say - my point was not the initial 
word but the double standard applied.
 
Since the dawn of time, Religionists have always subscribed to the 
Serpents dictum "ye shall be as gods". 
Genesis 3:5
 
To be a "god", means there can be no other rival gods or 
truths.
 
Christianity, Judaism,Talmudists, New Agers, Gnostics, Estoterics,  
and et al, despise the LAW of God as in like manner Jesus said of their true 
their ancestral mentors, their fathers -  the Pharisee's:
 
"And he said unto them, Full well ye 
reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own 
tradition." Mark 7:9  
 
Here we see that the professed religionists are simultaneously ANTINOMIANS and 
LEGALISTS!!!
 
That is, on the one hand they truly despise the LAWS of God, and on 
the other - strive for heaven by their own do-gooder merits and "traditions" 
(laws).
 
Church men and women will rant and rave against the 613 laws of the 
Bible, but have little conflict with 613,000,000 laws, statutes, codes, and so 
forth - created by them, and their incarnate "god" they give homage to - the 
STATE!
 
As ever, like the Pharisees - in this they say, "... we have no king but Caesar." John 
19:15
 
As it was, so it is, so shall it be - nothing new under the 
sun!
 
 
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Wed, 19 Apr 2000, David Sutherland wrote:> > > Just curious Mr 
Admin:> >> > I posted and used the term "shithead" and was 
castigated by the> > administators for a "cussing"> > 
Not by me. This is a Free Speech Zone. And the frustration of dealing 
with> a bunch of religiocratic "shits" or "shitheads" (you choose) is 
enough to> drive anybody to use such words. But hopefully we will get 
some reasonable> discourse going with the religionists before 
Life-Gazette turns into the> cyber version of Jerry Springer.> 
   Look, the "Greatest Story Ever Told" is very natural and when it 
is> supernatural it is not the "wierd shit" you get from the 
religiocrats.> They twist and pervert the Bible. I was almost moved to 
tears last year> when I watched an interview with a distinguished 
Canadian lawyer who> worked on the "Christian Brothers" (Mount Cashell) 
case. This man was> smart, well-educated, well-spoken and a seasoned 
middle-aged> professional. A real gentleman. After hearing what they had 
done to those> children he went into a deep depression and couldn't work 
again for five> years. I read in the Humanist Newsletter a few years back 
that a> patient/client is twice as likely to be sexually molested by a 
so-called> "Christian" councillor than a nonreligious councillor. Now, 
I'm not a> Humanist but let's just recognize the truth where we find it. 
I think they> probably had the stats on their side. Often when I spend 
some time with> the "wierd shitters" of churchianity I feel like I need 
to take a> bath. Church is not the place to go for spiritual uplifting 
unless you> can avoid the human element.>    So I think 
it is better to vent this stuff than to go into a depression> as long as 
we all stay this side of legality. I won't even tell you what> I'd like 
to do with that food truck with the big white cross on the side> which 
drives up in front of the courthouse in the "poorest ghetto in> Canada" 
as it is called. But I won't do it whatever it is. Lorna Dueck> featured 
them on "Listenup" recently along with the other religion> racketeers who 
exploit the poor in the ghetto for their vanity and profit.> She called 
them "Angels" of something or other. What? Hell's Angels?> The Hell's 
Angels Bikers I have met over the years impressed me as more> decent 
people than "Lorna's Angels". What did Jesus say? "Take heed that> ye do 
not your alms before men, to be seen of them" That is 100%> clear. 
And it makes intuitive sense to those whose minds and hearts still> work. 
The "missions" in the ghetto from Slavation Army to Roman Catholic> line 
up the poor on the street to be served a meal. What restaurants which> 
cater to a poorer clientelle do this? None. When the tv crew goes by 
these> people shuffle their feet and look down. My Jesus Christ doesn't 
compel> unfortunate people to lick His boots and suffer humiliation for 
the crumbs> from the table of pseudo-charity. So we are talking about 
very different> Saviours here.>    Angels indeed. They 
can't even see reality. The religion racketeers who> commute i

[CTRL] (TARA) HULDA CLARK - Cheap Cancer

[David Sutherland]

(TARA) HULDA CLARK - Cheap Cancer cure-all!
 
From what i remember of this old bird - she had this gadget she was 
flogging to death (excuzi moi the aussie lingo) - this device was a miraculous 
electronic cancer cure-all constructed from a few dollars worth of electronic 
bits from your local (Radio Shack?) electronics store, some wiring, and a couple 
of alligator clips, with short metallic pipes attached (and variations 
thereof).  Voila!!!
 
Now, i'm all for alternative "health" and all that jive - but i'm not so 
certain i'm a keen supporter for alternative death - as yet!    
 
 
 
 
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DISMISSED! HALLELUJAH!!!
> I hope she was a whole lot better 
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illegal by the way, who killed my 34 year old sister.> > 
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4/17/00 7:27:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time> From:   PLANETNEWS> BCC:    
Sh0shanna> > > I 
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Re: [CTRL] Dominatrix Pig Pen? Oi Veh!

[David Sutherland]

OINK!!!
 
& Twice if you lhuuuv 
moi!
 
RITPPL!!! (rolling in the pig pen laughing!)
 
 
 
 
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[CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

[David Sutherland]

 The MYTH of 
EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
 
The size of this 
Conspiracy is enormous! Permeating all western thought from religion, 
philosophy, ethics, science, astronomy, sociology, and so 
forth!

Top-flight 
scientists have something to tell you about evolution. Such statements will 
never be found in the popular magazines, alongside gorgeous paintings of ape-man 
and Big Bangs and solemn pronouncements about millions of years for this rock 
and that fish. Instead they are generally reserved only for professional books 
and journals. 

Most 
scientists are working in very narrow fields; they do not see the overall 
picture, and assume, even though their field does not prove evolution, that 
perhaps other areas of science probably vindicate it. They are well-meaning men. 
The biologists and geneticists know their facts, and research does not prove 
evolution, but assume that geology does. The geologists know their field does 
not prove evolution, but hope that the biologists and geneticists have proven 
it. Those who do know the facts, fear to disclose them to the general public, 
lest they be fired. But they do write articles in their own professional 
journals and books, condemning evolutionary theory. 
Included 
below are a number of admissions by leading evolutionists of earlier decades, 
such as *Charles Darwin, *Austin Clark, or *Fred Hoyle. The truth is that 
evolutionists cannot make scientific facts fit the 
theory. 

An 
asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. 

“The 
Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of 
nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of 
imagination.”—*Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist]. 

“It is 
almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies composed of a single cell 
represent the primitive animals from which all others derived. They are commonly 
supposed to have preceded all other animal types in their appearance. There is 
not the slightest basis for this assumption.”—*Austin Clark, The New 
Evolution (1930), pp. 235-236. 
“The 
hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic matter is, at present, still 
an article of faith.”—*J.W.N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (1933), p. 
95. 
“Where 
are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a 
granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of 
growth, nothing of life.”—*W. Kaempffert, “The Greatest Mystery of All: The 
Secret of Life,” New York Times. 
“ ‘The 
theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and 
manifestation of the inorganic world.’ “—Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., 
quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the 
thermionic valve]. 
“I think, 
however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable 
explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed 
it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the 
experimental evidence supports it.”—*H. Lipson, “A Physicist Looks at 
Evolution,” Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138. 
“I am not 
satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific and 
public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of Darwinism was 
accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity.”—*W.R. Thompson, 
Introduction to *Charles Darwin’s, Origin of the Species [Canadian 
scientist]. 
“One of 
the determining forces of scientism was a fantastic accidental imagination which 
could explain every irregularity in the solar system without explanation, leap 
the gaps in the atomic series without evidence [a gap required by the Big Bang 
theory], postulate the discovery of fossils which have never been discovered, 
and prophesy the success of breeding experiments which have never succeeded. Of 
this kind of science it might truly be said that it was ‘knowledge falsely so 
called.’ “—*David C.C. Watson, The Great Brain Robbery (1976). 

“The hold 
of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful that an idea 
which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious twentieth 
century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary 
biologists.”—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306 
[Australian molecular biologist]. 
“The 
particular truth is simply that we have no reliable evidence as to the 
evolutionary sequence . . One can find qualified professional arguments for any 
group being the descendant of almost any other.”—J. Bonner, “Book Review,” 
American Scientist, 49:1961, p. 240. 
“It was 
because Darwinian theory broke man’s link with God and set him adrift in a 
cosmos without purpose or end that its impact was so fundamental. No other 
intellectual revolution in modern times . . so profoundly affected the way men 
viewed themselves and their place in the universe.”—*Michael Denton, 
Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (

Re: [CTRL] Easter Cancelled This Year!

[silas]

Mike,
 
this 
is not my story, I'm the sarcastic barstard who merely 
responds
 
Regards 
Silas
 
Silas  

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  uaicvtmbSent: 19 April 2000 22:32To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Easter Canceled This 
  Year!At 02:54 PM 4/19/2000 +0100, you wrote:To: 
  Silas:Where in the World did you get this "Story"? I never read 
  anything about what you hadmentioned back in 1995, which is the Date of 
  the Article. The Rest of us Christian Conservativeswould like an answer. 
  Thanks, and By the Way - The Only One That Can Cancel Easter is GOD.!HAPPY 
  EASTER SILAS !~ Mike ~
    
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  Of blue honeySent: 19 April 2000 13:49To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Easter Canceled This 
  Year!Easter Canceled This Year!Author 
  UnknownJerusalem, April 15, 1995- -Archeologists who have 
  been excavating in the hills above Jerusalem announced today the discovery 
  of a 2000-year-old mummy bearing puncture wounds through the hands and 
  feet and a deep laceration in the lower left chest.  Who are these archaeologists?    Scientists noted that there was a large accumulation of 
  blood in the lower body, consistent with the body having been upright at 
  the time of death.  Who are 
  these scientists?  Carbon dating 
  of the body and its burial shroud indicated death had occurred 1990 +-95 
  years ago.  Who did 
  the carbon dating?  The 
  archeologists stated that in spite of its age, the body was well preserved 
  in the dry air of the hidden, sealed cave. A senior 
  archeologist,    
  WHO?    asked if this was the body 
  of Jesus Christ, refused to comment, but agreed that "the evidence is not 
  inconsistent with that hypothesis." A younger archeologist,    WHO???   
  who requested anonymity, said "This is the corpse 
  of Christ. Period. They're just going to have to cancel Easter this year." 
   How did he know this? 
   A Vatican spokesman    WHO???  said that such a discovery was impossible, because they had the 
  true burial cloth of Christ, the Shroud of Turin. Asked to explain its 
  carbon date of approximately 1300 AD, the spokesman repeated the Vatican 
  position that there was a burst of radiation at the time of the 
  resurrection. In a separate news conference, another spokesman 
     
  WHO???   said that a careful reading of 
  the Bible and Catholic doctrine would show that they were "not 
  inconsistent" with such a discovery.  Ronald Reagan, former President of the United States, announced 
  outrage that such a discovery should be made. In Lynchburg, Virginia, 
  Jerry Falwell, leader of Moral Majority, denounced it as "an attempt by 
  atheistic scientists to undermine the Constitution." 
   Armed troops were patrolling the 
  Christian sections of Jerusalem after the Chief Rabbi commented that he 
  "had always known the resurrection was a myth." The Israeli government 
  ordered him to make no further statements on the discovery.   Reference 
  please? Silas 
  

[CTRL] Baghdad, Belgrade and Moscow Collaborate Against Washington

[Bill Richer]

WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!


STRATFOR.COM Weekly Global Intelligence Update
19 April 2000

Baghdad, Belgrade and Moscow Collaborate Against Washington


SUMMARY

Russia has reportedly brokered a deal to upgrade Iraqi air defense
systems. The weapons upgrades Iraq could receive are of the same
type that may have downed an F-117 stealth plane over Serbia during
Operation Allied Force. After a visit to Belgrade, Iraq's defense
minister met his Russian counterpart in Moscow April 14. There is a
substantial history of military cooperation among the three
countries, and Iraq and Yugoslavia have recently indicated a
possible alliance. The possibility of such an alliance, tacitly
supported by Russia may be nearing reality and could threaten U.S.
policy.

ANALYSIS

Iraqi Defense Minister Col. Gen. Sultan Hashim Ahmad arrived in
Moscow April 14 and met with Russian Defense Minister Igor
Sergeyev, reported Interfax. Prior to his arrival in Moscow, Ahmad
was in Belgrade, Yugoslavia. The past military cooperation among
the three countries offers an explanation of Ahmad's travels. The
three may be cooperating to create simultaneous crises for U.S.
policy.

Prior to and during Operation Allied Force, Yugoslavia and Iraq
maintained close military cooperation. A Yugoslav military
delegation, headed by the deputy defense minister, visited Baghdad
just before commencement of the NATO bombing of Serbia, according
to a March 1999 Jerusalem Post report. Both nations, threatened by
U.S. warplanes, needed improved air defense systems. Serb
technicians regularly serviced Iraq's Soviet-made MiG-21s and
MiG-29s, according to the Jerusalem Post. The two nations also
reportedly worked out a deal. In return for Yugoslavia rebuilding
Iraqi air defenses, Baghdad would provide Belgrade with oil and
cash to sustain the war effort.

The Washington Times in March 1999 cited a U.S. intelligence
official who said that some of Iraq's integrated air-defense
system, including surface-to-air missiles (SAM), was of "Yugoslav
origin" and may have been sent from Russia via Yugoslavia. The
paper also claimed that there were reports of limited contacts
between Iraqi and Yugoslav air-defense officials several months
prior to Operation Allied Force.

During Operation Allied Force on March 27, 1999, a U.S. Air Force
F-117 stealth fighter-bomber went down over Yugoslavia. A U.S.
Pentagon official initially assessed that a Serb SAM hit the F-117,
reported The Washington Times. The official said the plane
apparently dropped below 20,000 feet, at which time the Serbs
optically spotted the plane and launched either an SA-3 or SA-6
SAM. The report also cited several unnamed U.S. sources, who
speculated that Russia had helped upgrade Serbia's air defenses.

The Times of London reported Oct. 7 that Russia, in violation of an
arms embargo, had actually supplied the Yugoslav army with new
warheads, fuses and sensors for its SA-6 missiles. The Pentagon has
still not officially disclosed its findings on what caused the
F-117 to go down.

Operation Allied Force stretched U.S. forces to their limits. When
the bombing campaign began in March 1999, the aircraft carrier USS
Theodore Roosevelt, stationed in the Persian Gulf, re-deployed to
assist the war effort. Another carrier, the USS Kitty Hawk re-
deployed from the Pacific region to cover the Persian Gulf -
leaving the entire Pacific region void of a U.S. carrier presence
for 86 days. Additionally, many U.S. warplanes stationed in Turkey
to enforce the northern no-fly zone in Iraq were used for missions
in Yugoslavia - leaving the northern no-fly zone under-patrolled.

Recently, Iraq and Yugoslavia have expressed renewed enthusiasm in
mutual cooperation. A Yugoslav delegation, headed by Deputy Prime
Minister Maja Gojkovic, was in Baghdad March 28 and met with Iraqi
Vice President Taha Yasin Ramadan, who expressed Iraq's eagerness
to expand comprehensive cooperation with Yugoslavia.

Iraq now appears to be looking to Yugoslavia and Russia to upgrade
its air defenses. Interfax Russian News reported April 16, 2000,
that Iraqi Defense Minister Col. Gen. Sultan Hashim Ahmad arrived
in Moscow via Belgrade. In Moscow, Iraq's defense minister met with
Russian Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev.

