[ilugd] The International Space Station's laptops are moving from Windows to Linux

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

FYI. Interesting reading.

~~~

The International Space Station's laptops are moving from Windows to
Linux, and R2, the first Linux-powered humanoid robot in space, is now
under-going in-flight testing.


http://www.zdnet.com/to-the-space-station-and-beyond-with-linux-714958/


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Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Rohan Garg  wrote:
> Hi Parin
>
>> Sorry Rohan but these days Ubuntu is a different story, especially for
>> the past few years, the project is going a different way.
>>
>> IMHO, in a quest to replace Windows it has gone the Windows way by
>> introducing malicious features like Spyware[1] in it.
>>
>
> Whoa, let me just stop you right there for a moment. Ubuntu is the
> name of the whole project but also the name of some products/flavors .
> So this is clearly aimed towards a particular flavor. Just wanted to
> clarify that before proceeding.
>
>> So personally I don't use it or recommend it to anyone, moreover for me
>> Debian Release party was more of community event, to celebrate the
>> release of a universal GNU/Linux OS which has been there for a long
>> time, almost 20 years, with most of things taken care by volunteers
>> while Ubuntu is more of the Canonical thing now. So IMHO I don't think
>> we can have a release party together, for them.
>>
>
> I strongly disagree with the statement that Ubuntu is merely `a
> Canonical thing now`. There are various flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu
> / Xubuntu / Lubuntu which have a strong community side attached to it.
> I find it offensive that you chastise the entire community for the
> actions of a company that is just one aspect of the whole Ubuntu
> ecosystem. Not taking sides, but Canonical provides alot of tools,
> infrastructure and manpower that allows all these flavors to come to
> fruition. Not to mention that alot of foundations work done in Ubuntu
> finds its way back into Debian.
>
>> Don't want to start a Debian v/s Ubuntu debate, here because IMHO they
>> are incomparable, with the kind of purposes for which they are developed.
>>
>
> Neither do I, everyone is entitled to their opinions, however, it
> seems to me you have a very limited view of what Ubuntu is. Now that
> I've (hopefully) widened your view a bit, would you still be open to
> the idea of having a Ubuntu + Debian release party? I strongly believe
> that both Ubuntu and Debian need each other in order to survive and
> that there should be more friendly relationships between the two.

Debian will not need Ubuntu to survive but Ubuntu will always need Debian.

-Sudhanwa


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[ilugd] (OT) UEFI: Boot, Boon, or Bane?

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Interesting article about BIOS, security, LUG, court case, EU.

Read here: http://www.eejournal.com/archives/articles/20130403-uefi/

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Re: [ilugd] Any decent tool for writing book using text files (asciidoc) and generate pdf/html site and works well with Hindi fonts ??

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Latex and its GUI editing varients?

2012/12/24 Narendra Sisodiya :
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Re: [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news.

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

RIP Raj "Old monk" Mathur.

In the real world, I met him for the first time at freed.in  2007 and
we met as if we know each other for ages. We were together in a panel
discussion also which was a very nice experience to share thoughts
with him.  (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dineshah/1467023126)

Will miss you Raj.

-Sudhanwa




On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह)
 wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Kishore Bhargava wrote:
>
>> 12-12-12. What a very very sad day. We lost a very dear friend, Raj Mathur.
>>
>> People who knew and have met Raj will always remember him as a lively and
>> humourous person - brutally honest and a man of principles.
>>
>> Raj was a founder member of the Indian Linux Users Group and a very active
>> member of the Free and Open Source community. Well respected and extremely
>> knowledgable, he was often sought after for advice which he readily
>> dispersed.
>>
>> Raj loved to have fun and encouraged everyone around him to do the same.
>> He loved his food, his movies, his music and being with friends and family.
>>
>> A brilliant hacker and much respected for his pioneering work, he will be
>> missed by one and all.
>>
>> Rest in peace, Raj "Oldmonk" Mathur.
>>
>
> This is unbelievably sad new. :-(
>
> I am completely lost for any words. We always had a great time together @
> ilug-d meets and freed.in planning meetings. He was great host.
>
> May God rest his soul in peace and give his family and friends (us)
> strength to bear this great lose.
>
> With regards,
> --
> --Dinesh Shah :-)
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[ilugd] The founder of Sugar labs, Walter Bender, will be in India from about 21-29 August

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

FYI
This could be of interest to many people.

Forwarded from other mailing list.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Vickram Crishna 


The founder of Sugar labs, Walter Bender, will be in India from about
21-29 August (i.e. now) and will speak at HBCSE in Mumbai on 28
August, 4-6 pm, for those interested in furthering the importance of
good quality primary education. It is an open, public, meeting.

Sugar is the platform developed for the xo NetBook under the olpc
program, and is available on most general purpose computers today, and
also on a pen drive for a test drive before installation. It provides
children with a playground to learn, with communication and
collaboration key ingredients.

Interested persons needing to know more about the Mumbai program may
contact me offlist.  His full schedule will be posted shortly, as he
is also visiting Guwahati, Goa and Delhi.


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Re: [ilugd] How to Immediately Pause Printing in Linux?

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Amit Sharma  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We would like to immadiatelty Pause the print given by command "lp -d
> canon3225 -s"
>
> Hmmm.

Remove all the paper from the printer immediately and then cancel print job
:-)

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Re: [ilugd] Looking for an Android Developer for App Dev Contract

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On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Saurabh Jain wrote:

> Within the same LAN, it is legal.
>
> You can transfer incoming PSTN lines over IP to any point within your
> network. You can even transfer over WAN to an office in another SDCA.
>
> On the outbound front, you can't initiate a call using a PSTN port in
> another SDCA. So, you can't use SIP over your WAN and use a PSTN port in
> Bangalore to initiate a local call in Bangalore. You'd have to use your
> local PSTN port and dial long distance to Bangalore.
>
> The rules are easy to understand once you know the motivations of the
> babus. Their corporate overlords told them IP calling should not impact
> revenue. And so, anything that effects the revenue of Airtel, BSNL, etc.,
> is not allowed. That said, for incoming calls, they don't care if you
> forward a PSTN call over IP - over a LAN, or over WAN even internationally.
>
>
As I understand, any kind of PSTN to VOIP connection is not allowed.
(Without any official permission from DOT. That is given at very high fees)

PSTN to PSTN, VOIP to VOIP is perfectly fine, both incoming or outgoing
even internationally.

Typical scenerio of the famous cheap VOIP boxes that has voip on one side
and PSTN on other side (especially terminating to the EPABX)  is not legal.

Regards
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[ilugd] FYI : eBooks, Project Gutenberg, founder obituary

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

FYI


http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Michael_S._Hart
A fine tribute to a great achiever and source of inspiration for the
progress of open knowledge.

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[ilugd] (OT) Google shutting down translate and transliterate APIS

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Google shutting down translate and transliterate APIS.
Many Indic websites & applications will now be affected

Read more here:
http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2011/05/spring-cleaning-for-some-of-our-apis.html

Looks like this is the right time for FOSS community to create their own APIs

--Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] [Inpycon] [CFP] Pycon India 2011, Pune

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Forwarding FYI



===
Pycon India 2011 :: 16 - 18 September, Pune, India.
===

The third edition of PyCon India is being held in Pune,India from 16th
September 2011 to 18th September 2011. The organisers of PyCon India
2011 are looking for talk and tutorial proposals to fill the formal
presentation and tutorial tracks. We accept proposals on a very broad
range of topics related to Python programming.

Important Dates

  Call for proposals opens: May 10, 2011
  Proposal submission deadline: June 30, 2011
  Proposal acceptance: July 18, 2011
  First presentation upload: Aug 15, 2011
  Final presentation upload (with changes if any): Aug 31, 2011


Permission to record/release presentations
--
In PyCon India, we intend to record all presentations live and release
the recordings for free on the Internet so as to benefit the wider
Python community. When you are submitting a proposal, you
automatically give the Indian Python Software Society, the organizers
of PyCon India, the permissions to record/edit and release the
audio/video of your presentation.No exceptions will be made in this
regard. If you do not want a recording of your presentation to be
made, don't submit a proposal. The released media will be licensed
under the Creative Commons Attribution License, version 3.0.

Topics for PyCon India
--
We encourage high quality proposals in all the areas involving Python
: the language, its implementation, uses, and the community behind it.
Each proposal will be judged according to its correctness, clarity,
and elegance. We invite everyone interested in Python to participate.

 Core Python (including Python 3.x)

 Python standard library

 Other Python libraries and extensions

 Other Python implementations (such as PyPy, IronPython etc)

 Concurrency

 Databases

 Data Analysis/ Engineering in Python

 Scientific Programming

 Network programming

 Game programming

 Education and Training

 Embedding/extending

 GUI programming

 Packaging Python Code

 System administration

 Business applications

 Documentation

 Software development tools

 Testing

 Web programming

 Mobile computing

 Open source Python projects

Talk Format
---
The typical length of a talk should be no more than 45 minutes. The
presentation style should be concise, to the point with sufficient
examples to clarify the discussion to the audience, if needed. After
every talk there will be time reserved for questions from the audience
(10 minutes). We will be providing a buffer of 5-10 minutes between
talks so that the presenters get sufficient time to set-up their talk
and attendees can move between the halls.


Tutorial Format
---
The typical length of the tutorial should be no more than 3 hours. All
the classes run in PyCon India are volunteered. If you like to propose
a tutorial, The submission of the tutorials also follow the same time
lines as the talks.

Proposal submission
---
Talk and tutorial proposals should be submitted to
http://in.pycon.org/2011/talks/submit

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Re: [ilugd] [ Job / Commercial] Linux Kernel Developer / Windows Kernel Developer for Pune Location

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Interesting !!!
Not giving the company name !!! :-(

Looks like this is completely close source company coming here for
headhunting. :-(

-Sudhanwa

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Rits D  wrote:
> Hello Everyone !!
>
> Greetings.
>
> We are US based large MNC and NASDAQ listed company and looking to increase
> the strength of our software development team at Pune. Our company
>  leverages nearly two decades and having headquarter in California, US and
> presence in worldwide locations.
>
> Basically we are looking for experienced software developers who can
> take responsibilities for product development.
>
> Please see the below job details :
> ---
> *1. Linux Kernel Developer :*
>
> Position : Permanent
> Location : Pune, India
>
> Exp. : 2 - 7 Ye
> ars
> *
> *
> *Desired Profile : *
>
>   1. We will preferably consider candidates from IIT, NIT and REC
>   2. Candidate from Computer Science background preferred
>   3. Experience with Storage, Filesystems, NAS, SAN, linux kernel, any
>   other kernel
>   4. Worked with any product company on product development
>   5. Companies working on storage software are preferred
>
> *
> *
> *Job Description : *
>
> We are looking for candidates to staff a new product initiative to create a
> storage virtual appliance for existing virtualization solutions. This
> project team will be involved across the entire product development
> spectrum
>
>   - From the conceptualization
>   - choosing between various design alternatives
>   - designing the features
>   - building the product
>   - QA and QA Automation
>
>
> We are looking for people with deep understanding of storage stack and linux
> kernel. They will need to build the driver components which will allow
> efficient communication between two different virtual machine instances.
>
> The work will also involve adding features adn hardening a filesystem.
> Experience in driver development communicating with VmWare or Xen Hypervisor
> / Infrastructure would be huge benefit.
> 
> *2. Windows Kernel Developer *
> *
> *
> *Position : Permanent
> Location : Pune, India
> Exp. : 2 - 7 Years*
> *
> *
> *Desired Profile : *
> *
>
>   1. We will preferably consider candidates from IIT, NIT and REC
>   2. Candidate from Computer Science background preferred
>   3. Candidates having experience in windows kernels, or Windows device
>   driver
>   4. Candidates having experience in VMware development or experience in
>   development of VMware products.
>   5. Candidates who worked in products in vmware or application on vmware.
>
> *
> *
> Job Description :
>
> We are looking for candidates to staff a new product initiative to create a
> storage virtual appliance for existing virtualization solutions. This
> project team will be involved across the entire product development spectrum
>
>   - from the conceptualization
>   - choosing between various design alternatives
>   - designing the features
>   - building the product
>   - QA and QA automation
>
>
> We are looking for people with deep understanding of window driver
> development. They will need to build the driver components which will allow
> efficient communication between two different virtual machine instances.
>
> Candidates must be conversant and have good knowledge of WDK and windows
> driver development. Experience in driver development communicating with
> vmware or xen hypervisor/infrastructure would be a huge benefit.
>  ---
>  If you are interested please reply to this mail and if you are not
> interested, please forward it to your personal and professional contacts.
> Please write back if you have any queries.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ritesh D.
>

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Re: [ilugd] Open source project to get into.

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Prashant Batra  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I read it somewhere, motivation is only needed to get started with a thing,
> then it is the thing that drives you on. I feel, this holds true for any of
> the open source projects.

Hmmm

> From your past experiences of getting involved, please share your journey of
> how you landed into the open source world.

Why don't you start from yourself. Give us something that you want to
share. People will get idea from it about wht you really want to know
and why.

> When I say landed into, it means contributing, getting some responsibility,
> and so on.

Flame bait  What you mean by "contribution"? What is your
definition? Please elaborate. Are you talking about "show me the code"
?

> Also, tell some projects (if you know any) that have just started or are in
> a phase which requires good amount of active contribution.
>

Have you checked sourceforge?

-Sudhanwa
ps: I have no intention of discouraging you. Just talking in the
context of "reality" from the community.

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Re: [ilugd] Large Debian installations in India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Tirveni and I just completed a large (~2500 desktops + ~40 servers)
> installation of Debian -- Squeeze and Wheezy -- in 6 locations in
> India.  Was wondering, is anyone aware of larger or comparable Debian
> installations in the country?  Or should we be spraining our wrists
> trying to pat ourselves on our backs?
>

Congrats !!!

No idea whether there is any other bigger Linux setup (not just
Debian, but any Linux distro). But this IS a huge setup.

Few questions popped up. Hope you will answer them for everybody's
benefits. (Organisation name is not required)

A. On what parameters selection of a particular distro is done.
Pricing, support, stability etc. etc.
B. Is the decision taken by some central IT department and imposed on
all others or is it coming from user requirements across the country?
C.  How the organisation is going to get support? Inhouse? services
from vendors or consultants? Outsourced activity completely?
D. What is the typical configuration of desktops, servers.
E. What was the timeframe to complete the project?
F. What are the most troublesome situations you face during the whole
exercise. Technical, manpower handling, financial etc.

Any other points you wish to share with us.

I am sure answers to these will be helpful to all the FOSS
implementors as a reference point and even more to the people who are
converting from non-FOSS to FOSS environment.

Thanks and regards,
-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Need someone who can introduce ORCA to a group of blind students

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

You can also tell those blind students about this story:
http://punetech.com/niwant-techvision-a-team-of-blind-software-engineers-in-pune/

Even if the products mentioned there are all proprietary, group of
blind people doing software development will surely be great
encouragement for them to do some good work.

Regards,
-Sudhanwa


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:53 PM, VIGNESH PRABHU  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Few of my friends are going to meet a group of blind students this
> weekend in Delhi and try to understand how they can help the students.
> The students are attending college now and my friends will be meeting
> them to understand their financial and mentor needs. It will great if
> someone can go and introduce ORCA to the students. I dont know if the
> students have ever used computer or not. My friends plan to go on
> saturday at around 11 and be there till evening 4. If necessary, they
> will then plan to go on sunday too. So please contact me if you are
> available that day and can introduce ORCA to the students.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Vignesh
> Software Engineer
>
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Re: [ilugd] Request for suggestion for setting up Asterisk based call-center

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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
> 2011/3/21 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) :
>> On Monday 21 Mar 2011, Gora Mohanty wrote:
>>> > In other words, you need an "air gap" (the words from the document
>>> > that defined this restriction) between your network and the rest
>>> > of the world.  As you say, connecting your own network to your
>>> > PSTN is perfectly legal.
>>>

In simple terms, you are not allowed to connect your VOIP network to
the Telecom network/s (landlines,mobiles etc)

You can use VOIP completely on your EPABX but can not integrate it
with the other Telco lines.

One of the major IT companies in Pune have complete VOIP phone network
within the company. Almost all users have VOIP phone. For some key
people, separate landline handsets connected to separate EPABX are
alloted.

Unfortunately, most of the companies using VOIP simply terminate it on
the normal EPABX (typical Vonage scenerio) and then face problems
later on if the Telco knows about it and takes action on it..

>>> I have always been confused about this "air gap" business: Is it then
>>> OK to have some RF transponder, e.g. WiFi (no idea if bandwidth
>>> requirements can be met), bridging the gap.
>>

May be you can think of using CB radio frequencies. Not sure if it is
legal to use for commercial purpose. that will be another discussion
:-)

Regards,
-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Request for suggestion for setting up Asterisk based call-center

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Niyaz Ahmad  wrote:
>> Its really great to know things can happen as I thought.
>> I will talk about these things in my office soon.
>> I am grateful to you all for all your suggestions.
>
> Indeed but I don't want to dampen your enthu - please see below.
>
>>
>> Even if I am not able to implement this system,
>
> IIRC, the Indian Telecom authority does not allow PSTN gateways on a
> VoIP network.  Things may have changed in recent months.
>
> From your OP it looks the PRIs  channels are associated with "local"
> phone numbers.  Please check with the relevant govt. dept. before you
> jump into a VoIP implementation --- and share whatever you find out.

+1

You can go for official permission to integrate VOIP with the normal
DOT lines/exchanges. Authorities charge heavily for it,  but it is
possible.

Integrating VOIP with PRI/EPABX/PBX etc is illegal.

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[ilugd] GNUnify '11

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Please read the announcement below.

Also note that the CFP is already open.

-Sudhanwa


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Date: Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM
Subject: [PLUG] GNUnify '11
To: plug-m...@plug.org.in


GNUnify '11 excellence exemplified

An Open convergence of Open minds, for an Open World.

Organised by the students of the Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies
and Research (SICSR) in association with the Pune GNU/Linux Users Group
(PLUG), GNUnify is an annual gathering of the techies. GNUnify embodies
the philosophy behind Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Initiated in the
year 2003, GNUnify has soared to become an international convergence of
open minds. It brings together some of the world's leading techies to
share their knowledge and experience, and the latest happenings from the
world of Open Source, with students and developers. This is a golden
opportunity for everyone to come, explore and be a part of this wonderful
experience.

This year GNUnify will take place on 11th and 12th Feb 2011.

More details at http://www.gnunify.in


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Re: [ilugd] Creative Commons License is not made for you : Here is something better

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

INAL. TINLA.

Is this NPDL license document itself under NPDL?

If yes, what happens if I change it?
-Sudhanwa


On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
 wrote:
> INAL. TINLA.
>
> Well,  is this my first article against Creative Commons License. actually
> not. I am not against any license scheme. I want to express in this article
> is creative commons and anyother license is not made for you - (the normal
> public). There are better license exist which can help you for creative a
> better world.
> Lets us first discuss some of the things.
>
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[ilugd] Confirmation: Wikipedia:Meetup /Pune3 on Monday Dec. 13, 2010 6:30 pm @ SICSR

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi !

A Meet up has been organised on 13th December, 2010 at Pune. This is
third wikimeetup in Pune.

Erik Möller,Deputy Director,Wikimedia Foundation,  Danese Cooper ,
Chief Technical Officer, Wikimedia Foundation,  Alolita Sharma ,
Engineering Programs Manager, Wikimedia Foundation will be attending
the meetup.  Also, Bishakha Datta , Board of Trustees, Wikimedia
Foundation might join in.(not yet confirmed)

Please find the venue details for the Pune Wikimeetup.

Venue:
SICSR, Atur Centre, Model Colony.
Room No 707. 7th floor
Time: 6:30 pm

Location map available here: http://www.plug.org.in/images/map-to-aturcenter.jpg

You are all invited for the meetup. Do join in.

Please do spread the news .. to your friends, groups, mailing lists, forums...

Please check out the mail from EriK given below to understand the
purpose of their visit to India.

Best regards,
-Sudhanwa


