[FairfieldLife] Re: Viagra orgy leads to man's death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: This proves to never underestimate the sexual power of a woman. The vedic scriptures state that women have 9 times the sexual power of a man. In one of the stories, a rishi who married a young woman had to develope a specific siddhi to multiply himself 9 times in order to satisfy his wife. Actually, this merely proves that most men are incompetent as lovers. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm curious why anyone thinks a complaint about presidential policy is somehow rebutted by citing approval polls--especially when the complaint alleges that the powers-that-be have succeeded in turning the public into zombies. 'Bama loves me! This I know, For the Polls they tell me so; Electoral votes to Him belong, Shafted Hillary, done her wrong. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! Money fried, Maw of bankers open wide; Washed away my savings in Stocks gone bad and wallet thin. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! loves me still, Loosing money felling ill; From His shining throne on high, There he watches empires die. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! He will stay, In the Whitehouse all the way; He's prepared a home for me, Tar paper shack and pot to pee. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. Overheard in the diner, I just received my stimulus package- a big package of watermelon seeds and two chickens Now I recall why I love reading this forum: the high-brow humor. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
/me shakes head at what this reveals about certain people. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm curious why anyone thinks a complaint about presidential policy is somehow rebutted by citing approval polls--especially when the complaint alleges that the powers-that-be have succeeded in turning the public into zombies. 'Bama loves me! This I know, For the Polls they tell me so; Electoral votes to Him belong, Shafted Hillary, done her wrong. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! Money fried, Maw of bankers open wide; Washed away my savings in Stocks gone bad and wallet thin. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! loves me still, Loosing money felling ill; From His shining throne on high, There he watches empires die. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! He will stay, In the Whitehouse all the way; He's prepared a home for me, Tar paper shack and pot to pee. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: Overheard in the diner, I just received my stimulus package- a big package of watermelon seeds and two chickens Oh I get it now. In the minstrel era of racist American history black people were associated with eating watermelons and chickens so they would seem to be a different (lower) type of human from white people (who coincidentally also eat watermelons and chickens.) And Obama is half BLACK! I totally get it now, this is a fantastic joke because it links the color of Obama's skin with a disagreement about a complex policy stimulus package that is attempting to solve a problem that the world's best economic minds totally missed! And if he doesn't instantly magically solve all these problems and figure out every detail in his fist few weeks in office even in the case of things he has no real control over... we can call him a watermelon and chicken eating black person because that is a way that we can make fun of him for being black and not solving all our economic problems at once in his first few weeks in office. Do I have that about right? About right. You missed the part about how a woman who couldn't even run her *campaign* within budget could have done a better job than Obama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: had to pipe in. I want to fuck all the girls on the show. I haven't yet noted a plot that will make some other motive for watching transparent to the wife. I don't want to fuck any of them. They're just not my physical types, or personalities. Yet. But they're getting there. Unlike the pseudo-feminists on FFL, these women don't bitch about being controlled and programmed and told what to think; they just stop being controlled, and think what they think. And they don't whine. Compare and contrast to the pseudo-feminists who *still* can't think for themselves, and whose anti-Obama rants still have to be pasted in from someone who is doing their thinking for them. My bet is that Echo and Sierra could write their own posts to Fairfield Life. That -- not their bodies -- makes them more attractive than women who can't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Doubling the air out time. Good idea. Ought to petition Dr.Hagelin to increase the old drug abstinence policy. That one for protecting the spirituality of the meditation experience. From 15 to 30 days. Yes, would be a great benefit both for the prospective student and everyone. Should just be zero tolerance for such anti-spiritual activity. Resolve, that prospective students of meditation shall abstain from the use of recreational chemicals or drugs, including all forms of marijuana usage, for a period of 30 days prior to learning meditation. Resolve, that to protect the prospects of purity in the meditative experience that all prospective meditation students shall submit to drug testing prior to their learning meditation. [ Continuing to rant as if these things were being written seriously... ] In a similar vein, because we all know that unbridled sexuality is contrary to the Vedic way of life that we are trying to promote, all prospective meditation students shall abstain from any sexual activity for different periods of time (according to caste, as stated below) before they can be allowed to learn TM and thus experience the spirituality of the medi- tative experience. Married Men -- They shall refrain from sex with their wives for a period of 15 days before instruction. This will have the effect of clear- ing the mind of the dreaded Pussy-Whipped Hormone that interferes with transcendence. Single Sexually Active Men -- They shall refrain from sex with anyone (including Rosey Palms) for a period of 30 days before instruction. The longer period of time is necessary because, being sexually active but unmarried, they require a longer time to be rescued from the Waste Of Life group. Single Celibate Men -- They have to lay off whack- ing off for at least ten minutes before instruction. ( While this may seem out of proportion to the other requirements, we feel it is reasonable because it will be just as hard for them to go without whacking off for ten minutes as for single men to go without sex of 30 days. ) Married Women -- Same as married men (15 days), but we know that they will hate it more than their hus- bands because women's place in the universe is to tempt men to dissipate their spiritual energies and remain stuck in Maya, and thus the women will be more frustrated than their husbands and suffer more because their evil intent is being thwarted. Single Sexually Active Women -- These hos must refrain from all sexually activity for a period of 90 days before instruction. In addition, they have to be tested daily during that period to make sure that they haven't gotten wet at any point during the day by having thoughts of luring men away from the spiritual path. Any hint of vaginal moistness requires a start-over of the abstention period. Old, Ugly Feminists -- We're not quite sure what to do about them. Testing is right out, because they haven't gotten wet about anything other than ven- geance fantasies in decades. And they don't have sex because no one could stomach having sex with them. We suggest putting them in the same category as Single Celibate Men, except that they *aren't* men, of course, and thus any spiritual meditative exper- ience is going to be lost on them anyway, so who really *cares* whether they ruin the spirituality of the meditative experience for themselves. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Octoshape problem!
Can anyone tell me what should be in place of XYZ.xyz to see Maharishi Channel? ./OctoshapeClient -url:XYZ.xyz Tried maharishichannel.in but it didn't work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's interview on Finnish TV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: That interview is claimed to be shown today (Sunday) on Maharishi Channel, www.maharishichannel.in I think the US time is about 9 pm. Oops! I mean, about 6.30 am CST(?) :]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Octoshape problem!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: Can anyone tell me what should be in place of XYZ.xyz to see Maharishi Channel? ./OctoshapeClient -url:XYZ.xyz Tried maharishichannel.in but it didn't work. Found it! It's /Ch.3_high.tv/
[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms
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[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Guidelines.txt
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[FairfieldLife] Bridled Sexuality
Having listened to the rants on this forum about the evils and dangers of unbridled sexuality and how that both ruins one's chances of enlightenment and drags down the Ideal Vedic Society that TMers are trying to create, I have perceived a marketing opportunity. I'm going to sell bridles. I've started a company called Age Of Enlightenment Bridles. I think they'll be just the ticket for people like BillyG and JohnR and others who are so worried about unbridled sexuality. Here are a few of our introductory models: http://www.goldenroyal.com/images/crump_eng_bits/chetak_bridles_group1.jpg http://www.goldenroyal.com/images/crump_eng_bits/chetak_bridles_group2.jpg Age Of Enlightenment Bridles are made from only the finest Sattvic leathers. Like Maharishi's deerskin, we only use in our bridles leather from animals who have walked up to saints and plopped down dead at their feet as a sign of devotion and sacrifice. And, our bridles are multi-purpose: * You can use an Age Of Enlightenment Bridle to curb your wife's sexual cravings. ( We don't recommend using our bridles on girlfriends because we don't recommend girl- friends; if you're not married or celibate, as Maharishi said you have chose the Waste Of Life path so there is little one of our bridles can do for you. ) You just place the bridle over your wife's head and shoulders and tether her in the kitchen, where at least she can be productive, according to her Vedic place in the world. * You can use an Age Of Enlightenment Bridle to bridle your own sexuality by wearing it discretely under your clothing. Heck, even if it doesn't do anything to curb those sexual cravings, you'll be too embarrassed to have actual sex because you'd have to disrobe and explain to your potential sexual partner that you're not really into BD. * If you backslide and actually decide to have sex, you can actually use the Age Of Enlightenment Bridle to explore all those BD fantasies you've been suppressing for years. Add an Age Of Enlightenment Bridle to your spiritual sadhana today and notice the difference it makes! You need no longer suffer from the heartbreak of unbridled sexuality. Age Of Enlightenment Bridles sell for $108 to $108,000. Just like the rest of the TM-related product line, the bigger your budget and the more worried you are that you aren't doing everything in your power to attain enlight- enment, the more we charge you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm curious why anyone thinks a complaint about presidential policy is somehow rebutted by citing approval polls--especially when the complaint alleges that the powers-that-be have succeeded in turning the public into zombies. 'Bama loves me! This I know, For the Polls they tell me so; Electoral votes to Him belong, Shafted Hillary, done her wrong. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! Money fried, Maw of bankers open wide; Washed away my savings in Stocks gone bad and wallet thin. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! loves me still, Loosing money felling ill; From His shining throne on high, There he watches empires die. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! He will stay, In the Whitehouse all the way; He's prepared a home for me, Tar paper shack and pot to pee. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. The small, impotent dead-ender group of loser fringe Hillarizoids have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh and the remnants of the loony fringe conservatives: Rush Limbaugh At CPAC: Doubles Down On Wanting Obama To Fail (VIDEO) The crowd, watching in three individual ballrooms because of overcrowding, went absolutely wild. ---At his closing speech at the CPAC conference, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh doubled down on his widely-controversial claim that he wanted President Barack Obama to fail, insisting that he meant what he said, and chastising those who were critical of him. This notion that I want the president to fail, this shows you the problem we've got. This is nothing more than common sense and to not be able to say it? Why in the world would I want what we just described: rampant government growth, welfare that is not being created yet is being spent? What is in this, what is possibly in this that any of us want to succeed? Did the Democrats want the war of Iraq to fail? They certainly did. And they not only wanted the war in Iraq to fail they proclaimed it a failure They hoped George Bush failed. So what is so strange about being honest and saying I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation? The crowd, watching in three individual ballrooms because of overcrowding, went absolutely wild. I know what's going on. We are in the aspects here of a historic presidency, I know that. But let me be honest again, I got over the historical aspects of that in November. President Obama is our president. President Obama stands for some things. He could be a Martian. He could be from Michigan. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me what his race is. It doesn't matter. He is liberal. That's what matters to me I want the country to survive. I want the country to succeed. Limbaugh, whose speech went on more than an hour than what was planned, didn't end there. Ladies and gentleman of the United States, the Democrat Party has actively not just sought the failure of Republican presidents, and policies, and now war for the first time. The Democrat party does not stop at failure. Talk to judge Robert Bork, talk to justice Clarence Thomas about how they try to destroy lives, reputations and character. And I'm supposed to say I don't want the president to fail? We are in for a real battle. We are talking about the United States of America... remaining the country we were all born into and reared and grown into. And it is under assault, it has always been under assault. But it has never been under assault like this, from within. The red meat speech was more than well received among the adoring conservative crowd which punctuated his address with repeated standing applause. On the flip side, it is hard to see how the elected officials of the Republican Party welcome this. Limbaugh's first declaration of hope for Obama's failure put a lot of GOPers on the line: did they stand with the brash talk show host against the president? Though, to be sure, there was little push back. Now, however, Limbaugh's invited more of the same line of questioning. VIDEO included at link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/28/rush-limbaugh-at-cpac-dou_n_170792.html http://snipurl.com/cv8ym Hint: The sore loser loony fringe Hillarizoids didn't get their way in the last election. Boo hoo. It's over. Live with it. And the sore loser loony fringe conservatives lost their asses -badly- in the last -two- elections. The American people seem to like it that way. Boo hoo. It's over. Live with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: Overheard in the diner, I just received my stimulus package- a big package of watermelon seeds and two chickens Enjoy your watermelon: http://tinyurl.com/dmcshw Thanks for the link RD - some good points in the sidebar links.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy
Dear Grate.swan, Finally someone else has come to this list who recognizes the gravity of the situation and is willing to write about it. With Best Regards, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: Brother Doug, I greatly commend your words and spirit. My only regret is that you have not let the Spirit speak through you fully enough-- though you are a most worthy vessel. The health and vitality of the meditating community is of prime importance. Heaven on Earth is our hands. If not now NOW then when?! We should not proclaim Next year in Brahmaloka -- but rather This Year, This Moment! What is constraining us only is the impurity of the new meditator. They come to our holy circle and pollute the holy collective wave function. The purity of new initiates when seeking to come into the Lords way is paramount. No young rappin hipsters. No drug-store painted husssies. We must have properly bred, properly raised young men and women from the finest families and education. Who have devoted several years to public service -- to polish their humility and bring luster to their grace. They must have had only consumed organic vegan food since birth. And never the lips that touch liquor shall ever whisper holy mantra. Much less the inhalence of profoundly rude organic material set ablaze in toxic fumes of perfidy. And never to have polluted their vital essences. I say unto you brother Doug, bring us those pure souls and we shall take them to heaven -- and Heaven shall come to all mankind and walk on Earth in this Generation. Amen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Doubling the air out time. Good idea. Ought to petition Dr.Hagelin to increase the old drug abstinence policy. That one for protecting the spirituality of the meditation experience. From 15 to 30 days. Yes, would be a great benefit both for the prospective student and everyone. Should just be zero tolerance for such anti-spiritual activity. Resolve, that prospective students of meditation shall abstain from the use of recreational chemicals or drugs, including all forms of marijuana usage, for a period of 30 days prior to learning meditation. Resolve, that to protect the prospects of purity in the meditative experience that all prospective meditation students shall submit to drug testing prior to their learning meditation. Jai Guru Dev, Don't ya think, given the incredible strength of the concentrated drug delivery in the modern hybrid pot plant, there evidently ought to be at least a 30 day drug-abstinence policy prior to being able to learn to meditate. Like, you can just see it in pot users. Two week pot-abstinence simply is not enough to protect their experience. Administratively, 30 or 45 days might as well become mandatory for prospective meditators or else is just a waste of the meditation teacher's time. can now easily test for pot residue in the system at the time of personal instruction, much like in the workplace it can be tested for or in traffic stops now for law-enforcement. That intoxication of the altered state of brain function of the high aside, the chemical drug residues of past pot use stick around quite a long time in the system. Is evidently a corruptor of more than innocence, the meditation program. A life opportunity of coming to meditation and the meditation experience itself is so especially precious a human right (inalienable) that pot users everywhere need to be looked after for their own welfare; as well as looking to that larger communal welfare of society. Because after all is said, being born free in the potential of meditating with a clear mind and clean nervous system is a shame to `waste' with pot. Is of criminal proportion against humanity. Is this that is the large difference between just some altered state and those spiritually exalted states of experience natural to human beings. Pot is nothing short of corruption. Simply is the science and experience of it, and let the due process of law convict pot use as a malefic everywhere in civil society. Pot use, it's a sin against all that is spiritual and good in humanity. Jai Guru Dev, The simple explanation is that: Pervasive use of modern powerful pot is the larger spiritual societal problem with people not meditating anymore. Folks just don't have transcendent spiritual experiences anymore or are hazy at best with pot use. Yeah, that Designer pot use and its addiction in society Is too bad. Oh, regulate it like a real drug. Marijuana Addicts Anonymous:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: Overheard in the diner, I just received my stimulus package- a big package of watermelon seeds and two chickens Oh I get it now. In the minstrel era of racist American history black people were associated with eating watermelons and chickens so they would seem to be a different (lower) type of human from white people (who coincidentally also eat watermelons and chickens.) And Obama is half BLACK! I totally get it now, this is a fantastic joke because it links the color of Obama's skin with a disagreement about a complex policy stimulus package that is attempting to solve a problem that the world's best economic minds totally missed! And if he doesn't instantly magically solve all these problems and figure out every detail in his fist few weeks in office even in the case of things he has no real control over... we can call him a watermelon and chicken eating black person because that is a way that we can make fun of him for being black and not solving all our economic problems at once in his first few weeks in office. Do I have that about right? snip, I was a bit surprised that the person recounting the story is about the same color as Mr. Obama and, that he chose not to see it as an insult. It is your choice to see something as an insult and be uptight but, in our case we had a good laugh. People that don't laugh at themselves in these PC times are a sorry lot. You are right that expecting Mr. Obama to fix the worlds problems right away is not logical- he is dealing an unprecedented mess. I do wonder however, that, with the people he has appointed for high offices, how it will play out with Chicago politics on a national scale.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bridled Sexuality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Having listened to the rants on this forum about the evils and dangers of unbridled sexuality Here's a few: * AIDS: human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) * Chlamydia infection: Chlamydia trachomatis * Genital herpes: herpes simplex virus (HSV) * Genital warts: human papillomavirus (HPV) * Gonorrhea: Neisseria gonorrhoeae * Syphilis: Treponema pallidum You can only spit in the wind for so long before some of it gets on you!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Imagine This!'
This dattatreya siva baba would be the fraud and his teaching false.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:
Grace from the Siddhas: Breaking the Grip of the 9 Planets
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In the temples of India, the 9 planets are arranged in a cyclical
pattern reflecting their positioning in the sky. The Sun is in the
middle with other planets rotating around them. The knowledge that the
world was round and the Sun was the center of the Solar system was
known to the ancients of India long before the Western counterparts of
Galileo and Columbus proposed these ideas.
It was the Maharishis, the Great Seers, who gained keen insight into
our solar system and how we as humans are influenced by each planet.
They established statue representations of the planets and invoked the
energy of the planet into the statue. Through praying to the statue
representation of the planet a person was able to more easily
establish a connection to the planetary energies and shift their own
consciousness and karma. This served to help many humans mitigate
their bad karma.
But around 3500 B.C., one the powerful 18 Tamil Siddhas of Southern
India by the name of Idaikkadar saw that a devastating drought that
had set in was going to last for 12 years, causing untold sorrows and
death for the people. Idaikkadar lived in the remote jungles, but he
still decided to act on behalf of humanity. By use of his yogic skills
he was able to change the directions of how the planets faced each
other.
Originally, all the planets were positioned to the face the Sun.
However, Idaikkadar saw that the original arrangement would feed the
cycle of karmas of an individual. With each planet facing each other
and coordinating their efforts, an individual would have a more
difficult time breaking the grip of karmas that the planets deliver.
