[FairfieldLife] The forbidden word/ was Facts Evidence
Angela wrote: Conspiracies are nothing special, but are an ordinary part of every day politics. And making the term conspiracy taboo is without a doubt a conspiracy in collusion with the spin meisters and opinion fabricators of the world in the interest of all conspirators and against all free and inquiring spirits. Bronte writes: It's mind-boggling that people who know our leaders are capable of every other type of atrocity balk at the prospect that the same people could be capable of conspiracy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
Archer, YOU post this information to your Amma devotees' website if you find these allegations disturbing. YOU do the research and hash it out, since you are the one involved in this cult, not me. It's not my job to convince you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These accusations are disturbing if true, but I'm not in a position to rebut them. As I said, I don't have first-hand experience of anything going on in India, and my experience with Amma in the US has been positive and uplifting. I suggest again that you post such things to HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://group s.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where you might get some informed responses, pro and con. But of course, your forgone conclusion is that gurus and Indian spirituality in general are bad, so maybe it suits you better to post to sites where no one will challenge what you say. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 7:54 PM
[FairfieldLife] Hasse plays Jimi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-46NOmZWKA Hannes Hasse Walli is a (Swedish speaking) Finnish guitarist, who's a big fan of Jimi's. He once said that he could speak hours about Jimi's rhythmics. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hasse+Walli
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dramatic NASA Video of Melting Arctic Sea Ice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Dramatic NASA Video of Melting Arctic Sea Ice* The 2007 Arctic summer sea ice has reached the lowest extent of perennial ice cover on record - nearly 25% less than the previous low set in 2005. The area of the perennial ice has been steadily decreasing since the satellite record began in 1979, at a rate of about 10% per decade. But the 2007 minimum, reached on September 14, is far below the previous record made in 2005 and is about 38% lower than the climatological average. Such a dramatic loss has implications for ecology, climate and industry. This animation, produced by NASA, shows the dramatic change in arctic sea ice between Sept. 21, 2005 and Sept. 14, 2007. All part of the plan, the less ice up there the easier it will be to strip the place of oil and minerals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jim for reminding me of my empowerment when I'm into full whining mode. You get under my radar easily, calm me down a lot here -- I owe ya a beer. If an organisation as rich as the TMO is asking people who have already donated money for housing/travel etc, to provide winter clothes for children they haven't even seen I would say that's enough of a story for most newspapers to make a meal of, or at least ask enough questions to find out the truth that people in fairfield should really know already. If this happened in England the government would have social security banging on the dome doors demanding to see these underclothed children immediately ...or else. I don't live in FF. I don't actually know anyone who knows any real facts about the Pundit Kids, and my posts here are reactions to, well, gossip that may be true.or not. I'll be glad to write to a 100 national reporters if I had a little help from anyone here who knows something that a reporter can verify. I think the barbed wire is probably enough for, say, a Fox News report to be spun, but if this is truly an illegal or obviously immoral situation, then someone reading this post must be able to point out various things I could include in a letter to really nail the issue. I'm thinking that the slick-TMO has most bases covered, but this thing just smells from where I'm at downwind. That's why I'm posting here -- trying to see what can be seen by others responding to me about this issue. Who's got some nice cold, prima facie, red-handed evidence of fraud, child abuse, anti-American harsh disciplines, etc.? I don't hate the people of Fairfield. I wouldn't try to alert the press unless I had some substantiation to back my play. If the press gets into this as a headline-money-making story, it could change FF in a bad way by besmirching the whole society when it's merely a few thugs on campus making this thing keep going. I'd like to give a good work-up of the scenario that helps any reporter follow the money. I would hate to see BigMedia make GlobalBiz hay out of this if the Pundit Kids are merely a case of an intense spirituality program. The barbed wire is not enough proof to sic the press on ALL of Fairfield, but it sure is a red flag that could indicate an abusive, even criminal, situation. Anyone got something for me? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: snip I'll tell ya, this is a great story for some national reporter to really pick up on. This could be spun into, you know, Children Held Hostage In Barbed Wire Camps In Iowa headlines. I'm just sayin'. So, somebody smack me with some good news about this, cuz right now, given my above suspicions, I'm thinking that everyone in Fairfield is like the town-folks living next door to Auschwitz. With email at hand, it shouldn't take you long at all to craft a well written letter to as many of the national reporters as addresses you can find-- I'll bet you could build a database of a hundred in an afternoon-- and then send your suspicions about the Fairfield pundits to all of them, sit back and wait for your phone to start ringing...or not. I've been using this type of scrutiny with my stories (albeit my stories have been different than yours) for years now, and it really brings reality to light in a hurry.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen what airplanes do when they hit buildings---they never behave as the twin towers did This is almost surreal. For a start, how much data about planes hitting buildings can their possibly be in order to make such a statement? Have you really studied this, I mean honestly got a degree in structural engineering and the dynamics of avian demolition. This is what I mean about poor quaity research getting published in wacko conspiracy books and nowhere else. The twin towers were a unique building, unique design and construction, they needed to be as they were the tallest buildings on earth! you can't say they didn't behave as they should as that was they first time they had had planes fly into them. They only fell down because the designers hadn't taken account of the vibrations a plane would cause if it collided, you can hardly blame them. 9/11 took the world by surprise, even the Israeli secret service didn't have a contingency plan for people using hi-jacked aircraft as suicide bombs. There was no immediate response from the government because it was over before anyone had worked out (or could even believe)what was going on, not because they wanted or had planned it, they really are just people, why is that so hard to understand. The targets were symbolic---the whole thing was obvious drama and designed that way for effect. If I were a terrorist seriously interested in harming America, I could bring the food-distribution system to a stand-still with four car bombs and there would be a famine in this land. Of course the targets were symbolic, what greater experession of American global reach and power than the world trade centre. Remember that Al-queda's main goal is an end to American interference in Arab affairs? It's the most obvious target and designed for immediate dramatic effect. It worked too, some people can't accept the raw viciousness of it and have to start wildly theorising about govt plots, shape shifting reptiles ancient orders of atlantean monks who secretly rule the world. I also doubt you could stop food distribution in the USA with four car bombs. Books published in English especially will not be enough because especially in America there is no academic freedom to write and publish anything you like. Damn right there is no freedom to publish anything you like, you have to provide evidence for a start, and demonstrate you're qualified to assess the evidence, it's called peer-review and it's a good way to start working out what is from what isn't. I've yet to read a conspiracy theory that didn't say more about the people writing it.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and you weren't using the term as a synecdoche, either. Might want to look that up too. I looked it up, but I don't know if it was correct, 'cuz being too lazy to read Angies whole post. Would Metonymy be a more appropriate term? And its as a possessive never, EVER has an apostrophe. Judy, don't come down too hard down on her. This would be a typical German thing to do. In German, possessives are written with apostrophes. The problem in Germany right now is, that the English usage has mixed through popular culture so much that both versions are officially accepted now.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And its as a possessive never, EVER has an apostrophe. Judy, don't come down too hard down on her. This would be a typical German thing to do. In German, possessives are written with apostrophes. The problem in Germany right now is, that the English usage has mixed through popular culture so much that both versions are officially accepted now. That's what illiterates would have you believe. :-) It's not true, no matter what you might have heard. The misuse of 'its' and 'it's' is one of the easiest ways to tell whether a writer of English cares enough about the readers of his or her writing to use it properly. I would venture to say that there is no book of English grammar out there that presents this misuse as acceptable. English is a *bitch* to learn. It often seems to have more exceptions than it does rules, and many of the rules don't seem to make sense. While what you say about accepted usage is true about some things (like the use of try and do something... instead of the proper try to do something...), I for one hope that Americans never get so dumbed down as to forget how to properly use 'its' and 'it's' properly. The bottom line of language misuse, in my opinion, is what we've seen here recently. Someone makes a mistake, one that they've been making for a long time, someone else corrects it, and the first person, rather than wising up and *learning a little something*, claims that they misspelled the word or used the improper grammar on purpose for effect. I'm with Judy on this one -- railing about the quality of US education while demonstrating an appalling disregard for the language that educa- tion is based on just rings false and conveys a sense of laziness. It's like saying, Yeah...its sad that there all so dumm...not like me, and expecting people to take you seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bottom line of language misuse, in my opinion, is what we've seen here recently. Someone makes a mistake, one that they've been making for a long time, someone else corrects it, and the first person, rather than wising up and *learning a little something*, claims that they misspelled the word or used the improper grammar on purpose for effect. For the record, I may be a little sensitive to this issue right now because I'm a stranger in a strange land, trying to learn Spanish as an absolute beginner in that language. If no one ever *corrected* my stupid mistakes (and boy! do I make a lot of them), I'd never learn that they *are* mistakes, and how to use the words or phrases or idioms properly. One of the things I liked most about France was that most of the people I encountered there, when I'd make a mistake like using the wrong gender for a noun, would gently repeat the phrase or words I'd just misused to me, but using them properly, correcting the mistake as they repeated them. This wasn't done in any kind of putdown way...it was more like the person was pretending to repeat what I'd said to verify that they'd heard it correctly, but *at the same time*, correcting my grammar, very gently. I learned a great deal from people that way, and continue to do so here in Spain, where the same technique seems to be employed on a regular basis. I think it's a very neat form of social etiquette, a gentle form of teaching and of *helping* us newcomers learn the language. Those who aren't interested in learning the language probably don't even notice that it's going on -- they probably think that all these people repeating what they've said to them are hard of hearing. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And its as a possessive never, EVER has an apostrophe. Judy, don't come down too hard down on her. This would be a typical German thing to do. In German, possessives are written with apostrophes. The problem in Germany right now is, that the English usage has mixed through popular culture so much that both versions are officially accepted now. That's what illiterates would have you believe. :-) It's not true, no matter what you might have heard. The misuse of 'its' and 'it's' is one of the easiest ways to tell whether a writer of English cares enough about the readers of his or her writing to use it properly. I would venture to say that there is no book of English grammar out there that presents this misuse as acceptable. Please Barry, I was referring to the German use. Here again: Apostrophe is correct for German possessive (genitive) Example: Michael's Brief Correct English: Michaels post. The mixed English German, Michaels Brief, formerly wrong has now been labeled as acceptable use in the Duden. Both Michaels Brief and Michael's Brief are correct now - in German.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please Barry, I was referring to the German use. Here again: Apostrophe is correct for German possessive (genitive) Example: Michael's Brief Correct English: Michaels post. The mixed English German, Michaels Brief, formerly wrong has now been labeled as acceptable use in the Duden. Both Michaels Brief and Michael's Brief are correct now - in German. I stand corrected, but really...how sad. One thing you've got to say for the French is that they *protect their language*. Learning to use it properly is basically the foundation of their educational system, and a French per- song who *doesn't* use it properly is viewed with a certain amount of disdain by other French. They've got whole *departments* in France whose job it is to try to protect the language from creeping bastardizations, such as the use of the English words weekend. Some could say that it's a fool's errand, trying to protect the purity of the language this way, but I admire it. The problems of internationalization and English having become the de facto lingua franca of our age make it really *hard* to keep one's original language intact and preserve its beauty. Maybe a third of the billboards and ads I see here in Spain have several English words in them, used because it's assumed that most people will understand them. At the same time, it creates a kind of gibberish Spanish, similar to the language of Cityspeak used in the film Blade Runner. That was a hodgepodge of English, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, and a dozen other languages, all thrown into a blender. While it is *natural* for such hodge-podge languages to develop, part of me still apprec- iates those who take the time to learn and preserve the original languages themselves. Consider it an affectation on my part if you want. As a writer I invent new language when I think it might be fun to do so, but I try to have learned the old language first. In a way not doing this is like painters who dive straight into abstract art, without ever learning how to paint still lives or landscapes. One of the things that made Picasso's and Dali's forays into new ways of painting *work* is that they had *done their homework*. If you look at their early work, they had traditional styles of painting just *nailed* before they moved past them. I guess I feel similarly about language. It's one thing when James Joyce reinvents the language, knowing what it is he *is* reinventing, and it's quite another when a rap star reinvents the language, with *no clue* what it is he's doing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hughes, I did read that post, and thanks. Good for you for going to the bother of doing some research. I respect your opinions, even where I disagree, and have that book you recommend on my reading list. Best regards, - Bronte Hi Bronte I didn't reach you then? never mind. I enjoyed the book even though I don't believe him and love the fact he's out there gathering interesting factoids about world politics, if only he could present it in a rational manner, he would make a good political activist if he could stick to the facts and not see plots where there are none. At the end of the day I hope he's right, you and he live in a much more exciting world than I do. I hope you read the Blind Watchmaker it changed my life in that it opened my eyes to something thats going on in the world that people think they know about but don't really. It's not about conspiracies or anything like that, it's simply a book about how life got to be so complicated without any help, it's both awesome and humbling. I recommend it because it's an object lesson in how to marshall evidence, construct an argument and demonstrate when your opponents are wrong and why. Mr Icke could do with reading it as it grounds you in respect for the process of science as opposed to wild theorising. It makes you see the world differently.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I've lived through carpet bombing. It was called saturation bombing back then. I was using the term as a synecdoche. a That's how I got what you said, it wasn't about the oil wells per se, but the collective idea of what that implied and on another level symbolic image to imply wide devastation -- am I getting that right? In fact, presumably they'd nuke all the military installations, esp. nuclear facilities. What they'd like to think of as a surgical strike.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I've seen what airplanes do when they hit buildings---they never behave as the twin towers did This is almost surreal. For a start, how much data about planes hitting buildings can their possibly be in order to make such a statement? When somebody says something like this, you have to wonder about all the *other* things they claim to have seen. snip They only fell down because the designers hadn't taken account of the vibrations a plane would cause if it collided I'm not sure this is correct, though. I've never heard anything about vibrations having brought the towers down. After all, quite some time elapsed between the time each tower was hit and when it collapsed (almost an hour and a half for the north tower, a little under an hour for the south tower). Furthermore, as I understand it, the towers were designed specifically to withstand the impact of a plane--just not a plane as big as those that hit them. 9/11 took the world by surprise, even the Israeli secret service didn't have a contingency plan for people using hi-jacked aircraft as suicide bombs. There may not have been a contingency plan, but the possibility of hijacked planes being used as suicide bombs on tall buildings was most definitely considered a possibility for quite some time before 9/11. There was no immediate response from the government because it was over before anyone had worked out (or could even believe)what was going on, not because they wanted or had planned it Then again, the infamous Rebuilding America's Defenses paper put out in 2000 by the neocon Project for a New American Century contains this sentence: The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor. Wanted or planned it is one thing; welcomed it might be quite another. Refrained from taking steps to stop it might be yet another. And there are bits and pieces of evidence that some in the administration and elsewhere *did* know something big was about to happen that day. snip Of course the targets were symbolic, what greater experession of American global reach and power than the world trade centre. Remember that Al-queda's main goal is an end to American interference in Arab affairs? It's the most obvious target and designed for immediate dramatic effect. It worked too, some people can't accept the raw viciousness of it and have to start wildly theorising about govt plots, shape shifting reptiles ancient orders of atlantean monks who secretly rule the world. I'm with you in rejecting the notion that the administration planned and carried it out. I don't reject out of hand, however, the possibility that there was some foreknowledge, or at least some benign neglect in terms of taking measures to protect the U.S. from *some* kind of major terrorist attack. snip Books published in English especially will not be enough because especially in America there is no academic freedom to write and publish anything you like. Damn right there is no freedom to publish anything you like, you have to provide evidence for a start, and demonstrate you're qualified to assess the evidence, it's called peer-review and it's a good way to start working out what is from what isn't. That's true in the academic/scholarly field, but not the case at all in the area of popular publishing, not to mention on the Web. I've yet to read a conspiracy theory that didn't say more about the people writing it. As I've said here before, I strongly suspect that there's a great deal of *disinformation* put out by those with something to hide, for the express purpose of sidetracking folks like Angela and Bronte and Bhairitu into pursuing loony conspiracy theories instead of the real dirt.