~~~

Hi all,

this is just to update you all on an upcoming visit to India by Danese
Cooper, Alolita Sharma, and myself. Danese is our Chief Technical
Officer, and Alolita program-manages the features development team.
I'm the Deputy Director and also responsible for our product strategy.

The purpose of our visit is fact-finding and outreach to India's
engineering and open source community. The key questions we're hoping
to explore include: localization issues concerning Indic languages,
other MediaWiki improvements that would make our sites more useful in
India, improvements to our mobile gateway, potential partners in
developing and deploying offline versions of Wikimedia content.

We will, of course, also seek to meet with Wikimedians in the
different cities we're visiting, including the chapter.

We have a very packed schedule of community meetups, presentations,
and one-on-ones, but don't hesitate to let us know about people we
should meet. Our itinerary is currently as follows:

Arrival in Delhi 12/6
Mumbai 12/9
Pune 12/12
Bangalore 12/14

Hope to see some of you in December :-)

All best,
Erik

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Re: [ilugd] Server is hacked, pl. advice

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:17 PM, abhishek jain
 wrote:
> hi,
> This is christmas / season time and clean install is not possible as there
> will be downtime, i will have to wait for this until mid jan,
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ravi Kumar  wrote:
>
>> Because we cannot remember the state of files, and cannot be 100% sure that
>> no rootkit or other exploits is left in some corner of server.
>>
>
> what is* root kit*? please clarify, may be i need to check my server
> manually each suspected file,
>

Hmmm

If you are not aware of root kits and other similar things, better
reinstall the server RIGHT NOW. Even Christmas time will be too late.
A few hours of downtime for technical reasons is usually acceptable
for all(management and users).

-Sudhanwa


>
>> we can re-install the whole linux if we want.
>> This is not a compulsion, but an advice to have a clean install.
>>
>> -=Ravi=-
>>
>>
> thanks
> abhishek
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Re: [ilugd] Server is hacked, pl. advice

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Dear Kuldeep,

Starting with a clean OS is always better. You are sure about the
things you have installed and working for you.

In the current scenario where there are many things running without
authorization, there could be some traces of the same even if those
things are stopped, cleaned.

Moreover, something might be running (or execute later on some time)
without your knowledge and doing some damage to somewhere else and you
are to be blamed for it and go behind the bars!!

As they say, prevention is better than cure !!!

-Sudhanwa



On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:40 PM, kuldeep kamboj  wrote:
> Hi mr raj mathur,
> Im just very new to linux, so please dont mind about my question. But
> reinstall of linux in case of hack dont look very good solution. Even in
> case of windows we first try to recover system not to reinstall. Then how
> can be justified to reinstall linux system in case of hack like that?
>
> On Dec 3, 2010 8:25 PM, "Karanbir Singh"  wrote:
>
> On 12/03/2010 06:26 AM, abhishek jain wrote:
>>
>> can anyone here suggest me what should i do,
>> i am...
> You have already had a lot of good advice here, I'll add a few more things :
>
> - backup you data, and only your data
>
> - backup anything else you might want from the machine, but in a different
> place to your data
>
> - Call and speak to the hosting company - make sure they understand its
>  security issue, and treat it with a high priority; Make sure they know what
> your level of linux competence is and how you can help them.
>
> - Insist on a new VM being installed for you. Dont try and clean this one
> up, just get your data and make sure its destoyed
>
> - Take steps to make sure this does not happen again :)
>
> All the best.
>
> - KB
>
>
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Re: [ilugd] Questions on software applications

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

If you can give a context for your questions, it will be better to
understand them and find probable answers.

