Re: [marketing] about OOo Internship Marketing
On 6/1/10 9:49 AM, Katsuya Kobayashi wrote: Hi Florian, all cc:Louis Thank you for your last marketing teleconference log. I felt It's difficult to short notice for every attendee by my poor English pronunciation. :) JA Project just translated the internship announcement for Japanese now. I'll make some questions and follow up for marketing this internship program in Japan. (1) Questions for JA announcement about Bounties, When, Where, How many, How much? It was in the announcement as bellows. http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announcemsgNo=418 Bounties up to 3.500 EUR per enhancement and bug fix (snip) It runs from May 31st to October 31st and accepted students are required to work full-time for a period of about three months on their project. Space is limited, so students are encouraged to apply for the programme now! So ... What is the condition of Bounties up to 3.500 EUR? What does this mean per enhancement and bug fix in the announcement. The students need make a good enhancement *AND* also a good bug fix? or The students need make only one good result even at least? please see the internship wiki page where you can find more information. The projects should run over at least 3 month and where the students can work more or less full-time on the project. When will you start the each project? It may be the limit time at Aug 1st to start. The application period has already started (see the wiki how to apply) and ends end of June or maybe earlier when we have enough appropriate applicants for the number of projects that we will or can sponsor. Where will the students stay for full-time work? At Hamburg with the mentor, or At the home country by online? at home How many members will you hope to encourage this program? 5, 10, or more? we can only sponsor a limited number of projects and we will carefully select the students. The exact number of projects depends on the selection and we let it open at the moment. But as mentioned before we have a maximal number of projects (10). How much cost will the students to keep money to work full-time? Does they need the cost to stay in Hamburg or Not? no Juergen (2)Confirmation about the stand point of this internship I understand the stand point of this internship as bellows. Is it right or not? a) The background is based on the Community Innovation Program on 2007. http://development.openoffice.org/community_innovation_program.html http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Innovation_Program/proposals b) Still there are many OpenOffice.org Project Improvement Themes as CC wiki and To-Dos wiki. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Project_Improvements http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/To-Dos Then I think CC planned as Education Theme like a Community Marketing. (from CC wiki:) .. (education project for developers) C) The history was ... Bug Bounty Program was held on 2008 and it was made succeeded. The result was 6 person and 11 Issues. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/BugBountyProgram http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/BugBountyProgram/Issues But on 2009 it was no Program like this. (from BugBountyProgram wiki:) For the 2009 programm, go to OpenOffice.org_Internship. Then Cor had made the wiki of this time Program for marketing and kicked off. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing/OOoInternship#Marketing (3) Following up of my teleconference comment I had just made one comment about how to promote this internship program for personal and college / company managers. (from OOoInternship#Marketing wiki:) send notices to computer science departments at universities In such project, I think that it is important to be preferable the skill set in finding employment in the future. So I think that it is important to find the agreement about that kind of skill set with the participating student between the college or company that send it off. This is one reference of OSS skill set for the college or company that studied in Japan and CJK OSS forum. I think there are each OSS skill set like this in each country or EU. (for reference:) OSS Sample Curricula for Software Engineering Education - Skillsets and Sample Courses http://oss.kr/?module=fileact=procFileDownloadfile_srl=1884sid=a279afb57fc7fbe529875274dba1fea6 http://oss.or.kr/?vid=nea_wgs2_2document_srl=1883 http://wg2.neaoss.org/ Regards, Katsuya - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Welcome New Council Members!
Hi Margaret, d...@marketing is a mailing list and the response from Florian was a reply on another mail from Louis. Nothing personal to you. You are only subscribed to this list and nothing else. Don't worry no work for you ;-) Juergen On 5/6/10 5:36 PM, Marg Gillis wrote: I am not a new member please let the other people know. I just asked a question of dev/marketing and did not want to serve on a committee. Margaret Gillis please rectify this mistake -Original Message- From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@openoffice.org] Sent: May-06-10 1:58 AM To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: Re: [marketing] Welcome New Council Members! Hello, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote on 2010-05-05 20.25: I'd like to send a belated but no less warm welcome to the new Council members, Olivier Hallot and Eike Rathke. Welcome to the Council! Both new members are longtime contributors to and representatives of active communities. Olivier has been one of the leads of the Brazilian OpenOffice.org team (BrOffice) for some years, now, and was elected to represent the Native Language Confederation, whose mansion includes all the linguistic (and increasingly, regional) houses. He replaces—well, that's an inadequate term, as no one can—Pavel Janík, who served in the Council for years representing the NLC, among other groups. a warm welcome also from my side. Thanks for your engagement for OpenOffice.org and congratulations to your election to this so important role! Looking forward to working with all of you! Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht München: HRB 161028 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Welcome New Council Members!
Hi, oh ... where to start? OpenOffice.org is a huge open source project with many sub projects, one of them is the marketing project. All sub projects have some mailing list where project related discussion take place. dev@marketing.openoffice.org is the main list for marketing relevant discussion and you managed however (i assume by mistake) to subscribe to this list. Now you get all mails to this list. If you don't want it you can easy unsubcribe, see the footer. The Community Council can be seen as a steering committee of the project, see http://council.openoffice.org for more information. I hope this helps Juergen On 5/6/10 6:48 PM, Marg Gillis wrote: Can you explain what this is? I do not shirk work when it is of interest to me. What are Council Members? What type of mailing list is this that I am now subscribed to? Everything happened so fast can you hit play then reverse and answer my questions? How can I take something personal when I don’t know what the heck is going on? Start at the beginning please: I typed is there shareware that would be compatible to paper port that is free. Then I espoused the reason why I feel the internet was started then wham bam all these emails come through... Now your turn Margaret Gillis -Original Message- From: juergen.schm...@sun.com [mailto:juergen.schm...@sun.com] Sent: May-06-10 10:42 AM To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: Re: [marketing] Welcome New Council Members! Hi Margaret, d...@marketing is a mailing list and the response from Florian was a reply on another mail from Louis. Nothing personal to you. You are only subscribed to this list and nothing else. Don't worry no work for you ;-) Juergen On 5/6/10 5:36 PM, Marg Gillis wrote: I am not a new member please let the other people know. I just asked a question of dev/marketing and did not want to serve on a committee. Margaret Gillis please rectify this mistake -Original Message- From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@openoffice.org] Sent: May-06-10 1:58 AM To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: Re: [marketing] Welcome New Council Members! Hello, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote on 2010-05-05 20.25: I'd like to send a belated but no less warm welcome to the new Council members, Olivier Hallot and Eike Rathke. Welcome to the Council! Both new members are longtime contributors to and representatives of active communities. Olivier has been one of the leads of the Brazilian OpenOffice.org team (BrOffice) for some years, now, and was elected to represent the Native Language Confederation, whose mansion includes all the linguistic (and increasingly, regional) houses. He replaces—well, that's an inadequate term, as no one can—Pavel Janík, who served in the Council for years representing the NLC, among other groups. a warm welcome also from my side. Thanks for your engagement for OpenOffice.org and congratulations to your election to this so important role! Looking forward to working with all of you! Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht München: HRB 161028 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] status of the 2004 SWOT based recommendations
On 3/31/10 3:13 PM, Lars Nooden wrote: On 03/31/2010 01:12 PM, Martin Hollmichel wrote: ... As start I created http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Smp_status_2010 for collecting a status of the recommendation done in 2004. O-W + The macro issue can move on to this decade by emphasizing support for scripting in python and javascript. A great many applications and systems use one or both. Chasing M$ junk is a waste of time because 1) the macros will have to be re-written anyway because of the hooks to M$ packages and platforms, 2) any picayune differences, real or perceived, can be used to dismiss the whole package, 3) by the time it is 1:1 bug-for-bug compatible tons of resources will have been wasted and it will be beyond old - the way to win the Red Queen's Race is not to enter, 4) python and javascript work *now* with existing skillsets. If an additional scripting language is needed, then Lua could be shortlisted for consideration. Although it is hard to convince costumers who have a lot of existing documents with containing macros i personally fully support this. Our main focus should be on ODF and automation based on our product with our own API, good documentation and good examples and most important good tooling that makes it easy for users to create their own small automation solution. A good and working macro or better script recorder would be one thing. Recorded scripts that can be easy extended later manually. A good and easy to use IDE with all the nice gimmicks that are available today (e.g. code completion). Juergen O + Clip art can be a way to reach out to various communities. It would make sense to try working with other ODF-based suites (e.g. Koffice) and existing art projects like OpenClipart and maybe even distros. + Documentation at OOo Authors should be seen as a marketing advantage and kept fresh. Many capabilities essential to large enterprises, such as digital signatures, are not widely known or adequately used. There are a number of print-on-demand shops that could be used as supplemental distribution channels and to provide income to the project. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] eWEEK’s Top 25 Technologies Of The Deca de - OpenOffice.org is listed
eWEEK’s Top 25 Technologies Of The Decade From virtualisation to Linux to the Apple iPhone, eWEEK names the products, applications and technologies of the last decade that have changed the way we work, play and live ... 15. Openoffice.org Sure, if the bar for success is supplanting Microsoft Office, then Openoffice.org has been a failure. But if overall impact is considered, Openoffice.org has definitely been influential, especially when it comes to opening up document formats. ... Full article under http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/knowledge/knowledge-it-infrastructure/eweeks-top-25-technologies-of-the-decade-3347 Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] report on CeBIT and funding request
On 3/14/10 3:06 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello fellow MarCons, I'd like to share my impressions of CeBIT with you. Ever since, the German OpenOffice.org project has attended CeBIT, one of the world's largest and most important trade shows, taking place in Hannover, Germany. This year, it took place from March 2nd to March 6th. For the Germanophone project, it is one of the two most important fairs taking place during the year. Open source for the very first time has been one of the major topics for the trade show organizer, so the open source area has been placed in the very famous hall 2. Linux New Media (publisher of Linux Pro Magazine) organized a forum with talks and lectures as well as free booths for open source projects. Like the last years, our demand for the booth has been higher than one single demo point, as usually masses of people come to us. :-) So, like the last years, for this year we also booked our own booth in an OpenOffice.org theme park in the open source area of hall 2. OpenOffice.org had three demo points, and we were accompanied by providers of commercial support and services: Sun/Oracle, SCAI, TeamDrive and FOSS-Group. This helped us showing what professional services are available, and many interesting discussions took place with enterprise users. To me, it has been a real success. CeBIT was one day shorter than the years before, but the OpenOffice.org booth attracts lots of people, from the average daily users, system administrators to decision makers. So, in the end, more visitors per day came. :-) In terms of developers, CeBIT is not very important, but all other target audiences stop by. This year, a total of at least 8 people manned our booth to fit the demands -- some of them being there all week long, some of them only for a few days. Important topics this year have been compatibility with office 2010, network deployment and, of course, the Ribbon. :-) We had interesting talks, good conversations and got in touch once again with important decision makers, so in total, it helped strenthening the recognition of OpenOffice.org and will probably lead to a few more adoptions. I've already begun to follow-up on individual conversations and hope to be able to present some more information soon, when we have more details. Several lectures on OpenOffice.org have been held: Jacqueline talked about news in OpenOffice.org 3.2 [1], Michael introduced his legal counsel software for OpenOffice.org [2], and I presented the Munich open source meetups [3], jointly organized by Mozilla and OpenOffice.org. On the last day, we even had a nice CeBIT interview with RadioTux [4], where I could introduce product and community of OpenOffice.org and talk a little bit about migration, compatibility and large adoptions. CeBIT also was a chance for us to introduce our second OpenOffice.org Congress for Business and Administration, to be held in Munich in November. I didn't take many pictures, but uploaded a few to my album [5], so you get an impression on how our appearance has been. Unfortunately, CeBIT has a large drawback: It is fairly expensive. Like the last years, the nonprofit OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. paid for the booth and other costs, which had been more than 3.000 € in total. For the travelling and lodging costs of all booth personnel who requires it - about 8 people - I'd love to get funding from the marketing project. Costs are approximately 2.500 € (and thus a bit higher than last year), and I think it is a fair deal to divide costs between OOoDeV and the marketing budget. Having less people and thus less costs wouldn't be an option, due to the length of the trade show and the masses of visitors you need to deal with. I agree, that in total, CeBIT is very expensive, but for us, it has such an important marketing impact, that we shouldn't miss it. Being there is just a necessity -- and makes a lot of fun. :-) +1 from me for funding and a +1 for future activities on Cebit Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] T-shirts from FOSDEM on wiki
On 3/9/10 12:35 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing/T-Shirts oh, you have hired some models to present the shirts. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [council-discuss] Call for Nominations for Community Council Seats
On 3/2/10 9:04 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: On 2010-3-2 9:36 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: I'd like to nominate John McCreesh, Co-Lead of the Marketing Project and its former Lead, for a second term. John has ever since been working in the spirit of the community, and I respect his wisdom and his way of collaborating, as well as his enthusiasm. I'm sure that having him on the Council for a second term would greatly contribute to the efforts of our community. +1 I second the nomination of John. The number of positions and method of nomination is not clear from the wikis http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Election_Process_Proposal Regards, /Lars Also where to do the voting. people who are allowed to vote will get an invitation when the nomination is done and the voting begin Juergen Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Integration for 3rd party software
On 3/2/10 9:24 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On 3/2/10, Per Erikssonpereriks...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi, Do we know of any bigger providers of software which have integrated support for OpenOffice.org into their products? Biggest I have imagine is IBM with their workplace and then their Symphony product. I am thinking mainly of economy and auditing software but also others, which often have hard-coded integration into Microsoft Office. These producers exist in Sweden too and are hopefully beginning to integrating their products with OpenOffice.org. I think that was the spirit of URE but I am not sure exactly how much functionality can it be developed from it. no, the URE was intended to use UNO the component technology standalone. ISV's can of course use the office API via UNO to connect to a running office instance (keyword simple bootstrap mechanism) and can do whatever they want to remote control the office, create documents, etc. This can be done very easy with Java, Python or .NET languages. C++ requires always a little bit more work but that is natural for C++ with the binary incompatibilities on the different platforms. Standalone document creation can be also achieved by using the ODFToolkit Java API's without any office. The generated documents can be used later on in the office for further use etc. There are different ways possible to integrate into or connect to other software systems. I would say it depends on the planned integration. Extensions for example can be also a good way to connect to other systems directly from the office. For example the Google docs extensions or our Sharepoint and Alfresco Connector and many more. Juergen Do we have any example of use cases from similar companies or providers? 3OSpaces might be a product that could have used some type of OOo code, but I am not sure, and I can't pin point any specifics. Best Per - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Templates for ALA conference
