Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October22)
Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, he said. Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. It would be nice to get some innovation. 1. Notice he said it was expensive but did not deign to compare prices. 2. chuckle So? ;-) Windows is an Apple clone. Hmmm... correct me if I am wrong because I am not sure about this but didn't X-Window exist before the GUI Windows? 3. Innovation, huh? I think MPI and PVM (top two high-performance parallel processing methods for C++) are both originally Unix/Linux inventions. Anyway, he obviously doesn't know about the innovations of Linux. OpenMOSIX (process level clustering that works on any old Unix process) is a chief example. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wish for 9.1
The point was that they did away with the extra functionality that made it a really useful tool in it's own right, i.e. the ability to search ANY documentation. James Sparenberg wrote: KHelpCenter is now a part of kdebase. If you click on help in any KDE app it will open the KHelpCenter. Or if you enter khelpcenter at the command line. On the menu if you go to what to do then Read Documentation then Read KDE Documentation you'll open it up that way. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Server shuts down
My server shuts down (or perhaps goes to sleep and doesn't wake?) after being left for a while. This occurs apparently at random. Now I do have the Diamond Savage card in that machine which has had shutdown issues as mentioned in errata but the measures mentioned on the sight have not fixed the problem. Clue anybody? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
Somehow I think he is referring to more 'apparant' innovations than back room stuff - such as applications and interfaces - more on the consumer level or what the business customer would see - and I have to say that while MS is not known for honest practices or using it's own ideas - it certainly markets them more and listens more to the customers than the *nix world does (even if MS just tells people what they want to here - it is still marketing). The average consumer or end user would have absolutely no idea what you are referring to - and they are the ones that fund development - the sad reality is that money has to come from somewhere and consumers and stock holders are normally the providers of those funds. -Original Message- From: Jim C [mailto:jcllings;tsunamicomm.net] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22) Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, he said. Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. It would be nice to get some innovation. 1. Notice he said it was expensive but did not deign to compare prices. 2. chuckle So? ;-) Windows is an Apple clone. Hmmm... correct me if I am wrong because I am not sure about this but didn't X-Window exist before the GUI Windows? 3. Innovation, huh? I think MPI and PVM (top two high-performance parallel processing methods for C++) are both originally Unix/Linux inventions. Anyway, he obviously doesn't know about the innovations of Linux. OpenMOSIX (process level clustering that works on any old Unix process) is a chief example. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] autofs not unmounting
I tried the below On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 06:10, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Milos Prudek wrote: Hi, I was looking forward to use supermount but it does not work very well in Mandrake 9.0. Details in separate post. So I tried autofs. Autofs in Mandrake 9.0 mounts drives automatically, but does not unmount them when timeout expires. They must by umounted manually. auto.master: /mnt/etc/auto.drives --timeout=20 Ignore bropken man pages and do this: Did this for auto.master /mnt/etc/auto.drives --timeout 20 the = doesn't work. use a space. I have over 20 linux workstations with autofs working fine. Took awile to track down this problem. Did this for auto.drive auto.drives: cdrom -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom floppy -fstype=auto,user,rw:/dev/fd0 Started autofs and all the mount points under /mnt had disappeared making it impossible to go to say the cdrom using mc. Also is there a fix for the cdrom and floppy icons on the desktop to work? Currently got everything back on manual mounting. Gary. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
How expensive is USD 10 for standard version which is what most computer users will need ? Even the commercial version of Linux is cheaper than Windows, and this also depend on which MS we are talking about .Linux no innovation ?Well, maybe because there is too much innovation already build in that the Linux world have to think for new ideas .The funny thing is that Microsoft who said so much about innovation is now using OpenGL for its games , so why not DirectX ? why? Choong -Original Message- From: Jim C [mailto:jcllings;tsunamicomm.net] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22) Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, he said. Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. It would be nice to get some innovation. __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Spam Assassin
What we need is to have a rule in the firewall that sends all mail messages to a spam assassin only server that filters it and then sends it to the mail servers, webmail and exchange. Webmail is for students but it contains all email addresses and forwards ones that are exchange accounts to the exchange servers. So here is what we need Mail \/ Firewall \/ spam assassin \/\/ webmailexchange \/ exchange thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Vox [mailto:vox;gnulinux.org.mx] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Spam Assassin This time Brian York [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: Who has experience with spam assassin? I've been using it for a few months, but.. Can it be setup as a passthough server or does it have to be used on the actual mail server. I have no clue what you mean by passthrough server in this context...could you be a bit more explicit? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
h, microsoft apparently thinks its innovative to buy software companies with software they couldn't write themselves... strange... Also, considering neither DOS or a GUI were microsoft ideas.. and that win2000 and XP contain alot of commands that relate back to unix versions.. and in fact have adopted many ideas from the unix world.. they too are cloning unix.. they just made the GUI compulsory. they seem to do alot of cloning themselves... Also, I read something interesting last night... Microsoft apparently did not invent the truetype font (TTF) Apple was the company that did all the innovation for the fonts.. both Adobe and M$ seem to get alot of the credit for the current state of font design.. but it was apple that did all the work... (getting none of the credit) I think Apple is the only company that can really claim to be constantly innovating. (that said, I don't even use apples.) my source for that is PCA (PC Authority mag) Talk about pathetic wankers... They can't seem to stand the idea that one day they might have to compete from a level perspective. regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:expert-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22) How expensive is USD 10 for standard version which is what most computer users will need ? Even the commercial version of Linux is cheaper than Windows, and this also depend on which MS we are talking about .Linux no innovation ?Well, maybe because there is too much innovation already build in that the Linux world have to think for new ideas .The funny thing is that Microsoft who said so much about innovation is now using OpenGL for its games , so why not DirectX ? why? Choong -Original Message- From: Jim C [mailto:jcllings;tsunamicomm.net] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22) Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, he said. Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. It would be nice to get some innovation. __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake 9.0 goes instantly to suspend mode every 10 min!
It is not an SMP machine for sure, the mainboard is Gigabyte 7VXH something with network interface and sound card. The processor is AMD Athlon 1500+ it seems that many people get that warning io-apic but I cannot understand why somehow the kernel is getting confused with SMP flags. Do you think that the dual bios feature of the mainboard is responsible but this is common to all gigabyte ones ... I might have to compile the kernel on my own then or use 2.5. ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Panagiotis Melas wrote: |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | |Panagiotis Melas wrote: | || Hello, || || I've posted the same problem before few weeks ago but none of the | |It is not easy to describe, it is very similar like doing apm -s (suspend) |every 10 min on a desktop i.e. X-windows disapear I guess it goes into text |mode and then goes completely blank and then it comes up. In total it takes 3-4 |seconds. From the computer box I can hear a characteristic noise (a relay?) |when it changes mode from graphs to text mode... | | |I had uninstalled all apm and xscreensaver packages, login in safe mode or |text mode or GNOME, blackbox, etc with no success so far. Screensavers are |configured to run every 5 min and apm if that runs every 15 min. | |If apmd is not running the only log message I get is that of the network |card only, when apmd is running I get more messages indicating that there is a |suspend mode as you saw in the previous e-mail. | |I suspect there is something wrong with the kernel itself that causes that |at least for my h/w? but as I told you Mandrake 8.2 was running without this |problem. | |Is there anyway to get more information? | |Panos I admit to not following your messages fully so with that in mind... You appear to be running a motherboard with SMP, 1. Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.1 Virtual Wire compatibility mode. However your messages indicate only a single processor kernel in being installed. 2. Linux version 2.4.19-16mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)) #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002 You also have an error for your APIC: 3. WARNING: unexpected IO-APIC, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for the program 'apm', if you are running a SMP system then you should not have this program. Normally the SMP kernel will disable this when booting. I have also problems with the SMP kernel and a TB Santa Cruz sound card I'm working on which was running flawless under ML 8.2. Something is quite different in ML 9.0. Can you post your system hardware. Larry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9uDGpGmoP0nUBNzsRAuCFAJ0Sfhpd5OfWm2vw1mUCAMewhirspACfZpaw ZnVSWq3Dc/pW0MxecK+6PWM= =7cyK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- P. Melas [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
021024 Jim C wrote: Hmmm... correct me if I am wrong because I am not sure about this but didn't X-Window exist before the GUI Windows? yes, long before: it came out of Bell Labs, like most IT innovations. Apple put it into the consumer market with the Mac, which M$ then belatedly imitated faced a lawsuit over. Ballmer is doing the standard Big Lie: attribute to your enemy the very vices or crimes you are guilty of yourself. He wasn't democratically elected, he's been cracking down on opposition, he's got an overwhelming arsenal of weapons of mass destruction can't stop trying to obtain more, he keeps threatening other countries: now who does that make you think of, if you don't live in the USA? Linux the other free software developers are the termites who are eating away at the foundations of the tyrant's palace, which will one day crumble to dust: Shelley wrote a poem re it (Ozymandias). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake 9.0 screen shots ????
Well i checked screen shoots on mandrake site displaying diffrent screen shots ... but when i install mandrake 9 its was totally diffrent ? wat is the version of KDE in default madrake 9 ? do i need to install anything else for thats cool new look of kde ? also does openoffice come with mandrake ? or should i install it sepratly .. its shows in screen shots thanks = *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] RH 8.0 memory leak? MDK 9.0 ok?
Hi List! Sorry if my question may concern more about RH 8.0 than MDK 9.0 but I'm trying to antecipate any problem. I use MDK and no questions about that, however I was not successful in evangelising others to use MDK so I still have friends using RH, and now one is having problem: Using a program in a window terminal it writes in memory but the window is not reseting memory so it fill the whole memory (Ram and swap) crashing the process. She read something elsewhere and concluded that it is memory leak and maybe a kernel problem. Despite of being a problem wiht RH 8.0, could someone give us some light about this question? Did MDK have any report about it in the past? Below follow her original e-mail in spanish. -- Oi Alan, (esto viene en español) ya se cual es el problema, creo (acho), imagino que es un bugg del RedHat para dejarte (vc ficar) contento. No está reseteando la memoria que asigna a las ventanas (janelas) y va acumulando hasta (até) que no consigue sostenerlas (sustentarlas) más y acaba teniendo que hacer (fazer) uso de la memoria extra de disco, hasta que se cuelga. Creo que se llama memory leak. No tiene dada que ver con el GMX. Es um problema probablemente del Kernel del RedHat. Esta mañana bajamos una versión actualizada de la red, pero no sirvió de nada (adiantó). Obrigada mais uma vez pela tua preocupação, mas no vejo solução por enquanto... Beijinho, Alicia -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] bogofilter [was: Spam Assassin]
At 12:47 PM 10/23/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Brian York wrote: Who has experience with spam assassin? Can it be setup as a passthough server or does it have to be used on the actual mail server. Brian, You might also find bogofilter to be of interest. Its a fast, adaptive filter that you train with _your_ email so that it recognizes the words in the spam that _you_ receive. It can be used in a variety of ways, for example through procmail recipes or as a postfix content filter. See http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/bogofilter-faq.html for more info. David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RH 8.0 memory leak? MDK 9.0 ok?
On Friday 25 October 2002 08:00 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: RH, and now one is having problem: Using a program in a window terminal it writes in memory but the window is not reseting memory so it fill the whole memory (Ram and swap) crashing the process. She read something elsewhere and concluded that it is memory leak and maybe a kernel problem. I think for anyone to respond to that, we need some more info on the specific program she was using. -- /g ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] wireless wlan-ng drivers? Any success anyone?
On Thursday 24 October 2002 08:24 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: Mcleod, Ian wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 10:39:36AM +1000 : Has anyone had any success installing the wlan-ng drivers on Mandrake 9.0? Apparantly they provide much much more functionality than the default Mandrake 9.0 wireless drivers for PRISM2 based wireless cards. What version is the one you are working with? Mandrake currently has 0.1.14 in contribs for Cooker. I can't speak to 9.0 but I've been using the linux-wlan-ng drivers since 8.1. I usually download and build the tarball version. They work fine for my prism2 cards. I also use kismet and other such tools without problem. The cooker rpms SHOULD work (though they may not necessarily be built to support monitor mode which is what is needed to run kismet and other such tools. There are dependencies to be met before building the driver if you wish to have full capabilities. praedor -- Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor...the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all their rights unto the leader and gladly so. --unknown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Root login timeout
hi gary not sure what is really happening on your system. i dont have a serial dumb terminal to simulate it. but maybe i can help you troubleshoot whats causing it. and i think it has nothing to do with agetty since you already passed stage after you logged in. the problem could be some setting after you logged in. does the logging out only happen to root user? are you logged-out by the system even if you dont run the menu script you mentioned? have you checked that menu script whether it has a timeout set? hth dianne --- Gary Hodder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dianne, I have checked checked bash --verbose and TMOUT=0 The timeout only happens on the dumb terminal plugged in via a serial port and not on the console. Have tried adding a long timeout on the agetty command line in inattab with no luck. What else can I try? Thanks Gary. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RH 8.0 memory leak? MDK 9.0 ok?