Not that I know the answers, but it will be even better if you can
specify versions/releases of the software instead of just saying
"anything prior to 2005". "Oracle, SQL server, Lotus Notes, or any
version control software" is too vast range. More specifics will be
helpful.

Moreover, if you can give some examples, it will be great to
understand what you are looking for.

Regards,
-Sudhanwa


On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Krithika  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> As part of Centre for Internet and Society's (CIS') project on software
> patents, we need your technical expertise and assistance in getting answers
> for a few questions relating to software applications. If you have any
> information on any of the following questions, please let us know. Your help
> is greatly appreciated!
>
> Here are the questions:
>
> I. What are the features in Oracle, SQL server, Lotus Notes, or any version
> control software in existence prior to August 2005 which provided for:
>
>   1.
>
>   replication or database synchronization? Was this on a peer to peer
>   basis?
>   2.
>
>   Synchronization via a secure channel?
>   3.
>
>   Access control facility during database synchronisation?
>   4.
>
>   Interface component in an application for database synchronisation?
>   5.
>
>   Database synchronisation within a data storage system or an intranet?
>   6.
>
>   Tracking changes in data on a peer to peer basis during data
>   synchronization?
>   7.
>
>   A user to offer and accept invitations for synchronization of data within
>   a data storage system he was part of?
>   8.
>
>   Maintenance of a membership list, modification of membership list for a
>   community of users who could synchronize their data on a peer to peer basis?
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Krithika
>
> --
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> Program Associate
> The Centre for Internet and Society
> Bangalore
>
> http://www.cis-india.org
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Re: [ilugd] Open Standards policy finalized--major victory for the FOSS community

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

+1

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Mahesh T. Pai  wrote:
> Venkatesh Hariharan said on Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:41:52PM +0530,:
>
>  > The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of 
> the
>  > suggestions made by the FOSS community in India. In the previous draft 
> dated
>
> A big thanks to all those who made this happen.
>
>
> --
> Mahesh T. Pai   ||  http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com
> End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet.
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Re: [ilugd] Starting Ilug JNU Chapter

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Kapil Gupta  wrote:
> Hello All,
> On behalf of Linux User Group , JNU. I would like to tell that we are have
> started a google group.
> To join please click
> http://groups.google.co.in/group/lugjnu/subscribe


If you can get your faculty members, lab incharge etc. on the list,
that will be helpful. The views and problems you share on the list
will be reaching them and you can get some quick and positive
responses for you activities like install-fests, seminars etc.

Getting teachers,management involved in the activities is the key to a
successful college-LUG. It will sustain only with their support.

-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Dharna against Dreamspark

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Mahesh T. Pai  wrote:
> Anupam Jain said on Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 05:09:38AM +,:
>
>  >  How is the brand of my cellphone relevant? If you are questioning
>  > my loyalty to free software, rest assured sir, I'm as much holding
>  > my breath for a mukt cellphone platform as anyone else on this
>  > mailing list.
>
> Brand ain't; but the software is.


If you can not give any FOSS option, there is no way to shift from
proprietary stuff.

FOSS philosophy and ideologies are fine most of the time but when it
comes to real world scenarios, it may not be practiced all the time.
(and you will have to live with it.)

Remember that "Exercising refusal of freedom is also Freedom"

-Sudhanwa





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[ilugd] Mifos, the microfinancing application of the Grameen foundation

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

This FOSS application requires people for translations/localisation.
Hope you will contribute.

-Sudhanwa



-- Forwarded message --
From: Gerard Meijssen
Date: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:08 AM
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mifos, the microfinancing application of
the Grameen foundation
To: Wikimedia India 


Hoi,
Mifos is now supported at translatewiki.net.. It is very much software
originating from India. I hope many of you will help the Grameen
foundation out by localising their software.
Thanks,
  GerardM

http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/09/mifos-is-latest-software-supported-by.html

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Re: [ilugd] Job in Linux Administration

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>> But i am a fresher. I am working on LINUX platform for the last 2 and half
>> years. So will i get a job in Open source or not, is there a chance?
>
> The answers are here.
> http://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/how-to-get-a-linux-admin-job/

Very well said.
I will use that for any further fresher job request.

thanks
-Sudhanwa



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>
> --
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>
>
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Re: [ilugd] How to get wifi on visit to Delhi

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Llywelyn Owen  wrote:
> Greetings from North Wales Linux User Group!
>
> I will be visiting Delhi in the next week or so to work on the Games
> coverage for a fortnight. I plan to bring my Linux Netbook to keep on top of
> my email. Some of my sad Windows using colleague want to do the same. We've
> been told that wifi is either expensive or non existent.  Our hotel (Regency
> Hayatt - not far from the tennis venue) has prohibitively expensive wifi
> internet.


I think most of the coffee shops like Costa or Barista offer wifi
internet access for free.
If you are going to spend some 1-2 hours in a coffee shop spending
some 100 INR for spending time in air conditioned environment, getting
free wifi will suit you.

I am not sure about such access availability in Delhi currently but
most of those coffee shops in other cities offer free wifi.
Please checkout with the local guys.

HTH.
-Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] Fwd: [ILUG-GOA] Broadcom releases an open-source driver for its wireless chipsets

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

FYI

-- Forwarded message --
From: Kaustubh Naik 
Date: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM
Subject: [ILUG-GOA] Broadcom releases an open-source driver for its wireless
chipsets
To: ilug-goa 




As someone has already said, better late than never!
http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/

-- 
Kaustubh Naik
Ponda-Goa

Read my random diaries at
http://solewitness.wordpress.com/

Read my poems here at
http://mindinrhymes.blogspot.com/

Email Ids
ksn...@chowgules.ac.in ,
naikaust...@gmail.com.
kaustubh_s_n...@yahoo.co.in 

"Code is poetry"

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Re: [ilugd] Need Linux Implementation Guys

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Narendra Sisodiya <
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:

> 2010/8/19 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) 
>
>


> >
> > Thanks for posting the opening.  For future reference, please be sure to
> > mark all such posts to the list with the tag "[COMMERCIAL]" in the
> > subject.
> >
> >
> + you can use fossjobs.in too.
>

Sorry to say this but I had a not so good experience with fossjobs.in
My id was added in their database without my confirmation.
My job postings on some lists were posted there without my knowledge.
Most of the people responding from their reference were completely out of
sync of my requirements.

-Sudhanwa


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[ilugd] Qimo in Marathi

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

Last week I downloaded Qimo 2.0  (http://www.qimo4kids.com ) distro. It is a
distro for kids. Based on Ubuntu, it has the lightweight XFCE interface.
I just wanted to check the contents and how the packages are in the new
version. Old one was nice and the current release is excellent and looks
professional.

The first screen when I started the PC from the CD was giving me options to
select language. To my surprise, it has many Indian languages available
including Marathi.
I know that Marathi localisation is not so good (actually very poor :-( )
but still started using Marathi language.
As expected, most of the stuff is in English but some of the things are in
Marathi.

One of the most important package in the distro is Gcompris and it is
completely in Marathi !!!
As I know, this work is done by Anand Kulkarni (and his team) from PLUG. It
was really a pleasant surprise to know that complete localisation of the
package is done and it is reached upstream and included in other distros.

Many many thanks and Congrats to Anand for this great work!!

Best regards,

-- Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Software Patent Busting at CIS

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

2010/8/10 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) :
> On Tuesday 10 Aug 2010, Ankit Chaturvedi wrote:
>> I'm not a lawyer, though i have been on the wrong side of software
>> patents many times.
>>
>> It's not completely true that software patents are not allowed in
>> india. The simple answer is, it depends on the technology. Mobile,
>> multimedia codecs, et al are frought with patent issues that can be
>> lawfully upheld in india.
>
> Not a lawyer either, but AFAIR "patents on software per se" are not
> permitted in India.  This is generally interpreted as disallowing
> software patents but permitting patents of embedded software which is
> tightly bound to the hardware it runs on.  Of course, everyone
> interprets the "per se" to their own advantage.
>
Patents on embedded devices is different than software patents.
Software can not be seperated from embedded device and used
individually without the required hardware. As such, it does not
become a software patent.

> To the best of my knowledge a number of patents have been granted on
> software in India too, but using an under-handed technique.  However,
> standard patents like on MP3 and MPEG technology are technically not
> valid in India unless implemented embedded.

I am asking for some URL for any such patent so that I can go through
it and understand the software patents issue in more detail.

Looks like software patents in India are "just HURD not SEEN"  ;-)

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Re: [ilugd] Software Patent Busting at CIS

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Venkatesh Hariharan  wrote:
> Sudhanwa, I am not a lawyer, but some software patents have been
> granted by the patent office, while many others have been applied for.
> Based on the status, one will have to file a pre-grant or post-grant
> opposition against these patents.

Can you please give some examples or the URLs for  the said patents.

Need to find a lawyer to fight against that.

-Sudhanwa

> Venky
> =
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
>  wrote:
>> Software patents are not allowed in India. No point in wasting energy
>> related to software patents.
>>
>> There could be some interesting case about the patents in the products
>> Micosoft is selling in India. What will be the validity of such
>> patents within the products.
>>
>> Legal experts, please comment.
>>
>> -Sudhanwa
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Krithika  wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> The Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) is filing a pre-grant opposition
>>> to a software patent application by Microsoft. We need people to help us
>>> analyse the technical claims of the application and possibly those of
>>> previously granted patents/previously filed applications where the invention
>>> is similar to the one in the application we wish to oppose.
>>>
>>> Interested persons may write to me at the earliest at krithika...@gmail.com.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Krithika
>>>
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Re: [ilugd] Software Patent Busting at CIS

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Software patents are not allowed in India. No point in wasting energy
related to software patents.

There could be some interesting case about the patents in the products
Micosoft is selling in India. What will be the validity of such
patents within the products.

Legal experts, please comment.

-Sudhanwa




On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Krithika  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> The Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) is filing a pre-grant opposition
> to a software patent application by Microsoft. We need people to help us
> analyse the technical claims of the application and possibly those of
> previously granted patents/previously filed applications where the invention
> is similar to the one in the application we wish to oppose.
>
> Interested persons may write to me at the earliest at krithika...@gmail.com.
>
> Regards
> Krithika
>
> The Centre for Internet and Society
> Bangalore
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Re: [ilugd] [X-Post] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Mandriva comes up with a Xguest account by default.

This guest user has similar permissions/access rights like any generic user.
However, nothing is saved on the disk. Once the user logs out, whatever the
contents has created is lost.

Not sure if you want similar functionality for user. May be you can try it
out once and decide.

Best regards,
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Re: [ilugd] Get Free of Cost SchoolOS DVD* (conditions apply)

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hmmm
Yet another Distro.

I could see only  few packages for education. All others are same as a
generic distro.
Why not use QImo, FreeDUC, Edubuntu and others instead of this distro?

The key to a successful distro is support. Are you ready to give support to
the users and even more to your distributors?
Or else, this initiative goes in the BOSS way.

Regards
-Sudhanwa
ps: top posting done knowingly


On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Narendra Sisodiya <
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:

> Add your address at
>
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGszVm5xQndhQ2VDSm9lN2Z5Sjlrdmc6MQ
>
> SchoolOS (http://schoolos.org) is Indian Linux Distribution. It is based
> on
> Ubuntu 9.10. Now we are offering Free ISO image of SchoolOS.
>
> But We are offering this Free of Cost Offer to only those who want to
> become
> SchoolOS Distributor.
>
> After receiving SchoolOS ISO image, we will put your contact address on our
> website. You will become a SchoolOS Distributor. Those who want SchoolOS
> will visit your place to collect ISO image.
>
> Also, you need not to burn DVD for anybody. If somebody ask for burning
> DVD,
> You should or You may charge for DVD burning service (INR 100 to 200)
>
> This will be valid upto 10 Aug 2010. Any request for free DVD after 10 Aug
> 2010 will not be entertained.
>
> Please note that we will send ISO image in DVD. If you want to install
> SchoolOS then you need to burn iso on a DVD or install iso on USB.
>
> Regards
>
> Team SchoolOS
>
> PS: If you want to get SchoolOS DVD, without becoming SchoolOS Distributor,
> you need to pay for DVD service. Please contact *feedback AT
> schoolos.org*for purchasing SchoolOS media. I have already gave a
> blogpost on
> We are looking for SchoolOS Linux DVD Distributor & Support
> Persons<
> http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com/2010/07/we-are-looking-for-schoolos-linux-dvd.html
> >But
> I didn't get any response out of it.
>
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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian <
vivekcher...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On July 22 a $35 (or 1500 INR) hand-held Linux computing device was
> unveiled
> by Shri Kapil Sibal, the Union Minister for Human Resource Development of
> India. The goal of the project is to lower the price to around $20 in time
> and eventually reaching the amazing price of $10.
>

We have been hearing all kind of such devices right from those days of
Simputer.
Nothing has actually come up till date. (And not at that kind of pricing.)
Even if you take a bill of material and add its pricing, i twill not come
that low.

