Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I am told this family is Jewish by many who know everything) and power elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time and they have been completely by-passed by every social program that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and because they are white. There has been no outcry allowed for their injustices just because they are white. No special programs for them, nothing. The poorest of the poor that I have ever personally encountered are white, usually very white. They live in houses with some rooms with dirt floors NOW and I do not know any blacks or Hispanics who do this. Their children are malnourished and they do not qualify for welfare because to get that, they would have to give up their home and it is all they have and has been in their family forever. Go a bit farther South and you hit Cajun country, a veritable nest of power and wealth?? Well, they are white, aren't they? I guess they just want to live like that. I do not think that the powerful have made any difference in their exploitation. It is about poverty and oppression and socio-economics and not about skin color. They are equal opportunity oppressors. Attempting to render middle-class whites powerless when they do not have any more power than anybody else is really alienating them. Because there are more of them does not make their difficulties any less valid. Because they do not riot and complain and whine does not mean they have life any easier than any other group. I just don't buy your 'justification' at all and if it is not only OK but commendable for one ethnic group to promote and defend themselves, it is for ALL to do so. Whites have just as much right to their own culture as any other ethnic group. Reverse discrimination is as morally wrong as direct discrimination and that is all this is and that is what you condoning. I also think this race-baiting by minorities has gone too far. As for these people being so stupid, please point out to me the more enlightened ethnic organizations. Let me guess. Could the initials be ADL, based on your prior claims to more education and sophistication. These poor whites lack all of that so who has the real advantage? Being in the majority does NOT make any group automatically racist. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating that it is racist for whites to do the identical actions of other races or ethnic groups and that it is only racist for whites to do so? Amelia European American Issues Forum Purpose Statement European/American Issues Forum CW Kuhn, Secretary--M. Piercy, Treasurer--FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Louis Calabro, President--Aida T. Cordano, Vice President The Principal Purposes of the European/American Issues Forum are: 1. To offer a safe and comfortable place for European-Americans to discuss social, economic, cultural, political and related issues that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern California and beyond. 2. To promote the general welfare of our members. 3. To honor our heritage through celebration, recognition and education. 4. To minimize the effects of racial, ethnic and national origin discrimination and defamation on its members, and to likewise recognize an identical privilege in behalf of all other groups. 5. To
Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football
-Caveat Lector- Yes, J2, I know lots about Damn Yankees, thank you for asking. This State produces a huge number of very gifted athletes, the majority of whom are Black by far. Although sometimes exploited, the majority go on the success that they would not have access to otherwise. It is their only ticket to financial opportunities on that scale. While I do enjoy football, it is not an obsession and I mostly am proud and happy to see these kids doing well. I hope some day you will develop a heart. ~Amelia~not holding her breath - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ah, thank you for yet another lesson in how tolerance works. Silly me used to think it went both ways but I have come to understand differently from my encounter with you folks. Both topics are addressed in the New Testament, sort of updated if you will. We are even allowed to eat shrimp. There is also an admonition about calling that which is clean, unclean and that which is good, evil but you wouldn't like that part either. And, J2, I happen to know that God loves football, especially college and I even know which one is his favorite team. Hint: how else could a school with only 7,000 enrollment win the National Champ six times? Sort of a David and Goliath thing. Didn't you see Damn Yankees??? J2 Interesting how an innocuous post about lightening becomes that target of religious hatred. Consider the source. ~Amelia~ This is not about religious hatred. It's about hatred of football. I can't tell which is more offensive to you. J2 - Original Message - From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football practice -Caveat Lector- From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:12:28 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football practice Just an item of local interest for this was one of those mysterious episodes of lightening on a clear day with no rain, clouds, etc. So what is one to do? Assume lightening can strike at any time? Could this be manufactured and weather mod or Woodpecker Redux? Not at all. GOD HATES FOOTBALL. its all in Leviticus. the same book of the bible that condemns homosexuality also says that handle the flesh of a pig is anathema. interesting how some people take one line as the inviolable word of god, and the other as something unimportant to disregard J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ken Starr's New Case
-Caveat Lector- This is clearly conflict of interest and explains why Star was such a shill of the Clinton Administration on Chinagate. He is lawyer for a party to it and thus a part of it. So much for independent counsel. Most all political misconduct in recent years pales in comparison to this. Now we can begin to understand why Starr chose to investigate the sex scandal while ignoring the much more serious Chinagate. ~Amelia~ September 10, 2001 Ken Starr's New Case During the struggle to impeach Bill Clinton, THE NEW AMERICAN repeatedly asked why both Congress and Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr chose to focus upon Clinton's sexual misconduct and related offenses rather than upon the bribery and treason involved in the Chinagate scandal. This was even more peculiar in light of the fact that Starr, whose original assignment was to investigate the Whitewater affair, had a clear chain of evidence linking that scandal to Chinagate. The odd prosecutorial priorities displayed by Starr appear even odder in retrospect, now that the former special prosecutor has turned up as a defense witness for Mark Jimenez, who is among the scores of figures implicated in illegal fundraising activities who have fled the country. The Whitewater/Chinagate nexus inexplicably ignored by Starr was Assistant Attorney General Webster Hubbell, a longtime crony of the Clinton clique who had resigned from the Justice Department after being charged with fraud in the Whitewater affair. In May 1994, Hubbell agreed to cooperate with federal investigators in exchange for a reduced sentence. Destitute and facing a prison term, Hubbell suddenly received a lump sum of $600,000 in consulting fees, the largest portion of which came from Indonesia's Lippo conglomerate. Lippo is tightly connected to the Communist Chinese regime, and Lippo chieftains James and Mochtar Riady, according to a Senate investigation, have had a long-term relationship with a Chinese intelligence agency. The Riadys also had a long-standing relationship with Bill Clinton. When Clinton's campaign faltered following the Gennifer Flowers disclosures in early 1992, it was Lippo-connected banking interests that provided a critical loan to keep the campaign alive. The Riadys were also key donors to the Clinton-Gore reelection campaign in 1996. The Lippo hush money thrown at Hubbell induced him to remain silent, when he was in a position to testify against both Bill and Hillary. In exchange, Bill Clinton personally saw to it that Lippo employee (and identified Chinese agent) John Huang was given a critical Commerce Department post. Huang used his position to gather valuable intelligence for both Lippo and China, and to help coordinate illegal campaign fundraising efforts. The Lippo/Hubbell/Whitewater connection should have piqued the interest of any competent investigator. Instead, Starr ignored the issue, choosing to rack up a statistically impressive - but ultimately irrelevant - record convicting minor Whitewater players. After wrapping up his work as special prosecutor, Starr retreated into anonymity - only to emerge as a defense attorney for fugitive businessman-turned-Philippine Congressman Mark Jimenez. Jimenez, a major figure in the Clinton fundraising scandals, fled the United States in November 1998, just as Congress was preparing to impeach Bill Clinton on Lewinsky-related charges. A resident alien at the time of his flight, Jimenez had been indicted in September of that year for making nearly $40,000 in illegal campaign contributions to the Democrat National Committee in 1994 and 1996. Along with associates in his computer firm, Future Tech International, Jimenez was accused of funneling donations to the Clinton-Gore campaign through company employees. This practice, called conduit contributions, is a way of circumventing legal limits on campaign contributions. As a citizen of the Philippines, Jimenez was barred from making direct contributions to political campaigns. Jimenez, who first met Bill Clinton in 1994, gave over $800,000 to various Democrat Party causes. He sank $100,000 into the restoration of Bill Clinton's childhood home in Arkansas; he also gave generously to Democrat Senators Bob Torricelli of New Jersey and Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts. He was an honored guest at the notorious February 6, 1996 White House coffee that was also attended by Communist Chinese smuggler Wang Jun. At that meeting, notes columnist Michelle Malkin, Jimenez lobbied the administration on behalf of Paraguay, where his firm had major business interests. A month after that meeting, Clinton allowed Paraguay to continue receiving U.S. aid despite restrictions on other Latin American governments that fail to control cocaine smuggling. Following his indictment, Jimenez fled to the Philippines, where he became tight with Joseph Estrada, who was Clintonesque in his corruption and arrogance. It was Estrada's belief, notes Philippine journalist Mark Concepcion, that a popular
[CTRL] Fw: Fearful Female Students Take Up Arms
~Amelia~ Fearful Female Students Take Up Arms Saturday, September 08, 2001 Young women terrified of a serial rapist in the college city of Fort Collins, Colo., have taken their safety and protection into their own hands — arming themselves with handguns and joining the ranks of gun rights advocates. "I don't want to live in fear, I don't want to be afraid about going out at night. I just want him to know not everyone is going to be submissive," a 23-year-old college student said Friday as she announced she had obtained a .38-caliber special revolver. The woman, a Colorado State University economics major who asked to be only identified as "Annie," was given the gun by Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, a pro-gun lobbying group that had also trained Annie to use the weapon. Speaking at a press conference called by the gun group on the CSU campus, Annie brandished her new gun permit before the crowd and said she had also received a concealed weapons permit to carry the gun on campus. She said one of the six rapes that have shocked the city since the rapist first struck in May occurred just one block from her apartment. According to a spokesman for the gun group, four other students on the CSU campus have gun permits. CSU spokesman Tom Milligan said university officials would prefer students rely on safety measures, including escorts and increased security, provided by the school, but Milligan said those students with legal permits will be allowed to carry guns. "That's the law of the land," he said. The young woman's public announcement of her taking up of arms is a sign of the fear percolating among the 120,000 residents of Fort Collins, located about 60 miles north of Denver. Many residents have tightened security and begun locking windows and doors. Others have asked friends to stay with them. Firearms sales at Hamblen Sales have increased, and pepper spray has been flying off the shelves. The news conference was held shortly before CSU and city officials convened a meeting to discuss ways to heighten awareness about the serial rapist. The first attack was in May; the most recent was in August. In all six cases, a woman in her twenties was attacked in her apartment. Police say the assailant entered the homes through unlocked doors or windows. Under Colorado law, people with legal permits may carry guns on campus, but students are prohibited from keeping them in dormitory rooms. The use of guns drew a mixed reaction among students of the 23,000-student campus. SaraJoy Pond, a 20-year-old graphics design major, said she is uncomfortable knowing someone sitting next to her in class may have a gun. "I don't think it solves the problem. I wouldn't carry a gun," she said. Meanwhile, an 11-member police task force has been assigned to the case full-time. Police patrols also have increased. Jacob Leis, 20, of Sterling said he would like to have a gun on campus, but police said they would not allow it without a permit. He said he cannot afford a permit. "I need it for safety, and I believe it's my right," he said. Campus Police Capt. Bob Chaffee said officials are trying to discourage other students from getting gun permits. "It doesn't strike me that it makes the campus any safer to have a lot of guns on campus," he said. Annie obtained her permit under a state law that gives local authorities the right to issue gun permits. Some departments have been liberal, handing them out to people across the state, while others have refused almost every request. The permits are valid everywhere in the state, except where prohibited by federal law. Federal law prohibits firearms in courthouses, post offices and international airports. Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden sent a list of 820 current permits to local police departments, including campus police. Campus police said they check the list when they get domestic complaints or other crimes to see if the person under investigation is carrying a gun, but they do not check the list for students. Alderden did not return phone calls seeking comment on the student's permit. To get a permit in Larimer County, applicants are required to take a handgun safety course, pass a background check and pay a $130 fee. The permits are good for as long as the sheriff stays in office. The Associated Press contributed to this report. FOXNews.com
Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yes, J2, I know lots about Damn Yankees, thank you for asking. This State produces a huge number of very gifted athletes, How many gifted scientists does the state produce? the majority of whom are Black by far. Although sometimes exploited, the majority go on the success that they would not have access to otherwise. You've got to be kidding. It is their only ticket to financial opportunities on that scale. It's not their ONLY ticket. They could actually get an education and go into some productive line of work instead of stupid entertainment. While I do enjoy football, it is not an obsession and I mostly am proud and happy to see these kids doing well. I hope some day you will develop a heart. What does that have to do with football? J2 ~Amelia~not holding her breath - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ah, thank you for yet another lesson in how tolerance works. Silly me used to think it went both ways but I have come to understand differently from my encounter with you folks. Both topics are addressed in the New Testament, sort of updated if you will. We are even allowed to eat shrimp. There is also an admonition about calling that which is clean, unclean and that which is good, evil but you wouldn't like that part either. And, J2, I happen to know that God loves football, especially college and I even know which one is his favorite team. Hint: how else could a school with only 7,000 enrollment win the National Champ six times? Sort of a David and Goliath thing. Didn't you see Damn Yankees??? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I am told this family is Jewish by many who know everything) They are Baptists and Episcopalians. Not Jewish sects as far as I know. and power elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time and they have been completely by-passed by every social program that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and because they are white. Bullshit. Many of the original poverty programs were set up with these people in mind. And what is the cause for their oppression? It's not their color. It's not their religion. What could it be? There has been no outcry allowed for their injustices just because they are white. No special programs for them, nothing. The poorest of the poor that I have ever personally encountered are white, usually very white. They live in houses with some rooms with dirt floors NOW and I do not know any blacks or Hispanics who do this. Well I do. I worked in Harlen and the South Bronx. Anyhow, this isn't a suffering contest. No one should live like this. Their children are malnourished and they do not qualify for welfare because to get that, they would have to give up their home and it is all they have and has been in their family forever. Go a bit farther South and you hit Cajun country, a veritable nest of power and wealth?? Well, they are white, aren't they? I guess they just want to live like that. I do not think that the powerful have made any difference in their exploitation. Then you understand nothing. It is about poverty and oppression and socio-economics and not about skin color. They are equal opportunity oppressors. Attempting to render middle-class whites powerless when they do not have any more power than anybody else is really alienating them. Because there are more of them does not make their difficulties any less valid. Because they do not riot and complain and whine does not mean they have life any easier than any other group. I just don't buy your 'justification' at all and if it is not only OK but commendable for one ethnic group to promote and defend themselves, it is for ALL to do so. Poor whites can't defend themselves as an ethnic group since the White ethnic group is in control. But they can defend themselves as a social or economic class together with other ethnic groups who suffer poverty for the same reason. Capitalism. No one can take seriously a group who whines about the horrors of being White in America. Whites have just as much right to their own culture as any other ethnic group. Absolutely. Reverse discrimination is as morally wrong as direct discrimination and that is all this is and that is what you condoning. I don't condon this. I also think this race-baiting by minorities has gone too far. As for these people being so stupid, please point out to me the more enlightened ethnic organizations. Let me guess. Could the initials be ADL, based on your prior claims to more education and sophistication. These poor whites lack all of that so who has the real advantage? Being in the majority does NOT make any group automatically racist. Not automatically. They have to work at it. J2 ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Germany Seeks To Ban Islam : Says Islamics Are Engaged I
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/2001 12:11:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Schily said that the Islamic community's hostility towards Israel made its existence unacceptable to the German government, and cited in particular the fact that many Muslims were refusing to shop at Jewish stores as an act fo solidarity with the Palestinians. Schily said that boycotting businesses that work with Israel was criminal and anti-Semitic, and that any criticism of the Jewish state was unacceptable in German society. How interesting. Do Jews shop at Muslim stores? This move is understandable. Any criticism of the Jewish State of Israel is unacceptable anywhere. God, Himself, would not dare to criticize Israel. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews and Palestinians InsideIsrael
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/2001 5:44:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody is making them stay are they? They can leave anytime. Just like my ancestors did. Just like your ancestors did. Just like all Americans' ancestors did whaen they didn't like where they were. Right? Well that depends. My ancestors left England and Italy voluntarily. They may have suffered from poverty, but no one was shooting at them or slapping them around just for standing there. Do tell me about your ancestors. My ancestors were accepted into the United States of course. Perhaps we should invite any Palestinians who wish to leave the hallowed land of Israel to come here. They could become U.S. citizens and visit Israel to vote in local elections. Sounds good to me. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Teachers, guns and zero-tolerance (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/07/2001 8:16:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When she left the bag unattended for a short period in her classroom, a colleague opened it and found the gun. No one was hurt. It was an unfortunate accident. Mrs. Esteban says she would never do anything deliberately to put children in harm's way. What interesting colleagues this lady has. I think I'll start looking into people's handbags; I'm sure they won't mind. It must be one of those inalienable rights I've missed. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Bill Howard wrote: Condit could have, and should have survived this mess. He dug his own grave with the way he handled it. Hear! Hear! If Condit at the beginning of this thing had just come forward and said Yeah, I had an affair with Chandra Levy, and that's something just between me, her, and my wife and family, no one else's business. I have no idea what happened to Chandra, but I will lend my full cooperation to the DC police, and I extend my wholehearted support to Chandra's parents in this difficult time..and then actually have followed up with those promises, the story would have quickly faded from the headlines... It's his own waffling, equivocating, and deliberate obstruction of justice that pushed this story to the fore... Know he's known as a sexual preditor, and a pervert for some of the sexual things that it is said that he likes to engage in. If he had been more forthcoming at the beginging of this mess he may have escaped the label of pervert. You know, that in and of itself doesn't concern me...basically I feel whatever consenting adults wish to do sexually is their own business. What bothers me about Condit is the way he, his family and his staff, have such a cavalier attitude regarding Levy's disappearance...I have yet to see one of them express real concern for her welfare and for her parents...with them it's all centered around Condit, 'poor Gary' this, 'poor Gary' that... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] HIV+ Moms Reject AIDS Drugs (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:04:53 -0700 Orgone Biophysical Research Lab http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** Fantastic article series in the September/October 2001 Mothering Magazine, debunking infectious HIV AIDS Hysteria, with a focus upon obstetrical fascism and quack AIDS Testing of mothers. Get the magazine for all the articles. Here, we reproduce one of the articles now being circulated on internet. There are five parts, and I will post one out each day for the next five days. Please circulate far and wide! And get the magazine, too, at local newstands, or from http://www.mothering.com James DeMeo + What follows is Part 1 of 5 of Mothering Magazine's Special Report: HIV, Families Medical Justice. To respond write to: Your Letters Mothering Magazine P.O. Box 1690 Sante Fe, NM 87504 Phone: (505) 984-6299 Fax: (505) 986-8335 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Mothering Magazine September/October 2001 www.mothering.com Safe and Sound Underground - HIV-positive Women Birthing Outside the System By Susan Gerhard If Dana had conceived her child just one month earlier, she might have had the birth experience she had always imagined. Instead, she found herself in a cramped hospital office being informed by the Chief of Pediatric Immunology that if she decided to breastfeed her two-day-old daughter, Nia, or did not follow any other of her doctor's recommendations -- he wanted to immediately give Nia a potent cell-killer, AZT -- Dana would be reported for neglect, and her daughter could be taken away. Dana, a single mother, asked if she could call her family and get their advice, but the doctor told her that she had no time; she had to concede immediately or be turned over to the authorities. Three other doctors stood in the doorway in suits and lab coats as Dana, dressed only in her pajamas, was given the ultimatum. She had not slept for three and a half days. One month earlier, New York State had begun implementing a new requirement in its mandatory newborn HIV testing laws. Results of the tests would have to come back within 48 hours so that the child could be treated, and the mother advised, before they even left the hospital. Dana (not her real name) got caught in the dragnet. Nine years earlier she had tested positive for HIV. Doctors initially told her she had too many T cells to medicate, however, and she wondered whether her HIV result might have been an error. Dana had Epstein-Barr virus, which is known to create false positives on certain HIV tests.(1) She had remained healthy without medication, and she felt the HIV she supposedly carried might never actually make her sick. So she hadn't planned to reveal her HIV status to her doctors. But when she received a letter from the hospital informing her of changes in the law, she realized she would be one of its first targets. Faced with the choice of either following instructions she felt would cause immediate harm to her baby or losing her child altogether, Dana did what many HIV-positive mothers feel they must do: she faked it. She agreed to follow the doctors' instructions. But when she walked down the hallway to her room, she was greeted by a lactation consultant, who apparently hadn't gotten word of Dana's predicament and was there to assist her with breastfeeding Nia. Dana didn't see any reason why she shouldn't. She just pulled the curtain around the bed and went with it. When treating pregnant women who test positive for HIV, most physicians follow US Public Health Service guidelines, which include aggressive combinations of anti-HIV drugs during pregnancy and AZT administered intravenously during labor, followed by formula feeding and six weeks of AZT for newborns, whether or not they test positive.(2) But many doctors, like Dana's add their own codicil -- a call to Child Protective Services if the parent doesn't comply. The only way to avoid such Orwellian scenarios, many HIV-positive parents feel, is to go underground. They decline tests in 48 states where that is still allowable, look for the rare midwife knowledgeable about the reasons why a person would test HIV-positive but still be healthy, buy the AZT their doctors prescribe and flush it down the toilet, and stock formula and bottles in their cabinets while breastfeeding on he sly. They want to avoid the fate of the defiant mothers whose stories haunt the internet and talk-show circuits -- Sophie Brassard in Montreal, whose two sons were taken away when she refused to treat them with AIDS drugs; Kathleen Tyson in Eugene, Oregon, who was court-ordered not to breastfeed her new son; and the Camden, UK, family who decided to flee the country to avoid having their child tested for HIV.(3) Dana found out that she didn't have to get tested (although Nia did) by talking to a lawyer from the HIV Law Project in Manhattan,
