Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on KX3

[Bill Frantz]

I have run PSK31 on my KX3 using a USB sound “card” that I got for about $5 
from Amazon. I also used the standard rig to computer RS232/USB cable that came 
with the radio for controlling the radio, PTT, etc from the computer. With the 
sound card, I had to include a pad in the radio to microphone input on the 
sound card to keep from overloading it. I used cocoaModem on the Mac, although 
fldigi also works.

Using the contest logger built into RUMlogNG, you may be able to use the 
built-in encode/decode of the KX3 with PSK31. RUMlogNG-contest uses the CAT 
commands to send and receive RTTY and CW in contest mode. It may be a simple 
matter to set the radio for PSK D and have that work. (Note that you have to 
run the radio in FSK D to use this feature with RTTY.)

Note also that cocoaModem is a 32 bit program. I have not found a 64 bit 
version to run it on more modern versions of MacOS. If anyone know of 64 bit 
versions of cocoaModem and cocoaNEC please let me know. They are the things 
that are keeping me from “upgrading” my MacOS.

73 Bill AE6JV

> On Feb 17, 2022, at 17:57, Paul Huff  wrote:
> 
> I’ve had my KX3 for about 4 months now and it is a wonderful radio.  I am 
> almost exclusively a CW operator but I am a little bit curious about some of 
> the digital modes, especially PSK31. My radio flawlessly communicates with my 
> logging software (RumLogNG) using the ACC1 jack and my question is this - 
> Will the ACC1 jack also work for PSK31, or is there more needed to interface 
> the computer and radio for the digital modes?  
> 
> Also is there any recommendation for PSK31 software that runs on a Mac OS X 
> computer (Catalina 10.15.7)?
> 
> Are there any websites with useful information about using PSK31 on a KX3?
> 
> (I know that the KX3 has a limited built-in PSK31 ability, but I haven’t 
> played around with that at all, and I think that a computer display and 
> keyboard would be better for me.)


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[Elecraft] PSK31 on KX3

[Paul Huff]

I’ve had my KX3 for about 4 months now and it is a wonderful radio.  I am 
almost exclusively a CW operator but I am a little bit curious about some of 
the digital modes, especially PSK31.  My radio flawlessly communicates with my 
logging software (RumLogNG) using the ACC1 jack and my question is this - Will 
the ACC1 jack also work for PSK31, or is there more needed to interface the 
computer and radio for the digital modes?  

Also is there any recommendation for PSK31 software that runs on a Mac OS X 
computer (Catalina 10.15.7)?

Are there any websites with useful information about using PSK31 on a KX3?

(I know that the KX3 has a limited built-in PSK31 ability, but I haven’t played 
around with that at all, and I think that a computer display and keyboard would 
be better for me.)

Thanks and 73,

Paul - N8XMS




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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[K8TE]

Times change.  ClubLog publishes a weekly summary of uploaded DX contacts at: 
https://clublog.org/dxreport.html.  For this past week, PSK was 0.11% of all
those contacts.  This is a representative sample (not scientific) of
activity by those who use ClubLog.

FT8/4 made up about 61%, SSB & CW just short of 38%.  This gives us a pretty
good idea of where to find the activity.  The summary includes other modes
along with other information.  You may not like it, but it is a close
approximation of reality.

RTTY fans (0.69% in this summary) can't believe there are so few operating
RTTY, except during contest weekends.  If one picks a mode with such small
numbers, one can't expect to find much activity.

I use multiple radios, one of which is dedicated to FTn.  This allows me to
make CW/SSB contacts while the other radio is making FTn contacts.  FTn has
filled in a lot of band-slots and even States on 12m toward 9BWAS for me,
with little skill and minimal effort.  If one pays attention to FTn details,
one can make even more contacts there.  I get tired of clicking.  I don't
like to move my hands off the home keys.

73, Bill, K8TE



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[Bob Liesen]

Gang,
  Well,  I solved the no decode problem with my KX2.  I was not decoding
much PSK31 because there is not much around to decode.  Since I was active
on digital modes, things have evolved (imagine that!).  Once I boned up on
the fact that most of the warbling one hears is FT8, and set up a program
for same, I'm decoding lots of signals.  I am truly a dinosaur.😕
Thanks to all and stay well!

Bob WB0POQ

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 5:20 PM Bill Johnson  wrote:

> Bob, when you get it working, then do an immediate backup in case you
> enter the wrong information after that.  You can at least get back to where
> you were.  When I am told I have a great signal on SSB, I do an immediate
> backup to preserve my settings.
>
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On Behalf Of Bob Liesen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:11 PM
> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
>
> All,
>   Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
> PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
> I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
> for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
> thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
> to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
>   I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5
> AGC is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
> screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
> function which does not help.
>  Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
> screwing this up?
> Tnx es 73
> Bob  WB0POQ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[Bill Johnson]

Bob, when you get it working, then do an immediate backup in case you enter the 
wrong information after that.  You can at least get back to where you were.  
When I am told I have a great signal on SSB, I do an immediate backup to 
preserve my settings.

Bill
K9YEQ

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Behalf Of Bob Liesen
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:11 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

All,
  Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on PSK31. 
 After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such 
thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close to 
one another for these old eyes and fingers.
  I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC is 
off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have screwed up 
the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
function which does not help.
 Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be screwing 
this up?
Tnx es 73
Bob  WB0POQ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[Ian, NV4C]

Bob,

Have you tried tweaking the gain on the KX2, to see if you can decode 
with the gain increased? Just spitballing, but that may help.


73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On 3/9/21 8:11 PM, Bob Liesen wrote:

All,
   Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
   I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
function which does not help.
  Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
screwing this up?
Tnx es 73
Bob  WB0POQ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[Alan Bloom]

I just tried out DigiPan with my KX2 for the first time earlier today.  
At first I thought it wasn't working because I couldn't decode any 
signals on PSK31.  Then I happened to stumble on a W1AW bulletin on 
RTTY.  Then they switched over to PSK31 and it decoded perfectly.


I guess the answer is that a lot of the signals on the air that sound 
like PSK31 are actually something else.


By the way, PSK31 is symmetrical in frequency so it doesn't matter 
whether you select LSB or USB.   That's why the Reverse function in 
DigiPan is disabled for PSK31.


When W1AW first switched from RTTY to PSK31, the KX2 was still in FSK 
mode with the narrow filter.  It decoded the PSK31 just fine. Then I 
switched to LSB and it continued to decode perfectly.


Alan N1AL


On 3/9/2021 6:11 PM, Bob Liesen wrote:

All,
   Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
   I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
function which does not help.
  Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
screwing this up?
Tnx es 73
Bob  WB0POQ



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[Bill Frantz]

On 3/9/21 at 8:11 PM, wb0...@gmail.com (Bob Liesen) wrote:


I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
function which does not help.


One of the joys of PSK31 is that the signals are symmetric, that 
is both USB and LSB will be able to decode the signal.


I'm not sure I can help further since I haven't tried to work 
PSK31 on a KX2 and I don't think I have any of the software you 
are using. (It probably won't run on my Mac.)


Can you decode signals using the internal PSK31 on the KX2? If 
that works, then you have decodable audio being sent to your computer.


73 Bill AE6JV

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[Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[Bob Liesen]

All,
  Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
  I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
function which does not help.
 Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
screwing this up?
Tnx es 73
Bob  WB0POQ
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[Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

[Bob Liesen]

Gang,
  I am trying to get DigiPan (and other) apps to decode PSK31 from the
phones jack of my KX2.  I have tried the DATA A mode as well as normal SSB
mode.  I have tried a USB sound card as well as the built in sound card of
my laptop.  I can see signals in the waterfall, they look normal.  I have
tried reversing the sideband in use.  All to no avail.  My old TS 430S
decodes perfectly with simple cables hooked up between the radio and
computer, which is leading me to suspect I am missing something with the
KX2.
  Any thoughts?

Bob  WB0POQ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31, RTTY, and CW -- all conversational modes, all alive and kickin'

[Wayne Burdick]

Just a follow-up on this topic for those using PSK31 mode:  The K4 handles 
upper- and lower-case characters, in both transmit and receive. Previously we 
handled upper-case only.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




> On May 9, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Recently we've been testing and enhancing the K4's built-in text 
> decode/encode. This feature is very convenient on the K4, with multiple lines 
> of received text, and the ability to use a keyboard (wired or wireless) at 
> any of the three USB-A jacks. You can also transmit in any of these modes by 
> sending CW with the keyer paddle.
> 
> At present the K4 can handle PSK31, RTTY, and CW, as on our other 
> transceivers. We hope to add other in-box text modes in the future. 
> 
> I was happy to discover lots of activity in all three modes over the past 
> week. PSK31 -- which provides below-the-noise-floor copy -- is found 
> primarily on 20 meters from 14070-14073, and I've also heard it on 80, 40, 
> and 15 meters. RTTY is common (especially during weekend contests) around 
> 14080-14090 or higher. And of course there's CW at all times of the day or 
> night. Weekly CWT contests are a big draw these days.
> 
> Each of these modes has its idiosyncrasies. But one thing they all have in 
> common is that they're conversational -- you can carry on real QSOs. They can 
> also be used in contests, with no "canned" limitations on exchanges as with 
> heavily automated data modes.
> 
> I encourage everyone to give these modes a try. If you have a K3, K3S, KX2, 
> or KX3, you can use all three. Decoded text is scrolled across the VFO B 
> display as signals are tuned in. (See your owner's manual for further 
> details.)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31, RTTY, and CW -- all conversational modes, all alive and kickin'

[Joan via Elecraft]

Thanks, Wayne!

The ability to do PSK31 ‘barefoot’ (without an external computer) is one of a 
number of reasons I decided to get my KX2, and I’ve not regretted it!

I also love CW in SSB Mode; and I very much appreciate that I can set the 
sidetone to precisely A 440 and that the reception passband automatically 
centers itself to whatever the sidetone is set to, etc.  There are so many 
wonderful subtleties nestled within the Elecraft design philosophy!

73 de KX2CW  ..
Joan

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Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:18, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Recently we've been testing and enhancing the K4's built-in text 
> decode/encode. This feature is very convenient on the K4, with multiple lines 
> of received text, and the ability to use a keyboard (wired or wireless) at 
> any of the three USB-A jacks. You can also transmit in any of these modes by 
> sending CW with the keyer paddle.
> 
> At present the K4 can handle PSK31, RTTY, and CW, as on our other 
> transceivers. We hope to add other in-box text modes in the future. 
> 
> I was happy to discover lots of activity in all three modes over the past 
> week. PSK31 -- which provides below-the-noise-floor copy -- is found 
> primarily on 20 meters from 14070-14073, and I've also heard it on 80, 40, 
> and 15 meters. RTTY is common (especially during weekend contests) around 
> 14080-14090 or higher. And of course there's CW at all times of the day or 
> night. Weekly CWT contests are a big draw these days.
> 
> Each of these modes has its idiosyncrasies. But one thing they all have in 
> common is that they're conversational -- you can carry on real QSOs. They can 
> also be used in contests, with no "canned" limitations on exchanges as with 
> heavily automated data modes.
> 
> I encourage everyone to give these modes a try. If you have a K3, K3S, KX2, 
> or KX3, you can use all three. Decoded text is scrolled across the VFO B 
> display as signals are tuned in. (See your owner's manual for further 
> details.)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] PSK31, RTTY, and CW -- all conversational modes, all alive and kickin'

[Wayne Burdick]

Recently we've been testing and enhancing the K4's built-in text decode/encode. 
This feature is very convenient on the K4, with multiple lines of received 
text, and the ability to use a keyboard (wired or wireless) at any of the three 
USB-A jacks. You can also transmit in any of these modes by sending CW with the 
keyer paddle.

At present the K4 can handle PSK31, RTTY, and CW, as on our other transceivers. 
We hope to add other in-box text modes in the future. 

I was happy to discover lots of activity in all three modes over the past week. 
PSK31 -- which provides below-the-noise-floor copy -- is found primarily on 20 
meters from 14070-14073, and I've also heard it on 80, 40, and 15 meters. RTTY 
is common (especially during weekend contests) around 14080-14090 or higher. 
And of course there's CW at all times of the day or night. Weekly CWT contests 
are a big draw these days.

Each of these modes has its idiosyncrasies. But one thing they all have in 
common is that they're conversational -- you can carry on real QSOs. They can 
also be used in contests, with no "canned" limitations on exchanges as with 
heavily automated data modes.

I encourage everyone to give these modes a try. If you have a K3, K3S, KX2, or 
KX3, you can use all three. Decoded text is scrolled across the VFO B display 
as signals are tuned in. (See your owner's manual for further details.)

73,
Wayne
N6KR






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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 for my KX3 with a Samsung Galaxy 4 Android....

[Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft]

I agree, the KX3 Companion app is FB. Last month I even used it for over a 
hundred QSOs in the JARTS RTTY contest with no crashes or hiccups.

73, Ryan AI6DO
  From: James Rodenkirch 
 To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:23 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 for my KX3 with a Samsung Galaxy 4 Android
   






http://kx3companion.com/

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KX3 Companion
The KX3 Companion in an app that will let the power use of your Elecraft KX3 HF 
radio easier and lighter. No need for a PC! It will let you send and receive 
CW, PSK31 ...
Read more...<http://kx3companion.com/>




Is that cool or what?  need to pick up the android cable adapter at Best Buy 
(don't need no stinkin' audio cable interface and don't need a computer) - just 
use my cell phone...wicked cool!!!


72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV
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[Elecraft] PSK31 for my KX3 with a Samsung Galaxy 4 Android....

[James Rodenkirch]

http://kx3companion.com/

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Is that cool or what?  need to pick up the android cable adapter at Best Buy 
(don't need no stinkin' audio cable interface and don't need a computer) - just 
use my cell phone...wicked cool!!!


72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV
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[Elecraft] PSK31 on KX3/PX3 + ref/scale on PX3

[David Orman]

When using the PX3 panadapter, should I be attempting to select the center
of a psk31 communication on the waterfall, or picking the low end or high
end depending on band? My text decode has been variable so far, and I've
not been able to figure out why. Sometimes, I'm tuned at the center of the
transmission, and I get a lot of 'E' characters, sometimes I get full
decode. Sometimes I tune at the bottom of the transmission on 20m, and get
a clean decode, sometimes nothing. I haven't figured out what I'm doing
right/wrong that drives clean decoding.

I'm also unsure how to adjust ref/scale appropriately. If anybody has any
tips/rules of thumb, they would be very much appreciated. You'll have to
excuse my ignorance, I'm a new operator and have spent most of my time
building/working on new antennas. I'm just now getting around to optimizing
the transceiver side of things.

Thank you,
David
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[Elecraft] PSK31 text lower or upper case?

[ve3ibw]

Is the KX3's PSK D support for sent/received PSK31 text upper or lower case? 
I ask because the VFO B display on the KX3 shows only upper case letters
being received.  Also, when I send lowercase through Hamlog and the Piglet
from Pignology, the KX3 shows only upper case letters.  PSK31 best practices
indicate that to achieve better message content throughput, use lowercase
letters as often as possible.

Regards,
Brian
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 AND PSK63

[Wayne Burdick]

Yes, it's on the wish-list for both the K3 and KX3. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 11, 2014, at 7:45 PM, "Igor Sokolov"  wrote:

> I do not know how and why this thread turned into someting different but the 
> original question was- is Elecraft going to do FW upgrade to add PSK63 to the 
> mix of modes KX3 and K3 already have? PSK63 is getting very popular and I 
> would be happy to have it coded and decoded by KX3 (and K3).
> 
> 73, Igor UA9CDC 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 AND PSK63

[Igor Sokolov]

I do not know how and why this thread turned into someting different but the 
original question was- is Elecraft going to do FW upgrade to add PSK63 to 
the mix of modes KX3 and K3 already have? PSK63 is getting very popular and 
I would be happy to have it coded and decoded by KX3 (and K3).


73, Igor UA9CDC 


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 AND PSK63

[XE3/K5ENS]

With only about 8000 K3's and what 3 or 4+ million other radios.  I don't
think the Ham world cares much about that.  And those 8000 aren't making 
much difference on the air.  But drink another glass of Kool-Aid and you
might even think because the K3 uses less power it's going to solve
global warming.  Besides isn't that the whole point in having that mega
station so every one can hear you.

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 AND PSK63

[Rick Bates]

I beg to differ for one simple reason; many of the K-I-Y transmitters send out 
a variety of noises, excessive width and IMD, that is not from users 
overdriving but is the manufacturers simply "cheaping out" to save money.  
Elecraft does it right; focus on quality, always.  (Go big or go home.)