Thank you very much for your attention. I asked her about that. She's running gromacs (www.gromacs.org), a programme for molecular dynamics. I asked for the commands lines she's executing, but she didn't send me it yet. Anyway, my hope is if someone maybe had listen something about it and could point me to some site or so where I could read more, well... Maybe only when I meet her I can get inside the real problem. Thanks once more anyway. On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Gregory K. Meyer wrote: On Friday 25 October 2002 08:00 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: RH, and now one is having problem: Using a program in a window terminal it writes in memory but the window is not reseting memory so it fill the whole memory (Ram and swap) crashing the process. She read something elsewhere and concluded that it is memory leak and maybe a kernel problem. I think for anyone to respond to that, we need some more info on the specific program she was using. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla bug
listers not sure if this is related to the 'bug' but the problem i experience is that after sometime that mozilla was running properly, it crashes whenever i try to edit my preferences. it happened twice already and i still havent figure out why. the quick fix was to delete the contents of ~/.mozilla (make sure your mails are not in there though). dianne --- Michael Biddulph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 7:32 am, Lorne wrote: On Thursday 24 October 2002 09:20 pm, Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, I discovered a reproduced mozilla 1.1 bug in LM 9.0. Would someone test if this also true on his/her machine? To activate it select \Edit\Preferences...\Mail Newsgroups\Addressing. Norman Okay, I did that. What next? Me too, what is the bug exactly? Michael Biddulph Brisbane, Australia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] importing X
Hi List, Here in our lab we still have some windoze boxes and they use X-Win32 from Starnet to access our Linux boxes (XDMCP). We also have some clean Linux box too and I would like to use such idea of importing X (with KDM and so on, like LTSP and X-Wind32 do) for these clean Linux boxes (they can use X by startx). So, could someone suggest me how to import X from my full Linux box server to these clean Linux boxes? Any idea would be very welcome. Many thanks in advance. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] supermount unreliable
On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 14:26, Franki wrote: if it is that hard, how did losers like microsoft get it working in their OS..??? I mean in 95 it had some issues with floppies constantly being seeked and stuff, but they ironed it out for later versions.. Not really. It still happens in 98 and 98SE; i.e., bluescreens when Explorer attempts to access media that no longer exists. Not only does this include floppies, but also CDRoms. Most of the time when their software engineers approach a problem, they take the stupid approach. Within their organization, different groups that are in charge of different aspects of the OS do not communicate with each other except on a very basic level. The communication is not nearly as comprehensive and open as it is in the GNU world. In fact they are encouraged to compete with each other. I encourage you to read Barbarians Led by Bill Gates, if you are interested. ISBN 0-8050-5754-4. I guess we'll never know what klugge they used, the curse of open source... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:todd;mandrakesoft.com]On Behalf Of Todd Lyons Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 1:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount unreliable Milos Prudek wrote on Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 06:53:37PM +0200 : Yes we have seen this as well. On Mandrake 8.2 as well. The manual mount clears the problem. Is there no way to make supermount work? The code for supermount itself is fairly clean and straightforward. But how to make the kernel gracefully exit situations where it's trying to access a file on media that is no longer available is what is the hard part. I don't profess to be a guru with kernel code by any means. It's a deep concept that has lots of issues that it has to deal with. Blue skies... Todd -- Best Regards, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Spam Assassin
hi brian errr, how about setting the MX for your domain to that 'spamassassin only' server, then use procmail to send passed (non-spam) mails to the mail servers? just a thought dianne --- Brian York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we need is to have a rule in the firewall that sends all mail messages to a spam assassin only server that filters it and then sends it to the mail servers, webmail and exchange. Webmail is for students but it contains all email addresses and forwards ones that are exchange accounts to the exchange servers. So here is what we need Mail \/ Firewall \/ spam assassin \/\/ webmailexchange \/ exchange thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Vox [mailto:vox;gnulinux.org.mx] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Spam Assassin This time Brian York [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: Who has experience with spam assassin? I've been using it for a few months, but.. Can it be setup as a passthough server or does it have to be used on the actual mail server. I have no clue what you mean by passthrough server in this context...could you be a bit more explicit? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] trouble with compact flash in pcmcia adapter
I've just bought a pcmcia compactflash adapter and I can't get it to work on my thinkpad with Mandrake 9. If I put the card in before turning the computer on it freezes after saying: Starting PCMCIA: cardmgr [1031]: socket 1: ata/ide fixed disk OK Starting Portmapper OK Starting System Logger: cardmgr [1021] executing : :/ide start hde' Failed Starting kernel logger OK Starting partmon If I put the card in after booting I get: Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device 21:00 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: devfs_do_symlink(disc0): could not append to parent, err: -17 in /var/log/syslog where * is the computer name If I try and run hardrake or mount hbe it freezes Any ideas --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Creating network install bootable cdrom
hi lieven if the workstations have same configurations like make/model, hard disk, memory, etc ... you can install linux on one system only, then 'dd' the hard disk to the other disks. well you will have to collect the hard disks from all the workstations though. just adding to your ideas dianne --- Lieven Van Acker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, is there a way to create an iso9660 equivalent of the network.img bootable install disk? We have quite a number of workstations to install in our school, but a lot of floppydrives suffer from wear. This is how I want to rollout: 0. Create a bootable CD from network install floppy image 1. Install from network from a bootable CD containing the network install image. 2. Generate an autoinstall floppy 3. Generate a second iso image containing auto-install info 4. Use the second CD to automate installation on other workstations. The only question remaining is how to convert a bootable floppy image to a bootable cd image. Any ideas? Thanks, Lieven Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Creating network install bootable cdrom
the repeatable auto-install (e.g. Kickstart clone) sounds more like what you want, but I have instructions for making a bootable network.img CD on this page: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88 On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 05:41, Lieven Van Acker wrote: Hi, is there a way to create an iso9660 equivalent of the network.img bootable install disk? We have quite a number of workstations to install in our school, but a lot of floppydrives suffer from wear. This is how I want to rollout: 0. Create a bootable CD from network install floppy image 1. Install from network from a bootable CD containing the network install image. 2. Generate an autoinstall floppy 3. Generate a second iso image containing auto-install info 4. Use the second CD to automate installation on other workstations. The only question remaining is how to convert a bootable floppy image to a bootable cd image. Any ideas? Thanks, Lieven Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] importing X
man X. you just start X with a --broadcast flag or the IP of the server. On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 07:33, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List, Here in our lab we still have some windoze boxes and they use X-Win32 from Starnet to access our Linux boxes (XDMCP). We also have some clean Linux box too and I would like to use such idea of importing X (with KDM and so on, like LTSP and X-Wind32 do) for these clean Linux boxes (they can use X by startx). So, could someone suggest me how to import X from my full Linux box server to these clean Linux boxes? Any idea would be very welcome. Many thanks in advance. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) ! Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to administrate as LX/UX... The decisive difference is not the cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications (still, unfortunately). Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. So what ? To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware is maybe a good idea, hmmm. M$ is still in the process of cloning... And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too... It would be nice to get some innovation. And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ? + C#:heavily influenced by SUN's Java + GUI: invented by PARC Xerox spread by Apple Mac + Win NT:based on co-development with IBM (OS/2) + Office Apps: invented by VisiCalc + TCP/IP:invented by DARPA spread by UX + Web: invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC), first denied an neglected by M$... + User Admin (ADS): clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP + Authetification: based on Kerberos (ADS) + SMB/CIFS: original SMB protocol introduced by IBM + MS SQL:Sybase clone And their own innovations - WINS and NT domain. Gone... And security ? One of my favorite quotes: Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some fundamental dislike for the company. Indeed, Microsoft's poor products are one of the reasons we're in business. We pick on them because they've done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie anywhere but inside Microsoft. Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems. Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft and its products. Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002 To broaden the discussion: the only thing I fear for the future and from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and Palladium... It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious threat for the OpenSource Software and movement... Cheers from the city without the wall ;-). Oliver Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] trouble with compact flash in pcmcia adapter
Try without devfs, and manually create the node in /dev (if it does not create it on boot) see if you can acess it. I have CF adapter working great on my mdk8.1 laptop JG ajax wrote: I've just bought a pcmcia compactflash adapter and I can't get it to work on my thinkpad with Mandrake 9. If I put the card in before turning the computer on it freezes after saying: Starting PCMCIA: cardmgr [1031]: socket 1: ata/ide fixed disk OK Starting Portmapper OK Starting System Logger: cardmgr [1021] executing : :/ide start hde' Failed Starting kernel logger OK Starting partmon If I put the card in after booting I get: Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device 21:00 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: devfs_do_symlink(disc0): could not append to parent, err: -17 in /var/log/syslog where * is the computer name If I try and run hardrake or mount hbe it freezes Any ideas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla bug
On my machine Mozilla just closes automatically. By selecting those key sequence. At first I thought I clicked the close button by accident. But I could repeat that by going through the Preferences... and mozilla quits. Obviously it is not reproducible on your machine. So the bug is more subtle. I did open mozilla mail and added some newsgroups and changed my email address before selecting \Edit\Preferences...\Mail Newsgroups\Addressing. I will tried again and report this to bugzilla. Sorry that I wasted your time. Norman - Original Message - From: Michael Biddulph [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 7:32 am, Lorne wrote: On Thursday 24 October 2002 09:20 pm, Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, I discovered a reproduced mozilla 1.1 bug in LM 9.0. Would someone test if this also true on his/her machine? To activate it select \Edit\Preferences...\Mail Newsgroups\Addressing. Norman Okay, I did that. What next? Me too, what is the bug exactly? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
I've written before about the relationship between the Democrats and the Entertainment industry (RIAA, etc) and the havoc they are wreaking with our digital rights (DMCA [Digital Millennium Copyright Act], CBDTA [Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act]). For those of you who are new to the list since that time, consider yourselves now notified that your digital rights are under attack. The time is coming when Linux itself could be outlawed, along with all free software. The real enemy here is not copyrighted media that needs to be hacked. The real enemies are the (elected) LAWMAKERS, who will enact laws that will allow the Federal authorities (FBI, SBI, etc) to be used as an auxillary arm of Microsoft and the Entertainment industries. In other words, by using Democratic lawmakers to pass certain laws, they will have the power to totally control what software you run (Palladium) and also what OS's are legal to run (Linux vs Microshat). Future non-compliance of said laws will bring the Federal authorities down on you courtesy of the Democrats. Do not be fooled by rhetoric. The Democrats have historically been the party of slavery and in fact still are. Power is their end goal; make no mistake about it. SEE: http://wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,55989,00.html Tom Stonewall Daschle (Senate majority leader) has done everything in his power to stop anything approaching progress in the Senate. (Judicial nominations, economic bills, etc) Every bill that has needed to be passed to help the economy has already been passed by the House, and is now stalled in the Senate. Courtesy Stonewall. Therefore the primary goal of the Dems is not the health or safety of the nation at large, but rather the end goal of procurement of political power. Some inkling of their end goal is apparent when the record of their attitude towards Digital Rights is examined. Not only Digital rights, but basically anything that would help the individual rather than the Government is at risk. The worst thing that good people can do in this is to do nothing. This letter is primarily directed at Americans; although I do think that everyone else should be watching because what happens in America will affect the rest of the world. I urge those of you who value your digital rights and those of you who love Linux to please vote in November; and my suggestion is to vote these Democrat parasites out of office. Remember that the Democrats represent government intrusion, digital rights erosion, and TAXATION. When you watch C-span, don't be fooled by the liberal rhetoric or the subtle lean of C-Span to the left. The Republicans are not perfect by any means, but I can promise you that your individual rights will be more protected by the Reps than they will by the Dems. The Republicans have historically been the party of freedom, Abraham Lincoln and anti-slavery. And they still are. A good place to be further pro-active (other than voting pro-Republican in Novemember) is to visit the following site: http://www.eff.org/ Also remember: just about everything you see on television is engineered to make liberals and democrats look good. That is primarily how they maintain their power base (other than their death stranglehold on the public educational system.) My recommendation is to listen to Fox news, talk radio hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingram, and Rush Limbaugh. (yes, Rush Limbaugh is a good source of information, contrary to popular liberal misinformation) and flush the rest. Try listening to the following Realplayer link between 12 and 3:00 EST - rtsp://a271.l582920640.c5829.g.lr.akamaistream.net/live/D/271/5829/v0001/reflector:20640 This is a real good place to start getting informed on the forces at work against the common people in our society today. Good luck to us all in November. --LX P.S. Since I submitted the piece on Recording Netbroadcasts, the DMCA has forced a large number of talk radio stations off the Internet by means of extortion (heavy taxation). The Realplayer links in that article are dead, as are a huge number of other broadcast links. The information itself is being throttled by the DMCA. So get the information from the talk radio links that are left alive while you can. -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake 9.0 screen shots ???? not as shown on the website....