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Oh, and you weren't using the term as a synecdoche, either. Might want to look that up too. I looked it up, but I don't know if it was correct, 'cuz being too lazy to read Angies whole post. Would Metonymy be a more appropriate term? Carpet bombing is a figure of speech, but it doesn't really fit the definitions of either synecdoche or metonymy. Wikipedia has a pretty good article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche But the main problem is that it's an *inappropriate* figure of speech for the act of bombing oil wells. Carpet or saturation bombing is used to destroy military installations, supplies, and personnel, and to demoralize the population of an area. For oil wells, you have to do *targeted* bombing. But the U.S. wouldn't be bombing Iran's oil wells in the first place; we'd want to capture them, not destroy them. And finally, carpet bombing per se pretty much went out with the Vietnam War. Our bombing technology is so much more efficient now that carpet bombing--even in the appropriate situation--would be wasteful and inefficient. And its as a possessive never, EVER has an apostrophe. Judy, don't come down too hard down on her. This would be a typical German thing to do. Angela, by her own account, has been teaching at high levels in the U.S. for many years and has repeatedly emphasized here how poor her students' English skills are. If she's in a position to make that kind of judgment, her own English skills ought to be above reproach. In German, possessives are written with apostrophes. The problem in Germany right now is, that the English usage has mixed through popular culture so much that both versions are officially accepted now.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: Please Barry, I was referring to the German use. Here again: Apostrophe is correct for German possessive (genitive) Example: Michael's Brief Correct English: Michaels post. The mixed English German, Michaels Brief, formerly wrong has now been labeled as acceptable use in the Duden. Both Michaels Brief and Michael's Brief are correct now - in German. I stand corrected, but really...how sad. Yes. There is a certain amount of awareness though, mainly through a guy called Bastian Sick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastian_Sick 'Sick wrote three books on common German grammatical mistakes, that were critically acclaimed for their humour[1] and have become very popular in Germany.[2] The titles of the books called Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod (literally The Dative is the Genitive its Death) use puns employing the his genitive, which in official German is incorrect and often considered unaesthetic, instead of the correct genitive case.' We were very much americanized after the war, maybe more than other European nations, for some time our country was virtually non-existent, then the Americans re-educated us. Besides that, German as a language is hard to sing, so through music and advertisement english is omnipresent in Germany. One thing you've got to say for the French is that they *protect their language*. Learning to use it properly is basically the foundation of their educational system, and a French per- song who *doesn't* use it properly is viewed with a certain amount of disdain by other French. Surely very different. But then, French don't like to speak anything else than french, Germans do like to learn other languages.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip It's not true, no matter what you might have heard. The misuse of 'its' and 'it's' is one of the easiest ways to tell whether a writer of English cares enough about the readers of his or her writing to use it properly. I would venture to say that there is no book of English grammar out there that presents this misuse as acceptable. Please Barry, I was referring to the German use. Here again: Apostrophe is correct for German possessive (genitive) Example: Michael's Brief Correct English: Michaels post. Nonono! Michael's post is correct in English. But no apostrophe is used with the pronoun: Michael's post is very long, but it's not long enough to cover its topic. It's is a contraction of it is (or it has); its is the possessive. Its is like his and hers and theirs. But unfortunately you'll see not only it's for the possessive, but also her's and their's sometimes.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip They've got whole *departments* in France whose job it is to try to protect the language from creeping bastardizations, such as the use of the English words weekend. Some could say that it's a fool's errand, trying to protect the purity of the language this way, but I admire it. The problems of internationalization and English having become the de facto lingua franca of our age make it really *hard* to keep one's original language intact and preserve its beauty. Actually, one of the reasons English *has* become an international language is because its vocabulary is so rich with words borrowed from other languages. By some estimates, only a third of the words used in English came from the original Anglo-Saxon (although these words are the most frequently used).
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I've lived through carpet bombing. It was called saturation bombing back then. I was using the term as a synecdoche. a That's how I got what you said, it wasn't about the oil wells per se, but the collective idea of what that implied and on another level symbolic image to imply wide devastation -- am I getting that right? Nope. The context was specifically oil wells--how the Chinese would react if we bombed Iran's oil wells, given that Iran is a major source of oil for the Chinese. But by the same token, if the reason we go to war with Iran is to take control of its oil, as has been alleged, the last thing we're likely to do is bomb its oil wells. (Not to mention that even if we did, the bombing would have to be highly targeted.) In fact, presumably they'd nuke all the military installations, esp. nuclear facilities. What they'd like to think of as a surgical strike. Correct. And carpet bombing is now largely outdated given the capacity for surgical strikes. What Angela wanted to do was to convey brutality and ruthlessness on the part of the U.S. As apt as that judgment may be, her choice of words didn't fit at all with the context.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip It's not true, no matter what you might have heard. The misuse of 'its' and 'it's' is one of the easiest ways to tell whether a writer of English cares enough about the readers of his or her writing to use it properly. I would venture to say that there is no book of English grammar out there that presents this misuse as acceptable. Please Barry, I was referring to the German use. Here again: Apostrophe is correct for German possessive (genitive) Example: Michael's Brief Correct English: Michaels post. Nonono! Michael's post is correct in English. You are right Judy, I got confused, it's just as you say the other way round: Michael's post is correct english, Michaels Brief is correct ORIGINAL German, but use of apostrophe in german for genitive has been now accepted. Sorry. But no apostrophe is used with the pronoun: Michael's post is very long, but it's not long enough to cover its topic. It's is a contraction of it is (or it has); its is the possessive. Its is like his and hers and theirs. But unfortunately you'll see not only it's for the possessive, but also her's and their's sometimes. Okay, didn't know this. Surely it's, if allowed would be confused with 'it is'
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
If an organisation as rich as the TMO is asking people who have already donated money for housing/travel etc, to provide winter clothes for children they haven't even seen I would say that's enough of a story for most newspapers to make a meal of, or at least ask enough questions to find out the truth that people in fairfield should really know already. Lurk Sometimes I don't get. About 6 months ago, I picked up that there was a polio epidemic among the pundits - quanantine etc. I thought this story would blow the roof off the place. But then it just faded away. Hmmm.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
On Oct 28, 2007, at 10:41 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I've lived through carpet bombing. It was called saturation bombing back then. I was using the term as a synecdoche. a That's how I got what you said, it wasn't about the oil wells per se, but the collective idea of what that implied and on another level symbolic image to imply wide devastation -- am I getting that right? Nope. The context was specifically oil wells--how the Chinese would react if we bombed Iran's oil wells, given that Iran is a major source of oil for the Chinese. That's one take, but it really depends on what Angela's intent was. Maybe it was about bombing oil wells very specifically. I assumed what I said as a possible interpretation, having listened to A. for a couple of years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Archer, YOU post this information to your Amma devotees' website if you find these allegations disturbing. YOU do the research and hash it out, since you are the one involved in this cult, not me. It's not my job to convince you. But, you're the one obsessing over the allegations. Rick is not. My hunch, though, is that your sole interest in those allegations lies in the fact that Rick happens to be an Amma devotee. I think you're posting the allegations to FFL because you think it will upset Rick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: These accusations are disturbing if true, but I'm not in a position to rebut them. As I said, I don't have first-hand experience of anything going on in India, and my experience with Amma in the US has been positive and uplifting. I suggest again that you post such things to HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://group s.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where you might get some informed responses, pro and con. But of course, your forgone conclusion is that gurus and Indian spirituality in general are bad, so maybe it suits you better to post to sites where no one will challenge what you say. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 7:54 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] My choice: Most fair/balanced voice on FFL. lurk
[FairfieldLife] OT: Adblock
Just since last week I came across this extension to Firefox: http://adblockplus.org/en/ I don't know how I could live so long without it! No ads anymore, no Google context ads, no flash banners anymore, no ads in Yahoo, simply no ads at all. Now this is a major adon to Firefox, the main product of Mozilla, which Google is sponsoring in a mayor way. Cool.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: [snip] Books published in English especially will not be enough because especially in America there is no academic freedom to write and publish anything you like. Damn right there is no freedom to publish anything you like, you have to provide evidence for a start, and demonstrate you're qualified to assess the evidence, it's called peer-review and it's a good way to start working out what is from what isn't. That's true in the academic/scholarly field, but not the case at all in the area of popular publishing, not to mention on the Web. The CIA's redactions of Valerie Plame's book may be an exception. Although the CIA has a policy to censor ex-CIA member's publications, this is unjustified, politically motivated censorship under false pretenses. --Valerie Plame Wilson's just published book, Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House, is her personal account of helplessly observing her career being shattered as in an out-of-body experience. Fair Game is rife with long redacted passages that the CIA censors insisted upon, though the information they blacked out was mostly on the public record. (The publisher, Simon Schuster recruited investigative reporter Laura Rozen to fill in these blanks in an indispensable afterword.) The omissions only heighten the intrigue.-- ... --Even before the Libby guilty verdict, the CIA begins censoring her manuscript. She is not permitted to write the birth dates of her children. It was the bureaucratic equivalent of Groundhog Day --... --Fair Game is one of the essential documents of the Bush era, a harrowing personal account of betrayal. The betrayals of the Bush administration have become so numerous that they seem almost casual by now. Yet for Valerie Plame Wilson the personal was more than political. Betraying her was not just another lie, another smear, another Swift-boating. It was a breach of national security.-- ~~ Sidney Blumenthal [Blumenthal's short piece is definitely worth a read.] http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/22/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-valerie-plame-wilson-2/ I've yet to read a conspiracy theory that didn't say more about the people writing it. As I've said here before, I strongly suspect that there's a great deal of *disinformation* put out by those with something to hide, for the express purpose of sidetracking folks like Angela and Bronte and Bhairitu into pursuing loony conspiracy theories instead of the real dirt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Thanks Jim for reminding me of my empowerment when I'm into full whining mode. You get under my radar easily, calm me down a lot here -- I owe ya a beer. If an organisation as rich as the TMO is asking people who have already donated money for housing/travel etc, to provide winter clothes for children they haven't even seen I would say that's enough of a story for most newspapers to make a meal of, or at least ask enough questions to find out the truth that people in fairfield should really know already. If this happened in England the government would have social security banging on the dome doors demanding to see these underclothed children immediately ...or else. You should get in touch with reporters then and see where this goes. All I see now is a pile of assumptions, including the one about the rich TMO, which I have always felt is pretty much a poor organization, nowhere near as wealthy as say the Red Cross.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
Judy, It's not only about getting oil. It's about making Iraq and Iran oil UNAVAILABLE. Then the price of oil goes up and making all of BigOil's wells vastly more profitable to pump. The USA only started importing oil when it got too expensive to pump oil in the USA when OPEC was pricing oil at $40/barrel. Now, with oil approaching $100 a barrel, Texas crude is a profit waiting to be pumped. Iraq hasn't been pumping much oil due to pipeline destruction. Iran's ability to pump can be pretty easily disrupted for years, and this is what Russia and China fear, cuz then they'd have to pay more for oil gotten elsewhere. A whole lotta buncha more. And, hey, new idea: why not carpet bombing? Aren't those Persians famous for carpets? Maybe one cannot bomb anything in Iran without hitting a carpet!!! War, such a funny thingie. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I've lived through carpet bombing. It was called saturation bombing back then. I was using the term as a synecdoche. a That's how I got what you said, it wasn't about the oil wells per se, but the collective idea of what that implied and on another level symbolic image to imply wide devastation -- am I getting that right? Nope. The context was specifically oil wells--how the Chinese would react if we bombed Iran's oil wells, given that Iran is a major source of oil for the Chinese. But by the same token, if the reason we go to war with Iran is to take control of its oil, as has been alleged, the last thing we're likely to do is bomb its oil wells. (Not to mention that even if we did, the bombing would have to be highly targeted.) In fact, presumably they'd nuke all the military installations, esp. nuclear facilities. What they'd like to think of as a surgical strike. Correct. And carpet bombing is now largely outdated given the capacity for surgical strikes. What Angela wanted to do was to convey brutality and ruthlessness on the part of the U.S. As apt as that judgment may be, her choice of words didn't fit at all with the context.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Thanks Jim for reminding me of my empowerment when I'm into full whining mode. You get under my radar easily, calm me down a lot here -- I owe ya a beer. If an organisation as rich as the TMO is asking people who have already donated money for housing/travel etc, to provide winter clothes for children they haven't even seen I would say that's enough of a story for most newspapers to make a meal of, or at least ask enough questions to find out the truth that people in fairfield should really know already. If this happened in England the government would have social security banging on the dome doors demanding to see these underclothed children immediately ...or else. You should get in touch with reporters then and see where this goes. All I see now is a pile of assumptions, including the one about the rich TMO, which I have always felt is pretty much a poor organization, nowhere near as wealthy as say the Red Cross. Jim, if it was my country I would IF I thought children were going cold in an org as rich as this one. The TMO is loaded, just think how much land/buildings they've bought recently and how much the rajas pay for the priviledge. There is tons of money but no harm in trying to get a bit more out of the faithful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
I also suspected the allegations U posted here re:Amma were to Up set Rick no more not much less Ur the one I-- we believe so obsessed. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If an organisation as rich as the TMO is asking people who have already donated money for housing/travel etc, to provide winter clothes for children they haven't even seen I would say that's enough of a story for most newspapers to make a meal of, or at least ask enough questions to find out the truth that people in fairfield should really know already. Lurk Sometimes I don't get. About 6 months ago, I picked up that there was a polio epidemic among the pundits - quanantine etc. I thought this story would blow the roof off the place. But then it just faded away. Hmmm. If you mean you picked it up here on FFL, it was a rumor about some of the pundits having tuberculosis, a much less serious situation than a polio epidemic, and not too surprising for immigrants from India.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 28, 2007, at 10:41 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I've lived through carpet bombing. It was called saturation bombing back then. I was using the term as a synecdoche. a That's how I got what you said, it wasn't about the oil wells per se, but the collective idea of what that implied and on another level symbolic image to imply wide devastation -- am I getting that right? Nope. The context was specifically oil wells--how the Chinese would react if we bombed Iran's oil wells, given that Iran is a major source of oil for the Chinese. That's one take, but it really depends on what Angela's intent was. Maybe it was about bombing oil wells very specifically. Maybe? I just told you, it *was* specifically about bombing oil wells: Iran is also China's major source of oil. Would they sit on their hands while we carpet bomb their oil wells? Post #152682, if you want to check. I assumed what I said as a possible interpretation, having listened to A. for a couple of years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OT: Adblock