Lets hope and wait for the device to roll out in the market at that pricing.

-Sudhanwa



>
> In a tablet form-factor and using an unspecified variant of Linux (that
> some
> have said might be Android), the cost should remain low while offering a
> wide range of functionality. The Sakshat descendant is said to be capable
> of
> supporting video conferencing, viewing a wide selection of video and image
> files, word processing, de/compressing files, printing with CUPS, full
> Internet browsing with Javascript and Flash, wireless communications, and
> remote device management.
>
> The complete article is available on linux journal at the URL:
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/indias-35-tablet-everything-killer
>
> --
> Vivek Varghese Cherian
> Senior Systems Administrator
> RHCT ( # 605010995430406)
>
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[ilugd] Firefox's next big innovation: A new OS-like interface

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Firefox's next big innovation: A new OS-like interface
Check out more here:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/firefoxs-next-big-innovation-a-new-os-like-interface/37277?tag=nl.e539

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[ilugd] (OT) Nice comic strip on most of the FOSS top people

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Nice comic strip here:

http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/eric-buys-an-ipod

Rather old but still enjoyable!!
-Sudhanwa
ps: nothing personal.. just fun!!

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[ilugd] linux compatible tv tuner card

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

I am trying to record some videos from a camcorder to a linux box.  (
Next phase will be live streaming !! )
I need a tv tuner card or some other similar device so that I can get
the input to the PC from the camera.

I have tried many TV tuner cards available in the market. Most of them
are supported only on Windows.

If you know any TV tuner card or any other grabber card that can work
on Linux, please let me know the model/make/manufacturer/price ( and
if possible, where it will be available)

If you have any other suggestions for this exercise, do send them to me..

Best regards,
-Sudhanwa


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Re: [ilugd] FOSS in Indian University curricula

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

[snip]


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Srinivasan Sundararajan
 wrote:

> I would appreciate if you could send me the copies of / links to FOSS
> subject offered in the curricula. I also welcome related suggestion /
> queries. As part of my official duty at NRCFOSS, the syllabus info will be
> updated in the NRCFOSS portal HRD page ; we have also been involvin local
> FOSS community as and when efforts are made to interact with the various
> academic entities.
>

Pune University has many FOSS subjects in various curricula.
PLUG (www.plug.org.in) has done some work with the concerned people
right from the initial phases when FOSS was introduced. PLUG did some
workshops during the 2-3 day long syllabus committee discussions and
later on for teachers training program.
PLUG members have also participated in some training
sessions/workshops in Ichalkaranji for Shivaji University teachers
training for FOSS. Those were conducted by NRCFOSS, Chennai.

I will try to find out FOSS subjects in the Pune University Curricula
and send it to you on your personal id.

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Re: [ilugd] (OT) Computer system from Pune launched in CEBIT !! Runs FOSS!!

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

DSK Digital (part of the DSK group from Pune) has launched this Texas
Instruments OMAP3 600mhz ARM based full Linux computer system for a
whole bunch of low power, even solar powered computing for on the
field healthcare, e-governm...etc. etc.

And it runs FOSS !!!

Interested to know more?
Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Coj9y49Ysuk

As I understand, they have big plans and require more and more
applications to run on it.
Huge potential here for application developers to have a tie-up with
DSK Digital and reach out to the world!!

Best regards,
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Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote:
>> No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print
>>  your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with
>>  publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write
>>  code and it goes into company account.
>
> Sorry, copyright vests with the original author.  Pick up any book on
> your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will
> invariably be with the author or the author's estate.

NO. Author can decide to give copyrights to anyone.  There are many
Marathi authors who give copyrights of their books to their wife. And
there are some who give to the publisher.
And there are some authors working for social organisations where the
copyrights are given to the organisaitons.

// After the death of the copyright holder(if it is person)- not
necessarily the author-  protecting the rights becomes a legal issue.

( This is from my personal experience. I have to protect rights of
some 100+ books for an author expired some years back ).

//

Regards,
-Sudhanwa


>
> As Sudhanwa says, there is a difference between copyright (with author)
> and publishing and distribution rights (with publisher).  One is
> ownership, the other is a contract.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
>> Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece
>> of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can
>> choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem
>> fit.
>>
>> Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do
>> with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and
>> conditions that you allow other people to use things under.
>
> Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but
> technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights
> to license it.  For instance, when you write a book, the copyright
> vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher.
> I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what
> you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with
> another.
>

It is not necessary that the author keeps the copyrights himself.
The publishing and distribution is another ball game.

eg. Raj Mathur can write a book and give copyrights to IlugD.
IlugD will then give publishing rights to the publisher.
Publisher may give distribution rights to various agencies may be
according to various criteria like statewise, sectorwise (academic,
commercial, students, libraries etc) and so on.

As such, author, copyright holder, publisher, distributor can be
differeent entities having different roles and bound by their
contracts with the concerned parties.

I hope the situation is clear from this example.

Regards,
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Re: [ilugd] ILUGD meeting: 2.30pm, Sun., 7th Feb., 2010, SIT, JNU

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Gaurav Mishra  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Long time since we have had a meeting. So, we will be having one this
> coming Sunday at the School of Information Technology, JNU. Time and
> place are tentative and feel free to debate on it if required.
>
> There is one main agenda item as of now (Please feel free to add any
> more agenda items and we can drool over it at the meeting):
>
> (a) Planning for Freed.in 2010.
>
>  Event:        ILUG-Delhi meeting
>  Date:         Sun., Feb. 7th, 2010
>  Time:         2.30pm
>  Agenda:
>                o Freed.in planning meeting
>                o Misc:
>

Good to hear that some action is started about Freed.in

When is it?

-Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] Exclusive: Former MySQL boss Marten Mickos talks open source

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Exclusive: Former MySQL boss Marten Mickos talks open source

Why Microsoft could become one of the "biggest friends of open source"
and why Oracle getting its hands on MySQL could be "one of the biggest
open source coups ever".

Read more here:
http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39643702,00.htm

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Re: [ilugd] Unable to install RHEL 5.4

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Gaurav Mishra  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Vijay Kakkar  wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:44 AM, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Cool G  wrote:
>>> > I have not recieved any response yet.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Shout at them , This is what you are suppose to do with customer care
>>> people :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gaurav Mishra
>>>
>>
>> :-) Gaurav shouting of them would not give any solution,Cool g go change the
>> media and try it hope it would work !!!
>
> The guy paid RHEL guys for linux support and if he is shipped a broken
> disc, I think shouting to them is a appropriate behavior :)
>
> On the other hand, Yeah just the change of media will do the trick :)
>
>>
>>

If the media check test is passed and does not show any problems, then
the problem lies somewhere else.

Shouting at support may not help you to get immediate solution. But
being polite and giving correct input to the support people always
works for everyone.

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[ilugd] Reminder: Drupal Sprint India on October 30-31 2009

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Dear friends,

This is a kind reminder for the Drupal Sprint 2009 event on 30-31 Oct. 2009.

Please visit the website http://drupalindia2009.plug.org.in and
register yourself.

You can also check out the program schedule and the list of attendees
on the website.

So, do join in and  "Contribute to gain karma! "

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Re: [ilugd] Windows more secure than Linux ??

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

That document is dated March 2004.
Lots of things have happened in the Windows world and even more in the
Linux world.

Please get some updated report for discussions.

Regards
-Sudhanwa
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:37 AM, devesh  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One of my friend sent me a pdf file titled "LinuxWindowsSecurity.pdf". This
> booklet depicts some security issues and comparisons among Windows and Linux
> distros.
>
> I want some comments on what is all about, from this group so that I can get
> better understanding ;)
>
> Please check the pdf file here :
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/c/7/9c793b76-9eec-4081-98ef-f1d0ebfffe9d/LinuxWindowsSecurity.pdf
>
> or HTMP-view :
>
> here
>
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[ilugd] Announcement: Drupal Sprint India on October 30-31 2009

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Dear all,

This is a formal announcement of Drupal Sprint India event happening
on October 30-31 2009. An event for those who love Drupal, geeks and
non-geeks alike.

Announcing Drupal Sprint India, a gathering of Drupal enthusiast from
all over India, to contribute to Drupal development.

The event is organized by Pune Linux Users Group with the support of
Bhaskaracharya Pratishthan as Venue Sponsors.

Drupal is probably the best community driven CMS in open source.
Community driven softwares need community contributions for regular
enhancements and this is your chance to contribute and gain karma.
Drupal sprint India is a two day non-stop event where Drupal
developers, documentation and translation guys will get together to
enhance Drupal. We will have code sprints, documentation sprints as
well as translation sprints.

Join coding sprints to fix patches for upcoming Drupal 7 release or to
port modules from Drupal 6 to Drupal 7 or to develop new modules from
scratch.

Join Documentation sprint to document Drupal. Documentation sprint
will be headed by Addison Berry, Drupal documentation project lead.

Those interested in localization can join the party to translate
Drupal to local languages.

You need not have *any experience* with enhancing Drupal before hand,
even newbies are invited.

That is not all, we have more in store for you.

Got any Drupal success story to share or you have put Drupal to any
innovative use or any magnificent case study where you have integrated
Drupal with third party web services or web sites? This is the time to
showcase this. Parallel to sprint, we will hold talks and workshops to
showcase the capabilities of Drupal beyond CMS to build website. If
you have a story to showcase, register for the event right ahead.

Talks/Workshop registration ends October 15 2009. All talks and
registrations submitted will go through a community voting and top 10
talks plus workshops will be chosen for the event. We plan to hold
total of 8 hours of talks and 8 hours of workshops around Drupal over
two days.

Still interested in Drupal to use it in your next big venture... Just
drop in and learn from the best Drupal brains around the country on
how to put Drupal to best use.

So click   http://drupalindia2009.plug.org.in   now and register for the event.
The event is free, registration is free.  All you have to make sure
that your code is also FREE.

So, what are you waiting for? Mark your calendar for the event dates!!

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[ilugd] (OT) MIT students snap near-space photos of the earth with $40 Canon A470

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Wondering what to do with that old clunker of a digital camera you’ve
got in your drawer?  Try taking photos of space with it. Three
enterprising MIT students have successfully launched and retrieved a
digital camera in order to snap photos of the earth from the upper
atmosphere — and they did it all for under $150.

By loading the A470 with the CHDK open source firmware add-on, the
students were able to implement an intervalometer script to allow the
camera to take pictures every 5 seconds during the camera’s 5-hour, 20
mile journey from its launch in Sturbridge, Mass., to its retrieval in
Worcester, Mass (with the Motorola phone broadcasting the camera’s GPS
location by text message all along the way).

http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_Wiki:About

Check details here:
http://space.1337arts.com/

--Sudhanwa
/me thinks if and when any of our college students will do such
activities!!  Such a great fun and learning !!

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[ilugd] New Distros released

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

There are new distro released !!