In a brilliant move, Idaikkadar used his powers to change the
directions of the planets so that no two planets would face each
other. In this way, a person who remedies a bad Saturn or bad Mars,
would be able to deal one-on-one with the powerful planets, instead of
by committee. It is Idaikkadar who is responsible for the modern day
arrangement of the planets used in all the temples throughout India.
The current arrangement is as follows:
In 2008 the most powerful of seers by name of Brghu requested Sri
Dattatreya Siva Baba through a jeeva nadi reading to again rearrange
the planets for the benefit of mankind. The siddha Brghu saw that
because the planets are still arranged in a circle, karmas will return
to an individual again and again as the planets rotate. While you can
mitigate a bad karma, the next cycle will bring the same problem.
In October 2008, Dattatreya Siva Baba aligned the planets in a
linear fashion, in which the circular nature is broken and the karmas
have a much harder time returning to an individual. The planets were
organized in the following manner, all of them facing West:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
R. L., the mouthpiece for the wealthy, protests too much. Under the Obama Budget proposal, the wealthiest will only pay 39.5% of income, 20% in capital gains, and their ego-inflating charitable deductions will be decreased. The wealthy have a long, fat ride for 3 decades. IMO, Obama is taking it too easy on the wealthy, and should seek 65% of income, to return to a progressive tax system, restore the middle class. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm curious why anyone thinks a complaint about presidential policy is somehow rebutted by citing approval polls--especially when the complaint alleges that the powers-that-be have succeeded in turning the public into zombies. 'Bama loves me! This I know, For the Polls they tell me so; Electoral votes to Him belong, Shafted Hillary, done her wrong. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! Money fried, Maw of bankers open wide; Washed away my savings in Stocks gone bad and wallet thin. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! loves me still, Loosing money felling ill; From His shining throne on high, There he watches empires die. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. 'Bama loves me! He will stay, In the Whitehouse all the way; He's prepared a home for me, Tar paper shack and pot to pee. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. The small, impotent dead-ender group of loser fringe Hillarizoids have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh and the remnants of the loony fringe conservatives: Rush Limbaugh At CPAC: Doubles Down On Wanting Obama To Fail (VIDEO) The crowd, watching in three individual ballrooms because of overcrowding, went absolutely wild. ---At his closing speech at the CPAC conference, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh doubled down on his widely-controversial claim that he wanted President Barack Obama to fail, insisting that he meant what he said, and chastising those who were critical of him. This notion that I want the president to fail, this shows you the problem we've got. This is nothing more than common sense and to not be able to say it? Why in the world would I want what we just described: rampant government growth, welfare that is not being created yet is being spent? What is in this, what is possibly in this that any of us want to succeed? Did the Democrats want the war of Iraq to fail? They certainly did. And they not only wanted the war in Iraq to fail they proclaimed it a failure They hoped George Bush failed. So what is so strange about being honest and saying I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation? The crowd, watching in three individual ballrooms because of overcrowding, went absolutely wild. I know what's going on. We are in the aspects here of a historic presidency, I know that. But let me be honest again, I got over the historical aspects of that in November. President Obama is our president. President Obama stands for some things. He could be a Martian. He could be from Michigan. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me what his race is. It doesn't matter. He is liberal. That's what matters to me I want the country to survive. I want the country to succeed. Limbaugh, whose speech went on more than an hour than what was planned, didn't end there. Ladies and gentleman of the United States, the Democrat Party has actively not just sought the failure of Republican presidents, and policies, and now war for the first time. The Democrat party does not stop at failure. Talk to judge Robert Bork, talk to justice Clarence Thomas about how they try to destroy lives, reputations and character. And I'm supposed to say I don't want the president to fail? We are in for a real battle. We are talking about the United States of America... remaining the country we were all born into and reared and grown into. And it is under assault, it has always been under assault. But it has never been under assault like this, from within. The red meat speech was more than well received among the adoring conservative crowd which punctuated his address with repeated standing applause. On the flip side, it is hard to see how the elected officials of the Republican Party welcome this. Limbaugh's first declaration of hope for Obama's failure put a lot of GOPers on the line: did they stand with the brash talk show host against the president? Though, to be
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bridled Sexuality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Having listened to the rants on this forum about the evils and dangers of unbridled sexuality Here's a few: * AIDS: human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) * Chlamydia infection: Chlamydia trachomatis * Genital herpes: herpes simplex virus (HSV) * Genital warts: human papillomavirus (HPV) * Gonorrhea: Neisseria gonorrhoeae * Syphilis: Treponema pallidum You can only spit in the wind for so long before some of it gets on you! Billy, The fact that if you seem to think that sex involves spitting explains much about your fearful stance regarding it. But, since your fears seem to overshadow all else, allow me to tell you about another of my new products for On The Program TMers such as yourself -- The Age Of Enlightenment Full- Body Condom. http://secure.condomania.com/prodinfo.asp?number=H-BGC Yes, no more do you have to risk disease and the pollution of your aura as a result of coming into contact with demons of the female persuasion. Or demons of the male persuasion. Or anything else, for that matter. Now you can have *full* protection from the perils of the relative world. Simply purchase one of our patented Age Of Enlightenment Full- Body Condoms, put it on your crown chakra, and unroll it downwards to cover your whole body. Just *think* of the benefits -- now you don't have to worry about getting cooties from women, from pollutants, from the lingering smell of marijuana in the air around Fairfield, or from much of anything. You will be safely enclosed in a cocoon of latex, safe from all of these things that the Devil created to tempt you away from the full glory of God.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
After Katrina a follower of the Dalai Lama who I merely knew from the net gave me twenty thousand dollars for helping us which we split with a family which had their whole house blown down to the slab so yes there are rich people who do reach out and help others. And poor people like me who just as easily gave away a big wad of cash. That man will never know the simple fun it was to cash the check for a moment when we had the bills and got to flap them, then into the bank and spent already. That man taught me alot. Unfortunately though he is not nor will ever be my friend, I was merely some dharmic recipient, some part of his moral code. After the cash I reached out to him for friendship and that freaked him out, so maybe not all helpful rich are entirely the common man either. But thanks always to him. What I said about him not being a friend is entirely wrong as he was a great friend at a real needfull time for me. Ironically, the ten thousand really bought me a Honda Civic 2006 which I have really loved alot. The irony being that later I met a Tibetan Buddhist lama who lives near me and I started driving him around places alot, so the Dharma money somehow is never lost. The woman I gave ten thousand bucks to bought the entire Tangyur and Kangyur and huge troves of sacred texts for her temple, in Mississippi, and her property has really excellent vibes. We, meditators out front on the lines. What we do. Seems some help can come What were we talking about again. If any of you live in Austin you should visit this Buddhist grounds just to meditate because it's beautiful. http://www.palri.org/ Not trying to convert ya. Just as I went to SRF to meditate right next door to Pac Pal WPEC. On a side note, Doug, ya seem to be behaving yourself again, what happened?
Re: [FairfieldLife] '$In Rush/Reagan We Trust$?'
Gotta love GH.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy
I am sorry but what mother fucker signed an anti pot rave with a Jai Guru Dev? Get your fucking hypocritical and ignorant head out of your ass. Now I am not directing to anyone specifically. Because I forget with all the lack of cutting who said what But pot is not the enemy of spiritual experience, nor of shakti and pot increases shakti and spiritual experience. Therefore also jnana anad prajna. Now as for extending 15 to 30 days abstinence for druggies, we all know that's pushing it.And the strength of the weed detoxes in a week, two to feel 'normal.' Ever for the KB? Yes it's true boys and girls pot will not kill you or destroy your minds. Well, maybe some of you, but then TM also will destroy some of your minds. I say, we employ a thirty day no getting to smoke pot after quitting TM rule. Pot may not help the TM Fairfield Dome numbers pump out coherence, but you shouldn't underestimate it for helping a sadhu maintain clear shakti contact even in the world thus it's a useful visionary and spiritual substance. And Shakti Herself cares not for methods or means or dome numbers. I am sorry for any of you who have just never smoked pot, or who forbid such actions upon others. Fact is, sitting on my butt for two hours hurts my legs like a mother fucker and the idea of spending six hours a day in the domes meditating itself makes me want to run screaming. I applaud all of you who do it. I have to stick it out here in the relative and smoke pot and live the life of the American Sadhu. Not denying, always trying, to spread peace. By any method. Over and out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Hell, what happened to the 40 acres, $50 and a mule? Another one went over everybody's head. Most peoples memory doesn't reach that far back (like us)
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Imagine This!'
Robert, those people write some good typeset but they are hoaxters. I spent some money on them and they never sent anything as specified. Dattatreya Siva Baba is a liar, a fake, and a cheat. But he comes up with some really gimmicky Hindu bullshit. - Original Message - From: Robert To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Imagine This!' Grace from the Siddhas: Breaking the Grip of the 9 Planets Posted by Siddhas | Thursday, February 5, 2009 | Labels: Grace from the Siddhas: Breaking the Grip of the 9 Planets | 0 comments In the temples of India, the 9 planets are arranged in a cyclical pattern reflecting their positioning in the sky. The Sun is in the middle with other planets rotating around them. The knowledge that the world was round and the Sun was the center of the Solar system was known to the ancients of India long before the Western counterparts of Galileo and Columbus proposed these ideas. It was the Maharishis, the Great Seers, who gained keen insight into our solar system and how we as humans are influenced by each planet. They established statue representations of the planets and invoked the energy of the planet into the statue. Through praying to the statue representation of the planet a person was able to more easily establish a connection to the planetary energies and shift their own consciousness and karma. This served to help many humans mitigate their bad karma. But around 3500 B.C., one the powerful 18 Tamil Siddhas of Southern India by the name of Idaikkadar saw that a devastating drought that had set in was going to last for 12 years, causing untold sorrows and death for the people. Idaikkadar lived in the remote jungles, but he still decided to act on behalf of humanity. By use of his yogic skills he was able to change the directions of how the planets faced each other. Originally, all the planets were positioned to the face the Sun. However, Idaikkadar saw that the original arrangement would feed the cycle of karmas of an individual. With each planet facing each other and coordinating their efforts, an individual would have a more difficult time breaking the grip of karmas that the planets deliver. In a brilliant move, Idaikkadar used his powers to change the directions of the planets so that no two planets would face each other. In this way, a person who remedies a bad Saturn or bad Mars, would be able to deal one-on-one with the powerful planets, instead of by committee. It is Idaikkadar who is responsible for the modern day arrangement of the planets used in all the temples throughout India. The current arrangement is as follows: In 2008 the most powerful of seers by name of Brghu requested Sri Dattatreya Siva Baba through a jeeva nadi reading to again rearrange the planets for the benefit of mankind. The siddha Brghu saw that because the planets are still arranged in a circle, karmas will return to an individual again and again as the planets rotate. While you can mitigate a bad karma, the next cycle will bring the same problem. In October 2008, Dattatreya Siva Baba aligned the planets in a linear fashion, in which the circular nature is broken and the karmas have a much harder time returning to an individual. The planets were organized in the following manner, all of them facing West: Readmore »»
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy
Grate swan, some of your greatness shines forth in your satire below. However Doug is under the spell of Sheeshnag and thus dreaming with Wishnu. Jai Jai Guru Guru Dev Dev Nama Nama Ha Ha - Original Message - From: grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy Brother Doug, I greatly commend your words and spirit. My only regret is that you have not let the Spirit speak through you fully enough-- though you are a most worthy vessel. The health and vitality of the meditating community is of prime importance. Heaven on Earth is our hands. If not now NOW then when?! We should not proclaim Next year in Brahmaloka -- but rather This Year, This Moment! What is constraining us only is the impurity of the new meditator. They come to our holy circle and pollute the holy collective wave function. The purity of new initiates when seeking to come into the Lords way is paramount. No young rappin hipsters. No drug-store painted husssies. We must have properly bred, properly raised young men and women from the finest families and education. Who have devoted several years to public service -- to polish their humility and bring luster to their grace. They must have had only consumed organic vegan food since birth. And never the lips that touch liquor shall ever whisper holy mantra. Much less the inhalence of profoundly rude organic material set ablaze in toxic fumes of perfidy. And never to have polluted their vital essences. I say unto you brother Doug, bring us those pure souls and we shall take them to heaven -- and Heaven shall come to all mankind and walk on Earth in this Generation. Amen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Doubling the air out time. Good idea. Ought to petition Dr.Hagelin to increase the old drug abstinence policy. That one for protecting the spirituality of the meditation experience. From 15 to 30 days. Yes, would be a great benefit both for the prospective student and everyone. Should just be zero tolerance for such anti-spiritual activity. Resolve, that prospective students of meditation shall abstain from the use of recreational chemicals or drugs, including all forms of marijuana usage, for a period of 30 days prior to learning meditation. Resolve, that to protect the prospects of purity in the meditative experience that all prospective meditation students shall submit to drug testing prior to their learning meditation. Jai Guru Dev, Don't ya think, given the incredible strength of the concentrated drug delivery in the modern hybrid pot plant, there evidently ought to be at least a 30 day drug-abstinence policy prior to being able to learn to meditate. Like, you can just see it in pot users. Two week pot-abstinence simply is not enough to protect their experience. Administratively, 30 or 45 days might as well become mandatory for prospective meditators or else is just a waste of the meditation teacher's time. can now easily test for pot residue in the system at the time of personal instruction, much like in the workplace it can be tested for or in traffic stops now for law-enforcement. That intoxication of the altered state of brain function of the high aside, the chemical drug residues of past pot use stick around quite a long time in the system. Is evidently a corruptor of more than innocence, the meditation program. A life opportunity of coming to meditation and the meditation experience itself is so especially precious a human right (inalienable) that pot users everywhere need to be looked after for their own welfare; as well as looking to that larger communal welfare of society. Because after all is said, being born free in the potential of meditating with a clear mind and clean nervous system is a shame to `waste' with pot. Is of criminal proportion against humanity. Is this that is the large difference between just some altered state and those spiritually exalted states of experience natural to human beings. Pot is nothing short of corruption. Simply is the science and experience of it, and let the due process of law convict pot use as a malefic everywhere in civil society. Pot use, it's a sin against all that is spiritual and good in humanity. Jai Guru Dev, The simple explanation is that: Pervasive use of modern powerful pot is the larger spiritual societal problem with people not meditating anymore. Folks just don't have transcendent spiritual experiences anymore or are hazy at best with pot use. Yeah, that Designer pot use and its addiction in society. Is too bad. Oh, regulate it like a real drug. Marijuana Addicts Anonymous:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Viagra orgy leads to man's death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: This proves to never underestimate the sexual power of a woman. The vedic scriptures state that women have 9 times the sexual power of a man. In one of the stories, a rishi who married a young woman had to develope a specific siddhi to multiply himself 9 times in order to satisfy his wife. Had Tugoff seen Jane Fonda in Barbarella use her sexual mojo to destroy the Excessive Machine, he wouldn't have made the bet. http://tinyurl.com/2q4n26 I have to wonder how the threesome structured the rules of the game. Act One: THE BET Tugoff: I bet I can keep it up longer than both of you can have orgasms. Ludmila: I bet we can have more orgasms than your willy can satisfy. Act Two: THE GAME Tugoff: How many orgasms per hour can you have? Ludmila: Oh I don't know. On a good day, I can do at least two. Maruska: Ten. Tugoff: O.K. We'll average it out to four. Maruska: Count me in. Tugoff: No faking allowed. Who wants to go first? (One hour later} Tugoff: Wow! These pills are really working. Ludmila: Well, that's two for me. Maruska, your turn. (Two hours later) Maruska: I lost count. Ludmila: You hit 20. Slow down. We're trying to wear this guy out, not kill him. Maruska: I need a bathroom break. It's your turn. (One hour later) Ludmila: Well, that's two for me. Maruska, your turn. (Two hours later) Maruska: How many was that? Ludmila: 20. You're going to have to pace yourself or this guy is going to die. Maruska: I need a lunch break. (After lunch and one hour later) Ludmila: Well, that's two for me. Maruska, your turn. Act Three: THE CLIMAX (Twelve hours total and 100 orgasms later) Maruska: I'm getting sore and he's starting to bleed. How many was that? Ludmila: You broke your record at 50 five-minutes ago. You'll have to go on without me. After two, I'm ready for a nap. Maruska: No problem, Sister. Ludmila: Wait! I just read the warning label on the Viagra bottle and it says to call a doctor if an erection last more than 4 hours. Maruska: Poor bugger. I think I killed him. Ludimila: Well, it was fun anyway. Was it good for you? Maruska: You betcha. Epilogue: THE CORONER (At the morgue) Policeman: We just arrested two women for killing this guy. Coroner: Let them go. From the looks of his willy, and Viagra evidence, I'd say it was an fair contest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Man Dies After 12 Hour Viagra Fueled Orgy MOSCOW -- He won the bet, but lost his life. Police say 2 women bet their friend Sergey Tuganov that he couldn't keep up with them during a 12-hour sex marathon. The prize, $4,300. Tuganov took the bet and decided to boost his chances of winning by downing a bottle of Viagra. It worked. He won the wager. But just minutes later, the 28-year-old mechanic died of a heart attack, Moscow police said. We called emergency services but it was too late, there was nothing they could do, said one of the female participants who identified herself only as Alina. http://www.ktla.com/landing_mostinteresting/?Man-Dies-After-12-hour- Viagra-fueled-Org=1blockID=225251feedID=1080 http://snipurl.com/cuh60
[FairfieldLife] Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, What is going on in Fairfield? The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Within these past three decades, Fairfield spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a rich, new face. The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center for spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in Fairfield is now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century. ___Alphabetical: A Course in Miracles, Mondays 7:30 pm. Local contact: 472-7148. The Afternoon Satsang, at Revelations Coffee Shop. North room 2:30pm most days. Spiritual experience and understanding. Ammachi Fairfield Satsang Ammachi Fairfield weekly schedule of meditation, chanting, and bhajans. http://amma-fairfield.org/ contact: 472-8563 or 472-9336 Art of Living Foundation -Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Meditation and program schedule in Fairfield. 472-9892 http://us.artofliving.org/index.html Babaji Group: Local contact: 472-9952 Bapuji Group Shri Avadoot, better known as ³Bapuji². Local contact: 472-9260 Chalanda Sai Maa Satang in Fairfield Group meditations based on the teachings of Chalanda Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi. First and third Monday of the month at 7:30 PM. Call for location information: 641-919-5223 or email directly at: fairfieldsai...@humanityinunity.org http://www.humanityinunity.org Circle of Sophia a holy order for women at St. Gabriel and All Angels, the Liberal Catholic Church. Original worship celebration, written from sources in ancient Christianity, enlivens the Feminine Divine for both men and women. Celebrations monthly. 300 E. Burlington. www.stgabe.org Contact 472-1645 Deeksha Darshan and teachings of Bhagavan Kalki Padmavati Amma Fairfield contact for local program: 472-6948 Divine Mother Church in Fairfield `We don¹t talk about God, we commune with God'. Interfaith Service: Sundays 11 AM; 51 North Court, East Entrance Contact 641.209.9900 Fairfield Vedic Pujas, Yagyas and Ceremonies Scheduled public events always open to interested persons. By Vedic Scholar and Priest, Pandit Dhruv Narain Sharma: 630-240-3368 http://yagya108.org/default.aspx Fellowship of the Holy Spirit in Fairfield `Consciousness, Joy, and Devotion: Christianity that works.' Sundays, 11 AM, 51 North Court. 472-8737. Gangaji Group Local contact: 472-9476. Golden Shield Qi Gong Fairfield practice: 641-919-3913. Golden Shield Qi Gong www.jingui.com 641-472-5998 Hatha Yoga classes. Sue Berkey: 472-6577 Henry Hertzberger Chanting, Pujas Yagyas. Mahaganapati Temple Schedule: Fairfield Shri Karunamayi Satsang Fairfield Group Meditation and Program. 472-8422 http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2008Fairfield.shtml Liberal Catholic Church in Fairfield St Gabriel and all Angels, 300 E. Burlington. Contact, 472-1625www.stgabe.org Manavata Mandir Vedic Temple 800 W. Burlington in Fairfield. 469-6041. Mother Meera: 641.472.5149 http://www.mothermeera-fairfield.com/default.jsp Quaker Meeting Fairfield Society of Friends (Conservative Un- programmed) silent meeting for worship. 472-8422. St. Germain Meditation. Two active groups meeting for meditation weekly http://www.reiki-seichem.com/germain.html http://saintgermainfoundation.com/ Saniel Bonder, `Waking Down' in Fairfield. Sittings calendar: call 472-2001. http://wakingdowninfairfield.com/ Scalar Group Meditation Programs facilitated by Lilli Botchis. A unique opportunity as a group to research in mind/body consciousness the universal themes of pure energy and manifestation potential of HHFe Scalar wave regeneration system. Programs designed to clear, balance and open the chakra system. Contact, 472-0129. http://earthspectrum.com/ http://www.timeportalpubs.com/index.htm Shivabalayogi Group All are welcome. There is never any charge for Swamiji's blessings. For further information, contact: 641-233-1025. Svaroopa Yoga (641) 472-7499. Tetra Building Meditation Room. Daily morning and afternoon meditation facility for the practice of the TM-Sidhi meditation. A quiet, clean and convenient and unaffiliated place, `to do program'. Contact David Hawthorne for use and membership information: 472-3799. Transcendental Meditation Programs: TMmovement: 472-1174 Transformational Prayer in Fairfield For information on Fairfield activities, call 472-0662. Wednesday Night Satsang - Every Wednesday starting at 8pm CentralTime. Kirkwood Apartments at 304 W Kirkwood just east of Sidha Insurance near 4th and Kirkwood Apartment #10 third floor first door on the left. those who haven't quite got it complete the search. Contact - 919- 6917 The Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bridled Sexuality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Having listened to the rants on this forum about the evils and dangers of unbridled sexuality Here's a few: * AIDS: human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) * Chlamydia infection: Chlamydia trachomatis * Genital herpes: herpes simplex virus (HSV) * Genital warts: human papillomavirus (HPV) * Gonorrhea: Neisseria gonorrhoeae * Syphilis: Treponema pallidum You can only spit in the wind for so long before some of it gets on you! Great analogy BG People might be more impressed to see the whole list which probably wouldn't fit on one page and, that the only cure for some of them is reincarnation.