I'd rather focus the RF energy cleanly into the desired spectrum rather than 
all over the spectrum.  No magic involved, it's spectral purity. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:47 AM, XE3/K5ENS  wrote:
> 
> You are all "sick" if you think that 5 watts from a K3 is some how magically
> greater
> than 5 watts from some other brand like Yaesu 5000mp or Kenwood TS590.  The
> brand
> probably is the least likely variable as to whether you are heard or not. 
> Most modern
> transmitters are equally as bad as the next.
> 
> 
> Keith 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 AND PSK63

[XE3/K5ENS]

You are all "sick" if you think that 5 watts from a K3 is some how magically
greater
than 5 watts from some other brand like Yaesu 5000mp or Kenwood TS590.  The
brand
probably is the least likely variable as to whether you are heard or not. 
Most modern
transmitters are equally as bad as the next.


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[Elecraft] PSK31 AND PSK63

[Igor Sokolov]

I really like the ability of K3 and KX3 (I have both) to code and decode 
RTTY and PSK31. It is very helpful to work those expeditions without need to 
change logging software. It was also very helpful when operating from DX 
locations and being asked for a quick digi QSO.
Now here is the question. With proliferation of PSK63 can we hope for an 
upgrade where PSK63 will be added to these two rigs?


73, Igor UA9CDC 


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 waterfall width control

[John Fritze]

Julie,

I found this posted somewhere when I had the same problem.  There is an
adjustment in FLDigi itself that will make the width wider.  It is not a K3
issue.

*The FLDIGI waterfall display width is controlled by the "xN" key, located
at the bottom of the display screen. "N" value can be 1 (where I had it
set), 2, 3, or 4 (full width).*
*
*
I hope that helps.  We are moving forward with NBEMS in the ENY section and
FLDigi is the main program with little add on's for EMCOMM.

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 waterfall width control

[Matt VK2RQ]

Maybe the sampling rate on your sound card is too low?

I did once see a glitch where the filter bandwidth was set wide, but the 
waterfall was narrow. I forget the details, but it wasn't hard to recover, and 
I never saw it again. That would have been late last year sometime.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

On 08/09/2013, at 7:37 AM, "Julie Royster"  wrote:

> Earlier I thought I understood that setting the filter width on the KX3 to
> maximum would yield a wide waterfall on PSK31, but there must be something
> else too because now I have narrow waterfalls while the KX3 filter width is
> still set wide.  What am I missing?  THANKS!
> Julie KT4JR
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 waterfall width control

[Don Wilhelm]

Julie,

I just checked my KX3 using a broadband noise generator and Spectrogram 
to view the passband width.  With the WIDTH set to maximum, the passband 
extends from 250 Hz to above 3000 Hz (which should fill the waterfall on 
Fldigi).  I do not have Fldigi installed on my workbench computer, but 
that should not make any difference.


Use the numbers in the KX3 WIDTH display to judge the actual width - if 
you look only at the graphic on the display, it goes to its maximum 
width when the actual width is greater than 1.2 kHz.


The PBT knob normally alters the center frequency (FC).  Tap it to 
change the knob function to WIDTH.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/7/2013 5:37 PM, Julie Royster wrote:

Earlier I thought I understood that setting the filter width on the KX3 to
maximum would yield a wide waterfall on PSK31, but there must be something
else too because now I have narrow waterfalls while the KX3 filter width is
still set wide.  What am I missing?  THANKS!
Julie KT4JR


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[Elecraft] PSK31 waterfall width control

[Julie Royster]

Earlier I thought I understood that setting the filter width on the KX3 to
maximum would yield a wide waterfall on PSK31, but there must be something
else too because now I have narrow waterfalls while the KX3 filter width is
still set wide.  What am I missing?  THANKS!
Julie KT4JR


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Re: [Elecraft] psk31 & ALC

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

Are you using some kind of interface box that has a soundcard built in 
it?  If so, most of those default to mic level output.

You need 20 to 100 times more audio to drive the Line IN on the K3.
Check the documentation for the interface box and re-configure it for 
line level (or high) output.


You must drive the audio input as instructed in the K3 manual, then set 
the power with the power knob.
Following the typical advice on the web and in some interface 
instructions will not work properly with the K3 - I am speaking of the 
often repeated advice to run the rig power full and use the audio level 
to control the power output.  Ignore that for the K2, K3 and KX3 - they 
control the power output differently than most other transceivers.


73,
Don W3FPR
On 7/28/2013 4:17 PM, william wade wrote:

Hello again.  I have set up the K3 following the steps outlined by Wayne in his 
"operating tips for PSK31". Everything went ok until I came to the following 
tip: Use the MIC control to set up the drive level so that you see 4 bars of ALC...

Pressing and holding Meter brings up CMP/ALC. This is where I have a problem: 
nothing I do shows any ALC bars. What must I do to correct this situation?




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Re: [Elecraft] psk31 & ALC

[Walter Underwood]

Is the rig in transmit? ALC only registers when transmitting on my KX3.  
--wunder, K6WRU

On Jul 28, 2013, at 1:17 PM, william wade wrote:

> Hello again.  I have set up the K3 following the steps outlined by Wayne in 
> his "operating tips for PSK31". Everything went ok until I came to the 
> following tip: Use the MIC control to set up the drive level so that you see 
> 4 bars of ALC...
> 
> Pressing and holding Meter brings up CMP/ALC. This is where I have a problem: 
> nothing I do shows any ALC bars. What must I do to correct this situation?
> 
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[Elecraft] psk31 & ALC

[william wade]

Hello again.  I have set up the K3 following the steps outlined by Wayne in his 
"operating tips for PSK31". Everything went ok until I came to the following 
tip: Use the MIC control to set up the drive level so that you see 4 bars of 
ALC...

Pressing and holding Meter brings up CMP/ALC. This is where I have a problem: 
nothing I do shows any ALC bars. What must I do to correct this situation?




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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer STILL needed!

[Matt VK2RQ]

If you want to see your transmitted signal on the waterfall, go into FLdigi 
config settings Waterfall->Display->Transmit signal and check the "Monitor 
transmitted signal" box.

The level settings you have are similar to what I use, but check the TX level 
as Don describes in another response to your post.

73, Matt VK2RQ

On 19/07/2013, at 12:15 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> The waterfall display normally stops during transmission.  That is not a 
> problem.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/18/2013 8:30 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:
>> Hello again ELMERS,
>> 
>> (I appreciate all the help from the mail list, but I decided to standardize 
>> on Fldigi and my Macbook Pro … because this is what I am most comfortable 
>> with … I know there are other MAC HAM GURUS out there …)
>> 
>> I am trying to use Fldigi, a Macbook Pro, a Griffin iMic and my KX3 to talk 
>> PSK-31. With the help of you folks here, I have the receiving/decoding part 
>> of this process working. I am getting great decoding.
>> 
>> TRANSMITTING IS A FRUSTRATING DEAD-END.
>> 
>> My setup is cabled as follows:
>> ACC1 to the KX3SER Port connected. The KX3 Utility reports 
>> "usbserial-AD02DUIQ" at 4800 bps. Why I need this cable setup is beyond me, 
>> can someone explain the need?
>> 
>> My iMic is connected to the Macbook via USB port. The iMic switch is set to 
>> 'Mic". The headphones from the KX3 go to the "In" port and the KX3 Mic is 
>> connected to the "Out" port on the iMic.
>> 
>> The Macbook Input and Output levels for the iMic USB audio system are at 1/2 
>> level.
>> 
>> Playing with the ALC control, the Keyer/Mic is set to 3-4 level and the AF 
>> is set to 20. A nice waterfall appears and PKS-31 is decoded nicely.
>> 
>> Under Rig Control, I have experimented with both RigCat and hamlib settings, 
>> but I am TOTALLY lost here. I have downloaded the K3 RigCat xml file and 
>> Fldigi uses that file. In the RigCat and hamlib panels, the "Device" is the 
>> usbserial-AD02DUIQ mentioned above.
>> 
>> VOX is turned on and the TX light comes on at the beginning of a text 
>> transmission and off at the end.
>> 
>> PROBLEM:
>> The text appears in both the receiving and transmitting panels. The text 
>> shows up but the waterfall display stops, the text is sent and then the 
>> waterfall resumes. I get NO SIGNAL on the waterfall and therefore no 
>> TRANSMISSION.
>> 
>> This really shouldn't be that difficult. I am missing something major here … 
>> I will be happy to document my journey so that another Mac ham doesn't 
>> travel my "adventure"!
>> 
>> Lost in the bits,
>> HF Newbie Dave
>> K6WDE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer STILL needed!

[Don Wilhelm]

Dave,

Do you have the transmit audio levels set correctly?  The ALC meter 
should illuminate 4 bars during transmission with the 5th bar 
flickering.  If that is not the case, increase the audio drive level 
(either soundcard settings or KX3 mic gain or both) until that condition 
is met.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2013 8:30 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:

Hello again ELMERS,

(I appreciate all the help from the mail list, but I decided to standardize on 
Fldigi and my Macbook Pro … because this is what I am most comfortable with … I 
know there are other MAC HAM GURUS out there …)

I am trying to use Fldigi, a Macbook Pro, a Griffin iMic and my KX3 to talk 
PSK-31. With the help of you folks here, I have the receiving/decoding part of 
this process working. I am getting great decoding.

TRANSMITTING IS A FRUSTRATING DEAD-END.

My setup is cabled as follows:
ACC1 to the KX3SER Port connected. The KX3 Utility reports "usbserial-AD02DUIQ" 
at 4800 bps. Why I need this cable setup is beyond me, can someone explain the need?

My iMic is connected to the Macbook via USB port. The iMic switch is set to 'Mic". The headphones 
from the KX3 go to the "In" port and the KX3 Mic is connected to the "Out" port on 
the iMic.

The Macbook Input and Output levels for the iMic USB audio system are at 1/2 
level.

Playing with the ALC control, the Keyer/Mic is set to 3-4 level and the AF is 
set to 20. A nice waterfall appears and PKS-31 is decoded nicely.

Under Rig Control, I have experimented with both RigCat and hamlib settings, but I am 
TOTALLY lost here. I have downloaded the K3 RigCat xml file and Fldigi uses that file. In 
the RigCat and hamlib panels, the "Device" is the usbserial-AD02DUIQ mentioned 
above.

VOX is turned on and the TX light comes on at the beginning of a text 
transmission and off at the end.

PROBLEM:
The text appears in both the receiving and transmitting panels. The text shows 
up but the waterfall display stops, the text is sent and then the waterfall 
resumes. I get NO SIGNAL on the waterfall and therefore no TRANSMISSION.

This really shouldn't be that difficult. I am missing something major here … I will be 
happy to document my journey so that another Mac ham doesn't travel my 
"adventure"!

Lost in the bits,
HF Newbie Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer STILL needed!

[Don Wilhelm]

The waterfall display normally stops during transmission.  That is not a 
problem.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2013 8:30 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:

Hello again ELMERS,

(I appreciate all the help from the mail list, but I decided to standardize on 
Fldigi and my Macbook Pro … because this is what I am most comfortable with … I 
know there are other MAC HAM GURUS out there …)

I am trying to use Fldigi, a Macbook Pro, a Griffin iMic and my KX3 to talk 
PSK-31. With the help of you folks here, I have the receiving/decoding part of 
this process working. I am getting great decoding.

TRANSMITTING IS A FRUSTRATING DEAD-END.

My setup is cabled as follows:
ACC1 to the KX3SER Port connected. The KX3 Utility reports "usbserial-AD02DUIQ" 
at 4800 bps. Why I need this cable setup is beyond me, can someone explain the need?

My iMic is connected to the Macbook via USB port. The iMic switch is set to 'Mic". The headphones 
from the KX3 go to the "In" port and the KX3 Mic is connected to the "Out" port on 
the iMic.

The Macbook Input and Output levels for the iMic USB audio system are at 1/2 
level.

Playing with the ALC control, the Keyer/Mic is set to 3-4 level and the AF is 
set to 20. A nice waterfall appears and PKS-31 is decoded nicely.

Under Rig Control, I have experimented with both RigCat and hamlib settings, but I am 
TOTALLY lost here. I have downloaded the K3 RigCat xml file and Fldigi uses that file. In 
the RigCat and hamlib panels, the "Device" is the usbserial-AD02DUIQ mentioned 
above.

VOX is turned on and the TX light comes on at the beginning of a text 
transmission and off at the end.

PROBLEM:
The text appears in both the receiving and transmitting panels. The text shows 
up but the waterfall display stops, the text is sent and then the waterfall 
resumes. I get NO SIGNAL on the waterfall and therefore no TRANSMISSION.

This really shouldn't be that difficult. I am missing something major here … I will be 
happy to document my journey so that another Mac ham doesn't travel my 
"adventure"!

Lost in the bits,
HF Newbie Dave
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[Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer STILL needed!

[Esquer Dave]

Hello again ELMERS,

(I appreciate all the help from the mail list, but I decided to standardize on 
Fldigi and my Macbook Pro … because this is what I am most comfortable with … I 
know there are other MAC HAM GURUS out there …)

I am trying to use Fldigi, a Macbook Pro, a Griffin iMic and my KX3 to talk 
PSK-31. With the help of you folks here, I have the receiving/decoding part of 
this process working. I am getting great decoding.

TRANSMITTING IS A FRUSTRATING DEAD-END.

My setup is cabled as follows:
ACC1 to the KX3SER Port connected. The KX3 Utility reports "usbserial-AD02DUIQ" 
at 4800 bps. Why I need this cable setup is beyond me, can someone explain the 
need?

My iMic is connected to the Macbook via USB port. The iMic switch is set to 
'Mic". The headphones from the KX3 go to the "In" port and the KX3 Mic is 
connected to the "Out" port on the iMic.

The Macbook Input and Output levels for the iMic USB audio system are at 1/2 
level.

Playing with the ALC control, the Keyer/Mic is set to 3-4 level and the AF is 
set to 20. A nice waterfall appears and PKS-31 is decoded nicely.

Under Rig Control, I have experimented with both RigCat and hamlib settings, 
but I am TOTALLY lost here. I have downloaded the K3 RigCat xml file and Fldigi 
uses that file. In the RigCat and hamlib panels, the "Device" is the 
usbserial-AD02DUIQ mentioned above.

VOX is turned on and the TX light comes on at the beginning of a text 
transmission and off at the end. 

PROBLEM:
The text appears in both the receiving and transmitting panels. The text shows 
up but the waterfall display stops, the text is sent and then the waterfall 
resumes. I get NO SIGNAL on the waterfall and therefore no TRANSMISSION.

This really shouldn't be that difficult. I am missing something major here … I 
will be happy to document my journey so that another Mac ham doesn't travel my 
"adventure"!

Lost in the bits,
HF Newbie Dave
K6WDE






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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Richard Neese]

http://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/

I followed this minus using the headphone jack
I use the i/q and the mic jack and the usb control cable
Again I suggest getting the cable set from elecraft!

I do psk31 all day with it. And yes you have you adjust the mic and 
speaker gain on the pc for best acl.
no need for a signal link or other such device. and its imho much 
cleaner setup.


if you need help drop a email and I will help you get going and you will 
see its the best setup I have done yet.


I also suggest a few extra pieces of software lp_bridge  and nap3.

also if you can get a usb sound card .

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-External-7-1-Channel-3D-Virtual-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-PC-A-229-/400460458738?pt=US_Sound_Card_External&hash=item5d3d4daaf2

this is the external card I use.

just remember the cables go backwards  soundcard speaker to mic in radio 
and i/q out to mic in sound card.

color coding the ends with color tape make for a faster setup.



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Bill Frantz]

I find when using a SignaLink with both my K3 (using line in/out 
on the K3) and the Small Wonder Labs PSK-20 I have to raise the 
gain on the computer sound to radio link to maximum gain on both 
the signaLink and the computer sound adjustments. I get 
reasonable settings for the gain control on the K3 and a clean 
signal from the PSK-20. I've been operating this way for a 
couple of years with no complaints about spattering all over the 
bands. It is nice because I can restore the settings easily when 
they get changed.


Cheers - Bill, AE6JV/OK

On 7/18/13 at 10:35 AM, n...@hotmail.com (Ariel Jacala) wrote:

You may have to adjust the sound card’s Line Out or 
Headphones Out to achieve the peak ALC reading of about 4 bars. 
Avoid going higher than about 50% so that Line Out or 
Headphones Out do not clip.