On 2/27/10 2:27 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: 2) CD label art I know you asked about that - did you find what you needed on that? There has been no word from the art department other than they are working on the branding and that will take time. Well - I know it feels like a corporation around here most of the time, but that is the Art Project, not Department, and Bernhard and folks are volunteering their time, talents and efforts. If we add these other items does that change what we should to with label art? It might be nice to add the OOo4Kids logo but then I think we would run into a problem as that could be considered modifying the OO,o art which is not allowed. Really! So how do they come up with special event logos for things like FOSDEM, or the different OOoCon logos - it has to be 100% from scratch each and every time? No way that's what they do. the official trademarked logo is important. I think everything else is more flexible but it is important that we use always more or less the same. And that is when i got i correct the idea of the art and branding project. Fos FOSDEM we choose an additional image to transport a specific message. I think we will always need such things and ideally we have some of them in place for different events and use cases that can be easy reused world wide. I would go with one clear visual concepts for ALA and wouldn't mix different things. OOo4Kids addressed a completely different user group and librarians are probably more interested in OOo. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Templates for ALA conference
On 2/27/10 4:56 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: OOo4Kids addressed a completely different user group and librarians are probably more interested in OOo. Hello Juergen well - I respectfully disagree: http://www.hcplc.org/hcplc/justkids/ http://www.zwickau.de/de/stadtbibliothek/infos/adressen/kinderbibliothek.php http://www.buecherhallen.de/ ok, thanks for the links. Good to know this ;-) Juergen Thanks Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Templates for ALA conference
On 2/27/10 5:45 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Hello again On 2/27/2010 10:21 AM, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Fos FOSDEM we choose an additional image to transport a specific message. Ok - do you mind if I ask what that message was? see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2010#Stand_material for the interpretation of the image We needed mainly a nice image that we could use for the shirts and the squirl worked perfectly. In short OOo and it's world wide community. And what's more important everybody can be part of it quite easy. I include OOo users as part of the community as well. Ok it's the broader or outer community but they often help to promote OOo by simply talking about or recommend it. Juergen Thanks Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org at BASIS SoftExpo 2010
that sounds very good and shows again how important India is. All the different local languages and OOo can already support some of them and hopefully more tomorrow. Thanks for the information Juergen On 2/18/10 11:17 PM, mak wrote: Dear All, We had a great event, we enjoyed the BASIS SoftExpo 2010 a lot. It was a 5 day exposition within a huge arena thousands of visitors stopped by our booth. They listened to us and almost everyone got excited to see OO.o in mother language. Most of them collected Bangla OpenOffice.org (in CD) promptly. Few of them collected Manual in Bangla. Our bn_BD l10n contributors got OO.o T-Shirt, also distributed huge amount of hadbills to visitors. My organizationhttp://ankur.org.bd/wiki/Home developed the OO.o spell checker extension consist of 300,000 Bangla words, it was a hotcake; we had bundled it with OpenOffice.org CD. Take a look in the photo stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ankur_bangladesh/sets/72157623334563751/ Regards from Bangladesh. mak_ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Donate to OOo via Twitter
On 2/15/10 5:46 PM, Goran Rakic wrote: У пон, 15. 02 2010. у 10:38 -0600, Alexandro Colorado пише: Is just a gateway to connect to the paypal account. so is the same as a paypal donation, except this adds some interesting layers like total donations and goals. No, it is not just a gateway. They are aggregating all received funds, pending a release and taking 3% commission to withdraw using PayPal. The implication is that TeamOOo will not receive many small donations from various entities, but a single donation when funds are transfered from Twonate. The treasurer should confirm if that is OK for their tax reports. thanks for this additional information. Alexandro please communicate such things first before you do anything, just to avoid problems, confusion etc. Please don't get me wrong all this ideas are welcome. But we should discuss it first and we should always ensure/clarify that we are safe related legal or tax issues. Just my 2 cents Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Donate to OOo via Twitter
On 2/15/10 6:59 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com wrote: On 2/15/10 5:46 PM, Goran Rakic wrote: У пон, 15. 02 2010. у 10:38 -0600, Alexandro Colorado пише: Is just a gateway to connect to the paypal account. so is the same as a paypal donation, except this adds some interesting layers like total donations and goals. No, it is not just a gateway. They are aggregating all received funds, pending a release and taking 3% commission to withdraw using PayPal. The implication is that TeamOOo will not receive many small donations from various entities, but a single donation when funds are transfered from Twonate. The treasurer should confirm if that is OK for their tax reports. thanks for this additional information. Alexandro please communicate such things first before you do anything, just to avoid problems, confusion etc. Please don't get me wrong all this ideas are welcome. But we should discuss it first and we should always ensure/clarify that we are safe related legal or tax issues. Well having an account doesn't mean either or, in all cases we already have control of the ID openofficeorg if we decide this is not something we want to get into we can just drop. However if we sit and wait, might be some name hijack or something that will end up having to go for a more odd title. After all this is still a public list and anyone can read it. mmh, maybe you are right but i would assume that if this service is serious they would take care of a misuse of the name openoffice or any similar name. Juergen Just my 2 cents Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Presentation to use at a booth (from FOSDEM 2010)
On 2/10/10 11:30 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi all, As per subject ... pls see the wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing/PresentationForAtBooth http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing/PresentationForAtBooth (Thanks for those contributing to the file. Especially Documentation was responsive ;-) ) Best regards, Cor Does anyone has a list of the actual material and design elements that were showcased during fosdem in the end. I thought there were some booklets, t-shirts, stickers and other things. Would like to see if there were any of these documented. SCALE is next week and would like to see if I can get some stuff printed. the t-shirts, stickers and 3 posters had all the same design, see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2010#Stand.2FBooth The stickers worked very well and were well accepted. With the shirts it was a little bit more difficult this year. But we have that expected because last year we had a much better place. And we took a 15 Euro donation this year. We had some more material from the German OOo group, mugs and USB sticks with OOo logo. We had the Sun produced flyers that are available somewhere in the wiki or web. And we had some info material from Leo. And we had some prices for the quiz (USB headset, wireless mini mouse, lamps, caps, ...) I will summarize it later on the wiki page. Juergen Regards -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Some very interesting stats
On 2/10/10 9:45 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Benjamin Horst wrote: These stats are interesting and very positive for OOo. On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Andy Browna...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html Because the stats were collected using javascript in FlashCounter, the OOo share is likely to be even a bit higher than what Thomas shows. Many OOo users are, almost by definition, more active in their choice of software and settings and are far more likely to fully or partially block javascript(*) and thus left out of the stats. If I recall correctly there was some data from a few years ago showing that about 68% of MS Office's sales was due to OEM bundling. I know that one of the holy grails would be to break the OEM monopoly and get OOo bundled instead of or along side MSO. mmh, nice idea but probably impossible. I think the vendors get money to bundle this piece of software with their computers. Or do you have concrete ideas? Juergen /Lars (*) Contrary to the myth perpetuated by e-nebbishes posing as web designers, it's possible to have a dynamic and colorful web site without javascript. Thomas' has a nice roll-over effect on the table's rows using pure CSS. The added advantage is vastly improved security. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles
On 1/31/10 11:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On 1/31/10, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote (31-01-10 20:05) On 1/31/10, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote (31-01-10 19:12) my suggestion is to go to the education IRC rooom and understand where ericb is comming from, is just better than trying to force an answer. If a project lead accuses people or situations in the project, it is nothing more than reasonable that he is asked for explanation. So how is that different with what I said... he will get his explanation there. I think there is a difference. This is not about explanation to some 'he'; it is about responsible communication on the list. So if Eric does his statements on public list, why should we move to IRC for explanation? Not sure why you are discussing an advice I gave to Juergen. Cor just explained why i have replied on the mail nothing more. The medium if email or IRC is secondary. I preferred to keep the context. Juergen Maybe IRC can be used as intermediate step, but finally this must be resolved in the very thread on the mail list. Either short or long, but making clear that there is understanding between the people that work in the project, that is recognized where improvements are/may be possible, where possible misunderstandings played a role, and which steps will be made. Something like that. I've little doubt that your project lead understands that working along these lines is important for constructive cooperation. So it's Erics turn. Regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Council member - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht M¸nchen: HRB 161028 Gesch‰ftsf¸hrer: Thomas Schrˆder, Wolfgang Engels Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin H‰ring - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles
Hi, first of all sorry that i reply on this thread because it is a slightly different topic. But i would like ask some questions to clarify the situation. On 1/15/10 9:30 AM, eric b wrote: Hi Jürgen, Sorry for the delay, but I don't have a lot of time for mails. Le 12 janv. 10 à 10:57, Juergen Schmidt a écrit : Not exactly : we did a lot, but outside of the OOo website. that is my first question, why? Since two years, the Education Project, received a lot of bad knocks (mostly me in fact) and the strategy was to block every try to create something new. i don't know exactly what you mean, can you please so kind to provide concrete examples. It would really help to understand what went wrong if we know the details. Worse: some projects derivated the Education part, what is not really kind from a Community point of view. again, can you please give concrete examples what you mean here. Back to your question, externalize everything was an answer to that: do it fastly, without bad constraints, and innovate for true. And proof the current model is .. sub optimal. mmh, it's an opinion and strategy that i personally don't really understand and from a project perspective don't really like. If there are problems, then they should be addressed in some way and we should try to find a solution together. The fact is, Education Project innovated a lot, and since it has some visibility, more bad knocks arrive. again Eric without being a little bit more concrete, such comments are difficult to understand. And i would really like to understand it. Anyway many activities driven from the education project are very interesting and promising. And i am sure many people are interested to help and to make it a success. But many things overlap with other areas and it is important to work together as one project. That is one reason why i always see our project structure as a virtual and internal one. For me there is only one global project and that is OpenOffice.org. OpenOffice.org with all the sub-projects and different activities in different areas. Creativity needs freedom, and OpenOffice.org website does not exactly provide the tools we need. no objections for freedom but is this really true and have you tried it. Yes, it is : we have extremely efficient and active lists, outside of the common organisation, and our work ( through OOo4Kids) is well appreciated. The Campus Libre is promising too. nobody says that these external communication channels are not effective. The question is what exactly did you miss on the OOo website. For example what was the reason for moving the discussion away from the existing mailing lists of the education project? I don't understand this without knowing details. Other good example is OOo4Kids : we created a good communication with OLPC community, and Gdium community too. good to hear that All this is extremely good for OpenOffice.org Project, and extends the community. In case of your mentioned http://educoo.edulibre.org/ i see a drupal system the same framework that we use for our extension site. Indeed. FYI, EduLibre is yet another french non profit association. We have several different services under services.openoffice.org. Can you give concrete details please. The reason is this is still experimental, and we work with other non profit associations (not only EduLibre), and we can not decide everything. Should it be considered or evaluated again because the education project is an official OpenOffice.org project What should be considered again ? The experimental Forge ? Again, this is still experimental, and Edulibre is another non profit association. What is the problem ? Isn't OpenOffice.org a Community ? When I read you, I have some doubts ... If you mean the Education Project : since two years, it is blocked as Incubator project, but maybe things could improve, indeed. and from my point of it should run under the OOo umbrella and the typical OOo design. What means OOo Umbrella term exactly ? for me it is that all the services should be under the same domain (openoffice.org or services.openoffice.org) and should have a common design. And yes there is still room for improvements in the area of a common design. But the same domain shouldn't be a problem and it simply gives a better picture to the outside. But that is my personal opinion. For example, I read NeoOffice is supported in the official OpenOffice.org forums. Why BTW ? So why not officialy support OOo4Kids in the forum too ? OOo4Kids is under LGPL V3 license, and this is really more compatible with OOo than NeoOffice :-) ? i don't know and of course i see no reason why OOo4Kids shouldn't be supported there as well. Have you tried it? Back to design : -personal opinion- I don't like Sun design, sorry. Probably because I'm not good with design myself ... :-) I think and as far as i know the OOo webpage (the current design) was mainly
Re: [marketing] OOo Branding
Hi Bernhard, i would appreciate if any further discussion would take place on one list only because it is much easier to follow and no duplicates. Juergen On 1/31/10 4:16 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, thanks Florian for posting this message. Even if we wanted to give our feedback much earlier, our spare time is limited and we wanted to provide a summary we both can support... As nobody replied so far, we are happy to address all your open questions ;-) (Or is time at yours as limited as ours?) You're welcome to comment the summary and ask questions to any of the topics we discussed, but in the meantime I'd like to go on with the agenda for the branding initiative. As you read in the summary I don't insist on establishing a top level OOo branding project at the moment, because we need the time and effort for work on the content instead of architecture (and because of the similar goals with marketing). As new working area we thought of a dedicated mailing list, an area in the wiki and a starting page from the OOo site. As mailing list he already created brand...@marketing.openoffice.org For the wiki I'd propose http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/branding and as entry point from the OOo site we should use http://marketing.openoffice.org/branding Wiki page and website page haven't been created by now, but if you don't have any concerns we create them soon. During the next days I'd like to start two actions to get this initiative working: 1) Collect thoughts about our main branding directive as basis for our work. This the most important point because all our visual representation should aim at the goals the community wants to reach with our product and our project. A consistent visual concept for all graphical representation of OpenOffice.org will help a lot in this area - thats one of the main goals of the branding initiative. 2) Invite people from any related project (art, marketing, website, UX, documentation, native-lang projects come to my mind) to join the initiative and play a part there contributing the thoughts and visual ideas already existent in their projects and bringing back to these projects the results of our discussions and recommendations. After that we should start to work on the topics already mentioned in the Hamburg meeting summary. Florian Effenberger schrieb: [...] Action items for the branding project/initiative: - Determine all branding relevant areas inside the OOo projects, look how branding is done at the moment and involve the people working on these areas in the common effort of creating a consistent branding. - Define the right number of general branding elements (we found two or three should be enough if they are presented with similar graphical surrounding wherever applicable). Find out, which one of the present can be used unchanged, which need an update, which should be dropped. - Define guidelines for the right usage of the branding elements. [...] Such a change needs a certain amount of time to lead to a consistent content of website(s), product, documentation and marketing material. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht M¸nchen: HRB 161028 Gesch‰ftsf¸hrer: Thomas Schrˆder, Wolfgang Engels Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin H‰ring - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] American Library Association 2010 Annual Conference
