[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: [...] But why would he stop doing the experiments, if there is anything to it at all it's the most amazing breakthrough in scientific undertsnding ever! I'm serious. The only abstract I could find in the Journal of Neuroscience claims to have found evidence of a field effect, if true it's massive. Because the ceiling effect made the resutls unpredictable/not- replicable? They wouldn't be non-replicable and that's the only thing that would lift the research out of obscurity. If nothing else, James Randi would give them a million bucks. OK, let me puut it another way: the results haven't been replicated lately, or so I surmise. The reason for that is...? And no, you have no idea WHAT they haven't been replicated: the most you can do is speculate. No, I can speculate and I can look around for evidence. So far, no evidence. It MAY be due to quantum interaction, that in itself is big news. But affecting people at a distance? Very big news indeed. If it IS QM effects at body temperature at macro-distances within the brain, what possible reason would have to assume that it wouldn't show action at larger distances? What theoretical difference is there between 5 inches and 5,000 miles in this context? They don't survive the interference with other quantum states is the problem. Any coherent waveform is localized and remains so because it's like running into a wall of noise once out in the world and away from whatever it is pulled them together in the first place. Which random quantum states are you talking about that are exhibiting wave coherence in te general environment? You are trying to say that one tiny wave on its own, can stop a host of coherent waves acting in tandem and exponentially magnifying their power wit eac new addition of a fluctuation that joins their flow. One, or two, or even a million random, scattered wave functions cannot stand againt a coherent super-conductor-like formation. This is your fallacy. You are reading about microtubules in the brain that interact weakly with the quantum field, but people like Penrose don't understand yet that there can exist an array of neuronal activity that functions as one 'army', coherent and powerful. Travis already proved this twice in the International Journal of Neuroscience. Talking of fallacies Travis hasn't proved anything. I was talking about a few coherent quantum waves not surviving very far when radiating into the general mish-mash. It applies to any waves whether they are in water, air or whatever. The coherent becomes incoherenet when interfered with. Hugo. Where did you read about coherent waves getting dissapated? Waves given a signifiacant, but not overwhelming power in Peru on the ocean get BIGGER and more powerful as the cross the Pacific, sometimes building up over thousands of miles to giant tsunamis. Tsunamis are caused by earthquakes or under sea volcanos and they may appear to you to have an increasingly coghorent effect as they move across oceans but they don't. ALL wave fronts dissapate as they spread by the inverse square of the distance travelled. They only appear to be more powerful than the surrounding sea because of the energy they had at the start. Tides are driven by the earth turning and moon's orbit, both pretty powerful forces but if they stopped the sea would too. You need a generator to keep it moving
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
That's a classic! Unless a lot has changed since http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/806382.html Robert Wynne is almost totally disconnected from reality. It would be nice to have a list of Rajas alongside their disconnection rating, some of them might secretly be able to think straight but keep quiet about it, while others like RW seem to have lost the plot completely. Someone like John Konghaus (a.k.a King Konghaus) would be in pole position after his outburst against Zoran. But with this Robert Wynne is clearly moving up the field. Maybe it's part of an internal competition going on at the higher levels to prove who's the most loyal by who can spout the most BS. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Central University making headway in construction by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News    16 October 2008 Speaking on Maharishi Global Family Chat, Raja Robert Wynne, Mayor of Maharishi Vedic City and Raja of Invincible New Zealand, Armenia, Kenya, Pakistan, Iraq, Vanuatu, Liberia, and Burundi for the Global Country of World Peace, reported recent developments at the site of Maharishi Central University in Smith Center, Kansas, USA, located in the Brahma-Sthan (auspicious geographical centre) of the continental United States. Raja Wynne reported that there are currently 10 Vastu buildings in the process of being constructed on the campus. The buildings will eventually be used for student dormitories, he said, when the university opens. The buildings were designed and laid out by Dr Eike Hartmann, Global Minister of Vedic Architecture for the Global Country of World Peace; and Dr Roger Audet, Surveyor General. 'Witnessing these beautifully laid-out buildings in the Brahma-Sthan of the country produces a wonderful feeling,' commented Raja Wynne. He added that on the northern side of campus there is a stream of water, and on the eastern side there is an ancient glacier river underground. This pure glacier water, he said, could easily support a group of 5,000 people, if not up to 10,000. 'In such a dry climate as that in Kansas, it is remarkable to have these water sources.' Also remarkable, Raja Wynne said, is that there is no evident source leading into the northern river. 'It's somewhat of a miracle,' he commented. 'But we would expect no less from the Brahma-Sthan* of the United States.' For more about the establishment of Maharishi Central University in the United States, please visit: 'Grand new plans unfolding rapidly for construction of ''premier, flagship university'' at US Brahmasthan'. * Dr Eike Hartmann has recently explained that the centre point of a country has a very special and precious quality of balance and unifying wholeness. In the Vedic language, the central place is called Brahma-Sthan, and from here, the wholeness of life could be administered according to the Constitution of the Universe, the Will of God, that silently administers the entire ever-expanding galactic universe in perfect order and harmony. © Copyright 2008 Global Good News®
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further, the vedic literature suggests that humans have been in existence for millions of years, which contradicts most of the antropological studies today. Mythology at odds with scientific descriptions? Say it's not so! Next you'll be telling me that a chariot doesn't drag the sun across the sky each day! Next thing you know women and low caste people will want equal treatment, and there goes the neighborhood. The truth is that humans came from a kernel of corn, the American Indians were right. I hope that settles it. Although it may appear simple, the vedic creation story is full of symbolism which needs to be interpreted in terms of modern scientific findings. By doing so, we can appreciate the wisdom of the ancient writers. All it would take is for one creation myth scripture to give an accurate account of the dinosaurs. Having dominated every ecological niche for 250,000,000 years, is that really too much to ask from a creation myth? If the dinosaurs had brains big enough for communication, they could have created their own stories to pass down through the ages. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: As far as I can tell, human consciousness has not differed greatly from those people who lived during the vedic ages, or the time of Moses in the desert. IMHO, the human consciousness has always been the same throughout the ages. I beg to differ, that consciousness has evolved along with everything else can't really be disputed. Originally I would have thought that we haven't changed much since we left Africa, then I read The Origin of Consciouness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes and the world changed, many things became clear that once were mysteries. At the present time, most learned individuals are relying on Darwin's theory of evolution to describe how humans have developed from the primordial organisms on earth. Pope John Paul II believed in this theory as well. As such, he considered the story of Adam and Eve to be a myth. Nonetheless, as I continue to read the passages of the vedic literature, it is also conceivable that Darwin's theory may be wrong. According to the vedic theory, human beings were created as offsprings of the prajapatis, the universal progenetors or cosmic executives. In turn, these progenetors were created from the body of Brahma. Brahma similarly came from the navel of Vishnu. So, there is a direct link from the divine. Humans therefore did not descend from the lower species. From this vantage point, a whole new range of speculation can arise as to the possibilities of the human species. For instance, it is possible that there are humanoids in various sectors of the universe, which at the present time appears to be unreachable. If this is true, how did the progenitors travel from one sector of the universe to the next? According to present scientific knowledge, we are limited by the maximum speed of light. Further, the vedic literature suggests that humans have been in existence for millions of years, which contradicts most of the antropological studies today. There are other ideas which can be entertained depending on the forum members' interest in this subject.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Further, the vedic literature suggests that humans have been in existence for millions of years, which contradicts most of the antropological studies today. Mythology at odds with scientific descriptions? Say it's not so! Next you'll be telling me that a chariot doesn't drag the sun across the sky each day! Next thing you know women and low caste people will want equal treatment, and there goes the neighborhood. The truth is that humans came from a kernel of corn, the American Indians were right. I hope that settles it. Although it may appear simple, the vedic creation story is full of symbolism which needs to be interpreted in terms of modern scientific findings. By doing so, we can appreciate the wisdom of the ancient writers. All it would take is for one creation myth scripture to give an accurate account of the dinosaurs. Having dominated every ecological niche for 250,000,000 years, is that really too much to ask from a creation myth? If the dinosaurs had brains big enough for communication, they could have created their own stories to pass down through the ages. Even if they had they're all extinct so unless they whispered it to their descendents, the birds, it's gone forever. But then the birds would have their own myth wouldn't they? Unless something funny is going on and all things are inter- related and came from the same source. You can see the problem of creationism right here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: As far as I can tell, human consciousness has not differed greatly from those people who lived during the vedic ages, or the time of Moses in the desert. IMHO, the human consciousness has always been the same throughout the ages. I beg to differ, that consciousness has evolved along with everything else can't really be disputed. Originally I would have thought that we haven't changed much since we left Africa, then I read The Origin of Consciouness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes and the world changed, many things became clear that once were mysteries. At the present time, most learned individuals are relying on Darwin's theory of evolution to describe how humans have developed from the primordial organisms on earth. Pope John Paul II believed in this theory as well. As such, he considered the story of Adam and Eve to be a myth. Nonetheless, as I continue to read the passages of the vedic literature, it is also conceivable that Darwin's theory may be wrong. According to the vedic theory, human beings were created as offsprings of the prajapatis, the universal progenetors or cosmic executives. In turn, these progenetors were created from the body of Brahma. Brahma similarly came from the navel of Vishnu. So, there is a direct link from the divine. Humans therefore did not descend from the lower species. From this vantage point, a whole new range of speculation can arise as to the possibilities of the human species. For instance, it is possible that there are humanoids in various sectors of the universe, which at the present time appears to be unreachable. If this is true, how did the progenitors travel from one sector of the universe to the next? According to present scientific knowledge, we are limited by the maximum speed of light. Further, the vedic literature suggests that humans have been in existence for millions of years, which contradicts most of the antropological studies today. There are other ideas which can be entertained depending on the forum members' interest in this subject.
[FairfieldLife] Pale men are rare at Obama's barber shop?
An extremely white reporter of Finnish Ilta-sanomat (~Evening news) at Obama's barber shop, at the end of this video: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/videot/uutiset/1584016
[FairfieldLife] Percentage of Afro-Americans amongst TMers?
It seems to me the percentage of African Americans amongst TMers has increased as of late. If Obama wins the election, that might be part of the explanation. :0 ;D
[FairfieldLife] Pioneer of Whirled Peas?
Anyone know this Pioneer of Whirled Peas? http://tinyurl.com/5lhm8c
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
On Oct 16, 2008, at 4:28 AM, sparaig wrote: But I cn draw parallels to the EEG and other physiological correlates of the TM Transcendental Consciousness state to the descriptions of Turiya that require far less hand-waving, and in fact, while the EEG is strking, it doesn't resemble any pathology that I am aware of. Hand waving? Who's hand-waving? They've just published their results. It's not their fault the scientific world found it amazing that there was finally evidence of a fourth state of consciousness! http://web.me.com/lawsonenglish/Site/Meditation_EEG.html Cherry-picked examples, in pictorial form have little meaning. It's clearly meant to mislead the gullible. If you're familiar with fourier processing of medical data, you'd know that there are MANY ways to display and output data. But you'll notice here, we don't have enough information to know what's really being shown. Instead the hope appears to be to deceive people with an image and let them connect the dots, based on suggestive language of the TM org experts. Things that make you go h... I agree. And one cntral point: the thalamic activity of the EEG of the BUddhist meditators goes up during their meditation activity, while it goes down during TM practice. Well since samadhi hasn't been yet observed in any TM research out there, it's really rather meaningless now, isn't it? There are all sorts of sleep stages that have long been seen in the EEG of TMers, so this isn't a huge surprise! You're not waving your hand are you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: All it would take is for one creation myth scripture to give an accurate account of the dinosaurs. Having dominated every ecological niche for 250,000,000 years, is that really too much to ask from a creation myth? There are visible fossils all over the Himalaya since there are huge amounts of sedimentary rocks. What is traditionally believed in superstitious Vedic culture is that these represent souls who have incarnated into inferior forms of life and are trapped for huge swaths of time into the very rocks themselves. So those aren't dinosaurs Curtis, they're poor souls trapped in the rocks. Get with it already! Aren't the Vedas SO scientific! I just know one day I'll wake and I'll see the Vedas on the covers of both Nature and Scientific American with the caption How Could We Have Missed It? Ancient Vedas are Actually an Advanced Form of Science Based on the Unified Field!
