Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
I would strip graze it using electric fence (assuming it's grass and weeds not harmful to horses). That way it will take you quite a way through the winter... Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 10/31/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we do to minimize the mud is to put down loads of pit gravel in the most heavily used areas - near the gates, around the water troughs and over their main traffic areas. The problem at first, of course, is that you won't know where the traffic areas are. I was reading that 'pea' gravel is good -- that must be a similar type of gravel to the 'pit'. Even if I don't know the most travelled areas I could assume near gates, the run-in and where I feed and water and work from there. V
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On 10/31/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked my sometimes farmer husband and he said he'd ask the folks who live around you, remembering (I suspect) how very helpful our farmer neighbors were when we moved here. The neighbours don't have any animals but I did see some horse fencing a few miles away, I'll have to introduce myself. V
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On 10/31/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virginia, will the horses be on it this winter? If so, by the time they are on it, the nutritional value will be gone and it will make for excellent foraging. Hubby was reading that we shouldn't let the horses out on the pasture in winter--it damages the pasture. So I'm not sure what to do--keep them on a sacrifice lot all winter? I was planning the sacrifice pen to be 100 x 200 -- is that big enough for 2 ponies all winter? I don't want to ruin the pasture or let my ponies get sick or fat either V.
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would strip graze it using electric fence (assuming it's grass and weeds not harmful to horses). That way it will take you quite a way through the winter... That sounds good. How do I know when to move the fencing? Would fencing off an acre at a time be OK or would it be too small? V
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Hubby was reading that we shouldn't let the horses out on the pasture in winter--it damages the pasture. So I'm not sure what to do-keep them on a sacrifice lot all winter? It WILL damage the pasture...but then, I've consciously worked to get my pastures to a prime state of damage. :) Prime pastures are generally too much for horses, especially easy-keeping ponies. After 20 years, Virginia, I still vacillate about pasture management, but I have come to realize that I don't want the lush pastures that most animal husbandry books would have you believe that you need.Good pastures cost more to maintain, and cause more health problems than poor pastures.Of course, the downside to poor pastures is the inevitable mud. Welcome to my world, where nothing is ever easy, and I always doubt my choices!And, of course, two ponies aren't a lot of foot traffic - they won't damage an area like, for instance, twice that many big horses. You can probably try a compromise management program to begin with. If I were you, I'd use the pastures some, but not enough for the horses to get hugely fat, or to wear out any one smaller area. You could, for instance, keep them in your sacrifice lot during the muddiest periods, or for part of the day every day, only letting them out to romp for a couple of hours per day, or on the nicer days. I don't know if you've ever noticed how many cross-fences show up in my pictures. We're always adding cross-fences with gates - look for flexible options, where you can open up or close areas easily, depending on the grass and the weather. A paddock of 100x200 is only about 1/2 acre. That's probably ok if you will also be turning them out for periods about every day, but if I were going to keep them on it all winter, I'd want at least twice that much room for two I think. It's not like you don't have the acreage! Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.15/1101 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 10:06 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:15:44 -0300, you wrote: That sounds good. How do I know when to move the fencing? Would fencing off an acre at a time be OK or would it be too small? If it was me, I would fence off about quarter of an acre, then once that is eaten down thoroughly, move the strip fence about a metre per day all the way along the longest side, so the horses always have fresh clean grass to eat. If they don't eat it right down, you're giving them too much - if they are sucking the roots an hour after you've moved it, it's not enough! ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] More Sidepull Pictures
I tried the Dr Cook on my MFT and he wouldn't stop very well. So I sold it on Ebay Lorraine The thing I noticed with the Dr. Cook (like many bridles), if you pull on both reins to stop, the bridle snugs up at all the pressure points and they can brace and go. If you use a gentle one rein stop or with Lilja, if she doesn't stop by seat cue, I just close my hands for a moment and release. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Composting manure
On 10/31/07, Anna Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every so often, when I have 1-2 feet of poop, I sprinkle powdered lime on it, using a large old strainer. It looks like a big powdered donut. Haha! Love the visuals this gave me! Thank you--this sounds very do-able. Could I also add kitchen scraps? We have a garden area so the resulting compost would come in very handy! V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:30:16 -0400, you wrote: the lush pastures that most animal husbandry books would have you believe that you need. Most animal husbandry books cater for the dairy or meat industry where you want the animal to get lots of goodness to make meat or milk. With our short-fat--and-hairies the only thing you'll get from that is fat! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] The perfect ride
Good boy Dagur! I have a friend who broke her back in two places over a mountain bike incident. Of course, the riders were pedaling, not resting, but they're scarey creatures no matter what. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
That sounds good. How do I know when to move the fencing? Would fencing off an acre at a time be OK or would it be too small? We rarely move fences - we move horses instead. We put up good, solid perimeter fence, and cross-fence off smaller areas. The cross-fenced areas have gates, so that we can constantly re-arrange the herds for grazing, etc. But, once we put up the cross-fences, they usually stay up. With as much land as you have, I'd think a couple of one-acre paddocks would be nice to have, or maybe a half-acre and a full acre adjoining that could be opened together, or closed as you see fit. A couple of my paddocks are even smaller, but I don't keep many horses in those areas, certainly not for extended periods. We have a couple of 1/4 acre paddocks, two at 1 acre, one at 1.5 acres, and the remainder of our pastures are in 3-8 acre areas, which can be opened and combined as we see fit. (We also have tiny 15 feet x 30 feet paddocks attached to each of three stalls, but those are for emergency type use only, for temporary convenience, or for visitors. I really just consider those as stall-extensions, not really what we're talking about here.) This wasn't exactly a long-range plan or anything though - it's just what has evolved over the years and works pretty well for us. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.15/1101 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 10:06 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Stable-grid also works really well at the gates and under water tanks. It's a plastic grid usually used for stall flooring. We dug a little under the gates and a few feet out on each side, put the stable grid down and then put gravel over it. It holds the gravel in place and drains well. www.stable-grid.com Cherie North Carolina Lilja, Tyra, and Roka
