Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I do it manually. I even do the speedometer gear adjustment calculations based on final drive gearing manually, and they're a good spot harder to deal with! :) Walt, who is enjoying some NY extra-sharp, lightly toasted on split top wheat. On Dec 12, 2010 1:27 AM, "Fmiser" wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
> Craig wrote: > On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:26 -0800 Alex Chamberlain > wrote: > > > Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the > > wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: > > > > 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height > > 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall height > > 205 mm * 60% * 2 + 381 mm wheel diameter (15 in) = 627 mm > > overall wheel-and-tire diameter > > 195 mm * 65% * 2 + 381 mm = 634.5 mm overall wheel-and-tire > > diameter > > No need to do the math, just go to > http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html I built a spreadsheet quite a while ago. It makes it easy to compare a bunch of different sizes. You didn't think I did the math _manually_ did you?? *chuckle* --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 959
Daydreaming a bit here. One other car that could do it back then, and my all time favourite car, was the RUF CTR. To me, it was everything an early 911 was, just taken to a higher, MUCH higher level. The 959 was brilliant, but I always thought of it as more of an engineering exercise, much as the Bugatti Vayron is today. I was lucky enough to have several correspondences from Mr. Ruf while I was editor of our regional Porsche Club magazine, many years ago. He also introduced me to a gentleman, who is a car enthousast in the truest sense of the word, and a fellow who has become a dear friend over the past 20 years or so. He is also the proud owner of a RUF RTC. He changes rear tires on a regular basis, to which Mr. Ruf says, "good, you must be driving it properly." :-) He is also friends with the fellow who owns the only "real" RUF CTR (first gen Yellowbird) in North America. Featured in Excellence a year or so ago. OK, enough dreaming.. Ed 300E On 12 December 2010 00:44, wrote: > > ...What was the saying about the old Porsche 959. The Porsche engineers > > see no > > reason to make it simple, when they can make it with 3 times the number > of > > parts, and cost 10 times more, and do the same job... > > > Well but, that was 1987 and what other cars could do 200mph then? Never > certified here but the rest of the world bought them all. > > RLE > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:46:28 -0700 Craig wrote: > Unfortunately you can copy from the page and paste, ^^^ It should say, "cannot ..." Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 959
Few if anything could do it back then, and I'm sure even today, 25 years on, few do it with as much stability and safety. When Porsche put out their C4 Carrera, it too was much more complicated than other offerings. They simplified it quite a bit when they offered it in their 993 based cars, as you know. They also did some tuning and refining as the early C4s were under-steering pigs when pushed. Back to the 959. A friend who was very well connected within Porsche, drove a 959 a number of years back on the Autobahn in the pouring rain. He said he was amazed how cautious the other drivers were in the wet, until he looked at the speedo and noticed he was doing 170 mph. He said it was so stable, it almost defied physics. This from a man with a LOT of seat time at the track, in a variety of cars, and on bikes. Not sure what your laws are in the US, but as the car is now older, it qualifies for entry into Canada, unaltered. If the same holds true for the US, buy a lotto ticket, I do see them come up for sale from time to time. Would be a nice addition to your garage, to keep your 944 company. ;-) Ed 300E 911SC On 12 December 2010 00:44, wrote: > > ...What was the saying about the old Porsche 959. The Porsche engineers > > see no > > reason to make it simple, when they can make it with 3 times the number > of > > parts, and cost 10 times more, and do the same job... > > > Well but, that was 1987 and what other cars could do 200mph then? Never > certified here but the rest of the world bought them all. > > RLE > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Alignments do provide revenue for a dealer, and good revenue. If they didn't, we'd still be driving cars with solid rear axles and non-adjustable front ends. (same reason Ferrari dealers never really complained to the engineers to much about having to take the engine out of a Testarossa to change the water pump) If you are getting a full alignment at the dealer, and your car is 10-15 years old, expect several of the rubber bits to require replacement, with dealer parts. I'm not suggesting you or anyone should pass on needed replacement items, or put off properly servicing a car. I'm just saying, most likely by the time you have done a proper full alignment at the dealer on your older car, you will have well earned, and dare I say, paid for, your "free" Roadside Assistance. Dealers do not operate as charities for those of us who have a thing for German iron. Ed 300E On 12 December 2010 00:07, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Getting your car aligned at the stealer does nothing for MB. Assuming the > stealership is not gaming the system (that is a stretch), buying parts from > the stealer does help MB. > > > You don't think the premium you will pay for your dealer alignment isn't >> in >> part going towards covering your "free" roadside assist? Nothing in life >> is >> free. MB is a for profit business (which I'm all for), so if they're >> giving >> you something, you're paying for it one way or another. >> >> Hey, I'm not knocking Benz dealers, or the good ones. I buy most of my >> parts from them, and have offered to let them find and sell me cars on two >> occasions (OK, they fell through on both occasions). But I'm fully aware >> that part of the price of those oil filters and other bits I buy, just >> like >> your alignment, is helping to pay for the "free" stuff. ;-) >> >> Ed >> 300E >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 959