[FairfieldLife] McCain and Obama bring humor to dinner
Barack Obama and John McCain appeared together tonight at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner. The entertaining pool report from the New York Times' Jeff Zeleny is below. Senator Barack Obama was preceded - actually, introduced - at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner by Senator John McCain who took the first turn at the lectern. He delivered many lines that left Mr. Obama laughing out loud. I can't shake that feeling that some people here are pulling for me, Mr. McCain said, turning to the far side of the stage. I'm delighted to see you here tonight, Hillary. Mr. McCain assured those in the ballroom that his rival was not fazed by being called, That one, during the second presidential debate. He doesn't mind at all, in fact, he even has a pet name for me: George Bush, Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain offered several words of praise, which Mr. Obama acknowledged with applause and a nod of the head. My opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. I have seen this man at his best. I admire his great skill, energy and determination, Mr. McCain said. It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he's made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many quarters. Today, it's world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. And good riddance. I can't wish my opponent luck, but I do wish him well. After a handshake, Mr. Obama took the lectern for his turn. I was originally told the venue would be Yankee Stadium. Can somebody tell me what happened to the Greek columns that I requested? Mr. Obama said. Later, he added: I do love the Waldorf Astoria. I hear from the doorstep you can see all the way to the Russian Tea Room. (Yes, Mr. McCain laughed. A lot.) Mr. Obama, noting his age, said he did not have the pleasure of knowing Al Smith, but added: From everything Senator McCain has told me, he was a great man. Then, he gave a shout out to Mayor Bloomberg. The mayor recently announced some news that he would be rewriting the rules and have a third term, which prompted Bill Clinton to say: You can do that? Mr. Obama said. As Mrs. Clinton laughed on stage, Mr. Obama added: I'm glad to see you made it Hillary. I hear Chuck Schumer tried to tell you that we really did move this event to Yankee Stadium. Mr. Obama continued with Mrs. Clinton, saying: She's the primary reason I have all this gray in my hair now. Mr. Obama called it a tribute to American democracy that the two rivals could come together two weeks before the election to sit down at the same dinner table without preconditions. He drew boos from the crowd when he tried making a joke about AIG, noting that the fine wine and gourmet food resembled a retreat of the troubled insurance company. Finally, Mr. Obama did a riff on the question that Mr. McCain has been asking voters: Who is the real Barack Obama? I actually was not born in a manger, Mr. Obama said. Barack is actually Swahili for That One, he added. I got my middle name from somebody who obviously didn't think I would ever run for president, he continued. He predicted that several October surprises were likely to occur, including: My middle name is actually Steve, he said, speaking over loud applause. Barack Steve Obama. The McCains - the senator and his wife - clapped only tepidly when Mr. Obama said, Fox News accused me of having two African American children in wedlock. The crowd, it seemed, wasn't sure how to respond. Mr. Obama praised the service that Mr. McCain has made to the nation, saying: I'm proud to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with you. He closed on a serious note. No matter what differences or divisions or arguments we are having right now, we ultimately belong to something bigger and more lasting than political parties, Mr. Obama said. We belong to a community, we share a country, we are all children of God. In this country there are millions of fellow citizens, our brothers and sisters, who need us very much - especially now. The motorcade waited about 30 minutes before departing at 10:20 p.m. for the final event of the evening: the fund-raiser with Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel. ~~ Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-alfred-mith-obama-mccain,0,7248516.story http://tinyurl.com/682eda
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCain and Obama bring humor to dinner
It was nice to see these two joshing one another and themselves. Some pretty good comedy writers. --- On Fri, 10/17/08, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCain and Obama bring humor to dinner To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 8:06 AM Hilarious video of McCain skewering Obama at Al Smith Dinner Part 1 http://tinyurl.com/5dlrzy Part 2 http://tinyurl.com/6x46v6 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barack Obama and John McCain appeared together tonight at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner. The entertaining pool report from the New York Times' Jeff Zeleny is below. Senator Barack Obama was preceded - actually, introduced - at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner by Senator John McCain who took the first turn at the lectern. He delivered many lines that left Mr. Obama laughing out loud. I can't shake that feeling that some people here are pulling for me, Mr. McCain said, turning to the far side of the stage. I'm delighted to see you here tonight, Hillary. Mr. McCain assured those in the ballroom that his rival was not fazed by being called, That one, during the second presidential debate. He doesn't mind at all, in fact, he even has a pet name for me: George Bush, Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain offered several words of praise, which Mr. Obama acknowledged with applause and a nod of the head. My opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. I have seen this man at his best. I admire his great skill, energy and determination, Mr. McCain said. It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he's made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many quarters. Today, it's world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. And good riddance. I can't wish my opponent luck, but I do wish him well. After a handshake, Mr. Obama took the lectern for his turn. I was originally told the venue would be Yankee Stadium. Can somebody tell me what happened to the Greek columns that I requested? Mr. Obama said. Later, he added: I do love the Waldorf Astoria. I hear from the doorstep you can see all the way to the Russian Tea Room. (Yes, Mr. McCain laughed. A lot.) Mr. Obama, noting his age, said he did not have the pleasure of knowing Al Smith, but added: From everything Senator McCain has told me, he was a great man. Then, he gave a shout out to Mayor Bloomberg. The mayor recently announced some news that he would be rewriting the rules and have a third term, which prompted Bill Clinton to say: You can do that? Mr. Obama said. As Mrs. Clinton laughed on stage, Mr. Obama added: I'm glad to see you made it Hillary. I hear Chuck Schumer tried to tell you that we really did move this event to Yankee Stadium. Mr. Obama continued with Mrs. Clinton, saying: She's the primary reason I have all this gray in my hair now. Mr. Obama called it a tribute to American democracy that the two rivals could come together two weeks before the election to sit down at the same dinner table without preconditions. He drew boos from the crowd when he tried making a joke about AIG, noting that the fine wine and gourmet food resembled a retreat of the troubled insurance company. Finally, Mr. Obama did a riff on the question that Mr. McCain has been asking voters: Who is the real Barack Obama? I actually was not born in a manger, Mr. Obama said. Barack is actually Swahili for That One, he added. I got my middle name from somebody who obviously didn't think I would ever run for president, he continued. He predicted that several October surprises were likely to occur, including: My middle name is actually Steve, he said, speaking over loud applause. Barack Steve Obama. The McCains - the senator and his wife - clapped only tepidly when Mr. Obama said, Fox News accused me of having two African American children in wedlock. The crowd, it seemed, wasn't sure how to respond. Mr. Obama praised the service that Mr. McCain has made to the nation, saying: I'm proud to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with you. He closed on a serious note. No matter what differences or divisions or arguments we are having right now, we ultimately belong to something bigger and more lasting than political parties, Mr. Obama said. We belong to a community, we share a country, we are all children of God. In this country there are millions of fellow
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further, the vedic literature suggests that humans have been in existence for millions of years, which contradicts most of the antropological studies today. Mythology at odds with scientific descriptions? Say it's not so! Next you'll be telling me that a chariot doesn't drag the sun across the sky each day! Next thing you know women and low caste people will want equal treatment, and there goes the neighborhood. The truth is that humans came from a kernel of corn, the American Indians were right. I hope that settles it. Although it may appear simple... John, it does not appear simple. It appears *simplistic*, and on *exactly the same level* as the Native American idea that humans came out of a kernel of corn that Curtis brings up. The reason you can't see this is that (IMO) you have been programmed by Maharishi to believe in the same Hindu super- stitions that he believed in, and to never question them. ...the vedic creation story is full of symbolism which needs to be interpreted in terms of modern scientific findings. NEEDS to be? The only reason a person could possibly say that is that they have a vested interest in trying to prove that story correct. YOU have sucn a need, John. And that's your right. All I'm trying to do, from time to time, is point out to you what you're doing. As I see it, based on your posts here, your scientific thinking process goes something like this: The 'vedic literature' is eternal Truth. It was the *first* Truth ever cognized on the planet and it was cognized in perfection, meaning that every word of it is as true today as it was when it was cognized back the the oh-so-perfect 'Vedic era.' Because this IS true -- and I know that it's true because Maharishi told me it was -- then I should be able to find some way to 'interpret' what seem like superstitious fairy- tales so that they seem pseudo-scientific. Or, the short version: Whatever Maharishi said is not only true but Truth; even if it sounds ridiculous, everything in reality needs to be 'reinterpreted' so that this first statement remains true. By doing so, we can appreciate the wisdom of the ancient writers. Even if they had none? Don't you SEE that you are *starting out* with an assump- tion that the 'vedic literature' is the 'gold standard' for truth and that everything else has to be interpreted to somehow fit into its fairytale storylines? I suspect that your thinking process seems rational to you, but I would suggest that that's because you've spent much of your life in the echo chamber of the TM movement. If you tried to spout any of this nonsense on a real forum full of real scientists, you'd be laughed off the forum in a matter of minutes. They would look at you trying desper- ately to find some principle from physics that you could interpret to fit the creation myth that you *already* believe is true and see you as no different than someone who was trying to do the same thing to prove that humans grew out of a kernel of corn. I'm going into this because I still can't believe that you're serious when you say the things you say here. Part of me hopes that you're joking. The other day you came up with an elaborate Jyotish interpretation of one of my dreams, seemingly without noticing that your entire theory was based on a guess of what sign I was born under, and that that guess was completely wrong. What's UP with that, eh? I've asked you direct questions about what you believe before, and you have dodged most of them. Here are a few more to dodge or ignore if you feel like doing so, or to answer if you feel like doing that: * Do you believe that there was an historical person named Krishna, who was blue, and who literally did all the things written about him in the Bhaghavad-Gita? * Do you believe that there is a being named Vishnu, and that he has a navel, out of which the 'progenetors' of the human race emerged? If you believe this, where did Vishnu come from? If he wasn't born, howcum he has a navel? * Do you honestly believe that human beings did not evolve from more primitive species? * Do you believe that the caste system is ethical? * What makes you believe that the 'vedic literature' you place so much faith in as containing wisdom really contains any? Could it possibly be because you have unshakable faith in a special magic word -- Maharishisez? * Maharishi (in the early days of the movement) was famous for refusing to enter any room that contained upside-down chairs. I saw this happen twice. He saw the chairs stacked upside-down on the tables, blanched, and turned around and immediately exited the room and would not re-enter until the chairs had been set upright. When asked why, he said
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCain and Obama bring humor to dinner
Hilarious video of McCain skewering Obama at Al Smith Dinner Part 1 http://tinyurl.com/5dlrzy Part 2 http://tinyurl.com/6x46v6 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barack Obama and John McCain appeared together tonight at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner. The entertaining pool report from the New York Times' Jeff Zeleny is below. Senator Barack Obama was preceded - actually, introduced - at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner by Senator John McCain who took the first turn at the lectern. He delivered many lines that left Mr. Obama laughing out loud. I can't shake that feeling that some people here are pulling for me, Mr. McCain said, turning to the far side of the stage. I'm delighted to see you here tonight, Hillary. Mr. McCain assured those in the ballroom that his rival was not fazed by being called, That one, during the second presidential debate. He doesn't mind at all, in fact, he even has a pet name for me: George Bush, Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain offered several words of praise, which Mr. Obama acknowledged with applause and a nod of the head. My opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. I have seen this man at his best. I admire his great skill, energy and determination, Mr. McCain said. It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he's made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many quarters. Today, it's world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. And good riddance. I can't wish my opponent luck, but I do wish him well. After a handshake, Mr. Obama took the lectern for his turn. I was originally told the venue would be Yankee Stadium. Can somebody tell me what happened to the Greek columns that I requested? Mr. Obama said. Later, he added: I do love the Waldorf Astoria. I hear from the doorstep you can see all the way to the Russian Tea Room. (Yes, Mr. McCain laughed. A lot.) Mr. Obama, noting his age, said he did not have the pleasure of knowing Al Smith, but added: From everything Senator McCain has told me, he was a great man. Then, he gave a shout out to Mayor Bloomberg. The mayor recently announced some news that he would be rewriting the rules and have a third term, which prompted Bill Clinton to say: You can do that? Mr. Obama said. As Mrs. Clinton laughed on stage, Mr. Obama added: I'm glad to see you made it Hillary. I hear Chuck Schumer tried to tell you that we really did move this event to Yankee Stadium. Mr. Obama continued with Mrs. Clinton, saying: She's the primary reason I have all this gray in my hair now. Mr. Obama called it a tribute to American democracy that the two rivals could come together two weeks before the election to sit down at the same dinner table without preconditions. He drew boos from the crowd when he tried making a joke about AIG, noting that the fine wine and gourmet food resembled a retreat of the troubled insurance company. Finally, Mr. Obama did a riff on the question that Mr. McCain has been asking voters: Who is the real Barack Obama? I actually was not born in a manger, Mr. Obama said. Barack is actually Swahili for That One, he added. I got my middle name from somebody who obviously didn't think I would ever run for president, he continued. He predicted that several October surprises were likely to occur, including: My middle name is actually Steve, he said, speaking over loud applause. Barack Steve Obama. The McCains - the senator and his wife - clapped only tepidly when Mr. Obama said, Fox News accused me of having two African American children in wedlock. The crowd, it seemed, wasn't sure how to respond. Mr. Obama praised the service that Mr. McCain has made to the nation, saying: I'm proud to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with you. He closed on a serious note. No matter what differences or divisions or arguments we are having right now, we ultimately belong to something bigger and more lasting than political parties, Mr. Obama said. We belong to a community, we share a country, we are all children of God. In this country there are millions of fellow citizens, our brothers and sisters, who need us very much - especially now. The motorcade waited about 30 minutes before departing at 10:20 p.m. for the final event of the evening: the fund-raiser with Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel. ~~ Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-alfred-mith-obama-mccain,0,7248516.story http://tinyurl.com/682eda
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Lady Killers
As an old friend, a retired psychiatrist used to say: An orgasm a day, keeps the Shrink away! :-) On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Peter wrote: Jesus, somebody's on the rag or needs to get laid!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lady Killers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus, somebody's on the rag or needs to get laid! Does Peter beat his wife? No? Well, you could have fooled me. In a patriarchal society, the notion that certain groups are entitled to dominate other groups is normalized, he says. We hold women responsible for the problem and the solution. Men are socialized to control and dominate, and to stop violence against women men have to look at themselves. We must create safe spaces for women, listen to them and open our eyes. Silent No More by Alegre 10/15/08 http://tinyurl.com/5kfzz9 http://tinyurl.com/5kfzz9 October is domestic violence awareness month. I'm probably not the only feminist who is only now hearing about this. It's not like the MSM or the press are shouting about this from the rafters or anything. After all, they've got bigger fish to fry - like whether Jesse Jackson really meant what he said about BHO's views re the Middle East conflict, and if BHO successfully stuffed that cat back into the bag. Think about it... one in four women here in the US will fall victim to male violence http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/global_campaign/\ en/chap4.pdf at some point in her life. One in four - that means there's a damn good chance you or someone you know will be or has been victimized. How many girls and women do you know? Worldwide the figure is one in three http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr62/en/index.html . And with the worsening economy and an increase in unemployment, the number of women and kids falling victim to domestic violence will only increase. In fact, we're already seeing a disturbing rise in those numbers in states all around the country. Well Heidi Schnakenberg posted an article today on the Women's e-News site, and it's an important read you guys. She asks why more men aren't outraged at the violence inflicted on women by their fellow men, and calls on them to step up to the plate to help put a stop to this violence once and for all. Check it out... Dear Guys: Tough Times Call for More Safety Help http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=3778 The focus is usually on women not doing enough to protect themselves or their children, while far less attention is paid to the perpetrators. Why aren't more men outraged at their fellow males' actions and motivated to end it, once and for all? Why are women left to pick up the pieces? Isn't this a man's problem? ... Across the country, reports of violence against women are on the rise. The souring economy has been blamed for dramatic spikes in domestic violence in recent headlines in California, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Rhode Island and West Virginia. Pennsylvania has had a devastating increase in domestic violence fatalities. Thankfully, men are starting to wake up to the need for their increased involvement in fighting to stop this widespread violence. Joe Biden's out on the campaign trail and talking up his authorship of the Violence Against Women Act, and groups of men are actually starting to see this violence as something they need to actively work to combat. I'd like to hand a megaphone to Patrick Partida, outgoing president of the University of Texas organization Men Against Violence, which treats violence against women as a male problem. The problem is not women not protecting themselves but men attacking women, says Partida. The blame must be put in the correct place. If all men dedicated themselves to stopping men's violence against women, then complete eradication can become a reality. Partida says men are taught from a young age to be anti-female in their thoughts and actions. They learn this behavior from the media, peers, parents and even teachers. Many men find methods of fulfilling their perceived need for power through external means, which often include being violent and instilling fear in women. He adds that men suffer a great amount of fear, especially of each other and of not living up to the image of masculinity in our culture. The greatest thing for men to do now is to question their own beliefs, those of their male friends and family. Dick Bathrick, co-founder of Men Stopping Violence, agrees. In a patriarchal society, the notion that certain groups are entitled to dominate other groups is normalized, he says. We hold women responsible for the problem and the solution. Men are socialized to control and dominate, and to stop violence against women men have to look at themselves. We must create safe spaces for women, listen to them and open our eyes. I love the way she closes this article, by noting that the idea of men working to stop male violence against women is gaining traction. Take the White Ribbon Campaign for example... this group started as a show of support for the 14 women engineering students who were gunned down by an anti-feminist psycho up in Montreal, and it's grown over the
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Explain yourself! What's wrong with miraculous healings? X-men episode 3 had a miracle healer. They just move yer negative karma to some future incarnation??
Re: [FairfieldLife] John McCain
On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:33 AM, raunchydog wrote: John McCain Brings Down The House - Al Smith Dinner Part 1 Video http://tinyurl.com/5dlrzy Yeah, that John McCain--he's just the life of the grand old party. Time for you and shemp to share a room with rubber walls somewhere. You can invite Judy to the party as well. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
On Oct 17, 2008, at 1:08 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: That's a classic! Unless a lot has changed since http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/806382.html Robert Wynne is almost totally disconnected from reality. The only thing that's changed, as far as I can see, is that Raja Wynn has become even more disconnected. It would be nice to have a list of Rajas alongside their disconnection rating, some of them might secretly be able to think straight but keep quiet about it, while others like RW seem to have lost the plot completely. Someone like John Konghaus (a.k.a King Konghaus) would be in pole position after his outburst against Zoran. But with this Robert Wynne is clearly moving up the field. Maybe it's part of an internal competition going on at the higher levels to prove who's the most loyal by who can spout the most BS. You might be on to something there. My favorite part of the article: Hagelin, who is director of the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, said the Smith Center project is on hold as the TM organization deals with the February death of its founder, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Yes, the death of someone who's 92 and been bedridden for some time would be a quite a shock... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lady Killers
On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, feste37 wrote: This lady, Anglachel, has far too much time on her hands. She's wallowing in anger and resentment. It's painful to read (I couldn't get through even half of it). Really, I think anybody who takes crap like this seriously needs to do some serious thinking about a vacation. And there's a nice little place I've heard of that would suit raunchy just fine, I'm sure, just outside of Topeka... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lady Killers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, feste37 wrote: This lady, Anglachel, has far too much time on her hands. She's wallowing in anger and resentment. It's painful to read (I couldn't get through even half of it). Really, I think anybody who takes crap like this seriously needs to do some serious thinking about a vacation. And there's a nice little place I've heard of that would suit raunchy just fine, I'm sure, just outside of Topeka... Sal Amen.