Slackware 13 is released. Read more here: http://www.slackware.com/

Redhat 5.4 is released. Read more here:   http://www.redhat.com/

-- Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Any Good Online Tshirt making site in India for Linux Tshirt

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:37 PM, narendra
sisodiya wrote:
> Do anybody know any good Tshirt making site in India? I want to print Linux
> Tshirt !!
> the design is follows
> * Front - Logo of penguin
> * Back - Red Pill Quote - http://twitpic.com/f4tpb
> or vise varsa (quote on front , logo on back )
>
> any suggestions/comments ??
> --

Any nearby photolab can print T shirts from whatever image you give them.

I think BigBazaar also has those photography counters at many places.

Pricing is about Rs. 200-300 per piece.

HTH.
-Sudhanwa



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[ilugd] (OT).. Microsoft patents XML word processing documents

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Discussions, brainstorming welcome!!

The US patent office has granted a Microsoft patent application,
7,571,169, which "... is directed at providing a word-processing
document in a native XML file format that may be understood by an
application that understands XML, or to enable another application or
service to create a rich document in XML so that the word-processing
application can open it as if it was one of its own documents. "

The patent, filed in December 2004 and granted on August 4 2009,
specifies that this is done using an XML Schema Document (XSD), which
contains more information about the document's formatting, and also
covers systems that can open the document without using the original
word processing software.

Read more here:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-329645.html?tag=nl.e539

--Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Hall of Shame, or Shoot Yourself in the Foot?

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  Can anyone confirm this? When I go to http://flykingfisher.com or
> http://flykingfisher.in I get redirected to
> http://localhost/welcome.aspx .

I can see both the .com and .in properly. They are not redirecting to localhost.
You might have checked it during some maintenance period.

-Sudhanwa


>
> I mean, talk about stupidity. Oh well, another reason to fly
> Indigo.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
>
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[ilugd] Connections via mibbit are no longer supported on freenode

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

FYI.

People using mibbit for irc on freenode will have to use some other
site like  http://webchat.freenode.net .

Here is a notice from freenode:

*** Notice -- Connections via mibbit are no longer supported on
freenode. You may wish to consider using http://webchat.freenode.net
instead. Further information over at http://bit.ly/19JILF

--Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Hi - Stock Market Ticker

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM, abhishek jain
wrote:

> Hi Friends,
> I have to create a custom ticker for a website which shows information of
> stock market / MCX commodity exhcange. Where can i grab the data from which
> site/ XML Feed,
> I can code in Perl i just need to know which site I can use to fetch
> relaibly.
> I need to know the live prices and i dont want to go for pre-built ones, i
> need to know the live prices in my code.
> Replies will be appreciated.



You can check out igoogle.

There are various gadgets related to stock market live prices. Read the
source for those.

HTH.
-Sudhanwa




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> Thanks and kind Regards,
> Abhishek jain
> +91 -  9971376767
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Re: [ilugd] I just uploaded a photo that I want you to see!

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:10:57 +0530
> Devendra Gupta  wrote:
>
> > Changing the password will not solve this probem because these mails are
> > coming from invitation AT mydailyflog DOT com
> > by the name of Hariharan. These mails dont have any relation with
> > Hariharan's PC. You can find if you see the detail of the mail.
> > I guess Hariharan might have made account in that site by some invitation
> > and while make account that site has imported the contact list of Hariharan
> > cleverly that generally happen in all 3rd class spam community sites. Now
> > that site is sending spam messages to all that contacts by the name of
> > Hariharan. In my view mailing list administrators should add "invitation AT
> > mydailyflog DOT com" in spam list o solve the problem.
> [...]
>
> In my opinion, the above offers Hariharan far too much of a
> cop-out, and he himself tries to absolve himself of part of
> the responsibility by saying that he did not know how this
> happened.
>
> While I quite believe that he might not be aware of of how exactly
> it happened, it is clear that he, or possibly someone else with
> access to his account, (a) signed up on the scummy, unethical,
> spamming site, and (b) exposed his mail addresses to them. In my
> opinion, the resulting spam messages to the list are grounds for
> the action being taken, and I still think that it should result
> in automatic moderation on this list. Intended or not, such an
> act should have consequences for the poster.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
>

Instead of having all kind of threads on such topics again and again,
a simple solution is to filter out/block such mails. Moderator/s can
easily apply simple rules to the list postings. I think for most of
the mailing lists, it works well.

/me looking for moderator/s action.

-Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] Confirmation: Fuel & Marathi L10n meeting on 6th June 6pm @ SICSR

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

After FUEL ( http://fedorahosted.org/fuel) Marathi  meeting in
Gnunify09 and IndLinux meetings (
   and
 ),  we had
decided to have another meeting to discuss Marathi L10N activities,
here the aim being apart from the current active members in Marathi
L10N,  find and get more persons from different walks, to participate
in Marathi L10N activities. While that being the broader goal, the
starting point activity will be standardizing on Marathi translations
in FUEL, after which more localization works could be done, depending
on resources and level of interest.

At Indlinux meet ( attendees: Karunakar, Sudhanwa, Rajesh Ranjan,
Shantanu Oak, Sandeep Shedmake and others ), we had decided to meet on
6th June, either before or after PLUG meet, to discuss further plan of
action.


This is a confirmation of the meeting. Meeting will be held at 6 pm @
SICSR on 6th June. ( PLUG meeting will be at 4 pm.)

We will try to make this meeting as a kick start for Marathi L10N
activities.  FUEL is a good starting point.  If people are interested,
we can have about 20-30 minutes of FUEL session so that many more
people will also understand that activity and importance.

Being a generic start-up meeting, we can discuss the following points:

1. Current status of Marathi localisation: How, why, where, what etc.
2. FUEL activities. How to take it further.
3. Marathi word collection for adding in dictionaries.
Validation/verification of these words. (Shantanu Oak has a big
repository that needs to be reviewed/verified/corrected and included
in dictionaries)
4. Spell check and other related applications/tools
5. Generating new words for various technical English words.
5. Usage of unicode by various categories of users- especially the
DTP, book publications community.
6. Pushing Unicode from the Government to the users.
7. etc. etc. etc.  add here etc etc etc.

I think it is necessary that this activity should be taken to all
other non-FOSS users also  saying--  "this is not just a FOSS community
activity. This is for the Marathi L10N activities that is generic to
all the computing systems and not just FOSS."

Please do inform other like minded people and groups so that we have
enough people at the meeting to give a boost to Marathi l10n
activities.

Best regards,

--Karunakar, Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Need some idea on monitoring softwares

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Smruti  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>
>> Nagios used to be a good way to do things, a few years back it was also
>> recommended quite widely. But to be honest unless you have lots and lots of
>> time and dont mind getting into messy issues and handling all sorts of
>> corner issues that just keep creeping into the
>
> ...
> ...
> ...
>
> Thank you all for your valuable suggestions and comments. I need to test
> some of these products and may be I will post my findings about them once I
> reach on a conclusion.


You can also check out a big list available here:

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html

-Sudhanwa


>
> Thanks again..and have a week.
>
> Regards,
> Smruti
> --
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Re: [ilugd] Some Benefit of Using Linux and Free Software over Windows

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM, tashi samphel  wrote:
> I recently posted in DITG mailing list to encourage people to use Linux and
> free software. Here I would like to take my step toward this new approach to
> our Tibetan community by making awareness on Open source and their
> advantages on viruses, malware, spyware and offcourse on China spy network.
> I like to share some benefit of using Linux and free software. This has much
> more profitable over Windows.
>
>

Hi,


A Secure OS For the Dalai Lama?
Read here:

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/18/2030230


-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] virus for linux

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM, navneet sharma
 wrote:
> *A Word on Computer Viruses
> *Viruses are, by definition, malicious pieces of code that replicate
> themselves. They can do this through a variety of methods, including
> infecting  other executable files or disseminating macros and other forms of
> executable content.Viruses are most commonly spread by users sharing files,
> particularly through email, and also other means. Viruses are well known to
> have been causing problems to the Windows users.
> But the question remains, Are there any Linux virus? And if yes, should I
> worry??? The answer is yes to the first question and no to the second one.
> Let me tell you my experience. On my dual boot home PC I primarily work on
> Linux partition but ocassionally have to boot into the Windowspartition
> (usually to do such works like checking a MS Word document's formatting, a
> document that was originally made using Linux/OpenOffice.org Writer and
> saved as a MS Wordfile; this is another issue where a user is forced to use
> such proprietary software, because a particular agency needs a document in a
> proprietary format however).
>

[snip]

All this information is really nice.

Just adding one small piece of information : The latest updates on
these virus information are from 2002 (as per www.viruslist.com).

I believe that there are hardly any viruses currently functional on
linux systems.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards,
-Sudhanwa


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Re: [ilugd] Personal invitation from pratipal singh

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 Apr 2009, Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote:
>> My sincere request to list moderators: Please put up some filters on
>> the mailing list to get rid of such "invitations".
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM, pratipal singh
>>  wrote:
>
> Unfortunately the sender is set to an address that is presumably
> subscribed to this list.  If the originating address were a standard
> orkut/twitter/... kind of thing it would be possible to block it, but
> how do you block a message from a subscriber?  :)
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju


Filters can be put for some keywords like iI "nvit" ation  or cC
"ommercial" etc. Mailman can process such filters easily and such
mails are kept for moderation. This will be irrespective of a valid
subscriber or not.

You may also have policies such that a new user will be kept under
moderation for one month or some suitable time frame till he/she
becomes familiar to the list and the posting guidelines

I believe many LUG mailing lists have such filters and moderation policies.

Regards
-Sudhanwa
>

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Re: [ilugd] Personal invitation from pratipal singh

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

My sincere request to list moderators: Please put up some filters on
the mailing list to get rid of such "invitations".

Thanks and regards
-Sudhanwa


On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM, pratipal singh
 wrote:
>Hi,
>
>You still haven't responded to the invitation from pratipal 
> singh, sent on 3/18/2009 5:34:05 AM!
>
>To agree to be in his/her address book and give him/her access 
> to your contact info on UNYK, just click here.
>http://www.unyk.com/ml/72/3/?i=9ba3b58242464a0b920c28229c3eda9e
>
>UNYK is a smart and completely private address book. Whenever 
> you change your contact info in UNYK.com, your contacts' UNYK address books 
> will be automatically updated. Similarly, you no longer have to manage your 
> contacts' info—just let them do it for you.
>
>Simple and free…  UNYK has already attracted 10 million users.
>
>
>
>Click here if you no longer wish to receive invitations from 
> pratipal singh to try UNYK!
>
> http://www.unyk.com/ml/245/74/unsubscribe.asp?mid=9E94A2A67F7A89A4&email=ilugd%40lists%2Elinux%2Ddelhi%2Eorg&remove=2&s=13026667
>Click here if you no longer wish to receive invitations to try 
> UNYK!
>
> http://www.unyk.com/ml/72/4/unsubscribe.asp?i=9ba3b58242464a0b920c28229c3eda9e
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Re: [ilugd] Open House 2009 - 9th l...@iitd workshop

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:29 PM, narendra sisodiya
 wrote:
>
> All are invited , specially bachcha party.


You can think of giving Freeduc (version 1.4. 1.5 has some French
interface) and/or Qimo distro for bachcha party !!!

These are the URLs:

www.ofset.org/freeduc-cd

http://www.qimo4kids.com/

You can download the CD/DVDs or else I can send it to you from PLUG.



>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: gajendra khanna 
> Date: Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:21 AM
> Subject: [...@iitd:3188] Open House 2009
> To: iitdlug , 2009eep702 <
> 2009eep...@googlegroups.com>
>
>
> Hi All
> IIT Delhi's annual Open House shall be held as usual on 18th April 2009.
> l...@iitd shall also be contributing like last time with a full day of
> activities.

[snip]

Regards,
-Sudhanwa



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[ilugd] Programming HowTo's - Python HowTo's

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

I found this very useful, interesting. Sharing with you.