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/10/2001 9:00:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What bothers me about Condit is the way he, his family and his staff, have such a cavalier attitude regarding Levy's disappearance...I have yet to see one of them express real concern for her welfare and for her parents...with them it's all centered around Condit, 'poor Gary' this, 'poor Gary' that... Let's face it. Guys do not really care about the girls with whom they share casual sex. Girls should be aware of this fact. They may find it hard to take, but it's just the way it is. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Germany Seeks To Ban Islam : Says Islamics Are Engaged I
-Caveat Lector- From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:14:45 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Germany Seeks To Ban Islam : Says Islamics Are Engaged I How interesting. Do Jews shop at Muslim stores? I dont know about in Germany - where anti-Islamic sentiment is really more based on anti-turkish feelings than anything to do with Israel. but in Jerusalem , most Jews shop in the Arab market. same in America - but you know us Jews - anything to save a penny. Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA
-Caveat Lector- are Baptists and Methodists the same thing? P.S. - why no Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or anything else mentioned on this list? dont they count? Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:32:12 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA -Caveat Lector- It is not correct. Baptists and Methodists combined make up a greater population than Catholics in the US. see: http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#families Samantha In a message dated 9/9/01 1:04:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone should tell this babe that the U.S. already IS a 'Catholic country', as Roman Catholicism has been the religion of the majority of U.S. citizens for the majority of the 20th century... She obviously has forgotten about all those Irish Catholics, Italian Catholics, Polish Catholics, Hungarian Catholics, Puerto Rican Catholics, etc. June I don't think this is right. I think that the Protestant superstition still has more adherents than the Catholic superstition does. But I'm not positive. However, opening the borders to South America will definitely give the Vatican even more influence than it already has in the USA. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA
-Caveat Lector- atheists? hello? hello? talk about being an oppressed invisible group in america. freedom of religion apparently does not include freedom from religion. -- --- - Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:53:12 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Amelia wrote: In fact, there was a decline from 1990 at 26% until 2000 at 19.9%. Still quite a ways to go before takeover. Not all Hispanics are Catholic although it is usually the 'official' religion of most Latin American countries. Indeed...one will find that in most neighborhoods made up of immigrants from Latin American countries, that attendance at the local Roman Catholic church is marginal to minimal. Born-Again Protestant faiths have made significant inroads into hispanic communities, plus there is a strong adherence to 'native' religions such as Santeria, Condoble, and Voudoun... Even those hispanics who consider themselves good Christians (whether Catholic or Protestant) frequent the local bodega, to make sure that they 'cover all the bases'...indeed, one can find more items devoted to Catholicism in a bodega than in most ostensibly Christian book stores... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews and Palestinians InsideIsrael
-Caveat Lector- I agree with what you state sarcastically prudy. the point of America was to welcome with open arms those who felt they were oppressed wherever they were. Let them find the fertile soil of freedom in America, and hopefully they will thrive here, become a people reborn, as the Jews did after WW2, after the Irish did after the famine, as many Africans hope to do now. that is the strength of America. It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. Justice Robert H. Jackson NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:24:37 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews and Palestinians InsideIsrael -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/2001 5:44:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody is making them stay are they? They can leave anytime. Just like my ancestors did. Just like your ancestors did. Just like all Americans' ancestors did whaen they didn't like where they were. Right? Well that depends. My ancestors left England and Italy voluntarily. They may have suffered from poverty, but no one was shooting at them or slapping them around just for standing there. Do tell me about your ancestors. My ancestors were accepted into the United States of course. Perhaps we should invite any Palestinians who wish to leave the hallowed land of Israel to come here. They could become U.S. citizens and visit Israel to vote in local elections. Sounds good to me. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA
-Caveat Lector- We were talking about the US, and Christianity is the major religion of the US. The question was if Catholicism was the largest branch of Christianity in the US or not. It isn't. The combined Protestant religions form a much larger body of Christians than do Catholics in the US. That's all - no big deal. Just talk of numbers - no discrimination. Samantha In a message dated 9/10/01 9:33:22 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: are Baptists and Methodists the same thing? P.S. - why no Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or anything else mentioned on this list? dont they count? Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:32:12 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA -Caveat Lector- It is not correct. Baptists and Methodists combined make up a greater population than Catholics in the US. see: http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#families Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] First Israeli Arab Human Bomb
-Caveat Lector- WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN??? that phrase Israeli Arab is such a divisive racist crock of shit. An Israeli Arab is a code phrase for a moderate Palestinian. People on all sides of this issue like to pretend there are no moderate Palestinians - the Arab world so they can keep them as hammer, the Palestinian politicos so they seem like a unified freedom fighting force that no one calls into question, and to Israeli hard-liners and govt. officials, who want a even amount of hatred and oppression and an unquestioning attitude to their actions towards Palestinians. IM very sorry the peace accords fell through - but too many people have too much invested in hatred and violence to let it end. Too many people define themselves by their enemies, and thus fear peace, because then they would cease to exist. -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. Justice Louis D. Brandeis NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:18:52 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] First Israeli Arab Human Bomb -Caveat Lector- THE TIMES MONDAY SEPTEMBER 10 2001 Surge in violence threatens talks FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN JERUSALEM A WAVE of violence across Israel, the West Bank and Gaza - including the first suicide bombing by an Israeli Arab - threatened yesterday to derail the prospect of peace talks between the Israeli Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, and the Palestinian leader, Yassir Arafat. Seven people died in total: three when a suicide bomber struck at a railway station in the coastal town of Nahariya, a teacher and driver were shot dead in an attack on a school bus in the Jordan Valley, and a car bomb exploded at a busy crossroads northeast of Tel Aviv. Israeli forces killed a suspected bomber in Gaza, and launched retaliatory helicopter attacks on Palestinian buildings in Ramallah, Jericho and Jenin. The office of the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, identified the Nahariya bomber, who left three dead and scores of others injured, as one of one million Arabs who live within Israel itself. This is certain to increase tensions among an Israeli population that has been shocked by the support among previously moderate Israeli Arabs for the 11-month intifada. As both sides blamed each other for the worsening situation, Mr Sharon's security cabinet met last night to discuss plans for a buffer zone that would establish no-go areas between Israel and Palestinian areas along the old Green Line separating Israel from territories it occupied during the 1967 war. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
Re: [CTRL] Fw: More Americans Identify With Conservatives Than Liberals, Poll...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/09/2001 9:03:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The PR war against everything liberal has been effective - I'll grant you that. It's been a process of demonization akin to what was done to the Jews in Germany. Samantha ~~ liberal How true. It is fascinating. The people reject the word liberal completely. They love conservative. Conservative ideas are interesting. Let's see--no welfare for people; welfare for corporations--yes. Get the Government out of your business; get the Government into your personal life. Free markets--wonderful. Personal freedom--bad. Two headlines in this morning's paper confirm that the Conservatives are in charge: Farm subsidies not for family farms, Mega-farms, government agencies and the rich get bulk of federal farm aid Employees likely to pay more for health care, Rising premium costs lead to more out-of-pocket expenses for workers Okay, folks. Enjoy! Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: More Americans Identify With Conservatives Than Liberals, Poll...
-Caveat Lector- here here it was so bad that during the bush clinton election and the 94 elections, that one would hear the phrase the l-word a structure formerly reserved only for the words nigger and fuck )of course the real opposite on conservative is progressive - but i digress) Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:03:44 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: More Americans Identify With Conservatives Than Liberals, Poll... -Caveat Lector- The PR war against everything liberal has been effective - I'll grant you that. It's been a process of demonization akin to what was done to the Jews in Germany. Samantha ~~ liberal In a message dated 9/9/01 1:45:42 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Two to one easily, Conway emphasized, the self-identified liberal label has not cracked 20 percent (in the polls) in ages. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ingo Swann Views Activities on Moon
-Caveat Lector- [This has been mentioned on the list before, but not for more than a year and never as a main topic. It's kind of interesting!]Samantha http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword11v.htm Ingo Swann Views Activities on Moon By Jim Marrs, Author of Alien Agenda and Crossfire Remote viewing is the term coined by New York City scientist Ingo Swann, and used by the CIA and U.S. Army to describe a psychic method of acquiring information on persons, places, and things by means other than the normal five senses. Swann, who helped develop this technology at Stanford Research Institute, was also one of its most able practitioners. According to his 1998 book Penetration, Swann was discreetly approached in 1975 by a super-secret group within the federal government, who operated almost like the fabled Men in Black. He was taken to a secret underground base, where he was asked to perform remote viewing. Although never informed of his target, Swann quickly realized he was viewing objects and activities on our Moon. He saw towers, machinery, lights of different colors, strange-looking buildings. Bridges, a lot of domes, things like saucers with windows ... stored next to crater sides, sometimes in caves, sometimes in what looked like airfield hangars. Long, tube-like things, machinery, tractor-like things going up and down hills, straight roads extending some miles, obelisks which had no apparent function ... large platforms on domes, large cross-like structures. His mind was boggled at the sight of lights and activity on the Moonâs dark side - rows of tall stadium-like light stands providing a greenish illumination, large structures, big as a 40-story building, and naked workers. I saw some kind of people busy at work on something I could not figure out. The place was dark. The 'air' was filled with a fine dust, and there was some kind of illumination - like a dark lime-green fog or mist. The thing about them was that they either were human or looked exactly like us, but they were all males as I could well see, since they were all butt-ass naked. I had absolutely no idea why. They seemed to be digging into a hillside or a cliff, Swann recalled. He could not comprehend what he was seeing, but Swann knew one thing for certain - whoever was in charge up there was not friendly to us and had warned us off the Moon! Now before we rush to conclude that Ingo may have played fast and freely with the truth in his account, understand that he was an integral part of one of the most sensitive and classified government scientific programs of the past 30 years. Everyone involved, including Swann, was subjected to the most strenuous mental and psychological testing. The CIA, Army, and DIA continually funded the top-secret remote viewing program for more than a quarter of a century, through five separate administrations, both Democratic and Republican. Furthermore, the Army and DIA used military-trained remote viewers in operational missions to spy on the Soviets and others. Remote viewing, when applied by trained practitioners using tested methodologies, must not be discredited. Then thereâs the matter of Swannâs feedback, a small gesture on the part of the secret government agency to let him know his viewing was on the right track. His feedback was to open a Pandoraâs Box regarding UFOs and alien activity on the Moon. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Utah Paying a High Price for Polygamy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/09/2001 8:03:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to know where I can move where it'd be legal for me to have two or more husbands. It used to be Tibet, but I don't know what rules the Chinese have applied there. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Rearview Mirror: The day Jimmy Hoffa didn't come home
-Caveat Lector- I know its like trying to reason with a leaky pipe but - zionism and communism are opposing forces - one is a national movement, the other is about eliminating nationalities. Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:33:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Rearview Mirror: The day Jimmy Hoffa didn't come home he just called it what it was, communist/zionism A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- Hello all, I'm interested in the CNP, and very interested in this list's stated purpose. Anna Rosmus tells us the Nazi's never really left Germany. The Disappeared and general nastiness in South America in the last 30 odd years, the current changes in the media -- where Knight Ridder and Murdoch rule -- all those talk shows every night with abominations like Anne Coulter, Olson, etc., the Heritage Foundation 'scholars' and 'experts' trotted out to mislead and throw up smoke screens (eg. the Levy thing every night when we needed to be thinking about a budget crafted to break Social Security, the false star wars test, the puppet master's energy pow-wow, the Bradley Foundation scholars influence on the Harvard School of Public Health... hell's bells... Rather open conspiracy these think tanks. Have you tried to protest Bush? You're roped off, made invisible as his puppet supporters are bused in -- and they are what the media shows on the tube. 'Least that's what happened her in KC. So -- sure lookin like Germany in the the 1930's to me. When Hitler took over, one of the things he did was craft a mythology, make friends with the Christians, and go after the Masons. The documents confiscated in the purge are in Russia now, and in the last 10 years, I've seen serious 18th C scholars looking at them, researching the important role they've played since the Enlightenment. Info is out there, along with big fat vats and tubs of misinfo -- especially on the internet. What we need is serious research and hard info, else it all becomes the x files real quick. I hope that's what you're all about here. The Rothschilds aren't Jewish? Huh? Cheers, Deborah A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/01 7:25:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still what is up with Chandra? Are you of the belief that she is dead, or hiding. Does he even know? Whats up with Chandra? I don't know. The longer she is missing, the more I thend to believe that she is dead. One can only hide for so long. Plus whats in it for her to stay hidden? Condit just played his cards wrong. And that terminated his political career. Hopefully he will be more successful at delievering telephone directories. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Genetically Manipulated Food News 4 February 2000
Interesting item in some stranger areas including results of black deaths and land allocations, etc. There are governments who look way ahead and every move we take is controlled; looks like somebody soon will make some really big bucks after they drive out the farmer - but results of Cuba withstanding the seige interesting. Farmers someday will be growing sheer energy and those who hang in like Snoopy will overcome the greed of the Exterminators? Saba http://home.intekom.com/tm_info/rw00204.htm
Re: [CTRL] hello/Germany protests
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/10/01 10:01:52 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello all, I'm interested in the CNP, and very interested in this list's stated purpose. Hi Deborah, what's the CNP? Have you tried to protest Bush? You're roped off, made invisible as his puppet supporters are bused in -- and they are what the media shows on the tube. 'Least that's what happened her in KC. So -- sure lookin like Germany in the the 1930's to me. It looks like Germany in the 30's to me too. Yesterday, I read an article about the Bush protesting phenomenon, because the same thing just happened in Green Bay, WI. (Article below.) Info is out there, along with big fat vats and tubs of misinfo -- especially on the internet. What we need is serious research and hard info, else it all becomes the x files real quick. I hope that's what you're all about here. I hope you will contribute what you've discovered after sorting through the vats of disinfo. In my opinion, this list has a lot of everything: from good info to highly deleteable info. It can be frustrating to slog through everything that's presented, but there are enough gems here to keep me coming back, at least. Samantha --- Subj:EVERYDAY, THEY ARE CHIPPING AWAY AT OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES Date: 9/9/01 10:55:54 AM Central Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BuzzFlash.com) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A BuzzFlash.com found this column by Tom Perry of the Green Bay (Wisconsin) Press-Gazzette so compelling that we are forwarding it to you as an alert. (View at http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_1089575.shtml) Tom Perry column: Free speech squelched during visit Even a few days after the fact, Congressman Mark Green was still excited about riding with President Bush in his limo. âIt was fun. A lot fun,ââ Green said Thursday in a phone conversation from Washington. For Green, getting to travel the road from here to Kaukauna and back with the president had to be something of a political and personal slam-dunk. There are 535 members of Congress. A lot of them, including Republicans, will never get as much face time with the president as Green did on Labor Day. Troubling aspect As the Congressman and other ardent Republicans continue to bask in the afterglow of Mondayâs presidential visit, I continue to be troubled by one aspect of the event. The fact that no one was allowed to bring signs to the edge of the tarmac infringed on the rights of free expression that we are guaranteed by the Constitution. The fact that protesters were forbidden to go anywhere near Mondayâs event trampled on the rights of Americans to free and peaceful assembly. Indeed, protesters were kept so far away that they might as well have been across Wisconsin 172 playing the slot machines at Oneida Bingo Casino. As a result, an official visit by a sitting president, which was paid for by taxpayers, turned into little more than a political rally for one select group in lockstep with Republican ideology. In contrast, when former Vice President Al Gore spoke at Bay Beach Amusement Park last summer, sign-carrying protesters and hecklers were on the lawn well within view and earshot of Democratic Party supporters. Green explained on Thursday that the details for presidential visits are worked out between the Secret Service and local law-enforcement agencies. âAll of the steps that were taken, all of the decisions that were made were not political,ââ Green said. In other words, security concerns override everything else, including the fundamental rights of individuals. The Secret Service and law-enforcement agencies have a tough job, especially in these times, when there are so many nut cases around. But sometimes I feel as if excessive paranoia is being used as a tool to suppress lawful and legal dissent. Bit by bit, it seems, agencies of our government are chipping away at basic liberties, creating an atmosphere of intolerance toward difference of opinion. Something lost âIâll say I think itâs unfortunate,ââ Green said. âI donât know if weâve become so security conscious that weâve lost something.ââ Indeed, what weâve lost is a sense that we have to work extra hard to protect Constitutional rights. As a nation, we keep making it easier and easier for law-enforcement agencies to hide behind the phrase âlegitimate safety concernsââ as they slice away at civil liberties. Now I donât know if President Bush feels the same way as I do about this. But maybe if Mark Green ever gets to ride in the presidential limo again, heâll bring up the issue. Call Tom Perry at (920) 431-8216. Posted September 8 on the Green Bay Press-Gazzette website. GIVE TOM A CALL IF YOU WANT TO BOLSTER SUPPORT FOR JOURNALISTS WHO ARE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THE ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY BEING UNDERTAKEN BY BUSH