[FairfieldLife] Open Letter to Senator McCain
Dear Senator McCain, With all due respect for the good that you stood for in the past, let's face it, when you admitted on the David Letterman show that you screwed up, you finally told the truth. The only truth it seems during your whole presidential campaign. The thing is, you are running for President and cannot afford to screw up. What if you and Sarah start a war with Russia, what will you say, I screwed up. And, you screwed up not only by not keeping your commitment to Letterman, but many other ways: 1 ) Perhaps your biggest screw up was your choice of Sarah Palin as VP which energized the lower animalistic fearful selfish behaviors of some American; too many Americans who are frustrated and confused in these difficult times. With your and Sarah's rhetoric, your ads( 100% of which are negative ), your Joe-the-Plumber plant as well as many other plants, I'm sure, you are taking America in the direction of fear, self-deceit, delusion, further loss of world integrity, more and more war. No wonder so many prominent Republicans and Conservatives are abandoning you and throwing their support for Obama and Biden. By choosing Sarah Palin for VP you put America at great perilous risk. 2) You screwed up by suspending your campaign. Everyone with any common sense knows that was only a political gimmick and not country first. 3) You screwed up by choosing to attack and attack Obama's character instead of coming up with real solutions for the pressing problems of the day and calling forth our better natures. Calling forth understanding, sharing, caring and making whatever sacrifices are necessary. You seem to be a very very conflicted man. When you told that lady that Barack was a decent family man, you spoke the truth. Now how does that square with all the other negative and distorted things you say about Barack the other 99.9% of the time. You must think we Americans are really stupid and can be manipulated by your ridiculous schemes. 4) You keep screwing up by not understanding that oil and nuclear are not real viable solutions for the problems we face right now. For short term, these do not work because of the development time and huge costs involved. Both have been around for decades and keep only adding to our problems. Einstein said, Insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. But, again, you are only too eager to play the fears and ignorance of the people for political gain. Americans need some different, new and wise ideas ~ things that are also cost effective. Both nuclear and oil are not cost effective, will do nothing immediately and distract from putting all our efforts into new and smart technologies. 5) You screwed up really big time by favoring war and not standing up to Bush and Cheney for torturing people. This was your real chance to stand up for something decent and it's not too late. You can still be the great hero that you always wanted to be by exposing all the wrongs committed by Cheney and Bush against the American people. But, again for political goals, you sacrificed all you moral principles and stood by Bush. 6) In the past, you have made many mistakes, including associating with dangerous and crooked people, but forgive yourself all too readily without due reflection and any real spiritual growth. Your first big mistake was leaving your first wife because she was crippled and not wealthy and then marrying a very very wealthy woman. If you cannot even commit yourself wholy to family first, how can you expect anyone to believe you when you say country first? Is this not a telltale sign of how you look at all Americans? In contrast, Joe Biden was willing to sacrifice his political career for the good of his family needs. 7) You keep screwing up by distorting what Barack says. You keep repeating over and over again the empty slogans of the standard GOP platform about taxes, spending, government and education. One of the main functions of government is to tax and spend, govern wisely and provide free education. You are not what America needs right now. 8) You are also screwing up big time by not taking into consideration your overall health, especially your mental health which is all too obvious by your unpleasant facial expressions. These are not very inspiring to look at. By not being aware of your own health, how can you understand anything about proper health care for others and the need for prevention? And so, my advice to you, Senator MCain, is, give it up, take some time to rest, and then pursue vigorously to expose all the wrongs committed against Americans and world humanity by Bush and Cheney. The inconvenient truths must be faced in order to become free of the same mistakes in the future. Only in this way can you make a real contribution to America and to all of humanity and thereby restore some of your integrity as a Maverick for Truth and Justice. God Bless You, Anatol
[FairfieldLife] Cool explanantion of 'brahmacarya' (-charya)
www.swamij.com Remembering comes first: Celibacy is sometimes considered to be the practice of brahmacharya. However, celibacy is not the cause, but the effect. The practice, or cause, is of constant remembering of the highest reality, absolute truth, the divine, or the presence of God. This remembrance is the cause, and the celibacy is the effect. Since the effect might be so visible when watching a spiritual person, we can accidentally reverse cause and effect, and try to practice mere restraint of sensual urges. Once again, the practice of brahmacharya is walking in the awareness of the highest reality, absolute reality, remembering the divine, or practicing the presence of God. -- Well, that's actually of course based on a literal translation of 'brahma-carya'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lady Killers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, feste37 wrote: This lady, Anglachel, has far too much time on her hands. She's wallowing in anger and resentment. It's painful to read (I couldn't get through even half of it). Really, I think anybody who takes crap like this seriously needs to do some serious thinking about a vacation. And there's a nice little place I've heard of that would suit raunchy just fine, I'm sure, just outside of Topeka... Sal Really Sal, you need to ask yourself why as a woman you are more willing to identify with male deniers of misogyny than with these women: WHO's Global Campaign for the Prevention of Violence study: * He got this gun, I don't know from who And he would tell the girls: I'm going to kill your mother The day will break and your mother will be dead right here I would sleep in a locked bedroom and with a dog inside the room with me. My dog. So he would not kill me. Woman interviewed in Brazil. * I suffered for a long time and swallowed all my pain. That's why I am constantly visiting doctors and using medicines. No one should do this. Woman interviewed in Serbia and Montenegro. * He hit me in the belly and made me miscarry two babies - identical or fraternal twins, I don't know. I went to the Loayza hospital with heavy bleeding and they cleaned me up. Woman interviewed in urban Peru. How physical and sexual violence was measured: For physical violence, women were asked whether a current or former partner had ever: slapped her, or thrown something at her that could hurt her ; pushed or shoved her ; hit her with a fist or something else that could hurt ; kicked, dragged or beaten her up ; choked or burnt her on purpose ; threatened her with , or actually used a gun, knife or other weapon against her. Sexual violence was defined by the following three behaviours: Being physically forced to have a sexual intercourse against her will; having sexual intercourse because she was afraid of what her partner might do; being forced to do something sexual she found degrading or humiliating. WHO's Global Campaign for the Prevention of Violence supports governments to develop comprehensive violence prevention programmes to address domestic violence alongside other types of violence. Contact the Department of Gender, Women and Health (GWH) by sending an e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/bzlwj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
Nice one Vaj. There are visible fossils all over the Himalaya since there are huge amounts of sedimentary rocks. What is traditionally believed in superstitious Vedic culture is that these represent souls who have incarnated into inferior forms of life and are trapped for huge swaths of time into the very rocks themselves. So those aren't dinosaurs Curtis, they're poor souls trapped in the rocks. Get with it already! I'm going with Satan planting them on earth to lead men astray from the truth of the Bible. Sarah Palin told me she knows this is true and that is good enough proof for me. Aren't the Vedas SO scientific! I just know one day I'll wake and I'll see the Vedas on the covers of both Nature and Scientific American with the caption How Could We Have Missed It? Ancient Vedas are Actually an Advanced Form of Science Based on the Unified Field! What a movement wet dream! And the dream is still alive. Someday everyone will get the perspective that this small group of unexceptional people already know is true. The one small group who somehow understands the ultimate reality that everyone else either misses or sees through a glass darkly through their own limited traditions of knowledge. The self-promoting arrogance of the underlying assumption is mind boggling at first. Then I run across an old passport picture as I went off to TTC with the same gleam of surety and self-confidence that: I out of all the far more brilliant people in the world, had gained the highest knowledge of life. (and in my teens no less!) Sure you did sonny boy. With your perfect dimple in your silk tie, you are gunna enlighten the whole world with your perfectly right perspective of how things are fer real real. And someday the doubters and haters will hang on your every word, every stupid pun and joke that you make and then laugh at yourself because you are not only the rightest person in the world, you are the most charming and entertaining just like your perfect master or the guy at the bar who has just gone one step over the line but is still holding court with witty quips and alcohol fueled brilliance, before the last drink hits and takes you over the edge and off your stool landing on the floor with a dull thud. Reality, what a concept! (tip of the hat to Robin Williams) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: All it would take is for one creation myth scripture to give an accurate account of the dinosaurs. Having dominated every ecological niche for 250,000,000 years, is that really too much to ask from a creation myth? There are visible fossils all over the Himalaya since there are huge amounts of sedimentary rocks. What is traditionally believed in superstitious Vedic culture is that these represent souls who have incarnated into inferior forms of life and are trapped for huge swaths of time into the very rocks themselves. So those aren't dinosaurs Curtis, they're poor souls trapped in the rocks. Get with it already! Aren't the Vedas SO scientific! I just know one day I'll wake and I'll see the Vedas on the covers of both Nature and Scientific American with the caption How Could We Have Missed It? Ancient Vedas are Actually an Advanced Form of Science Based on the Unified Field!
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
far when radiating into the general mish-mash. It applies to any waves whether they are in water, air or whatever. The coherent becomes incoherenet when interfered with. Hugo. Where did you read about coherent waves getting dissapated? Waves given a signifiacant, but not overwhelming power in Peru on the ocean get BIGGER and more powerful as the cross the Pacific, sometimes building up over thousands of miles to giant tsunamis. Tsunamis are caused by earthquakes or under sea volcanos and they may appear to you to have an increasingly coghorent effect as they move across oceans but they don't. ALL wave fronts dissapate as they spread by the inverse square of the distance travelled. They only appear to be more powerful than the surrounding sea because of the energy they had at the start. You just proved my point. A massive rockfall into the ocean causes a large, but insignificant wave in Peru, that by the time it hits Hawaii or Japan, it fas ACTUALLY grown. These are the facts. A wave energy can survive and grow. PERIOD. Do some research on the last tidal wave to kill a lot of people in Hawaii 25 years ago and come back after you find out how the wave-energy grew. There is no book you have read that states that highly coherent wave functions in the electromagnetic field dissapate quickly. You are making it up. In the book I got this from is a critique of Penroses The Emperors New Mind by Dan Dennett, arguing that consciousness can't have a quantum element because the waves (like all waves) wouldn't be able to survive far enough into the brain (let alone outside it) to hold the system together. This ACTUALLY PROVES the point that a mass of coherent waves or coherent energy WOULD survive over long distances. Incoherent waves, in an incohherent ocean of energy, cannot survive, but a masse of coherent waves cannot be stopped by the gerneal mass of incoherent waves. The guy actually proves the point. If all waves are so weak, then a mass of coherent waves are more powerful than those acting idependently. This is a fact of nature. That is why you cannot shine a flashlight onto the moon, but you can shine a laser beam onto the moon (a laser beam IS coherent waves.) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Obama's Thought Police
A woman speaks her mind and gets a visit from the Secret Service and a bogus claim that she made a death threat against Obama. Here is radio host Roger Hedgecock interviewing Jessica Huges about a simple phone call that prompted a visit from the FBI. http://tinyurl.com/5r452a I posted this email discussing this topic: This was just forwarded to us. We have NOT had a chance to verify it; however we are seeking verification from the Secret Service as well as several news organizations. This is certainly an example of what is yet to come. Subject: FW: Lufkin News Posted by: BirdyMay (IP Logged) Date: October 06, 2008 08:29AM Okay, So I don't usually forward these kinds of stories because usually they wind up to be total bull, BUT this happened right here in Lufkin. It was over in the Idlewood subdivision, and these people are respected community members. So, here's their story as told from their first hand perspective.. On Wednesday the 1st of October I received a call on my cell while in the car with my husband. It was a woman who identified herself as calling from the Obama Campaign. The phone # she called from was 903-798-6020 which lists as Obama Volunteers of Texarkana (Texas). She asked if I was an Obama supporter to which I replied: No, I don't support him, your guy is a socialist who voted four times in the State Senate to let little babies die in hospital closets; I think you should find something better to do with your time. I hung up. Thursday, October 2, I answered the front door to find the Secret Service. Immediately I thought of the call and was furious that apparently you are not allowed to call Obama a Socialist without the Secret Service coming to inve stigate. Instead, they asked me about the following comment, relayed by the Obama Volunteer of Texarkana who called me, unsolicited on my cell phone: I will never support Obama and he will wind up dead on a hospital floor. My husband laughed and told them No, she called him a socialist but she never said a word about him dying. I gave them my actual quote. The woman asked insolently Oh? Well why would she make that up? I replied that I supposed she wasn't happy about what I said about her candidate and the Agent said That's right, you were rude! The last time I checked being rude wasn't a crime in America. Luckily the big file they had gathered on me didn't indicate mental instability or a past life of stalking/crime, however they did want to know how I felt about Obama. That was my limit. I told the Agent in no uncertain terms that my thoughts were not pertinent to their investigation, that this was America and the last time I checked I was allowed to think whatever I wanted without being questioned by the Secret Service. In fact, even if I had said what she claimed, that isn't a threat. I told them (again) and my husband verified that the statement reported by Obama's volunteer was a lie. I asked them if there was a tape of the call and they said no. I said, So on the word of a ticked off Obama supporter you are on my porch with no other evidence and you want to question me about my THOUGHTS!? They informed me that there was no evidence she was an Obama supporter someone calling from his campaign are you kidding? I was not allowed to know the name of my accuser at which p oint they informed me that it wasn't like I was in a court of law, YET, as if this was a good thing. I recognized this as a veiled threat. I told them I would happily go to court since I did nothing wrong and at least then my accuser would have to face me rather than sending the thought police to my house. They then said they were trying to do me a favor, that they came to me first before embarrassing you by going to all your neighbors and family, another threat? I told them to be my guest and talk to whomever they wanted but they weren't going to investigate my thoughts on my porch. They also informed me that it would be easier if the next time a supporter calls me I just say Yeah sure count me in, or just hang up apparently so she won't get her undies in a bundle and give them more useless trips. Yeah right. I said Look, someone calls me unsolicited on my cell phone to ask me to support their candidate and I can't tell them why I don't? I said I was sorry they made a wasted trip but if they had a problem with some made up lie they needed to go talk to her about it because it wasn't my fault they had to drive from Houston for nothing. At one point I went inside and got a notepad to record their badge numbers and they refused to show me their badges. They had done the quick flip when they arrived. I asked for a card and the female Agent refused to give me one stating You're not going to get a card. The male Agent gave me a card and told me I could contact Houston with any questions. The fact that the volunteer lied, the fact that the Secret Service came to my h ouse to question
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lady Killers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, feste37 wrote: This lady, Anglachel, has far too much time on her hands. She's wallowing in anger and resentment. It's painful to read (I couldn't get through even half of it). Really, I think anybody who takes crap like this seriously needs to do some serious thinking about a vacation. And there's a nice little place I've heard of that would suit raunchy just fine, I'm sure, just outside of Topeka... Sal Really Sal, you need to ask yourself why as a woman you are more willing to identify with male deniers of misogyny than with these women: WHO's Global Campaign for the Prevention of Violence study: Get a grip Raunchy, and ask yourself why your perspective is so perverse, and dark. Ironically, your constant laments about the plight of victimized women at the hands of evil men does much more harm to the reputation of women than it wrests justice. Women have struggled mightily over the past five decades for a fair shake, and your obsessive, festering victimhood laments amplify an infantile perspective void of courage and character. The feminist movement goal was the empowerment of women, not the establishment of a permanent victim class. * He got this gun, I don't know from who And he would tell the girls: I'm going to kill your mother The day will break and your mother will be dead right here I would sleep in a locked bedroom and with a dog inside the room with me. My dog. So he would not kill me. Woman interviewed in Brazil. * I suffered for a long time and swallowed all my pain. That's why I am constantly visiting doctors and using medicines. No one should do this. Woman interviewed in Serbia and Montenegro. * He hit me in the belly and made me miscarry two babies - identical or fraternal twins, I don't know. I went to the Loayza hospital with heavy bleeding and they cleaned me up. Woman interviewed in urban Peru. How physical and sexual violence was measured: For physical violence, women were asked whether a current or former partner had ever: slapped her, or thrown something at her that could hurt her ; pushed or shoved her ; hit her with a fist or something else that could hurt ; kicked, dragged or beaten her up ; choked or burnt her on purpose ; threatened her with , or actually used a gun, knife or other weapon against her. Sexual violence was defined by the following three behaviours: Being physically forced to have a sexual intercourse against her will; having sexual intercourse because she was afraid of what her partner might do; being forced to do something sexual she found degrading or humiliating. WHO's Global Campaign for the Prevention of Violence supports governments to develop comprehensive violence prevention programmes to address domestic violence alongside other types of violence. Contact the Department of Gender, Women and Health (GWH) by sending an e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/bzlwj
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lady Killers
We're counting on you guys. Talk about this issue and destroy the anti-macho stigma that's associated with standing up for women's rights and the safety of the women and girls in your life. I think it is your assumption that the men here are not already doing this is what makes me feel weird when I read your posts. I don't believe the guys on this forum are the guys you really need to aim this sermon at. Or at least we might want you to lower the barrel of your gun a bit with us. We are not your enemy. Refuse to remain silent when some @sshole calls a woman a c*nt, So you can call a man one body part, but calling a woman another but (more magical?) body part is an indication of violence against women? You lose me here. You seem to be dishing out as much abuse as you are getting. That IS being treated equally. But not all of us make this connection between language and violence against women. The C word has a specific meaning in our culture and it is remarkably similar to the word asshole. or makes a sick joke about violence or rape against women (ha-feckin'-ha). But jokes about violence about men are Okay-dokey? Like the ubiquitous nut shot universal joke when a woman in a sitcom kicks a man in the most sensitive and vulnerable part of his body because he SAID something offensive? (Ha-feckin'-ha) The guys you are battling with on this issue are not women haters. I can think of maybe one or two people who might fit this description but you have not noticed them. The guys you are dogging out all have loving relationships with the women in their lives and you ought to trust your sisters on the ground about these men. The ones you should watch IMO, hide behind religious piety and their purity from low desires. Men like Shankara who said in his Crest Jewel of Discrimination that a wise man views women as corpses, or the movement's own Guru Dev who would not allow a woman in his presence. WTF? Those are the guys you ought to be aiming you cannons at. Not the guys here who love, respect and yes, protect, women in their actual offline lives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Jesus, somebody's on the rag or needs to get laid! Does Peter beat his wife? No? Well, you could have fooled me. In a patriarchal society, the notion that certain groups are entitled to dominate other groups is normalized, he says. We hold women responsible for the problem and the solution. Men are socialized to control and dominate, and to stop violence against women men have to look at themselves. We must create safe spaces for women, listen to them and open our eyes. Silent No More by Alegre 10/15/08 http://tinyurl.com/5kfzz9 http://tinyurl.com/5kfzz9 October is domestic violence awareness month. I'm probably not the only feminist who is only now hearing about this. It's not like the MSM or the press are shouting about this from the rafters or anything. After all, they've got bigger fish to fry - like whether Jesse Jackson really meant what he said about BHO's views re the Middle East conflict, and if BHO successfully stuffed that cat back into the bag. Think about it... one in four women here in the US will fall victim to male violence http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/global_campaign/\ en/chap4.pdf at some point in her life. One in four - that means there's a damn good chance you or someone you know will be or has been victimized. How many girls and women do you know? Worldwide the figure is one in three http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr62/en/index.html . And with the worsening economy and an increase in unemployment, the number of women and kids falling victim to domestic violence will only increase. In fact, we're already seeing a disturbing rise in those numbers in states all around the country. Well Heidi Schnakenberg posted an article today on the Women's e-News site, and it's an important read you guys. She asks why more men aren't outraged at the violence inflicted on women by their fellow men, and calls on them to step up to the plate to help put a stop to this violence once and for all. Check it out... Dear Guys: Tough Times Call for More Safety Help http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=3778 The focus is usually on women not doing enough to protect themselves or their children, while far less attention is paid to the perpetrators. Why aren't more men outraged at their fellow males' actions and motivated to end it, once and for all? Why are women left to pick up the pieces? Isn't this a man's problem? ... Across the country, reports of violence against women are on the rise. The souring economy has been blamed for dramatic spikes in domestic violence in recent headlines in California, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Rhode Island and
[FairfieldLife] EEG - Buddhist Meditation compared toTM meditation.
