Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 bad sensiity on all bands

[Dudley Hurry]

Try moving your antenna to the RX1 port and change the RX  to RX1 input,  see 
if the signals come up.  If they do, most likely the RFIO board in the rear 
with the antenna connections and relays. 

73,
Dudley
WA5QPZ

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> On Dec 13, 2015, at 12:22 AM, Lars Pettersson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group
> My flex has got bad sensivity on all bands   and preamp dont seem to do any 
> thing better.
> Anyone have had the same experiance?
> 
> 73 Lars SM4IVE
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Open the case?

[Tim Ellison, W4TME]

Always check the Knowledge Base first...
http://kc.flexradio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50382.aspx

Tim Ellison, W4TME
Customer Experience Manager
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On 7/29/2015 6:44 PM, Jim Richardson wrote:

I need to remove the feet on my newly received 5000A.  It is 1/8” to high to 
fit my console.  Can someone tell me how to remove the case.  Looks like 
removing the 6 screw on the front it may pull out but like to make sure.
Thanks, de Jim, k4vw
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value (For sale: NIB FLEX-5000A+AT+RX2+VU5K)

[Gary Saboe]

Listed NIB FLEX-5000 was sold.

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Gary 
Saboe
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 2:05 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value (For sale: NIB FLEX-5000A+AT+RX2+VU5K)

Jim--

I've been following this thread with interest as I'm ready to sell my "still 
boxed", never unpacked, new, unused FLEX-5000A+AT+RX2+VU5K that I received from 
FlexRadio in Dec 2010 at a cost of a bit over $5,000.  What "for sale" forums 
were you suggesting that advertising could be placed "to advertise your 5000's 
to VHF/UHF ops where the market is strong!"  My asking price for this NIB radio 
is $3,500 -- and I'm looking for a buyer.

In the meantime, --thank you Neal Campbell for a wonderful computer and 
FlexRadio for the FLEX-6700!

73
Gary N0GS

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jim 
Broaddus
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 10:51 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

Re the 5000's value on the used marketthe ones that are equipped with the 
VU module are highly sought after by meteor scatter ops who use FSK441 on VHF 
bands.  There are not too many decent rigs out there that will make RF on 6m, 
2m and 70 cm that are capable of the multitude features available on a well 
equipped 5000.  The tuner is not a plus, but the vu module is highly sought 
after.  The high end 6000 series will work in the MS application on VHF, but 
pricey. So, advertise your 5000's to VHF/UHF ops where the market is strong!  
Es season is just a few weeks away which will further strengthen this market.

I can tell you first hand that the 3000's make beautiful AM fone rigs!
They sound as good or better than the boat anchors which employ high level 
plate modulation and the fact that the RF output is adjustable is a real plus 
when used to drive modern amplifiers on AM (continuous duty).

Jim
de nx4e

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Patrick Greenlee]

I wouldn't schedule a trip to the Smithsonian just yet to view an 
obsolete SDR know as a Flex 5000 A.  First the rice burners have to 
catch up to the 5K before it can become obsolete.  No improvements does 
not equal obsolete until its features are out classed by the rice burners.


Oh by the way, just for the record I have a BS in comp sci and a MS in 
software engineering.  I'm not currently interested in playing with the 
code but who knows what the future will hold.


Patrick

On 3/2/2015 10:35 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
One thought ... if Flex released the software then some enterprising 
chap might

take on upgrading it. But I doubt that will happen.

Therefore, I predict the 5000's will continue to decline in value. 
Perhaps in the

future they will be looked on as historical artifacts.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 3/1/2015 5:35 PM, manual...@juno.com wrote:

What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:

Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla
5000a at the moment.

I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty
closely.

The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went
for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they
were going for $2800-$3100.

Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900
lately.

Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and
QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.

I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.


It's clearly a buyers market right now.

YMMV..
Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net

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Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams
To: Subject:
[Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID:
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying
to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a
V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my
config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for
a radio like mine?

Thanks,HarryW0LS


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[manualman]

I suspect there are probably many software types that might venture into
an enterprise of providing additional features, functions, etc.  if they
had access to all the code or whatever else they needed to add additional
life into the 5000. It might also secure a better foothold into the
evolving and expanding world of SDR-type products. What surprises me
after all these years of products is I have yet to hear of anyone
diddling with any of the hardware in the 5000. I guess that's good thing
as far as hardware design is concerned.

Pete, wa2cwa
www.manualman.com

On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 07:25:35 -0600 Patrick Greenlee
 writes:
> Yeah, wishful thinking, but also very true and would be a terrific 
> way 
> to proceed but not likely to happen.
> 
> Patrick   NJ5G
> 
> On 3/1/2015 9:56 PM, Edwin Marzan wrote:
> > Wishful thinking. These radio's are being treated like old 
> computers.  And new software written for old computers is virtually 
> nil. And according to Gerald they had only scratched the surface of 
> what the 5000 could do. Without new software all bets are off.
> >
> > Eddie from the BronxAB2VW
> >
> >> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> >> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:35:24 -0500
> >> From: manual...@juno.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value
> >>
> >> What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 
> would be
> >> if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 
> 2.7.2, was
> >> issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers 
> might be
> >> swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being 
> updated
> >> even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, 
> it could
> >> be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold 
> buying up
> >> the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate 
> to the
> >> 6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.
> >>
> >> Pete, wa2cwa


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Jim Broaddus]

Re the 5000's value on the used marketthe ones that are equipped with
the VU module are highly sought after by meteor scatter ops who use FSK441
on VHF bands.  There are not too many decent rigs out there that will make
RF on 6m, 2m and 70 cm that are capable of the multitude features available
on a well equipped 5000.  The tuner is not a plus, but the vu module is
highly sought after.  The high end 6000 series will work in the MS
application on VHF, but pricey. So, advertise your 5000's to VHF/UHF ops
where the market is strong!  Es season is just a few weeks away which will
further strengthen this market.

I can tell you first hand that the 3000's make beautiful AM fone rigs!
They sound as good or better than the boat anchors which employ high level
plate modulation and the fact that the RF output is adjustable is a real
plus when used to drive modern amplifiers on AM (continuous duty).

Jim
de nx4e


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On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Richard Solomon  wrote:

> One thought ... if Flex released the software then some enterprising chap
> might
> take on upgrading it. But I doubt that will happen.
>
> Therefore, I predict the 5000's will continue to decline in value. Perhaps
> in the
> future they will be looked on as historical artifacts.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
> On 3/1/2015 5:35 PM, manual...@juno.com wrote:
>
>> What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
>> if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
>> issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
>> swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
>> even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
>> be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
>> the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
>> 6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.
>>
>> Pete, wa2cwa
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:
>>
>>> Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla
>>> 5000a at the moment.
>>>
>>> I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty
>>> closely.
>>>
>>> The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went
>>> for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they
>>> were going for $2800-$3100.
>>>
>>> Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900
>>> lately.
>>>
>>> Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and
>>> QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.
>>>
>>> I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's clearly a buyers market right now.
>>>
>>> YMMV..
>>> Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> --
>>>
>>> Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams
>>> To: Subject:
>>> [Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID:
>>> Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying
>>> to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a
>>> V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my
>>> config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for
>>> a radio like mine?
>>>
>>> Thanks,HarryW0LS
>>>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Richard Solomon]

One thought ... if Flex released the software then some enterprising 
chap might

take on upgrading it. But I doubt that will happen.

Therefore, I predict the 5000's will continue to decline in value. 
Perhaps in the

future they will be looked on as historical artifacts.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 3/1/2015 5:35 PM, manual...@juno.com wrote:

What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:

Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla
5000a at the moment.

I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty
closely.

The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went
for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they
were going for $2800-$3100.

Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900
lately.

Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and
QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.

I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.


It's clearly a buyers market right now.

YMMV..
Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net

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Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams
To: Subject:
[Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID:
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying
to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a
V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my
config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for
a radio like mine?

Thanks,HarryW0LS


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Patrick Greenlee]

Yeah, wishful thinking, but also very true and would be a terrific way 
to proceed but not likely to happen.


Patrick   NJ5G

On 3/1/2015 9:56 PM, Edwin Marzan wrote:

Wishful thinking. These radio's are being treated like old computers.  And new 
software written for old computers is virtually nil. And according to Gerald 
they had only scratched the surface of what the 5000 could do. Without new 
software all bets are off.

Eddie from the BronxAB2VW


To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:35:24 -0500
From: manual...@juno.com
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:

Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla
5000a at the moment.

I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty
closely.

The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went
for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they
were going for $2800-$3100.

Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900
lately.

Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and
QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.

I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.


It's clearly a buyers market right now.

YMMV..
Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net

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Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams
To: Subject:
[Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID:
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying
to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a
V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my
config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for
a radio like mine?

Thanks,HarryW0LS


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Mark Ericksen]

I own a 5000A with ATU and second receiver; and I refuse to sell it and take 
a bath.  I would be more than willing to pay for major PowerSDR upgrades.


I want to purchase a new radio, but I doubt it will be a Flex because how do 
I know that after I shell out $7500 (need the 6700 for two identical 
receivers like the 5000) for a new radio that software upgrades for the 6000 
series will stop in about the same time frame as they did for the 5000?  I 
am not willing to take the chance.


I see a K3 in my future.

Mark Ericksen
AD4MA

-Original Message- 
From: Paul

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:01 AM
To: 'Mark Lunday'
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value


I have to agree. I'd also be interested in purchasing updates to PowerSDR if
they were available.


Paul Delaney - K6HR
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080



-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Mark
Lunday
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 8:56 PM
To: les...@skymesh.com.au; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

Why not charge for PowerSDR updates, like SmartSDR?  I have gotten a lot of
free updates since I purchased my first Flex radio about 6 years ago, and I
am happy for that.  But if future updates require a payment to Flex to keep
the code updated, I would certainly consider it.  The software is more
mature than SmartSDR, and I would rather do that than lose my shirt and have
to give away my Flex 5000 and then fork over  for a 6000 series rig.

Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
wd4...@arrl.net
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Paul]

I have to agree. I'd also be interested in purchasing updates to PowerSDR if
they were available. 


Paul Delaney - K6HR
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-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Mark
Lunday
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 8:56 PM
To: les...@skymesh.com.au; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

Why not charge for PowerSDR updates, like SmartSDR?  I have gotten a lot of
free updates since I purchased my first Flex radio about 6 years ago, and I
am happy for that.  But if future updates require a payment to Flex to keep
the code updated, I would certainly consider it.  The software is more
mature than SmartSDR, and I would rather do that than lose my shirt and have
to give away my Flex 5000 and then fork over  for a 6000 series rig.

Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Mark Lunday]

Why not charge for PowerSDR updates, like SmartSDR?  I have gotten a lot of
free updates since I purchased my first Flex radio about 6 years ago, and I
am happy for that.  But if future updates require a payment to Flex to keep
the code updated, I would certainly consider it.  The software is more
mature than SmartSDR, and I would rather do that than lose my shirt and have
to give away my Flex 5000 and then fork over  for a 6000 series rig.

Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Neal Campbell]

I dont think there is an issue with old computers (I will continue to test,
configure, build and support these radios for as long as anyone will
tolerate me!)

I think the way forward would be for Flex to "contribute" their proprietary
parts of PowerSDR back to the Open Source license and let it merge with the
OpenHPSDR programming branch of PSDR. Warren Pratt and crew have done some
absolutely amazing things with their flavor of PSDR (they just introduced a
second noise reduction feature, for instance) and have completely rewritten
all of the DSP logic, it performs just wonderfully.

It might be too early for them to do this as I expect it could be viewed as
discontinuing support but it would really open things up a lot (and bring a
lot more resources onboard for its maintenance).

Also would be interesting to see if cuSDR ever gets the transmit side of
the logic straight, it could also be ported to the Flex radios.


73


Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal LLC



On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Edwin Marzan 
wrote:

> Wishful thinking. These radio's are being treated like old computers.  And
> new software written for old computers is virtually nil. And according to
> Gerald they had only scratched the surface of what the 5000 could do.
> Without new software all bets are off.
>
> Eddie from the BronxAB2VW
>
> > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:35:24 -0500
> > From: manual...@juno.com
> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value
> >
> > What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
> > if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
> > issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
> > swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
> > even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
> > be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
> > the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
> > 6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:
> > > Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla
> > > 5000a at the moment.
> > >
> > > I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty
> > > closely.
> > >
> > > The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went
> > > for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they
> > > were going for $2800-$3100.
> > >
> > > Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900
> > > lately.
> > >
> > > Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and
> > > QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.
> > >
> > > I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's clearly a buyers market right now.
> > >
> > > YMMV..
> > > Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams
> > > To: Subject:
> > > [Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID:
> > > Content-Type:
> > > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying
> > > to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a
> > > V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my
> > > config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for
> > > a radio like mine?
> > >
> > > Thanks,HarryW0LS
> >
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Edwin Marzan]

Wishful thinking. These radio's are being treated like old computers.  And new 
software written for old computers is virtually nil. And according to Gerald 
they had only scratched the surface of what the 5000 could do. Without new 
software all bets are off.

Eddie from the BronxAB2VW

> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:35:24 -0500
> From: manual...@juno.com
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value
> 
> What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
> if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
> issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
> swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
> even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
> be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
> the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
> 6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.
> 
> Pete, wa2cwa
> 
> 
> On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:
> > Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla 
> > 5000a at the moment.
> > 
> > I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty 
> > closely.
> > 
> > The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went 
> > for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they 
> > were going for $2800-$3100.
> > 
> > Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900 
> > lately.
> > 
> > Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and 
> > QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.
> > 
> > I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.  
> > 
> > 
> > It's clearly a buyers market right now.
> > 
> > YMMV..
> > Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > --
> > 
> > Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams 
> > To: Subject: 
> > [Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID: 
> > Content-Type: 
> > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > 
> > I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying 
> > to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a 
> > V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my 
> > config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for 
> > a radio like mine?
> > 
> > Thanks,HarryW0LS
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
One of the big problems with the pricing of both new and second hand Flex  
and Anan radios as I see it is the availability of the item below and  
others like it that are coming on the market


http://ecom.eladit.com/epages/990298944.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/990298944/Products/"ELAD%20FDM-DUO";


http://shop.elad-usa.com/sdr-radio/fdm-duo/

Les VK2DSG


On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 11:35:24 +1100,  wrote:


What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:

Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla
5000a at the moment.

I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty
closely.

The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went
for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they
were going for $2800-$3100.

Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900
lately.

Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and
QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.

I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.


It's clearly a buyers market right now.

YMMV..
Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net

- Original Message -
--

Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams
To: Subject:
[Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID:
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying
to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a
V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my
config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for
a radio like mine?

Thanks,HarryW0LS



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Harry Williams]

Amen!

73,
Harry
W0LS

-Original Message- 
From: manual...@juno.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 6:35 PM 
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz 
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value 


What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:
Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla 
5000a at the moment.


I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty 
closely.


The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went 
for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they 
were going for $2800-$3100.


Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900 
lately.


Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and 
QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.


I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.  



It's clearly a buyers market right now.

YMMV..
Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net

- Original Message -
--

Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams 
To: Subject: 
[Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID: 
Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying 
to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a 
V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my 
config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for 
a radio like mine?


Thanks,HarryW0LS



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[manualman]

What might perk up interest in buying a used Flex 5000 or 3000 would be
if Flex released a new version of PowerSDR. The last version, 2.7.2, was
issued almost a year ago (March/April 2014). Potential buyers might be
swayed positively if they saw that the software was still being updated
even if for the most part, it was mainly just bug fixes. To me, it could
be a win-win for Flex. New Flex users would come into the fold buying up
the used 3000's and 5000's and existing Flex users could migrate to the
6000 series without sitting on a double investment of equipment.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 22:32:12 + (UTC) n...@comcast.net writes:
> Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla 
> 5000a at the moment.
> 
> I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty 
> closely.
> 
> The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went 
> for around $2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they 
> were going for $2800-$3100.
> 
> Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900 
> lately.
> 
> Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and 
> QTH.com for $1500 OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.
> 
> I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.  
> 
> 
> It's clearly a buyers market right now.
> 
> YMMV..
> Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net
> 
> - Original Message -
> --
> 
> Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams 
> To: Subject: 
> [Flexradio] Flex 5000 ValueMessage-ID: 
> Content-Type: 
> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying 
> to determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a 
> V/U module. Could not find any recent sales that looked like my 
> config. Any ideas of worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for 
> a radio like mine?
> 
> Thanks,HarryW0LS


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[n3th]

Here's my $0.02 from someone who's trying to sell a plain vanilla 5000a at the 
moment.

I've been studying values of all the 5000 models as of late pretty closely.

The last 3 5000a with 2nd RX, tuner and V/U that I saw on QTH went for around 
$2300.  A big difference than 6-8 months ago when they were going for 
$2800-$3100.

Units with tuners and 2nd RX seem to be in the $1600 to $1900 lately.

Mine is a bare bones unit and I have it advertised on QRZ and QTH.com for $1500 
OBO which I *thought* was a fair price.