On the same day, the London-based Sunday Telegraph reported that
Russian military officials have brokered a deal with Belarus to
rebuild Iraq's air defenses. The report stated that the Belarussian
state-owned military hardware company, Beltechexport, agreed to
upgrade Iraqi air defense systems. Under the deal, Beltechexport
will upgrade Iraqi anti-aircraft guns as well as Iraq's SA-3 anti-
aircraft missiles. Also, Iraqi air defense crews will reportedly be
sent to Belarus for specialized training, where they will be
familiarized with the latest Russian electronic warfare systems.

If the report is true, it would not be the first time Iraq has
attempted to upgrade its air defenses to thre

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Clinton hits GOP for education, tax plans
Elian drama moves from Miami back into courts
L.A. District attorney race seems lopsided, but are looks deceiving?
Nebraska voters try to make sense of race for Kerrey's seat
Gore: Ban guns in churches
Bush seeks federal income tax extension
U.S., Russian negotiators ready to kick off START III: officials
Ridge wants GOP to change anti-abortion plank
Pentagon's troubled anthrax vaccine program draws more criticism


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It's only April, but the hypocrisy around Washington is like honeysuckle in
August:  sickly sweet and stifling.
On Thursday, April 13, the League of Conservation Voters, the political
umbrella organization for the environmentalist movement, announced a new
program:  In addition to attacking candidates they regard as
anti-environment, they'll lavish money on incumbents they believe are
pro-environment.
The real purpose is for LCV to support a Republican here and there and not
seem so knee-jerk, partisanly Democratic.
In their April 13 announcement they identified the beneficiaries of their
largesse:  five Republicans and five Democrats.
The Republicans are Congressmen Chris Shays (CT-4), Jim Ramstad (MN-3), Marge
Roukema (NJ-5) and Sherry Boehlert (NY-23) and Senator Jim Jeffords (VT).
The Democrats are Congressmen Jay Inslee (WA-1), Joe Hoeffel (PA-13), David
Bonior (MI-10), Mark Udall (CO-2) and Rush Holt (NJ-12).
What's wrong with that picture?
Well, all the Democrats -- with the possible exception of Udall, whose
district is pretty reliably Democratic -- are facing major challenges from
Republicans.
But the only targeted Republican with a fight on her hands is Marge Roukema
-- and her fight is with another Republican, in the primary.  The other
Republican beneficiaries will coast to victory.
LCV didn't fool anyone in Washington.  But that wasn't their goal.

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Transcripts

http://www.votenet.com/today/transcripts/04-15-00_01.html
DEMOCRATIC SENATORS HOLD NEWS CONFERENCE ON GUN CONTROL ISSUES
APRIL 13, 2000

http://www.votenet.com/today/transcripts/04-14-00_01.html
NBC TODAY SHOW
APRIL 14, 2000

http://www.votenet.com/today/transcripts/04-14-00_02.html
MSNBC'S ``THE NEWS WITH BRIAN WILLIAMS''
APRIL 13, 2000

http://www.votenet.com/today/transcripts/04-13-00_01.html
PRESIDENT WILLIAM J. CLINTON HOLDS MEDIA AVAILABILITY WITH PRIME MINISTER
BARAK
APRIL 11, 2000

http://www.votenet.com/today/transcripts/04-13-00_02.html
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RESIDING, HOLDS NEWS CONFERENCE
APRIL 12, 2000



U.S. House of Representatives




House Roll Call Vote: 119
Description: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States
withrespect to tax limitations
Date: 4/12/00  Bill: H J RES 94
Action: On Passage
Result: PASSED
Yea = 234  Nay = 192  Not Voted = 8
Richard E. Neal voted No.


House Roll Call Vote: 120
Description: Clean Lakes Program Reauthorization
Date: 4/12/00  Bill: H.R.2328
Action: On Passage
Result: PASSED
Yea = 420  Nay = 5  Not Voted = 9
Richard E. Neal voted Yes.


House Roll Call Vote: 121
Description: Chesapeake Bay Restoration Act
Date: 4/12/00  Bill: H.R.3039
Action: On Passage
Result: PASSED
Yea = 418  Nay = 7  Not Voted = 9
Richard E. Neal voted Yes.


House Roll Call Vote: 122
Description: To extend energy conservation programs under the Energy Policy
and  Conservation Act through fiscal year 2003
Date: 4/12/00  Bill: H.R.2884
Action: Suspend the rules and pass, as amended
Result: PASSED
Yea = 416  Nay = 8  Not Voted = 10
Richard E. Neal voted Yes.


House Roll Call Vote: 124
Description: Waiving points of order against the conference report to
accompany  H.Con.Res. 290  The Budget Resolution for F.Y. 2001
Date: 4/13/00  Bill: H RES 474
Action: On Agreeing to th

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Dear Brigade,

"We're not voting out of love," Gideon says. "We're voting because we
despise one guy a little less than the other." Six out  of 10 independent
voters tell pollsters they are dissatisfied with  their choices ... "We need
virtue. Like it was years ago - or at least how we  remember it years ago,"
Gideon says. "Bring somebody on with  virtue and we'll flock to him.
Democrats. Republicans.  Independents...  "I'd trust a no-name before I'd
trust them two boys running now," says Floyd Collins..."

GO PAT GO!
Linda

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt B.)
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: F1-Contact: News Item

Matt B. -  Tallahassee, FL



ABCNEWS WIRE:   04/17/2000
Americans anxious about nation, eager for leader with integrity

WOODBRIDGE, N.J. (AP) _ Assembly lines are humming in Michigan.  Slot
machines are cranking in Illinois. And business is cooking for  Helen
Ventrillo at her Cookie Jar Bakery in New Jersey.

But a booming economy is not enough for a small-town baker or  for millions
of Americans deciding who to back for president. They  want a leader they
can trust in trying times.

"We all want better schools and lower taxes and cheaper health  care. But
what we need _ what this country needs _ is a man or  woman with some
integrity," said Ventrillo, a small, dark-haired  woman covered in doughnut
powder. She gazed out her storefront  window, where scraps of paper danced
at the feet of passers-by, and  pointed to a school across the bustling
street.

"What our kids really need are better role models," she said.

Evenly matched in their campaign for the 270 electoral votes  needed for
victory, Democrat Al Gore and Republican George W. Bush  will wage their
toughest fights in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio,  Michigan and Illinois _ a
slice of America's industrial heartland  that traditionally swings between
the
two major parties.

The road to 270 leads from a cornbeef-and-beer bar in Joliet,  Ill., where
good
times seem a temporary condition, to "The  Flapjack" diner in gritty Lansing,
Mich., where a mother frets  about her child's safety, to a wind-chilled
school
parking lot  outside Cleveland, where suburban parents bicker about politics,
to  a two-pump gas station in rural Pennsylvania, where the owner is
missing his teeth but not his political senses, and to Ventrillo's  bakery,
now
serving opinions as strong as her coffee.

An Associated Press reporter and photographer logged 1,300 miles  through
the battleground states and talked with more than 100  Americans not
affiliated with either party _ swing voters who will  help determine whether
Bush or Gore claims the White House.

The result: snapshots of an unsettled electorate.

Rita Ganzini Falzone and Toni Gideon are dropping off their children at St.
Louis School, a dirty-yellow brick structure that,  set on a wooded lot in
suburban Cleveland, looks more like a  college campus than a Catholic
school.

"I don't believe a word Gore says," says Gideon, a lawyer who  tends to
support Republicans more than Democrats. Dressed for work,  she holds her
black overcoat closed against a bitter wind.

"... and I can't stand Bush," says Falzone, who works at a public relations
firm. She tends to back Democrats, but has voted  for GOP candidates.
Holding two fingers an inch apart, she says,  "I don't trust that Texan this
much."

The mothers are nodding their heads in unison. The tall, slender  Gideon and
her smaller friend are opposites in many ways, but alike  in one respect.

"We're not voting out of love," Gideon says. "We're voting because we
despise one guy a little less than the other." Six out  of 10 independent
voters tell pollsters they are dissatisfied with  their choices.

"We need virtue. Like it was years ago _ or at least how we  remember it
years ago," Gideon says. "Bring somebody on with  virtue and we'll flock to
him. Democrats. Republicans.  Independents."

Rising out of the Des Plaines River like a white whale, the "Northern Star"
is
a hulking riverboat housing Harrah's Casino in  Joliet, Ill. The gambling
industry helped revive the blue-collar  city from its economic stupor in the
early 1990s, and employs Norma  Reyna as a data entry clerk.

"I'll probably vote for Gore, but I have to say the president's impeachment
has
changed the way I look at things," says Reyna, 30,  her black hair pulled
into
a ponytail as she stands in the boat's  long shadow.

Moral values are a top priority of voters this year, according  to polls.
"I'm
looking for the character of the man more than  anything when I choose,"
Reyna says.


A string of white Christmas lights decorate the bar inside Central Grill,
located a few blocks from the Joliet casino and  across the street from the
county courthouse. Clay Johnson, 46, and  Cindy Lohmar, 39, eat lunch here
once a week.

"The economy scares me. The

[CTRL] [BRIGADE] Tales From the War Zone

[Bill Richer]

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Dear Brigade,

"Right now, the Chinese Communists sell us 40 percent of their exports and
they take 1 percent of ours -- the same percentage they took in 1900, a
hundred years ago. Who's negotiating these deals? And what are they using
that money for?..." - PJB

Great column from the Chicago Sun Times!

GO PAT GO
Linda



From: BBowes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 10:22 PM
To: Linda Muller
Subject: MD Press Coverage of Buchanan at Teamsters Rally

Tales from the war zone
Jack W. Germond and Jules Witcover

WHEN SEVERAL thousand Teamsters rallied at the foot of the Capitol this
week against permanent normal trade relations (NTR) status for China,
among those awaiting his turn to speak was Pat Buchanan, the Republican-
turned-Reform Party presidential candidate.

A local union member came up and offered him his shiny blue Teamsters
jacket. Mr. Buchanan slipped off his own gray suit coat, handed it to an aide
and slipped on the union garb. Then he proceeded to piggy back on the labor
rally to make what started out as a tirade against free trade with China and
ended up a pitch of sorts for his White House bid.

"Right now," he said, "the Chinese Communists sell us 40 percent of their
exports and they take 1 percent of ours -- the same percentage they took in
1900, a hundred years ago. Who's negotiating these deals? And what are
they using that money for? They're persecuting Christians, they're
persecuting folks like [Chinese dissident] Harry Wu, they're using that
money to buy weapons to threaten our friends in Taiwan" as well as the
United States itself.

"You know something," he went on, "if I were there in the White House, and
they came into my office and said, 'We want permanent NTR,' I'd tell them:
'You stop persecuting Christians and you stop threatening our country, or
you guys have sold your last pair of chopsticks anywhere in the United
States of America!'"

The Teamster crowd loved it. Warming to its cheers, Mr. Buchanan promised
that rather than have U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky
negotiating trade deals with China, "if I get there [the Oval Office] it
won't be
Charlene Barshefsky sitting down in Beijing, it'll be Jim Hoffa!"

Mr. Buchanan's political battlefield promotion of the Teamsters president,
standing on the speaker's platform behind him, really ignited the crowd.
"Hoffa! Hoffa!" The shouts came up to greet the Reform Party candidate.

Mr. Buchanan decided to quit while he was ahead, and after a few more
rousing words, left to thunderous applause. He doffed the Teamsters jacket,
returned it to its owner, slipped on his suit jacket and waded through a
throng of glad-handers.

Thus is the presidential campaign of the man who elected to leave his
lifelong home in the Republican Party for this free-lance bid. He is a
guerrilla
political warrior living off the land, seizing whatever opportunities offer
themselves to get his message out among like-minded Americans. This was
not a Buchanan rally nor was there any way of knowing how many of those
cheering Teamsters might vote for him in November, but he turned it into one
for a few minutes.

While he continues to take forums where he can find them, Mr. Buchanan is
working hard to get the Reform Party on the ballot in all 50 states -- the
task
set for anyone who wants to be considered the party's nominee. With
Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura and multimillionaire playboy Donald Trump
having taken themselves out of contention, and party founder Ross Perot
expected to do the same, Mr. Buchanan appears to have the inside track by
default. With the nomination comes $12.6 million in federal funds, which
isn't
close to the $65.5 million Al Gore and George W. Bush will get, but it's not
bad for an experienced guerrilla warrior like Mr. Buchanan.

His prime objective once he has the nomination, to be decided at the party
convention in Long Beach in August, will be to get into the debates with Mr.
Gore and Mr. Bush in the fall. He says he thinks he can have 15 percent
support in the major polls by then, one yardstick for admission set by the
Commission on Presidential Debates. But the commission will decide
whether he has "a realistic chance of winning" (another of its yardsticks),
and that will be tough.

In that regard, Mr. Buchanan says, he hopes the pressure of public and
news media attention will get the Federal Election Commission to intercede
on his behalf, just as such attention generated by John McCain in the New
York primary earlier this year finally got Gov. George Pataki to open ballot
access to him.

Meanwhile, he keeps living off the land -- and keeping his powder dry.

Jack W. Germond and Jules Witcover write from The Sun's Washington
Bureau. Mr. Germond's latest book is "Fat Man in a Middle Seat -- 40 Years
of Covering Politics" (Random House, 1999). Mr. Witcover's latest book is
"No Way to

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hello every one.
here's a report from a guy called Bob Oslen
(he's a major activist!), regarding the water c
risis in Bolivia.
just a reminder:
the bolivian government sold her water company to
the foreign Bechtel company, after a while the
company had more then doubled the price per
family for water, the poor Bolivian who could not
stand the prices started revolting and finally
kicked Bechtel out!!!
R.

Cochabamba, Bolivia

Thursday - April 13, 2000

Dear Friends:

It has been one hell of a week here in Cochabamba. Humble Bolivians,
led by a 45 year old machinist, kicked the Bechtel Corporation out
of the country after one of the world's largest companies tried to
pick their pockets over water. I'd like to see a consumer revolt
in my homestate of California match that. The people stood down
President Banzer and martial law. Some did not survive what happened
here, including Victor Hugo, the 17 year old killed by an army
bullet here Saturday. Those people we mourn and honor.

I am in awe, as well, at what we were able to accomplish together,
all across the globe, using the Internet. Hacking away at this
keyboard in a corner of the Andes that few ever think about, the
news of what happened here went out to thousands and thousands of
people. In a matter of hours, with a little research and a lot of
support, we took the Bechtel Corporation and turned it from being
"the invisible hand" behind the scenes to a corporation on the hot
seat. Hundreds upon hundreds of e-mails forced the corporate giant
to respond, with a hedging P.R. statement that became headlines in
Bolivia and forced the Bolivian government to say once and for all,
Bechtel's water company isn't coming back.

The solidarity and support expressed around the world was utterly
amazing, messages from Mexico, England, Canada, Iceland, India,
Pakistan, Egypt, Nepal, Australia, all over the U.S. and elsewhere,
giving people here heard that the whole world was indeed watching.
And how can I ever forget those amazing New Zealanders who cared
so much about the people here that they drove a bright red fire
truck, adorned with protest banners, to the Bolivian consulate in
Auckland and hosed the place down (story below). God I love that!

And we made the powerful speak. This morning I received an e-mail
from a Finnish journalist in Washington alerting me that some
enterprising reporter (who probably got our material from one of
you) asked the President of the World Bank Wednesday about Bolivia,
giving him a public chance to stick his foot properly in his mouth
(see below).

I am grateful, very grateful, to all of you who became citizens of
the world, spreading these alerts and requests like wildfire and
demanding that reporters cover the story across the world. Gathering
and confirming the facts was no small challenge in the midst of
press censorship and key sources having to go into hiding. I want
to thank Tom Kruse, Lee Cridland, Kathryn Ledebur, and Theo Roncken
for their incredible help in getting the facts. I want to thank as
well my family, Lynn, Elizabeth, Miguel and Simone the dog for
their patience as I neglected them entirely for ten days.