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A paddock of 100x200 is only about 1/2 acre. That's probably ok if you will also be turning them out for periods about every day, but if I were going to keep them on it all winter, I'd want at least twice that much room for two I think. It's not like you don't have the acreage! We were thinking to have a 100 x 200 sacrifice paddock with a run-in shed and that's where we would keep the horses most of the time, feed them, etc and there would be a gate opening to a larger pasture where we would let them loose part of the day, depending on weather. The 100 x 200 would be fenced with a wood fence -- 6 x 6 posts 8 ft apart with 3 - 2 x 6 rails. The larger pasture would be electric. Does this sound OK? V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was me, I would fence off about quarter of an acre, then once that is eaten down thoroughly, move the strip fence about a metre per day all the way along the longest side, How do you move fence posts in winter? V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
If you want to use strip grazing, take a look at www.graziersystem.com they have the sturdiest portable fencing. I got the 50 foot round pen size and we used it to contain two horses when we first moved to NC so they could aclimmate to the grass. You can train in it (without the electric on) and I've used it as a single electric fence to portion off parts of fields. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
We were thinking to have a 100 x 200 sacrifice paddock with a run-in shed and that's where we would keep the horses most of the time, feed them, etc and there would be a gate opening to a larger pasture where we would let them loose part of the day, depending on weather The 100 x 200 would be fenced with a wood fence -- 6 x 6 posts 8 ft apart with 3 - 2 x 6 rails. The larger pasture would be electric. Does this sound OK? It sounds great to me. I'm not sure what the tradition is in Canada, but here's a tidbit: standard 8-foot boards you buy at the lumber stores are almost always something like 7-feet, 10 inches. (I think - less than 8 feet anyway.) We spaced our board fences about 7.5-feet to be sure we could always buy stock lumber for quick repairs, without having to buy 12-foot boards. We also found that 2x8 boards are not much more expensive than 2x6's, and are a good bit sturdier. You might want to check the costs in your area. We used treated boards, the type one might use for outdoor projects like decks. They will eventually dry and crack (some of ours are almost 20 years old) but they won't rot. Honestly though, as nice as the board fence looks, I really like the horse wire with a 2x8 sight-board better than the pure board fence - safer and less maintenance! Board fence is nice though. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.15/1101 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 10:06 AM
[IceHorses] How we handle pasture
Virginia, You will find about as many methods of managing horses and pasture as you will find owners, but we finally left our flat irrigated farm land for a hay field and put the horses/ponies on the dry hillside. That way, we manage their intake. Even full-sized horses get fat on irrigated pasture. Because it is hillside, we don't get too much in the way of mud bogs, but this is the Pacific Northwest. It does get muddy no matter what we do. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
How do you move fence posts in winter? V The more relevant question around here would be: how do you get your husband to move ANY fence?! :) Mine's pretty good at putting up fence, but he's not much on moving one after it's up! I can move the step-in posts myself, but anything else and I need his help. I'd bet the step-in's might not work so well for you, since your ground without doubt freezes more deeply than ours does, but I could be wrong. Even when I use the step-in posts, I use something stronger for the corners - they aren't the sturdiest posts as you can imagine! Still, I think we (Cherie, Mic and I) are basically on the same page, and pretty much agree with what you're planning to do. The details will vary somewhat regionally, depending on factors like how rocky is your soil, how rich your grass, how deep does your ground freeze, how much ice/mud do you get, and how many horses on any given area. Unfortunately, I think you'll have to figure out the details on your own. I'm hoping to have the details of our management perfectly worked out in maybe another 20 years :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.15/1101 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 10:06 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:52:56 -0300, you wrote: How do you move fence posts in winter? Electric fence posts? The plastic variety with metal points, designed to be portable? Maybe you don't get them there? Or does your ground freeze rock solid all day for days on end? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] More Sidepull Pictures
and I have that side-pull piece that attaches to a regular bridle that you guys are discussing now Here is the type of sidepull I use. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORSE-BITLESS-BRIDLE-ROPE-HACKAMORE-BOSAL-BLACK-YELLOW_W 0QQitemZ260173624958QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item. I got it months ago and I haven't even tried it yet! I can try it and report back or send it to one on you to try... Either way, I'd like to know how well it works. Mura likes the RJ one we are using and responds well to it. It's so funny when you have someone riding her that has never used a bitless bridle/sidepull before - without fail they always hesitantly say Now you're sure this will stop her - It's funny. Especially since she's such a wild thiung! - Not! I want to try it with Doppa. It will be interesting to see how she responds to it. I haven't had her in a sidepull yet. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what the tradition is in Canada, but here's a tidbit: standard 8-foot boards you buy at the lumber stores are almost always something like 7-feet, 10 inches. (I think - less than 8 feet anyway.) We spaced our board fences about 7.5-feet to be sure we could always buy stock lumber for quick repairs, without having to buy 12-foot boards. I told this to my husband and he said that he knew about it so I'm sure he'll take that in to consideration. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Electric fence posts? The plastic variety with metal points, designed to be portable? Maybe you don't get them there? Or does your ground freeze rock solid all day for days on end? We probably can get them here--I've never worked with fencing before (city girl) so everything is new to me. V