I've had 4 responses between the 2 sites and no offers whatsoever.  

It's clearly a buyers market right now.

YMMV..
Thomas - n3thn...@comcast.net

- Original Message -
--

Message: 1Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:02:59 -0600From: Harry Williams 
To: Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 
5000 ValueMessage-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="iso-8859-1"

I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying to 
determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and a V/U module. 
Could not find any recent sales that looked like my config. Any ideas of worth 
or has anybody seen any recent sales for a radio like mine?

Thanks,HarryW0LS
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Steve Fowler]

Hi Harry,

I have the same rig with the antenna tuner too.  I've seen them go for a
little over $3000 and thought about selling so I could get a 6000 series,
but then I'd have to find a replacement for the excellent 2m & 70cm I
have.  I'm keeping mine since it does all that I need, and I'll think about
a new rig a few years down the road.

Steve
KC0FU

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Harry Williams  wrote:

> Thanks to all that responded...that was really helpful...and...maybe I
> should re-think the idea of selling..we shall see.
>
> Thanks!
> Harry
> W0LS
>
> -Original Message- From: Harry Williams
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:02 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value
>
>
> I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying to
> determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and  a V/U module.
> Could not find any recent sales that looked like my config. Any ideas of
> worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for a radio like mine?
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
> W0LS
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Harry Williams]

Thanks to all that responded...that was really helpful...and...maybe I 
should re-think the idea of selling..we shall see.


Thanks!
Harry
W0LS

-Original Message- 
From: Harry Williams

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:02 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying to 
determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and  a V/U module. 
Could not find any recent sales that looked like my config. Any ideas of 
worth or has anybody seen any recent sales for a radio like mine?


Thanks,
Harry
W0LS
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Value

[Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX]

Your Flex is a rare bird thanks ot the u/v board.
160 meters to 70 cm all locked to GPS.  None of the 6k
series can match that.

On 02/27/2015 11:02 AM, Harry Williams wrote:

I have been thinking of buying a 6500 and sell my Flex 5000. Trying to 
determine what its worth today. Mine is a 5000a, 2nd rx, and  a V/U module. 
Could not find any recent sales that looked like my config. Any ideas of worth 
or has anybody seen any recent sales for a radio like mine?

Thanks,
Harry
W0LS
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 RX2 for sale

[Peter Bourget]

The Flex 5000 RX2 is sold pending funds from buyer.

73,
Pete W6OP
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>   1. Flex 5000 RX2 for sale (Peter Bourget)
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>   3. Flex 1500 Newbie problems Xmitwaveshape (Robert Miles)
>   4. Re: Setup/PA Settings (Tim Ellison, W4TME)
>   5. Re: Flex 1500 Newbie problems Xmitwaveshape (Tim Ellison, W4TME)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:03:32 -0800
> From: Peter Bourget 
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 RX2 for sale
> Message-ID: <86b94352-3699-48b0-b38b-efc61bde1...@w6op.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> I have the RX2 for a Flex 5000 for sale. I bought it used as I was buying a 
> friends 5000 without a second receiver. That sale fell through and I bought 
> another 5000 that already had the RX2 in it. I?ll sell it for $400 shipped in 
> USA. Has all cables and other parts necessary. Relatively easy to install, 
> just download the instructions from the Flex web site. Be sure your rig has 
> the updated RFIO board, the install instructions show you how to check.
> 
> 73,
> Pete W6OP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:09:18 + (GMT)
> From: paim 
> To: "flexe...@flex-radio.biz" ,
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> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] buffer /setting
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> 
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> hi?
> i am doing some test on high spec pc , i like to know what will be the best 
> setting buffer in the audio 256?2046?
> what about the dsp area it is set to 2046 in ssb in cw it is 256 is there any 
> one can to put a light on this setting ?
> thanks
> ?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:30:57 -
> From: "Robert Miles" 
> To: 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I am a Flex newbie and really enjoying the receive experience.. absolutely
> fantastic the point and shoot feature.  I never thought I would prefer this
> interface to a rotary dial until I tried it.
> 
> 
> 
> Struggling on transmit though.
> 
> 
> 
> Few problems..
> 
> 
> 
> 1)  On SSB .. I have made two qso's both in contests to guys with big
> beams!
> 
> When I look at the spectrum in transmit, I notice three spikes in frequency,
> about 600 KHZ apart, constant amplitude and when I am not speaking they
> remain constant amplitude although the amplitude of the rest of my audio
> drops down.
> 
> I haven't had a nice quiet QSO to ask anyone if the audio is ok and on
> monitor it sounds clean. Lots of contests on right now
> 
> If I use the test mode with a single tone its nice and clean.  
> 
> When I speak it looks really weird on the spectrum and three dark lines on
> the waterfall!
> 
> 
> 
> 2)  On CW it's the latency thing.. horrible noticeable delay between key
> down and sidetone.. and no audio level control on the sidetone!.. Just not
> nice.. never had this latency before on any analogue rig I have owned.
> Someone said its been fixed.. either I have not set it up properly or they
> are not CW operators!
> 
> 
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> GM4CAQ
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:39:07 -0500
> From: "Tim Ellison, W4TME" 
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
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> That tab is for the SDR-1000
> 
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> On 11/16/2013 5:59 AM, Craig Hayhow wrote

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 High VSWR and power reduction

[Steven Hess]

I suggest you open a support ticket with FlexRadio at:

http://support.flexradio.com/

73 de KC6KGE
Steven

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Craig Hayhow  wrote:
> Yes I have tried exporting my settings and then restored factory defaults
> and have the same fault
>
>
> On 15 November 2013 23:19, Steven Hess  wrote:
>>
>> Have you done a factory reset of PowerSDR?
>> If you have no I suggest you export your settings and do so as a first
>> step.
>>
>> 73 de Steven
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Craig Hayhow 
>> wrote:
>> > My Flex 5000 has just developed a fault where it thinks it has a high
>> > VSWR
>> > and it suddenly reduces the power to less than 10 watts. This occurs on
>> > all
>> > modes, tune and ether using the antenna or a dummy load.
>> >
>> > The external power meter starts at 100 watts and suddenly reduces to 10
>> > watts as the High SWR is displayed. The PowerSDR display shows 150 watts
>> > for drive level >3, 142 watts for drive level 2, 85 watts for drive
>> > level 1
>> > and 0 watts for drive level 0.
>> >
>> > The PowerSDR display shows VSW 28.0:1 and Rev power 130 watts.
>> > The ATU is bypassed
>> > If I try using the internal tuner is says: "ATU Tune Failed: No RF
>> > Detected"
>> > HF=RX1=ANT.1, TX=ANT.1, RX.2=RX.2 in
>> >
>> > Also, the power button works to turn the radio on, but will not work to
>> > turn the radio off ?
>> >
>> > Can anyone suggest what has happened here or any suggestions how to get
>> > it
>> > operating back to normal ?
>> >
>> > Craig
>> >
>> > VK0JJJ
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 High VSWR and power reduction

[Steven Hess]

Have you done a factory reset of PowerSDR?
If you have no I suggest you export your settings and do so as a first step.

73 de Steven

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Craig Hayhow  wrote:
> My Flex 5000 has just developed a fault where it thinks it has a high VSWR
> and it suddenly reduces the power to less than 10 watts. This occurs on all
> modes, tune and ether using the antenna or a dummy load.
>
> The external power meter starts at 100 watts and suddenly reduces to 10
> watts as the High SWR is displayed. The PowerSDR display shows 150 watts
> for drive level >3, 142 watts for drive level 2, 85 watts for drive level 1
> and 0 watts for drive level 0.
>
> The PowerSDR display shows VSW 28.0:1 and Rev power 130 watts.
> The ATU is bypassed
> If I try using the internal tuner is says: "ATU Tune Failed: No RF Detected"
> HF=RX1=ANT.1, TX=ANT.1, RX.2=RX.2 in
>
> Also, the power button works to turn the radio on, but will not work to
> turn the radio off ?
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> Can anyone suggest what has happened here or any suggestions how to get it
> operating back to normal ?
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 "PA Info" Display Bug During Satellite Operation?

[Bill Bordy, NJ1H]

Dudley,

Using XVTR ports.

Flex PA not in play.

I have only seen this during my full duplex operation with transmit  on. 
I hear my downlink and no drop outs. Both TX and RX frequencies being 
updated. I have the RX2 in my Flex-5000. It is enabled. Split operation 
is being use with TX on VFO B.


CPU use is less than 40%. System is Intel quad CPU Q8200 running Win 7 
Pro x64 with all updates .


FlexRadio utility reports majority of DPCs less than 100 us, about 
114000 reports. PA Info error seen numerous times with FlexRadio 
running. Max DPC is less than 300 usec, 2 reports; less than 200 usec, 6 
reports during a sample run with numerous PA Info errors seen.


I have not noticed this during the years of operation in simplex mode 
with or without transverters. Of course, all that operation is without 
realtime doppler correction occuring in full duplex mode.


73,
Bill



CPU usage is less than
On 9/29/2013 8:27 PM, FlexRadio Support, Dudley Hurry wrote:

Bill,

Are you having to run the PA to drive the transverter? Normally use 
the low level XVTR ports to drive the transverters..A sudden jump 
in the temperature / voltage may either be a system resource issue or 
a ADC problem in the radio..   How is the radio running otherwise? 
 Any audio or RF output drop outs?How much CPU percentage are you 
showing in PowerSDR? And the DPCs?If high resources could be a 
problem..




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On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Bill Bordy, NJ1H > wrote:


I have been active on the satellites lately with my Flex-5000
using external transverters.  PowerSDR version 2.6.4.

I have noticed an error in the PA Info display, Ctrl-Shift-I, when
I am in mode B and transmit is enabled. The Temp: will read  very
unusual temperatures, i.e. 572, intermittently for a moment.
Values change, but seem to be repetitive. I have seen large
negative F values also. The Voltage: also reads 0 briefly
sometimes.The radio appears to function normally when this occurs.

This occurs even if the TX Drive is set to 0.

I am running SatPC32 V.12.8b to control the uplink and downlink
frequencies using x10 Speed. The problem seems to only occur when
CAT is enabled on SatPC32.

This seems like a conflict between variables used by PowerSDR's
CAT control and the PA Info routines.

Is anyone else using a Flex-5000 seeing this?

73,
Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 "PA Info" Display Bug During Satellite Operation?

[Michael Logan]

My flex 3000 does the same thing when I use my mouse wheel to scroll the VFO on 
the panadapter. I have a mouse wheel the free-wheels and tunes very fast. 

Sent from my iPhone 5

> On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:28 PM, "Bill Bordy, NJ1H "  wrote:
> 
> I have been active on the satellites lately with my Flex-5000 using external 
> transverters.  PowerSDR version 2.6.4.
> 
> I have noticed an error in the PA Info display, Ctrl-Shift-I, when I am in 
> mode B and transmit is enabled. The Temp: will read  very unusual 
> temperatures, i.e. 572, intermittently for a moment. Values change, but seem 
> to be repetitive. I have seen large negative F values also. The Voltage: also 
> reads 0 briefly sometimes.The radio appears to function normally when this 
> occurs.
> 
> This occurs even if the TX Drive is set to 0.
> 
> I am running SatPC32 V.12.8b to control the uplink and downlink frequencies 
> using x10 Speed. The problem seems to only occur when CAT is enabled on 
> SatPC32.
> 
> This seems like a conflict between variables used by PowerSDR's CAT control 
> and the PA Info routines.
> 
> Is anyone else using a Flex-5000 seeing this?
> 
> 73,
> Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support (Gerald Youngblood)

[hawley, charles j jr]

I think he was trying to fully disclose the conditions of his sale. And he did 
apologize for his misunderstanding. It's good that these rumors see some open 
discussion.

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Gerald Youngblood]

John,

That is a patently false statement.  We will continue to service all of our
radios Al's long as it is practical to do so.  We continue to repair the
SDR-1000 both in the USA and EU.  That radio was designed over 10 years ago
and ceased production in 2006.   I wonder sometimes what motive some people
have in spreading rumors like that.

Gerald

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013, Jon Hall wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I saw this ad on QRZ.
>
>
> http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a
>
> It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
> Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
> customers.
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Richard Solomon]

This is how rumors start ...

Most likely answer is that Flex saw the damage and decided it was not 
economically
feasible to repair. There's a lot of missing information here that must 
be disclosed

before we attack Flex.

73, Dick, W1KSZ


On 8/27/2013 1:20 PM, Jon Hall wrote:

Hi,

I saw this ad on QRZ.

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a

It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
customers.

Jon
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Mickey Baker]

Don't believe everything you read. I'm sure someone from FlexRadio will
chip in, but the warranty period for Flex5k's sold hasn't yet expired.

HOWEVER, no warranty in the world will pay for a radio damaged by
lightning. That's an insurance claim!

73,

Mickey


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>
> I saw this ad on QRZ.
>
>
> http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a
>
> It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
> Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
> customers.
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Jim Cox]

I emailed the person listing the Flex 5K.  He has talked to Flex and they 
told him they couldn’t estimate how much to repair until they looked at it. 
Any electronic gear that has been damaged by an electrical charge may be 
fixed and still fail again thus most manufacturers will not warranty their 
work.  I don’t know why he stated Flex didn’t support the 5K anymore, he 
even admitted they did not say that.  Evidentially his insurance is 
replacing the 5K with a 6500.


Jim K4JAF

-Original Message- 
From: Jon Hall

Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:20 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

Hi,

I saw this ad on QRZ.

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a

It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
customers.

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Chuck ONeal]

The ad stated that it was hit by lightning.  Maybe he already sent it back 
to Flex and Flex found it to be unrepairable due to extensive damage?


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Watson" 

To: "Jon Hall" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support



I just had my 5000A repaired under warranty less than two weeks ago. I
can't see how this could be true.

Keith...
N9TX


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jon Hall  wrote:


Hi,

I saw this ad on QRZ.


http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a

It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
customers.

Jon
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Jerry Falletta]

But... but... it was on the Internet
;)

Seriously, considering the excellent reputation Flex has earned over the
years for excellent customer service, I will bet they will continue to do
so for a long time. :)
On Aug 27, 2013 4:21 PM, "Jon Hall"  wrote:

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>
> I saw this ad on QRZ.
>
>
> http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a
>
> It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
> Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Ray, K9DUR]

Jon,

This is definitely NOT true.  Flex stopped selling the FLEX-5000A in June
2013, but will continue to repair & support the FLEX-5000A for the
foreseeable future.

Consider that Flex stopped selling the SDR-1000 over 6 years ago (if I
recall correctly), but only with the latest version does PowerSDR no longer
work with the SDR-1000.  However, they still support the SDR-1000 with
previous versions of the software.  

I am certain that it will be the same for the FLEX-5000A.  They still have
radios in the field with time left on their 2-year warranty, so they have to
continue to repair them for at least that period of time.

Flex definitely takes care of its customers.

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Keith Watson]

I just had my 5000A repaired under warranty less than two weeks ago. I
can't see how this could be true.

Keith...
N9TX


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jon Hall  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I saw this ad on QRZ.
>
>
> http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a
>
> It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
> Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
> customers.
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[nealk3nc]

 Hi Jon

Flex will continue to repair and support the 5000 for time to come 
(years?), do not worry. I think what the person who carelessly wrote 
this was meaning is that you can no longer buy a new one from Flex, they 
have stopped selling new units.


73

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Hi,

I saw this ad on QRZ.

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?403443-Tech-special-flex-radio-systems-flex-5000a

It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
Is this correct? If so that sure isn't my idea of taking care of
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 support

[Steven Hess]

The radios are still supported. Manufacturing has ended.
Repairs and support continue.


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> I saw this ad on QRZ.
>
>
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>
> It seems to indicate that Flex will no longer support/repair a 5000.
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 for sale (part 2)

[Tim Samaras]

Dave:

My wife is the same way.

Great choice on the amp!  Looks like the perfect choice for the 6700.

New hybrid modules provide the full gallon now for 2 and 70cm. Certainly the 
sign of the times--tubes are on the way out for amps.

