[FairfieldLife] Re: press report on Skelmersdale quotes Paul mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/18/05 5:23 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can only attune your thinking to an enlightened master in his physical presence. Otherwise, what do you have to go on, your fantasy of MMY? Well, around MUM, it various administrators saying Maharishi sez this and that. Why limit it to MUM, Rick? Can you think of ANY part of the Movement where this does NOT happen? No. Since I'm in Fairfield, MUM is the predominant Movement entity in my current experience. Here's a somewhat related story. My wife's sister's husband's brother (got that?) is on MUM staff and loves Contra and English country dancing. There's an active group here consisting of people both on and off campus, TB's and free thinkers. This fellow recently visited by wife's sister and her husband. They asked if he was still dancing. He sort of hung his head and said, No, I can't do that anymore because there are Amma people there. To give MUM the benefit of the doubt, I doubt this was a policy imposed on him. It was probably his own decision. But I'm not sure about that and even if it was his decision, it says something about the mindset of some of the people up there. And it's the single biggest reason why none of Maharishi's grand schemes and plans -- for the enlightenment of the individual or the enlight- enment of the world -- will ever work. In many, if not most traditions, the one spirit- ual trap that is most warned about is elitism and self importance -- the setting up of an us vs. them dichotomy, the belief that the chosen are in some way better or more holy or more spiritual than others. The teachings in this regard are clear. Such a state of mind basically *prohibits* the devel- opment of unity, because the individual who is caught in that state of mind is constantly denying the unity of existence, and attempting to superimpose upon it his or her own superiority. Besides, in this particular case it's remarkably sad, because I've done English Country Dancing myself, and there are very few things that can put a bigger smile on your face. To not be able to dance -- and thus smile -- because you're afraid you'd be mingling with your lessers... talk about instant karma. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Cindy Sheehan is Right!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You otherwise agree with David Duke, don't you? Let me put it another way: I'm not interested in David Duke. I support Cindy Sheehan. You, David Duke, Cindy, Al Gore Sr., and Robert Byrd... Which one of these is not like the others? I would say you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. TM today is what Yogananda's SRF was when I started meditating in 1973: passe and frequented mostly by little old ladies who discuss Yogananda over tea and crumpets... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Let's learn Sanskrit external vowel sandhi: 'a(a)' + 'V(V)'; (2 of 72)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a + a = aa ; e.g. ca + arjuna caarjuna a + i = e ; na + iti neti a + u = o ; puruSa + uttama puruSottama a + R = ar; a/aa + e (= a + i) = *aai ai; tathaa + eva + iti tathaiva + iti tathaiveti Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, people are always free to do what they like, but are you comfortable with advising people so cavalierly to go explicitly against the wishes of the guy who taught them in the first place? If the guy has gone crazy, absolutely. But you're *certain* the's gone crazy? Me? Yeah, I'm pretty convinced of it. Only with this post have I seen the parallel: The Caine Mutiny. The independent TM teachers are mutineers who've done what they've done to save the ship. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046816/ In the book, though -- I don't remember if the movie covers this ground or not -- Queeg is vindicated in the end. In a way. In the movie, the last scene -- after the alleged mutineers triumph at court and are found not guilty -- is the celebration of the acquited and their friends. Then their advocate -- played by Jose Ferrer -- comes in drunk and says that they and himself all let down Queeg because they should have been a friend to him. from http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/caine-mutiny- text.html Keefer quickly said, Speaking, from ignorance, sir, my, understanding is that mental disability is a relative thing. Captain Queeg was a very strict disciplinarian, and extremely meticulous in hunting down the smallest matters, and quite insistent in having his own way in all things. He was not the easiest person in the world to reason with. It wasn't my place to question his judgments, but there were several occasions when I thought he bore down too hard and spent excessive time on small matters. Those are the things that were recorded in the medical log. They were very unpleasant. But to jump from them to a conclusion that the captain was a maniac -I was compelled in all honesty to warn Maryk against doing that. - testimony by officer Keefer Queeg deserved better at my hands. I owed him a favor, 'don't you see? He stopped Hermann Goering from washing his fat behind with my mother. - the attorney Greenwald to the acquitted officers of the Caine Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'We Need More Cindy Sheehan's..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought the sound of Pacifist vs Fascist sounds kind of funny. Can you imagine who would win? And ruling class (something like a monarchy) Hmmm reminds me of the Kennedys, America's Royalty. Thing is that not all lefties are Pacifist. ;-) And the Republicans in the administration don't seem to have one intact testicle among the lot of them. They're good at sending other people off to fight, but with only a couple of exceptions (out of dozens of senior positions) NONE of them ever served in the military themselves. Chickenhawks the whole lot of them, with Bush the biggest motherclucker of the lot. The good thing about the whole Cindy Sheehan saga is that it's pointing out the abject cowardice of George W. Bush. If he had just agreed to meet with her privately, this whole thing would have been over in a flash. They could have had the meeting behind closed doors, and could have put any spin on it they wanted. Instead, George did his usual thing and ran for cover when faced with the possibility of being in the same room with someone who doesn't agree with him. Now he's hosed, because the only way to make her go away IS to meet with her, and on camera. And George really, really, really doesn't do well on camera when talking to someone who hasn't been intimidated into sticking to the script. For those who are interested, here's a *remarkable* interview with George Dubya. An Irish journalist named Carole Coleman did nothing more sinister than ask Bush a couple of tough questions. He reacted on camera by losing his cool, getting red-faced angry, and then reacted afterwards by lodging a formal protest with the Irish embassy and trying to get the reporter fired from her job. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? file=/gate/archive/2004/07/01/worldviews.DTL The video clip on that page doesn't seem to work any more, which is a crying shame because in it you get to see what the President of the United States is really like. He's a coward who, like many cowards, turns into a bully when someone asks him a direct, unscripted question. Bottom line is that the man is TERRIFIED of dealing with people who hasn't been programmed to say the right things and ask the right questions. He's systematically eliminated anyone in his government who *doesn't* abide by the script, and has intimidated the media such that most of them follow the script as well. As far as I can tell intuitively, this isn't just a political thang, it's a real phobia. He has a near- pyschotic inability to deal face-to-face with some- one who isn't a Yes-man. Cindy's fucking with this, big-time, both in the media and by pushing his phobia buttons. Good for her. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
Good grief, it's like talking to a rock. Actually, IME some rocks contain a great deal of enlightenment and are delighted to exchange useful information :-) Is it a matter of focusing attention on the rock, and then listening, or is there more to it than that? I would imagine that the reason more people can't communicate with rocks is the same reason that some people can't communicate here on FFL. You kinda have to respect the other party and assume that it has something to say before you can hear it. :-) This threadlet reminded me of a fascinating Maharishi-ism I remembered the other day that speaks to the issue of whether well-meaning teachers within the TMO can *possibly* influence the direction it is to take in the future. Remember the phrase from Teacher Training, Every question is a perfect opportunity for the answer we have already prepared? Well, duh. In my experience that is *exactly* how Maharishi dealt in the years I was around him with anyone who asked a question he didn't want to deal with or made a comment that he perceived as non-supportive of one of his grand schemes. He didn't even *listen* to the person speaking. The person *could* have been a rock for all the listening Maharishi was doing. He just waited until the person was finished and then repeated the same thing he'd been saying all along, as if repeating it would make the question and the questioner go away. Sadly, usually it did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Good grief, it's like talking to a rock. Actually, IME some rocks contain a great deal of enlightenment and are delighted to exchange useful information :-) Is it a matter of focusing attention on the rock, and then listening, or is there more to it than that? I would imagine that the reason more people can't communicate with rocks is the same reason that some people can't communicate here on FFL. You kinda have to respect the other party and assume that it has something to say before you can hear it. :-) Barry being such a *shining* example of a person who has respect for others... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to- day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM- Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. My Lawyer used exactly the same words I would love to go to the court with this. I did not receive any copies of whatever I had signed. But thanks to my Lawyer I finally got copies. The 1/2 page that I signed on my TTC was also signed by MMY. A very laughable piece of paper. Ingegerd Hi, Ingegerd Is it possible to post a jpg of the 1/2 page agreement. I would love to see it. G TO HIS HOLINESS MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI It is my privilege, Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of SRM, or other TM movement front group which accepts me as such; that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and SRM; that I will never use the teaching except as a teacher in SRM or other organisations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on your work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of Mankind; that as a teacher in SRM. I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between myself and SRM, in writing and, except as agreed in writing I expect to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the love and joy that I receive from the work, by the alleviation of suffering that I may accomplish, and by the Wisdom that I obtain, expound, and cherish. In furtherance of the pledge I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such teaching may be obtained; that such training is secret and unique. I am a link in the chain of organisations that you have founded; and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement, you have laid down the wise rule that I ever cease to teach in SRM or other organisations founded by you for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropiate process from using this secret Teaching of Transcendental Meditation imparted to me. It is my fortune, Guru Dev (the Maharishi's dead master) that I have been accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the Light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your altar, Guru Dev, that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the organisations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me. Jai Guru Dev DATED: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi INITIATOR Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. TM today is what Yogananda's SRF was when I started meditating in 1973: passe and frequented mostly by little old ladies who discuss Yogananda over tea and crumpets... You, and your little old ladies ---. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Danish lama!