--- faisal gillani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well i checked screen shoots on mandrake site displaying diffrent screen shots ... but when i install mandrake 9 its was totally diffrent ? wat is the version of KDE in default madrake 9 ? do i need to install anything else for thats cool new look of kde ? also does openoffice come with mandrake ? or should i install it sepratly .. its shows in screen shots thanks = *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] trouble with compact flash in pcmcia adapter
Thank you for your response. How would I go about doing this? On Friday 25 October 2002 09:57, J. Grant wrote: Try without devfs, and manually create the node in /dev (if it does not create it on boot) see if you can acess it. I have CF adapter working great on my mdk8.1 laptop JG ajax wrote: I've just bought a pcmcia compactflash adapter and I can't get it to work on my thinkpad with Mandrake 9. If I put the card in before turning the computer on it freezes after saying: Starting PCMCIA: cardmgr [1031]: socket 1: ata/ide fixed disk OK Starting Portmapper OK Starting System Logger: cardmgr [1021] executing : :/ide start hde' Failed Starting kernel logger OK Starting partmon If I put the card in after booting I get: Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device 21:00 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: devfs_do_symlink(disc0): could not append to parent, err: -17 in /var/log/syslog where * is the computer name If I try and run hardrake or mount hbe it freezes Any ideas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
hmp. I thought this was a mandrake-linux related mailing-list where (besides some outbreaks of mostly interesting OT threads) such political _nonsense_ has nothing to search. Living in Europe I have neither the possibilities nor time, will or interest who in the States is the alledgedly bad guy. From an European point of view there is not much difference ... So just stop this sort of spamming that is just cheap propaganda. Udo Am Fre, 2002-10-25 um 18.15 schrieb Lyvim Xaphir: I've written before about the relationship between the Democrats and the Entertainment industry (RIAA, etc) and the havoc they are wreaking with our digital rights (DMCA [Digital Millennium Copyright Act], CBDTA [Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act]). For those of you who are new to the list since that time, consider yourselves now notified that your digital rights are under attack. The time is coming when Linux itself could be outlawed, along with all free software. The real enemy here is not copyrighted media that needs to be hacked. The real enemies are the (elected) LAWMAKERS, who will enact laws that will allow the Federal authorities (FBI, SBI, etc) to be used as an auxillary arm of Microsoft and the Entertainment industries. In other words, by using Democratic lawmakers to pass certain laws, they will have the power to totally control what software you run (Palladium) and also what OS's are legal to run (Linux vs Microshat). Future non-compliance of said laws will bring the Federal authorities down on you courtesy of the Democrats. Do not be fooled by rhetoric. The Democrats have historically been the party of slavery and in fact still are. Power is their end goal; make no mistake about it. SEE: http://wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,55989,00.html Tom Stonewall Daschle (Senate majority leader) has done everything in his power to stop anything approaching progress in the Senate. (Judicial nominations, economic bills, etc) Every bill that has needed to be passed to help the economy has already been passed by the House, and is now stalled in the Senate. Courtesy Stonewall. Therefore the primary goal of the Dems is not the health or safety of the nation at large, but rather the end goal of procurement of political power. Some inkling of their end goal is apparent when the record of their attitude towards Digital Rights is examined. Not only Digital rights, but basically anything that would help the individual rather than the Government is at risk. The worst thing that good people can do in this is to do nothing. This letter is primarily directed at Americans; although I do think that everyone else should be watching because what happens in America will affect the rest of the world. I urge those of you who value your digital rights and those of you who love Linux to please vote in November; and my suggestion is to vote these Democrat parasites out of office. Remember that the Democrats represent government intrusion, digital rights erosion, and TAXATION. When you watch C-span, don't be fooled by the liberal rhetoric or the subtle lean of C-Span to the left. The Republicans are not perfect by any means, but I can promise you that your individual rights will be more protected by the Reps than they will by the Dems. The Republicans have historically been the party of freedom, Abraham Lincoln and anti-slavery. And they still are. A good place to be further pro-active (other than voting pro-Republican in Novemember) is to visit the following site: http://www.eff.org/ Also remember: just about everything you see on television is engineered to make liberals and democrats look good. That is primarily how they maintain their power base (other than their death stranglehold on the public educational system.) My recommendation is to listen to Fox news, talk radio hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingram, and Rush Limbaugh. (yes, Rush Limbaugh is a good source of information, contrary to popular liberal misinformation) and flush the rest. Try listening to the following Realplayer link between 12 and 3:00 EST - rtsp://a271.l582920640.c5829.g.lr.akamaistream.net/live/D/271/5829/v0001/reflector:20640 This is a real good place to start getting informed on the forces at work against the common people in our society today. Good luck to us all in November. --LX P.S. Since I submitted the piece on Recording Netbroadcasts, the DMCA has forced a large number of talk radio stations off the Internet by means of extortion (heavy taxation). The Realplayer links in that article are dead, as are a huge number of other broadcast links. The information itself is being throttled by the DMCA. So get the information from the talk radio links that are left alive while you can. -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment
RE: [expert] Mandrake 9.0 screen shots ???? not as shown on thewebsite....
Open Office is included with MDK9. It was also included with 8.2 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:expert-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of faisal gillani Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Mandrake 9.0 screen shots not as shown on the website --- faisal gillani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well i checked screen shoots on mandrake site displaying diffrent screen shots ... but when i install mandrake 9 its was totally diffrent ? wat is the version of KDE in default madrake 9 ? do i need to install anything else for thats cool new look of kde ? also does openoffice come with mandrake ? or should i install it sepratly .. its shows in screen shots thanks = *:$., 88,.$:*(((*$ Allah-hu-Akber*:$., 88,.$:*((*$ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = *:$., 88,.$:*(((*$ Allah-hu-Akber*:$., 88,.$:*((*$ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
On Friday 25 October 2002 12:49 pm, you wrote: hmp. I thought this was a mandrake-linux related mailing-list where (besides some outbreaks of mostly interesting OT threads) such political _nonsense_ has nothing to search. Living in Europe I have neither the possibilities nor time, will or interest who in the States is the alledgedly bad guy. From an European point of view there is not much difference ... So just stop this sort of spamming that is just cheap propaganda. Udo I agree that this is a *linux* mailing list, but what is said in that post is very important. Some lawmakers here in the US -are- trying to pass really stupid laws that concern Linux and open-source, so I think its relevant. Just my 2 cents worth... :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
God help us. The poor misguided soul that is so easily led by a slick republican marketing campaign. The democrats have in fact fought zealously against allowing an expansion of executive office power contrary to what is claimed below. When you one day awake and can't afford health coverage for your family, find out that your once constitutionaly guaranteed liberties are gone, and that the retirement you thought you had has evaporated, maybe then the veil will be lifted and you will see that in voting (R) you have screwed yourself while thinking you were liking it all along. Don't fail to see the forest for the trees. The DMCA and CBDTA are not partisian issues. And, I guarantee you that a knee-jerk reaction considering it one will do you far more harm good with the ill-considered consequences that will follow. Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I've written before about the relationship between the Democrats and the Entertainment industry (RIAA, etc) and the havoc they are wreaking with our digital rights (DMCA [Digital Millennium Copyright Act], CBDTA [Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act]). For those of you who are new to the list since that time, consider yourselves now notified that your digital rights are under attack. The time is coming when Linux itself could be outlawed, along with all free software. The real enemy here is not copyrighted media that needs to be hacked. The real enemies are the (elected) LAWMAKERS, who will enact laws that will allow the Federal authorities (FBI, SBI, etc) to be used as an auxillary arm of Microsoft and the Entertainment industries. In other words, by using Democratic lawmakers to pass certain laws, they will have the power to totally control what software you run (Palladium) and also what OS's are legal to run (Linux vs Microshat). Future non-compliance of said laws will bring the Federal authorities down on you courtesy of the Democrats. Do not be fooled by rhetoric. The Democrats have historically been the party of slavery and in fact still are. Power is their end goal; make no mistake about it. SEE: http://wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,55989,00.html Tom Stonewall Daschle (Senate majority leader) has done everything in his power to stop anything approaching progress in the Senate. (Judicial nominations, economic bills, etc) Every bill that has needed to be passed to help the economy has already been passed by the House, and is now stalled in the Senate. Courtesy Stonewall. Therefore the primary goal of the Dems is not the health or safety of the nation at large, but rather the end goal of procurement of political power. Some inkling of their end goal is apparent when the record of their attitude towards Digital Rights is examined. Not only Digital rights, but basically anything that would help the individual rather than the Government is at risk. The worst thing that good people can do in this is to do nothing. This letter is primarily directed at Americans; although I do think that everyone else should be watching because what happens in America will affect the rest of the world. I urge those of you who value your digital rights and those of you who love Linux to please vote in November; and my suggestion is to vote these Democrat parasites out of office. Remember that the Democrats represent government intrusion, digital rights erosion, and TAXATION. When you watch C-span, don't be fooled by the liberal rhetoric or the subtle lean of C-Span to the left. The Republicans are not perfect by any means, but I can promise you that your individual rights will be more protected by the Reps than they will by the Dems. The Republicans have historically been the party of freedom, Abraham Lincoln and anti-slavery. And they still are. A good place to be further pro-active (other than voting pro-Republican in Novemember) is to visit the following site: http://www.eff.org/ Also remember: just about everything you see on television is engineered to make liberals and democrats look good. That is primarily how they maintain their power base (other than their death stranglehold on the public educational system.) My recommendation is to listen to Fox news, talk radio hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingram, and Rush Limbaugh. (yes, Rush Limbaugh is a good source of information, contrary to popular liberal misinformation) and flush the rest. Try listening to the following Realplayer link between 12 and 3:00 EST - rtsp://a271.l582920640.c5829.g.lr.akamaistream.net/live/D/271/5829/v0001/reflector:20640 This is a real good place to start getting informed on the forces at work against the common people in our society today. Good luck to us all in November. --LX P.S. Since I submitted the piece on Recording Netbroadcasts, the DMCA has forced a large number of talk radio stations off the Internet by means of extortion (heavy taxation). The Realplayer
Re: [expert] Using gcc 3.2: 'cc1' warning message
On Thursday 24 October 2002 02:24 am, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 23. Oktober 2002 21:30 schrieb Aleksey Naumov: Dear experts, I am using gcc 3.2 (on ML 9.0) and I get a lot of warnings from cc1: cc1: warning: changing search order for system directory /usr/local/include cc1: warning: as it has already been specified as a non-system directory I understand this warning is caused by '-I/usr/local/include' in the compilation line. So, '/usr/local/include' must be a system include directory in gcc 3.2. Is there any way to suppress this message, or remove '/usr/local/include' from the default include list? A lot of packages I have to compile use '-I/usr/local/include' and it is a pain to deal with the flood of identical cc1 warnings. It's more than a pain; cyrus' imap-2.0.16 does not configure correctly because they interprete these warning as an error. So thats the big advantage of OpenSource, use the Source. search for /usr/local/include in the configure-scripts or Makefiles and remove it. That will be my last resort. I still hope there is aa easy way to remove /usr/local/include from system includes; 'gcc -v' gives current configure options, maybe I have to recompile gcc with appropriate option? Otherwise, I'll have to edit Makefiles every time I update my files from CVS repository... Aleksey Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] error installing kernel
When installing any kernel I now get the following error: kernel-2.4.19.17mdk ## /sbin/mkinitrd: line 411: [: too many arguments mke2fs 1.27ea (14-Mar-2002) /sbin/mkinitrd: line 411: [: too many arguments mke2fs 1.27ea (14-Mar-2002) Line 411 is: if [ $root_major = 58, ]; then This line is the same as that on other system on which I have no problem with kernel installation. All files appear to be properly created in /boot and the appro. entries appear in lilo.conf. but the kernel is un-bootable. The same install error and result occurs with Any kernel I install (I still had some old kernel rpms which I used to test.) I have tried rpm -e mkinitrd and then re-installed but there was no change in outcome. Charles --- I'll pretend to trust you if you'll pretend to trust me. -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] trouble with compact flash in pcmcia adapter
on the boot menu select failsafe I presume. Unless you have modified it. Or rebuild your own kernel etc. Is it a standard CF card? or an IBM microdrive? does the CF work normally? perhaps its broken Regards JG ajax wrote: Thank you for your response. How would I go about doing this? On Friday 25 October 2002 09:57, J. Grant wrote: Try without devfs, and manually create the node in /dev (if it does not create it on boot) see if you can acess it. I have CF adapter working great on my mdk8.1 laptop JG ajax wrote: I've just bought a pcmcia compactflash adapter and I can't get it to work on my thinkpad with Mandrake 9. If I put the card in before turning the computer on it freezes after saying: Starting PCMCIA: cardmgr [1031]: socket 1: ata/ide fixed disk OK Starting Portmapper OK Starting System Logger: cardmgr [1021] executing : :/ide start hde' Failed Starting kernel logger OK Starting partmon If I put the card in after booting I get: Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device 21:00 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: devfs_do_symlink(disc0): could not append to parent, err: -17 in /var/log/syslog where * is the computer name If I try and run hardrake or mount hbe it freezes Any ideas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] importing X