[http://web.me.com/lawsonenglish/Site/Meditation_EEG_files/zpq0460464800\ 001.jpg][http://web.me.com/lawsonenglish/Site/Media/transparent.gif] [http://web.me.com/lawsonenglish/Site/Media/transparent.gif] The primary difference between controls and experimental group for the Buddhist meditators was found in gamma EEG synchrony and power. Gamma waves are normally interpreted as a sign of concentration. The primary difference between controls and experimental group for the TM meditators was found in alpha EEG synchrony and power. Alpha waves are normally interpreted as a sign of restful alertness. Enhanced EEG alpha time-domain phase synchrony during http://brainresearchinstitute.org/research/totalbrain/TMsynch_SignalPr\ oc05_Hebert.pdf Transcendental Meditation: Implications for cortical http://brainresearchinstitute.org/research/totalbrain/TMsynch_SignalPr\ oc05_Hebert.pdf integration theory http://brainresearchinstitute.org/research/totalbrain/TMsynch_SignalPr\ oc05_Hebert.pdf Signal Processing http://brainresearchinstitute.org/research/totalbrain/TMsynch_SignalPr\ oc05_Hebert.pdf Volume 85, Issue 11 , November 2005, Pages 2213-2232 http://brainresearchinstitute.org/research/totalbrain/TMsynch_SignalPr\ oc05_Hebert.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: far when radiating into the general mish-mash. It applies to any waves whether they are in water, air or whatever. The coherent becomes incoherenet when interfered with. Hugo. Where did you read about coherent waves getting dissapated? Waves given a signifiacant, but not overwhelming power in Peru on the ocean get BIGGER and more powerful as the cross the Pacific, sometimes building up over thousands of miles to giant tsunamis. Tsunamis are caused by earthquakes or under sea volcanos and they may appear to you to have an increasingly coghorent effect as they move across oceans but they don't. ALL wave fronts dissapate as they spread by the inverse square of the distance travelled. They only appear to be more powerful than the surrounding sea because of the energy they had at the start. You just proved my point. A massive rockfall into the ocean causes a large, but insignificant wave in Peru, that by the time it hits Hawaii or Japan, it fas ACTUALLY grown. These are the facts. A wave energy can survive and grow. PERIOD. Do some research on the last tidal wave to kill a lot of people in Hawaii 25 years ago and come back after you find out how the wave-energy grew. Can you do the research and post when you've found it. Reason being, I doubt you're right to such an extent I'd put money on it. There is no book you have read that states that highly coherent wave functions in the electromagnetic field dissapate quickly. You are making it up. In the book I got this from is a critique of Penroses The Emperors New Mind by Dan Dennett, arguing that consciousness can't have a quantum element because the waves (like all waves) wouldn't be able to survive far enough into the brain (let alone outside it) to hold the system together. This ACTUALLY PROVES the point that a mass of coherent waves or coherent energy WOULD survive over long distances. Incoherent waves, in an incohherent ocean of energy, cannot survive, but a masse of coherent waves cannot be stopped by the gerneal mass of incoherent waves. The guy actually proves the point. If all waves are so weak, then a mass of coherent waves are more powerful than those acting idependently. This is a fact of nature. That is why you cannot shine a flashlight onto the moon, but you can shine a laser beam onto the moon (a laser beam IS coherent waves.) Yeah, but it only stays focussed because of the POWER behind it is greater than any interference. Turn the power OFF and coherence breaks down. Elementary physics old chap. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
I think there's an understandable level of disconnection that comes from believing the ME effect in spite of evidence to the contrary. It is possible to come up with a plausible sounding argument that it must be working even though it quite clearly isn't, on the basis of phase transition so that people who don't know anything about the subject would get taken in. You can kind of forgive people because they're brow-beaten by their friends and someone in a position of authority who used to be a physicist so they swallow their own doubts. But going on TV saying that the Maharishi Central University is moving ahead at full speed when people can actually drive there to check it out and see there's nothing going on is something else entirely. Even a deep dyed Republican might feel uncomfortable about that level of lying. It's not like Hagelin is standing up saying that time series analysis shows that the weeds you see growing and the lack of workers beavering away is really a hive of activity if only you understood the science behind it. It really is total disconnection. Unless they have moved some workers onto the plot in the last few weeks and recommenced building. Anyone know what's going on there? Anyone have a list of rajas so we can grade their reality disconnect ratings? It might be fun to out the ones who secretly still have an attachment to economic and social realities. I know Schiffgens, Konghaus and Hagelin will be well up the top of a reality disconnect competition, but what about the others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 1:08 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: That's a classic! Unless a lot has changed since http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/806382.html Robert Wynne is almost totally disconnected from reality. The only thing that's changed, as far as I can see, is that Raja Wynn has become even more disconnected. It would be nice to have a list of Rajas alongside their disconnection rating, some of them might secretly be able to think straight but keep quiet about it, while others like RW seem to have lost the plot completely. Someone like John Konghaus (a.k.a King Konghaus) would be in pole position after his outburst against Zoran. But with this Robert Wynne is clearly moving up the field. Maybe it's part of an internal competition going on at the higher levels to prove who's the most loyal by who can spout the most BS. You might be on to something there. My favorite part of the article: Hagelin, who is director of the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, said the Smith Center project is on hold as the TM organization deals with the February death of its founder, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Yes, the death of someone who's 92 and been bedridden for some time would be a quite a shock... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: It MAY be due to quantum interaction, that in itself is big news. But affecting people at a distance? Very big news indeed. I find any nonchalance about breakthroughs like this puzzling. You do realise this is highly important and paradigm shifting, if true? Of course you do. ** It's not surprising about quantum interaction at a distance: If two particles are entangled, they act in some respects as if they were a single object, said Wootters. Everything that happens to one of the entangled pairs instantly affects the other, no matter how far apart each of the entangled particles is from the other. Braunstein likens entanglement to a pair of ideal lovers who know each other so well that they could answer for their lover even if separated by long distances. http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c All very clever but it doesn't have anything to do with the brain. Particles in your mind don't become entangled and then seperate to different parts of space. This referes to laboratory experiments not to the general run of events in nature. Incorrect Hugo, physicists believe that every particle has an entangled twin somewhere in the universe. All particles. Yes but it's the bits that make up the bits that make up particles that are connected, and seperating them can only be done in a laboratory. It isn't an explanation for anything mystical. Its not mystical. Its scientifically obvious that 1. a superconductor is more invincible than its incoherent surroundings, and 2. That any energy in nature could act like a super-conductor. 3. Scientists teleported particle information ( a particle) across the Danube river a couple of years ago. 4. If research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals is to be thrown out the window, en masse, and on a whim, then yes, you could say that there is no ME. But that research shows clearly that there is an ME. Travis' research in the International Journal of Neuroscience showed that people in one room using a mental technique would affect the brain and body of people in another room. Therefore, a mental technique (ie. thought or some kind of energy from the brain and body) can survive beyond a few millimetres and have dramatic effects at a distance. He showed this twice. Other studies showed related results. Throwing science out the window is what fundamentalist nutcases do. Recap: 1. Superconductors exist. 2. Most scientists believe that any energy can take on the quality of a superconductor. 3. Information (power) can be teleported, and most scientists believe it is routine in the universe. 4. Mental activity (thought) can have action at a distance. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] EEG - Buddhist Meditation compared toTM meditation.
On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote: The primary difference between controls and experimental group for the Buddhist meditators was found in gamma EEG synchrony and power. Gamma waves are normally interpreted as a sign of concentration. Incorrect. High-Amplitude Gamma Waves are a sign of consciousness and surprised recognition, that is experiencing directly the basis of awareness in a state of constant amazement (but beyond the amazer and amazement). The subjective experience is that of resting in a nondual luminous vacuity. It correlates to samadhi in Patanjali yogins and the same signature is found in Buddhist yogins (e.g. the above graph). The primary difference is that the above posted EEG of a western Buddhist yogin in samadhi, he went, at will, into the state and stayed there for four hours. The state naturally and spontaneously increased as time went on. It's been independently replicated 4 times last time I heard. The TM EEG is fleeting, brief and cannot be duplicated at will for long periods of time and consists of coherence levels the same as normally seen in waking state. It's actually a snippet of one meditators session, not an entire session. It has not been replicated. There are a host of other differences, but that should suffice to explain: one represents a fragile and shallow, common state, the other a lasting and powerful state of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Further, the vedic literature suggests that humans have been in existence for millions of years, which contradicts most of the antropological studies today. Mythology at odds with scientific descriptions? Say it's not so! Next you'll be telling me that a chariot doesn't drag the sun across the sky each day! Next thing you know women and low caste people will want equal treatment, and there goes the neighborhood. The truth is that humans came from a kernel of corn, the American Indians were right. I hope that settles it. Although it may appear simple... John, it does not appear simple. It appears *simplistic*, and on *exactly the same level* as the Native American idea that humans came out of a kernel of corn that Curtis brings up. -snip- in my opinion Mr. B, you continue to rationalize the fear in your heart in terms of how you see the world around you. This is common for most of earth's population. You may want to try some hatha yoga or breathing exercises, followed by openly examining ideas that are neither supported by those you feel close to, or the consensus reality of the planet on which we live. The results may amaze you. just some friendly advice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: It MAY be due to quantum interaction, that in itself is big news. But affecting people at a distance? Very big news indeed. I find any nonchalance about breakthroughs like this puzzling. You do realise this is highly important and paradigm shifting, if true? Of course you do. ** It's not surprising about quantum interaction at a distance: If two particles are entangled, they act in some respects as if they were a single object, said Wootters. Everything that happens to one of the entangled pairs instantly affects the other, no matter how far apart each of the entangled particles is from the other. Braunstein likens entanglement to a pair of ideal lovers who know each other so well that they could answer for their lover even if separated by long distances. http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c All very clever but it doesn't have anything to do with the brain. Particles in your mind don't become entangled and then seperate to different parts of space. This referes to laboratory experiments not to the general run of events in nature. Incorrect Hugo, physicists believe that every particle has an entangled twin somewhere in the universe. All particles. Yes but it's the bits that make up the bits that make up particles that are connected, and seperating them can only be done in a laboratory. It isn't an explanation for anything mystical. Its not mystical. Its scientifically obvious that 1. a superconductor is more invincible than its incoherent surroundings, and 2. That any energy in nature could act like a super-conductor. 3. Scientists teleported particle information ( a particle) across the Danube river a couple of years ago. 4. If research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals is to be thrown out the window, en masse, and on a whim, then yes, you could say that there is no ME. But that research shows clearly that there is an ME. Travis' research in the International Journal of Neuroscience showed that people in one room using a mental technique would affect the brain and body of people in another room. Therefore, a mental technique (ie. thought or some kind of energy from the brain and body) can survive beyond a few millimetres and have dramatic effects at a distance. He showed this twice. Other studies showed related results. Throwing science out the window is what fundamentalist nutcases do. Recap: 1. Superconductors exist. 2. Most scientists believe that any energy can take on the quality of a superconductor. 3. Information (power) can be teleported, and most scientists believe it is routine in the universe. 4. Mental activity (thought) can have action at a distance. OffWorld I just typed out an exhaustive reply and my computer crashed so you'll just have to imagine my (ahem) devastating retort. I will say that I haven't chucked out anything on a whim, I've been reading TM research for *years* in fact I had my own set of the collected papers. Which I gave to Oxfam when I came to the conclusion most of it was nonsense about TM making your toenails grow quicker and things like that. The only thing that interests ME is the ME because of it's implications for science and life in general. I'm not convinced there is anything to it. And I think Hagelin talks utter crap about most things and just expects everyone to agree with him because they don't understand it either, and he's got a crown on. Travis' research sounds fascinating but I'd want to see it replicated with James Randi standard controls to sort out what (if anything) is happening. I'm not going to hold my breath about it though because it means a complete overhaul of many disciplines and on the flimsiness of the alleged evidence there's no point getting excited.