Even though the formal "state of emergency" is still in effect (see
below) I knew life was returning to normal Tuesday morning when
the doorbell rang early, our friend who had left his bus in our
driveway (stuck by the barricades days earlier) had come to claim
it. In the street our neighbors were running off to work. Once
again our biggest problem was the neighbor's dog sneaking in to
chase the cat.

Thanks for your patience and interest in all these messages. I
promise to be quiet for a while. Despite it all, Bolivia is still
is the most peaceful place I know.

Despite the end of national protests over water and other issues,
the 90 day "state of emergency" declared by President Banzer is
still in effect here, including an evening curfew, limits on public
meetings, and the ability to arrest without warrant. While it is
unclear how much of these rules will be enforced, labor, human
rights and civic groups have demanded that it be lifted. People in
the U.S. can help by contacting the Bolivian Embassy in Washington
to demand that it be ended: Tel: 202-483-4410; Fax: 328-3712.

RLD BANK HEAD COMMENTS ON WATER PROTEST AS BOLIVIAN PROTEST LEADER
HEADS TO WASHINGTON

On Wednesday the director of the World Bank, James Wolfensohn,
commented directly on the Bolivia water protests and the World
Bank's connection.  His comments, provided by a Finnish correspondent,
come as thousands prepare to descend on Washington to protest Bank
policies in developing nations.  According the Finnish reporter
who attended the Bank leader's news conference in Washington, Mr.
Wolfensohn argued that giving public services away leads inevitably
to waste and said that countries like Bolivia need to have a "a
prope

Re: [CTRL] Easter Cancelled This Year!

[blue honey]

"Two guys walk into a bar and order drinks, the bartender sa..."

Wait wait wait  What BAR?!?  What guys???   DRINKS??  There are many
drinks one could order at a bar...Reference please.

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[blue honey]

Yes humor, I'm sorry that it is something that you have to 
"remember".  I thought it was funny (I still do), I think that you taking 
it so personal is humorous too...There are a lot of "comedies" on television 
that I don't think are funny...should I write the a letter and tell them 
that I don't find their shows funny? Or have I missed something?
 
When you say "...have I missed something?"...maybe you 
have.  Maybe it went right over your head.
 
 

  

   
   
  

 Oh, HUMOUR! I remember that, but I'm sure 
that is not how it goes, isn't humour supposed to be funny? Or have I 
missed something? 
 
Silas

[CTRL] AF News 20m Apr 00 Part 1

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000595.  AEF schedule eases mission, brings predictability
by Staff Sgt. Jerome Baysmore
Air Combat Command

EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. (AFPN) -- For members of the 33d Fighter Wing
"Nomads," constant deployments have long been a way of life.

However, since the Air Force launched the Aerospace Expeditionary Force
schedule in October 1999, many "Nomads" are reaping the benefits of fewer
deployments, further intervals between contingencies, and supporting both on
a more predictable basis.

The 33d Fighter Wing has two operational F-15 squadrons that are each
assigned to separate AEFs.  The 58th Fighter Squadron "Gorillas" support AEF
2 and the 60th Fighter Squadron "Fighting Crows" support AEF 4.

"When your deployments are forecasted, you can plan for them and make
arrangements before leaving," said Staff Sgt. Ken Lloyd, 60th Fighter
Squadron dedicated crew chief.  "The AEF schedule helps me do that because I
know ahead of time when I'm leaving."

In December 1999, Lloyd was one of more than 550 maintenance troops, pilots
and support people, who deployed along with F-15Cs from the 60th FS to
Keflavik, Iceland, as part of AEF 4.

Lloyd said he appreciates the advance notice of deploying with the AEF and
is relieved he won't deploy again until March 2001.

"It seems to work a lot better than when I was deployed before, with only a
few weeks notice," he said.  "Now you know about deployments ahead of time
and you can prepare yourself better for them."

The Air Force's evolution toward an expeditionary aerospace force is
intended to bring stability to the operations tempo, to provide commanders
with rapidly responsive forces, and forces tailored for specific needs
during peacetime contingencies.  By operating on a known AEF schedule,
ongoing deployments become more predictable for Air Force people and their
families.

Lloyd noted the previous operations tempo of his job here, before AEF
implementation, caused strains in his family life.  During his first year
with the "Nomads," he spent about nine months deployed.

"The first year I got here, in 1996, I only spent three months at home," he
said.  "I enjoy going TDY, but while I was away, my wife had to take care of
the house, my son and she had her own full-time job."

Lloyd said he and his wife filed for a divorce in December 1999.  Although
he doesn't blame the military for this, he feels being away supporting
contingencies had a lot to do with it.

The AEF schedule brings welcome predictability to family members in the home
as well as to the work place.

Kat Scott, wife of Capt. Terry Scott, 58th FS pilot, noted her husband once
received an hour's notice on New Year's Eve to report to the squadron with
his bags packed.  She said she understands it's going to happen sometimes;
"it's part of their job," she said.

"The AEF concept is a great thing," said Kat, "now the military lets us know
ahead of time when our spouse will be deployed, which allows us to take care
of family matters ahead of time.  We can prepare mentally and physically --
it's a good improvement."

Technical Sgt. John Davis, 33rd Maintenance Squadron production
superintendent, who recently returned from the AEF 4 deployment, also feels
the AEF schedule helps make it easier to plan for family activities
throughout the year.

"The AEF schedule makes it easier because you can plan for family things,"
Davis said.  "Knowing ahead of time when I'm going to deploy, is easier for
my wife and son mentally.  I have time to sit down with my son and explain
to him when I am going away and when I'm coming back."

Captain Murray "Ord" Nance, 58th FS pilot, said he couldn't agree more.

"It doesn't matter if I miss a holiday every once in awhile supporting a
deployment," he said.  "It matters when they say you only have two weeks to
prepare for one.  It's not a big hassle for me or my family anymore because
we have time to plan for and around my deployments."

For most "Nomads," the EAF concept is a welcome change. Nance said the AEF
schedule gives people time to satisfy their mission training requirements
and prepare the necessary equipment to support a contingency.  The pilot was
among wing members deployed to Incirlik Air Base, Turkey, supporting
Operation Northern Watch.

"I went to ONW in September 1999, and I knew I was going six months prior to
the deployment," he said.  "I was happy I knew about it ahead of time and
that the time we were to deploy didn't change.  It allowed us time to get
the people and the jets ready to deploy."

The 33rd FW "Nomads" aren't scheduled for another deployment until the 58th
FS leaves later this year as part of AEF 2.


000594.  Tomorrow's AF faces many challenges
by Staff Sgt. A.J. Bosker
Air Force Print News

WASHINGTON -- Tomorrow's aerospace force will deal with many operational
complexities including those dictated by delicate political coalitions, said
Gen. John Jumper, commander o

[CTRL] AF News 20m Apr 00 Part 2

[Bill Richer]

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

000593.  Guard, Reserve help overcome shortage, transition to EAF
by Staff Sgt. A.J. Bosker
Air Force Print News

WASHINGTON -- The shortage of trained active-duty aircrews and the current
operations tempo have increased the Air Force's reliance on the Air National
Guard and Air Force Reserve to help accomplish the mission and make the
transition to an expeditionary aerospace force, said Secretary of the Air
Force F. Whitten Peters.

"We are an integrated Total Force and rely on the critical contributions of
our Guardsmen and Reservists," Peters said.  "We have been moving a lot of
what had been active-duty requirements into the Guard and Reserve to free up
resources for other tasks.

"The total number of the active-duty force will not vary much over the next

few years so it is critical that the Air Force effectively allocate its
manpower where needed most," he said.

According to the secretary, the Guard and Reserve have been moving into less
traditional roles at home.  The ANG is transitioning to F-16 training
missions at Kelly Air Force Base, Texas, and Springfield ANG Base, Ohio, and
to F-15 training at Tyndall AFB, Fla.

The Reserve is also transitioning to the F-16 training mission at Luke AFB,
Ariz., and is conducting test support at Edwards AFB, Calif.; flight check
functions at Air Force depots at Hill AFB, Utah; Robins AFB, Ga.; and Tinker
AFB, Okla.

Additionally, both Guard and Reserve instructor pilots are contributing to
the primary pilot-training mission at specialized undergraduate
pilot-training bases.

"Our efforts to engage with the Guard and Reserve have been very
successful," Peters said.  "On a recent trip to Columbus AFB, Miss., I had
the opportunity for an orientation flight.  My instructor pilot was a
Guardsman, the IP in the other aircraft in our formation was a Reservist and
his 'back-seater' was an active-duty first assignment instructor pilot --
not an unusual occurrence any longer."

The Guard and Reserve instructor pilot associate unit program initiative is
designed to help with the Air Force's current active duty pilot retention
problem.  Associate units have no assigned aircraft and use active-duty
aircraft for training and mission accomplishment.

"We don't have a quick-fix for the retention problem, and at the same time,
we cannot deploy without experienced pilots leading our younger pilots on
their wing," said Brig. Gen. Walter E. Buchanan III, 325th Fighter Wing
commander, Tyndall AFB.

Tyndall's ANG F-15 IP program will allow 21 active-duty pilots to return to
the combat air forces.

"(Our) partnership with the Guard is a good way to strike a balance that
allows us to take advantage of the ANG's resident F-15 experience, while
trying to bridge our current pilot gap," Buchanan said.

The 944th FW commander, Col. Craig Ferguson at Luke AFB, agrees. "Our
Reserve associate program is a logical extension of the expeditionary
aerospace force concept.  It gives the Total Force the option of capturing
experienced fighter pilots who leave active duty but who still want to be a
part of the Air Force Reserve.  It also allows more active-duty fighter
pilots to fill positions at operational assignments around the world."

The Reserve F-16 IP program at Luke will allow 45 pilots to return to other
active-duty combat units.

Establishing an IP associate program expands America's total fighter pilot
force, captures invested training dollars and helps alleviate our
active-duty pilot shortage," said Gen. Lloyd W. "Fig" Newton, Air Education
and Training Command commander.  "Additionally, if we are going to fly and
fight together, it's logical that we train together."

"Each of these forces -- active-duty, Guard and Reserve -- have unique and
complementary characteristics that make the Air Force a strong and versatile
team," Peters said.  "Our goal is to develop the right Total Force
combination to accomplish the mission and successfully complete the
transition to an expeditionary aerospace force."


000596.  General Handy now Air Force vice chief of staff

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- General John W. Handy received his fourth star before
assuming duties as the Air Force vice chief of staff, April 13.

As vice chief of staff, the general presides over the Air Staff and serves
as a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Joint Requirements Oversight
Council.

Before becoming vice chief of staff, he was the deputy chief of staff for
installations and logistics, headquarters U.S. Air Force.

Handy succeeds Gen. Lester L. Lyles, who is assuming command of Air Force
Materiel Command, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio.


000600.  Retiree dental program: different legislation, different rules

AURORA, Colo. (AFPN) -- With the fiscal 2000 National Defense Authorization
Act, the Department of Defense has the necessary authority, unavailable a
year ago, to explore options for enhancing the TRICARE Retiree Dental
Program.

TR

Re: [CTRL] Easter Cancelled This Year!

[Nurev Ind Research]

nessie wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >
> >isn't humour supposed to be funny?
>
> You mean like bile and phlegm?

Weren't they a vaudville comedy team?

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Easter Canceled This Year!

[Nurev Ind Research]

4/19/00

I thought it might be intended as a joke. It wasn't a gut buster, but
sort of cute. Except for me, atheists aren't very funny.

Get used to the shock god guys. One day soon you will read an article
similar to this and it will be real.

The end is nigh. Enjoy it while you can.

Joshua2

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Easter Canceled This Year!
 Author Unknown

 Jerusalem, April 15, 1995- -Archeologists who have been excavating
in
 the hills above Jerusalem announced today the discovery of a
 2000-year-old mummy bearing puncture wounds through the hands and
 feet and a deep laceration in the lower left chest.

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[CTRL] Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials

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  Editorial Reviews

  Amazon.com
  "It's easy to imagine a TV sitcom making fun of a
  character who visits psychics and astrologers and
  channels Sarah Bernhardt," opines Wendy Kaminer, "but
  virtually impossible to imagine it laughing at anyone
  who takes the Bible literally and believes that someone
  named Jonah once lived in a whale." She goes on to
  demonstrate that, despite the complaints from many
  religious people that the "secular media" mocks their
  beliefs, American culture still shows a high degree of
  respect for the faithful and pious, while popular
  hostility towards atheists continues to rise. But "why
  should it be socially acceptable to make fun of psychics
  and not priests?" That's one of many provocative
  questions Kaminer raises in Sleeping with
  Extra-Terrestrials, a critical assessment of the extent
  to which U.S. society has succumbed to the irrational.

  Kaminer goes on to sift her way through pop spirituality
  "classics" like The Celestine Prophecy and Conversations
  with God and visits seminars by New Age gurus (leaving
  her "amused and dismayed by the painful stupidities that
  people embrace to ease their fears of death"), but
  Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials is not merely an
  assault on religion--Kaminer also attacks purveyors of
  junk science, the influence of the recovered-memory
  movement on both feminism and the American court system,
  and the "cyberspacy" claims made by boosters of
  technological progress. Whether she's considering the
  extensive belief in UFOs and alien abductions or
  wondering why so many people worshipped Princess Diana
  in the hour of her death, Kaminer shows how an
  unrestrained culture of faith "encourages passivity,
  gullibility, and a childlike craving for authority."
  Rationalists will find her skepticism a refreshing
  tonic. --Ron Hogan

  The New York Times Book Review, Caroline Knapp
  The world, it seems, has gone to hell in a handbasket,
  and Kaminer--a sharp, outspoken thinker--sees evidence
  of this at every turn.

  From Kirkus Reviews
  A thorough examination of faith-based beliefs, from
  visitations by angels to abductions by aliens, with a
  detailed list of the problems these beliefs create in
  society at large. Cultural commentator Kaminer (I'm
  Dysfunctional, You're Dysfunctional: The Recovery
  Movement and Other Self-Help Fashions, 1992, etc.)
  covers broad ground in her criticisms. Shes not afraid
  to lump together established religious groups and the
  followers of New Age movements in her presentation of
  their influence on... read more

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  argues that we are a society intoxicated by the
  irrational: religion, spirituality, and popular
  therapies threaten to replace rational thought with
  supernaturalism and impassioned but unexamined personal
  testimony. Ranging from our fascination with angels,
  aliens, and near- death experiences to the rise of junk
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[CTRL] Environment News Service: Indoor Plants May Not Cure Sick Building Syndrome

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Indoor Plants May Not Cure Sick Building Syndrome


PERTH, Australia, January 13, 2000 (ENS) - They may look beautiful but forget about buying a few indoor plants to improve the quality of the air in your home or office, says environmental scientist Peter Dingle of Murdoch University in Western Australia.

A variety of organic molecules known as volatile organic compounds (VOCs) have been found in office air and linked to sick building syndrome, a range of symptoms that leaves people feeling tired, irritable and unwell but with no specific illness. 
Corn plant imparts a touch of green to a New York City office. (Photo courtesy Earthborn Indoor Gardeners)

Furniture, carpeting, and cleaning products can contain dangerous chemicals like formaldehyde, polyethylene, and benzene, that can emit gases into the air. For example, formaldehyde is found in particleboard, some plywood, adhesives, fabrics, and some furniture.

Formaldehyde is a toxic chemical that can irritate the eyes, skin and throat. It is thought to cause nausea, dizziness and lethargy at levels as low as 50 parts per billion (ppb). It may also aggravate asthma and hay fever and is a potential carcinogen. 