Easy ;-) As far as you say, the ones that will lend their desktops are already ready as you can do it through Windows+XWin32 so all you need is to configure the remote-clients. So just start X on remote-clients with query option: X -query host (being host the IP/name of the main box) Just FYI: the remote that connects to the main box is an X-server and the main box is the client in X terms (just think who is the one that requests the service of drawing something and who actually does the job by drawing it...). Curious, isn't it? ;-) Another option you can use (both in Linux and on Windows) is to use VNC. Tightvnc is a good option as you can connect from a native client or even connect to it throught a Browser (Netscape, IE, Konqueror, ...) and you can share desktops or cut the wire and some days later connect to it again and go on where you were... Play and enjoy ;-)) El vie, 25-10-2002 a las 16:33, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva escribió: Hi List, Here in our lab we still have some windoze boxes and they use X-Win32 from Starnet to access our Linux boxes (XDMCP). We also have some clean Linux box too and I would like to use such idea of importing X (with KDM and so on, like LTSP and X-Wind32 do) for these clean Linux boxes (they can use X by startx). So, could someone suggest me how to import X from my full Linux box server to these clean Linux boxes? Any idea would be very welcome. Many thanks in advance. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Diego Dominguez __/\__ | | Andalucia /\ Spain \/ |__ __| \/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake 9.0 goes instantly to suspend mode every 10min!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Panagiotis Melas wrote: |It is not an SMP machine for sure, the mainboard is Gigabyte 7VXH something |with network interface and sound card. The processor is AMD Athlon 1500+ | |it seems that many people get that warning io-apic but I cannot understand |why somehow the kernel is getting confused with SMP flags. Do you think that |the dual bios feature of the mainboard is responsible but this is common to |all gigabyte ones ... | |I might have to compile the kernel on my own then or use 2.5. ? And keep watching the http://mandrakeforum.com/ and the ML 9.0 Errata and Troubleshooting. Larry | | | |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | |Panagiotis Melas wrote: | ||-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- ||Hash: SHA1 || ||Panagiotis Melas wrote: || ||| Hello, ||| ||| I've posted the same problem before few weeks ago but none of the || ||It is not easy to describe, it is very similar like doing apm -s |(suspend) ||every 10 min on a desktop i.e. X-windows disapear I guess it goes into |text ||mode and then goes completely blank and then it comes up. In total it |takes 3-4 ||seconds. From the computer box I can hear a characteristic noise (a |relay?) ||when it changes mode from graphs to text mode... || || ||I had uninstalled all apm and xscreensaver packages, login in safe mode |or ||text mode or GNOME, blackbox, etc with no success so far. Screensavers |are ||configured to run every 5 min and apm if that runs every 15 min. || ||If apmd is not running the only log message I get is that of the network ||card only, when apmd is running I get more messages indicating that |there is a ||suspend mode as you saw in the previous e-mail. || ||I suspect there is something wrong with the kernel itself that causes |that ||at least for my h/w? but as I told you Mandrake 8.2 was running without |this ||problem. || ||Is there anyway to get more information? || ||Panos | | |I admit to not following your messages fully so with that in mind... | |You appear to be running a motherboard with SMP, | |1. Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.1 Virtual Wire compatibility |mode. |However your messages indicate only a single processor kernel in being |installed. | |2. Linux version 2.4.19-16mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc |version 3.2 |(Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)) #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002 | |You also have an error for your APIC: | |3. WARNING: unexpected IO-APIC, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |As for the program 'apm', if you are running a SMP system then you |should not have this program. Normally the SMP kernel will disable this |when booting. | |I have also problems with the SMP kernel and a TB Santa Cruz sound card |I'm working on which was running flawless under ML 8.2. Something is |quite different in ML 9.0. | |Can you post your system hardware. | |Larry | |-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- |Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) |Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org | |iD8DBQE9uDGpGmoP0nUBNzsRAuCFAJ0Sfhpd5OfWm2vw1mUCAMewhirspACfZpaw |ZnVSWq3Dc/pW0MxecK+6PWM= |=7cyK |-END PGP SIGNATURE- | | | | | | |- | |Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? |Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9uX5aGmoP0nUBNzsRAichAKDH+OwDgAWNap6xF2wrN0LqxKoLOgCfQ7c0 izO8ZkETRA0HohBE6s9pLFg= =Olpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Making an optimized kernel
This is mainly curiosity but... when I compile kernel sources they go just fine, but if I change the optimization level -O2 to -O3 in the root source Makefile it does NOT success in making modules part. The error that it gives is: make[2]: Cambiando a directorio `/usr/src/linux-2.4.19-8mdk/fs/smbfs' gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.4.19-8mdk/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O3 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=athlon -DMODULE -DMODVERSIONS -include /usr/src/linux-2.4.19-8mdk/include/linux/modversions.h -DSMBFS_PARANOIA -nostdinc -I /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-mandrake-linux-gnu/2.96/include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=proc -c -o proc.o proc.c proc.c: In function `smb_decode_long_dirent': proc.c:1854: Unrecognizable insn: (insn/i 431 934 928 (parallel[ (set (reg:SI 0 eax) (asm_operands () (=a) 0[ (reg:DI 1 edx) ] [ (asm_input:DI (A)) ] (proc.c) 428)) (set (reg:SI 1 edx) (asm_operands () (=d) 1[ (reg:DI 1 edx) ] [ (asm_input:DI (A)) ] (proc.c) 428)) (clobber (reg:QI 19 dirflag)) (clobber (reg:QI 18 fpsr)) (clobber (reg:QI 17 flags)) ] ) -1 (insn_list 429 (nil)) (nil)) proc.c:1854: confused by earlier errors, bailing out make[2]: *** [proc.o] Error 2 make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/usr/src/linux-2.4.19-8mdk/fs/smbfs' make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_smbfs] Error 2 make[1]: Saliendo directorio `/usr/src/linux-2.4.19-8mdk/fs' make: *** [_mod_fs] Error 2 Can anyone explain WHY??? -- Diego Dominguez __/\__ | | Andalucia /\ Spain \/ |__ __| \/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] autofs stuff
I tried the below On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 06:10, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Milos Prudek wrote: Hi, I was looking forward to use supermount but it does not work very well in Mandrake 9.0. Details in separate post. So I tried autofs. Autofs in Mandrake 9.0 mounts drives automatically, but does not unmount them when timeout expires. They must by umounted manually. auto.master: /mnt/etc/auto.drives --timeout=20 Ignore bropken man pages and do this: Did this for auto.master /mnt/etc/auto.drives --timeout 20 the = doesn't work. use a space. I have over 20 linux workstations with autofs working fine. Took awile to track down this problem. Did this for auto.drive auto.drives: cdrom -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom floppy -fstype=auto,user,rw:/dev/fd0 Started autofs and all the mount points under /mnt had disappeared making it impossible to go to say the cdrom using mc. Also is there a fix for the cdrom and floppy icons on the desktop to work? Currently got everything back on manual mounting. you are close, what you need to do is simply create some soft links if auto.drives mounts stuff under /mnt (create a /drives, leave /mnt open for the needed manual mounts) then create a /media and in it 'ln -sf /mnt/cdrom cdrom' so if a cd is in the drive but the mount has expired and been removed, as soon as you ls /media it will atempt to look at /media/cdrom and thus remount the device again since it was being accessed indirectly. for more info check out Linux Journal Issue April 2002 #96, the article Virtual CDROM Jukebox goes into a discussion on this topic. -- Will Merkens Suite 1103, 505 - 4th Ave S.W. Calgary, AB. Canada Primary E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Backup E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] importing X
Hi Jack, Thank you very much, I think it is what I need. On 25 Oct 2002, Jack Coates wrote: man X. you just start X with a --broadcast flag or the IP of the server. On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 07:33, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List, Here in our lab we still have some windoze boxes and they use X-Win32 from Starnet to access our Linux boxes (XDMCP). We also have some clean Linux box too and I would like to use such idea of importing X (with KDM and so on, like LTSP and X-Wind32 do) for these clean Linux boxes (they can use X by startx). So, could someone suggest me how to import X from my full Linux box server to these clean Linux boxes? Any idea would be very welcome. Many thanks in advance. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
Sorry guys, i have to keep this mail intact , so here's my rant. The notion of free market MONOPOLY is not evil , just as we drink Coke occasionally althought its not a health drink .But its about softdrinks, not something as important as a computer operating system where we are in this age of technological importance , in terms of survival of our species. A OS is crtical to our species as what it means to banking ,governance ,democracy and the free world.We are here in the age of globalisation and here is what the issue as nifty as a debate of OS that count.Look at the world today ,its about education and poverty .We in the free world enjoyed much , even me in Malaysia, but what about those in the African continent where flies is more than Africans? Computer is what will lead these unfortunate people to the forefront of world economies.,and we know we will have inter-cultural peace if we have unlucky brethen's who have ACCESS to computer in order to be I.T literate.Then only we have a balanced world of educated friends of the world.Education defecienncy will lead to ignorance and violence.We can't blame poor people who riot and kill , among other things you know . So here is why a responsible company will need to do .If it can't make its system free by self supporting with partnership with other corporate circles and survive on that , then it shouldn't be so expensive as costing a month of labor for a third world citizens to buy M$.He got a family to raise and he got no solution of OS substitution when it come to OS to educate and give his sons and daughters and chance for their future. And M$ is not doing well considering the it make BILLIONS out of our world .I know the U.S supreme court ordered it to do Charity but M$ do it by donating its system at market cost and then just called it a quit, so simple. I can rant forever but other than the moral discontent here , M$ is not a good system after all .For business people , they will pay the license no doubt , but if i am the boss of my shop and then one day my Win98 let me down and i lost my business money by using it becaouse of crash ,virus ,hackers and illegal transmission of my data by my own Win98 OS, then can i bring Microsoft to court ? Surely not .I can go on ranting but we know what all this means. Choong Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 021024 Jim C wrote: Hmmm... correct me if I am wrong because I am not sure about this but didn't X-Window exist before the GUI Windows? yes, long before: it came out of Bell Labs, like most IT innovations. Apple put it into the consumer market with the Mac, which M$ then belatedly imitated faced a lawsuit over. Ballmer is doing the standard Big Lie: attribute to your enemy the very vices or crimes you are guilty of yourself. He wasn't democratically elected, he's been cracking down on opposition, he's got an overwhelming arsenal of weapons of mass destruction can't stop trying to obtain more, he keeps threatening other countries: now who does that make you think of, if you don't live in the USA? Linux the other free software developers are the termites who are eating away at the foundations of the tyrant's palace, which will one day crumble to dust: Shelley wrote a poem re it (Ozymandias). __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22)
So we have to support AMD more, afterall AMD is as American as ,Microsuck.Intel is the Devils advocate.We know who we are .,and dont forget that browsers technology of M$ is a clone of Mosaic and do M$ pay back to the world ?NO. Choong Oliver Thieke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) ! Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to administrate as LX/UX... The decisive difference is not the cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications (still, unfortunately). Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. So what ? To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware is maybe a good idea, hmmm. M$ is still in the process of cloning... And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too... It would be nice to get some innovation. And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ? + C#: heavily influenced by SUN's Java + GUI: invented by PARC Xerox spread by Apple Mac + Win NT: based on co-development with IBM (OS/2) + Office Apps: invented by VisiCalc + TCP/IP: invented by DARPA spread by UX + Web: invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC), first denied an neglected by M$... + User Admin (ADS): clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP + Authetification: based on Kerberos (ADS) + SMB/CIFS: original SMB protocol introduced by IBM + MS SQL: Sybase clone And their own innovations - WINS and NT domain. Gone... And security ? One of my favorite quotes: Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some fundamental dislike for the company. Indeed, Microsoft's poor products are one of the reasons we're in business. We pick on them because they've done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie anywhere but inside Microsoft. Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems. Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft and its products. Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002 To broaden the discussion: the only thing I fear for the future and from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and Palladium... It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious threat for the OpenSource Software and movement... Cheers from the city without the wall ;-). Oliver __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
Americans ONLY? OK , i will fwd this to my full list of Americans dominated audio group .Btw, i feel as angry as any sensible American and i know about the RIAA issue.Yes , its our world too .Tell these fucers Dems that no wonder why the world hate THEM. Choong Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've written before about the relationship between the Democrats and the Entertainment industry (RIAA, etc) and the havoc they are wreaking with our digital rights (DMCA [Digital Millennium Copyright Act], CBDTA [Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act]). For those of you who are new to the list since that time, consider yourselves now notified that your digital rights are under attack. The time is coming when Linux itself could be outlawed, along with all free software. The real enemy here is not copyrighted media that needs to be hacked. The real enemies are the (elected) LAWMAKERS, who will enact laws that will allow the Federal authorities (FBI, SBI, etc) to be used as an auxillary arm of Microsoft and the Entertainment industries. In other words, by using Democratic lawmakers to pass certain laws, they will have the power to totally control what software you run (Palladium) and also what OS's are legal to run (Linux vs Microshat). Future non-compliance of said laws will bring the Federal authorities down on you courtesy of the Democrats. Do not be fooled by rhetoric. The Democrats have historically been the party of slavery and in fact still are. Power is their end goal; make no mistake about it. SEE: http://wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,55989,00.html Tom Stonewall Daschle (Senate majority leader) has done everything in his power to stop anything approaching progress in the Senate. (Judicial nominations, economic bills, etc) Every bill that has needed to be passed to help the economy has already been passed by the House, and is now stalled in the Senate. Courtesy Stonewall. Therefore the primary goal of the Dems is not the health or safety of the nation at large, but rather the end goal of procurement of political power. Some inkling of their end goal is apparent when the record of their attitude towards Digital Rights is examined. Not only Digital rights, but basically anything that would help the individual rather than the Government is at risk. The worst thing that good people can do in this is to do nothing. This letter is primarily directed at Americans; although I do think that everyone else should be watching because what happens in America will affect the rest of the world. I urge those of you who value your digital rights and those of you who love Linux to please vote in November; and my suggestion is to vote these Democrat parasites out of office. Remember that the Democrats represent government intrusion, digital rights erosion, and TAXATION. When you watch C-span, don't be fooled by the liberal rhetoric or the subtle lean of C-Span to the left. The Republicans are not perfect by any means, but I can promise you that your individual rights will be more protected by the Reps than they will by the Dems. The Republicans have historically been the party of freedom, Abraham Lincoln and anti-slavery. And they still are. A good place to be further pro-active (other than voting pro-Republican in Novemember) is to visit the following site: http://www.eff.org/ Also remember: just about everything you see on television is engineered to make liberals and democrats look good. That is primarily how they maintain their power base (other than their death stranglehold on the public educational system.) My recommendation is to listen to Fox news, talk radio hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingram, and Rush Limbaugh. (yes, Rush Limbaugh is a good source of information, contrary to popular liberal misinformation) and flush the rest. Try listening to the following Realplayer link between 12 and 3:00 EST - rtsp://a271.l582920640.c5829.g.lr.akamaistream.net/live/D/271/5829/v0001/reflector:20640 This is a real good place to start getting informed on the forces at work against the common people in our society today. Good luck to us all in November. --LX P.S. Since I submitted the piece on Recording Netbroadcasts, the DMCA has forced a large number of talk radio stations off the Internet by means of extortion (heavy taxation). The Realplayer links in that article are dead, as are a huge number of other broadcast links. The information itself is being throttled by the DMCA. So get the information from the talk radio links that are left alive while you can. -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdk Evolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now!