:) Again, only my 3cents... Still, all validated by my personal/professional experience in terms of 'what really works'. As always, thanks for listening... ~Christine - Original Message - From: Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [marketing] American Library Association 2010 Annual Conference Andy, Sign - no. Joyce got a quote for a 3 ft banner today, but she hasn't gotten that to me yet. Flier - ah, tell you the truth I didn't really have to time to look that over, I will do so this weekend OK. Thanks Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht M¸nchen: HRB 161028 Gesch‰ftsf¸hrer: Thomas Schrˆder, Wolfgang Engels Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin H‰ring - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Andalucian schools start receving laptops with OpenOffice.org
On 1/25/10 10:14 PM, j...@openoffice.org wrote: Andalucian school started receiving laptops with GNU/Linux system with OpenOffice.org in it. Video source here (in Spanish): http://www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20100112/colegios-andalucia-ordenadores-empiezan-a-llegar-a-aulas/666850.shtml?s1=noticiass2=tecnologias3=s4= good news Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [api-dev] Help needed ... - FOSDEM input
Hi, i initially forgot the documentation and QA project. Clayton have asked on the documentation list as well and i would like to use his words (sounds much better from a native speaker) to remind you ;-) Replace the documentation project with any other project where you are working on or where you are involved and send your quote directly to me. ### So... if you don't mind being famous for 15 seconds at this years FOSDEM in Belgium... here's your chance. :-) What we are looking for is one or two sentences about why you contribute to the Doc Project... what motivates you. Nothing profound, just something that will add a human element to the slides. Something like I'm a part of the documentation project because it gives me a chance to participate in OOo even though I'm not a software developer. You know.. that sort of thing. Time is tight though... if you're able/willing to give me a one or two line quote, send it to me directly. C. ### Juergen On 1/13/10 10:09 PM, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, first of all sorry for cross posting but we need your help. Maybe you have heard that we will have a stand (and a DevRoom) at the FOSDEM conference at the beginning of February. We are working on an endless presentation that we can run (besides demos) at the stand to inform users as well as developers and all other interested people. The FOSDEM is typically an event where we are looking for new developers. But any kind of help is welcome and so we are looking for quotes from people about their motivation to work on the OpenOffice.org project, their experiences, their contribution etc. Please send us your quotes (~1-2 short paragraphs, think about presentation slides). I know about very interesting people who started as GSOC students and who are professionals today working full time on OOo, or people started with SDK examples first and moved over to become an accepted developer... Many many more examples, so please don't hesitate and send us one or more quotes from you. The results will be published and can probably be used for other events as well. To have enough time to work on the material i would suggest that you send us your input until January 20th. Either to me directly or on one of the mailing lists. Thanks in advance Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@api.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@api.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] swag for Bengali-Bangladesh (bn-BD) team
On 1/16/10 10:30 PM, mak wrote: Hello all, On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.orgwrote: I guess you're not subscribed to this mailing list, thus I'm forwarding Jürgen Schmidt's reply: You are correct. can you give us some more details for what exactly the 500 US$ should be used. Your work is highly appreciated and probably worth the funding. But for funding we need a detailed request. I wanted to ask for the same. ;-) Can you give more details? Here is a draft of details, we can flex as per budget you may allow. * DVD (500 pcs. X 50 bdt) = 25,000 bdt* As I've mentioned earlier in mail, there is an estimate for 300,000 visitors. In Bangladesh Internet is not that much efficient that anyone would consider downloading OpenOffice.org unless he is a FOSS enthu. Moreover, there will be Govt. / Private company representative visiting everyday. The easiest way to preach in favour of OO.o is a free DVD containing the OO.o installer along with our Bangla Manual (212 pages). I'm planning distributing 100 DVD each day, hence 500 DVD for 5 day. *T-Shirt (20 X 100 bdt) = 2,000 bdt * This is for active OO.o volunteer, mostly l10n contributors, this would be the first time we can reconcile their efforts. *OO.o Sticker 3,000 bdt* In my country, School / College students, teenagers likes teaser sticker. *Banner, Festoon 2,500 bdt* OpenOffice.org Banner and Festoon to be hanged in our booth. *Leaflet / Flyers 2,500 bdt* A total of* 35,000 BDT or 500 US$* ( http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-converter#from=USD;to=BDT;amt=500) thanks for the details, +1 from my side. If you like to reuse the design that we use for the FOSDEM (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2010), please let me know. If you provide the tranlsation into Bangla, the designer can probably help with it. My organization is paying for the Booth / Stall. great Juergen *Note:* BDT means Bangladeshi Taka (is our Currency) DVD contents: Localized OpenOffice.org installer, Bangla Manual, Ankur Bangla spell checker extension, Bangla complex script installer for window$, and free fonts from us. And I suggest you subscribe to d...@marketing by sending an empty e-mail to dev-subscr...@marketing.openoffice.org Subscribed. FYI, I have had successfully arranged OpenOffice.org launching in 2006, when John visited us ( http://www.mealldubh.org/index.php/2006/03/10/old-dhaka-and-openofficeorg-marketing/). Thanks for responding positively. -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] swag for Bengali-Bangladesh (bn-BD) team
On 1/16/10 11:04 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi mak, all, mak schrieb: Here is a draft of details, we can flex as per budget you may allow. * DVD (500 pcs. X 50 bdt) = 25,000 bdt* As 100 bdt are around 1 Euro, this means 250 € for 500 DVD. Generally CDs and DVDs are not given away for free, but for a small amount of money - either the costs we have or a small donation. i would say that it is always appreciated but not a fixed requirement or always necessary. Especailly in some countries i would give them for free and i am sure it is worth the investment. And it really depends if you give CD's to everyone or only after some talk with interested people. Juergen This avoids people to take them as free gifts and throw them away afterwards. In Europe about 1 Euro is not really much - everybody interested in a copy of OOo will be able to pay that much, but for Bangladesh I don't know if it is reasonable to ask for money at all or what would be a comparable amount of money. 1 Euro in Europe means about 1/2000 of the money an average employee takes home every month. *T-Shirt (20 X 100 bdt) = 2,000 bdt * This is for active OO.o volunteer, mostly l10n contributors, this would be the first time we can reconcile their efforts. +1 The other proposed expenses seem reasonable for me (it's not comparable to European prices), so I'd support your request. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] newslet...@marketing.openoffice.org mailing list
On 1/16/10 12:08 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, my perception is that the newslet...@marketing.openoffice.org mailing list isn't widely used anymore. It was dedicated to the compilation for the newsletter and for sending news clippings to. I suggest to use the d...@marketing mailing list for that and closing down the newsletter@ list. +1 Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] swag for Bengali-Bangladesh (bn-BD) team
On 1/16/10 1:41 PM, mak wrote: On 1/14/10, Florian Effenbergerflo...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi Mak, (removing marcon@ from Cc, as marcons should also read disc...@marketing, and thus avoiding double posting ;) mak wrote on 2010-01-14 12.25: Are you looking for coordination/designing of these materials, or is this a request for funding? This determines the next steps... ;) I'm requesting for fund. :~) Do you have a rough estimation on the amount needed yet? It's a 5 day long expo - we thought on things we can and should do. We concluded with an amount of 500 US$ would do a great job. can you give us some more details for what exactly the 500 US$ should be used. Your work is highly appreciated and probably worth the funding. But for funding we need a detailed request. Regards Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles
On 1/14/10 4:46 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Florian, all, Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hello, [...] my main problem is that I'm always hesitant of granting people funding just for being there. If I read Alexandro's last mail right (replying to Drew), he will have a talk: only for correctness, he will apply for a talk On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: [...] This year a SCALE special feature is OSSIE - Open Source Software in Education http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/ossie-CFP [...] I have no idea if Alexandro could setup a BoF or perhaps something with the OSSIE, looks like there might be a 4 day window there still from reading the web page. [...] That's fine, I wasnt aware of OSSIE and I will definitely apply, I think that giving the talk about the Education project as I did in OOoCon2009 could be a great way to show off what we can show to developers. Therefore a positive voting is easy ;-) +1 from my side. +1 depending on talk acceptance Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Help needed ...
Hi, first of all sorry for cross posting but we need your help. Maybe you have heard that we will have a stand (and a DevRoom) at the FOSDEM conference at the beginning of February. We are working on an endless presentation that we can run (besides demos) at the stand to inform users as well as developers and all other interested people. The FOSDEM is typically an event where we are looking for new developers. But any kind of help is welcome and so we are looking for quotes from people about their motivation to work on the OpenOffice.org project, their experiences, their contribution etc. Please send us your quotes (~1-2 short paragraphs, think about presentation slides). I know about very interesting people who started as GSOC students and who are professionals today working full time on OOo, or people started with SDK examples first and moved over to become an accepted developer... Many many more examples, so please don't hesitate and send us one or more quotes from you. The results will be published and can probably be used for other events as well. To have enough time to work on the material i would suggest that you send us your input until January 20th. Either to me directly or on one of the mailing lists. Thanks in advance Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles
On 1/11/10 9:28 PM, eric b wrote: Hi Alexandro, Le 11 janv. 10 à 20:51, Alexandro Colorado a écrit : Telling about the education project could be one thing. I remember your presentation in Orvieto, Alexandro. It was full of ideas, but not so specific. It looks like a container of wishes for the next decade(s) or so ;-) To be really attractive, it might be shorter, more practical? Well of course, the Education project is considered a Young/Incubator project so most things are still on it's way and planned. Not exactly : we did a lot, but outside of the OOo website. that is my first question, why? Creativity needs freedom, and OpenOffice.org website does not exactly provide the tools we need. no objections for freedom but is this really true and have you tried it. In case of your mentioned http://educoo.edulibre.org/ i see a drupal system the same framework that we use for our extension site. We have several different services under services.openoffice.org. Can you give concrete details please. Should it be considered or evaluated again because the education project is an official OpenOffice.org project and from my point of it should run under the OOo umbrella and the typical OOo design. There is an ONG backing it up with EducOO and there is some real work happening on some areas of education including OOo4Kids (http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/) and Efforts. But some are still being developed like the CampusLibre project. Just FYI : - we created strong links with the schools we worked with, and around 20 students have been mentored since two years - OpenOffice.org Education Project today counts ~ 110 members (was only 7 or 8 when I started ... ) - Campus Libre Project counts ~ 200 members : http://campus-libre.educoo.org/index.php my personal problem with this site is that it is french and i don't speak french. What exactly is it, an education project besides the official OpenOffice.org education project? - Edulibre (free Forge for collaborative work) is new and operationnal (we'll launch it soon officially) : http://educoo.edulibre.org/ - is the XO port *not* something concrete ? FYI, OOo4Kids will be in the next Sugar version : we created a strong link with another community what is the XO port? - Aren't ClassRooms concrete ? ( everything is on the OpenOffice.org wiki ) they are and i think they are very useful. The goal of the presentation was giving exposure to the whole Education project so it couldn't be very practical. Exactly : one hour is very limited, and the content is generic, but dedicated presentations can be done on demand. why haven't you replied on the FOSDEM CFP that i have send on the education list as well. Too bad that we have the education project not there or represented. I would be happy if you can provide us some information that we can at least present at the booth. Juergen I am not sure that showing a fancy graph with the internal organization and processes would be very enlightning or attractive to someone that want to join the project. Instead I gave an overal roundup on areas where they wanted to participate and if they thought it was a good idea or not. Most of the wishlist did include starting a project in their locality because WE NEED FUNDING. So yes, wishful thinking means ... once we get resources we can do X or Y. Yet another concrete fact : EducOOo ( http://educoo.org ) proposed to reverse 10 to 15% of the donations to help OpenOffice.org (students or Education related, but othr cases can be). Regards, Eric Bachard Lead, OpenOffice.org Education Project - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Virtual conferencing system Was: [Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg]
, but how about spending money on our own OOo people. I would like to discuss paying for a ticket vs buying a SIP phone, Webcam, USB professional microphone for a project lead or Marcon. As said, for me, it wouldn't help, as you would have to buy me a complete office where I could work without being disturbed... others have no internet connectivity, so it doesn't help for them. I even know of some ISPs who block VoIP. Everyone has different requirements, and we should have an open ear for them. I much rather spend money in Sophie, Eric, or John than in Luftansa or ibis... but that's just me. This comparison is wrong. We're not talking about Sophie, Eric or John, we're comparing snom, Grandstream, ATT with Lufthansa and IBIS. It's all a point of view... Again, please let's continue this discussion and check what everyone's needs are. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.orgfor additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles
On 1/11/10 1:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org wrote: Hello Alexandro, This event is one where developers will be all over the place and would be great oportunity to recruit and have a display. Unfortunately this trip won't allow me to cover the expense of a boot. But I will be able to bring some brochures and CDs. But also walk around to other boots and recruit on the spot. Unfortunately I wont give a talk since the CFP was over on the 24th of last month but I will still be able to participate on the un-conference and drive a BOF on ODF/OOo and other of the projects I am involved like Education, BizDev and Certification. I'm not hesitant (as some are) because of the amount of money or the long trip from Mexico, but because I need some more information what you plan to do at the event. Normally, we only fund event attendance if we either have a booth/demo point, or a talk. Is it correct that at the moment you can only say that you will be there and try to do some networking? Are there any chances of getting a talk/BoF/lightning talk or get some demo point to exhibit at? That surely would help the funding request... Perhaps you missed that part of the original email: Unfortunately I wont give a talk since the CFP was over on the 24th of last month but I will still be able to participate on the un-conference and drive a BOF on ODF/OOo and other of the projects I am involved like Education, BizDev and Certification. ... will still be able to ... Alexandro the point is probably more that people want a clear and detailed request. I will talk about X at event Y where we will also have booth with N people and we would like to request XY dollars funding to sponsor travel expenses and ... I don't have problems with such requests but we should provide the minimum requirements. Requirements that we should probably discuss and write down in detail for the future. Otherwise it sounds more like i would like to go to the Scale conference to do some networking (private?) and of course yes i would be able to talk about OOo topics if applicable but no concrete plans and nothing confirmed yet. In the economical situation of today probably no company would accept such a request. In general i would say yes it is important to be present on such events and ideally staffed with local community members. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On 1/8/10 8:32 PM, Lars Nooden wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: for the FOSDEM this is already done and the production is ongoing because the request for the shirts was last year before Christmas. And it was for my understanding already approved. Excellent. What kind of lead time would another run need, if needed? The sales at FOSDEM can serve as an indicator for CeBIT FOSDEM : 6 - 7 February CeBIT : 2 - 6 March i have ordered 200 shirts as last year. The production time is ~2-3 weeks when the design is available and everything is approved. Normally it's better and especially cheaper to produce higher numbers but the funding is not so easy ;-) And of course it makes sense to check it for regional events. Probably the production on site is often cheaper and easier as the transport. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On 1/8/10 10:32 AM, Ian wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 23:43 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: you are probably right. In case of FOSDEM, we don't plan to produce CD's or DVD's. Most people have OOo anyway and a CD is fast outdated. In Europe most people are in the situation t have a fast internet connection and can easily download the program. It looks different in other countries where CD's or DVD's make much more sense. Point was most people will pay 1 Euro to help support the project - it's embarrassing to refuse 1 Euro. You can substitute CD/DVD for any other tangible product that cost very little to produce and you can ask 1 Euro for. An I support OOo badge for example. Just a way of getting some revenue in. 300 people and at least you gain 300 Euros. exactly, we do the same and ask for donations. Some people give more than others and other people maybe give nothing. It worked very well in the past? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On 1/8/10 11:50 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Jürgen, For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. to me, it looks ok. Who did you take into account? According to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2010#Team we might need a little bit more, so I propose to request 700 €, which gives us some room to work with. Unused money can go back to the project. well i am happy with this. But when i have asked initially for a global conference budget it was denied and people wanted a more detailed funding request. That's the reason why i request now exactly the money we need so far. By the way i have already pre financed some material by myself ;-) The only thing i need is a clear yes to the request from the budget holders that i can give the volunteers their money directly in Brussels without any delay. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On 1/8/10 11:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On 1/8/10, Florian Effenbergerflo...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi Jürgen, For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. to me, it looks ok. Who did you take into account? According to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2010#Team we might need a little bit more, so I propose to request 700 €, which gives us some room to work with. Unused money can go back to the project. Florian Just a note along the lines, the free software foundation do this every event they are and even if the items are overpriced everyone understand the price and products are a simbolic transaction for what really is a donation to the project. exactly FSF is pretty successful with this scheme same as other foundations like Mozilla. A very old proposal I had for OOo Marketing (almost 2 years ago) is to build a store for OOo. Mozilla generates around 2 million dollars a year with theirs. Of course is more than just tshirts but also stuffed animals, cups, stickers, caps, batches etc. you are right and the idea with a store is of course nothing new. I took a look in the mozilla store and how it works some time in the past. It's likely that it would work for OOo as well. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