Aside from obvious moves such as improving ventilation and removing sources of VOCs, potted plants have been suggested as a potential solution to the problem - although evidence that they remove pollutants is sparse. "Everybody believes plants are the answer to sick buildings and indoor air pollution," says Dingle. "It's one of the great urban myths." 

To test whether this particular myth has any basis in fact, Dingle and his colleagues examined the effects of plants on levels of formaldehyde.

Dingle and his colleagues measured formaldehyde levels in offices where the occupants had complained of poor air quality. They studyied 18 office buildings in Perth and 20 temporary buildings on the Murdoch University campus. 

These structures are typically built using major sources of formaldehyde - pressed wood products such as plywood and some types of foam insulation. 

Average levels of formaldehyde ranged from 10 ppb to 78 ppb in the office buildings. But concentrations in the temporary university buildings ranged from 420 ppb to 2,110 ppb - far in excess of the World Health Organization's safety standard of 82 ppb. 

Dingle then set up five experimental cabins each with a floor space of eight square metres (86 square feet). Into each cabin, he placed five plants every two days until there were 20 plants in each cabin. 

With up to 10 plants in a cabin, formaldehyde concentrations remained unchanged. 

With 20 plants, average levels of formaldehyde were only reduced from 856 ppb to 761 ppb. If potted plants do help treat sick building syndrome, Dingle concludes, the effect is psychological. "They really make a place more comfortable and beautiful, but they do not clean the air of pollutants to any significant degree." 
Spider plants in the middle row blend into an indoor landscape. (Photo courtesy Michigan State University)
Jeff Llewellyn, an expert on indoor air quality with Britain's Building Research Establishment in Watford, says that the importance of such psychological factors shouldn't be underestimated. He also points out that the ability of plants to remove other pollutants has not been adequately studied, "Formaldehyde is but one pollutant," Llewellyn said.

Indoor plants are apparently useful in removing some pollutants. Research in the United States at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's National Space Technology Laboratories in Mississippi has demonstrated the ability of common houseplants such as spider plants (Chlorophytum elatum var.vittatum) and golden pothos (Scindapeus aureus) to remove such indoor air pollutants. B.C. Wolverton, Ph.D., a NASA researcher, presented a report in 1985 that found formaldehyde and carbon monoxide were removed by spider plants and golden pothos from closed chambers. 

Pollutant source removal or modification is an effective approach to resolving an indoor air quality problem when sources are known and control is possible. Routine maintenance of heating, ventilation and air conditioning systems such as per

[CTRL] Fwd: Filmed Columbine Shooter NOT Harris or Klebold!

[Kris Millegan]

4.19.00
Columbine Revisited: Filmed Shooter NOT Harris or Klebold!


Information EVERYONE needs to know.


NewsHawk® Inc.

+++
+ + + + + + + +

2.15.00
Shooter Filmed in Columbine Cafeteria NOT Harris or Klebold!
Video "Withdrawn" From Public Circulation by Law Enforcement!

--Image Attached



Some footage from whatever was left of a Columbine High School
security camera video--after FBI "special effects" wizards got
through with it--which had been released to the media, shows an
individual in a semi-crouch position, aiming a rifle into the main
part of the school cafeteria.

The videotape was filmed by the security camera in the Columbine
High School cafeteria on April 20, 1999.

The attached still from this video, taken from a TV broadcast of
a portion of the video, has pretty dismal image quality.

However, ONE thing undeniably is clear. This person is wearing a
short-sleeved, light-colored shirt or T-shirt.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had SUPPOSEDLY--according to NUMEROUS
accounts--entered the cafeteria only moments before this video was
taken, clad in a FULL-LENGTH black trenchcoats. 

Eyewitness accounts from AFTER the shooting in the cafeteria ALSO
describe gunmen wearing black trenchcoats. 

This person is wearing no such clothing.

So where's the trenchcoat?

Who IS this person?

Witnesses ranging from Brooks Brown outside in the parking lot to
witnesses in the cafeteria report that the two gunmen were garbed
in full-length BLACK trenchcoats, and some cafeteria witnesses
reported they saw THREE assailants, at least some of whom wore MASKS.

The fact that some of the assailants wore MASKS makes allegations
that Harris and Klebold were the ONLY gunmen significantly more dubious.
In fact it calls into question claims the two were even shooters at all.

Some proficient imaging experts have worked with the attached image;
which depicts "someone" on a landing several steps above the main area of
the cafeteria, wearing a light colored short-sleeved shirt or T-shirt
and taking CAREFUL aim with a rifle at targets in the cafeteria proper.

Although the results are somewhat preliminary, the clarified image,
according to a consensus of opinions from these imaging pros and
some other people, indicates the following.

The shooter is in the half-kneeling position used by TRAINED military sharpshooters.

Some object of furniture or in fact an actual rifle support is being used
as a brace to steady the weapon; greatly increasing the ability to aim
precisely at targets.

This person was a TRAINED SHOOTER, positioned carefully and securely and
in NO HURRY at all.

He is NOT just "spraying" the area wildly with bullets, as was reported
to have been the case with the trenchcoated, MASKED assailants PRESUMED
to have been Harris and Klebold.

The shooter is apparently wearing a cap, with either a ponytail or some
kind of strap as for eyeglasses hanging down the back of his neck.

The weapon (rifle) being used has a sling attached.

The shooter appears to be significantly taller and older than either
Harris or Klebold. As many have pointed out, this appears to be someone
in their 20s.

This shooter appears to have very dark and probably long hair unlike
either Harris or Klebold, and again is taller than either one.

The shooter depicted here is wearing what appears to be either a
communications device or POSSIBLY a handgun, in holster-like apparatus
around his waist in the rear.

AGAIN: of course, he is NOT wearing any full-length black trenchcoat:
a CRUCIAL fact which was reported by MANY witnesses before, during and
after the cafeteria shootings; in reference--OBVIOUSLY--to persons OTHER
than the trained marksman depicted in this image.

Preliminary but well-founded conclusions? The shooter depicted in the
image is definitely NOT Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold.

It's most fortunate that the FBI's "special effects" imaging wizards
somehow neglected to mutilate or simply remove this extremely significant
photographic proof that OTHER GUNMEN were definitely involved in the
massacre at Columbine.

Undoubtedly though, this lapse on their part is the MAIN reason that
within one day of this video footage having been released to media, it was
"RECALLED" or withdrawn (unbe-LIEVE-able!!) by Jefferson County
Sheriff's goons--UNDOUBTEDLY at the insistence of the FBI and/or other feds.

RECALLED!! This most outrageous action on the part of sheriffs in 
Jefferson County, Colo. literally proves the case: the released video
footage contains CRUCIAL EVIDENCE of a much wider and MORE SINISTER
conspiracy regarding the Columbine High School massacre than the
public has been consistently and unrelentingly led to believe through
intentional disinformation and manipulation of the "news".



(Revised 2.15.00)
John Quinn/NewsHawk® Inc.

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Magic = technology we don't understand

[ThePiedPiper]

EINSTEIN's original claim to fame was that
he worked for the Swiss patent office.
Was he for Democracy or Communism?
It could have colored his thinking.
ThePiedPiper

W&K wrote:
>
> According to Bernard d'Espagnat ("The Quantum Theory and Reality", Scientific 
>American, Nov.'79,) the
> implication of Aspect's (and others)
> experiments refuting Bell's Theorem and vindicating the Copenhagen
> interpretation of quantum mechanics is that AT LEAST ONE of the
> following basic assumptions about "Reality" and the scientific method
> is wrong:
>
> 1.  REALISM - the doctrine that regularities in observed phenomena are caused by 
>some physical reality whose
> existence is INDEPENDENT of
> human OBSERVERS;
>
> 2.  INDUCTIVE INFERENCE is a valid means of reasoning and can be applied
> freely, so that legitimate conclusions can be drawn from consistent
> observations;
>
> 3.  EINSTEIN SEPARABILITY (LOCALITY) - no influence of any kind can
> travel faster than the speed of light.
>
> "Robert F. Tatman" wrote:
> >
> > The sender of this message included the following comment: "I don't know the
> > origin of this essay -- somebody copied it onto another list I'm on, but it
> > is an eye opener -- among
> > other things it shows underlying ideas behind the magical law of contagion."
> >
> > My own reaction was that it validates the observation in *Illuminatus* that
> > "reality is a consensus statement."
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Ambrose Hawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:26 PM
> > Subject: Magic = technology we don't understand
> >
> > > The Universe as a Hologram
> > >
> > > Does Objective Reality Exist, or is the Universe a Phantasm?
> > >
> > > In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris, a
> > > research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to
> > > be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not
> > > hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of
> > > reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's
> > > name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face
> > of
> > > science.
> > >
> > > Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic
> > > particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with
> > > each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter
> > > whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle
> > > always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat
> > is
> > > that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can
> > travel
> > > faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of
> > > light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect
> > has
> > > caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain
> > away
> > > Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical
> > > explanations.
> > >
> > > University of London physicist David Bohm, for example,believes Aspect's
> > > findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its
> > > apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and
> > > splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling
> > > assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram
> > is
> > > a three-dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser.
> > >
> > > To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the
> > > light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the
> > reflected
> > > light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where
> > > the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is
> > > developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But
> > as
> > > soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a
> > > three-dimensional image of the original object appears.
> > >
> > > The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable
> > > characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and
> > then
> > > illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the
> > entire
> > > image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each
> > > snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact
> > version
> > > of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram
> > > contains all the information possessed by the whole.
> > >
> > > The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an
> > entirely
> > > new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history,
> > > Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand
> > a
> > > physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study
> > > its respective p

Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] "Christiani-NOPOST

[Kris Millegan]

This is all so much . . . ., this list isn't about your personal "religious
beliefs."
Go stand on a streetcorner.

NOPOST and I have no time to see who said @*$%^&*^ what nor do I care. Sorry.

Keep it off the list.!
Om
k

In a message dated 4/19/00 5:30:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Clarification:
>
>
>
>I should have added that many designate themselves Christians, call
themselves
>Christians.  But God will reject some of them - "many" of them.
>
>
>
>Sorry for the hit and run.
>
>

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The Cuban Boy


Police Probe Attack by Cuban Diplomats


Diplomatically immune beatings.

WASHINGTON (AP) District police said Tuesday they have launched a criminal
investigation into allegations that some 15 people from the Cuban diplomatic
mission here assaulted Cuban-American protesters who were demanding that
6-year-old Elian Gonzalez remain in the United States.

Some of the protesters suffered minor injuries in the fracas just before
nightfall last Friday and were treated at local hospitals.

The disclosure came as the State Department summoned a top Cuban diplomat
here to express ''extreme concern'' over the beatings. The diplomat, asked
for an explanation, did not comment on the allegations but said he hoped to
obtain an explanation later, said a department official, who spoke on
condition of anonymity.

Sgt. Joe Gentile, a Metropolitan Police Department spokesman, said the
incident is being investigated as a simple assault. He would not comment
further.

If Cuban diplomats were involved, they would not be subject to prosecution
because of diplomatic immunity. But officials said that would not prevent an
investigation from being carried out.

Several protesters, speaking at a midday news conference Tuesday in front of
the Cuban mission, said an all-male group emerged from the Cuban mission
building and started pummeling the demonstrators, believed to number about
14.

''I was punched twice in the face,'' said Mauricio Claver Carone, a college
student. ''I have bruises on my chest.''

Estrella Carie Noda, a U.S. government employee, said she suffered black and
blue marks on her arms and legs.

Brigida Benitez, a lawyer who was not at the news conference, said in a
telephone interview that she was grabbed by the arms and thrown into the
street. Her husband, Jorge, said that after suffering a blow to the head, he
experienced fogginess and was diagnosed at a hospital as having a minor head
trauma. He also suffered a contusion on his head.

Others required hospitalization but it was not clear how many.

Luis Fernandez, a spokesman for the Cuban mission, would not comment on the
allegations. However, he said people hostile to Cuba and to Elian's father,
Juan Miguel Gonzalez, ''have been performing provocative actions against the
integrity and dignity of our diplomatic mission, disrupting its normal
functions.''

The protesters insulted women and children at the mission and also passed
objects through the fence, Fernandez said.

Miami Mayor Joe Carollo, who was among those who spoke to reporters, said
Attorney General Janet Reno told him Monday she planned to investigate the
incident. Later, Reno said she had asked Carollo to make sure he reported the
occurrence to the local police and said she would follow if the complainants
had trouble in getting the assistance they needed.

News media camera crews had been deployed at the interest section most of the
day Friday but left before the incident took place.

Witnesses said two agents from the Secret Service, which has responsibility
for protecting diplomatic missions, struck the assailants with batons to
induce them to stop. When reinforcements were summoned, the assailants
retreated back onto the mission grounds, the witnesses said.

The episode added yet another bizarre twist to the saga of Elian Gonzalez,
who has been at the center of a custody fight between his Cuban father and
Cuban-American relatives since he was rescued from the ocean south of Florida
last November. His father has been here since April 6, trying to recover
custody of his son.

The news conference took place under a steady rain across the street from the
three-story sand-colored structure that houses the Cuban mission. An official
with a videocamera could be seen taping the proceedings from a second story
window.

Associated Press, April 18, 2000
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[Kris Millegan]

Catherine -- excellent post.  Loved the Nationsbank bit - 5% yield on $110
Billion is, of course, $5.5 billion profit for NO RISK whatsoever.  Now
that's what I call a scam.

David

> Fabulous post, Linda.
>
> You know, it used to amaze me at HUD. HUD had say $20-30 billion of
subsidy,
> and was putting out $50-100 billion of mortgage insurance credit, doing
> workouts and various things on that defaulted credit, and doing all sorts
of
> things in regulatory stuff.
>
> All the big private profits and stock market plays was in the mortgage
> insurance and regulatory areabut no one could ever see it..it was this
> magical stuff that only bankers understood. I will never forget when I
first
> went to Washington, an endless stream of Congressional staff and OMB staff
> and HUD staff would feed me this complete yah-yah on why we could not do
> stuff that we for the taxpayers because of all this financial mumbo-jumbo
> that we bankers use that no one understood. I must have used the
> expression..."That's ridiculous, of course you can do this or that, you
just
> have to.." Lee Williams has this great song about Jesus is a waymaker.
> Boy did I feel like a waymaker...all those years of finance suddenly
> culminating in helping people see that taxpayers and communities were one
> group and there was an endless series of win-wins.
>
> But it taught me that we don't know where most of the money is or how it
> works, particularly how it works by place. How does all this mumbo jumbo
> come down plop and infect or infuse the little ecosystem that I and my
> family swim around it. I think that is what we are all figuring out how to
> do.
>
> For example, I have read so many descriptions of the Federal
Reserve/banking
> system that did not resonate. I do not think these guys are making a
fortune
> charging interest on our currency. I think they are making a fortune in
> using the currency and the credit to understand how all the money works.
Fed
> profits get paid into Treasury, but the data and knowledge is used to make
> sure the banking system can arbitrage the federal credit like crazy for
> rigged profits, but then manipulate the lending so that the taxpayers pay
> for the folks in the circle to control all the equity on highly leveraged
> basis.
>
> Bid rigging and insider trading. The bankers are using the banking system
> and the data that comes from doing that to manipulate and rig the finance
> system and equity ownership.
>
> Meantime, we think because the Fed's interest earnings are coming back to
> the Treasury we are getting something. I say, let's let them keep the
> interest and we control all the data and they can not see it or have
access.
>
> It is what Negroponte said. In a digital age, data about money is worth
more
> than money.
>
> One little story as illustration that I have told before, but will tell
> again. In the early 1990's the head of commercial banking at Nationsbank
> complained to me that the Mayor of DC was out of place for criticizing
> Nationsbank for not making small business loans in the district. He
pointed
> out that small business loans were not profitable for Nationsbank, they
> could do better with their money elsewhere. The implication was that she
was
> out of order and out of place interfering with the private sector. I
pointed
> out that Greenspan was "pumping" short term money so the banks were able
to
> access short term deposits and money at very low prices using the federal
> credit (that means guaranteed by the taxpayers)as well as using the
federal
> credit to soak up huge amounts of retail deposits from all of us citizens
> around the country. In the meantime, Nationsbank had $110BB invested in
what
> appeared to be medium and long term Treasury bonds, for an automatic
profit
> of 5% above cost...(know as the spread). OK, so what that meant was that
> Nationsbank got to use our credit to suck up all our money and then
reinvest
> it in bonds in which we guaranteed the payment plus interest and while
they
> got huge profits because of Greenspan pumping away to flow the trouble
banks
> out..the same people who guaranteed all the risk and provided all the
> money, were not good enough credits to have their businesses funded..
>
> Now you know why corporations have a low cost of capital and you can't get
> funded starting a business.your money is to busy in big pools which
> consider you and me to be not good investments..
>
> A week later I read that Nationsbank announced a new multibillion
initiative
> with the Mayor to do mortgages and small business loans in the
> District.what a chuckle I got. That meant NationsBank bought another
> year or so getting 5% pure profit simply trading our bonds with our credit
> and guaranteesa pure money machine. It reminds me of a study we did at
> Dillon Read in the late 1980's. We discovered that if we had filled the
> trading floor chairs with monkeys and just run the average balance during
> the per

[CTRL] SNET: Guns (fwd)

[William Bacon]

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:33 -0700
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Folks, I just received this from my friend Jim and thought you might be
interested. It would seems that those who want to take away our guns
have an agenda other than keeping up safe.