Tim
WJ0G

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> Speaking of XYLs; I need a good amp to go with my present Flex 5000, and my 
> coming Flex 6700 ( my Alpha 87A is still perking along, but showing its age).
> After reviewing and thoroughly investigating the Expert 2K-FA amplifier 
> specifications, I showed the 2K-FA advertisement  to my wife. She  insisted 
> that I purchase it and "DO SO RIGHT NOW"  (her words. This is no joke. Man I 
> love that woman)
> 
> Dave, W5UN
> 
> At 12:52 PM 5/13/2013, you wrote:
>> Looks like Flex 5000 is available again as the buyer had a change of plans
>> (seems his XYL had different ideas)  :)
>> 
>> Details:
>> 
>> 
>>   - Flex 5000
>>   - RX2
>>   - Tuner
>>   - Power Cable
>>   - FlexKnob
>>   - s/n 0510-2xxx
>>   - Firewire cable
>>   - 6M Pre-Amp and jumper cables for RX loop
>>   - Printed PowerSDR V2 manual
>> 
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>> it makes sense to complete a transaction.
>> 
>> $2600
>> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 for sale (part 2)

[Dave Blaschke, w5un]

Speaking of XYLs; I need a good amp to go with my present Flex 5000, 
and my coming Flex 6700 ( my Alpha 87A is still perking along, but 
showing its age).
After reviewing and thoroughly investigating the Expert 2K-FA 
amplifier specifications, I showed the 2K-FA advertisement  to my 
wife. She  insisted that I purchase it and "DO SO RIGHT NOW"  (her 
words. This is no joke. Man I love that woman)


Dave, W5UN

At 12:52 PM 5/13/2013, you wrote:

Looks like Flex 5000 is available again as the buyer had a change of plans
(seems his XYL had different ideas)  :)

Details:


   - Flex 5000
   - RX2
   - Tuner
   - Power Cable
   - FlexKnob
   - s/n 0510-2xxx
   - Firewire cable
   - 6M Pre-Amp and jumper cables for RX loop
   - Printed PowerSDR V2 manual

So sorry for the bandwidth.  I will bring it to Dayton if we have a deal if
it makes sense to complete a transaction.

$2600

Mike va3mw
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 remote operation

[Gary Blau]

Fwiw, run remote 100% of the time, and use several things for different 
situations.


For Remote Desktop access, I prefer Radmin, but also use VNC and 
LogMeIn.  The latter two are mostly for work with my iPad and iPod Touch.


For audio, primarily use IPsound, but also Skype, RemAud, and most 
recently Fideliphone.  Have to use Skype with the iPad/Pod.  Would love 
to have another audio alternative to Skype for those.


Also have TeamViewer installed, but don't care for the audio.

For traveling using hotel wifi and such it usually means Skype and 
LogMeIn to get thru firewalls.


Gary
W3AM

Dave Movius wrote:


Using Flex 5000 for local and remote operation.  Using TeamViewer for
remote access and Skype for remote audio.  Interested in other remote
access options and comparisons to TeamViewer, as well as other audio
links (eg, RemAud) comparisons.



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 remote operation

[Dave Antler]

Have not found better audio than Skype.
TeamViewer is fine.  if you are in a Airport or someplace where Skype is 
blocked and they want you to pay for Skype access, the TeamViewer audio 
will work and it's decent.

 I use Log-me-in and Skype most of the time.
Dave W9AD
On 5/4/2013 2:46 PM, Dave Movius wrote:

Using Flex 5000 for local and remote operation.  Using TeamViewer for remote 
access and Skype for remote audio.  Interested in other remote access options 
and comparisons to TeamViewer, as well as other audio links (eg, RemAud) 
comparisons.

Tnx.

Dave, W7IWW
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 remote operation

[David Decoons]

I use Skype and CommCat mobile on iPhone and iPad. Takes less bandwidth
than remote desktop. Akso use a Bluetooth earpiece with good results.

Dave
WO2X
On May 4, 2013 3:46 PM, "Dave Movius"  wrote:

> Using Flex 5000 for local and remote operation.  Using TeamViewer for
> remote access and Skype for remote audio.  Interested in other remote
> access options and comparisons to TeamViewer, as well as other audio links
> (eg, RemAud) comparisons.
>
> Tnx.
>
> Dave, W7IWW
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 remote operation

[Marty]

Hi Dave,
I'm interested in your remote setup.   I recently acquired a 5000A (2 weeks 
ago).  Prior to that I had a 756 Pro3 which I remoted using CommCat.
CommCat supports Flex; but I'm not real happy with it.  I have Skype and 
Teamview installed. I do a lot of configuring for the local hams especially 
in the digital modes. Teamview saves a lot of gas as a lot of these guys 
live in the sticks of WV.  CommCat really worked good on the Pro3. I was 
able to move around my house/yard and for demo purposes from one of the 
local radio stations and senior citizen center.  I used Howards CommCat 
mobile for the remote access from my Ipad.


That is basically it.
73
Marty
W8AKS
Beckley WV


-Original Message- 
From: Dave Movius

Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 19:46
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 remote operation

Using Flex 5000 for local and remote operation.  Using TeamViewer for remote 
access and Skype for remote audio.  Interested in other remote access 
options and comparisons to TeamViewer, as well as other audio links (eg, 
RemAud) comparisons.


Tnx.

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 for sale

[William H. Fite]

Radio has been sold.  Thanks to all who inquired.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM, William H. Fite  wrote:

> With the greatest reluctance, I have decided to sell my Flex 5000.
>
> I purchased this radio in 2010 and it has never been exposed to smoke or
> used outside my shack.  It is in excellent shape.  No 2nd receiver or
> tuner.  Will ship with power cord and a Granite FireWire cable in the
> original shipping box.
>
> Asking $2,000 or best offer with free shipping in the continental US.
> Sorry, no international shipping.
>
> Please contact me off list if interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> KJ4SLP
>
>
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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-5000 on 70 MHZ ??

[Tim Ellison]

You can by using a transverter
http://www.geekshed.co.uk/4m-transverter/

Tim Ellison
On 3/14/2013 5:17 AM, DL2RDH wrote:

Hello ! Is it possiblethattheFLEX-5000 is also workingon 70 MHZ ( 4m Band ) ? 
Vy 73 de Wolfgang, DL2RDH
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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-5000 Antenna Settings for RX2

[Paul Delaney - K6HR]

Hello Gary,

Click on setup, then click the General menu tab, then click RX2 tab.
Here you will see a checkbox for "Disconnect RX2 RF Input on TX

Paul Delaney - K6HR
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http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 

> -Original Message-
> From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
> Gary Smith
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 21:42
> To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] FLEX-5000 Antenna Settings for RX2
> 
> I am using a FLEX-5000A with the RX2 option installed and a single antenna
> for transmit and receive. Can I enable RX2 using the RX1 Tap option
> without
> front end overload damage while transmitting? My antenna settings are as
> follows:
> 
> 
> 
> Receiver 1 = ANT1
> 
> Receiver 2 = RX1 Tap
> 
> Transmit  =  ANT 1
> 
> 
> 
> Lock is checked
> 
> 
> 
> Switch Relay with TR
> 
> TX1 TX2 TX3 all checked
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for advice on this issue.
> 
> Gary WB8BFW
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 band change/control of KPA-500/KAT-500

[Rich - W3ZJ]

I use DDUtil to control the KPA-500 with a standard RS-232 serial cable 
from the computer to the PC port on the KPA-500. Works flawlessly. I 
have a SteppIR antenna which is also controlled via DDUtil and don't 
need a tuner so I'm not sure how that would fit in the mix.


73, Rich - W3ZJ

Randy Diddel wrote:

Hello Flexers,

I am a first time, brand new owner of a Flex 5000A.  Love the radio. I have it 
hooked to a Elecraft KPA500 amp and KAT500 tuner.  There is a serial port that 
runs between the amp and ATU and the amp can be controlled by a K3 and other 
various radios as per the manual.  I know there are some people out there that 
run Flex's with these amps-I have had QSO's with them. Is there a way for 
PowerSDR to control these?  I assume there would be a cable with proprietary 
pin-outs needed.  I did check the Flex Knowledgbase and Google but could not 
find anything useful. If this has been asked before (a lot) please excuse me, I 
am new to the forum. HI.

Thanks in advance!

K5RHD

  

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 band change/control of KPA-500/KAT-500

[Dave Beumer WØDHB]

Randy

The simplest setup is to run your RF connections Flex to KPA to KAT to
antenna.
Run the PTT cable from the Flex to the KAT and from the KAT to the KPA (per
KAT500 manual)

Both units will auto band switch . To use the KAT select your antenna
(1,2,3) and select Mode Auto
To use the Amp, just set it to Oper. Make sure your Flex set for 30 watts
output.

In order to put the KAT500 under computer control, you can use the USB cable
supplied with the KAT and the KAT utility downloaded from

http://www.elecraft.com/KAT500/kat500_software.htm

In to put the KPA under computer control you'll need either a physical
serial port or a USB serial adapter and a straight through (not null modem)
serial cable.

Elecraft has a KPA-500 Utility at 

http://www.elecraft.com/KPA500/kpa500_software.htm

or the preferred method is to use DDUtil which supports the KPA500 and
allows you to specify the correct Flex Drive settings for each band when you
are using the KPA-5000

No other cabling is required.

This is the Reader's digest condensed version, let me know if you have any
questions.

Dave
W0DHB 

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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Randy
Diddel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:08 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 band change/control of KPA-500/KAT-500

Hello Flexers,

I am a first time, brand new owner of a Flex 5000A.  Love the radio. I have
it hooked to a Elecraft KPA500 amp and KAT500 tuner.  There is a serial port
that runs between the amp and ATU and the amp can be controlled by a K3 and
other various radios as per the manual.  I know there are some people out
there that run Flex's with these amps-I have had QSO's with them. Is there a
way for PowerSDR to control these?  I assume there would be a cable with
proprietary pin-outs needed.  I did check the Flex Knowledgbase and Google
but could not find anything useful. If this has been asked before (a lot)
please excuse me, I am new to the forum. HI.

Thanks in advance!

K5RHD

/randy
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base

[Richard Clafton]

Here you go...

http://k5fr.com/ddutilwiki/index.php?title=Remote_On

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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jim 
Jannuzzo
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:19 PM
To: va...@portcredit.net; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base


Mike,I found a picture of the mod in the DDutil Files section:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MEaEUEKtGHT8jmSlO5z6R8tYOKxlH_jnyU3p1m5R6BwEMzOxD_FMyyxB_wKvMfXLQCDDB1
DuXJWf5Z620tPNmKfIMncIC_I/Remote%20Power%20Switch/Remote%20Switch.JPG  It's 
dated 3/2012, For the
life of me, I can't find where the option is in DDutil.  This doesn't mean 
much, since I can't find
the mayo in my refrig until my wife comes home.  I suggest that you inquire on 
the DDu Yahoo forum;
Steve may have found a better way to skin that cat remotely. Jim KJ2P
 I also remember a discussion on the DDutil forums, probably within the past 
year.  > Date: Sun, 21
Oct 2012 12:42:59 -0400
> From: va...@portcredit.net
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> Is there a super secret password to get the mod?  :)
> 
> I'm running JARTs on my TS480 and my remote, and while is going well, I
> need the 5000 filtering!  :)
> 
> This is what the remote screen looks like:
> http://files.qrz.com/w/va3mw/Capture.JPG for Jarts!
> 
> And, yes, that is me with the Quad Copter.  It really helped with the 160M
> almost vertical on my remote base.  It is an inverted L with the L at 80ft
> ish.  :)
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Jim Jannuzzo  wrote:
> 
> >  Mike,
> > There is a mod you can do to OUT OF WARRANTY F5K power switches that
> > allows remote switching.  I've heard of it on the Yahoo forums, either the
> > Flex or DDutil.   (DDu is often used for remoting the Flex, and it even has
> > an option to enable this remote hardware switching).
> > I've also heard of others using a remote-controlled solenoid to push the
> > button in remotely, but that's a lot less elegant.
> > I bet you're the same Mike Walker whose article on the Quadcopter antenna
> > sky hook was published in QST.  Congrats on the publication, and boy do I
> > want GPS enabled quadcopter!.  I messed with gas powered heli's for a few
> > years, until I couldn't afford them anymore.  I figured my spare parts bill
> > was in the five figures.
> > Jim KJ2P
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:57:46 -0400
> > > From: va...@portcredit.net
> > > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> > > Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base
> >
> > >
> > > For you guys using a Flex 5000, what are you doing if you loose all AC
> > and
> > > DC power to the radio? How do you get it turned on?
> > >
> > > As a test, I turned off my DC power supply, and turned it on. The 5000
> > > does not power back up.
> > >
> > > As I see it, I will have to float a 12V battery across the power
> > terminals.
> > > Which, of course, brings another question. What IF I HAVE to power cycle
> > > the 5000? I guess that means I need to remote the 5000 power switch to
> > the
> > > LP-Remote, and I am not sure if that can do that.
> > >
> > > This is critical for a remote that I don't see for 6 months at a time.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > (This is not about using your basic Web Switch :) )
> > >
> > > Mike va3mw
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base

[Jim Jannuzzo]

Mike,I found a picture of the mod in the DDutil Files section: 
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MEaEUEKtGHT8jmSlO5z6R8tYOKxlH_jnyU3p1m5R6BwEMzOxD_FMyyxB_wKvMfXLQCDDB1DuXJWf5Z620tPNmKfIMncIC_I/Remote%20Power%20Switch/Remote%20Switch.JPG
  It's dated 3/2012, For the life of me, I can't find where the option is in 
DDutil.  This doesn't mean much, since I can't find the mayo in my refrig until 
my wife comes home.  I suggest that you inquire on the DDu Yahoo forum;  Steve 
may have found a better way to skin that cat remotely. Jim KJ2P
 I also remember a discussion on the DDutil forums, probably within the past 
year.  > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:42:59 -0400
> From: va...@portcredit.net
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> Is there a super secret password to get the mod?  :)
> 
> I'm running JARTs on my TS480 and my remote, and while is going well, I
> need the 5000 filtering!  :)
> 
> This is what the remote screen looks like:
> http://files.qrz.com/w/va3mw/Capture.JPG for Jarts!
> 
> And, yes, that is me with the Quad Copter.  It really helped with the 160M
> almost vertical on my remote base.  It is an inverted L with the L at 80ft
> ish.  :)
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Jim Jannuzzo  wrote:
> 
> >  Mike,
> > There is a mod you can do to OUT OF WARRANTY F5K power switches that
> > allows remote switching.  I've heard of it on the Yahoo forums, either the
> > Flex or DDutil.   (DDu is often used for remoting the Flex, and it even has
> > an option to enable this remote hardware switching).
> > I've also heard of others using a remote-controlled solenoid to push the
> > button in remotely, but that's a lot less elegant.
> > I bet you're the same Mike Walker whose article on the Quadcopter antenna
> > sky hook was published in QST.  Congrats on the publication, and boy do I
> > want GPS enabled quadcopter!.  I messed with gas powered heli's for a few
> > years, until I couldn't afford them anymore.  I figured my spare parts bill
> > was in the five figures.
> > Jim KJ2P
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:57:46 -0400
> > > From: va...@portcredit.net
> > > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> > > Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base
> >
> > >
> > > For you guys using a Flex 5000, what are you doing if you loose all AC
> > and
> > > DC power to the radio? How do you get it turned on?
> > >
> > > As a test, I turned off my DC power supply, and turned it on. The 5000
> > > does not power back up.
> > >
> > > As I see it, I will have to float a 12V battery across the power
> > terminals.
> > > Which, of course, brings another question. What IF I HAVE to power cycle
> > > the 5000? I guess that means I need to remote the 5000 power switch to
> > the
> > > LP-Remote, and I am not sure if that can do that.
> > >
> > > This is critical for a remote that I don't see for 6 months at a time.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > (This is not about using your basic Web Switch :) )
> > >
> > > Mike va3mw
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base

[Michael Walker]

Hi Jim

Is there a super secret password to get the mod?  :)

I'm running JARTs on my TS480 and my remote, and while is going well, I
need the 5000 filtering!  :)

This is what the remote screen looks like:
http://files.qrz.com/w/va3mw/Capture.JPG for Jarts!

And, yes, that is me with the Quad Copter.  It really helped with the 160M
almost vertical on my remote base.  It is an inverted L with the L at 80ft
ish.  :)

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Jim Jannuzzo  wrote:

>  Mike,
> There is a mod you can do to OUT OF WARRANTY F5K power switches that
> allows remote switching.  I've heard of it on the Yahoo forums, either the
> Flex or DDutil.   (DDu is often used for remoting the Flex, and it even has
> an option to enable this remote hardware switching).
> I've also heard of others using a remote-controlled solenoid to push the
> button in remotely, but that's a lot less elegant.
> I bet you're the same Mike Walker whose article on the Quadcopter antenna
> sky hook was published in QST.  Congrats on the publication, and boy do I
> want GPS enabled quadcopter!.  I messed with gas powered heli's for a few
> years, until I couldn't afford them anymore.  I figured my spare parts bill
> was in the five figures.
> Jim KJ2P
>
> > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:57:46 -0400
> > From: va...@portcredit.net
> > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> > Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 in a remote base
>
> >
> > For you guys using a Flex 5000, what are you doing if you loose all AC
> and
> > DC power to the radio? How do you get it turned on?
> >
> > As a test, I turned off my DC power supply, and turned it on. The 5000
> > does not power back up.
> >
> > As I see it, I will have to float a 12V battery across the power
> terminals.
> > Which, of course, brings another question. What IF I HAVE to power cycle
> > the 5000? I guess that means I need to remote the 5000 power switch to
> the
> > LP-Remote, and I am not sure if that can do that.
> >
> > This is critical for a remote that I don't see for 6 months at a time.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > (This is not about using your basic Web Switch :) )
> >
> > Mike va3mw
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Mike Valentine]

Bill,

Maybe you missed this from yesterday:

"Yes, a 4 dB pad in line with the antenna would be bad for receive.  I'm no 
good at making ascii diagrams and didn't have time to make a real circuit 
drawing, so my word picture wasn't clear enough.