> ...What was the saying about the old Porsche 959. The Porsche engineers > see no > reason to make it simple, when they can make it with 3 times the number of > parts, and cost 10 times more, and do the same job... > Well but, that was 1987 and what other cars could do 200mph then? Never certified here but the rest of the world bought them all. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roadside Assistance
OK guys, since we're on the topic of roadside assist, thought I'd throw out what it currently is, as I've only owned a Benz for 3-4 years. I don't know what other long term owners got from the service. So here it is I live in Canada, so this may differ somewhat from what most of you get in the US, maybe not. Take from a 2010 Canadian E Class sales brochure. 24-hour Roadside Assistance. During the basic warranty coverage of 48 months and the time duration of the optional Extended Limited Warranty, Mercedes-Benz Roadside Assistance will be at your service. We'll bring you some gas, replace a flat tire with your spare, or jumpstart your car. In the event of a mechanical breakdown, if attempts by our Roadside Assistance technician have not made your vehicle safely operable, towing service will be provided to the nearest Mercedes-Benz dealership. Assistance is available 24 hours a day, every day, to anyone driving a Mercedes-Benz anywhere in Canada or the continental U.S.. ** ** (fine print) Vehicle must be accessible from the main road. Roadside Assistance may involve charges for parts, service and towing. Depending on the circumstances, these services may be provided by an outside service provider, courtesy of Mercedes-Benz Roadside assistance. For full details of the Roadside Assistance Program, please see your dealer. There are other topics covered on the page too, such as Wear and tear period, Mercedes-Benz warranties, Customer Service, and Trip Interruption reimbursement. There it is Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Getting your car aligned at the stealer does nothing for MB. Assuming the stealership is not gaming the system (that is a stretch), buying parts from the stealer does help MB. You don't think the premium you will pay for your dealer alignment isn't in part going towards covering your "free" roadside assist? Nothing in life is free. MB is a for profit business (which I'm all for), so if they're giving you something, you're paying for it one way or another. Hey, I'm not knocking Benz dealers, or the good ones. I buy most of my parts from them, and have offered to let them find and sell me cars on two occasions (OK, they fell through on both occasions). But I'm fully aware that part of the price of those oil filters and other bits I buy, just like your alignment, is helping to pay for the "free" stuff. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
What was the saying about the old Porsche 959. The Porsche engineers see no reason to make it simple, when they can make it with 3 times the number of parts, and cost 10 times more, and do the same job. hee hee. Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 23:56, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > h you said the reason. "simple." Gadget geeks won't use simple > when complex and unreliable is available. > > Witness: 1. the crypsler ACC used by MB >2. in the USA, only ACC2 was available when the rest of the world > had the simple, reliable heat and AC controls available >3. all the "features" listed in the prior email that are expensive, > unreliable and high cost to maintain. >4. Etc etc. > > > Is that the "senses when your finger is on the glass and doesn't pinch it, >> but when it goes defective the window refuses to move at all" system? >> >> If so, whatever happened to a simple current sense that shuts down the >> motor, or a slip clutch? >> >> Walt >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
Read your mail from a coupla days ago about whoever was looking for a new diesel. --R On 12/11/2010 6:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: What white one? You talking about the one the guy I know is selling? That car is probably as close to perfect as one can be for its age, this one, who knows... What is the price of the 20-minute-away one that you know? The seller has another white 1992 300D for twice the money. Tell us more about the perfect one 20 minutes away? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Amen! The same thing happens with software. Programmers find some new trick, so they have to work it into the software. the software get bloated, the new trick doesn't follow the rules, so then unexpected hangs and crashes occur. Feature creep is dangerous in software, in projects, in aircraft and yes, in cars. The marketing bozo forget the first rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid.Complexity is not just S.T.U.P.I.D. it is dangerous, especially when it is unnecessary. I like my SDL, because it doesn't talk back, doesn't have a computer to run the engine, doesn't have double pane windows, etc. I like my 124 because it is simpler than the SDL. I like the 240D because it is simpler yet. I like the 200D because it is still simpler, and is very nice to drive. Lexus has them too, in some models. Not just argon filled, but they are colored as well, so you have to get one that matches the rest... They also have "smart" window motors, although I don't know if they are as much of a hassle as MBs or not. Can you spell S..T...U..P...I...D? The numbskulls who thought this stuff up forgot that one of the reasons people (yeah, even rich ones) bought them because they hold their value so well. Grossly expensive replacements for stuff that breaks all the time and cannot be fixed but has to be swapped out kill resale value, and the idea of dumping a hundred grand on a car with no resale value might seem reasonable to a street walker turned movie star, but business people with lots of money HAVE lots of money because the watch every single penny of it. Disposable luxury cars only work if you just lease them, and then the dealer or manufacturer is stuck with a huge loss. Teenybopper marketing gone wild! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
h you said the reason. "simple." Gadget geeks won't use simple when complex and unreliable is available. Witness: 1. the crypsler ACC used by MB 2. in the USA, only ACC2 was available when the rest of the world had the simple, reliable heat and AC controls available 3. all the "features" listed in the prior email that are expensive, unreliable and high cost to maintain. 4. Etc etc. Is that the "senses when your finger is on the glass and doesn't pinch it, but when it goes defective the window refuses to move at all" system? If so, whatever happened to a simple current sense that shuts down the motor, or a slip clutch? Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] looking for freebies
On 11 December 2010 19:47, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "The MB Roadside Assistance was a Class program from a company that used to > be very classy. Now it is just a gimmick to try to drag > unwilling/unsuspecting owners into a stealership to be ripped off.." > That's kind of the impression I got when I read of the service on the back of a recent sales brochure. It was kind of, we'll get you on your way with the really simple stuff, or give you a tow to the dealer. If they pick up the bill for your hotel room one night, I'm guessing most repair bills sufficient to cover that cost, and see them with a bit (or a lot) of money in their pockets. hee hee Again, I have not problem with a company making money, but I'm not sure just how much of a "favour" roadside assist would really be to me. I'm not sure I could afford the free help. Ed 300E > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:26 -0800 Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the > wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: > > 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height > 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall height > 205 mm * 60% * 2 + 381 mm wheel diameter (15 in) = 627 mm overall > wheel-and-tire diameter > 195 mm * 65% * 2 + 381 mm = 634.5 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter No need to do the math, just go to http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html With a "Stock" tire of 195/65-15 and a "New" tire of 205/60-15, it says, Speedometer reading with non-stock tire is 1.2% too fast. When your speedo reads 60mph, you are actually traveling 59.3 mph. Unfortunately you can copy from the page and paste, but you can try all sorts of different combinations, including one for Wilton, With a 205/30-20, speedometer reading with non-stock tire is 0.6% too fast. 60 mph reading gives 59.7 actual. The 145/30-22 also works, as does the 215/75-12! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
That was the engine harness. The whole body harness is suspect, too, and the engine harness doesn't include the computer connections Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] looking for freebies
BT Wrong! [I figgered woger would try to inflate himself with this topic.] I have a long history and relationship with MB in the USA, whether MBNA or MBUSA. Each stealership is an independent business. I have no relationship with most of them. There is one dealer in CA and one dealer in VA that I will do business with. Every year I buy hundreds or thousands of $$ worth of parts from MB, if directly from dealers or via Rusty. I have purchased just about every major part from dealers including heads, complete short blocks, suspension and lot of body parts. I have had valued friendships with highly placed MBNA folks. This is a decision by MBUSA to cheap out. It has nothing to do with the many independent stealerships that I refuse to give my business to, if by distrust or by distance. The MB Roadside Assistance was a Class program from a company that used to be very classy. Now it is just a gimmick to try to drag unwilling/unsuspecting owners into a stealership to be ripped off. Recall that many on this list have had stealers try to charge 3-4 times list for "genuine" MB parts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the joy of a 140