[FairfieldLife] Paul Harvey.........Good Night!
He lived his dream ran away in the '30's and joined Radio! Paul Harvey 1918-2009 Added2:48 [TRANSLATED] RIP Paul H. Aurandt - The Rest of His Story [TRANSLATED] RIP Paul H. Aurandt - The Rest of His Story In which I talk about 90 year old Paul Harvey Aurandt, famous radio broadcaster who died on Fe http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods
Kirk wrote: I want to fuck all the girls on the show. I haven't yet noted a plot that will make some other motive for watching transparent to the wife. TurquoiseB wrote: I don't want to fuck any of them. Not even Kirk's wife? They're just not my physical types, or personalities. Yet. But they're getting there. Unlike the pseudo-feminists on FFL, these women don't bitch about being controlled and programmed and told what to think; they just stop being controlled, and think what they think. And they don't whine. Compare and contrast to the pseudo-feminists who *still* can't think for themselves, and whose anti-Obama rants still have to be pasted in from someone who is doing their thinking for them. My bet is that Echo and Sierra could write their own posts to Fairfield Life. That -- not their bodies -- makes them more attractive than women who can't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bridled Sexuality
BillyG wrote: You can only spit in the wind for so long before some of it gets on you! TurquoiseB wrote: Billy, The fact that if you seem to think that sex involves spitting explains much about your fearful stance regarding it. Turq, just make sure you use a condom when you do your thrusting, that's all Billy is saying. Do they need any more of your bastards over in Spain? I think not. Report your condition to the free clinic right away! But, since your fears seem to overshadow all else, allow me to tell you about another of my new products for On The Program TMers such as yourself -- The Age Of Enlightenment Full- Body Condom. http://secure.condomania.com/prodinfo.asp?number=H-BGC Yes, no more do you have to risk disease and the pollution of your aura as a result of coming into contact with demons of the female persuasion. Or demons of the male persuasion. Or anything else, for that matter. Now you can have *full* protection from the perils of the relative world. Simply purchase one of our patented Age Of Enlightenment Full- Body Condoms, put it on your crown chakra, and unroll it downwards to cover your whole body. Just *think* of the benefits -- now you don't have to worry about getting cooties from women, from pollutants, from the lingering smell of marijuana in the air around Fairfield, or from much of anything. You will be safely enclosed in a cocoon of latex, safe from all of these things that the Devil created to tempt you away from the full glory of God.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
And I'm also curious why anyone thinks a complaint about presidential policy is somehow rebutted by quoting Rush Limbaugh's desire for Obama to fail, as if any such complaint means the person lodging it shares Limbaugh's desire. (More comments below.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm curious why anyone thinks a complaint about presidential policy is somehow rebutted by citing approval polls--especially when the complaint alleges that the powers-that-be have succeeded in turning the public into zombies. 'Bama loves me! This I know, For the Polls they tell me so; Electoral votes to Him belong, Shafted Hillary, done her wrong. Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! Yes, 'Bama loves me! The Polls tell me so. snip The small, impotent dead-ender group of loser fringe Hillarizoids have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh and the remnants of the loony fringe conservatives: snip ---At his closing speech at the CPAC conference, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh doubled down on his widely-controversial claim that he wanted President Barack Obama to fail, insisting that he meant what he said, and chastising those who were critical of him. snip Hint: The sore loser loony fringe Hillarizoids didn't get their way in the last election. Boo hoo. It's over. Live with it. Because there simply are no legitimate complaints to be made about anything Obama's doing, it seems. (Again I'll note the extreme irony of the scorn and outrage heaped on those who defend TM and MMY from the complaints of the critics when many of those same critics cannot tolerate any complaints about Obama.) My comments in this thread so far have nothing to do with my opinions about Obama's performance in office. They're about the gross intellectual dishonesty of some of his supporters here, do.rflex in particular. They seem utterly oblivious to the fact that their absolutist pro-Obama stance is the mirror image of the stance they attribute to Hillary's supporters. There *are* some sore losers among her supporters who are automatically opposed to anything Obama does. But these Obamazoids respond to *any* criticism of his actions from the left by tossing the critics in the sore loser pile, and, even more absurdly, combining that pile with the Rush Limbaugh want him to fail pile on the right. This kind of nutball thinking *does not help Obama*. Personally, I have my fingers and toes crossed that Obama succeeds, because the alternative is unthinkable. I'm in very close synch with most of the policies and priorities set forth in his budget. I have no idea, however, whether his approach to solving the economic crisis will be effective. Even the most expert economists are badly split, in many different directions and across the political spectrum, on that question. But I don't agree that he wants to perpetuate the oligarchy, as some claim. If he did, it seems to me, his budget would be very different. On the other hand, I'm very concerned about his having adopted some of the most pernicious policies of the Bush administration after having promised-- including directly to Rick Archer when Obama spoke in Fairfield--to reverse every Bush decision that, in Rick's words, eroded the Constitution. The Obama TBs here need to learn to live with the fact that Obama isn't perfect. Those on the left need to learn to live with criticism of his policies *from* the left. Instead of assuming that no such criticism can be valid, they need to evaluate it on its own terms. If they can come up with reasoned rebuttal, fine; that kind of dialogue is important and valuable. But if they can't rebut the criticism, they should consider joining the critics in pressuring Obama to change the policies that need changing. Again, viewing Obama as a saint who can do no wrong *doesn't help Obama* in this very difficult time.
[FairfieldLife] Paul Harvey.....Good Night! *Oops....the rest of the story!
Listen for a moment to the voice of news like one that will never be heard again! He lived his dream ran away in the '30's and joined Radio! Paul Harvey 1918-2009 Added0:51 [TRANSLATED] Broadcasting Pioneer Paul Harvey Dead at 90 [TRANSLATED] Broadcasting Pioneer Paul Harvey Dead at 90 Paul Harvey, the news commentator and talk-radio pioneer whose staccato style made him one of the nation's most familiar ... 12 hours ago 214 views AssociatedPress Added3:02 [TRANSLATED] Paul Harvey Misleads Consumers on Radon and Granite [TRANSLATED] Paul Harvey Misleads Consumers on Radon and Granite This Stone News Channel piece reports on false advertising appearing in the Paul Harvey radio program this fall. ... 1 year ago 10,596 views MarbleInstitute Added1:00 [TRANSLATED] Paul Harvey gets it Right! [TRANSLATED] Paul Harvey gets it Right! Paul Harvey ends his news with a for what it's worth on Chelsea Clinton. ... 1 year ago 11,720 views jbraua
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
We've got a lot of big stuff ahead of us. Not every decision we're going to make is going to be perfect. Not every plan that we lay out is going to work out exactly as we intendedThis is a human enterprise, it's not going to be flawless --Barack Obama to Jim Lehrer, 2/27/09 http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june09/obamainterview_02- 27.html http://tinyurl.com/cjo3x2
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods
It was what known Richard as irony. Something you yourself seem to extoll endlessly. Here's another example. Someone's wife wanted to see Britney Spears, okay? and Britney had Pussycat Dolls open, so that made it okay for that woman's husband to be interested in the Britney show. Now do you get it? Okay, let's leave it at that then. I also don't think other people's wife jokes are so very appropriate. Richard you and I had some run ins in the past. The present peace was preferable. But I'm always open to getting dirty if I have to. When it comes to Richard Williams faux pas one could open a nice site as flush and replete as our beloved Junkyard Dog. On the other hand, I deserved that crack but I shouldn't have checked my junk mail. - Original Message - From: Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods Kirk wrote: I want to fuck all the girls on the show. I haven't yet noted a plot that will make some other motive for watching transparent to the wife. TurquoiseB wrote: I don't want to fuck any of them. Not even Kirk's wife? They're just not my physical types, or personalities. Yet. But they're getting there. Unlike the pseudo-feminists on FFL, these women don't bitch about being controlled and programmed and told what to think; they just stop being controlled, and think what they think. And they don't whine. Compare and contrast to the pseudo-feminists who *still* can't think for themselves, and whose anti-Obama rants still have to be pasted in from someone who is doing their thinking for them. My bet is that Echo and Sierra could write their own posts to Fairfield Life. That -- not their bodies -- makes them more attractive than women who can't. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Obama DOJ blocks ruling on Bush's illegal eavesdropping
From Glenn Greenwald (a progressive who supported Obama in the primary and a constitutional lawyer) in Salon.com: The Obama DOJ's embrace of Bush's state secrets privilege in the Jeppesen (torture/rendition) case generated substantial outrage, and rightly so. But it's now safe to say that far worse is the Obama DOJ's conduct in the Al-Haramain case -- the only remaining case against the Government with any real chance of resulting in a judicial ruling on the legality of Bush's NSA warrantless eavesdropping program ...One of the worst abuses of the Bush administration was its endless reliance on vast claims of secrecy to ensure that no court could ever rule on the legality of the President's actionsSecrecy claims of that sort -- to block judicial review of the President's conduct, i.e., to immunize the President from the rule of law -- provoked endless howls of outrage from Bush critics. Yet now, the Obama administration is doing exactly the same thingWhy is the Obama administration so vested in...ensuring that Presidents continue to have the power to invoke extremely broad secrecy claims in order to block courts from ruling on allegations that a President has violated the law?... Read more: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/28/al_haramain/ http://tinyurl.com/d42f9n
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:04 AM, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no choice but to shore up the banks. Indeed North Dakota is booming. The people there are quite financially conservative. The largest bank in the state expects to have the usual 3 foreclosures they get annually.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. If we let these complex debt instruments and credit swaps to naturally resolve themselves -- giving bad management, bad investment decisions, bad loan practices, bad judgments by home-buyers a huge -- but mostly deserving hit -- we are told we must instead bail them out and spend massively on questionable things that we will be paying back for over many decades -- or else unemployment will be at depression levels -- and all that cames from that. A trillion has been committed to the bail-out, and another trillion for the stimulus. Potentially 1-3 trillion more to take us home. (And a trillion for Iraq -- but that's water under the bridge.) A trillion dollars could give 20 million people a 50,000 GI Bill type of educational grants/loans. Or provide 10 million people with a $100,000 grant. Enough for 2-4 years of full-tme retraining and education. Current unemployment is around 10 million. If it doubles, that's 20 million. Going from incomes obtained in a booming economy to and educational grant of $20-30,000 a year is a sacrifice -- but only compared to previous jobs that no longer exist. Its a quite livable, viable and life-saving sum compared to unemployment benefits or no benefits when those expire. Add in some student health insurance -- and people can make a go of it. Sending the unemployed back to school to train for 21st century jobs would provide a quantum leap of productivity to the economy over the next 20-40 years - as the GI bill did. This makes sense in any era. During times of high unemployment, the educational grants will keep keeps the unemployed living at a livable level. The unemployed neo-students will not end up in soup lines and living on the street -- which is the biggest fear and danger of high unemployment. And they will be spending their educational stipendd faster than most of the items in the stimulus package will be spent -- keeping the economy afloat as bad banks fail and new banks enter to fill the vacuum -- a process that will take several years. 1) Let those and the institutions behind i) bad management of financial institutions, ii) bad investments in shaky securities and way over-priced homes -- let them fail and reap the rewards of their stupidity, greed, bad judgement and in some cases borderline-criminal actions. 2) Keep the unemployed -- a result of not bailing out the banks, from soup lines and living on the street. 3) Infuse rapidly spent funds into the economy to keep it afloat during this transition. 4) Enable a quantum leap in national GNP and incomes over the next 20-40 years from the massive GI bill educational grants. How is this plan not better than the current stimulus an bailout bills?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Unlike the pseudo-feminists on FFL, these women don't bitch about being controlled and programmed and told what to think; they just stop being controlled, and think what they think. And they don't whine. Once again, Barry has apparently spotted a bunch of posts here that I never got to see. (I'd ask Barry to quote the posts in which the women he refers to bitch about being controlled and programmed and told what to think, but as we all know, Barry is special: He's uniquely privileged over ordinary people in never having to be accountable for anything he says, no matter how ridiculous.) Compare and contrast to the pseudo-feminists who *still* can't think for themselves, and whose anti-Obama rants still have to be pasted in from someone who is doing their thinking for them. FAIL. Translation: If they wrote their own posts, we could just dismiss them out of hand because we don't like them. But that's a lot harder to do when they quote, for example, economic experts (from the left, no less) who have specific criticisms of Obama's plan to stabilize the banks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
do.rflex wrote: The small, impotent dead-ender group of loser fringe Hillarizoids have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh and the remnants of the loony fringe conservatives: Whats-a-matter, Johnboy, did you lose your job at the local car wash? Or is it just a really quiet day at kos? It's about time somebody spoke the truth about this. The economy is doing great. Bush left things in good shape. I'm doing great with my job. Everyone else I know is doing great with their jobs. Times are good for the winners, like me. It's only losers who lose jobs. It's only losers who fail at business. They deserve what happens to them. People like me are winners. That's why we're Republicans. If you don't have money, or you lose your job, or your business is in bad shape all that does is demonstrate that you think negatively, your not organized and disciplined and that your probably a democrat or liberal or immigrant or minority or something. Who cares about those bums anyway? Conservatives are the winners. For us, we'll never be out of a job or money! To those who are, I say, work harder and stop blaming other people because your a loser! Read more: 'Somebody didn't tell these people there's a recession' http://tinyurl.com/bkwsdq
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods
Kirk wrote: I also don't think other people's wife jokes are so very appropriate. Yeah, it was like totally inappropriate for me to make any comments about your wife. Please share this thread with her and tell her I am sorry I said anything like that. Kirk wrote: I want to fuck all the girls on the show. I haven't yet noted a plot that will make some other motive for watching transparent to the wife. TurquoiseB wrote: I don't want to fuck any of them. Not even Kirk's wife?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: I was a bit surprised that the person recounting the story is about the same color as Mr. Obama and, that he chose not to see it as an insult. Black people can make fun of black people in ironic terms of the racist past of our history. It IS different when they choose to do it. I also believe it is unwise just as I oppose the use of the N word among black people. Now I understand the context better. It is your choice to see something as an insult and be uptight but, in our case we had a good laugh. If you were in on the joke I can imagine laughing for lots of reason including the irony of a black person using past racist terms. In your case I probably would have laughed too and felt as though he was treating me more of a racial insider who would get the joke. People that don't laugh at themselves in these PC times are a sorry lot. It isn't laughing at yourself that we are talking about here unless you are black. The term PC has become a backlash term for oversensitivity. We all have to choose our own lines here. Athough I am an advocate of my POV, I am not saying your laughing was inappropriate. Repeating it got a rise out of me without any context. I just finished a great novel by Bebe Campbell, Your Blues Ain't Like Mine. It was one of the most subtly nuanced discussions of race issues I have ever read, set in Mississippi through the eyes of most of the players including the White Trash, entrenched elite and many layers of the African American community. She falls just short of Tom Wolf's ability to animate specific social groups and make their conflicting POVs come alive. (But then he spent 10 years writing his masterpiece A Man in Full) Anyway I appreciate your dialoging on the issue here. I live in an African American dominant community, so I am always finding my own way on a daily basis with these issues. I am also often presenting African American dominate audiences with their own musical history so I am constantly thinking about how I can best represent my place without offense. I recommend your reading a bit about the Minstrel Era in theater history to understand why any reference to its images makes someone familiar with its uses want to speak up against it. OTOH I appreciate the context that you heard it and a chance to discuss it. You are right that expecting Mr. Obama to fix the worlds problems right away is not logical- he is dealing an unprecedented mess. I do wonder however, that, with the people he has appointed for high offices, how it will play out with Chicago politics on a national scale. We'll have to see. I'm still glad he is taking a crack at it. He may fail miserably. With the partisan wrangling going on now, with no reference to what may help the rest of us, I fear that once again politicians will fight to the death over our graves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: Overheard in the diner, I just received my stimulus package- a big package of watermelon seeds and two chickens Oh I get it now. In the minstrel era of racist American history black people were associated with eating watermelons and chickens so they would seem to be a different (lower) type of human from white people (who coincidentally also eat watermelons and chickens.) And Obama is half BLACK! I totally get it now, this is a fantastic joke because it links the color of Obama's skin with a disagreement about a complex policy stimulus package that is attempting to solve a problem that the world's best economic minds totally missed! And if he doesn't instantly magically solve all these problems and figure out every detail in his fist few weeks in office even in the case of things he has no real control over... we can call him a watermelon and chicken eating black person because that is a way that we can make fun of him for being black and not solving all our economic problems at once in his first few weeks in office. Do I have that about right? snip, I was a bit surprised that the person recounting the story is about the same color as Mr. Obama and, that he chose not to see it as an insult. It is your choice to see something as an insult and be uptight but, in our case we had a good laugh. People that don't laugh at themselves in these PC times are a sorry lot. You are right that expecting Mr. Obama to fix the worlds problems right away is not logical- he is dealing an unprecedented mess. I do wonder however, that, with the people he has appointed for high offices, how it will play out with Chicago politics on a national scale.