Lynn

Subject: Guns

I thought you might be interested in these facts:
www.gunowners.org
Mar 1999

  FIREARMS FACT-SHEET
(1999)

  by Gun Owners Foundation
  8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102
 Springfield, VA 22151

Self-defense

A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they
inflict

* Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals
as many as 2.5 million times
every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year,
firearms are used more than 60
times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take
lives.2

* Of the 2.5 million self-defense cases, as many as 200,000 are by women
defending themselves against
sexual abuse.3

* Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do
every year (1,527 to 606).4 And
readers of Newsweek learned in 1993 that "only 2 percent of civilian
shootings involved an innocent
person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The "error rate" for the
police, however, was 11 percent,
more than five times as high."5

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves
every year, the overwhelming
majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off
their attackers. Less than 8% of
the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.6

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use
handguns to protect themselves over
1.9 million times a year.7 Many of these self-defense handguns could be
labeled as "Saturday Night
Specials."

B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* One-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half
million citizens
defend themselves with a firearm away from home.8

* Florida. In the ten years following the passage of Florida's concealed
carry law in 1987, there
were 478,248 people who received permits to carry firearms.9 FBI reports
show that the homicide rate in
Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell
39% during that 10-year period.
The Florida rate is now far below the national average.10

* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of
Florida. A citizen in
the Sunshine State is almost twice as likely to be attacked by an
alligator than to be assaulted by a
concealed carry holder. During the first ten years that the Florida law
was in effect, alligator attacks
outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 146 to 88
margin.11

* Nationwide. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that
violent crime fell after
states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the
study showed:

 * States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder
rate by 8.5%, rapes by
 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;12 and

 * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such
laws in 1992, then
 approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated
assaults and over 11,000
 robberies would have been avoided yearly.13

* Concealed Carry v. Waiting Period Laws. In 1976, both Georgia and
Wisconsin
tried two different approaches to fighting crime. Georgia enacted
legislation making it easier for
citizens to carry guns for self-defense, while Wisconsin passed a law
requiring a 48 hour waiting period
before the purchase of a handgun. What resulted during the ensuing
years? Georgia's law served as a
deterrent to criminals and helped drop its homicide rate by 21 percent.
Wisconsin's murder rate,
however, rose 33 percent during the same period.14

C. Criminals avoid armed citizens

* Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring
heads of households to
keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate
subsequently dropped 89% in
Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.15

* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was
still 72% lower than it had
been in 1981, before the law was passed.16

* Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that
burglars in the United
States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign
counterparts who live in countries
where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing
how often a homeowner is
present when a burglar strikes:

 * Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Magic = technology we don't understand

According to Bernard d'Espagnat ("The Quantum Theory and Reality", Scientific 
American, Nov.'79,) the
implication of Aspect's (and others)
experiments refuting Bell's Theorem and vindicating the Copenhagen
interpretation of quantum mechanics is that AT LEAST ONE of the
following basic assumptions about "Reality" and the scientific method
is wrong:

1.  REALISM - the doctrine that regularities in observed phenomena are caused by some 
physical reality whose
existence is INDEPENDENT of
human OBSERVERS;

2.  INDUCTIVE INFERENCE is a valid means of reasoning and can be applied
freely, so that legitimate conclusions can be drawn from consistent
observations;

3.  EINSTEIN SEPARABILITY (LOCALITY) - no influence of any kind can
travel faster than the speed of light.




"Robert F. Tatman" wrote:
>
> The sender of this message included the following comment: "I don't know the
> origin of this essay -- somebody copied it onto another list I'm on, but it
> is an eye opener -- among
> other things it shows underlying ideas behind the magical law of contagion."
>
> My own reaction was that it validates the observation in *Illuminatus* that
> "reality is a consensus statement."
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Ambrose Hawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:26 PM
> Subject: Magic = technology we don't understand
>
> > The Universe as a Hologram
> >
> > Does Objective Reality Exist, or is the Universe a Phantasm?
> >
> > In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris, a
> > research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to
> > be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not
> > hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of
> > reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's
> > name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face
> of
> > science.
> >
> > Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic
> > particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with
> > each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter
> > whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle
> > always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat
> is
> > that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can
> travel
> > faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of
> > light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect
> has
> > caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain
> away
> > Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical
> > explanations.
> >
> > University of London physicist David Bohm, for example,believes Aspect's
> > findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its
> > apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and
> > splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling
> > assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram
> is
> > a three-dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser.
> >
> > To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the
> > light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the
> reflected
> > light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where
> > the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is
> > developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But
> as
> > soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a
> > three-dimensional image of the original object appears.
> >
> > The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable
> > characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and
> then
> > illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the
> entire
> > image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each
> > snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact
> version
> > of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram
> > contains all the information possessed by the whole.
> >
> > The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an
> entirely
> > new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history,
> > Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand
> a
> > physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study
> > its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the
> universe
> > may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart
> something
> > constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is
> made,
> > we will only get smaller wholes.
> >
> > This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's
> > discovery. Bohm believes th

Re: [CTRL] Easter Canceled This Year!

[uaicvtmb]

At 02:54 PM 4/19/2000 +0100, you wrote:

To: Silas:

Where in the World did you get this "Story"? I never read
anything about what you had
mentioned back in 1995, which is the Date of the Article. The Rest of us
Christian Conservatives
would like an answer. Thanks, and By the Way - The Only One That Can
Cancel Easter is GOD.!
HAPPY EASTER SILAS !
~ Mike ~

 
 

 
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Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List
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Behalf Of blue honey
Sent: 19 April 2000 13:49
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Easter Canceled This Year!

Easter Canceled This Year!
Author Unknown

Jerusalem, April 15, 1995- -Archeologists who have been excavating in the
hills above Jerusalem announced today the discovery of a 2000-year-old
mummy bearing puncture wounds through the hands and feet and a deep
laceration in the lower left
chest. 
 
Who are these
archaeologists?
 
 
  Scientists noted that there was a large
accumulation of blood in the lower body, consistent with the body having
been upright at the time of death.
 
 
Who are these
scientists?
 
 Carbon dating of the body and its burial shroud
indicated death had occurred 1990 +-95 years ago.
 
 
Who did the carbon
dating?
 
 The archeologists stated that in spite of its
age, the body was well preserved in the dry air of the hidden, sealed
cave. 

A senior
archeologist,   
WHO?     asked if this was the
body of Jesus Christ, refused to comment, but agreed that "the
evidence is not inconsistent with that hypothesis." A younger
archeologist,
  
WHO???   who requested anonymity,
said "This is the corpse of Christ. Period. They're just going to
have to cancel Easter this year."
 
 
How did he know this?

 
A Vatican spokesman
  
WHO???  said that such a discovery was
impossible, because they had the true burial cloth of Christ, the Shroud
of Turin. Asked to explain its carbon date of approximately 1300 AD, the
spokesman repeated the Vatican position that there was a burst of
radiation at the time of the resurrection. In a separate news conference,
another spokesman
  
WHO???   said that a careful reading
of the Bible and Catholic doctrine would show that they were "not
inconsistent" with such a discovery. 
 
Ronald Reagan, former President of the United States,
announced outrage that such a discovery should be made. In Lynchburg,
Virginia, Jerry Falwell, leader of Moral Majority, denounced it as
"an attempt by atheistic scientists to undermine the
Constitution." 
 
Armed troops were patrolling the Christian sections of
Jerusalem after the Chief Rabbi commented that he "had always known
the resurrection was a myth." The Israeli government ordered him to
make no further statements on the discovery.
  Reference
please?
 
Silas

Re: [CTRL] Fw: this "Magic" = SLAVERY!

[ThePiedPiper]

This means that all answers are already given
that we need to think and format the questions and queries
That to put all knowledge on a computer will do no good
unless you know what questions to ask of it!

Communist want to control - since they do not know what
will be of value to capitalize on they will just try
to take everything.  They are the "ultimate negative capaltlist(s)"
since they are incapable of seeing that they can earn for the sake
of knowledge - it all has to go to the state and if they build
or ask questions of what they have done they could be going against
the state and get killed.

Example:
person#1 comes up with an answer - state takes it
to question that answer to get a new result requires
questioning the state.  They have suddenly become an
activist and a threat to the state.  Communist are not
allowed to debate, to enjoy, to use higher thinking skills
since to do so will be questioning the state.  Even if
you were to give them and encyclopedia, they would need
someone telling them what is important so that they could
question it.  Since everything that is important is new
and potentially could tear up the state, they have to tear
up new inventions and ways of thinking, because those
ways of thinking could undermine the states control.

The universe as a hologram where everything is connected
would undermine ideas like "Goals 2000" where each child
is to learn a skill and not be allowed to learn any
subject that is not "deemed" required.

To say that a computer operator does not need
NOT ALLOWED
to learn medieval history.
They will be a computer operator all their lives
(of course it is because of a genetic trait)
when they are no longer needed as a computer operator
Ah, well. . .

They also are not allowed to learn any nutritional properties
of food - they might question doctors.

to learn government - they might question government
to learn propaganda - they might question government

Russia seems to be like this
China and Japan still have some respect for
education and history
- it seems as if they are allowed to learn
just not say that they have
- as such -
the base line of Communism is that
they are not to question, debate,
or to really THINK!  Everything
is separate, compartmentalized.
An Hologram universe would require that
they learn how things interconnect.  It would
require that Americans see that many of these
things are not compiracy BUT a take over
by those that do not want speculation as to
how event interconnect.

Up to now conspiracies have been limited to human
type.  If Communism has it's way any type of new
idea would be a potential conspiracy.  Think of

how the French Revolution was against religion
how Leakey and Lucy were trouted as against religion
how some things are against government

most anything new is a conspiracy and such to be used
the Confederate Flag is not seen as a fight against the
cannibalism that had happened overseas
and against the crowded conditions in the North
that they wanted to take the South's lands
to put their own governmental slaves there but as a
Southern slavery issue - using the African Americans
to get the Southern lands.  Check on the crowding in
New York City during those times and put that together
with the Civil War.  It makes interesting reading.

Will you think while you are still allowed to?


You may forward with (c), ending and web page address intact
will redo the open source comment on web page - since
in the current format I stinks of communism, too.
ThePiedPiper - A Purest not a Puritan Creator(t)
http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm
---


David Sutherland wrote:
>
> The problem these Gnostics garbed in the skirt of "scientism" have is that
> they do not comprehend that their own philosophy of "Maya" is an "Illusion!"
>
> The so-called "Holographic Universe" is merely a regurgitated form of amoral
> Hindu Pantheism, which in itself is a fundamentally slavish dogma that
> craves the subjugation and dissolution of the individual spirit into the
> communist-like universal "oneness".
>
> The Gnostics are, and were, obsessed with phantoms, evil spirits and the
> evil demiurge "god".
>
> Much of the New Testament contains harsh polemic against the Gnostics and
> their inherent glib view of life and humanity and their paranoid sense of
> the Cosmic Grim.
>
> In some sense, from what I read of the US history, at the apex of the JFK
> assassination the US as nation embarked on a course toward national
> Gnosticism. This Gnostic dialectic was and is compounded by the incessant
> paranoia of "Conspiracy Theory" which itself tends toward fatalism and a
> sense of powerlessness against the seemingly insurmountable powers of
> darkness.
>
> Heretical so-called "christian" Gnostics were historically the first to
> surrender liberty, property, and life to the power of the State, since,
> inherently they held that the material world and physic

Re: [CTRL] Easter Cancelled This Year!

[silas]

> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >
> >isn't humour supposed to be funny?
>
>

When you get back to Earth, let me know.

Silas
>
> You mean like bile and phlegm?
>
>

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[CTRL] Olympic Broadcast Ban

[Alamaine]

>>>Now ... the 'games' are scheduled to be from 15th September to 1st October,
2000.  Is it not true that in the Northern Hemisphere, this would be the end of
Summer and the beginning of Autumn whereas south of the Equator, it would be
the end of Winter and the beginning of Spring?  In them olden days, the U.S.
Olympic training centre was established at Colo Springs, CO, to account for
altitude differences (Mexico City, e.g., but applicable to all locations); is
there going to be some means of accommodating the seasons' changes going from
above to below the equator, I wonder, I do?  First the jet lag then the
seasonal lag?  A<>E<>R <<<


Via http://news.ninemsn.com.au/04_sport/story_18620.asp

{{}}
Sport

  6:03 pm AEST April 19 2000


SOCOG relents on Olympic broadcast ban

AAP -- Olympic organisers eased restrictions today on television access at the
Sydney Games, allowing a limited number of international broadcasters to film
within the main Homebush site.

Sydney organising chief Michael Knight announced a compromise plan - approved
by the International Olympic Committee - to allay the concerns of non-rights-
holding entities including CNN, ESPN, Fox, Associated Press Television News and
Reuters Television.

Under previously announced guidelines, all non-rights-holders would have been
banned from the entire Sydney Olympic Park area at Homebush, a public area that
is the site for most of the marquee sports, including track and field,
swimming, basketball and gymnastics.

The rule would have restricted access to local Australian rights-holders and
NBC, which paid $US705 million ($A1.2 billion) for exclusive US rights to the
Sept 15-Oct 1 Games.

The ban led to official protests by TV companies and the threat of possible
legal action against Sydney Olympic officials.

Under the new rules, Olympic officials will issue eight permits per day to
international non-rights-holders and eight to Australian non-rights-holders.
The permits will be issued on a rotating basis by the Olympic Co-ordination
Authority, a body of the New South Wales government that controls the Homebush
site.

"This is a victory for common sense and enables the international news
organisations to report the news events that surround every Olympic Games in a
proper manor. It the Olympic ideal that there should be access for all," APTN
managing editor Sandy MacIntyre said.

The IOC has accredited 140 non-right-holders for Sydney, suggesting the
competition will be fierce for the daily permits.

"We are trying to balance crowd management and the legitimate interests of news
media, while protecting our rights holders," Knight said.