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
In which case remember that this is a world-wide mailing list and, despite the apparent belief of the US that what they want is the same for all of us, it's not. Go and fight out your political battles on an advocacy group. If you want to ask for support against DMCA or similar by all means lobby for AMERICAN voters but remember that the American political body doesn't give a shit about the opinions of non-voters ie the rest of the world, so it is a pointless request. Just my 2 euros worth. regards Daryl On Friday 25 October 2002 5:50 pm, you wrote: On Friday 25 October 2002 12:49 pm, you wrote: hmp. I thought this was a mandrake-linux related mailing-list where (besides some outbreaks of mostly interesting OT threads) such political _nonsense_ has nothing to search. Living in Europe I have neither the possibilities nor time, will or interest who in the States is the alledgedly bad guy. From an European point of view there is not much difference ... So just stop this sort of spamming that is just cheap propaganda. Udo I agree that this is a *linux* mailing list, but what is said in that post is very important. Some lawmakers here in the US -are- trying to pass really stupid laws that concern Linux and open-source, so I think its relevant. Just my 2 cents worth... :-) -- You must learn to run your kayak by a sort of ju-jitsu. You must learn to tell what the river will do to you, and given those parameters see how you can live with it. You must absorb its force and convert it to your users as best you can. Even with the quickness and agility of a kayak, you are not faster than the river, nor stronger, and you can beat it only by understanding it. -- Strung, Curtis and Perry, _Whitewater_ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22)
I am starting to question the idea of us all supporting AMD, if transmeta made a good desktop processor comparable with Athlons or P4's I'd back them first... AMD are sucking up to M$ something bigtime, they have jumped on the Palladium bandwagon just like intel, they renamed their processor after the M$ latest OS, and they work really hard to get in M$ good books why they do it is irrelevant (money, name association...etc).. that they do is. because when it comes down to it.. all the palladium crap is gonna be on the processor.. AMD's as much as intels. remember, any replies I get that start with but they said it will all be turned off by default doesn't know M$ very well, they may well start it that way, but how long before that changes??? I say come on Transmeta, get us a fast, preferable pin compatable processor compariable to the others and we will jump on board like never before. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:expert-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 2:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22) So we have to support AMD more, afterall AMD is as American as ,Microsuck.Intel is the Devils advocate.We know who we are .,and dont forget that browsers technology of M$ is a clone of Mosaic and do M$ pay back to the world ?NO. Choong Oliver Thieke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) ! Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to administrate as LX/UX... The decisive difference is not the cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications (still, unfortunately). Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. So what ? To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware is maybe a good idea, hmmm. M$ is still in the process of cloning... And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too... It would be nice to get some innovation. And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ? + C#: heavily influenced by SUN's Java + GUI: invented by PARC Xerox spread by Apple Mac + Win NT: based on co-development with IBM (OS/2) + Office Apps: invented by VisiCalc + TCP/IP: invented by DARPA spread by UX + Web: invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC), first denied an neglected by M$... + User Admin (ADS): clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP + Authetification: based on Kerberos (ADS) + SMB/CIFS: original SMB protocol introduced by IBM + MS SQL: Sybase clone And their own innovations - WINS and NT domain. Gone... And security ? One of my favorite quotes: Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some fundamental dislike for the company. Indeed, Microsoft's poor products are one of the reasons we're in business. We pick on them because they've done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie anywhere but inside Microsoft. Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems. Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft and its products. Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002 To broaden the discussion: the only thing I fear for the future and from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and Palladium... It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious threat for the OpenSource Software and movement... Cheers from the city without the wall ;-). Oliver __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] BUG: service lircd assume modules in wrong places
HI! I wondered why lircd was not starting on my machine, so I read trough the scripts and saw the following : /etc/rc.d/init.d/lircd: [ -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/$HWMOD.o ] \ insmod $HWMOD $DRIVER_OPTS /dev/null #locate lirc_ /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_parallel.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_dev.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_gpio.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_i2c.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_it87.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_serial.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/mod_dvb/lirc_dvb.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_parallel.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_dev.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_gpio.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_i2c.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_it87.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_serial.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/mod_dvb/lirc_dvb.o.gz So there are some glitches in there 1.) Assuming the module is uncompressed 2.) Assuming the module is in 'uname -r'/misc changin the line in [ -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/$HWMOD.o.gz ] \ insmod $HWMOD $DRIVER_OPTS /dev/null results in a working lircd service. No need to ask ,why modprobe is not used to decide if the module is there and loadable or not , I think. Could this be changed for Cooker ? Greats Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] importing X
Hi! Thank you very much. I played with VNC before and found out it a litle bit slow. Since I used LTSP once, such solution is really great. On 25 Oct 2002, ddc_prueba wrote: Easy ;-) As far as you say, the ones that will lend their desktops are already ready as you can do it through Windows+XWin32 so all you need is to configure the remote-clients. So just start X on remote-clients with query option: X -query host (being host the IP/name of the main box) Just FYI: the remote that connects to the main box is an X-server and the main box is the client in X terms (just think who is the one that requests the service of drawing something and who actually does the job by drawing it...). Curious, isn't it? ;-) Another option you can use (both in Linux and on Windows) is to use VNC. Tightvnc is a good option as you can connect from a native client or even connect to it throught a Browser (Netscape, IE, Konqueror, ...) and you can share desktops or cut the wire and some days later connect to it again and go on where you were... Play and enjoy ;-)) El vie, 25-10-2002 a las 16:33, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva escribió: Hi List, Here in our lab we still have some windoze boxes and they use X-Win32 from Starnet to access our Linux boxes (XDMCP). We also have some clean Linux box too and I would like to use such idea of importing X (with KDM and so on, like LTSP and X-Wind32 do) for these clean Linux boxes (they can use X by startx). So, could someone suggest me how to import X from my full Linux box server to these clean Linux boxes? Any idea would be very welcome. Many thanks in advance. --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
I live in Australia, so I don't count in the US arguement, but Australia always kiss the US ass.. so what gets passed there will appear over here sooner or later. (we already have strict gun control (ie you can't have one) strict online porn and gambling regulations (ie you can't do either unless you are the government.) and our leaders just love imposing their own morality on us... So, if it passes in the US, we will have it hear a couple of years later. I worry about that, because I kinda like my freedom, it pisses me off that all these countries go on about fighting for freedom, while they are the ones that decide what freedom actually entails... someone should tell the politions that they are either for freedom or not, there is no half measure... restricting what we can listen to, look at, do with our own money, run on our PC's etc etc is NOT freedom. I am hoping you yanks do something, because I can't do anything at your end, and if it goes through there. it'll be near impossible to stop here. regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:expert-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Daryl Johnson Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 2:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates In which case remember that this is a world-wide mailing list and, despite the apparent belief of the US that what they want is the same for all of us, it's not. Go and fight out your political battles on an advocacy group. If you want to ask for support against DMCA or similar by all means lobby for AMERICAN voters but remember that the American political body doesn't give a shit about the opinions of non-voters ie the rest of the world, so it is a pointless request. Just my 2 euros worth. regards Daryl On Friday 25 October 2002 5:50 pm, you wrote: On Friday 25 October 2002 12:49 pm, you wrote: hmp. I thought this was a mandrake-linux related mailing-list where (besides some outbreaks of mostly interesting OT threads) such political _nonsense_ has nothing to search. Living in Europe I have neither the possibilities nor time, will or interest who in the States is the alledgedly bad guy. From an European point of view there is not much difference ... So just stop this sort of spamming that is just cheap propaganda. Udo I agree that this is a *linux* mailing list, but what is said in that post is very important. Some lawmakers here in the US -are- trying to pass really stupid laws that concern Linux and open-source, so I think its relevant. Just my 2 cents worth... :-) -- You must learn to run your kayak by a sort of ju-jitsu. You must learn to tell what the river will do to you, and given those parameters see how you can live with it. You must absorb its force and convert it to your users as best you can. Even with the quickness and agility of a kayak, you are not faster than the river, nor stronger, and you can beat it only by understanding it. -- Strung, Curtis and Perry, _Whitewater_ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] trouble with compact flash in pcmcia adapter
The card is a normal CF card. It works in my pocket pc and digital camera. The adapter works in windows. When I booted into failsafe, I could mount the card. How do I get it to work with my regular boot? Do I have to change something in the kernel? On Friday 25 October 2002 11:31, J. Grant wrote: on the boot menu select failsafe I presume. Unless you have modified it. Or rebuild your own kernel etc. Is it a standard CF card? or an IBM microdrive? does the CF work normally? perhaps its broken Regards JG ajax wrote: Thank you for your response. How would I go about doing this? On Friday 25 October 2002 09:57, J. Grant wrote: Try without devfs, and manually create the node in /dev (if it does not create it on boot) see if you can acess it. I have CF adapter working great on my mdk8.1 laptop JG ajax wrote: I've just bought a pcmcia compactflash adapter and I can't get it to work on my thinkpad with Mandrake 9. If I put the card in before turning the computer on it freezes after saying: Starting PCMCIA: cardmgr [1031]: socket 1: ata/ide fixed disk OK Starting Portmapper OK Starting System Logger: cardmgr [1021] executing : :/ide start hde' Failed Starting kernel logger OK Starting partmon If I put the card in after booting I get: Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device 21:00 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Oct 23 21:54:37 *** kernel: devfs_do_symlink(disc0): could not append to parent, err: -17 in /var/log/syslog where * is the computer name If I try and run hardrake or mount hbe it freezes Any ideas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] WindowMaker
In fresh Mandrake 9.0 install, WindowMaker starts but immediately shows the following window: The application menu could not be loaded. Look at the console output for a detailed description of the errors. I went to runlevel 3, and successfully launched WindowMaker using startx. The same error. So I read console output and also /var/log/XFree86.*.log, but it only contains XFree86 related data. Nothing about WindowMaker. Where can I find WindowMaker console output? -- Milos Prudek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Nvidia runing but...
