Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that were the case, then you would be able to encode MP3 streams that sound as good as ATRAC 4 (which they do not) in real time on your desktop (which you cannot at this time). As I mentioned previously, a Pentium II running at 400MHz is capable of turning SPDIF into 128Kbps MP3 in real time, if it is not doing anything else. The particular machine in question is a 64Mb system with fast/wide SCSI (so, no bottleneck there), using LAME. 128Kbps MP3s do not sound nearly as good as ATRAC 4, so I have to say that the computational loads are not comparable. Well, FWIW, I can do realtime at 128, 192, and 256kbps with the 8hz-mp3 encoder on my Alpha (21164A, 533MHz, UW-SCSI), but that still doesn't mean that the computational load is "light" by any stretch. Hmmm, so here's my humble opinion. 1) The Alpha is about 4 times faster at the same clock-speed than a Pentium class CPU 2) ATRAC is dedicated hardware. Compare it to the 3D graphics interface in your PC. If you didn't have it, you wouldn't be able to sustain 70fps with your favourite 3D game. ATRAC has changed but not dramaticly after version 3.0. The CPU's in PC's have. There will be and there will come a time when CPU's can do the ATRAC encoding in real time. Maybee this time has already arrived? 3) Why is a 128kbit encoding faster than the 384kbit encoding? The data that needs to be trown away at 128kbit is 3 times more than at 384kbit. Cheers, Ralph - never decoded or encoded a MP3 in his live.. -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied
If a price on a website is incorrect, how legally binding is it? I was on a website today, and saw a price for a MD7xx battery for 0.00 and a postage cost of 1 ukpound. On the final checkout screen I saw this: Listed below are the items you have selected this session. If you are happy with this choose a payment method and fill out the form. To change any item return to your shopping basket basket.ihtml ID name price quantitytotal 8020107 Sharp AD-S30BTX Lithium-ion battery for MD-MS702H ?CALL ?CALL 2 ?0.00 ?0.00 Total Total Postage Estimate Ex vat Inc vat United Kingdom Postage:0.00 0.00 ?1.00 Scale of postage charges Additional postage may be added to your order by our operators. If so this is the scale of charges which will apply up to ?50 ?50 - ?100 ?100 or greater UK ?1.00 ?3.50 ?6.00 Euro?1.00 ?5.00 ?12.50 Other ?3.50 ?5.00 ?20.00 For security your IP address has been logged xx.xx.xx.xx I have hidden the links, and my IP address for confidentiality's sake, I like my ass where is is and not sued! In the UK, legally can I hold them to this? Keith - Senior Development Programmer Email : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMS : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Work : 01689 835 353 Fax : 01689 838 323 Mobile: 07879 427 867 ICQ : 32923233 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied
Keith Wilson wrote: If a price on a website is incorrect, how legally binding is it? In the UK, a price label in a shop window is termed "an offer to treat" (cheat?), and there is no legal requirement to actually sell at that price. I imagine on a web site you have even less chance of enforcing the price :-( stinks, don't it ? simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
At 07:24 7/03/00 +1100, you wrote: There seem to be a number of DJ minidisc players available. The most promising looking are the Sony ones. Does anyone have any of the units that are on offer, not just the Sony ones? I'm headed to Tokyo this week and was thinking I might check them out. Any pointers on where (other than the obvious Akihabara) to look? hey Simon, good to see you here too if you're going to japan can you do me a big favour I need a new battery for my sony mzr-50 they're ridiculously expensive here (like $120) it's the LIP-8, they should be available everywhere in japan might be an idea to get a spare battery for yours too the lithium ion are great because they're so light and last a long time but they definetly have a limited number of recharge cycles and as opposed to NiCds or NiMH lots of shallow recharges are better than deep cycling, mine has an obviously shorter battery life and outdoors in the cold it's almost frightening horst - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
that last by me message was supposed to be private always catches me! would someone switch of this really annoying auto reply to list thing it really serves no purpose other than to increase traffic if people really want to post to the list then they should make a concious decision to do so. This is the only list I'm on which has this bug. horst - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, horst wrote: This is the only list I'm on which has this bug. It's not a bug, it'a a feature. :) And you can't be on very many lists then - Reply-To set to the list is standard on at least 80% of the lists I subscribe to. /fnord - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Speaking as an avid mono MD listener, I'm rather suprised that you're getting a headache 1. so quickly, and 2. at all... I spend about 2-3 hours a day listening to MD in mono, though it is spoken word not music, that may or not make the difference. What are you (or your gf) listening to that's causing the headache? Just curious, but would it be techno? with a really high bbm? and fairly low base? the binaural circuit that I think you're half expecting the headache from can't be produced in in mono like you're thinking. A binaural beat will have one tone in one ear (say left) and another tone maybe 1-5 hz off from that other tone in the other ear (right). While you can't hear a 5hz tone, your brain can reconstruct it from the difference by hearing an 80hz, and an 85hz tone in each ear simultaneously. This is fairly common practice with mind machines, used for meditation, relaxation, entrainment, etc. Along those same lines, the same beat pulsing at the right tempo and sound can have a similar effect of altering brain states, though not usually as effective (results vary from person to person, much like drug interaction) To get rid of the headaches, I'd try a few simple things. 1. vary the kind of music you're listening to 2. lower the volume 3. looser fitting headphones 4. any combination of the above 5. all of the above 6. silence hope this helps -Jeffrey -- The day MS makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners. On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Peter Wood wrote: Heya Guys, Geez, it's been a while since I last posted. I've got a small question to those wize and in the know people out there ;). I have a Sharp 722 and I love it (this is besides the point and just to let MD have a mention ;). I record some minidisc's in mono so that I can get twice as long ;)... Now, when my girl friend listens to my Stereo minidiscs it takes her about 40 minutes before she gets a headache, where as if it's mono it takes her about 10 minutes. For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. Just woundering if it's feasable that due to both ears receieving exactly the same sound (well obviously not exactly, but you know what I mean) it confuses it and gives it a head ache. Anyone know if this is to do with the brain needing binaurueal (spl) sound Intrested to find out this, Thanks, Peter. -- ** I starting to use my domain more and more my email to use is therefor now [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** "These days when a guy takes a girl into his room to show her his hardware, it usually turns out to be a 450MHz Pentium III with 12Gb hard drive and a Voodoo III card." Peter Wood. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - ICQ? UIN - 15779342 IRC? Doc_Z on @#3cr and #ircbar using irc.dal.net:7000 (DALnet IRC Network) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that last by me message was supposed to be private always catches me! would someone switch of this really annoying auto reply to list thing it really serves no purpose other than to increase traffic if people really want to post to the list then they should make a concious decision to do so. This is the only list I'm on which has this bug. horst Huh?? Bug??? I call not having the 'auto-reply' a bug! The md-l is one of the most friendly lists I've seen (IMHO). 1) it auto-replies to the list I'm to lasy to change the reply adres each time a reply. 99 out of 100 I want to reply to the list. 2) it doesn't copy the original poster (Ie, the poster doesn't get all messages double!) I use mail-filters and sort mails on threaths. If I send a mail to the list and somebody replies, I don't need two mails! It just generates more trafic and fills up my mailbox! Cheers, Ralph - hopping that Nick will never change the settings of the md-l! -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I think you need to email them and find out the correct price. I doubt if they will just give it to you. Keith Wilson wrote: If a price on a website is incorrect, how legally binding is it? I was on a website today, and saw a price for a MD7xx battery for 0.00 and a postage cost of 1 ukpound. On the final checkout screen I saw this: Listed below are the items you have selected this session. If you are happy with this choose a payment method and fill out the form. To change any item return to your shopping basket basket.ihtml ID name price quantitytotal 8020107 Sharp AD-S30BTX Lithium-ion battery for MD-MS702H ?CALL ?CALL 2 ?0.00 ?0.00 Total Total Postage Estimate Ex vat Inc vat United Kingdom Postage:0.00 0.00 ?1.00 Scale of postage charges Additional postage may be added to your order by our operators. If so this is the scale of charges which will apply up to ?50 ?50 - ?100 ?100 or greater UK ?1.00 ?3.50 ?6.00 Euro?1.00 ?5.00 ?12.50 Other ?3.50 ?5.00 ?20.00 For security your IP address has been logged xx.xx.xx.xx I have hidden the links, and my IP address for confidentiality's sake, I like my ass where is is and not sued! In the UK, legally can I hold them to this? Keith - Senior Development Programmer Email : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMS : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Work : 01689 835 353 Fax : 01689 838 323 Mobile: 07879 427 867 ICQ : 32923233 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Peter Wood wrote: Now, when my girl friend listens to my Stereo minidiscs it takes her about 40 minutes before she gets a headache, where as if it's mono it takes her about 10 minutes. For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. Try not putting them so far into the ear. Also, if it is mono, you can switch ears now and then. Turning the volume down a little helps too...That ringing you hear afterwards means the volume is too loud and you are loosing your hearing because of the damage you are causing to your ears. Turn in down. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:32 7/03/00 +0100, you wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, horst wrote: This is the only list I'm on which has this bug. It's not a bug, it'a a feature. :) And you can't be on very many lists then - Reply-To set to the list is standard on at least 80% of the lists I subscribe to. 80%, so what it's still a crime making a concious decision if what you have to say is truly going to be of interest to most people on the list is damn fine practice Huh? I thought this was a mailing-list? Cheers, Ralph - here we go! -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
On 6 Mar 2000, Stainless Steel Rat wrote: Hi, Don't want to stop an interesting thread, but... [...] | Yeh but you don't want to emulate an ATRAC chip, you wana encode data to | ATRAC standard natively on a PC using a PC processor software taking | advantage of chip specific features. Yes, and that requires many fast fourier transformations (FFTs) per second, which as I said before are slow on general purpose processors. ATRAC 4 in real time is just not going to happen on the desktop for a while for that reason. I guess Sony is never letting this to happen. I mean, to provide specifications in order to implement such a encoder. Neither Sony or others, I'd swear. You're missing another point: I guess that if you send data at 2X/3X/4X to the MD, it will have to spin faster while recording; that implies greater power consumptions, and higher accuracy, so modifications to the MD hardware must be done anyway, and a standalone device won't be very practical without a specific MD device that could handle this. And forget about having that in portables without prohibitively rising its price... So the point, being realistic is: When are vendors going to provide a MD that could take USB data and encode it at the fastest speeds that MD laser circuitry/servos etc. and the ATRAC ASICs could handle? I also think that the best market positioning for it will be an standalone, for-PC-users-intended MD deck. Something like the MDS-PC1... greets, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied
Hi, In the small print somewhere on the site, there is probably the letters eoe, meaning errors and omissions excepted. The shop will probably claim this excuses it from sticking to an 'obvious' mistake like free batteries. Maybe you would win a case, if you went to court with lawyer, barristers, etc... Maybe not. I'd just order it anyway, and see if it arrives (depends on how automated the site is) Keep the order printout so if they charge your credit card, complain to your card company. Oh, and can you tell us what site it is so we can all try it?:) Cheers, Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Wilson Sent: 06 March 2000 12:22 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied If a price on a website is incorrect, how legally binding is it? I was on a website today, and saw a price for a MD7xx battery for 0.00 and a postage cost of 1 ukpound. On the final checkout screen I saw this: Listed below are the items you have selected this session. If you are happy with this choose a payment method and fill out the form. To change any item return to your shopping basket basket.ihtml ID name price quantitytotal 8020107 Sharp AD-S30BTX Lithium-ion battery for MD-MS702H ?CALL ?CALL 2 ?0.00 ?0.00 Total Total Postage Estimate Ex vat Inc vat United Kingdom Postage:0.00 0.00 ?1.00 Scale of postage charges Additional postage may be added to your order by our operators. If so this is the scale of charges which will apply up to ?50 ?50 - ?100 ?100 or greater UK ?1.00 ?3.50 ?6.00 Euro?1.00 ?5.00 ?12.50 Other ?3.50 ?5.00 ?20.00 For security your IP address has been logged xx.xx.xx.xx I have hidden the links, and my IP address for confidentiality's sake, I like my ass where is is and not sued! In the UK, legally can I hold them to this? Keith - Senior Development Programmer Email : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMS : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Work : 01689 835 353 Fax : 01689 838 323 Mobile: 07879 427 867 ICQ : 32923233 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied
Keith Wilson wrote: If a price on a website is incorrect, how legally binding is it? Simon Barnes said: In the UK, a price label in a shop window is termed "an offer to treat" (cheat?), and there is no legal requirement to actually sell at that price. I imagine on a web site you have even less chance of enforcing the price :-( stinks, don't it ? But in the above example the trader could be guilty under the trade descriptions act. ;) Tim Arnold Slough UK - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Mar 2000, Stainless Steel Rat wrote: Hi, Don't want to stop an interesting thread, but... [...] | Yeh but you don't want to emulate an ATRAC chip, you wana encode data to | ATRAC standard natively on a PC using a PC processor software taking | advantage of chip specific features. Yes, and that requires many fast fourier transformations (FFTs) per second, which as I said before are slow on general purpose processors. ATRAC 4 in real time is just not going to happen on the desktop for a while for that reason. I guess Sony is never letting this to happen. I mean, to provide specifications in order to implement such a encoder. Neither Sony or others, I'd swear. You're missing another point: I guess that if you send data at 2X/3X/4X to the MD, it will have to spin faster while recording; that implies greater power consumptions, and higher accuracy, so modifications to the MD hardware must be done anyway, and a standalone device won't be very practical without a specific MD device that could handle this. And forget about having that in portables without prohibitively rising its price... Hmm... I don't know for recording, but I know that for reading, the disc spins at (least)! 4x. This in order to keep the 10s or more memory buffer filled! Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
In a message dated 3/7/00 1:10:52 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /|\/|\ For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. /|\/|\ I can't explain it, but I can say it happens to me as well. There is fatigue when I listen to monaural recordings, but only through headphones. I don't know why it is like that, but if anyone can shed some light on it, that would be cool. At first I thought it was just the radio (FM stations around here seem to be in a pissing contest to see who can compress and limit the most) but after getting my 702 and some monaural recordings under my belt, I realized it was the lack of stereo, too, as well as the compression/limiting. (My favorite stations are on AM or on FM but 70 miles away -- hence no stereo.) If anyone could explain it, that would be neat. It obviously doesn't happen with monaural sources piped through a speaker or speakers... Just headphones... ~Zach http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Heya all, After reading some of the explenations some of them kinda make sense, esp with moving your head and the music no appearing to move. For the first time this moring I was listening to a mono recording and I actually felt physically sick, I was on a bus at the time on my way to college, so I had the volume pritty high. I can't think that it's thanks to loud volume, 'cos I listen to stereo recordings at full and most times I escape the headache monster ;). So I kinda like Gaz's idea ;). The music type, well I don't know, some of it is dance, some punk, a lot 80's/ very early 90's. My GF can't stand loud noises, so maybe she just has very "delicate" ears... (Nahhh, just a wimp ;). The one thing I've never had is ringing, never not even after loud gigs. Anyway, thanks for your theories guys, least I'm not the only one out there, Back to revising for Physics modules tommorow, ack PH01 Electricity and mechanics and PH03 Further Physics UCK! Peter. -- "We do not ask for money, only knowledge." -- Me. Peter Wood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Visit my Sharp 7XX homepage (http://www.wood-soft.co.uk/sharp7xx) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied
If a price on a website is incorrect, how legally binding is it? I was on a website today, and saw a price for a MD7xx battery for 0.00 and a postage cost of 1 ukpound. In the UK, legally can I hold them to this? That depends - in a shop situation, the marked price is an "invitation to treat", which is not a binding price until an agreement has been made between the buyer and seller (typically when you have over the money/swipe the card). Formally, the buyer makes an offer which the seller has the right to reject. This is just implied usually - the buyer's happy with the marked price, the seller's happy to sell at the marked price. This means that you don't have the right to buy something at a marked price - the seller can simply reject the offer. It gets more complicated with online shopping - at what point in the transaction has an "agreement" been made, and is the automated response of a webserver as legally binding as the verbal/written agreement from a human seller? Possibly worth a try, but from similar examples (Argos 2.99 TVs, etc), you don't have much of a case. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Prices On Websites and Legal Factors Implied
Hi, About whether prices on websites (or elsewhere) are legally binding in Britain, I had this experience in Dixons a few years ago. I wander in to browse with a particular interest in memory modules for the Psion3a organiser to see just how much more they cost there than by mail order. To my surprise a 512K RAM module is priced at ukp80, rather than the ukp130 it usually sells for, perhaps ukp110 at best by mail order. Wow-- it's obvious some assistant read the price of the 512K Flash module which is a lot cheaper and stuck that on. So I buy it. When he inputs the item in the till it comes up at the much higher price, so he calls the store manager who after a quick think put a "special discount" entry on the purchase to make it the lower price. Once I had bought the item, I confessed I knew all along it was incorrectly priced and enquired whether they were obliged to honor the price displayed (I had thought they were). I was told by the manager they need not sell it, but must then remove it from sale for 24 hours before redisplaying at the correct price. I was told the same thing when buying my Washer/Dryer at another shop (underpriced about ukp150-- they'd forgotten the sale ended some time back). In both cases they honored the price as they weren't really making a loss (but very little profit either), however selling the battery for free and ukp1 postage would be a definite loss. If they spot the error I bet they cancel the order. However many companes give free carraige on net purchases and I bet that's because it saves their staff inputting details-- you may find no-one spots the bargain battery until it's too late :-) Once they've charged your card and shipped it-- I bet theres no legal way they can demand it back. Thats what I think anyway! Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 Earn a minimum of $20 per hour by watching ads on the net! Visit http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10164669 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