"They have paid a lot of money for the rights and don't deserve to be
ambushed."

Sydney officials have cited crowd control as a main reason for their decision
to restrict TV access to the area.

As in previous games, all non-Olympic broadcasters are prohibited from filming
inside the stadiums and arenas. But in the past, non-rights-holders have not
been banned from filming outside the venues.

Those non-rights-holders allowed access to Homebush will be subjected to
several conditions. They will be prohibited from doing live broadcasts or
conducting interviews with athletes outside the venues.

All non-rights-holders - including those without the daily permits - will have
access to the main press centre, which is located in the Homebush area.
Athletes will be encouraged to go to the press centre for interviews, Knight
said.

Knight acknowledged the plan won't satisfy everybody.

"We think it's a fair compromise," he said. "It's always a balancing act. When
you reach a compromise, you usually don't make everybody happy. But it's almost
always the best result." - AP


{{}}

A<>E<>R
~~~
Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said
it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your
own reason and your common sense." --Buddha
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that
prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
"Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart
information and ideas through any media and regardless
of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will
teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this mat

[CTRL] Fwd: Nighttime Gardeners Guide!

[nessie]

 Some people whine about the danges of geneticically engineered crops.
Other people DO something about it.


 -- nessie

***



  A - I N F O S  N E W S  S E R V I C E
http://www.ainfos.ca/
 

Friends,
We were unsure of whether you have ever received a copy of our
publication. Let us know if you want a paper copy (with pictures!).
thanks and see you in the fields...

Nighttime Gardeners

Greetings future crop pullers!

At last, the new Nighttime Gardener is ready for distribution.
After two months, many revisions and a few complaints (where
are the Amerikan pictures?) the new guide is done!

Why a new guide, you say?

Well so much has changed that we decided to update new methods
for GE crop decontamination and even include a photo gallery.
New sections on GE forestry and expanded "tools" and
"planning" sections. Plus, its the winter and we want
people to reflect (i.e. plan) their spring planting season
and harvesting accordingly with good information.

The Winter 2000 Version of the Nighttime Gardeners Guide is
a 18 page, self-mailer available through this account and
the Bioengineering Action Network Distro.

For bulk copies, email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or check out the first version at http://www.tao.ca/~ban

Activists/supporters=free but we take stamps and donations.
 Infoshops=pay what you can Coporate Price=$5,000/page

We take donations (of course) and encourage all nighttime
gardeners (and everyone else) to send in your stories,
critiques, suggestions, bomb threats etc.

What critics have to say about the NGG...
-"Loved it...If I wasnt such a wanker...Id be doing the same..."
Bob Shapiro, Monsanto

-some well intentioned supporter had this to say (via email):
"You are sociopaths who disgust me.  You are criminals of the
highest order...utterly ignorant that the best thought I can
muster for you is that you are entirely stupid.

And lets not forget our friends at UC-Berkeley:
"Let me catch one of them in my field and I'll...

The Nighttime Gardener's Guide...
from the people who brought you the crop action!
(ok, maybe not but it sure sounds good!)


The Nighttime Gardener
-A guide for the shy gardener in North Amerika-
Greetings. The following guide was put together for the WTO
gathering in the hopes that people from all over the continent
would find this informational useful and inspiring. The
corporate biotechnology onslaught embodies the New World
Order perhaps better than any other issue. Johnna Appleseed
of Reclaim the Seeds, one of several nighttime gardening
groups, describes it well: "If you care about wildlife and
think the natural world is fine without mutant genes, you
should resist genetic engineering. If you care about social
justice and don't want to poison farm workers with pesticides
and herbicides, you should resist genetic engineering. If you
care about biological and cultural diversity as opposed to a
global corporate monoculture, you should resist genetic
engineering. If you care about laboratory animals and don't
want researchers creating hybrid genetic monsters, you should
resist genetic engineering. If you eat food, you should resist genetic
engineering. If not you, th!
!
en who? If not now, when? Resistance to genetic engineering is
as transnational as capital."


A section on computer security will be released with a future
draft of this guide. Please make sure and check it out. There
are numerous benefits of encryption technology and anonymous web-surfing.
Also, a read-through of the essential book
Ecodefense will be most helpful, in particular the
"Security" chapter.


These GE plants are held captive as biotech slaves. By
harvesting them early, we free them from the bonds of
corporate servitude. Remember this while gardening because
sometimes it feels strange to garden in this manner. Life is
sacred, which is why we garden at night in the first place.
May nighttime gardening flourish here as it has in Europe and
other lands around the globe.


-This guide shall be continuously updated. Please give us your
input at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Evening Attire for The Nighttime Gardener



Gardening is a very dirty job. For the least hassle it is
recommended to wear a complete set of old clothes that can
easily be discarded in dumpsters after gardening. Don t be
cheap. It's really necessary, even if like us, you hate
wasting anything. Black evening attire is the most appropriate
for shy gardeners. You may get very wet and cold, so wear
appropriate cold-weather and rain gear. Have some comfortable
clean clothes and shoes to change into before you get home.


A forensic scientist can tell roughly where you've been from
the composition of the dirt and soil that you will have picked
up on your travels. Say, for instance, you've been gardening
at a Monsanto test site of GE corn, then traces of earth will
be upon 

Re: [CTRL] Easter Cancelled This Year!

[nessie]

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>isn't humour supposed to be funny?



You mean like bile and phlegm?

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[silas]

 
 
 

  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of blue 
  honey
  
This is all this I have for you:
http://www.infidels.org/misc/humor/easter.html
 
I believe it was meant to be humorous.
 
 

  
   Oh, HUMOUR! I remember that, but I'm sure 
  that is not how it goes, isn't humour supposed to be funny? Or have I 
  missed something? 
   
  Silas

[CTRL] More Schroedinger's Eskimo

[Tony Dickinson]

Dear Readers,
 whether or not associated with spirit-assisted tree-dwelling,
according to an old Psych dictionary of mine (probably Arthur Rebus',
Penguin edition) there is indeed a native-specific Eskimo condition called
Piblotko, which is diagnosed by symptoms including wild, outwardbound
running behaviour away from the village. I came across this whilst
compiling the 'name the syndrome' section of last year's Psych Quiz for a
Dept Student Soc social event.

 Cheers,
 Tony.

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[blue honey]

  This is all this I have for you:
  http://www.infidels.org/misc/humor/easter.html
   
  I believe it was meant to be humorous.
   
   
  

Easter Canceled This Year!Author 
Unknown
Jerusalem, April 15, 1995- -Archeologists who have 
been excavating in the hills above Jerusalem announced today the discovery 
of a 2000-year-old mummy bearing puncture wounds through the hands and feet 
and a deep laceration in the lower left chest. 
 
Who are these archaeologists?
 
 
  
Scientists noted that there was a large accumulation of blood in the lower 
body, consistent with the body having been upright at the time of 
death.  
 
Who are these scientists?
 
 Carbon 
dating of the body and its burial shroud indicated death had occurred 1990 
+-95 years ago.  
 
Who did the carbon dating?
 
 The 
archeologists stated that in spite of its age, the body was well preserved 
in the dry air of the hidden, sealed cave. 
A senior archeologist,    
WHO?     asked if this was the body of Jesus 
Christ, refused to comment, but agreed that "the evidence is not 
inconsistent with that hypothesis." A younger archeologist,    
WHO???   who requested anonymity, said "This is the 
corpse of Christ. Period. They're just going to have to cancel Easter this 
year."  
 
How did he know 
this? 
 
A Vatican spokesmanWHO??? 
 said that such a discovery was impossible, because they 
had the true burial cloth of Christ, the Shroud of Turin. Asked to explain 
its carbon date of approximately 1300 AD, the spokesman repeated the Vatican 
position that there was a burst of radiation at the time of the 
resurrection. In a separate news conference, another spokesman    
WHO???   said that a careful reading of the Bible 
and Catholic doctrine would show that they were "not inconsistent" with such 
a discovery. 
 
Ronald Reagan, former President of the United States, 
announced outrage that such a discovery should be made. In Lynchburg, 
Virginia, Jerry Falwell, leader of Moral Majority, denounced it as "an 
attempt by atheistic scientists to undermine the Constitution." 

 
Armed troops were patrolling the Christian sections of 
Jerusalem after the Chief Rabbi commented that he "had always known the 
resurrection was a myth." The Israeli government ordered him to make no 
further statements on the discovery.   Reference 
please?
 
Silas 

[CTRL] "Clinton Jokes About E-Mail Probe"

[Mr. Rodriguez]

After reading the article that Mr. Michael Spitzer
brought to the list (about President WJC saying he
didn't use the Internet - except for online shopping
(?)), and that he used the phone instead, I still
wonder about his knowledge regarding intelligence
communications and espionage. He knows for sure, but:

...does he feels or thinks that his phone is not
tapped? (And in case "this is not happening"...)

Perhaps some people know this already, but does he
think or know the technology some wealthy have already
surpassed the electronic and wire communications years
ago?

One day this 9 years old little boy will take a real
"laugh".

Look up to the skies...

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites.
http://invites.yahoo.com

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #3

[Ric Carter]

SkeptiNews 000419c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/18_04_2000.html
* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* Site of latest notices, excuses, news/views: http://skeptilog.pitas.com
* Few blunders are made during the production of these bulletins. Very few.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Beware This Alien: http://www.nbarker.demon.co.uk/demon.jpg
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

* Apology - I inadvertently neglected to include a contributor's questions
* along with the piece he sent, used in a earlier bulletin. Here they are:

# Privacy-loving space aliens smack down on SETI - pulsating blue sky-beam
  destroys radio-telescope: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000419-04.html

; Do your alien race hate SETI eavesdroping, do it interfere with Porn TV/
  *Net reception, do it causes headaches/psicosis/implant misfiring,  what´s
  your leaders next target, Hubble/Arecibo/Mauna Kea, is SETI a coverup for
  interestellar Echelon ?? Did they hear you saying President ,  Allah( Or
  alien equivalent), when you were calling your Momma? Does your alien race
  contacted V***GER (remember trekkie fans?) & it says "destroy, kill, kick,
  bring seti down, nuke earth with your blue beams "), or it was a test fire
  of "ION CANNON" from Command & Conquer, or maybe it was Goldeneye.
  From: "Gerardo E. Arceri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ A new kind of object: From Rorschach to Relationship. A new kind of
  computational object is provoking striking new changes in the narrative
  of human development, especially in the way people think about life,
  and about what kind of relationships it is appropriate to have with
  a machine. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/story/101.html

$ Evil. Handcrafted with love: http://www.tccorp.com/outsider/doll.html
# Blair and Pikachu: http://www.drinkfromthefurrycup.com/news/51.shtml
@ Fuzzy Logic: http://www.brunching.com/features/feature-fuzzylogic.html
# Ananova speaks - cyberrubbish. More long-winded than a govt minister.
  And no tits: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000419-08.html

: Do you have meaningful relationships with humans/ETs/machines/vegetables/
spirits/me? What relationships are appropriate? What relationships can you
just barely tolerate? Do mind-control rays broaden your tolerance? When??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Catholics: Jesus-starring PETA billboard is sacreligious. The animal-lov-
  ing group's billboard features a Christ-like figure. "I said, 'Thou shalt
  not kill,'" sez the ad, obviously referring to animal butchery. A Catholic
  Action League official calls the billboard a "tawdry shock tactic," and
  adds: "They're using Jesus as a vehicle for advertising. It's offensive,
  inappropriate and in poor taste." [via http://www.obscurestore.com/]
  http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/peta04172000.htm

# Jesus video distribution offends Florida Jews - pisses me off too:
  www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,300116540,00.html
# EXTREMIST ISLAMIC REGIME IMPOVERISHES WOMEN IN AFGHANISTAN- Prohibits Them
  Working: http://www.zenit.org/english/archive/0004/ZE000417.html#item3
@ Mosque Clock - not to be missed: http://www.mosqueclock.com/hard_sell.htm

: D'ya market your religious/political/economic/artistic beliefs? D'ya have
trademarked icons? Are you angered/wrathful/litigious when someone from ano-
ther belief system appropriates your icons? Do you invoke divine punishment?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# RANDI BEGS BENNETH, "KILL ME WITH YOUR VOODOO" - Randi writes, 'I'm told
  that one of the nut cases out there has declared that "negative vibes" can
  be sent out against individuals. You know, voodoo, bad thoughts, curses,
  the whole spectrum.  Okay, let's do a test.  I invite ALL the bad guys out
  there to curse me,point-the-bone at me,send me "bad cess," and in general
  wish me real bad stuff. Try to get me dead by thinking me dead, by putting
  out every evil wish you can summon up, and let's see what happens.'
  http://x40.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=585583909&CONTEXT=953719051.752418831

# Parents try psychic in search. HAYDEN, Colo. The parents of Marie Blee
  are turning to a psychic to help find the body of the 15-year-old girl
  who disappeared more than 20 years ago. Blee, a Hayden resident, vanished
  Nov. 21, 1979, after going to a party in nearby Craig. Rumors about her
  disappearance have swept small towns in northwestern Colorado for two
  decades. http://insidedenver.com/news/0418regio.shtml

: Have you had any notable positive/negative/indeterminate interactions with
psychics/wizards/spoonbenders lately? Are people claiming paranormal powers
cruel/craven/crazy by nature/nurture? Is death too important for psychics??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Planet Earth gets a makeover. (BBC) Nasa has created a stunning composite
  image of the Earth using data fro

Re: [CTRL] Easter Canceled This Year!

[silas]

 
 
 

  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of blue 
  honeySent: 19 April 2000 13:49To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Easter Canceled This 
  Year!
  Easter Canceled This Year!Author 
Unknown
  Jerusalem, April 15, 1995- -Archeologists who have 
  been excavating in the hills above Jerusalem announced today the discovery of 
  a 2000-year-old mummy bearing puncture wounds through the hands and feet and a 
  deep laceration in the lower left chest. 
   
  Who 
  are these archaeologists?
   
   
    Scientists 
  noted that there was a large accumulation of blood in the lower body, 
  consistent with the body having been upright at the time of death.  
   
  Who 
  are these scientists?
   
   Carbon 
  dating of the body and its burial shroud indicated death had occurred 1990 
  +-95 years ago.  
   
  Who 
  did the carbon dating?
   
   The 
  archeologists stated that in spite of its age, the body was well preserved in 
  the dry air of the hidden, sealed cave. 
  A senior archeologist,    
  WHO?     asked if this was the body of Jesus 
  Christ, refused to comment, but agreed that "the evidence is not inconsistent 
  with that hypothesis." A younger archeologist,    WHO???  
   who requested anonymity, said "This is the corpse of 
  Christ. Period. They're just going to have to cancel Easter this 
  year."  
   
  How did he know 
this? 
   
  A Vatican spokesmanWHO??? 
   said that such a discovery was impossible, because they 
  had the true burial cloth of Christ, the Shroud of Turin. Asked to explain its 
  carbon date of approximately 1300 AD, the spokesman repeated the Vatican 
  position that there was a burst of radiation at the time of the resurrection. 
  In a separate news conference, another spokesman    WHO???  
   said that a careful reading of the Bible and Catholic 
  doctrine would show that they were "not inconsistent" with such a discovery. 
  
   
  Ronald Reagan, former President of the United States, 
  announced outrage that such a discovery should be made. In Lynchburg, 
  Virginia, Jerry Falwell, leader of Moral Majority, denounced it as "an attempt 
  by atheistic scientists to undermine the Constitution." 
   
  Armed troops were patrolling the Christian sections of 
  Jerusalem after the Chief Rabbi commented that he "had always known the 
  resurrection was a myth." The Israeli government ordered him to make no 
  further statements on the discovery.   Reference 
  please?
   
  Silas 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #2

[Ric Carter]

SkeptiNews 000419b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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*  during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ You Are Here: http://www.zompist.com/langmaps.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Milky Way On Collision Course With Andromeda Galaxy - Run! Run!