Dear Friends, I finally bought a Creative Blaster 4 Titanium 4200 with the Nvidia Geforce4 Ti chip. Thanks to the comments in this list and the expert one the installation was very easy. First I edited initab to put the text mode star; then I installed the two rpm nvidia files and also the nvtv file; I activated harddrake service and stoped the computer. Then I made the change of my Voodoo3 3000 and I put the new video-card in the AGP slot. I started again Mandrake and harddrake erase the Voodo3 3000 installation. From the console as root I started XFdrake and few seconds later I had my new card instaled with DRI runing. Now I am testing several programes: tuxracer impressive, xine fine, Armagetron and Chromium runing fine. But I have found two problems: 1) Quake III looks awfull; perhaps I need to select some special graphic characteristics; the videos and demos look very nice, but when I start to play the graphics are very bad. 2) With nvtv (tv-output) I can see the colors bars in my tv, but when I try to send the whole screen to the tv just a white screen. Perhaps I need to change something in the XFree86 Config files. Any help will be welcome; thanks a lot in advance for your help. -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia E-30100 Murcia España (Spain) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22)
On Friday 25 October 2002 12:55 pm, Franki wrote: I am starting to question the idea of us all supporting AMD, if transmeta made a good desktop processor comparable with Athlons or P4's I'd back them first... AMD are sucking up to M$ something bigtime, they have jumped on the Palladium bandwagon just like intel, they renamed their processor after the M$ latest OS, and they work really hard to get in M$ good books why they do it is irrelevant (money, name association...etc).. that they do is. because when it comes down to it.. all the palladium crap is gonna be on the processor.. AMD's as much as intels. remember, any replies I get that start with but they said it will all be turned off by default doesn't know M$ very well, they may well start it that way, but how long before that changes??? I say come on Transmeta, get us a fast, preferable pin compatable processor compariable to the others and we will jump on board like never before. rgds Frank minor snips winisd wrote: So we have to support AMD more, afterall AMD is as American as ,Microsuck.Intel is the Devils advocate.We know who we are .,and dont forget that browsers technology of M$ is a clone of Mosaic and do M$ pay back to the world ?NO. Choong Oliver Thieke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) ! Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to administrate as LX/UX... The decisive difference is not the cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications (still, unfortunately). Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. So what ? To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware is maybe a good idea, hmmm. M$ is still in the process of cloning... And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too... It would be nice to get some innovation. And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ? + C#:heavily influenced by SUN's Java + GUI: invented by PARC Xerox spread by Apple Mac + Win NT:based on co-development with IBM (OS/2) + Office Apps: invented by VisiCalc + TCP/IP:invented by DARPA spread by UX + Web: invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC), first denied an neglected by M$... + User Admin (ADS): clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP + Authetification: based on Kerberos (ADS) + SMB/CIFS: original SMB protocol introduced by IBM + MS SQL:Sybase clone And their own innovations - WINS and NT domain. Gone... And security ? One of my favorite quotes: Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some fundamental dislike for the company. Indeed, Microsoft's poor products are one of the reasons we're in business. We pick on them because they've done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie anywhere but inside Microsoft. Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems. Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft and its products. Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002 To broaden the discussion: the only thing I fear for the future and from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and Palladium... It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious threat for the OpenSource Software and movement... Cheers from the city without the wall ;-). Oliver This is a copy of a message I sent a while back to AMD about that sucking up they've been doing, and the reply they recently honoured me with. Sorry the message is now so long: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:02:31 -0700 Hello, Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center. AMD is evaluating the Palladium technology being proposed by Microsoft. AMD works with Microsoft on many of their technologies. Because this pertains to unreleased products, we are unable to comment at this time. However, we do appreciate your feedback. Best Regards, Ryan Gardner CPU Specialist AMD TSC P.S. Please visit our new online technical support website, Ask AMD, at http://ask.amd.com. Ask AMD is easy to use and contains answers to many of the questions our customers have asked. There's a good chance it can answer your next question! Original Message Follows:
RE: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
Hi List ! I thought this was a mandrake-linux related mailing-list It still is... where such political _nonsense_ has nothing to search. TCPA, DRM and Palladium is NO nonsense. It will not appear next Year. But maybe it's the roadmap for the next decade. The wintel empire and the entertainment industry is behind it. Intel and M$ push it heavily for different reasons: Intel to push future CPU-sales (all all CPU's to be replaced by TCPA-enabled CPU's). And M$ to help the entertainment industry, end the illegal copying of commercial software and gain perfect control about who can install what software on his/her PC... From an European point of view there is not much difference ... I'm Europaen too. I'm not familiar with the political details and acting person's either. But the subject itself is of great interest for the future of Linux and OSS. HP is already on the road developping an TCPA-compliant Linux. Since the US dominates the IT world this will afect Europe for sure. The interesting question will be: what will Apple, AMD or other CPU-Manufacturers do about it ? Will we still have access to cheap, non-TCPA Hardware where our Linux can run on ? I don't care about ending the ripping and copying of music and movies. But I care about who's limiting my choice of software and forcing me to buy and use only their programs. My fear is that Palladium will lead us down a road where our computers are no longer our computers, but are instead owned by a variety of factions and companies all looking for a piece of our wallet. To the extent that Palladium facilitates that reality, it's bad for society. I don't mind companies selling, renting, or licensing things to me, but the loss of the power, reach, and flexibility of the computer is too great a price to pay. Bruce Schneier, Cryptogram, August 15, 2002 Complete text in: http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0208.html#1 Cheers from Berlin Oliver Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] WindowMaker
I had that problem on one of the 3 Mandrake 9.0 installs that I performed. If I recall correctly the fix was very simple. As root cd to /etc/alternatives then execute the following command: ln -s /usr/bin/cpp-3.2 lib_cpp The console errors that your looking for (which is where I found that it was this problem) are in ~/.xsession-errors Erik On Friday 25 October 2002 01:44 pm, Milos Prudek wrote: In fresh Mandrake 9.0 install, WindowMaker starts but immediately shows the following window: The application menu could not be loaded. Look at the console output for a detailed description of the errors. I went to runlevel 3, and successfully launched WindowMaker using startx. The same error. So I read console output and also /var/log/XFree86.*.log, but it only contains XFree86 related data. Nothing about WindowMaker. Where can I find WindowMaker console output? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 12:59, David Rankin wrote: God help us. The poor misguided soul that is so easily led by a slick republican marketing campaign. The democrats have in fact fought zealously against allowing an expansion of executive office power contrary to what is claimed below. When you one day awake and can't afford health coverage for your family, And that is the standard Democratic fear mongering mantra that's intoned before every election, another Dem doom and gloom election tactic that's starting to fail, since it's basically bullshat. BTW, tell me what cable or TV channel that the slick republican marketing campaign was broadcast on? CNN? ABC? CBS? BBC? MSNBC? Tell me how they have saturated the airwaves with their slick republican marketing. I am very interested to know, because I believe it is not *I* that has been brainwashed having seen those channels. Power: the dems are not fighting against expansion of executive power, they are fighting for expansion of their own power. The attempted violation of New Jersey election laws by the Democratic party is a prime example of that, as is Stonewall Daschle's block of 50 supreme justice nominees and economic/home defense bills. The fear-doom/gloom-negative campaign mantra is a standard brainwashing tactic of the Dems to retain senior and welfare recipient votes. Same tactic used by MicroSoft: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Congratulations for continuing to promote that trend yourself. find out that your once constitutionaly guaranteed liberties are gone, and that the retirement you thought you had has evaporated, maybe then Freedom: What constitutional liberties have been protected by the Democrats? Let's talk facts here. The DMCA was a bill proposed by DEMOCRAT Senator Friz Hollings of South Carolina right after he got an infusion of cash from Entertainment industry sources and Microsoft(several tens of thousands, if memory serves), and passed by a Democratically controlled Senate. Do you deny that fact? The CBDTPA (Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act) was also introduced by Democrat Hollings. Do you deny that? Today Americans pay 60c on the dollar for every dollar they make in taxes. This was done to us by the pro-goverment Senate-majority Democrats. Do you deny that? What about the attack on the software license behind the Linux operating system ? Do you deny that Democrats are not behind that movement, in light of the following paragraph from the Wired article I posted? Earlier this week, three members of the House of Representatives, Adam Smith (D- Wash.), Ron Kind (D-Wis.) and Jim Davis (D-Fla.), sent a note to 74 Democrats in Congress attacking Linux's GNU General Public License (GPL) as a threat to America's innovation and security. This above is another totally Democratic action. And yet Democrats are protecting our constitutional rights? Exactly what rights are being protected? Your right to work in a Dem -controlled workers (government or otherwise) union? Your right not to be able to defend yourself in your own home? Your right to run only MicroSoft products? Your right to be taxed 60 cents on the dollar for every dollar you make? Your right to be forcefully subjected to a death tax? Your right to be restricted on what songs you play on YOUR computer, or what software you run on YOUR computer? Your right to be forced to delete Linux from your machine? What rights are you talking about here? the veil will be lifted and you will see that in voting (R) you have screwed yourself while thinking you were liking it all along. Don't fail to see the forest for the trees. The DMCA and CBDTA are not partisian issues. And, I guarantee you that a knee-jerk reaction considering it one will do you far more harm good with the ill-considered consequences that will follow. I agree totally on the knee jerk reaction, because I see it coming from liberal Democrats, mostly from one of the following sources: 1.) Liberal university Professors of anything 2.) NEA paid for and bought members of the Teachers Union 3.) Anyone internally affiliated with the National Education Association (NEA) 4.) Anyone internally affiliated with the following news organizations: a.) CNN b.) CBS c.) MSNBC d.) ABC (in other words, most journalists. Not all, but MOST. Some examples: Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Dan Rather [Red Dan] ) 5.) Anyone internally affiliated with the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) 6.) Any Feminist (aka FemiNazi's) There are turncoat Republicans, don't get me wrong. Like I said, the Republican party is not perfect. However as a whole they are far superior to the Democratic party ideologically, ethically and actually. That's why they don't get equal media attention. In fact they get strongly NEGATIVE media attention. The democratic party is the consummate Do Nothing party. They (the politicians) publicly endorse ethical standards
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
On Friday 25 October 2002 02:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry guys, i have to keep this mail intact , so here's my rant. The notion of free market MONOPOLY is not evil , just as we drink Coke occasionally althought its not a health drink .But its about softdrinks, not something as important as a computer operating system where we are in this age of technological importance , in terms of survival of our species. A OS is crtical to our species as what it means to banking ,governance ,democracy and the free world.We are here in the age of globalisation and here is what the issue as nifty as a debate of OS that count.Look at the world today ,its about education and poverty .We in the free world enjoyed much , even me in Malaysia, but what about those in the African continent where flies is more than Africans? Computer is what will lead these unfortunate people to the forefront of world economies.,and we know we will have inter-cultural peace if we have unlucky brethen's who have ACCESS to computer in order to be I.T literate.Then only we have a balanced world of educated friends of the world.Education defecienncy will lead to ignorance and violence.We can't blame poor people who riot and kill , among other things you know . So here is why a responsible company will need to do .If it can't make its system free by self supporting with partnership with other corporate circles and survive on that , then it shouldn't be so expensive as costing a month of labor for a third world citizens to buy M$.He got a family to raise and he got no solution of OS substitution when it come to OS to educate and give his sons and daughters and chance for their future. And M$ is not doing well considering the it make BILLIONS out of our world .I know the U.S supreme court ordered it to do Charity but M$ do it by donating its system at market cost and then just called it a quit, so simple. I can rant forever but other than the moral discontent here , M$ is not a good system after all .For business people , they will pay the license no doubt , but if i am the boss of my shop and then one day my Win98 let me down and i lost my business money by using it becaouse of crash ,virus ,hackers and illegal transmission of my data by my own Win98 OS, then can i bring Microsoft to court ? Surely not .I can go on ranting but we know what all this means. hmmm,,, I think it might be possible to argue that logistical infrasrtucture is and will allways be more imoprtant to the quality of life of humans much more than any method of accounting or communictaition. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
I find this post kind of ridiculous. Why bring partisan politics onto this list? Both the republicans and democrats have shown their poor stances on these topics. Sure a Democrat controlled Senate and a Republican controlled House passed the DMCA. This current republican administration has certainly not shown any great leadership when coming up with its cybersecurity/anti-cyberterrorism policies. The problem is that politicans in this country rely heavily on industry leaders for both their technical information in drawing up policies and political contributions to run their campaigns. These politicians need to be told what the actual computing community and academics in the field believe should be done as well as being in discussion with those industry leaders that they currently rely on. I understand that this is a good forum to discuss how politics will effect the computing community, but bringing partisan politics into this, especially when these issues are receiving bipartisan support of politians, is inappropriate for a technical support list. both republicans and democrats are seeking to grab more power for themselves. any statements to the contrary simply show a poor understanding of how politics currently works in this country. On 25 Oct 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 12:59, David Rankin wrote: God help us. The poor misguided soul that is so easily led by a slick republican marketing campaign. The democrats have in fact fought zealously against allowing an expansion of executive office power contrary to what is claimed below. When you one day awake and can't afford health coverage for your family, And that is the standard Democratic fear mongering mantra that's intoned before every election, another Dem doom and gloom election tactic that's starting to fail, since it's basically bullshat. BTW, tell me what cable or TV channel that the slick republican marketing campaign was broadcast on? CNN? ABC? CBS? BBC? MSNBC? Tell me how they have saturated the airwaves with their slick republican marketing. I am very interested to know, because I believe it is not *I* that has been brainwashed having seen those channels. Power: the dems are not fighting against expansion of executive power, they are fighting for expansion of their own power. The attempted violation of New Jersey election laws by the Democratic party is a prime example of that, as is Stonewall Daschle's block of 50 supreme justice nominees and economic/home defense bills. The fear-doom/gloom-negative campaign mantra is a standard brainwashing tactic of the Dems to retain senior and welfare recipient votes. Same tactic used by MicroSoft: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Congratulations for continuing to promote that trend yourself. find out that your once constitutionaly guaranteed liberties are gone, and that the retirement you thought you had has evaporated, maybe then Freedom: What constitutional liberties have been protected by the Democrats? Let's talk facts here. The DMCA was a bill proposed by DEMOCRAT Senator Friz Hollings of South Carolina right after he got an infusion of cash from Entertainment industry sources and Microsoft(several tens of thousands, if memory serves), and passed by a Democratically controlled Senate. Do you deny that fact? The CBDTPA (Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act) was also introduced by Democrat Hollings. Do you deny that? Today Americans pay 60c on the dollar for every dollar they make in taxes. This was done to us by the pro-goverment Senate-majority Democrats. Do you deny that? What about the attack on the software license behind the Linux operating system ? Do you deny that Democrats are not behind that movement, in light of the following paragraph from the Wired article I posted? Earlier this week, three members of the House of Representatives, Adam Smith (D- Wash.), Ron Kind (D-Wis.) and Jim Davis (D-Fla.), sent a note to 74 Democrats in Congress attacking Linux's GNU General Public License (GPL) as a threat to America's innovation and security. This above is another totally Democratic action. And yet Democrats are protecting our constitutional rights? Exactly what rights are being protected? Your right to work in a Dem -controlled workers (government or otherwise) union? Your right not to be able to defend yourself in your own home? Your right to run only MicroSoft products? Your right to be taxed 60 cents on the dollar for every dollar you make? Your right to be forcefully subjected to a death tax? Your right to be restricted on what songs you play on YOUR computer, or what software you run on YOUR computer? Your right to be forced to delete Linux from your machine? What rights are you talking about here? the veil will be lifted and you will see that in voting (R) you have screwed yourself while thinking you were liking it all along.