Hi, Two points on this rather lengthy thread-- AMD have just announced the release of a 1GHz Athlon CPU, and Intel are expected to announce a P3 at 1GHz very soon. If Rat thinks these monsters can't handle a well-written implementation of even R-Type Atrac what do you think is needed? Secondly I doubt we'll see Sony do a software ATRAC implementation of their algorithm as Sharp et al will probably reverse-engineer it for their chips, to solve their current ATRACs tendency to trash the sound into a load of snap, crackle and pops :-P Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 Earn a minimum of $20 per hour by watching ads on the net! Visit http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10164669 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /|\/|\ For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. /|\/|\ I can't explain it, but I can say it happens to me as well. There is fatigue when I listen to monaural recordings, but only through headphones. I don't know why it is like that, but if anyone can shed some light on it, that would be cool. At first I thought it was just the radio (FM stations around here seem to be in a pissing contest to see who can compress and limit the most) but after getting my 702 and some monaural recordings under my belt, I realized it was the lack of stereo, too, as well as the compression/limiting. (My favorite stations are on AM or on FM but 70 miles away -- hence no stereo.) If anyone could explain it, that would be neat. It obviously doesn't happen with monaural sources piped through a speaker or speakers... Just headphones... ~Zach http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant I'm guessing here but one possibility that springs to mind is that listening to a mono source through headphones produces a very un-natural effect whenever you move your head. The mono sound through headphones is "seen" as being focussed directly in front of you, and as you move your head the source moves also-- causing something not-unlike motion sickness. Now a stereo source through headphones is interpretad by the brain as coming from a range of different positions so that moving the range is not such an abnormal effect as moving one point. Still it is somewhat abnormal which would explain why stereo thro' phones may cause a headache for some, albeit after a longer period of listening. It would also explain why speakers do not cause this problem, they are fixed (unless mounted on rollers and attached to your head via some odd mechanism :-) and so produce a natural sound source. Well thats what I think-- it's all guesswork but seems a logical reason as to why mono in headphones might cause a headache. Who says I can't reply sensibly to an email and not slag-off Sharp :-) Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 Earn a minimum of $20 per hour by watching ads on the net! Visit http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10164669 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
Hi! Does anyone know of a portable Minidisk recorder featuring a digital output??? This once existed, but there must still be currently sold models having this, no? I looked up at lot of manufacturers, but couldn't find. Greetings Gilbert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Apex DVD/CDR/CDRW/MP3 Player
Are you sure it bypasses SCMS? I can't find any reference to SCMS at the links you gave. Mind you, it does a lot of other cool things. - Original Message - From: Craig Goligowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 5:04 AM Subject: RE: MD: Apex DVD/CDR/CDRW/MP3 Player I bought one and for a cheep unit it is great. ( Wounder how lon it will be before they are forced to take it off the market because of mp3s or getting by copy protections.) Here is a FAQ on the unit http://www.nerd-out.com/apex/index.html and a review. http://www.ugeek.com/hwswrev/conel/apex600a/apex600a.htm -Original Message- I am an avid fan of the ZDTV an they have been pushing a new DVD player that offers some very interesting features. So while kicking around my Circuit City Store here in Phx, AZ I noticed that they had the Apex DVD player on sale for $179. I thought I would give it a try, and man what a deal! Forget the DVD portion, here is what is cool, NO SCMS! Yes, you heard me correctly. It plays CDR's RW's and will decode MP3's. It also alows you to play DVD's from any region code and has component video out to boot! It is not a quality piece, but it has some very cool features. Just wanted to let you know. JV - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
06 Mar 2000 21:35:42 -0500 Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: | Yes, and that requires many fast fourier transformations (FFTs) per second, | which as I said before are slow on general purpose processors. ATRAC 4 in | real time is just not going to happen on the desktop for a while for that | reason. The FFT's are not the problem, as decoding MP3 is done in real time and the IFFT is computationally comparable to the FFT. The MP3 encoding process cannot be compared either as MPEG encoding is more complex then ATRAC do to the additional runlength encoding and huffman optimizations. The biggest problem with ATRAC in software is that the perceptual coding part isn't standardized, so whoever writes the code will have to model the end results based on far less research than anyone else with an ASIC implementation. Even if they were to write the soft ATRAC, there would be no improvement since no existing deck will take a precoded stream (a possible exception being the new 4x CD dubbing system). If someone were to release new hardware that solved this would anyone buy it? Just My Two Cents, RJ K - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
horst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...that last by me message was supposed to be private always catches me! would someone switch of this really annoying auto reply to list thing it really serves no purpose other than to increase traffic if people really want to post to the list then they should make a concious decision to do so. This is the only list I'm on which has this bug. It's not a bug, and it's actually the default on more lists than not. It encourages on-list discussion, whereas setting the reply to default to the author means that good discussion often gets sent via private email. It's really a matter of personal preference for the ListMom, but I've been a ListMom on over 50 mailing lists (anywhere from 25 to 10,000 members) and I've found reply-to-list to be a better method on all but a few. Nine times out of ten replies are intended for list distribution. For the other 1 out of ten messages, it only takes a second to look at the "To" field before you press "send." - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