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/10/01 6:00:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, that in and of itself doesn't concern me...basically I feel whatever consenting adults wish to do sexually is their own business. Heck, I don't care what he does to little animals with big forks either. Sex is not a spectator sport. But certain acts are defined as perversions in the dictionary. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Sacramento suspect kills himself
My my - this might be a hate crime and this 20 year old kid had white supremist literature? Really? He made a video tape also during his flight from justice but it seems he would rather die fighting than go down like, say the man in Los Angeles who burned to deaath with his dog? Oh I bet he had white supremist literature too. Now take Littleton, the first report - Nazis, white supremists, hate talk - and then the bastards had to finally report but did not tell the whole truth, that little Klebold with his little Uzi and their propane gas tanks which were to blow up entire block and murder everyone in the building other than their hand picked all Christeam team of victims - little Klebold was Jewish - his grandfather was let us say family and with his foundation my oh my, what a spot to launder dirty money. So a 20 year old kid decided to suicide out rather than to live in this country anymore. Think he read about the Sheriff who said the plan went well - for the man and his dog were burned alive - the man was to give up but they refused to guarantee to him they would not shooot his dog? Ruby Ridge, Waco - and the ADL this group of pigs in bed with murder inc. leading the choice - self appointed of course, but their day I believe will soon be over. Nice story here - and hey what about that other killer - the guy from the Ukraine - tell me how do all these people get into this country and the Miami Police force corrupted - what the hell do they expect, for most of them pattern themselves after the Mexican police .I remember when Miami was a beautiful place to live and visit - now it is a cess pool and next will come the black death no doubt. So here is another suicide.kind of like the Davidians who murdered themselves...they say rats are the first to leave the ship - let us hope this applies to our Ship of State for to tell the truth, there are just too many of these young kids who prefer death than life in this once great country which was founded by great men who are not being labeled racists by the cess pool infiltrating this country. Racists? To each his own. Most people like to be with their own kindnow take the jews and Israelis and Zionists who run the show time in Israel - they seem to prefer life over death and this is why they are so well armed as they take on the Palestinians who too, prefer death over life, in the present state of Israel. Israel, the guiding light of corruption - greed, racism, pigs at trough paid for by American taxpayers.while their cup runneth over, the wells they say, run dry. Saba Sacramento suspect kills himself Gunman found dead after frenzied chase, shootout with policeJoseph Ferguson, 20, killed himself in this stolen car after allegedly killing five others over the weekend. NBC's Chip Reid reports. NBC NEWS AND WIRE REPORTS SACRAMENTO, Calif., Sept. 10 A security guard wanted for killing five people shot himself to death after a wild chase and shootout with police Monday. It was such a mess out there, said sheriff's dispatcher Linda Casillas. 'He described a very violent plan of attack on innocent victims.' SHERIFF JOHN MCGINNESS Describing video made by Ferguson JOSEPH FERGUSON, 20, who had vowed not to be taken alive, killed himself after leading officers on a 40-minute chase along a freeway and through suburban Rancho Cordova, shooting an officer and a bystander during the frenzied pursuit, said Sacramento County Sheriff's Capt. John McGinness. The bystander, shot in the stomach, was in critical condition Monday. The officer was in good condition with a gunshot wound to the arm. After Ferguson claimed his fifth victim late Sunday, a California Highway Patrol officer spotted him in Rancho Cordova, about five miles from Sacramento, and began the pursuit. Ferguson was in a stolen car and exchanged fire with officers during the chase, then smashed into a light pole in front of a fast-food restaurant, police said. He remained sprawled in the car while authorities waited, and when they approached they found he had shot himself, McGinness said. DESPONDENT OVER BREAKUP Authorities say Ferguson went on the rampage because he was upset over losing his girlfriend and getting suspended from his job with Burns Security a week earlier. His ex-girlfriend, also a Burns employee, and three other former co-workers were among the victims. While holding the fifth victim hostage late Sunday, Ferguson made a video in which he foresaw his fate, McGinness said. Advertisement He described a very violent plan of attack on innocent victims, McGinness said. He said if cornered he would take his own life and that's exactly what he did. NBC's Chip Reid reported from Sacramento that Ferguson was also said to have told his former co-workers that he intended to kill people at random, possibly going into a movie theater or other crowded area. Ferguson
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- Hitler went after the Masons, the Jehovah Witnesses, the Rosicrucians, the jews in general, but first he took the big guns away did he not and he failed to do one important thing - he did not go after the Zoinists, in fact they got along quite well. Zionists are murdering American Giants only the American Giants do not give a rats ass for they have taken their big bucks elsewhere - no longer do you see the big gasoline stations along the way and let us say Burma Shave signs? Well lots of whites in the country quietly unite and with their big guns await the Zionist at the door in disguise - it is beginning, haven't you noticed? Black Death is already at the door - those who will be saved will be the ones who do not intermingle with blacks and queers and sodomists or whatever you call these people Gay Priders - with Brindle Brown Rainbow creatures waiting to take over white man's dreams - Way to get rid of the garbage - cut off the welfare, vote no and watch the run for freedom elsewhere. All problems are economic and to tell the truth I am sick of reading about 6 million jews being killed in holocaust to the exclusion of the 55 million others also killed primarily the American Soldier who was told he was fighting for the Constitution, who is now told - hey you died for the jews and gypsies and homosexuals and lesbians - what a pile of shit. America can be great again - no more melting pot where the scum also rises with the aid of the executioner's songs. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NO CENSORSHIP IS GOOD CENSORSHIP
-Caveat Lector- Can you send a link or cut and paste the text? I don't open attachments. Oh, and thanks for this: [snip state-sponsored propaganda] I take allegations of child abuse and neglect seriously. Samantha - Original Message - From: Edgar J. Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 3:04 AM Subject: [ParanoidTimes] Press Release: We want your baby. Press Release - Immediate 8:00 p.m., August 31, 2001 Edgar J. Steele, Attorney at Law tel: (208) 265-4153 102 S. Fourth Ave., Suite Cfax: (208) 265-5329 Sandpoint, Idaho 83860 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MISSOULA, MONTANA - First, they took her three young girls on an anonymous and unverifiable phone call that one looked kind of sick. Then they moved heaven and earth, trying desperately to take the baby she bore a month later, though it was several states out of their jurisdiction. Then they had her arrested and thrown in a Montana jail for kidnapping her own children. Now, she is about to give birth to her fifth child and they are trying to snatch it, too, after which they want to lock her and her husband away in prison for a long, long time. Pretty serious stuff. Must be a modern Bonnie and Clyde. How many people have they killed? would be a logical question. Wellnone, actually. What have they done wrong? Their most serious crime: they loved their children. Their biggest mistake: they trusted that truth would find a way. Ruth Christine whiles away her time in a Missoula, Montana jail, while Oregon officials move to have her extradited to stand trial on charges that she helped to kidnap her own children. Ruth is counting the days until delivery of her next child, too - anytime during the next couple of weeks. Oregon's Services to Children and Families (SCF) has had its counterpart in Montana, Child Protection Services (CPS), pay a call on Ruth and her doctor yesterday. Nobody is to be allowed into the delivery room except their people. Immediately upon birth, the baby is to be taken from Ruth and handed over to Oregon. No cuddling. No breast feeding. No bonding. No kidding. Edgar J. Steele, an attorney based in Northern Idaho, with offices in California, has agreed to take the lead in representing Ruth and Brian Christine in what has become a modern-day David and Goliath story of citizens against a government seemingly out of control. They just refused to play ball, said Steele from his office in Sandpoint, Idaho. They must have seemed like easy marks, apparent itinerants living in a bus with their three little girls, parked not far from the public library in Grants Pass, Oregon. Ruth and Brian had chosen to spend a few years traveling with their young family and earning a modest income from his internet-based business dealings. He would use public-access terminals, like those found in public libraries, to conduct business. Apparently, somebody in Grants Pass didn't think that was right, so he or she called authorities to say that one of the little girls looked dehydrated. She did look a bit under the weather, truth be told. It was hot, being midsummer, and the little girl was just getting over an illness. When authorities arrived, they found she had a bandaid on her forehead where she had bumped her head while playing. That was enough. By the end of the day, Brian had been hauled off and booked for child endangerment, the three girls taken by armed deputies to a foster home and Ruth left dazed, penniless and 8 months pregnant, alone and confused in the converted bus which had served as the family home for the past two years. Once Brian was released, he and Ruth chose to fight the legal system on their own, spurning the offer of a county-paid public defender. They did all the wrong things, according to the system, just as people often do when they dare to represent themselves in a courtroom. They didn't realize the stakes that were involved. They believed that eventually truth would find a way and they would get their children back. They were wrong. Along the way, Ruth traveled home to Indiana to have her baby. She eventually left baby Olivia behind with her mother and returned to Oregon to help Brian in the struggle to regain custody of their three little girls. We want Olivia, too, said the Oregon officials, and began a marathon court proceeding designed to have the baby taken from its grandmother, who had been appointed its legal guardian, and brought to Oregon to be placed with a foster home. Only three days ago, the Indiana judge that had become embroiled in the struggle laid down the law: Indiana refuses to allow Oregon to have baby Olivia. About a month ago, Oregon made it clear to Ruth and Brian that they were never to see their children again, as they were about to be adopted out. Desperate, the couple allegedly plotted to take their girls and run away. They were tracked down in Montana, turned in by those they considered friends. While
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Rearview Mirror: The day Jimmy Hoffa didn't come home
-Caveat Lector- Zionism and Communism - ever hear of the word Collusion? Pick a side, want to be a Nazi, a Communist? Today I would say to all Democrats look at your party - you are in bed with pigs an do not know it. Zionism and Communism equals Fascism the ultimate goal? For they are all in the same pig stye now - the Democrat Party. Hitler was back by Zionists - many jews went to slaughter but 55 million people died in that war - not all were homosexuals, gypsies, and jews? We were taught in this country we fought for our Constitution which by oath we swear to defend from the enemy from within and foreign? So how did a big pig like Henry Kissinger, a German Jew Zionist who was KGB Agent Code Name Bor for Communists - how did that big fat sows ear get so much power? Why he was a kept man - a male prostitute equalled by none.Clinton too lates realizes what a fool he was to open the door to a fat pig with pizza pie? He will get his revenge, be assured. He already is getting his revenge. Meanwhile Arab Nations like sleeping lions await the attack People are getting sick of hearing of a holocaust that took the lives of 6 million jews, when 55 million were killed in that war and do not tell me that American soldiers died for anything other than our Constitution? American is beginning to become one big pig stye under Zionist control.by their fruits you shall know them - watched any TV lately? Saba Leaky pipes - hey I knew a good Watergate Plumber may I recommend him to you? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- The Google search engine has a nice feature which let's you see what other URL's link to the page you are looking at. http://www.google.com/search?client=googletq=related:http://www.eaif.org/ I(f you don't call these groups racist, you are even more bamboozled by the Capitalist Class, almost entirely still WASP, btw, than you appear. Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 1 - 10 of about 29. Search took 0.37 seconds. EUROPEAN AMERICAN ISSUES FORUM Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.eaif.org/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages American Renaissance ... New Century Foundation, Dept. A., PO Box 527, Oakton, VA 22124, [EMAIL PROTECTED], (703) 716 0932 Fax, (703) 716 0900 Voice. New Search Feature Now Available! ... Description: A conservative monthly publication. Promotes a variety of white supremist positions. Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.amren.com/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages Council of Conservative Citizens PO Box 221683 St. Louis, MO 63122-9957. The True Voice of the American Right. ... C of CC. CHAPTERS. The National Newspape r of The C of CC... ... Features. ... Description: Views itself as the true voice of the American Right. Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.cofcc.org/ - 41k - Cached - Similar pages NAAWP ... Our job is ... an insult to our intelligence and our right to know and make judgments on facts. ... Description: This is the white rights group started by David Duke. The site contains news and various articles... Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.naawp.com/ - 11k - Cached - Similar pages American Nationalist Union ... August 2001, Voice of the Real America. No. 174. In this month's big 28-page issue: ... Black on White. ... www.anu.org/ - 7k - Cached - Similar pages untitled www.resistdef.org/welcome2.htm - 1k - Cached - Similar pages FOXNews.com Cincinnati Cop Kills Black Man in Gunfight, AP, Ricky Moore, ... There were no immediate signs of unrest after the shooting. ... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,30657,00.html - 35k - Cached - Similar pages David Duke's Official Web Site Click here to learn more. Profiles in Hatred, Behind the Mask of Respectability Click here to read. ... Click here for more... Click here to read more. ... Description: Includes news commentary, articles, and stories about white supremacy, hate crimes and race relations. Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.duke.org/ - 15k - Cached - Similar pages National Alliance This Week's Broadcast. Search This Web Site. Time to Blast Our Enemies by Dr. William L. Pierce 08/04/01 ... Description: Called by the ADL as the most dangerous hate group in America. Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.natall.com/ - 17k - Cached - Similar pages WorldNetDaily - A Free Press for a Free People Doh! America West 'loses' kids a 3rd time --San Diego Union-Tribune--. Between The Lines SportsNetDaily Drudge Report ... Description: WorldNetDaily: Daily newspaper and link page edited by veteran newspaper editor Joseph Farah. Conservativ... Category: News Current Events Investigation and Scandals www.worldnetdaily.com/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages Result Page: 1 2 Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 11 - 20 of about 29. Search took 0.44 seconds. America's Race Crisis - and Separatism America's Race Crisis - and Separatism. Policy-studies Home Page. ... Select Articles. (Unless otherwise indicated, article is authored by Dr. Owens.). ... pw1.netcom.com/~owensva/separatist.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages Stormfront White Pride World Wide ... More hate speech. Previous Quotes. This site last updated . Local time in West Palm Beach, Florida is and you are visitor today! ... Description: A resource for preserving White Western culture, ideals and freedom of speech and association. Also... Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.stormfront.org/ - 22k - Cached - Similar pages What's Race Got To Do With It? ... CNEWS Poll. Do you think genetically modified foods are safe? Yes No I don't know what genetically modified means. The results so far. Spread the News! ... www.canoe.ca/CNEWSFeatures0107/23_time.html - 49k - Cached - Similar pages Help for victims of reverse discrimination, racial preferences ... A ... America. FBI to investigate anti-white hate crimes in Cincinnati riots. (05/12/01) ... Description: Advocates for color-blind and gender-blind justice, and against reverse discrimination... Category: Society Issues Human Rights and Liberties Affirmative Action Against www.adversity.net/default.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages Patriotic Flags - Online Flag Store Flags,
Re: [CTRL] European American Issues Forum
-Caveat Lector- http://www.osu.edu/students/afrikan/DIssue/i092298.htm ...But the idea was the inspiration of Stan Hess, a member of the European American Issues Forum. Hess was recently arrested in a flag-burning protest at an Alabama anti-immigration rally with a former grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. He was also thrown out of a race-relations forum in San Jose in February after he began shouting at members of President Clinton's commission on race, which had convened the session... ...In January, Hess and two other men were arrested at the anti-immigration rally in Cullman, Ala., according to Cullman police. They were charged with violating the city's burning ordinance when they dipped the flags of Mexico, the United Nations and the former Soviet Union in kerosene and set them ablaze. Arrested with Hess was William Burchfield, a former grand dragon, or state leader, of the Alabama Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organization that monitors the Klan and other extremist groups. Mark Potok, a spokesman for the center, said the rally was attended by several Klansman, neo-Nazis and adherents of the Christian Identity movement. Identity believers embrace a racist and anti-Semitic theology, Potok said, that claims that whites are the true chosen people and that blacks are subhuman ``mud people.'' Hess said he met Burchfield at the rally and didn't become aware of his Klan ties until later. He referred further questions about the rally to his friend Jim Floyd, a Cullman resident who organized the event with Hess and was also arrested for burning the flags. Klansmen at Alabama rally Floyd acknowledged that there were Klansmen in the crowd of about 60 at the Alabama rally, which drew mainstream immigration foes as well. He said the event was open to the public and he had no control over who decided to attend. Floyd said Burchfield, who recently died of a heart attack, was his close friend. But he said Burchfield had turned in his Klan robes four or five years ago, after Floyd persuaded him to quit the organization. In any event, Floyd said, Burchfield played no role in organizing the rally. Potok, the center's spokesman, contradicted Floyd's account, saying Burchfield had been seen preaching Christian Identity theology at a Klan rally as recently as a year ago. M.P. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Jew, Fight Fair!
I still remember an Arabian Prince who would have been King had his father not been murdered sitting at our table who said (and at the time I had little interest in such matters) in 1967 - the domestic jews and arabs would live in peace, but the Zionists will not let them. Aren't all Kings supposed to be brothers? With all the little masonic secrets? Why does it take billions of dollars from the USA to Israel to fight off a handful of Palestinians? Seems to me there is Sharon with the match as he so stated, and the Arabs with the oil - but who is attempting to light this match to trigger holocaust in which all would be killed? Isn't it all in the game plan - to kill all in Holy Land to make room for the Hotels, Motels, Gambling Houses, High Rises for the Rich and more Affluent? Cannot have beggars in the streets as Castro did for when they show their teeth - well at Waco they did not even show their teeth to have wrath of God upon themand then came Timothy McVey with words Wrath of God carefully circled in a Gideon Bible? Note - in this story once again Note Israel to be the Light Unto All Nations - a light unto my feet and I remembered the lamp of Gideon on the front of the Gideon placed biblea lamp unto my feet but people are blind to the light? This September my bible calendar goes through Isaiah -the lamp, unto our feet about to be trampled under? The date of September 27th (as Amelia pointed out) is a very important date. Have you seen the pictures of the young Israeli soldiers being sent to slaughter? As a result they are put into a very particular problem for life is cheap - we gave them the means to destroy every Palestinian in the area... They have a slaughterman in Sharon - he is an old man, whom the Palestinians refer to as the fat slob who is no longer a romantic figure, they say - but since when is a slaughterman ever a romantic figure unless it would be Jack the Ripper who made love like - maybe Bill Clinton? Hitler said a country is like a woman - likes to be beaten into submission..some say this is why some women marry truck drivers - This is a good item here worth reading - but then while some have seen this great light who was it they said turned it off? Could it have been Satan? Nothing worse than a big bully defending himself against sticks and stones with panzer tanks and flamethrowers and Uzis. Saba http://www.masada2000.org/FightFair.html
[CTRL] Jim Floyd, a Cullman resident racist
-Caveat Lector- Following on from the previous on EAIF.(Jim Floyd, a Cullman resident who organized the event ... www.osu.edu/students/afrikan/DIssue/i092298.htm ) M.P. SPOTLIGHT News June 1998 ... Another resident, Joseph James, said ... and James Edward Jim Floyd, 60, are having ... Brunner in Alabama's Cullman County for setting ... plan by racist blacks to ... members.nbci.com/Halchemist/SPOTLIGHT/SPOTLIGHTNewsJun98.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages Letters From Browsers ... 29, 1998 From: Jim Floyd jfloyd@airnet ... James Floyd from Cullman, Alabama and I ... James Floyd. ... mine and a resident of the US). ... be looking for racist literature. (Of ... www.natvan.com/letters/letters9.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages http://www.google.com/search?q=Jim+Floyd%2C+a+Cullman+resident+racist A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] European Heritage Month
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[CTRL] New Nation News - Bloody Kansas - Wichita Wilding More crap via EAIF.
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newnation.org/Archives/NNN-wichita-press-14.html http://www.google.com/search?q=European/American+Issues+Forum+hl=ensafe=of fstart=10sa=N A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Israeli Soldiers Often Die For Nothing!