HowTo find the port on a switch that a host belongs to, the easy way,

http://www.linuxdynasty.org/howto-find-the-port-on-a-switch-that-a-host-belongs-to-the-easy-way-part-1.html

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Re: [ilugd] Open Source University Syllabus

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Venkatesh Hariharan  wrote:
> Does anyone have copies of/links to university syllabus that
> prescribes open source software in the main (not elective) syllabus?
>
> One of our supporters is advising a university in connection with
> finalizing the syllabus for their courses. Currently, their syllabus
> includes oracle/windows/DotNET/SQL 2005 and other proprietary
> products/technologies.
>
> If you have copies of/links to university syllabus that prescribes
> open source software, that would strengthen the case. Kindly forward
> the same to me.
>

In many courses from Pune University and Symbiosis University, open
source is included. (PLUG was also involved during the process of
getting it included)

LAMP stack is more or less included in engineering, computer science,
computer applications courses.

If you are looking for something specific, please let me know.
Meanwhile, I will try to find the URLs on unipune.ernet.in

Regards
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Re: [ilugd] PM Office switches to Open Source Mailing Solution

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Dhiraj Gaur  wrote:
> Well I was equally intrigued when I read the news piece. Moreover the
> article never talks of mail server and rather talks of the mail client. In
> my views this is what might have happened
>
> 1. Virus problems might be common at PMO and they might have asked to switch
> to a virus free mail solution, especially in view to save their face in the
> RTI query.
> 2. The vendor/operator/administrator might have suggested switching to some
> linux based solution.
> 3. They might have migrated the mail server to sendmail/postfix/qmail or any
> other linux based mailing solution with Squirrel mail as the web access
> tool.
> 4. I am not sure about the protocols or the mail clients now being used, but
> the environment is surely on Windows based on the desktop PCs accesing
> Squirrel Mail.
>
> People in touch with NIC or PMO may kindly throw more light on these dobuts.
> But I am happy that at least they started off something which is someway
> connected to open source.
>

Getting info from NIC or PMO office contacts is a good idea but may be
difficult one.
RTI application to get the answers could be a workable solution to get
the official answers.

-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

Talking about copyrighted material but a little OT.

On one of the ISO 27001 related mailing lists I am subscribed to,
where most of the people are auditors, copyrights are given very high
respect/priority.

If someone sends some copyrighted material without any proper
permissions from the author, he/she is out of the list immediately and
this is what the list admin says:


Goodbye "copyright_violator".

If anyone else would like to leave the mailing list, simply unsubscribe
yourself or send me an email request if that's too hard: there's no need to
post copyright materials here without permission just to get yourself booted
off the list ...

-Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] Confirmation: PLUG meeting for February 2009 is scheduled on Saturday 7th February 2009, 4 pm @ SICSR

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

 PLUG meeting for  February  2009 is scheduled on Saturday 7th
February  2009 , 4pm @ SICSR

 These are the details:
 Location: SICSR, Atur Centre, Model Colony.
 Room No 704. 7th floor ( room no. may change )
 Time: 4 pm

 Agenda:

 Discussions about GNUnify 09.
~
GNUnify 09 is scheduled on 13-14 February. This year the event is
sponsored by Mozilla !!

These are the tracks:

Mozilla Camp
Fedora Activity Day
PHP Marathon

We have academic track also which is specifically meant for the
teachers/faculty members of various colleges/institutes.

We will be having sessions for Marathi localisation related activites
like FUEL etc.

Apart from this, there will be other talks and workshops on various topics.

The event is free for all and there are no charges for attending.
However, you need to register online as a delegate.  Delegate
registration is already open.

Please check the website http://gnunify.in for more details and registration.

~~

If anyone wants to give any technical (or other) talk in the meeting,
please let me know.

 You can book CD/DVDs and  collect them after the meeting.

We have a few DRUPALCAMP  T shirts available (on first come first
served basis) for Rs. 200/- each.  You can collect them at the
meeting.

 We will be accepting formal membership at the meeting. CD/DVDs will be
 made available at the meeting. You can send your bookings to me and/or
 Dexter.

 Kindly make yourself available for the meeting.
 -Sudhanwa


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[ilugd] Reminder : GNUnify '09. just 12 days remaining

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

This is a kind reminder about GNUnify '09.

Just 12 days remaining for the event.

CFP is already closed.

Delegate registration is open.

Some tracks are as follows: Mozilla day, Fedora activity day, PHP.
Separate track for academics: for the trainers by the trainers!!
Also included sessions on Marathi Opensource: FUEL, localisation and
other matters.

Please check up the website http://gnunify.in for updates and registration.

Please inform others about the event and registration.

-- Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Samba, AD and Windows clients

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to completely replace the active directory and primary
> and secondary domain controllers in a Winduhs network with one or more
> Linux boxes?
>
> Excuse my vast ignorance of Winduhs, but do you need both a PDC and AD,
> or are they mutually exclusive?  How about encryption and stuff?  And
> integration with OpenLDAP?
>
> Pointers, references welcome.
>

If you are using samba only for windows domain authentication(and/or
file/print sharing), then it will be fine. If you want further
services like some access controls (eg. disabling client PCs USB
ports), samba will not be useful.

Experts, please correct me if I am wrong.(and suggest a solution)

Regards,
-Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] Reminder about GNUnify '09. CFP is now open.

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

This is a kind reminder about GNUnify '09  CFP.
CFP is now open. Please check
http://gnunify.in/09/?q=content/cfp-now-open for more details.

The tracks are as follows:
   1. Software Development : This track will broadly cover Web 2.0,
Programming Languages, Development Tools
   2. System Administration : Server Administration, Network
Monitoring , Secutiry and more
   3. FOSS in Academics : For the trainers by the trainers.
   4. FOSS Philosophy / Promotion : Why ? Where ? & How ? of
Licenceing, Community Building, FOSS in Business

Check out the event website  http://gnunify.in for more details.

Regards

-GNUnify '09 Team

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[ilugd] GNUnify '09

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Dear all,

This is a formal announcement about the much awaited GNUnify '09 event.

Gnunify started off in 2003 and is successfully organised every year
since then.

This time, the event will be held on 13-14 February 2009.

Gnunify website (http://gnunify.in)  will be updated soon to get the
new content.
Meanwhile, please check the archives on http://gnunify.in/archives.php
to get an idea about the previous events.

So, get ready to join in!!

Regards,
Team Gnunify '09



Respected Sir/Madam,
>
> GNUnify is an annual gathering of the techies. It is organized by
> Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies and Research (SICSR) and Pune
> Linux Users Group (PLUG) to
> provide a platform for exchange of ideas and information among the
> industry professionals, students and academia. GNUnify symbolizes the
> philosophy behind Free/Open software. It makes an effort to unify and
> strengthen the free/open source movement.
>
> Following the success of GNUnify for the past six years, we proudly
> announce yet another edition, GNUnify' 09 which is scheduled on 13th
> and 14th of February 2009. ,
>
>
>
> Team GNUnify'09.
> http://gnunify.in

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Re: [ilugd] M$ Excel to Open Office Calc Migration

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

2008/11/25 narendra sisodiya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> rule 1 : we will talk about Excel and Calc.
> rule 2 : we will not talk about moral ,ethical , other issue in adapting
> Open tools. this mail is meant to deal with practical issue related in
> migration process.
>
> I have done a good debate in my company for OOo3 adaptation. There were
> certain point which raise on spreadsheet conversion and difficult in
> migration from excel to "calc" . I never worked in Excel or Calc. So I
> cannot make any statement in front of them.
> I want guidance on following things.
>
> * Your experience in both tool. ?
> * Any comparison between both. ?
> * is feature wise OOo "calc" is not better then Excel ?
> * will a "Excel user " face any problem in migration.?
> * do we have expert or consultancy which can help/service in migration
> process. ?
>

One major feedback from excel users who tried calc is that calc does
not have pivot tables.
I have not tried OO3 yet. Probably, it is supported in it.

There ARE compatibility issues.

-Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] (OT) US court throws out most software patents

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

Got this news from the IRC just now.

Read more here:

Much of the patent portfolio of some of the world's biggest software
companies has become worthless overnight, thanks to a ruling yesterday
by the US patent court.

http://www.itexaminer.com/us-court-throws-out-most-software-patents.aspx

-Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] Ubuntu’s Shuttleworth: “I don ’t think anyone can make money from the Linux de sktop”

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Some interesting reading here:

Ubuntu's Shuttleworth: "I don't think anyone can make money from the
Linux desktop"

Check out this URL:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2894&tag=nl.e539

--Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] FSF, say goodmorning to Microsoft Azure

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Linux Lingam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it's about time the free software foundation (fsf.org) as well as free
> software supporters, advocates, and evangelists,
> lifted their heads from the sandbox most of them have buried their heads into.
>
> for software has jumped out of tape-reels and floppies, away from cds
> to more of downloads, and quite soon,
> will rapidly move away from hard-disks, to the 'hosted computing
> model' and its ilk.
>
> or, in brutally simplistic words, 'software inside a web-browser'
> available on almost any device, but hosted and maintained over servers
> on the internet.
>
> microsoft has just launched Microsoft Azure, that milestones the
> software as a service strategy.
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10076004-56.html
>
> this, and other similar services, have the potential of locking away
> your software, and your individual or enterprise data, through a
> service-model approach. they may also bring in issues of both privacy
> and DRM into sharper focus.
>

So what?

Most of the people on various lists are already used to share their
data in various ways like sharing their email ids, google shared
documents, google sms announcements etc. Many are already used to (at
least aware of) working on remote machines where all their data and
applications are stored.  Some others do virtualisation and use
different OS and applications on the same machine alongwith user data.

I don't see anything wrong in this from user point of view. If a user
knows how to work and store data on remote machines, it does not
really matter. This is irrespective of FOSS or proprietory OS/apps.
Similar points are being raised about cloud computing also.

If this is treated as service-model, user is just going to use the
software and not getting the license of the software. As such, user
should be concerned about the data only and not the software. And in
any case, it is users responsibility to handle the rights.

> time to start a discussion on GPL v4, anyone?
> or would the free-software community do it in hindsight?

How GPL applies to any user data? And even if applicable, how it is
going to protect from the service provider?

Regards
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Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:55 AM, narendra sisodiya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Totally agree with Pradeepto. How come some one give a certification and say
> "*go my boy you are now allowed for ethical hacking*™ ", worse part is
> redefining hacking.


Pradeepto has given a very nice explanation.

However, in the legal scenerio, refering to Indian IT act 2000,
unfortunately the term hacker or hacking is taken in the wrong sense.

This is what it says:

Section XI  66 : Hacking with Computer System   
(1) Whoever with the intent to cause or knowing that he is 
likely
to cause wrongful loss or damage to the public or any person, destroys
or deletes or alters any information residing in a computer resource
or diminishes its value or utility or affects it injuriously by any
means, commits hacking.

(2) Whoever commits hacking shall be punished with 
imprisonment up
to three years, or with fine which may extend up to two lakh rupees,
or with both.

Well, we can not change the people who write these words but we can
educate them and all others by giving knowledge with the proper
meanings/explanations (Like the one Pradeepto has given)

Even if we accept the legal terminology, Ethical and Hacker will not
go together.

Most of the people on the list understand/know what Pradeepto said.

-Sudhanwa
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Re: [ilugd] Understanding the GNU GPL definition of free software. Is The classification of free and commercial Linux Distribution is incorrect.?

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Oh no. Not again.
The other thread was correct for this mail.


On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:37 PM, M.S.Yatnatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear All,

> All
> Linux distributions are free. Free means freedom and not about cost.
> whether they call themselves  free or commercial. GPL is all about
> four freedoms not about cost. FSF  suggest the few words to be
> avoided  one among them is commercial.
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Have you read that page carefully?
This is what it says:
"Free software" does not mean "non-commercial." A free program must be
available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial
distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer
unusual; such free commercial software is very important.

Please do not add your own thoughts/words in some "reference"
documents. Please correct your stand according to the same document
you are referring.