  We're all doomed! http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9703575
# UFO SHOCKER! Spaceships Collide Over Brazil In Game Of 'Chicken'
  http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/archive/stories/1375.html

@ Can You Prove That Sputniks Are Tracking You? Yes, I can prove sputniks
  are tracking me now and in the past. And people with Geiger Counters in
  the past can never understand why the radiation levels are too high near
  me for them to explain.  That always freaks them. Always.
  http://community-2.webtv.net/NancyLuft/CanYouProveThat/

: Should Sputniks track cars/UFOs/galaxies so they don't collide? Have you
been tracked by Sputniks lately? Is everyone? Do you feel more/less secure?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Pentagon: No ETs in Our Programs. WASHINGTON (AP) - Believe it or not, the
  Pentagon denied Tuesday that extraterrestrials participate in classified
  U.S. military programs. Spokesman Ken Bacon was responding to reporters'
  questions about Monday's Internet posting of the first detailed satellite
  images of Area 51, the supersecret Air Force test site in Nevada that UFO
  buffs think holds alien technology. Asked if the Internet posting revealed
  military secrets, Bacon said he was "not aware that any information was
  revealed that compromised" military activities. Not that they'd tell HIM,
  OF COURSE. http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000418/19/pentagon-space-aliens

# New Non-Lethal Weapons May Be Used Against US Citizens
  Part One: http://www.sightings.com/general/nonleth.htm
  Part Two: http://www.sightings.com/general/nonleth2.htm

: Have you colluded with any aliens lately to develop (non)lethal weapons;
mind-control / mind-reading / intelligence-gathering systems; ground/space
transport systems; sexual enhancers; entertainment electronics? Why not??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# SPECTACULAR WAVE OF UFO SIGHTINGS SWEEPS HOLY LAND! JERUSALEM - A new wave
  of UFO sightings in the Holy Land has convinced pilgrims,religious leaders
  and Bible scholars that a religious event of earthshaking proportions is
  imminent. http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/archive/stories/1783.html

# Secret UFO base revealed: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9703518
# ET Contact. Military reports that 110 different ET species visit
  the Earth monthly. http://www.caus.org/mc041900.htm
# German Fighter Ace Red Baron Shot Down A Ufo In 1917!
  http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/archive/stories/1293.html
# Couple Chases UFO in Yukon: http://www.caus.org/mu041800.htm

: Have you sighted/downed/avoided any UFOs lately? Does your UFO experience
portend great tumult in the galaxy/world/region/neighborhood? How many ETs
do you bump into daily/weekly/monthly? Are they well-groomed, smelly, thin?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology. Many researchers into the UFO enigma
  tend to overlook a very important fact. While it assumed that most flying
  saucers are of alien, or perhaps Govt/Military origin, another possible
  origin of UFOs is ancient India & Atlantis. http://caus.org/pn041900.htm

# Cuzco is Portal to Agartha: The inner world corresponding to earth's
  morphogenetic fields. http://www.caus.org/os041900.htm
# How to tell if you've been contacted by space aliens:
  http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/archive/stories/1347.html
# USAF Warns: One In Four Ufo Pilots Is Drunk!
  http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/archive/stories/1638.html

: Have you had any near-misses with inebriated UFO pilots lately? Were they
flying new/old Indian/Govt/Alien/Nazi craft? Were you/they aiming for those
subterranean portals when you/they augered in? Should the portals be bigger?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dotcom CEOs are vapid, empty, shallow - and that's the good ones. Able
  staff are hard to find: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000418-03.html
# She wanted to turn herself into a dot-com, but found that an unemployed
  philosopher already owned her name. Along with 130 other writers. Darn.
 http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/03/29/timartart02003.html

# THE MARKET ON PROZAC? The press has been preoccupied with explanations for
  the current extraordinary boom. Many articles say, as they always do while
  a bubble grows,that this market is "different." Some attribute the differ-
  ence to new information technology.Others credit changes in foreign trade,
  or the baby boomer's lack of experience with a real economic depression.
  But you never see a serious story abo

[CTRL] Easter Canceled This Year!

[blue honey]

Easter Canceled This Year!Author Unknown
Jerusalem, April 15, 1995- -Archeologists who have 
been excavating in the hills above Jerusalem announced today the discovery of a 
2000-year-old mummy bearing puncture wounds through the hands and feet and a 
deep laceration in the lower left chest. Scientists noted that there was a large 
accumulation of blood in the lower body, consistent with the body having been 
upright at the time of death. Carbon dating of the body and its burial shroud 
indicated death had occurred 1990 +-95 years ago. The archeologists stated that 
in spite of its age, the body was well preserved in the dry air of the hidden, 
sealed cave. 
A senior archeologist, asked if this was the body of 
Jesus Christ, refused to comment, but agreed that "the evidence is not 
inconsistent with that hypothesis." A younger archeologist, who requested 
anonymity, said "This is the corpse of Christ. Period. They're just going to 
have to cancel Easter this year." 
 
A Vatican spokesman said that such a discovery was 
impossible, because they had the true burial cloth of Christ, the Shroud of 
Turin. Asked to explain its carbon date of approximately 1300 AD, the spokesman 
repeated the Vatican position that there was a burst of radiation at the time of 
the resurrection. In a separate news conference, another spokesman said that a 
careful reading of the Bible and Catholic doctrine would show that they were 
"not inconsistent" with such a discovery. 
 
Ronald Reagan, former President of the United States, 
announced outrage that such a discovery should be made. In Lynchburg, Virginia, 
Jerry Falwell, leader of Moral Majority, denounced it as "an attempt by 
atheistic scientists to undermine the Constitution." 
 
Armed troops were patrolling the Christian sections of 
Jerusalem after the Chief Rabbi commented that he "had always known the 
resurrection was a myth." The Israeli government ordered him to make no further 
statements on the discovery. 

Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] "Christianity is worth IT" (fwd)

[Foxter]

Clarification:
 
I should have added that 
many designate themselves Christians, call themselves Christians.  But God 
will reject some of them - "many" of them.
 
Sorry for the hit and 
run.

   
  
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of FoxterSent: 19 April 2000 12:01To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] "Christianity is worth IT" 
(fwd)

  Also "The flock is small"; and "Straight is the gate and narrow is 
  the wayand few there be that find it."So how do you reconcile 
  that with the huge numbers of "Christians"?
   
   
   
    
  You reconcile it by recognizing that 
    
  Jesus said Not every one 
  that saith unto me,
    
  Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of
   
   heaven; but he that doeth the will of my 
    
  Father which is in heaven.  Many will say 
   
   to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
   
   prophesied in thy name? and in thy name
   
   have cast out devils? and in thy name done
   
   many wonderful works?  And then will I 
    
  profess unto them, I never knew you: 
    
  depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
   
   Matthew 
  7:21-23 
   
   
  Well, thats cleared that up 
  then.

Re: [CTRL] Negatives from film shot at Waco are Missing (fwd)

[Bill Kingsbury]

>   This roll of film is important because it appears
>   to show that there are no government agents
>   standing where flashes show up on infrared
>   surveillance tape of the incident. The absence of
>   agents undercuts the Branch Davidians' claim
>   that the flashes are from the guns of agents
>   firing into the complex.


ARMED, CAMOUFLAGED, REMOTE-CONTROLLED ROBOTS
PROVE THEIR METTLE AT WACO -- MISSION GOALS
ACHIEVED, PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY A SUCCESS.

IT NEVER HAPPENED.


At 06:26 AM 4-18-2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Monday, April 17, 2000
>
>   Negatives from film shot at Waco
>   are missing, U.S. says
>
>By William H. Freivogel and
>   Terry Ganey
>   Of the Post-Dispatch
>
> The Justice Department admitted Monday that
>   it could not find the original negatives of an
>   important roll of film taken on the last day of
>   the siege of the Branch Davidians' complex. But
>   it said it had not tampered with those photos or
>   with infrared and electronic surveillance tapes of
>   the 1993 episode that left about 80 Branch
>   Davidians dead.
>
>   The government acknowledged in a court filing
>   Monday that it is missing 30 original negatives
>   from the first of at least seven rolls of film shot
>   by an FBI photographer who circled 1,000 feet
>   above the complex in a Cessna surveillance
>   aircraft.
>
>   The government, however, does have prints of
>   the missing negatives and the original contact
>   sheet of the negatives.
>
>   This roll of film is important because it appears
>   to show that there are no government agents
>   standing where flashes show up on infrared
>   surveillance tape of the incident. The absence of
>   agents undercuts the Branch Davidians' claim
>   that the flashes are from the guns of agents
>   firing into the complex.
>
>   One strip of original negatives from that first
>   roll of film has been turned over to the federal
>   court that is hearing the Branch Davidians'
>   wrongful death suit against the government.
>   That strip contains a key photograph that
>   appears to have been taken at 11:24 a.m.,
>   within seconds of flashes on the video. That
>   photograph shows no agents in the vicinity of
>   the flashes.
>
>   But the other negatives from that roll of film
>   have been missing since at least 1997 and have
>   not been found despite an extensive search by
>   the FBI, the Justice Department said. Agents
>   searched for the negatives at least five times.
>
>   The department said that the strip of original
>   negatives with the photo from 11:24 a.m. was
>   separated from the missing original negatives
>   when Congress requested it as part of its 1995
>   investigation of Waco.
>
>   A document analyst with the Special Photo Unit
>   of the FBI, identified only as "ALS," found that
>   the negatives were missing around April 1997.
>   The FBI then made a duplicate set of the
>   negatives from photographs and marked them
>   with the notation "originals lost."
>
>   The Davidians' attorney, Michael Caddell, had
>   claimed that one of the photos from the
>   replacement negatives had a white scratch that
>   appeared to obliterate a speck that might be a
>   person. But the Justice Department said that
>   the contact sheet, made from the original
>   negative, had no person or speck.
>
>   The Justice Department also disputed Caddell's
>   claim that several rolls of the film were missing.
>   The photographer taking the film that said he
>   took about 10 rolls, give or take one or two. The
>   FBI produced seven rolls. In Monday's court
>   filing, the department produced logs and records
>   that appear to show that only seven rolls were
>   shot and developed.
>
>   The government argued in its court filing that it
>   should not be fined for any discrepancies
>   involving the photos or tapes.
>
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] "Christianity is worth IT" (fwd)

[silas]

 
 
 

  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FoxterSent: 
  19 April 2000 12:01To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] "Christianity is worth IT" (fwd)
  
Also "The flock is small"; and "Straight is the gate and narrow is the 
wayand few there be that find it."So how do you reconcile that 
with the huge numbers of "Christians"?
 
 
 
  
You reconcile it by recognizing that 
  
Jesus said Not every one that 
saith unto me,
  
Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of
 
 heaven; but he that doeth the will of my 
  
Father which is in heaven.  Many will say 
 
 to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
 
 prophesied in thy name? and in thy name
 
 have cast out devils? and in thy name done
 
 many wonderful works?  And then will I 
  
profess unto them, I never knew you: 
  
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
 Matthew 
7:21-23 
 
 
Well, thats cleared that up 
then.

Re: [CTRL] **** !!Forum Administrator?

[Foxter]

  DAVE FOR VEEP OF THE PIG PEN.
  KUDOS for countering the inane (well, most of them) 
  quotes.
   
  
  I did not so much decry the 
  word and its value, or lack thereof - as ask i did question the apparent 
  double standard?
   
  > ~~~> Integrity has no 
  need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
  Except Camoo's - 
  obviously?
  > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
  + + + + + + + +> The only real voyage of discovery consists not in 
  seeking> new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel 
  Proust
  If the latter do not desire 
  the former - then what is the purpose?
   
  > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
  + + + + + +> "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who 
  said> it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with 
  your> own reason and your common sense." --Buddha
  Pure Humanistic twaddle - a 
  Buddhist once said he believed in neither "good nor evil" - it was then 
  proposed that a hot pot of boiled water be placed above his head - since their 
  was no good or evil in the enlightened ones "common sense" - it was then 
  suggested that the hot water be poured on his head - the room was quickly 
  vacated by the holy man! To many Nazi's, the Holocaust was reasonable and 
  commonse sense affair - was it not?
   
  > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
  + + + + + +> It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything 
  else, that> prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand 
  Russell
  Russell was wont to 
  pompously bleat his religion of atheism - here, he seems to plagiarise the 
  bible- "the LOVE of money (possessions) is the root of all evil" without 
  apparent qualm.
  > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
  + + + + + + + +> "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and 
  impart> information and ideas through any media and regardless> 
  of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights> + + + + + + + + + 
  + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
  Depends who is IN CHARGE of 
  your version of "human rights" - Communists professed "human rights" and 
  murdered millions, as did the Vatican who professed reverence for human life. 
  
   
  Human "rights" are mostly 
  concocted by humanists - and as such, are as fickle as the finite human mind 
  that invented them.
  > "Always do sober what you said you'd do 
  drunk. That will> teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest 
  Hemingway
  Obviously didn't subscribe 
  to his own drunken waffle.
   

Re: [CTRL] SHI_!!! Forum Administrator?

[Foxter]

I agree with Tara, with J2 
in particular being allowed to flame purposely.  I had long ago ignored 
his/her posts, figuring s/he was a nutcake.  There is another person on the 
list I ignore, too.  Just like some ignore me.
 
J2 calls himself/herself an 
elder of zion [sic elder of the pig pen] but no matter how long s/he has 
been on this list s/he seems to have more interest in ego gratification 
through vacuous postings than s/he does in rational conspiracy discussion.  
I guess seniority counts in the pig pen.
 
I do see that there is a 
limiting factor in the use of some words:  when flaming entails "fighting 
words" (which btw are not protected under the First Amendment) like "shi_" or 
"shithea_" then Kris has a duty to protect the list.  Traditionally words 
used to call people names are within the penumbra of "fighting words", depending 
on the provocation involved.
 
I see the problem as that the words 
"Jesu_" and "Christianit_" are fighting words to some, they seem to get all 
riled up over the King of King and Lord of Lords but breathe deeply over false 
prophets and apostles like Mohammad or What's-her-name who built a bomb 
shelter in Ohio for Church Triumphant, or even Jim Jones.  My favorite FP 
is Mary Baker Eddy.  Yet the 
First Amendment protects religious expression and moreover these are not 
fighting words in the law.
 
Internally figure.

   I think it makes a diffence whom you call a shit. If it's an 
  abortionist,people email Kris and complain, if it's an entire faith like 
  Christianity, Iguess it's okay with everyone on the list but us 
  :(And gee, I guess if you're J2 you can flame people individually and 
  callthem shithead. I hope not. Let's see what comes of these comments in 
  thelight of recent events on the 
list.Tara

Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] "Christianity is worth IT" (fwd)

[Foxter]

  Also "The flock is small"; and "Straight is the gate and narrow is the 
  wayand few there be that find it."So how do you reconcile that 
  with the huge numbers of "Christians"?
   
   
   
    
  You reconcile it by recognizing that 
    
  Jesus said Not every one that 
  saith unto me,
    
  Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of
   
   heaven; but he that doeth the will of my 
    
  Father which is in heaven.  Many will say 
   
   to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
   
   prophesied in thy name? and in thy name
   
   have cast out devils? and in thy name done
   
   many wonderful works?  And then will I 
    
  profess unto them, I never knew you: 
    
  depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
   
   Matthew 
  7:21-23 
   

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Ananova: http://www.ananova.com./video/launchpad.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Privacy-loving space aliens smack down on SETI! A SETI radio telescope has
  been destroyed and scientists fear that space aliens may be responsible. A
  "pulsating blue beam" streaked out of the sky & slammed into the 250-foot