On Aug 8, 2005, at 1:39 PM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.lama-ole-nydahl.org/ Is it true that the arrival of Ole Nydahl to Tibet was predicted in some Buddhist text over 1000 years ago!! (The subtitles were in Swedish, I'm not sure if I got it right. Perhaps it referred to Western people in general, not just O.N.) This does not appear in the book that I noticed. It is most likely a misinterpretation of the 8th cent. prophecy of Padmasambhava mentioned at the end of the book that 'when oxen run on wheels (cars/trains) and the iron bird flies everywhere (planes), then the Dharma (Vajrayana/Dzogchen) will go to the land of the white men (actually 'land of the red-face people', i.e. the Americas). In any event, if you want to learn Phowa, Lama Ole is your man. He is an authentic lama of the Karmapa line with great success in transmitting this practice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
Comment below. Gillam: In the book, though -- I don't remember if the movie covers this ground or not -- Queeg is vindicated in the end. shempmcgurk: In a way. In the movie, the last scene -- after the alleged mutineers triumph at court and are found not guilty -- is the celebration of the acquited and their friends. Then their advocate -- played by Jose Ferrer -- comes in drunk and says that they and himself all let down Queeg because they should have been a friend to him. Is that how it played? I want to see that movie again. The quote at the very bottom of this post is by Ferrer's character, Greenwald. He feels bad because men like Queeg -- whom Greenwald humiliated -- were on the front lines against the Nazis, who in turn wanted to turn all the Jews into soap. In what I read at the link below, Greenwald's point is not that the crew should have been a friend to Queeg, but that Queeg deserves respect for being the man on duty when war broke out, and all the rest of the officers who were to meet on the Caine were still in school or otherwise doing their civilian thing. The Caine Mutiny is an interesting metaphor for the TMO because, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded. - patrick --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, people are always free to do what they like, but are you comfortable with advising people so cavalierly to go explicitly against the wishes of the guy who taught them in the first place? If the guy has gone crazy, absolutely. But you're *certain* the's gone crazy? Me? Yeah, I'm pretty convinced of it. Only with this post have I seen the parallel: The Caine Mutiny. The independent TM teachers are mutineers who've done what they've done to save the ship. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046816/ In the book, though -- I don't remember if the movie covers this ground or not -- Queeg is vindicated in the end. In a way. In the movie, the last scene -- after the alleged mutineers triumph at court and are found not guilty -- is the celebration of the acquited and their friends. Then their advocate -- played by Jose Ferrer -- comes in drunk and says that they and himself all let down Queeg because they should have been a friend to him. from http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/caine-mutiny- text.html Keefer quickly said, Speaking, from ignorance, sir, my, understanding is that mental disability is a relative thing. Captain Queeg was a very strict disciplinarian, and extremely meticulous in hunting down the smallest matters, and quite insistent in having his own way in all things. He was not the easiest person in the world to reason with. It wasn't my place to question his judgments, but there were several occasions when I thought he bore down too hard and spent excessive time on small matters. Those are the things that were recorded in the medical log. They were very unpleasant. But to jump from them to a conclusion that the captain was a maniac -I was compelled in all honesty to warn Maryk against doing that. - testimony by officer Keefer Queeg deserved better at my hands. I owed him a favor, 'don't you see? He stopped Hermann Goering from washing his fat behind with my mother. - the attorney Greenwald to the acquitted officers of the Caine Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. This one may not last more than the time it takes to discover that investors are not exactly impressed enough to put their money into a scheme that benefits no one financially except the TM movement (unless you buy the not-exactly-mainstream idea that a few correctly designed buildings in the right places are going to make life better for everyone else). But the trend is clear. No new Grand Scheme in years has emphasized the teaching of TM. They've all been about creating large groups of flyers or large groups of pundits or building new physical structures. I really don't see that changing, even if this latest Grand Scheme goes belly-up tomorrow. I suspect that at this point what one thinks about Maharishi and the future of the TM movement really comes down to a matter of faith. If you believe that he is enlightened, and that the enlightened by definition act in accord with the Laws Of Nature, then you might have some hope for the future of the TMO. If you view him as more of a CEO, formulating business plans for a multimillion- dollar organization and designing Grand Schemes that will determine its future, you might not be convinced that the TMO *has* a future. As with almost everything in the spiritual smorgasbord, your mileage may vary... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It is my fortune, Guru Dev (the Maharishi's dead master) that I have been accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the Light of God to all those who need it Question: did you get this 1/2 page agreement from your attorney or from some anti-TM website? Not that it really matters but I am curious because in the agreement, Guru Dev is referred to as the Maharishi's dead master and I doubt whether (1) the article the would be used to refer to MMY in a TMO document (unless Charlie Lutes wrote it); and (2) Guru Dev would ever be referred to as a dead master in a TMO document. Good catch, Shemp. It almost certainly comes from Trancenet, the parenthetical being John Knapp's cynical editorial interpolation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. Prior to rebuilding the entire world via Vastu, there was Peace Palace Grand Scheme: building several thousand Peace Palaces throughout the world...at about $1 million a Peace Palace, that's about $2-3 billion. I can't remember which came first, but around the time of the Vastu Grand Scheme, there was the $600 billion Agro Grand Scheme. Between Agro and Vastu Grand Schemes there was perhaps a week or so. Between Peace Palace Grand Scheme and either Agro or Vastu Grand Scheme (I can't remember which came first) there was at least a year, no? Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? This one may not last more than the time it takes to discover that investors are not exactly impressed enough to put their money into a scheme that benefits no one financially except the TM movement (unless you buy the not-exactly-mainstream idea that a few correctly designed buildings in the right places are going to make life better for everyone else). But the trend is clear. No new Grand Scheme in years has emphasized the teaching of TM. They've all been about creating large groups of flyers or large groups of pundits or building new physical structures. I really don't see that changing, even if this latest Grand Scheme goes belly-up tomorrow. I suspect that at this point what one thinks about Maharishi and the future of the TM movement really comes down to a matter of faith. If you believe that he is enlightened, and that the enlightened by definition act in accord with the Laws Of Nature, then you might have some hope for the future of the TMO. If you view him as more of a CEO, formulating business plans for a multimillion- dollar organization and designing Grand Schemes that will determine its future, you might not be convinced that the TMO *has* a future. As with almost everything in the spiritual smorgasbord, your mileage may vary... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
on 8/19/05 12:18 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to send all 9 pages on FFL, but I do not have a scanner. If you like I can send it by post. Ingegerd I do, and I have OCR software. If somebody else hasn't already offered to do so, I'll scan it if you send it to me. -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. This one may not last more than the time it takes to discover that investors are not exactly impressed enough to put their money into a scheme that benefits no one financially except the TM movement (unless you buy the not-exactly-mainstream idea that a few correctly designed buildings in the right places are going to make life better for everyone else). But the trend is clear. No new Grand Scheme in years has emphasized the teaching of TM. They've all been about creating large groups of flyers or large groups of pundits or building new physical structures. I really don't see that changing, even if this latest Grand Scheme goes belly-up tomorrow. I suspect that at this point what one thinks about Maharishi and the future of the TM movement really comes down to a matter of faith. If you believe that he is enlightened, and that the enlightened by definition act in accord with the Laws Of Nature, then you might have some hope for the future of the TMO. If you view him as more of a CEO, formulating business plans for a multimillion- dollar organization and designing Grand Schemes that will determine its future, you might not be convinced that the TMO *has* a future. As with almost everything in the spiritual smorgasbord, your mileage may vary... I am beginning to think that these actions by the TMO are really meant to fail. They have the effect of lessening the number of people involved making it easier to sell assets, move money and not raise the interest of investigators. Similar tactics are sometimes used to gut a company. They are unique because they also manage to take in the large donations on the way down - think millionaire's courses and raja's...and the viable timespan for a plan is becoming shorter and shorter. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. The more I read and listen to experts (not AM radio blowhards like Rush and his ilk) the more I realize that democracy coming to Iraq is just some neo-con wet dream. It ain't gonna happen. As soon as we pull-out there is going to be a massive civil war. We can't even stabilize the country with 130,000 troops. We think the Iraquis can? What a joke! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more I read and listen to experts (not AM radio blowhards like Rush and his ilk) the more I realize that democracy coming to Iraq is just some neo-con wet dream. It ain't gonna happen. As soon as we pull-out there is going to be a massive civil war. I'm having a Beavis and Butthead moment here with your imagery, Dr. Pete: Heh heh heh...he said 'blowhard'... Heh heh heh...he said 'coming'... Heh heh heh...he said 'wet dream'... Heh heh heh...he said 'pull out'... Although I'm sure it's unintentional, the metaphors are somehow appropriate for a country America has fucked as thoroughly as it's fucked Iraq. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
On Aug 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Ingegerd wrote: 12. Until the end of 1971 initiators are not allowed to initiate people in the following professions:- 1.Psycho-analysts, psychologists or any associated profession 2.Those practising hypnotism 3.Those very deeply engrossed in Spiritualism (Healers are not in this category) 4.Priests and ministers of religion. They can only be initiated by Maharishi or someone especially appointed by him to handle these cases. 5.Monks 6.The heads of religious organizations 7.The leaders of philosophical or metaphysical groups Wow, that eliminates a lot of people, including some on this list! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 12:18 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to send all 9 pages on FFL, but I do not have a scanner. If you like I can send it by post. Ingegerd I do, and I have OCR software. If somebody else hasn't already offered to do so, I'll scan it if you send it to me. -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 I send it to-morrow. Ingegerd http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Election
We have general election in Norway in September, and I will be busy as electioneer, so I think I have to take a break from FFL for a while. I did not foresee that FFL would take so much time as it does, but it is interesting and fun also. See you later. Jai Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
shempmcgurk wrote: As for being on the front line against the Nazis, my memory is that their boat was in the Pacific, not the Atlantic. Right you are. Greenwald is generalizing from Queeg to all career warriors everywhere. I do remember it being one of the best roles Humphrey Bogart played I read that Ferrer was brilliant in his portrayal of Greenwald, too. The Caine Mutiny is an interesting metaphor for the TMO because, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded. Interesting metaphor. Of course, the crew of the boat had access to Queeg. 99.9% of the troops in the TMO haven't had access to MMY in years OR the ability to interact with him to tell him how they feel about things. Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick O'Brien? They deal with the isolation of the captain. No one to talk to, to confide in. It was against the culture of the service for the captain to solicit input from his officers. The officers didn't offer their opinions, either, nor even speak to the captain unless spoken to. I wonder if those taboos continue to this day. Any naval veterans here to speak to that? In The Caine Mutiny, there sure as heck isn't any fraternization between Queeg and his officers. And from what Rick and others have reported, Maharishi doesn't brook opposing opinions either. So access is only part of the problem. - Patrick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
The real question is why does America think that it has a right to bring democracy to Iraq, or to anywhere else for that matter. We have no such right. Iraq needs a strong ruler; it was better off under Saddam Hussein. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Padmaasanam, destroyer of all sins?