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Barry LaZar]

Don,
I've  lucky so long that I've totally forgotten that point. It's 
really bad when you get old. :-)


73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 7/18/2013 11:31 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Ariel,

Nothing wrong with that plan at all.  Bond the computer and the KX3 
together and power everything from the same AC outlet to minimize 
common mode noise problems.  If that is not possible, you may have to 
add isolation transformers in the audio lines.
See the information provided by Jim Brown K9YC on the bonding 
solution.  He has posted it many times here on the Elecraft reflector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2013 11:10 AM, Ariel Jacala wrote:

Barry and Don
I have the Signalink USB.  However I have it dedicated to the K2.  
For the KX3, I was thinking of creating a dongle with the attenuation 
resistors Don suggested instead of buying another Signalink.  I 
realize that I will still have to adjust the soundcard levels to make 
the TX just tickle the ALC.  Is there a flaw in this plan?

Ariel




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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Barry LaZar]

Basically, there is nothing wrong with your plan. As long as get 
everything adjusted, it should all work like a champ. I realize that 
your approach is $100 cheaper, but if it doesn't work without you 
needing a drink during the process, reconsider and do another Signalink. 
I'm facing a similar issue with interfacing with my collection of 
"stuff". I kinda feel I'll take the path of least grief even if it takes 
a few extra bucks. Best of luck.


73,
Barry
K3NDM


On 7/18/2013 11:10 AM, Ariel Jacala wrote:

Barry and Don

I have the Signalink USB.  However I have it dedicated to the K2.  For 
the KX3, I was thinking of creating a dongle with the attenuation 
resistors Don suggested instead of buying another Signalink.  I 
realize that I will still have to adjust the soundcard levels to make 
the TX just tickle the ALC.  Is there a flaw in this plan?


Ariel

> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 10:20:12 -0400
> From: k3...@comcast.net
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!
>
> Don/Dave,
>
> Let me start with I use a SignalLink USB and the cables supplied
> with my Windows7 PC. I find that it is not necessary to do anything to
> interface except just plugging in the cables. The SignaLink has its own
> sound card and front mounted pots for level adjustments. This
> arrangement works fine here.
>
> Now having said what I do, I'll relate some things that I have seen
> that have caused real problems. Probably, the largest number of 
failures
> that I have encountered is the failure of laptop computer sound 
cards of

> transmitting and receiving on the same frequency. I have not
> investigated as to why this happens, but it does. Some digital mode
> software allow you to calibrate this problem out; Apple and the
> SignaLink don't seem to have this problem. Some use VOX to key their
> transmitters, but don't set it correctly. The last major failure I have
> seen is over driving the radio so that the distortion is too high for
> the other guy to demod and decode; you really need to keep your 
transmit

> levels well within the linear region of your transmitter. That means
> don't allow the ALC to kick much and NO compression.
>
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2013 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices available.
> > If you want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start with that
> > application. It is multi-platform and will work the same on a PC or a
> > Mac.
> >
> > The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels
> > involved. That does require you to have some familiarity with the PC
> > or Mac that you are using and its soundcard input/output levels.
> >
> > Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack
> > (the green one). That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the level
> > is about 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. Usually a 
100

> > K resistor in series with the Line out signal and a 10k resistor on
> > the KX3 side will do the job.
> >
> > On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the
> > audio to the computer. This will be fed to the computer Line In or
> > lacking that the Mic Input. Again an attenuator will be required. If
> > you are using the computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series
> > with the KX33 headphone output and a 10k resistor across the line on
> > the computer side will do nicely, but if you are using the computer
> > mic input, the series resistor should be increased to 10k.
> >
> > If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, 
the

> > normal applications will only use the left channel which is the
> > connection to the tip of the soundcard jack.
> >
> > That should get you started. As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would
> > suggest using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown
> > menu. Use PTT thru RigCAT and it should work.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >> HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried
> >> everything with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many
> >> permutations that all of my hair has fallen out!
> >>
> >> I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and
> >> am missing ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff
> >> working. I've played all the Youtube videos too, especially 
KD0BIK's,

> >> but I'm still stuck in the basic hardware and software setup.
> >

Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Ariel Jacala]

As Don has pointed out
"Note carefully -- for the KX3 (and K3) in data modes, the "ALC" meter is  also 
used as a level indication. Adjust the mic gain to produce 4 bars on the meter 
with the 5th bar flickering - that is the NO ALC point.The 5th bar indicates 
the onset of ALC."
>From Fred Cady's book Page 101
"Adjust KEYER/MIC to set the Mic gain for a peak ALC reading of about 4 bars. 
The ALC meter is actually acting like a VU (volume unit) meter. The onset of 
ALC is about the 5th bar so you should stay below that level. You may have to 
adjust the sound card’s Line Out or Headphones Out to achieve the peak ALC 
reading of about 4 bars. Avoid going higher than about 50% so that Line Out or 
Headphones Out do not clip. You would like to have the Mic Gain setting about 
the same as that used for SSB transmissions." I think this is where Don's 
suggestion helps is in adjusting the levels for increased sensitivity.
Ariel NY4G

> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:48:06 -0700
> From: kk7p4...@gmail.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!
> 
> Please read the data operation section of the KX3 manual.  You need to 
> set the Tx audio level so you have 4 bars of ALC, and preferably 
> flickering the 5th bar.
> 
> This is not a misprint.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Lyle KK7P
> 
> > ... I realize that I will still have to adjust the soundcard levels to make 
> > the TX just tickle the ALC.  Is there a flaw in this plan?
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Richard Neese]

you dont need a signal link with the kx3. the all you need is the cables 
from elecraft and the usb control cable. and a app like fldigi.


the usb cable does all the ptt and freq control via hamlib. the signal 
like is just a middle man that is not needed.



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Lyle Johnson]

Please read the data operation section of the KX3 manual.  You need to 
set the Tx audio level so you have 4 bars of ALC, and preferably 
flickering the 5th bar.


This is not a misprint.

73,

Lyle KK7P


... I realize that I will still have to adjust the soundcard levels to make the 
TX just tickle the ALC.  Is there a flaw in this plan?


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Don Wilhelm]

Ariel,

Nothing wrong with that plan at all.  Bond the computer and the KX3 
together and power everything from the same AC outlet to minimize common 
mode noise problems.  If that is not possible, you may have to add 
isolation transformers in the audio lines.
See the information provided by Jim Brown K9YC on the bonding solution.  
He has posted it many times here on the Elecraft reflector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2013 11:10 AM, Ariel Jacala wrote:

Barry and Don
I have the Signalink USB.  However I have it dedicated to the K2.  For the KX3, 
I was thinking of creating a dongle with the attenuation resistors Don 
suggested instead of buying another Signalink.  I realize that I will still 
have to adjust the soundcard levels to make the TX just tickle the ALC.  Is 
there a flaw in this plan?
Ariel




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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Ariel Jacala]

Barry and Don
I have the Signalink USB.  However I have it dedicated to the K2.  For the KX3, 
I was thinking of creating a dongle with the attenuation resistors Don 
suggested instead of buying another Signalink.  I realize that I will still 
have to adjust the soundcard levels to make the TX just tickle the ALC.  Is 
there a flaw in this plan?
Ariel 

> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 10:20:12 -0400
> From: k3...@comcast.net
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!
> 
> Don/Dave,
> 
>  Let me start with I use a SignalLink USB and the cables supplied 
> with my Windows7 PC. I find that it is not necessary to do anything to 
> interface except just plugging in the cables. The SignaLink has its own 
> sound card and front mounted pots for level adjustments. This 
> arrangement works fine here.
> 
>  Now having said what I do, I'll relate some things that I have seen 
> that have caused real problems. Probably, the largest number of failures 
> that I have encountered is the failure of laptop computer sound cards of 
> transmitting and receiving on the same frequency. I have not 
> investigated as to why this happens, but it does. Some digital mode  
> software allow you to calibrate this problem out; Apple and the 
> SignaLink don't seem to have this problem. Some use VOX to key their 
> transmitters, but don't set it correctly. The last major failure I have 
> seen is over driving the radio so that the distortion is too high for 
> the other guy to demod and decode; you really need to keep your transmit 
> levels well within the linear region of your transmitter. That means 
> don't allow the ALC to kick much and NO compression.
> 
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/2013 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices available.  
> > If you want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start with that 
> > application.  It is multi-platform and will work the same on a PC or a 
> > Mac.
> >
> > The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels 
> > involved. That does require you to have some familiarity with the PC 
> > or Mac that you are using and its soundcard input/output levels.
> >
> > Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack 
> > (the green one).  That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the level 
> > is about 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. Usually a 100 
> > K resistor in series with the Line out signal and a 10k resistor on 
> > the KX3 side will do the job.
> >
> > On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the 
> > audio to the computer.  This will be fed to the computer Line In or 
> > lacking that the Mic Input.  Again an attenuator will be required. If 
> > you are using the computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series 
> > with the KX33 headphone output and a 10k resistor across the line on 
> > the computer side will do nicely, but if you are using the computer 
> > mic input, the series resistor should be increased to 10k.
> >
> > If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, the 
> > normal applications will only use the left channel which is the 
> > connection to the tip of the soundcard jack.
> >
> > That should get you started.  As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would 
> > suggest using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown 
> > menu.  Use PTT thru RigCAT and it should work.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >> HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried 
> >> everything with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many 
> >> permutations that all of my hair has fallen out!
> >>
> >> I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and 
> >> am missing ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff 
> >> working. I've played all the Youtube videos too, especially KD0BIK's, 
> >> but I'm still stuck in the basic hardware and software setup.
> >>
> >> I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.
> >>
> >> Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to 
> >> interface the KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic 
> >> input, headphone output from the computer. I also have a Griffin iMic 
> >> that I've attempted to throw into the mix, again with no joy.
> >>
> >> I've read the Data Modes section in

Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Don Wilhelm]

Good points Barry, especially about ALC - in data mode, the KX3 will 
disable compression and equalization.  Use DATA A Mode (or AFSK for 
RTTY) with soundcard data.  Trying to use SSB mode on the KX3 requires 
more attention to compression and equalization.


Note carefully -- for the KX3 (and K3) in data modes, the "ALC" meter is 
also used as a level indication.  Adjust the mic gain to produce 4 bars 
on the meter with the 5th bar flickering - that is the NO ALC point.

The 5th bar indicates the onset of ALC.

Control the power with the power knob.  If you attempt to control the 
power with the audio level, you will find that the KX3 (and the K2 and 
K3) will 'power hunt' and the output will not be stable. This is due to 
the way Elecraft rigs control power output, it is controlled in a closed 
control loop.


Note that this is different from the advice generally given for data 
mode operation on the web.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2013 10:20 AM, Barry LaZar wrote:

Don/Dave,

Let me start with I use a SignalLink USB and the cables supplied 
with my Windows7 PC. I find that it is not necessary to do anything to 
interface except just plugging in the cables. The SignaLink has its 
own sound card and front mounted pots for level adjustments. This 
arrangement works fine here.


Now having said what I do, I'll relate some things that I have 
seen that have caused real problems. Probably, the largest number of 
failures that I have encountered is the failure of laptop computer 
sound cards of transmitting and receiving on the same frequency. I 
have not investigated as to why this happens, but it does. Some 
digital mode  software allow you to calibrate this problem out; Apple 
and the SignaLink don't seem to have this problem. Some use VOX to key 
their transmitters, but don't set it correctly. The last major failure 
I have seen is over driving the radio so that the distortion is too 
high for the other guy to demod and decode; you really need to keep 
your transmit levels well within the linear region of your 
transmitter. That means don't allow the ALC to kick much and NO 
compression.



73,
Barry
K3NDM



On 7/17/2013 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Dave,

It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices 
available.  If you want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start 
with that application.  It is multi-platform and will work the same 
on a PC or a Mac.


The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels 
involved. That does require you to have some familiarity with the PC 
or Mac that you are using and its soundcard input/output levels.


Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack 
(the green one).  That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the 
level is about 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. 
Usually a 100 K resistor in series with the Line out signal and a 10k 
resistor on the KX3 side will do the job.


On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the 
audio to the computer.  This will be fed to the computer Line In or 
lacking that the Mic Input.  Again an attenuator will be required. If 
you are using the computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series 
with the KX33 headphone output and a 10k resistor across the line on 
the computer side will do nicely, but if you are using the computer 
mic input, the series resistor should be increased to 10k.


If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, 
the normal applications will only use the left channel which is the 
connection to the tip of the soundcard jack.


That should get you started.  As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would 
suggest using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown 
menu.  Use PTT thru RigCAT and it should work.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:

Hi folks,
HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried 
everything with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many 
permutations that all of my hair has fallen out!


I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and 
am missing ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff 
working. I've played all the Youtube videos too, especially 
KD0BIK's, but I'm still stuck in the basic hardware and software setup.


I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.

Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to 
interface the KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic 
input, headphone output from the computer. I also have a Griffin 
iMic that I've attempted to throw into the mix, again with no joy.


I've read the Data Modes section in the manual and Chapter 7 Digital 
Modes of the Fred Cady book. They just add to my confusion.


Looking at the Fred Cady book, Figure 7.4 and 7.5 and Chapter 7 
sections 7.4 (107-108) and 7.7 (121-122), ALL remain a mystery to 
me, which hookup do I use?


My assumptions so far:
Low power, 5 watts or less
I need to put the KX3 into 

Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Barry LaZar]

Don/Dave,

Let me start with I use a SignalLink USB and the cables supplied 
with my Windows7 PC. I find that it is not necessary to do anything to 
interface except just plugging in the cables. The SignaLink has its own 
sound card and front mounted pots for level adjustments. This 
arrangement works fine here.


Now having said what I do, I'll relate some things that I have seen 
that have caused real problems. Probably, the largest number of failures 
that I have encountered is the failure of laptop computer sound cards of 
transmitting and receiving on the same frequency. I have not 
investigated as to why this happens, but it does. Some digital mode  
software allow you to calibrate this problem out; Apple and the 
SignaLink don't seem to have this problem. Some use VOX to key their 
transmitters, but don't set it correctly. The last major failure I have 
seen is over driving the radio so that the distortion is too high for 
the other guy to demod and decode; you really need to keep your transmit 
levels well within the linear region of your transmitter. That means 
don't allow the ALC to kick much and NO compression.



73,
Barry
K3NDM



On 7/17/2013 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Dave,

It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices available.  
If you want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start with that 
application.  It is multi-platform and will work the same on a PC or a 
Mac.


The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels 
involved. That does require you to have some familiarity with the PC 
or Mac that you are using and its soundcard input/output levels.


Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack 
(the green one).  That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the level 
is about 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. Usually a 100 
K resistor in series with the Line out signal and a 10k resistor on 
the KX3 side will do the job.


On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the 
audio to the computer.  This will be fed to the computer Line In or 
lacking that the Mic Input.  Again an attenuator will be required. If 
you are using the computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series 
with the KX33 headphone output and a 10k resistor across the line on 
the computer side will do nicely, but if you are using the computer 
mic input, the series resistor should be increased to 10k.


If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, the 
normal applications will only use the left channel which is the 
connection to the tip of the soundcard jack.


That should get you started.  As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would 
suggest using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown 
menu.  Use PTT thru RigCAT and it should work.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:

Hi folks,
HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried 
everything with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many 
permutations that all of my hair has fallen out!


I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and 
am missing ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff 
working. I've played all the Youtube videos too, especially KD0BIK's, 
but I'm still stuck in the basic hardware and software setup.


I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.

Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to 
interface the KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic 
input, headphone output from the computer. I also have a Griffin iMic 
that I've attempted to throw into the mix, again with no joy.


I've read the Data Modes section in the manual and Chapter 7 Digital 
Modes of the Fred Cady book. They just add to my confusion.


Looking at the Fred Cady book, Figure 7.4 and 7.5 and Chapter 7 
sections 7.4 (107-108) and 7.7 (121-122), ALL remain a mystery to me, 
which hookup do I use?


My assumptions so far:
Low power, 5 watts or less
I need to put the KX3 into Data A mode, not PSK-D
I can interface the KX3 to the computer without the iMic or other 
external sound card (figure 7.5 of Fred's book)? (Should/how/why do I 
use the iMic?)

I need to set the MIC BTN to OFF

I would eventually like to end up with PSK31 working on my Mac (with 
Fldigi), but I'd like to get it working on the PC laptop first to 
help me understand all of its nuances.


Arghhh … please help a newbie!
73,
Dave, K6WDE
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Re: [Elecraft] ] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Ariel Jacala]

Based on Don's suggestion - it would be easy to make up a dongle that one can 
use when working with the KX3 in data or phone modes.  Since the mic input has 
both audio (left-right channels) and PTT, one can put the resistors Don 
suggests in a small project box with the female ends (one for normal phone) and 
the other for digi modes.