On 1/8/10 1:46 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to become good enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and accommodations. I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a case for using the budget on transportation in this particular instance. In general, fuel prices increase almost daily and air travel is embroiled in a lot of trouble, to put it mildly, so a better solution is needed for the long term. I see your points, but I disagree out of three reasons: - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. - It is much better to meet in person than only in the virtual world. We see this every year at OOoCon. If meeting virtually is enough, why have there been so many requests on phone conferences? Mailing lists would do as well, or IRC chat -- but more and more people want to interact better, live. - Don't expect everyone to be able to take part in virtual meetings. In my case, the infrastructure would be available, but I have no own office and surely would not be able to have two days of meetings from home without being disturbed. Meeting at one place, with no one disturbing around, is much better for some cases, especially when the agenda is planned for two days. I agree that we should be reasonable on how often and where to meet, and for which reasons. But again, given that the agenda is planned for two days, I think it is worth the trip and will be much more effective than a virtual meeting (which I could not attend that length). Let's use this meeting as a means to get some of the online conferencing tools off the ground instead. Somewhere there must be a machine we can use to host Asterisk or another tool. If you remember, we had been planning a bit since the end of 2009, but feedback has been, well, silent. Most people told me it even was impossible for them to join via Skype, so no thinking about video at all. As you can see, we try to establish virtual communication (e.g. with the planned marketing phone conference), but again, it's not the right solution for all things. mmh, we can't stop our current work and can wait on a working infra structure for virtual meetings etc.. I know the mechanisms and tools are in place but we don't have enough experience. Alexandros suggestion is a good one and we should take this into account (which is already the case) and should think about more virtual meetings in the future but they can probably not replace f2f meetings completely. From my point of view this meeting is important and should take place as a f2f meeting. +1 from me for the funding Juergen Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On 1/8/10 5:55 PM, Lars Nooden wrote: Florian Effenberger wrote: T-shirts would be good, I'd like one myself, but only if the risk is manageable and it can be avoided to tie too much funding up in inventory. given that CeBIT is a month later, and we usually can sell shirts there, the risk is quite low, I guess. OK. Then choosing a design (image and or slogan) for the shirts could be a subproject. for the FOSDEM this is already done and the production is ongoing because the request for the shirts was last year before Christmas. And it was for my understanding already approved. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
Hi, FOSDEM 2010 is coming soon and we will have an OpenOffice.org DevRoom as well as OpenOffice.org stand there. The main reason for the stand is to present our project on one of the biggest open source conferences in Europe. We want demo OOo, want to talk with users as well as developers and all other interested people. We want celebrate community! The DevRoom is to spread knowledge around ongoing development efforts as well as giving hints how to get started etc.. In short we try to attract developers. The plan is to sponsor the speakers from the development budget and some t-shirts and the stand crew from the marketing budget. For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. Together with the t-shirts we will have ~2200 Euro expenses going on the marketing budget. I am till thinking that it is a good investment and i expect to get some money back from donations. Regards Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On 1/7/10 11:17 PM, Ian wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:55 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, FOSDEM 2010 is coming soon and we will have an OpenOffice.org DevRoom as well as OpenOffice.org stand there. The main reason for the stand is to present our project on one of the biggest open source conferences in Europe. We want demo OOo, want to talk with users as well as developers and all other interested people. We want celebrate community! The DevRoom is to spread knowledge around ongoing development efforts as well as giving hints how to get started etc.. In short we try to attract developers. The plan is to sponsor the speakers from the development budget and some t-shirts and the stand crew from the marketing budget. For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. Together with the t-shirts we will have ~2200 Euro expenses going on the marketing budget. I am till thinking that it is a good investment and i expect to get some money back from donations. Just for info, when we were at NEA in California a few years back, we tried selling OOo discs to see if we could make a bit of money to contribute o expenses. We found that when the price was $1 and explained it was try to help cover costs virtually everyone bought one. So 1 Euro might work :-) There is also an environmental reason. Free discs are easily discarded, thrown straight in the trash. If you pay 1 Euro you might think twice about that. you are probably right. In case of FOSDEM, we don't plan to produce CD's or DVD's. Most people have OOo anyway and a CD is fast outdated. In Europe most people are in the situation t have a fast internet connection and can easily download the program. It looks different in other countries where CD's or DVD's make much more sense. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Proposed change of Marketing Project Lead
On 1/1/10 8:37 PM, John McCreesh wrote: Those of you with long memories may remember that Jacqueline asked me to become co-lead of the Marketing Project in April 2004. One of my first tasks was to compile a strategy for the MP, which was published at OOoCon 2004 as The OpenOffice.org Strategic Marketing Plan 2005-2010. I then became Lead in May 2006, with the SMP as my bible. We have now reached the magic year 2010, and I feel it is time for the MP to benefit from fresh leadership. Since June 2007 I have had tremendous support from Florian as my co-Lead, and I would like to recommend him to you as the right person to lead the MP from 2010 onwards. As we're entering a busy period (3.2 to launch, OOoCon 2011 to award, MS-Office 2010 to compete with..) I have offered to stay on as co-Lead until Florian finds co-Lead(s) to help him. OOo's procedures state: Transitioning from one Project Lead to another is almost always a graceful and smooth affair. The Project Lead or leads are encouraged to nominate their successors, who must be members of the project, and hold a plebiscite on the primary public mail list. So, I would ask you all to confirm whether you are happy to endorse this change of Lead, and if so, please welcome Florian and give him your support as he takes up this challenging position. +1 for Florian and thank you John for all the work you have done in the past and the things you probably will do in the future for the project. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request from Vietnam
On 12/17/09 10:34 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, I don't know if I already posted this -- if it's a double posting, then I'm sorry. :-) From the Vietnamese team, we received a request to produce t-shirts: I would like to continue promoting OpenOffice in Vietnam. We will have a small Christmas celebration in the middle of December and it would be nice to give out some more OpenOffice-Tshirts to core supporters of the event then. I would also like to make OpenOffice Xstands for events like Barcamp as well as some flyers and stickers. We can cover parts. But it would be great, if you could commit more here as well, maybe 400-500,- Euro, so we could make a few more CDs for the upcoming events in the next months. Giving them a start help of 500 € sounds reasonable to me (although I'd recommend them to give shirts and DVDs away for a donation so some money comes back in again). +1 + one additional recommendation. Everyone who creates shirts, stickers or whatever should communicate it on this list and should document this in the wiki somewhere. I would like to see all the designs or would like to have an overview, especially from a consistent branding perspective. Juergen Thoughts? Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request from Vietnam
On 12/17/09 12:57 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, On 12/17/09 10:34 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: +1 + one additional recommendation. Everyone who creates shirts, stickers or whatever should communicate it on this list and should document this in the wiki somewhere. I would like to see all the designs or would like to have an overview, especially from a consistent branding perspective. Indeed. This would ensure trackability, feedback and the availability of more content/promotion materials for all. And this could even give ideas to some other teams! I absolutely agree. Maybe it fits somewhere at the art project? mmh, i am not sure. From my perspective we need a dedicated area for such things. And it is not design only, so i would see it more a general marketing thing. Art is only one aspect. An easy to find and easy to browse place where we can host such resources. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
On 12/17/09 1:54 PM, Jens Habermann wrote: Hi Jürgen! As this picture is raytraced the shadows are indeed correct. I added the shadow for a better 3D effect, but removed the floor shadow. This three cubes are lonely cubes, with some distance to the whole swirl. I never thought about it until you asked about it. For me it was natural, so I never changed it. that means the image is ready as it is, correct? For the official logo stand alone use this link and choose the vector files, so it is res independent. I avoid using the trademarked one, because there is a whole discussion about trademark and somehow I feel without it there is a more open friendly feeling. A trademark looks a little bit like a company owns the whole thing for me and I think we should show the open in art, too. http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/ yes, i've got this pointer already Thanks Juergen Jens Am 17.12.2009 um 08:02 schrieb Juergen Schmidt: Hi Jens, great, i have only one question and sorry that i haven't asked this before but i have realized it more or less today. In the swirl there are some (at least three) black shadows which looks not optimal or wrong. - one is in the upper left area, above the single green cube - darker blue to lighter blue - one in the upper right area, above the single darker blue - red cubes - one in the middle on the right site, single yellow cube Well i am no graphic expert but as i said it looks wrong to me and i thought i should at least ask if it's correct or not ;-) Do we have the official logo in this resolution as well some where? It's for the front of the shirt. And do we have to use the trademarked one? Juergen On 12/17/09 12:14 AM, Jens Habermann wrote: Hi! Here are the links for PSD Files ( they are too big for the Wiki )... T-Shirt ( I used original colors here ... ) RGB files.me.com/jhabermann/gt4iyo CMYK files.me.com/jhabermann/vt8ii1 Swirl stand alone RGB files.me.com/jhabermann/b8q1bn Spin Off black RGB files.me.com/jhabermann/gx1gn0 Regards Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Hi Jens, can you please provide an image with transparent background for the production. The idea is to print the image on the back of white shirts. And on the front i would like to print a small official logo as it is on the left site (you know the often used position right above the heart) Alternatively we can use a light grey color for the shirts. I plan again to produce 200 shirts. Or should we produce a higher number? Juergen On 12/16/09 9:37 AM, Juergen Schmidt wrote: On 12/16/09 12:22 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jens, * Jens Habermann schrieb: Hi! Here is the version with added text and rearranged positions. I avoided graphics overkill with the text and made it like the OOo logo. The center graphics is enough eyecandy. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:FOSDEM-Cubicles-3b.png What do you think of Be Part of It! as second line subtitle? (Be Part of IT - might be too much computer technology...) i would prefer i am part of it because it should be in relation to the person who is wearing the shirt. I'd support Cor with the idea of reducing the size of the OOo logo - and perhaps the sub-lines too. i like the proportion as it is. Juergen Alternatives: - make three lines: Worldwide Community Be Part of It! - move first subtitle up right and left to the lower part of the swirl: __ ___ Worldwide ------ Community Be Part of It! Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
On 12/16/09 1:58 PM, Jens Habermann wrote: Hi Jürgen! The final swirl image will be a psd without antialiasing, so It can be used with every background color. About 50x50cm 300dpi is okay? i don't know for sure but i think so. If not the vendor will ask ... Juergen Jens Am 16.12.2009 um 12:56 schrieb Juergen Schmidt: Hi Jens, can you please provide an image with transparent background for the production. The idea is to print the image on the back of white shirts. And on the front i would like to print a small official logo as it is on the left site (you know the often used position right above the heart) Alternatively we can use a light grey color for the shirts. I plan again to produce 200 shirts. Or should we produce a higher number? Juergen On 12/16/09 9:37 AM, Juergen Schmidt wrote: On 12/16/09 12:22 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jens, * Jens Habermann schrieb: Hi! Here is the version with added text and rearranged positions. I avoided graphics overkill with the text and made it like the OOo logo. The center graphics is enough eyecandy. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:FOSDEM-Cubicles-3b.png What do you think of Be Part of It! as second line subtitle? (Be Part of IT - might be too much computer technology...) i would prefer i am part of it because it should be in relation to the person who is wearing the shirt. I'd support Cor with the idea of reducing the size of the OOo logo - and perhaps the sub-lines too. i like the proportion as it is. Juergen Alternatives: - make three lines: Worldwide Community Be Part of It! - move first subtitle up right and left to the lower part of the swirl: __ ___ Worldwide ------ Community Be Part of It! Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Hi Jens, can you use the official logo colors that we can check it. We should be prepared if we can't do the color changes. Juergen On 12/16/09 2:36 PM, Juergen Schmidt wrote: On 12/16/09 1:58 PM, Jens Habermann wrote: Hi Jürgen! The final swirl image will be a psd without antialiasing, so It can be used with every background color. About 50x50cm 300dpi is okay? i don't know for sure but i think so. If not the vendor will ask ... Juergen Jens Am 16.12.2009 um 12:56 schrieb Juergen Schmidt: Hi Jens, can you please provide an image with transparent background for the production. The idea is to print the image on the back of white shirts. And on the front i would like to print a small official logo as it is on the left site (you know the often used position right above the heart) Alternatively we can use a light grey color for the shirts. I plan again to produce 200 shirts. Or should we produce a higher number? Juergen On 12/16/09 9:37 AM, Juergen Schmidt wrote: On 12/16/09 12:22 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jens, * Jens Habermann schrieb: Hi! Here is the version with added text and rearranged positions. I avoided graphics overkill with the text and made it like the OOo logo. The center graphics is enough eyecandy. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:FOSDEM-Cubicles-3b.png What do you think of Be Part of It! as second line subtitle? (Be Part of IT - might be too much computer technology...) i would prefer i am part of it because it should be in relation to the person who is wearing the shirt. I'd support Cor with the idea of reducing the size of the OOo logo - and perhaps the sub-lines too. i like the proportion as it is. Juergen Alternatives: - make three lines: Worldwide Community Be Part of It! - move first subtitle up right and left to the lower part of the swirl: __ ___ Worldwide ------ Community Be Part of It! Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Virtual OOoCon 2011?