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them on a sacrifice lot all winter? I was planning the sacrifice pen to be 100 x 200 -- is that big enough for 2 ponies all winter? I don't want to ruin the pasture or let my ponies get sick or fat either V - I have 2 ponies on 2 acres and they have eaten it down to nothing (though I didn't have the greatest grass established to begin with) I have 2 other 1/2 acre areas that I turn them into for an hour or so a day to get something green to munch on. In our area the general rule is that you need 2 acres/horse of you want to keep your pasture green. I wouldn't call this ideal but it's what I have to work with and it makes it easy to control the horses weight. I'm with Karen - a lush green pasture is beautiful but it can be deadly to our ponies. The thing that baffles me is that I know horses (icelandics included) that are kept 24/7 on a pretty lush pasture and seem to do fine - a little plump but not dangerously so. In fact, that is how Doppa was kept the 2 years before she came to me. It was that farm owners contention that if they are kept that way all the time that they will regulate themselves - it seemed to work for him. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
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I don't think we have those here--I've looked on our government websites and couldn't find any listings. V V - The folks at your local Feed and Seed can really be helpful - just make sure they are familiar with horses and not just cows. I have gotten a lot of useful help that way -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
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On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, that is how Doppa was kept the 2 years before she came to me. It was that farm owners contention that if they are kept that way all the time that they will regulate themselves - it seemed to work for him. The pastures at Maple Leaf Icelandic Horse Farm were lush and I saw the horses there more than in the sacrifice pensI don't think I want my chubby Gat in lush fields though. V
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On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The folks at your local Feed and Seed can really be helpful - just make sure they are familiar with horses and not just cows. I have gotten a lot of useful help that way Thank you--I'll check that out. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Honestly though, as nice as the board fence looks, I really like the horse wire with a 2x8 sight-board better than the pure board fence - safer and less maintenance! Of all the horse fencing I have seen and been around in different farms, I think ends up being the most practical, safest, most predator proof and long lasting. If I weren't in the neighborhood situation I am in, it definitely would have been the way I would have gone. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:15:44 -0300, you wrote: If it was me, I would fence off about quarter of an acre, then once that is eaten down thoroughly, move the strip fence about a metre per day all the way along the longest side, so the horses always have fresh clean grass to eat. If they don't eat it right down, you're giving them too much - if they are sucking the roots an hour after you've moved it, it's not enough! ; ) Thanks! V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.stable-grid.com Thank you for the link--I'll keep that for reference. Looks like it works really well. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to use strip grazing, take a look at www.graziersystem.com they have the sturdiest portable fencing. That looks handy! Thanks for the link. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
I've had several conversations about pasturing the ponies with the other girl I know who bought an Icelandic from Niels West. All his Icelandics were on beautiful large rolling grass-covered hills. Here in Southern Oregon, their Lina had to be pulled off grass several times this summer because she was really blimping up. Our two mares are on what is essentially a dry lot. We both wonder how the horses could maintain a healthy weight at the breeder's and not here. Maybe it's true that if grass is all they ever experience, they only eat what they need. It would scare me, however. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I think you'll have to figure out the details on your own. I'm hoping to have the details of our management perfectly worked out in maybe another 20 years : There's just no way you can get around the trial and error and fix mistakes part of it. You can avoid a lot of mistakes by good planning but every situation is different and you will be sharing what you could have done better in the future with the next person. -- Yeah, I expect that--ithis will be a great learning experience. I'm just so glad to have such great feedback from this list. It's one thing to read in books, but to have personal experiences back up things I've read is just great. I'm happy to know that I can bounce things off everyone here. V
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
I think it's nice looking. Is it expensive? V It's in the same ballpark with board fence when you pay someone to put it up. (Cary has installed all of ours after we paid for the initial fencing.) Back about 1988, I seem to remember that the horse wire with a sight board was about the same as three-board fence, but less than four-board fence. I have no idea if that's still true. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
The thing that baffles me is that I know horses (icelandics included) that are kept 24/7 on a pretty lush pasture and seem to do fine - a little plump but not dangerously so. In fact, that is how Doppa was kept the 2 years before she came to me. It was that farm owners contention that if they are kept that way all the time that they will regulate themselves - it seemed to work for him. There might be a morsel of truth in the self-regulation theory, but I wouldn't bank on it. I simply think some horses don't have the genetic tendencies to Insulin resistance/Cushings/whatever metabolic disorder. I think it's likely that most fat horses are in some danger, but how would these people explain how one fat horse in a herd might founder, while another equally fat one doesn't...on exactly the same pasture?I also think that age is a factor. We do hear of young horses having laminitis, but the frequency climbs with age - Holly was 9 or 10 when she had her first bout, and that was pretty young. (I've heard of some being much younger, but most seem to be at least that old, or older.) Mac, however, was at least as fat as Holly during those years, and he never had a problem, and he was two years older. We had them both for about 7-8 years, on some of the lushest grass we've ever had, before we had our first instance. I could easily have deduced that TWH never founder on rich grass during those first years, but it wouldn't have been correct. So, instead of the self-regulation, I'd betcha some of those people just haven't had their lucky-clocks run out yet! When I first got Icelandic's, I often heard that they never founder (yes, it's in the archives, for that person who is bound to say never happened - sigh) but I've heard of many cases since. I think part of the deal is that either it was ignored, or people who had horses who suffered were shamed into silence, for not riding their fat horses enough. I read that admonition several times to the first few people who admitted their horses had laminitis. We've had three past instance of laminitis in our herd, and I'm praying we'll never have another...but I also know that my herd is aging...and I know that even thin horses can get laminitis... Karen Thomas, NC, No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think ends up being the most practical, safest, most predator proof and