Well, uurvor upari ced dhatte ubhe paada-tale yathaa, padmaasanam etad bhavet *sarva- paapa-praNaashanam! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. The more I read and listen to experts (not AM radio blowhards like Rush and his ilk) the more I realize that democracy coming to Iraq is just some neo-con wet dream. It ain't gonna happen. As soon as we pull-out there is going to be a massive civil war. We can't even stabilize the country with 130,000 troops. We think the Iraquis can? What a joke! I am always suspicious when our government decides that a selected country must be democratic. If you look at ANY example, it is always about us; some strategic advantage, in this case clearly oil. 'Democracy' is just the new name for imperialism in the Middle East. After all, what would happen if the government began explaining the real reasons they did things? A whole lot of self-interest would come parading out of the closet. I've also heard our government explaining its foreign intiatives as 'enlightened self-interest'- just need more enligntenment in the equation. Less enlightenment = more lies. Iraqi democracy has nothing to do with Iraqis. It is all about us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real question is why does America think that it has a right to bring democracy to Iraq, or to anywhere else for that matter. We have no such right. Iraq needs a strong ruler; it was better off under Saddam Hussein. It's one thing to try to impose democracy; it's quite another to remove the obstacles to it. Iraqis do seem to want it, judging by their participation in the elections. And while they may complain that they were better off under Saddam in terms of basic services and so on--the problems with which are largely our fault--it isn't clear they'd want to go back to him. I'd worry that the only kind of strong ruler who could emerge would be one the U.S. would put in power. I'm not sure there are any potential strong men who could rule Iraq *and* resist U.S. attempts at control. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Best spiritual films of the year
Title: Best spiritual films of the year Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries Finding Neverland Maria Full of Grace Hotel Rwanda A Very Long Engagement Osama I Heart Huckabees House of Flying Daggers Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind Goodbye, Lenin! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'We Need More Cindy Sheehan's..
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought the sound of Pacifist vs Fascist sounds kind of funny. Can you imagine who would win? And ruling class (something like a monarchy) Hmmm reminds me of the Kennedys, America's Royalty. Thing is that not all lefties are Pacifist. ;-) And the Republicans in the administration don't seem to have one intact testicle among the lot of them. They're good at sending other people off to fight, but with only a couple of exceptions (out of dozens of senior positions) NONE of them ever served in the military themselves. Chickenhawks the whole lot of them, with Bush the biggest motherclucker of the lot. The good thing about the whole Cindy Sheehan saga is that it's pointing out the abject cowardice of George W. Bush. If he had just agreed to meet with her privately, this whole thing would have been over in a flash. They could have had the meeting behind closed doors, and could have put any spin on it they wanted. Instead, George did his usual thing and ran for cover when faced with the possibility of being in the same room with someone who doesn't agree with him. Now he's hosed, because the only way to make her go away IS to meet with her, and on camera. And George really, really, really doesn't do well on camera when talking to someone who hasn't been intimidated into sticking to the script. For those who are interested, here's a *remarkable* interview with George Dubya. An Irish journalist named Carole Coleman did nothing more sinister than ask Bush a couple of tough questions. He reacted on camera by losing his cool, getting red-faced angry, and then reacted afterwards by lodging a formal protest with the Irish embassy and trying to get the reporter fired from her job. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? file=/gate/archive/2004/07/01/worldviews.DTL The video clip on that page doesn't seem to work any more, which is a crying shame because in it you get to see what the President of the United States is really like. He's a coward who, like many cowards, turns into a bully when someone asks him a direct, unscripted question. Bottom line is that the man is TERRIFIED of dealing with people who hasn't been programmed to say the right things and ask the right questions. He's systematically eliminated anyone in his government who *doesn't* abide by the script, and has intimidated the media such that most of them follow the script as well. As far as I can tell intuitively, this isn't just a political thang, it's a real phobia. He has a near- pyschotic inability to deal face-to-face with some- one who isn't a Yes-man. Cindy's fucking with this, big-time, both in the media and by pushing his phobia buttons. Good for her. There were some reports in recent days that the Secret Service has code words based on weather conditions for Bush's mental state such as tornado, blue skies, etc. Much of this reminds me of the movie Downfall which was recently released on DVD and characterizes Hitler's final days and his tirades. I believe that Sheehan has had some good help getting where she is. I noted when watching the video of the Conyer's hearing that a former CIA analyst who followed her testimony praised her efforts. Remember that many CIA and former CIA employees are at war with the NeoCons (and have been for decades). I stated over on a.m.t a couple years ago that Bush making enemies with the CIA could have disastrous consequences and it seems the chicken has come home to roost. ;-) The history of the NeoCons is well documented in The Power of Nightmares a great BBC documentary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
In a message dated 8/18/05 8:01:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a look here, please:http://www.schube.org/Hypocrites.aspx Judy, I read your web site titled Hypocrites. Did you? I found about 14 quotes made in the national media, the rest in local new papers and occasional press releases, and a few were duplicates. Out of the 14 in national media, few were harshly critical of the Clinton administration ,most asked questions or had a personal comment which should have been easily answered.None with the exception of maybe a few by Delay and one or two by Pat Buchanan took on a more critical tone. Pat Buchanan's comments on Meet the Press dated 4/25/99 being the harshest. However I find it hard to even compare these few comments by Republicansto be anywhere close to the number or quality of rhetoric that we have found spewed and eagerly reported from the left by the mainstream national media today. During the war in Kosovo we didn't see an organized effort to stop it or discredit it like we see now although the case could have been made and not many people wanted our involvement in itfrom the get go. The fact is we went to Kosovo based on a lie. Remember, we went there to stop the ethnic cleansing of the Albanian nationals by ethnic Serbs. When all was said and done I can only recall one mass grave being found which contained about 24 KLA terrorists that had been caught and executed. We the public had been convinced there were numerous mass graves with hundreds if not thousands of dead in them and we had to stop the mass murder. Now it turns out the Albanians( Muslims, some with ties to Al Qaeda)have been suppressing the ethnic Serbs driving them away from their homes and villages they have lived in for hundreds of years. All we accomplished was taking a region away from one group of people and giving it to another who never lived there as a majority in the first place. Now you have Albanian nationals pouring into Kosovo like Mexicans into Arizona. As I recall we were all told by the Clinton administration that our troops would be home by Christmas. Trouble is, he didn't say WHICH Christmas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Abortion question on FFL
Rick Archer wrote: Sent to me by a lurker: Rick, When I was on staff at Livingston Manor in 1973 a meditator got pregnant. Her boyfriend, who was an initiator close to Maharishi, asked Maharishi about abortion. Maharishi at that time said that the soul doesn't enter the body until 3 months after conception. She went ahead with the abortion. I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body on the first breathe (pran). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
Saddam Hussein was our natural ally in the Middle East, as far as fighting Islamic terrorism is concerned. Hussein repeatedly tried to improve relations with the US during the 1990s, but the Clinton Administration was not interested. Hussein, unlike what we are told these days, did not regard the US as a permanent enemy. After all, he was our guy during the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran, our enemy. Now, when Iran is once again emerging (at least in the eyes of the neocons) as the big threat in the Middle East, we could use a powerful, pro-US dictator in Iraq, instead of an Iranian puppet state which is the most likely outcome of the current mess. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real question is why does America think that it has a right to bring democracy to Iraq, or to anywhere else for that matter. We have no such right. Iraq needs a strong ruler; it was better off under Saddam Hussein. It's one thing to try to impose democracy; it's quite another to remove the obstacles to it. Iraqis do seem to want it, judging by their participation in the elections. And while they may complain that they were better off under Saddam in terms of basic services and so on--the problems with which are largely our fault--it isn't clear they'd want to go back to him. I'd worry that the only kind of strong ruler who could emerge would be one the U.S. would put in power. I'm not sure there are any potential strong men who could rule Iraq *and* resist U.S. attempts at control. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries * Finding Neverland * Maria Full of Grace * Hotel Rwanda A Very Long Engagement * Osama I Heart Huckabees House of Flying Daggers Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind * Goodbye, Lenin! * Cool. Thanks for posting this. I've seen the ones starred above, and agree with the commendation. If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'We Need More Cindy Sheehan's..