On 12/16/09 8:47 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Cor, I want to have at least two a year. I really love meeting all people. me too! :-) But Johns question is, if we think it is wise looking at our earth and how we use it, to just do as we like it personally. So I would seriously consider the possibility to have one real life every second year and virtual ones in between. Sure, the environment is important, but... honestly... having a meeting only every two years sheds a bad light on the project. Look at other projects, how active they are, what they do throughout the year, how many events they do. Now compare OOo, one of the largest OSS projects worldwide. Do we really want to do less than we do already? In terms of quality, OOoCon is wonderful and one of the best, but in terms of quantity, OOo has *way* too many events organized under the brand of OpenOffice.org. If we want to attract more people, we have to do more, real ones, not virtual ones. i agree but not necessarily OOo specific conferences. We should more focus on general open source conferences where we can reach definitely a wider audience as on a OOo specific conference. Juergen Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] T-Shirts for FOSDEM etc
On 12/16/09 8:53 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi John, John McCreesh schrieb: As anyone reading this list will know ;-) Juergen is working on having some T-Shirts for FOSDEM. He has now requested about 1500 Euro 'up front' funding from the Marketing Project budget for 200 T-Shirts. If anyone has anyone objections, please start a discussion on this list asap. Not really objections, just some questions: Do you / does he mean that the funding will be some kind of loan that will be given back when the t-shirts have been sold? Or will the t-shirts be given away without any revenue? we give the shirts not really for free, we ask more for donations (minimum 10 or 15 Euros). That have worked very well in 2009. Ok we had 2009 some shirts and other nice things sponsored by Sun as well and where we also get donations for but i expect that we will get some money 2010 as well. The key point is that it is common practice and it is also promotion for our project. I don't know exactly how companies measure the success for giving merchandising products on conferences or trade shows. But i think it's worth to do it and probably others can share my opinion. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] T-Shirts for FOSDEM etc
On 12/16/09 9:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jürgen, Juergen Schmidt schrieb: On 12/16/09 8:53 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] Do you / does he mean that the funding will be some kind of loan that will be given back when the t-shirts have been sold? Or will the t-shirts be given away without any revenue? we give the shirts not really for free, we ask more for donations (minimum 10 or 15 Euros). So you will get 2000 Euro minimum for the t-shirts (even if this might take some time). ideally yes, but i expect that we don't get it back completely. Whereas we collect many donations at FOSDEM 2009 and i sold some shirts to colleagues, we had some loss (ok not really loss from my point of view) with the rest of the shirts. And by the way we gave shirts to all volunteers who helped at the conference. IMHO this is a good investment. (Will the money you get go back to the marketing budget?) yes, it goes at least back in the budget (probably marketing) That should be always natural. If we get some money back it should go back in the project to fiance other things as well. Juergen And even if you will not get all the money back (perhaps some t-shirts will not be given away, some given without donation), it's a great support for the project. So +1 from me for the up-front financing. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Hi Jens, great, i have only one question and sorry that i haven't asked this before but i have realized it more or less today. In the swirl there are some (at least three) black shadows which looks not optimal or wrong. - one is in the upper left area, above the single green cube - darker blue to lighter blue - one in the upper right area, above the single darker blue - red cubes - one in the middle on the right site, single yellow cube Well i am no graphic expert but as i said it looks wrong to me and i thought i should at least ask if it's correct or not ;-) Do we have the official logo in this resolution as well some where? It's for the front of the shirt. And do we have to use the trademarked one? Juergen On 12/17/09 12:14 AM, Jens Habermann wrote: Hi! Here are the links for PSD Files ( they are too big for the Wiki )... T-Shirt ( I used original colors here ... ) RGB files.me.com/jhabermann/gt4iyo CMYK files.me.com/jhabermann/vt8ii1 Swirl stand alone RGB files.me.com/jhabermann/b8q1bn Spin Off black RGB files.me.com/jhabermann/gx1gn0 Regards Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Jens Habermann wrote: Hi! Here is a new one... slightly changed perspective and modified OOo colors matching blue cubes. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:FOSDEM-Cubicles-3a.png i think it's much better but i am still not sure if the image transport the message of the community well enough at least without further text. What do you think about OpenOffice.org image Worldwide Community I am part of it! (last two lines with smaller font) Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Jens Habermann wrote: My first task was finishing the graphics part. New version with complete text later the day. If this is ok I will make a 300dpi version for print job. sounds good. Maybe you can choose two color for OpenOffice.org that shows the original differentiation better. Thanks Juergen Jens Am 15.12.2009 um 13:56 schrieb Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com: Jens Habermann wrote: Hi! Here is a new one... slightly changed perspective and modified OOo colors matching blue cubes. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:FOSDEM-Cubicles-3a.png i think it's much better but i am still not sure if the image transport the message of the community well enough at least without further text. What do you think about OpenOffice.org image Worldwide Community I am part of it! (last two lines with smaller font) Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Hi Jens, it looks indeed very nice and i like it. Probably a white or light grey shirt would be very nice. Maybe a black one if we can modifiy the text colors Two things - i think the color fo the OpenOffice.org text doesn't fit in the overall picture. I will clarify if we are allowed to modify it slightly to fit better into the picture - do we need some more text on the shirt or under the image. Something like free community or worldwide community, open community, community spirit, or world wide community i am part of it Juergen PS: it would be nice if we can agree on something until Wedesday that i can start with the production planning. I am already in contact with the vendor and we have to less time in January... Jens Habermann wrote: Hi! Here is a centered logo version: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:FOSDEM-Cubicles-2c.png regards Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Hi, the logo have to be exempt from the cubes. Maybe we can put the cubes under the logo and can make the spiral closer. Juergen Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi Jens, it looks indeed very nice and i like it. Probably a white or light grey shirt would be very nice. Maybe a black one if we can modifiy the text colors Two things - i think the color fo the OpenOffice.org text doesn't fit in the overall picture. I will clarify if we are allowed to modify it slightly to fit better into the picture - do we need some more text on the shirt or under the image. Something like free community or worldwide community, open community, community spirit, or world wide community i am part of it Juergen PS: it would be nice if we can agree on something until Wedesday that i can start with the production planning. I am already in contact with the vendor and we have to less time in January... Jens Habermann wrote: Hi! Here is a centered logo version: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:FOSDEM-Cubicles-2c.png regards Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Hi Jens, Alexandro, thanks but we are looking more for an event neutral design that we can reuse better for other evens as well. Juergen Alexandro Colorado wrote: Here is a SVG logo of OOo based on an some structure I saw from Brussels. http://alexandro.biz/globe.svg we could either color it or wireframe it. On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jens Habermann mail...@jenshabermann.de wrote: Hi Jürgen! I am short of time until end of year, but I managed to create a rough sketch. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/1/11/Gull_idea2.pdf regards Jens Am 07.12.2009 um 20:42 schrieb Juergen Schmidt: Hi, as already communicated OOs will have again a stand at FOSDEM 2010. That means we have to think about our presence there. One thing is definitely to have some give aways in place which is common practice and which is of course a good opportunity to promote our office and to collect some donations as well. On the fos...@marketing list i have already posted some initial ideas and because of the fact that we have again limited time i would like to ask for design ideas for - small circular sticker 50mm - lanyard keychains - cups - t-shirts Additional new ideas of other merchandising stuff are also welcome ;-) The current official logo should be part of any design. The logo + something special. Special in the case that all people who bought a t-Shirt this year will buy the new shirt next year as well because of the coolness factor. Can achieve this??? I hope so ... Additional to the merchandising stuff we should think about 1 or posters that can we use at our stand. Posters showing some important info that people should know We need also some kind of banner of so that we can put at front of the tables ... More ideas??? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] o...@fosdem - general merchandising material - request for designs!!!
Hi Jens, i have uploaded pictures of the shirts from 2009 which were very well accepted on the wiki page ohttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2009#T-Shirt_Design Maybe this gives you some impressions. You can see that we used the logo in white but keep the difference in the font size between OpenOffice and .org. The reason was that the official colors didn't look very well on the blue shirts. Juergen Jens Habermann wrote: Hi Bernhard! Hi Jens, * Jens Habermann schrieb: Hi Jürgen! I am short of time until end of year, but I managed to create a rough sketch. Please add the gulls to the OOo logo. As long as the project supports the present logo as official, modifications are restricted to very seldom single cases. The modified gull was my idea for the requested something special. I'm quite sure that removal of the gulls will not get approval. As this sketch is already rejected I put it in my trashbin. I will do something different next time. regards Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Top 100 download statistic 2009 from German publisher Heise
Hi, the German publisher and media house Heise has published a download statistic [1] of the top 100 downloads from their own server. OpenOffice.org is number 5 with a rating of 5.39 of 6 and 338 votes [2]. Juergen Links are German only [1] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Themen-Special-Die-Top-Downloads-2009-879959.html [2] http://www.heise.de/software/download/o0g0s5l5k0 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Design ideas/slogan ...
Hi, just in the morning on the way into the office i had an idea for a slogan and i think it might be useful in some way for our designs ... It's a mix of the 6 million dollar man (US TV series) our fantastic download numbers and the hype around app's for the iPhone first but now for small devices in general. You know everybody need an app for everything (or not ;-)) Anyway, the slogan is or could be 1. Openoffice.org the 2. 100 3. million 4. app 1. should be the official OOo logo 2. should be highlighted in some way 3.+4. should be probably also highlighted in some way What do you think? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Design ideas/slogan ...
Ian wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:49 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, just in the morning on the way into the office i had an idea for a slogan and i think it might be useful in some way for our designs ... It's a mix of the 6 million dollar man (US TV series) our fantastic download numbers and the hype around app's for the iPhone first but now for small devices in general. You know everybody need an app for everything (or not ;-)) Anyway, the slogan is or could be 1. Openoffice.org the 2. 100 3. million 4. app 1. should be the official OOo logo 2. should be highlighted in some way 3.+4. should be probably also highlighted in some way What do you think? Very good idea. Maybe just simplify to the OO.0 logo combined with 100 million+ ? OpenOffice.org 100 million+ and counting 1OO.o million - THE IT COMMUNITY Everyone needs an app - 100 million get OOo also nice after reading my lines again, i tend to OO.org the 100 million downloads app Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Design ideas/slogan ...
Hi Bernd, the relation to mobile apps was indeed intended ;-) But i am flexible, the problem is we need some ideas and the time is running. We have to nail down the desing before Christmas, otherwise we will run again into trouble with the production etc. Juergen Bernd Eilers wrote: Hi Juergen, -1 I would object to this idea for a reason that already manifests itself in the explanation you gave regarding the thoughts that lead to this slogan. Why for some people like maybe you and me it would seem quite natural to apply the terms program, application and app interchangeable to programs on mobile phones as well as to programs on desktop computers I think quite a lot of others (probably more exposed to recent commercials than to technical documentation) would associate just programs for the iPhone or just programs for well at least some kind of mobile phone with the term app. Thus the slogan would be giving the wrong impression that OOo would be something for a platform or a group of platforms which in fact it doesn't support (iPhone or other mobile phone) why not associating it with platforms it does support (Desktop Computers or WorkStations with Windows, Linux, Mac, Solaris OS etc. on it ). Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, just in the morning on the way into the office i had an idea for a slogan and i think it might be useful in some way for our designs ... It's a mix of the 6 million dollar man (US TV series) our fantastic download numbers and the hype around app's for the iPhone first but now for small devices in general. You know everybody need an app for everything (or not ;-)) Anyway, the slogan is or could be 1. Openoffice.org the 2. 100 3. million 4. app 1. should be the official OOo logo 2. should be highlighted in some way 3.+4. should be probably also highlighted in some way What do you think? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jürgen, all, Juergen Schmidt schrieb: Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] Peter Junge wrote: [...] Personal remark: I would strongly prefer standardized icon sets for any file format. IMHO the clear type recognition should be the main priority for ease of use. As mentioned before: because different applications provide different actions to one file format (one is viewer, others are meant to modify the file), I'd like to add an area in the icons that shows a symbol or graphical element of the standard application opening the file. mmh, maybe you can show us something real instead of repeating again and again that it should have been done differently. Sorry, if I sound repetitive. Peter wrote, that he didn't read the whole discussion, therefore I repeated the main content. Show us your icons and we can discuss it. My intention here was to find a basic agreement on what is important on such icons - before we start to create them. But in the meantime the Art Project started a few drafts, some of them quite different form any present document icon, some more classical. i got notice so far, thanks. I have forgotten to enable automatic check for new messages on my a...@marketing.openoffice.org mail folder ;-) The icons (especially mine) are not more than a graphical basis for an idea how it could look like - and that it is possible to combine the information even on small icons. These first drafts have been uploaded to the artist sandbox at the wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Artist_Sandbox i got it but i have no real opinion. As i mentioned before i don't need an application specific icons and i would always use what's the default icon set for ODF. And by the way i like the grey ones. And sorry if it sounds unfriendly but talking only is not enough and we already know your opinion. No problem - even if I think that a discussion is much more than talking about different opinions. If you can convince me (and others of course) that the grey icons without OOo symbol serve OOo better than colored ones (or the other way round), this would lead to a broader, if not general, agreement on the principles behind the icons. we will see how the discussion moves forward on disc...@ux Juergen And on such a basis the design specialists can work on an optimized set of icons. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Unsubscribe please!