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[CTRL] Jospin on Globalisation
-Caveat Lector- From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : World Economy Globalisation, Jospin and the political program of Attac Part One By Nick Beams 10 September 2001 Back to screen version| Send this link by email | Email the author The French prime minister, Lionel Jospin, has indicated his support for one of the main policy demands of the European anti-globalisation movement. During the course of a 50-minute television interview on August 28, Jospin said France would place the issue of a tax on international capital movements on the agenda at the next meeting of European finance ministers, to be held in Belgium later this month. The imposition of such a tax on international currency transactions, dubbed a Tobin tax after the American economist James Tobin who first advocated it in 1972, is the guiding policy of the French organisation, Attac (Association for the Taxation of Financial Transactions for the Aid of Citizens), founded at the end of 1997 and now comprising a number of affiliates in Europe and internationally. Jospin told his interviewer: We must discuss the issues (of globalisation) and I am in favour of France taking the initiative so that Europe endorses the Tobin tax. This move represents something of a shift for Jospin and his Socialist Party government. While Jospin himself has been favourably inclined towards such measuresas he recalled during the interview, he advocated a Tobin tax in 1995 when he ran for presidentkey sections of the government have opposed it. In August last year, finance minister Laurent Fabius presented a report to the French parliament rejecting the idea on the grounds that it was impractical and would destabilise foreign exchange markets. But the political landscape has changed quite rapidly since then and this is why Jospin is prepared to advocate the tax, even in the face of opposition from Fabius and others in the Socialist Party. The demonstrations at the G8 summit in Julyand the growing opposition to global corporations and the dominance of finance capital they reflectedhave revealed the increasingly narrow base of social support enjoyed by the international bourgeoisie. While some of the political representatives of the ruling classes prefer to ignore social reality in the manner of the Bourbonslearning nothing and forgetting nothingothers, such as Jospin, acutely aware that the protests are the harbinger of a movement of the working class against global capitalism, are looking for ways to deflect and divert it. Jospin had begun to shift towards the tax proposal before the Genoa summit, authorising a meeting between his senior staff and members of Attac. Following the protests he declared that while France denounced the violence of a tiny minority under the pretext of highlighting the evils of globalisation it was delighted to see the emergence of a citizens movement at the planetary level which wants a majority of men and women to share the potential benefits between rich and poor countries. We want to put in place a lasting system of regulation, he continued, that makes the planet a common asset exploited in an equitable manner; we want to establish an equitable community as respectful of the environment as of different cultures and civilisations. This is the heart of the universal message France wants to carry around the world. Attacs perspective The history and program of Attac demonstrates that, for all its sometimes strident denunciations of the operations of global capital and the resultant social inequality and poverty, its goal is not the development of an anti- capitalist movement on a socialist program. Rather, it seeks to block the development of such a movement by promoting the claim that capitalism can be regulated through the combined actions of national governments, starting with the imposition of a tax on foreign currency transactions to halt financial speculation and prevent the undermining of national economic initiatives. Attacs political objective is not socialismthe transfer of political power to the working class and the economic reconstruction of society on the basis of human needbut the restoration of political power and economic sovereignty to the capitalist nation-state. The Attac movement was launched in December 1997, in the midst of the Asian financial crisis, with a statement in the magazine Le monde diplomatique by its editor Ignacio Ramonet. The hurricane that has hit the money markets in Asia, he wrote, poses a threat to the rest of the world. The globalisation of investment capital is causing universal insecurity. It makes a mockery of national boundaries and diminishes the power of states to uphold democracy and guarantee the wealth and prosperity of their peoples. Ramonet went on to denounce financial globalisation as a law unto itself with its own supranational organisations (such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organisation). This artificial world state is a
Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA
-Caveat Lector- Well Neuropsychotic - Baptists and Methodists are the same thing with one exception - one drinks in public and the other drinks in private (like Gary Condit maybe for he led two lives). That is the only difference..one puts on better front, than the other. Never trusted anyone that didn't have at least one little minor vice. So Howdy and Sayanora, Neuropsychotic. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- And it is well known who invents the 'hate' lists in this country, the ADL. See Project Megiddo for FBI harassment of whites, Christians, etc. Ruby Ridge, Waco, all whites. The fact that this is listed as a hate group does not make it so. It merely means the ADL has probably labeled it as such. And there are other ethnic groups listed here. Neither you nor J2 has stated HOW that makes it racist. Being a majority does not make a person nor an ethnic group racist. I see much more racism on minority lists and from the ADL. Blacks can and are often racist. Whites are just as entitled to promote their own ethnicity as any other group. Censorship and oppression is wrong no matter at whom it is directed, even whites. If you want to eliminate hate groups, let's start with the most powerful by far, the ADL, and work our way down to these for that is the one labeling everybody else. And that same Google search will bring up posts from you on other lists stating that you lurk on lists like this one to 'see what the kooks are up to' for I also found that. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- The Google search engine has a nice feature which let's you see what other URL's link to the page you are looking at. http://www.google.com/search?client=googletq=related:http://www.ea if.org/ I(f you don't call these groups racist, you are even more bamboozled by the Capitalist Class, almost entirely still WASP, btw, than you appear. Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 1 - 10 of about 29. Search took 0.37 seconds. EUROPEAN AMERICAN ISSUES FORUM Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.eaif.org/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages American Renaissance ... New Century Foundation, Dept. A., PO Box 527, Oakton, VA 22124, [EMAIL PROTECTED], (703) 716 0932 Fax, (703) 716 0900 Voice. New Search Feature Now Available! ... Description: A conservative monthly publication. Promotes a variety of white supremist positions. Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.amren.com/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages Council of Conservative Citizens PO Box 221683 St. Louis, MO 63122-9957. The True Voice of the American Right. ... C of CC. CHAPTERS. The National Newspape r of The C of CC... ... Features. ... Description: Views itself as the true voice of the American Right. Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.cofcc.org/ - 41k - Cached - Similar pages NAAWP ... Our job is ... an insult to our intelligence and our right to know and make judgments on facts. ... Description: This is the white rights group started by David Duke. The site contains news and various articles... Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.naawp.com/ - 11k - Cached - Similar pages American Nationalist Union ... August 2001, Voice of the Real America. No. 174. In this month's big 28-page issue: ... Black on White. ... www.anu.org/ - 7k - Cached - Similar pages untitled www.resistdef.org/welcome2.htm - 1k - Cached - Similar pages FOXNews.com Cincinnati Cop Kills Black Man in Gunfight, AP, Ricky Moore, ... There were no immediate signs of unrest after the shooting. ... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,30657,00.html - 35k - Cached - Similar pages David Duke's Official Web Site Click here to learn more. Profiles in Hatred, Behind the Mask of Respectability Click here to read. ... Click here for more... Click here to read more. ... Description: Includes news commentary, articles, and stories about white supremacy, hate crimes and race relations. Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.duke.org/ - 15k - Cached - Similar pages National Alliance This Week's Broadcast. Search This Web Site. Time to Blast Our Enemies by Dr. William L. Pierce 08/04/01 ... Description: Called by the ADL as the most dangerous hate group in America. Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.natall.com/ - 17k - Cached - Similar pages WorldNetDaily - A Free Press for a Free People Doh! America West 'loses' kids a 3rd time --San Diego Union-Tribune--. Between The Lines SportsNetDaily Drudge Report ... Description: WorldNetDaily: Daily newspaper and link page edited by veteran newspaper editor Joseph Farah. Conservativ... Category: News Current Events Investigation and Scandals www.worldnetdaily.com/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages Result Page: 1 2 Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 11 - 20 of about 29. Search took 0.44 seconds. America's Race Crisis - and Separatism America's Race Crisis - and Separatism. Policy-studies Home Page. ... Select
[CTRL] Jim Floyd, a Cullman resident racist
-Caveat Lector- These posts that you are posting do NOT say what you claim that they do. They say he did not know Burchfield was a Klan's man and another of them says the one labeled as a Klansman had denounced the Klan years ago.Like Sen. Byrd. This was primarily an anti immigration rally of a whopping 60 people. The Kansas issue--well, it is NEVER a hate crime if committed against whites because as Mary Frances Berry of the Civil Rights Commission said Whites have no Civil Rights. Civil Rights are not about whites. Obviously, neither you nor J2 have any proof that the organization in question is racist and so must resort back to attempting to drag in some other organization to make it so. We are not discussing the Klan and because racists organizations do exist, that does not make every organization of whites racist. Besides, in a free country, even despicable organizations like the Klan have a right to exist as long as they do not break the law. It is a negative side of free speech but ultimately unavoidable. You can't have free speech without those also speaking whom you might wish to suppress. You also cannot dictate an agenda to which they must adhere. I think the Euro History month is a wonderful thing, by the way. White children should not be made to feel their ethnic contributions do not count any more than black ones. So unless you have something to say on the specific group in question, not other groups with which you are trying to cloud the question and not individuals, the organization in question only, I shall assume you are the one promoting hate for that is what you are doing. ~Amelia~ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Foreign Policies
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Britain to challenge Death Row cases in US
By Robert Verkaik, Legal Affairs Correspondent
10 September 2001
The British Government is preparing to launch a legal challenge against
America over its use of the death penalty.
In an unprecedented move the Foreign Office will instruct lawyers to
intervene in an attempt to halt the executions of two men with dual British
and US nationality currently on Death Row. One is scheduled to die in the
electric chair before the end of the year. Britain is also considering taking a
case to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to challenge America
over its death penalty policy.
Ministers are known to have serious concerns about the trials of both men and the
quality of the evidence used to convict them.
Tracy Housel, 42, who was born a British subject in Bermuda, was convicted of beating
and strangling to death a woman in Georgia. He was sentenced to die in 1985.
Last week his lawyers applied to the US Supreme Court in an 11th-hour effort to save
his life. They argued that he was suffering from a mental illness at the time of the
crime and may have been badly advised by his lawyer
s about his guilty plea.
The second man, Jackie Elliott, 41, was born at the former Bentwaters air force base
in Suffolk to American parents. He denied but was convicted of the rape and murder of
an 18-year-old woman 15 years ago. His American la
wyers believe another man, who gave evidence against him at the trial, was responsible
for the murder.
The Washington government is understood to be angry that the Foreign Office should
choose to act on two Death Row cases involving American citizens who acquired British
nationality only by an accident of birth.
But a spokeswoman for the Foreign Office said yesterday that the former foreign
secretary Robin Cook had made clear earlier this year that government policy was to
express Britain's strong opposition to the death penalt
y and its imposition on British nationals. She said people either had the right to
British nationality or they did not there was no halfway position.
While the Housel case will be the first to test the Government's new policy, more
embarrassment will be caused by the case of Elliott, who is on Death Row in Texas,
where George Bush was governor before he became Presiden
t.
Although Mr Bush was not Texas governor at the time Elliott's death sentence was
imposed, he was responsible for rubber-stamping 139 executions, more than any other
American governor, during his six-year tenure.
Lawyers acting for Housel say the tougher stance adopted by the British Government
represents an important step forward. Until now the Foreign Office has refused to
intervene in American death penalty cases until all judi
cial avenues have been exhausted.
Housel's lawyers, Hugh Southey, a barrister at Michael Mansfield's chambers in London,
and Yasmine Waldje, a solicitor at the City law firm Lovells, have had urgent meetings
with Foreign Office officials to try to get the
Government to take unprecedented steps to save their client's life.
The lawyers and the Foreign Office have been working closely with the US-based British
barrister Clive Stafford-Smith a renowned champion of human rights, particularly in
death penalty cases and Reprieve, a Death Row p
risoner support group. They intend to offer British legal representation to Elliott,
who until now has not been officially recognised as a British subject.
Yesterday, the Foreign Office said that before its lawyers formally intervened in the
cases it would continue to use diplomatic channels to help to secure a reprieve for
both men. We are to make diplomatic representatio
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Elliott, the spokeswoman said.
Andie Lambe, UK director of Reprieve, described the Government's involvement as an
historic step forward that not only granted UK recognition to British-American Death
Row inmates but also gave diplomatic force to the c
ampaign to keep the men alive.
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[CTRL] Hitchens On Condit/Hacker stole identities of richest Americans
-Caveat Lector- Mike, Since you advocate using Google to find out about things, look at this article which says a Michael Pugliese was charged with stealing $100,000. YOU are the one saying it is absolute proof of things, not me. So does this mean this is true about you or is is some other person with the same name? If it is an error, how can you make the argument that Google is the way to really find out the truth about people or organizations? Because one organization of whites is racist does not mean that they all are. More importantly, they all have the right to exist as long as they are not breaking laws, even ones outside of mainstream. 06/19/2001 - Updated 05:11 PM ET / By Greg Farrell, USA TODAY NEW YORK - It wasn't a very successful case of identity theft, but it appears to rank among the most audacious. Court papers say that 32-year-old restaurant worker and four-time felon Abraham Abdallah, armed with a copy of Forbes magazine's 400 Richest People in America, meticulously collected the Social Security numbers, bank and brokerage account numbers, credit card numbers and mothers' maiden names of 200 of the USA's wealthiest men and women. On his hit list of intended victims, according to court papers: Steven Spielberg, Warren Buffett, Oprah Winfrey, Martha Stewart, George Lucas, Ross Perot and Michael Eisner. Abdallah's goal, police say, was to con financial services providers into giving him access to his victims' millions. His method, according to prosecutors, included stealing their identities, renting boxes in their names at commercial mailbox services and then ordering merchandise charged to their credit cards. By the time he and a suspected accomplice, Michael Pugliese, 47, were arrested on March 7, they had gotten only about $100,000 in goods using identities of some of the intended victims, according to law enforcement sources. But the potential for much greater damage was there, police say: Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs and Bear Stearns were all billed for credit reports they had not requested. That was an indication, according to New York City police, that an identity thief was busy collecting personal information on intended victims. Last December, an e-mail purported to be from Siebel Systems founder Thomas Siebel came to brokerage Merrill Lynch. It asked that $10 million be transferred to an account based offshore. Merrill Lynch contacted Siebel, determined that the request was a hoax and called police. Court papers say Abdallah rented mailboxes at a downtown Manhattan location in the names of Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen and Bear Stearns CEO James Cayne. They say he then ordered merchandise to be delivered to those boxes. What this guy was doing was setting up mailboxes all over the place, says Sandi Spector, a U.S. Postal inspector brought in to monitor the mail drops. Throughout January and February, Spector helped the NYPD keep watch on various mailboxes. But, she said, Abdallah, who worked in a Brooklyn restaurant, would not show up to take delivery. A courier or other intermediary would redirect the merchandise. We were jumping from place to place, Spector recalls. He was everywhere and he was nowhere. We believe he could track delivery of packages over the Internet. Finally, on March 7, the police intercepted a shipment of $25,000 worth of equipment to manufacture and magnetize credit cards. Then, posing as couriers, they delivered the goods to a drop-off location in Brooklyn, where they say they found Pugliese. Abdallah was arrested when he arrived. The pair is now in custody, awaiting arraignment. Abdallah's arrest is not his first brush with the law. Postal inspectors have arrested him four times since 1986 on charges related to mail fraud, for which he was convicted. Front Page News Money Sports Life Tech Weather Shop Terms of service Privacy Policy How to advertise About us © Copyright 2001 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-03-20-hacker.htm --- - ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- The Google search engine has a nice feature which let's you see what other URL's link to the page you are looking at. http://www.google.com/search?client=googletq=related:http://www.ea if.org/ I(f you don't call these groups racist, you are even more bamboozled by the Capitalist Class, almost entirely still WASP, btw, than you appear. Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 1 - 10 of about 29. Search took 0.37 seconds. EUROPEAN AMERICAN ISSUES FORUM Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.eaif.org/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages American
[CTRL] (Fwd) FBI Lied About Rainbow Farms Standoff : Witness Says Cro
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:FBI Lied About Rainbow Farms Standoff : Witness Says Crosslin Was Surrendering When They Shot Him ; LSN Staff based on email from James Parker, Libertarian Date sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:40:16 -0400 FBI Lied About Rainbow Farms Standoff Witness Says Crosslin Was Surrendering When They Shot Him 9/10/01 11:40:16 AM LSN Staff based on email from James Parker, Libertarian Rainbow Farms, Michigan -- The FBI and local police lied when they said they shot Tom Crosslin after he pointed a gun at him, according to one witness, Michigan Libertarian James Parker, who has been circulating emails on internet messageboards attacking FBI and police claims. Crosslin and two comrades were in a standoff with the FBI over the attempt by the federal government to seize his farm, which had been a host for a regular hippie gathering where participants would smoke marijuana, when FBI agents shot him. A local sheriff had claimed at the time that he was shot after pointing a weapon at officers. According to those who witnessed the attack, however, Crosslin was in the process of surrendering, and was merely carrying a weapon which he did not drop quickly enough to satisfy the demands of local police. Other witnesses have pointed out that the FBI refused to call in a third party mediator to neogitate with Crosslin. News reports have failed to mention that to secure the area, FBI agents forced several local families out of their homes at gun points, and shut down several major roads in the area. They also reportedly used tanks to shut down anti-FBI demonstrations that spontaneously emerged when people heard of the siege, and carried signs and other protest material to FBI perimeter lines. Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com) --- End of forwarded message --- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fearful Female Students Take Up Arms
-Caveat Lector- Fearful Female Students Take Up Arms Saturday, September 08, 2001 Young women terrified of a serial rapist in the college city of Fort Collins, Colo., have taken their safety and protection into their own hands arming themselves with handguns and joining the ranks of gun rights advocates. Certainly a lot more effective then an order of protection or a NOW placard. Makes a 90 lb sweet thing the equal of any 200 lb gorilla rapist. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NO CENSORSHIP IS GOOD CENSORSHIP
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for sending the text of the attorney's press release. Based on everything I've read (and could find) on the internet about this case, up until the alleged kidnapping at gunpoint, the reaction of the authorities did seem unusually harsh even in the face of alleged malnutrition and dehydration (of 3 girls). The news reports one child had a 3-inch skull fracture, which is different than the scratch that required a bandage in the attorney's explanation. From the little I know about such cases, it seems that worse allegations of abuse and neglect are treated with less harshness, where, for example, if the parents were to show proper living conditions and take parenting classes they would often be allowed to have the children returned to the home. By the reactions of the authorities one would think that even worse abuses were suspected or discovered than were spoken of publicly, but it doesn't make sense that the authorities would be silent about what they found. Maybe these parents were being unduly persecuted. Thanks again for sending the info and if you find new info, hopefully you will pass it along. Samantha In a message dated 9/10/01 11:11:13 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you send a link or cut and paste the text? I don't open attachments. Oh, and thanks for this: [snip state-sponsored propaganda] I take allegations of child abuse and neglect seriously. Samantha - Original Message - From: Edgar J. Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 3:04 AM Subject: [ParanoidTimes] Press Release: We want your baby. Press Release - Immediate 8:00 p.m., August 31, 2001 Edgar J. Steele, Attorney at Law tel: (208) 265-4153 102 S. Fourth Ave., Suite Cfax: (208) 265-5329 Sandpoint, Idaho 83860 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MISSOULA, MONTANA - First, they took her three young girls on an anonymous and unverifiable phone call that one looked kind of sick. Then they moved heaven and earth, trying desperately to take the baby she bore a month later, though it was several states out of their jurisdiction. Then they had her arrested and thrown in a Montana jail for kidnapping her own children. Now, she is about to give birth to her fifth child and they are trying to snatch it, too, after which they want to lock her and her husband away in prison for a long, long time. Pretty serious stuff. Must be a modern Bonnie and Clyde. How many people have they killed? would be a logical question. Wellnone, actually. What have they done wrong? Their most serious crime: they loved their children. Their biggest mistake: they trusted that truth would find a way. Ruth Christine whiles away her time in a Missoula, Montana jail, while Oregon officials move to have her extradited to stand trial on charges that she helped to kidnap her own children. Ruth is counting the days until delivery of her next child, too - anytime during the next couple of weeks. Oregon's Services to Children and Families (SCF) has had its counterpart in Montana, Child Protection Services (CPS), pay a call on Ruth and her doctor yesterday. Nobody is to be allowed into the delivery room except their people. Immediately upon birth, the baby is to be taken from Ruth and handed over to Oregon. No cuddling. No breast feeding. No bonding. No kidding. Edgar J. Steele, an attorney based in Northern Idaho, with offices in California, has agreed to take the lead in representing Ruth and Brian Christine in what has become a modern-day David and Goliath story of citizens against a government seemingly out of control. They just refused to play ball, said Steele from his office in Sandpoint, Idaho. They must have seemed like easy marks, apparent itinerants living in a bus with their three little girls, parked not far from the public library in Grants Pass, Oregon. Ruth and Brian had chosen to spend a few years traveling with their young family and earning a modest income from his internet-based business dealings. He would use public-access terminals, like those found in public libraries, to conduct business. Apparently, somebody in Grants Pass didn't think that was right, so he or she called authorities to say that one of the little girls looked dehydrated. She did look a bit under the weather, truth be told. It was hot, being midsummer, and the little girl was just getting over an illness. When authorities arrived, they found she had a bandaid on her forehead where she had bumped her head while playing. That was enough. By the end of the day, Brian had been hauled off and booked for child endangerment, the three girls taken by armed deputies to a foster home and Ruth left dazed, penniless and 8 months pregnant, alone and confused in the converted bus which had served as the family home for the past two years.