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: Here is the best shows about the different aspects of the mortgage crisis that I have seen: http://www.hulu.com/watch/59026/cnbc-originals-house-of-cards At end of my mortgage career I noticed that homes had outstipped income. This is a huge social problem and may be the reason that any attempt to artificially support these unsustainable home prices in certain markets is shortsighted. It may be that we need to have a desperately catastrophic correction in home prices to allow for a future where families can afford home ownership in a metro area like DC. Of particular interest in the show was Greenspan describing how these catastrophic market corrections in boom and bust cycles may be the inevitable result of our self-serving human nature. During the crazy expansion period congress would never allow the kind of heavy restraints necessary that would have driven up unemployment during what people perceived as a boom time. How is this plan not better than the current stimulus an bailout bills? I haven't addressed your many good points but I enjoyed reading them. From what I can tell nobody has definitive answers on these questions so we are going to have to try some stuff, evaluate it, and then change course if we need to. I think we have a president who seems capable of admitting mistakes so he is committed to this process despite the inevitable political bloodbath as he changes courses to find something that works. It may be that we are eating a shit sandwich here and are only able to negotiate the thickness of our bread. (Thicker bread doesn't really help that much!) The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. If we let these complex debt instruments and credit swaps to naturally resolve themselves -- giving bad management, bad investment decisions, bad loan practices, bad judgments by home-buyers a huge -- but mostly deserving hit -- we are told we must instead bail them out and spend massively on questionable things that we will be paying back for over many decades -- or else unemployment will be at depression levels -- and all that cames from that. A trillion has been committed to the bail-out, and another trillion for the stimulus. Potentially 1-3 trillion more to take us home. (And a trillion for Iraq -- but that's water under the bridge.) A trillion dollars could give 20 million people a 50,000 GI Bill type of educational grants/loans. Or provide 10 million people with a $100,000 grant. Enough for 2-4 years of full-tme retraining and education. Current unemployment is around 10 million. If it doubles, that's 20 million. Going from incomes obtained in a booming economy to and educational grant of $20-30,000 a year is a sacrifice -- but only compared to previous jobs that no longer exist. Its a quite livable, viable and life-saving sum compared to unemployment benefits or no benefits when those expire. Add in some student health insurance -- and people can make a go of it. Sending the unemployed back to school to train for 21st century jobs would provide a quantum leap of productivity to the economy over the next 20-40 years - as the GI bill did. This makes sense in any era. During times of high unemployment, the educational grants will keep keeps the unemployed living at a livable level. The unemployed neo-students will not end up in soup lines and living on the street -- which is the biggest fear and danger of high unemployment. And they will be spending their educational stipendd faster than most of the items in the stimulus package will be spent -- keeping the economy afloat as bad banks fail and new banks enter to fill the vacuum -- a process that will take several years. 1) Let those and the institutions behind i) bad management of financial institutions, ii) bad investments in shaky securities and way over-priced homes -- let them fail and reap the rewards of their stupidity, greed, bad judgement and in some cases borderline-criminal actions. 2) Keep the unemployed -- a result of not bailing out the banks, from soup lines and living on the street. 3) Infuse rapidly spent funds into the economy to keep it afloat during this transition. 4) Enable a quantum leap in national GNP and incomes over the next 20-40 years from the massive GI bill educational grants. How is this plan not better than the current stimulus an bailout bills?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods
I just got around to watching the episode last night. Friday night is overloaded and the BSG episode was going to be hard for about anything to beat. That BSG episode was my favorite so far. It was like an art film with the dialog between Starbuck and the piano player and the story with Boomer and The Chief. After that The Sarah Conner Chronicles could have been hard to watch except that they also played a little more of a creative episode. But though I too find the Sierra character intriguing I didn't find episode 3 all that great. Some of this the veneer that Fox is probably insisting upon for the series which I think distracts. And I think Whedon can't decide whether he wants to reinvent a Buffy series as this is more in that direction than Firefly. Then it may be Fox that wants a Buffy like series. The WB or whaterver channel Buffy was on (now the CW) had lower budgets and the stories seem more honest. They depend on that network more on story than glitz. Hence, I am a fan of Supernatural which is a show done by X-Files alumni and The Reaper which returns this month which is a Kevin Smith creation. There is no veneer to get in the way. Speaking of Hollywood, my other watch last night was What Just Happened, a Barry Levinson film with Robert De Niro who plays a Hollywood producer going through all kinds of hell to get films out. Bruce Willis and Sean Penn also appear along with a stellar cast. And more story than veneer. Well worth a watch and now available on DVD and Blu-Ray. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486674/ TurquoiseB wrote: Even if the critics don't like Dollhouse, I do. Especially now that we're getting to know Sierra, one of the other dolls. Sierra is played in the series by another of those interracial beauties, Dichen (Dee-chen) Lachman. Australian father, Tibetan mother, born and raised during her early years in Kathmandu. Stunning, and not a bad actress, based on the evidence of one episode. http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fCJev76j6gwi/340x.jpg And Sierra's starting to bond with Echo. Neither of them are supposed to be able to remember enough from any of their previous assignments as dolls to be *able* to bond with anyone. OK, I *know* that Joss Whedon probably did not have reincarnation in mind when he wrote Dollhouse. Then again, maybe he did. What is the situation with the dolls? They are reborn on every assignment, with a new set of memories and abilities and a whole new personality. What is the situation with humans, if rein- carnation is real? We are reborn in every life with a new set of memories and abilities and a whole new personality. When the dolls meet each other in the Bardo (the Dollhouse itself, where they live in a fantasy world between assignments) or on an actual assignment, they are not supposed to recognize any of the other dolls they've interacted with before. But Echo and Sierra are starting to recognize each other and bond, even though they are theoretically not supposed to be able to. Occasionally, when humans meet for the first time in an incarnation, they recognize each other and realize that they have a pre-existing bond that cannot be denied. This is theoretically not supposed to happen, but I doubt that there is anyone here who hasn't experienced it. So yes, it may be true that Joss Whedon did not have reincarnation in mind as one of the themes of Dollhouse. Then again, we are talking Joss Whedon, so...
[FairfieldLife] The Rich
I came up with a new spin on the V for Vendetta line which seems appropriate these days: The rich should be more afraid of the people than the people afraid of the rich. What got me thinking this was another KGO talk show last night which was hosted by Jim Gabbert, a wealthy San Francisco broadcaster who started out in radio and at one time owned one of the local TV stations. He's does not consider himself a conservative but more of a conservative Democrat or liberal Republican. But he was fending off calls last night where he was defending rich against a rising tide of animosity by the public. At one point, being a pilot himself, he was defending private jets as a business tool. Maybe the American public is waking up to the fact that we're worshiped money and those who've accumulated it far too long. They're waking up to the fact that the rich may just be greedy. There's nothing wrong with being wealthy but who needs more than five or six million dollars to live comfortably? The Me era is over and now time for the We era.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
Curtis, Your points are well taken. But I also feel a slight pinch on one of your points. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: I was a bit surprised that the person recounting the story is about the same color as Mr. Obama and, that he chose not to see it as an insult. Black people can make fun of black people in ironic terms of the racist past of our history. It IS different when they choose to do it. I also believe it is unwise just as I oppose the use of the N word among black people. Now I understand the context better. snip - Anyway I appreciate your dialoging on the issue here. I live in an African American dominant community, so I am always finding my own way on a daily basis with these issues. I am also often presenting African American dominate audiences with their own musical history so I have some Irish genes but I don't consider Irish music my own musical history. I don't feel culturally enhanced or having better understanding of myself if I hear the Irish Tenors (I think more, WTF am I doing in this audience with all these old people.) Some (of rude nature) could perhaps make snide remarks about your possible, perhaps hidden, vision of your role in bearing the burden to educate blacks about their past. I can hear the inner minds of some saying WTF is this white guy telling me about what he thinks are my cultural roots and part of my identity. I am sure lots of black don't dig the blues the way you do. That's personal taste and preference. They may dig the Irish tenors over delta blues. There is one stage of world music. There is one audience. Its for all of us, all of it is all part of all of our heritages -- whether its blues, new punk, puccini, miles, robert johnson, the grateful dead, bob marley, amedeus, trotaka, aretha, gershwin, gretchen wilson, charlotte sometimes, alison krauss, muddy waters, robert plant, taylor swift, lily allen or duke ellington. We are all culturally enriched by so many variants on the thing we call music. And it belongs to none of us but all of us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. Minor point: We're not told we must bail out imprudent/ flipping home buyers. In fact, Obama said explicitly in his NSOTU speech that this wasn't going to happen. However, it probably is going to happen, simply because it's too difficult and time-consuming to pick these people out of the group of candidates for assistance. At least some who don't deserve it may end up getting it anyway, as the price for getting it to everyone who *does* deserve it in a timely manner. If we let these complex debt instruments and credit swaps to naturally resolve themselves -- giving bad management, bad investment decisions, bad loan practices, bad judgments by home-buyers a huge -- but mostly deserving hit -- we are told we must instead bail them out and spend massively on questionable things that we will be paying back for over many decades -- or else unemployment will be at depression levels -- and all that cames from that. The thing of it is, these instruments can't resolve themselves in a vacuum. The whole problem is that they're so intimately tied to so many other aspects of the financial system--not just in the U.S. but globally--that letting them resolve themselves would bring down the entire worldwide financial structure. Unemployment has many consequences, but it would itself be the consequence of such a collapse, which would basically strangle commerce across the board. Trying to start the economy up again after it has definitively been destroyed would be vastly *more* expensive and take much longer than the approaches that have been taken and are being contemplated now. The misery that ensued in the meantime would be unimaginable. And these approaches may not work. But very, very few economists think it would be better just to let things naturally resolve themselves. That CNBC program Curtis recommended isn't called House of Cards for nothing. It's already fallen partway. If we just stand back and let it go instead of trying everything we can think of to shore it up, we'll be left with a pile of useless cards and no house at all, for any of us. Who deserves to be bailed out and who doesn't is fundamentally irrelevant, because if those who don't are allowed to fall, they'll bring the rest of us-- around the world--down with them. Being furiously angry at these people is entirely reasonable and fully justified. What's not reasonable is to let that anger get in the way of saving *ourselves*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Leap! movie trailer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GBhl=en-GBv=slbmE64myAM hl=en-GBv=slbmE64myAM I see Pete Russell (he of The TM Technique book) is a guide: http://www.leapmovie.com/peter-russell/ Here he is (1 of 4): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgONKKcFQUw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: Here is the best shows about the different aspects of the mortgage crisis that I have seen: http://www.hulu.com/watch/59026/cnbc-originals-house-of-cards At end of my mortgage career I noticed that homes had outstipped income. This is a huge social problem and may be the reason that any attempt to artificially support these unsustainable home prices in certain markets is shortsighted. It may be that we need to have a desperately catastrophic correction in home prices to allow for a future where families can afford home ownership in a metro area like DC. Of particular interest in the show was Greenspan describing how these catastrophic market corrections in boom and bust cycles may be the inevitable result of our self-serving human nature. During the crazy expansion period congress would never allow the kind of heavy restraints necessary that would have driven up unemployment during what people perceived as a boom time. Anyone with any clue saw that by 2005 median incomes were way too low to support median housing prices in most areas. Either incomes had double or triple overnight -- good luck with that -- or housing prices have to fall 50-60%. Until the two are in synch we will continue to have housing and economic problems. Propping up artificially high housing prices is the worst thing we can -- in my view. What gets little attention is all the people who cannot afford way-puffed up out of synch housing prices -- and who will never be able to afford a home. We crap on these people by propping up artificially high, out of synch (price and income) home prices by subsidizing payments and not letting foreclosures -- an inevitablity of buying far overpriced homes -- take their course. And there are millions who we are permanently locking out of the home market so that many over-spenders can keep their unaffordable homes. And remember, having to move out of a larger house you cannot afford doesn't mean they will become homeless, it means they will move into housing more consistent with their ability to pay. If we don't prop up artificially high home prices, and don't get in the way of letting homes find their true value relative to buyer's incomes (which includes allowing foreclosures to occur), then housing prices will get back to realistic affordable prices. Yet some will become unemployed in this process, thus the huge safety net -- of providing any unemployed worker a 50-100k educational grant -- to get by on and retool themselves for 21st century jobs -- over the normalization period -- 2-4 years. How is this plan not better than the current stimulus an bailout bills? I haven't addressed your many good points but I enjoyed reading them. From what I can tell nobody has definitive answers on these questions so we are going to have to try some stuff, evaluate it, and then change course if we need to. I think we have a president who seems capable of admitting mistakes so he is committed to this process despite the inevitable political bloodbath as he changes courses to find something that works. It may be that we are eating a shit sandwich here and are only able to negotiate the thickness of our bread. (Thicker bread doesn't really help that much!) The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. If we let these complex debt instruments and credit swaps to naturally resolve themselves -- giving bad management, bad investment decisions, bad loan practices, bad judgments by home-buyers a huge -- but mostly deserving hit -- we are told we must instead bail them out and spend massively on questionable things that we will be paying back for over many decades -- or else unemployment will be at depression levels -- and all that cames from that. A trillion has been committed to the bail-out, and another trillion for the stimulus. Potentially 1-3 trillion more to take us home. (And a trillion for Iraq -- but that's water under the bridge.) A trillion dollars could give 20 million people a 50,000 GI Bill type of educational grants/loans. Or provide 10 million people with a $100,000 grant. Enough for 2-4 years of full-tme retraining and education. Current unemployment is around 10 million. If it doubles, that's 20 million. Going from incomes obtained in a booming economy to and educational grant of $20-30,000 a year is a sacrifice -- but only compared to previous jobs that no longer exist. Its a quite livable, viable and life-saving sum compared to unemployment benefits or no benefits when those expire. Add in some student health
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. Minor point: We're not told we must bail out imprudent/ flipping home buyers. In fact, Obama said explicitly in his NSOTU speech that this wasn't going to happen. That what he said. The proposals don't seem consistent with that. However, it probably is going to happen, simply because it's too difficult and time-consuming to pick these people out of the group of candidates for assistance. At least some who don't deserve it may end up getting it anyway, as the price for getting it to everyone who *does* deserve it in a timely manner. Propping up artificial home price swill NEVER be a long term solution. Housing price must get back to rational levels where mortgage payments are matched to incomes. Some innocents will be hurt as the home market corrects -- as well as flippers -- but no one but real estate agents said that buying a home was risk free. For the unemployed, I suggest a huge safety net of education, GI Bill type, grants. If we let these complex debt instruments and credit swaps to naturally resolve themselves -- giving bad management, bad investment decisions, bad loan practices, bad judgments by home-buyers a huge -- but mostly deserving hit -- we are told we must instead bail them out and spend massively on questionable things that we will be paying back for over many decades -- or else unemployment will be at depression levels -- and all that cames from that. The thing of it is, these instruments can't resolve themselves in a vacuum. The whole problem is that they're so intimately tied to so many other aspects of the financial system--not just in the U.S. but globally--that letting them resolve themselves would bring down the entire worldwide financial structure. Unemployment has many consequences, but it would itself be the consequence of such a collapse, which would basically strangle commerce across the board. Trying to start the economy up again after it has definitively been destroyed would be vastly *more* expensive and take much longer than the approaches that have been taken and are being contemplated now. The misery that ensued in the meantime would be unimaginable. And these approaches may not work. But very, very few economists think it would be better just to let things naturally resolve themselves. That CNBC program Curtis recommended isn't called House of Cards for nothing. It's already fallen partway. If we just stand back and let it go instead of trying everything we can think of to shore it up, we'll be left with a pile of useless cards and no house at all, for any of us. Who deserves to be bailed out and who doesn't is fundamentally irrelevant, because if those who don't are allowed to fall, they'll bring the rest of us-- around the world--down with them. Being furiously angry at these people is entirely reasonable and fully justified. What's not reasonable is to let that anger get in the way of saving *ourselves*.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:07 PM, grate.swan wrote: Anyway I appreciate your dialoging on the issue here. I live in an African American dominant community, so I am always finding my own way on a daily basis with these issues. I am also often presenting African American dominate audiences with their own musical history so I have some Irish genes but I don't consider Irish music my own musical history. I don't feel culturally enhanced or having better understanding of myself if I hear the Irish Tenors (I think more, WTF am I doing in this audience with all these old people.) Some (of rude nature) could perhaps make snide remarks about your possible, perhaps hidden, vision of your role in bearing the burden to educate blacks about their past. I can hear the inner minds of some saying WTF is this white guy telling me about what he thinks are my cultural roots and part of my identity. I am sure lots of black don't dig the blues the way you do. That's personal taste and preference. They may dig the Irish tenors over delta blues. There is one stage of world music. There is one audience. Its for all of us, all of it is all part of all of our heritages -- whether its blues, new punk, puccini, miles, robert johnson, the grateful dead, bob marley, amedeus, trotaka, aretha, gershwin, gretchen wilson, charlotte sometimes, alison krauss, muddy waters, robert plant, taylor swift, lily allen or duke ellington. We are all culturally enriched by so many variants on the thing we call music. And it belongs to none of us but all of us. Unfortunately many African-Americans don't see it that way. I remember seeing a segment on TV where Paul Simon went into some college or HS in NYC and was sharing his recent hybrid music on his album The Rhythm of the Saints, which featured much inspiration from African music and included a number of African musicians. A contingent of blacks showed up and raised holy hell at his presentation, claiming that whites had been stealing black music from blacks for a long, long time, and that this was just another example. It didn't matter how Simon tried to explain it, their 'tude was it was cultural robbery.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: Overheard in the diner, I just received my stimulus package- a big package of watermelon seeds and two chickens Oh I get it now. In the minstrel era of racist American history black people were associated with eating watermelons and chickens so they would seem to be a different (lower) type of human from white people (who coincidentally also eat watermelons and chickens.) And Obama is half BLACK! I totally get it now, this is a fantastic joke because it links the color of Obama's skin with a disagreement about a complex policy stimulus package that is attempting to solve a problem that the world's best economic minds totally missed! And if he doesn't instantly magically solve all these problems and figure out every detail in his fist few weeks in office even in the case of things he has no real control over... we can call him a watermelon and chicken eating black person because that is a way that we can make fun of him for being black and not solving all our economic problems at once in his first few weeks in office. Do I have that about right? As usual Curtis, you nailed it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] On the similarity of sex and surfing