[expert] Nvidia runing but: QuakeIII solved
Well, The problem with Quake III (and also doom) was the configuration in 24 bits; I put it at 16 color bits and now both are runing fine. Just need some help to the nvtv output; I will try the options in the nvidia.pdf file about linux installation I downloaded some days ago. -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia E-30100 Murcia España (Spain) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 14:48, Daryl Johnson wrote: In which case remember that this is a world-wide mailing list and, despite the apparent belief of the US that what they want is the same for all of us, it's not. It's not a matter of what they want, because most of us Americans are not egotistical narsissistic egomaniacs with an overwhelming desire to rule the world. I can certainly understand how viewing CBS, ABC, or MSNBC would easily engender hatred for the US; however the liberal media only represents a very small fraction of the American viewpoint, and the liberals defend that leverage almost with their lives. Most of us just have a live and let live policy regarding other peoples. Watching US news media broadcasts would tend to give you the opposite impression, I know. The primary matter of concern here is what is going to happen to YOU if those of us digital rights defenders in the US (who btw have NO CONTROL over the US news media) prove unable to successfully defend the digital freedom flag and it falls. If it does, then you are next, my friend...no matter what *anybody* wants. Go and fight out your political battles on an advocacy group. In a way, this IS an advocacy group, and BTW there will BE no Linux advocacy groups at all if these Dem politicians get their way. If you want to ask for support against DMCA or similar by all means lobby for AMERICAN voters but remember that the American political body doesn't give a shit about the opinions of non-voters ie the rest of the world, so it is a pointless request. The American political body technically includes me as a voter, so you are wrong about us not giving a shat. I care quite a bit about the opinions of my European friends, even if we don't always agree on everything. (Second Amendment rights of the US constitution, for example) The voices of the world matter quite a bit because they can influence their American voter friends. At this time, the leverage that all peoples outside the US is at it's greatest, because there is an election coming up in November. If digital rights and the very existence of Linux is important to you, then the facts and history show that the American Democratic politicians are the enemy. I suggest that if you or any other Europeans have American counterparts, then they need to start encouraging research and voter participation in this matter immediately, before the November voting deadline passes. Just my 2 euros worth. regards Daryl Best Regards LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 17:38, Les Henderson wrote: both republicans and democrats are seeking to grab more power for themselves. any statements to the contrary simply show a poor understanding of how politics currently works in this country. IMO the simplistic statement both republicans and democrats are seeking to grab more power reveals a poor understanding of how politics currently works in this country. The princess of Elaboration is on my side, not yours. I have yet to see a coherent denial of the facts I have presented in this thread concerning the fate and threat to the Linux operating system and free software in general by Democratic politicians. Probably because it would be patently stupid to do so and only other fuzzy responses are workable. Les Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, what is your affiliation with the University of Chicago? Just curious. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] wireless wlan-ng drivers? Any success anyone?
Mcleod, Ian wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:10:19PM +1000 : so the prism2-utils package installs the wlan-ng driver? Do I need to un-install anything else so kismet and other cool applications will work? I've heard the default Mandrake PRISM2 driver is obsolete and does not allow much functionality. That I don't know. Works with my roommate's prism2 wireless equipment. Blue skies... Todd -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Never take no as an answer from someone who's not authorized to say yes. --Ben Reser on Cooker ML Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.19-16mdk msg60054/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
On 25 Oct 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: IMO the simplistic statement both republicans and democrats are seeking to grab more power reveals a poor understanding of how politics currently works in this country. The princess of Elaboration is on my side, not yours. I have yet to see a coherent denial of the facts I have presented in this thread concerning the fate and threat to the Linux operating system and free software in general by Democratic politicians. Probably because it would be patently stupid to do so and only other fuzzy responses are workable. This is an interesting thread. Enough so that I took a look at soft money contributions from some of the larger players. From 1/1/2001 to 12/31/2001, Walt Disney (not exactly on Linux' side) gave US$105,000 to the Democrats. They gave $196,700 to Republicans. The RIAA gave $105,00 to Democrats and $110,530 to Republicans. By and large, Democrats were greased more by the entertainment industry than Republicans. Something on the order of 2/1. I.e., of every dollar donated to Republicans, two were donated to Democrats. Ahh, but look at donations from Microsoft from January 1 to Dec 31 of 2001: Microsoft gave $665,970 to Republicans and $295,000 to Democrats. Looking even further, I see that Microsoft *really* likes Republicans. Reading closer, we see that, almost without exception, the elected officials vote exactly as their top contributors desire. This goes for both Republicans and Democrats. We also see that our elected officials are eager to propose legislation that meets the economic interests of their contributors, and this is also with few exceptions. A quick search shows that machine identification, ostensibly to allow secure digital content, is being backed by Microsoft through many Republicans and several Democrats. Content security is backed mainly through the entertainment industry through Democrats. But Microsoft could use this for software validation to prevent Linux from running on white-box PCs. And now Microsoft and Disney have partnered. Hmmm... One takes care of the Democrats, one takes care of the Republicans. Mo' money for MS and Disney. If you're reading this and think that I have some Rebulican or Democratic bias then a point is proven. I'm frankly sick of how easily money can buy any of them. Source: www.commoncause.org, cnn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RH 8.0 memory leak? MDK 9.0 ok?
First of all, shame on you for not taking this to a gromacs mailing list. Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:24:37PM -0200 : I asked her about that. She's running gromacs (www.gromacs.org), a programme for molecular dynamics. I asked for the commands lines she's executing, but she didn't send me it yet. Assuming the commandline is 'gromacs arg1 arg2 arg3', then have her run 'strace gromacs arg1 arg2 arg3 ~/gromacs.log 21' don't run it for very long because it will grow large very quickly. then process it with 'cat gromacs.log | grep map gromacs2.log' Now look through gromacs2.log and see if there is a pattern of mapping memory and not unmapping it when it's done with it. A return result of 0x is a success. That hexadecimal number is the address of memory of the first byte that was allocated (ie a pointer). Wouldn't hurt to look through gromacs.log to see what all is happening around those memory map and unmap requests. There might be some other obscure failure that's occurring that is causing the program to hang and not complete that portion of its program. More than likely it's just a poorly written program. Blue skies... todd -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.19-16mdk msg60056/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Creating network install bootable cdrom
Lieven Van Acker wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:37:38PM +0200 : the repeatable auto-install (e.g. Kickstart clone) sounds more like what you want, but I have instructions for making a bootable network.img CD on this page: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88 Very nice indeed, but the guy only needed to boot CD2 and he would have been able to do a network install from that. :-/ this is really what I needed. I discovered some other interesting issues in your article. Great work! Never forget that there is more than one way to get around a problem. :) Blue skies... todd -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.19-16mdk msg60057/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
Lyvim Xaphir wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:15:18PM -0400 : I've written before about the relationship between the Democrats and the Entertainment industry (RIAA, etc) and the havoc they are wreaking with our digital rights (DMCA [Digital Millennium Copyright Act], CBDTA [Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act]). For those I agree that this is worthy of being talked about... but not here. Move this discussion elsewhere. This thread is not appropriate for a technical mailing list. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.19-16mdk msg60058/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Making an optimized kernel
ddc_prueba wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 08:06:02PM +0200 : This is mainly curiosity but... when I compile kernel sources they go just fine, but if I change the optimization level -O2 to -O3 in the root source Makefile it does NOT success in making modules part. The error Can anyone explain WHY??? The gcc compiler makes shortcuts, but it doesn't know how to handle the code that is being fed to it. Blue skies... Todd -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.19-16mdk msg60059/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] wireless access point drivers
Anyone know which driver to use with a Netgear ME102? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
Todd Lyons wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:15:18PM -0400 : I've written before about the relationship between the Democrats and the Entertainment industry (RIAA, etc) and the havoc they are wreaking with our digital rights (DMCA [Digital Millennium Copyright Act], CBDTA [Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act]). For those I agree that this is worthy of being talked about... but not here. Move this discussion elsewhere. This thread is not appropriate for a technical mailing list. Todd, I disagree with your assessment. After over three years on this list, I can unequivocally say that you would be hard-pressed to call this list a technical or even expert mailing list. When issues of I lost my root password or how do I create a desktop icon are discussed ad nauseam, we have ceased from being anything but a place for the exchange of ideas, albeit Linux ideas, which is okay too. I have seen, and read with great incredulity, that only about ten to fifteen percent of the posts to this list are of a technical or expert nature. I, for one, think that the future of the open source movement, particularly Linux, is of great concern to this list, and therefore this thread is appropriate to this venue. LX has shared some concerns with us, and it is good to be aware of any source of opposition to the freedom of choice, as it affects are computer endeavors . Kwan (good job) has given us some statistics to ponder. Lighten up, dude, it is all in the nature of being human. Besides, if you are not carefull, we will mutiny, and demand the return of civileme :-) drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:00:39 +0200, Oliver Thieke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ? + C#:heavily influenced by SUN's Java + GUI: invented by PARC Xerox spread by Apple Mac + Win NT:based on co-development with IBM (OS/2) + Office Apps: invented by VisiCalc + TCP/IP:invented by DARPA spread by UX + Web: invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC), first denied an neglected by M$... + User Admin (ADS): clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP + Authetification: based on Kerberos (ADS) + SMB/CIFS: original SMB protocol introduced by IBM + MS SQL:Sybase clone SQL Server is based on technology originally bought from Sybase. Excel, PowerPoint, Visio and many others were bought also. IE is based on NCSA Mosaic. More can be found at http://www.taikahn.com/mssucks.html -- Sridhar Dhanapalan [Yama] Recently I bought Office XP. It was quite unpleasant feeling giving so much money for so buggy product. ... Solution: Uninstall Office XP and Windows. -- Georgi Guninski, security expert, http://www.guninski.com, 2001-07-12 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
J. Craig Woods grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Todd Lyons wrote: I agree that this is worthy of being talked about... but not here. Move this discussion elsewhere. This thread is not appropriate for a technical mailing list. Todd, I disagree with your assessment. [etc] IMO, you're out of line, Craig. When the administrator of a mailing list says that a discussion thread is off topic for the list and asks that the discussion be moved elsewhere, you do it. You don't argue with him or her about it. I also happen to agree with Todd (though even if I disagreed with him, I would still be making the above statement). This is *not* a political forum. If I had wanted political discussion(s), I would have signed up for such a list. I didn't, I therefor don't want it, and those of you dragging out the discussion are wasting my (and everyone else's) bandwidth droning on and on about something that's outside the purview of this list. Yes, it *is* an important matter. And there are more appropriate forums for discussing it in depth. --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla bug
On Saturday 26 October 2002 00:26, you wrote: the quick fix was to delete the contents of ~/.mozilla (make sure your mails are not in there though). Quick, but unsafe - as you noted! Instead just mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.old, then move stuff back until it crashes again. (you don't have to move the all the stuff back - cache files spring to mind) -- john in sydney = Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel version: 2.4.18-8.1mdk Uptime: 70 days 16 hours 31 minutes = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 22:20, David Guntner wrote: J. Craig Woods grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Todd, I disagree with your assessment. [etc] IMO, you're out of line, Craig. When the administrator of a mailing list says that a discussion thread is off topic for the list and asks that the discussion be moved elsewhere, you do it. You don't argue with him or her about it. First of all, I don't see Dr John as being in an argument. He stated his opinion of Todd's executive order, as is his right. Second, if you are so all fired blown up about this thread and moving the discussion elsewhere, then it seems that you would have posted this message to Dr John privately. You did not do that; therefore you yourself are inconsistent with your own statements, as you are now an unnecessary participant in said discussion. I also happen to agree with Todd (though even if I disagreed with him, I would still be making the above statement). This is *not* a political forum. Perhaps not. But it IS A LINUX FORUM. And without Linux, there will be no linux forums. SNIP rest of blah. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 18:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP By and large, Democrats were greased more by the entertainment industry than Republicans. Something on the order of 2/1. I.e., of every dollar donated to Republicans, two were donated to Democrats. Ahh, but look at donations from Microsoft from January 1 to Dec 31 of 2001: Microsoft gave $665,970 to Republicans and $295,000 to Democrats. Looking even further, I see that Microsoft *really* likes Republicans. The donations between Jan 1 to Dec 31 of 2001 most probably influenced the outcome of the DOJ trial against Microsoft. So I agree that Microsoft loved the Republicans *at that time*. Reading closer, we see that, almost without exception, the elected officials vote exactly as their top contributors desire. This goes for both Republicans and Democrats. We also see that our elected officials are eager to propose legislation that meets the economic interests of their contributors, and this is also with few exceptions. This is a good point. And it means that we need to vote out of office anyone that promotes stuff like the DMCA or CBDTPA; be they Rep or Dem. Right now it's mainly Dems. A quick search shows that machine identification, ostensibly to allow secure digital content, is being backed by Microsoft through many Republicans and several Democrats. Content security is backed mainly through the entertainment industry through Democrats. But Microsoft could use this for software validation to prevent Linux from running on white-box PCs. And now Microsoft and Disney have partnered. Hmmm... One takes care of the Democrats, one takes care of the Republicans. Mo' money for MS and Disney. If you're reading this and think that I have some Rebulican or Democratic bias then a point is proven. I'm frankly sick of how easily money can buy any of them. Source: www.commoncause.org, cnn.com Thank you for a meaningful, insightful, and informative response. Best Regards, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] rpm build issues, rpm -ba or -bb does not build binary .rpm file, src is OK.