[CTRL] Police Plan World Conference Against Activism
-Caveat Lector- http://sf.indymedia.org/display.php?id=103816 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- All problems are economic and to tell the truth I am sick of reading about 6 million jews being killed in holocaust to the exclusion of the 55 million others also killed primarily the American Soldier who was told he was fighting for the Constitution, who is now told - hey you died for the jews and gypsies and homosexuals and lesbians - what a pile of shit. according to most sources, america had no significant casualties in the second world war. less than 50 000 i believe. the russians, on the other hand, lost almost 20 million and the chinese were very close to that as well. germany and england were both near 10 million. even canada lost more life than america did. hi deborah. don't listen to saba. inri np: ckcu http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WWII Losses
-Caveat Lector- FWIW, according to R.E. and T.N. Dupuy's _Encyclopedia of Military History_, 2nd Revised ed., p. 1198, the number of WWII *military dead* was: USA--292,100 Britain--397,762 (less than half their WWI loss) France--210,671 (less than 1/6 their WWI loss) USSR--7,500,000 (includes @ 2,000,000 POWs died in captivity) China--500,000 (undoubtedly higher but most Chinese dead were civilians) Germany--2,850,000 Italy--77,500 Italy--1,506,000 All others--1,500,000 Total civilian dead is estimated at 26-34,000,000 I've seen somewhat different figures for many of the above. Calculations can vary depending on whether or which categories of non-combat deaths (disease, death in captivity) or missing are included or excluded. RB Spence A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Was Levy Offed By A Secret Intelligence Agency : No Mention Here -- But ...
Was Levy Offed By A Secret Intelligence Agency No Mention Here -- But Some Say She Was Spying For Israel 9/10/01 10:35:00 AM LewRockwell.com Commentary -- Conditlocks and the Three Security Agencies by Kenneth Gregg http://www.lewrockwell.com For Immediate Release (February 22, 1999) Condit Named to Intelligence Committee Washington, DC- Rep. Gary A. Condit (CA) announced today that he has been appointed to a position on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in the U.S. House of Representatives. This is an opportunity for me to serve our country in a capacity that doesnt get headlines or grab attention but is nonetheless one of the most important committees in the Congress, Condit said. (from Condits congressional website) I do love a good story. Ive been telling stories to my children since my oldest (who is now 25) was a toddler. My girls, ages 9 and 11, love it when story time comes around. I have always enjoyed a good story teller as well. A mentor of mine and wonderful teller of tales was a radio and newspaper journalist, who became editor of the Colorado Springs Gazette-Telegraph and went on to become president of a small, private college and a syndicated columnist for the Freedom Newspapers under the great libertarian, R.C. Hoiles. Bob (Robert LeFevre was his name) would regale me with stories of journalists missing the mark, failing to catch the importance of a story, gladhanding government agents in the hopes of currying favor, and getting a tiny tidbit of slanted news before the next journalist in line grabbed a morsel. I always found it amazing how journalists let vested interests become their vested interest, how journalists spin and twist just the way government agencies want. An interesting consideration comes up with the Condit-Levy affair which seems to escape the media and various commentators. I find this very odd, and it reminds me of stories Bob would tell me about his fellow journalists. According to all reports, Representative Gary Condit, Blue Dog (conservative) Democrat, has been accused of having an affair with an intern, Chandra Levy, who disappeared under mysterious circumstances. I give you the following outline for contemplation. Perhaps it leans too far toward conspiratorial theory, but it does seem to provide an explanation of the events. Consider: (1) Condit is a member of the House Intelligence Committee with access to a wide range of black box agencies like the CIA, NSA, etc. and their secrets. The disagreements, debates, interest group battles in this committee will, most likely, never become public. But we know they exist. Here are institutions with unknown and unidentified multi-billion dollar budgets overseen by a committee of seasoned (meaning bought and paid for) politicians. Vested interests are on every side, in every direction, with no opportunity for public overview. This powerful committee is at the very center of the secrets held by the federal government, holding the purse-strings of each clandestine agency. At issue here are the security interests of the United States in their most basic and concrete forms, Condit said. There are very sensitive issues of immediate and long term national security, and I look forward to playing a constructive role in addressing these issues. (ibid.) (2) Perhaps Condit was on the wrong side of an issue within the committee. How could his vote be gained or lost? How best could Condits decision-making power on the committee be controlled? Blackmail? Does Condit have some little secret, some Achilles heel? Condits appointment from House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt is for the duration of the 106th Congress. Condit is eligible to serve a maximum of three consecutive two-year terms on the committee. (ibid.) (3) The disappearance of Chandra Levy leads one to speculate that it might have been professionally orchestrated. Who, or what agencies, have the greatest experience in murder and cover-ups? Hmmm? Could it be that some agency wanted to get information on a member of the Intelligence Committee for leverage on some favored program? Was it a botched pickup for purposes of interrogation and eventual blackmail? Would nervous agents, in a panic, have decided to clean up their mistake? We can not afford to be lax in our vigilance. (ibid.) (4) Could this disappearance have been effected at the behest of Congressman Condit? This is doubtful. Condit would be the last person in DC to have made this decision, as it would be all too clear that every finger would be pointed at him. His connection with Levy was probably the scuttlebutt in offices throughout DC and, if not, was certainly filed in numerous unnamed and unnamable government agencies throughout Byzantine, DC. It has the makings of a fine story, doesnt it? Alas, my imagination takes this scenario only so far. Perhaps others will fill in the details long after Condits career is thoroughly destroyed. Qui Bono? Who benefits from the
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews and PalestiniansInsideIsrael
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/2001 5:44:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody is making them stay are they? They can leave anytime. Just like my ancestors did. Just like your ancestors did. Just like all Americans' ancestors did whaen they didn't like where they were. Right? Well that depends. My ancestors left England and Italy voluntarily. They may have suffered from poverty, but no one was shooting at them or slapping them around just for standing there. Do tell me about your ancestors. My ancestors were slapped around and shot at and knifed by your ancestors. Those who weren't killed were forcibly expelled. My immediate ancestors were simply exterminated. They didn't really have the option to leave because no country would take them in. As long as there is a Jewish state of Israel, that won't happen again. My ancestors were accepted into the United States of course. Perhaps we should invite any Palestinians who wish to leave the hallowed land of Israel to come here. Great idea. They could move in with you. They could become U.S. citizens and visit Israel to vote in local elections. Sounds good to me. Prudy Me too. They could move to Detroit and send suicide bombers to New York in protest of that Zionist Entity. Good job Prudy. Any more on this? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews and PalestiniansInsideIsrael
In a message dated 9/10/01 4:43:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My immediate ancestors were simply exterminated. They didn't really have the option to leave because no country would take them in. As long as there is a Jewish state of Israel, that won't happen again. It won't happen to Jews maybe but at what expense? Killing and torturing the rightful owners of that plot of property? They could become U.S. citizens and visit Israel to vote in local elections. Sounds good to me. Prudy Me too. They could move to Detroit and send suicide bombers to New York in protest of that Zionist Entity. The zionist entity in America is bound by the laws of a civilized land so they'd be treated as humans here unlike the way your lot treats them, hence no need for drastic measures I'm sure. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] hello
In a message dated 9/10/01 10:01:52 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Rothschilds aren't Jewish? Huh? That's a new one on me too...more revisionist history I s'pose... Bill.
[CTRL] Who's Kissinger Now?
http://www.counterpunch.org/carlkiss.html September 4, 2001 I Wonder Who's Kissinger Now? By Carl Estabrook When I was an undergraduate, a mediocre academic named Henry Kissinger taught a seminar that was attended by my late friend Perry Bullard, a fellow of infinite jest, who delighted in reciting for us at dinner Kissinger's pomposities and ponderous platitudes on politics. Perry particularly enjoyed the graduate assistant who aped Henry's mannerisms -- black suit, black attache-case, and black horn-rimmed glasses -- and followed him about, the two of them looking Perry said like a small family of penguins. But he also said, altering Shelley a bit, "I met Murder, as it were: / He had a mask like Kissinger." (Perry, after exiting the military to which he was indentured by a Naval ROTC scholarship -- and in which he "rigged" Russian ships in Haiphong harbor, by flying as close as possible to their superstructures -- remained a scornful critic of the activities of the Kissingers of the world. He was for many years a liberal gadfly in the Michigan legislature, representing Ann Arbor. During the war, he sent me a saffron-robed Buddhist monk from Vietnam; but that, as they say, is another story.) As national security adviser and secretary of state in the Nixon and Ford administrations (1969-77), Kissinger oversaw a murderous American foreign policy, particularly in Latin America and in southern Asia, from Israel to Vietnam and Indonesia. "Foreign policy is not missionary work," he is reported to have said as he delivered up a no longer useful population (in this particular case, Kurds) to be slaughtered. Kissinger still enjoys the media's fawning regard as a "foreign policy expert": he wrote complacently at the outset of his government "service" that an expert was someone who articulated the consensus of the powerful. Such an expert in power is a minion of dominant social groups and commits crimes in their name. Kissinger's crimes are cataloged in the recent book, _The Trial of Henry Kissinger_ by Christopher Hitchens, who finds him "expert in all those paltry skills of the courtier." *In Vietnam, after the US was compelled by business and popular pressure in 1968 to negotiate and end the regular bombing of North Vietnam, Kissinger and Nixon shifted the bombardment to Laos and Cambodia and extended the war throughout the Nixon administration. *In the Middle East, Kissinger undermined the international consensus for a settlement in the early 1970s by supporting Israel's intransigence, the result being the 1973 war and the wretched situation that continues to this day. *In Chile, Kissinger engineered the overthrow an elected government in 1973 and installed the dictatorial Pinochet regime. (During the coup, the CIA turned over to Pinochet's torturers a classmate of Perry's and mine, Charles Horman, a independent journalist who knew about US involvement; he was in fact tortured and killed, as were thousands of others.) Kissinger defended these enormities by announcing that the "contagious example" of a social democratic Chile would "infect" not only Latin America but even Europe: Chileans had to be murdered to teach Italian voters that democratic social reform wouldn't be allowed. *In Indonesia, Kissinger presided over a massacre of Timorese from 1974 on that was proportionally more devastating than Pol Pot's contemporaneous murders in Cambodia. Today, for a new generation, the ideological disciplines -- principally the worst joke amongst them, "political science" -- programmatically misrepresent the politics of Kissinger's time. A fatuous new book by an academic called Larry Berman -- _No Peace, No Honor: Nixon, Kissinger, and Betrayal in Vietnam_ -- argues that if Kissinger had only had more resolve, the US could have kept its Latin American-style dictatorship in South Vietnam. (He doesn't seem to realize that the US war was always against the people of South Vietnam: three-quarters of the firepower the US used in the Vietnam War was expended on the South, an amount equal to twice what the US used in all of World War II -- because the South Vietnamese refused to accept the government we'd picked out for them.) It is necessary to examine the historical record accurately and recognize the Kissingers and the Pinochets, the Kennedys and the Reagans, as the war criminals they were. It has been rightly said that if the principles of the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials of 1945-6 had been enforced in the US, every President since then would have been hanged. But there is more evil in the world than can be accounted for by private malice. If that were not so, evil would be much easier to deal with: we could identify the evil people, line them up, and shoot them. But that's been tried, with at best indifferent success, showing that the theory is wrong: in fact, we're all in this together. There are, unfortunately, two, three, many Kissingers in Washington today, and only the better angels of our nature can
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Was Levy Offed By A Secret Intelligence Agency : No Mention H...
-Caveat Lector- I think this explanation makes the most sense. Up until reading this, I hadn't known he'd been appointed to a position on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Samantha In a message dated 9/10/01 4:37:31 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (3) The disappearance of Chandra Levy leads one to speculate that it might have been professionally orchestrated. Who, or what agencies, have the greatest experience in murder and cover-ups? Hmmm? Could it be that some agency wanted to get information on a member of the Intelligence Committee for leverage on some favored program? Was it a botched pickup for purposes of interrogation and eventual blackmail? Would nervous agents, in a panic, have decided to clean up their mistake? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Stop John Walters From Becoming 'Drug Czar.' His Drug Policies Ar e Out ...
THE LINDESMITH CENTER - DRUG POLICY FOUNDATION http://www.drugpolicy.org ...on the web Action Alert: Monday, September 10, 2001 Instructions for un/subscribing to this Listserv are at the end of this posting == HELP STOP THE WAR ON DRUGS BY: 1) FORWARDING THIS NEWSLETTER TO YOUR FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES. 2) JOIN THE MOVEMENT TO CHANGE OUR DRUG POLICIES. Find out how at: http://www.drugpolicy.org/membership == * JOHN WALTER'S NOMINATION HEARING TOMORROW* Last week we asked you to go to http://www.ccldp.org and fax your Senators about John Walters, Bush's proposed drug czar. That campaign has been a big success - over 1,500 faxes were sent to 94 Senators. Thanks for your support. You are making a difference! Now, we ask that you call your Senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee (see below) and tell them to VOTE AGAINST JOHN WALTERS AS DRUG CZAR. We need you to call BEFORE tomorrow at Tuesday, September 11, 11:00a.m. Eastern Time. ACTIONS TO TAKE -- If your Senators are on the Senate Judiciary Committee (see below), call their offices today and tell them to VOTE AGAINST JOHN WALTERS AS DRUG CZAR. Please keep your calls short so that others can get through. Every phone call counts and we need to put pressure on Committee members right away. PLEASE DON'T CALL AFTER TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 11:00A.M. Eastern Time. -- Forward this e-mail to as many friends, family members, and co-workers as possible. Ask them to read it and take action. -- Go to our web site, http://www.drugpolicy.org, on Wednesday to find out how the confirmation hearing went. We will keep you updated. SENATOR CONTACT INFORMATION: Senate Judiciary Committee Alabama: Jeff Sessions (R) - tel: 202-224-4124 Arizona: Jon Kyl (R) - tel: 202-224-4521 California: Dianne Feinstein (D) - tel: 202-224-3841 Delaware: Joseph Biden (D) - tel: 202-224-5042 Kansas: Sam Brownback - tel: 202-224-6521 Kentucky: Mitch McConnell - tel: 202-224-2541 Illinois: Richard Durbin - tel: 202-224-2152 Iowa: Charles Grassley (R) - tel: 202-224-3744 Massachusetts: Edward Kennedy (D) - tel: 202-224-4543 New York: Charles Schumer (D) - tel: 202-224-6542 North Carolina: John Edwards - tel: 202-224-3154 Ohio: Mike DeWine (R) - tel: 202-224-2315 Pennsylvania: Arlen Specter (R) - tel: 202-224-4254 South Carolina: Strom Thurmond (R) - tel: 202-224-4944 Utah: Orrin Hatch (R) - tel: 202-224-5251 Vermont: Patrick Leahy (D), Chairman - tel: 202-224-4242 Washington: Maria Cantwell - tel: 202-224-3441 Wisconsin: Herb Kohl (D) - tel: 202-224-5653 Wisconsin: Russell Feingold (D) - tel: 202-224-5323 BACKGROUND: President Bush has nominated a Bill Bennett protégé, John Walters, to be our nation's next drug czar. Walters is an ardent drug warrior who supports harsh sentences for non-violent drug offenders, opposes meaningful drug treatment programs, and denies that racial disparities exist in the criminal justice system. The Senate Judiciary Committee begins his confirmation hearing tomorrow. We need you to call your Senators on the Judiciary Committee today and tell them to vote against Walters. (The Senate Judiciary Committee won't vote on Walters for at least another week, but Senators need to hear your thoughts before Walters testifies tomorrow.) Every call makes a difference, make your voice heard!!! WHY WALTERS SHOULD NOT BE DRUG CZAR -- He opposes reforming mandatory minimums and eliminating the crack/powder cocaine sentencing disparity. -- Even former drug czar Barry McCaffrey has expressed concern about Walters' priorities being heavily skewed against treatment and prevention, saying that Walters is focused too much on interdiction and needs to educate himself on prevention and treatment. -- Walters has not expressed support for reexamining racial disparities in the criminal justice system. He has very recently dismissed concerns about the fairness of the system almost out of hand. In his words, What really drives the battle against law enforcement and punishment, however, is not a commitment to treatment, but the widely held view that (1) we are imprisoning too many people for merely possessing illegal drugs, (2) drug and other criminal sentences are too long and harsh, and (3) the criminal justice system is unjustly punishing young black men. These are among the great urban myths of our time. You have received this message from The Lindesmith Center - Drug Policy Foundation ( http://www.drugpolicy.org ) because you are signed on to one of our Listservs. If you are interested in receiving messages on other topics, please visit: http://www.lindesmith.org/listserve.html If you do not want to receive further emails, send a message to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hitler went after the Masons, the Jehovah Witnesses, the Rosicrucians, the jews in general, but first he took the big guns away did he not and he failed to do one important thing - he did not go after the Zoinists, in fact they got along quite well. Zionists are murdering American Giants only the American Giants do not give a rats ass for they have taken their big bucks elsewhere - no longer do you see the big gasoline stations along the way and let us say Burma Shave signs? Well lots of whites in the country quietly unite and with their big guns await the Zionist at the door in disguise - it is beginning, haven't you noticed? Black Death is already at the door - those who will be saved will be the ones who do not intermingle with blacks and queers and sodomists or whatever you call these people Gay Priders - with Brindle Brown Rainbow creatures waiting to take over white man's dreams - Way to get rid of the garbage - cut off the welfare, vote no and watch the run for freedom elsewhere. All problems are economic and to tell the truth I am sick of reading about 6 million jews being killed in holocaust to the exclusion of the 55 million others also killed primarily the American Soldier who was told he was fighting for the Constitution, who is now told - hey you died for the jews and gypsies and homosexuals and lesbians - what a pile of shit. America can be great again - no more melting pot where the scum also rises with the aid of the executioner's songs. Saba You're off your drugs again aren't you looney bird? Didn't your doctor warn you about this? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fujimori's Little Eugenics Program
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001312183,00.html SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 08 2001 Fujimori operations 'killed hundreds' BY GABRIELLA GAMINI, SOUTH AMERICA CORRESPONDENT A PARLIAMENTARY commission in Peru is investigating reports that hundreds of poor indigenous women died after 300,000 were forcibly sterilised in a scheme backed by the disgraced former president Alberto Fujimori. Julio Velarde, the head of the commission, said the investigation was started after more than 100,000 women turned to the authorities with accounts of how they were made to have the operations by health workers sent to remote Andes villages in the 1990s. The inquiry, one of many into Señor Fujimori’s alleged misdeeds, will also study allegations that several women were left mutilated and suffering side effects after the unhygenic operations. The women’s accounts came to light after Señor Fujimori, who has fled to Japan to escape from unrelated corruption and murder charges, was forced out of office in November last year.