I suggested the extra coax be placed between the T/R relay and the input of the 
amplifier.  That way, the receive path is isolated from the extra coax.

The amplifier most likely employs a DPDT coax relay (or equivalent pair of 
SPDTs) to put it in the circuit only during transmit.  The amplifier has to be 
bypassed during receive or one would have to "listen backwards" through it.  

The extra coax goes between the VU5K side of the DPDT transmit path and the 
amplifier input stage.  There is already a piece of coax in the circuit between 
these points that is only active during transmit.  One simply needs to replace 
the short piece of coax already in the circuit with a piece that is "4 dB 
longer".

I hope the above is a little bit more descriptive."

Cheers,

Mike - W8MM


-Original Message-
From: Bill Ockert - ND0B [mailto:n...@ockert.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:48 PM
To: Mike Valentine; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

Not quite that simple Mike.   Without relaying the attenuator will also be 
in the receive path.

73 de Bill ND0B





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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Bill Ockert - ND0B]

Not quite that simple Mike.   Without relaying the attenuator will also be 
in the receive path.


73 de Bill ND0B


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Valentine

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:15 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

Why not work around the problem by making an attenuator to knock the 52 
watts down to the 20 watts you need?


A cheap piece of RG-58 or smaller (lossier) coax of the right length 
attached to the input of your amp is a guaranteed way to make it work right.


You want a 50/20 = 2.5:1 attenuator which is darn near exactly 4 dB.  Wind 
off 4-dB-loss of coax and put it between the T/R relay and the input of your 
amplifier.   You can use your watt meter to prove you've done it right and 
test the power output before you hook it up.


One caution, make sure the coax can handle 50 watts @ the frequency of 
interest.


Bonus advantage:  The 4 dB pad will make the amplifier think it's in a pure 
50 ohm system instead of looking askance at the output impedance of the 
VU5K.  Potential instability problems from things popping outside the Smith 
Chart circle are magically pulled back inside ;-)


I just love pads!

73,

Mike - W8MM


On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Lyle Fisher wrote:


I am trying to drive an amp with 20 watts with my VU5K. I can not get a
steady ouput from it. It will start out at 20 watts for a few seconds and
then it will slowly drop to 14-15 watts after 30 seconds. At full output I
am getting 52 watts and it will remain steady within 2 watts. But at the
lower wattages it will not.

The case gets very hot also after about 10 minutes of running. If I run a
fan on the Flex 5K case, that l helps the output drifting. I took the 
bottom

cover off and the fan is working. It doesn't seem like it does much.

I sure would like a solution to this problem

Lyle N0LWF

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  2. Re: Flex 5000 VU module (Terry Maurice)
  3. CWDecoder transmit problem (John Vandenberg)
  4. LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
  5. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M ( Robert Costa, KB6QXM )
  6. Using FLEX-3000 above 30 MHz with transverter (Ronald G. Parsons)
  7. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
  8. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
  9. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:08:11 -0600
From: "Jerry Coufal" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <006a01cd77f4$a7498030$f5dc8090$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of the 
Flex
5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble ticket DE725 / 
SW

Defect #703.



Jerry

_





[Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

toddp12
Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:12 -0700



I just purchased a 5000a with VU module, on 144 mhz FM  output is 42watts
this

is into a dummy load with Bird Meter, on SSB output only 15-20 watts. 
Anyone



else had this problem? Thanks Todd



   N4QWZ





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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:02:19 -0400
From: Terry Maurice 
To: Jerry Coufal 
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <5026ba4b.4020...@execulink.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Given the power output of the Flex 5000A with the VU5K option the only 
thing
it is capable of doing is driving a linear amp.  Even at that, it is not 
all
that stable at very low power output levels, so be careful just what kind 
of

linear you might choose to drive with the Flex.

Don't make the mistake that I did and try to operate the Flex 5000A with
VU5K installed to drive a 2m or a 70cm transverter.  Having been quite
unhappy with the 2m performance of my Flex with the VU5K installed, I
purchased a German Kuhne 2m transverter to connect to my Flex 5000.
With the way the VU5K is configured int

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Mike Valentine]

Robert,

When you say "All of this padding and T/R relay seems like a workaround to a 
product that is not stable.", I wonder if you've ever operated high-performance 
VHF/UHF stations before.  The original complaints were about an amplifier that 
only required 20 watts drive for full output and not keeping the system gain 
constant over cold-to-hot transitions so EXACTLY 20 watts could be supplied.

One could make the argument that the amplifier is defective for being too 
sensitive and too easy to overdrive just as easily as making your complaint.  
The single FET amplifiers that only take a few or 20 watts to drive weren't the 
target when VU5K was designed.  All the big gun operators were clamoring for 50 
to 60 watts to drive their 3CX tube amplifiers without needing an 
interstage driver amplifier.  That was then and this its now.  So what?

Please give it a rest.

73, 

Mike - W8MM


On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Robert Costa, KB6QXM wrote:

> All of this padding and T/R relay seems like a workaround to a product that 
> is not stable. I wanted a truly 160-70cm SDR, but the more I read on this 
> thread, the more it seems like external transverters is the way to go. I have 
> some brand new MMC transverters from the late 80s/early 90s. I will try to 
> interface those transverters. 
> 
> Shame, as the V/U module was designed for low signal work.
> 
> I am suprised that Flex management has not chimed in on this topic or thread.
> 
> 73,
> Robert
> KB6QXM
> "Ham Radio Open Conversation"
> Yahoo group owner/moderator
> 
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Mike Valentine" 
> To: "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" 
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
> Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:17 am
> 



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Robert Costa, KB6QXM]

All of this padding and T/R relay seems like a workaround to a product that is 
not stable. I wanted a truly 160-70cm SDR, but the more I read on this thread, 
the more it seems like external transverters is the way to go. I have some 
brand new MMC transverters from the late 80s/early 90s. I will try to interface 
those transverters. 

Shame, as the V/U module was designed for low signal work.

I am suprised that Flex management has not chimed in on this topic or thread.

73,
Robert
KB6QXM
"Ham Radio Open Conversation"
Yahoo group owner/moderator


- Reply message -
From: "Mike Valentine" 
To: "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" 
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:17 am


N4XE,

Yes, a 4 dB pad in line with the antenna would be bad for receive.  I'm no good 
at making ascii diagrams and didn't have time to make a real circuit drawing, 
so my word picture wasn't clear enough.

I suggested the extra coax be placed between the T/R relay and the input of the 
amplifier.  That way, the receive path is isolated from the extra coax.

The amplifier most likely employs a DPDT coax relay (or equivalent pair of 
SPDTs) to put it in the circuit only during transmit.  The amplifier has to be 
bypassed during receive or one would have to "listen backwards" through it.  

The extra coax goes between the VU5K side of the DPDT transmit path and the 
amplifier input stage.  There is already a piece of coax in the circuit between 
these points that is only active during transmit.  One simply needs to replace 
the short piece of coax already in the circuit with a piece that is "4 dB 
longer".

I hope the above is a little bit more descriptive.

Cheers,

Mike - W8MM




On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:22 PM, 
  wrote:

> What about increased noise?  I was educated that loss equates to
> increased noise on receive.
> 
> de nx4e 
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:09:32 + Mike Valentine 
> writes:
>> Patrick,
>> 
>> Yes, of course.  That's why I cautioned to make sure the power 
>> handling of the coax was up to snuff.  There is an absolute power 
>> limit at each operating frequency unique to any particular coax.  
>> It's hotter closer to the transmitting end.
>> 
>> All we have to do is select a coax that can handle 50 watts @ 144 
>> MHz and we're good to go. It's on the data sheet for the coax in 
>> question.
>> 
>> For instance, the 150 MHz (close enough) loss for Times LMR-100 is 
>> 8.9 dB for every 100 feet and it can handle 100 watts average (long 
>> time constant - 10 minutes?) power.  So, there is plenty of power 
>> (heat) margin.  If one wants 4.0 dB loss then simply roll out 
>> (4.0/8.9 x 100) = 45 feet and put connectors on it.
>> 
>> 45 feet of LMR-100 is safe and effective, if a little too long for 
>> convenience.
>> 
>> Choosing somewhat lossier coax would lead to needing less of it.  
>> RG-178 is a Teflon dielectric coax that's very thin and has about 
>> twice the loss of LMR-100 and can handle even more power.  One would 
>> only need 22-25 feet of it for 4.0 dB @ 2 meters.
>> 
>> A little web browsing can be marvelous.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Mike - W8MM
>> 
>> BTW, we used to make precision terminations for 450 MHz testing by 
>> using a 100 ft roll of rg-174 (with nothing at all connected to the 
>> far end). The return loss was twice the attenuation, so the 
>> reflection from the open or short at the far end was much weaker 
>> than the imperfections of the coax characteristics and connector.  
>> Easier, cheaper, and more robust than a precision load.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
>> [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Patrick 
>> Greenlee
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:34 AM
>> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
>> 
>> Wouldn't you want to be careful regarding how lossy the coax is? Too 
>> lossy 
>> and you have to shed all the watts of energy in a short length of 
>> coax so 
>> heating might be a problem where a less lossy but longer 
>> coax/attenuator 
>> would distribute the heat over a larger surface area and not get so 
>> hot.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Mike Valentine" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:15 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
>> 
>>> Why not work around the problem by making an attenuator to knock 
>> the 52 
>>> watts down to the 20 watts 

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Mike Valentine]

N4XE,

Yes, a 4 dB pad in line with the antenna would be bad for receive.  I'm no good 
at making ascii diagrams and didn't have time to make a real circuit drawing, 
so my word picture wasn't clear enough.

I suggested the extra coax be placed between the T/R relay and the input of the 
amplifier.  That way, the receive path is isolated from the extra coax.

The amplifier most likely employs a DPDT coax relay (or equivalent pair of 
SPDTs) to put it in the circuit only during transmit.  The amplifier has to be 
bypassed during receive or one would have to "listen backwards" through it.  

The extra coax goes between the VU5K side of the DPDT transmit path and the 
amplifier input stage.  There is already a piece of coax in the circuit between 
these points that is only active during transmit.  One simply needs to replace 
the short piece of coax already in the circuit with a piece that is "4 dB 
longer".

I hope the above is a little bit more descriptive.

Cheers,

Mike - W8MM




On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:22 PM, 
  wrote:

> What about increased noise?  I was educated that loss equates to
> increased noise on receive.
> 
> de nx4e 
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:09:32 + Mike Valentine 
> writes:
>> Patrick,
>> 
>> Yes, of course.  That's why I cautioned to make sure the power 
>> handling of the coax was up to snuff.  There is an absolute power 
>> limit at each operating frequency unique to any particular coax.  
>> It's hotter closer to the transmitting end.
>> 
>> All we have to do is select a coax that can handle 50 watts @ 144 
>> MHz and we're good to go. It's on the data sheet for the coax in 
>> question.
>> 
>> For instance, the 150 MHz (close enough) loss for Times LMR-100 is 
>> 8.9 dB for every 100 feet and it can handle 100 watts average (long 
>> time constant - 10 minutes?) power.  So, there is plenty of power 
>> (heat) margin.  If one wants 4.0 dB loss then simply roll out 
>> (4.0/8.9 x 100) = 45 feet and put connectors on it.
>> 
>> 45 feet of LMR-100 is safe and effective, if a little too long for 
>> convenience.
>> 
>> Choosing somewhat lossier coax would lead to needing less of it.  
>> RG-178 is a Teflon dielectric coax that's very thin and has about 
>> twice the loss of LMR-100 and can handle even more power.  One would 
>> only need 22-25 feet of it for 4.0 dB @ 2 meters.
>> 
>> A little web browsing can be marvelous.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Mike - W8MM
>> 
>> BTW, we used to make precision terminations for 450 MHz testing by 
>> using a 100 ft roll of rg-174 (with nothing at all connected to the 
>> far end). The return loss was twice the attenuation, so the 
>> reflection from the open or short at the far end was much weaker 
>> than the imperfections of the coax characteristics and connector.  
>> Easier, cheaper, and more robust than a precision load.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
>> [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Patrick 
>> Greenlee
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:34 AM
>> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
>> 
>> Wouldn't you want to be careful regarding how lossy the coax is? Too 
>> lossy 
>> and you have to shed all the watts of energy in a short length of 
>> coax so 
>> heating might be a problem where a less lossy but longer 
>> coax/attenuator 
>> would distribute the heat over a larger surface area and not get so 
>> hot.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Mike Valentine" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:15 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
>> 
>>> Why not work around the problem by making an attenuator to knock 
>> the 52 
>>> watts down to the 20 watts you need?
>>> 
>>> A cheap piece of RG-58 or smaller (lossier) coax of the right 
>> length 
>>> attached to the input of your amp is a guaranteed way to make it 
>> work 
>>> right.
>>> 
>>> You want a 50/20 = 2.5:1 attenuator which is darn near exactly 4 
>> dB.  Wind 
>>> off 4-dB-loss of coax and put it between the T/R relay and the 
>> input of 
>>> your amplifier.   You can use your watt meter to prove you've done 
>> it 
>>> right and test the power output before you hook it up.
>>> 
>>> One caution, make sure the coax can handle 50 watts @ the 
>> frequency of 
>>> inter

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Mike Valentine]

Patrick,

Yes, of course.  That's why I cautioned to make sure the power handling of the 
coax was up to snuff.  There is an absolute power limit at each operating 
frequency unique to any particular coax.  It's hotter closer to the 
transmitting end.

All we have to do is select a coax that can handle 50 watts @ 144 MHz and we're 
good to go. It's on the data sheet for the coax in question.

For instance, the 150 MHz (close enough) loss for Times LMR-100 is 8.9 dB for 
every 100 feet and it can handle 100 watts average (long time constant - 10 
minutes?) power.  So, there is plenty of power (heat) margin.  If one wants 4.0 
dB loss then simply roll out (4.0/8.9 x 100) = 45 feet and put connectors on it.

45 feet of LMR-100 is safe and effective, if a little too long for convenience.

Choosing somewhat lossier coax would lead to needing less of it.  RG-178 is a 
Teflon dielectric coax that's very thin and has about twice the loss of LMR-100 
and can handle even more power.  One would only need 22-25 feet of it for 4.0 
dB @ 2 meters.

A little web browsing can be marvelous.

Cheers,

Mike - W8MM

BTW, we used to make precision terminations for 450 MHz testing by using a 100 
ft roll of rg-174 (with nothing at all connected to the far end). The return 
loss was twice the attenuation, so the reflection from the open or short at the 
far end was much weaker than the imperfections of the coax characteristics and 
connector.  Easier, cheaper, and more robust than a precision load.


-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Patrick Greenlee
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:34 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

Wouldn't you want to be careful regarding how lossy the coax is? Too lossy 
and you have to shed all the watts of energy in a short length of coax so 
heating might be a problem where a less lossy but longer coax/attenuator 
would distribute the heat over a larger surface area and not get so hot.

Patrick

--
From: "Mike Valentine" 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:15 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

> Why not work around the problem by making an attenuator to knock the 52 
> watts down to the 20 watts you need?
>
> A cheap piece of RG-58 or smaller (lossier) coax of the right length 
> attached to the input of your amp is a guaranteed way to make it work 
> right.
>
> You want a 50/20 = 2.5:1 attenuator which is darn near exactly 4 dB.  Wind 
> off 4-dB-loss of coax and put it between the T/R relay and the input of 
> your amplifier.   You can use your watt meter to prove you've done it 
> right and test the power output before you hook it up.
>
> One caution, make sure the coax can handle 50 watts @ the frequency of 
> interest.
>
> Bonus advantage:  The 4 dB pad will make the amplifier think it's in a 
> pure 50 ohm system instead of looking askance at the output impedance of 
> the VU5K.  Potential instability problems from things popping outside the 
> Smith Chart circle are magically pulled back inside ;-)
>
> I just love pads!
>
> 73,
>
> Mike - W8MM
>
>



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Patrick Greenlee]

Wouldn't you want to be careful regarding how lossy the coax is? Too lossy 
and you have to shed all the watts of energy in a short length of coax so 
heating might be a problem where a less lossy but longer coax/attenuator 
would distribute the heat over a larger surface area and not get so hot.


Patrick

--
From: "Mike Valentine" 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:15 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

Why not work around the problem by making an attenuator to knock the 52 
watts down to the 20 watts you need?


A cheap piece of RG-58 or smaller (lossier) coax of the right length 
attached to the input of your amp is a guaranteed way to make it work 
right.


You want a 50/20 = 2.5:1 attenuator which is darn near exactly 4 dB.  Wind 
off 4-dB-loss of coax and put it between the T/R relay and the input of 
your amplifier.   You can use your watt meter to prove you've done it 
right and test the power output before you hook it up.