Ariel NY4G

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:08 PM, "K7JLTextra"  wrote:

> When I first tried the digital modes with my KX3 I had mixed results. When 
> the laptop was plugged in it would not work with any setting on the computer 
> I KX3. Once I added isolation & attenuation between it was a snap to adjust 
> and get working. It is best to start with the receiving portion using 
> something like multiPSK to decode multiple signals. After getting one 
> direction going adjust the transmit per Elecraft's directions. 
> 
> John Hendricks K7JLT
> 
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 17:32, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
>> Dave,
>> 
>> It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices available.  If 
>> you want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start with that application.  
>> It is multi-platform and will work the same on a PC or a Mac.
>> 
>> The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels involved. 
>> That does require you to have some familiarity with the PC or Mac that you 
>> are using and its soundcard input/output levels.
>> 
>> Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack (the 
>> green one).  That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the level is about 
>> 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. Usually a 100 K resistor in 
>> series with the Line out signal and a 10k resistor on the KX3 side will do 
>> the job.
>> 
>> On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the audio to 
>> the computer.  This will be fed to the computer Line In or lacking that the 
>> Mic Input.  Again an attenuator will be required. If you are using the 
>> computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series with the KX33 headphone 
>> output and a 10k resistor across the line on the computer side will do 
>> nicely, but if you are using the computer mic input, the series resistor 
>> should be increased to 10k.
>> 
>> If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, the 
>> normal applications will only use the left channel which is the connection 
>> to the tip of the soundcard jack.
>> 
>> That should get you started.  As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would suggest 
>> using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown menu.  Use PTT 
>> thru RigCAT and it should work.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried 
>>> everything with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many permutations 
>>> that all of my hair has fallen out!
>>> 
>>> I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and am 
>>> missing ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff working. I've 
>>> played all the Youtube videos too, especially KD0BIK's, but I'm still stuck 
>>> in the basic hardware and software setup.
>>> 
>>> I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.
>>> 
>>> Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to interface 
>>> the KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic input, headphone 
>>> output from the computer. I also have a Griffin iMic that I've attempted to 
>>> throw into the mix, again with no joy.
>>> 
>>> I've read the Data Modes section in the manual and Chapter 7 Digital Modes 
>>> of the Fred Cady book. They just add to my confusion.
>>> 
>>> Looking at the Fred Cady book, Figure 7.4 and 7.5 and Chapter 7 sections 
>>> 7.4 (107-108) and 7.7 (121-122), ALL remain a mystery to me, which hookup 
>>> do I use?
>>> 
>>> My assumptions so far:
>>> Low power, 5 watts or less
>>> I need to put the KX3 into Data A mode, not PSK-D
>>> I can interface the KX3 to the computer without the iMic or other external 
>>> sound card (figure 7.5 of Fred's book)? (Should/how/why do I use the iMic?)
>>> I need to set the MIC BTN to OFF
>>> 
>>> I would eventually like to end up with PSK31 working on my Mac (with 
>>> Fldigi), but I'd like to get it working on the PC laptop first to help me 
>>> understand all of its nuances.
>>> 
>>> Arghhh … please help a newbie!
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, K6WDE
>>> dave.esq...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Ariel Jacala]

Don,

I wonder if you can sketch out a circuit diagram on your website for newbies to 
follow.

Ariel NY4G

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:32 PM, "Don Wilhelm"  wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices available.  If you 
> want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start with that application.  It is 
> multi-platform and will work the same on a PC or a Mac.
> 
> The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels involved. That 
> does require you to have some familiarity with the PC or Mac that you are 
> using and its soundcard input/output levels.
> 
> Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack (the 
> green one).  That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the level is about 
> 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. Usually a 100 K resistor in 
> series with the Line out signal and a 10k resistor on the KX3 side will do 
> the job.
> 
> On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the audio to 
> the computer.  This will be fed to the computer Line In or lacking that the 
> Mic Input.  Again an attenuator will be required. If you are using the 
> computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series with the KX33 headphone 
> output and a 10k resistor across the line on the computer side will do 
> nicely, but if you are using the computer mic input, the series resistor 
> should be increased to 10k.
> 
> If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, the normal 
> applications will only use the left channel which is the connection to the 
> tip of the soundcard jack.
> 
> That should get you started.  As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would suggest 
> using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown menu.  Use PTT 
> thru RigCAT and it should work.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried 
>> everything with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many permutations 
>> that all of my hair has fallen out!
>> 
>> I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and am 
>> missing ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff working. I've 
>> played all the Youtube videos too, especially KD0BIK's, but I'm still stuck 
>> in the basic hardware and software setup.
>> 
>> I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.
>> 
>> Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to interface the 
>> KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic input, headphone output 
>> from the computer. I also have a Griffin iMic that I've attempted to throw 
>> into the mix, again with no joy.
>> 
>> I've read the Data Modes section in the manual and Chapter 7 Digital Modes 
>> of the Fred Cady book. They just add to my confusion.
>> 
>> Looking at the Fred Cady book, Figure 7.4 and 7.5 and Chapter 7 sections 7.4 
>> (107-108) and 7.7 (121-122), ALL remain a mystery to me, which hookup do I 
>> use?
>> 
>> My assumptions so far:
>> Low power, 5 watts or less
>> I need to put the KX3 into Data A mode, not PSK-D
>> I can interface the KX3 to the computer without the iMic or other external 
>> sound card (figure 7.5 of Fred's book)? (Should/how/why do I use the iMic?)
>> I need to set the MIC BTN to OFF
>> 
>> I would eventually like to end up with PSK31 working on my Mac (with 
>> Fldigi), but I'd like to get it working on the PC laptop first to help me 
>> understand all of its nuances.
>> 
>> Arghhh … please help a newbie!
>> 73,
>> Dave, K6WDE
>> dave.esq...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Elecraft] ] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[K7JLTextra]

When I first tried the digital modes with my KX3 I had mixed results. When the 
laptop was plugged in it would not work with any setting on the computer I KX3. 
Once I added isolation & attenuation between it was a snap to adjust and get 
working. It is best to start with the receiving portion using something like 
multiPSK to decode multiple signals. After getting one direction going adjust 
the transmit per Elecraft's directions. 

John Hendricks K7JLT

On Jul 17, 2013, at 17:32, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices available.  If you 
> want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start with that application.  It is 
> multi-platform and will work the same on a PC or a Mac.
> 
> The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels involved. That 
> does require you to have some familiarity with the PC or Mac that you are 
> using and its soundcard input/output levels.
> 
> Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack (the 
> green one).  That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the level is about 
> 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. Usually a 100 K resistor in 
> series with the Line out signal and a 10k resistor on the KX3 side will do 
> the job.
> 
> On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the audio to 
> the computer.  This will be fed to the computer Line In or lacking that the 
> Mic Input.  Again an attenuator will be required. If you are using the 
> computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series with the KX33 headphone 
> output and a 10k resistor across the line on the computer side will do 
> nicely, but if you are using the computer mic input, the series resistor 
> should be increased to 10k.
> 
> If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, the normal 
> applications will only use the left channel which is the connection to the 
> tip of the soundcard jack.
> 
> That should get you started.  As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would suggest 
> using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown menu.  Use PTT 
> thru RigCAT and it should work.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried 
>> everything with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many permutations 
>> that all of my hair has fallen out!
>> 
>> I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and am 
>> missing ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff working. I've 
>> played all the Youtube videos too, especially KD0BIK's, but I'm still stuck 
>> in the basic hardware and software setup.
>> 
>> I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.
>> 
>> Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to interface the 
>> KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic input, headphone output 
>> from the computer. I also have a Griffin iMic that I've attempted to throw 
>> into the mix, again with no joy.
>> 
>> I've read the Data Modes section in the manual and Chapter 7 Digital Modes 
>> of the Fred Cady book. They just add to my confusion.
>> 
>> Looking at the Fred Cady book, Figure 7.4 and 7.5 and Chapter 7 sections 7.4 
>> (107-108) and 7.7 (121-122), ALL remain a mystery to me, which hookup do I 
>> use?
>> 
>> My assumptions so far:
>> Low power, 5 watts or less
>> I need to put the KX3 into Data A mode, not PSK-D
>> I can interface the KX3 to the computer without the iMic or other external 
>> sound card (figure 7.5 of Fred's book)? (Should/how/why do I use the iMic?)
>> I need to set the MIC BTN to OFF
>> 
>> I would eventually like to end up with PSK31 working on my Mac (with 
>> Fldigi), but I'd like to get it working on the PC laptop first to help me 
>> understand all of its nuances.
>> 
>> Arghhh … please help a newbie!
>> 73,
>> Dave, K6WDE
>> dave.esq...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Don Wilhelm]

Dave,

It sounds like you are being frustrated by all the choices available.  
If you want to end up with Fldigi, I suggest you start with that 
application.  It is multi-platform and will work the same on a PC or a Mac.


The first thing you need to get a grasp on is the audio levels involved. 
That does require you to have some familiarity with the PC or Mac that 
you are using and its soundcard input/output levels.


Usually, one takes the computer audio output from the Line out jack (the 
green one).  That will be fed to the KX3 MIC input, but the level is 
about 100 times too high, so an attenuator is needed. Usually a 100 K 
resistor in series with the Line out signal and a 10k resistor on the 
KX3 side will do the job.


On the other direction, the KX3 headphone output will provide the audio 
to the computer.  This will be fed to the computer Line In or lacking 
that the Mic Input.  Again an attenuator will be required. If you are 
using the computer Line In level, a 10k resistor in series with the KX33 
headphone output and a 10k resistor across the line on the computer side 
will do nicely, but if you are using the computer mic input, the series 
resistor should be increased to 10k.


If you are dealing with stereo inputs and outputs on the computer, the 
normal applications will only use the left channel which is the 
connection to the tip of the soundcard jack.


That should get you started.  As far as Fldigi is concerned, I would 
suggest using RigCAT and selecting the K3 as the rig in the pulldown 
menu.  Use PTT thru RigCAT and it should work.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/17/2013 6:10 PM, Esquer Dave wrote:

Hi folks,
HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried everything 
with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many permutations that all of my 
hair has fallen out!

I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and am missing 
ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff working. I've played all the 
Youtube videos too, especially KD0BIK's, but I'm still stuck in the basic 
hardware and software setup.

I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.

Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to interface the 
KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic input, headphone output 
from the computer. I also have a Griffin iMic that I've attempted to throw into 
the mix, again with no joy.

I've read the Data Modes section in the manual and Chapter 7 Digital Modes of 
the Fred Cady book. They just add to my confusion.

Looking at the Fred Cady book, Figure 7.4 and 7.5 and Chapter 7 sections 7.4 
(107-108) and 7.7 (121-122), ALL remain a mystery to me, which hookup do I use?

My assumptions so far:
Low power, 5 watts or less
I need to put the KX3 into Data A mode, not PSK-D
I can interface the KX3 to the computer without the iMic or other external 
sound card (figure 7.5 of Fred's book)? (Should/how/why do I use the iMic?)
I need to set the MIC BTN to OFF

I would eventually like to end up with PSK31 working on my Mac (with Fldigi), 
but I'd like to get it working on the PC laptop first to help me understand all 
of its nuances.

Arghhh … please help a newbie!
73,
Dave, K6WDE
dave.esq...@gmail.com






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[Elecraft] PSK31 KX3 Elmer needed!

[Esquer Dave]

Hi folks,
HF Newbie frustrated with PSK-31 setup on my new KX3. I have tried everything 
with no joy. I need an ELMER! I've tried so many permutations that all of my 
hair has fallen out!

I have PC and Mac laptops, Digipan 2.0, Fldigi, PSKer (for iPad) and am missing 
ALL of the basic setup knowledge to get this stuff working. I've played all the 
Youtube videos too, especially KD0BIK's, but I'm still stuck in the basic 
hardware and software setup.

I would like to first try PC Digipan, but am open to anything.

Somewhere, there must be a simple step-by-step setup recipe to interface the 
KX3, its microphone and headphone cables and the mic input, headphone output 
from the computer. I also have a Griffin iMic that I've attempted to throw into 
the mix, again with no joy.

I've read the Data Modes section in the manual and Chapter 7 Digital Modes of 
the Fred Cady book. They just add to my confusion.

Looking at the Fred Cady book, Figure 7.4 and 7.5 and Chapter 7 sections 7.4 
(107-108) and 7.7 (121-122), ALL remain a mystery to me, which hookup do I use?

My assumptions so far:
Low power, 5 watts or less
I need to put the KX3 into Data A mode, not PSK-D
I can interface the KX3 to the computer without the iMic or other external 
sound card (figure 7.5 of Fred's book)? (Should/how/why do I use the iMic?)
I need to set the MIC BTN to OFF

I would eventually like to end up with PSK31 working on my Mac (with Fldigi), 
but I'd like to get it working on the PC laptop first to help me understand all 
of its nuances.

Arghhh … please help a newbie!
73,
Dave, K6WDE
dave.esq...@gmail.com






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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K3/100

[Rick Bates]

Because ultimately it is simpler and keeps extraneous noises off of the air
such as system sounds.  It also means that you can set/forget audio settings
once properly set.  If you choose to use a soundcard, a cheap USB soundcard
is just fine.

Of course, PSK is inherent in the K3 abilities so a simple terminal program
is sufficient too.

As for 40M Ray, if it is manageable, you might want to listen in the early
morning just before your local sunrise (+2-3 hours), it's been a LOT of fun
on long path lately (all the way up to 10M actually, I worked Oman and UAE
on 10M last week, long path).

73,
Rick wa6nhc

-Original Message-
From: Ray Coles

Ray,

Why do you want an external interface?  You can use the soundcard in your
computer or spend the money on a nice external soundcard.  The line in is
already isolated.

See you in the waterfall.

73 de Eric, KG6MZS

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K3/100

[Elecraft K3]

Ray,

Why do you want an external interface?  You can use the soundcard in your 
computer or spend the money on a nice external soundcard.  The line in is 
already isolated.

See you in the waterfall.

73 de Eric, KG6MZS

On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Ray Coles wrote:

> Being mainly confined to evening operation when the higher bands are closed
> to me at this time of year, I decided to try out PSK31 on 40 and 80m. My
> mentor (George G3ICO) is a very experienced CW operator who always gets much
> better DX with his QRP (5W) KX3 than anything I can do with SSB and 100
> watts on my K3, so I figured PSK31 could be a way to get some of that! So
> far I have just used the K3 Windows monitor software and the built in K3 SDR
> PSK31 feature. After a few revisions of my stored macros via the monitor I
> am doing OK with several nice QSOs, even if no great DX so far. Thus
> encouraged, I plan to get an external data modes box, namely the Micro Ham
> Micro Keyer II. Would anyone like to comment on the relative results of K3
> SDR and Monitor versus FLDIGI/ HRD software (or similar) and a Micro Keyer
> II type interface? I might even try RTTY next! 
> 
> 
> 
> Ray Coles, C.Eng. M0XDL
> 
> 10 Littlemoor Road,
> 
> Weymouth DT3 6AA
> 
> Tel: +44 (0) 1305 833699
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> Mob: 07831 516517
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[Elecraft] PSK31 on K3/100

[Ray Coles]

Being mainly confined to evening operation when the higher bands are closed
to me at this time of year, I decided to try out PSK31 on 40 and 80m. My
mentor (George G3ICO) is a very experienced CW operator who always gets much
better DX with his QRP (5W) KX3 than anything I can do with SSB and 100
watts on my K3, so I figured PSK31 could be a way to get some of that! So
far I have just used the K3 Windows monitor software and the built in K3 SDR
PSK31 feature. After a few revisions of my stored macros via the monitor I
am doing OK with several nice QSOs, even if no great DX so far. Thus
encouraged, I plan to get an external data modes box, namely the Micro Ham
Micro Keyer II. Would anyone like to comment on the relative results of K3
SDR and Monitor versus FLDIGI/ HRD software (or similar) and a Micro Keyer
II type interface? I might even try RTTY next! 

 

Ray Coles, C.Eng. M0XDL

10 Littlemoor Road,

Weymouth DT3 6AA

Tel: +44 (0) 1305 833699

Mob: 07831 516517

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[aj4tf]

Julie,
Glad to see another PSK31 user come up!  I have been using it for a few
years on my K2 and it has become my favorite HF mode.  I am also using
fldigi and 'hamlib',  it works pretty well with the K2 also.   I made my own
digital mode interface with audio isolation transformers and a relay to
close the PTT line.  I also have a radio input/output switch box that I made
from an old A/B switch that lets me set up the radio / computer interface by
turning one knob to go from microphone/speaker to computer input/output.  