Hi Rich, have you seen the footer on all the mails? If you want to unsubscribe send an empty email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org. Juergen Rick Shoemaker wrote: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:46:25 +0100 From: flo...@openoffice.org To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org CC: p...@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: Re: [marketing] We're through to the top three Hi John, Our Press Release for the 3.1 launch has been judged one of the three top online news releases of 2009: http://www.prweb.com/releases/top-three/releases-2009/prweb3285904.htm congratulations! This is awesome. :-) You can vote for the overall winner here: http://www.prweb.com/pr/best-online-news-releases-2009.html Let's hope lots of people vote for us - it would be good publicity for the Community. I keep my fingers crossed! Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org _ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7secslideid=1media=aero-shake-7secondlistid=1stop=1ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Peter, all, Peter Junge wrote: John McCreesh wrote: On Thu, November 26, 2009 6:59 pm, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [snip] 1. ODF branding is important, but should not lead to weakening of OOo branding on user's desktops. 2. The OOo document icons are part of our visual identity and therefore used in several marketing areas. We should not give up this chance as there might be an alternative (icons with both branding elements). I remember how annoyed I was when I installed an early beta of Lotus Symphony and it replaced all my OOo desktop icons with the horribly garish IBM ones. Isn't this a general issue? Whatever installation comes last provides the icons. If it is not customizable during installation... As ODF becomes established, users may well have multiple ODF supporting applications on their desktops. So IMHO having all those applications sharing a standard set of desktop icons is not terribly useful. Users need to know what application will start when they click an icon. Unfortunately, there can only be one icon per file format with current desktop environments regardless of the number of supporting applications installed, as well different users might have a different preferences to choose standard or application specific icons, hence there has to be a solution to meet the users will in an easy way. My approach: show the user by the icons which application is the standard one to open a certain file format. This may be done by an application symbol in rather low contrast (to keep the main interest on the ODF part). At least if people want to modify their documents it is important which application is opening, beacuse the features differ quite a lot. If you only want to view a PDF or JPG file (or hear a MP3), this is less important. General remark: I didn't find the time to read the whole discussion here, so I might reiterate things that have already been said. Anyway I think this discussion is mostly happening at the wrong place. As we have often emphasized OOo is not equal ODF. Consequently, a standardized set of icons for ODF should be specified and provided by the ODF Adoption TC at OASIS [1]. Subsequently the ODF Adoption TC would recommend the use of this icon set to the implementers and later measure the success of its work. The present iconset has been created by the art team at Sun and is already integrated in StarOffice 9.2. Integration in OOo has been hold back (probably until OOo 3.3) to coordinate with the project while in the meantime contact to OASIS has been searched. In my eyes this should have been coordinated before - and I read some of the comments here and on other lists, that there are several backdrafts in the present icons that should be handled before the request to define them as officially approved OASIS iconset. Personal remark: I would strongly prefer standardized icon sets for any file format. IMHO the clear type recognition should be the main priority for ease of use. As mentioned before: because different applications provide different actions to one file format (one is viewer, others are meant to modify the file), I'd like to add an area in the icons that shows a symbol or graphical element of the standard application opening the file. mmh, maybe you can show us something real instead of repeating again and again that it should have been done differently. Show us your icons and we can discuss it. And sorry if it sounds unfriendly but talking only is not enough and we already know your opinion. Just my 2 cents Juergen A consistent set of icons provided by the desktop seems to be very nice from the artwork point of view, but sometimes leads to hardly distinguishable similarities. I agree with you on the benefit of a general symbol language - without regards to the application, a text document should be represented by the same symbols. But I don't see a reason to remove the application information from the icons... Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [dev] openoffice....@fosdem 2010
Hi, a short update about the current status. We created a new mailing list fos...@marketing.openoffice.org for detailed FOSDEM planning. For all of you who are interested on o...@fosdem and who want to help please feel free to subscribe to this list (http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList) This list will be used for future planning as well. No extra fosdem2010 or fosdem2011 lists etc. Status: - DevRoom OOo is accepted and we have a DevRoom for 1 day, on Saturday 6th February from 12:00 to 19:00 I will send out a Call for Papers asap. I would suggest 45, 90 or 120 minutes per session. The experience in the past have shown that 45 minute session were accepted best. But for a workshop it's probably better to plan a little bit longer. I hope we can sponsor speakers next year again. Maybe not complete but i can guarantee a lot of fun with nice and also crazy open source people ;-) - Stand no update so far but i expect feedback this week. Regards Juergen Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, i just want o inform you that i have requested an OpenOffice.org stand and again an OpenOffice.org Developer Room for the next FOSDEM, February 2010 in Brussels. This is a pre announcement only because we are not finally accepted. The final decision is expected at the end of November. But for both we will need help and the time is short as always. Stand - we need people to help at the stand to answer questions, promote and demo our product, to build community and relationship to other projects ;-) - we need people for the organization (coffee, demo workplace, demos, ...) - merchandising materials (shirts, stickers, ...) - tbd Developer Room - we need interesting talks, workshops etc. - call for papers is coming soon As soon as i have more details i will come back to keep you informed. But here and today i would like to encourage you to think about the FOSDEM and how you can potentially help to make it a success. Think about an interesting development oriented talk or workshop, think about sponsoring ;-), think about participating and help at the stand etc. Follow up discussion please on the confere...@marketing.openoffice.org mailing list and later maybe on a dedicated FOSDEM list (that doesn't yet exist) Regards Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo
Jens Habermann wrote: Hi all! I created a prototype for a new all ODF selection screen. Because of the icons missing colors, all other color buttons ( templates, web... ) looks strangely out of place. So i did this monochromatic ODF version. So we have something visual to talk about... http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/e/ef/Startmenu.png Sorry I made a german/english mix, but it is about the design.. This is only a rough prototype for the only purpose to get the idea how new icons can affect OOo! mmh, i am not sure if the start center is a place where we really have to use the icons. It's probably a place where some fresh ideas are more helpful than converting the existing one. Juergen regards Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Thorsten Behrens wrote: Martin Hollmichel wrote: again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons as they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to OASIS to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows but then we should use the new ones, important is to use the default ODF icons without any changes. I'm not sure if I really understand your point why it is important to have icons without any change, I can imagine that it will be difficult enough to get an agreement of all teams (KDE, Gnome and OpenOffice.org team) on an unified style at all, I would be fine if there would are slight differences for the icons if the artistists say they need to do some adoption to make them smoothly integrated into their specific icon themes. Indeed. Jürgen, as Michael already pointed out: we'll need to lobby for that icon idea *first*. And believe me, not even providing an easy way to exchange colors is gonna fly in Linux land - just compare the totally different icon themes in e.g. Gnome and KDE (in the shapes, and metaphors used - and not even mentioning Moblin, Maemo etc.). Designers *will* veto anything that'll make their theme visually inconsistent, ask Stella. i understand it and it is probably not easy to achieve. But i pointed out my personal opinion and that is to use the default icons as they are. Ok, maybe we need some more icons to address different design principals in general (e.g. Gnome, KDE). In case of OOo we would need all icons for the different themes as well, correct? The general idea of unique icons for ODF is a good one and we should better do promotion for it. Yes it would have been better to do this first and involve more people and groups. I can't change it and i wasn't involved too but i see the message and the idea behind it and that is worth to support. Are the icons really so bad? Or is it more a breached ego and of course the mistake that is was done behind the doors? I think the lesson is learned! Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? Acceptance of the icons would be easier if there were a simple way to tune them to fit in with established desktop themes. Is that really the point? I think no, the key message of the icons is to strengthen the ODF brand. And that application independent! For ODF it is important that people understand the openness of the format, that it is based on a standard and that it can be used with different applications. From my point of view it makes really sense to have this unique icons for ODF files. And hopefully most often OpenOffice.org is the default app on the system to open these files. I am not sure if it would be really helpful if all distros and all ODF handling applications would use their own icons. We can probably do a proper marketing for OOo with keeping the ODF icons in their original design. The same would be true for the OOo brand. We should focus on the message that OOo is the best application to work with ODF. Just my 2 cents Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Michael Meeks wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 10:01 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? .. I am not sure if it would be really helpful if all distros and all ODF handling applications would use their own icons. We can probably do a proper marketing for OOo with keeping the ODF icons in their original design. Has anyone considered asking those responsible for artwork in Linux distributions about this scheme ? i don't know but i think that is not the questions here. Juergen Might be a good idea to do this as step #1 instead of step #50 ;-) HTH, Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Lars Nooden wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? Acceptance of the icons would be easier if there were a simple way to tune them to fit in with established desktop themes. ... would use their own icons. A mask is a term from photography carried over to digital graphics. thanks for the explanation but i think i have understand the term before ;-) To clarify what I wrote, ODF is used by many apps. However, to address your point, Juergen, we can focus on OOo. OOo is provided by many distros. Each of those distros has at least one icon theme. Those themes have basic colors. There are usually two main colors to a theme, sometimes just one. It would encourage adoption of the icons if it were easy for the theme maintainers to use the icons but with their own colors. again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons as they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to OASIS to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows but then we should use the new ones, important is to use the default ODF icons without any changes. It would also help if a logo or pictogram where used to identify ODF. good idea but should be probably addressed somewhere else Juergen /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] openoffice....@fosdem 2010
Hi, i just want o inform you that i have requested an OpenOffice.org stand and again an OpenOffice.org Developer Room for the next FOSDEM, February 2010 in Brussels. This is a pre announcement only because we are not finally accepted. The final decision is expected at the end of November. But for both we will need help and the time is short as always. Stand - we need people to help at the stand to answer questions, promote and demo our product, to build community and relationship to other projects ;-) - we need people for the organization (coffee, demo workplace, demos, ...) - merchandising materials (shirts, stickers, ...) - tbd Developer Room - we need interesting talks, workshops etc. - call for papers is coming soon As soon as i have more details i will come back to keep you informed. But here and today i would like to encourage you to think about the FOSDEM and how you can potentially help to make it a success. Think about an interesting development oriented talk or workshop, think about sponsoring ;-), think about participating and help at the stand etc. Follow up discussion please on the confere...@marketing.openoffice.org mailing list and later maybe on a dedicated FOSDEM list (that doesn't yet exist) Regards Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Videos of OOo4Kids online
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Eric, I would happily give you my support, as education is an important topic. Probably not enough when I see the donations level ( http://download.ooo4kids.org ) :-/ I'm still open for having OOo4Kids as an official part of the OOo project. IMHO, we have lots of funds available. Sure we have to spend them wisely, but for this years OOoCon, 300 € would have been funded, which should help most people in attending. Sure, there might be some money you need to pay yourself, but if you get a cheap flight and hotel, the 300 € help a lot. Our point is to become independant. Sun controls everything, and this is not good for freedom. Just my opinion. We have different views on Sun's involvement, I think. ;-) However, I still would love to see OOo4Kids as an official part of the OOo project. From your words I tend to see you are not looking into this anymore? Is this right? :-( why ask you Florian, Eric pointed out that it is part of the education project. And the education project is a subproject of OpenOffice.org. If that is wrong we should clarify some things... Just my 2 cents Juergen I'm not a phone user, sorry. And yes, would be awesome, an highly symbolic you and ben to meet together, indeed ! That would be great! I'll try to meet him, he actually lives about 20 km or so from a good friend of mine, so I can do a visit easily someday. :-) Just need to find some time... Ok, at the end of the coming week (cannot promise, but should be ok), I'll provide you a special version of OOo4Kids (german). You'll receive more information in private (how to launch it, how to test parameters, an so on). That's great, thanks a lot! Looking forward to testing, because I still have my problems, even with 3.2 Beta and Snow Leopard. Plus you'll test something great : I replaced 82 icons (Sun copyrighted) to make OOo4Kids more OpenOffice.org rules respectfull. The game for you will be to find the remaining one, and to tell me ;) :) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Videos of OOo4Kids online
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Eric, Sure, we'll do. And if you want to help us to create a german version, feel free to join the move ! I currently look into an option to get a free professional speaker for Germanophone videos. It'll take a while, but maybe that would be an option also for the translation of your videos. ;-) If you want to know our main need, this is extremely simple : donations. As example, we didn't receive enough to help me to attend Orvieto, so no OOoCon for me this year :-/ I see, I have similar issues sometimes. However, for OOoCon, there are bursaries available, of about 300 €. This will not cover all costs, for sure, but it will make it easier for people to attend. If you are looking for the bursary, I would happily give you my support, as education is an important topic. That's a pity, because we have something to show, but no money. For example, I did a portable version I'll name OOo4KidsPortable or something like that (fr only today, but can lot of locales). The problem is we don't have enough of money to buy USB keys, and so on ... to start saling them, and finaly win some money, allowing us to improve the Education Project effort (e.g.) For USB drives, the marketing project might be able to help, if we sell these through the project - just like we do with t-shirts and such. but the money we get back from t-shirts (as donations) goes into the general OpenOffice.org project budget and can be used from there. I think it is important to handle everything equal. The education project is a sub project of the OpenOffice.org project and should be handled in this way. It is an important project and Eric helps a lot to bring it forward but it is a normal sub project. Budget can be requested in the normal way. Juergen If you want to discuss more, you can see me on #education.openoffice.org IRC channel (server is irc.freenode.net ). Thus, I'll provide you a very simple way to meet Ben Bois too, just in case ;) Maybe we phone after the conference? That's the most easy thing. :-) I hope to meet Ben personally, as he now moved to Germany. P.S. : did you solve the garbage with your fonts ? I think I can provide you a version, you could launch in command line, and pass the values you want (dpi_X, dpi_Y), until find the less bad, or the best if ever we are lucky. Didn't solve my problem yet - if you can provide with a version, that would be great! Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [OOoCon2009] Poster stand for OOo logo proposals at Orvieto?
Hi Bernard, please make it available online as well. It's perfect timing, i am just wanted to start a discussion on the marketing list about a common design/brand for OpenOffice.org that can be used for different use case. But i haven't finished the email so far. I especially have merchandising material in mind. But anyway important is that we have one design/brand that can be used everywhere. Follow up on the d...@marketing list... Juergen Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Davide and team, thanks to John's positive reply (LOOok for a LOOogo) the Art Project is going to work on new proposals for an updated OpenOffice.org logo to be presented at the OOoCon at Orvieto. I'd like to put them on a stand at the conference place so all the participants can have a look at the different drafts and some background information provided by the artists. Is there a possibility to get such a stand I could put the design proposals on? Is here the right place to ask for such items? I'll be arriving on Tue 3rd in the morning, so there would be enough time for preparation I think. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: ooocon2009_discuss-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: ooocon2009_discuss-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: OOo branding elements / new logo proposals [was: [OOoCon2009] Poster stand for OOo logo proposals at Orvieto?]
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jürgen, * Juergen Schmidt schrieb: Hi Bernard, please make it available online as well. Of course - we're using the wiki for our work, but I didn't set up the dedicated wiki page by now. It's perfect timing, i am just wanted to start a discussion on the marketing list about a common design/brand for OpenOffice.org that can be used for different use case. But i haven't finished the email so far. Creating such a design / visual identity has been one of the main topics in the Art Project for the last 2 or 3 years. Unfortunately we didn't have enough man power to create more artwork using the elements of the OOo3 splash screen - there are just a few graphical elements that can be used for branding. With the idea of an updated / new OOo logo we want to introduce a better branding and visual identity than up to now. But this is just a first step. i don't want to change the OOo logo, i have more in mind that we have some kind of unique campaign for every release or maybe release independent. Some cool slogans would be also nice. Something that always includes the OOo logo but will be also unique. The idea behind that is to produce new merchandising goods for every campaign and to promote our latest versions. Or simply something cool where people say hey cool i must have this shirt etc. To make it short i would like to focus on merchandising material that can be used for conferences and other events. Juergen New ideas will be presented at the OOoCon at Orvieto - if and when this will lead to a new visual identity by the use of new branding elements is totally open ... For the moment I'd propose to use the elements of OOo3, the present logo and the mimetype icons. Please have a look at the Art Project's wiki area http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art for some ideas (especially the page about the OOo3 elements). I especially have merchandising material in mind. There have been some designs for merchandising in the past (I for myself did some t-shirts, cups, pins and cuff links some time ago). If you want to, we can discuss this part of the topic on a...@marketing.openoffice.org. But anyway important is that we have one design/brand that can be used everywhere. You're totally right - consistency in visual impression is a very important part of marketing and brand recognition. We'll have to intensify our efforts in that area. While the present branding elements are more or less limited in usability, it is necessary to keep an eye on this topic when we want to introduce new graphics... Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OOo branding elements / new logo proposals
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jürgen, all, Juergen Schmidt schrieb: [...] i don't want to change the OOo logo, i have more in mind that we have some kind of unique campaign for every release or maybe release independent. Some cool slogans would be also nice. You know about the logo with the positioner Open. For Business ? It's part of the official logo page: http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/index.html#positioner If different designs for every release contain more than just updated version numbers, there should be a group dedicated to this work. A new design campaign does make sense, if this can be kept alive for at least three or four release cycles. Something that always includes the OOo logo but will be also unique. The idea behind that is to produce new merchandising goods for every campaign and to promote our latest versions. Or simply something cool where people say hey cool i must have this shirt etc. This would mean two or three different designs every year (two major releases plus OOoCon) - do you think there are many people interested in all of them? two major releases? You mean minor releases. Major is the first number 3, 4, 5 ... Juergen To make it short i would like to focus on merchandising material that can be used for conferences and other events. I support the idea of merchandising for events - to recognize project members in public (spreading the word about OOo without speaking...). And perhaps it will be cool one day ;-) Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget: Create extra recognition by OpenOffice.org for GHOP
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Alexandro, Alexandro Colorado wrote (5-10-2009 7:31) GHOP would be launched soon and I am looking for a funding source so that OOo contribute to the prices from Google by adding extra recognition by the OpenOffice.org for participating in these contests. The goal is to have a well covered initiative from our end and also to give the participats the extra motivation to participate with us. The goal is to have a special handcraft trophy from the OpenOffice.org and a Diploma signed by the OOo Leads and Mentors and have it shipped to their homes. Thanks for the proposal. And having read the further explanation in rely to Florian, I think it would be really good to participate. What else would be needed, apart from extra visual recognition, to make it to a success? If that is within our means, then organizing the extra also has my support. Best, Cor -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl I am contacitng the development teams, documentation teams and webdev as well as arts. To see if they will be having tasks for pre-univ level that we can start collecting. Since OOo is pretty big, I guess the rest would be try to coordinate these tasks into a central spot (wiki maybe). So we can be ready for the deadline. Yes I will need help in those regards and ideas. we should first of all clarify if OOo will be an accepted project or not. The participation at GSOC was not only because the lack of organization as far as i know. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget: Create extra recognition by OpenOffice.org for GHOP
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Alexandro, Alexandro Colorado wrote (5-10-2009 7:31) GHOP would be launched soon and I am looking for a funding source so that OOo contribute to the prices from Google by adding extra recognition by the OpenOffice.org for participating in these contests. The goal is to have a well covered initiative from our end and also to give the participats the extra motivation to participate with us. The goal is to have a special handcraft trophy from the OpenOffice.org and a Diploma signed by the OOo Leads and Mentors and have it shipped to their homes. Thanks for the proposal. And having read the further explanation in rely to Florian, I think it would be really good to participate. What else would be needed, apart from extra visual recognition, to make it to a success? If that is within our means, then organizing the extra also has my support. Best, Cor -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl I am contacitng the development teams, documentation teams and webdev as well as arts. To see if they will be having tasks for pre-univ level that we can start collecting. Since OOo is pretty big, I guess the rest would be try to coordinate these tasks into a central spot (wiki maybe). So we can be ready for the deadline. Yes I will need help in those regards and ideas. we should first of all clarify if OOo will be an accepted project or not. The participation at GSOC was not only because the lack of organization as far as i know. Juergen This is a chicken and egg situation we either prepare early to the project or we sit around and wait until things figure out. Right now I hold a personal relationship with Leslie Hawthorn (lead for the GHOP project, and Chris DiBona) and am Involved in the mailing list of GHOP so is not a invisible project but to the opposite a very well notorious project either on identi.ca or twitter about getting in the project right away. So if the fear of not being able to participate is what really set people back, I suggest those people to participate directly in the GHOP project or deffer this issue as an stumbleblock. it's just the experience in the past nothing more. I would be happy to see OOo in this project and also in GSOC 2010. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS patent on XML documents ??