Have to say that there is an incredible cascade of synaptic firing while surfing. It's sex on the level of the spermatoza; some impossibly big and absolutely crucial thing is happening, bigger than you can possibly imagine, and you're totally part of it, even the focus of it in your own little erratic trajectory and who knows where you're going but Wow! is it great, and don't ever stop whatever this thing is because it's as right as right can be. Just a thought I had on the way back from surfing yesterday. Top day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:41 PM, raunchydog wrote: Curtis, Thanks. I'll add watermelon and chicken to my politically incorrect list. By the time Obama gets out of office, I'll be a mumbling idiot devoid of vocabulary. And that would be any different from the way you post now, raunch? :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. l.shad...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hell, what happened to the 40 acres, $50 and a mule? Another one went over everybody's head. Yeah, nobody here can possibly fathom the subtlety and brilliance behind your jokes, eternal. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: Some (of rude nature) could perhaps make snide remarks about your possible, perhaps hidden, vision of your role in bearing the burden to educate blacks about their past. I am an evangelist for this dying form of music for any group who will pay me to perform. I don't have a special mission for black audiences. I just happen to end up performing for them because of the area I live in. I have never had any black person question my right to present this music out loud, but a few white people have. I think it is from missing the point about the universal emotions that were captured and getting stuck in the racial origins. Plus I never sing shtick, I sing in my own voice so it is not mistaken for parody. OTOH it is something for black people to be proud of. And it is a fact that some black people resent white performers stealing their music. It is up to me to prove my own connection to the music. But the racial history is complex on both sides. Preserving the old forms has been a racially cooperative venture. I am aware of my race in certain audiences and never preach about civil rights as I hear some performers do. I stay on my expertise, the music and its history. I can hear the inner minds of some saying WTF is this white guy telling me about what he thinks are my cultural roots and part of my identity. Most black people I perform for had a father or uncle how loved the acoustic blues so it is nostalgic music for them. We are past the era when it was considered to be rural ignorant music, a reminder of the bad old days, as it was considered in Chicago in the 40's. I start my show for all audiences by saying: So the question is how is it that you are listening to a white boy from Pennsylvania play Mississippi delta blues here in Virginia? (After the laughs subside) The reason has to do with the history of how this music traveled from the South to Chicago and then to England before it came to me as I was growing up. In the folk revival of country blues when I was a teenager I was more likely to hear the living performers of this kind of music I will play tonight in the Northeast, than if I had been born in Mississippi. I am sure lots of black don't dig the blues the way you do. That's personal taste and preference. They may dig the Irish tenors over delta blues. I am surprised to see a trend of young African Americans asking me to play country music. This is one of the most popular forms across the races for young people and actually represents a similar taste of the people when Delta blues was created. Rural white an black cultures mixed music in the Delta so the line was not so clear. Now country artists are incorporating African American beats into their music to blur the line between rock and country. You don't hear a straight two step as the dominant beat for many popular country artists today. There is one stage of world music. There is one audience. Its for all of us, all of it is all part of all of our heritages I feel that way about it too. I just have to be aware that this view is not always shared by my audience. I have seen black audiences turn on white performers here in DC and it is not something I ever what to happen at my show! In most blues societies there is a persistent reverse racism against white performers. This is reflected in most blues magazines as well. But it is not functioning at a level that effects my ability to find my own audiences that do dig what I am doing. It is a small payback considering the history! -- whether its blues, new punk, puccini, miles, robert johnson, the grateful dead, bob marley, amedeus, trotaka, aretha, gershwin, gretchen wilson, charlotte sometimes, alison krauss, muddy waters, robert plant, taylor swift, lily allen or duke ellington. We are all culturally enriched by so many variants on the thing we call music. And it belongs to none of us but all of us. Curtis, Your points are well taken. But I also feel a slight pinch on one of your points. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: I was a bit surprised that the person recounting the story is about the same color as Mr. Obama and, that he chose not to see it as an insult. Black people can make fun of black people in ironic terms of the racist past of our history. It IS different when they choose to do it. I also believe it is unwise just as I oppose the use of the N word among black people. Now I understand the context better. snip - Anyway I appreciate your dialoging on the issue here. I live in an African American dominant community, so I am always finding my own way on a daily basis with these issues. I am also often presenting African American dominate audiences with their own musical history so I
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich
Bhairitu wrote: The Me era is over and now time for the We era. So, you're looking for a 'bailout' from the 'rich'?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
I tend to forgive the house buyers who took out the loans for houses they couldn't afford, because the housing market was tremendously puffed up by the selling of the derivatives. Folks were seeing everyone all around them making money on their home equity increases, and if greed overcame their ability to set a reasonable financial plan for themselves, it is quite understandable, but the banks are the ones who pushed these thousands of homeowners-to-be to trust the equity-profit-trends even though they knew they were ballooned out of all proportion and that the prices these folks were paying for a house was ALREADY INFLATED BEYOND ALL PROPRIETY. The banks just churned the suckers. They say there's 19,000,000 VACANT houses right now on the market. When the boom began, a good portion of those houses were on the market then too -- supply was way beyond demand, but housing prices increased because the derivative market puffed them up. I think Obama is dealing with the devil and doing stuff he'd rather not do but it's a triage situation. I think he's just now getting traction and clarity about what he can reasonably expect to accomplish. I keep waiting for Obama to really test his political clout; waiting for him to support marijuana legalization, taking away tobacco and alcohol subsidies, passing disgorgement laws, increasing gas-guzzler surtaxes, etc. I want him to really have a good old fashioned tiff and hold his breath until he gets what he wants. Hold his breath means getting his true believers politically active and hounding the ass of any congress person or senator who stands in the way. I think the real test of Obama is coming with the elections of 2010 -- there is where we'll see if the residual repugs are tossed out of office for being such bastards for Obama to contend with in his first year of office. That, or Jim Bunning turns Democrat and Steward Smally finally gets declared MN's senator -- if Obama gets control of the Senate, maybe then he'll come out with far more controversial stances. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. Minor point: We're not told we must bail out imprudent/ flipping home buyers. In fact, Obama said explicitly in his NSOTU speech that this wasn't going to happen. However, it probably is going to happen, simply because it's too difficult and time-consuming to pick these people out of the group of candidates for assistance. At least some who don't deserve it may end up getting it anyway, as the price for getting it to everyone who *does* deserve it in a timely manner. If we let these complex debt instruments and credit swaps to naturally resolve themselves -- giving bad management, bad investment decisions, bad loan practices, bad judgments by home-buyers a huge -- but mostly deserving hit -- we are told we must instead bail them out and spend massively on questionable things that we will be paying back for over many decades -- or else unemployment will be at depression levels -- and all that cames from that. The thing of it is, these instruments can't resolve themselves in a vacuum. The whole problem is that they're so intimately tied to so many other aspects of the financial system--not just in the U.S. but globally--that letting them resolve themselves would bring down the entire worldwide financial structure. Unemployment has many consequences, but it would itself be the consequence of such a collapse, which would basically strangle commerce across the board. Trying to start the economy up again after it has definitively been destroyed would be vastly *more* expensive and take much longer than the approaches that have been taken and are being contemplated now. The misery that ensued in the meantime would be unimaginable. And these approaches may not work. But very, very few economists think it would be better just to let things naturally resolve themselves. That CNBC program Curtis recommended isn't called House of Cards for nothing. It's already fallen partway. If we just stand back and let it go instead of trying everything we can think of to shore it up, we'll be left with a pile of useless cards and no house at all, for any of us. Who deserves to be bailed out and who doesn't is fundamentally irrelevant, because if those who don't are allowed to fall, they'll bring the rest of us-- around the world--down with them. Being furiously angry at these people is entirely reasonable and fully justified. What's not reasonable is to let that anger get in the way of saving *ourselves*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:07 PM, grate.swan wrote: Anyway I appreciate your dialoging on the issue here. I live in an African American dominant community, so I am always finding my own way on a daily basis with these issues. I am also often presenting African American dominate audiences with their own musical history so I have some Irish genes but I don't consider Irish music my own musical history. I don't feel culturally enhanced or having better understanding of myself if I hear the Irish Tenors (I think more, WTF am I doing in this audience with all these old people.) Some (of rude nature) could perhaps make snide remarks about your possible, perhaps hidden, vision of your role in bearing the burden to educate blacks about their past. I can hear the inner minds of some saying WTF is this white guy telling me about what he thinks are my cultural roots and part of my identity. I am sure lots of black don't dig the blues the way you do. That's personal taste and preference. They may dig the Irish tenors over delta blues. There is one stage of world music. There is one audience. Its for all of us, all of it is all part of all of our heritages -- whether its blues, new punk, puccini, miles, robert johnson, the grateful dead, bob marley, amedeus, trotaka, aretha, gershwin, gretchen wilson, charlotte sometimes, alison krauss, muddy waters, robert plant, taylor swift, lily allen or duke ellington. We are all culturally enriched by so many variants on the thing we call music. And it belongs to none of us but all of us. Unfortunately many African-Americans don't see it that way. I remember seeing a segment on TV where Paul Simon went into some college or HS in NYC and was sharing his recent hybrid music on his album The Rhythm of the Saints, which featured much inspiration from African music and included a number of African musicians. A contingent of blacks showed up and raised holy hell at his presentation, claiming that whites had been stealing black music from blacks for a long, long time, and that this was just another example. It didn't matter how Simon tried to explain it, their 'tude was it was cultural robbery. yeah, well just let them try to rip my bob markey, muddy waters, aretha, lightenin hopkins, robert johnson, miles davis albulms from my clutching fists! :) Unfortunately many African-Americans don't see it that way. Many is not supported by one concert example. However, some groups have ripped off other groups. The 50's an early 60' rock'n'roll WAS essentially white folk singing black written and performed songs but in wonder bread clothes and mindsets. The white guys got rich and the black artists got shafted. I can relate to some groups being a bit edgy about other groups screwing them over. But in 2009, Beyonce, Rhianna, Kanye West, Alicia Keyes, Maria Carey, T.I. and countless others with black heritage are at the top of the music industry. Hard to make the claim that whites are ripping off their cultural heritage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Richshould b called the successful
In a message dated 3/1/2009 1:44:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, willy...@yahoo.com writes: Bhairitu wrote: The Me era is over and now time for the We era. So, you're looking for a 'bailout' from the 'rich'? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bridled Sexuality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: BillyG wrote: You can only spit in the wind for so long before some of it gets on you! TurquoiseB wrote: Billy, The fact that if you seem to think that sex involves spitting explains much about your fearful stance regarding it. Turq, just make sure you use a condom when you do your thrusting, that's all Billy is saying. Do they need any more of your bastards over in Spain? I think not. Report your condition to the free clinic right away! Ha, ha..they don't make condoms that small! :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:16 AM, do.rflex wrote: The small, impotent dead-ender group of loser fringe Hillarizoids have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh and the remnants of the loony fringe conservatives: Rush Limbaugh At CPAC: Doubles Down On Wanting Obama To Fail (VIDEO) I often wonder if some of these looney tunes realize just how crazed they come across...or even if they care anymore. Maybe they're beyond that at this point. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan
i agree that some form of debt forgiveness is going to have to happen, and that it is a necessity when bubbles of this magnitude occur. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: you are only telling half the story-- yes, Bush was all about unlimited deregulation, which allowed wall street investment banks to finance the mortgage industry, which caused the housing bubble, which has now popped. however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no choice but to shore up the banks. One of the more interesting concepts that Michael Hudson introduces is debt forgiveness used in antiquity to restore economic balance in society. Youtube: Michael Hudson interview with Renegade Economist http://tinyurl.com/an379e Every complex society has a dilemma to solvewealth and power tend to concentrate until the divide between haves and have-nots threaten the social fabric. Some Native American cultures have massive give-aways (potlatches) in which the giver is honored and all benefit from the largesse. The prophets of the Old Testament also cried out for redistribution. Michael Hudson Article: It Shall Be a Jubilee Unto You http://tinyurl.com/crrag8 Michael Hudson Article: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan http://tinyurl.com/dync4n Youtube: Michael Hudson interview with Amy Goodman http://tinyurl.com/cyxzap
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: I tend to forgive the house buyers who took out the loans for houses they couldn't afford, because the housing market was tremendously puffed up by the selling of the derivatives. Say what? Do you care to explain your understanding of how that occurred. And how (by implication I get from your statement), that derivatives were the primary force raising housing prices? And please define your understanding of derivatives. Folks were seeing everyone all around them making money on their home equity increases, and if greed overcame their ability to set a reasonable financial plan for themselves, it is quite understandable, but the banks are the ones who pushed these thousands of homeowners-to-be to trust the equity-profit-trends even though they knew they were ballooned out of all proportion and that the prices these folks were paying for a house was ALREADY INFLATED BEYOND ALL PROPRIETY. The banks just churned the suckers. I am totally there brother. in 1996-98 I saw all them smart-assed techno types investing in Amazon and fiber optic switch companies and making 1000's every day -- and partying it up -- and I said, Yeah, why not me!? I deserve that. Why can't I get me some of that. So I invested near the top of the bubble. And those damn, greedy, brokers just took my money. They didn't do the right and moral thing and say -- hey you know this stock could go down, way down. or even You know some people feel this stock is over priced. And of course even if they did, I would have yelled back, in supreme indignation Yeah, you just DONT GET IT! This is a new era. Stock prices have finally been decoupled from earnings -- Its the INTERNET AGE you fucking moron!. Well, I lost a lot. But now finally I meet someone like you who TOTALLY gets it. It WASN'T my fault! I wasn't stupid or greedy. It was them damn brokers, and techno kids, and all them other fucheads who were making money when I was not. I am SOO GLAD you get it. So my questions is, how soon will the check you need to cut me to cover my losses be delivered? They say there's 19,000,000 VACANT houses right now on the market. When the boom began, a good portion of those houses were on the market then too -- supply was way beyond demand, but housing prices increased because the derivative market puffed them up. Say what! Can you go through that chain of logic and relations ships -- slowly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan
yes-- Canada is the same way-- no banking problems because no subprime mortgage lending market. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 40 acres, $50 and a mule l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:04 AM, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no choice but to shore up the banks. Indeed North Dakota is booming. The people there are quite financially conservative. The largest bank in the state expects to have the usual 3 foreclosures they get annually.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Richshould b called the successful