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just since last week I came across this extension to Firefox: http://adblockplus.org/en/ I don't know how I could live so long without it! No ads anymore, no Google context ads, no flash banners anymore, no ads in Yahoo, simply no ads at all. Now this is a major adon to Firefox, the main product of Mozilla, which Google is sponsoring in a mayor way. Cool. I've been using a combo of Adblock and Filterset.G for a long time. I tried Adblock Plus, but I didn't like the big icon it puts in the browser, and some pages were rendering with a much larger gap where the ad would be than with the original Adblock.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
I forwarded Bronte’s post to a friend whom I thought might be in a position to respond to it, and here’s her response: Here's what I know about the charges. I'm in a bit of a unique situation as I'm sure I know the original poster. His name is Gary A., and we used to be friends when we were both SRF people who had just come to Amma. He's stayed at my house and I've stayed at his (former) house in the Bay area. His spiritual name (given by Amma) is Aniruddhan, a name he has posted under. I suspect that he himself is the consultant who went to India. The truth is that he was living with a nurse, Donna (also SRF), who was actually asked to go to the AIMS hospital as a consultant, and he thought he'd go there and snoop around, see what he could find out. (He told me that before he went there.) There my clarity disappears. I know he was not happy with what he found and actually confronted Amma Herself about it. My friend M. told me that. It was while they were on tour, by the side of the road outside her motorhome. Since he received no satisfaction, he apparently made it his mission to expose Amma. What I do know about Gary is that on a personal level he turned out (again according to M.) to be a real creep towards Donna. I can't recall all the details, but I know she caught him going online and soliciting dates with other women. Then when she broke up with him, he began making threatening phone calls to her--or something like that. Since he can't seem to maintain a relationship with a woman, if you know the right sites online, you could probably pretend to be a comely lass and mention your interest in Ammachi and he might even still be out there cruising. So on a personal level he's a troubled guy. I don't know what to think about the charges, which I have read before on other sites. I do know a former nun who also says that Amma has yelled You sons of bitches get on the bus! when she was on tour in India. That is factual, as far as I can tell. I know that when my friend Laurie was treated at the AIMS Hospital (for a staph infection) her surgery, medicines, and treatment for five days was about $14, which struck us as extremely reasonable. Since she would have been considered wealthy by Indian standards, they could have charged several times that and she would not have minded. But they didn't. I have no idea (other than offical Ammadom) where you could go to get the real scoop. If I go to India again, I'd like to go to the orphanage and check out Gary's charges. That should be pretty easy to verify. Previously when I've thought deeply about these charges, what I've come down to is that Amma is a genuine saint and Gary is a troubled soul. So I'm sticking with Amma. One thing's for sure: No poor people would have been treated at AIMS if Amma hadn't built it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, It's not only about getting oil. It's about making Iraq and Iran oil UNAVAILABLE. Then the price of oil goes up and making all of BigOil's wells vastly more profitable to pump. Doubt it. Oil is in too short supply and too crucial to the very shaky U.S. economy to risk making any source of it unavailable or driving the price too high here.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip They've got whole *departments* in France whose job it is to try to protect the language from creeping bastardizations, such as the use of the English words weekend. Some could say that it's a fool's errand, trying to protect the purity of the language this way, but I admire it. The problems of internationalization and English having become the de facto lingua franca of our age make it really *hard* to keep one's original language intact and preserve its beauty. Actually, one of the reasons English *has* become an international language is because its vocabulary is so rich with words borrowed from other languages. By some estimates, only a third of the words used in English came from the original Anglo-Saxon (although these words are the most frequently used). I've always undertood one of the reasons English was the worlds second language is because it's the language of science, which used to be german (and before that latin) every scientist had to speak it or not get on very well at conferences. BTW; all you decent writers are making me painfully aware my grammar is crap, I think I can spell alright but apostrophes' I'm ashamed to say I don't understand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OT: Adblock
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: Just since last week I came across this extension to Firefox: http://adblockplus.org/en/ I don't know how I could live so long without it! No ads anymore, no Google context ads, no flash banners anymore, no ads in Yahoo, simply no ads at all. Now this is a major adon to Firefox, the main product of Mozilla, which Google is sponsoring in a mayor way. Cool. I've been using a combo of Adblock and Filterset.G for a long time. I tried Adblock Plus, but I didn't like the big icon it puts in the browser, and some pages were rendering with a much larger gap where the ad would be than with the original Adblock. Don't know about the second point, but the icon you can get rid of easily: There is a little arrow next to it, from the context menu Options tack show in symbol bar, the the icon disappears. You can get to options again in menu extra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The forbidden word/ was Facts Evidence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela wrote: Conspiracies are nothing special, but are an ordinary part of every day politics. And making the term conspiracy taboo is without a doubt a conspiracy in collusion with the spin meisters and opinion fabricators of the world in the interest of all conspirators and against all free and inquiring spirits. Bronte writes: It's mind-boggling that people who know our leaders are capable of every other type of atrocity balk at the prospect that the same people could be capable of conspiracy. Nauseatingly disingenuous, both of you: The term 'conspiracy theory' is used by mainstream scholars and in popular culture to identify a type of folklore similar to an urban legend, especially an explanatory narrative which is constructed with particular methodological flaws. The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory That's the sense, obviously, in which people here are calling the two of you conspiracy theorists. Nobody here would balk at the prospect that the Bush administration is capable of conspiracy in the generic sense, and to suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonest in the extreme. Further, to claim that the pejorative nature of the term conspiracy theory is a function of conspiracy is itself a conspiracy theory in the sense defined by Wikipedia above. The goal of this dishonesty is to hold the most bizarre, wildly flawed conspiracy theories (and those who irresponsibly promote them) immune from examination and criticism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Thanks Jim for reminding me of my empowerment when I'm into full whining mode. You get under my radar easily, calm me down a lot here -- I owe ya a beer. If an organisation as rich as the TMO is asking people who have already donated money for housing/travel etc, to provide winter clothes for children they haven't even seen I would say that's enough of a story for most newspapers to make a meal of, or at least ask enough questions to find out the truth that people in fairfield should really know already. If this happened in England the government would have social security banging on the dome doors demanding to see these underclothed children immediately ...or else. You should get in touch with reporters then and see where this goes. All I see now is a pile of assumptions, including the one about the rich TMO, which I have always felt is pretty much a poor organization, nowhere near as wealthy as say the Red Cross. Jim, if it was my country I would IF I thought children were going cold in an org as rich as this one. The TMO is loaded, just think how much land/buildings they've bought recently and how much the rajas pay for the priviledge. There is tons of money but no harm in trying to get a bit more out of the faithful. Fair enough-- btw I'm the last one to say the TMO manages money well, or what their motives are in raising it. I continue to have the impression that there is not as much $$$ as they act like there is. Maybe its because their PR is pretty unsophisticated and they always make such a big deal out of money, that it reminds me of the approach of a 3rd world country trying to convince everyone else that they are a major player economically.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Judy, It's not only about getting oil. It's about making Iraq and Iran oil UNAVAILABLE. Then the price of oil goes up and making all of BigOil's wells vastly more profitable to pump. Doubt it. Oil is in too short supply and too crucial to the very shaky U.S. economy to risk making any source of it unavailable or driving the price too high here. Agreed-- big oil doesn't want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg, only strangle it for awhile. Besides they need no justification to do so as radical as another war-- they just take a few refineries offline for crucial maintenance, let their available inventory fall, supply and demand kicks in, and voila! instant profits. In terms of this being a conspiracy, it doesn't even have to be done behind closed doors. Many think that the way to catch these monopolists is to find the minutes of a meeting where they all sit around and say, yeah let's do this, this and this. They are smarter than that. All they have to do is have their ops managers attend an industry event and some analyst speaking there that recommends x,y, and z to increase profits. Then they all do it. No conspiracy or back room deals to uncover. Its all for the seminar attendees to read, study and enact. Not rocket science.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip They only fell down because the designers hadn't taken account of the vibrations a plane would cause if it collided I'm not sure this is correct, though. I've never heard anything about vibrations having brought the towers down. After all, quite some time elapsed between the time each tower was hit and when it collapsed (almost an hour and a half for the north tower, a little under an hour for the south tower). I saw a documentary about 9/11 and vibration was definately mentioned as a cause, the building may have rattled itself apart. But thinking more about it perhaps it was the collapse of the upper sections due to the infrastructure melting. My memory may not be so good on this. Furthermore, as I understand it, the towers were designed specifically to withstand the impact of a plane--just not a plane as big as those that hit them. 9/11 took the world by surprise, even the Israeli secret service didn't have a contingency plan for people using hi-jacked aircraft as suicide bombs. There may not have been a contingency plan, but the possibility of hijacked planes being used as suicide bombs on tall buildings was most definitely considered a possibility for quite some time before 9/11. I mentioned the Israelis because they have to deal with all sorts of possibilities and they were astonished as they hadn't even suspected this, maybe others thought otherwise I don't know. There was no immediate response from the government because it was over before anyone had worked out (or could even believe)what was going on, not because they wanted or had planned it Then again, the infamous Rebuilding America's Defenses paper put out in 2000 by the neocon Project for a New American Century contains this sentence: The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor. Wanted or planned it is one thing; welcomed it might be quite another. Refrained from taking steps to stop it might be yet another. And there are bits and pieces of evidence that some in the administration and elsewhere *did* know something big was about to happen that day. Yeah I read that and it's the sort of thing that conspiracy theorists jump on, also the FBI agent following one of the hi-jackers reported that he was taking flying lessons but not landing lessons, and he feared that the guy would hi-jack a plane and fly it into a tall building. snip Of course the targets were symbolic, what greater experession of American global reach and power than the world trade centre. Remember that Al-queda's main goal is an end to American interference in Arab affairs? It's the most obvious target and designed for immediate dramatic effect. It worked too, some people can't accept the raw viciousness of it and have to start wildly theorising about govt plots, shape shifting reptiles ancient orders of atlantean monks who secretly rule the world. I'm with you in rejecting the notion that the administration planned and carried it out. I don't reject out of hand, however, the possibility that there was some foreknowledge, or at least some benign neglect in terms of taking measures to protect the U.S. from *some* kind of major terrorist attack. Benign neglect I like that. I don't believe anyone is cynical enough to plan or allow something like that to happen, but they made the most of it by blaming Iraq, Rumsfeld seizing the opportunity. My sister lives in California and she was annoyed enough with CNN to ring up and complain that every time they talked about the upcoming Iraq invasion they showed a picture of the remains of the WTC as a backdrop, a subtle bit of manipulation. But a conspiracy? No, I don't think so either. snip Books published in English especially will not be enough because especially in America there is no academic freedom to write and publish anything you like. Damn right there is no freedom to publish anything you like, you have to provide evidence for a start, and demonstrate you're qualified to assess the evidence, it's called peer-review and it's a good way to start working out what is from what isn't. That's true in the academic/scholarly field, but not the case at all in the area of popular publishing, not to mention on the Web. A's original statement was about academia I just edited that bit ;-) I've yet to read a conspiracy theory that didn't say more about the people writing it. As I've said here before, I strongly suspect that there's a great deal of *disinformation* put out by those with something
[FairfieldLife] Re: The forbidden word/ was Facts Evidence
Judy, About oil. The level of discussion here seems to be kiddie gossip compared to the set-of-complexities that we seem to be ignoring. Judy -- go here: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/IraqWar.html Tell me if you think this guy's a conspiracy nut or if he's cogently summing up the situation. This Web page is a bit dated having been posted a couple years ago, but the dynamics he spotlights are still the same. I don't agree with this guy that we should be building electric-nuke plants, but he sure can lay out the facts about BushCo etc. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 brontebaxter8@ wrote: Angela wrote: Conspiracies are nothing special, but are an ordinary part of every day politics. And making the term conspiracy taboo is without a doubt a conspiracy in collusion with the spin meisters and opinion fabricators of the world in the interest of all conspirators and against all free and inquiring spirits. Bronte writes: It's mind-boggling that people who know our leaders are capable of every other type of atrocity balk at the prospect that the same people could be capable of conspiracy. Nauseatingly disingenuous, both of you: The term 'conspiracy theory' is used by mainstream scholars and in popular culture to identify a type of folklore similar to an urban legend, especially an explanatory narrative which is constructed with particular methodological flaws. The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory That's the sense, obviously, in which people here are calling the two of you conspiracy theorists. Nobody here would balk at the prospect that the Bush administration is capable of conspiracy in the generic sense, and to suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonest in the extreme. Further, to claim that the pejorative nature of the term conspiracy theory is a function of conspiracy is itself a conspiracy theory in the sense defined by Wikipedia above. The goal of this dishonesty is to hold the most bizarre, wildly flawed conspiracy theories (and those who irresponsibly promote them) immune from examination and criticism.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip They've got whole *departments* in France whose job it is to try to protect the language from creeping bastardizations, such as the use of the English words weekend. Some could say that it's a fool's errand, trying to protect the purity of the language this way, but I admire it. The problems of internationalization and English having become the de facto lingua franca of our age make it really *hard* to keep one's original language intact and preserve its beauty. Actually, one of the reasons English *has* become an international language is because its vocabulary is so rich with words borrowed from other languages. By some estimates, only a third of the words used in English came from the original Anglo-Saxon (although these words are the most frequently used). I've always undertood one of the reasons English was the worlds second language is because it's the language of science, which used to be german (and before that latin) every scientist had to speak it or not get on very well at conferences. That too. English has its disadvantages (spelling, lack of case distinctions), but it has a *huge* vocabulary, which means it's useful in a wide variety of fields and is capable of very fine distinctions and nuances. BTW; all you decent writers are making me painfully aware my grammar is crap, I think I can spell alright but apostrophes' I'm ashamed to say I don't understand. This is a conversational forum, not an English exam. Relax! You get more points for content than most here, and that's a great deal more important. The only reason anybody is beating up on Angela is that she's elevated herself to a pedestal as a judge of English skills when her own leave something to be desired--and won't even admit it when she makes a mistake. We all make grammar and spelling mistakes, including this professional editor. Apostrophes in English are pretty straightforward; it wouldn't take much for you to master their use if you wanted to consult a grammar book. Its vs. it's is easy to figure out--if you can substitute it is or it has and still have the sentence make sense, then it's is correct. If not, no apostrophe. Or, if you could substitute his or hers, then its is correct. (There is never, EVER an apostrophe in hers or theirs, nor are apostrophes ever used to form plurals, except perhaps with numbers and letters--e.g., I got three A's and two B's, or Take all the 7's out of the deck.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hugheshugo richardhughes103@ My choice: Most fair/balanced voice on FFL. lurk Aww shucks, I don't know what to say..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: hugheshugo richardhughes103@ My choice: Most fair/balanced voice on FFL. Aww shucks, I don't know what to say.. That's part of why Lurk said what he did. Unlike many here, when you find yourself not knowing what to say, you don't say anything. Others feel compelled to say something *anyway*. All the difference in the world. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Do you practise the Hassidic TM Program®?