My shack computer runs Linux most of the time,  I use the 'xlog' program for
logging.   Fldigi has a direct interface to it, so as long as both programs
are running,  hitting the 'save' button on fldigi writes the contact to xlog
automatically.  The computer can also boot into Windoze XP for the
occasional ham related thing that only comes in Windoze flavors.

 I gave a PSK31 presentation to the local club a few months ago, contact me
off the list and I will send it to you if you are interested.  call sign @
arrl dot net

I hope to see you on the waterfall soon, neighbor. 

73,  David AJ4TF
@ EM96xa (High Point, NC)

  



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2012 23 Nov 20:59 -0600, david Moes wrote:
> rig control is somwhat limited in FLdigi  you can change mode and
> QSYif you want more control you can use FLRig.   the windows
> version is a little limited vs the Linux version but it still works
> quite well for basic rig control.

As maintainer of the K3 backend in Hamlib and now (it seems) the primary
maintainer of Hamlib, here is the deal.  Due to decisions made by Dave,
W1HKJ, the Hamlib included in Fldigi on Windows and OS/X platforms is
very old and from before I bought my K3 and corrected a lot of the
issues.  As we had to update one of our build tools due to a security
issue about the same time as I bought my K3, Hamlib can no longer be
built as Dave uses it, statically compiled into Fldigi.  So, even if a
newer version of Hamlib is installed on a Windows system, for example,
Flidigi cannot load it so users on Windows are forced to use Fldigi's
rigCAT or Flrig.

On Linux systems the default is to compile Fldigi to use shared
libraries so a newer Hamlib can be installed and Fldigi will use it.

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[Ham Radio]

Thanks Adrian for sharing this.  Does anyone have the modified Rigcat that 
goes with the Microham Microkeyer 2 that they would be willing to share for 
FLdigi?


Keith
AK6ZZ

-Original Message- 
From: Adrian

Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 7:05 PM
To: elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

http://vk4tux.no-ip.org/K3%20rigcat/K3.xml

for rigcat option

-Original Message-
From: david Moes 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:57:31 -0500




What do I do to enable fldigi to read the frequency from the K3?

In FLDigi  select Configure and choose rig control.   Then select the
Hamlib tabIn that window check the  "use Hamlib" button, then in the
rig menu box select the "Elecraft K3 (beta)". The Device should be the
com port that the K3 is connected to.  Set the baud rate to the same as
it is set on the K3.   sideband:  to rigmode The rest of the default
values should work.  including PTT via Hamlib command should be checked
  then under Harware PTT tab make sure that all boxes are
unchecked.  At this point click initalize  it should connect  and
you should see the frequency read out.   be sure to click save and close.

If it fails FLDigi may hang and show 'not responding' for half a minute
or so.  if this happens check that the port and baud settings are
correct and that there are no other applications using the same Com Port.

you will find FLDigi will now be able to put the K3 into transmit for
you as well without the PTT connection, this is done through a command
being sent via the serial port  rather than PTT or using the RTS/DTS.

if its working   close the program and reopen it.this will
permanently save the changes.

rig control is somwhat limited in FLdigi  you can change mode and QSY
if you want more control you can use FLRig.   the windows version is a
little limited vs the Linux version but it still works quite well for
basic rig control.


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[Adrian]

http://vk4tux.no-ip.org/K3%20rigcat/K3.xml

for rigcat option

-Original Message-
From: david Moes 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:57:31 -0500


>
> What do I do to enable fldigi to read the frequency from the K3?
In FLDigi  select Configure and choose rig control.   Then select the 
Hamlib tabIn that window check the  "use Hamlib" button, then in the 
rig menu box select the "Elecraft K3 (beta)". The Device should be the 
com port that the K3 is connected to.  Set the baud rate to the same as 
it is set on the K3.   sideband:  to rigmode The rest of the default 
values should work.  including PTT via Hamlib command should be checked  
   then under Harware PTT tab make sure that all boxes are 
unchecked.  At this point click initalize  it should connect  and 
you should see the frequency read out.   be sure to click save and close.

If it fails FLDigi may hang and show 'not responding' for half a minute 
or so.  if this happens check that the port and baud settings are 
correct and that there are no other applications using the same Com Port.

you will find FLDigi will now be able to put the K3 into transmit for 
you as well without the PTT connection, this is done through a command 
being sent via the serial port  rather than PTT or using the RTS/DTS.

if its working   close the program and reopen it.this will 
permanently save the changes.

rig control is somwhat limited in FLdigi  you can change mode and QSY
if you want more control you can use FLRig.   the windows version is a 
little limited vs the Linux version but it still works quite well for 
basic rig control.


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[david Moes]

What do I do to enable fldigi to read the frequency from the K3?
In FLDigi  select Configure and choose rig control.   Then select the 
Hamlib tabIn that window check the  "use Hamlib" button, then in the 
rig menu box select the "Elecraft K3 (beta)". The Device should be the 
com port that the K3 is connected to.  Set the baud rate to the same as 
it is set on the K3.   sideband:  to rigmode The rest of the default 
values should work.  including PTT via Hamlib command should be checked  
  then under Harware PTT tab make sure that all boxes are 
unchecked.  At this point click initalize  it should connect  and 
you should see the frequency read out.   be sure to click save and close.


If it fails FLDigi may hang and show 'not responding' for half a minute 
or so.  if this happens check that the port and baud settings are 
correct and that there are no other applications using the same Com Port.


you will find FLDigi will now be able to put the K3 into transmit for 
you as well without the PTT connection, this is done through a command 
being sent via the serial port  rather than PTT or using the RTS/DTS.


if its working   close the program and reopen it.this will 
permanently save the changes.


rig control is somwhat limited in FLdigi  you can change mode and QSY
if you want more control you can use FLRig.   the windows version is a 
little limited vs the Linux version but it still works quite well for 
basic rig control.



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[Scott Monks]

Julie;
    I am certainly not an expert on this--I have my K3 functioning pretty well 
for PSK and talking to my Mac but I am just to this level!  I am trying to get 
my KX3 up and running on fldigi--but that is for my play-time this weekend!

    However, I would like to comment on a couple of things and you can get the 
more detailed info from the experts.  I just hook my K3 directly to my laptop 
(two more cables--line in and out) so I can't comment on using Signalink.

Yes, you need to activate a "lib" and/or "cat" file and check the box for it to 
be used, but don't have the program here at work to see which (yes, I am 
supposed to be working--but it is Friday!).

    Maybe I am different than many, but when I am using fldigi and working 
digital modes (I don't use it for CW) I do everything from the computer.  I 
change bands, modes, freqs, etc., all from the keyboard.  Maybe it is because I 
use the computer so much at work so I am comfortable that way.  I use the 
fldigi log and then copy all new contacts over to RUMLOG because I haven't 
figured out how to link the two together.
    In contrast, all SSB and CW is from the radio and I only use the laptop for 
logging (with paper duplicate for nostalgia's sake!).

    Hope this helps.
73,
Scott   AA0AA; XE1/AA0AA





>
> From: Julie Royster 
>To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
>Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:18 AM
>Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!
> 
>I have made good progress with PSK31 , and thanks especially to David Moes
>and Bill Frantz for taking time to help!
>
>I switched to fldigi and have made one QSO so it is transmitting and
>receiving using the elecraft USB to RS232 cable.
>
>What do I do to enable fldigi to read the frequency from the K3?  David
>mentions the Hamlib file. does that work through the Elecraft cable? (I did
>not plug in the PTT part of the SignaLink cable because I have footpedals
>for me & Larry in the rear PTT of the K3.)  I guess if needed I could split
>the PTT input.
>
>Would you ever change bands from the computer using fldigi, or do you do
>that manually on the K3?
>
>Hoping everyone had a restful Thanksgiving!  
>73, KT4JR Julie in Raleigh NC
>
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[Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[Julie Royster]

I have made good progress with PSK31 , and thanks especially to David Moes
and Bill Frantz for taking time to help!

I switched to fldigi and have made one QSO so it is transmitting and
receiving using the elecraft USB to RS232 cable.

What do I do to enable fldigi to read the frequency from the K3?  David
mentions the Hamlib file. does that work through the Elecraft cable? (I did
not plug in the PTT part of the SignaLink cable because I have footpedals
for me & Larry in the rear PTT of the K3.)  I guess if needed I could split
the PTT input.

Would you ever change bands from the computer using fldigi, or do you do
that manually on the K3?

Hoping everyone had a restful Thanksgiving!  
73, KT4JR Julie in Raleigh NC



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[david Moes]

Here is my limited input  on digital and Digipan.   and in my 
experience  the K3 caters very well to this type of digital operation 
using AFSK.   The best when compared to any other rig I have tried or 
owned.



On 11/21/2012 1:50 PM, Larry Royster wrote:

Hi from Julie KT4JR, writing from the address of my husband K4MWE because this 
computer is hooked to our K3.
We have never done PSK31 and I have studied the archive to get started.
We first tried DM780 but it was complex for starters, so now I am trying 
digipan, figuring we can go more complex later once I catch on to this...  Don 
Wilhelm kindly answered some earlier questions but now I have more.
First I would agree that HRD can be a little complex if you are not 
experienced with PSK   and if PSK is all that you are interested in 
Digipan is a good start.   it has a few limitations vs some of the 
otherspersonally I prefer FLDIGI  but its all a matter of personal 
taste.



We have a SignaLink installed between K3 and computer (windows 7) with line in 
and line out connected but the PTT not connected since we have a footpedal 
inserted there.
The elecraft cable connects the K3 to computer’s COM4.  If using HRD this works 
fine.  I am thinking that if we do NOT open HRD then Digipan can use this same 
cable for PTT
I have followed the instructions for setting the K3 PTT to RTS-OFF and the same 
in Digipan.
In test mode of the K3 if I click the RX/TX button in Digipan I have the 
correct 4 bars ALC with 5th blinking, so I guess the transmit is working?


unless you are using some kind of Port slitter   you can only have one 
program accessing a serial port.  so you are correct that HRD or any 
other program accessing the K3 needs to be closed.  To have the 4 bars / 
5th blinking you are fine on transmit.  to be sure that its transmitting 
the right thing turn up the monitor and you should hear the warble.




I am confused about archive posts discussing VOX for PTT.  Can I ignore that?  
Is that a different option or is that necessary?
it seems that you have the PTT working fine with the RTD/DTS so yes you 
can ignore the VOX discussion.




We do not seem to be decoding any signals but I don’t know how to tell if that 
is because I have done something wrong or there are no signals strong enough to 
receive.  I have tried several bands.


what do you see in the waterfall at the bottom of the screen.   you 
should see blue with some yellow snow  with several vertical bars (under 
busy band conditions)  that stream from top to bottom.   the vertical 
bars start as other stations transmit.if you move  the red diamond 
with the flag above to one of these vertical bars  with your mouse you 
are tuned to the frequency of that one station and should see some 
decoding. weak faded bars are weak signals  and stronger ones will 
of course be strong sigs  turning red for really strong signals.  You 
should be able to decode even the weak faded lines to some level of 
readability.


if you see nothing   just a black waterfall  there are a few things to 
look at.


first check that the line out   level on the K3 is turned up this is set 
by pressing Config button for half a second then rotate VFO B to LIN 
OUT. it should read nor XXX   XXX being a level in my case the its 
004  quite low but I am not using a Signalink instead I am using the mic 
input to the computer.  The second to check is digipans settings for 
sound Card   ensure that it is using in your case the Signal Link. 
also check that the levels are set correctly.  this is best described in 
the Signalink manual so no point repeating it here.

The K3 is set to Data A, but Digipan does not know about data mode...  It has 
band-by-band settings for frequency, then 3 choices of tone, USB, or LSB.  I 
have tried each with no difference that I can perceive.  Which am I supposed to 
choose?  Maybe something more basic is wrong?


This  is just how the frequency is displayed in the scale above the 
waterfall.   I would recommend either USB (this is what Data-A does)   
or Tone.When USB is selected it will show the actual frequency of 
the signal you are receiving assuming that you are tuned to the 
frequency listed  in (Configure -- Band..) from the menu bar.  this is 
important as Digipan does not read actual frequency from the K3.   but 
the default listed frequencies here are the common frequencies used for 
PSK.   If tone is selected it will show you the offset of the signal 
from the displayed frequency on the K3.


THANKS to anyone with enough patience to assist!!!

If it is foolish to use Digipan because fldigi is lots better, then tell me 
that too!


Digipan is a great launchpad to get started with digital.  you can get 
the basics here and as you want more you can always migrate to others 
later such as FLdigi or DM780 MMVARIThe list goes on and on.


I am an FLdigi fan  mostly because it will do many other modes including 
RTTY and Helscriber and those modes that 

Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please! [K3]

[Bill Frantz]

Hi Julie - I don't have a Windows machine, so other people will 
have to weigh in on the Windows software issues. However some of 
your issues are computer agnostic.


On 11/21/12 at 10:50 AM, effectiveh...@bellsouth.net (Larry 
Royster) wrote:


I am confused about archive posts discussing VOX for PTT.  Can 
I ignore that?  Is that a different option or is that necessary?


There are two ways to key the K3 transmitter in digital modes. 
You can use the radio's push to talk connection, or you can use 
VOX (Voice Operated [Transmit/Receive] Relay). With a SignaLink 
in the system you have two VOX systems to choose from, the one 
in the SignaLink and the one in the K3. The easiest one to use 
is the one in the K3, and I recommend using it at first even if 
you plan on using the radio's PTT line later. It removes one 
connection from the equation which makes debugging easier.


(Full disclosure: I am still using the K3's VOX with my 
MacIntosh <--> SignaLink <--> K3 setup. I'm too lazy to makeup 
another cable.)


If you can't get the radio to key (go to transmit mode) with K3 
VOX then either the audio from the computer/SignaLink isn't 
getting through, or it is not loud enough. I run my SignaLink 
with the TX and RX knobs full up. I have had to adjust the 
computer output volume with the control pannel application to 
get enough volume. You can tell if the audio is getting to the 
K3 by using headphones to listen to the plug that goes to "Line 
In" on the K3.



We do not seem to be decoding any signals but I don’t know 
how to tell if that is because I have done something wrong or 
there are no signals strong enough to receive.  I have tried 
several bands.


Try listening to the signals by turning up the AF control on the 
K3. If you can hear the warble of PSK31, the signals are there 
and there is some problem getting them to the SignaLink or on to 
the application in the computer. I have the SignaLink connected 
to the K3 with a home brew cable using Cat-5 twisted pairs going 
to "Line In" and "Line Out".



The K3 is set to Data A, but Digipan does not know about data 
mode...  It has band-by-band settings for frequency, then 3 
choices of tone, USB, or LSB.  I have tried each with no 
difference that I can perceive.  Which am I supposed to 
choose?  Maybe something more basic is wrong?


The K3 Data A mode uses USB signaling to the computer. Whether 
you use USB or LSB on the computer won't matter for the PSK 
modes since they are symmetrical. It will matter for RTTY. I 
don't know what "tone" means in Digipan.


GL, Bill - AE6JV

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[Elecraft] PSK31 neophyte needs help please!

[Larry Royster]

Hi from Julie KT4JR, writing from the address of my husband K4MWE because this 
computer is hooked to our K3.
We have never done PSK31 and I have studied the archive to get started.
We first tried DM780 but it was complex for starters, so now I am trying 
digipan, figuring we can go more complex later once I catch on to this...  Don 
Wilhelm kindly answered some earlier questions but now I have more.

We have a SignaLink installed between K3 and computer (windows 7) with line in 
and line out connected but the PTT not connected since we have a footpedal 
inserted there.  
The elecraft cable connects the K3 to computer’s COM4.  If using HRD this works 
fine.  I am thinking that if we do NOT open HRD then Digipan can use this same 
cable for PTT
I have followed the instructions for setting the K3 PTT to RTS-OFF and the same 
in Digipan.
In test mode of the K3 if I click the RX/TX button in Digipan I have the 
correct 4 bars ALC with 5th blinking, so I guess the transmit is working?

I am confused about archive posts discussing VOX for PTT.  Can I ignore that?  
Is that a different option or is that necessary?

We do not seem to be decoding any signals but I don’t know how to tell if that 
is because I have done something wrong or there are no signals strong enough to 
receive.  I have tried several bands.

The K3 is set to Data A, but Digipan does not know about data mode...  It has 
band-by-band settings for frequency, then 3 choices of tone, USB, or LSB.  I 
have tried each with no difference that I can perceive.  Which am I supposed to 
choose?  Maybe something more basic is wrong?

THANKS to anyone with enough patience to assist!!!