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought the sound of Pacifist vs Fascist sounds kind of funny. Can you imagine who would win? And ruling class (something like a monarchy) Hmmm reminds me of the Kennedys, America's Royalty. Thing is that not all lefties are Pacifist. ;-) And the Republicans in the administration don't seem to have one intact testicle among the lot of them. They're good at sending other people off to fight, but with only a couple of exceptions (out of dozens of senior positions) NONE of them ever served in the military themselves. Chickenhawks the whole lot of them, with Bush the biggest motherclucker of the lot. The good thing about the whole Cindy Sheehan saga is that it's pointing out the abject cowardice of George W. Bush. If he had just agreed to meet with her privately, this whole thing would have been over in a flash. They could have had the meeting behind closed doors, and could have put any spin on it they wanted. Instead, George did his usual thing and ran for cover when faced with the possibility of being in the same room with someone who doesn't agree with him. Now he's hosed, because the only way to make her go away IS to meet with her, and on camera. And George really, really, really doesn't do well on camera when talking to someone who hasn't been intimidated into sticking to the script. For those who are interested, here's a *remarkable* interview with George Dubya. An Irish journalist named Carole Coleman did nothing more sinister than ask Bush a couple of tough questions. He reacted on camera by losing his cool, getting red-faced angry, and then reacted afterwards by lodging a formal protest with the Irish embassy and trying to get the reporter fired from her job. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? file=/gate/archive/2004/07/01/worldviews.DTL The video clip on that page doesn't seem to work any more, which is a crying shame because in it you get to see what the President of the United States is really like. He's a coward who, like many cowards, turns into a bully when someone asks him a direct, unscripted question. Bottom line is that the man is TERRIFIED of dealing with people who hasn't been programmed to say the right things and ask the right questions. He's systematically eliminated anyone in his government who *doesn't* abide by the script, and has intimidated the media such that most of them follow the script as well. As far as I can tell intuitively, this isn't just a political thang, it's a real phobia. He has a near- pyschotic inability to deal face-to-face with some- one who isn't a Yes-man. Cindy's fucking with this, big-time, both in the media and by pushing his phobia buttons. Good for her. BTW, the interview can be seen here: http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0624/primetime/primetime56_1c.smil And an MP3 here: http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/rte-carol-coleman-bush.mp3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Abortion question on FFL
In a message dated 8/19/05 1:15:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body on the first breathe (pran). This is what I heard MMY say. Seems he changes his mind on the idea. I believe Tibetans say at conception. I'm sure everybody has their own opinion. So who is right? Does one err on the side of caution or on the side of convenience? If a society agrees that it begins at birth and the reality is that it begins at conception or somewhere in between, what is the karma for that society to sanction a law that kills the mostinnocent lives by the millions? Letting a few people make this decision for society can be dangerous. That's why I believe our founding fathers said that we derive our unalienable rights, among them Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happinessfrom our Creator, not from men. The right to life was considered an absoluteby our founding fathers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: As for being on the front line against the Nazis, my memory is that their boat was in the Pacific, not the Atlantic. Right you are. Greenwald is generalizing from Queeg to all career warriors everywhere. I do remember it being one of the best roles Humphrey Bogart played I read that Ferrer was brilliant in his portrayal of Greenwald, too. The Caine Mutiny is an interesting metaphor for the TMO because, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded. Interesting metaphor. Of course, the crew of the boat had access to Queeg. 99.9% of the troops in the TMO haven't had access to MMY in years OR the ability to interact with him to tell him how they feel about things. Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick O'Brien? Nois he the one that wrote the book Master and Commander made into the Russell Crowe movie? They deal with the isolation of the captain. No one to talk to, to confide in. It was against the culture of the service for the captain to solicit input from his officers. The officers didn't offer their opinions, either, nor even speak to the captain unless spoken to. I wonder if those taboos continue to this day. Any naval veterans here to speak to that? I'm not one, but that more accurately describes Queeg's situation vis a vis The Caine Mutiny. In The Caine Mutiny, there sure as heck isn't any fraternization between Queeg and his officers. And from what Rick and others have reported, Maharishi doesn't brook opposing opinions either. So access is only part of the problem. - Patrick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. The more I read and listen to experts (not AM radio blowhards like Rush and his ilk) the more I realize that democracy coming to Iraq is just some neo-con wet dream. It ain't gonna happen. As soon as we pull-out there is going to be a massive civil war. We can't even stabilize the country with 130,000 troops. We think the Iraquis can? What a joke! I am always suspicious when our government decides that a selected country must be democratic. If you look at ANY example, it is always about us; some strategic advantage, in this case clearly oil. 'Democracy' is just the new name for imperialism in the Middle East. After all, what would happen if the government began explaining the real reasons they did things? A whole lot of self-interest would come parading out of the closet. I've also heard our government explaining its foreign intiatives as 'enlightened self-interest'- just need more enligntenment in the equation. Less enlightenment = more lies. Iraqi democracy has nothing to do with Iraqis. It is all about us. All love is directed towards the Self -- MMY I meet no one but me -- Rev. Ike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass-murderer Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to the reality. Finding Neverland Just okay although anything Johnny Depp does is great just to see him... Maria Full of Grace Best movie of the group although I wouldn't call it more spiritual than any of the others... Hotel Rwanda I didn't go see it because I can't stomach the thought of seeing yet one more movie about a holocaust... A Very Long Engagement Osama I Heart Huckabees I saw this movie solely on the strength that the same director did Flirting with Disaster which is one of the best comedies I've ever seen. I didn't get Huckabees but am willing to give it another chance. House of Flying Daggers Pretty good! Anything with Zhang Ziyi is worth seeing...she's one of the most beautiful women in the world (same girl from Crouching Tiger)... Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind Okay...but why spiritual? Goodbye, Lenin! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: Sent to me by a lurker: Rick, When I was on staff at Livingston Manor in 1973 a meditator got pregnant. Her boyfriend, who was an initiator close to Maharishi, asked Maharishi about abortion. Maharishi at that time said that the soul doesn't enter the body until 3 months after conception. She went ahead with the abortion. I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body on the first breathe (pran). Intuitively, to me, the first breathe is the setting up of your astrological chart because with the first breathe is the imprint of the situation of the stars and planets in the cosmos upon the individual nervous system... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saddam Hussein was our natural ally in the Middle East, as far as fighting Islamic terrorism is concerned. Hussein repeatedly tried to improve relations with the US during the 1990s, but the Clinton Administration was not interested. Hussein, unlike what we are told these days, did not regard the US as a permanent enemy. After all, he was our guy during the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran, our enemy. Now, when Iran is once again emerging (at least in the eyes of the neocons) as the big threat in the Middle East, we could use a powerful, pro-US dictator in Iraq, instead of an Iranian puppet state which is the most likely outcome of the current mess. I also remember reading somewhere that when Saddam first considered invading Kuwait that he did in fact touch base with the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq to let her know his feelings. Somehow there was a miscommunication and Saddam got the impression that the U.S. wouldn't mind if he invaded. And so he did. Anyone else every heard anything on this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real question is why does America think that it has a right to bring democracy to Iraq, or to anywhere else for that matter. We have no such right. Iraq needs a strong ruler; it was better off under Saddam Hussein. It's one thing to try to impose democracy; it's quite another to remove the obstacles to it. Iraqis do seem to want it, judging by their participation in the elections. And while they may complain that they were better off under Saddam in terms of basic services and so on--the problems with which are largely our fault--it isn't clear they'd want to go back to him. I'd worry that the only kind of strong ruler who could emerge would be one the U.S. would put in power. I'm not sure there are any potential strong men who could rule Iraq *and* resist U.S. attempts at control. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, from a friend: As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to me the other day that its like the person driving around the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only advice I can give you is to start from somewhere other than here.' Very well put. Unfortunately, it's too late for us to start from somewhere else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am always suspicious when our government decides that a selected country must be democratic. If you look at ANY example, it is always about us; some strategic advantage, in this case clearly oil. 'Democracy' is just the new name for imperialism in the Middle East. After all, what would happen if the government began explaining the real reasons they did things? A whole lot of self-interest would come parading out of the closet. I've also heard our government explaining its foreign intiatives as 'enlightened self-interest'- just need more enligntenment in the equation. Less enlightenment = more lies. Iraqi democracy has nothing to do with Iraqis. It is all about us. All love is directed towards the Self -- MMY I meet no one but me -- Rev. Ike Absolutely, and we always have a choice about which parts of ourselves we choose to address vs. ignore, and nurture vs. deny. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries * Finding Neverland * Maria Full of Grace * Hotel Rwanda A Very Long Engagement * Osama I Heart Huckabees House of Flying Daggers Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind * Goodbye, Lenin! * Cool. Thanks for posting this. I've seen the ones starred above, and agree with the commendation. If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer... Something weird has happened to me in the last few years: I've found that the best movies I've seen are ones geared towards children with a Bullwinkle bent. What do I mean by a Bullwinkle bent? Bullwinkle was a children's cartoon show from the 1960s that was geared towards children but had a wit and sophistication that could also be enjoyed by adults. The following movies are children's movies that I believe are Bullwinkle movies: Lemony Snicket Cat in the Hat The Grinch that stole Christmas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