There's plenty of successful people who are not rich. wle...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/1/2009 1:44:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, willy...@yahoo.com writes: Bhairitu wrote: The Me era is over and now time for the We era. So, you're looking for a 'bailout' from the 'rich'?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Hell, what happened to the 40 acres, $50 and a mule? Another one went over everybody's head. Yeah, nobody here can possibly fathom the subtlety and brilliance behind your jokes, eternal. Sal A few people with some knowledge of history could put the remark into context. It was quite a while back as it would be hard for anyone here to imagine farming 40 acres with one mule or, seeing the gift as a blessing. The present bailout seems somewhat more extravagant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: i agree that some form of debt forgiveness is going to have to happen, and that it is a necessity when bubbles of this magnitude occur. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: you are only telling half the story-- yes, Bush was all about unlimited deregulation, which allowed wall street investment banks to finance the mortgage industry, which caused the housing bubble, which has now popped. however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no choice but to shore up the banks. One of the more interesting concepts that Michael Hudson introduces is debt forgiveness used in antiquity to restore economic balance in society. Can you elaborate on whose debts should be forgiven, and whose should not? or is it simply ALL debt -- everywhere. 1) Should ALL mortgage debts be forgiven? Or just those on the verge of foreclosure? An should it be the whole mortgage -- as in Congrats you now own this fine home free and clear. 2) Are we forgiving all credit card debt? All student loan debt (whats the scream coming from NO?). If not all but some of credit card and student loan debt, how much and for whom? (mine and yours naturally -- but who else?) 3) All corporate debt? or just some of it. And if you forgive mortgage debt, why not corporate debt. 100,000's of businesses are about to close their doors because they have too much debt. 4) All Gov't debt/ I mean why not stiff those chinese for 5 trillion in US debt they hold -- I mean like they caused this whole problem in the first place by having the gaul to actually loan us money n the first place? 5) Debts to bookies, loan sharks, and local cat houses? That would be so Awesome. I mean what they promised didn't actually come true (so I have heard) -- so why should people pay those debts, right?! Now the cost side. 1) who is going to pay for all this written of debt? The gov't? How are they going to pay for it? Issue more debt you say. Wow -- brilliant and we can forgive that debt TOO. So Awesome. Its like there actually IS a free lunch. Why didn't someone explain it this clearly earlier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: yes-- Canada is the same way-- no banking problems because no subprime mortgage lending market. And India -- from several article on this. Indian bankers are laughing at us. You did what!!??? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 40 acres, $50 and a mule L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:04 AM, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no choice but to shore up the banks. Indeed North Dakota is booming. The people there are quite financially conservative. The largest bank in the state expects to have the usual 3 foreclosures they get annually.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. l.shaddai@ wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Hell, what happened to the 40 acres, $50 and a mule? Another one went over everybody's head. Yeah, nobody here can possibly fathom the subtlety and brilliance behind your jokes, eternal. Sal A few people with some knowledge of history could put the remark into context. It was quite a while back as it would be hard for anyone here to imagine farming 40 acres with one mule or, seeing the gift as a blessing. The present bailout seems somewhat more extravagant. The present bailout in contrast to that proposed (some dare even say promised) 1865 bailout, right? Well, I for one am sooo glad we didn't fall for that bailout back then. All those unemployed blacks -- most every black person in the south unemployed in 1865. The nerve of them. Obviously they goofed off in school and were lazy and deserved to be unemployed. In america, we only reward hard work -- and clearly all those southern blacks in 1865 had never done a decent days work in their lives. So I am 100% behind you Nelson. Why bail them out? I mean they came to America looking for the American dream, they goofed off for 200 years, and now they WANT US to bail them out? No sirree. We a aren't a gunna do it. It wouldn't be prudent. (Besides we only bail out our own kind so its a moot point).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
Grate Swan, Cool down there, bro, I was only expressing an opinion -- me, a guy who has no economic degree and has read but a few articles. I can get educate myself about derivatives and see if I misunderstood my previous readings, but can you educate yourself out of that high-hatting haughty attitude as easily? That attitude has my emotions saying, fuck Swanny if he's going to be such a shitheel about punishing me for my daring to have an opinion without a scholarly background. You're killing the conversation with a dark vibe. That said, I like so many of your posts, that I'm choking back my words for the sake of future goodwill, so work with me here. As for the points you make, I get the satire, believe me, but caveat empor only goes so far in mitigating the sins of the financial industry. Are you a Ron Paul supporter who would abandon so many institutions and laws overnight and then hope that the ensuring melee would eventually sort itself out? There's some very very smart folks marauding some not-so-smart folks, and the proof that caveat empor is not the only proviso that can be relied upon is that the housing collapse happened. Why? Because the bankers were NOT TELLING ANYONE ABOUT CAVEAT EMPOR and instead marauding the masses when the masses suddenly thought they had a quick way to get a nice house and eventually sell it for a profit that was far beyond what other investment vehicles could promise. The bankers knew or should have known and I've read that they did know about this bubble-about-to-burst up to five years before the burst came, but during all those years they were arranged for mortgage after mortgage with folks who had no wherewithal to speak of. It's one thing to just say let them all die, it's another to see that ordinary folks are not able to invest safely without regulations limiting the hype of investment bankers. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I tend to forgive the house buyers who took out the loans for houses they couldn't afford, because the housing market was tremendously puffed up by the selling of the derivatives. Say what? Do you care to explain your understanding of how that occurred. And how (by implication I get from your statement), that derivatives were the primary force raising housing prices? And please define your understanding of derivatives. Folks were seeing everyone all around them making money on their home equity increases, and if greed overcame their ability to set a reasonable financial plan for themselves, it is quite understandable, but the banks are the ones who pushed these thousands of homeowners-to-be to trust the equity-profit-trends even though they knew they were ballooned out of all proportion and that the prices these folks were paying for a house was ALREADY INFLATED BEYOND ALL PROPRIETY. The banks just churned the suckers. I am totally there brother. in 1996-98 I saw all them smart-assed techno types investing in Amazon and fiber optic switch companies and making 1000's every day -- and partying it up -- and I said, Yeah, why not me!? I deserve that. Why can't I get me some of that. So I invested near the top of the bubble. And those damn, greedy, brokers just took my money. They didn't do the right and moral thing and say -- hey you know this stock could go down, way down. or even You know some people feel this stock is over priced. And of course even if they did, I would have yelled back, in supreme indignation Yeah, you just DONT GET IT! This is a new era. Stock prices have finally been decoupled from earnings -- Its the INTERNET AGE you fucking moron!. Well, I lost a lot. But now finally I meet someone like you who TOTALLY gets it. It WASN'T my fault! I wasn't stupid or greedy. It was them damn brokers, and techno kids, and all them other fucheads who were making money when I was not. I am SOO GLAD you get it. So my questions is, how soon will the check you need to cut me to cover my losses be delivered? They say there's 19,000,000 VACANT houses right now on the market. When the boom began, a good portion of those houses were on the market then too -- supply was way beyond demand, but housing prices increased because the derivative market puffed them up. Say what! Can you go through that chain of logic and relations ships -- slowly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. l.shaddai@ wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Hell, what happened to the 40 acres, $50 and a mule? Another one went over everybody's head. Yeah, nobody here can possibly fathom the subtlety and brilliance behind your jokes, eternal. Sal A few people with some knowledge of history could put the remark into context. It was quite a while back as it would be hard for anyone here to imagine farming 40 acres with one mule or, seeing the gift as a blessing. The present bailout seems somewhat more extravagant. The present bailout in contrast to that proposed (some dare even say promised) 1865 bailout, right? Well, I for one am sooo glad we didn't fall for that bailout back then. All those unemployed blacks -- most every black person in the south unemployed in 1865. The nerve of them. Obviously they goofed off in school and were lazy and deserved to be unemployed. In america, we only reward hard work -- and clearly all those southern blacks in 1865 had never done a decent days work in their lives. So I am 100% behind you Nelson. Why bail them out? I mean they came to America looking for the American dream, they goofed off for 200 years, and now they WANT US to bail them out? No sirree. We a aren't a gunna do it. It wouldn't be prudent. (Besides we only bail out our own kind so its a moot point). I seem to have gotten the point mixed up (again). Just meant some people could remember their history and, could place or appreciate the earlier comment. I guess your recall is better than mine as I didn't know the issue in such detail- thank you. The present bailout however looks like they will throw good money after bad in bailing out institutions that should fail and, when it fails anyway, the wealth will end taken from the taxpayers and end up going into the same black hole.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:48 PM, grate.swan wrote: Unfortunately many African-Americans don't see it that way. Many is not supported by one concert example. However, some groups have ripped off other groups. The 50's an early 60' rock'n'roll WAS essentially white folk singing black written and performed songs but in wonder bread clothes and mindsets. The white guys got rich and the black artists got shafted. I can relate to some groups being a bit edgy about other groups screwing them over. But in 2009, Beyonce, Rhianna, Kanye West, Alicia Keyes, Maria Carey, T.I. and countless others with black heritage are at the top of the music industry. Hard to make the claim that whites are ripping off their cultural heritage. You must've missed Eric Clapton's Robert Johnson tribute. Probably the most horrendous example of a famous white person trying to play the black man's blues I've ever heard. I literally gave the CD away. And I'm a huge Clapton fan. He's now been downgraded to demigod. I can see and appreciate why many of my black friends, if you really get them to tell it, why they abhor white blues or white jazz--esp. white folks attempting to play the music of black musicians. Is it racism or is it a finer level of musical appreciation? All I can say is, I notice the difference, and few (for me) make the cut. It's hard to play something culturally so different and still sound sincere unless there's some deep heart connection or there's some shared life- experience. It would be interesting to know the stats on it though from a black perspective.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Leap! movie trailer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard M Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Leap! movie trailer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GBhl=en-GBv=slbmE64myAM hl=en-GBv=slbmE64myAM hl=en-GBv=slbmE64myAM I see Pete Russell (he of The TM Technique book) is a guide: http://www.leapmovie.com/peter-russell/ Here he is (1 of 4): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgONKKcFQUw So is Amber Terrell, who used to live in Fairfield.
RE: [FairfieldLife] THE NEWBIE QUESTION LIST
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] THE NEWBIE QUESTION LIST If you're new here, tell us about yourself, and then post this with a new title that includes your name: THE NEWBIE QUESTION LIST: your name here 1. In which religion were you raised? Congregational (Protestant), although it didn't mean anything to me. My mother dragged me to church. 2. In which other religious movements have you been a true believer? List them in chronological order. TM, Amma, if you count those as religious movements. 3. Do you believe in reincarnation? Yes. 4. Do you believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, God Who is running the universe down to the least aspect? Yes, although the term running is debatable. I believe everything is pervaded by intelligence, and if you look closely enough, everything seems to be operating according to laws or principles that only an infinite intelligence could construct and maintain. 5. How do you define soul? Soul - universal consciousness. soul - individual entity that reincarnates from body to body in order to learn lessons and make spiritual progress. 6. How do you define enlightenment? Realization of universal consciousness by embodied soul. 7. Nature or nurture? Both. 8. List the gurus in who's physical presence you've been. Maharishi, Karunamayi, Amma, Mother Meera. 9. What country do you live in now? U.S. 10. How many children have you parented? None. 11. How many times married? Once. 12. Years spent in the TMO? 1968-2001 13. Years spent living in Fairfield, Iowa? 1987 to present, plus in and out before that. 14. Vegetarian? What rules? Eggs, fish, dairy, chicken allowed as exceptions? Was lacto for many years. Now chicken and fish. 15. Do you watch entertainment that portrays raw and graphic violence? Sometimes. 16. Can drugs be spiritually useful to the ordinary person on the street such that regular use could be supported? May be. That should be their choice. If alcohol is going to be legal, then pot should be. 17. In which places of the world have you lived a year or more? US (CT, IA, NY), Switzerland 18. On a 1 - 10 scale, rate how much of your spiritual journey you've accomplished so far. 10 would be all the way. Hard to say, because I don't know where it ends. 19. How much time do you spend per day in formal spiritual practices that are not common-everyday human activities? About 2 1/2 hours. 20. List the recreational activities, hobbies, passions that get more than 10 hours per week of your time. Walking and other forms of exercise such as skiing, swimming, biking according to the season. Regular use of Bowflex machine. 21. What do you expect to get out of posting here at FairfieldLife? To become rich and famous.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Grate Swan, Cool down there, bro, I figured if anyone could understand some enthusiasm fueling their posts, it would be you. :) I find it is often more productive to ask someone their reasons for thinking so, rather than letting first impulses fly and say that's a horrendously stupid idea or most unproductively you are a horrendously stupid person for thinking that tho from some posts here, I gather many have a different view. If my questions on derivatives were packing a bit too much enthusiasm, I apologize. In rereading my derivatives question, it could have been phrased more quaintly. However, if you were to voice an opinion that disco was far better than blues, I might respond in similar fashion. Not as an attack, but more sort of friends pushing back in casual and sometimes raucous ways when they feel a friend has gone off the deep end a bit. Which can be funny, in a herd sort of way, to watch a friend stutter and dangle in trying to explain something that does not hold up well in the light of day. But I feel its better for them to conclude that than telling them directly that their idea sucks. Thus my questions. And I ask questions because I know I may have missed somethings. Derivatives became part of the overall huge mess we find ourselves in, but I do not see that they were the primary driver of higher home prices. If I am missing something, I welcome you to point it out. Per my satire part -- its to the point of where do you draw the line. Can we right all crappy actions everyone has ever made? Auto salesmen every day sell people more car than they can reasonable afford -- with tall tales and vivid images -- but I don't hear many saying we ought to bail out car buyers who bought too much car -- because they believed a smooth talking salesman. Your post sounded like these loan brokers pulled people out of their houses, force them to sign loan docs, and forced these poor innocent people to buy and move into bigger houses against their will. I don't exactly concur. Per the auto salesmen example above, but it holds for furniture stereo, TV, jewelery, clothing and sales persons of all manner of other things. And I have even been told that some men exaggerate the truth to get in bed with women. And strippers promise total fulfillment to get guys to buy a dance. No experience on either front -- but that's what I have heard. And the most outrageous case -- I have heard teachers tell their students all they had to do was meditate and their problems would vanish and they would be cosmic in a few years. So should we protect all people who bought it when presented a bit stretched truth? Were loan brokers really worse than the norm -- in substantive numbers? Do buyers really have no responsibility for their decisions? Where do you draw the line? Per my satire, if you want to go help all of the over-sold, over-buying people in the world, with your own money, as charity, you are a blessed soul. I encourage your efforts. However, if you want to do the same with other s people's money, including my modest sums, I ask you to kindly reconsider. I have laid out how I feel comfortable having my tax dollars spent to solve the mess -- I am not comfortable with yours. I was only expressing an opinion -- me, a guy who has no economic degree and has read but a few articles. I can get educate myself about derivatives and see if I misunderstood my previous readings, but can you educate yourself out of that high-hatting haughty attitude as easily? That attitude has my emotions saying, fuck Swanny if he's going to be such a shitheel about punishing me for my daring to have an opinion without a scholarly background. You're killing the conversation with a dark vibe. That said, I like so many of your posts, that I'm choking back my words for the sake of future goodwill, so work with me here. As for the points you make, I get the satire, believe me, but caveat empor only goes so far in mitigating the sins of the financial industry. Are you a Ron Paul supporter who would abandon so many institutions and laws overnight and then hope that the ensuring melee would eventually sort itself out? There's some very very smart folks marauding some not-so-smart folks, and the proof that caveat empor is not the only proviso that can be relied upon is that the housing collapse happened. Why? Because the bankers were NOT TELLING ANYONE ABOUT CAVEAT EMPOR and instead marauding the masses when the masses suddenly thought they had a quick way to get a nice house and eventually sell it for a profit that was far beyond what other investment vehicles could promise. The bankers knew or should have known and I've read that they did know about this bubble-about-to-burst up to five years before the burst came, but during all those years they were arranged for mortgage after mortgage with folks who had no
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:16 AM, do.rflex wrote: The small, impotent dead-ender group of loser fringe Hillarizoids have a lot in common with Rush Limbaugh and the remnants of the loony fringe conservatives: Rush Limbaugh At CPAC: Doubles Down On Wanting Obama To Fail (VIDEO) I often wonder if some of these looney tunes realize just how crazed they come across...or even if they care anymore. Maybe they're beyond that at this point. Sal and do.rflex, for example, haven't cared in a long while. They can't tell the difference between loser fringe Hillarizoids, right-wingers who desperately want Obama to fail, and people on the left who desperately want him to *succeed* but have some legitimate questions about what he's doing. And they don't *want* to tell the difference. They want to lump all those who don't unconditionally support everything Obama does into one big pile and dismiss them as loons so they don't ever have to confront the fact that Obama isn't perfect (even though he himself has said he isn't perfect over and over again). Can't get much more crazed than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. Minor point: We're not told we must bail out imprudent/ flipping home buyers. In fact, Obama said explicitly in his NSOTU speech that this wasn't going to happen. That what he said. The proposals don't seem consistent with that. Yes, as I went on to say: However, it probably is going to happen, simply because it's too difficult and time-consuming to pick these people out of the group of candidates for assistance. At least some who don't deserve it may end up getting it anyway, as the price for getting it to everyone who *does* deserve it in a timely manner. Propping up artificial home price swill NEVER be a long term solution. That isn't the reason for helping homeowners facing foreclosure, though. Mass foreclosures are bad for the economy no matter what home prices are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I tend to forgive the house buyers who took out the loans for houses they couldn't afford, because the housing market was tremendously puffed up by the selling of the derivatives. Say what? Do you care to explain your understanding of how that occurred. And how (by implication I get from your statement), that derivatives were the primary force raising housing prices? And please define your understanding of derivatives. As I understand it, the market on Wall Street for mortgage-backed derivatives became insatiable because they were so profitable, which prompted mortgage lenders to write as many mortgages as they possibly could to fulfill the demand for the derivatives. They couldn't do that if they stuck to borrowers who could afford their mortgages, so they went after those who couldn't and convinced them they could. The more people taking out mortgages and buying homes, the more it became a sellers' market, driving up prices. And the more prices went up, the more folks thought they'd be able to refinance or sell their homes for a profit after a year or two, so it was perfectly safe to start out with a mortgage they couldn't afford (if they even realized they couldn't afford it). A vicious circle, in other words, otherwise known as a bubble.