The only recorder to have this was Sonys first one, the MZ-1. While the md community has asked about it, and asked for it it seems to be falling of deaf ears. The closest you can find, would be the Sony MZ-R5ST which is a portable with a docking station. On the Docking station are additional inputs and outputs, including optical out. Hope this helps. -Jeffrey -- The day MS makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners. On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Gilbert Hangartner wrote: Hi! Does anyone know of a portable Minidisk recorder featuring a digital output??? This once existed, but there must still be currently sold models having this, no? I looked up at lot of manufacturers, but couldn't find. Greetings Gilbert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
Thanks for answer, Jeffrey! The only recorder to have this was Sonys first one, the MZ-1. According to http://www.minidisc.org/portable_table.html also the following models had it: * Sharp MD-M25 / Denon DMP-R30 / Kenwood DMC-E7R * Sharp MD-M11 * JVC XM-D1 * Aiwa AM-F1 * Aiwa AMD-100 While the md community has asked about it, and asked for it it seems to be falling of deaf ears. Anything to do with copyrights? The closest you can find, would be the Sony MZ-R5ST which is a portable with a docking station. On the Docking station are additional inputs and outputs, including optical out. Right, but buying a docking station when you actually want to edit the thing on a computer is a bit expensive ... Anyway, am I paranoid if I do not want to do the D/A-A/D conversion when capturing minidisk audio data into a computer? Does this really not matter when working with radio quality interview and nature sounds I'm new in audio, but having grown up with computers I can't hardly belive that D/A-A/D is the way people do this ... Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only recorder to have this was Sonys first one, the MZ-1. While the md community has asked about it, and asked for it it seems to be falling of deaf ears. The closest you can find, would be the Sony MZ-R5ST which is a portable with a docking station. On the Docking station are additional inputs and outputs, including optical out. Hope this helps. -Jeffrey Original request: On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Gilbert Hangartner wrote: Hi! Does anyone know of a portable Minidisk recorder featuring a digital output??? This once existed, but there must still be currently sold models having this, no? I looked up at lot of manufacturers, but couldn't find. Greetings Gilbert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Gilbert Hangartner wrote: [snip] Right, but buying a docking station when you actually want to edit the thing on a computer is a bit expensive ... Anyway, am I paranoid if I do not want to do the D/A-A/D conversion when capturing minidisk audio data into a computer? Does this really not matter when working with radio quality interview and nature sounds at "radio quality" you probably won't lose too much if any in the sound quality of the final product. The nature sounds (and this really depends on the sounds) might have some minor loss, but if you're recording with MD, you might have some loss as well (ATRAC compression) The D/A-A/D and back again isn't as bad as you're thinking. If it was Decompress, transferred and recompressed, THEN it would be as bad as you're thinking. This is where the generational loss of ATRAC (and just about any other medium) comes in. If you're editing the sounds on your computer and then sending them back to the MD, it would have a first generational loss, just at though you'd sent from the fist MD, straight to the second. I'm new in audio, but having grown up with computers I can't hardly belive that D/A-A/D is the way people do this ... We don't have the tools (they don't exist, or haven't been made available at lest in the consumer market) to edit the digital sample of the compressed data of ATRAC on the MD. One possible exception to this, is a company out of the UK (sorry, the name escapes me) that was modifying the MDH-10 to read AND write audio MDs, and was also creating a full audio editing software package, for moving the digital data directly. The downside to this was, it was additional hardware, computer dependent, only ran in Windows9x (last I heard)((not as slam, but not eveyrbody is playing in the MS ball park)), and cost around 500US or more (I forget what the conversion rate was when I looked at it last year.) good luck -Jeffrey -- The day MS makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Gilbert Hangartner wrote: Anyway, am I paranoid if I do not want to do the D/A-A/D conversion when capturing minidisk audio data into a computer? Does this really not matter when working with radio quality interview and nature sounds I'm new in audio, but having grown up with computers I can't hardly belive that D/A-A/D is the way people do this ... You would be paranoid if you were dealing with radio quality interviews, but if these were high quality nature sounds I would start to get paranoid. D/A-A/D isn't that way people do this, they usually splurge and get a home deck. That's what I did. My Kenwood deck has all the inputs and outputs I need (coax and optical for both input and output). The analog portion also sounds spectacular. I bet you could get some of the older home decks relatively cheap nowadays. Ian - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
horst wrote: making a concious decision if what you have to say is truly going to be of interest to most people on the list is damn fine practice I'm against changing it, this feature makes sense. If you don't check your headers before clicking the Send button, you can't be very conscious of your mail yourself. My MUA even asks me if I want to reply to the list, I'm not sure if Eudora does it. BTW, this is a mailing list, so *off-list replies* should be the exception and require a conscious decision. Alexander Dietrich -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: soundcard with optical out
I stand corrected - it is not a laser. But the optical networks are, right? Just a bit confused, that's all, after talking to Nortel people. m. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Peter, Jeffrey and Gaz -- and Jim and Zach -- have pretty much said it all. Are you listening through headphones that block out all exterior sound? As Gaz said, that would give an unnatural feeling of motion sickness when you move your head and the relative position from the perceived source of the sound doesn't change. Think how it would feel if you moved your head and everything you were looking at moved with you instead of letting you get a new visual angle on the surroundings. I know that mono can be very annoying through headphones after a few minutes, and that listening through speakers doesn't cause the effect at all. When I make compilations I try to avoid putting three, or if possible not even two, monaural selections in succession: unfortunately a lot of the music I like was put out only in mono or has been reissued only in mono. Try an experiment: listen to the mono recordings through stationary speakers or through loose-fitting headphones that allow ambient sound to reach your ears. Keep the volume low. See if you get headaches. I should think not, because it would be much like listening to a single-speaker device, like a tabletop radio or a monaural television set. BTW, the final call is up to Nick, but I don't consider this thread off- topic at all. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: length limit on coax digital connection?