The Hassidic TM Program is the self-development program that, I suggest to you, is the one practised by 99% of those in the TM Movement. It consists of two sessions of daily practise of the TM Technique, as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi followed by daily activity that consists of: - instructions from a Guru on how to live, behave, vote, speak, and practise one's religious beliefs. - belief in said Guru as your master and to hang on his every word. - like Hassidic Jews, there are dictums to follow for every aspect of live: housing, astrology, schooling, eating, religious rites, etc. - the total abandonment of the TM Program Prime Directive (from 1974, I call it the Belgium Declaration...more on that in a following post) which is: do the TM Technique twice a day and then go about your activity AS YOU CHOOSE TO, according to your own common sense and your own convictions and your own traditions, should you choose to follow them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
On Oct 28, 2007, at 11:28 AM, hugheshugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hugheshugo richardhughes103@ My choice: Most fair/balanced voice on FFL. lurk Aww shucks, I don't know what to say.. I too have been enjoying your posts. Great responses, especially to some of the loopier theories presented here. Sal
[FairfieldLife] The Belgium Declaration
The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip They only fell down because the designers hadn't taken account of the vibrations a plane would cause if it collided I'm not sure this is correct, though. I've never heard anything about vibrations having brought the towers down. After all, quite some time elapsed between the time each tower was hit and when it collapsed (almost an hour and a half for the north tower, a little under an hour for the south tower). I saw a documentary about 9/11 and vibration was definately mentioned as a cause, the building may have rattled itself apart. But thinking more about it perhaps it was the collapse of the upper sections due to the infrastructure melting. My memory may not be so good on this. I suppose the vibrations on impact could have weakened the structures so that they came down more easily once the damage from the fires was bad enough. I've just never heard anything about vibrations. snip 9/11 took the world by surprise, even the Israeli secret service didn't have a contingency plan for people using hi-jacked aircraft as suicide bombs. There may not have been a contingency plan, but the possibility of hijacked planes being used as suicide bombs on tall buildings was most definitely considered a possibility for quite some time before 9/11. I mentioned the Israelis because they have to deal with all sorts of possibilities and they were astonished as they hadn't even suspected this, maybe others thought otherwise I don't know. A lot of people suspect Mossad knew it was going to happen (although the story about all the Israelis who worked at the towers not coming to work on September 11 is a vicious myth). snip I'm with you in rejecting the notion that the administration planned and carried it out. I don't reject out of hand, however, the possibility that there was some foreknowledge, or at least some benign neglect in terms of taking measures to protect the U.S. from *some* kind of major terrorist attack. Benign neglect I like that. Courtesy Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who coined the phrase in 1970 in an entirely different context. I don't believe anyone is cynical enough to plan or allow something like that to happen, but they made the most of it by blaming Iraq, Rumsfeld seizing the opportunity. My sister lives in California and she was annoyed enough with CNN to ring up and complain that every time they talked about the upcoming Iraq invasion they showed a picture of the remains of the WTC as a backdrop, a subtle bit of manipulation. Good for her. But they're *still doing it* (not necessarily CNN, but the administration continues to try to link Iraq and 9/11). snip Damn right there is no freedom to publish anything you like, you have to provide evidence for a start, and demonstrate you're qualified to assess the evidence, it's called peer-review and it's a good way to start working out what is from what isn't. That's true in the academic/scholarly field, but not the case at all in the area of popular publishing, not to mention on the Web. A's original statement was about academia I just edited that bit ;-) Sure. The question is whether Angela's sources for her conspiracy theories are as academic as she would like us to believe. I've yet to read a conspiracy theory that didn't say more about the people writing it. As I've said here before, I strongly suspect that there's a great deal of *disinformation* put out by those with something to hide, for the express purpose of sidetracking folks like Angela and Bronte and Bhairitu into pursuing loony conspiracy theories instead of the real dirt. Disinformation by people with something to hide! sounds like a conspiracy, Yup. what real dirt do you have in mind? With regard to 9/11 specifically, I'm not convinced, as I mentioned above, that there wasn't some degree of foreknowledge in certain quarters, or that some measures weren't deliberately omitted that would have made the attack less likely to be successful. Or perhaps simply evidence of the grossest kind of incompetence and the steps taken to cover it up afterward. Still, it wouldn't surprise me, they say the CIA infiltrated UFO groups in the 50's and fed them rubbish to make the public think they were crazy because the less people believed that UFO's were real the less chance there was of mistaking incoming russian missiles for the space brothers. Is it true? I'm not sure if people need help believing crazy things but it's a good story. Don't know whether it's true; it wouldn't surprise me either. On the other
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
My brother was a defense contractor during the Vietnam war. So I've seen it from that side too. There is a lot of slight of hand going on and it has been going on throughout history. There are just those who are so guarded about their egos that they are afraid what will happen if they play a hunch they have about something and they'll be called conspiracy theorists. If you are truly successful at your meditation then there would be no ego to get hurt if you play a hunch. And a lot of the time these hunches (or intuition) pan out to be right and those that weren't still may turn out to be long after we're gone. Angela Mailander wrote: I love it: Strategy theorist. Maybe people don't know what a conspiracy actually is. Every scandal involving corruption in high places of government or big business is a conspiracy come to light—and haven’t we seen our share of Enrons and Attorney firings, etc. lately? The savings and loan crisis of the eighties was a big conspiracy. Every corporation that sells products dangerous to consumers, the tobacco and the pharmaceutical industries, for example, is a conspiracy against those same consumers. Every secret service of every country is, by definition, a conspiratorial society. If a cardinal launders Mafia money in the Vatican bank, then this, too, is a conspiracy, as are all the secret financial dealings of this, the biggest religious corporation/state in the world. When the CIA, in collusion with Mafia hit-men, attempts to murder Fidel Castro, then you can call that a liberal democratic conspiracy in the name of freedom for all I care, but it is a conspiracy just the same. And when the CIA with the help of the industrial giant ITT and a few military men topples a democratically elected government, in Chile, just for example, then we are dealing with a conspiracy, as we are, too, when this same CIA secretly finances Christian-democratic and Social-democratic political parties in Europe, bribes journalists of free media and allegedly independent newspapers, or establishes secret terrorist commandoes, which, of course, doesn’t say that every conspiracy is necessarily an evil one. If, as happened in 1985 and at the behest of the CIA, it was attempted to smuggle five tons of synthetic drugs from Germany to the U.S. in order to finance the Contras in Nicaragua with the profits then this is a conspiracy. When, for those same reasons, the national security advisor of an American president works together with the drug bosses of Medellin, then this is a conspiracy, even if President Bush Senior under the aegis of the War against Drugs then tries to remove all the witnesses. When America secretly imports Nazi scientists with the help of the Vatican after the war so that they can continue doing what they had been doing (including medical experiments on human beings) what could this possibly be if not a conspiracy? And when international finance with the assistance of the Communist experiment kept half of Europe at the standard of living of developing countries for decades, then this was a conspiracy. The fact that it depends on the goodwill of a few international banks whether or not a government gets credit and thus is allowed to live is a conspiracy against every single citizen who believes in democracy. And the men who met to plan the Federal Reserve System did so as “secretly as any conspirators” by their own published admission. These are just a few of the conspiracies I can come up with off the top of my head, but there literally hundreds more. And nineteen Arabs with box cutters! The dumming-down of America has been especially successful if people can believe that. I've seen what airplanes do when they hit buildings---they never behave as the twin towers did. And building seven was a dead give-away. The targets were symbolic---the whole thing was obvious drama and designed that way for effect. If I were a terrorist seriously interested in harming America, I could bring the food-distribution system to a stand-still with four car bombs and there would be a famine in this land. Conspiracies are nothing special, but are an ordinary part of every day politics. And making the term conspiracy taboo is without a doubt a conspiracy in collusion with the spin meisters and opinion fabricators of the world in the interest of all conspirators and against all free and inquiring spirits. But all the conspiracies I’ve mentioned above are small potatoes compared to Nazi Germany and the New World Order. That conspiracy has consistently been pursuing certain goals for hundreds of years and, possibly, for two thousand years and more, or at least since St. Paul conspired with the court philosopher Seneca to turn the cult of Christianity into a state religion. Winston Churchill, as everyone will agree, was a great spirit, a great politician,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please Barry, I was referring to the German use. Here again: Apostrophe is correct for German possessive (genitive) Example: Michael's Brief Correct English: Michaels post. The mixed English German, Michaels Brief, formerly wrong has now been labeled as acceptable use in the Duden. Both Michaels Brief and Michael's Brief are correct now - in German. I stand corrected, but really...how sad. One thing you've got to say for the French is that they *protect their language*. Learning to use it properly is basically the foundation of their educational system, and a French per- song who *doesn't* use it properly is viewed with a certain amount of disdain by other French. They've got whole *departments* in France whose job it is to try to protect the language from creeping bastardizations, such as the use of the English words weekend. Some could say that it's a fool's errand, trying to protect the purity of the language this way, but I admire it. The problems of internationalization and English having become the de facto lingua franca of our age make it really *hard* to keep one's original language intact and preserve its beauty. Maybe a third of the billboards and ads I see here in Spain have several English words in them, used because it's assumed that most people will understand them. At the same time, it creates a kind of gibberish Spanish, similar to the language of Cityspeak used in the film Blade Runner. That was a hodgepodge of English, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, and a dozen other languages, all thrown into a blender. While it is *natural* for such hodge-podge languages to develop, part of me still apprec- iates those who take the time to learn and preserve the original languages themselves. Consider it an affectation on my part if you want. As a writer I invent new language when I think it might be fun to do so, but I try to have learned the old language first. In a way not doing this is like painters who dive straight into abstract art, without ever learning how to paint still lives or landscapes. One of the things that made Picasso's and Dali's forays into new ways of painting *work* is that they had *done their homework*. If you look at their early work, they had traditional styles of painting just *nailed* before they moved past them. I guess I feel similarly about language. It's one thing when James Joyce reinvents the language, knowing what it is he *is* reinventing, and it's quite another when a rap star reinvents the language, with *no clue* what it is he's doing. When I studied French back in high school it was touted to become the language of the world. It didn't and English currently playing that role. English truly is a bastardized language. Languages evolve or devolve according to one's POV. We have English words with spellings that we ignore because we no longer pronounce those words the way we did centuries ago. Take the word through for example. Do we pronounce it thrau? No, we pronounce it like threw or thru. To try to maintain these ancient spellings is impractical or at worst elitism. Languages are supposed to be communication tools. The ones that will survive are the ones that are practical to use and easier to learn. We need a global engineered language. There have been attempts but nothing yet but eventually it may happen. Leave the historical languages to the museums and history books.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The forbidden word/ was Facts Evidence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, About oil. The level of discussion here seems to be kiddie gossip compared to the set-of-complexities that we seem to be ignoring. It's a very complicated issue, no question about it. Judy -- go here: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/IraqWar.html Tell me if you think this guy's a conspiracy nut or if he's cogently summing up the situation. I just skimmed it; most of it seemed to be things I've heard before. I have no reason to think he's a conspiracy nut. On the other hand, it appeared to me that he's supporting my point: we want to *control* the oil, not destroy any good sources of it; oil is in too short supply to risk curtailing the supply any further. If we were to attempt to restrict anybody else's supply, we'd do it by not letting them have access to the oil rather than by destroying its source. This Web page is a bit dated having been posted a couple years ago, but the dynamics he spotlights are still the same. I don't agree with this guy that we should be building electric-nuke plants, but he sure can lay out the facts about BushCo etc. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These accusations are disturbing if true, but I'm not in a position to rebut them. As I said, I don't have first-hand experience of anything going on in India, and my experience with Amma in the US has been positive and uplifting. I suggest again that you post such things to HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://grou ps.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where you might get some informed responses, pro and con. But of course, your forgone conclusion is that gurus and Indian spirituality in general are bad, so maybe it suits you better to post to sites where no one will challenge what you say. Much like yourself, I might add. Nobody can challenge your lies because you yourself operate with anonymous witnesess. It's ironic that the shit you are spreading here hits the fan and hits your own guru. I think she can handle it - I hope you can live with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