I'm finishing up testing an RPM build, and having issues. This is the 5th or 6th test
build I've done, all prior have created the .src.rpm and binary .rpm 's fine. Now,
after making changes to the specfile the binary rpm has ceased to be created. The
only change made was to add the %changelog section, I've double checked everything and
it looks fine.
I cannot even build binaries from the src.rpm with rpm --rebuild {name}.
rpm -ba creates only the src file, with no attempt made to write the binary. rpm -bb
completes the whole thing, with no errors and then removes the source tree (--clean).
Below is the end of an rpm -ba --clean courier.spec that exits clean, but doesn't
write the -mdk.rpm
~~
Cleaning files...done
Compressing files...done
Stripping files...done
Relativisation of symlinks...done
Clean perl...done
Building libraries symlinks...done
Fixing pam.d config files...done
Wrote: /home/estair/rpm/SRPMS/courier-0.40.0.20021025.1-.1mdk.src.rpm
Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /home/estair/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.46476
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/estair/rpm/BUILD
+ rm -rf courier-0.40.0.20021025.1
+ exit 0
~~
I can't get it back to the previous state. Can anyone point me in the right
direction?
Thanks,
/eli
--
CAUTION: Repeated use of finger can cause a system to become overloaded, which can
cause it to stop responding.
--Infinite wisdom from the font that is ISS 6.2.1
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Re: [expert] Root login timeout
Hi Dianne, logging out happens for root and other users. Leaving it at a login prompt and not logging in, it recycles the login prompt with another. So if you login and do nothing it logs out after a 15 minutes. This behavior did not happen in 8.2, its only in 9. Gary. On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 00:09, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: hi gary not sure what is really happening on your system. i dont have a serial dumb terminal to simulate it. but maybe i can help you troubleshoot whats causing it. and i think it has nothing to do with agetty since you already passed stage after you logged in. the problem could be some setting after you logged in. does the logging out only happen to root user? are you logged-out by the system even if you dont run the menu script you mentioned? have you checked that menu script whether it has a timeout set? hth dianne --- Gary Hodder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dianne, I have checked checked bash --verbose and TMOUT=0 The timeout only happens on the dumb terminal plugged in via a serial port and not on the console. Have tried adding a long timeout on the agetty command line in inattab with no luck. What else can I try? Thanks Gary. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LM 9.0 XFCE is broken?
On 24 Oct 2002 16:32:18 -0700 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 16:19, Joseph Braddock wrote: Has anyone been able to get XFCE working in LM 9.0? The rpm installs fine, but any type of configuration changes generates an error message about not being able to create some file. Any help would be appreciated. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com worked for me out of the box. That sort of error usually means you've fouled up permissions or environment variables or deleted .xfce -- for instance, I've gotten that error by running sudo xfdiff when root had no ~/.xfce directory. Try this: cd ~ cp -a .xfce .xfce-old xfce_upgrade -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Thanks, that did it! I'm not sure exactly what I did to trash it, but it works now. One more question, is there a way to get the mandrake menus to work with XFCE? It automatically picks up KDE and Gnome menus, but any alterations to the mandrake menus through menudrake are missing. Once again, thanks for the fix. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Creating network install bootable cdrom
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 16:44, Todd Lyons wrote: Lieven Van Acker wrote on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:37:38PM +0200 : the repeatable auto-install (e.g. Kickstart clone) sounds more like what you want, but I have instructions for making a bootable network.img CD on this page: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88 Very nice indeed, but the guy only needed to boot CD2 and he would have been able to do a network install from that. :-/ Out of curiosity, is that documented somewhere? It's not exactly intuitive, since usually a multi-volume installation set has nothing but packages on the later volumes. I downloaded the ISOs, so didn't read the manual :-) Never forget that there is more than one way to get around a problem. :) hear, hear! Blue skies... todd -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.19-16mdk -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LM 9.0 XFCE is broken?
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 21:36, Joseph Braddock wrote: snip Thanks, that did it! I'm not sure exactly what I did to trash it, but it works now. One more question, is there a way to get the mandrake menus to work with XFCE? It automatically picks up KDE and Gnome menus, but any alterations to the mandrake menus through menudrake are missing. Once again, thanks for the fix. Joeb I haven't found one, but you might ask on the XFce list: see http://www.xfce.org. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kmail spellcheck
i get the following erro when i try to spell check in kmail 1.4.3 using kde 3.0.3: ISpell/Aspell could not be started. Please make sure you have ISpell or Aspell properly configured and in your PATH. both of these are in /usr/bin so i don't see how my path is a prob, they are all -rwxr-xr-x and are executable, what am i missing? bascule -- Worlds of belief, she [Susan] thought. Just like oysters. A little piece of shit gets in and then a pearl grows around it. (Hogfather) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wish for 9.1
i miss this too, i did some googling and noticing a turbolinux result i checked and kdebase-3.1-0.beta2.16mdk.i586.rpm has htdig as a requires unlike kdebase-3.0.3-68mdk.i586.rpm which is what comes with my 9.0, maybe it's getting put back in? bascule On Friday 25 Oct 2002 7:58 am, Jim C wrote: The point was that they did away with the extra functionality that made it a really useful tool in it's own right, i.e. the ability to search ANY documentation. -- 'They were myths and they were real,' he said loudly. 'Both a wave and a particle.' (Guards! Guards!) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
There is still hope as Linux is now a global system of multi-racial and lingual , it span from Scandinavia's ,Europe and Asia. I would not see the end of true computing freedom of Linux because Japan's Laser Linux and China's RedFlag Linux is mean for their population and this will add to the overall bargaining power of free choice and when add up together , we got more people on Earth than Americans.,But this does not means that Americans should watch Tv till kingdom come , instead they should be more wise as not be what you guys called Walmart syndrome and care no less in life. Some of you guys is not rich either and then you will know that planet Earth still retain a free choice in computing and basic life value of freedom of choice, and espionage by criminal minded firm.Well guys and gals, i am not rich and i will not be able to support a family of 4 and then pay license of hundreds of $$ for each of the machines and this no mean either than i suppurt Linux because its free for me , but rather we know what will come if a commercial system is gaining into political power. Such thing will not happen with Linux as states are adopting them too . You know what? , Malaysian government will be starting to have our own version of Linux under the Multi-Media Super Corridor program and i see that is a good way to beat the American system of world domination. Btw, i started with MDK 7 and the passage of configuring Netconf let me know many things in a short 3 months that i cant learn from using M$ even after 5 yrs. Choong Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 12:59, David Rankin wrote: God help us. The poor misguided soul that is so easily led by a slick republican marketing campaign. The democrats have in fact fought zealously against allowing an expansion of executive office power contrary to what is claimed below. When you one day awake and can't afford health coverage for your family, And that is the standard Democratic fear mongering mantra that's intoned before every election, another Dem doom and gloom election tactic that's starting to fail, since it's basically bullshat. BTW, tell me what cable or TV channel that the slick republican marketing campaign was broadcast on? CNN? ABC? CBS? BBC? MSNBC? Tell me how they have saturated the airwaves with their slick republican marketing. I am very interested to know, because I believe it is not *I* that has been brainwashed having seen those channels. Power: the dems are not fighting against expansion of executive power, they are fighting for expansion of their own power. The attempted violation of New Jersey election laws by the Democratic party is a prime example of that, as is Stonewall Daschle's block of 50 supreme justice nominees and economic/home defense bills. The fear-doom/gloom-negative campaign mantra is a standard brainwashing tactic of the Dems to retain senior and welfare recipient votes. Same tactic used by MicroSoft: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Congratulations for continuing to promote that trend yourself. find out that your once constitutionaly guaranteed liberties are gone, and that the retirement you thought you had has evaporated, maybe then Freedom: What constitutional liberties have been protected by the Democrats? Let's talk facts here. The DMCA was a bill proposed by DEMOCRAT Senator Friz Hollings of South Carolina right after he got an infusion of cash from Entertainment industry sources and Microsoft(several tens of thousands, if memory serves), and passed by a Democratically controlled Senate. Do you deny that fact? The CBDTPA (Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act) was also introduced by Democrat Hollings. Do you deny that? Today Americans pay 60c on the dollar for every dollar they make in taxes. This was done to us by the pro-goverment Senate-majority Democrats. Do you deny that? What about the attack on the software license behind the Linux operating system ? Do you deny that Democrats are not behind that movement, in light of the following paragraph from the Wired article I posted? Earlier this week, three members of the House of Representatives, Adam Smith (D- Wash.), Ron Kind (D-Wis.) and Jim Davis (D-Fla.), sent a note to 74 Democrats in Congress attacking Linux's GNU General Public License (GPL) as a threat to America's innovation and security. This above is another totally Democratic action. And yet Democrats are protecting our constitutional rights? Exactly what rights are being protected? Your right to work in a Dem -controlled workers (government or otherwise) union? Your right not to be able to defend yourself in your own home? Your right to run only MicroSoft products? Your right to be taxed 60 cents on the dollar for every dollar you make? Your right to be forcefully subjected to a death tax? Your right to be restricted on what songs you play on YOUR computer, or what software you run on YOUR computer? Your
Re: [expert] mozilla bug
John Haywood wrote: Instead just mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.old, then move stuff back until it crashes again. (you don't have to move the all the stuff back - cache files spring to mind) I suspect the bug will reappear with this. But should we care if it works 8) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)
Yes, you are right but i has been raise up in a third world condition untill now that we are in good shape nationally speaking but in a nation , your meaning of infrastructure will encompass telcos and here is why a free choice of OS mean a lot. So is solar power technology.In my childhood experiences , telephone is the first to make inroad to rural folks other than electricity and motorway linkage is the last one that count in . ET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm,,, I think it might be possible to argue that logistical infrasrtucture is and will allways be more imoprtant to the quality of life of humans much more than any method of accounting or communictaition. __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Creating network install bootable cdrom
Hi, is there a way to create an iso9660 equivalent of the network.img bootable install disk? We have quite a number of workstations to install in our school, but a lot of floppydrives suffer from wear. This is how I want to rollout: 0. Create a bootable CD from network install floppy image 1. Install from network from a bootable CD containing the network install image. 2. Generate an autoinstall floppy 3. Generate a second iso image containing auto-install info 4. Use the second CD to automate installation on other workstations. The only question remaining is how to convert a bootable floppy image to a bootable cd image. Any ideas? Thanks, Lieven Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enemies Purchased by Gates
Udo Rader wrote: hmp. I thought this was a mandrake-linux related mailing-list where (besides some outbreaks of mostly interesting OT threads) such political _nonsense_ has nothing to search. Living in Europe I have neither the possibilities nor time, will or interest who in the States is the alledgedly bad guy. From an European point of view there is not much difference ... So just stop this sort of spamming that is just cheap propaganda. Udo don't worry butt-head...they'll get around to your sorry ass to as soon as they can. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Creating network install bootable cdrom
Hi Jack, On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 17:43, Jack Coates wrote: the repeatable auto-install (e.g. Kickstart clone) sounds more like what you want, but I have instructions for making a bootable network.img CD on this page: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88 this is really what I needed. I discovered some other interesting issues in your article. Great work! Thanks a lot Regards, Lieven Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Creating network install bootable cdrom
Thanks Dianne, I also came to this idea, but it is quite a hassle to disassemble harddisks from about a 100 workstations and then reassemble them. I got some feedback from Jack Coates, on how to create a network boot CD. This is a lot easier to roll-out. Here's my complete setup: I have 1 image-server, containing images of the different computer types (hardware + software config) Each workstation has a dual boot config, defaulting to W2K - needed for some course specific applications. The second boot option is linux, password protected from lilo. I also have an extra partition which stores a local copy of the image of the W2K partition. A normal boot from harddisk defaults to W2K, except when an administrator chooses to boot linux (provided the password), to perform some maintenance tasks (updating images, ..) All workstations are equiped with a bootrom. De boot sequence of a workstations is network, harddisk. CDROM and floppy boot are disabled in the password protected BIOS-setup. The image server is also a dhcp+bootp-server, in which workstations - identified by networkcard MAC-address - can be selectively enabled to boot from network. When network booted, an automatic restore is performed: the network booted linux system finishes init by a script that first checks if the local image is identical to the image stored on the server (using MD5-SUMS), if the local image needs to be updated, the local image is rsynced with the server image, and the up to date local image is copied to the W2K partition. The script finishes up by disabling the network boot entry in the bootp-server en shutting down the workstation. The next time the workstations starts, it's in sync with the image on the imageserver. I'm currently tweaking this setup for performance and do some fine-tuning; also have to deal with domain members that share images; ... But currently, the system is stable and is a great help in maintaining a lot of workstations. Regards, Lieven On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 17:08, Dianne Marie Montesa wrote: hi lieven if the workstations have same configurations like make/model, hard disk, memory, etc ... you can install linux on one system only, then 'dd' the hard disk to the other disks. well you will have to collect the hard disks from all the workstations though. just adding to your ideas dianne --- Lieven Van Acker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, is there a way to create an iso9660 equivalent of the network.img bootable install disk? We have quite a number of workstations to install in our school, but a lot of floppydrives suffer from wear. This is how I want to rollout: 0. Create a bootable CD from network install floppy image 1. Install from network from a bootable CD containing the network install image. 2. Generate an autoinstall floppy 3. Generate a second iso image containing auto-install info 4. Use the second CD to automate installation on other workstations. The only question remaining is how to convert a bootable floppy image to a bootable cd image. Any ideas? Thanks, Lieven Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