If it is foolish to use Digipan because fldigi is lots better, then tell me 
that too!
73, KT4JR 
Julie in Raleigh NC, wife of K4MWE Larry 


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[Elecraft] psk31 transmit problem

[kf4clo]

Hi All
Tnx for all the help. Got it going this afternoon and even made a contact.
There is a lot to learn abt all
this stuff-when I get going good on the digital modes I'll have to work on
rig controll and auto logging.
(In the dark there. Hi Hi.) Tnx agn for all the help.
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31

[Greg]

Use Data mode and make sure you select Data-A as the submode, not USB.  Go
to the main menu and in the MIC SEL option choose Line-In.  You may have to
turn your VOX way up for it to trigger.

73
Greg
AB7R


On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 4:53 PM, David Guernsey  wrote:

> I am using a K3/10 and cocoamodem for PSK31.  I can receive great with
> cocoasmodem, but can't get the K3 to transmit from cocoamodem.  I am using
> USB
> mode per cocoamodem's config instructions.  How do I get my K3 to transmit
> from
> cocoamodem in USB using either VOX or PTT
>
>  73s de Dave Guernset KJ6CBS
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[Elecraft] PSK31

[David Guernsey]

I am using a K3/10 and cocoamodem for PSK31.  I can receive great with 
cocoasmodem, but can't get the K3 to transmit from cocoamodem.  I am using USB 
mode per cocoamodem's config instructions.  How do I get my K3 to transmit from 
cocoamodem in USB using either VOX or PTT

 73s de Dave Guernset KJ6CBS
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 transmissions

[Greg]

Julian,

Make sure you are using Data-A mode and not PSK-D.  The latter is only for
sending PSK via your CW paddle input (or ascii via a teminal program to the
serial port).  For soundcard programs you must used Data-A.

73
Greg
AB7R


On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

>  What radio do you have?  How do you have it connected?
> Everything is suspect when you first set something like this up.
> Are you actually in DATA A mode (K3), or if a K2, are you in SSB mode
> (usually USB) - or RTTY mode on the K2?
> Does it work with a less complex software application like Digipan?
> If a K2, is your SSB carrier balance set properly? - you should have no
> carrier if it is correct?
>
> Help with the answers to the above questions and tell us a bit more
> about how you have things set up - interface box if any, soundcard to
> K2/K3 audio connections, etc.  With that information perhaps we can
> help, or at least give you some checkpoints to look at.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/12/2011 11:56 AM, JULIAN BRADBERRY wrote:
> > I am experiencing a problem trying to transmit PSK messages.  I had a
> friend work with me to determine if I was transmitting both carrier and
> text.  The carrier went out strong and solid but the text did not accompany
> the carrier.  I've checked the Codec settings, text and data setting and
> they are set correctly.  The signal link and power meter indicated that I
> was transmitting OK. But no text. I'm using ham radio deluxe version 5 and
> dm780.   Anybody have any ideas how to overcome this issue?  I have a
> hearing problem so text is the best form of communication for me.
> >
> > WD4FTR
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 transmissions

[Don Wilhelm]

  What radio do you have?  How do you have it connected?
Everything is suspect when you first set something like this up.
Are you actually in DATA A mode (K3), or if a K2, are you in SSB mode 
(usually USB) - or RTTY mode on the K2?
Does it work with a less complex software application like Digipan?
If a K2, is your SSB carrier balance set properly? - you should have no 
carrier if it is correct?

Help with the answers to the above questions and tell us a bit more 
about how you have things set up - interface box if any, soundcard to 
K2/K3 audio connections, etc.  With that information perhaps we can 
help, or at least give you some checkpoints to look at.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/12/2011 11:56 AM, JULIAN BRADBERRY wrote:
> I am experiencing a problem trying to transmit PSK messages.  I had a friend 
> work with me to determine if I was transmitting both carrier and text.  The 
> carrier went out strong and solid but the text did not accompany the carrier. 
>  I've checked the Codec settings, text and data setting and they are set 
> correctly.  The signal link and power meter indicated that I was transmitting 
> OK. But no text. I'm using ham radio deluxe version 5 and dm780.   Anybody 
> have any ideas how to overcome this issue?  I have a hearing problem so text 
> is the best form of communication for me.
>
> WD4FTR
>
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[Elecraft] PSK31 transmissions

[JULIAN BRADBERRY]

I am experiencing a problem trying to transmit PSK messages.  I had a friend 
work with me to determine if I was transmitting both carrier and text.  The 
carrier went out strong and solid but the text did not accompany the carrier.  
I've checked the Codec settings, text and data setting and they are set 
correctly.  The signal link and power meter indicated that I was transmitting 
OK. But no text. I'm using ham radio deluxe version 5 and dm780.   Anybody have 
any ideas how to overcome this issue?  I have a hearing problem so text is the 
best form of communication for me.

WD4FTR
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[Elecraft] PSK31 Split

[Evert Bakker (PA2KW)]

Hello

 

When running Data-Mode and using 31 Bps PSK-D (using the internal CW  to PSK
converter) it is not possible to work split with VFO A and B

But Data-Mode using 45 Bps FSK-D split is possible. Did I run into a bug?

I solved this momentarily by using the XIT.

 

Anyone else having this problem?

 

FW 3.79 / DSP 2.54

 

 

73's, Evert PA2KW

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 setup

[George A. Thornton]

Thanks for the info.  That is exactly what I was looking for.  I will go
through this tonight, I am sure that is the answer.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:26 PM
To: George A. Thornton
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 setup

George,

I trust you meant QSO instead of QSL - the cards come after the contact.

:-)

Check the menu for MIC SEL when the K3 is in DATA A mode.  If it is set 
to anything other than LINE IN, it will not work from the Line In input.

Once you have set the microphone select menu correctly, go into TX TEST 
(so not RF is generated) and set the controls - either the K3 "MIC" knob

and/or the computer soundcard output to indicate between 4 and 5 bars on

the K3 ALC display.

Once you have that level setup correctly, go ahead and transmit (not in 
TX TEST) - you should have RF output.  Listen on another receiver if you

have any doubts.

73,
Don W3FPR

George A. Thornton wrote:
> Last night I started setting up PSK31 using HRD and DM780.
>
>  
>
> I am using an older Lenovo T60p computer in a port replicator, running
> Windows 7.  I made direct connections using 1/8 stereo audio plugs
> between the line in-out connectors on the K3.  The line out goes to
the
> microphone input in the laptop, and the headphones output on the
laptop
> goes to the line in on the K3.
>
>  
>
> I have things running apparently properly on receive.  I have had no
> problems working the waterfall to find and decode signals.  
>
>  
>
> I have also verified that on transmit the program does go through all
> the motions and does put the K3 into transmit mode.
>
>  
>
> I have not however been able to get a QSL from anyone yet.  I suspect
> there is something obvious that I have forgotten that needs to be done
> in order for the transmit to work properly.
>
>  
>
> I do have the radio in Data and set to Data A.  
>
>  
>
> I am sure I will feel stupid when someone tells me what I am doing
> wrong.  But, since none of you know me personally I am brave enough to
> take the risk.
>
>
>   
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 setup

[Don Wilhelm]

George,

I trust you meant QSO instead of QSL - the cards come after the contact. 
:-)

Check the menu for MIC SEL when the K3 is in DATA A mode.  If it is set 
to anything other than LINE IN, it will not work from the Line In input.

Once you have set the microphone select menu correctly, go into TX TEST 
(so not RF is generated) and set the controls - either the K3 "MIC" knob 
and/or the computer soundcard output to indicate between 4 and 5 bars on 
the K3 ALC display.

Once you have that level setup correctly, go ahead and transmit (not in 
TX TEST) - you should have RF output.  Listen on another receiver if you 
have any doubts.

73,
Don W3FPR

George A. Thornton wrote:
> Last night I started setting up PSK31 using HRD and DM780.
>
>  
>
> I am using an older Lenovo T60p computer in a port replicator, running
> Windows 7.  I made direct connections using 1/8 stereo audio plugs
> between the line in-out connectors on the K3.  The line out goes to the
> microphone input in the laptop, and the headphones output on the laptop
> goes to the line in on the K3.
>
>  
>
> I have things running apparently properly on receive.  I have had no
> problems working the waterfall to find and decode signals.  
>
>  
>
> I have also verified that on transmit the program does go through all
> the motions and does put the K3 into transmit mode.
>
>  
>
> I have not however been able to get a QSL from anyone yet.  I suspect
> there is something obvious that I have forgotten that needs to be done
> in order for the transmit to work properly.
>
>  
>
> I do have the radio in Data and set to Data A.  
>
>  
>
> I am sure I will feel stupid when someone tells me what I am doing
> wrong.  But, since none of you know me personally I am brave enough to
> take the risk.
>
>
>   
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[Elecraft] PSK31 setup

[George A. Thornton]

Last night I started setting up PSK31 using HRD and DM780.

 

I am using an older Lenovo T60p computer in a port replicator, running
Windows 7.  I made direct connections using 1/8 stereo audio plugs
between the line in-out connectors on the K3.  The line out goes to the
microphone input in the laptop, and the headphones output on the laptop
goes to the line in on the K3.

 

I have things running apparently properly on receive.  I have had no
problems working the waterfall to find and decode signals.  

 

I have also verified that on transmit the program does go through all
the motions and does put the K3 into transmit mode.

 

I have not however been able to get a QSL from anyone yet.  I suspect
there is something obvious that I have forgotten that needs to be done
in order for the transmit to work properly.

 

I do have the radio in Data and set to Data A.  

 

I am sure I will feel stupid when someone tells me what I am doing
wrong.  But, since none of you know me personally I am brave enough to
take the risk.

 

 

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[Elecraft] PSK31

[Mike Harris]

Good day,

I use MMVARI in Logger32 to work PSK31 (DATA A) and MMTTY for RTTY
(AFSK A).

Clicking on an RTTY spot the K3 correctly tunes to the RTTY.  The
MMTTY, K3 tone frequencies and DUAL-PB have been matched.

However, I cannot find the correct set-up, if one exists, for
clicking on a PSK31 spot and being tuned to or somewhere near the
correct frequency.  There isn't any option to tell the K3 what the
correct off-set should be.

I have tried putting a bookmark on the band-map and re-tuning to it
with no success at all even with "Adjusted DX spots for audio freq"
enabled.

I guess there is no way of knowing if the spotter has corrected for
audio offset or is just spotting suppressed carrier frequency and I
will have to continue mentally subtracting the off-set frequency
from the spot frequency.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31-D Question!

[Julian, G4ILO]

Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
> 
> K3 Utility can send the ASCII in its terminal window, but I do not 
> believe there is another PSK enabled application that will do the same.
> 
> 
KComm can send PSK31 from the keyboard using PSK-D (and RTTY using FSK-D)
since the K3 responds to the same KY commands that can be used to send CW
from the keyboard. There is still no convenient way to read the decoded text
back into the computer though, and I seem to recall noticing a new problem
(the details of which I have since forgotten) on transmit the last time I
tried it.

Since anyone who has a computer connected to the K3 almost certainly has a
sound card (or could easily install one) which would give far better PSK31
capabilities, it isn't a very useful facility and I don't blame Elecraft for
not giving much priority to the get decoded text feature. Though anyone who
uses the built-in CW decoder might find it handy to have more than a 7
character scrolling buffer available.

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31-D Question!

[Greg - AB7R]

Hello Kurt,

PSK-D mode is only meant for PSK keying direct from the CW  paddles input.  
FSK-D 
works the same way.  You can operate both modes from paddle input with no 
computer 
intervention.

Where FSK-D and PSK-D differ however are in their use with computer digital 
mode 
programs.  The K3 can be keyed in FSK mode using pins 1 and 5 on the ACC 
connector.  However PSK-D has no such keying lines.  Anytime  you are connected 
to 
a computer and want to run PSK you should have the radio in Data-A mode.  This 
automatically disables CMP to help keep a clean signal.  Then  using your 
soundcard 
output and the Line-In gain on the K3 adjust your settings to get 4-5 bars of 
ALC 
and you should be set.

Hope this helps.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
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On Wed Mar 24 11:49 , "Kurt Wiksten"  sent:

>Hi
>
>I am using Logger32 and N1MM logging programs with my K3. 
>On RTTY (FSK-D) and CW I am using the microKeyer 2 from microHAM as interface 
between K3 and logger 32 as well as N1MM.
>To work digital modes both logging programs are using the MMTTY / MMVARI  
>modules 
for coding/decoding
>This combination is working very well with FSK-D and CW but I also want to use 
PSK31-D. 
>PSK31 is OK receiving using the microKeyer2 soundcard but on transmit I am 
>only 
getting a carrier without any modulation.
>Is there somebody out there using the same equipment who could give me some 
advice???
>I know that I could use DATA A mode and use the soundcard in microkeyer2 to 
>audio-
modulate the carrier but I really want to use the direct
>PSK31 mode in the K3 for several reassons.
>
>Best 73 de Kurt/SM6BGG
>
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31-D Question!

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> To work digital modes both logging programs are using 
> the MMTTY / MMVARI  modules for coding/decoding This 
> combination is working very well with FSK-D and CW but I also 
> want to use PSK31-D. 

PSK31-D is used only for paddle sent PSK31 (or data sent via 
the KY interface on the CAT input).  Use either DATA A (best) 
or AFSK A-Rev with MMVARI/FLDIGI in both Logger32 and N1MM 
logger.  

In N1MM Logger, you can configure the "modes control" tab 
to use DATA A automatically for PSK31 (set PSK = PSK). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kurt Wiksten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31-D Question!
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am using Logger32 and N1MM logging programs with my K3. 
> On RTTY (FSK-D) and CW I am using the microKeyer 2 from 
> microHAM as interface between K3 and logger 32 as well as 
> N1MM. To work digital modes both logging programs are using 
> the MMTTY / MMVARI  modules for coding/decoding This 
> combination is working very well with FSK-D and CW but I also 
> want to use PSK31-D. 
> PSK31 is OK receiving using the microKeyer2 soundcard but on 
> transmit I am only getting a carrier without any modulation. 
> Is there somebody out there using the same equipment who 
> could give me some advice??? I know that I could use DATA A 
> mode and use the soundcard in microkeyer2 to audio-modulate 
> the carrier but I really want to use the direct PSK31 mode in 
> the K3 for several reassons.
> 
> Best 73 de Kurt/SM6BGG
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31-D Question!

[Don Wilhelm]

Kurt,

Unless you can get a software application to send ASCII to the K3, or 
operate the CW paddle inputs to the K3 (both dot and dash) with precise 
timing to emulate a person operating paddles for CW (hand key input will 
not convert), then PSK-D cannot be used.
K3 Utility can send the ASCII in its terminal window, but I do not 
believe there is another PSK enabled application that will do the same.

73,
Don W3FPR

Kurt Wiksten wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am using Logger32 and N1MM logging programs with my K3. 
> On RTTY (FSK-D) and CW I am using the microKeyer 2 from microHAM as interface 
> between K3 and logger 32 as well as N1MM.
> To work digital modes both logging programs are using the MMTTY / MMVARI  
> modules for coding/decoding
> This combination is working very well with FSK-D and CW but I also want to 
> use PSK31-D. 
> PSK31 is OK receiving using the microKeyer2 soundcard but on transmit I am 
> only getting a carrier without any modulation.
> Is there somebody out there using the same equipment who could give me some 
> advice???
> I know that I could use DATA A mode and use the soundcard in microkeyer2 to 
> audio-modulate the carrier but I really want to use the direct
> PSK31 mode in the K3 for several reassons.
>
> Best 73 de Kurt/SM6BGG
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[Elecraft] PSK31-D Question!

[Kurt Wiksten]

Hi

I am using Logger32 and N1MM logging programs with my K3. 
On RTTY (FSK-D) and CW I am using the microKeyer 2 from microHAM as interface 
between K3 and logger 32 as well as N1MM.
To work digital modes both logging programs are using the MMTTY / MMVARI  
modules for coding/decoding
This combination is working very well with FSK-D and CW but I also want to use 
PSK31-D. 
PSK31 is OK receiving using the microKeyer2 soundcard but on transmit I am only 
getting a carrier without any modulation.
Is there somebody out there using the same equipment who could give me some 
advice???
I know that I could use DATA A mode and use the soundcard in microkeyer2 to 
audio-modulate the carrier but I really want to use the direct
PSK31 mode in the K3 for several reassons.