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: It MAY be due to quantum interaction, that in itself is big news. But affecting people at a distance? Very big news indeed. I find any nonchalance about breakthroughs like this puzzling. You do realise this is highly important and paradigm shifting, if true? Of course you do. ** It's not surprising about quantum interaction at a distance: If two particles are entangled, they act in some respects as if they were a single object, said Wootters. Everything that happens to one of the entangled pairs instantly affects the other, no matter how far apart each of the entangled particles is from the other. Braunstein likens entanglement to a pair of ideal lovers who know each other so well that they could answer for their lover even if separated by long distances. http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c All very clever but it doesn't have anything to do with the brain. Particles in your mind don't become entangled and then seperate to different parts of space. This referes to laboratory experiments not to the general run of events in nature. Incorrect Hugo, physicists believe that every particle has an entangled twin somewhere in the universe. All particles. Yes but it's the bits that make up the bits that make up particles that are connected, and seperating them can only be done in a laboratory. It isn't an explanation for anything mystical. Its not mystical. Its scientifically obvious that 1. a superconductor is more invincible than its incoherent surroundings, and 2. That any energy in nature could act like a super-conductor. 3. Scientists teleported particle information ( a particle) across the Danube river a couple of years ago. 4. If research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals is to be thrown out the window, en masse, and on a whim, then yes, you could say that there is no ME. But that research shows clearly that there is an ME. Travis' research in the International Journal of Neuroscience showed that people in one room using a mental technique would affect the brain and body of people in another room. Therefore, a mental technique (ie. thought or some kind of energy from the brain and body) can survive beyond a few millimetres and have dramatic effects at a distance. He showed this twice. Other studies showed related results. Throwing science out the window is what fundamentalist nutcases do. Recap: 1. Superconductors exist. 2. Most scientists believe that any energy can take on the quality of a superconductor. 3. Information (power) can be teleported, and most scientists believe it is routine in the universe. 4. Mental activity (thought) can have action at a distance. OffWorld I just typed out an exhaustive reply and my computer crashed so you'll just have to imagine my (ahem) devastating retort. I will say that I haven't chucked out anything on a whim, I've been reading TM research for *years* in fact I had my own set of the collected papers. Which I gave to Oxfam when I came to the conclusion most of it was nonsense about TM making your toenails grow quicker and things like that. The only thing that interests ME is the ME because of it's implications for science and life in general. I'm not convinced there is anything to it. And I think Hagelin talks utter crap about most things and just expects everyone to agree with him because they don't understand it either, and he's got a crown on. Travis' research sounds fascinating but I'd want to see it replicated with James Randi standard controls to sort out what (if anything) is happening. I'm not going to hold my breath about it though
[FairfieldLife] The Racism in the Republican Party
The New Definition of the Republican Party You might be excused if you said placing Obama's face on a $10 food stamp with a bucket of fried chicken, watermelon, ribs, and Kool-Aid was an isolated act. When a major right-wing network calls Michelle Obama, Obama's Baby Mama, you could dismiss it as as an overzealous producer who just thought it was funny and didn't mean it to say that black women are just baby machines for black men. You could, I suppose. You might even get a pass if you thought a Web site that depicted Obama and the word Waterboard Him was just created by an obscure group that didn't represent all Republicans although you would be wrong. If a picture of Obama was Photoshopped to make him look a little bit like Osama Bin Laden, you could pass it off as the work of a few idiots on the right. It could be, right? Supporters who carry racist Obama Monkey Dolls to your rallys are people who don't represent your campaign. You could argue that. Of course, this is just a moron on the fringe, right? What about when a high-level Republican fundraiser sends out an email that includes a joke with the punchline, if an airplane carrying Obama and his wife were blown up it certainly wouldn't be a great loss, and it probably wouldn't be an accident either.? Sure, you could pass it off as the act of a random dumbass. If, in response to your question, Who is Barack Obama? someone yelled Terrorist! you could say that was just one idiot in the crowd and was not indicative of the general sentiment. It's plausible. In fact, you could cite dozens of examples of these racist, divisive, dillusiuonal attacks on Barack Obama and conclude that they are just elements of the fringe and don't represent mainstream Republicans. Sooner or later though, you will have to acknowledge that this fringe is very widespread. You'll have to come to grips, eventually, with the fact that this fringe has become the very definition of the your party. ~~ Michael Demmons *Link to each entry* at website: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=12540
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: It MAY be due to quantum interaction, that in itself is big news. But affecting people at a distance? Very big news indeed. I find any nonchalance about breakthroughs like this puzzling. You do realise this is highly important and paradigm shifting, if true? Of course you do. ** It's not surprising about quantum interaction at a distance: If two particles are entangled, they act in some respects as if they were a single object, said Wootters. Everything that happens to one of the entangled pairs instantly affects the other, no matter how far apart each of the entangled particles is from the other. Braunstein likens entanglement to a pair of ideal lovers who know each other so well that they could answer for their lover even if separated by long distances. http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c http://tinyurl.com/561c All very clever but it doesn't have anything to do with the brain. Particles in your mind don't become entangled and then seperate to different parts of space. This referes to laboratory experiments not to the general run of events in nature. Incorrect Hugo, physicists believe that every particle has an entangled twin somewhere in the universe. All particles. Yes but it's the bits that make up the bits that make up particles that are connected, and seperating them can only be done in a laboratory. It isn't an explanation for anything mystical. Its not mystical. Its scientifically obvious that 1. a superconductor is more invincible than its incoherent surroundings, and 2. That any energy in nature could act like a super-conductor. 3. Scientists teleported particle information ( a particle) across the Danube river a couple of years ago. 4. If research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals is to be thrown out the window, en masse, and on a whim, then yes, you could say that there is no ME. But that research shows clearly that there is an ME. Travis' research in the International Journal of Neuroscience showed that people in one room using a mental technique would affect the brain and body of people in another room. Therefore, a mental technique (ie. thought or some kind of energy from the brain and body) can survive beyond a few millimetres and have dramatic effects at a distance. He showed this twice. Other studies showed related results. Throwing science out the window is what fundamentalist nutcases do. Recap: 1. Superconductors exist. 2. Most scientists believe that any energy can take on the quality of a superconductor. 3. Information (power) can be teleported, and most scientists believe it is routine in the universe. 4. Mental activity (thought) can have action at a distance. OffWorld I just typed out an exhaustive reply and my computer crashed so you'll just have to imagine my (ahem) devastating retort. I will say that I haven't chucked out anything on a whim, I've been reading TM research for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Open Letter to Senator McCain
I stopped reading this after a few paragraphs because I did not watch Letterman and so did not know the context. Can you give us the details of what he said? I watched Biden on Leno and the Red Sox game was on. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Fri, 10/17/08, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Open Letter to Senator McCain To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 10:07 AM Dear Senator McCain, With all due respect for the good that you stood for in the past, let's face it, when you admitted on the David Letterman show that you screwed up, you finally told the truth. The only truth it seems during your whole presidential campaign. The thing is, you are running for President and cannot afford to screw up. What if you and Sarah start a war with Russia, what will you say, I screwed up. And, you screwed up not only by not keeping your commitment to Letterman, but many other ways: 1 ) Perhaps your biggest screw up was your choice of Sarah Palin as VP which energized the lower animalistic fearful selfish behaviors of some American; too many Americans who are frustrated and confused in these difficult times. With your and Sarah's rhetoric, your ads( 100% of which are negative ), your Joe-the-Plumber plant as well as many other plants, I'm sure, you are taking America in the direction of fear, self-deceit, delusion, further loss of world integrity, more and more war. No wonder so many prominent Republicans and Conservatives are abandoning you and throwing their support for Obama and Biden. By choosing Sarah Palin for VP you put America at great perilous risk. 2) You screwed up by suspending your campaign. Everyone with any common sense knows that was only a political gimmick and not country first. 3) You screwed up by choosing to attack and attack Obama's character instead of coming up with real solutions for the pressing problems of the day and calling forth our better natures. Calling forth understanding, sharing, caring and making whatever sacrifices are necessary. You seem to be a very very conflicted man. When you told that lady that Barack was a decent family man, you spoke the truth. Now how does that square with all the other negative and distorted things you say about Barack the other 99.9% of the time. You must think we Americans are really stupid and can be manipulated by your ridiculous schemes. 4) You keep screwing up by not understanding that oil and nuclear are not real viable solutions for the problems we face right now. For short term, these do not work because of the development time and huge costs involved. Both have been around for decades and keep only adding to our problems. Einstein said, Insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. But, again, you are only too eager to play the fears and ignorance of the people for political gain. Americans need some different, new and wise ideas ~ things that are also cost effective. Both nuclear and oil are not cost effective, will do nothing immediately and distract from putting all our efforts into new and smart technologies. 5) You screwed up really big time by favoring war and not standing up to Bush and Cheney for torturing people. This was your real chance to stand up for something decent and it's not too late. You can still be the great hero that you always wanted to be by exposing all the wrongs committed by Cheney and Bush against the American people. But, again for political goals, you sacrificed all you moral principles and stood by Bush. 6) In the past, you have made many mistakes, including associating with dangerous and crooked people, but forgive yourself all too readily without due reflection and any real spiritual growth. Your first big mistake was leaving your first wife because she was crippled and not wealthy and then marrying a very very wealthy woman. If you cannot even commit yourself wholy to family first, how can you expect anyone to believe you when you say country first? Is this not a telltale sign of how you look at all Americans? In contrast, Joe Biden was willing to sacrifice his political career for the good of his family needs. 7) You keep screwing up by distorting what Barack says. You keep repeating over and over again the empty slogans of the standard GOP platform about taxes, spending, government and education. One of the main functions of government is to tax and spend, govern wisely and provide free education. You are not what America needs right now. 8) You are also screwing up big time by not taking into consideration your overall health, especially your mental health which is all too obvious by your unpleasant facial expressions. These are not very inspiring to look at. By not being aware of your own health, how can you understand anything about proper
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis' research sounds fascinating but I'd want to see it replicated with James Randi standard controls to sort out what (if anything) is happening. I'm not going to hold my breath about it though because it means a complete overhaul of many disciplines and on the flimsiness of the alleged evidence there's no point getting excited. Correction, it requires a complete overhaul of everything we think we know. And on what evidence? An unrepeated study and some hilariously dodgy time series analysis. Give us the world peace the IA course promised and we'll have to take it seriously. Statistically there is less war and civil war that ever before in history, and it has been steadily decreasing. This is not proof, but you watch too much news and don't realise you are only seeing ever- diminishing pockets of violence, and blowing them all out of proportion in your mind. Peace has come (as long as Bush and Cheney leave quietly) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
If the dinosaurs had brains big enough for communication, they could have created their own stories to pass down through the ages. Even if they had they're all extinct so unless they whispered it to their descendents, the birds, it's gone forever. But then the birds would have their own myth wouldn't they? Unless something funny is going on and all things are inter- related and came from the same source. You can see the problem of creationism right here. Hugo, Here's one conjecture of how the vedic creation story can be verified by scientific discoveries. According to the latest news, the Hadron Collider has been completed in Switzerland, although its temporarily shut down for repairs. The scientists there should determine if the atom or subatomic particles function like thought or consciousness. If yes, is it possible that these atoms or subatomic particles can maintain distinct type of consciousness? If the answer is yes again, then we can have a possible explanation of how the prajapatis were able to travel instantaneously the entire universe to affect the growth of matter or organisms--leading to the development of humanoids-- in planets that can support life. In other words, the prajapatis were conscious living entities who were able to utilize the quantum mechanical effects of the atomic structure to travel and influence the development of life in other planets throughout the universe.
[FairfieldLife] Could 2008 Be A Regression From The Utopia Of 2000?
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. H. L. Mencken writing in The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
There may be reducing violence and wars around the globe but that doesn't mean it's due to the ME. In fact research done by real researchers have found that quality of life measured by things like health, low crime, low corruption and so on, is highly correlated with societies that are secular liberal democracies. In fact there's an inverse correlation between religious belief and quality of life. So it looks like the reason for the improvements around the world over the last 50 years are mainly due to the spread of things that Maharishi disapproved of like democracy, free speech, women's rights, free markets and so on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Travis' research sounds fascinating but I'd want to see it replicated with James Randi standard controls to sort out what (if anything) is happening. I'm not going to hold my breath about it though because it means a complete overhaul of many disciplines and on the flimsiness of the alleged evidence there's no point getting excited. Correction, it requires a complete overhaul of everything we think we know. And on what evidence? An unrepeated study and some hilariously dodgy time series analysis. Give us the world peace the IA course promised and we'll have to take it seriously. Statistically there is less war and civil war that ever before in history, and it has been steadily decreasing. This is not proof, but you watch too much news and don't realise you are only seeing ever- diminishing pockets of violence, and blowing them all out of proportion in your mind. Peace has come (as long as Bush and Cheney leave quietly) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Foreign Poll Favors Obama in Landslide
Eight leading foreign newspapers conducted a poll that finds overwhelming support for Sen. Barack Obama in the United States presidential election. He would win by a landslide in every country surveyed. Canada: Obama 70%, McCain 14% France: Obama 68%, McCain 5% Switzerland: Obama 83%, McCain 7% Poland: Obama 43%, McCain 26% Japan: Obama 61%, McCain 13% Mexico: Obama 46%, McCain 13% Great Britain: Obama 64%, McCain 15% Belgium: Obama 62%, McCain 8% The poll also shows that America can no longer count on the friendship even of its closest neighbors and allies after eight years of the Bush presidency. Only a minority in the countries surveyed describe relations with the US as friendly. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/17/uselections2008-barackobama1
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:48 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Anyone have a list of rajas so we can grade their reality disconnect ratings? It might be fun to out the ones who secretly still have an attachment to economic and social realities. I know Schiffgens, Konghaus and Hagelin will be well up the top of a reality disconnect competition, but what about the others. I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis' research sounds fascinating but I'd want to see it replicated with James Randi standard controls to sort out what (if anything) is happening. I'm not going to hold my breath about it though because it means a complete overhaul of many disciplines and on the flimsiness of the alleged evidence there's no point getting excited. Correction, it requires a complete overhaul of everything we think we know. And on what evidence? An unrepeated study and some hilariously dodgy time series analysis. Give us the world peace the IA course promised and we'll have to take it seriously. Statistically there is less war and civil war that ever before in history, and it has been steadily decreasing. This is not proof, but you watch too much news and don't realise you are only seeing ever- diminishing pockets of violence, and blowing them all out of proportion in your mind. Peace has come (as long as Bush and Cheney leave quietly) OffWorld THAT however may be more due to the IE. No, not Internet Explorer though in a way: yes. The Internet Effect is probably responsible for less war and more peace. Never before have we been able to communicate instantly with someone on the other side of the global. This has made a whole difference in the way we see the world because now those neighbors in distant lands seem next door. Putsches and coups can be seen and reported up close (look at the recent Georgia event) and it becomes difficult for them to succeed. Of course are you taking into account the dumbass wars which may make up for the lack of wars elsewhere?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:15 PM, guyfawkes91 wrote: There may be reducing violence and wars around the globe but that doesn't mean it's due to the ME. In fact research done by real researchers have found that quality of life measured by things like health, low crime, low corruption and so on, is highly correlated with societies that are secular liberal democracies. In fact there's an inverse correlation between religious belief and quality of life. So it looks like the reason for the improvements around the world over the last 50 years are mainly due to the spread of things that Maharishi disapproved of like democracy, free speech, women's rights, free markets and so on. Same with starvation. The great Nobel prize winning economist Dr. Amrit Sen found that starvation does not occur, globally, in Democratic forms of government. So whatever, you do, do not listen to Maharishi--the guy was obviously a deluded egomaniac. Do you know how important this is? NO democracies; NO starvation. It's because representative Democracies are a moral stage 5, the social contract level of moral development. In all the lower stages of collective moral development--like the Maharishi's mad monarchical ideas--there is room for starvation to occur because of the way information flows in the less morally evolved societies. Following Maharishi's plan = a mad man's plan for world starvation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] EEG - Buddhist Meditation compared toTM meditation.