One caution, make sure the coax can handle 50 watts @ the frequency of 
interest.


Bonus advantage:  The 4 dB pad will make the amplifier think it's in a 
pure 50 ohm system instead of looking askance at the output impedance of 
the VU5K.  Potential instability problems from things popping outside the 
Smith Chart circle are magically pulled back inside ;-)


I just love pads!

73,

Mike - W8MM


On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Lyle Fisher wrote:


I am trying to drive an amp with 20 watts with my VU5K. I can not get a
steady ouput from it. It will start out at 20 watts for a few seconds and
then it will slowly drop to 14-15 watts after 30 seconds. At full output 
I

am getting 52 watts and it will remain steady within 2 watts. But at the
lower wattages it will not.

The case gets very hot also after about 10 minutes of running. If I run a
fan on the Flex 5K case, that l helps the output drifting. I took the 
bottom

cover off and the fan is working. It doesn't seem like it does much.

I sure would like a solution to this problem

Lyle N0LWF

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  2. Re: Flex 5000 VU module (Terry Maurice)
  3. CWDecoder transmit problem (John Vandenberg)
  4. LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
  5. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M ( Robert Costa, KB6QXM )
  6. Using FLEX-3000 above 30 MHz with transverter (Ronald G. Parsons)
  7. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
  8. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
  9. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
 10. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
 11. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:08:11 -0600
From: "Jerry Coufal" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <006a01cd77f4$a7498030$f5dc8090$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of the 
Flex
5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble ticket DE725 / 
SW

Defect #703.



Jerry

_





[Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

toddp12
Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:12 -0700



I just purchased a 5000a with VU module, on 144 mhz FM  output is 42watts
this

is into a dummy load with Bird Meter, on SSB output only 15-20 watts. 
Anyone



else had this problem? Thanks Todd



   N4QWZ





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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:02:19 -0400
From: Terry Maurice 
To: Jerry Coufal 
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <5026ba4b.4020...@execulink.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Given the power output of the Flex 5000A with the VU5K option the only 
thing
it is capable of doing is driving a linear amp.  Even at that, it is not 
all
that stable at very low power output levels, so be careful just what kind 
of

linear you might choose to drive with the Flex.

Don't make the mistake that I did and try to operate the Flex 5000A with
VU5K installed to drive a 2m or a 7

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Robert Costa]

In my humble opinion, what I think is a shame is that with all of the 
engineering knowledge of Flex, that they did engineer a resolution to  the 
issue and then bite the bullet repairing the issues with either a retrofit or 
replacement. The bad press will potentially hurt the reputation of the company 
long-term and some potential future sales. I know that they "other" issues. 
They engineered other solutions and even though it cost them money, they did 
the right thing and made it right with their customers.
 
I support Flex 100%. As far as the customer service of the company, I think 
that they are world-class. More businesses should take notice and provide the 
level of customer service that Flex does.  In my personal opinion, I believe 
that in this case, this was a bad business decision. It is a balance between 
the short-term financials versus the potential loss in reputation and future 
revenues. 
 
I believe that Gerald and his staff are great business people and engineers. I 
just think that this decision not to fix the V/U problems was a big bump in the 
road and not to engineer a replacement so that people could enjoy a mult-mode 
radio that covers 160-70cm in one box. 
 
It is their company.they run it as they see fit. 
 
 
 


 From: Mike Valentine 
To: "flexradio@flex-radio.biz"  
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
  
Why not work around the problem by making an attenuator to knock the 52 watts 
down to the 20 watts you need?

A cheap piece of RG-58 or smaller (lossier) coax of the right length attached 
to the input of your amp is a guaranteed way to make it work right.

You want a 50/20 = 2.5:1 attenuator which is darn near exactly 4 dB.  Wind off 
4-dB-loss of coax and put it between the T/R relay and the input of your 
amplifier.   You can use your watt meter to prove you've done it right and test 
the power output before you hook it up.

One caution, make sure the coax can handle 50 watts @ the frequency of interest.

Bonus advantage:  The 4 dB pad will make the amplifier think it's in a pure 50 
ohm system instead of looking askance at the output impedance of the VU5K.  
Potential instability problems from things popping outside the Smith Chart 
circle are magically pulled back inside ;-)

I just love pads!

73,

Mike - W8MM


On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Lyle Fisher wrote:

> I am trying to drive an amp with 20 watts with my VU5K. I can not get a
> steady ouput from it. It will start out at 20 watts for a few seconds and
> then it will slowly drop to 14-15 watts after 30 seconds. At full output I
> am getting 52 watts and it will remain steady within 2 watts. But at the
> lower wattages it will not.
>
> The case gets very hot also after about 10 minutes of running. If I run a
> fan on the Flex 5K case, that l helps the output drifting. I took the bottom
> cover off and the fan is working. It doesn't seem like it does much.
>
> I sure would like a solution to this problem
>
> Lyle N0LWF
>
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>   1. Flex 5000 VU module (Jerry Coufal)
>   2. Re: Flex 5000 VU module (Terry Maurice)
>   3. CWDecoder transmit problem (John Vandenberg)
>   4. LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
>   5. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M ( Robert Costa, KB6QXM )
>   6. Using FLEX-3000 above 30 MHz with transverter (Ronald G. Parsons)
>   7. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
>   8. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
>   9. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
>  10. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
>  11. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
>
>
> --
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:08:11 -0600
> From: "Jerry Coufal" 
> To: 
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
> Message-ID: <006a01cd77f4$a7498030$f5dc8090$@net>
> Content-Type

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Mike Valentine]

Why not work around the problem by making an attenuator to knock the 52 watts 
down to the 20 watts you need?

A cheap piece of RG-58 or smaller (lossier) coax of the right length attached 
to the input of your amp is a guaranteed way to make it work right.

You want a 50/20 = 2.5:1 attenuator which is darn near exactly 4 dB.  Wind off 
4-dB-loss of coax and put it between the T/R relay and the input of your 
amplifier.   You can use your watt meter to prove you've done it right and test 
the power output before you hook it up.

One caution, make sure the coax can handle 50 watts @ the frequency of interest.

Bonus advantage:  The 4 dB pad will make the amplifier think it's in a pure 50 
ohm system instead of looking askance at the output impedance of the VU5K.  
Potential instability problems from things popping outside the Smith Chart 
circle are magically pulled back inside ;-)

I just love pads!

73,

Mike - W8MM


On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Lyle Fisher wrote:

> I am trying to drive an amp with 20 watts with my VU5K. I can not get a
> steady ouput from it. It will start out at 20 watts for a few seconds and
> then it will slowly drop to 14-15 watts after 30 seconds. At full output I
> am getting 52 watts and it will remain steady within 2 watts. But at the
> lower wattages it will not.
>
> The case gets very hot also after about 10 minutes of running. If I run a
> fan on the Flex 5K case, that l helps the output drifting. I took the bottom
> cover off and the fan is working. It doesn't seem like it does much.
>
> I sure would like a solution to this problem
>
> Lyle N0LWF
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
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>   1. Flex 5000 VU module (Jerry Coufal)
>   2. Re: Flex 5000 VU module (Terry Maurice)
>   3. CWDecoder transmit problem (John Vandenberg)
>   4. LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
>   5. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M ( Robert Costa, KB6QXM )
>   6. Using FLEX-3000 above 30 MHz with transverter (Ronald G. Parsons)
>   7. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
>   8. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
>   9. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
>  10. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
>  11. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:08:11 -0600
> From: "Jerry Coufal" 
> To: 
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
> Message-ID: <006a01cd77f4$a7498030$f5dc8090$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of the Flex
> 5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble ticket DE725 / SW
> Defect #703.
>
>
>
> Jerry
>
> _
>
>
>
>
>
> [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
>
> toddp12
> Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:12 -0700
>
>
>
> I just purchased a 5000a with VU module, on 144 mhz FM  output is 42watts
> this
>
> is into a dummy load with Bird Meter, on SSB output only 15-20 watts. Anyone
>
>
> else had this problem? Thanks Todd
>
>
>
>N4QWZ
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:02:19 -0400
> From: Terry Maurice 
> To: Jerry Coufal 
> Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
> Message-ID: <5026ba4b.4020...@execulink.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Given the power output of the Flex 5000A with the VU5K option the only thing
> it is capable of doing is driving a linear amp.  Even at that, it is not all
> that stable at very low power output levels, so be careful just what kind of
> linear you might choose to drive with the Flex.
>
> Don't make the mistake that I did and try to operate the Flex 5000A with

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Terry Maurice]

Lyle

This is a known fault of the VU5K.  It does not have good power 
stability at the lower end.  In a phone conversation, a senior Flex 
representative acknowledged this shortcoming to me.  With the module 
being discontinued, there will, in all probability, never be a fix for 
this problem.  If I knew then what I know now about the VU5K, I never 
would have spent the money on it.


If your amp will take a higher drive level then you might be better off 
to use the VU5K at the highest level your amp will take.


Terry


On 12/08/2012 17:32, Lyle Fisher wrote:

I am trying to drive an amp with 20 watts with my VU5K. I can not get a
steady ouput from it. It will start out at 20 watts for a few seconds and
then it will slowly drop to 14-15 watts after 30 seconds. At full output I
am getting 52 watts and it will remain steady within 2 watts. But at the
lower wattages it will not.

The case gets very hot also after about 10 minutes of running. If I run a
fan on the Flex 5K case, that l helps the output drifting. I took the bottom
cover off and the fan is working. It doesn't seem like it does much.

I sure would like a solution to this problem

Lyle N0LWF

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2. Re: Flex 5000 VU module (Terry Maurice)
3. CWDecoder transmit problem (John Vandenberg)
4. LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
5. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M ( Robert Costa, KB6QXM )
6. Using FLEX-3000 above 30 MHz with transverter (Ronald G. Parsons)
7. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
8. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
9. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
   10. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
   11. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:08:11 -0600
From: "Jerry Coufal" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <006a01cd77f4$a7498030$f5dc8090$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of the Flex
5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble ticket DE725 / SW
Defect #703.

  


Jerry

_

  

  


[Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

toddp12
Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:12 -0700

  


I just purchased a 5000a with VU module, on 144 mhz FM  output is 42watts
this

is into a dummy load with Bird Meter, on SSB output only 15-20 watts. Anyone


else had this problem? Thanks Todd

  


 N4QWZ

  




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:02:19 -0400
From: Terry Maurice 
To: Jerry Coufal 
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <5026ba4b.4020...@execulink.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Given the power output of the Flex 5000A with the VU5K option the only thing
it is capable of doing is driving a linear amp.  Even at that, it is not all
that stable at very low power output levels, so be careful just what kind of
linear you might choose to drive with the Flex.

Don't make the mistake that I did and try to operate the Flex 5000A with
VU5K installed to drive a 2m or a 70cm transverter.  Having been quite
unhappy with the 2m performance of my Flex with the VU5K installed, I
purchased a German Kuhne 2m transverter to connect to my Flex 5000.
With the way the VU5K is configured into the Flex 5000, it cannot be done,
as the VU5K implementation does not allow either an additional 2m or 70cm
transverter to be operational with the Flex.  If you do not have the VU5K
option then you could use the Flex with any number of 2m or 70cm
transverters.  This to me is a very serious design flaw and along with the
low power output and noisy fan are some of the many reasons they are no
longer offering the VU5K option.

Terry


On 11/08/2012 15:08, Jerry Coufal wrote:

I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of
the Flex 5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble
ticket DE725 / SW Defect #703.

   


Jerry

_

 

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Lyle Fisher]

I am trying to drive an amp with 20 watts with my VU5K. I can not get a
steady ouput from it. It will start out at 20 watts for a few seconds and
then it will slowly drop to 14-15 watts after 30 seconds. At full output I
am getting 52 watts and it will remain steady within 2 watts. But at the
lower wattages it will not.

The case gets very hot also after about 10 minutes of running. If I run a
fan on the Flex 5K case, that l helps the output drifting. I took the bottom
cover off and the fan is working. It doesn't seem like it does much.

I sure would like a solution to this problem

Lyle N0LWF

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   1. Flex 5000 VU module (Jerry Coufal)
   2. Re: Flex 5000 VU module (Terry Maurice)
   3. CWDecoder transmit problem (John Vandenberg)
   4. LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
   5. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M ( Robert Costa, KB6QXM )
   6. Using FLEX-3000 above 30 MHz with transverter (Ronald G. Parsons)
   7. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
   8. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)
   9. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Steve Tripp (K1IIG))
  10. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (David Painter)
  11. Re: LOW POWER OUTPUT ON 2M (Brian Lloyd)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:08:11 -0600
From: "Jerry Coufal" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <006a01cd77f4$a7498030$f5dc8090$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of the Flex
5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble ticket DE725 / SW
Defect #703.

 

Jerry

_

 

 

[Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

toddp12
Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:12 -0700

 

I just purchased a 5000a with VU module, on 144 mhz FM  output is 42watts
this 

is into a dummy load with Bird Meter, on SSB output only 15-20 watts. Anyone


else had this problem? Thanks Todd 

 

N4QWZ 

 



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:02:19 -0400
From: Terry Maurice 
To: Jerry Coufal 
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
Message-ID: <5026ba4b.4020...@execulink.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Given the power output of the Flex 5000A with the VU5K option the only thing
it is capable of doing is driving a linear amp.  Even at that, it is not all
that stable at very low power output levels, so be careful just what kind of
linear you might choose to drive with the Flex.

Don't make the mistake that I did and try to operate the Flex 5000A with
VU5K installed to drive a 2m or a 70cm transverter.  Having been quite
unhappy with the 2m performance of my Flex with the VU5K installed, I
purchased a German Kuhne 2m transverter to connect to my Flex 5000.  
With the way the VU5K is configured into the Flex 5000, it cannot be done,
as the VU5K implementation does not allow either an additional 2m or 70cm
transverter to be operational with the Flex.  If you do not have the VU5K
option then you could use the Flex with any number of 2m or 70cm
transverters.  This to me is a very serious design flaw and along with the
low power output and noisy fan are some of the many reasons they are no
longer offering the VU5K option.

Terry


On 11/08/2012 15:08, Jerry Coufal wrote:
> I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of 
> the Flex 5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble 
> ticket DE725 / SW Defect #703.
>
>   
>
> Jerry
>
> _
>
>   
>
>   
>
> [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module
>
> toddp12
> Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:12 -0700
>
>   
>
> I just purchased a 5000a with VU module, on 144 mhz FM  output is 
> 42watts this
>
> is into a dummy load with Bird Meter, on SSB output only 15-20 watts. 
> Anyone
>
>
> else had this problem? Thanks Todd
>
>   
>
>  N4QWZ
>
>   
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

[Terry Maurice]

Given the power output of the Flex 5000A with the VU5K option the only 
thing it is capable of doing is driving a linear amp.  Even at that, it 
is not all that stable at very low power output levels, so be careful 
just what kind of linear you might choose to drive with the Flex.


Don't make the mistake that I did and try to operate the Flex 5000A with 
VU5K installed to drive a 2m or a 70cm transverter.  Having been quite 
unhappy with the 2m performance of my Flex with the VU5K installed, I 
purchased a German Kuhne 2m transverter to connect to my Flex 5000.  
With the way the VU5K is configured into the Flex 5000, it cannot be 
done, as the VU5K implementation does not allow either an additional 2m 
or 70cm transverter to be operational with the Flex.  If you do not have 
the VU5K option then you could use the Flex with any number of 2m or 
70cm transverters.  This to me is a very serious design flaw and along 
with the low power output and noisy fan are some of the many reasons 
they are no longer offering the VU5K option.


Terry


On 11/08/2012 15:08, Jerry Coufal wrote:

I have the same problem. As I understand the low RF power output of the Flex
5000A VU module is a known defect associated with trouble ticket DE725 / SW
Defect #703.

  


Jerry

_

  

  


[Flexradio] Flex 5000 VU module

toddp12
Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:18:12 -0700

  


I just purchased a 5000a with VU module, on 144 mhz FM  output is 42watts
this

is into a dummy load with Bird Meter, on SSB output only 15-20 watts. Anyone


else had this problem? Thanks Todd

  


 N4QWZ

  


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 power output

[Gerald Capodieci]

Good point!!
I'm waiting till my 1000 fails (or they offer an incentive upgrade -
hi hi), then I'll go for the 5000. Otherwise, I'm really happy with my
1000 and all the great comments even today.
kd6et

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Ray, K9DUR  wrote:
> Alan,
>
> The SDR-1000 required re-calibrating the PA with each version of the
> software.  That is probably what you are remembering.  With the introduction
> of the FLEX-5000 (and later models) the calibration is handled differently,
> so that option is only available if you have an SDR-1000.
>
> Using a string of CW dits to measure output power with an average-reading
> wattmeter, like the Bird Model 43, will always read low since you are
> averaging a non-continuous signal and the average power is less than the
> peak power.
>
> A more accurate way to measure the power is to adjust the tune power level
> to 100 & click on "Tune".  (If you have the ATU, make sure it is in Bypass
> mode.)  That transmits a continuous signal which can be accurately measured
> with an average-reading meter since the average power & the peak power are
> the same.
>
> 73, Ray, K9DUR
> http://k9dur.info
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 power output

[Ray, K9DUR]

Alan,

The SDR-1000 required re-calibrating the PA with each version of the
software.  That is probably what you are remembering.  With the introduction
of the FLEX-5000 (and later models) the calibration is handled differently,
so that option is only available if you have an SDR-1000.