[FairfieldLife] Struggling states looking for taxes anywhere including Marijuana
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/us/01sin.html?_r=1hp As the saying amongst politicians goes, never waste a perfectly good crisis. Hawaiian legislators were also considering capitalizing on another potential shift in public attitudes when they proposed legalizing same-sex unions, which supporters say could help the slumping tourism trade. By JESSE McKINLEY Published: February 28, 2009 In his 11 years in the Washington Legislature, Representative Mark Miloscia says he has supported all manner of methods to fill the state’s coffers, including increasing fees on property owners to help the homeless and taxes on alcohol and cigarettes, most of which, he said, passed “without a peep.” And so it was last month that Mr. Miloscia, a Democrat, decided he might try to “find a new tax source” — pornography. The response, however, was a turn-off. “People came down on me like a ton of bricks,” said Mr. Miloscia, who proposed an 18.5 percent sales tax on items like sex toys and adult magazines. “I didn’t quite understand. Apparently porn is right up there with Mom and apple pie.” Mr. Miloscia’s proposal died at the committee level, but he is far from the only legislator floating unorthodox ideas as more than two-thirds of the states face budget shortfalls. “The most common phrase you hear from the states is, ‘Everything is on the table,’ ” said Arturo Perez, a fiscal analyst with National Conference of State Legislatures, who predicted the worst financial year for states since the end of World War II. Nowhere is that more true than California, where Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, a freshman from San Francisco, made a proposal intended to increase revenue, and, no doubt, appetite: legalizing and taxing marijuana, a major — if technically illegal — crop in the state. “We’re all jonesing now for money,” Mr. Ammiano said. “And there’s this enormous industry out there.” In Nevada, State Senator Bob Coffin said he would introduce legislation to tax the state’s legal brothels, a fee that would be “based on the amount of activities.” And unlike the Washington porn proposal, which drew the ire of the adult entertainment industry, Mr. Coffin’s plan has the backing of the potential taxpayers, in this case brothel owners who employ women as independent contractors. “I think they figure if they become part of the tax stream, the less vulnerable they will be to some shift in mores,” he said. Hawaiian legislators were also considering capitalizing on another potential shift in public attitudes when they proposed legalizing same-sex unions, which supporters say could help the slumping tourism trade. In Massachusetts, meanwhile, state legislators have introduced a proposal to build two resort-style casinos, including one in Boston. A similar push died last year in the State House of Representatives. But Representative Martin J. Walsh, a Dorchester Democrat and co-author of the new casino bill, said a $2 billion budget deficit might have changed some minds. “Every state in the nation, including Massachusetts, needs to figure out a way of raising revenues,” Mr. Walsh said. “So we need to be creative.” Scott Pattison, executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers, said many lawmakers were loath to tap more traditional tax sources during a downturn. “What’s pushing it is this incredible desire to raise revenue,” Mr. Pattison said. “But it’s coupled with the desire not to raise the general and sales and income taxes.” Whether such proposals can pass is another issue, though each idea has its supporters. Betty Yee, chairwoman of the California Board of Equalization, the state’s tax collector, said that legal marijuana could raise nearly $1 billion per year via a $50-per-ounce fee charged to retailers. An additional $400 million could be raised through sales tax on marijuana sold to buyers. The law would also establish a smoking age — 21 — effectively putting marijuana in a similar regulatory class as alcohol or tobacco. Marijuana advocates argue that legalization could also decrease pressure on the state’s overburdened prison system and law enforcement officers. All of which, Ms. Yee said, at least makes the proposal worth talking about in a state with chronic budget problems and a law already on the books allowing the medical use of the drug. “We know the product is out there, and we know marijuana is available to young people as well, but there’s no regulatory structure in place,” Ms. Yee said. “I think it’s an opportunity to begin the debate.” Such a debate, of course, does not always favor tax innovators. Several law enforcement groups have already objected to the idea of legal marijuana, which would conflict with federal law. John Lovell, a lobbyist for several groups of California law enforcement officials, said the plan would create a large, illicit — and thus untaxed — black market, in addition to magnifying substance abuse problems. “The last thing we need is yet another legal substance
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: As I understand it, the market on Wall Street for mortgage-backed derivatives became insatiable because they were so profitable, which prompted mortgage lenders to write as many mortgages as they possibly could to fulfill the demand for the derivatives. They couldn't do that if they stuck to borrowers who could afford their mortgages, so they went after those who couldn't and convinced them they could. The more people taking out mortgages and buying homes, the more it became a sellers' market, driving up prices. And the more prices went up, the more folks thought they'd be able to refinance or sell their homes for a profit after a year or two, so it was perfectly safe to start out with a mortgage they couldn't afford (if they even realized they couldn't afford it). A vicious circle, in other words, otherwise known as a bubble. And before you grieve too much when you hear that a former mortgage writer is unemployed and is having a problem finding work, think about the former hamburger flipping early 20 somethings who manned the phones stepping people through the mortgage forms. They averaged $2,000 a week in income. I remember Dell's billboard pleas to hamburger flippers (called them by that name) to come to work assembling for Dell during the dotcom boom. Obama is trying his darndest to avoid bailing out those who clearly bought homes they couldn't afford or bought on speculation (nothing in his draft preamble to a budget he submitted), eventually we're going to have to bail those people out as well because too much wealth is being lost for the US to survive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
A few more points that you raised: caveat emptor and Ron Paul. I don't know much about Ron Paul. i found some of his views weak, imo, and did not pay much attention after that. I am not a libertarian if that is your question. Few libertarians would be suggesting a 1-3 trillion of GI Loan type college and training grants as the most effective way to stimulate the economy, keep people of the streets and increasing incomes (which will then allow people to afford pricier homes). And I believe the whole financial regulatory mess needs to be deeply revamped. AIG is at the center of this mess, in my view, (and just a small London branch office at that) and their issuance of trillions of dollars for credit-swaps (which guaranteed and protected buyers of housing derivatives from losses)under the umbrella of their AAA rating -- with absolutely no capital reserves to support the swaps. That is unconscionable, and the regulatory system ignored it. That is unethical for both AIG the regulators -- and borders on criminality. As a result, much stronger regulation in the outer realms of the banking and financial arenas i required.. Hardly a Ron Paul or libertarian view I would guess. As far as letting things just fall apart -- that's not what I said. My key point is we will continue to have large problems as long as housing prices are way out of whack with incomes (median prices / median incomes) -- that is the affordability of the housing. Renegotiating loans to make mortgages in line with real housing values (regional prices need to be supported by regional incomes) is a positive thing, in my view. Subsidizing mortgages which are for way-over priced homes is a negative thing in my view. As are preventing foreclosures. Get the price in synch with incomes then we can move on. The 1-3 trillion investment in education and training grants to the unemployed is my proposal to keep things from falling apart while prices normalize. Regarding Caveat Emptor -- few people or parties pitch a clear, well-rounded, take-me-to-where-the-truth-lies message. Salesmen, politicians, lawyers, recruiters (college, job and army), people in dating situations, all advertising, promotions for restaurants, films, music and all -- none of those pitching their stuff to you to make you decide things in their preferred way (vote for them, acquit their client, buy their car, go to their concert, see their film, sleep with them, buy their house, borrow their money, read their book, invest in their securities -- none of these parties are your rabbi, your boy scout leader, your trusted advisor or your guru. They all will give your their best shot at THEIR case -- the virtues of their thing. They are not there to give you a well rounded picture of all options, nor the down side of their product / service / activity. Its assumd that you will balance things out, do your own research, and not make decisions based solely on the pitch of someone making to you. Marek seems like a bright soul -- and doing good work. And this is a question -- I assume Marek that you don't end your concise and compelling closing argument in favor of your clients innocence and then say -- but hey, you should ALSO know that this guy has all this other stuff going against him, he's a pretty rotten fellow, he has lied repeatedly and I get ancy just talking to him Look at politics. Do you often see in debates a pol making a strong case for their position and then say -- but you know I really like the other guy's idea too. It is better than mine is so many ways. In most all cases, people make a compelling case for their side of things. They are not presenting you with Truth, a total picture or a complete view. So yes, Caveat Emptor. The lesson is -- don't be rube just fallen off the turnip truck. Look at all sides. make your own decisions. Question people and their motives. Take responsibility for your actions. If we want to encourage the opposite -- well then I suppose bail everyone out, close out all debt and tell people they were victims. That will surely get the economy, creativity and entrepeneurship rolling again fast. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Grate Swan, Cool down there, bro, I figured if anyone could understand some enthusiasm fueling their posts, it would be you. :) I find it is often more productive to ask someone their reasons for thinking so, rather than letting first impulses fly and say that's a horrendously stupid idea or most unproductively you are a horrendously stupid person for thinking that tho from some posts here, I gather many have a different view. If my questions on derivatives were packing a bit too much enthusiasm, I apologize. In rereading my derivatives question, it could have been phrased more quaintly. However, if you were to voice an opinion that disco was far better than blues, I might
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: The main reason we are told that we need to bailout the banks is that the economy will tank (more) and unemployment will skyrocket. We are told we must spend trillions to bail out companies, management, investors and imprudent / flipping home buyers. Minor point: We're not told we must bail out imprudent/ flipping home buyers. In fact, Obama said explicitly in his NSOTU speech that this wasn't going to happen. That what he said. The proposals don't seem consistent with that. Yes, as I went on to say: However, it probably is going to happen, simply because it's too difficult and time-consuming to pick these people out of the group of candidates for assistance. At least some who don't deserve it may end up getting it anyway, as the price for getting it to everyone who *does* deserve it in a timely manner. Propping up artificial home price swill NEVER be a long term solution. That isn't the reason for helping homeowners facing foreclosure, though. Mass foreclosures are bad for the economy no matter what home prices are. I am missing your reasoning on foreclosures. In my view, housing prices need to reach something along the lines of pre-bubble levels -- or more precisely consistent with affordability -- around 30% max of peoples income for housing (standard lending requirements). Until housing prices normalize in this way, we will continue to have large housing problems. Home foreclosures are not pretty. Nor are car repos. But I can't see stopping car repos. If there is a way to get prices down to levels consistent with area incomes, without foreclosures then I am all for it. However, foreclosures are a quick means of getting prices in line with affordability indexes. If you want to eliminate foreclosures while have other mechanisms to get housing prices to sound levels, then I am all ears. A question: why are foreclosures inherently bad for the economy? Or are you making the distinction that MASS foreclosures are bad, but a reasonable amount is OK? I can see that if 10% of a city's (primary residence) homes were foreclosed every month it could create quite some social chaos that would dampen the economy. However, i) I don't see tht level of mass foreclosures, ii) I don't yet see why normal foreclosure processes are inherently bad for the economy. It gets unrealistic, unpayable debt off the books, it moves people who cannot afford their homes into more affordable housing. It makes homes far more affordable to those locked out of the market. All good things in my view.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan
i should have been clearer-- what i meant was that there is no way all of the debt to be paid is ever going to be, so therefore it will have to be written off, which isn't exactly the same as forgiveness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: i agree that some form of debt forgiveness is going to have to happen, and that it is a necessity when bubbles of this magnitude occur. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: you are only telling half the story-- yes, Bush was all about unlimited deregulation, which allowed wall street investment banks to finance the mortgage industry, which caused the housing bubble, which has now popped. however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no choice but to shore up the banks. One of the more interesting concepts that Michael Hudson introduces is debt forgiveness used in antiquity to restore economic balance in society. Can you elaborate on whose debts should be forgiven, and whose should not? or is it simply ALL debt -- everywhere. 1) Should ALL mortgage debts be forgiven? Or just those on the verge of foreclosure? An should it be the whole mortgage -- as in Congrats you now own this fine home free and clear. 2) Are we forgiving all credit card debt? All student loan debt (whats the scream coming from NO?). If not all but some of credit card and student loan debt, how much and for whom? (mine and yours naturally -- but who else?) 3) All corporate debt? or just some of it. And if you forgive mortgage debt, why not corporate debt. 100,000's of businesses are about to close their doors because they have too much debt. 4) All Gov't debt/ I mean why not stiff those chinese for 5 trillion in US debt they hold -- I mean like they caused this whole problem in the first place by having the gaul to actually loan us money n the first place? 5) Debts to bookies, loan sharks, and local cat houses? That would be so Awesome. I mean what they promised didn't actually come true (so I have heard) -- so why should people pay those debts, right?! Now the cost side. 1) who is going to pay for all this written of debt? The gov't? How are they going to pay for it? Issue more debt you say. Wow -- brilliant and we can forgive that debt TOO. So Awesome. Its like there actually IS a free lunch. Why didn't someone explain it this clearly earlier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I tend to forgive the house buyers who took out the loans for houses they couldn't afford, because the housing market was tremendously puffed up by the selling of the derivatives. Say what? Do you care to explain your understanding of how that occurred. And how (by implication I get from your statement), that derivatives were the primary force raising housing prices? And please define your understanding of derivatives. As I understand it, the market on Wall Street for mortgage-backed derivatives became insatiable because they were so profitable, which prompted mortgage lenders to write as many mortgages as they possibly could to fulfill the demand for the derivatives. There are two main problems with MBS derivatives in the housing bubble as I see it. First, they took the responsibility for making good sound loans from community lenders who knew their housing markets and borrowers to international financial markets. In concept, an in the early days of such, it worked out well. it was more efficient and the national / international market for MBS opened up more financing for homes in some areas who previous were constrained by local funds. That doesn't create a bubble or even a rise in home prices. It improves liquidity in the market -- people can buy and sell easier. But they don't set housing prices. The premise of the MBS derivatives was that modern financial theory had the tools to accurately price these derivatives -- grand son of Black and Scholes and all. So the passing of local scrutiny on housing values to more abstract evaluation of derivative value would have been ok. The problem was, modern financial theory was not up to doing what it claimed. It could not accurately value the MBS derivatives and the got cut into many tranches and flavors. Essentially the problem of the Black Swan i posted about some weeks ago -- using gaussian (normal distribution) statistics to evaluate a non-gausaian world. As Taleb the author says, using the tools of Mediocrastan to evaluate Extremeastan. This folly lead to massive miselvaluations of derivatives. But given the HUGE scam of AIG and their credit swaps debacle (see adjacent post) MBS investors said no problem -- even if we can't value these MFs, we are protected from any loss because of the AIG credit swaps. This led most banks nd financial institutions to load up on MBS, leverage them outrageously (like 30:1) and via that leverage got huge returns from the modest but strong returns of the underlying MBS. When homeowners could not pay their mortgages, the huge sword of leverage decapitated or severely wounded many of those financial institutions that held the leveraged MBS. Thus, Bears failed, Leaman failed, Merrill failed and was scooped up, WAMU failed, and Citi is on the verge. And Goldman is not looking pretty. Thus the financial crises -- banks with no capital -- an not being able to lend -- causing the whole economy to seize up -- worsening in vicious cycles as unemployment reduces demand, eliminating more jobs, etc. Bubble dynamics were not primarily driven by this. No one forced people to take on mortgages at gun point. no one said you have to move to a bigger house. There was a large influx of foreign / Chinese money into the economy and a large outflow from the stock market -- many of those hit by the internet bubble want real assets. This did drive bankers into a a bit of a frenzy trying to loan out all of this. But that still didn't primarily create the bubble. They couldn't do that if they stuck to borrowers who could afford their mortgages, so they went after those who couldn't and convinced them ethey could. The more people taking out mortgages and buying homes, the more it became a sellers' market, driving up prices. And the more prices went up, the more folks thought they'd be able to refinance or sell their homes for a profit after a year or two, so it was perfectly safe to start out with a mortgage they couldn't afford (if they even realized they couldn't afford it). A vicious circle, in other words, otherwise known as a bubble.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan
My questions was more in response to RD. I agree that huge amounts of debt needs to be written off by banks -- and many bubble-buyers will take a hit when selling their homes. (No one tried to give back their gains when real estate went up, why should people be paid for bad investments when real estate goes down?) And foreclosures are a quick means of getting things written down to appropriate levels. Homeowners lose their equity and banks lose the rest -- the difference of what they loaned and what they can sell the house for. Quick, efficient, accurate. Much faster and efficient than protracted force loan re-negotiations. I am all for the latter if they are fast and efficient and get home prices down to affordability index levels. But not if they go half way -- and take 6 months to negotiate. And if it takes tax payer money to do so. Spend it on education. And it opens up homes to people who could not afford bubble inflated homes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: i should have been clearer-- what i meant was that there is no way all of the debt to be paid is ever going to be, so therefore it will have to be written off, which isn't exactly the same as forgiveness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: i agree that some form of debt forgiveness is going to have to happen, and that it is a necessity when bubbles of this magnitude occur. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: you are only telling half the story-- yes, Bush was all about unlimited deregulation, which allowed wall street investment banks to finance the mortgage industry, which caused the housing bubble, which has now popped. however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no choice but to shore up the banks. One of the more interesting concepts that Michael Hudson introduces is debt forgiveness used in antiquity to restore economic balance in society. Can you elaborate on whose debts should be forgiven, and whose should not? or is it simply ALL debt -- everywhere. 1) Should ALL mortgage debts be forgiven? Or just those on the verge of foreclosure? An should it be the whole mortgage -- as in Congrats you now own this fine home free and clear. 2) Are we forgiving all credit card debt? All student loan debt (whats the scream coming from NO?). If not all but some of credit card and student loan debt, how much and for whom? (mine and yours naturally -- but who else?) 3) All corporate debt? or just some of it. And if you forgive mortgage debt, why not corporate debt. 100,000's of businesses are about to close their doors because they have too much debt. 4) All Gov't debt/ I mean why not stiff those chinese for 5 trillion in US debt they hold -- I mean like they caused this whole problem in the first place by having the gaul to actually loan us money n the first place? 5) Debts to bookies, loan sharks, and local cat houses? That would be so Awesome. I mean what they promised didn't actually come true (so I have heard) -- so why should people pay those debts, right?! Now the cost side. 1) who is going to pay for all this written of debt? The gov't? How are they going to pay for it? Issue more debt you say. Wow -- brilliant and we can forgive that debt TOO. So Awesome. Its like there actually IS a free lunch. Why didn't someone explain it this clearly earlier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: snip However, foreclosures are a quick means of getting prices in line with affordability indexes. If you want to eliminate foreclosures while have other mechanisms to get housing prices to sound levels, then I am all ears. Well, *I* don't have any ideas personally, but it seems to me the idea is first to stop the hemmorhaging (on a number of different fronts, not just mortgages) and then see what can be done about getting things back on track. A question: why are foreclosures inherently bad for the economy? Or are you making the distinction that MASS foreclosures are bad, but a reasonable amount is OK? Yes, the latter. Just for one thing, a bunch of foreclosures in a particular area sends property values down, which means less going to local gummint in property taxes; and local gummint is already in big trouble financially. I can see that if 10% of a city's (primary residence) homes were foreclosed every month it could create quite some social chaos that would dampen the economy. However, i) I don't see tht level of mass foreclosures, Here's a chart from U.S. News from December showing foreclosures or past-due loans in the third quarter of 2008 by state: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-home-front/2008/12/8/bad-loans-and- foreclosures-at-the-state-level.html http://tinyurl.com/bc7u9t The chart shows that about half the states have foreclosure/past-due loan rates of 8 percent or more (five states over 12 percent). One in 10 homeowners with a mortgage were at least one month behind on their payments or in foreclosure at the end of September, it says. And it surely hasn't gotten any better since then. ii) I don't yet see why normal foreclosure processes are inherently bad for the economy. It gets unrealistic, unpayable debt off the books, it moves people who cannot afford their homes into more affordable housing. It makes homes far more affordable to those locked out of the market. All good things in my view. All perfectly reasonable in normal times, but we're in a really complicated, really bad mess, and the number of foreclosures is *not* normal. It was at under 6 percent in '04, '05, and '06 through the third quarter, when it started to go up sharply. It's really impossible to isolate any one aspect of this economic crisis in any case; it's all interconnected. Again, I think the approach right now is to somehow get a floor under the economic decline across the board, and only then start to figure out how to restore sanity to the various parts of the system. If we can't stop the nosedive and it hits bottom, it's going to be a *vastly* more expensive and more difficult and more prolonged struggle to get it going again.