Er, Hugh, sorry to suggest, but maybe you were being compared to Fox News -- what with their fair and balanced reporting. Hell with balanced, people. How'sbout we take a stand and start some propaganda too. You know, let's balance and make fair the tsunami of war cries being heard from every media outlet. Here I'll kickstart this. Let's all start swift-Borat-ing disinformation everywhere. Here's some stories just waiting for mass consumption: 1. The CIA was behind the Oprah school scandal. Condolezza found a way to pepper the faculty with operatives from her private guard -- a secret battalion of genetically altered lezzies with the heart gene removed. 2. It's common knowledge that the military superiors of Dubya are all millionaires today from taking the bribes for creating the paperwork to make it seem like GeorgieBoy could, you know, fly a plane. 3. Cheney's shotgunning actually hit two people, and he killed another member of the hunting party who was the group's butler who carried their guns. He's buried out there under a brush pile -- one of the very brush piles DumbYuck is always seen creating on his ranch cuz he's such a goi donchaknow. The butler's widow is a millionaire now. 4. The Internet's still-free-to-report-the-truth blogosphere is the true White Knight of the world, and because of it, over half the kids under 30 in Iran cannot get enough Levi jeans, Jay-Z, and booze-fests. They think the values of their parents are poopy. They're already Americans! See? Given another few years they will be banning the burka and watching TV shows like Clit Nation, Iranian Idol, Ugly Yentl, Dancing with the Sufis, and Dirty Sexy Mullahs. 5. Rush Limbaugh has kill and hate tattooed under his man boobs. 6. Rudy Giuliani is having an affair with Ann Coulter -- each having an addiction to rubber costumes. 7. Turq left France because of, you know, his lisp. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: hugheshugo richardhughes103@ My choice: Most fair/balanced voice on FFL. Aww shucks, I don't know what to say.. That's part of why Lurk said what he did. Unlike many here, when you find yourself not knowing what to say, you don't say anything. Others feel compelled to say something *anyway*. All the difference in the world. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Surely it's, if allowed would be confused with 'it is' Well, the grammatical context is usually different enough that there wouldn't be any actual confusion (other than, What the hell is that apostrophe doing there?). In other words, a sentence will make sense only with the correct spelling. E.g., The dog wagged it is [it's] tail is nonsense. A native speaker would either ignore the apostrophe or be annoyed by it, as opposed to being confused by it. Might cause trouble for a non-native speaker who was in the process of learning to read and write English and didn't yet have a grasp of English syntax, though. My guess is that a non-native speaker who had as good a command of written English as you do would be likely simply not to notice the apostrophe and read the example as its, because that's what naturally fits the syntax of the sentence.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW; all you decent writers are making me painfully aware my grammar is crap, I think I can spell alright but apostrophes' I'm ashamed to say I don't understand. This is a conversational forum, not an English exam. Relax! You get more points for content than most here, and that's a great deal more important. The only reason anybody is beating up on Angela is that she's elevated herself to a pedestal as a judge of English skills when her own leave something to be desired--and won't even admit it when she makes a mistake. We all make grammar and spelling mistakes, including this professional editor. Apostrophes in English are pretty straightforward; it wouldn't take much for you to master their use if you wanted to consult a grammar book. Its vs. it's is easy to figure out--if you can substitute it is or it has and still have the sentence make sense, then it's is correct. If not, no apostrophe. Or, if you could substitute his or hers, then its is correct. (There is never, EVER an apostrophe in hers or theirs, nor are apostrophes ever used to form plurals, except perhaps with numbers and letters--e.g., I got three A's and two B's, or Take all the 7's out of the deck.) Thanks for the lesson! It's much appreciated. I shall endevour to implement it. Actually my spelling of endevour looks a bit suspect, ah well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too have been enjoying your posts. Great responses, especially to some of the loopier theories presented here. Sal Aww, now I really don't know what to say! It's nice to be appreciated on here amongst you guys. To think that 9 times out of 10 I don't press 'send'. Maybe I will in future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er, Hugh, sorry to suggest, but maybe you were being compared to Fox News -- what with their fair and balanced reporting. Hell with balanced, people. How'sbout we take a stand and start some propaganda too. You know, let's balance and make fair the tsunami of war cries being heard from every media outlet. Here I'll kickstart this. Let's all start swift-Borat-ing disinformation everywhere. Here's some stories just waiting for mass consumption: 1. The CIA was behind the Oprah school scandal. Condolezza found a way to pepper the faculty with operatives from her private guard -- a secret battalion of genetically altered lezzies with the heart gene removed. 2. It's common knowledge that the military superiors of Dubya are all millionaires today from taking the bribes for creating the paperwork to make it seem like GeorgieBoy could, you know, fly a plane. 3. Cheney's shotgunning actually hit two people, and he killed another member of the hunting party who was the group's butler who carried their guns. He's buried out there under a brush pile -- one of the very brush piles DumbYuck is always seen creating on his ranch cuz he's such a goi donchaknow. The butler's widow is a millionaire now. 4. The Internet's still-free-to-report-the-truth blogosphere is the true White Knight of the world, and because of it, over half the kids under 30 in Iran cannot get enough Levi jeans, Jay-Z, and booze- fests. They think the values of their parents are poopy. They're already Americans! See? Given another few years they will be banning the burka and watching TV shows like Clit Nation, Iranian Idol, Ugly Yentl, Dancing with the Sufis, and Dirty Sexy Mullahs. 5. Rush Limbaugh has kill and hate tattooed under his man boobs. 6. Rudy Giuliani is having an affair with Ann Coulter -- each having an addiction to rubber costumes. This is interesting Edg, the funny thing is I'm English and haven't got a clue what you're talking about! I've honestly never heard of these people, except Anne Coulter her reputation for freakshow madness has travelled across the pond unfortunately. As long as she doesn't follow it we'll be happy. 7. Turq left France because of, you know, his lisp. Sorry but I wouldn't consider making fun of someones speech impediment, ever. Especially someone I like and respect. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Want a Scary Halloween Movie?
I watched this little gem last night. It is truly scary as the writers wanted to do something scary and not gory as much so-called horror is today. It's a Canadian film called Wind Chill starring Emily Blunt, Ashton Holmes (A History of Violence) and Martin Donovan (Weeds). George Clooney and Steven Soderbergh were executive producers and the DVD distributed by Sony Pictures so this is no indie Z-movie. They went to incredible lengths to dramatize two college kids stuck in the snow off road. Well worth a watch: http://imdb.com/title/tt0486051/ And of course if you want to watch something really scary there's Alex Jones new film Endgame available here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261 (Sorry I just had to push the buttons of the anti-conspiracy folks here).
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger Much like yourself, I might add. Nobody can challenge your lies because you yourself operate with anonymous witnesess. It's ironic that the shit you are spreading here hits the fan and hits your own guru. I think she can handle it - I hope you can live with it. Nabsters, I want to point out what I perceive as a difference in the way you and I respond to this kind of stuff. My response to the Amma stuff was to say “I can’t refute these points because I haven’t witnessed any of it first hand or spoken to anyone who has. I suggest you post it to such-and-such site where more experienced people may respond. My experience so far has been positive.” I also emailed a friend who might know more and posted her response, which corroborated some of the accusations and cast doubt on others. Your response to the Maharishi stuff, as well as Amma, Sai Baba, Muktananda, etc. stuff is to say “It’s all lies. I don’t believe any of it.” The fact is, you don’t know with certainty if it’s all lies, or some of it, or none of it. All you know, perhaps unconsciously, is that it considering that it might be true makes you uncomfortable because it clashes with what you believe, or want to believe. It’s like a Christian saying “I believe Christ was born of a virgin and rose from the dead.” Believing that is fine, but there’s a difference between believing and knowing. The Christian really thinks those things happened, because it shakes his world if he questions them. He therefore dismisses anyone who asks him to question them as doomed to hell, or otherwise faithless and deluded. In other words, he trashes the messenger because it’s too uncomfortable to contemplate the message. It would require too much change in his life and beliefs if the message were true, even partially. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
Some other tidbits from my friend. In case you’re losing track of the relevance of this, Aniruddhan is the fellow who wrote the thing Bronte posted. Dear MH, Thanks for the great reply. Mind if I share it without revealing your identity? Yes, I, too, thought that Aniruddhan is creating future hell for himself. My heart tells me not to buy into the stuff he's saying. Much love, J --- MHC wrote: J--Well I did find it mildly interesting in the same way I find gosip mildy interesting--it passes the time. Perhaps all the dirt is true, I don't know. Many people look for things to be logical and make sense and I don't do that around Mother anymore if I ever did. I''ve cast my lot with her and If she turns out to be a false Messiah or whatever, well, I guess I'll go down with the ship. And if she turns out to be the real thing as I am convinced beyond any shodow of a doubt that she is, well, she'd better take me with her in that case too. I'm stuck on Master's words: Loyatly is the highest virtue. Poor Anniruddin. J wrote:Dear MH, I'm forwarding this to you because the post in question (the SRF walrus site is actually an anti-SRF board, no doubt handled by Ananda.) concerns our old friend Aniruddhan. In fact, from the flawless prose, the use of a pseudonym, etc. I think the poster is probably none other than he, representing himself as only knowing the guy who was doing consulting. (I thought it was Donna doing the actual consulting.) I know Aniruddhan always loved peudonyms and often used them on e-mails he sent me. Love, J No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[FairfieldLife] HD 1955 RFS - The Thought Crime Bill
Don’t be sure. Jane Harman, a Democratic member of the House from California, has just gotten together with fellow members to pass HR 1955 RFS. Just four days ago, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 sailed off to the Senate. Harman had fourteen co-sponsors, ten Democrats and four Republicans. Harman’s bill has been called, quite properly, a “thought crime bill.” http://www.truthnews.us/?p=519 This country apparently isn't teaming enough with terrorists for our government's taste so they are redefining terrorist to include all of us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Heart Full Of Holes
A terrible thing happened to me recently. In all of the rush to pack all my belongings and move to Spain, at the same time that I was working long hours to meet a product deadline, I missed a whole Mark Knopfler album. I rectified this hideous failing today, downloading and listening to Kill To Get Crimson. Several times. This one held out on me. Maybe it was still pissed that I hadn't ordered it from Amazon before it was even released, like I've done with the last few Mark Knopfler albums. Who knows? Whatever the reason, it took me until my second listen to really get into it. And when you do, well, wow. If I had to describe the music in one word, that word would be inaccessible. It's just so simple -- almost folk music -- and the things the songs are about at first listen sound so mundane that a lot of their magic escaped me. I was about to put it away and listen to something else. But then I said to myself, Self, this is a new *Mark Knopfler* album you have in your hands. The man who rocked millions as part of Dire Straits, and went on to more interesting explorations from there? Has he *ever* disappointed? Ever? Listen to it again, fool. I listened to it again, this time with the album play- ing on my real sound system instead of my computer speakers, reading the lyrics online as I listened. All the difference in the world. After all, if I were pressed to list my candidates for Best Songwriters On The Planet, Mark Knopfler would be in the Top Five. And like Bruce Cockburn (the current #1 placeholder in that Top Five), Mark is *subtle*, man. He almost hides the beauty of his visions. But visions they are, in the same Buddhalike, compas- sionate, non-judgmental tradition that I was writing about the other night with regard to Van Morrison. The songs on Kill To Get Crimson are tight little three- to-four-minute short stories. Listen to any of them carefully and you are drawn into the world of that song. I'm actually being serious here. Listen to any of Mark Knopfler's songs intently enough, open yourself up to their magic, and they really *can* transport you to other worlds. Mark is that good a bard in my opinion. To really *get into* a Mark Knopfler song is like gazing at a tarot card so intently that you pass through it and *into* the scene depicted on the card, and get to wander around the scene and explore it. For me, it's as if Mark's songs are his tarot cards, each one of them offering a portal into another time, another reality. Take one song on this album, Madame Geneva's. In it Mark could be, for all we know, writing about one of his own previous incarnations, the musings of a bard sitting in a tavern in some unspecified time in the past or the future, thinking about his life, about what he does for a living, and about life itself, all while waiting for someone to die, because it's a hanging day: I'm a maker of ballads right pretty I write 'em right here in the street You can buy them all over the city Yours for a penny a sheet I'm a word pecker out of the printers Out of the dens of gin lane I'll write up a scene on a counter - confessions and sins in the main, boys Confessions and sins in the main Then you'll find me in Madame Geneva's Keeping the demons at bay There's nothing like gin for drowning them in But they'll always be back on a hanging day... Mark Knopfler is in my Top Five Songwriters On The Planet because, like the other four, he has the ability to create a whole world -- one that you can *go* to, and visit -- using nothing more than words and music and his own voice. This is High Art to me. I revere it at the same level that I revere those who attempt the equally difficult task of being spiritual teachers. The bard spins tales around the campfire. Or out of the speakers of a home cinema system in an apartment in Spain. And -- if the bard is *good* -- the campfire just *goes away*, man. So does the apartment in Spain. All that you can hear is the bard's tale, and the worlds it's describ- ing, worlds that *call* to you, beg you to explore them. So you do, and they're *wonderful* worlds. And, coming back from your guided tour around them, you look around for the bard/tour guide, wanting to thank him for his gift. But he's already started the next tale or the next song, and you don't get to thank him, and ask him how *he* sees this magical ability he seems to have that enables him to share his visions like this. Bummer. But the bard -- as bards have a nasty habit of doing -- seems to hears the unspoken question, and weaves the answer into the words of the song he's singing: You can tell me your troubles I'll listen for free My regulars trust me, it seems You can come and see Uncle To get through the week Leave your pledges with me to redeem Some folk sell their bodies For ten bob a go Politicians go pawning their souls Which doesn't make me Look too bad, don't you know Me, with my heart full of holes All my