long lasting. I think it's nice looking. Is it expensive? V More so than electric but in this area, cheaper than all board - just be dure you are looking at Horse wire, not just plain 2X4 welded wire. The Diamond mesh is my favorite but probably the most expensive. You can google wire mesh horse fencing and see lots of pics and ides. http://www.diamondmesh.com.au/ Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:29:30 -0800, you wrote: Maybe it's true that if grass is all they ever experience, they only eat what they need. It would scare me, however. Our youngsters and brood mares all have large (for the UK!) areas of grass, moor and heathland to range in, and ad-lib haylage in the winter. They are well-covered but not fat. BUT!!! this is pasture that has never been improved, never had fertiliser near it, which is full of herbs, wildflowers and weeds as well as grass. They lose some weight in the winter (they do not get any grain, though they have salt and mineral licks). I only once had an Icelandic that had been allowed free range on proper pasture (40 acres of dairy cow pasture). She was actually NOT that fat - but she had had recurring chronic laminitis for 5 years (her owner could not understand why she was so often lame and thought she had damaged her shoulder, or had a back problem, or something she was one of our first rescue horses, 20 years ago). Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
More so than electric but in this area, cheaper than all board - just be dure you are looking at Horse wire, not just plain 2X4 welded wire. The Diamond mesh is my favorite but probably the most expensive. You can google wire mesh horse fencing and see lots of pics and ides. Yep, the cheaper 2x4 welded wire is fine for dog pens, fenced yards, etc, but will pop WAY too easily with much stress (like with a horse kick, or a horse leaning) and it can leave nasty, jagged edges that are very dangerous. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
I only once had an Icelandic that had been allowed free range on proper pasture (40 acres of dairy cow pasture). She was actually NOT that fat - but she had had recurring chronic laminitis for 5 years (her owner could not understand why she was so often lame and thought she had damaged her shoulder, or had a back problem, or something she was one of our first rescue horses, 20 years ago). Yes, the fatness of a horse can be a good clue, a good warning sign, but it's certainly not fool proof. Many older horses who founder from Cushing's are actually pretty thin - my farrier estimated that maybe 25-35% of the founder cases he works on are with very thin horses. The majority may be overweight, but certainly a notable percentage aren't. I'm convinced that the root causes of these situations is internal to the horse, and sadly we can't always see the risk factors before it's too latespeaking from experience, I'm afraid. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More so than electric but in this area, cheaper than all board - just be dure you are looking at Horse wire, not just plain 2X4 welded wire. The Diamond mesh is my favorite but probably the most expensive. You can google wire mesh horse fencing and see lots of pics and ides. http://www.diamondmesh.com.au/ Our local Co-Op feed store has an ad for the horse fencing--I'll call them. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Unfortunately, I think you'll have to figure out the details on your own. I'm hoping to have the details of our management perfectly worked out in maybe another 20 years : V - There's just no way you can get around the trial and error and fix mistakes part of it. You can avoid a lot of mistakes by good planning but every situation is different and you will be sharing what you could have done better in the future with the next person. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think ends up being the most practical, safest, most predator proof and long lasting. I think it's nice looking. Is it expensive? V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
Yes. I think Lina is 5, Tosca 4 and Yrsa 3, but the question for us has been how he could manage an entire herd (I think 30 or so) on open pasture and not have trouble managing weight. There was every age there from foals to mares and one gelding in their teens. All appeared to be carrying a normal weight. They had, by the way, no shelters either. There was a sturdy barn with stalls, but horses were only brought in if they needed some kind of special handilng. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:50:29 -0400, you wrote: Many older horses who founder from Cushing's In the UK, there's a real difference between laminitis and founder - is it the same in the USA, or do you use the terms interchangeably? Here, founder is a specific term only used when refering to a horse which has sudden, acute laminitis resulting in rather severe pedal bone rotation (often as a result of getting onto lush pasture or breaking into the feed shed), while laminitis is a more cover-all term used for the chronic or the acute condition. In my experience, the vast majority of laminitic ponies over here have originally got laminitis through being overweight. And mostly, they got to be fat in the first place by the usual route - too much food, not enough exercise. Sigh. I know that one (or maybe I have Cushings??? ; )) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
Yes. I think Lina is 5, Tosca 4 and Yrsa 3, but the question for us has been how he could manage an entire herd (I think 30 or so) on open pasture and not have trouble managing weight. I've never seen a herd of free grazing Icelandic's that didn't have some serious weight problems in the mature horses...if you look closely enough. In fact, it's hard to find a herd of restricted-grazing Icelandics where at least a few have weight problems. Sometimes the fur and manes hide a lot. And of course, there are a few lines that just don't seem to have the tendencies to obesity - Trausti and Eitill stay reasonably slim, and even have to be supplemented sometimes when some others of ours are fat. We've joked that about the only thing left to do for Sina is to stop worming her... Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Hi Virginia, The new place is going to be so fun for you! Personally I wouldn't mow the pasture. Curious how big is it? I doubt two horses will do any noticeable damage to it. You're likely to only see damage near the gate where they'll exuberantly peel-out throwing a bit of dirt and sod. Once your ground is frozen for the winter they won't do any damage to the ground, likely not even right at the gate. I am guessing you won't be able to move even steel tip electric fence poles once the ground is frozen (unless it's really not all that cold where you'll be). I know it is rare here that we can move a pole after the real freeze hits. The members from the south don't seem to have a grasp of just what real frozen ground is! ;o) Your horses will enjoy the chew-time they'll get out on the pasture and it will help keep them from chewing on your board fence, shelter, etc. The roughage they'll get eating the dead grasses will also produce a lot of heat that will keep them warm over the winter. No matter what the weather is they will be happy to go out on the pasture every day! :o) I would only keep them in during very rare dangerously low temperatures. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com PS Where? :o)