[FairfieldLife] Native Transcendence
Short video from the University of Colorado/Boulder. http://tinyurl.com/aoh54w Early Meditators. Native Transcendence at My Old Black Stump FROM MESSENGER OF PEACE JUNE 1938: About a century ago, the Baptists of Northern Indiana were holding one of their early sessions of the Mississinewa Association. Elder Freeman Taylor was preaching to a congregation assembled in the forest. Upon the completion of his sermon, which stressed experimental religion, he left the crude platform, which had served as a pulpit, and stepped back toward a tree and a clump of bushes. Much to his surprise, he found himself face to face with an Indian who had been hiding and listening to the preaching. We shall call the Indian by an English name, which was Peter Pim, as I am unable to spell his name in the Indian language. Peter Pim had left the reservation in search of some ponies, which had been stolen or had wandered away. Observing the gathering of the white men in the woods, he crept near, hoping to learn the purpose of the pow-wow, wondering if it might concern his race, and if they were to be pushed farther toward the setting sun and new hunting ground. Peter Pim could understand, but could speak only a little English. As he listened to the white man speak, he felt a response in his own heart. No sooner had he met Elder Taylor than he said, You've been to my black stump! Others of the clergy and brethren gathered near, and they, too, believed the Indian was complaining that the whites were trespassing on the reservation. No, Elder, Taylor replied, Your reservation is over there. We are not trespassing. Again the Indian said, You've been to my old black stump. Realizing that his broken English would not permit him to explain, the Indian resorted to an inter-tribal, form of language. He gathered grass and made a small circle, then, finding a worm, he placed it in the center of the circle, which he had made and set fire to the grass. As the flame swept about, the worm crawled here and there in an effort to escape; when finding escape impossible, it curled up in the corner to die. Reaching down, the Indian removed the worm from danger, and, holding it in the hollow of his hand, said, Great Spirit do this for me. Out from the Indian village was an old black stump. There had been a time in his life when Peter Pim liked fire water, but, as in broken English he continued with his story, he said, No more like fire water. No like steal or make war. Heart heavy. Go alone to old black stump and talk to Great Spirit. It was at the old black stump he had prayed and there found relief for a burdened soul. Heart no more heavy. Burden gone. Thereafter, when his soul was weary, or joy and gratitude his portion, he crept away to his secret altar and place of prayer, the old black stump. With primitive superstition, he believed he had a secret that none other could ever know, but when he heard Elder Taylor tell that morning of the goodness and mercy of God, he felt surely that there was someone who had been to my old black stump.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: Brother Doug, I greatly commend your words and spirit. Om, I hear you and appreciate what you are saying here, Grate.swan. As so important as group consciousness is in these times as ever, we must hold out to those who may have strayed from the Great path. Of course it is the moral equivalent to war and it is coming due or die. Yet, While the lamp holds out to burn, The vilest sinner may return. These words, of father Abraham again, are such like those of the opening sanskrit lines of the TM puja. Is enormous compassion there that even fallen away inebriate meditators here might return home. Jai Guru Dev, Ps. As bad as the non-meditator is for group consciousness and Meissner effect (ME) in human consciousness, this thing of the drug-using meditator fallen away needs a final solution to be found. I am thinking that a committee for `public safety' probably ought to be formed to deal with such inebriates. Probably needs another petition to Dr. Hagelin about this very real problem here. A pro- active solution. The floor, is open for discussion of this very real problem in human spirituality: My only regret is that you have not let the Spirit speak through you fully enough-- though you are a most worthy vessel. The health and vitality of the meditating community is of prime importance. Heaven on Earth is our hands. If not now NOW then when?! We should not proclaim Next year in Brahmaloka -- but rather This Year, This Moment! What is constraining us only is the impurity of the new meditator. They come to our holy circle and pollute the holy collective wave function. The purity of new initiates when seeking to come into the Lords way is paramount. No young rappin hipsters. No drug-store painted husssies. We must have properly bred, properly raised young men and women from the finest families and education. Who have devoted several years to public service -- to polish their humility and bring luster to their grace. They must have had only consumed organic vegan food since birth. And never the lips that touch liquor shall ever whisper holy mantra. Much less the inhalence of profoundly rude organic material set ablaze in toxic fumes of perfidy. And never to have polluted their vital essences. I say unto you brother Doug, bring us those pure souls and we shall take them to heaven -- and Heaven shall come to all mankind and walk on Earth in this Generation. Amen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Doubling the air out time. Good idea. Ought to petition Dr.Hagelin to increase the old drug abstinence policy. That one for protecting the spirituality of the meditation experience. From 15 to 30 days. Yes, would be a great benefit both for the prospective student and everyone. Should just be zero tolerance for such anti-spiritual activity. Resolve, that prospective students of meditation shall abstain from the use of recreational chemicals or drugs, including all forms of marijuana usage, for a period of 30 days prior to learning meditation. Resolve, that to protect the prospects of purity in the meditative experience that all prospective meditation students shall submit to drug testing prior to their learning meditation. Jai Guru Dev, Don't ya think, given the incredible strength of the concentrated drug delivery in the modern hybrid pot plant, there evidently ought to be at least a 30 day drug-abstinence policy prior to being able to learn to meditate. Like, you can just see it in pot users. Two week pot-abstinence simply is not enough to protect their experience. Administratively, 30 or 45 days might as well become mandatory for prospective meditators or else is just a waste of the meditation teacher's time. can now easily test for pot residue in the system at the time of personal instruction, much like in the workplace it can be tested for or in traffic stops now for law-enforcement. That intoxication of the altered state of brain function of the high aside, the chemical drug residues of past pot use stick around quite a long time in the system. Is evidently a corruptor of more than innocence, the meditation program. A life opportunity of coming to meditation and the meditation experience itself is so especially precious a human right (inalienable) that pot users everywhere need to be looked after for their own welfare; as well as looking to that larger communal welfare of society. Because after all is said, being born free in the potential of meditating with a clear mind and clean nervous system is a shame to `waste' with pot. Is of criminal proportion against humanity. Is this that is the large difference between just
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mysticism and Self Realisation
Hey Dick Richardson, i missed this the first posting. i was looking back for something that Marek wrote and instead found yours. Thanks for checking in here before checking out. You'll be fine, I've been there and back twice before and it is quite fine and okay as it works. Live with courage as you got it now. Bless, Bless, -Doug in FF Demographically in the meditating community, there is some checking out going on. Check your papers. Some one checked out the last couple of days up on MUM campus apparently. A professor up on campus living in the utopia park who did not show up for class late last week. They found him passed sitting in his chair. A scholar and academic to the end evidently. Jai Guru Dev indeed, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: Thank you, Friend, for coming to say Goodbye. Thank you, too, for your advice and your good cheer. Enjoy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson somerset_2@ wrote: Thank you my friend. Yeah they are all around ta, the wife, kids, grandchildren and their kids, et al. I am looking forward to going. If it is true. Well, yeah so they say. But we will not know until it happens eh :- ) But we are all going to go anyway ain't we :- ) So today, tomorrow, the next day, what the hell done my bit here so it matters not. But yeah, for the very first time in my life (seventy years) I was real rough throughout December last. They asked me to go to the docs but I told them no, I never go to the docs. But they fixed up behind my back and I got dragged there under false pretences :- ) He said I was dying because I have been smoking since I was four :- ) I said we are all dying son and I sure ain't packing up smoking can you imagine a game of chess and beer without a cigarette no way. So sod the lot of them :- ) It sure beats hanging around until one is a cabbage, and the old grey matter is working as good if not better than it has ever done. So, no complaints, it was a fantastic life and one long ball. Hope you guys enjoy it as much and for as long also. Good Luck Dick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson somerset_2@ wrote: Hello, thought I would pop in for my last annual visit to this happy hunting ground for good will and peace to all mankind. I shall be kicking the bucket soon so I thought I would say cheerio. If that is true, happy trails Dick. I hope you have your loved ones close. So, a last message from a weasoned world weary old fart If a newbie came and told me that he or she was interested in mysticism and seeking the realisation of the SELF, then my advice to them would be DON'T. Just in case they find it. Or if they did get involved, and if they did happened to find it (which is plainly very rare anyway) then my advice to them would be never ever talk about it. But as we are best loved here for keeping it short then I will leave it at that. Keep off drugs, keep the wolves from your door and keep the woman in your bed, and keep smiling. Dick.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
Not sure if this makes any sense, but I find it kind of incredible when people respond with softened emotions, rather than hardened emotions. Edg could have responeded to Grate with a 'fuck you attitude like many here do. Instead he responded in what I would desribe a more balanced way, leaving the door open for further, dialogue. And what does Grate do. He also responds in a friendler, emotional tone. I think this is what they call more enlightened conflict resolution. Different than the normal fare we often get here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Grate Swan, Cool down there, bro, I figured if anyone could understand some enthusiasm fueling their posts, it would be you. :) I find it is often more productive to ask someone their reasons for thinking so, rather than letting first impulses fly and say that's a horrendously stupid idea or most unproductively you are a horrendously stupid person for thinking that tho from some posts here, I gather many have a different view. If my questions on derivatives were packing a bit too much enthusiasm, I apologize. In rereading my derivatives question, it could have been phrased more quaintly. However, if you were to voice an opinion that disco was far better than blues, I might respond in similar fashion. Not as an attack, but more sort of friends pushing back in casual and sometimes raucous ways when they feel a friend has gone off the deep end a bit. Which can be funny, in a herd sort of way, to watch a friend stutter and dangle in trying to explain something that does not hold up well in the light of day. But I feel its better for them to conclude that than telling them directly that their idea sucks. Thus my questions. And I ask questions because I know I may have missed somethings. Derivatives became part of the overall huge mess we find ourselves in, but I do not see that they were the primary driver of higher home prices. If I am missing something, I welcome you to point it out. Per my satire part -- its to the point of where do you draw the line. Can we right all crappy actions everyone has ever made? Auto salesmen every day sell people more car than they can reasonable afford -- with tall tales and vivid images -- but I don't hear many saying we ought to bail out car buyers who bought too much car -- because they believed a smooth talking salesman. Your post sounded like these loan brokers pulled people out of their houses, force them to sign loan docs, and forced these poor innocent people to buy and move into bigger houses against their will. I don't exactly concur. Per the auto salesmen example above, but it holds for furniture stereo, TV, jewelery, clothing and sales persons of all manner of other things. And I have even been told that some men exaggerate the truth to get in bed with women. And strippers promise total fulfillment to get guys to buy a dance. No experience on either front -- but that's what I have heard. And the most outrageous case -- I have heard teachers tell their students all they had to do was meditate and their problems would vanish and they would be cosmic in a few years. So should we protect all people who bought it when presented a bit stretched truth? Were loan brokers really worse than the norm -- in substantive numbers? Do buyers really have no responsibility for their decisions? Where do you draw the line? Per my satire, if you want to go help all of the over-sold, over-buying people in the world, with your own money, as charity, you are a blessed soul. I encourage your efforts. However, if you want to do the same with other s people's money, including my modest sums, I ask you to kindly reconsider. I have laid out how I feel comfortable having my tax dollars spent to solve the mess -- I am not comfortable with yours. I was only expressing an opinion -- me, a guy who has no economic degree and has read but a few articles. I can get educate myself about derivatives and see if I misunderstood my previous readings, but can you educate yourself out of that high-hatting haughty attitude as easily? That attitude has my emotions saying, fuck Swanny if he's going to be such a shitheel about punishing me for my daring to have an opinion without a scholarly background. You're killing the conversation with a dark vibe. That said, I like so many of your posts, that I'm choking back my words for the sake of future goodwill, so work with me here. As for the points you make, I get the satire, believe me, but caveat empor only goes so far in mitigating the sins of the financial industry. Are you a Ron Paul supporter who would abandon so many institutions and laws overnight and then hope that the ensuring melee would eventually sort itself out?
[FairfieldLife] To Curtis re Guitar
So say you decided to learn guitar at 50. Do you suppose a good sounding guitar wuld proote practice and how as a non music reader would you go about it. consider because as a fan you would just wanto to do it but to do it well. Or something. Sory if this is too basic. What's a really good lesser expensive guitar, probably acoustic or steel string.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods
Ah you know Richard of all the FF and AMT people you're the only one I ever watched really improve. I think I saw you once but maybe not I don't know for sure, you wear a wide brim? - Original Message - From: Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse episode 3: Cheekbones Of The Gods Kirk wrote: I also don't think other people's wife jokes are so very appropriate. Yeah, it was like totally inappropriate for me to make any comments about your wife. Please share this thread with her and tell her I am sorry I said anything like that. Kirk wrote: I want to fuck all the girls on the show. I haven't yet noted a plot that will make some other motive for watching transparent to the wife. TurquoiseB wrote: I don't want to fuck any of them. Not even Kirk's wife? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Fw: [Tsegyalgar] Yantra Yoga at Tsegyalgar East, March 7- Last chance to sign up
Yantra Yoga Beginning/Intermediate Course Third Part of a Series of Courses to be taught Throughout 2009. Taught by Paula Barry- Certified 2nd level Instructor Saturday, March 7th 9am-noon, 3pm-6pm Cost- $40 This course is open to those who have, at one time, learned the Tsijong and Lungsang Preliminaries of Yantra Yoga, and have then gained some experience. We will continue to build on our knowledge of Yantra Yoga throughout the year both reviewing and perfecting what we have learned before, deepening knowledge as our capacity allows. In this course we will review the 9 Breathings to Exhale the Stale Air and the Eight Movements to Purify the Prana. We will then learn the Tsandul for Controlling the Channels, and begin/review learning the Pranayama and Movements of the First Series. Depending on the students' proficiency, and if time permits we can begin learning the second series of Yantras. Tsegyalgar East reserves the right to cancel courses based on low preregistration. A 25% down payment, reimbursed if there is a cancellation, is required to preregister. To register contact secret...@tsegyalgar.org or the office by phone at (413)369-4153. Tsegyalgar East Blue Gakyil Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. See how.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Not sure if this makes any sense, but I find it kind of incredible when people respond with softened emotions, rather than hardened emotions. Edg could have responeded to Grate with a 'fuck you attitude like many here do. Instead he responded in what I would desribe a more balanced way, leaving the door open for further, dialogue. And what does Grate do. He also responds in a friendler, emotional tone. I think this is what they call more enlightened conflict resolution. Different than the normal fare we often get here. Of course there are no rules when responding to someone we think has just said something not PC, right? I mean dialog and civility can't allow someone saying something that violates what we feel are the proper sense of values, can we? We are honor bound to pummel such a person until they see the world through our eyes, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Not sure if this makes any sense, but I find it kind of incredible when people respond with softened emotions, rather than hardened emotions. Edg could have responeded to Grate with a 'fuck you attitude like many here do. Instead he responded in what I would desribe a more balanced way, leaving the door open for further, dialogue. And what does Grate do. He also responds in a friendler, emotional tone. I think this is what they call more enlightened conflict resolution. Different than the normal fare we often get here. Of course there are no rules when responding to someone we think has just said something not PC, right? I mean dialog and civility can't allow someone saying something that violates what we feel are the proper sense of values, can we? We are honor bound to pummel such a person until they see the world through our eyes, right? I certanly understand why you would write something like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Hope. Change. Believe. Sacrifice. Coming Together. l.shaddai@ wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Hell, what happened to the 40 acres, $50 and a mule? Another one went over everybody's head. Yeah, nobody here can possibly fathom the subtlety and brilliance behind your jokes, eternal. Sal A few people with some knowledge of history could put the remark into context. It was quite a while back as it would be hard for anyone here to imagine farming 40 acres with one mule or, seeing the gift as a blessing. The present bailout seems somewhat more extravagant. The present bailout in contrast to that proposed (some dare even say promised) 1865 bailout, right? Well, I for one am sooo glad we didn't fall for that bailout back then. All those unemployed blacks -- most every black person in the south unemployed in 1865. The nerve of them. Obviously they goofed off in school and were lazy and deserved to be unemployed. In america, we only reward hard work -- and clearly all those southern blacks in 1865 had never done a decent days work in their lives. So I am 100% behind you Nelson. Why bail them out? I mean they came to America looking for the American dream, they goofed off for 200 years, and now they WANT US to bail them out? No sirree. We a aren't a gunna do it. It wouldn't be prudent. (Besides we only bail out our own kind so its a moot point). I seem to have gotten the point mixed up (again). Just meant some people could remember their history and, could place or appreciate the earlier comment. I guess your recall is better than mine as I didn't know the issue in such detail- thank you. Nelson, Sorry that I unloaded my satiric guns on you. I assumed you knew that 40 acres and a mule was what was promised freed slaves -- then revoked. And thus I assumed you were equating that with a bailout. Following is a short segement from wiki. 40 acres and a mule is a term for compensation that was promised to be awarded to freed African American slaves after the Civil Warâ 40 acres (16 ha) of land to farm, and a mule with which to drag a plow so the land could be cultivated. The awardâa land grant of a quarter of a quarter section (160 acres) deeded to heads of households presumably formerly owned by land-holding whitesâwas the product of Special Field Orders, No. 15, issued January 16, 1865 by Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman, which applied to black families who lived near the coasts of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. Sherman's orders specifically allocated the islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida. There was no mention of mules in Sherman's order, although the Army may have distributed them anyway. Federal and state homestead grants of the time ranged from 1/4 section up to a full section. After the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, his successor, Andrew Johnson, revoked Sherman's Orders. It is sometimes mistakenly claimed that Johnson also vetoed the enactment of the policy as a federal statute (introduced as U.S. Senate Bill 60). In fact, the Freedmen's Bureau Bill which he vetoed made no mention of grants of land or mules. (Another version of the Freedmen's bill, also without the land grants, was later passed after Johnson's second veto was overridden.) By June 1865, around 10,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (1,600 km²) in Georgia and South Carolina. Soon after, President Andrew Johnson reversed the order and returned the land to its white former owners. Because of this, the phrase has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction and the general public to assist African Americans. __ I was sort of appalled by a casting of this revoked promise to freed slaves as a bailout. At times I try to channel my frustrations through (attempted) satire. I should have asked questions before shooting (its the Bush influence that has me doing the opposite). The present bailout however looks like they will throw good money after bad in bailing out institutions that should fail I agree with that. I do believe we need a stimulus -- and education has the highest return on investment -- it will be paid back by higher tax revenues in the long run. Building new bridges -- not so much -- an such his highly susceptible to graft, earmarks and funny
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:25 PM, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I certanly understand why you would write something like this. Why, Eliza, because I'm the only one who ever pushes the envelope here or the only one who isn't cool with the hold-an-ad-hoc-Come-to-Jesus prayer-and-burning-at-the stake-meeting-to-save-the-ungodly-sinner? Would you like to hear more about my mother, Elisa? If you're not Eliza, would you kindly answer my original questions? http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