In a message dated 8/19/05 2:07:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And so he did.Anyone else every heard anything on this? This is correct shemp, although I'm not sure of all the details. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/05 1:15:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body on the first breathe (pran). This is what I heard MMY say. Seems he changes his mind on the idea. I believe Tibetans say at conception. I'm sure everybody has their own opinion. So who is right? Does one err on the side of caution or on the side of convenience? If a society agrees that it begins at birth and the reality is that it begins at conception or somewhere in between, what is the karma for that society to sanction a law that kills the most innocent lives by the millions? Letting a few people make this decision for society can be dangerous. That's why I believe our founding fathers said that we derive our unalienable rights, among them Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness from our Creator, not from men. The right to life was considered an absolute by our founding fathers. Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. But there is something to be said about erring on the side of caution if one is to take karma into consideration when we discuss the issue of abortion: over 40 million fetuses have been aborted since Roe v. Wade. And that's 40 million potential incarnations of God (man is made in the image of God). And just to inject a political observation here: one of the reasons that liberals have given in the past two presidential elections for NOT voting for George Bush is that when it comes to picking Supreme Court judges that Bush will pick anti-Roe v. Wade judges and the right to abortion will be removed. Well, there's two things to say about that: 1) Roe v. Wade is from 1973. Since those 32 years have passed, we've had 20 years of Republican presidents, all of whom are anti- abortion. Let not one of those 40 million fetuses have been denied the pleasure of being sucked out of their mothers' wombs. 2) Even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, nothing prevents any state from passing their own abortion laws allowing abortion to be legal in their state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 8:01:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a look here, please: http://www.schube.org/Hypocrites.aspx Judy, I read your web site titled Hypocrites. Did you? I found about 14 quotes made in the national media, the rest in local new papers and occasional press releases, and a few were duplicates. I don't have time to do a really thorough check, but I looked again; I did miss the fact that there were a few duplicates; I didn't realize there were two lists, one by category of Republican and one by date. But after weeding those duplicates out, by my count, there were 34 quotes from national media (including television) or major big-city papers like the Houston Chronicle and the Des Moines Register, plus three from the Congressional Record and four from press releases or small newspapers. So I'm not sure how you're counting. In the chronological list, the quotes are almost all from the New York Times, the Washington Post, AP, the Washington Times, and major TV interviews, plus one from NPR; of the 38 quotes, only nine are from other media or the Congressional Record or a press release. Out of the 14 in national media, few were harshly critical of the Clinton administration ,most asked questions or had a personal comment which should have been easily answered. None with the exception of maybe a few by Delay and one or two by Pat Buchanan took on a more critical tone. I think this characterization is utterly absurd, frankly. Most of these are indeed harshly critical. They were also all from national Republican officeholders, including presidential candidates, not pundits or party flacks. And the questions were rhetorical, not requests for explanations or information. Pat Buchanan's comments on Meet the Press dated 4/25/99 being the harshest. However I find it hard to even compare these few comments by Republicans to be anywhere close to the number or quality of rhetoric that we have found spewed and eagerly reported from the left by the mainstream national media today. I'm sorry, but this is *also* absurd. For one thing, as I pointed out, the Balkans war lasted only two and a half months, whereas the Iraq war has dragged on for two and a half *years* with no end in sight, most of it after Bush pranced around in his Top Gun costume on the aircraft carrier under the Mission Accomplished banner, declaring an end to major hostiliites. If the Kosovo war had lasted that long, especially after Clinton had declared victory, the Republicans would have been apoplectic. As it was, they were just getting warmed up. As to the media reporting criticism, the so-called liberal media were mostly cheerleading *for* the Iraq war. It wasn't until it became clear there were no WMD, the insurgency arose, and the American death toll began to mount, that you saw much in the way of criticism in the media. During the war in Kosovo we didn't see an organized effort to stop it or discredit it like we see now although the case could have been made and not many people wanted our involvement in it from the get go. But in the case of the Iraq war, there was a prolonged buildup and then a major ground invasion that we knew was going to take place; there was time to mount an effort against it. Moreover, as ignorant as Americans are of what goes on abroad, we knew a lot more about the situation in Iraq than we did that in the Balkans, partly because we'd been there before. Plus which, we were a lot more personally involved because of 9/11, so people were paying much closer attention. And there had been *very* little opposition to the invasion of Afghanistan, virtually none from prominent Democrats, so it's not as though folks automatically oppose wars started by Republicans. In many respects the Balkans war and the Iraq war are apples and oranges. But the *point* here is that Republicans had no problem criticizing the president publicly while troops were actually fighting, but they've been screaming bloody murder at Democrats who dare to criticize Bush while troops are fighting in Iraq. I don't personally object to anybody criticizing a war while it's going on. It's the Republican hypocrisy I think is disgraceful. The fact is we went to Kosovo based on a lie. Remember, we went there to stop the ethnic cleansing of the Albanian nationals by ethnic Serbs. I'm not up on the details of the war in Kosovo, so I can't comment, except to say that I've seen complex arguments on both sides. Again, my point here is the Republican hypocrisy with regard to criticism, not the case for or against either war. I'd have the very same complaint if I knew enough about the Balkans war to have opposed it as strenuously as I do the Iraq war. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saddam Hussein was our natural ally in the Middle East, as far as fighting Islamic terrorism is concerned. Hussein repeatedly tried to improve relations with the US during the 1990s, but the Clinton Administration was not interested. Hussein, unlike what we are told these days, did not regard the US as a permanent enemy. After all, he was our guy during the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran, our enemy. Now, when Iran is once again emerging (at least in the eyes of the neocons) as the big threat in the Middle East, we could use a powerful, pro-US dictator in Iraq, instead of an Iranian puppet state which is the most likely outcome of the current mess. Well, we certainly seem to have no problems working closely with other murderous dictators to further our own interests. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
On Aug 19, 2005, at 3:04 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Intuitively, to me, the first breathe is the setting up of your astrological chart because with the first breathe is the imprint of the situation of the stars and planets in the cosmos upon the individual nervous system... Exactly. Tibetan and Ayurvedic medicine says that birth begins at sperm-egg fusion--that's when the doshas are established. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 8:01:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a look here, please: http://www.schube.org/Hypocrites.aspx Judy, I read your web site titled Hypocrites. Did you? I found about 14 quotes made in the national media, the rest in local new papers and occasional press releases, and a few were duplicates. I don't have time to do a really thorough check, but I looked again; I did miss the fact that there were a few duplicates; I didn't realize there were two lists, one by category of Republican and one by date. But after weeding those duplicates out, by my count, there were 34 quotes from national media (including television) or major big-city papers like the Houston Chronicle and the Des Moines Register, plus three from the Congressional Record and four from press releases or small newspapers. So I'm not sure how you're counting. In the chronological list, the quotes are almost all from the New York Times, the Washington Post, AP, the Washington Times, and major TV interviews, plus one from NPR; of the 38 quotes, only nine are from other media or the Congressional Record or a press release. Out of the 14 in national media, few were harshly critical of the Clinton administration ,most asked questions or had a personal comment which should have been easily answered. None with the exception of maybe a few by Delay and one or two by Pat Buchanan took on a more critical tone. I think this characterization is utterly absurd, frankly. Most of these are indeed harshly critical. They were also all from national Republican officeholders, including presidential candidates, not pundits or party flacks. And the questions were rhetorical, not requests for explanations or information. Pat Buchanan's comments on Meet the Press dated 4/25/99 being the harshest. However I find it hard to even compare these few comments by Republicans to be anywhere close to the number or quality of rhetoric that we have found spewed and eagerly reported from the left by the mainstream national media today. I'm sorry, but this is *also* absurd. For one thing, as I pointed out, the Balkans war lasted only two and a half months, whereas the Iraq war has dragged on for two and a half *years* with no end in sight, most of it after Bush pranced around in his Top Gun costume on the aircraft carrier under the Mission Accomplished banner, declaring an end to major hostiliites. If the Kosovo war had lasted that long, especially after Clinton had declared victory, the Republicans would have been apoplectic. As it was, they were just getting warmed up. As to the media reporting criticism, the so-called liberal media were mostly cheerleading *for* the Iraq war. It wasn't until it became clear there were no WMD, the insurgency arose, and the American death toll began to mount, that you saw much in the way of criticism in the media. During the war in Kosovo we didn't see an organized effort to stop it or discredit it like we see now although the case could have been made and not many people wanted our involvement in it from the get go. But in the case of the Iraq war, there was a prolonged buildup and then a major ground invasion that we knew was going to take place; there was time to mount an effort against it. Moreover, as ignorant as Americans are of what goes on abroad, we knew a lot more about the situation in Iraq than we did that in the Balkans, partly because we'd been there before. Plus which, we were a lot more personally involved because of 9/11, so people were paying much closer attention. And there had been *very* little opposition to the invasion of Afghanistan, virtually none from prominent Democrats, so it's not as though folks automatically oppose wars started by Republicans. In many respects the Balkans war and the Iraq war are apples and oranges. But the *point* here is that Republicans had no problem criticizing the president publicly while troops were actually fighting, but they've been screaming bloody murder at Democrats who dare to criticize Bush while troops are fighting in Iraq. I don't personally object to anybody criticizing a war while it's going on. It's the Republican hypocrisy I think is disgraceful. The fact is we went to Kosovo based on a lie. Remember, we went there to stop the ethnic cleansing of the Albanian nationals by ethnic Serbs. I'm not up on the details of the war in Kosovo, so I can't comment, except to say that I've seen complex arguments on both sides. Again, my point here is the Republican hypocrisy with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saddam Hussein was our natural ally in the Middle East, as far as fighting Islamic terrorism is concerned. Hussein repeatedly tried to improve relations with the US during the 1990s, but the Clinton Administration was not interested. Hussein, unlike what we are told these days, did not regard the US as a permanent enemy. After all, he was our guy during the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran, our enemy. Now, when Iran is once again emerging (at least in the eyes of the neocons) as the big threat in the Middle East, we could use a powerful, pro-US dictator in Iraq, instead of an Iranian puppet state which is the most likely outcome of the current mess. Well, we certainly seem to have no problems working closely with other murderous dictators to further our own interests. With the exception of that schmuck Jimmy CArter, any time a U.S. president has worked with murderous disctators it has been because the alternative was much worse. If the standard is that the U.S. will only deal with countries that hold a high moral or human rights code, then the list of countries we'd have contact with would be Britain, Luxembourg, and Canada (and Canada is suspect). Jimmy Carter's actions vis a vis Afghanistan and Iran probably contributed to several millions of deaths because of his silly standards. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I also remember reading somewhere that when Saddam first considered invading Kuwait that he did in fact touch base with the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq to let her know his feelings. Somehow there was a miscommunication and Saddam got the impression that the U.S. wouldn't mind if he invaded. And so he did. Anyone else every heard anything on this? That's my understanding, although it's not completely clear to me that it was a miscommunication per se. I think it's not impossible Saddam was set up, although Glaspie may not have known that's what was going on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? There would have been no reason to. There is with Bush. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Nope. Has any Democratic national office holder compared Bush to Hitler or called him the worst terrorist on the planet? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