Re: [CTRL] Ingo Swann Views Activities on Moon
-Caveat Lector- Wouldn't even a highschool or college telescope be able to pick some of this alleged activity up? At least be able to make out roads and huge obelisks and such June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Children's drug is more potent than cocaine
-Caveat Lector- ~~for educational purposes only~~ [Title 17 U.S.C. section 107] Children's drug is more potent than cocaine Jean West The children's drug Ritalin has a more potent effect on the brain than cocaine, a study has found. Using brain imaging, scientists have found that, in pill form, Ritalin - taken by thousands of British children and four million in the United States - occupies more of the neural transporters responsible for the 'high' experienced by addicts than smoked or injected cocaine. The research may alarm parents whose children have been prescribed Ritalin as a solution to Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder. The study was commissioned to understand more about why Ritalin - which has the same pharmacological profile as cocaine - is effective in calming children and helping them concentrate, while cocaine produces an intense 'high' and is powerfully addictive. In oral form, Ritalin did not induce this intense psychological 'hit'. But Dr Nora Volkow, psychiatrist and imaging expert at Brookhaven National Laboratory, in Upton, New York, who led the study, said that injected into the veins as a liquid rather than taken as a pill, it produced a rush that 'addicts like very much'. Interviewed in last week's Journal of the American Medical Association newsletter, she said: 'They say it's like cocaine.' Even in pill form, Ritalin blocked far more of the brain transporters that affect mood change and had a greater potency in the brain than cocaine. Researchers were shocked by this finding. A normal dose administered to children blocked 70 per cent of the dopamine transporters. 'The data clearly show the notion that Ritalin is a weak stimulant is completely incorrect,' said Volkow. Cocaine is known to block around 50 per cent of these transporters, leaving a surfeit of dopamine in the system, which is responsible for the hit addicts crave. But now it is known that Ritalin blocks 20 per cent more of these auto-receptors. 'I've been almost obsessed about trying to understand [Ritalin] with imaging,' said Volkow. 'As a psychiatrist I sometimes feel embarrassed [about the lack of knowledge] because this is by far the drug we prescribe most frequently to children.' However, it was still not clear why a drug that has been administered for more than 40 years was not producing an army of addicted schoolchildren. Volkow and her team concluded that this was due to the much slower process of oral ingestion. It takes around an hour for Ritalin in pill form to raise dopamine levels in the brain. Smoked or injected, cocaine does this in seconds. Dr Joanna Fowler, who worked with Volkow on the project, said: 'All drugs that are abused by humans release large quantities of dopamine. But dopamine is also necessary for people to be able to pay attention and filter out other distractions.' But opponents of Ritalin, labelled a 'wonder drug' and a 'chemical cosh', believe it may be addictive and has dangerous side-effects. Moreover, many believe ADHD is a fraudulent title for a non-existent condition once put down to the exuberance of youth. Professor Steve Baldwin, a child psychologist from Teesside University, who died this year in the Selby rail crash, campaigned against Ritalin. He pointed out similarities between the drug and amphetamines as well as cocaine. Mandy Smith of Banff in Scotland has a son of eight who was prescribed Ritalin for nine months. 'I am astonished the British Government have allowed this drug to be prescribed,' she said. 'It can destroy people's lives. My son was a changed person when he took Ritalin. He was suicidal and depressed.' Janice Hill, of the Overload Support Network, a charity for parents of children with behavioural problems, said: 'Now we have thousands of children in Scotland taking a drug that is more potent than cocaine. What does it take before the situation is thoroughly investigated?' A spokeswoman for Novartis, which makes Ritalin, said: 'Ritalin is available as tablets only. It should only be initially prescribed by a doctor who is a specialist in child behavioural disorders and should always be used and monitored under strict medical supervision.' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Salvation Army duo on paedophile charges
-Caveat Lector- Dear list, Please find an excerpt and the url below. Sincerely, Neil Brick Salvation Army duo on paedophile charges - From Roger Boyes in Berlin And Sam Coates - 9/7/01 - Two Salvation Army workers at a British Army base in Germany have been arrested and charged in connection with a paedophile network. The case has sparked outrage among the army community in Bielefeld in northwest Germany and officers privately expressed fears last night that an extensive child sex ring could have been set up within the Forces. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001311192,00.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: Update: Science, Technology and the CIA
-Original Message- From: NSARCHIVE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Update: Science, Technology and the CIA National Security Archive Update, September 10, 2001 *FROM SATELLITES TO PSYCHICS: NEW CIA DOCUMENTS REVEAL AGENCY'S SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL EXPLOITS* http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/NSAEBB54/press.html Washington, D.C., September 10 The National Security Archive today published over 40 declassified CIA and Intelligence Community documents tracing the CIAs involvement in the exploitation of science and technology for intelligence purposes. The documents illuminate some of the CIAs most significant achievements, from breakthroughs in overhead reconnaissance, to some of its more dubious efforts including an attempt to employ alleged psychics for remote viewing of Soviet installations and the wiring of cats for use in audio surveillance operations. The documents were obtained by Archive Senior Fellow Jeffrey Richelson for his latest book, The Wizards of Langley: Inside the CIAs Directorate of Science and Technology, and include material obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, the National Archives, and the CIA public affairs office. The documents show how the agency, in its first fifteen to twenty years became involved in the development of satellite and aerial reconnaissance systems, the technical analysis of foreign space and missile systems, the analysis of foreign nuclear programs, the collection of electronic intelligence to aid analysts of Soviet missile systems as well as those charged with determining the vulnerability of CIA reconnaissance aircraft. (One CIA program, PALLADIUM, involved manipulating Soviet radars to place ghost aircraft on the screens of Soviet operators and determine how well the Soviets could detect aircraft of different sizes.) The documents also trace the evolution of CIAs science and technology activities and organization during the Cold War and beyond as well as conflicts with the National Reconnaissance Office and Air Force with regard to satellite development and technical intelligence analysis. In addition, to employing psychics to attempt to peer into Soviet and other foreign military activities, other questionable scientific activities, illustrated by the documents, included behavior modification research and the attempt to use cats as mobile bugging devices (a project dubbed Acoustic Kitty). A never before published document contains a rather negative evaluation of a remote viewing exercise directed at a facility the CIA designated URDF-3 (Unidentified Research and Development Facility-3). The documents are available at the following URL: http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/NSAEBB54/press.html ___ THE NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVE is an independent non-governmental research institute and library located at The George Washington University in Washington, D.C. The Archive collects and publishes declassified documents acquired through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). A tax-exempt public charity, the Archive receives no U.S. government funding; its budget is supported by publication royalties and donations from foundations and individuals. ___ PRIVACY NOTICE The National Security Archive does not and will never share the names or e-mail addresses of its subscribers with any other organization. Once a year, we will write you and ask for your financial support. We may also ask you for your ideas for Freedom of Information requests, documentation projects, or other issues that the Archive should take on. We would welcome your input, and any information you care to share with us about your special interests. But we do not sell or rent any information about subscribers to any other party. ___ TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE LIST You may leave the list at any time by sending a SIGNOFF NSARCHIVE command to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. You can also unsubscribe from the list anytime by using the following link: http://hermes.circ.gwu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=nsarchiveA=1
[CTRL] Back to School Possibly Murder (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Excerpt: John Taylor Gatto, in his book The Underground History of American Education, writes that in 1965, as a high school teacher in Manhattan, he observed the replacement of basic discipline by a new due process system. He states I watched fascinated as over a period of 100 days, the entire edifice of public schooling was turned upside down. Students prone to trouble immediately understood that the teacher was no longer in charge and that he was not likely to be disciplined, let alone expelled. All hell broke loose as school violence and general chaos began to rise. 1965 was also the year of the government mandated the Behavioral Science Teacher Education Program (BSTEP). Charlotte Iserbyt, in her book The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, points out that BSTEP, funded by the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, was set up to change the teacher from a transmitter of knowledge/content to a social change agent/facilitator/clinician. Teachers who refused to conform to this new progressive education would be purged from public education in the ensuing years. BACK TO SCHOOL AND POSSIBLY MURDER THE SAFETY OF OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN By: Chuck Morse Even Hitler and Stalin didn't specifically target school children for murder while attending class; yet, this unprecedented phenomenon is being visited upon our children today. As parents send their children off to school this season they are distracted by the spectrum creeping on the periphery of their consciousness that their child could be mowed down by a gun-toting terrorist. Arafat may have sent the terrorist, he may have been sent by Protestant extremists in Northern Ireland, or he may be a fellow student, like at Columbine, who shows up one day in fatigues ready for mass murder. Either way, we can all agree, this evil is a symptom of a sick, depraved, and desperate trend. The tactic of blowing up babies as a political statement was launched May 15th, 1974, when Arafat ordered his PLO to attack a kindergarten in Maalot, Israel. Three terrorists shot at a van filled with Israeli Arabs, commandeered the van, entered the school after murdering the housekeeper, his wife, and child, and then took 100 children hostage. When rescuers showed up, the terrorists threw bombs at the children and sprayed them with machine gun fire. Twenty-five were murdered, 66 wounded. The Israeli government responded as any sane government would by issuing firearms to civilians and, like the Swiss, urged Army reservists to keep firearms at home. Teachers, parents, and grandparents of students stood guard at the schools and civilian militias, or Mishmar Esrachi were formed. With an armed citizenry ready to defend life, Arafat would have to change his tactics in his campaign to murder Jewish children. Hence, the suicide bomber posting himself at discothèques and pizza parlors. Arafat has put Israeli children on notice this season that they are military targets and to expect a murder campaign. In Northern Ireland, a group calling itself the Red Hand Defenders has been targeting Roman Catholic schoolgirls with taunts and whistles as they enter the Holy Cross elementary school in Belfast. On Wednesday, Sept. 5, a pipe bomb exploded near the girls as they entered the school seriously injuring two policemen. The girls were seen fleeing in the ensuing mayhem. In the US, the problem of child murder in school is internal and societal. Rather than being confronted with well trained, well financed, and well armed men ordered to kill, American school children are facing down their own fellow classmates. The murderers have been predominantly white, suburban, and middle-class and have come from generally liberal families. So far, every murderer on record has been on some sort of drug prescribed by a psychiatrist. Many of the murderers were obsessed with a combination of violent video games and satanic religious beliefs. Columbine, and probably other schools attended by the murderers, offered a course that used to be called death education but is now called life education. The education change agents have deliberately created the rotten atmosphere that now threatens the lives of American children. John Taylor Gatto, in his book The Underground History of American Education, writes that in 1965, as a high school teacher in Manhattan, he observed the replacement of basic discipline by a new due process system. He states I watched fascinated as over a period of 100 days, the entire edifice of public schooling was turned upside down. Students prone to trouble immediately understood that the teacher was no longer in charge and that he was not likely to be disciplined, let alone expelled. All hell broke loose as school violence and general chaos began to rise. 1965 was also the year of the government mandated the Behavioral Science Teacher Education Program (BSTEP). Charlotte Iserbyt, in her book The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, points out that BSTEP, funded by
[CTRL] FC: Federal bureaucrats defend snooping on U.S. judges (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Ralph Mecham, if the quotes in the article are accurate, is one of the most nasty, snide, and petty characters that I've encountered since I began covering the federal bureaucracy. Shame on him. --Declan] Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:39:37 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tim Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NYT article re Judge Kozinski and Mecham. Declan, There is an article in today's NYT, http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/09/technology/09COUR.html, on the monitoring of judicial internet use. It has some amazing and disgusting quotes by Leonidas Ralph Mecham: He also said Judge Kozinski had shown great interest in keeping pornography available to judges, especially of what Mr. Mecham called the more homosexual and exotic varieties. Pretty amazing stuff that you might want to send out to politech readers who are following this stuff. I was so outraged at the quote that I send Judge Kozinski a personal message of support, even though I don't now him from Adam. Thanks, Tim Bishop, happy politech subscriber. - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] U.S. children in the sex trade
-Caveat Lector- Dear list, Below please find an excerpt and the url for this. Sincerely, Neil Brick Study: 300,000 U.S. kids in sex trade - Msnbc Staff And Wire Reports - 9/10/01 Child sexual exploitation is the most hidden form of child abuse in the U.S. and North America today. It is the nation's least recognized epidemic, Richard Estes, a University of Pennsylvania professor of social work and co-author of the report, said in a statement announcing the study. Based on field research, interviews and surveys from 288 federal and local agencies, the study estimated that 300,000 to 400,000 children in America were victims of sexual exploitation each year. That's 1 of every 100 children in the country. http://www.msnbc.com/news/626321.asp The Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the U. S., Canada and Mexico study info is at : http://caster.ssw.upenn.edu/~restes/CSEC.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FC: Amazon.com ensnared in Middle East dispute over Intifada.com (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Here's a nice quote (below) from someone who's obviously never visited a bookstore or magazine rack: Amazon is not a publisher, it's a store. The First Amendment was not intended for stores, it was intended for the press. --DBM] ** From: Xeni Jardin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [SA Daily] Greenberg Blasts Amazon for Intifada.com Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:36:35 -0700 From my alma mater, Silicon Alley Reporter: interesting piece today on criticism that Amazon.com's is supporting the Intifada from Eric Greenberg (founder of Internet professional service firms Scient and Viant), who accuses Amazon of becoming part of the killing machine--one intent on eradicating the Jewish state and potentially all Jewish people. Regarding free speech concerns Greenberg says Amazon is not a publisher, it's a store. The First Amendment was not intended for stores, it was intended for the press, and I would ask them what kind of business they think they are in. XJ -Original Message- From: Silicon Alley Daily [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:48 AM www.siliconalleydaily.com Amazon Criticized for Links to Intifada.com by Dakota Smith The Middle East conflict has ensnared Amazon.com in its vituperative grip. The online bookseller's seemingly innocuous Associate Program, a customer acquisition service that pays websites to send them customers, has been criticized by one tech industry leader because it includes a Palestinian-backed website. Visitors to Intifada.com are greeted with the Amazon Associate Program logo when they click on the Be Part of the Intifada section. Next to the logo it reads: You can buy books about the Intifada and Palestine from Amazon.com. As a member of the Amazon.com Associates Program, Intifada.com earns referral fees based on a percentage of sales made via the Amazon.com link on our website. This will go towards developing the site. An indignant Eric Greenberg, founder of Scient, Viant, and 12 Entrepreneuring, sent out an e-mail over the weekend to Jewish business leaders and politicians slamming Amazon. With Amazon.com essentially supporting Intifada.com, according to Greenberg, the online retailer is part of the killing machine--one intent on eradicating the Jewish state and potentially all Jewish people. Amazon spokesman Bill Curry said Amazon has received earlier e-mails concerning Intifada.com, but defends having the site as a partner. We have scoured their site, and we have been unable to find any information tying this group to any violation of our operating agreement, Curry said. If anyone has any information that they are in violation of the operating agreement, we would love to have it. Amazon has more than 600,000 members in its Associate Program, ranging from news and entertainment to special-interest sites. Recalling an instance when Amazon.com denied a site partnership, Curry said the company stopped working with a website called The 32 County Sovereignty, after it was discovered the site was affiliated with the Real IRA, a terrorist group in Northern Ireland. Whatever anyone thinks about the intifada, this is a news site about the intifada, Curry said. We don't find any evidence that they are raising money for violence, or advocating violence. According to Amazon's contract, available on its website, applications to its Associates Program can be rejected if the site is deemed unsuitable. Those sites deemed unsuitable include ones that promote violence; promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation, or age; promote illegal activities. If the company was to back off one controversial issue, then there is no drawing the line, Curry said. As a bookseller, like the media, we are committed to the vigorous and open discussion of all ideas. In response to Curry's comments, Greenberg said Amazon is hiding behind First Amendment rights. Amazon is not a publisher, it's a store, Greenberg said. The First Amendment was not intended for stores, it was intended for the press, and I would ask them what kind of business they think they are in. Meanwhile, the Intifada.com site is run by Qasem Qasem, a 24-year-old medical student at graduate school in Dublin, Ireland, and a member of the Palestinian Student Union there. Asked about the criticism of the relationship between his website and Amazon, Qasem seem nonplussed, though he did point out that Amazon.fr, the French version of Amazon.com, had removed the Associate link from his site. Have you seen the site? We're not talking about [violence], Qasem said. According to Qasem, the monies earned from Amazon.com have been negligible, though they do help finance running the site. Ira Stoll, the Brooklyn-based editor of Smartertimes, a watchdog site of The New York Times, points out that though there is no evidence that the monies raised by Amazon.com are directly being used to fund
Re: [CTRL] fwd: REPUBLICAN SEXUAL PERVERSITY GETS IGNORED BY THE MEDIA
-Caveat Lector- Subj:REPUBLICAN SEXUAL PERVERSITY GETS IGNORED BY THE MEDIA Date: 9/10/01 8:09:41 PM Central Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BuzzFlash.com) BUZZFLASH IS WONDERING WHY THERE IS ONE STANDARD OF SEXUAL CONDUCT FOR DEMOCRATS AND ANOTHER FOR REPUBLICANS? IN SHORT, WHY DOESN'T THE MEDIA FOCUS IN ON A REPUBLICAN PERVERT WHO RAN AGAINST JOE LIEBERMAN FOR SENATOR? Waterbury GOP Mayor Faces More Sex with Minors and Sexual Assault Charges. One Report Also Said He Paid to Have Women Peform Sex in His Office. But Do We Hear FOX News, Larry King, CNN, etc. Covering This Pervert? Of Course Not, He's a Republican. (SEE http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/76683p-1075473c.html)By STEPHEN SINGER, Associated Press ROCKY HILL, Conn. (September 10, 2001 6:02 p.m. EDT) - The mayor of Waterbury, Conn., who is already in jail on federal child sex charges, faces state charges as well after an arrest warrant was issued Monday. The warrant charges Philip Giordano, 38, with six counts each of sexual assault, risk of injury to a minor and conspiracy. Waterbury State's Attorney John Connelly said the warrant had been sent to federal marshals. Giordano, a married father of three, has been in federal custody since his arrest July 26 on charges of using an interstate facility - such as a telephone or computer - to entice a minor to engage in sexual activity and conspiracy. The alleged victims are two female cousins, ages 9 and 11. Giordano, a Republican serving his third, two-year term, agreed in August to surrender the power and duties of mayor, although he will retain the title until his term expires Dec. 31. He ran unsuccessfully last year for the seat held by U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn. Federal authorities learned of the alleged sexual assaults while investigating broader allegations of municipal corruption in Waterbury. Connelly said a second arrest was expected in the near future. He gave no other details. NOW COME ON OVER TO BUZZFLASH FOR MORE OF THE HOT, HOT NEWS! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ingo Swann Views Activities on Moon
-Caveat Lector- I'm pretty sure everything he viewed was on the dark side. Yep, I found this quote: His mind was boggled at the sight of lights and activity on the Moons dark side -... Samantha In a message dated 9/10/01 5:48:33 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouldn't even a highschool or college telescope be able to pick some of this alleged activity up? At least be able to make out roads and huge obelisks and such June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dismantle Covert Agencies
-Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time to do away with covert federal programs like the CIA and NSA. Every covert agency in our government must be abolished. Period. Demand it. Dismantle them. Now. ___ Nakano comments: Someone once tried to do this. I will break the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the four winds. -President John F. Kennedy (Nov. 1963) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- This is one of the regular posters using a new alias and playing the newbie. The writing style raised my hackles. I thought it was someone who has been pestering me on another list. Tenorlove --- Mattingly Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- = I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book. Groucho Marx, __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews andPalestiniansInsideIsrael
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/10/01 4:43:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My immediate ancestors were simply exterminated. They didn't really have the option to leave because no country would take them in. As long as there is a Jewish state of Israel, that won't happen again. It won't happen to Jews maybe but at what expense? Not more than 6,000,000. Killing and torturing the rightful owners of that plot of property? Rightful owners??? You don't get to decide who the rightful owners are. They could become U.S. citizens and visit Israel to vote in local elections. Sounds good to me. Prudy Me too. They could move to Detroit and send suicide bombers to New York in protest of that Zionist Entity. The zionist entity in America is bound by the laws of a civilized land so they'd be treated as humans here unlike the way your lot treats them, hence no need for drastic measures I'm sure. Your a funny guy Bill. Why don't you ask the Jordanians, the Lebanese, and the Kuwaitis if they think your statement is right out of your ass bearing absolutely no resemblance to actual history. J2 Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dismantle Covert Agencies
-Caveat Lector- Nakano Nakamura wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time to do away with covert federal programs like the CIA and NSA. Every covert agency in our government must be abolished. Period. Demand it. Dismantle them. Now. ___ Nakano comments: Someone once tried to do this. I will break the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the four winds. -President John F. Kennedy (Nov. 1963) I'm afraid you are both right. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dismantle Covert Agencies...Yes, but How?