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, biosoundbill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium. WOW, priceless nostalgia! I guess MMY did take a left turn at some point, as someone put it here on this NG, (according to Charlie Lutes). So what happened, too much curry? :-) Strategies change, just like in war!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you practise the Hassidic TM Program®?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Hassidic TM Program is the self-development program that, I suggest to you, is the one practised by 99% of those in the TM Movement. It consists of two sessions of daily practise of the TM Technique, as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi followed by daily activity that consists of: - instructions from a Guru on how to live, behave, vote, speak, and practise one's religious beliefs. - belief in said Guru as your master and to hang on his every word. - like Hassidic Jews, there are dictums to follow for every aspect of live: housing, astrology, schooling, eating, religious rites, etc. - the total abandonment of the TM Program Prime Directive (from 1974, I call it the Belgium Declaration...more on that in a following post) which is: do the TM Technique twice a day and then go about your activity AS YOU CHOOSE TO, according to your own common sense and your own convictions and your own traditions, should you choose to follow them. MMY's goal has always been larger than you or me!! Now we are seeing the real MMY and what his real goals are!! Institutional transformation to Vedic culture, that has most likely always been his goal! TM/lite was just a teaser Shemp, comeon!! MMY is not a personal Guru, for a good reason, that ain't his bag! It's still the finest Vedic/Hinduism has to offer, I suppose, although there may be even more to it...look at the advanced techniques, not only do you have to effortlessly repeat a whole host of syllables but in a certain area of the body as well, where is all of this leading? and like lots of other things MMY started, they were never finished!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
MHC wrote: J--Well I did find it mildly interesting in the same way I find gosip mildy interesting--it passes the time. Perhaps all the dirt is true, I don't know. Many people look for things to be logical and make sense and I don't do that around Mother anymore if I ever did. I''ve cast my lot with her and If she turns out to be a false Messiah or whatever, well, I guess I'll go down with the ship. And if she turns out to be the real thing as I am convinced beyond any shodow of a doubt that she is, well, she'd better take me with her in that case too. I'm stuck on Master's words: Loyatly is the highest virtue. Poor Anniruddin. Lurk: Yowzer. I'm tryin to think if this was me 25 years ago. I hope not. Kinda sums up cult mentality.
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Languages are supposed to be communication tools. The ones that will survive are the ones that are practical to use and easier to learn. We need a global engineered language. There have been attempts but nothing yet but eventually it may happen. Leave the historical languages to the museums and history books. My gut feeling is that young people at least here in Finland like English partly because its spelling feels cool. Its wiöd, bat inglish ritn moo akoding tu pronansieishn(shaks!) samhau luks olmoust agli.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger MHC wrote: J--Well I did find it mildly interesting in the same way I find gosip mildy interesting--it passes the time. Perhaps all the dirt is true, I don't know. Many people look for things to be logical and make sense and I don't do that around Mother anymore if I ever did. I''ve cast my lot with her and If she turns out to be a false Messiah or whatever, well, I guess I'll go down with the ship. And if she turns out to be the real thing as I am convinced beyond any shodow of a doubt that she is, well, she'd better take me with her in that case too. I'm stuck on Master's words: Loyatly is the highest virtue. Poor Anniruddin. Lurk: Yowzer. I'm tryin to think if this was me 25 years ago. I hope not. Kinda sums up cult mentality. Yeah, I posted that in the spirit of full disclosure, not because I thought it would strengthen my case. I’m not the blind loyalty type. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger Much like yourself, I might add. Nobody can challenge your lies because you yourself operate with anonymous witnesess. It's ironic that the shit you are spreading here hits the fan and hits your own guru. I think she can handle it - I hope you can live with it. Nabsters, I want to point out what I perceive as a difference in the way you and I respond to this kind of stuff. My response to the Amma stuff was to say I can't refute these points because I haven't witnessed any of it first hand or spoken to anyone who has. I suggest you post it to such- and-such site where more experienced people may respond. My experience so far has been positive. I also emailed a friend who might know more and posted her response, which corroborated some of the accusations and cast doubt on others. Your response to the Maharishi stuff, as well as Amma, Sai Baba, Muktananda, etc. stuff is to say It's all lies. I don't believe any of it. The fact is, you don't know with certainty if it's all lies, or some of it, or none of it. All you know, perhaps unconsciously, is that it considering that it might be true makes you uncomfortable because it clashes with what you believe, or want to believe. It's like a Christian saying I believe Christ was born of a virgin and rose from the dead. Believing that is fine, but there's a difference between believing and knowing. The Christian really thinks those things happened, because it shakes his world if he questions them. He therefore dismisses anyone who asks him to question them as doomed to hell, or otherwise faithless and deluded. In other words, he trashes the messenger because it's too uncomfortable to contemplate the message. It would require too much change in his life and beliefs if the message were true, even partially. You are trying to justify that you are spreading rumours. Wether they are true or false, contentwise, are of no importance. At least to me. The stuff you are spreading about MMy could be true or not. It is of no importance for me if it is true, as I have stated before. It does not diminish his positive influence on my life or the influence he has had and continue to have on the life of this planet. The reason I labelled you white trash is because you are thriving in that gossip. Gossip without substance because your source does not want to talk. But you will continue without doubt. Even though your ways and lack of principle and honour are subtly hurting your own guru, but not touching her as she is beyond that, by sowing doubt and division in the minds of her followers. Different stories, same lack of honour and discipline lies at their foundation in the minds of characters like yourself. May you be able to live with that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, biosoundbill smithybill@ wrote: Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15- minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium. WOW, priceless nostalgia! I guess MMY did take a left turn at some point, as someone put it here on this NG, (according to Charlie Lutes). So what happened, too much curry? :-) Strategies change, just like in war!! The Movement belongs to those that moves.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger You are trying to justify that you are spreading rumours. Wether they are true or false, contentwise, are of no importance. At least to me. The stuff you are spreading about MMy could be true or not. It is of no importance for me if it is true, as I have stated before. It does not diminish his positive influence on my life or the influence he has had and continue to have on the life of this planet. I agree with you on that. All it does is make me take everything he says with a grain of salt. In other words, I don’t think, as I once did, that “everything he says must be true because he’s enlightened.” It also raises interesting questions regarding the correlation of ethics and higher states of consciousness. Are they as tightly correlated as Maharishi said they were? Apparently not. Is there any absolute value to ethical standards or are they just a matter of culture and personal preference? The reason I labelled you white trash is because you are thriving in that gossip. “Thriving” is not a verb I would have chosen. Gossip without substance because your source does not want to talk. But they’ve talked to me, so for me it has substance and is more than gossip. But you will continue without doubt. You bring it up more often than I do. Even though your ways and lack of principle and honour are subtly hurting your own guru, but not touching her as she is beyond that, by sowing doubt and division in the minds of her followers. It’s not clear to me how I am doing that. Please explain. Different stories, same lack of honour and discipline lies at their foundation in the minds of characters like yourself. May you be able to live with that. Last time I checked my heart was still beating. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[FairfieldLife] Say what?
Say what? by Nathan Burstein The Jerusalem PostTranslate This Article 28 October 2007 On 28 October 2007 The Jerusalem Post reported: Film director, and four-time Oscar nominee, David Lynch recently met with Israeli film students and politicians to promote Transcendental Meditation and answer questions about his work. It is a joy for Global Good News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of the life-supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment to the field of culture. The Jerusalem Post reported, 'As he explains at a Monday press conference at Jerusalem's Sam Spiegel Film and Television School, Lynch believes many of Israel's problems could be solvedor at least significantly diminishedwere the country to find '250 advanced meditators working day by day to bring harmony, peace, happiness and creativity, and to dissolve this [regional] enmity'.' 'He's not suggesting peace will arrive merely as a result of meditation', the article stated, 'but instead advocates the practice as a way of changing the country's emotional and spiritual balance'. The Jerusalem Post quoted Lynch as saying, 'I want Israel to have a peace-creating group. Keep everything the same, keep your defenses the same. Just add this group [of meditators] and keep them protected and working.' He also stated that the group of meditators should be in Israel 'on a permanent basis, radiating a glorious field of unity every day'. The article noted that the practice of Transcendental Meditation has 'clearly made a difference for him ... leading the filmmaker to establish the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace, ... [which] promotes meditation primarily as a boost to children's education.' The director said that he meditates twice a day, which has helped him during his multi-level artistic career. He also noted that in the United States children's learning improves when Transcendental Meditation is added to the curriculum. The director also explained the benefits of Transcendental Meditation in separate meetings with Israel's Education Minister Yuli Tamir, with Culture, Science and Sport Minister Ghaleb Majadle, and with President Shimon Peres. Every day Global Good News documents the rise of a better quality of life dawning in the world and highlights the need for introducing Natural Law basedTotal Knowledge basedprogrammes to bring the support of Nature to every individual, raise the quality of life of every society, and create a lasting state of world peace. Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service. - Jetzt Mails schnell in einem Vorschaufenster überfliegen. Dies und viel mehr bietet das neue Yahoo! Mail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It also raises interesting questions regarding the correlation of ethics and higher states of consciousness. Are they as tightly correlated as Maharishi said they were? Is that what he said, Rick? Or did he talk about something more like spontaneous right action and not making mistakes? Because if the course of action is unfathomable--even to the enlightened--as Krishna declares in the Gita, how would anyone ever know what right was in any given situation?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: It also raises interesting questions regarding the correlation of ethics and higher states of consciousness. Are they as tightly correlated as Maharishi said they were? Is that what he said, Rick? Or did he talk about something more like spontaneous right action and not making mistakes? Because if the course of action is unfathomable--even to the enlightened--as Krishna declares in the Gita, how would anyone ever know what right was in any given situation? P.S.: This is *not* to excuse any of MMY's behavior that may have been untoward. I'm making a different point altogether.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Movement belongs to those that move. Unless, of course that movement is away from the National/International movementhey, can you dig that group in Utah, still teaching under the name SRM, (last I heard) boy I bet the movement would love to get rid of those heathens!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
Hughes wrote: I hope you read the Blind Watchmaker it changed my life in that it opened my eyes to something thats going on in the world that people think they know about but don't really. It's not about conspiracies or anything like that, it's simply a book about how life got to be so complicated without any help, it's both awesome and humbling. I recommend it because it's an object lesson in how to marshall evidence, construct an argument and demonstrate when your opponents are wrong and why. Mr Icke could do with reading it as it grounds you in respect for the process of science as opposed to wild theorising. It makes you see the world differently. Bronte writes: I think being scientific is so important in research of any kind: documentation is essential. When I read he said she said, I get disgusted. That is no more than gossip. Nothing to build knowledge on. I do, however, find Icke documenting most (not all) of his information. I've actually written him complaining that he ought to do it more, but like most of us -- me included -- he gets carried away by his feelings sometimes and goes on little tirades. Definitely not scientific, and you are good to call us all on it when we do it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
Lurk: Yowzer. I'm tryin to think if this was me 25 years ago. I hope not. Kinda sums up cult mentality. Rick: Yeah, I posted that in the spirit of full disclosure, not because I thought it would strengthen my case. I'm not the blind loyalty type. Lurk: Rick, I knew that had to be the case. Really neat IMO that you laid it on the line Thanks!