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jürgen, Juergen Schmidt wrote (12-8-2009 7:25) The FLatXML filter is as example part of the SDK since years. I don't know exactly and have to check it but i assume it is part since the beginning of the SDK. [...] And that was when? May 2003 (see the old cvs repo) when i have checked in the filter in the SDK. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS patent on XML documents ??
Alex Fisher wrote: See http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-329645.html?tag=nl.e539 Does something as prior art exist ?! :-) I took a look at the original MS application (downloaded the PDF from the Patent Office) several years ago. there was also quite a bit of discussion at the time on several lists. There appears one primary and major difference between the format described in the patent application and ODF. Whereas ODF is an archive of several files, the patent covers only files that are *single* flat XML files. In essence, it is aimed at what eventually became MS's OXML format. The question of prior art has not yet been addressed, and (as I understand the US laws) could not be addressed until the patent had been granted. The patent does need to be tested in court, but that will be a very expensive exercise. Malte Timmermann's remark about FlatXML is relevant, since if that format contains most of the info in a single flat XML file, there could be a problem. The important thing would be the date that the FlatXML format was first published. If that was prior to the MS application, then that would definitely constitute prior art, and would probably be sufficient to overturn the patent. OTOH, if it was first published after the date of the patent application The FLatXML filter is as example part of the SDK since years. I don't know exactly and have to check it but i assume it is part since the beginning of the SDK. We developed this filter especially for our initial version of the developers guide. Flat XMl files made it possible to store the files in a source code control system and create usable diffs. That was at least the idea behind it. We also used some pretty printing option to make the files more readable for humans. Anyway it is a usable filter and allows to store huge files without data loss. Some files reached ~280 pages and we used of course many many styles, tables and other formatting. When exactly applied MS for this patent? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [dev] Re: [project leads] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
Hi Eric, all, first of all i would like to propose to move any further discussion on only one mailing list. Maybe d...@openoffice.org because the d...@education is not part of this thread. eric.bachard wrote: Hi Juergen, Juergen Schmidt a écrit : Martin Hollmichel wrote: I like and support this idea, me too and i support the idea as well. Thank you very much for your support too ! I was a big fan of StarOffice4Kids project Same for me : Long time ago, I even asked for see the sources, but for some reasons, I never found them. Long time after, when the need became obvious for the Eucation Project to provide an Education oriented office suite, I was very early in contact with Stella Schultze, to discuss with her about design issues, and some other reasons I don't remin exactly. And indeed, she suggested to have a look at StarOffice4Kids. with more or less the same idea. I agree I derived StarOffice4Kids name, to create the OOo4Kids one. Indeed the idea is similar. I don't know ho wthings where done with StarOffice4Kids, but we have decided to strictely follow what the teachers ask (in fact, they must demonstrate every need). Did you the same ? Can you tell me more about that ? I can't answer your question i wasn't really involved in the project and it was done by an external vendor. The colleague who mentored this project doesn't work for Sun anymore. Nevertheless, there is at least one big difference : because of the slow / poor / old machines most of the schools have, we decided to not use Java ( StarOffice4Kids is mostly Java if I'm not wrong), but maybe was it only a prototype ? yes, probably the better way is to modify the existing user interface... StarOffice4Kids used the officebean and put an own simplified Java UI around. Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including milestones, like OOo does what do you mean by completly independent ? I would expect that this branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ? Work on the same things should be done on the same code base. For example Eric talked about performance. Edu performance projects could be seen as sub projects of the performance project with a special focus on educational things, maybe driven as university project ... In my vision of the Education Project working on performance issues, there are - I'd say - gurus, who do constitute the Performance projects core. On Education Project side, mentors and students who respectively teach and learn the good practices, and, for the best of the students, work on performance improvements. When the idea, and the resulting code will be enough, we'll join the performance meeting, and propose our work to be evaluted. To be frank with you, I have some doubs yet another project/sub-project will help there (ihmo there is no need to complicate more), but I can be wrong. well i don't talk about a real sub project. See it more as virtual project. One further effort to improve the overall performance under the umbrella of the performance project. And what is the performance project. It is one further aspect of the normal and always ongoing development umbrella. As i have mentioned earlier i personally don't like our structure with all the different projects, many of them are useless and are not really projects. Other are very active and span a much bigger scope. So i personally work on the OpenOffice.org project in different areas ;-) The really new stuff from a user perspective is the interaction with this specific user group kids, the OO users of tomorrow. Not only : the teachers are involved too. Most of the scheduled changes have been proposed by them, and without them, nothing would have been possible (they know better than us what is possible). that sounds very good and interesting Other extremely important thing: OOo4Kids is the way to enter in schools with free software. yes of course and as i mentioned before, the kids are our users of tomorrow and they are the business leaders and decision makers of tomorrow ... This is from my point of view very important and can be partly achieved or addressed with a customizable UI. I think this is not sufficient. We need to implement more than what we have today, and integrate more Education specific contents and so on. Believe me or not, but the only thing people want (not only teachers), is : simplify the UI. On MAc OS X side, this is the rule 20% visible / 80% hidden law. i haven't said that we have everything in place and i am sure that we have to do much more. But i see an overlap with the UX team here and doesn't it make sense to work closer together. Teachers and kids are one further user group with a different focus as normal office users. My main point here is if we can find a way to customize our UI in the way that it becomes quit easy and efficient. We can define different UI themes for different user groups. One
[marketing] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
Martin Hollmichel wrote: eric.bachard wrote: [please continue the discussion on the d...@openoffice.org mailing list] Hi all, Proposal : The OpenOffice.org Education Project proposes to drive the following experimentation : - create a dedicated branch in the OOo source code repository (means hosted by OOo Project) for a 7-12 years software, derivated from OpenOffice.org, and made and maintained by OpenOffice.org project. I like and support this idea, me too and i support the idea as well. I was a big fan of StarOffice4Kids project with more or less the same idea. Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including milestones, like OOo does what do you mean by completly independent ? I would expect that this branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ? a good question and i also thought about it. Everything Eric described is valid and important for the main code base as well. Terms like modularization, performance, customization etc. come into my mind. It's nothing really new and things are already ongoing. Work on the same things should be done on the same code base. For example Eric talked about performance. Edu performance projects could be seen as sub projects of the performance project with a special focus on educational things, maybe driven as university project ... The really new stuff from a user perspective is the interaction with this specific user group kids, the OO users of tomorrow. This is from my point of view very important and can be partly achieved or addressed with a customizable UI. A lot of things are possible already today but can be improved and many other things are missing. And the things that are missing can be useful in the normal office as well. I would expect the same code base but customized for the specific needs of kids. A minimized feature set and a kids related UI etc. A special branded and customized OpenOffice version if you want. Looking on the code base i would see it on top of the existing OpenOffice base layer, reusing exactly the same code basis ... Anyway it's a very good idea and i will support it where i can. Juergen - work with schools and students to improve the software - innovate about performances and cooperate with the performance project in this area - (add your idea) Resources : to be defined, but the non profit association EducOOo ( http://www.educoo.org ) is already candidate to manage that (e.g.receive sponsoring for the software, machines for students, and so on). Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OOo 3.1 - New features screencast online
Hi Rosana, nice screencast and a cool voice, it's fun to listen and watch. Maybe one hint if possible at all. When the slider was presented to scale a writer document it would have been nice to spotlight the mouse pointer or even the slider in the lower right corner. I know where it is and i even know the feature but i think it was a little bit hard to follow ... Anyway a really nice screencast and i hope we will get more of them. I we definitely talk with you about some more developer centric screencast that we have in mind since a long time ... Juergen Rosana Ardila Biela wrote: Hi All, You can see the New features in OOo 3.1 screencast now on youtube and on the OOo website: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.1/ I hope you can use this material for marketing activities. If anyone wishes to localize the screencast, just write me an e-mail, we'll find a way to work it out. Thanks a lot to Carl, our voice artist. He did a great job! cheers, Rosana - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Bundling of extensions in OpenOffice.org
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi Martin, Based on the proposal http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC/Criteria_for_bundling_extensions we got the following requirements from technical point of view: thanks for bringing this to our attention (and sorry for my late reply). The most important question to me is: Shall we bundle extensions at all? I No but my thought is that we should make a GUI package manager smarter and able to browse and get the extensions through OOo. Firefox is the ugliest way to manage extensions, compared to KDE theme manager is lights away from achieving a good User eXperience. A Package manager (found in Tools-Extensions) should act as an RSS reader and be able to 'catch' and order the extensions repository and also be able to install with one click. that is nothing new, we discussed this very often ... The key point is it is still not implemented and not specified. I think we have still a lot of open questions here in this area. And from my point of view not enough focus in general on it. Take for example the latest problems with the update from an already released, probably final version to a beta version of a bundled extension. The result was that the office crashed :-( We have to clarify and to define how we want handle this in the future. Should we have more repositories. One for final and stable, one for beta and for development extensions. The extension manager would never update a final extension from a a beta or dev repository etc. etc. And if we implement an extensions browser to browse all available extensions we need filters to select the repositories. Default would be probably the final rep only. You see a lot of things that are not clear right now and a lot of work... But in general i agree 100%. We should use the web to bring new features or value add to our users. Take for example the template repository. The next logical step is to integrate the template rep in a new template dialog that allows online browsing. Allow bookmarking of often used or favorite templates as well the download... And we should make it easy for companies to configure a private inhouse repository for templates as well as for extensions. You will find restricted env's where the users don't have web access or only restricted access. And from my point of view it can make really sense. Think about a bigger deployment in a company. The inhouse repositories would allow an easy deployment and management of company templates and inhouse used and/or developed extensions. Probably companies don't want that their employees can browse and can install any kind of template or extension. The key point is it have to be easy to use, easy to configure and seamless for the end users. agree to the positive effects of extensions, like developement independent from the main code and only adding features for the user when needed - but this also can lead to some kind of problems. Marketing should also not bundle extension marketing with OOo like what happened on 3.0 when we decide to push the PDF import extension as a core part of the new version of OOo. How shall we bundle? Via a link, so the user get the most current version from the internet, or via file bundling? In the last case, chances are high that the extension is already outdated when we ship it, and that the download grows and grows without an actual need for the individual user. Already explained but we should bundle a download manager for the most stable extension, similar to our 'version checker' of OOo. what are the most stable extensions? How do we mark them or select them. We have no QA for all the extensions in the rep, we have no signed extensions with an official and valid OO certificate that of course would put some trust on an extension. But signing of course makes only sense if we have some kind of QA or whatever mechanism in place to be able to say something about the quality of an extension. Probably a good idea to make some money for the project. ISV's can request certification of their extensions for a some money. A well defined group will inspect the code, will test the extension and if everything is fine, the extension gets signed with the official OOo certificate. Juergen For 3.0, we had lots of features announced that were available as extension, like PDF import and presenter screen. Although they haven't been included in the main download, I didn't hear many complaints about the features missing from the main download. Althought that might be true I still think is a huge liability. I would prefer to NOT file-bundle extensions in the main download. Such kind of bundling can easily achieved via CD/DVD distributions like our PrOOo-Box (www.prooo-box.org). For the main download, we can link from within the installer to our extension repository or a dedicated web site with
Re: [marketing] after FOSDEM 2009
eric.bachard wrote: Hi Jurgen, Juergen Schmidt a écrit : eric.bachard wrote: Some students where very glad to learn about the existence of the OpenOffice.org Education Project. What is strange, is the Sun people working with them never told them about Education Project. Will investigate how to improve. that is of course not true That's just the facts. And I'm sorry, but I just report what I learned in the discussion : the students have never heard of Education Project. that might be true but it doesn't meant that it's Sun fault. At least for me it was the first contact with this guy at FOSDEM and it was just the beginning of some collaboration. He contacted Sun for some reason and i promised support where i can independent of any specific project. It doesn't help if you spread such wrong messages. This is not wrong messages, and I perfectly assume what I wrote : Sun behaviour is not clear at all concerning OpenOffice.org Education Project. Sun is supporting the eduction project in the same way as all other projects. Sun is not OpenOffice.org, Sun is part of OpenOffice.org. If people prefer to contact Sun that's fine and we help where we can. Maybe you should think for example about the Seneca collage and should remember who made the contacts over years, it was Louis as the community manager and as a Sun employee and a string supporter of the education project. Again it's not only you who is thinking about the education project or doing something to attract new developers. Now, I'm sorry, but I have better to do, my time is precious, and I'll stop this unconstructive discussion with you there. well that is better and i strongly recommend that you consider your communication style. The only thing you do is to isolate yourself. Don't think in the small sub project world, it doesn't help us. Think more global, the one global OpenOffice.org project. It doesn't really matter in which sub project things move forward. At least not for me, for me counts only the global project with all the tiny important parts. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] after FOSDEM 2009
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi all, One idea for improvement: our booth finished at 5 this afternoon. Most people had left … but still there were visitors, developers around. So maybe we can plan next year that some people stay longer (and maybe also arrive later). We will have even better coverage then. interesting to hear that because it didn't looked so when we have left at ~4:15pm. One more thing that we can improve ;-) I very much enjoyed – regards, +++1 The many many emails in front of the event were definitely a good investment. Let me thank you all who where there and helped to make the OO.org presence at FOSDEM successful. Without you all it wouldn't have been possible and it again makes it clear why community work is really a lot of fun. I share the overall impression that it was a good event and that we have present our project quite well. The booth ... Our booth was always staffed very well and i think questions were always answered satisfying. Sophie made it comfortable and served coffee and cookies for the people behind and in front of the booth. It helped especially me on Sunday morning to wake up after the second long night and too many beers ;-) Mechthilde never got tired to answer questions with a motivation that was really awesome. I never have met her and also Michael in person before. I really enjoyed it. Our merchandising stuff was well accepted and we were able to collect useful donations that we can use for further activities. It shows that it is well invested money and we should take that into account for future events. From my point of view it has a double effect. People want it and they don't hesitate to give a donation for it. And not seldom much more than the minimal requested production price. And on the other side they promote our product/project by wearing the shirts or using cups etc. The DevRoom ... My impression was that more end users were there and that it is really hard to attract new core developers. I used the session slot from Robert (who was sick) to make an informal discussion session. We mainly answered questions related to Java development. From my point of view some interesting and useful discussion. Not really surprising for me but it showed again that people are interested to use OO.org in the backend for server applications. Most often for conversion or printing jobs. But also scripting and extensions development is of interest. My workshop was an experiment to bring some more practical stuff to the attendees. I have a mixed feeling because some people left the room because they hadn't a laptop that was a prerequisite that i already mentioned in the abstract. Others who really worked through the lab documentation appreciated the detailed lab documentation ... I think it is better placed at events where i can provide some hardware environment as well or completly online (i will publish it asap). Nevertheless i think the DevRoom was good and we should of course do it again. We have one year to lower the entry barrier for new developers and we should really work on it. I volunteer to organize our presence next year as well because i had a lot of fun and i got of course motivated to make it better the next time ;-) Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] OO.org Quiz - we are looking for hardware or financial sponsors