Best 73 de Kurt/SM6BGG


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3

[Garry Shapiro]

I received over a dozen responses to my plea for help configuring PSK31. 
Some submitters sent multiple messages; some put forward their own 
(successful) approaches that do not employ the MicroHam MicroKeyer--I am 
quite aware that the MK is not essential, but it is helpful in my 
overall operating preference, which is heavily CW, RTTY, DXing and 
contesting. Some offered mini-tutorials. Most suggested using VOX in 
preference to PTT control. No one suggested using USB over DATA A. Some 
reminded me to use Main: Mic Sel = Line In; I am pretty sure that 
forgetting to do that was the reason why PSK31 had worked for me a few 
days before, but not since. There were reminders to select Use Voice 
Settings in the MK Router's Audio Switching tab. And I updated my MK 
Router to ver. 7.6.1.

Thank you all for the suggestions--I was successful this evening, using 
VOX, TX DATA, DATA A, Mic Sel=Line IN, and Voice Settings on the 
Router's Audio Switching tab. I had a nice ragchew with a fellow in 
Novato at 20W, and all now seems to work.

73,
Garry, NI6T


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Garry, 

I don't know about Ira's setup guide.  However the one I did 
based on Router 5 and has been available for a long time via 
"help | download documents" in Router and from the microHAM 
list on Yahoo was fully checked on my own microKEYER and K3.  

I have recently refreshed most of the example configurations 
to reflect Router 7.6.x. 

> Page 31of the K3 Owners Manual, under Data Mode Selection,
> suggests that soundcard-based data communications can utilize 
> either LSB/USB or DATA mode--in this case DATA A.

DATA A is far more convenient.  I would not even consider 
using USB/LSB unless the transceiver completely lacked a 
DATA mode (e.g., the Kenwood boxes). 

> The MK Router setup guide appeared to be incorrect for this
> approach, as follows. Step 3 instructed to assign the same 
> (virtual) port for PTT as for the Radio, but Ira instructed 
> instead to assign a separate virtual port, which was 
> necessary to place the Router in Voice mode during transmit 
> to allow keying the K3. 

PTT is not germane to any problems with PSK31 in MK.  

First, if DX4Win is configured properly to use "PTT Control" 
in PSK and CW it should use the CAT port DTR line.  I do that 
in all my configurations to minimize the number of virtual 
ports needed and reduce the operating resources needed.  It 
also helps with the "keep everything in the first 8 COM 
ports problem." 

Second when using "Line In" on the K3, microKEYER should be 
configured for audio switching "BBB" which does not change 
based on PTT.  In that case PTT is used only for PTT and 
not audio switching. 

> I regret that I find the Data Modes discussion in the K3
> manual to be thin and incomplete, and therefore confusing. 

Your issues are probably confined to the K3 set-up ... make 
sure you select "Line In" using the "mic sel" menu while 
you are in DATA A mode.  There is no substitute for understanding 
the OEM manual. 

73, 

   ... Joe Subich, W4TV 
   microHAM America 
   http://www.microHAM-USA.com 
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM 
   supp...@microham.com 
 
Note: the original copy of this response sent from microHAM 
  support includes a copy of the example configuration. 

  Unlike the meddling from W3FPR, the only issue is 
  probably in your configuration of the K3 Line In. 
  There is no reason to give up the other features of 
  microKEYER (including WinKey and automatic mic switching 
  and mic override of the soundcard in voice contesting) 
  simply because Don continues to trash microHAM products 
  used with Elecraft rigs. 
 



> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Garry Shapiro
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:55 AM
> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Cc: Joe Subich; Toby & Ira Stoler
> Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3
> 
> 
> I have spent considerable time trying to nail down PSK31 
> operation with 
> my K3. I have made some Q's, but questions remain.
> 
> My setup is a K3, MicroKeyer (Router 7.2.4) and DX4WIN 7.03. 
> I use the 
> AF4TY PSK app. included in DX4WIN. I have pestered Ira, K2RD who 
> recently co-rewrote the setup guide for MicroKeyer, and he has been 
> graciously helpful with my many MK issues in the past. What I 
> would like 
> is to reconcile what is in the K3 Owners Manual (rev. D5) 
> with what is 
> in the MicroKeyer (MK) setup guide, and to fully understand 
> and access 
> my data mode options.
> 
> Page 31of the K3 Owners Manual, under /Data Mode Selection, /suggests 
> that soundcard-based data communications can utilize either 
> LSB/USB or 
> DATA mode--in this case DATA A. (PSK D does not appear to be 
> relevant to 
> this discussion.) Tonight, with K2RD's help, I achieved 
> transmitted PSK 
> using USB mode. The MK Router setup guide appeared to be 
> incorrect for 
> this approach, as follows. Step 3 instructed to assign the /same 
> /(virtual) port for PTT as for the Radio, but Ira instructed 
> instead to 
> assign a /separate /virtual port, which was necessary to place the 
> Router in Voice mode during transmit to allow keying the K3. This 
> appears to be OK, but it will require some on-air operation 
> to verify. A 
> minor annoyance is the necessity to zero out Compression, which is 
> performed automatically in DATA A mode.
> 
> Several days earlier, I had managed to achieve PSK output 
> using  TX DATA 
> mode with DATA A mode--but I have been unable to duplicate 
> that success! 
> I believe I succeeded at that time by following the 
> instruction in Step 
> 3 of the MK Router setup guide to assign the /same /virtual port for 
> both PTT and the Radio

Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> 1. Re PTT: If you are using the same (virtual) port for PTT 
> as for radio control, then there are two issues you need to 
> be aware of: 

Not true.  microHAM interfaces provide the PTT signal on the 
mic cable or the rear panel PTT connection.  They DO NOT pass 
the DTR/RTS lines through to the K2 or K3.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ferch
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:32 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3
> 
> 
> Garry,
> 
> 1. Re PTT: If you are using the same (virtual) port for PTT 
> as for radio 
> control, then there are two issues you need to be aware of: 
> (i) the K3's 
> CONFIG:PTT-KEY must be set to RTS-OFF, not OFF-OFF - if it is set to 
> OFF-OFF, PTT will not work via this pathway; and (ii) some 
> digital-mode 
> software may not support this configuration. Using a separate virtual 
> port to control the PTT signal on the K3's ACC port should 
> work without 
> the need for any configuration setup in the K3, but of course your 
> software will have to be set up to use the correct port.
> 
> 2. If you have a configuration that works in USB, the identical 
> configuration should work in DATA A. The only catch I can think of at 
> the moment is that you should check the audio switching in 
> the Router to 
> make sure it is appropriate in both cases.
> 
> 3. For AFSK RTTY with MMTTY, you should really use AFSK A 
> mode, not DATA 
> A. If you use DATA A, you will have to set MMTTY to REV and the 
> frequency readout on the radio's dial will be incorrect. If 
> you select 
> Sound + Com-TxD(FSK) in MMTTY, you can switch seamlessly back 
> and forth 
> between AFSK A and FSK D without retuning or changing any 
> settings other 
> than the mode on the radio. I use such a setup, and the only 
> difference 
> I can see between AFSK A and FSK D is that my transmitted 
> signal appears 
> to be slightly cleaner in AFSK A.
> 
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
> 
> NI6T wrote:
> 
> > I have spent considerable time trying to nail down PSK31 operation 
> > with
> > my K3. I have made some Q's, but questions remain.
> > 
> > My setup is a K3, MicroKeyer (Router 7.2.4) and DX4WIN 
> 7.03. I use the
> > AF4TY PSK app. included in DX4WIN. I have pestered Ira, K2RD who 
> > recently co-rewrote the setup guide for MicroKeyer, and he has been 
> > graciously helpful with my many MK issues in the past. What 
> I would like 
> > is to reconcile what is in the K3 Owners Manual (rev. D5) 
> with what is 
> > in the MicroKeyer (MK) setup guide, and to fully understand 
> and access 
> > my data mode options.
> > 
> > Page 31of the K3 Owners Manual, under /Data Mode Selection, 
> /suggests
> > that soundcard-based data communications can utilize either 
> LSB/USB or 
> > DATA mode--in this case DATA A. (PSK D does not appear to 
> be relevant to 
> > this discussion.) Tonight, with K2RD's help, I achieved 
> transmitted PSK 
> > using USB mode. The MK Router setup guide appeared to be 
> incorrect for 
> > this approach, as follows. Step 3 instructed to assign the /same 
> > /(virtual) port for PTT as for the Radio, but Ira 
> instructed instead to 
> > assign a /separate /virtual port, which was necessary to place the 
> > Router in Voice mode during transmit to allow keying the K3. This 
> > appears to be OK, but it will require some on-air operation 
> to verify. A 
> > minor annoyance is the necessity to zero out Compression, which is 
> > performed automatically in DATA A mode.
> > 
> > Several days earlier, I had managed to achieve PSK output using  TX 
> > DATA
> > mode with DATA A mode--but I have been unable to duplicate 
> that success! 
> > I believe I succeeded at that time by following the 
> instruction in Step 
> > 3 of the MK Router setup guide to assign the /same /virtual 
> port for 
> > both PTT and the Radio, but now the MK remains in Digital 
> mode and there 
> > is no output when TX mode is initiated.
> > 
> > I would like to use DATA A mode so as not to have to 
> remember to zero
> > the Compression and would also like the option to use AFSK 
> RTTY, which 
> > would also require DATA A. (For RTTY, I have avoided this 
> issue by using 
> > FSK with MMTTY, and I have so far had no interest in text decoding.)
> > 
> > I regret that I find the Data Modes discussion in the K3 
> manual to be

Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3

[Alan D. Wilcox]

Garry,

By way of "filling in the holes" as you said:
A couple years ago I wrote about setting up my K3 for PSK31. See
http://wilcoxengineering.com/projects/amateur-projects/24-configure-the-k3-for-psk31

One of these days I need to revisit the whole issue. In my spare time! hi.

73, Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701


Garry Shapiro wrote:
I have spent considerable time trying to nail down PSK31 operation with 
my K3. I have made some Q's, but questions remain.


My setup is a K3, MicroKeyer (Router 7.2.4) and DX4WIN 7.03. I use the 
AF4TY PSK app. included in DX4WIN. I have pestered Ira, K2RD who 
recently co-rewrote the setup guide for MicroKeyer, and he has been 
graciously helpful with my many MK issues in the past. What I would like 
is to reconcile what is in the K3 Owners Manual (rev. D5) with what is 
in the MicroKeyer (MK) setup guide, and to fully understand and access 
my data mode options.


Page 31of the K3 Owners Manual, under /Data Mode Selection, /suggests 
that soundcard-based data communications can utilize either LSB/USB or 
DATA mode--in this case DATA A. (PSK D does not appear to be relevant to 
this discussion.) Tonight, with K2RD's help, I achieved transmitted PSK 
using USB mode. The MK Router setup guide appeared to be incorrect for 
this approach, as follows. Step 3 instructed to assign the /same 
/(virtual) port for PTT as for the Radio, but Ira instructed instead to 
assign a /separate /virtual port, which was necessary to place the 
Router in Voice mode during transmit to allow keying the K3. This 
appears to be OK, but it will require some on-air operation to verify. A 
minor annoyance is the necessity to zero out Compression, which is 
performed automatically in DATA A mode.


Several days earlier, I had managed to achieve PSK output using  TX DATA 
mode with DATA A mode--but I have been unable to duplicate that success! 
I believe I succeeded at that time by following the instruction in Step 
3 of the MK Router setup guide to assign the /same /virtual port for 
both PTT and the Radio, but now the MK remains in Digital mode and there 
is no output when TX mode is initiated.


I would like to use DATA A mode so as not to have to remember to zero 
the Compression and would also like the option to use AFSK RTTY, which 
would also require DATA A. (For RTTY, I have avoided this issue by using 
FSK with MMTTY, and I have so far had no interest in text decoding.)


I regret that I find the Data Modes discussion in the K3 manual to be 
thin and incomplete, and therefore confusing.


I am sure this audience can fill in the holes.

Garry, NI6T


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3

[Richard Ferch]

Garry,

1. Re PTT: If you are using the same (virtual) port for PTT as for radio 
control, then there are two issues you need to be aware of: (i) the K3's 
CONFIG:PTT-KEY must be set to RTS-OFF, not OFF-OFF - if it is set to 
OFF-OFF, PTT will not work via this pathway; and (ii) some digital-mode 
software may not support this configuration. Using a separate virtual 
port to control the PTT signal on the K3's ACC port should work without 
the need for any configuration setup in the K3, but of course your 
software will have to be set up to use the correct port.

2. If you have a configuration that works in USB, the identical 
configuration should work in DATA A. The only catch I can think of at 
the moment is that you should check the audio switching in the Router to 
make sure it is appropriate in both cases.

3. For AFSK RTTY with MMTTY, you should really use AFSK A mode, not DATA 
A. If you use DATA A, you will have to set MMTTY to REV and the 
frequency readout on the radio's dial will be incorrect. If you select 
Sound + Com-TxD(FSK) in MMTTY, you can switch seamlessly back and forth 
between AFSK A and FSK D without retuning or changing any settings other 
than the mode on the radio. I use such a setup, and the only difference 
I can see between AFSK A and FSK D is that my transmitted signal appears 
to be slightly cleaner in AFSK A.

73,
Rich VE3KI

NI6T wrote:

> I have spent considerable time trying to nail down PSK31 operation with 
> my K3. I have made some Q's, but questions remain.
> 
> My setup is a K3, MicroKeyer (Router 7.2.4) and DX4WIN 7.03. I use the 
> AF4TY PSK app. included in DX4WIN. I have pestered Ira, K2RD who 
> recently co-rewrote the setup guide for MicroKeyer, and he has been 
> graciously helpful with my many MK issues in the past. What I would like 
> is to reconcile what is in the K3 Owners Manual (rev. D5) with what is 
> in the MicroKeyer (MK) setup guide, and to fully understand and access 
> my data mode options.
> 
> Page 31of the K3 Owners Manual, under /Data Mode Selection, /suggests 
> that soundcard-based data communications can utilize either LSB/USB or 
> DATA mode--in this case DATA A. (PSK D does not appear to be relevant to 
> this discussion.) Tonight, with K2RD's help, I achieved transmitted PSK 
> using USB mode. The MK Router setup guide appeared to be incorrect for 
> this approach, as follows. Step 3 instructed to assign the /same 
> /(virtual) port for PTT as for the Radio, but Ira instructed instead to 
> assign a /separate /virtual port, which was necessary to place the 
> Router in Voice mode during transmit to allow keying the K3. This 
> appears to be OK, but it will require some on-air operation to verify. A 
> minor annoyance is the necessity to zero out Compression, which is 
> performed automatically in DATA A mode.
> 
> Several days earlier, I had managed to achieve PSK output using  TX DATA 
> mode with DATA A mode--but I have been unable to duplicate that success! 
> I believe I succeeded at that time by following the instruction in Step 
> 3 of the MK Router setup guide to assign the /same /virtual port for 
> both PTT and the Radio, but now the MK remains in Digital mode and there 
> is no output when TX mode is initiated.
> 
> I would like to use DATA A mode so as not to have to remember to zero 
> the Compression and would also like the option to use AFSK RTTY, which 
> would also require DATA A. (For RTTY, I have avoided this issue by using 
> FSK with MMTTY, and I have so far had no interest in text decoding.)
> 
> I regret that I find the Data Modes discussion in the K3 manual to be 
> thin and incomplete, and therefore confusing.
> 
> I am sure this audience can fill in the holes.
> 
> Garry, NI6T

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3

[Don Wilhelm]

Gerry,

I believe the inclusion of the MicroHam interface and Router is 
complicating the K3 data modes operation for you.
If your only use of the MicroHam interface is to use data modes on the 
K3, then I suggest you eliminate it from the setup.

You may perceive the K3 setup for data modes as "thin", but there 
really  is not much required to say for the K3 itself.
The K3 contains all that is necessary with no interface required - 
isolation is included inside the K3.  Just connect your computer 
soundcard line in and line out jacks to the K3 line-out and line-in 
jacks.  Two cables with 3.5mm stereo jacks on each end are all that are 
required.  In DATA mode on the K3, select Line In in the MIC SEL menu 
and you should be good to go.

You may operate with the K3 in VOX and it will work FB.  If you choose 
to use PTT, you will also need a serial cable from the computer to the 
K3 RS-232 connector.  Then check your application to see how it asserts 
PTT and set the CONFIG: PTT--KEY menu parameter to match whichever pin 
your application is using.  Ham Radio Deluxe/DM780 can activate transmit 
using commands to the K3 in the serial data stream,

73,
Don W3FPR


Garry Shapiro wrote:
> I have spent considerable time trying to nail down PSK31 operation with 
> my K3. I have made some Q's, but questions remain.
>
>
> I would like to use DATA A mode so as not to have to remember to zero 
> the Compression and would also like the option to use AFSK RTTY, which 
> would also require DATA A. (For RTTY, I have avoided this issue by using 
> FSK with MMTTY, and I have so far had no interest in text decoding.)
>
> I regret that I find the Data Modes discussion in the K3 manual to be 
> thin and incomplete, and therefore confusing.
>
> I am sure this audience can fill in the holes.
>
> Garry, NI6T
>   
>
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[Elecraft] PSK31 on my K3

[Garry Shapiro]

I have spent considerable time trying to nail down PSK31 operation with 
my K3. I have made some Q's, but questions remain.