Reportedly, optical connections are not so good over great lengths. I'm thinking of doing something that would require connecting two devices that are about 20m apart, and moving them closer to one another is not an availa- ble option. An optical cable could get kinked or bent along the path it would need to take, and the device at one end may be prohibitively expensive in a model that has optical ports instead of (or as well as) coaxial. Would coax deliver an S/PDIF signal reliably over such a length? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: soundcard with optical out
I stand corrected - it is not a laser. But the optical networks are, right? Just a bit confused, that's all, after talking to Nortel people. Yes. Optical networks are usually either visible-red or infrared lasers on specially formed fibers (multimode, graded-index, etc. to minimize loss far beyond standard fibers) with multiplexing to carry more. /Andrew - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: length limit on coax digital connection?
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, David W. Tamkin wrote: Hi, Reportedly, optical connections are not so good over great lengths. I'm thinking of doing something that would require connecting two devices that are about 20m apart, and moving them closer to one another is not an availa- ble option. An optical cable could get kinked or bent along the path it would need to take, and the device at one end may be prohibitively expensive in a model that has optical ports instead of (or as well as) coaxial. Would coax deliver an S/PDIF signal reliably over such a length? I'm running it with 75 Ohm cable (the same that is used for video) for 15 meters with no problems. Hope this helps, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MD on Videoclips
Hi, Just wanted to mention that I saw an MZ-R50, actually it's remote control, being used in a Videoclip on the European MTV. The band was something like bombfunk mc's. It featured a kid that was playing around listening to music with his md and suddenly starts freezing people with his remote! Crazy but it's MD :) Magic - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 07 Mar 2000 | A fair comparison would be to encode at the same bitrate as ATRAC. 128kbps | is substantially less than ATRAC resulting in a heavier computatoinal | requirement as more optimisations need to be made. I would guestimate that the average desktop PC these days is comparable to my 400MHz Pentium II at work (this was a top of the line sytem a year ago). It cannot encode MP3 at 192Kbps or higher in real time. Therefore it is reasonably safe for me to say that the average desktop machine cannot manage ATRAC, which requires more computing power than MP3 at "near CD quality" bitrates, in real time, either. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
* "PrinceGaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 07 Mar 2000 | AMD have just announced the release of a 1GHz Athlon CPU, and | Intel are expected to announce a P3 at 1GHz very soon. If Rat thinks | these monsters can't handle a well-written implementation of even | R-Type Atrac what do you think is needed? I did not say they could not handle it. The Motorola 6502 in an Apple ][+ could be used to implement ATRAC. The issue is whether or not desktop machines now can do it in real time. You are not going to see Athlon in *desktop* systems any time soon. | Secondly I doubt we'll see Sony do a software ATRAC implementation | of their algorithm as Sharp et al will probably reverse-engineer it | for their chips, to solve their current ATRACs tendency to trash the | sound into a load of snap, crackle and pops :-P I've had exactly one problem with my 702, and that was due to a defective original CD, not the recorder. So stop dissing Sharp, already. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: List operation (was: DJ minidiscs)
This is the only list I'm on which has this bug. It's not a bug, it'a a feature. :) And you can't be on very many lists then - Reply-To set to the list is standard on at least 80% of the lists I subscribe to. 80%, so what it's still a crime making a concious decision if what you have to say is truly going to be of interest to most people on the list is damn fine practice In the vast majority of cases (wherever it's on-topic, about MD), other people on the list would be interested in the replies given to the original poster. Lists run without a reply-to: set back to the list either: - end up being a list of questions, with no answers - and the people that do reply get fed up with answering the same question over and over, or: - people just hit the "Reply to all" button as a habit, so if you ask a question you get twice as much mail - personal and list copies of all the replies. I know that I wouldn't have learned half as much about MD if the list defaulted to personal replies. I make a conscious decision about whether I want something to be posted every time I hit "Send". It's also *my* responsibility to change the To: address if I need to send a private email. This is how the majority of lists work. Don't blame *your* mistake on the way the list works. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ minidiscs