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:01:05 -0400, you wrote: I've never seen a herd of free grazing Icelandic's that didn't have some serious weight problems in the mature horses... In our lot, only youngsters, brood mares and oldies get free grazing. The riding horses (or ones of that sort of age, mares who are not in foal etc) are restricted, especially in the spring. I was looking at one of the fields today. Four horses, total years between them 111 ! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
--- Anneliese Virro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/30/07 3:27 PM, Lin Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any experiences of a mare foaling in pasture with a gelding instead of another mare? Oh yesDis and Glama have foaled out on a 2000 acre pasture in a big herd of geldings, mares and babies, yearlings etc... Skyfaxa prefers to foal with Foss, the Stallion...he watches over them and she can get some rest I only put mares who are about to foal in a place where they are comfortable with the surroundings and the pasture matesI find that afterwards they usually stay on the edge of the herd a little bit at least for a few days And we also do not watch them...we try to let them be...it can be hardbut we found that the more we watch for a baby, the longer it takes. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] coat shine supplement
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am supplementing Jaspar now for weight, with Platform Weight Formula by Farnum from Tractor supply that is 99% fat, If I ate 99% fat I would glow too! Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
I was looking at one of the fields today. Four horses, total years between them 111 ! I have a herd here that between the 4 have 104 years! They get pretty much unrestricted grazing. Three of them (mares) come in when the boys go out. The gelding can go out with the boys and chooses to about 1/2 the time. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
[IceHorses] A Second Perfect Ride
I had a lesson on my horse Blessi today. He was in a low energy, very mellow, but extremely responsive mood. It was such a lovely lesson as he responded to every indirect rein, shift of weight, etc. It is amazing how much we have learned in the past year. As a beginning rider, Blessi used to tune out a lot of my rein and seat info since it was meaningless--loss of balance, too much rein, too little rein, etc., and try to figure out what I really wanted. Now my seat, reins, and legs are a little more coordinated and we are really tuning in. Blessi will be Blessi. The instructor was having us practice leg yields. She complemented us on how floaty and soft Blessi was during our third try at the leg yield. I had to laugh and confess that Blessi had figured out that as we came round the corner and went down the side about 2/3s of the way across the arena, we were going to do a leg yield. And he did a perfect leg yield with no help from me. But it felt so good today when Blessi was working with me on such soft commands. About 2 years ago, Blessi and I worked on the Unwrap the Pony or Spin the Pony--I forget what it is officially called but Judy mentioned in a posting last week. We got the original exercise off of Judy's site even though we were not a member at the time. The exercise was really good since it: - got the horse responsive to indirect pressure - suppled the horse - got the horse used to having the rope around his hocks and/or butt - involved lots of carrots - enabled the horse to figure something out - seemed to help with polite behavior when leading the horse through gates - entertains/impresses visitors when you show them how your horse can spin or unwrap himself Blessi really liked this exercise. In the past year, I have been focusing on improving my riding skills--just working up to a trot and some other basics. I would like to do more ground exercises since Blessi gets such a kick out of them. A question to the group: What additional exercises can you recommend that we can work on?
[IceHorses] Icelandic saddle and Amish harness for sale
Astund Special saddle for sale. It is black with an 18 quilted seat, knee blocks, and a wide tree. This is a nice saddle and it fits a moderately wide horse. Price $900 plus shipping without fittings, $950 plus shipping with fittings. Icelandic (large pony/cob) size, black, Amish made leather harness for sale. Includes 4.5 half spoon snaffle bit, extra overchecks, reins, and miscellaneous leather straps for attaching to a cart. It fits my 13.2hh pony at the upper limits, but there is still room for adjustment. Price $350.00 plus shipping. Email me if you are interested - djakni1 @ yahoo.com OR k_ee2000 @ hotmail.com. Put saddle or harness in the subject. -Kristen in upper MI __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
In the UK, there's a real difference between laminitis and founder - is it the same in the USA, or do you use the terms interchangeably? They are different, but related terms. Laminitis is the root disease, actually a symptom of something else being awry, where the lamina become inflamed. Founder is actually the rotation of the coffin bone, which doesn't ALWAYS occur after laminitis, but often (usually?) does. The two terms are often used interchangeably in the common vernacular though, and that doesn't bother me. while laminitis is a more cover-all term used for the chronic or the acute condition. I think the suffix itis refers to inflammation, doesn't it? In my experience, the vast majority of laminitic ponies over here have originally got laminitis through being overweight. And mostly, they got to be fat in the first place by the usual route - too much food, not enough exercise. No, that's not exactly what research is showing. The fact that the horses were overweight was probably not literally the cause of the laminitis. Both the overweight condition AND the resulting laminitis stem from the same metabolic condition - research is just now getting into unraveling all these root causes, so I suspect that today's theories will continue to be refined for many years. If it were just the overweight and lack of exercise, many more horses would founder than do, even in the same herds. Think of it like diabetes. Some people simply won't get diabetes no matter what...but if someone has the tendency towards it, they can certainly prolong its onset, possibly even permanently, with diet and exercise. However, we also know some relatively thin people who are diabetics. My dad was only a few pounds overweight when he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes when he was 47 years old. He was one of the most physically fit and active people I've ever known, but he still came down with diabetes. I'm convinced it was just going to happen to him. He was, however, able to control it with just diet and exercise for about 20 years, but after that, he had to go on insulin. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] ideal job
wow i sure missed my calling. I work with permitting for land developments etc and I worked on one project for a new equestrian subdivision with a common area that will be a huge barn and trails etc and then the subdivision lots all around. At the very end the girl who works there came in to pick up the final development order and she said you know we paid 35,000 to a woman as a consultant to tell us how to do the horse stuff, where to locate the barn, what sort of barn we should get, where an area should be for the manure... I had no idea manure was such a big deal with horse people. I wonder how you hire yourself out as a person who tells greedy rich developers where to put their manure? I bet it took that woman only two or three days work to make 35,000 bucks... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