> Any one freedom
> restricted by any distribution that distribution violates GPL.

Can you please specify the GPL version and the violation against any
of the statements mentioned therein.

-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Dear MSY,

People are trying to help you understand things in the proper
context/perspective. However, it seems that you are still not able to
accept anybodys opinions/views.

That leads you to a dead end and nobody can help you at that point.

First of all, it was a wrong starting point -- some article in a
magazine-- for the discussions. You should have started with some good
study of licenses, copyrights, Trade marks.

If you are so serious about knowing these and applying the same
knowledge for the discussion on the article OR the "RHEL"
distribution, please start off with a completely NEW mail stating your
understand of a. GPL v2 b. GPL v3 c. Trademarks d. copyrights e...
f g... etc etc..

That can be a good discussion useful to many others too. But in this
thread, you are already at a dead end.
It is very clear from your mails that you do not have an open mind to
accept things which are completely acceptable according to the license
of RHEL (GPL v2 in this case) and also legally correct across
countries regarding the trade marks.

So, it is now your choice to open your mind or get stuck up at a dead
end. and do not worry about the GPL. FSF  will take care of that :-)
See the difference between v2 and v3.

Regards,
-Sudhanwa
ps: top posting is done deliberately.  I do not think this mail and
the thread deserves any further reading.


[snip]

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[ilugd] useful website : Hardware4linux.info

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

I came across this really nice website http://hardware4linux.info

" Hardware4linux.info is a web site to lookup and report hardware
compatibility and incompatibility with Linux distributions.
Components are rated according to their Linux compatibility. "


This can be useful for all the people trying out various ditros on
their new/old hardware. the data representation is very good and easy
to understand.
You can contribute back by installing the client which will send info
about your PC and distro back to the website for adding in their data
collection.

You can also check the links mentioned in the about us page for linux
and hardware related websites.

Regards
-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,
I assume that MSY is a troll but still going ahead and adding in the
thread as the discussion is useful for many people who are not so
clear about this whole thing.

MSY,
Please understand the difference between Trade Marks, software
licenses, Free software , commercial software, proprietory software.

Looks like you have very "clear misunderstanding" of the terms and you
need a legal advice about these terms. So, instead of sending some
junk messages on the list, please get in touch with a legal advisor.

Some points for you to seek more knowledge are:
RHEL does not violate GPL
RHEL is different than Fedora
GPL v2 is different than GPL v3. Read GPL v3 for trademark and other
related matters. As I remember, RHEL is not under GPL v3.

If you want, you can BUY a box pack of RHEL which contains the source code also.
and if you have the capabilities, remove all the RH trademarks and
other such stuff and make a modified distro out of it. That modified
can not be called RHEL as it will not have any TM of RH.

All the best to you for that efforts of hacking RHEL.
And all the best wishes and my moral support to your legal advisor !!

/me signing off from this thread.


Regards
-Sudhanwa
ps: this top posting is done knowingly.





On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Harish PIllay
> I am educating myself about  four kinds of freedom, for the users of the 
> software as per GPL .Freedom  number two Redhat does not  want to give user  
> for RHEL Linux Distribution .The
> freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbour (freedom
> 2).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please refer
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.htmlFree software is a matter of 
> liberty, not price. To understand the
> concept, you should think of free as in free speech, not as in free
> beer. Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy,
> distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely,
> it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
> The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). The
> freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs
> (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.The
> freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom
> 2). The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).
> Access to the source code is a precondition for this. A program is
> free software if users have all of these freedoms. Thus, you should
> be free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications,
> either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone
> anywhere. Being free to do these things means (among other
> things) that you do not have to ask or pay for permission.To read this much i 
> don't need any lawyer.Thanks for your inputs in discussion .
> M.S.Yatnatti
>
>
> KPN UNLIMITED Corporate Office:No.18/6, Executive chambers, Cunningham Road, 
> Bangalore – 560052. WEBSITE WWW.KPNUNLIMITED.ORG
>
> --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Harish Pillay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Harish Pillay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux 
> For You India print Magzine India
> To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" 
> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 1:08 PM
>
> Yatnatti -
>
> Hi.   I cannot help but be bewildered by your discussions on the
> legality of distributing Red Hat Enterprise Linux.  Red Hat (note the
> two words), puts every bit of code out on GPL.  In fact, Red Hat
> goes above and beyond the minimum needed for compliance
> with the GPL by placing all the source (patched and updated) for
> free download [GPL only requires the provider to povide a link to
> the original source and full source of their patches].
>
>> This is debate happening. You all are
>> experts can guide your fellow Linux users.
>> Praveen,is teaching the open FOSS
>> community that any body can club all individual GPL software into one
>> Mega software collection under one umbrella using anaconda or Yum
>> which is also GPL and make non-free commercial software=RHEL .
>
> Not sure what you mean here.
>
>> Still simple club all GPL = non free commercial .Please educate me .Is it
>> for this day Foss was born .Community make GPL Software and
>> commercial entities take benefit with simple trick .This debate shall
>> continue until, we have clear idea how to defeat GPL violators.
>
> It is unfortunate that you have a very confused understanding of the GPL..
>
>> But my view is we need to defend
>> GPL.. Redhat cannot ask any body as per GPL to remove the RH name and
>> logo from RHEL If it believes in GPL. then only it has right to to
>> modification and combine all GPL software's as RHEL..Individual GPL
>> software or Modified and clubbed software's like RHEL remains GPL
>> always .RHEL is  GPL individually or collectively . Roping in
>>

Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Praveen A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/9/30 Sudhanwa Jogalekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> It is really unfortunate to know that people of CEO level are not able
>> to understand the Trade Marks and Licenses.
>
> I believe what you meant was Trademarks and Copyrights. You can have
> Copyright License (GPL is one such) and Trademark License (what RHEL
> has).
>

No. I meant Trademarks and Licenses.


> Copyrights are used to protect software and a copyright license is
> considered Free (as in Freedom) if it allows everyone who receive a
> copy of the program to use, study, change and distribute (modified or
> unmodified) copies of that program. All the components of RHEL is Free
> Software.
>
> But the collection distributed by Red Hat in CDs or DVDs also have a
> license. You can think of it as a collection of poems in the public
> domain. Even though individual poems remain in the public domain the
> collector has a copyright over the collection.
>
> Now trademarks are something different. It is used to protect brands.
> It ensures that you get what you think you are getting.
>
> RHEL name and logos are trademarked by Red Hat. That means if you see
> RHEL with Red Hat logos you can be sure it is from Red Hat. In the
> same way Mozilla Corporation own trademarks to Firefox. You need a
> license from the owner of the trademark (in the same way as copyright)
> to use that brand. CentOS removed the name and logos from RHEL and is
> distributing the same collection. In the same way Debian changed
> Firefox name to Iceweasel.
>
> Trademarks does not restricts the Freedoms mentioned in the Free
> Software definition.
>


That is some good explanation useful to the OP.


> Btw please avoid using the term ipr.
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
>
> It implies either you are confused or you want to confuse everyone.
>

That is another good pointer to understand things. But people may or
may not agree to all the views mentioned there.

"Intellectual Property" is a generic term and covers many things.
I am neither confused nor trying to confuse others about IPRs.
IPR is a complex subject and I will not get into it on the list.


Regards,
-Sudhanwa

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Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday-ji 01 Oct-ji 2008, Swapnil-ji Bhartiya-ji wrote:
>> [snip]
>> Previous mail of Raj, Manoj ji, Karan Ji,  then Sandeep
>
> I find it grossly unfair that neither Sandip nor I rate a ``ji'',
> specially considering that I'm older that the other three (Manoj, KB
> and Sandip) put together.  I'll even settle for ``Raj bhaiyya'' if you
> find the idea of calling me ``ji'' nauseating (as I do).  Sandip can be
> ``-da''.


Probably, "ji" is used only for the "contributors" and you may not be
in that category according to various definitions and standards and
references discussed in this thread ;-)

using "da" will start another thread and another flame war about TM
and SM for "da" and/or "ji"  :-))

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Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:47 AM, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Every Body,
>
> Could you dare to challenge if redhat puts its logo and art work at
> your property and products and claim trademark ownership rights ? in
> the similar way would you object redhat which has put its logo and art
> work in RHEL Linux distribution and claimed the trade mark product
> ownership in RHEL when redhat is not the owner of RHEL. and GPL is the
> owner ..Could you dare to challenge the redhat.Redhat inc is under
> attack from open source community .
>

[snip]


It is really unfortunate to know that people of CEO level are not able
to understand the Trade Marks and Licenses.

I think it is a need to educate people on IPRs in general, software
licenses, copyrights and copylefts etc etc.
It will be great if the upcoming events like FOSS.IN etc arrange some
talks/discussions on the same.

Looks like the OP is really troubled by RH.

/me looking for event organisers.
/me thinks if this is some publicity stunt for the websites mentioned
in the posting, it is surely going to get some bad publicity.

Regards
-Sudhanwa


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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

Are we talking about something like this?

http://vidagdha.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/programming_in_marathi/

IIRC, one of my friend Somesh (http://guruvision.in) had written
complete C programming (I think using turbo C interface) way back in
2001.
Check out the news coverage on this page:

http://blog.guruvision.in/?page_id=6

I will have to find out if he still has that stuff online somewhere.

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Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Pradeepto Bhattacharya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:19 PM, amar akshat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Arey ee to humaara messagwa hai ..!!hum hi hain ballu bhaiyaa..!!
>>
>> --
>> V.P , AGE
>> Certified Ethical Hacker,
>
> hmm, what is that? I mean, what is ethical hacking? Never
> heard that before.
>

;-)  Ballu bhai?? !! ;-)



btw,
/me looking for all those people who talk about the mailing list
guidelines and etiquettes?

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Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [ILUG-GOA] RedHat/Fedora Crisis

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 11 September 2008 20:25:43 Mani A wrote:
>>  "Sudhanwa Jogalekar"  wrote:
>> > Fwd: RedHat/Fedora Crisis...
>>
>> We had a long discussion on this in the Ambassador's list
>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-Septembe
>>r/msg00195.html
>>
>> The article is misleading and has factual inaccuracies. It can
>> however be said that the Fedora infrastructure team does not have a
>> proper policy in place for crisis management.
>>
>>
>
> Not disputing what you said, but could you point me to an email, article
> or webpage which explains the inaccuracies of the OP? The thread you
> mentioned talks about just the opposite - ambassadors sad about the
> event and more or less agreeing to the OP.
>
> The only point I have against the article is that it doesn't mention if
> the said breach was known by any Fedora leaders not working at Redhat.
> If Redhat came to know about it from their own sources, and decided not
> to expose it to public, it was still bad but atleast people in the
> project who do not have a "conflict of interest" should not be taking a
> hit on their credibility. How many such people are actually on the
> board? Do they have to sign any confidentiality clause with Redhat?
>
> - Sandip
>
> ___


I am not a Redhat or Fedora user and I am completely neutral to those
distros and I am not commenting about what is right or wrong. However,
the mention in the article about the "Freedom" of Fedora project
raised my interest in it.

As a corporate decision, RH can provide any updates/patches as and
when they decide. But how does it relate to Fedora if Fedora is not
tightly coupled with RH (thats what is told by almost everybody in
RH/Fedora)
Compare this with the Debian situation some days back. There were
jokes and cartoons about the same but nobody ever thought of
questioning the Debian's FOSS culture of sharing things with users and
developers.

I think the difference  between the approach to resolve the problem
gives a clear picture.
Well, today it is RH/Fedora in the situation, tomorrow it could be
Ubuntu or Gentoo or Mandriva.

Lets accept the facts and move ahead.

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[ilugd] Fwd: [ILUG-GOA] RedHat/Fedora Crisis - is Red Hat playing Microsoft-like games?

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Forwarded message FYI.

Probably people from RH or Fedora can comment on this mail.