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Mattias Bergsten wrote: And you can't be on very many lists then - Reply-To set to the list is standard on at least 80% of the lists I subscribe to. You can't be on too many lists then or you'd be inundated by irrelevant emails. The problem is that many mail clients don't give you the option of NOT replying to the list and honour the reply-to implicitly. Force people to make a conscious decision to post to the list, not make it the default. --- Rev Simon Rumble The Roman Rule: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one who says it cannot be done should never http://www.rumble.net interrupt the one who is doing it. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:35 AM Subject: Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface * Stories [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 06 Mar 2000 | Do you mean Compressing or Decompressing? snippage [...] | Yeh but you don't want to emulate an ATRAC chip, you wana encode data to | ATRAC standard natively on a PC using a PC processor software taking | advantage of chip specific features. Yes, and that requires many fast fourier transformations (FFTs) per second, which as I said before are slow on general purpose processors. ATRAC 4 in real time is just not going to happen on the desktop for a while for that reason. Strange - my old Acorn A3000 (RISC processor - 12MHz) seemed to cope happily with many FFT transforms. I had a program called FastFFT on my Acorn and it would perform some very complex calculations very quickly. I would expect a modern PC to leave it behind with ease. Winamp seems happy to do them too - it's how they make the little graphic EQ. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:33 AM Subject: Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface * Eric Woudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 06 Mar 2000 | On what do you base this statement? My understanding of ATRAC (based | upon looking at an ATRAC decoder) is that the computational demands of | encoding ATRAC are similar to those for MP3. I would expect a software | ATRAC encoder to run about as fast as an MP3 encoder. If that were the case, then you would be able to encode MP3 streams that sound as good as ATRAC 4 (which they do not) in real time on your desktop (which you cannot at this time). If you use a good encoder and the *same* bitrate as ATRAC you get damn close! As I mentioned previously, a Pentium II running at 400MHz is capable of turning SPDIF into 128Kbps MP3 in real time, if it is not doing anything else. A fair comparison would be to encode at the same bitrate as ATRAC. 128kbps is substantially less than ATRAC resulting in a heavier computatoinal requirement as more optimisations need to be made. The particular machine in question is a 64Mb system with fast/wide SCSI (so, no bottleneck there), using LAME. 128Kbps MP3s do not sound nearly as good as ATRAC 4, so I have to say that the computational loads are not comparable. You have to compare like for like. You are not doing so. Your logic says that MP3 can't be comparable to ATRAC because if you compress audio to MP3 at half the bitrate of ATRAC it doesn't sound as good OF COURSE IT DOESN'T!!! But then I wouldn't expect MP3 at 128kbps to sound as good as MP3 at 256kbps either, so your logic would say even if I use the same encoder for both files they are not comparable. Did you remember to engage brain before making that comparison, or was it heat of the moment ? Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:54:16 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David W. Tamkin) Subject: Re: MD: Listening to mono recording and headaches Most modern music, with the exception of Binaural Recordings and the like are "mixed" as though they were going to be listened to through speaker and NOT headphones. You are experiencing what is called a super-stereo effect headaches and there are fixes. For more information, go to www.headwize.com and follow the new user links about aural processing. Jeff - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Apex DVD/CDR/CDRW/MP3 Player
Just to clarify I did not say anything about "NO SCMS!" it was JV (Jim VeNard [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]) Nit picky but just want to be clear. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Apex DVD/CDR/CDRW/MP3 Player Craig Goligowski wrote: here is what is cool, NO SCMS! to which Tony Keogh wrote: Are you sure it bypasses SCMS? Yeah, I wonder. It has a no-longer-very-secret menu that can bypass Macrovision, sort of an SCMS equivalent of the video world. (Though they're available at $179 retail sometimes they sold for $300 on eBay :) :( - Original Message - From: Craig Goligowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 5:04 AM Subject: RE: MD: Apex DVD/CDR/CDRW/MP3 Player I bought one and for a cheep unit it is great. ( Wounder how lon it will be before they are forced to take it off the market because of mp3s or getting by copy protections.) Here is a FAQ on the unit http://www.nerd-out.com/apex/index.html and a review. http://www.ugeek.com/hwswrev/conel/apex600a/apex600a.htm -Original Message- I am an avid fan of the ZDTV an they have been pushing a new DVD player that offers some very interesting features. So while kicking around my Circuit City Store here in Phx, AZ I noticed that they had the Apex DVD player on sale for $179. I thought I would give it a try, and man what a deal! Forget the DVD portion, here is what is cool, NO SCMS! Yes, you heard me correctly. It plays CDR's RW's and will decode MP3's. It also alows you to play DVD's from any region code and has component video out to boot! It is not a quality piece, but it has some very cool features. Just wanted to let you know. JV - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: length limit on coax digital connection?