In the UK, there's a real difference between laminitis and founder - is it the same in the USA, or do you use the terms interchangeably? Technically, yes there is a difference in the terms here too. But they are often used interchangeably, especially by laymen. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
The members from the south don't seem to have a grasp of just what real frozen ground is! ;o) Cheryl, it was Mic from Wales that mentioned moving the posts...but maybe she's from the south of Wales...? :) I don't really care - all any of us can do is share OUR experiences, and I'm sure that is good advice from Mic, based on where she lives. In fact, I mentioned Virginia not being able to move the posts as a possibility, so I'm not sure who it was from the south you'd be referring to. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Nasi in Horse's Clothing
HAHA!!! My gosh, he demolished that roll of hay in short order didnt he!!! But nasi? No. More like Stonewall. Stonewall is always pushing the rolls of hay off their pallets :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
The members from the south don't seem to have a grasp of just what real frozen ground is! ;o) You're right Cheryl and that's why it's good for V to hear from folks like you that deal with the much colder temps. We couldn't dig fence posts this summer with a tractor auger becasue the ground was too hard from the drought. That's why it's also good to talk to folks in your area because they've been there. I wouldn't be afraid to go up and knock on a door and ask questions. I did it here and ended up with some nice friends as a result. Once they realize you're not selling anything, they are usually anxious to help. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter - Roy Rogers
Re: [IceHorses] The perfect ride
yes its very odd sometimes what spooks them. But like that autistic woman who wrote a book recently Temple Grand something, she says horses see in pictures. anyway. Jaspar, as dead broke as a horse gets, once started blowing and snorting and dancing backwards when a man came around the corner on a trail wearing a bright red coat, plaid shorts, knee high socks, a red wool beret, and carrying a huge walking staff. I guess Jaspar thought he was either a terrible fashion statement or he was gonna hit him with that big stick! What gets me tho is when your horse starts freaking out and you tell people waitwaitwait STOP and they go what?? and just keep coming on their bicycle, whatever. Do they see no relation in their appearance and the horse freaking? Same with cars. So many times I have held up my hand to a car speeding toward us and they dont even slow! that just amazes me. You can always tell people who have been around horses. They will slow and practically stop and wait quietly for you to go by :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] storm colic
Anyone know anything about this? I have heard it and seen it and now am 100 percent convinced my Fox has it. he doesnt colic EVERY time a front moves thru, but when he DOES colic it is ALWAYS when a front is moving thru. And it isnt typical rolling, sweating colic. He just lies down and is off his feed and just lays there like he just doesnt feel good. I get him up and walk him and he never gets bad off, will pick at his feed, then when the storm moves thru he's fine. What on earth could cause storm colic?!?!? Its very weird. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: Should I mow?
I use to use the conventional way of pasturing my horses, with a dry lot, now I have a track system, see pictures below, and I put the horses out to pasture for a couple hours a day, I have found that my horses are happier, they move more, so are in better shape physically and mentally, since have lots of gravel, their hooves stay in MUCH better shape too I did have to go back to two herds as Duke and Jewel, My dominant geldings just could not keep from hurting each other so, now they each have a companion I can switch up the tracks so they get some variety... honestly, this is the best system, I have not read Jamie Jackson's book but after hearing about his book, I went out and fenced off the middle of all my turn outs and instantly had tracks... his book is called Pasture Paradise -- I and my horses love our track system, take a look~~~ http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
[IceHorses] The stupidest video
This should get an award for stupidest redneck video of the year! A friend sent it to me cause he thinks its very rednecky where I live. I am just amazed anyone would be stupid enough to do this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytlCOm1FGk Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
self regulating? Well, if nasi will eat mentholated kitty litter without self regulation janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] More Sidepull Pictures
Jaspar in a sidepull goes whoo hooo! I can do whatever I want! which for him means unlimited snacking on the trail instead of paying attention. Iguess if you had a horse that wanted to do something other than unlimited snacking it could be a real problem... I am a believer that anytime you go to something less severe you should be really careful... I knew a seemingly really well trained obedient dead broke walking horse that had been ridden all his life in a severe long shanked walking horse bit that was sold to someone who put him in a dee ring snaffle and he bolted, became a bolter in fact. But he had been raised and trained and ridden all his life by one man, so I imagine the new owner had some new ways about her that seemed scarey/frustrating/surprising to him, then the new bit... Myt friend delores bought a paso mare that has always been ridden in a harsh shanked spoon bit and she took it off her and put her in a snaffle and she was an uncontrollable maniac. I guess obviously, the horses needed some training along with the new bit so if you want to change to something milder its best to take the time to train. Like Jaspar, I think all horses take advantage. But Tivar was trained to the sidepull and does not take advantage. conversely, the few times I decided to ride him in a bit--- ok, i confess the reason, I wanted to put a PRETTY BRIDLE on him :) and he aggravated me to death clacking and gnawing the bit like he just hated it. So we have to wear his plain sidepull and i am still scheming on how to bling it up janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
i just want to say that you never know when the nicest horse in the world will suddenly turn on a baby. I have seen it. Had to in fact help the owner chase it down and save the baby when it was cornered. I dont know what on earth would make the gelding attack and chase a baby like that. It wasnt newborn, was about 6 weeks old, and the mother just seemed blase... I thought oh they are playing but no, it got scarey. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Nasi in Horse's Clothing
i am posting this to gaited horse Judy! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] coat shine supplement
If I ate 99% fat I would glow too! i am giv ing pinches of it now to Tivar to help his dry skin. I dont want to make him gain weight tho! it has some kind of soluble fat with all the omegas. It is turning out to be the best thing I have ever used for weight gain on a horse. But most icey people dont have that problem! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