In a message dated 8/19/05 2:24:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Or call him a liar contriving a war in Hope Arkansas for political gain or intending to steal Kosovo's natural wealth for him and his buddies. This is the kind of rhetoric I'm referring to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Nope. Has any Democratic national office holder compared Bush to Hitler or called him the worst terrorist on the planet? Not that I'm aware of off the top of my head...but, of course, Democrat-sympathizers who are NOT office holders have -- Janeane Garofalo does it on a daily basis, so has Sheehan. I don't think Buchanan is a Republican office holder, is he? Wasn't he one of the ones quoted? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Nope. Has any Democratic national office holder compared Bush to Hitler or called him the worst terrorist on the planet? No representative of the dems has ever compared Bush to Hitler. It was shemp's enlightened guru Maharishi that did that. Dirty tricks-propaganda go on behind the scenes like crazy from both sides to try and influence ignorant minds - when Clinton was in office it was common knowledge among rank and file republicans that clinton was a drug smuggling murderer while gov of Ark. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
In a message dated 8/19/05 2:33:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet?There would have been no reason to. Tell that to the average Serbian To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
In a message dated 8/19/05 2:42:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we certainly seem to have no problems workingclosely with other murderous dictators to furtherour own interests. Geeez, we sound almost as bad as MMY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
In a message dated 8/19/05 2:42:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when Clinton was in officeit was common knowledge among rank and file republicans that clintonwas a drug smuggling murderer while gov of Ark. I had heard the stories, never put much faith in them. But I do believe he raped Juanita Broderick and had a problem exposing himself to and molesting women. Most likely Hillary was the murderer in the family. LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
on 8/19/05 1:34 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries * Finding Neverland * Maria Full of Grace * Hotel Rwanda A Very Long Engagement * Osama I Heart Huckabees House of Flying Daggers Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind * Goodbye, Lenin! * Cool. Thanks for posting this. I've seen the ones starred above, and agree with the commendation. If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer... In addition to the ones you've starred, I've also seen Rwanda and Huckabees. I think you'll like them both. Also see Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring. Don't know why it didn't make this list. How was Goodbye, Lenin!? I haven't seen that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass-murderer Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to the reality. It portrays him as an intelligent, compassionate medical student who relates easily to the common man and the disadvantaged. Hotel Rwanda I didn't go see it because I can't stomach the thought of seeing yet one more movie about a holocaust... I liked it, for what it's worth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Woodlands on ABC
From a friend: Pretty impressive place. 2 floors filled with an oil companywas wondering where the moolah came from! --- The Woodlands Peace Palace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: The Woodlands Peace Palace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Woodlands on ABC Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:02:41 -0500 Dear Meditating Friends, The Press Conference was a big success. The piece done by ABC Channel 13 can be seen online at http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/ . Go down to Featured ABC13 video midway down in the middle. The link is called Palace in The Woodlands promises to promote peace and you can click on the link and view the piece that was aired at 4:45 pm Thursday. The Chronicle is supposed to be doing a story that will appear in Sunday's Business section. Thanks to all those that participated. Sincerely, David and June Humphreys The Woodlands Peace Palace Directors [EMAIL PROTECTED] (281) 362-2100 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How was Goodbye, Lenin!? I haven't seen that. Utterly charming. Like 'Eternal Sunshine,' it plays with the notion of reality and the binding or liberating effect of memory. When his mother comes out of a long coma in 1990, her son thinks he has to protect her from the shock of learning that her beloved East Germany doesn't really exist any more. Much fun ensues. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Sounds like bull to me. :-) But it makes as much sense as bringing about world peace by tearing down all the world's buildings and building new ones. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Nope. Has any Democratic national office holder compared Bush to Hitler or called him the worst terrorist on the planet? Not that I'm aware of off the top of my head...but, of course, Democrat-sympathizers who are NOT office holders have -- Janeane Garofalo does it on a daily basis, so has Sheehan. These quotes were all from Republican office-holders. I don't think you really want to get into what Republicans who weren't office holders called Clinton. I don't think Buchanan is a Republican office holder, is he? Wasn't he one of the ones quoted? Close enough; he was a serious presidential candidate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could understand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
shempmcgurk wrote: Gillam wrote: Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick O'Brien? Nois he the one that wrote the book Master and Commander made into the Russell Crowe movie? The very same. I shoulda referred to the movie, but didn't think of it in favor of being an elitist book snob. - Patrick P.S. The movie was very true to the books. Wonderfully, exceptionally so. Russell Crowe called it a $327 million art film. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
Rick Archer wrote: on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't go see [Hotel Rwanda] because I can't stomach the thought of seeing yet one more movie about a holocaust... I liked it, for what it's worth. It was tough, but the overwhelming impression is of the courage and humanity of one man, Paul Rusesabagina, against a tide of evil. He simply never quit looking for ways to stay alive and keep others that way. Not bad inspiration to have at any time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Nope. Has any Democratic national office holder compared Bush to Hitler or called him the worst terrorist on the planet? No representative of the dems has ever compared Bush to Hitler. ...but remember that the original posts from the other side were NOT just representatives or office holders. They included non office holders such as Sean Hannity who is a media commentator. Non-office holders sympathetic to the Dems have, most definitely, made such comparisons (Sheehan, Garofalo). It was shemp's enlightened guru Maharishi that did that. Dirty tricks-propaganda go on behind the scenes like crazy from both sides to try and influence ignorant minds - when Clinton was in office it was common knowledge among rank and file republicans that clinton was a drug smuggling murderer while gov of Ark. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/05 2:42:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when Clinton was in office it was common knowledge among rank and file republicans that clinton was a drug smuggling murderer while gov of Ark. I had heard the stories, never put much faith in them. But I do believe he raped Juanita Broderick and had a problem exposing himself to and molesting women. Most likely Hillary was the murderer in the family. LOL! Actually, I think it was Chelsea... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Gillam wrote: Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick O'Brien? Nois he the one that wrote the book Master and Commander made into the Russell Crowe movie? The very same. I shoulda referred to the movie, but didn't think of it in favor of being an elitist book snob. - Patrick P.S. The movie was very true to the books. Wonderfully, exceptionally so. Russell Crowe called it a $327 million art film. What a great movie! Like being there... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 1:34 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries * Finding Neverland * Maria Full of Grace * Hotel Rwanda A Very Long Engagement * Osama I Heart Huckabees House of Flying Daggers Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind * Goodbye, Lenin! * Cool. Thanks for posting this. I've seen the ones starred above, and agree with the commendation. If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer... In addition to the ones you've starred, I've also seen Rwanda and Huckabees. I think you'll like them both. Also see Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring. Don't know why it didn't make this list. How was Goodbye, Lenin!? I haven't seen that. Wow. I'm impressed, Rick, that you've seen practically all the movies on the list...am I to assume you saw most of them on DVD? I assume that because, living in Fairfield, I don't think you could see alot of first run films that are mostly independent type films around the Fairfield area. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com http://www.spiritualityhealth.com ) gave awards for the Most Spiritually Literate Films of the Year. Among the winners were The Motorcycle Diaries Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass- murderer Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to the reality. It portrays him as an intelligent, compassionate medical student who relates easily to the common man and the disadvantaged. In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Hotel Rwanda I didn't go see it because I can't stomach the thought of seeing yet one more movie about a holocaust... I liked it, for what it's worth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. There's a movie from 1972 starring Lee Marvin called Prime Cut which I saw as a teenager when it first came out. The opening scene is of a slaughterhouse, shown in great detail. Well, I was put off from eating red meat for about a month as a result of seeing this footage. Nevermind that the killers in the film used the slaughterhouse as a way to dispose of humans they had killed (their meat was mixed in with the saugage); that wasn't what turned me off of red meat...it was the depiction of what goes on in a slaughter house that does. As a result it has always been my contention that if organisations like PETA want to stop the mass consumption of red meat in our society all they have to do is mass distribute DVDs of slaugterhouse activity and that alone will be enough to turn people off red meat. In addition to that, footage of the recent innovation of farming of cattle in confined spaces would also serve the same purpose. I actually have an admiration for hunters. Growing up in a large city I had an innate prejudice against hunters and thought the activity barbaric. When I was about 27, I got a job as a travelling salesman that brought me to homes in many rural areas in Vermont, Maine, the four Canadian maritime provinces and Quebec and Ontario. I visited many homes where the people were hunters. Virtually without exception, the animals that they killed were ALL used for consumption and, for most, the meat represented the only meat they consumed for the year (kept in freezers which they all had). I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip No representative of the dems has ever compared Bush to Hitler. ...but remember that the original posts from the other side were NOT just representatives or office holders. They included non office holders such as Sean Hannity who is a media commentator. Hannity and Buchanan were the *only* two non-office- holders. Buchanan wasn't even on the original list, I don't think, only on the page I found later. Non-office holders sympathetic to the Dems have, most definitely, made such comparisons (Sheehan, Garofalo). Right, both of whom have highly rated radio and TV shows or have been serious presidential candidates. snort Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Gillam wrote: Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick O'Brien? Nois he the one that wrote the book Master and Commander made into the Russell Crowe movie? The very same. I shoulda referred to the movie, but didn't think of it in favor of being an elitist book snob. - Patrick P.S. The movie was very true to the books. Wonderfully, exceptionally so. Russell Crowe called it a $327 million art film. Although his activities in his private life are questionable, I'm almost always impressed by his choice of film roles. His big breakout role was, of course, as the cop in L.A. Confidential but prior to that, Crowe did a film with Bridgette Fonda called Rough Magic that was really wonderful. I recommend it to anyone that can find it on DVD. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
People who are interested in this topic may enjoy reading _Sands of Empire_ by Robert W. Merry. My wife heard him interviewed on public radio's The Diane Rehm Show and got me the book. Merry describes two Big Ideas that have driven Western thought: the Idea of Progress, which holds that the tendency of life is toward more and more, and the Rise of Civilizations, which holds that natural law takes different expressions in different parts of the world. (Love those SCI shorthands!) Each idea has its own ramifications on foreign policy. Current neoconservative policy subscribes to the Idea of Progress with a twist, which is that American capitalism and democracy is the highest point of human development and worthy of being nurtured the world over. It's just a matter of time before the world catches up to us, so why not hurry the transformation along? Merry thinks the current adminstration's thinking is naive crap. Merry makes a case for how useful Saddam would have been in what he calls, frankly, a clash of civilizations with Islam. The way to manage clashes of civilization is for the leading states of the different civilizations to treat with one another and maintain stability. For example, Nixon opened the doors to China as a way to manage that power and offset the Soviets. Merry goes so far as to propose some visionary politician do the same thing with Iran that Nixon did with China. Now that Iraq cannot be the leading power of the Islamic states and Saudia Arabia is vulnerable, we need to work with someone over there. Bush's plan to establish a military presence in the Arab and Muslim world is a recipe for disaster, Merry says, not a plan for enforcing stability and modernism in the region. Merry's thoughts may rub many liberals here the wrong way, but it's the kind of conservative thinking that I, for one, miss among the Republicans. Hard-nosed, pragmatic realism. Not this fantasy world that Wolfowitz passed along to Cheney and Cheney smeared onto Bush. - Patrick Gillam P.S. If anyone here has read Oswald Spengler or Arnold Toynbee, you would dig Merry's _Sands of Empire_. And if you can explain Spengler's more metaphysical flights, I'd love to hear what you think of them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip No representative of the dems has ever compared Bush to Hitler. ...but remember that the original posts from the other side were NOT just representatives or office holders. They included non office holders such as Sean Hannity who is a media commentator. Hannity and Buchanan were the *only* two non-office- holders. Buchanan wasn't even on the original list, I don't think, only on the page I found later. Non-office holders sympathetic to the Dems have, most definitely, made such comparisons (Sheehan, Garofalo). Right, both of whom have highly rated radio and TV shows or have been serious presidential candidates. snort Is that a snort like a piglette? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
shempmcgurk wrote: In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Isn't this typical of ideologues? No violence to great for the higher good? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Scientists bet climate will cool over next decade
Climate change sceptics bet $10,000 on cooler world Russian pair challenge UK expert over global warming David Adam, science correspondent Friday August 19, 2005 The Guardian Two climate change sceptics, who believe the dangers of global warming are overstated, have put their money where their mouth is and bet $10,000 that the planet will cool over the next decade. The Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev have agreed the wager with a British climate expert, James Annan. The pair, based in Irkutsk, at the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics, believe that global temperatures are driven more by changes in the sun's activity than by the emission of greenhouse gases. They say the Earth warms and cools in response to changes in the number and size of sunspots. Most mainstream scientists dismiss the idea, but as the sun is expected to enter a less active phase over the next few decades the Russian duo are confident they will see a drop in global temperatures. Article continues - --- - --- Dr Annan, who works on the Japanese Earth Simulator supercomputer, in Yokohama, said: There isn't much money in climate science and I'm still looking for that gold watch at retirement. A pay-off would be a nice top-up to my pension. To decide who wins the bet, the scientists have agreed to compare the average global surface temperature recorded by a US climate centre between 1998 and 2003, with temperatures they will record between 2012 and 2017. If the temperature drops Dr Annan will stump up the $10,000 (now equivalent to about £5,800) in 2018. If the Earth continues to warm, the money will go the other way. The bet is the latest in an increasingly popular field of scientific wagers, and comes after a string of climate change sceptics have refused challenges to back their controversial ideas with cash. Dr Annan first challenged Richard Lindzen, a meteorologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who is dubious about the extent of human activity influencing the climate. Professor Lindzen had been willing to bet that global temperatures would drop over the next 20 years. No bet was agreed on that; Dr Annan said Prof Lindzen wanted odds of 50-1 against falling temperatures, so would win $10,000 if the Earth cooled but pay out only £200 if it warmed. Seven other prominent climate change sceptics also failed to agree betting terms. In May, during BBC Radio 4's Today programme, the environmental activist and Guardian columnist George Monbiot challenged Myron Ebell, a climate sceptic at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, in Washington DC, to a £5,000 bet. Mr Ebell declined, saying he had four children to put through university and did not want to take risks. Most climate change sceptics dispute the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which suggest that human activity will drive global temperatures up by between 1.4C and 5.8C by the end of the century. Others, such as the Danish economist Bjorn Lomborg, argue that, although global warming is real, there is little we can do to prevent it and that we would be better off trying to adapt to living in an altered climate. Dr Annan said bets like the one he made with the Russian sceptics are one way to confront the ideas. He also suggests setting up a financial-style futures market to allow those with critical stakes in the outcome of climate change to gamble on predictions and hedge against future risk. Betting on sea level rise would have a very real relevance to Pacific islanders, he said. By betting on rapid sea-level rise, they would either be able to stay in their homes at the cost of losing the bet if sea level rise was slow, or would win the bet and have money to pay for sea defences or relocation if sea level rise was rapid. Similar agricultural commodity markets already allow farmers to hedge against bad weather that ruins harvests. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, he was young, innocent, and idealistic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Isn't this typical of ideologues? No violence to great for the higher good? Yes. And most typical of Fidel's and Che's violence and prejudice was how they treated homosexuals, which was to lock them up in concentration camps and generally make their lives miserable. Yet, somehow, it is fashionable today to wear Che T-Shirts and to make movies about his early years, whether it's riding a motorcycle or singing to Madonna and the Perons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
on 8/19/05 3:46 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm impressed, Rick, that you've seen practically all the movies on the list...am I to assume you saw most of them on DVD? I assume that because, living in Fairfield, I don't think you could see alot of first run films that are mostly independent type films around the Fairfield area. Mostly DVD's but we get pretty good stuff at the local theatre - saw The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill recently - and there's a multiplex in Ottumwa. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, he was young, innocent, and idealistic. So was Hitler when he was selling his paintings on the streets of Vienna. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sport I find uncivilized. On the other hand, apparently there are some very serious diseases you can get from wild game, so it may not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may be some nasty karma attached to eating animals, domestic or wild, although probably less if you're a subsistence hunter. I read something somewhere about the *fear* of animals heading into the slaughterhouse, and how this releases toxic hormones that you then ingest when you eat the meat. That would likely be less of a factor too with game, if you're a good shot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sport I find uncivilized. On the other hand, apparently there are some very serious diseases you can get from wild game, so it may not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may be some nasty karma attached to eating animals, domestic or wild, although probably less if you're a subsistence hunter. I read something somewhere about the *fear* of animals heading into the slaughterhouse, and how this releases toxic hormones that you then ingest when you eat the meat. That would likely be less of a factor too with game, if you're a good shot. Temple Grandin, an autistic savant, is considered the world's leading expert on design of slaughterhouses that lessen the stress of being led to slaughter. although a red-meat eater herself, the head of PETA has said she has done more for reducing the suffering of animals than anyone else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi democracy: getting there from here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/05 2:42:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we certainly seem to have no problems working closely with other murderous dictators to further our own interests. Geeez, we sound almost as bad as MMY I learned from Robert Merry's _Sands of Empire_ that this policy of working with thugs when it suits our interests is called conservative interventionism. The idea is to only intervene when and where it serves American interests, and not get hung up on human rights and affairs govered by other sovereign nations, however unsavory they may be. A contrasting approach, liberal interventionism, is what we've attempted to do in Bosnia and Iraq. It's when we impose American standards for pluralism, capitalism and democracy on lands that don't practice them at present. It's the Woodrow Wilson school of making the world safe for democracy. Liberal interventionism is what the neoconservatives have adopted, ironically. It hasn't worked so hot. The remaining philosophies of foreign policy include conservative isolationism and liberal isolationism. In each case, we stay out of foreign affairs altogether. Conservative isolationists pursue that policy because the world is impure and we don't want to sully our affairs with the world's dirt. Liberal isolationists pursue that policy because America is impure and we don't want to sully the world with our dirt. Merry describes a fifth foreign policy, empire, and the problems that go with it, too. When I read about all these policies lined up in a row like that, I had to feel a lot of sympathy for the conservative interventionists. Yes, they treat with reprehensible thugs, but the alternatives suck worse. - patrick gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Sycophancy of acces vs. the Caine Mutiny