[FairfieldLife] spelling errors and conspiracy theories and thought police
I was under the impression that a chat room is about informal and friendly conversation. It is not a formal debate nor a submission to a peer reviewed journal. For this reason, I do not spend time to do much editing. I find that when I make some point, some minor side issue is attacked and the major point is ignored. I've noticed this with others in this environment as well. And the result is that the discussion degenerates into pointless bickering. Someone is appalled at my leaving out an apostrophe in the word its. This is a bad habit of mine, but it always gets edited out of any writing I publish. I am sorry that English education has become so trivialized that a spelling error appalls folks. Just about all the posts I've seen are full of spelling errors. Even the one that complained about my spelling left the apostrophe off my name when it was required. So what? Can we not read what others have to say and respond to that? My major point was that Iran is China's major source for oil and that she might not sit on her hands while that source is endangered, as war could do in a dozen or more ways. Rather than say that, I used a blanket term carpet bombing. Instead of responding to the substance of what I said, I got incredibly uncharitable flak about merely rhetorical issues. Grad school is a very vicious environment in which no kind of stupidity would be tolerated, but they never degenerate into attacking matters in another's argument that aren't substantive. If they did, they wouldn't last because such attacks are really petty. Now, about conspiracy theory. No one here knows the extent or the quality of my research because I have not had a chance to present any of it. I was attacked as a conspiracy nut based on no real knowledge of what my beliefs and theories really are, nor what my evidence is. This climate produces the thought police that we are in danger of right now. By this time, I'm also convinced no one here would have the patience to really listen and consider my point of view with any kind of fairness. I challenge anyone here to accurately say what the conspiracies are that I actually believe can be supported by evidence. But unless you are willing to listen to the evidence, you do not have the right to attack the point of view. I have said enough for everyone to know that I do believe 9/11 was an inside job. Someone asked if I was an building engineer. No I am not; that's why I've consulted with building engineers qualified to address the issue. But, again, that is a small part of the extant evidence. I am also by no means alone in believing there is enough evidence to call it an inside job. A British member of parliament has said so. And a former director of the German secret service has also said so. Both are sober men whose jobs put them in a position to understand world events. Name calling, jumping to conclusions, attacking rhetorical rather than substantive matters---all that is a waste of my time. If I don't get any more intelligent responses than this, then, like Bronte, I am out of here. a TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And its as a possessive never, EVER has an apostrophe. Judy, don't come down too hard down on her. This would be a typical German thing to do. In German, possessives are written with apostrophes. The problem in Germany right now is, that the English usage has mixed through popular culture so much that both versions are officially accepted now. That's what illiterates would have you believe. :-) It's not true, no matter what you might have heard. The misuse of 'its' and 'it's' is one of the easiest ways to tell whether a writer of English cares enough about the readers of his or her writing to use it properly. I would venture to say that there is no book of English grammar out there that presents this misuse as acceptable. English is a *bitch* to learn. It often seems to have more exceptions than it does rules, and many of the rules don't seem to make sense. While what you say about accepted usage is true about some things (like the use of try and do something... instead of the proper try to do something...), I for one hope that Americans never get so dumbed down as to forget how to properly use 'its' and 'it's' properly. The bottom line of language misuse, in my opinion, is what we've seen here recently. Someone makes a mistake, one that they've been making for a long time, someone else corrects it, and the first person, rather than wising up and *learning a little something*, claims that they misspelled the word or used the improper grammar on purpose for effect. I'm with Judy on this one -- railing about the quality of US education while
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some other tidbits from my friend. In case you're losing track of the relevance of this, Aniruddhan is the fellow who wrote the thing Bronte posted. Rick, I AM losing track. I posted a number of things, not just one, so which piece are you referring to? Who was the Joint Secretary in charge of accounts -- are you saying now that guy was only a consultant, never Amma's joint secretary as claimed? Or are we talking about two different people? It would be helpful, in referencing an item, if your friends and you would quote from it so the readers can identify which article they're referring to. There is more material coming in from the website about Amma's AIMS hospital. I'll forward one of the pieces. Dear MH, Thanks for the great reply. Mind if I share it without revealing your identity? Yes, I, too, thought that Aniruddhan is creating future hell for himself. My heart tells me not to buy into the stuff he's saying. Much love, J --- MHC wrote: J--Well I did find it mildly interesting in the same way I find gosip mildy interesting--it passes the time. Perhaps all the dirt is true, I don't know. Many people look for things to be logical and make sense and I don't do that around Mother anymore if I ever did. I''ve cast my lot with her and If she turns out to be a false Messiah or whatever, well, I guess I'll go down with the ship. And if she turns out to be the real thing as I am convinced beyond any shodow of a doubt that she is, well, she'd better take me with her in that case too. I'm stuck on Master's words: Loyatly is the highest virtue. Poor Anniruddin. J wrote:Dear MH, I'm forwarding this to you because the post in question (the SRF walrus site is actually an anti-SRF board, no doubt handled by Ananda.) concerns our old friend Aniruddhan. In fact, from the flawless prose, the use of a pseudonym, etc. I think the poster is probably none other than he, representing himself as only knowing the guy who was doing consulting. (I thought it was Donna doing the actual consulting.) I know Aniruddhan always loved peudonyms and often used them on e-mails he sent me. Love, J No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
Rick wrote: Yeah, I posted that in the spirit of full disclosure, not because I thought it would strengthen my case. I'm not the blind loyalty type. Bronte writes: Archer, if you really hold the attitude you expressed in your long post to Nabloss today, and here, you won't be misled for long. Just as you saw through the illusions of TM eventually. Good for you for examining these things. The answers are out there. Check out the archives on that ex-amma website, and you will get reams of first-person accounts from long-term devotees, many of whom served in the Indian ashram for years and years before leaving. Don't be afraid of researching this, of finding out more truth. It can only lead you to still better things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because if the course of action is unfathomable--even to the enlightened--as Krishna declares in the Gita, There is a group of Beings called the Lipika or the Scribes of the Akasa who do know the course of action; also called the Lords of Karma. As MMY does not address this in his BG I think it would be wrong to conclude that the course of action is unfathomable to any and at all times. MMY's point was it was not *necessary* to know the total course of action in order to benefit from acting in accord with it. In Hinduism they are called the Chaturdevas and are great spiritual Intelligences who keep the karmic records and adjust the complicated workings of karmic law Annie Besant The Ancient Wisdom. how would anyone ever know what right was in any given situation? I would think Intuition, based on ...spontaneous right action (like you mentioned), in CC where one becomes capable of performing actions in complete accordance with the laws of nature... MMY Gita 3:8
Re: [FairfieldLife] spelling errors and conspiracy theories and thought police
On Oct 28, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Name calling, jumping to conclusions, attacking rhetorical rather than substantive matters---all that is a waste of my time. If I don't get any more intelligent responses than this, then, like Bronte, I am out of here. a Yep, Bronte has certainly made good on her promise to stay away. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: spelling errors and conspiracy theories and thought police
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Someone is appalled at my leaving out an apostrophe in the word its. No, it was that you put one in where it didn't belong. Apparently you can't read either. This is a bad habit of mine, but it always gets edited out of any writing I publish. I am sorry that English education has become so trivialized that a spelling error appalls folks. Just about all the posts I've seen are full of spelling errors. Even the one that complained about my spelling left the apostrophe off my name when it was required. There's no apostrophe in your name on the Web site. So what? Can we not read what others have to say and respond to that? My major point was that Iran is China's major source for oil and that she might not sit on her hands while that source is endangered, as war could do in a dozen or more ways. That's a reasonable point. Your manner of communicating it was not. Rather than say that, I used a blanket term carpet bombing. Instead of responding to the substance of what I said, I got incredibly uncharitable flak about merely rhetorical issues. Words have meanings, Angela. You said carpet bomb the oil wells. As I pointed out, the last thing the U.S. would want to do is destroy Iran's oil wells; and if they were going to do that, they wouldn't use carpet bombing. So there were two errors of substance in that comment. They weren't rhetorical issues, sorry. Grad school is a very vicious environment in which no kind of stupidity would be tolerated, but they never degenerate into attacking matters in another's argument that aren't substantive. If they did, they wouldn't last because such attacks are really petty. This is not grad school, Angela, it's a chat forum, a social venue. When you stuffily put yourself on a pedestal and sneer at the English skills of others, you need to expect you're going to be knocked down right quick if your own skills aren't up to snuff. It's your *attitude* that's problematic, more than your position on this issue. snip By this time, I'm also convinced no one here would have the patience to really listen and consider my point of view with any kind of fairness. I challenge anyone here to accurately say what the conspiracies are that I actually believe can be supported by evidence. But unless you are willing to listen to the evidence, you do not have the right to attack the point of view. You've said more than enough to indicate what direction you were heading in. You didn't think we'd never encountered the Nazi-New Age comparison, did you? Try a Google search. It's a staple of fundie Christians, as I believe I mentioned before, among others. I first encountered it at least two decades ago. There's a book coming out shortly from the right- wing columnist Jonah Goldberg called Liberal Fascism: The Totalitarian Temptation. It compares Nazism to liberal policies. From Amazon: Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism. Hmm, why does that sound familiar? It's manipulative in the extreme to withhold your conclusions and force us to wade through post after post of research findings before getting to the point. You know what an abstract is, right? Give us an abstract of your thesis, then give us the evidence and let us decide whether you've made your case. I have said enough for everyone to know that I do believe 9/11 was an inside job. And that's enough, for people who are reasonably well informed and appropriately skeptical, to dismiss you as a conspiracy nut.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--Apart from ordinary tools of conscience, logic, etc; which everyone should use, the question targets those on the Spiritual path...how is their discernment different, adding certain practices, such as TM. Karma is ultimately unfathomable, but in addition to TM, chanting the Gayatri mantra helps one get into sync with Natural Law, along with certain Buddhist mantras. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Because if the course of action is unfathomable--even to the enlightened--as Krishna declares in the Gita, There is a group of Beings called the Lipika or the Scribes of the Akasa who do know the course of action; also called the Lords of Karma. As MMY does not address this in his BG I think it would be wrong to conclude that the course of action is unfathomable to any and at all times. MMY's point was it was not *necessary* to know the total course of action in order to benefit from acting in accord with it. In Hinduism they are called the Chaturdevas and are great spiritual Intelligences who keep the karmic records and adjust the complicated workings of karmic law Annie Besant The Ancient Wisdom. how would anyone ever know what right was in any given situation? I would think Intuition, based on ...spontaneous right action (like you mentioned), in CC where one becomes capable of performing actions in complete accordance with the laws of nature... MMY Gita 3:8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Because if the course of action is unfathomable--even to the enlightened--as Krishna declares in the Gita, There is a group of Beings called the Lipika or the Scribes of the Akasa who do know the course of action; also called the Lords of Karma. As MMY does not address this in his BG I think it would be wrong to conclude that the course of action is unfathomable to any and at all times. The context was what human beings can know, so this is irrelevant. MMY's point was it was not *necessary* to know the total course of action in order to benefit from acting in accord with it. Which is fortunate, since we *cannot* know it, according to Krishna. snip how would anyone ever know what right was in any given situation? I would think Intuition, based on ...spontaneous right action (like you mentioned), in CC where one becomes capable of performing actions in complete accordance with the laws of nature... MMY Gita 3:8 But my point was, that has nothing to do with ethics. One's intuition might tell one to do something that most people would view as unethical.
[FairfieldLife] A new language paradigm
Those whose panties become twisted at the thought of declining English skills might find this essay instructive and perhaps even elevating: http://tinyurl.com/2e59m8 It takes a close look at Leetspeak and LOLCats, two evolving linguistic phenomena that owe their existence to computers and the Internet. Brief excerpt: The great thing about all of this is how we can see new languages forming out of a new medium, and since the pace is abnormally fast, we can watch it evolve over weeks instead of decades. It also demonstrates how the Internet changes the way we connect and communicate. These words and macros depend on the users manipulating not only the information being passed back and forth, but the format of the codes we agree on to represent the information. Strunk and White would probably be appalled, but then again, maybe not. The kids, of course, are the ones who are becoming fluent in, using, and further articulating these new forms of communication. It's no wonder the rules of grammar and spelling and syntax don't engage them; they're developing their own languages that don't depend on rules. It's worth checking out the various links in the essay too, especially the one to the Wikipedia entry on Leetspeak. What I take away from this is that the old paradigm of language as a means of commmunication that evolves slowly and adheres to a set of fixed rules may be on its way out, to be replaced by a whole new repertory of extraordinarily fluid and creative ways to communicate. As a professional editor who makes my living from the old paradigm being what it is, I have the sense my timing was just right: my knowledge of the rules will not begin to decline in value until after I retire, but before I die, I'll have had just a glimpse of the mind-blowing possibilities of a new paradigm of language.