not putting up fence alleyways or corridors to move from one field to the other I LOVE my alley way connecting my four paddocks to the winter pasture. Someone told me I should take it out it was a waste of room. No way! The paddocks all open into the alley which also gives a backup enclosure in case a gate gets incorrectly closed, etc. Once I came home from a trip to see the farm sitter couldn't figure out how to latch the gate so had just wrapped the chain around the post! #@!! I had extra clasps on the end of chains, lead ropes she could have used to tied the gate shut, etc. Needless to say I was thankful my alley was there. Still I hate to leave my horses in the care of others! Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Saint Philippe, New Brunswick, Canada (about 10-15 minutes from Moncton) Looks wonderful! You're further north than I am, but the temps off the water may moderate the temperature some. How FUN!! Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?/large pastures
... stop worming her ... that's almost as bad about our joking about leaving the blankets off the fat horses so that they would expend more energy keeping warm. Wonder if that would work for me. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The members from the south don't seem to have a grasp of just what real frozen ground is! ;o) haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are Janice :) -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, IceDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Needless to say I was thankful my alley was there. Still I hate to leave my horses in the care of others! Cheryl me too! you can explain to someone til you are blue in the face but until they've almost lost a beloved pet and had a humoungous vet bill over something as stupid as not making sure the gate is secure Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] More Sidepull Pictures
doesn't stop by seat cue, I just close my hands for a moment and release. Cherie I have been using a mechanical hack on Dagur and he is wonderful with it. That dang Scooter seems to run through everything Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] The perfect ride
Good boy Dagur! I have a friend who broke her back in two places over a Oh my gosh, how awful. Yes they are scarry. Especially when they are stretching. LOL Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] The perfect ride
We mer a counter culture couple (in Oregon hippies are not extant) hiking up a trail, pulling a large green garden cart filled with all their camping gear. The girl had on boots, a pretty long red print skirt, a colorful ethnic (Icelandic??) sweater and a beret, long braid down her back. She was on one side of the narrow trail. The guy and the wagon were on the other. Hunter not only would not go forward, he ran very athletically backwards, downhill on the narrow track. Hard to know what picture he saw. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] The perfect ride
bright red coat, plaid shorts, knee high socks, a red wool beret, and carrying a huge walking staff. I guess Jaspar thought he was either a terrible fashion statement or he was gonna hit him with that big stick! I am sure it was he queer outfit. LOL Get a mirror guy. my hand to a car speeding toward us and they dont even slow! that just amazes me. You can always tell people who have been around Everytime I put my hand up for a car to slow they just wave back. They must think I am just friendly. I better use the one finger solute next time. LOl. Yes you sure do know who has horses and who doesn't. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] The stupidest video
This should get an award for stupidest redneck video of the year! A friend sent it to me cause he thinks its very rednecky where I live. I am just amazed anyone would be stupid enough to do this! I saw that last week. They are the guys from Jack Ass Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] storm colic
Not a horse, but we had a whippet who got real sick before and during thunder storms. Even before the sky would begin to threaten, she would begin to look very sick, sometimes whimpering, sometimes vomiting. We thought she was affected by the atmospheric changes, pressure changes, maybe even wome sory of cranial pressure. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] More Sidepull Pictures
Like Jaspar, I think all horses take advantage. But Tivar was trained to the sidepull and does not take advantage. conversely, the few I have a severe bit on Scooter because he bolts. So I thought I would be nice and put something less severe in his mouth. He buck and bolted. I did stop him tho. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] A Second Perfect Ride
--- blessiowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a lesson on my horse Blessi today. It was such a lovely lesson as he responded to every indirect rein Congrats! What a good boy! A question to the group: What additional exercises can you recommend that we can work on? You can do the Parelli 7 Games: http://iceryder.net/7games.html and / or the Bill Dorrance groundwork: http://iceryder.net/future.html or teaching some easy tricks like smile, step up on a platform, ring a bell, etc. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Composting manure
On 11/1/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you--this sounds very do-able. Could I also add kitchen scraps? We have a garden area so the resulting compost would come in very handy! Yes on the kitchen scraps. Stay away from meats, dairy and grease. Any vegetable scraps are good. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are Janice :) and I NEVER want to know what REAL bugs are LOL V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having gates and alleyways so you can close them off and move the tractor or other vehicles in and out and not have to worry about horses getting out. That is good to know--I never would've thought of it. I also caught nasi eating cat LITTER once.?? he had just busted the bag open and was standing there with those little menthol clay jibbles (refreshed with every step! all over his muzzle and whiskers. Like Me? Who me?? I would never get into the cat litter... OMG! If you are on well water, it should have been in your contract to buy that a water test be performed but if it wasnt its usually no more than fifty bucks or so. have it tested for heavy metals, pesticides, and herbicides, and minerals. Yes, we had our water tested and it's good. Our future barn is quite a bit away from the house. Do you think it would be more economical to run pipes or drill a new well at the barn? vaccinate for rabies if you havent already. Done. Have West Nile too. Plus a bunch of other ones--maybe some I won't need once they're out of a boarding barn? make sure you have your system of feeding them where you dont have to go in with them. Just pour over the fence or whatever. Why? V
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, Debbie K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use to use the conventional way of pasturing my horses, with a dry lot, now I have a track system, Yes, I have the book Paddock Paradise and I do plan to put a track system in eventually. I have enough land to have a track and conventional pastures. We'll be moving in Dec 15 which doesn't leave a lot of time to get ready, and with winter hitting we have to have something in place until spring. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are Janice :) For sure!! LOL I was in Orlando once walking alone. I knew no one was around when I started down the side walk. Yet I started hearing footsteps very close behind me. I was little nervous wondering where this person had appeared from. I picked up the pace then got the courage up to look behind me.. It was a BUG! A bug BIG enough to have audible footsteps! Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] storm colic