Many a year ago the US Public Broadcasting System's Nova ran a show on TM. Jerry Jarvis was the head then. The producer of Nova was skeptical of the brainwave coherence measurements the TMO was taking so he asked to have his coherence measured. He did as well as our sidhas. Candice Borland, Ph.D. psychology, University of Texas said on a residence course that of course the Nova producer's brain waves would be coherent. What would you expect from someone obviously highly evolved enough to be the producer of Nova. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote: The primary difference between controls and experimental group for the Buddhist meditators was found in gamma EEG synchrony and power. Gamma waves are normally interpreted as a sign of concentration. Incorrect. High-Amplitude Gamma Waves are a sign of consciousness and surprised recognition, that is experiencing directly the basis of awareness in a state of constant amazement (but beyond the amazer and amazement). The subjective experience is that of resting in a nondual luminous vacuity. It correlates to samadhi in Patanjali yogins and the same signature is found in Buddhist yogins (e.g. the above graph). The primary difference is that the above posted EEG of a western Buddhist yogin in samadhi, he went, at will, into the state and stayed there for *four hours *. The state naturally and spontaneously increased as time went on. It's been independently replicated 4 times last time I heard. The TM EEG is fleeting, brief and cannot be duplicated at will for long periods of time and consists of coherence levels the same as normally seen in waking state. It's actually a snippet of one meditators session, not an entire session. It has not been replicated. There are a host of other differences, but that should suffice to explain: one represents a fragile and shallow, common state, the other a lasting and powerful state of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:48 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Anyone have a list of rajas so we can grade their reality disconnect ratings? It might be fun to out the ones who secretly still have an attachment to economic and social realities. I know Schiffgens, Konghaus and Hagelin will be well up the top of a reality disconnect competition, but what about the others. I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect. Sal as opposed to say, cardinals, lamas, and brujos? :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: EEG - Buddhist Meditation compared toTM meditation.
---Hsuan Hua: Freezing to death, we do not scheme. Starving to death, we do not beg. Dying of poverty, we ask for nothing. According with conditions, we do not change. Not changing, we accord with conditions. We adhere firmly to our three great principles. We renounce our lives to do the Buddha's work. We take the responsibility to mold our own destinies. We rectify our lives as the Sangha's work. Encountering specific matters, we understand the principles. Understanding the principles, we apply them in specific matters. We carry on the single pulse of the patriarchs' mind-transmission. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many a year ago the US Public Broadcasting System's Nova ran a show on TM. Jerry Jarvis was the head then. The producer of Nova was skeptical of the brainwave coherence measurements the TMO was taking so he asked to have his coherence measured. He did as well as our sidhas. Candice Borland, Ph.D. psychology, University of Texas said on a residence course that of course the Nova producer's brain waves would be coherent. What would you expect from someone obviously highly evolved enough to be the producer of Nova. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote: The primary difference between controls and experimental group for the Buddhist meditators was found in gamma EEG synchrony and power. Gamma waves are normally interpreted as a sign of concentration. Incorrect. High-Amplitude Gamma Waves are a sign of consciousness and surprised recognition, that is experiencing directly the basis of awareness in a state of constant amazement (but beyond the amazer and amazement). The subjective experience is that of resting in a nondual luminous vacuity. It correlates to samadhi in Patanjali yogins and the same signature is found in Buddhist yogins (e.g. the above graph). The primary difference is that the above posted EEG of a western Buddhist yogin in samadhi, he went, at will, into the state and stayed there for *four hours *. The state naturally and spontaneously increased as time went on. It's been independently replicated 4 times last time I heard. The TM EEG is fleeting, brief and cannot be duplicated at will for long periods of time and consists of coherence levels the same as normally seen in waking state. It's actually a snippet of one meditators session, not an entire session. It has not been replicated. There are a host of other differences, but that should suffice to explain: one represents a fragile and shallow, common state, the other a lasting and powerful state of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:15 PM, guyfawkes91 wrote: There may be reducing violence and wars around the globe but that doesn't mean it's due to the ME. In fact research done by real researchers have found that quality of life measured by things like health, low crime, low corruption and so on, is highly correlated with societies that are secular liberal democracies. In fact there's an inverse correlation between religious belief and quality of life. So it looks like the reason for the improvements around the world over the last 50 years are mainly due to the spread of things that Maharishi disapproved of like democracy, free speech, women's rights, free markets and so on. Same with starvation. The great Nobel prize winning economist Dr. Amrit Sen found that starvation does not occur, globally, in Democratic forms of government. So whatever, you do, do not listen to Maharishi--the guy was obviously a deluded egomaniac. Do you know how important this is? NO democracies; NO starvation. It's because representative Democracies are a moral stage 5, the social contract level of moral development. In all the lower stages of collective moral development--like the Maharishi's mad monarchical ideas-- there is room for starvation to occur because of the way information flows in the less morally evolved societies. Following Maharishi's plan = a mad man's plan for world starvation. the Maharishi was a visionary, never looking backwards to the current possibilities, which you are doing, but always forward. so your comparison is unfair. I agree with you, that with what we have to work with today, democracy works out pretty well. his statements on democracy as a form of government were strictly in the context of democracy not producing the most capable leaders within government. the maharishi's principle was that we can quickly achieve tomorrow, ideals beyond our wildest dreams, far exceeding our present status. there's nothing wrong with that, is there?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:28 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the Maharishi was a visionary, never looking backwards to the current possibilities, which you are doing, but always forward. He was a businessman posing as a visionary Dawn. Let me put it to you this way: we was as much a visionary as Donald Trump. But I did like the the way Maharishi combed his hair much better. :-) so your comparison is unfair. Dawn, please look at the subject line and look for the word Raja in it. OK, good. His mad vision continues, in the ever-present and into the future. I agree with you, that with what we have to work with today, democracy works out pretty well. his statements on democracy as a form of government were strictly in the context of democracy not producing the most capable leaders within government. the maharishi's principle was that we can quickly achieve tomorrow, ideals beyond our wildest dreams, far exceeding our present status. there's nothing wrong with that, is there? I would not nor could not except a person of low moral development as an authority in such matters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: All it would take is for one creation myth scripture to give an accurate account of the dinosaurs. Having dominated every ecological niche for 250,000,000 years, is that really too much to ask from a creation myth? There are visible fossils all over the Himalaya since there are huge amounts of sedimentary rocks. What is traditionally believed in superstitious Vedic culture is that these represent souls who have incarnated into inferior forms of life and are trapped for huge swaths of time into the very rocks themselves. So those aren't dinosaurs Curtis, they're poor souls trapped in the rocks. Get with it already! Aren't the Vedas SO scientific! I just know one day I'll wake and I'll see the Vedas on the covers of both Nature and Scientific American with the caption How Could We Have Missed It? Ancient Vedas are Actually an Advanced Form of Science Based on the Unified Field! Be it as it may, I think it's wrong to judge for instance Rgveda based on a translation, into any language. The deeper meanings, or stuff, are almost inevitably lost in a translation. As an example, compare the orginal Vedic of the first line of Rgveda X 129: naasad aasiin no (pornounce: naw) sad aasiit tadaaniim to Macdonell's translation: There was not the non-existent nor the existent then...
[FairfieldLife] 3D Lynch film on MMY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:28 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the Maharishi was a visionary, never looking backwards to the current possibilities, which you are doing, but always forward. He was a businessman posing as a visionary Dawn. Let me put it to you this way: we was as much a visionary as Donald Trump. But I did like the the way Maharishi combed his hair much better. :-) so your comparison is unfair. Dawn, please look at the subject line and look for the word Raja in it. OK, good. His mad vision continues, in the ever-present and into the future. I agree with you, that with what we have to work with today, democracy works out pretty well. his statements on democracy as a form of government were strictly in the context of democracy not producing the most capable leaders within government. the maharishi's principle was that we can quickly achieve tomorrow, ideals beyond our wildest dreams, far exceeding our present status. there's nothing wrong with that, is there? I would not nor could not except a person of low moral development as an authority in such matters. you are too cynical for my taste, Vaj, though I respect your opinion.
[FairfieldLife] McCain Pals Around with Convicted Domestic Terrorist G Gordon Liddy
Is Liddy any less a domestic terrorist than Bill Ayers? During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention. In 1998, Liddy gave a fundraiser in his Scottsdale, Arizona home for McCain's senatorial re-election campaign -- the two posed for photographs together; and as recently as May, 2007, as a presidential candidate, McCain was a guest on Liddy's syndicated radio show. Does John McCain pal around with terrorists? Certainly McCain's continuing association and relationship with the convicted Watergate burglar and domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy might suggest that is the case, if we are to apply the standards drawn by the McCain campaign. In 1998, Liddy gave a fundraiser in his Scottsdale, Arizona home for McCain's senatorial re-election campaign -- the two posed for photographs together; and as recently as May, 2007, as a presidential candidate, McCain was a guest on Liddy's syndicated radio show. Inexplicably, McCain heaped praise on his host's values. During the segment, McCain said he was proud of Liddy, and praised Liddy's adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great. From the program: LIDDY: Your experience in the Hanoi Hilton is remarkable. I mean, I put in five years in a prison [for masterminding the Watergate burglary, and associated crimes], but it was here in the United States, and they didn't torture - the only torture that I had was being forced to listen to rap music from time to time. McCAIN: Well, you know, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of your family. I'm proud to know your son, Tom, who's a great and wonderful guy. And it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon. And congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great. Which of Liddy's principles and philosophies was McCain referring to? Liddy's advocacy of break-ins? Firebombings? Assassinations? Kidnappings? Taking target practice with figures nicknamed Bill and Hillary? During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention. Re: Liddy's continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great: Did McCain mean to include Liddy's instructions to listeners of his radio show in 1994 (around the time Ayers and Obama were on a board together discussing education programs and other plots) on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents (aim for the head)? If ATF agents attempt to curtail a citizen's gun ownership, Liddy counseled, Well, if the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. More recently, Liddy explained making the Clintons objects of shooting practice: I did relate that on the 4th of July of last year, when I and my family and some friends were out firing away at a properly-constructed rifle range and we ran out of targets, and so we - I drew some stick figure targets and I thought we ought to give them names. So I named them Bill and Hillary, thought it might improve my aim. It didn't. My aim is good anyway. Now, having said that, I accept no responsibility for somebody shooting up the White House. The Liddy-McCain symbiosis has been mentioned in a number of posts on the Internet - mostly by bloggers and sites identified with The Left. But the documentation of their interaction (Liddy has also contributed financially to McCain's presidential campaign) is not a matter of Left or Right: It is astonishing that, given the prominence of the Ayers matter accorded by virtually every mainstream news outlet in America, there has been virtually nothing on the subject in the major newspapers and broadcast networks. This is a real journalistic failure and abrogation of responsibility. Is Liddy any less a domestic terrorist than Bill Ayers? It is a zero-sum argument, for sure. I do not believe, incidentally, that John McCain shares the most abhorrent of Liddy's values, as expressed in Liddy's actions during the same period that Ayers was a Weatherman - and which Liddy continues to express, unapologetically, to this day. But McCain has now become so unmoored from the principles he once espoused, so shameless in his courtship not only of the Republican base but in his eagerness to unleash a poisonous arsenal of character assassination and
Re: [FairfieldLife] EEG - Buddhist Meditation compared toTM meditation.
Thanks so much for sharing this. It hits the nail on the head for what I've been saying to Lawson for years: Take a random sample sample of just about any group, and you'll find that Joe and Jane on the street produce similar coherence levels to the illustrious TM sidhas. It is a sad thing to discover, but it's true. That's also the basic reason they have been utterly ignored by mainstream neuroscientists. They all know the basic background truths (baseline readings of the human brain) for their profession. They know it inside and out--it's their job! I also heard a similar story from a friend involved at MIU. The scans showed nothing significant. Ole M. said 'there has to be something there--you're just not looking closely enough.' So they looked and looked and looked. Finally they found a slight up-tick in EEG coherence in the Alpha band. M. said that's it. And so they ran with it. A lie repeated enough times is believed to be true--even moreso in a cult. Coherence in EEG leads is now considered an obsolete measurement, other than as a variable in a much better equation. - That's all for me this week, thanks Eternal. :-) On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:24 PM, I am the eternal wrote: Many a year ago the US Public Broadcasting System's Nova ran a show on TM. Jerry Jarvis was the head then. The producer of Nova was skeptical of the brainwave coherence measurements the TMO was taking so he asked to have his coherence measured. He did as well as our sidhas. Candice Borland, Ph.D. psychology, University of Texas said on a residence course that of course the Nova producer's brain waves would be coherent. What would you expect from someone obviously highly evolved enough to be the producer of Nova. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote: The primary difference between controls and experimental group for the Buddhist meditators was found in gamma EEG synchrony and power. Gamma waves are normally interpreted as a sign of concentration. Incorrect. High-Amplitude Gamma Waves are a sign of consciousness and surprised recognition, that is experiencing directly the basis of awareness in a state of constant amazement (but beyond the amazer and amazement). The subjective experience is that of resting in a nondual luminous vacuity. It correlates to samadhi in Patanjali yogins and the same signature is found in Buddhist yogins (e.g. the above graph). The primary difference is that the above posted EEG of a western Buddhist yogin in samadhi, he went, at will, into the state and stayed there for four hours. The state naturally and spontaneously increased as time went on. It's been independently replicated 4 times last time I heard. The TM EEG is fleeting, brief and cannot be duplicated at will for long periods of time and consists of coherence levels the same as normally seen in waking state. It's actually a snippet of one meditators session, not an entire session. It has not been replicated. There are a host of other differences, but that should suffice to explain: one represents a fragile and shallow, common state, the other a lasting and powerful state of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:48 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote:
Anyone have a list of rajas so we can grade their reality disconnect
ratings? It might be fun to out the ones who secretly still have an
attachment to economic and social realities. I know Schiffgens,
Konghaus and Hagelin will be well up the top of a reality disconnect
competition, but what about the others.
I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with
indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect.
Sal
Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary:
1 rajas n. atmosphere, air, esp. the lower region of clouds and
vapours (opp. {di3v} or {rA3cana}); the sky (conc. also as twofold,
{rajasI}) mist, gloom (i.g.); dust, pollen of flowers, any small
particle of matter; foulness, impurity, esp. the menstrual secretion,
darkness or soul-darkening passion (ph.).