[FairfieldLife] To Nabby re: Archer / Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
Nabloss wrote to Archer: You are trying to justify that you are spreading rumours. Wether they are true or false, contentwise, are of no importance. At least to me. The stuff you are spreading about MMy could be true or not. It is of no importance for me if it is true, as I have stated before. It does not diminish his positive influence on my life or the influence he has had and continue to have on the life of this planet. Bronte writes: Nabloss, I too have had positive influences on my life on account of Maharishi. I have also had negative ones, but I treasure the positive. There's no denying, in my mind, that MMY contributed good to my life. At the same time, I personally know one woman who had a sexual encounter with him -- she told me the story. She is a person outside the TM movement who actually likes Maharishi and sees no problems with his having been sexual. I also know another woman, whose name is highly regarded within the TM movement, who confided in Rick about a very explicit sexual invitation MMY made to her on more than one occasion. She insisted that Rick keep it confidential. This is not a rumor he subscribes to, but his firsthand experience of a firsthand account. I know this same woman shared a troubling story that bordered on sexual with my old friend Sharon Ballyntine, a TM governor who died some years back. Sharon told me that the anonymous person shared with her that when she went in to see MMY privately, he would always put his head in her lap. Again, this undisclosed person is a very high-ranking TMer, whose name is as deeply written into TM movement history as Larry Domash or Keith Wallace. She's almost that famous. If Rick says she told him this, I believe him, and I believe Sharon who told me the troubling head-in-the-lap part of it 23 years ago. Also, there is Conny Larson, who you may remember as one of MMY's skin boys from Sweden. Conny is a personal friend of Rick's, as Rick was not in the inner circle but right on the fringe, a member of International Staff for many years. Conny wrote an autobiography recently, and he sent a copy of it to me as he was looking for an American editor. In it he tells of female disciples slipping into MMY's quarters at late hours of the night, coming out dissheveled much later, and the knowledge among the skin boys that sex was going on. Mostly the book is about Conny's experiences some time later as a disciple of Sai Baba, who sexually molested him time and time again, as he did many young, blonde, male disciples. Conny tells this humiliating story in an effort to bring out the truth, and the book has already been published and well-received in Sweden. In the story, four ashramites confront Sai Baba about the sex, are asked to stay in the room for a few minutes, get locked in, and later are found murdered. There is a lot of funny stuff going on with these gurus, and that does NOT mean there are not genuine practitioners of meditation, like yourself, who are focusing on the good they've learned and putting it to good use. Your love and loyalty are admirable. Your gratitude is beautiful. MMY deserves much of it. He gave us so many good things. But there is another side to the story that hasn't been seen, and people who follow the gurus have a right to know it. Then they can do with that knowledge what they choose. Where I stand on these matters is this: deep within us all is a pure field of eternity, and we are eternal individual spirits that live and breathe within That. We are unbounded at our core, the universe is our nature, and our purpose here is to express divine freedom, love, creativity and joy. Some teachers have appeared who pointed us the way toward connecting with that nature, so real but hidden by thoughts. Along the way of our learning, so many teachers took advantage of us. But the truth about our nature is the same and never can be taken away, although it can be and has been twisted and manipulated, to serve the purposes of others. I'll never throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm so glad and grateful to know who I am. But I will do everything in my power to expose the behavior of spiritual teachers who take the sincere spiritual aspirations of the innocent and use them to serve their selfish purposes. It confuses the real meaning of spirituality, and of self-realization. Nabloss wrote to Archer: The reason I labelled you white trash is because you are thriving in that gossip. Gossip without substance because your source does not want to talk. Bronte writes: Archer gossips in the sense that he shares little snippets from people's past, like what band someone belonged to, and he usually cruises on the surface of discussions in FFL instead of going deeply into them. But what he has written about people's accounts of sexual encounters with MMY isn't gossip. And it's clear in the Sexy Sadie files in the archives of this forum that he's not the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Hughes
Bronte: I do, however, find Icke documenting most (not all) of his information. I've actually written him complaining that he ought to do it more, but like most of us -- me included -- he gets carried away by his feelings sometimes and goes on little tirades. Definitely not scientific, and you are good to call us all on it when we do it. Lurk: The thing is, Bronte, you give no quarter when blasting the inconsistencies and flaws you see in guru school of thought. Why do you tolerate it in Icke's theories?
[FairfieldLife] Colbert v. Edwards:
From Karen Tumulty's Swampland blog on Time.com: October 28, 2007 2:54 Colbert v. Edwards: The Battle of the Favorite Sons It's come to this. The State newspaper in South Carolina publishes the stats for the two candidates who claim favorite-son status, including this from Colbert: John Edwards left South Carolina when he was 1 year old. He had his chance. Saying his parents moved him that's the easy answer. To which Edwards' ever-vigilant spokesman Eric Schultz puts out this rapid-response piece: RHETORIC VS REALITY: STEPHEN COLBERT - PLAYING LOOSE WITH THE FACTS CLAIM: Edwards abandoned South Carolina when he was one year old. FACT: Edwards was born in South Carolina, learned to walk in South Carolina, learned to talk to in South Carolina, and will kick Stephen Colbert's New York City butt in South Carolina. Stephen Colbert claims to represent a new kind of politics, but today we see he's participating in the slash and burn politics that has no place in American discourse. The truthiness is, as the candidate of Doritos, Colbert's hands are stained by corporate corruption and nacho cheese. John Edwards has never taken a dime from salty food lobbyists and America deserves a President who isn't in the pocket of the snack food special interests.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brontebaxter8 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some other tidbits from my friend. In case you're losing track of the relevance of this, Aniruddhan is the fellow who wrote the thing Bronte posted. Rick, I AM losing track. I posted a number of things, not just one, so which piece are you referring to? Who was the Joint Secretary in charge of accounts -- are you saying now that guy was only a consultant, never Amma's joint secretary as claimed? Or are we talking about two different people? It would be helpful, in referencing an item, if your friends and you would quote from it so the readers can identify which article they're referring to. I’m afraid I can’t keep it straight myself, but my friend whose response I posted has joined FFL. Perhaps she’ll clarify things. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM
[FairfieldLife] Creating power out of thin air
http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_2100-11392_3-621.html
[FairfieldLife] Back to Archer/ on ethics and higher consciousness
Rick wrote: I don't think, as I once did, that everything he says must be true because he's enlightened. It also raises interesting questions regarding the correlation of ethics and higher states of consciousness. Are they as tightly correlated as Maharishi said they were? Apparently not. Is there any absolute value to ethical standards or are they just a matter of culture and personal preference? Bronte writes: Surely ethics is not just a matter of personal preference. The concept of morality has to do with how individual action affects the whole. What's right can't just be a matter of what I feel like doing. The whole -- others -- have to be considered. It's also not just a matter of culture. In the Filipano culture, it's considered fine if a man lies to his mate, even cheats on her. Does that make it all right, because the culture accepts it? In ancient civilizations, human sacrifice was popular. Does that mean it was ethical? I wouldn't say there are absolute standards to ethics, though, either -- the only alternative to a matter of personal preference that you present above. I believe in situation ethics, defining what's right to do in the moment based on the unique parameters of the situation. But the choice has to be made in light of the larger perspective, not just the personal one. Neither, though, should personal need be sacrificed on the altar of of cultural prejudice: situations like Iran, where women's rights are unheard of, or marriages where people stay with a partner knowing it's for neither one's highest good. The answer of what's right or wrong should come from the place in the heart where the ego unites with the Infinite, where both are present together, and the ego is in its most expanded state. Then personal desire is fairly heard in the courtroom of the eternal, and a just decision gets rendered that benefits all. Your paragraph above is too reminiscent of the excuses the enlightened give for their hurtful behaviors: they are above the considerations of good and evil. No one ever is. This is more neo- advaitan-type thinking, that blurs the edges of responsibility. There is always a right, or best, action in a situation. There are always choices that lead to less-than-a-great outcome, or to suffering. To take the position that higher states of consciousness and ethics are not correlated opens the door to people doing whatever they darn well please as long as they feel cosmic enough to justify any actions. It also means enlightenment is just a feel-good, selfish thing, not something that benefits the whole. But true enlightenment can't be like that. It must be a state where the individual ego, rather than being subsumed by the infinite, is transformed into perfection. Hurtful, destructive traits are gone. The person is a saint, the peak of human evolution. If one's definition of enlightenment does not include this (as is the case in the Wednesday Night Satsang's collective guruship, for instance), enlightenment is nothing more than spiritual masturbation. Its own self-centered little drama, where the whole universe is mood- made to be part of itself but where people can be treated like shit. You can't divorce character from genuine higher consciousness. Because the Infinite, which we're one with in those states, is a field of love and grace, not selfishness or hurtfulness. Character has to be perfect when the individual spirit is established in That. That's the place where right decisions come from, solutions which provide the greatest good for all. People who admit character flaws but tell us they are enlightened are false teachers. They're the pied pipers leading most of the New Age movement right into the side of the mountain.
[FairfieldLife] gone and back again
Yep, Bronte has certainly made good on her promise to stay away. Sal Sal,you just keep drawing me back with all that dripping charisma of yours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: gone and back again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, Bronte has certainly made good on her promise to stay away. Sal Sal,you just keep drawing me back with all that dripping charisma of yours. Nothing wrong with changing your mind, but it would be nice if you could bring yourself to acknowledge that you'd done so instead of pretending you hadn't stalked off in a huff because the person who led you to join had proved himself a traitor and you intended to put many miles between [you] and him permanently.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brontebaxter8 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger Rick wrote: Yeah, I posted that in the spirit of full disclosure, not because I thought it would strengthen my case. I'm not the blind loyalty type. Bronte writes: Archer, if you really hold the attitude you expressed in your long post to Nabloss today, and here, you won't be misled for long. Just as you saw through the illusions of TM eventually. Good for you for examining these things. The answers are out there. Check out the archives on that ex-amma website, and you will get reams of first-person accounts from long-term devotees, many of whom served in the Indian ashram for years and years before leaving. Don't be afraid of researching this, of finding out more truth. It can only lead you to still better things. I also know people much closer to Amma than these critics ever were. I’ve driven and chatted with the woman who is Amma’s private attendant – who sleeps in her room, etc., as well as her public attendant. These two are with her 24/7. I was very impressed with both of them. They are down-to-earth, unassuming, natural, good-humored, and not at all weird or secretive about Amma, the way their counterparts in the TM movement would probably be. They may be unaware of the things you bring up, but I doubt it because they are like her shadows, and hear everything. In fact, not only those two, but the swamis who have been with her for decades would impress just about anyone with their simplicity, humility, and genuineness. Maharishi used to say that you can judge the quality of a guru by the quality of the people around him, and if that is true, these folks are an impressive testimonial. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM
[FairfieldLife] To Lurk
Bronte: I do, however, find Icke documenting most (not all) of his information. I've actually written him complaining that he ought to do it more, but like most of us -- me included -- he gets carried away by his feelings sometimes and goes on little tirades. Definitely not scientific, and you are good to call us all on it when we do it. Lurk: The thing is, Bronte, you give no quarter when blasting the inconsistencies and flaws you see in guru school of thought. Why do you tolerate it in Icke's theories? Hi, Lurk! Have you read Icke, either of this two most recent books? If you read them, you might understand why I don't blast him. I don't find flaws or inconsistencies in the guy. I sometimes find him petty and sometimes he is too hasty shooting off his mouth and not substantiating his evidence. But enough evidence is there to make me pay notice. Again, it's not his reasoning I have a problem with. He has a remarkable ability to breaks the boxes of my preconceptions and show me a whole new way of looking at data I previously thought could only be interpreted a certain way. And often, his observations resonate with me deeply as truth. Certainly not all the time, but enough that I highly recommend those last two books as a read: Tales from the Time Loop and Infintie Love Is the Only Truth: Everything Else Is Illusion. I always admire a fresh perspective and original thinking. Icke provides this. IMO, the world could use a lot more of it! - Bronte
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Lurk
Lurk: The thing is, Bronte, you give no quarter when blasting the inconsistencies and flaws you see in guru school of thought. Why do you tolerate it in Icke's theories? Bronte: Hi, Lurk! Have you read Icke, either of this two most recent books? If you read them, you might understand why I don't blast him. I don't find flaws or inconsistencies in the guy. I sometimes find him petty and sometimes he is too hasty shooting off his mouth and substantiating snip Lurk: No, I haven't read him in a while-probably five years or more. That's great if he's offering more substaniation. I always read him wanting to buy into his theories, but couldn't quite bridge the gap. Next time I'm at the bookstore, I'll take a look. Thanks for the recommendation, and the come back.
[FairfieldLife] To Archer/ On Believing What the Trusted Tell Us
Rick wrote: I also know people much closer to Amma than these critics ever were. I've driven and chatted with the woman who is Amma's private attendant who sleeps in her room, etc., as well as her public attendant. These two are with her 24/7. I was very impressed with both of them. They are down-to-earth, unassuming, natural, good- humored, and not at all weird or secretive about Amma, the way their counterparts in the TM movement would probably be. They may be unaware of the things you bring up, but I doubt it because they are like her shadows, and hear everything. In fact, not only those two, but the swamis who have been with her for decades would impress just about anyone with their simplicity, humility, and genuineness. Maharishi used to say that you can judge the quality of a guru by the quality of the people around him, and if that is true, these folks are an impressive testimonial. Bronte writes: Yes, Maharishi said that, and look at the quality of guru he turned out to be. It's just more dogma to repeat that statement, Rick. You have to look past what Maharishi says or Amma says or Amma's attendant says. Remember all those years you said you knew that MMY had something funny going on his room at night with the girls, all the skin boys who left the organization, telling you and the others when they left what MMY was up to? When I asked you why you stayed on in the movement in spite of that, you said it's because you thought the skin boys were just unstressing heavily, that they were imagining things. It was a case of you not being willing to see what was right in front of you, because you had so much of yourself invested in it. Very human, very understandable. But a big mistake. Now there are lots of questions surfacing around Amma. The ex-amma website, which has only been up a short while, has hundreds of posts with remarkable first-person accounts. Are you willing to read them? Of course that won't be easy. It's much more comfortable to say I know a few people who are in like flint with her, and if anything was amiss they would know it and tell me. That's an excuse for avoiding looking openly at evidence. If what you believe is true, you will come away more convinced of it after reading what the critics have to say. Or maybe you'll come away more convinced but still be wrong in your opinion. No matter. At least you'll have looked. You'll have opened up to new information that at a later date may prove relevant, in the context of other information that later comes to you. You told me the skin boys knew what was going on all those years but couldn't admit it to themselves. They made up excuses for MMY in their minds. They were good kids, trying to find a justifiable place for what they were seeing within their worldview. How do you know it's not exactly the same thing with these higher-up Amma people you place such unquestioning trust in? Just because they're good people, or seem to be -- do you rest your judgment on that? That is a weak basis on which to form a sound opinion, especially on a matter of such import. You play a major role, Rick, in advertising Amma to the world and bringing in new recruits. I think you have an obligation to all the people you influence, not to mention to yourself, to read and consider the claims these people are making. To read them, and to keep your eyes and ears open. To ask questions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Archer/ On Believing What the Trusted Tell Us
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Maharishi said that, and look at the quality of guru he turned out to be. ??? The very highest quality-- speaking always from the supremely highest perspective, untiringly so. Those who are interested can debate the rumors that swirl around him and the quality of the TMO ad infinitum. I was fortunate to avoid all of that noise. Nonetheless, his teaching continues to be a living, accessible guide before and after enlightenment. I've said before that I have spent decades unraveling the reality of just one of his expressions.