Sycophancy for the sake of access vs. the Caine Mutiny, The Caine Mutiny is an interesting metaphor for the TMO because, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded. Interesting metaphor. In The Caine Mutiny, there sure as heck isn't any fraternization between Queeg and his officers. And from what Rick and others have reported, Maharishi doesn't brook opposing opinions either. (ie.,Nankashor, Jerry Jarvis, or Dr. MahaPatra as they got between good-faith TMOrg work inside and the MMY family biz money?) So access is only part of the problem. - Patrick http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68257 TurquoiseB...wrote: What is offensive is that TB TMers can actually listen to these ideas and not see (as can almost *anyone* who lives in the real world) that the person proposing them is completely out of touch with reality. What is offensive is that the TBs do this because they wish to believe that the gentleman who is proposing these insane, unworkable ideas once taught them some- thing they found valuable, and they now feel that they should believe everything he says about anything, just because he says it. , which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68035 Doug writing: What of the culpability in the range of people who`go along'? The TB'ers who more than going along, are facilitating? Like the VC Lorde mayor and wife and others also pitching for MMY raising so many millions of disappearing dollars for MMY? Doing the bidding or carrying the water? Some of the real capable people who take their life's skillfulness and propel the projects. People like an otherwise honorable architect, or pr-man or some of the attorneys, accountants financiers inside let alone the clear front men like a Bevan and D. Jon as principle pitchmen. But also now the Rajas who would buy their titles and position in a charade for 100k or more? There is an elixir to being in their middle with a moral certainty in it. But, is it transparently righteous work? The jury of people voting with their feet seems to be saying: it is not evidently. Could the helmsmen right the ship or should it be taken over from them? Other than the chronic mis-representing of where people's money has gone, is there any real imperative to do anything about the ship as it founders forth? She once was a beautiful sailing ship. Any better conveyance around? SOS? Gen. G.S.Patton supposedly said: Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men. With a commentary: `I cannot count the times I've seen men who should know better than to keep quiet when unjust decisions are being made, decisions that literally affect the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers. These decisions are made, not on the basis of sound military policy, but purely to further the political and personal ambition of officers in high command. Cowardice on the battlefield is disgusting enough. Cowardice in the military planning room is repugnant. It ultimately means the unnecessary death, mutilation, and disfigurement of soldiers for the sake of the commanders. It takes courage to stand up for what is believed to be right and just. Most men seem to lack such courage. Sycophancy for the sake of career is just as deadly as incompetence.' JGD, -Doug And what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: As for being on the front line against the Nazis, my memory is that their boat was in the Pacific, not the Atlantic. Right you are. Greenwald is generalizing from Queeg to all career warriors everywhere. I do remember it being one of the best roles Humphrey Bogart played I read that Ferrer was brilliant in his portrayal of Greenwald, too. The Caine Mutiny is an interesting metaphor for the TMO because, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded. Interesting metaphor. Of course, the crew of the boat had access to Queeg. 99.9% of the troops in the TMO haven't had access to MMY in years OR the ability to interact with him to tell him how they feel about things. Have you read the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
In a message dated 8/19/05 4:19:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket.I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sportI find uncivilized.On the other hand, apparently there are some veryserious diseases you can get from wild game, so itmay not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may besome nasty karma attached to eating animals, domesticor wild, although probably less if you're asubsistence hunter. Not sure about the Kosher laws but I think they state you shall eat of the animals that you raise by the sweat of your brow, in other words domesticated animals. that is , if you're into Atkinstien diet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk wrote: Yet, somehow, it is fashionable today to wear Che T-Shirts and to make movies about his early years, whether it's riding a motorcycle or singing to Madonna and the Perons. Violent fundamentalism is in! Get with it, everyone! Show you have something to live for by making someone suffer for your beliefs! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Scientist's Messing With the Speed of Light'
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[FairfieldLife] 'John Lennons Shamanic Journey'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/05 4:19:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sport I find uncivilized. On the other hand, apparently there are some very serious diseases you can get from wild game, so it may not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may be some nasty karma attached to eating animals, domestic or wild, although probably less if you're a subsistence hunter. Not sure about the Kosher laws but I think they state you shall eat of the animals that you raise by the sweat of your brow, in other words domesticated animals. that is , if you're into Atkinstien diet. Don't know nuttin' about either. What's the Atkinstien diet? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
I don't necessarily disagree with any of your remarks; However, when I listened to Maharishi's explanation for the new buildings, I believe he called them Wealth Producing, not enlightenment producing; Perhaps, this indicates a basic change in desire, from enlightenment, to wealth and money. Much like the rest of our culture right now: Money is the God of our culture; Perhaps Maharishi started to recognize this, years ago, when this lust for money became the norm, during the Reagan Administration.. Sparaig is asking what specifically is so offensive about, after 20 years or more, there being a recertification course? What is offensive is charging more for the course (which as we all know involved no new training) than the teachers paid for their original training, and declaring them persona non grata in the organization if they don't pony up the cash. What is offensive is the *real* reason for the recertification program, which is that the TMO has realized it doesn't have any binding legal agree- ments with any of its teachers, and wanted to impose them retroactively. And, of course, make the teachers pay for the organization's oversight. Or about Vastu pronouncements, etc? Vastu as a theory is no more offensive than any other theory about living in harmony with the earth like feng shui or Tibetan Sa-che or Western geomancy. What is offensive is declaring that the world *has* to be rebuilt according to one man's interpretation of this theory to sustain world peace. What is offensive is the assumption that people would actually *go along with* rejecting their own cultural traditions and tearing down all their historical build- ings, just because some senile old fart says they should. What is offensive is that TB TMers can actually listen to these ideas and not see (as can almost *anyone* who lives in the real world) that the person proposing them is completely out of touch with reality. What is offensive is that the TBs do this because they wish to believe that the gentleman who is proposing these insane, unworkable ideas once taught them some- thing they found valuable, and they now feel that they should believe everything he says about anything, just because he says it. What is offensive is the idea that living in perfect environments leads to perfect behavior, coming from the organization that has seen one murder and many suicides in such perfect environments. And what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Che (was Re: Best spiritual films of the year)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It portrays him as an intelligent, compassionate medical student who relates easily to the common man and the disadvantaged. In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Is that fact based? My understanding is that Che's personal acts of killing were mostly limited to the period of 19591963 when he was Commander of the La Cabana Fortress prison where he had responsibilities for trials and executions of many former Batista regime officials, including members of the secret police. The account of the number executed varies -- some sources say 156 people, others estimate as many as 500. Some say that he signed execution orders for some of the above without trials. But while justice may have been short-served a bit, the prisoners were hardly the the common man and the disadvantaged -- they were the henchmen of a bloody repressive regime. As far as killing in cold blood, -- well I guess most prision executions after a revolution are not pretty, but I am not aware of evicence that they were gruesome. I guess you are being literal and in that sense most the killings in Irag are also in cold blood. 1) Many were children that he executed; 2) bloody repressive regime...well, we know now that Batista and his regime were about 1% as repressive as Fidel's regime turned out to be. Curious about Batista: he was a Black Man who had a history as a labor leader who presided over a country with a larger percentage of unionized workers than many European countries. Fidel, a white man from the white elite of Cuba with white elite revolutionaries overthrew this self-made Black man...wonder how that would play out today. 3) In cold blood well, the period that you cite -- 4 years -- is more than enough time to establish a tribunal. 4) Cuba is a slave state today. Though Che became a leader in the ragtag band, initially composed of only a handful of guerillas, along with Castro, that against huge odds, did succeed in overthrowing Batista -- by all accounts a quite corrupt guy whose policies harmed the vast majority of Cubans. You really need to read up on Batista and his regime. Cuba had a standard of living which rivalled many European nations and was at or near the top in terms of Latin America. They were a nation in which Europeans emigrated to. Maybe it was repressive but compared to Cuba today, it was Disneyland...plus, unlike Che and Fidel, when Batista threw Castro into prison, he didn't kill him. Che and Fidel killed virtually anyone that was a threat to them. But after the revolution succeeded, Castro fearing the charisma of his guerilla-band brother, kept Che at a distance to himself and the major Cuban power centers. After 1963, Che focused on planning for revolutions in South America and Africa and had even less to do with Cuban policy. ...and thank god the CIA killed him...wonder how much havoc he would have wreaked had he not been killed... So again, are your assertions about Che based in face? If so, please share with us. Or are you simply generalizing to the whole Cuban revolution? Check out the following on Fidel and some on Che: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18739 The following is mostly on Che: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12467 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