My setup is a K3, MicroKeyer (Router 7.2.4) and DX4WIN 7.03. I use the 
AF4TY PSK app. included in DX4WIN. I have pestered Ira, K2RD who 
recently co-rewrote the setup guide for MicroKeyer, and he has been 
graciously helpful with my many MK issues in the past. What I would like 
is to reconcile what is in the K3 Owners Manual (rev. D5) with what is 
in the MicroKeyer (MK) setup guide, and to fully understand and access 
my data mode options.

Page 31of the K3 Owners Manual, under /Data Mode Selection, /suggests 
that soundcard-based data communications can utilize either LSB/USB or 
DATA mode--in this case DATA A. (PSK D does not appear to be relevant to 
this discussion.) Tonight, with K2RD's help, I achieved transmitted PSK 
using USB mode. The MK Router setup guide appeared to be incorrect for 
this approach, as follows. Step 3 instructed to assign the /same 
/(virtual) port for PTT as for the Radio, but Ira instructed instead to 
assign a /separate /virtual port, which was necessary to place the 
Router in Voice mode during transmit to allow keying the K3. This 
appears to be OK, but it will require some on-air operation to verify. A 
minor annoyance is the necessity to zero out Compression, which is 
performed automatically in DATA A mode.

Several days earlier, I had managed to achieve PSK output using  TX DATA 
mode with DATA A mode--but I have been unable to duplicate that success! 
I believe I succeeded at that time by following the instruction in Step 
3 of the MK Router setup guide to assign the /same /virtual port for 
both PTT and the Radio, but now the MK remains in Digital mode and there 
is no output when TX mode is initiated.

I would like to use DATA A mode so as not to have to remember to zero 
the Compression and would also like the option to use AFSK RTTY, which 
would also require DATA A. (For RTTY, I have avoided this issue by using 
FSK with MMTTY, and I have so far had no interest in text decoding.)

I regret that I find the Data Modes discussion in the K3 manual to be 
thin and incomplete, and therefore confusing.

I am sure this audience can fill in the holes.

Garry, NI6T


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[Elecraft] PSK31

[Richard Thorpe]

Thanks to all out there who suggested choices for PSK decode on my  
Power PC Mac.

R Thorpe KD6LAZ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31

[WW2PT]

I will second (er, fourth...?) the props for CocoaModem. I still opt  
for Windows for my digital activities simply because I have an old  
Dell box that I was able to dedicate to the task and I just love HRD/ 
DM780 as a complete package for logging, rig control and digital ops.  
But I downloaded CocoaModem to give it a try and upon launching it for  
the first time I found it decoding PSK31 signals 100% equal to DM780  
without even connecting it to the Mac -- it was picking up the audio  
from my speakers through the mic input and matching DM780 output word  
for word!

Also: if you have a newer Intel-based Mac, you might consider running  
HRD/DM780 or any other Windows digital modes app on the Mac using  
Parallels or VMWare Fusion. I had HRD/DM780 running on my MacBook Pro  
under Parallels and it worked perfectly. I only opted for a dedicated  
PC because, A) I had one available, and B) my MacBook Pro is my work  
machine and I don't want it tied up during the day for non-wealth  
generating purposes.

73,
Paul WW2PT



On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Richard Thorpe wrote:

> I'm using  "MultiMode" with my Mac and K3 to decode PSK31.  I cannot
> get enough level out of the "stereo out" on the K3 to get a good
> decode, even though I adjust in software on the K3.  What am I doing
> wrong?  The Mackintosh platform is limited when it comes to radio
> software. Are there any other choices?
>
> R Thorpe KD6LAZ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31

[Joe Planisky]

Hi Richard,

Others have already mentioned cocoaModem.  Fldigi also runs on the Mac.

Fldigi supports a few less commonly used modes that cocoaModem doesn't  
(Olivia, MT-63, Thor, Throb).  cocoaModem supports HF-FAX and SITOR-B  
reception which fldigi doesn't.

I find Fldigi easier to use for day-to-day QSOs. I think cocoaModem  
sometimes does a better job decoding weak signals.

Fldigi doesn't look very "Mac-like" since it's a port of a Linux  
application, whereas cocoaModem is a native Cocoa app and so looks  
right at home on the Mac.

Give both a try and see which one you prefer.

http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html

73
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On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Richard Thorpe wrote:

> The Mackintosh platform is limited when it comes to radio
> software. Are there any other choices?
>
> R Thorpe KD6LAZ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

You should be able to increase the input gain in your 
soundcard in order to make Multimode decode correctly. 
The K3 has more than adequate level even with Line Out 
= 10 to drive most quality soundcards at input gain
around 50%.  

In any case, cocoaModem is a much superior digital 
application - and it's free.  The author is among the 
few who really understand the behavior of digital signals 
on HF/MF paths.  See: 
http://homepage.mac.com/chen/w7ay/cocoaModem/index.html 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



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> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Thorpe
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31
> 
> 
> I'm using  "MultiMode" with my Mac and K3 to decode PSK31.  I cannot  
> get enough level out of the "stereo out" on the K3 to get a good  
> decode, even though I adjust in software on the K3.  What am I doing  
> wrong?  The Mackintosh platform is limited when it comes to radio  
> software. Are there any other choices?
> 
> R Thorpe KD6LAZ 

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31

[David Fleming]

I'll second that! Cocoamodem is the best decoder solution out there IMO..

David, W4SMT

--- On Fri, 12/11/09, WA6L  wrote:

> From: WA6L 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PSK31
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:53 PM
> 
> 
> Though I am not sure it will solve your problem, you may
> want to try
> Cocoamodem software.  IMHO it is superior to MultiMode
> and is free.  
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/chen/w7ay/cocoaModem/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm using  "MultiMode" with my Mac and K3 to decode
> PSK31.  I cannot  
> get enough level out of the "stereo out" on the K3 to get a
> good  
> decode, even though I adjust in software on the K3. 
> What am I doing  
> wrong?  The Mackintosh platform is limited when it
> comes to radio  
> software. Are there any other choices?
> 
> R Thorpe KD6LAZ
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31

[WA6L]

Though I am not sure it will solve your problem, you may want to try
Cocoamodem software.  IMHO it is superior to MultiMode and is free.  

http://homepage.mac.com/chen/w7ay/cocoaModem/index.html




I'm using  "MultiMode" with my Mac and K3 to decode PSK31.  I cannot  
get enough level out of the "stereo out" on the K3 to get a good  
decode, even though I adjust in software on the K3.  What am I doing  
wrong?  The Mackintosh platform is limited when it comes to radio  
software. Are there any other choices?

R Thorpe KD6LAZ

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[Elecraft] PSK31

[Richard Thorpe]

I'm using  "MultiMode" with my Mac and K3 to decode PSK31.  I cannot  
get enough level out of the "stereo out" on the K3 to get a good  
decode, even though I adjust in software on the K3.  What am I doing  
wrong?  The Mackintosh platform is limited when it comes to radio  
software. Are there any other choices?

R Thorpe KD6LAZ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K-3

[Thomas J. Hoedjes]

hi there

I am using a microkeyer with an internal
soundcard..
does a great job..

73 de Tom

>
Ron, 
> 
> May I suggest a USB soundcard? The EMU 0202 is
a good one. That will 
> free up your internal soundcard for other
things (like Skype). 
> 
> 73, 
> Don W3FPR 
> 
> Ron Midwin wrote: 
>> OK I finally got my
computer hooked up thru the mic in / headphones jack 
>> with
1/8 inch stereo cables connected to the line in/out on the K-3, and 
>> have it working... 
>> 
>> I also have
the USB/serial adapter connected. With this setup, I am 
>>
using 
>> HRD and Digital Master 780 successfully. 
>> 
>> Is there a more elegant way to accomplish PSK31
on my K-3? My PC is a 
>> HP 
>> Laptop running
Vista. This setup kills my computer for Skype, since it 
>>
ties 
>> up the internal soundcard. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K-3

[Greg - AB7R]

PSK-D does NOT work with the FSK pins on the ACCY connector.  PSK-D works with 
paddle 
input and ascii input from a terminal, such as the terminal tab of the K3 
Utility 
program.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Tue Apr 14 11:58 , Iain MacDonnell - N6ML  sent:

>
>
>Ron Midwin wrote:
>> OK I finally got my computer hooked up thru the mic in / headphones jack
>> with 1/8 inch stereo cables connected to the line in/out on the K-3, and
>> have it working...
>> 
>> I also have the USB/serial adapter connected.  With this setup, I am using
>> HRD and Digital Master 780 successfully.
>> 
>> Is there a more elegant way to accomplish PSK31 on my K-3?  My PC is a HP
>> Laptop running Vista.  This setup kills my computer for Skype, since it ties
>> up the internal soundcard.  
>
>You could get a USB audio device and dedicate it to the radio interface,
>or(/and) get a USB headset to use with Skype.
>
>EMU-0202 is overkill for PSK, IMO - you should be able to find something
>for a fraction of the cost that'd perform fine. You don't need 192kHz
>sampling for this application ;)
>
>There is a "PSK D" mode too, which supposedly allows PSK input via the
>FSK pin on the accessory port, but I haven't tried that (or thought
>through how it'd work).
>
> ~Iain / N6ML
>
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K-3

[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

Oops .. sorry about the QLF ... I decided to change wording after
checking the latest PDF manual from the website, but forgot to delete
the old text!

So, yeah, the latest manual still implies that FSK IN works for PSK D.

 ~Iain


Iain MacDonnell - N6ML wrote:
> 
> Well then the manual (admittly not the latest version) that I have is
> wrong.
> 
> Someone should fix the manual then, cos it says (page 31):
> 
>> PSK D is a Direct-transmit mode for PSK31. It’s the only mode that 
>> decodes and displays PSK31 signals with the text decoder (pg. 33). 
>> Like FSK D, PSK D lets you transmit via FSK IN, ASCII, or the keyer 
>> paddle (pg. 34). You can also use auto-spot with PSK D if the tuning 
>> aid is displayed (CWT, pg. 34). 
> 
> ~Iain / N6ML
> 
> 
> 
> Greg - AB7R wrote:
>> PSK-D does NOT work with the FSK pins on the ACCY connector.  PSK-D 
>> works with paddle input and ascii input from a terminal, such as the 
>> terminal tab of the K3 Utility program.
>>
>>
>> -
>> 73,
>> Greg - AB7R
>> Whidbey Island WA
>> NA-065
>>
>>
>> On Tue Apr 14 11:58 , Iain MacDonnell - N6ML  sent:
>>
>>>
>>> Ron Midwin wrote:
 OK I finally got my computer hooked up thru the mic in / headphones 
 jack
 with 1/8 inch stereo cables connected to the line in/out on the K-3, 
 and
 have it working...

 I also have the USB/serial adapter connected.  With this setup, I am 
 using
 HRD and Digital Master 780 successfully.

 Is there a more elegant way to accomplish PSK31 on my K-3?  My PC is 
 a HP
 Laptop running Vista.  This setup kills my computer for Skype, since 
 it ties
 up the internal soundcard.  
>>> You could get a USB audio device and dedicate it to the radio interface,
>>> or(/and) get a USB headset to use with Skype.
>>>
>>> EMU-0202 is overkill for PSK, IMO - you should be able to find something
>>> for a fraction of the cost that'd perform fine. You don't need 192kHz
>>> sampling for this application ;)
>>>
>>> There is a "PSK D" mode too, which supposedly allows PSK input via the
>>> FSK pin on the accessory port, but I haven't tried that (or thought
>>> through how it'd work).
>>>
>>> ~Iain / N6ML
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K-3

[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

Well then the manual (admittly not the latest version) that I have is
wrong.

Someone should fix the manual then, cos it says (page 31):

> PSK D is a Direct-transmit mode for PSK31. 
> It’s the only mode that decodes and displays 
> PSK31 signals with the text decoder (pg. 33). 
> Like FSK D, PSK D lets you transmit via 
> FSK IN, ASCII, or the keyer paddle (pg. 34). 
> You can also use auto-spot with PSK D if the 
> tuning aid is displayed (CWT, pg. 34). 

 ~Iain / N6ML



Greg - AB7R wrote:
> PSK-D does NOT work with the FSK pins on the ACCY connector.  PSK-D works 
> with paddle 
> input and ascii input from a terminal, such as the terminal tab of the K3 
> Utility 
> program.
> 
> 
> -
> 73,
> Greg - AB7R
> Whidbey Island WA
> NA-065
> 
> 
> On Tue Apr 14 11:58 , Iain MacDonnell - N6ML  sent:
> 
>>
>> Ron Midwin wrote:
>>> OK I finally got my computer hooked up thru the mic in / headphones jack
>>> with 1/8 inch stereo cables connected to the line in/out on the K-3, and
>>> have it working...
>>>
>>> I also have the USB/serial adapter connected.  With this setup, I am using
>>> HRD and Digital Master 780 successfully.
>>>
>>> Is there a more elegant way to accomplish PSK31 on my K-3?  My PC is a HP
>>> Laptop running Vista.  This setup kills my computer for Skype, since it ties
>>> up the internal soundcard.  
>> You could get a USB audio device and dedicate it to the radio interface,
>> or(/and) get a USB headset to use with Skype.
>>
>> EMU-0202 is overkill for PSK, IMO - you should be able to find something
>> for a fraction of the cost that'd perform fine. You don't need 192kHz
>> sampling for this application ;)
>>
>> There is a "PSK D" mode too, which supposedly allows PSK input via the
>> FSK pin on the accessory port, but I haven't tried that (or thought
>> through how it'd work).
>>
>> ~Iain / N6ML
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K-3

[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

Ron Midwin wrote:
> OK I finally got my computer hooked up thru the mic in / headphones jack
> with 1/8 inch stereo cables connected to the line in/out on the K-3, and
> have it working...
> 
> I also have the USB/serial adapter connected.  With this setup, I am using
> HRD and Digital Master 780 successfully.
> 
> Is there a more elegant way to accomplish PSK31 on my K-3?  My PC is a HP
> Laptop running Vista.  This setup kills my computer for Skype, since it ties
> up the internal soundcard.  

You could get a USB audio device and dedicate it to the radio interface,
or(/and) get a USB headset to use with Skype.

EMU-0202 is overkill for PSK, IMO - you should be able to find something
for a fraction of the cost that'd perform fine. You don't need 192kHz
sampling for this application ;)

There is a "PSK D" mode too, which supposedly allows PSK input via the
FSK pin on the accessory port, but I haven't tried that (or thought
through how it'd work).

 ~Iain / N6ML



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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K-3

[Lyle Johnson]

> Is there a more elegant way to accomplish PSK31 on my K-3?  My PC is a HP
> Laptop running Vista.  This setup kills my computer for Skype, since it ties
> up the internal soundcard.  

To run Skype and PSK31 *simultaneously* you'll need a second soundcard 
on your computer.

There are lots of choices if you want to add a card for the K3.  I've 
had good luck with the SignaLink USB product.  I normally use a 
RigExpertPlus for my K3 for serial port, audio, FSK etc.  I know others 
have had excellent results with MicroHAM's products as well as the US 
Interface Navigator.

If you can find one, a Creative Labs MP+ is a USB soundcard that used to 
sell refurbished for $19.  I've used one of these and it works very well.

I've successfully avoided Vista here so I can't comment on drivers for 
any of the above.


YMMV

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K-3

[Don Wilhelm]

Ron,

May I suggest a USB soundcard?  The EMU 0202 is a good one.  That will 
free up your internal soundcard for other things (like Skype).

73,
Don W3FPR

Ron Midwin wrote:
> OK I finally got my computer hooked up thru the mic in / headphones jack
> with 1/8 inch stereo cables connected to the line in/out on the K-3, and
> have it working...
>
> I also have the USB/serial adapter connected.  With this setup, I am using
> HRD and Digital Master 780 successfully.
>
> Is there a more elegant way to accomplish PSK31 on my K-3?  My PC is a HP
> Laptop running Vista.  This setup kills my computer for Skype, since it ties
> up the internal soundcard.  
>   
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