Regards
-Sudhanwa




-- Forwarded message --
From: Edgar D' Souza 
Date: Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Subject: [ILUG-GOA] RedHat/Fedora Crisis - is Red Hat playing
Microsoft-like games?
To: ilug-goa at yahoogroups.com


Bruce Byfield has some rather pungent observations about Red Hat's
behavior during the recent server compromise problems...
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3770216/The+Fedora-Red+Hat+Crisis.htm

==quotes==
the Fedora-Red Hat announcements not only concealed information, but
gave users no way to investigate their own system for problems, nor
any means of protection beyond the negative one of not installing or
updating. Faced with a security problem, Red Hat reacted far less like
Debian and much more like Microsoft, which is notorious for denying
security problems until a patch is ready. No doubt it tried to protect
its corporate interests, but it did next to nothing for users. When
trouble came, FOSS interests and standards were apparently jettisoned
in favor of immediate business concerns.

The damage to Fedora's credibility is potentially immense. In a matter
of days, Red Hat has quashed Fedora's claim to independence. It has
also threatened the credibility of the Red Hat employees who manage
Fedora -- people whose devotion to FOSS has always been clear in their
actions and dedication.
...
If Red Hat, one of the epitomes of a successful FOSS-based business,
can ignore FOSS when to do so is corporately convenient, then what
chance do we have that other companies -- especially publicly-traded
ones -- will act any better?
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[ilugd] MAKE ART 2008 OpenOS

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

Make art is an international festival dedicated to the integration of
Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS) in digital art.

The third edition of make art – OpenOS - will take place in
Poitiers (FR), from the 24th to the 30th of November 2008.

make art offers performances, presentations, workshops and an
exhibition, focused on the encounter between digital art and free
software.

Well, the deadline is already over but it will be really interesting
to see the art.

Read more here:

http://makeart.goto10.org/call/index.en.html

Regards
--Sudhanwa

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[ilugd] [article] Open Source group sues Quebec government for choosing Microsoft

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Forwarded message:
Article can be interesting to many activists in LUGs.


-- Forwarded message --

Date: Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:57 AM
Subject: [article] Open Source group sues Quebec government for
choosing Microsoft
To:


Source: 
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2008/08/31/open-source-group-sues-quebec-government-for-choosing-microsoft/

A group advocating open source has sued the Quebec government for
procuring Microsoft software without open tender. It claims the
government has gone against its own stipulated procedures for buying
software.

The group in question, FACIL or pour l'appropriation collective de
l'informatique libre, is a non-profit that promotes Free Software in
Quebec. Canadian paper The Gazette reported FACIL has filed a motion
in the Quebec Superior Court, claiming the government has gone against
its own guidelines on procurement by not inviting tenders from local
software providers. Instead, the Quebec government chose to procure
software from Microsoft.

It stated that the Centre des services partagés, which buys technology
for the government, spent more than $25 million this year on
proprietary software without having open tenders.

In a statement, FACIL said, "These purchases hurt the free software
suppliers throughout Quebec and are an obstacle to the development of
Quebec IT enterprises."

There might be one small loophole that might explain away the $25
million purchases – Microsoft holding the current software copyrights.
System upgrades could be exempted unless FACIL can prove its claim
that said upgrades were significantly different from previous
versions. That might be provable in the case of Windows Vista. FACIL
insists the government could have looked harder for alternatives to
the costly upgrades.

"Going from Microsoft Office 2003 to Office 2007 is more complicated
than going from Office 2003 to OpenOffice," said Cyrille Béraud,
president of Savoir-faire Linux, an open-source consultancy and member
of FACIL.

"Are we sure Microsoft will exist in 30 years? Will the government be
able to read its own documents?" Béraud asked.

Despite vocal champions for open source, the software procurers could
possibly have been persuaded by what was easy and familiar – Microsoft
products. Unless the Quebec government can properly justify the
upgrades, this just might be a legal and symbolic victory for open
source advocates in Quebec.


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Re: [ilugd] Fwd: Problems with http://www.mcdpropertytax.in/

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is in continuation to the email communication by Mr. Raj Mathur
about problems with http://www.mcdpropertytax.in/ .
The website is part of the e-governance activities which facilitate
ease of use and gives transparency to the users.

The National Knowledge Commission (NKC) has recommended use of Open
Source in e-governance.

Here is the text from the recommendations for your reference.

7. Open Source Software —Because of the enormous size and scope of the
e-governance effort
   in India and because of the availability of globally recognised
software talent of Indians, we
   must actively encourage wherever possible open source software
implementations and open
   standards. This will allow us to have cost-effective solutions and
help develop open software
   products and standards. It will also help improve scaling up as
well as minimize delays
   caused by repeat tendering.


The document is available on the NKC website and you can download it
from this link:

http://knowledgecommission.gov.in/downloads/recommendations/NKCRecommendationsEGovernance.pdf


According to the recommendations, you are requested to change the
website to open source technologies and use open standards which you
are not using currently.

Yours Sincerely,
Sudhanwa Jogalekar




On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> I had sent the enclosed message to you on May 18, 2008 but have received
> no reply.  The site http://www.mcdpropertytax.in/ continues to require
> Internet Explorer, which is only available by paying Microsoft for use
> of their operating system, and as such discriminates against citizens
> of Delhi who use any other operating system or browser.
>
> Please rectify these issues in the site.  I would appreciate a note from
> you indicating what progress you are making in this matter, otherwise I
> shall be forced to add your site to the ILUGD Hall of Shame for web
> sites.  If that also doesn't produce any results I shall have no option
> but to consider alternative routes to understand why the Municipal
> Corporation of Delhi is promoting Microsoft and its products by forcing
> the citizens of Delhi to buy their operating system to file their
> property tax.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> -- Raj Mathur
>
> --  Forwarded Message  --
>
> Subject: Problems with http://www.mcdpropertytax.in/
> Date: Sunday 18 May 2008
> From: Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> Your web site: http://www.mcdpropertytax.in/staff/index.jsp makes the
> following statement:
>
> 
> Please only use Internet Explorer to file Property Tax
> 
>
> I (and many others like me) do not use Microsoft Windows, do not have
> access to a Windows computer and can and will not use Internet Explorer
> for a number of reasons, including security issues.
>
> On behalf of all citizens of Delhi who do not use Internet Explorer, I
> request you to make your web site and web services compliant with open
> standards and open browsers e.g. Firefox and Konqueror.
>
> Further, mandating the use of a specific operating system (Windows in
> this case) for your clients would not be considered acceptable
> behaviour from a respected Government organisation, and I also request
> that your web site be made compliant with multiple platforms, including
> (but not limited to) Windows, Macintosh, Linux, BSD, various flavours
> of Unix and standards-compliant mobile browsers.
>
> Lastly, your web site also contains the following text:
>
> 
> Site is best viewed on IE 6.0 in 1024 x 768 resolution.
> 
>
> I request you to also remove this notice as soon as the web site has
> been made standards-compliant.
>
> Awaiting your early reply and prompt action.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> -- Raj Mathur
>
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[ilugd] (OT) Video Tutorials

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

I believe there are many students on the list and there is a scarcity
of good online training material on video available to them.

Please checkout these video on various topics. There are some 2,086
Videos vailable on various subjects.
The project is a joint venture by IITs and IISc.
Please note that many of the videos are of 50 minutes and more.

This is the URL: http://youtube.com/nptelhrd

Alongwith this, you can use many tools/websites to download the videos
so that they can be used offline as and when required.
One such website is http://keepvid.com

I hope this is useful.

Best regards
-Sudhanwa


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Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 22 Jun 2008, Angad Singh wrote:
>>
>> There's a difference between "open source" and "FOSS" as is evident
>> and has been talked about a lot in the above discussion.
>
> Yes there is, and OpenSolaris is neither Open Source nor FOSS nor Free
> Software as of today.  Please stop misleading the list.


By this statement, you are misleading the list.


As I mentioned in my earlier mail, Opensolaris is under CDDL which is
a OSI approved license.

Read this to get clarification:

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/licensing/


The binary licensing FAQ is here:

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/binary_licensing_faq/#what-bcl


The components not released as source are mentioned here.  More or
less, they are some drivers etc.  As such, in this context, if we take
Linux as FOSS, Opensolaris can also be taken as FOSS

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/no_source/


>From whatever I could understand from these licensing and other
documents from the Opensolaris website, this is what I could reach to
:

Opensolaris IS FOSS (CDDL is OSI approved) when you get the various
modules, components individually from the sources.
However, when it comes to the CD/DVD, it DOES contain some binary
components whose sources are not there in the Opensolaris project. As
such, the CD/DVD DOES NOT remain completely as FOSS.


Probably, this is similar to Ubuntu which contains proprietory
components for video and may be some other drivers. ( I am not Ubuntu
user and can not comment on this as I have not installed it. Please
correct me if wrong.)


@Angad,
I think you should have taken this thread on the Opensolaris forum
with some references and not just asking directly if Opensolaris is
FOSS or not. You can probably, still take the synopsis of this thread
to the other forum and seek answer again.



Can we stop this thread here? I do not see any further fruitful discussion.

Regards
-Sudhanwa




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Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 21 Jun 2008, Angad Singh wrote:
>> Please follow up the discussion on the advocacy-cg to get a better
>> answer (hope this is not against any rule):
>> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64464&tstart=0
>>
>> Please take a note of this reply as well:
>> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64465&tstart=0
>
> From those messages the one answer that comes out clearly is:
>
>  "OpenSolaris is not FOSS"
>
> While I support the efforts of the various teams working to remove the
> proprietary bits from the OS in principle, it is my personal opinion
> that it's not a good idea to be promoting the OS in this forum.
>
> As for following up on a web-based forum, sorry, that's not my style.
>
> Opinions welcome (on OS, not on my style of using the 'net. :)


I think it is unfair to declare Opensolaris as NON-FOSS.
If you take similar case (and a long thread) of Linux (Kernel as such)
having binary/hex code for some drivers, then Linux also becomes
NON-FOSS.

Please refer to http://www.opensolaris.org/learn.html . The first para
says it is under CDDL which is a Open Source license. the last para
gives a list of distros based on Opensolaris. If you check those
websites, they again mention product/package under various FOSS
license.

Ubuntu also has some proprietory components but nobody says it is
NON-FOSS and is promoted and accepted very well everywhere.

I have nothing to say about how Opensolaris is and how it compares to
other Linux distros. But it should be seen/discussed  in the correct
perspective if this list/forum is for FOSS and not just Linux.

Regards
-Sudhanwa



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Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- "Download Day 2008" -- today - 10:30 PM

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

I am not going to download it during the world record attempt. This is
my protest against showing the wrong map of India on their website.



On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:22 PM, narendra sisodiya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, lets set the world record for Firefox downloads --
> http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/ - see poland and germany has
> 50,000+ users and India we have only 29,000+ , its time now to send this
> mail to all your friend list --
> Remember -- download time is for India is -- > *17 June 2008 -- Tue 10:30 PM
> *
>
> * *taken from - http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/2438
>
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Re: [ilugd] Pledge to download FF3 on Release Day

[sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Pratul Kalia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The URI is http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/
>
>   I have just noticed, there is probably some bug in the "pledging"
> process, it gives no notification that your pledge has been accepted
> or whatsoever. So just click the button and wait for a few minutes.
> You will get a confirmation email soon.
>
> Happy pledging!
> Pratul

...OT

There is some bug in the map also. India map is not correct. Lets
raise this to them. Could not find any page to post comment to them.

Regards
-Sudhanwa



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Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 8.04 on an Asus EeePC 701

[sudhanwa Jogalekar]

[snip]

>
> How much did it cost in India? did you check if Eee PC 900 is also
> available there? share some info about how did you make USB stick
> bootable; people install ubtuntu even on SD cards.
>
> later have 20GB and its hard to get hold of one in UK.


I think there are better configurations available at competitive
price. Check the Dell laptop pricing here:

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/vostronb_1000?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~tab=bundlestab


Regards
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