Using a string of CW dits to measure output power with an average-reading
wattmeter, like the Bird Model 43, will always read low since you are
averaging a non-continuous signal and the average power is less than the
peak power.

A more accurate way to measure the power is to adjust the tune power level
to 100 & click on "Tune".  (If you have the ATU, make sure it is in Bypass
mode.)  That transmits a continuous signal which can be accurately measured
with an average-reading meter since the average power & the peak power are
the same.

73, Ray, K9DUR
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 power output

[Gerald Capodieci]

I'll give you my Unofficial tip on power maximization: After running
the calibration, look at the automatic settings 67.5,  59.3 etc. Set
the Tune power to 10 Watts then press the Tune button and record the
power output reading. Then manually alter the automatic settings. If
it were 67.5 change it to 68 or 67 then press the tune button again.
Check the output watts and adjust accordingly till the output on tune
power increases. Do this for any band you want, just never exceed 100
Watts output on voice.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Alan Anderson  wrote:
> My 5000 has always been low on output power. About 80 watts on 20M using dits 
> at about 35 wpm on CW. My supply voltage during the test is 14.5 volts 
> (intentionally over the recommended) measured at the connection on the back 
> of the radio. Measured on a bird 43 with the peak kit. I questioned the 
> readings so on the same power supply my Icom 756 Pro III reads almost exactly 
> 100 watts, same slug and everything, using CW dits as well.
>
> On older versions of the software - apparently you could adjust the power per 
> band, but I think at some point the option was removed. If you get an answer 
> not via the forum, please forward the suggestions to me. I blamed it in the 
> power supply until I bought an Astron VS-50M and tried the test at more 
> voltage than should be required.
>
> BTW on a scope the output power agrees with the watt meter when calibrated 
> for the 100 watts on the bird and the ICOM as a reference. IC 7000 actually 
> does about 125 on the exact same setup, all into a dummy load that shows 
> about 1.1 - 1.2 depending on the band.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Alan / KJ4BIX
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Power Button

[fev]

It happen to me to!! I did the same.
Lu3eec
Francisco
Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Movistar (http://www.movistar.com.ar) 

-Original Message-
From: "Ross Stenberg" 
Sender: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:41:30 
To: Mike - KM0T; 
FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Power Button

It is a momentary contact switch and the panel clearance hole is very close. 
I had to slightly loosen the front panel and shift it a small amount to 
prevent it from sticking.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike - KM0T
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:46 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Power Button

Hi all, just got my flex-5000 going again here and the power switch does not
appear to work.  I noticed it a few months ago that the flex was "on" when
it should not have been.  I have tried to turn off with the blue front
button, but it won't go off.  So I have been pulling the DC plug.  Plugging
the DC back in directly, the flex waits a few seconds and turns "on" without
touching the front panel on switch.  Seems to be working fine other than
that.  Any ideas to "reset" the switch, or is it just a bad switch - failed
in the on position.  Note that the switch does light up with the blue color
when the DC power is applied.



Thanks and 73



Mike - KM0T


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Power Button

[Ross Stenberg]

It is a momentary contact switch and the panel clearance hole is very close. 
I had to slightly loosen the front panel and shift it a small amount to 
prevent it from sticking.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike - KM0T

Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:46 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Power Button

Hi all, just got my flex-5000 going again here and the power switch does not
appear to work.  I noticed it a few months ago that the flex was "on" when
it should not have been.  I have tried to turn off with the blue front
button, but it won't go off.  So I have been pulling the DC plug.  Plugging
the DC back in directly, the flex waits a few seconds and turns "on" without
touching the front panel on switch.  Seems to be working fine other than
that.  Any ideas to "reset" the switch, or is it just a bad switch - failed
in the on position.  Note that the switch does light up with the blue color
when the DC power is applied.



Thanks and 73



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Balanced Input Problem

[amsctalx]

Hi Jim - 

Did you enable that input in the Audio Mixer, which can be found on the menu at 
the top of PSDR? 


Mike Alexander - N8MSA 

amsct...@comcast.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Jerzycke"  
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:16:01 AM 
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Balanced Input Problem 

Hi, everybody 

I'm trying to get my Audio-Technica ATR30 working with the 1/4" TRS 
balanced input on the back of my Flex 5000. 

I've got the 1/4" TRS plug wired correctly to the XLR (Pin 1 to sleeve, 
Pin2 to tip, Pin 3 to ring) , but when I plug it into the balanced input 
jack on the rear of the radio, I get ZERO audio, i.e. NO RF indicated 
when I key the radio and talk 

I know the microphone is good (it's brand new) because I used the same 
microphone, cable, and plug on Field Day with my Yaesu FT-847, and it 
worked *perfectly*. 

I made an adapter from 1/4" TRS to the 8-pin connector Yeasu uses, and 
plugged it into the front of the '847. 

I even received some compliments on the audio. 

I just used this same adapter (1/4" TRS jack to 8-pin round plug) into 
the front panel mic jack on the 5000 and it works. 

I read the Flex manual, and looked in the "Setup" menu to see if I had 
to enable the rear TRS input, but no joy. 

Can anybody clue me in as to what I'm doing wrong? 

Does the balanced input require more drive than the mic itself puts out? 
I tried enabling the "mic boost" in the setup menu, but it didn't seem 
to do anything. 

I'm stumped 

73, Jim KQ6EA 

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 transverter satellite operation option.

[Eric Wachsmann]

Sure.  You can use XVTRs with the FLEX-3000.  The first 2 rows are
dedicated to the FLEX-5000 VU module, but all the others are available.


Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Sytems

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Ronald G. Parsons  wrote:

> Is it possible to use one or two transverters with the FLEX-3000? The XVTR
> menu seems disabled due to no UHF/VHF module. I've searched the wiki and KC
> but nothing found.
>
> Ron W5RKN
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Bordy, NJ1H
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:02 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 transverter satellite operation option.
>
>
> Call me frugal. I bought a Microwave Modules 70cm transverter for $80 at
> the local hamfest and a 2M Janel Laboratories downconverter for $2, yes,
> two dollars. They both work fine with my Flex-5000A . I operate the mode
> B satellites with them and my Flex-5000. I do have GASFET preamps in
> front of both of them. They perform frequency tracking with SatPC32. The
> PowerSDR XVTRs setup panel handles the frequency translation math. I
> also had a chance to buy a 2M Microwave Modules transverter for $150,
> but I passed. I regret that and should have bought it. The point is, the
> Flex-5000 is an excellent satellite radio with external transceiver
> modules. I also have a FT-736R that I operated satellite for years with,
> and I prefer the Flex-5000 with the transverter/converter setup.
>
> Being able to see the whole satellite passband, call CQ, monitor your CQ
> frequency and look for other signals in the downlink passband at the
> same time is really slick. Consider the transverter route to get on
> satellites if the VU5K operation isn't viable.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> NJ1H
>
>
> On 6/1/2012 7:04 PM, Craig Gagner wrote:
>
>> And so the shift begins ... I doubt I will be purchasing one of the new
>> 6000
>> series as it doesn't do 70cm and it took me a long time to get a 5000, the
>> prices quoted are way out of my reach. Maybe Flex can come up with a new
>> design stand alone 2m 70cm rig for satellite work. No way I could justify
>> $1400 for a module on a 5000 especially since its basically obsolete with
>> the latest news posted.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: flexradio-bounces@flex-radio.**biz
>> [mailto:flexradio-bounces@**flex-radio.biz]
>> On Behalf Of Terry Maurice
>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:37 PM
>> To: Greg Jurrens
>> Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] VU5K End of Production Notice
>>
>> Sorry to hear that you are discontinuing this module.  I recently
>> upgraded my Flex 5000A with the VU5K and this announcement leaves me
>> wondering if future versions of PowerSDR will continue to support the
>> module.
>>
>> Additionally, there are a few things about the present software that are
>> not fully integrated with the VU5K module, such as showing that it is
>> connected to Antenna 1 for TX when it is on its own independent antenna.
>>Also, an antenna software bypass loop for the VU5K module would allow
>> the use of a preamplifier to be used with the VU5K.  Is that possible or
>> does it need separate relays?
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 for sale in USA

[paul glassman]

Hi all. I am considering selling my Flex 5000. It is loaded with all options 
and gets about one hour use per month. Included is the Hercules console.  It 
will be replaced by a 6700. $3999 Plus shipping conus. Will consider 
international sale.
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 transverter satellite operation option.

[Ronald G. Parsons]

Is it possible to use one or two transverters with the FLEX-3000? The XVTR 
menu seems disabled due to no UHF/VHF module. I've searched the wiki and KC 
but nothing found.


Ron W5RKN

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Bordy, NJ1H

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:02 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 transverter satellite operation option.

Call me frugal. I bought a Microwave Modules 70cm transverter for $80 at
the local hamfest and a 2M Janel Laboratories downconverter for $2, yes,
two dollars. They both work fine with my Flex-5000A . I operate the mode
B satellites with them and my Flex-5000. I do have GASFET preamps in
front of both of them. They perform frequency tracking with SatPC32. The
PowerSDR XVTRs setup panel handles the frequency translation math. I
also had a chance to buy a 2M Microwave Modules transverter for $150,
but I passed. I regret that and should have bought it. The point is, the
Flex-5000 is an excellent satellite radio with external transceiver
modules. I also have a FT-736R that I operated satellite for years with,
and I prefer the Flex-5000 with the transverter/converter setup.

Being able to see the whole satellite passband, call CQ, monitor your CQ
frequency and look for other signals in the downlink passband at the
same time is really slick. Consider the transverter route to get on
satellites if the VU5K operation isn't viable.

73,
Bill
NJ1H


On 6/1/2012 7:04 PM, Craig Gagner wrote:
And so the shift begins ... I doubt I will be purchasing one of the new 
6000

series as it doesn't do 70cm and it took me a long time to get a 5000, the
prices quoted are way out of my reach. Maybe Flex can come up with a new
design stand alone 2m 70cm rig for satellite work. No way I could justify
$1400 for a module on a 5000 especially since its basically obsolete with
the latest news posted.

-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Terry Maurice
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:37 PM
To: Greg Jurrens
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] VU5K End of Production Notice

Sorry to hear that you are discontinuing this module.  I recently
upgraded my Flex 5000A with the VU5K and this announcement leaves me
wondering if future versions of PowerSDR will continue to support the
module.

Additionally, there are a few things about the present software that are
not fully integrated with the VU5K module, such as showing that it is
connected to Antenna 1 for TX when it is on its own independent antenna.
Also, an antenna software bypass loop for the VU5K module would allow
the use of a preamplifier to be used with the VU5K.  Is that possible or
does it need separate relays?

Terry





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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 transverter satellite operation option.

[Bill Bordy, NJ1H]

The last sentence should have been:

Consider the transverter route to get on satellites if the VU5K option 
isn't viable.



On 6/2/2012 12:02 AM, Bill Bordy, NJ1H wrote:
Call me frugal. I bought a Microwave Modules 70cm transverter for $80 
at the local hamfest and a 2M Janel Laboratories downconverter for $2, 
yes, two dollars. They both work fine with my Flex-5000A . I operate 
the mode B satellites with them and my Flex-5000. I do have GASFET 
preamps in front of both of them. They perform frequency tracking with 
SatPC32. The PowerSDR XVTRs setup panel handles the frequency 
translation math. I also had a chance to buy a 2M Microwave Modules 
transverter for $150, but I passed. I regret that and should have 
bought it. The point is, the Flex-5000 is an excellent satellite radio 
with external transceiver modules. I also have a FT-736R that I 
operated satellite for years with, and I prefer the Flex-5000 with the 
transverter/converter setup.


Being able to see the whole satellite passband, call CQ, monitor your 
CQ frequency and look for other signals in the downlink passband at 
the same time is really slick. Consider the transverter route to get 
on satellites if the VU5K operation isn't viable.


73,
Bill
NJ1H


On 6/1/2012 7:04 PM, Craig Gagner wrote:
And so the shift begins ... I doubt I will be purchasing one of the 
new 6000
series as it doesn't do 70cm and it took me a long time to get a 
5000, the

prices quoted are way out of my reach. Maybe Flex can come up with a new
design stand alone 2m 70cm rig for satellite work. No way I could 
justify
$1400 for a module on a 5000 especially since its basically obsolete 
with

the latest news posted.

-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Terry Maurice
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:37 PM
To: Greg Jurrens
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] VU5K End of Production Notice

Sorry to hear that you are discontinuing this module.  I recently
upgraded my Flex 5000A with the VU5K and this announcement leaves me
wondering if future versions of PowerSDR will continue to support the
module.

Additionally, there are a few things about the present software that are
not fully integrated with the VU5K module, such as showing that it is
connected to Antenna 1 for TX when it is on its own independent antenna.
Also, an antenna software bypass loop for the VU5K module would 
allow

the use of a preamplifier to be used with the VU5K.  Is that possible or
does it need separate relays?

Terry





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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 and RBN - TX starting slowly.

[Ray, K9DUR]

Mike,

Yes, I have seen that before.  It has been a while ago, so my memory is a
little fuzzy about the exact issue.  

However, I believe that if you have break-in enabled (Setup form DSP|Keyer
tab), the problem is an interaction between the CW speed & the break-in
delay setting.  Try increasing speed or changing the break-in delay (either
longer or shorter).

If the break-in delay expires just as the next character is ready to be
sent, the transceiver is already starting to transition from TX to RX.  It
then has to complete that transition & go back to TX, thereby chopping the
next dit or dah.  Note that your problem seemed always to occur at a break
between words.  The default break-in delay setting is 300ms.  I haven't done
the math, but I would guess that at 24 wpm the gap between words (7
dit-lengths) is about 300ms.

73, Ray, K9DUR
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 and RBN - TX starting slowly.

[Rich - W3ZJ]

Mike,

I have not tried the internal keyer with my Flex-3000, I use an external 
Winkeyer USB. I have found that in order to get smooth CW the Firewire 
buffer (PowerSDR, Setup->Audio Tab->Primary Tab) cannot be any larger 
than 512 bytes. The smaller you can make that buffer, the less latency 
you will have. I find that I can run with that buffer set at 256 bytes 
but at 128 bytes I can't use MultiRX. You may also need to play with the 
sample rate, mine is set at 96000. Note that your PC and the quality of 
your Firewire adapter will have an influence over how small you can make 
that buffer before you start having problems.


73, Rich - W3ZJ

Michael Walker wrote:

All

I was doing some testing with the reverse beacon network last night on the
Flex 5000.  This after the great forum on RBN during Dayton and learning
what the skimmers and the RBN can do to help with your antennas and
propogation.

I was sending CQ CQ CQ VA3MW VA3MW VA3MW TEST K.  I was actually using the
computer keyer in PSDR and running at 24 wpm.

The CW Skimmers (all of them) were copying me as either

UA3MW or AA3MW.

I could see a lag in transmitter startup on the first DIT, but this wasn't
the case.  It was mid 'string' stream.

Has anyone seen this before?  It seems like the V, which is the only new
word starting with a DIT was not starting cleanly.

Mike va3mw
  

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Power On\Off Issue

[Ross Stenberg]

Perhaps not related, but my switch power switch does not always make 
good contact. The button used to stick and I had to reposition the front 
panel ever so slightly and it still acts up at times. Sometimes I can 
see the LED sputtering from poor contact. It is not the most reliable 
switch.


On 5/13/2012 6:50 AM, rcole...@twcny.rr.com wrote:

Greetings.  Lately when I attempt to turn on the Flex 5000 nothing 
happens...repeated attempts will eventually result in the power coming on.  
Then when I attempt to turn off the 5000 I have the same issue...won’t turn off 
without repeated attempts.  Press and hold, press quickly and release, 
whatever, it always takes at least 5 or 6 tries.  Suggestions!  Thanks.




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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 IQ VAC 4.11 question...

[jhurry]

Jordan,

Be sure to check you Windows sound driver sample rate settings,  both playback 
and record.   Also make sure that you do not have any of the virtual lines set 
for default Windows sounds..  With PowerSDR disconnected from VAC and CW 
Skimmer closed, you should not see any activity on VAC or in the Virtual 
lines..  If you do then there is some other application or driver trying to use 
VAC...  

73,
Dudley 



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> 
> Has anyone else noted cumulative overrun numbers using VAC 4.11 with CW 
> Skimmer...?
> 
> Thanks...Jordan VE6ZT 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Audio Problem

[W6SDM Steve]

Thanks, Paul.  I checked those and all of my sampling rates are set to
48000.