  Rand Wilson telescope near Johannesburg, South Africa, lighting up the
  facility and a quarter-mile area surrounding it. Now tangle of twisted
  metal: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000419-04.html [Thanks, Gerardo!]

# Mysterious 'Area 51' Photos Prompt Web Meltdown. SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) -
  Perhaps the aliens pulled the plug. A US firm's move to post Russian spy
  satellite photos of 'Area 51', the mysterious USAF test site in Nevada, on
  the Internet prompted a Web meltdown on Tuesday as UFO buffs jammed its
  computers. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2418/wr/life_area_1.html
@ Join the Area51 Photo Jam Now: http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/groom.htm

: Have you been attacked by aliens lately? Were you attacked physically/dig-
itally/virtually/spiritually? Have you defended yourself? Are you effective?
Do you have photos of the battlegrounds/bases/destruction? Posted'em yet???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Native American Astronomy - Observatory in Stone? Tribe Near Tacoma May
  Have Mapped the Stars. TACOMA, Wash. (AP) — Archaeologists are studying a
  mysterious "Skystone" they believe could have been used as an observatory
  200 years ago by ancestors of the Puyallup Tribe. A 3-dimensional map of
  the heavens and Earth: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9699789

: Have you read PREHISTORIC ASTRONOMY IN THE SOUTHWEST by Malville & Putnam
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1555661165/sr=1-4/104-0957235-0653221
lately? Or maybe EARLY MAN AND THE COSMOS by Evan Hadingham [a little older]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806119195/sr=1-2/104-0957235-0653221
or anything else relevant to Native American archaeoastronomy? Do you know
about the observatories of the Pawnee, Chumash, 'Anasazi', Incas, etc? Were
these peoples aided/controlled by ETs, or did they figure it out themselves?

# Argentina Building Largest Cosmic Ray Observatory - targeted by aliens
  already? http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters2418_3718.html
# Universities & Telescope Envy: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9700405
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Space rockets to fire from plane. (BBC) A Russian firm planning to launch
  satellites into space from rockets dropped out of planes says it will be
  ready for its first mission in 2003. Much cheaper to put satellites into
  orbit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_718000/718351.stm

# Sea Launch crash is bitter blow: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9699317
# Ariane soars to success (BBC) http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9699316
# The roaring business of rockets: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9699315

# Microsoft: World spins in wrong direction - but don't worry, their tech
  staff has a fix: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000418-12.html

: Have you launched any rockets from land/sea/plane/balloon/space lately? Do
you have to account for the direction of Earth's rotation? Do your rockets
always crash because you point'em the wrong way? Can BillGates fix that? Eh?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ GENETICS PLUS TIME. It does look as if Darwin was, more or less, right.
  Most new discoveries fit well into his ideas. At the end of the century
  biology looks like a more straight-forward science than it did even 20
  years ago, which is a bit surprising, because, to the public, life seems
  fundamentally a mess. http://edge.org/3rd_culture/jones/jones_index.html

@ Doctor’s Office: Enter at your own risk! When a patient comes into a med-
  ical office, there are invisible forces that are put into play. The doctor
  sees it as his duty to "fix your symptoms" and thus rob you of discovering
  what created them in the first place. Your compromised state of mind:
  http://www.homeopathyusa.com/doctors_office_enter_at_your_own.htm

: Does your homeopathist know/care what the scientific method is? Does your
biologist know/care what homeopathy is? D'ya mind that homeopathy predates
the germ theory of disease, and has no doctrines infection? Do you worry??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# i-don't believe it! Council kiosks to change the world. More government
  guff. Hype breeds hatred: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000418-21.html
# Turkey Debates Cyberspace Controls - guard against security threats,
  see http:

Re: [CTRL] Electronic Weather Control: Why It Doesn't Rain Much Anymore

[silas]

> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Nicky Molloy
> Subject: [CTRL] Electronic Weather Control: Why It Doesn't Rain Much
> Anymore
>
>
> Have you noticed how it¹s not raining much again;
>

No. Its pissing down here again, and has done for weeks.

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[CTRL] Electronic Weather Control: Why It Doesn't Rain Much Anymore

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Electronic Weather Control: Why It Doesn't Rain Much Anymore



Have you noticed how it¹s not raining much again; how most of the weather
fronts that have managed to come through this season have been dissipated
and broken up? Have you noticed the occasional weird cloud shapes that
appear with the few fronts that do manage to pass by? And how the jet stream
has been forced North again? How high pressure ridges continue to dominate
the Southwest?

Some say the rain is being turned on (last year) and off (during the
preceding 7-year drought and again this season) by an irritated and vengeful
God. In reality, however, it is Man who is playing God and doing the dirty
work. None of this is illusory or accidental, for there is powerful and
compelling evidence that the bizarre weather patterns of recent years have
been - to a very large degree - engineered, controlled, and influenced by
both the Russian and American governments. To those of you familiar with the
work of the supermind of Nikola Tesla, the following will not come as much
of a surprise.

On the Fourth of July, 1976, the former Soviet Union began broadcasting
huge, pulsed electromagnetic fields from three gigantic 40-million watt
transmitters which beamed those signals halfway around the world to the U.S.
This electronic assault disrupted and jammed radio and television broadcast
signals, enraged the FCC, and irritated ham radio operators, who quickly
dubbed the signals 'The Russian Woodpecker,' because of their pulsed
cadence.

To date, the Russians have completed nearly 30 of the huge transmitters
which emit signals primarily in the very dangerous 10-Hertz range, otherwise
known as Extreme Low Frequency (ELF). The technology is based on the
brilliant work of the peerless electrical genius, Nikola Tesla. So, what
exactly does the 'Russian Woodpecker' do and how does it do it? Consider the
following:

These 'Tesla' transmitters create massive 'standing' ELF waves that form
major high pressure 'blocking systems' that change the normal high altitude
jet stream pattern, force it to the north, and actually retard the normal
flow patterns of incoming weather systems. Ever notice the television
weather satellite pictures showing the jet stream pushed north and a big
stationary high pressure blocking nearly every major rain system that
approaches the southern half of California?...

Regarding the 7-year drought, which appears to be rearing its arid head
again, the 1/13/93 edition of Discovery Magazine stated:

Scientists would be happy if they learned one thing from this (seven year)
drought: What causes the massive high pressure system to build up just off
the California coast and stay there, like a double-parked delivery truck in
rush-hour traffic, pushing storms to the north?
Odd things were also being reported back in the winters of the early 1980's:

A ridge of high pressure has hovered nearly 800 miles off the California
Coast for the past two months, blocking the usual flow of moist air from the
Pacific.
 --Time 1/1981
For the past four months, a single weather pattern...causing the drought is
one of the most unusual national patterns ever recorded...such long lasting
(high pressure) centers were unheard of until 1977 (when the Soviets began
the 'Woodpecker' transmissions --ed.)
 --Washington Post 2/2/81
It is important to note that the end of the 7-year California drought in the
winter of 1992-93 coincided exactly with the well-documented period of
intense solar magnetic storms that disrupted all electromagnetic
transmissions here on Earth including the 'Woodpecker.'

Last summer's Midwest flooding was probably no accident, either.

An unusual shift in the jet stream, acting as a barrier (is causing the
floods)...
 --Newsweek 7/26/93
The stagnant high pressure zone acted like a barrier, preventing the normal
flow of weather patterns from west to east...
 New York Times 7/29/93
It is extremely unusual for weather patterns to persist for so many weeks.
The reasons for the weather patterns to become fixed...are unclear.
--Storm, The World Weather Magazine 9/93
As far back in April, 1969, Spectrum, a publication of the prestigious
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, featured an article by
Seymour Tilson which stated:

Workers in the field of atmospheric electricity and cloud physics have
accumulated sufficient evidence to suggest that electric fields in the
Earth¹s lower atmosphere play a critical role...perhaps the critical
role...in the development and behavior of clouds that produces
precipitation.
Mr. Tilson was correct. Exactly one year after the 'birth' of the Russian
Woodpecker, July 4, 1978, the U.S. Government conducted its own ELF weather
experiment which created an enormous downpour of rain over six counties of
northern Wisconsin. This ELF-generated storm generated winds of 157 mph and
caused $50

[CTRL] Microwave harassment & mind control experimentation

[Nicky Molloy]

MICROWAVE HARASSMENT AND MIND-CONTROL EXPERIMENTATION
http://www.webcom.com/~pinknoiz/coldwar/microwave.html
http://www.lambsheart.com/web/hightech.html

SUPPLEMENT


Whither the KGB?


PART 1 - THE PROBLEM SURFACES

The Existing Directed-Energy Arsenal

BIOEFFECTS OF MICROWAVE RADIATION

CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT

PRELIMINARY FINDINGS

PART II -- OVERT AND COVERT HARASSMENT

OVERT HARASSMENT

MIND-CONTROL EXPERIMENTATION

by, Julianne McKinney
Director, Electronic Surveillance Project
Association of National Security Alumni
December 1992

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Re: [CTRL] SHH!!! rum mister? Poley CUT The CRAP, Please , or else . . .

[Kris Millegan]

In a message dated 4/19/00 12:46:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>3. Poley and J2 have been around for years and do alot of joking around
>on
>religious subjects. If you take them seriously , please seek medical
>attention. There is a grain of truth in their humour and it can be
>unsettling.

Probably because of this,  and its usage, I did not even notice the fact that
the WORD was used untill brought to my attention by you post and its ensuing
followers.

If you feel slighted, sorry, but thats the rough and tumble world of email
lists. ;-)

Om
K



Om
K

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Re: [CTRL] SHH!!! rum mister? Poley CUT The CRAP, Please , or else . . .

[Kris Millegan]

1. This is no administration I am a benevolent dictator and I am too darn
busy a have no time for this foolishness.

2. I understand you are a hurt because you got called on you name calling and
I did ask you please not to cuss. But there is a difference in usage, That is
not a defense of Poley's use.

3. Poley and J2 have been around for years and do alot of joking around on
religious subjects. If you take them seriously , please seek medical
attention. There is a grain of truth in their humour and it can be
unsettling.

4. There really is a rhetorical differnce in the usage that was applied and
if you can see that, there is no use in any discourse.

5. And Tara, nobody emailed me about the remark. I ain't PC,  just crabby. I
found the "Shithead remark overly offensive provocation

6. As far as Christianity being a pile of . , well with organized and
much of  what is understood to be Christianity, I personally would concur. I
do believe in Jesus the Nazarene aka The Christ. I do not believe  in much of
the organized dogma and I personaly believe Paul was nuts and a traitor to
his "adopted people" and the world stills pays for his perfidity. MHO

7. No one is forced to subsribe to this list.

8. Please keep DISRUPTION down,  that is the key to not "generating my
wrath.";-)

Om
K

Here was my "castigation" of newmedia

>>Don't be cussing in the headlines and such. And this isn't an abortion
discussion list.

>>Om
>>K

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>Just curious Mr Admin:
>
>
>
>I posted and used the term "shithead" and was castigated by the
>
>administators for a "cussing" - should i have simply used the word "shit"
>
>instead?
>
>
>
>"Shit" does seem to be shovelled about freely here by other posters - so
>...
>
>is there a change in "shit" policy, to which i ought have been advised
>- or
>
>is there a double standard in place here?
>
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>That is, some "shits" are more equal than other "shits" ?
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[CTRL] 'Mossad' warns of attack on Vatican

[David Sutherland]

  'Mossad' warns of attack on 
Vatican
 
    FROM 
RICHARD OWEN IN ROME
  AS the Pope led Palm Sunday ceremonies 
before  100,000 people in St Peter's Square yesterday, police  
were on high alert after a warning to Italy and the Vatican  that there 
could be an "Islamic terrorist attack" on him  over the Easter period. 

 
  The tip-off is said to have come from 
Mossad, the Israeli  security service. The exchange of intelligence is 
said to be  one of the first fruits of the warmer relationship 
between  the Holy See and Israel after the Pope's trip to the 
Holy  Land. 
 
  As part of tightened security measures, all 
those entering  St Peter's Square must now pass through one of 35 
metal  detectors placed between its magnificent 17th-century  
marble columns. Police said that the detectors would be  used whenever 
the Pope was inside the basilica or in the  square. Hidden video 
surveillance cameras have been  installed and the number of 
plainclothes police in the  square and on surrounding rooftops 
increased. 
 
  Commander Roberto Scigliano, the former 
chief of police  in Brindisi, Catania and Bari - all seen as crime "hot 
spots"  - has been appointed to co-ordinate Italian and 
Vatican  security services at St Peter's. 
 
  The Pope, who is nearly 80, is to travel to 
the shrine of  Fatima in Portugal next month to give thanks to the 
Virgin  Mary for saving his life on May 13, 1981 - the feast 
day  of Our Lady of Fatima - when he was wounded in an  
attempted assassination. 
 
  Italian intelligence sources told Il 
Messaggero, the Rome  daily, that terrorists were planning to "strike 
at the heart of  the Catholic Church during the Holy Year". The 
target  was "probably the Pope himself", although other 
targets  were possible, since "what matters is the symbolism of 
an  outrage . . . an attack in or around the Vatican would be  
enough". Diplomats said that it would be intended to  disrupt the 
Middle East peace process and overshadow  the Pope's triumph in the 
Holy Land, when he not only  altered Jewish perceptions of the Church 
but also backed  the moderate Palestinian leadership of Yassir Arafat 
and  endorsed the Palestinian right to a homeland. 
 
   The Vatican is facing embarrassment 
over the prospect  of Jörg Haider, the Austrian far-Right leader, 
standing  next to the Pope when the pontiff blesses a Christmas 
tree  in St Peter's Square to be donated by the region of  
Carinthia, of which Herr Haider is governor. The square's  tree is 
usually donated by one of the countries or regions  of Europe with a 
sizeable Catholic population. Two years  ago, Carinthia was selected 
for 2000. 
 
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/04/17/timfgneur01001.html
 
 
Comment: 
So what's the 
"SPIN" here???
 
 

Re: [CTRL] **** !!Forum Administrator?

[David Sutherland]

I did not so much decry the 
word and its value, or lack thereof - as ask i did question the apparent double 
standard?
 
> ~~~> Integrity has no need 
of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
 
Except Camoo's - 
obviously?
 
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
+ + + + + + +> The only real voyage of discovery consists not in 
seeking> new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel 
Proust
If the latter do not desire 
the former - then what is the purpose?
 
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
+ + + + +> "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who 
said> it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your> 
own reason and your common sense." --Buddha
 
Pure Humanistic twaddle - a 
Buddhist once said he believed in neither "good nor evil" - it was then proposed 
that a hot pot of boiled water be placed above his head - since their was no 
good or evil in the enlightened ones "common sense" - it was then suggested that 
the hot water be poured on his head - the room was quickly vacated by the holy 
man! To many Nazi's, the Holocaust was reasonable and commonse sense affair - 
was it not?
 
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
+ + + + +> It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, 
that> prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand 
Russell
 
Russell was wont to pompously 
bleat his religion of atheism - here, he seems to plagiarise the bible- "the 
LOVE of money (possessions) is the root of all evil" without apparent 
qualm.
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 
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impart> information and ideas through any media and regardless> of 
frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights> + + + + + + + + + + + 
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
 
Depends who is IN CHARGE of 
your version of "human rights" - Communists professed "human rights" and 
murdered millions, as did the Vatican who professed reverence for human life. 

 
Human "rights" are mostly 
concocted by humanists - and as such, are as fickle as the finite human mind 
that invented them.
 
> "Always do sober what you said you'd do 
drunk. That will> teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest 
Hemingway
 
Obviously didn't subscribe to 
his own drunken waffle.
 
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