Anyone know anything about this? I have heard it and seen it and now am 100 percent convinced my Fox has it. he doesnt colic EVERY time a front moves thru, but when he DOES colic it is ALWAYS when a front is moving thru. I seem to remember reading that most research suggest that the idea of storm colics is literally not true. Note that I said literally... However, does the humidity also drop when these fronts pass your area? Impaction colic can come from not drinking enough water, and sometimes horses may not drink enough when it's low humidity - something us in the south don't have to worry about too often! That's the only explanation we could get for Saga's mild colic last fall. It wasn't a bad colic at all, but I could see that she was off, so I finally called the vet out. Her gut sounds weren't TOO bad, but there was an area that was too quiet, while another area sounded over-active. I'm not good enough with a stethoscope to pick that detail up, so I'm glad I called him out. I'm sure that a lot of mild colics go unnoticed. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.16/1102 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 4:38 PM
Re: [IceHorses] storm colic
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What on earth could cause storm colic?!?!? Its very weird. I get migraines just before storms...don't know if that's the same type of thing. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
This photo may give you an idea of the area I want to fence for pasture. It is wonderful Virginia! I wouldn't mow it. The horses will appreciate the winter browse. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On 11/1/07, IceDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This photo may give you an idea of the area I want to fence for pasture. It is wonderful Virginia! I wouldn't mow it. The horses will appreciate the winter browse. Thanks. I'll send photos again once we have the horses home. V
Re: [IceHorses] ideal job
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow i sure missed my calling. I work with permitting for land developments etc and I worked on one project for a new equestrian subdivision with a common area that will be a huge barn and trails etc and then the subdivision lots all around. Seems to me I saw a similar layout in one of Cherry's books. V
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I have a severe bit on Scooter because he bolts. So I thought I would be nice and put something less severe in his mouth. He buck and bolted. I did stop him tho. Scooter sounds like your problem child. Stonewall is mine. Like you would think Scooter would be happy with a milder bit. go figure. makes you just wonder what on earth he is thinking. Like Jaspar in a sidepull... he is thinking oh she is riding me with a lot less control, so I will just misbehave and eat weeds and not turn when she steers me. Stonewall is forever a little colt, a baby. in situations where he feels secure he is the best horse in the world. I could ride him in nothing. He would just follow the other horses. In a situation where he is insecure and freaked out you could put a twisted wire snaffle made of barb wire and 20 inch shanks and I promise you you wouldnt stop him if he wanted to go somewhere. Thank good ness he doesnt buck or bolt tho. he wont leave other horses and I am not dumb enough to ride him alone except in the yard. and he has had all the groundwork in the world, professional training, years and years of groundwork and training and miles and miles under saddle. He is just a nutty guy what can I say. sigh. He is on my back burner now, in hopes some age will help him. I did tho contact a local stable with an arena and they said if I will help around the place a couple of hours every week or so I can have free access to arena use. So I am gonna just take him there every fri and let him act like a psycho in the arena and get used to going off alone in a new exciting place for an hour a week and see what that does... janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] More Sidepull Pictures
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a believer that anytime you go to something less severe you should be really careful... I knew a seemingly really well trained obedient dead broke walking horse that had been ridden all his life in a severe long shanked walking horse bit that was sold to someone who put him in a dee ring snaffle and he bolted, became a bolter in fact. But he had been raised and trained and ridden all his life by one man, so I imagine the new owner had some new ways about her that seemed scarey/frustrating/surprising to him, then the new bit... H, I wonder if that's what happened with Orri. He was ridden with a one jointed snaffle on a very tight rein by his male trainer, then along came wimpy me and his new bit with 2 joints and a loose rein. V
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Done. Have West Nile too. Plus a bunch of other ones--maybe some I won't need once they're out of a boarding barn? West Nile, EEE, WEE, VEE are insect-borne illnesses, so they are needed if you're in a risky area, even if you keep your horses at home. Rabies - always vaccinate. It's just not worth the risk - to you humans, or to the horses. It's the safest vaccine ever developed, and the alternative is death. It's transmitted by wild animals who are infected, not by other horses, so its need is not based on whether they are boarded or kept at home. Some of the others like flu, rhino, PHF, strangles are more debatable, so talk to your vet and discuss the risks in your area. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.16/1102 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 4:38 PM
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On 11/1/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the others like flu, rhino, PHF, strangles are more debatable, so talk to your vet and discuss the risks in your area. Yep, those were the ones I was going to check on. V
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:32:57 -0500, you wrote: haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are And you pansies in Florida don't know what REAL mud and rain is!!! ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] The stupidest video
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytlCOm1FGk I can't believe anyone would want to do this! V
Re: [IceHorses] The stupidest video
Those guys have been riding without their helmets. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] OT-coworkers
And the guy didn't tell her where to put her manure? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
We need to have a competition. Southern Oregon doesn't do bugs or snow, but we could sure be competitive in the mud division. If I were going to make book, I'd bet on Janice for bugs and Wanda for snow. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Should I mow?
Southern Oregon doesn't do bugs or snow, but we could sure be competitive in the mud division. If I were going to make book, I'd bet on Janice for bugs and Wanda for snow. I'd bet on those two in those categories too. Now...for the mud category...are we talking year-round or seasonal...? We don't have year-round mud, but oh, man, when we do have it...! Red clay makes really sticky, gooey mud! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.16/1102 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 4:38 PM