On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Paul Delaney - K6HR <
paul.hamra...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> I had a similar problem and discovered that I had the Windows 'playback'
> and
> 'recording' properties of the VAC cables set to different sampling rates.
>
> Paul Delaney - K6HR
> http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
> [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of W6SDM Steve
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:01 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Audio Problem
>
> I am hearing my mic audio and CW through the system speakers.  It sounds as
> if there's an echo on SSB.  Here's my configuration:
>
>
> Flex 5000A with  PowerSDR 2.3.5 running VAC 4.11.  Computer is  a Shuttle
> i7 running Windows 7 Ultimate.  I have VAC 1 and 2 working in PowerSDR.  I
> have disabled both and have the same results.
>
>
> Bose Companion 2 speakers are plugged directly in to the back of the Flex.
> I
> tried a different set of speakers and have the same problem.  Even if I
> turn the computer system sound all the way down, I have the problem.
>
>
> If I look at the audio Volume Mixer in Windows  I have one device,
> speakers, which is set for  (speakers, Realtek High Definition Audio).  I
> muted everything including the computer speakers and have the same problem.
>
>
> In the mixer window, I can see all 8 of my virtual audio cables plus a
> Realtek Digital Audio that are not selected.  The applications that are
> present under the volume mixer window are System sounds, CommCat spot
> manager, Mozilla Firefox, and Flex Radio Systems PowerSDR.
>
>
> I know it's not RF because I get the audio feedback even with the amp off
> and power output set to zero.  The only way to stop the feedback is to turn
> the Companion 2 speakers all the way down, or unplug them.
>
>
> What am I missing here?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> W6SDM
>
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Audio Problem

[Paul Delaney - K6HR]

I had a similar problem and discovered that I had the Windows 'playback' and
'recording' properties of the VAC cables set to different sampling rates. 

Paul Delaney - K6HR
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080
 
 
-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of W6SDM Steve
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:01 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Audio Problem

I am hearing my mic audio and CW through the system speakers.  It sounds as
if there's an echo on SSB.  Here's my configuration:


Flex 5000A with  PowerSDR 2.3.5 running VAC 4.11.  Computer is  a Shuttle
i7 running Windows 7 Ultimate.  I have VAC 1 and 2 working in PowerSDR.  I
have disabled both and have the same results.


Bose Companion 2 speakers are plugged directly in to the back of the Flex.
I
tried a different set of speakers and have the same problem.  Even if I
turn the computer system sound all the way down, I have the problem.


If I look at the audio Volume Mixer in Windows  I have one device,
speakers, which is set for  (speakers, Realtek High Definition Audio).  I
muted everything including the computer speakers and have the same problem.


In the mixer window, I can see all 8 of my virtual audio cables plus a
Realtek Digital Audio that are not selected.  The applications that are
present under the volume mixer window are System sounds, CommCat spot
manager, Mozilla Firefox, and Flex Radio Systems PowerSDR.


I know it's not RF because I get the audio feedback even with the amp off
and power output set to zero.  The only way to stop the feedback is to turn
the Companion 2 speakers all the way down, or unplug them.


What am I missing here?



Steve

W6SDM


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 C ?

[William H. Fite]

I think his interest was in whether the motherboard would support
another drive and if there was room for it in the case.

On 1/24/12, Ken Akin  wrote:
> Ed -
>
> On the Windows screen, click on Start (bottom left of the screen), click on
> My Computer.  This gives you a list of all drives.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken  AC0HO
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Ed Stallman  wrote:
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>> Is their a place to add a second Hard Drive in a Flex 5000C ? or dos it
>> have 2 already ?
>>
>> Ed
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 C ?

[Ken Akin]

Ed -

On the Windows screen, click on Start (bottom left of the screen), click on
My Computer.  This gives you a list of all drives.

73,

Ken  AC0HO


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 C ?

[Burt]

you did not break it
Brevity is the soul of wit-Shakespeare

If you are too big for a small job, you are too small for a big job.


--- On Tue, 1/24/12, Ed Stallman  wrote:

> From: Ed Stallman 
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 C ?
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 6:17 AM
> Did I break the reflector with the
> F5k C question ? Or am I not 
> getting mail any longer ? this is a test
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:13 PM 1/22/2012, Ed Stallman wrote:
> >Is their a place to add a second Hard Drive in a Flex
> 5000C ? or dos 
> >it have 2 already ?
> >
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 C ?

[Ed Stallman]

Did I break the reflector with the F5k C question ? Or am I not 
getting mail any longer ? this is a test


Ed




At 06:13 PM 1/22/2012, Ed Stallman wrote:
Is their a place to add a second Hard Drive in a Flex 5000C ? or dos 
it have 2 already ?


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Edwin Marzan]

Let me help clear up the mystery for you Mike. We do it because it's fun!
Any questions, write back and I'll see if I can help you.
Edwin Marzan
AB2VW

> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:29:44 -0500
> From: mat...@netcommander.com
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
> 
> Bill,
>   I'm right there with you. To each their own I guess but why people 
> pour money and time into trying to make their TX SSB signal sound like 
> high fidelity audio is a mystery to me. Same with RX audio, while I do 
> want better quality than what you would get with the tiny speaker 
> included in most Japanese rigs these days,  I don't necessarily need 
> multi speaker surround sound. The main thing that I'm focused on is that 
> my RX be comfortable to listen too for long periods of time.
> Too often in the past the lower priced rigs I've owned cause listener 
> fatigue after short periods. Thankfully with Flex and PowerSDR, even my 
> 1500 with just a pair of small computer speakers let's me listen for 
> hours on end without fatigue.
> That's all I need.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 1/20/2012 7:15 PM, William H. Fite wrote:
> > I'm not one to get all wadded up about communications sound
> > because...well...face it, it is communications audio.  To me, fretting
> > endlessly about the quality of one's sound, buying add-on equalizers,
> > tweaking and tweaking, is an exercise in wasted motion.  To me.
> >
> > I put my effort and my money into the sound system in my listening room.
> >   I'd much rather invest in fine speakers and superb audio electronics to
> > listen to Alan Gilbert's new recording of the Mahler 9th than to pour money
> > into a ham system so that I can listen to someone wax rhapsodical about
> > their prostatectomy, or declaim against Obama's socialism (*pace, *Lee), or
> > drone, "CQ contest...CQ contest...CQ contest..."  Misplaced priorities, so
> > far as I can see.
> >
> > I had a pair of the Bose Companion 2s until I could no longer stand the
> > boomy midbass and peaky treble that Bose has taught so many people to think
> > of as good sound.  I dug around and came up with a little 40wpc stereo amp
> > and an ancient pair of KEF 103s.  The difference was beyond remarkable.
> >   Even for communications audio.
> >
> > Just my opinion and perhaps worth just what you paid for it.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Lee Mushel  wrote:
> >
> >> Indeed, Gary, this is one of the most popular questions on Flex
> >> reflectors. I would like to give you a "general" answer based, as always,
> >> on my own personal experiences.   In the early '50s one of the electronics
> >> magazines published an article on a speaker system the author called "the
> >> sweet sixteen."   It used sixteen four inch general replacement speakers of
> >> the type found at that time in table model radios.  As a 14 year old newly
> >> interested in "high fidelity" I built one and while at the time I thought
> >> it was wonderful of course the theory behind it is questionable and the
> >> results quite horrible.
> >>
> >> But to answer your question, I don't know why more people don't simply go
> >> into their store of retired music reproduction systems and attach to their
> >> radios.   I did that with my Hammarlund HQ-180 long ago and not so long ago
> >> took a SONY ES "receiver" and today "Video 1" is the Flex 3000 and "Video
> >> 2" is the Flex 5000A.   I even built a "take off" of the sweet 16 and built
> >> a "sweet 8" using far better drivers!  My point is that nearly any stereo
> >> components that can be assembled to function as a sound system will be
> >> overkill as far as "speakers" suitable for communications receiver use is
> >> concerned.
> >>
> >> Anything more really just an interesting facet of our ham radio hobby.
> >> Anything that interests and satisfies you is certainly OK.
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Lee  K9WRU
> >> - Original Message - From: "Gary Franklin"
> >> To: "Flex Radio"
> >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:05 AM
> >>
> >> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[dan edwards]

stereo with "BIN" enabled is NICE !!  i THINK it helped me work YB1CCF on 160 
cw this morning for the first time !!.   :-D

creative T-20 powered speakers here. I can take out the TV out here in the 
garage, ha.

73, w5xz, dan

--- On Sat, 1/21/12, ik4...@iperspazio.com  wrote:

From: ik4...@iperspazio.com 
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
To: "Michael Tondee" 
Cc: "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" 
Date: Saturday, January 21, 2012, 3:16 PM

Hi to All I use for my flex 5000a a Dsp BHI  speaker and it work great
The only thing is that is mono, but you know ...do I really need stereo system 
for flex?

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Il giorno 21/gen/2012, alle ore 03:29, Michael Tondee  
ha scritto:

> Bill,
> I'm right there with you. To each their own I guess but why people pour money 
> and time into trying to make their TX SSB signal sound like high fidelity 
> audio is a mystery to me. Same with RX audio, while I do want better quality 
> than what you would get with the tiny speaker included in most Japanese rigs 
> these days,  I don't necessarily need multi speaker surround sound. The main 
> thing that I'm focused on is that my RX be comfortable to listen too for long 
> periods of time.
> Too often in the past the lower priced rigs I've owned cause listener fatigue 
> after short periods. Thankfully with Flex and PowerSDR, even my 1500 with 
> just a pair of small computer speakers let's me listen for hours on end 
> without fatigue.
> That's all I need.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 1/20/2012 7:15 PM, William H. Fite wrote:
>> I'm not one to get all wadded up about communications sound
>> because...well...face it, it is communications audio.  To me, fretting
>> endlessly about the quality of one's sound, buying add-on equalizers,
>> tweaking and tweaking, is an exercise in wasted motion.  To me.
>> 
>> I put my effort and my money into the sound system in my listening room.
>>  I'd much rather invest in fine speakers and superb audio electronics to
>> listen to Alan Gilbert's new recording of the Mahler 9th than to pour money
>> into a ham system so that I can listen to someone wax rhapsodical about
>> their prostatectomy, or declaim against Obama's socialism (*pace, *Lee), or
>> drone, "CQ contest...CQ contest...CQ contest..."  Misplaced priorities, so
>> far as I can see.
>> 
>> I had a pair of the Bose Companion 2s until I could no longer stand the
>> boomy midbass and peaky treble that Bose has taught so many people to think
>> of as good sound.  I dug around and came up with a little 40wpc stereo amp
>> and an ancient pair of KEF 103s.  The difference was beyond remarkable.
>>  Even for communications audio.
>> 
>> Just my opinion and perhaps worth just what you paid for it.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[William H. Fite]

You're right about sound that does not fatigue.  I get picked on for being
an audio snob and/or a Bose basher and the latter may actually be true.  I
am dismayed when I find that people have laid out thousands for Bose
systems with tiny cube speakers and a little sub hiding in the corner.  I
have to stifle myself not to reveal to them that I could have taken them to
Rat Shack, spent one-third the money, and sent them home with better sound.


I talked to a salesman in the local Bose showroom a while back who told me
that the biggest selling point of the current crop of Bose Wave systems is
that they occupy so little space.  Sound, not so much.  Apparent they are
taught to pitch the tiny size to the wives.

Amar Bose was a brilliant acoustic engineer in his time.  If you think back
thirty-five years or so, his Bose 901 design with its nine 4.5" drivers,
one facing forward, eight facing back, was considered to be a good mid-ish
end speaker.  If you had a big room, you put Klipschorns in the corners and
if you had a small room, you hung 901s from the ceiling.  Both systems are
still sold, BTW, though God knows who buys them.

Anyway, Bose has succeeded in convincing a great many people that 200Hz is
"deep, rich bass" but it is their shrill, peaky treble that makes them so
fatiguing to the ear.

Enough from me.  I may have offended some Bose-ohs...Oh Lord, did it again.
 I'll just shut up.




On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Michael Tondee wrote:

> Bill,
>  I'm right there with you. To each their own I guess but why people pour
> money and time into trying to make their TX SSB signal sound like high
> fidelity audio is a mystery to me. Same with RX audio, while I do want
> better quality than what you would get with the tiny speaker included in
> most Japanese rigs these days,  I don't necessarily need multi speaker
> surround sound. The main thing that I'm focused on is that my RX be
> comfortable to listen too for long periods of time.
> Too often in the past the lower priced rigs I've owned cause listener
> fatigue after short periods. Thankfully with Flex and PowerSDR, even my
> 1500 with just a pair of small computer speakers let's me listen for hours
> on end without fatigue.
> That's all I need.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
> On 1/20/2012 7:15 PM, William H. Fite wrote:
>
>> I'm not one to get all wadded up about communications sound
>> because...well...face it, it is communications audio.  To me, fretting
>> endlessly about the quality of one's sound, buying add-on equalizers,
>> tweaking and tweaking, is an exercise in wasted motion.  To me.
>>
>> I put my effort and my money into the sound system in my listening room.
>>  I'd much rather invest in fine speakers and superb audio electronics to
>> listen to Alan Gilbert's new recording of the Mahler 9th than to pour
>> money
>> into a ham system so that I can listen to someone wax rhapsodical about
>> their prostatectomy, or declaim against Obama's socialism (*pace, *Lee),
>> or
>>
>> drone, "CQ contest...CQ contest...CQ contest..."  Misplaced priorities, so
>> far as I can see.
>>
>> I had a pair of the Bose Companion 2s until I could no longer stand the
>> boomy midbass and peaky treble that Bose has taught so many people to
>> think
>> of as good sound.  I dug around and came up with a little 40wpc stereo amp
>> and an ancient pair of KEF 103s.  The difference was beyond remarkable.
>>  Even for communications audio.
>>
>> Just my opinion and perhaps worth just what you paid for it.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Lee Mushel
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Indeed, Gary, this is one of the most popular questions on Flex
>>> reflectors. I would like to give you a "general" answer based, as always,
>>> on my own personal experiences.   In the early '50s one of the
>>> electronics
>>> magazines published an article on a speaker system the author called "the
>>> sweet sixteen."   It used sixteen four inch general replacement speakers
>>> of
>>> the type found at that time in table model radios.  As a 14 year old
>>> newly
>>> interested in "high fidelity" I built one and while at the time I thought
>>> it was wonderful of course the theory behind it is questionable and the
>>> results quite horrible.
>>>
>>> But to answer your question, I don't know why more people don't simply go
>>> into their store of retired music reproduction systems and attach to
>>> their
>>> radios.   I did that with my Hammarlund HQ-180 long ago and not so long
>>> ago
>>> took a SONY ES "receiver" and today "Video 1" is the Flex 3000 and "Video
>>> 2" is the Flex 5000A.   I even built a "take off" of the sweet 16 and
>>> built
>>> a "sweet 8" using far better drivers!  My point is that nearly any stereo
>>> components that can be assembled to function as a sound system will be
>>> overkill as far as "speakers" suitable for communications receiver use is
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> Anything more really just an interesting facet of our ham radio hobby.
>>> Anything that int

Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[ik4...@iperspazio.com]

Hi to All I use for my flex 5000a a Dsp BHI  speaker and it work great
The only thing is that is mono, but you know ...do I really need stereo system 
for flex?

Inviato da iPad

Il giorno 21/gen/2012, alle ore 03:29, Michael Tondee  
ha scritto:

> Bill,
> I'm right there with you. To each their own I guess but why people pour money 
> and time into trying to make their TX SSB signal sound like high fidelity 
> audio is a mystery to me. Same with RX audio, while I do want better quality 
> than what you would get with the tiny speaker included in most Japanese rigs 
> these days,  I don't necessarily need multi speaker surround sound. The main 
> thing that I'm focused on is that my RX be comfortable to listen too for long 
> periods of time.
> Too often in the past the lower priced rigs I've owned cause listener fatigue 
> after short periods. Thankfully with Flex and PowerSDR, even my 1500 with 
> just a pair of small computer speakers let's me listen for hours on end 
> without fatigue.
> That's all I need.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 1/20/2012 7:15 PM, William H. Fite wrote:
>> I'm not one to get all wadded up about communications sound
>> because...well...face it, it is communications audio.  To me, fretting
>> endlessly about the quality of one's sound, buying add-on equalizers,
>> tweaking and tweaking, is an exercise in wasted motion.  To me.
>> 
>> I put my effort and my money into the sound system in my listening room.
>>  I'd much rather invest in fine speakers and superb audio electronics to
>> listen to Alan Gilbert's new recording of the Mahler 9th than to pour money
>> into a ham system so that I can listen to someone wax rhapsodical about
>> their prostatectomy, or declaim against Obama's socialism (*pace, *Lee), or
>> drone, "CQ contest...CQ contest...CQ contest..."  Misplaced priorities, so
>> far as I can see.
>> 
>> I had a pair of the Bose Companion 2s until I could no longer stand the
>> boomy midbass and peaky treble that Bose has taught so many people to think
>> of as good sound.  I dug around and came up with a little 40wpc stereo amp
>> and an ancient pair of KEF 103s.  The difference was beyond remarkable.
>>  Even for communications audio.
>> 
>> Just my opinion and perhaps worth just what you paid for it.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Michael Tondee]

Bill,
 I'm right there with you. To each their own I guess but why people 
pour money and time into trying to make their TX SSB signal sound like 
high fidelity audio is a mystery to me. Same with RX audio, while I do 
want better quality than what you would get with the tiny speaker 
included in most Japanese rigs these days,  I don't necessarily need 
multi speaker surround sound. The main thing that I'm focused on is that 
my RX be comfortable to listen too for long periods of time.
Too often in the past the lower priced rigs I've owned cause listener 
fatigue after short periods. Thankfully with Flex and PowerSDR, even my 
1500 with just a pair of small computer speakers let's me listen for 
hours on end without fatigue.