Hi, if you do business with OO.org, you are interested in marketing and if you are interested in advertising your company, this might be of interest for you. In 2 weeks the FOSDEM open source developer conference will take place in Brussels, Belgium. We had the idea to organize a technical focused Quiz around OO.org and OO.org source code. For this Quiz we are looking for sponsors. We are looking for laptops, netbooks or mp3 players like a iPod nano or touch. Monetary donations are also welcome. If you are interested to help us, please send me an email asap. Potential sponsors will be named publicly at the event. Thanks in advance Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Start work on an OO.org roll-up banner
Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Jürgen, On Wednesday, 2009-01-14 21:03:12 +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: maybe we can't make it for FOSDEM but nevertheless i would like to continue the brainstorming about the used tags. I suggest 3 categories/priorities = 3 different font sizes #1 ODF open source ope standards free ready for business I'd change open source and free into free software open source Note also the order, I think positioning free software before open source better expresses the mission. Lots of projects are called open source these days but don't meet the criteria of free software, as we know. there is no order ;-) It's just a collection of words/tags - see the banner on the wiki page. The idea is to set a priority by different font sizes. Unfortunately probably too late for FOSDEM, isn't it? not necessarily, but i don't expect a fast decision about funding. The banner would be around 100 Euro. But we have no final image. And i have to confess that i didn't have put any pressure on it in the past 2 weeks. ready for business should not be in #1 but #2 instead, you listed it twice. ups, ok thanks Juergen Eike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [dev] FOSDEM 2009: Call for Papers for our OpenOffice.org DevRoom
Hi Frank, on the first look i see no relation to OpenOffice. If you want to propose something serious please submit the proposal in the requested form to me directly until tomorrow evening 6:00pm. Juergen FRANK VAN CALSTER wrote: Hallo, I want to introduce me self on the FOSDEM into Brussel I want to give a good developer speech I don't know I keep up 45 min. but the reasons they are why make a inventing for Mine name is Frank Van Calster I have invented the CES and mine website is http://energypriority.club.officelive.com I have no tittle, but want a business on mine name international I think I can do It sure I shall come to the FOSDEM sure. If they keep me not locked into psychiatry, normal it can't but last time they came and put me into ambulance and police on mine door. I am free, from these week. I do every thing to make mine speech up and print it on paper all right. nice day, Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:50:38 +0100 From: juergen.schm...@sun.com To: d...@openoffice.org CC: d...@api.openoffice.org; d...@extensions.openoffice.org; dev@marketing.openoffice.org; confere...@marketing.openoffice.org; disc...@openoffice.org Subject: [marketing] Re: [dev] FOSDEM 2009: Call for Papers for our OpenOffice.org DevRoom REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER just a friendly reminder that you should send me your proposals until tomorrow. I promise some fun in Brussels and Leo will probably guide us into a small nice restaurant as last year. Did i mentioned that the Belgium beer is excellent ;-) Juergen Juergen Schmidt wrote: FOSDEM - the Free and Open Source Developer's European Meeting - is nearly upon us. FOSDEM is the most developer-focused FOSS conference, and will take place in Brussels, Belgium on 6th/7th February (not forgetting the FOSDEM beer event on the Friday night :) . Geek s from all the major FOSS projects are expected to be there - including OpenOffice.org.If you are an experienced OpenOffice.org developer, we need your help!OpenOffice.org will have again a DevRoom at FOSDEM. The main goal of the DevRoom is to attract developers to work on and with OpenOffice.org. We want to show developers that there is nothing magic about OpenOffice.org development, and that our active and enthusiastic developer community is keen to help newcomers. We want to help developers get started on the code - by explaining how the source code is structured and how our build environment works. We're also keen to show developers how to integrate OpenOffice.org in their own applications, using interfaces, APIs, components, etc. We want to encourage developers to produce exciting new extensions for OpenOffice.org.If you are able to share your in-depth technical knowledge and enthusiasm then pleas e get in touch without delay. We are looking for people who can:- give a 45 minute talk; or - run 90 or 120 minute workshopsPlease send your proposals (see below) to juergen.schmidt (at) sun.com as soon as possible - by the end of this week (latest Saturday 10th).Make it your New Year's Resolution to recruit a new developer in 2009 - and help us start the ball rolling at FOSDEM in February.Proposals = Your proposal should include - a title - a short abstract - your full name - a short bio of you and ideally your role in the OpenOffice.org project - request for sponsorship (travel, lodging) We know that we are again a little bit late this year and that it is short-time. But we promise to improve it next year ;-) Thanks in advanceJuergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org _ Vanaf nu heb je je vrienden overal bij! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/?mkt=nl-be - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Start work on an OO.org roll-up banner
I.D.Dolan-Betney wrote: KAMI911 KAMI911 wrote: Hi, What about a slogan like: Be our hero, be OpenOffice.org developer. KAMI - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org Anyone what lunch costs around here? i don't understand your question in this context. OO won't sponsor lunches anyway ;-) Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] FOSDEM 2009: Call for Papers for our OpenOffice.org DevRoom
FOSDEM - the Free and Open Source Developer's European Meeting - is nearly upon us. FOSDEM is the most developer-focused FOSS conference, and will take place in Brussels, Belgium on 6th/7th February (not forgetting the FOSDEM beer event on the Friday night :) . Geeks from all the major FOSS projects are expected to be there - including OpenOffice.org. If you are an experienced OpenOffice.org developer, we need your help! OpenOffice.org will have again a DevRoom at FOSDEM. The main goal of the DevRoom is to attract developers to work on and with OpenOffice.org. We want to show developers that there is nothing magic about OpenOffice.org development, and that our active and enthusiastic developer community is keen to help newcomers. We want to help developers get started on the code - by explaining how the source code is structured and how our build environment works. We're also keen to show developers how to integrate OpenOffice.org in their own applications, using interfaces, APIs, components, etc. We want to encourage developers to produce exciting new extensions for OpenOffice.org. If you are able to share your in-depth technical knowledge and enthusiasm then please get in touch without delay. We are looking for people who can: - give a 45 minute talk; or - run 90 or 120 minute workshops Please send your proposals (see below) to juergen.schmidt (at) sun.com as soon as possible - by the end of this week (latest Saturday 10th). Make it your New Year's Resolution to recruit a new developer in 2009 - and help us start the ball rolling at FOSDEM in February. Proposals = Your proposal should include - a title - a short abstract - your full name - a short bio of you and ideally your role in the OpenOffice.org project - request for sponsorship (travel, lodging) We know that we are again a little bit late this year and that it is short-time. But we promise to improve it next year ;-) Thanks in advance Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] FOSDEM: We need a T-Shirts slogan/design ...
Cor Nouws wrote: Cor Nouws wrote (29-12-2008 10:58) Cor, feel free to contact your local vendor for a quote. I just send out a request for a quotation. Maybe they have advice on colours and printing as well. They mailed before oldnew that they would answer soon in this first week. I answered them that we have not much time. Up until now: no news. i talked yesterday with the vendor and discussed the design. I have asked Jacek for minor changes. The overall design will not change. I hope i get quotes later today. Juergen Ciao, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] VietNamNet - Vietnam to widely use open source software
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: To us, this is not exactly news, but to the world it is. Congratulations to Clytie Siddall, and the many who have made this not just possible but necessary. indeed good news, congratulations from me as well. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Start work on an OO.org roll-up banner
Hi Eric, eric.bachard wrote: Hi Jürgen, FYI, we use this one for every event the OpenOffice.org Education Projet attends : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/Education/Logo/logo_educooo.jpg the idea is to create a general OO.org banner without any relation to a specific project. The logo on the right side, is Ben Bois creation (Ben gracefully creates logos for us since years, mostly used by the Mac OS X port and the fr project). If you search in the folder above, you'll find the EducOOo logo, the non profit association acting as resource for the project (see http://www.educoo.org ). e.g. i still not understand why you have created this extra page ... Juergen http://eric.bachard.free.fr/Education/Logo/laMouette-Degree.jpg . Ben allows us to use the logo for the association, and if you need it, there is a high resolution pixmap available too ( as .tar.bz2 ) there : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/Education/Logo/logo.tar.bz2 Last, I got two banneers, who are approximatively 1,20 X 0,40 meters, and I'll take them with me (same as the .jpg above), if ever I can attend the FOSDEM. Regards, Eric Bachard Juergen Schmidt a écrit : Hi, i have started to work on a roll-up banner that can be used at events like FOSDEM, Linuxtag etc. The idea that i had is to pick up the design that we have created for the t-shirts and extend the banner with a tag cloud of OO.org related key words. Not too many and the design of my first draft have to be improved. The main reason for the draft is to start a discussion. Currently i am not able to upload it on the FOSDEM wiki page (the wiki is not available). But i will do it tomorrow and we can start to brainstorm ... Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Mozilla marketing brochure
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:15:59 -0600, Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com wrote: Hi Alexandro, do you aware of the flyers that we already have. I know the German community have one and we have prepared a developer, an education and i think a normal product flyer. I don't find it online at the moment but i will post the links when i have fond it. These flyers are really nice. I know the flyers that were made. Just compared to these ones, they are very amateurish. I did one for education and was OK but not as good, if I had more help on the artistic area maybe it could have been better. i think i have lost you. About which flyers you are talking? I hope not the ones where Sophie has posted the link. The content can be probably improved always. The design as well but i think that it is at least a good start. Juergen Juergen Alexandro Colorado wrote: Hi community I want to share the design and the high profile of the mozilla marketing brochure which looks awesome and want to challenge the marketing community to come with a great one too. I am sending the URL for people to review and come up with one of our own. http://alexandro.biz/mozilla_brochure_spanish.pdf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] FOSDEM: We need a T-Shirts slogan/design ...
Hi, Jacek has send me some new drafts and i have upload a new image in the wiki. I really like the new drafts, my favorite is number 5. Please take a look on it and send feedback to this list asap. I will contact a vendor to check costs for t-shirts and coffee mugs. I don't expect more designs and i will move forward to organize and clarify the production ... Cor, feel free to contact your local vendor for a quote. Juergen Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, the FOSDEM is coming soon, organization is ongoing(see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2009) We want to produce some merchandising stuff for our booth. One thing should be a T-Shirt (available for a donation - production price + ...) The time is short for a cool image/design (probably too short take 2-3 production into account) and the costs shouldn't be too high. We have received 3 drafts but we can't use it because it's too complex for the print. We need something simpler. I think about something like this: OpenOffice.org 3 It's free It's open It's simply cool I created a pure draft (it's of course not good, the gulls are really bad) and put it on the wiki. But hey i am no designer and gimp is not my best friend (too complicate for me). But i am sure that others have better ideas and hopefully somebody can produce the final design in a more professional way. I would like to start a brainstorming discussion here to collect ideas for a nice T-Shirt. As mentioned before the time is short and we need something at the beginning of January. Please take my draft as a first start and let us collect some better ideas... Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] FOSDEM: We need a T-Shirts slogan/design ...
sophie wrote: Hi Juergen, all, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Juergen, *, Juergen Schmidt wrote (29-12-2008 10:12) Jacek has send me some new drafts and i have upload a new image in the wiki. I really like the new drafts, my favorite is number 5. Please take a look on it and send feedback to this list asap. Looks great. I like other designs as well, but am very happy with #5. I will contact a vendor to check costs for t-shirts and coffee mugs. Good. I'll as Jacqueline about the mugs she wanted to order. Otherwise we will have too much to drink ;-) i found a local vendor here in HH who can produce both t-shirts, mugs and more ;-) I will keep you informed when i know details ... Great, the #5 design is really good (thank you Jacek :). May be it will be easier if the vendor send the material directly to my address ? yes, thanks for offering. We can discuss it when we know more details. By the way the other designs are nice as well, no. 5 is only my favorite ;-) I wish you a happy new year Juergen Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] FOSDEM: DevRoom speaker schedule
Hi Eike, yes we have to organize the schedule for our DevRoom. I asked Louis how we should proceed with this but got no response so far. I think we should simply start a short call for papers on our dev lists and should start to plan it in detail. The focus for the Devroom should be technical and for developers. At the booth i would like to see more marketing stuff. hopefully we can arrange a demo machine ... Juergen Eike Rathke wrote: Hi, Did I understand correctly that with our DevRoom we're able to setup our own schedule? Is there need to propose speakers to FOSDEM as can be seen at http://fosdem.org/2009/brainstorm ? What is the deadline we have to setup the schedule so it can be included in the official schedule? Eike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] FOSDEM: We need a T-Shirts slogan/design ...
Hi, the FOSDEM is coming soon, organization is ongoing(see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2009) We want to produce some merchandising stuff for our booth. One thing should be a T-Shirt (available for a donation - production price + ...) The time is short for a cool image/design (probably too short take 2-3 production into account) and the costs shouldn't be too high. We have received 3 drafts but we can't use it because it's too complex for the print. We need something simpler. I think about something like this: OpenOffice.org 3 It's free It's open It's simply cool I created a pure draft (it's of course not good, the gulls are really bad) and put it on the wiki. But hey i am no designer and gimp is not my best friend (too complicate for me). But i am sure that others have better ideas and hopefully somebody can produce the final design in a more professional way. I would like to start a brainstorming discussion here to collect ideas for a nice T-Shirt. As mentioned before the time is short and we need something at the beginning of January. Please take my draft as a first start and let us collect some better ideas... Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] FOSDEM: We need a T-Shirts slogan/design ...
Hi Luke, thanks for the offer i will potentially come back to you depending on time etc. What would be the price for a t-shirt with for example a 4 color print and let say 300 shirts or more? Juergen Luke Jones wrote: To get them made you can use a company called Mulberry Design Print were I work, They are UK based and delivery worldwide if its not in the UK. Were cheap and i can possibly get you a discount if you need somewhere for them to be printed. -- From: Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:37 PM To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: [marketing] FOSDEM: We need a T-Shirts slogan/design ... Hi, the FOSDEM is coming soon, organization is ongoing(see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2009) We want to produce some merchandising stuff for our booth. One thing should be a T-Shirt (available for a donation - production price + ...) The time is short for a cool image/design (probably too short take 2-3 production into account) and the costs shouldn't be too high. We have received 3 drafts but we can't use it because it's too complex for the print. We need something simpler. I think about something like this: OpenOffice.org 3 It's free It's open It's simply cool I created a pure draft (it's of course not good, the gulls are really bad) and put it on the wiki. But hey i am no designer and gimp is not my best friend (too complicate for me). But i am sure that others have better ideas and hopefully somebody can produce the final design in a more professional way. I would like to start a brainstorming discussion here to collect ideas for a nice T-Shirt. As mentioned before the time is short and we need something at the beginning of January. Please take my draft as a first start and let us collect some better ideas... Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Sun Microsystems GmbHJuergen Schmidt Nagelsweg 55 Technical Lead Programmability 20097 Hamburg, Germany Registered Office: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Commercial register of the Local Court of Munich: HRB 161028 Managing Directors: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Haering - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