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: Every covert agency in our government must be abolished. Period. Demand it. Dismantle them. Now. Nakano comments: This is a great idea and I'm for it, but we should remember it's been tried before. I will break the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the four winds. -President John F. Kennedy (Nov. 1963) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Israel - Facts on Trafficking and Prostitution
Interesting item here - which I will reproduce along with one by Dr. Pierce whom the ADl calls a Nazi? See how the notes compare - Dr Pierce wrote Turner Diaries and oh so dangerous for young people to read..but the filth and garbage they see on TV and sodomists being thrown at them on a dialy basis and little kids being given to lesbians and queers for toys.who is right and who is wrong? Paula Poundstone and Rosie O'Donnell - both have come out of the closet the former charged with lewd and lascivicious behavior with a child and the latter had long tale of woe and was a protected species. Suffer little Children? I say NO - No More. Saba CATW Home Factbook Factbook on Global Sexual Exploitation Israel Trafficking There are no official numbers regarding the extent of prostitution and the traffic of women in Israel, but there is a general consensus that it is becoming more prevalent. (CEDAW Report, 8 April 1997) There has been a steady increase in the numbers of foreign women involved in prostitution who are arrested for illegal stays in Israel and who are detained before being deported to their home-countries; in over 95% of the cases, they were from the former USSR. The average time these women spend in prison is 50 days. The women themselves are supposed to pay for their expenses to leave Israel, but when their resources are inadequate, the Ministry of Interior finances their deportation from a special budget. (Authorities, Neve Tirza women's prison, CEDAW Report, 8 April 1997) Traffickers and pimps earned US$50,000 - 100,000 a year from each prostituted woman, resulting in a US$450 million sex industry. (A modern form of slavery, The Jerusalem Post, 13 January 1998) 1,500 Russian and Ukrainian trafficked women have been deported from 1995-1997. (Michael Specter, Traffickers' New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women, New York Times, 11 January 1998) Russian women are bought and sold by pimps in Israel for prices ranging from US$5,000 to $20,000. (Police sources, 'Invisible' Women Shown In Russia's Demographics, Martina Vandenberg, St. Petersburg Times, 13 October 1997) A small brothel with ten women can make up to 750,000 shekels a month (US $215,000). (Michael Specter, Traffickers' New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women, New York Times, 11 January 1998) Women trafficked from Eastern Europe, were stripped and sold naked as slaves to Tel Aviv traders for US$500-1,000. Smuggling, fraudulent documents, collaboration between police and brothel owners are involved. There are routine brutal beatings and sexual abuse. (New York Times 11 January 1998) The non-profit Israel Women's Network estimates that 70% of prostituted women in Tel Aviv, Israel's commercial center, come from the former Soviet republics, and that about 1,000 women are brought into Israel illegally each year. At any one time, as many as 100 women may be awaiting deportation in Neve Tirza women's prison near Tel Aviv's Ben-Gurion airport, a prison spokeswoman said. (Elisabeth Eaves, Israel not the promised land for Russian sex slaves, Reuters, 23 August 1998) A poll by the Women's Network showed 44% of Israelis believed all Russian immigrant women provided sexual services for pay. Illegal immigrants in Israel, who are mostly Russian, are often stereotyped as having brought crime and prostitution while exploiting Israeli laws enabling anyone with a Jewish grandparent to immigrate.(Elisabeth Eaves, Israel not the promised land for Russian sex slaves, Reuters, 23 August 1998) Official Response and Action While trafficked women are frequently arrested as illegal workers, the men who brought them to Israel -- many of whom are Israeli citizens -- are not. Justice Ministry spokeswoman Etty Eshed said the government would think about making legal changes to address trafficking in the near future but had no date or plan for doing so. (Elisabeth Eaves, Israel not the promised land for Russian sex slaves, Reuters, 23 August 1998) Police in Israel say they are powerless to stop the flow of trafficked women until the laws change. They (trafficked women) are very much afraid to come to the police and complain, so the police really can't do anything, said spokeswoman Linda Menuhin. The problem is there is no law against trafficking people, and no law against prostitution. Rachel Benziman, legal adviser to the Israel Women's Network, said there are a variety of crimes -- rape, abduction, battery, deceit and theft -- which the authorities rarely bother to prosecute for, even though they have the power to do so. It's not a problem of finding the right section in the criminal code. It is more a problem of finding the women who will testify and finding the motivation. When it comes to drug dealing, the police don't wait for someone to come into their office and say they have found drugs. They look for it. We expect them to do the same thing for the trafficking of women -- but they don't, she said. (Elisabeth Eaves, Israel not the promised land
[CTRL] Fwd: The Saudi Arabian Information Resource - Crown Prince Abdullah arrives in Paris
Well Neuropsychotic - in this item you will find reference to the young man who would have been King had his father not been murdered by a Zionist Black from Berkley. His father, the King had made the statement in 1967 he hated' Zionists - Rockefeller cancelled his dinner out of frustration but we never really did find out if he actually made the statement, for it was not said in English. So the State Department sent me the flags which flew in New York for we had the Young Prince coming in (I had wangled this for our city and I worked for the Mayor at the time)..so we had the flags, and the young Prince arrived with his crew in huge automobile, but this young Prince was a kind and gentle man, and we entertained him for the better part of the day. Today he is in Intelligence as you will note in this one item; for your information if you want to check out the story when we entertained this little Prince the local jews threatened to tear down the Arabian flags I personally assisted in putting up in his honor.my boss when I told him thought it was funny for these men were supposedly friends and they were now going to attemt to ruin out dinner. So we went ahead with our dinner..had a wonderful time and it was August of 1967 and the story hit all over the world. The Jewish War Veterans who once before had contacted me, came to our defense and said the Young Prince should not be held responsible for what his father, had said. The father did not say he hated Jewshe said he hated Zionists and to me there is a big difference between the domestic jew in the Holy land and the Zionist, to which Prince Faisal referred. I cared nothing for politics at the time; I took advantage of working for the Mayor and got the Prince to come to our town.we took him to the swimming pool and I mentioned there is my son, who was so young then - and he smiled and walked over to him and introduced himself - and my son was thrilled to death. He wanted to see our sewage plant and lo and behold, the street on which it resided was John Street and I did not know that.. I gave him a book as a gift - The Country in Which We Live - he read it as he left, looked up and smiled - He was handsome in a tuxedo and had been at a party earlier at some big fancy affair, but the dinner we had was beautiful with an ice swan in champagne punchFrench Champagne - and might add while we were upstairs, in the basement of this restaurant - well few years later I saw the neo nazi literature published by this Jewish Mafiawouldn't you know the fanciest restaurant in town, and the son was in with - well that is another story. Today this young Prince I once met seems to be activating - he heads up the intelligence - and it is Osama bin Laden who wanted to restore the rightful King to the throne, which at the time would have been him. It was however, all changed, for when they murdered his father - the brother took the throne. Now at the time, this guy drove out in huge car - Rolls Royce as I recall or Mercedes - we had press from all over the country there.the chicken la mared Mayor of Columbus, was to have him as guest too but when The King said I hate Zionists that asshole ended up in a hospital and the dinner was cancelled. No flags were torn down, but later the Jewish War Veterans were kind enough to say a few kind words for the Prince. Have an interesting item I am sending on Brandeis whom McVeigh quoted - and his idea of the Zionist dream was not the idea now held by the pigs in the ADL Hope this suffices, Neuropsychotic now if you want to validate the story send item to Columbus Historical Society for they archive all news stories - it was August 1967 - and well covered internationally, I might add. Let us say we put this rinky dink town on the map and gave it a little class..and we were Democrats. Today I am a Republican, for the Democrat Party is now controlled by Murder Inc., and this is the element that not only murdered the real democrat party, but JFK, MLK, RFK, shot George Wallace and tried to kill Reaganand then the little Princess boy had she gotten in with little John John or this Arab Fayed who descended from Anient Pharaohs, those Zionists would be out of there. Fiat. Oh, that was the name of the car in which they found the tabloid reporter's body whom some believe, ran them off the road? Have item re Bob Pope, CIA whow ran National Enquirer - all this stuff beginning to piece together - for you see my old MI6 friend who was also best seller author worked for that creep and detested him...bread and butter money, for those cheap English do not pay MI5 and 6 many bucks. Saba The Saudi Arabian Information Resource Table of ContentsIndexMapIssuesNewsGallerySend a message 28/06/2001 Crown Prince Abdullah arrives in Paris Paris, 28th June 2001 Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, Deputy Premier and Commander of the National Guard, arrived in Paris tonight for a several day
[CTRL] Fwd: The Konformist - Daddy's Little Princess
This is an item worth reading as it alludes to many different areas; one in particular this guy named Pope Now my old friend with whom I worked for 12 years Sybil Leek, MI6 trained by Ian Fleming when young worked for the National Enquirer and told me Pope was CIA which I did not find too strange; however, she neglected to tell me he was in with Meyer Lansky through Lucky Luciano? So in this article you find reference to this Pig Michael Jackson now on comeback trail - the pedophile who pranced on the democrat stage with the children like a little peter pan? See the connections here - and consider Los Angeles, now pig stye with Larry Flynt and Dr. Irving Moskowitz into the gambling and pornography - their casinos are nothing other than laundering points for drug money for strange other casinos go busto out there. Strange too how some of these sick twisted perverted sickos thrive in such hard times.note in Israel pornography, prostitution, white slavery, child porno and child prostitution on rise - they try to blame the Russian Mafia but what are they - they are the Jewish Mafia, one and the same. Look at the pictures of little beautiful JonBenet dressed like a showgirl with her hair pieces and bleached hair and lipstic painted lady - and then consider the Santa Claus who was there who wrote the book describing such a murder before it happened - like the FBI agent who had son who made video of Littleton before it happened? Well that's show biz. If people are going to let this piece of shit Michael Jackson come back - they will get what they deserve. I still remember that kiss between Jaco and Elvis little girl, where she almost choked - but when the mob tells you to do something, you do it and this was not exactly a marriage made in heaven, but a NWO Mafia Marriage as sick as they are. This item is worth reading..note how the National Enquirer protect little lesbian fatso Rosie O'Donnell and Paula Poundstone - oh Paula, she was drunk - she ws drunk okay and performed lewd and lascivicious acts upon her hcildren? While Rosie's little girl with the knocked out teeth and damaged nose who she said on air, was accident prone and when comparing her other child to the child of a guest - she said oh how smart her beautiful child was while her child, was duhhh and that du stuf is about as stupid as somebody can get with fatso Rosie's mouth, the duhhh was - well she is so cutsie pooh and she plays the male role, I understand and claims she was used by this little blonde who now has gone back to a man.poor used Rosie. Wonder what the police really found those 3 nights they were called to her house. So much for the National Enquirer - still run by organized crime for I cannot blame the CIA..this Pope might have been contract CIA, but doubt they would let a perverse piece of garbage like that into the famly. This article too long to reproduce but anyone wanting to read about conspiracy it is a good oneand by the way INRI and Joshua your petticoats are showing again. What an asshole you are Joshua2. Saba http://www.konformist.com/jonbenet.htm
[CTRL] Bogus Proof of Hate Actually a Scathing Indictment of Mo Dees HILARIOUS!!
-Caveat Lector- ~Amelia~ Now some are trying to say that because a member of a group attended a rally organized by this man, it proves the organization a 'hate' group. One of the Google sites which is supposed to 'prove' this offers the following hilarious satire and sarcasm directed at one Morris Dees, corrupt head of the Southern Poverty Law Center, from one who knows him well. It actually refutes the very claim our own haters are trying to foster. I have long ago learned to actually look at the links they CLAIM say this and that for often they do NOT say anything of the kind as in this case. Not only is this exposing Dees for his own corruption and immorality, it is pointing out his own disregard for the very minorities whom he pretends to champion. It is only 'hate' in that it is directed at the head of SPLC, a sacred cow like ADL Foxman, whom no one is to question in any way whatsoever. This is worth reading for its comic value if nothing else. Note, too, that one will be labeled as a 'hater' if one dares to point out the immorality of those allowed to label others. Read this evil Floyd's letter below, taken from his research at the Montgomery County Courthouse records. Better not 'diss' Mo or you will be put on the 'lists.'! ~Amelia~ Subject: Boss Dees Date: September 29, 1998 From: Jim Floyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Center seeks civil rights attorney The Southern Poverty Law Center seeks an attorney with substantial civil rights law experience and the talent and determination to develop new cases. Some exposure to education and/or health care law is a plus. Application for Employment To Mark Potok and Boss Mo: Sirs, I am James Floyd from Cullman, Alabama and I am immeasurably excited, agog even, in anticipation of working and playing with you wonderful people at the Southern Poverty Law Center. As we progress through this resume you will surely understand that I have, indeed, laboriously acquired detailed knowledge of Boss Mo and his organization. I have devoted much time and exerted the effort necessary to sniff-out the very essence of Mo and the SPLC. The moral direction of this nation may well depend on you hiring me with complete authority to reinstitute the practices of SPLC's founders. Tolerance, sensitivity, and lots of love, tons of love, have built this bulwark, this bastion of enlightenment for the world on a brand new, high moral road and it screams for a return to those glorious days. While I am innocent of any affiliation with the legal community, nevertheless, I have attained a high level of competency in the law by studying Mr. Dees's court records on file at the Department of Archives and History, in Montgomery. Ref: case no. CIV. 2114 The thrill is gone! Today's aging SPLC and Mr. Dees are a far cry from the adventurous and socially innovative group that we came to know and love just a few years ago. Return with me now to those daring days of yesteryear. If hired, I will, immediately, renew the skinny-dipping- lunch-hour. Yes! We will, once again, all go down to the river, get naked, drink a lots of beer, smoke a little pot and show the corporate world how 'togetherness' can give a whole new meaning to work-time. Ref. Cert. Papers pg. 25, 295 And in the field of race relations, Boss Dees was never one to give only lip and tongue service to the up-lifting of recognizable minorities. No, sir! Mo, always, put his very body and soul in his noble work. Here's a man who laid awake at night planning, scheming even, trying to find a way to share himself, unselfishly, with a young Black girl. Ref. C.P. pg. 459 And who could forget Mo's hands-on approach to the acceptance of homosexuals? How many employees at the SPLC, today, would have the courage to give a naked Charlie Springman a place in bed beside themselves and their mates? Well, Mo did it and he didn't just lay there either! Mrs. Mo described this loving, caring scene; Uh, we where like pretzels, uh, you know, all wrapped around each other. You know, arms and legs all over... And Morris kissed him, you know, down there... uh yea, his, uh, penis. The old 'pretzel principle' of unity. A great America searching for simple ways to bring us together, to show love, sensitivity and tolerance. Ref. C.P. 24, 339 - 342 Your above advertisement mentions exposure to education, again, I must refer to the example of our leader, Mo, and his tireless attempts to educate Americas' youth, starting with his own stepdaughter, Holly. If you hire me, we will put a vibrator-dildo in the hands of all the nations' fathers who have sixteen year old step-daughters. The same brand vibrator would be a nice touch, with an accompanying instruction manual written by Mr. Dees. Ref. C.P. 25, Regarding health care, Mr. Dees's ideology serves as another shinning example to us all. Here is a brave man who did not hesitate to pay to have his and his mistress's baby aborted even at five and a half (6?) months. This, of course, leads us to the
[CTRL] Fwd: Middle East History: Justice Brandeis Was the Savior of Zionism in America, by Donald Neff, Aug/Sept. 1996
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the United States of America favors the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of Christian and all other non-Jewish communities in Palestine, and that the Holy places and religious buildings and sites in Palestine shall be adequately protected.14 Read this and wonder why Timothy McVeigh quoted Justice Brandeis uon being found guilty. See Israel today what Zion Butchers have made it - land of pornograhy and prostitution and white slavery, Jewish Mafia and Russian Mafia controlled by Zionists...see work of Larry Flynt in evidence and Irving Moskowitz who used their dirty money to spiritually sodomize the public and steal Arab land. See the vision of the United States and Brandeis dream as written above being corrupted - even the Israeli young men today are beginning to see what evil is being done in the name of Zionism Saba Middle East History: It Happened In August Justice Brandeis Was the Savior of Zionism in America By Donald Neff August/September 1996, Page 38 It was 84 years ago, on Aug. 13, 1912, that Louis Dembitz Brandeis, a future justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, made a personal decision that would have a profound effect in establishing Zionism in the United States and thereby securing America's eventual support for the Jewish state of Israel. Zionism had been founded 15 years earlier in Europe, but it had failed to gain much support among Jewish Americans. It had probably fewer than 20,000 followers from within the 2.5 million-member American Jewish community before World War I. In the words of a pro-Zionist writer, American Zionism then was a small and feeble enterprise.1 A historian of the movement described Zionism at the time as still small and weak, in great financial distress, and low in morale.2 This began to change after an August 1912 meeting Brandeis had with Jacob de Haas, editor of the Boston Jewish Advocateand an early Zionist. A decade earlier, de Haas had been an aide to Zionism's founder, Theodore Herzl. Intrigued by de Haas' tales of Herzl and the beginnings of Zionism, Brandeis hired de Haas to instruct him in Zionism over the winter of 1912-13. At the end of that time Brandeis was a convert to Zionism.3 Within two years, on Aug. 30, 1914, Brandeis became head of the Provisional Executive for General Zionist Affairs, making him the leader of the Zionist Central Office, which had been removed from Berlin to neutral America just before the outbreak of World War I. Brandeis, the son of middle-class immigrants from Prague, was a brilliant attorney who had graduated at the top of his law class at Harvard. In 1912 he was 56 years of age, a wealthy Bostonian, a political progressive, a tireless reformer and one of the most famous attorneys in the country, known as the People's Attorney because of his successful litigation against big business on behalf of labor. His courtroom victories brought him riches as well as the enmity of the business establishment, including the wealthy Jewish communities of New York and Boston.4 What made Brandeis' conversion so surprising was that he was a non-observant Jew who believed firmly in America's melting pot and had grown up free from Jewish contacts or traditions, as he put it.5 It was not until he was in his 50s that Brandeis began paying attention to the Jewish experience. His sense of ethnic kinship had been sharpened by the turn-of-the-century wave of new Jewish immigrants that had led to rising anti-Semitism in America and at the same time had exposed Brandeis to Zionists. These influences came while his popular causes had estranged him from the Brahmin society of Boston and the New York business community, leaving him isolated from the mainline Jewish community. New York's and Boston's prosperous upper-class Jews rejected Zionism's pessimistic tenet that anti-Semitism was inevitable. Instead, they believed in keeping an ethnic low profile and seeking social assimilation with other Americans. The elite position and wealth enjoyed by upper-class American Jews proved to them that the American melting pot worked. The last thing they wanted was an ideology that advocated establishment of a foreign country specifically for Jews. They feared this would not only bring into question their place in the melting pot, but also their loyalty to the land that had brought them a comfortable and secure life. Implicit in Zionism was the sensitive issue of dual loyalty toward a Jewish state and toward the nations in which its supporters actually were living. Opponents of Zionism in America included Jewish socialists and workers, who disdained it as a form of bourgeois nationalism. Ultraorthodox Jewish religious groups went even further, describing Zionism as the most formidable enemy that has ever
[CTRL] RavFrand List - Rabbi Frand on Parshas Bo - 5757 - torah.org
-Caveat Lector- I know J2 will never take the word of anyone short of, so here is a Rabbi thanking Baron Rothschild for all he did for the Jewish people and recognizing and addressing him, Baron Rothschild, as a Jew. So who rules the world, J2? Is it the rednecks and trailer trash white? (Those are J2's and NOT my ethnic slurs) Who has the advantages? Does this mean that ALL Jews benefit because THE most influential family of the ruling elites is Jewish? That is what you have claimed against whites. Turns out it is a lie, however. But unlike YOU, I do not contend that this works to the advantage of ALL Jewish people. As I said, they are equal opportunity oppressors and profit knows no loyalty. You might want to rethink your hate policies a little more. They do not seem to have been very well thought-out. See next links, especially the Jewish one on Jewish heritage, yours, and how the Jewish Rothschild Dynasty was built. I find it VERY hard to believe that you do not know this. At least you are pretending not to know it. First the Rabbi: http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5757/bo.html Next we have Lord Rothschild calling himself a Jew: http://www.amaana.org/ISWEB/hadroths.htm Then yet another site by Jews on Jewish Heritage describing how the Jewish Rothschild Dynasty was built: http://www.jewishgates.org/personalities/roth.stm begin 666 RavFrand List - Rabbi Frand on Parshas Bo - 5757 - torah.org.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I05-%55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN=]R86@N;W)G+VQE87)N M:6YG+W)A=F9R86YD+S4W-3O8F\N:'1M; T*#0I;26YT97)N9713:]R=-U M=%T-E523#UH='1P.B\O=W=W+G1OF%H+F]R9R]L96%R;FEN9R]R879FF%N M9\U-S4W+V)O+FAT;6P-DUO9EF:65D/4,P13)!,#8T-S,S04,Q,#$Q-0T* ` end A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit 14 year old struck by lightening
-Caveat Lector- The very fact that people are free to and actually are trying to vilify whites as all racists and insisting that they have some major advantage is the reason whites must united to defend themselves against those playing the race card to desperately try to keep hatred alive. Without this hate, Jesse, ADL, SPLC, NAACP and all those are out of business. It is a scam and due process entitles those accused to defend themselves. That requires organization. We still have some semblance of freedom of speech. It is wrong to allow accusations to be made without addressing them and no one ethnic group should be favored over another. It does no good to correct one wrong by creating another. But those doing this know this. It is just the old Jackson scam. Maybe J2 should ask his 'trailer trash' how being white has worked to their advantage so mightily. Now as for the regional attack, this State produces much of the cutting edge technology in science. In addition to the Space and Rocket Center, we have dozens of high tech industries with leading research laboratories. The Huntsville area is known as little Silicon Valley in this regard. Unlike J2, I do not know everything and am not knowledgeable enough to describe their recent accomplishments but among them are being able to 'see' gamma rays for the first time and the laser research on stopping light. It happens to be one of the most innovative areas in the country. UAB hospital is ranked about 6th in research depending on who is doing the ranking and in what area of medicine. We do the best we can with what we have. When you equate poverty in New Jersey with that in Appalachia, not just this State but the whole region, I understand the lack of factual data behind your claims. Only you, yours and those in your immediate vicinity count. So their own ethnic group must defend them and work against defamation of this nature. That requires organization. BTW, I had a wonderful conversation with the person in charge of Minority Student Affairs and this year's medical school class is comprised of over 10% black females. There is no program for disadvantaged whites, Hispanics or Asians. But I am happy to see ANY poor kids getting some help. I am not complaining if it is a bit one-sided because at least it is helping some. Most people contend the Rothschilds are in fact of Jewish descent. I suppose there are no International Bankers who are Jewish and Alan Greenspan is a Baptist. Your tunnel vision is showing. Who really has the power here? The factory working as you call it 'trailer trash' or your other favorite ethnic slur 'rednecks'? I would bet on Greenspan and the banksters. Check those who head all the banks of the Federal Reserve while you are at it. Pentecostals, one and all? Tell another one, J2! As for what does having a heart have to do with football? It is your refusal to accept that a person may have abilities in one area like sports that they cannot translate into another. Because a person can throw a football does not mean they have the potential to become a particle physicists. Let the athlete first get his family out of extreme poverty and then maybe the next generation will be able to contribute in many areas. But you don't seem to really want that! But I understand. Football is a waste of time and the masses do not need any diversions nor entertainment, especially of the variety that takes money away from the only real, legitimate entertainers of this country, Streisand and Spielberg. We can't have that! I am NOT going to waste any more of my posts on the this subject for you have not presented one shred of evidence that the organization I posted the question about is racist. It is because of this exact sort of smear campaign that you conduct that requires whites to organize and repudiate. The problems are economic and not racial or religious. The race card is a tool used by the controlling elite to divide the masses and kindle fighting among themselves. You are doing a fine job for them. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I am told this family is Jewish by many who know everything) They are Baptists and Episcopalians. Not Jewish sects as far as I know. and power elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time and they have been completely by-passed by every social program that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and because they are white.
Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA
-Caveat Lector- The Bureau of Census is, thankfully, prohibited from collecting information pertaining to religion. http://www.census.gov/prod/www/religion.htm ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Nurev Ind. wrote: Someone should tell this babe that the U.S. already IS a 'Catholic country', as Roman Catholicism has been the religion of the majority of U.S. citizens for the majority of the 20th century... She obviously has forgotten about all those Irish Catholics, Italian Catholics, Polish Catholics, Hungarian Catholics, Puerto Rican Catholics, etc. I don't think this is right. I think that the Protestant superstition still has more adherents than the Catholic superstition does. But I'm not positive. Since the mid-twentieth century, the majority of U.S. citizens who stated that they followed a religion stated that they were Roman Catholic. It's right there in the census figures. June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bogus Proof of Hate Actually a Scathing Indictment of Mo Dees HILARIOUS!!
-Caveat Lector- Hey you should read the divorce documents on file which at one time reproduced on the net. Morris Dees of the Poverty Stricken Law Center also made a movie for which he paid and no doubt produced - showed him with his daughter standing in front of a Christmas tree, as though that pig was a Christian and not a scum bag. If what Mrs. Dees said was true this man should be in jail. But money - well look how the Zionists and ADL have received Larry Flynt who now run and operate the once great Demorat Party? This bastards - these are the ones who murdered their way into take control of it for as I was told long ago we need the structure of the party and this pig I had to call for my boss - this Zionist pig - had the guts to tell me then what they wanted and I did not realize what he had said. We had a democrat party in those days - now today in Columbus, it is a black man's party and city and what the hell, you see now why Lex Wexner moved to my home town - they created a Frankenstein Monster. Well the Hispanics I have known are very high type people - you see quality in the one who married into the Bush family - a handsome young Hispanic and oh, you could see the hatred in Jesse Jackson's henchmen when this man spoke once - the camera's flicked on them for they caught it too. Maybe be will be all saying Viva Zapata before it is all over; but Jesse Jackson and Mo Dees and Al Foxman like Clinton, all belong in Harlemn and wait until they find out what a pack of trash has gotten into bed with them. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Prince Turki Al Faisal
Further Neuropsychotic - here is a letter the Prince wrote with regard to his mother upon hearing of the murder of his father, the King. Osama bin Laden worked to get the rightful heir upon the throne - however, the family seems to get along pretty well and are still united. Saba Letter to My Mother Prince Turki Al-Faisal, guest contributor, 28 February, 2000, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. This article appeared in Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. 'O (thou) soul, in (complete) peace , and satisfaction! Come back thou to thy Lord,- well-pleased (thyself), and well-pleasing unto Him! Enter thou then, among My devotees! Yea, enter thou My Heaven!' My dear mother, Praise be to Allah that you have returned to your Lord, as He said all righteous souls would, well-pleased, and well-pleasing unto Him, your soul in complete peace and fully satisfied. How could it be otherwise? When the doctor asked you how you could take the decision for the operation so quickly, you replied: 'Had you not suggested it yourself? And my child, I don't fear death.' Mother, you did not fear death, nor did you fear life. You faced it day by day and battled it hour by hour. When you came to Makkah as a teen-ager, married to your cousin Faisal ibn Abdul Aziz, you did not retreat to your room. You did not cry because you had come far away from your mother and brothers, to a land and language you did not know. You embraced your new life, taught yourself to adjust to the new surroundings. You worked hard to become a strong support to your husband in his dreams and yearnings. You argued and debated with those who opposed them. When anyone opposed his views, he would send them to you. You would convince them. When you decided, you and your husband, that your sons and daughters deserved an education, you did not bring home teachers for them; you built learning centers that are still there benefiting all. When the drive to educate boys in the Kingdom was launched, you campaigned to make the education of girls equal to that of boys. It was a defining moment in King Faisal's history when a group of prominent citizens came to him protesting the establishment of girl's schools in their region. He told them: 'If you don't want to educate your girls, it is up to you. Don't send them to schools. But, for those who wish to educate their daughters I will open schools, even if they be in the middle of deserts.' My dearest mother you were at peace with yourself all your life. That won for you the love and admiration of all. When you started charity societies, you were awakening Saudi women's interest in, and zeal for, charitable deeds - and the results are there: charitable societies of women operating throughout the Kingdom. Yes my mother, your sense of peace born of your absolute faith in God was the pillar of your life even in the darkest of moments. You were a lofty tree that provided shade and shelter for those who came to you. I will never forget that terrible day when I came to you to tell you of your husband's death. I did not know how to break the news. I said he was wounded by a gunshot and was taken to hospital. Did you cry? Did you scream? Did you faint? No, by God, you sprang up, pulled your robe on, and told me: 'No! my husband has been killed. Take me to my husband. Quick!' That was you, my mother. I will never forget your last advice to your sons, daughters and grandchildren: 'Don't keep away from each other. Be concerned about the welfare of each one of you. Bring the smaller ones closer to you. Don't mistreat anyone and don't be unfair. Make people love you.' By Allah's Grace, mother, we will. Mother, you have gone from this mortal world - but your name is on every lip. Young and old, men and women are praying for you. You have gone to the eternal world, have returned to your Lord, and are back with your husband, your life's companion. Happy we are mother for the bliss you are in; happy are those who were sheltered by you, while among us. http://www.arab.net/arabview/article.asp?artID=23
[CTRL] FW: [604] Girls are No Good at Genocide
-Caveat Lector- -- --- - Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew -- Girls are No Good at Genocide I hate being a girl. It totally stinks. Boys are better at everything. In gym class, whenever we divide up into boys against girls, the boys always win. Boys are better at PlayStation and at drawing robots. Who do you think got to go to summer science camp this year? Danny Grella. A boy. Not that I wanted to go to retarded science camp anyway, but you know what I mean. I was thinking about this even more in Social Studies class today. We learned all about what genocide is. And you know who's led, like, every single genocide ever? Yup, boys. A lot of the girls in my class are smart, but most of them are too shy to say anything, so no one even notices they're smart. Even if they know the answer, Mrs. Culver has to call on them and ask them if they know it before they'll say it. So there's no way a girl would get up and make a big speech in front of thousands of Brownshirts. She'd be way too embarrassed. Know how many major genocides there were in the 20th century? The encyclopedia CD-ROM in the library says seven. A whole 50 or 60 million people got killed altogether. But was even one of the genocides done by a girl? Nope. Did any of the tyrannical dictator boys have a right-hand girl who was carrying out his orders for him? No way! There's one more thing girls are no good at. I like to get dirty and play flag football with the boys, but none of the other girls in my class want to get their stupid clothes dirty. All they care about is going to the mall and buying stupid nail polish and purses and makeup. It's so lame. Maybe that's why girls aren't any good at overseeing the systematic mass murder of an entire race. It's too messy. You never see a genocidal dictator wearing a dress and being all afraid he'll ruin it. He's out there in military fatigues, getting down in the mud, making sure his orders are being carried out. This boy dictator we learned about named Suharto, I bet he wasn't afraid to get a little blood splattered on his shirt. Girls hate blood. They run screaming from it. I bet you have to know a lot about guns if you want to make a genocide. Everyone knows boys are better gun-shooters than girls. Who knows even one girl who shoots guns? Also, I bet a big part of being one of those genocidal maniacs is designing stuff, like big camps and ovens and stuff. And for that, you need to be really good at math. I suck at math. I just can't figure it out. That's because I'm a girl. Danny Grella says girls don't have to be smart, because they just stay home and have babies. Well, my mom had babies and a career. Still, she's not the boss where she works. My dad is the boss where he works. My mom has to go in to work on Saturday if Mr. Nagel says so. To be good at genocide, you probably have to be really good at bossing people around. That's something girls can't do. My brother Josh always gets to watch what he wants on TV, even if I really want to watch something. I usually just let him get away with it because I don't feel like getting in a big fight about it. Unlike boys, girls just aren't bossy or stubborn enough to eradicate a race of people from the face of the Earth. It just would never happen. Girls always want to help people. They want to take care of babies and feed them and dress them up. They don't want to throw them into pits and cover them with dirt while they're still alive. In gym class, when we divide into teams for dodgeball, the girls are always picked last. Maybe that's what happens when a group of extremists is looking for somebody to head their regime. The Khmer Rouge picked Pol Pot because they knew he'd be good at murder and torture and all that other boy stuff. A girl probably would have planted flowers in the killing fields. Sure, there have been a couple of evil girls, but they're never as evil as the boys. Nothing on the level of Idi Amin, this boy who killed 300,000 Christians in Uganda during the 1970s. All Hitler had to say was jump and everybody jumped. There's no way a girl could grow a mean mustache like his. Then there was Stalin. I bet no one put stupid frilly curtains up in Stalin's bedroom when he was away at summer camp and then told him they had to stay there because the old curtains were already in the garbage. God, I wish I were a boy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by
[CTRL] FW: this is not good.
-Caveat Lector- -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. Justice Louis D. Brandeis NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew Hey y'all This is NOT cool. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21577.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- -- -- -- -- -- Planet spins - so do I neo-sufi wisdom NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew yep, it's going to be a fun century... http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/09/10/nanotech.ap/index.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Report says Aaliyah's plane was substantially overloaded
Well looks like they took off with a bigger load than when they went in? Strange to hire such a pilot who was going to slammer on cocaine charge? Strange how nobody seems to check these planes for drugs and this little girl had been number one on all lists on net, against guns? Now what about these private planes flying about with these rock stars.and oh those rap stars in shoot outs..such lovely people. Drugs galore - and MTV this little girl was on doing a snake dance, with real live snake maybe 20 feet long. Somehow it suited her personality. Saba Aaliyah Report says Aaliyah's plane was substantially overloaded FORT LAUDERDALE, FL - September 10 - A preliminary report says the plane that crashed with Aaliyah aboard was substantially overloaded. [wonder if it was snowing at the scene - Saba note] The weight of the luggage, fuel and passengers exceeded the maximum weight for the Cessna twin-engine plane. The National Transportation Safety Board released its findings Saturday. No mechanical problems were found. The plane took off from the Bahamas on August 25th -- then crashed -- killing the singer and eight others aboard. An investigator says neither the company that owned the plane nor the company that chartered it had a permit to operate commercial charter flights in the Bahamas. Twelve days before the crash, the pilot was sentenced to three years' probation for cocaine possession. [what only three years? no jail? shame he beat the rap, or did he..Saba note] Current Conditions 67° HIGH 73° LOW 64° »TOP STORIESLOCAL SPORTSLOCAL WEATHER MORE L.A. NEWS RECIPES HOT FROM HOLLYWOOD FREE E-NEWS ALERTS Get breaking news delivered to your desktop and daily E-News alerts. Choose more local news from participating MSNBC affiliates Question or comment for our newsteam? Send us an email MSNBC is optimized for: Microsoft Internet Explorer Windows Media Player MSNBC Terms, Conditions and Privacy © 2001 Cover | News | Business | Sports | Local | Health | Technology | Living Travel TV News | Opinions | Weather | Comics | Information Center | Help | News Tools | Write Us | Terms, Conditions, and Privacy http://www.msnbc.com/local/KNBC/NBCM3GH3GRC.asp
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- At 09:13 AM 9/9/01 -0400, RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Strange...I know a fair number of Jews who have naturally blond hair... I've never heard anyone using the term 'blond' in reference to anyone's ethnic background, but perhaps that's a regional thing; around here, someone who is 'lily white' is referred to as that -- 'lily white'; also just plain 'white', 'WASP', 'vanilla' or 'plain vanilla', sometimes 'whitey' and occasionally 'honky', altho the latter isn't as popular as it once was...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... The term 'blond' is usually used to comment on one's mental acuity, or more accurately the lack thereof...as in she was having a 'blond' moment or he's a typical 'dumb blond'... And in THAT context, the Condits have been VERY 'blond', irregardless of their hair color ;-) lily white, WASP, honkey, etc. are all anti-European American slurs. See: http://www.resistdef.com/ and get educated, and then get sensitive. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- At 06:29 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them In case you haven't noticed, Cooper is racist. No. I haven't noticed that Cooper is a racist. I have noticed that Nurev Ind. is a libeler, a name-caller, and a defamer. Hence the notion that insulting blonds is equal to insulting white christians. I am a blond Jew. I wasn't insulted by the reference to blond-ism, but that isn't really the same. You weren't insulted because you're not white. Jews are not white. I didn't say that. Adolf Hitler didn't say that. David Duke didn't say that. Hillary's guru and Jewish supremacist Michael Lerner said that in his publication Tikkun. Poor White Guys. The erosion of their power is scary. Life is sure tough these days. True. True. True. And us Poor White Guys know that our disempowerment is premeditated and intended. And we know that people like you rejoice in our disempowerment. And we know that you rejoice in our disempowerment because you are a bigot. Next thing you know someone will try to give blond blue eyed Aryans a bad name. You are suggesting that blond blue eyed people have a bad name? How long have you harbored this negative racist stereotype of blond blue eyed people? Have you sought counseling to overcome this inexplicable and ignorant bigotry. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- At 11:01 AM 9/9/01 -0700, Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese Sorry, Pugsy, we European-Americans don't by your racist guilt-slinging crap. You're a bigot. You're an ignorant bigot. You're a creepy, slimy bigot. You're a self-loathing bigot. You're a craven, white-hating bigot. You're a venom-spewing hate crime. You've called us names for so long, that we've learned how to do it, too. Crawl under your rock and eat some drugs, vermin. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 06:55 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. This idiotic proposition seems to be the foundation for a lot of the hard left's belief system: Only the majority can be racists Only minorities can be victims I would like to know what is historical origin of this notion? It seems to me that it at least mirrors Lenin's dichotomizing of the Russian revolutionists into Bolsheviks (majority) and Mensheviks (minority), but in a paradoxically reversed way. I doubt that Lenin thought it up himself. Whose idea was he spouting? DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- : This is one of the regular posters using a new alias and playing the : newbie. The writing style raised my hackles. I thought it was : someone who has been pestering me on another list. : : Tenorlove : This is insulting and absolutely untrue. I have never posted to this list. But I will certainly unsub. Before I go: anyone interested in Masonry and its history should look at the articles in the Eighteenth-Century Studies Journal vol 33 number 2 , Johns Hopkins Univ Press. To paint all masonry as diabolical etc. is absurd. The US Constitution is essentially a Masonic document. Separation of religion and state (the original wording) was the very core of Masonry in that age. The CNP -- if you want to study conspiracy, please look there first. Good place to start : http://www.ifas.org/cnp/ Truly, I am amazed at your pomposity Tenorlove. You pass judgment on the basis of nothing. Maybe you see your own reflection too often, I don't know. But if this is your approach to truth -- please. Try a little more empiricism and a little less ego. Unless you are here to be counterproductive? Cheers, Deborah A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