It shouldn't be a problem. Get the TV lead in stuff, and maybe look for a better quality.. compare losses if you can and get the one that has the least loss. "David W. Tamkin" wrote: Reportedly, optical connections are not so good over great lengths. I'm thinking of doing something that would require connecting two devices that are about 20m apart, and moving them closer to one another is not an availa- ble option. An optical cable could get kinked or bent along the path it would need to take, and the device at one end may be prohibitively expensive in a model that has optical ports instead of (or as well as) coaxial. Would coax deliver an S/PDIF signal reliably over such a length? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 07 Mar 2000 | Strange that - the Xing MP3 encoder managed to encode the whole of Elgar | Cello Concert (around 40 minutes of audio) in just under 5 minutes at | 160kbps. I'm using a P3 450MHz - 64Mb RAM. The Xing encoder is known to be only slightly better than the ISO reference implementation. That it, it sounds awful compared to either Fraunhauffer or LAME. [...] | I'm not sure where you got the idea that ATRAC encoding would require more | CPU power tham MP3 - surely this would depend on how the algo. was | implemented in the software! It depends more on the complexity of the algorithms. MPEG-1 Layer III was designed to be implemented in software; ATRAC was desgined to be implemented in an ASIC. | Speed does not always relate directly to the quality of the encoding | either - one MP3 encoder I had (I forget it's name) took 12 mins to | encode a 5min tune and the result was audibly worse than Xing at the same | bitrate which managed it in 15 seconds. Because the original ISO reference implementation has absolutely no assembly optimization in it. | I don't think you can assume the average desktop machine couldn't do it - it | would be down to how well the software implementation of ATRAC was written, | and that will depend on how good the programmer is. The issue is whether or not a desktop machine can handle the large number of FFTs that the ATRAC ASIC performs in real time. And the fact is, today's machines cannot. They lack the "hardware acceleration" chipset that exists in every MD recorder. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MZR55, MZE3, 702 Stuff Available For Sale
Hi My MZR55 finally bit the dust so I repeatedly smashed it against the concrete until I was quite certain the evil thing that lived in the optical block was dead. But, just like in "Jumanji" may God have mercy on the poor soul that finds it. I also smashed the power supply, depriving the beast of its lifeblood. In any event, a similar fate did not meet various accessories included with the unit. The guy who wanted the battery attachment bought that part, but there are more available. What I have left are two of the soft leather cases from Argentina -one fits the unit with the AA battery pack attached, the other without it, remote controls, manuals, at least one of the NiMh batteries, maybe two-some other stuff as well, I guess-whatever came with them (I had a bunch as they kept on dying and being replaced while under warranty-see story below.) I also have the AC adapter for the Sharp 702 and the external battery pack for the MZ-E3 that houses the lithium-ion battery, the credit card remote control for the ZS-M1, etc. If you're interested in any of this stuff, E me. The MZR55 was supposedly repaired by Sony a few weeks ago-the charge was $100 which I didn't pay because I told them not to do it (it was sent in along with a tripod and the MDS-JA20ES) they did it anyway and sent it back to me-evidently they didn't do a very good job or it couldn't be repaired anymore so I'm certainly glad I didn't pay for it. I used it a lot for titling whenever the MDS-JA20ES would return a disc labeled "No Name" after extensive editing when the titles would still be there but the JA20ES was unable to read them (at least it never returned a TOC error, which would have been much worse)-whereupon I would insert the disc into the MZR55 and retitle everything by writing the same titles back which the R55 could read. I would just push the buttons through the title without changing anythng and then write the new title onto the discs TOC-whereupon the JA20ES could read the titles again-but it was a real pain in the ass and the R55 did not like the process very much. Without a doubt, the R55 is the WORST of the many MD recorders I have owned-I think I fried five or six of them under warranty (mostly by renaming discs) without even trying. I hope the R90 fares better-it seems to be a more solid machine anyway. I will never, never, never again buy an R55. Incidentally, the D-VHS machine works much like a DAT or MD-it records video and audio data (not a video signal like a standard VCR) perfectly which the HDTV decoder displays on the HDTV. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
You're missing another point: I guess that if you send data at 2X/3X/4X to the MD, it will have to spin faster while recording; that implies greater power consumptions, and higher accuracy, so modifications to the MD hardware must be done anyway, and a standalone device won't be very practical without a specific MD device that could handle this. And forget about having that in portables without prohibitively rising its price... You are right. Current generation of LSI can support ATRAC-ATRAC DUBBING/4X REC. During recording, the MD has to run a 2x CLV to maintain shock resistivity. Much redesign of hardware is needed. Cost wise, a double CLV pickup cost about 10 times the current single speed CLV type. cs [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: SB-Live Digi?
Greetings once again, I am living at a new place, using a new computer, and unfortunately I am without a CD player with digital out. Translation: I can't make MD's! The worst part is, I have tons of CD's, plus my roomates 1000 to make mixes, but all I could do is analog. :( A possible stroke of light though, I seem to recall somwhere back a post about using the SB Live to get a digital output. Was that true? Guess what sound card I now have Please? Someone? -=James --- James Caran e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Res: 3242 Garfield Avenue, Alameda CA 94501 Phone: (510)523-6345 Cell: (510)823-6367 Web Crew, http://www.hyannissound.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] having a rough day?-- http://www.hamsterdance.com having a rough day that is someone else's fault?-- http://www.dogdoo.com/ Enjoy... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: SB-Live Digi?
A possible stroke of light though, I seem to recall somwhere back a post about using the SB Live to get a digital output. Was that true? Guess what sound card I now have Please? Someone? You need an optical output header. The most popular one among the MD community is the Hoontech one (www.hoontech.com), which is relatively reasonably priced. You could also build one yourself or buy one from another vendor, but I don't know of any other vendors which make SBLive optical I/O headers... - Ed. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
* Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 07 Mar 2000 | 1) The Alpha is about 4 times faster at the same clock-speed than a Pentium | class |CPU Depends on the Pentium. The ~533MHz Alpha EV67 is effectively about twice as fast as a 500MHz Pentium III Xeon (I got to play with one of Compaq's prototype "Wildfire" systems yesterday :). | 2) ATRAC is dedicated hardware. Compare it to the 3D graphics interface in |your PC. If you didn't have it, you wouldn't be able to sustain 70fps |with your favourite 3D game. I've been trying to say this all along, and I never made that analogy. Thank you. |ATRAC has changed but not dramaticly after version 3.0. The CPU's in |PC's have. There will be and there will come a time when CPU's can |do the ATRAC encoding in real time. Maybee this time has already |arrived? The changes are primarilly in the psychoacoustic model. And maybe in two or three years the average desktop machine will be powerful enough to handle ATRAC 4 (or whatever) in real time. | 3) Why is a 128kbit encoding faster than the 384kbit encoding? The |data that needs to be trown away at 128kbit is 3 times more than at |384kbit. Yep. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