That's all I need.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 1/20/2012 7:15 PM, William H. Fite wrote:

I'm not one to get all wadded up about communications sound
because...well...face it, it is communications audio.  To me, fretting
endlessly about the quality of one's sound, buying add-on equalizers,
tweaking and tweaking, is an exercise in wasted motion.  To me.

I put my effort and my money into the sound system in my listening room.
  I'd much rather invest in fine speakers and superb audio electronics to
listen to Alan Gilbert's new recording of the Mahler 9th than to pour money
into a ham system so that I can listen to someone wax rhapsodical about
their prostatectomy, or declaim against Obama's socialism (*pace, *Lee), or
drone, "CQ contest...CQ contest...CQ contest..."  Misplaced priorities, so
far as I can see.

I had a pair of the Bose Companion 2s until I could no longer stand the
boomy midbass and peaky treble that Bose has taught so many people to think
of as good sound.  I dug around and came up with a little 40wpc stereo amp
and an ancient pair of KEF 103s.  The difference was beyond remarkable.
  Even for communications audio.

Just my opinion and perhaps worth just what you paid for it.

Bill




On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Lee Mushel  wrote:


Indeed, Gary, this is one of the most popular questions on Flex
reflectors. I would like to give you a "general" answer based, as always,
on my own personal experiences.   In the early '50s one of the electronics
magazines published an article on a speaker system the author called "the
sweet sixteen."   It used sixteen four inch general replacement speakers of
the type found at that time in table model radios.  As a 14 year old newly
interested in "high fidelity" I built one and while at the time I thought
it was wonderful of course the theory behind it is questionable and the
results quite horrible.

But to answer your question, I don't know why more people don't simply go
into their store of retired music reproduction systems and attach to their
radios.   I did that with my Hammarlund HQ-180 long ago and not so long ago
took a SONY ES "receiver" and today "Video 1" is the Flex 3000 and "Video
2" is the Flex 5000A.   I even built a "take off" of the sweet 16 and built
a "sweet 8" using far better drivers!  My point is that nearly any stereo
components that can be assembled to function as a sound system will be
overkill as far as "speakers" suitable for communications receiver use is
concerned.

Anything more really just an interesting facet of our ham radio hobby.
Anything that interests and satisfies you is certainly OK.

73

Lee  K9WRU
- Original Message - From: "Gary Franklin"
To: "Flex Radio"
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:05 AM

Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers




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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Ralph W5JGV]

> "sweet 8" using far better drivers!  My point is that nearly any stereo
> components that can be assembled to function as a sound system will be
> overkill as far as "speakers" suitable for communications receiver use is
> concerned.


Yeah, and when you tune to a properly modulated AM station like KWKH who
fully occupies their 20 KHz bandwidth slot on the dial and then switch your
F5K over to synchronous AM mode, full bandwidth, the results are very nice
indeed!

Makes one wonder why FM was ever invented.

73,

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Brian Lloyd]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM, William H. Fite  wrote:
> I had a pair of the Bose Companion 2s until I could no longer stand the
> boomy midbass and peaky treble that Bose has taught so many people to think
> of as good sound.  I dug around and came up with a little 40wpc stereo amp
> and an ancient pair of KEF 103s.  The difference was beyond remarkable.
>  Even for communications audio.

Yup! $50 at a garage sale will often produce amazing results.

> Just my opinion and perhaps worth just what you paid for it.

No Bill, I am right there with you.

And lest we forget that famous one-liner:

"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word.
...
 Headphones."

-- 
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[William H. Fite]

I'm not one to get all wadded up about communications sound
because...well...face it, it is communications audio.  To me, fretting
endlessly about the quality of one's sound, buying add-on equalizers,
tweaking and tweaking, is an exercise in wasted motion.  To me.

I put my effort and my money into the sound system in my listening room.
 I'd much rather invest in fine speakers and superb audio electronics to
listen to Alan Gilbert's new recording of the Mahler 9th than to pour money
into a ham system so that I can listen to someone wax rhapsodical about
their prostatectomy, or declaim against Obama's socialism (*pace, *Lee), or
drone, "CQ contest...CQ contest...CQ contest..."  Misplaced priorities, so
far as I can see.

I had a pair of the Bose Companion 2s until I could no longer stand the
boomy midbass and peaky treble that Bose has taught so many people to think
of as good sound.  I dug around and came up with a little 40wpc stereo amp
and an ancient pair of KEF 103s.  The difference was beyond remarkable.
 Even for communications audio.

Just my opinion and perhaps worth just what you paid for it.

Bill




On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Lee Mushel  wrote:

> Indeed, Gary, this is one of the most popular questions on Flex
> reflectors. I would like to give you a "general" answer based, as always,
> on my own personal experiences.   In the early '50s one of the electronics
> magazines published an article on a speaker system the author called "the
> sweet sixteen."   It used sixteen four inch general replacement speakers of
> the type found at that time in table model radios.  As a 14 year old newly
> interested in "high fidelity" I built one and while at the time I thought
> it was wonderful of course the theory behind it is questionable and the
> results quite horrible.
>
> But to answer your question, I don't know why more people don't simply go
> into their store of retired music reproduction systems and attach to their
> radios.   I did that with my Hammarlund HQ-180 long ago and not so long ago
> took a SONY ES "receiver" and today "Video 1" is the Flex 3000 and "Video
> 2" is the Flex 5000A.   I even built a "take off" of the sweet 16 and built
> a "sweet 8" using far better drivers!  My point is that nearly any stereo
> components that can be assembled to function as a sound system will be
> overkill as far as "speakers" suitable for communications receiver use is
> concerned.
>
> Anything more really just an interesting facet of our ham radio hobby.
> Anything that interests and satisfies you is certainly OK.
>
> 73
>
> Lee  K9WRU
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Franklin" 
> To: "Flex Radio" 
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:05 AM
>
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
>
>
>  I am sure this has been asked many times but I am new to Flex Radio.
>> Can anyone recommend a set of good speakers I can use on my Flex 5000?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gary ,  K8BKB
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Lee Mushel]

Indeed, Gary, this is one of the most popular questions on Flex reflectors. 
I would like to give you a "general" answer based, as always, on my own 
personal experiences.   In the early '50s one of the electronics magazines 
published an article on a speaker system the author called "the sweet 
sixteen."   It used sixteen four inch general replacement speakers of the 
type found at that time in table model radios.  As a 14 year old newly 
interested in "high fidelity" I built one and while at the time I thought it 
was wonderful of course the theory behind it is questionable and the results 
quite horrible.


But to answer your question, I don't know why more people don't simply go 
into their store of retired music reproduction systems and attach to their 
radios.   I did that with my Hammarlund HQ-180 long ago and not so long ago 
took a SONY ES "receiver" and today "Video 1" is the Flex 3000 and "Video 2" 
is the Flex 5000A.   I even built a "take off" of the sweet 16 and built a 
"sweet 8" using far better drivers!  My point is that nearly any stereo 
components that can be assembled to function as a sound system will be 
overkill as far as "speakers" suitable for communications receiver use is 
concerned.


Anything more really just an interesting facet of our ham radio hobby. 
Anything that interests and satisfies you is certainly OK.


73

Lee  K9WRU
- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Franklin" 

To: "Flex Radio" 
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers


I am sure this has been asked many times but I am new to Flex Radio. 
Can anyone recommend a set of good speakers I can use on my Flex 5000?


Thanks
Gary ,  K8BKB

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[manualman]

I use an old 50 watt stereo amplifier ($5 flea market purchase) and a
pair of book shelf 3-way speakers ($2 each yard sale). Each enclosure
includes a 12 inch woofer. Adds a new dimension to wall-to-wall short
wave listening and ham band operating. Caution, listening to summer
static and lightening crashes with the volume up can scare the heck out
of pets, spouses, etc. using this system.

Pete, wa2cwa
http://www.manualman.com

> > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:44 -0500
> > From: franklin6...@att.net
> > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> > Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
> > 
> > I am sure this has been asked many times but I am new to Flex 
> > Radio. Can anyone recommend a set of good speakers I can use 
> on my 
> > Flex 5000?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Gary , K8BKB

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Jim Cox]

Also use the T20 series and been very happy with them.  No rf problems 
through the speakers either on any band.  I have a cheap pair of Altec 
Lansing and I really had to filter them to remove RF .


Jim K4JAF


-Original Message- 
From: Edwin Marzan

Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:33 AM
To: franklin6...@att.net ; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers


I use these and they sound great and look nice. YMMV

Creative GigaWorks T20 Series II 2.0 Multimedia Speaker System with BasXPort 
Technology


About 95 bucks on Amazon.


Edwin Marzan AB2VW



Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:44 -0500
From: franklin6...@att.net
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

I am sure this has been asked many times but I am new to Flex
Radio. Can anyone recommend a set of good speakers I can use on my
Flex 5000?

Thanks
Gary , K8BKB

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Paul Delaney - K6HR]

Samson Media One 3a's are also nice:


http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/studio-monitors/media-one/mediaone
3a/

Paul Delaney - K6HR
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> -Original Message-
> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-bounces@flex-
> radio.biz] On Behalf Of Edwin Marzan
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 09:33
> To: franklin6...@att.net; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
> 
> 
> I use these and they sound great and look nice. YMMV
> 
> Creative GigaWorks T20 Series II 2.0 Multimedia Speaker System with
> BasXPort Technology
> 
> About 95 bucks on Amazon.
> 
> 
> Edwin Marzan AB2VW
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:44 -0500
> > From: franklin6...@att.net
> > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> > Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
> >
> > I am sure this has been asked many times but I am new to Flex
> > Radio. Can anyone recommend a set of good speakers I can use on my
> > Flex 5000?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Gary , K8BKB
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Edwin Marzan]

I use these and they sound great and look nice. YMMV
 
Creative GigaWorks T20 Series II 2.0 Multimedia Speaker System with BasXPort 
Technology
 
About 95 bucks on Amazon.


Edwin Marzan AB2VW
 

> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:44 -0500
> From: franklin6...@att.net
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers
> 
> I am sure this has been asked many times but I am new to Flex 
> Radio. Can anyone recommend a set of good speakers I can use on my 
> Flex 5000?
> 
> Thanks
> Gary , K8BKB
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 Speakers

[Dan Garrett]

Newegg.com has the Bose Companion 2 on sale for $50.  They have been
recommended here before and they are great on my F3K.

73 de wy0o, _dan garrett
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> I am sure this has been asked many times but I am new to Flex Radio.
>  Can anyone recommend a set of good speakers I can use on my Flex 5000?



> Thanks
> Gary ,  K8BKB
>

73 de wy0o
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output

[Ed Wilson]

Colleagues,

As suggested, I finally got around to making a set of measurements at drive 
levels of 50 and 100. The results seem to show some non-linearity (as 
expected), but not enough to account for my original findings for the digital 
modes. Here are the measurements:

Band        Power (CWU, 50)        Power (CWU, 100)      VSWR
160                55                                99                    1.6
80                  51                                98                    1.4
40                  50                                91                    1.3
30                  54                                95                    1.2
20                  55                                94                    1.2
17                  55                                94                    1.2
15                  63                                100                  1.2
12                  57                                90                    1.2
10                  63                                101                  1.2
6                    57                                88                    1.3


I again used the PSDR output power meter for these measurements.

Ed, K0KC



 From: Ed Wilson 
To: "flexradio@flex-radio.biz"  
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 10:23 AM
Subject: Flex-5000 Power Output
 

Colleagues,

I took some measurements on my Flex-5000A this morning using a dummy load. The 
measurements are as follows:


Band        Tune Power (CWU)    VSWR        RTTY (-1 dB, DIGU)        PSK-31 
(-1dB, DIGU)

160    100                        1.6                    44             
                   51
80    98                        1.4                    47           
                     56
40    93        1.3                    44           
                     51
30    96        1.2                    50           
                     45
20    95        1.2                    60           
                     68
17    96        1.1                    55           
                     61
15    100      1.1                    75            
                    77
12    93        1.2                    81           
                     79
10    101      1.2                    87            
                    89
6  89        1.4        
60   68

I generated the RTTY and PSK-31 signals with DM-780 v 5.0 and adjusted for an 
ALC value of -1 dB. My question is why does my power output almost double from 
the lower bands to the upper bands (except for 6 meters) when using the digital 
modes and conversely why are the power outputs lower on the lower frequency 
bands while the tune power remains fairly constant? I am using PowerSDR 2.2.3 
and VAC.

I apologize in advance if the formatting does not reproduce well on your 
browser. I used tabs, but it appears that they just translate to spaces.

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output

[Ed Wilson]

Good idea, Al...thanks!

Ed, K0KC




 From: Al K0VM 
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; ed.wil...@ymail.com 
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output
 
I might be interesting to repeat the Tune power test with the Drive set 
to 50 instead of 100..

( Different PA linearity curves on different bands ??? )

AL, K0VM

On 1/9/2012 12:00 PM, flexradio-requ...@flex-radio.biz wrote:
> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:23:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ed Wilson
> To:"flexradio@flex-radio.biz"  
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Colleagues,
>
> I took some measurements on my Flex-5000A this morning using a dummy load. 
> The measurements are as follows:
>
>
> Band??? ??? Tune Power (CWU)??? VSWR??? ??? RTTY (-1 dB, DIGU)??? ??? PSK-31 
> (-1dB, DIGU)
>
> 160??? 100??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 1.6??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 44??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 51
> 80??? 98??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 1.4??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 47??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 56
> 40??? 93??? ??? 1.3??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 44??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 51
> 30??? 96??? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 50??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 45
> 20??? 95??? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 60??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 68
> 17??? 96??? ??? 1.1??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 55??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 61
> 15??? 100? ??? 1.1??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 75??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 77
> 12??? 93??? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 81??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 79
> 10??? 101? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 87??? ??? 
> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 89
> 6? 89??? ??? 1.4??? ??? 
> 60???68
>
> I generated the RTTY and PSK-31 signals with DM-780 v 5.0 and adjusted for an 
> ALC value of -1 dB. My question is why does my power output almost double 
> from the lower bands to the upper bands (except for 6 meters) when using the 
> digital modes and conversely why are the power outputs lower on the lower 
> frequency bands while the tune power remains fairly constant? I am using 
> PowerSDR 2.2.3 and VAC.
>
> I apologize in advance if the formatting does not reproduce well on your 
> browser. I used tabs, but it appears that they just translate to spaces.
>
> Ed, K0KC
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output

[Al K0VM]

I might be interesting to repeat the Tune power test with the Drive set 
to 50 instead of 100..


( Different PA linearity curves on different bands ??? )

AL, K0VM

On 1/9/2012 12:00 PM, flexradio-requ...@flex-radio.biz wrote:

Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:23:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Wilson
To:"flexradio@flex-radio.biz"  
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output
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Colleagues,

I took some measurements on my Flex-5000A this morning using a dummy load. The 
measurements are as follows:


Band??? ??? Tune Power (CWU)??? VSWR??? ??? RTTY (-1 dB, DIGU)??? ??? PSK-31 
(-1dB, DIGU)

160??? 100??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 1.6??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 44??? ??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 51
80??? 98??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 1.4??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 47??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 56
40??? 93??? ??? 1.3??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 44??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 51
30??? 96??? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 50??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 45
20??? 95??? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 60??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 68
17??? 96??? ??? 1.1??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 55??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 61
15??? 100? ??? 1.1??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 75??? ??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 77
12??? 93??? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 81??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 79
10??? 101? ??? 1.2??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 87??? ??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 89
6? 89??? ??? 1.4??? ??? 
60???68

I generated the RTTY and PSK-31 signals with DM-780 v 5.0 and adjusted for an 
ALC value of -1 dB. My question is why does my power output almost double from 
the lower bands to the upper bands (except for 6 meters) when using the digital 
modes and conversely why are the power outputs lower on the lower frequency 
bands while the tune power remains fairly constant? I am using PowerSDR 2.2.3 
and VAC.

I apologize in advance if the formatting does not reproduce well on your 
browser. I used tabs, but it appears that they just translate to spaces.

Ed, K0KC



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output

[Ed Wilson]

Yes




 From: Ross Stenberg 
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Power Output
 
Interesting results Ed. Were the power readings taken with the PowerSDR meter?



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