;D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect. Sal as opposed to say, cardinals, lamas, and brujos? :) What are brujos? Anything like tacos? You don't like llamas? They're so cute! And it's unamerican not to like the Cardinals... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
There are visible fossils all over the Himalaya since there are huge amounts of sedimentary rocks. What is traditionally believed in superstitious Vedic culture is that these represent souls who have incarnated into inferior forms of life and are trapped for huge swaths of time into the very rocks themselves. Only people with high, coherent consciousness can have any understanding of the Vedas. It's like a hologram, which can only be seen when illumined with coherent light: http://tinyurl.com/5hpdst from: http://www.scienceclarified.com/He-In/Hologram-and-Holography.html If there are dummies who believe that the Vedas say that souls are trapped in those Himalayan rocks, that's not surprising, given that MMY has said that the average Indian is like an American on drugs (Humboldt State College, Aug 1970). India is a mess full of violence, poverty, and every sort of stupid human trick because of the low consciousness there. When the people of India start TM and expand their awareness, they will understand the Veda and quit making the stupid interpretations of it which were Standard Operating Procedure during the Kaliyuga.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: EEG - Buddhist Meditation compared toTM meditation.
On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:27 PM, yifuxero wrote: ---Hsuan Hua: Freezing to death, we do not scheme. Starving to death, we do not beg. Dying of poverty, we ask for nothing. According with conditions, we do not change. Not changing, we accord with conditions. We adhere firmly to our three great principles: Location, location, and location. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Ebert on W
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
--they're Naguals since they can turn themselves into turkeys!: In Mesoamerican folk religion a Nagual or Nahual (both pronounced [na'wal]) is a human being who has the power to magically turn him- or herself into an animal form, most commonly donkey, turkey and dogs, [1] but also other and more powerful animals. The Nagual can then use his powers for good or for evil causes according to his personality [2]. The specific beliefs vary within Mesoamerica, but the general concept of nahualism is thought to be pan-mesoamerican. It is also believed to be linked with pre-columbian shamanistic practices since depictions of humans transforming themselves into animals are known as early as in the Olmec culture. The practice is also sometimes linked with the Mesomerican calendrical system which can be used for divination rituals, often for example determining whether or not a person will be a Nagual. The common Mesoamerican belief of tonalism, that all humans have an animal counterpart to which their lifeforce is linked, also often intertwines with nagualism beliefs.[3] In English the word is often translated as transforming witch but a translation without the negative connotations of the word witch would be transforming trickster.[4] - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect. Sal as opposed to say, cardinals, lamas, and brujos? :) What are brujos? Anything like tacos? You don't like llamas? They're so cute! And it's unamerican not to like the Cardinals... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect. Sal as opposed to say, cardinals, lamas, and brujos? :) What are brujos? Anything like tacos? You don't like llamas? They're so cute! And it's unamerican not to like the Cardinals... Sal ha-ha-ha!
[FairfieldLife] Re: EEG - Buddhist Meditation compared toTM meditation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:27 PM, yifuxero wrote: ---Hsuan Hua: Freezing to death, we do not scheme. Starving to death, we do not beg. Dying of poverty, we ask for nothing. According with conditions, we do not change. Not changing, we accord with conditions. We adhere firmly to our three great principles: Location, location, and location. Sal Pure Zen!
[FairfieldLife] Vaj: query re: rinpoche tenzin wangyal
Vaj or anyone, a friend of mine has attended some weekend workshops with Rinpoche Tenzin Wangyal. He is from the Bon tradition, which as you probably know is the pre Buddhist, indigenous religion of Tibet. They do consider the Dalai Lama as one of their Masters and I believe the Dalai Lama now considers them a fifth branch of Tibetan Buddhism. My friend really likes the meditation practice. Do you have any more insight in to this style of practice or the group?
[FairfieldLife] Death threat, vandalism hit ACORN after McCain comments
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/54360.html Death threat, vandalism hit ACORN after McCain comments By Greg Gordon | McClatchy Newspapers WASHINGTON An ACORN community organizer received a death threat and the liberal activist group's Boston and Seattle offices were vandalized Thursday, reflecting mounting tensions over its role in registering 1.3 million mostly poor and minority Americans to vote next month. Attorneys for the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now were notifying the FBI and the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division of the incidents, said Brian Kettenring, a Florida-based spokesman for the group. Republicans, including presidential candidate John McCain, have verbally attacked the group repeatedly in recent days, alleging a widespread vote-fraud scheme, although they've provided little proof. It was disclosed Thursday that the FBI is examining whether thousands of fraudulent voter-registration applications submitted by some ACORN workers were part of a systematic effort or isolated incidents. Kettenring said that a senior ACORN staffer in Cleveland, after appearing on television this week, got an e-mail that said she is going to have her life ended. A female staffer in Providence, R.I., got a threatening call from someone who said words to the effect of We know you get off work at 9, then uttered racial epithets, he said. McClatchy is withholding the women's names because of the threats. Separately, vandals broke into the group's Boston and Seattle offices and stole computers, Kettenring said. The incidents came the day after McCain charged in the final presidential debate that ACORN's voter-registration drive may be perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history and may be destroying the fabric of democracy. McCain's comments provoked a response from ACORN. I would not say that Senator McCain is inciting violence, Kettenring said, but I would say that his statements about the role of this manufactured scandal were totally outlandish. We would call on Senator McCain to tamp down the fringe elements in his party. McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to requests for comment. Kettenring said that ACORN had received growing amounts of hate mail in recent weeks, but the campaign debate sort of tipped it over to a scary point, where raising allegations of voter fraud went from a cynical campaign ploy to really inciting racial violence. Since McCain's remarks, ACORN's 87 offices across the country have received hundreds of hostile e-mails, many of them containing racial slurs, Kettenring said. We believe that these are specifically McCain supporters sending the messages, he said. The e-mail to the Cleveland employee was traced to a Facebook Web page in the name of a Baltimore man. It featured a photo of a McCain- Palin sign. Kettenring said that the bulk of the e-mails had been either flat- out racist or had racial overtones. Most of the group's 400 members and about 80 percent of the 13,000 voter-registration canvassers are African-American or Latino. It's unclear whether the alleged threats violated federal law, but Jonah Goldman, the director of the National Campaign for Fair Elections at the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, a nonpartisan, nonprofit legal organization that battles discrimination, argued that the Voting Rights Act should apply. A real concern is the impact that these terrible acts have on the people who registered through these registration drives, Goldman said. Legitimate, eligible voters who sign up through these registration drives may be understandably intimidated and choose not to show up at the polls, and the Voting Rights Act prevents voter intimidation.
[FairfieldLife] MUM says travel to India now safe
from the current MUM Review http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/ http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/ 2. Course in India Scheduled for February/March After a hiatus due to unsafe conditions internationally, the University's study abroad program is being revived, with a course in India scheduled for February and March. The course will focus on Maharishi Vedic Science(SM), and students will tour the sites made famous by University Founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi because of his activities there. The itinerary includes Mumbai, Kovalam, Trivandrum, Kanyakumari, Rameshwaram, Madurai, Chennai, Kanchipuram, Vararnasi, Allahabad, Jabalpur, Brahmasthan, Agra (Taj Mahal), Rishikesh, Haridwar, and Delhi. This is the opportunity of a lifetime to see Maharishi's India, Vedic India, said Chris Jones, one of the teachers of the course. The group will travel under the auspices of the Indian Transcendental Meditation program movement. They will meet with students from the schools in India established by Maharishi, listen to Vedic chanting, and visit holy sites and locations where Maharishi was active. There is no better way to see India than with a group of sidhas and meditators traveling together, doing program together, and studying Maharishi Vedic Science in India, Dr. Jones said. The course will span the Forest Academy and Block 6. The section for men will be abroad Sunday, February 1-Monday, March 9. The section for ladies and couples will be abroad Thursday, February 5-Friday, March 13. The cost will be $3,200, not including airfare. The cost for students paying full room and board for spring semester will be $2,950. Airfare will be approximately $1,500. In addition, for non-M.U.M. students there will be a tuition fee of $1,750 ($750 for alumni). A 50% deposit will be due by November 7 and the balance by January 15. Airfare will be purchased separately. Travel within India will be by bus, plane, and train, which is included in the cost. For more information, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . To register and pay the deposit, go to the Enrollment Center in the Dreier Building. ** from the U.S. State Department: http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/warden_information.html http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/warden_information.html September 27, 2008 There was a bomb blast this afternoon at 2:15 p.m. at the Mehrauli flower market in New Delhi. Local media is reporting 2 fatalities and 18 injured. Americans traveling or residing in India are strongly encouraged to maintain a high level of vigilance, remain aware of their surroundings, monitor local news reports, avoid crowded places, and take appropriate steps to bolster their personal security. If unattended packages are spotted, American citizens should immediately exit the area and report the packages to authorities.
[FairfieldLife] 1927-1933 Chart of Pompous Prognosticators
We hear a lot of these nowadays too so buyer beware! http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/seymour062001.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
wrote:
On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:48 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote:
Anyone have a list of rajas so we can grade their reality
disconnect
ratings? It might be fun to out the ones who secretly still
have an
attachment to economic and social realities. I know Schiffgens,
Konghaus and Hagelin will be well up the top of a reality
disconnect
competition, but what about the others.
I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with
indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect.
Sal
Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary:
1 rajas n. atmosphere, air, esp. the lower region of clouds
and
vapours (opp. {di3v} or {rA3cana}); the sky (conc. also as twofold,
{rajasI}) mist, gloom (i.g.); dust, pollen of flowers, any small
particle of matter; foulness, impurity, esp. the menstrual
secretion,
darkness or soul-darkening passion (ph.).
;D
**
A raja is one who pleases the people:
http://tinyurl.com/5esgac
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ebert on W
bob_brigante wrote: Oliver Stone's W., a biography of President Bush, is fascinating. No other word for it. I became absorbed in its story of a poor little rich kid's alcoholic youth and torturous adulthood. This is the tragedy of a victim of the Peter Principle. Wounded by his father's disapproval and preference for his brother Jeb, the movie argues, George W. Bush rose and rose until he was finally powerful enough to stain his family's legacy. snip I wonder how many people will stay away because they are tired of Bush in any way, shape, or form. And some will stay away because it doesn't dig up enough dirt on him. It's playing up the hill from me but I will probably wait until next week to go see it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj: query re: rinpoche tenzin wangyal
--What you want is a CHOD retreat: http://www.lamawangdu.org/author%20bio.html - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj or anyone, a friend of mine has attended some weekend workshops with Rinpoche Tenzin Wangyal. He is from the Bon tradition, which as you probably know is the pre Buddhist, indigenous religion of Tibet. They do consider the Dalai Lama as one of their Masters and I believe the Dalai Lama now considers them a fifth branch of Tibetan Buddhism. My friend really likes the meditation practice. Do you have any more insight in to this style of practice or the group?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebert on W
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bob_brigante wrote: Oliver Stone's W., a biography of President Bush, is fascinating. No other word for it. I became absorbed in its story of a poor little rich kid's alcoholic youth and torturous adulthood. This is the tragedy of a victim of the Peter Principle. Wounded by his father's disapproval and preference for his brother Jeb, the movie argues, George W. Bush rose and rose until he was finally powerful enough to stain his family's legacy. snip I wonder how many people will stay away because they are tired of Bush in any way, shape, or form. And some will stay away because it doesn't dig up enough dirt on him. It's playing up the hill from me but I will probably wait until next week to go see it. * I'll stay away because I rarely watch anything in realtime anymore -- I turn on the captioning at home and watch it fastforward. Another good article on the movie: http://www.slate.com/id/2202341/ W. is the rare Oliver Stone film that had to tone down the historical record because the truth was too lurid. How the hell do you tell the uncensored story of a guy like George W. Bush? No one would believe it.
[FairfieldLife] Recent UK Program on 9-11
There is some interesting allegations at about 39 minutes into the video: http://www.edgemediatv.com/watchonline005_ontheedge.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Being the skunk at an atheist convention
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A beautiful and profound quote, Vaj. Thank you for sharing it. I don't see it as a refutation of Nabs statement, and perhaps you don't either. In any case that is some great writing. Right, a beautiful quote he copied and pasted. Please read his own words here and you will quickly see that this quote, amongst others, is intelligence he does from time to time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Maharishi was a visionary, never looking backwards to the current possibilities, which you are doing, but always forward. so your comparison is unfair. I agree with you, that with what we have to work with today, democracy works out pretty well. his statements on democracy as a form of government were strictly in the context of democracy not producing the most capable leaders within government. the maharishi's principle was that we can quickly achieve tomorrow, ideals beyond our wildest dreams, far exceeding our present status. there's nothing wrong with that, is there? Maharishi means great Seer. Democracy is damned because it allows collective consciousness to be the ruler in opposition to natural law. This is about to change as the world economic order is changing. Natural Law is now becoming the primary force amongs ordinary day to day politics, thus rectifying our obligations towards a starving world. Our gratitude goes to the tireless efforts of The Masters of Wisdom, Guru Dev and their great messanger and visionary during these turbulent times; Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. How can we watch our brothers die of starvation and call ourselves men ? - Maitreya Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi http://maharishichannel.org/ http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi means great Seer. Democracy is damned because it allows collective consciousness to be the ruler in opposition to natural law. That is correct and the position we will find ourselves in (even more) if Obama wins, the ones who get Obama elected are the lowest common demonator, as MMY puts it, i.e. those who wish to vote themselves largess from the public treasury, which Obama is promising. This is about to change as the world economic order is changing. Changing for the worse, don't kid yourself, there's no Vedic administration going on at the United Nations...world socialism, yes! snip Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi Which leaves Socialism with Obama at the helm. All dysfunctional forms of governments, and, btw, Obama has functional holes in his head just like Bush, Cocaine is even worse! Ohh :-)
[FairfieldLife] Rick Stanley on Maharishi Channel
channel 3 http://maharishichannel.org/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj: query re: rinpoche tenzin wangyal
On Oct 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, wayback71 wrote: Vaj or anyone, a friend of mine has attended some weekend workshops with Rinpoche Tenzin Wangyal. He is from the Bon tradition, which as you probably know is the pre Buddhist, indigenous religion of Tibet. They do consider the Dalai Lama as one of their Masters and I believe the Dalai Lama now considers them a fifth branch of Tibetan Buddhism. My friend really likes the meditation practice. Do you have any more insight in to this style of practice or the group? With a group of friends we picked up Tenzin at the Washington airport the day he first arrived in the US. It was an interesting time and place. He: young and still somewhat haughty, waiting-to-be-a-geshe (geshe is like a post doc guru experiential and academic degree). He'd just finished his first 49 day dark retreat (inner cave-yoga type retreat) a couple of years before--and the first to talk about it openly and freely to westerners. We all spent a weekend together rapping and, as an attorney friend had obtained a copy of the Zhang Zhung Nyan Gyud (The Oral Transmissions of the Kingdom Zhang Zhung) that was in the Library of Congress (!), we all hunkered down and grooved on the two all weekend. Us: the group of first Dzogchen practitioners in the west. We all blabbed together while he transmitted the atypicaly book-bound text from the LOC. It's very, very old--truly Vedic (it contains probably the oldest existing yogic texts known). But these guys were still (even after the Tibetan diaspora) keeping it real and alive. It was a good time. A lot of very personal questions got answered that weekend. He was still a somewhat rough lad then (rather haughty when I would challenge him on experiential meanings). But I've followed his career with great interest since: his collaboration with translator/ yogini Anne Klein of Rice University, his numerous written works and the works of his root teacher, Lopon Tenzin Namdhak I've followed closely -- they've both been of immense benefit to me. I do understand he recently married and I was so happy to hear of it. Most Hindu yoga followers will find it unusual that a yogi or guru would marry, but it's really common in both the Tibetan tradition (they call themselves the red tradition rather than the white tradition) and the pre- Vedic tantric traditions to go with what works for the individual realizer (rather than be 'condemned' to celibacy). We were amazed to find out the Bonpos not only understood the Kashmir Shaivite traditions, but they considered them younger than their own tradition and knew which 'pieces' the Shaivites had borrowed! (After all, the Kingdom of Zhang Zhung was the area around Mt. Kailash, the home of Shiva and the mountain-wife Parvati). So I'd recommend him as long as he doesn't get too haughty and guru-y; it's important to remember he's just a person and not some unapproachable figure. And his teacher the Lopon Namdak is superb. Last I heard he was to go into extended retreat and then only teach occasionally in France. There are other members of their line in circulation and surely, given the open-mindedness of the Bonpos, I know they'd also recommend that students not get stuck being attached to one person or teacher. It's good to get perspective, so I'd recommend she also receive other teachings from other gurus coming from Dolanji (the Bonpo monastery) when they come around. Good stuff! Good luck.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--Holy Mackeral Batman!: http://www.tinyurl.com/58pfdj - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Oct 11 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Oct 18 00:00:00 2008 810 messages as of (UTC) Fri Oct 17 23:52:55 2008 54 sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 50 raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] 50 authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 50 Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 50 Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 49 TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46 Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 38 Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 38 do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] 37 Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 34 off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 33 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29 enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27 bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24 curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16 John [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15 The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13 yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11 nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10 gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10 feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10 BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7 Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 Eustace [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 pranamoocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 paultrunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 ddeadlus [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 min.pige [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 globalpeace777 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 bitingbirdie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 frosty.mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posters: 53 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Stanley on Maharishi Channel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: channel 3 http://maharishichannel.org/ I tuned in a bit after 8:00, and it was King Tony speaking, apparently at some kind of Mother Divine event--Victory Day?--October 9 of this year. I thought he wasn't supposed to talk! I think this is the first time I've ever seen him speak. He's quite pleasant, actually, not at all snooty or pompous. He chuckles when he says something mildly humorous (such as when he mentioned the comments of pundits on the financial crisis, the humor being the contrast between the media version and the TM version). He hesistated at one point over the correct form of a word and grinned rather charmingly at his stumble. And he doesn't seem to be mimicking MMY at all. He has his own style of speaking. Not galvanizing, certainly, but very coherent and easy to follow. Gestures only when it's really called for. He's talking about the financial crisis, saying that it can't be denied that there are very unpleasant, negative aspects to it, but that it's a wakeup call from Nature. Very measured, level- headed, not the least bit bombastic. Can't tell if he's actually present in the room with the audience. Probably not. He's pretty compelling in a quiet way, I think. I'm impressed that he's willing to acknowledge that the financial crisis is a Bad Thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Maharishi means great Seer. Democracy is damned because it allows collective consciousness to be the ruler in opposition to natural law. That is correct and the position we will find ourselves in (even more) if Obama wins, the ones who get Obama elected are the lowest common demonator, as MMY puts it, i.e. those who wish to vote themselves largess from the public treasury, which Obama is promising. This is about to change as the world economic order is changing. Changing for the worse, don't kid yourself, there's no Vedic administration going on at the United Nations...world socialism, yes! snip Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi Which leaves Socialism with Obama at the helm. Billy, please. The world is waiting for an american president who acts responsible. There is no more time for us to act as if 30.000 of our brothers an sisters are not dying uselessly every day. You might cling to your old world order, but what is progressing now is 100% according to Maharshi's ideas. Your system of capitalism is being finished, it will soon be gone. Obama might very well be the fellow to guide your nation into the new realization so frequently reminded by Maharishi who already in 1975 inaugurated the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. A new beginning for the world indeed. This is the becoming of a new age, and you and me are very fortunate to witness this transformation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Stanley on Maharishi Channel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: channel 3 http://maharishichannel.org/ I tuned in a bit after 8:00, and it was King Tony speaking, apparently at some kind of Mother Divine event--Victory Day?--October 9 of this year. I thought he wasn't supposed to talk! I think this is the first time I've ever seen him speak. He's quite pleasant, actually, not at all snooty or pompous. He chuckles when he says something mildly humorous (such as when he mentioned the comments of pundits on the financial crisis, the humor being the contrast between the media version and the TM version). He hesistated at one point over the correct form of a word and grinned rather charmingly at his stumble. And he doesn't seem to be mimicking MMY at all. He has his own style of speaking. Not galvanizing, certainly, but very coherent and easy to follow. Gestures only when it's really called for. He's talking about the financial crisis, saying that it can't be denied that there are very unpleasant, negative aspects to it, but that it's a wakeup call from Nature. Very measured, level- headed, not the least bit bombastic. Can't tell if he's actually present in the room with the audience. Probably not. He's pretty compelling in a quiet way, I think. I'm impressed that he's willing to acknowledge that the financial crisis is a Bad Thing. Presice observations Judy, as usual; thanks for your intelligent observations. But did he acknowledge the financial crises to be a Bad Thing ? No, he did not say that. This crises is a part of a larger plan of rejuvenating the whole world, and his role as a respresentative of Maharishi is to water the root. What is happening now is not Bad at all. Which I think he emphasized in this speech rather brilliantly. Please remember that Maharishi in 1989 said: Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism This crises is the beginning of the end of capitalism. Raja Ram is very well aware of this fact. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:48 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: I would not nor could not except a person of low moral development as an authority in such matters. you are too cynical for my taste, Vaj, though I respect your opinion. Your post give me an interesting POV too, it's just often difficult to understand where you're coming from.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Stanley on Maharishi Channel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip He's talking about the financial crisis, saying that it can't be denied that there are very unpleasant, negative aspects to it, but that it's a wakeup call from Nature. Very measured, level- headed, not the least bit bombastic. Can't tell if he's actually present in the room with the audience. Probably not. He's pretty compelling in a quiet way, I think. I'm impressed that he's willing to acknowledge that the financial crisis is a Bad Thing. Presice observations Judy, as usual; thanks for your intelligent observations. But did he acknowledge the financial crises to be a Bad Thing ? No, he did not say that. This crises is a part of a larger plan of rejuvenating the whole world Yes, he made that point, as I said; but he didn't sugar-coat or gloss over or downplay the negative effects of the crisis in the shorter term. He was much more straightforward about that than I've yet seen from any TMO person, including Hagelin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University
I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect. The TMO money-grubbers do not care if there is a disconnect between the rajas and reality. They care only about making a disconnect between the faithful and their million dollar raja course fees, and before that, their million dollar enlightenment course fees. Ka-ching! Or is it Cha-ching! now? Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Central University To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:52 PM On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:48 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Anyone have a list of rajas so we can grade their reality disconnect ratings? It might be fun to out the ones who secretly still have an attachment to economic and social realities. I know Schiffgens, Konghaus and Hagelin will be well up the top of a reality disconnect competition, but what about the others. I'd say the very fact that they're rajas to begin with indicates a fairly serious level of disconnect. Sal __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- On Fri, 10/17/08, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 8:02 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi means great Seer. Democracy is damned because it allows collective consciousness to be the ruler in opposition to natural law. That is correct and the position we will find ourselves in (even more) if Obama wins, the ones who get Obama elected are the lowest common demonator, as MMY puts it, i.e. those who wish to vote themselves largess from the public treasury, which Obama is promising. This is about to change as the world economic order is changing. Changing for the worse, don't kid yourself, there's no Vedic administration going on at the United Nations...world socialism, yes! snip Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi Which leaves Socialism with Obama at the helm. All dysfunctional forms of governments, and, btw, Obama has functional holes in his head just like Bush, Cocaine is even worse! Ohh :-) Billy G, what is a functional hole and how is it assessed? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] 'Did LBJ/Nixon Co.- Terrorize Viet Nam?'
The Fish Cheer I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die RagGimme an F! F! Gimme an I! I! Gimme an S! S! Gimme an H! H! What's that spell ? FISH! What's that spell ? FISH! What's that spell ? FISH! Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again. He's got himself in a terrible jam Way down yonder in Vietnam So put down your books and pick up a gun, We're gonna have a whole lotta fun. And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for ? Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam; And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates, Well there ain't no time to wonder why, Whoopee! we're all gonna die. Well, come on generals, let's move fast; Your big chance has come at last. Gotta go out and get those reds — The only good commie is the one who's dead And you know that peace can only be won When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come. And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for ? Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam; And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates, Well there ain't no time to wonder why Whoopee! we're all gonna die. Huh! Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow, Why man, this is war au-go-go. There's plenty good money to be made By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade, Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb, They drop it on the Viet Cong. And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for ? Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam. And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates, Well there ain't no time to wonder why Whoopee! we're all gonna die. Well, come on mothers throughout the land, Pack your boys off to Vietnam. Come on fathers, don't hesitate, Send 'em off before it's too late. Be the first one on your block To have your boy come home in a box. And it's one, two, three What are we fighting for ? Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam. And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates, There ain't no time, to wonder why? Woopee, we're all gonna die! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maharishi--the guy was obviously a deluded egomaniac. Do you know how important this is? NO democracies; NO starvation. So you're saying if we get rid of all democracies, we'll get rid of starvation as well? (Ever notice how the more excited Vaj gets about bashing Maharishi, the less coherent he becomes?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
(snip) That is correct and the position we will find ourselves in (even more) if Obama wins, the ones who get Obama elected are the lowest common denominator... Which leaves Socialism with Obama at the helm. All dysfunctional forms of governments, and, btw, Obama has functional holes in his head just like Bush, Cocaine is even worse! Ohh :-) Lowest common demoninator would apply more to the following: Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II... This is the most foolish interpretation...that Barack Obama would be the lowest common denominator... Just the opposite...he has so much going against him, how could you possibly come to this conclusion... Can you imagine a McCain/Palin presidency? If that doesn't scare the hell our of you, than you are beyond the beyond. How would the rest of the world look at the great old USA, If we would possibly vote on this old man, and this 'you betcha'... VP? People around the world and and on every American street corner and corn fields, would think: Americans must be RETARDS... We would serously be set back to 1865...or the stone age... Thank God, the Maharishi's programs, if you take that all seriously, Has provided an opportunity for us to get out of the pits, and to live up to the goals which are forefathers hoped we would reach. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lady Killers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The guys you are dogging out all have loving relationships with the women in their lives Whether it's even the case that all the men on this forum *have* women in their lives, the fact is that a large percentage of men who abuse women would smugly declare they had loving relationships with those women. and you ought to trust your sisters on the ground about these men. I don't believe we've heard from your girlfriend lately, or any of the wives or girlfriends (or even the one-night stands) of the men on this forum. What sisters on the ground are there for us to trust with regard to the behavior of the men on FFL? We see how the men here treat *us*. And we see how our sisters on the ground are treated in the quotes raunchydog posted. We see how Hillary and Sarah Palin and Cindy McCain and Jackie Kennedy have been treated here. The ones you should watch IMO, hide behind religious piety and their purity from low desires. No, it's the men who hide behind faux feminism and self-righteously insist they and their brothers are not the enemy, who close their eyes and ears to what's going on while fatuously proclaiming their innocence and good intentions. Your hypocrisy is stunning, Curtis. You've seen the misogynistic vomit (including death threats) hurled at me and raunchydog and other women who attempt to post here, not to mention at Hillary and Sarah Palin and Cindy McCain and even Jackie Kennedy. You have no excuse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: John McCain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:33 AM, raunchydog wrote: John McCain Brings Down The House - Al Smith Dinner Part 1 Video http://tinyurl.com/5dlrzy Yeah, that John McCain--he's just the life of the grand old party. Time for you and shemp to share a room with rubber walls somewhere. You can invite Judy to the party as well. It was a *very* funny speech, extremely well delivered, with near-perfect timing. It did indeed bring down the house at several points. It appears someone has a little trouble summoning her sense of humor. Oddly enough, both Obama and Hillary, the butts of most of McCain's jokes, seemed to think they were a riot. (Obama's was pretty good too, some excellent lines, not quite as boffo, mainly because his delivery wasn't quite as polished.) Boy, when you get to the point where you can't appreciate a witty speech by someone you disagree with politically, I'd say it's you who's ready for the rubber room.
[FairfieldLife] Sal, do.rflex, Bhairitu, and Vaj vs. Joe the Plumber
In the interests of not wasting posts on Stupid, I'm going to combine my responses to four related posts, all featuring Joe the Plumber. It's astounding the way Obama supporters have gone after him, when all he did was dare to ask Obama a question. I'd say it was even more astounding how wildly inaccurate the posts about him here have been, except that it's been clear for some time that this group of generally highly educated people and spiritual seekers don't think they really need to know what they're talking about where politics is concerned, especially when they're finding fault with the other side. - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Vaj wrote: Interestingly, today Joe Plumber became Jane and Joe Plumber. She's so damn creative. Supposedly this guy is actually fairly wealthy. Supposed by whom, you? Wrong, stupid. He made $40,000 in 2006. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418/- 1/NEWS http://tinyurl.com/3qxbrz - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Turns out Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote. Yes, he is registered to vote, sorry to disappoint. Joe the Plumber admits he makes much less than $250k (on CBS) so will in fact pay less taxes under Obama than under McCain. Puerile and inane. belly laugh If you had paid any attention to what he said in the video, you'd know that his concern wasn't his taxes at his present salary, which is fairly low ($40K in 2006). It was that if he is eventually able to buy the plumbing business he now works for, he thinks Obama's tax plan would cost him more than McCain's. (It wouldn't unless it made over $250K in profits, which isn't likely; only 1.4 percent of small businesses do. And it would depend on how the company is set up. Obama hasn't really provided any details of how his plan would work.) - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Turns out that in his state every plumber does need a license whether they work for themselves or for a company. Wrong. He's limited in where he can work without a license, but there are areas in which he can do so. See: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418/-1/NEWS http://tinyurl.com/3qxbrz Sure if he takes home a large enough salary that his taxable income is over $250K he will pay more in taxes. I doubt that would happen. He needs to know that with a business there will be business deductions that will lower his company's taxes. snicker He knows that, Bhairitu. It's not, like, esoteric. He said explicitly to Obama that the *profits* of the company he wanted to buy might push his personal taxable income above $250K. That's unlikely with a small plumbing business, as you suggest. But he's obviously a fairly smart dude and knew what he was talking about. He just wanted to challenge Obama on the principles behind his tax plan and did a fairly good job of it, using his own situation as an example, even if it wasn't a particularly realistic one. Unfortunately, Obama was so interested in converting Joe personally and making an impressive YouTube video with nice sound bites for the media that he wasn't so clear about the most important point, that the vast majority of small businesses (98.6 percent) do *not* make enough profit to put their owners' income over $250K. And he didn't even succeed in converting Joe, who saw right through him. - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Vaj wrote: According to Crooks and Liars, he was a plant and has connections to Keating: Joe the Plumber? More like Joe the Keating Family Operative Figures. And because it figures, therefore you believe it, right? Turns out it's not true, sorry. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600 http://tinyurl.com/4ownld
[FairfieldLife] It hurts
Notice anything in common in the responses to Anglachel's essay? - Peter: Jesus, somebody's on the rag or needs to get laid! Vaj: As an old friend, a retired psychiatrist used to say: An orgasm a day, keeps the Shrink away! :-) Feste: This lady, Anglachel, has far too much time on her hands. She's wallowing in anger and resentment. Sal: Really, I think anybody who takes crap like this seriously needs to do some serious thinking about a vacation. do.rflex: Amen. Mainstream: Your obsessive, festering victimhood laments amplify an infantile perspective void of courage and character. - Not one of the responses addresses any of Anglachel's points, even in attempted rebuttal. Instead, all of them attack the messenger. Feste inadvertently gives the game away: It's painful to read (I couldn't get through even half of it). Yes, sometimes the truth hurts. And when it does, all too often a river in Egypt is enlisted to wash it away.