> The only design faults were in the early ones that had mostly to do > with the engine wiring harness and some suspension stuff which > would have since been corrected. They are not really any more difficult > to work on than say a 124... > Your selective memory seems to have overlooked the most famous of all, which has been discussed here so many times that I won't mention it. Then there is the locking system, the trunk and door closers, the inside mirror which MUST NOT be manually adjusted. Oh, and the seat adjusters. Repair costs will always be for an $80K car, even though it may be worth $2000. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Replacing all the wiring harnesses on my 94 S350 was <$400. If you are used to pricing you typically see on parts for a 240 (the last 240 I bought cost me $157 for the whole running car), then yes they are expensive but then it's my favorite "money pit". The S600s are to be avoided at any cost. A local guy here learned that the hard way and I learned it from him before I bought one. If you are concerned about the electronics, then get a 98 or 99 that has a standard ODBII port. You can debug those with a Harbor Freight code reader. The only people I know who complain about W140's are those who have not owned them or who own ones that are so far gone they should scrapped. It's a sweet ride! If you are unfortunate enough to be stuck with a 99 S500 with ESP, I'll take it off you hands for $500 :-) -Dave Walton On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:33 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > There is no problem with the window in use. It's when it gets broken and > sets you back $1200 that it gets to be a pain. > > W140's had electronics failure rates about the same as W124 evaporator > failure rates -- that is to say, we are at 50% replacements on the ones in > the family, and one cars is losing freon that has NOT had one done yet. > > Recalling a Benz because the front suspension fails in normal use at a very > high rate is a SERIOUS design failure. Add in the "can't touch that" wiring > harness (and it's true of ALL of them, not just the 92-94 ones the harness > was replaced on), and they aren't good cars unless you have a warrentee and > lots o' dough. > > Only car I've every heard of where the dealer service people will tell you > NOT to unplug a computer (there are three, I believe, on the diesel) because > when you flex the bundle of wires going into the computer, the insulation > will fail and you will have to replace not only the computer if it shorts > out, but install a new (and very expensive) wiring harness. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Be careful: some of those Michelin specials have REALLY narrow purchase windows, with things like "must be purchased from warehouse stock on hand" etc. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
I was making a blanket statment, as most of my experience with auto glass that's in need of repair have been "ouch, that hurt the wallet...". I assumed that there would be a heafty price premium to fix/repair if anything ever went wrong. In my eyes, there's only a few benefits for a lot more possible issues down the road. Hence the "I must be a pesemist" comment. Sorry if I stepped on any toes. Walt, who slinks back to the Mitsubishi corner for a while. On Dec 11, 2010 10:08 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
There is no problem with the window in use. It's when it gets broken and sets you back $1200 that it gets to be a pain. W140's had electronics failure rates about the same as W124 evaporator failure rates -- that is to say, we are at 50% replacements on the ones in the family, and one cars is losing freon that has NOT had one done yet. Recalling a Benz because the front suspension fails in normal use at a very high rate is a SERIOUS design failure. Add in the "can't touch that" wiring harness (and it's true of ALL of them, not just the 92-94 ones the harness was replaced on), and they aren't good cars unless you have a warrentee and lots o' dough. Only car I've every heard of where the dealer service people will tell you NOT to unplug a computer (there are three, I believe, on the diesel) because when you flex the bundle of wires going into the computer, the insulation will fail and you will have to replace not only the computer if it shorts out, but install a new (and very expensive) wiring harness. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Absolutely. Wilton - Original Message - From: "E M" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out You don't think the premium you will pay for your dealer alignment isn't in part going towards covering your "free" roadside assist? Nothing in life is free. MB is a for profit business (which I'm all for), so if they're giving you something, you're paying for it one way or another. Hey, I'm not knocking Benz dealers, or the good ones. I buy most of my parts from them, and have offered to let them find and sell me cars on two occasions (OK, they fell through on both occasions). But I'm fully aware that part of the price of those oil filters and other bits I buy, just like your alignment, is helping to pay for the "free" stuff. ;-) Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 18:18, wrote: Well, I'll give you the other side. I've purchased two old MBs used from private owners. I've received MB roadside assistance on both (dead battery and a flat tire change). So, I didn't pay big bucks up front...I've let you other fellows do that and I've benefited from you wealth...thank you folks! Anyway, my point was again, that I need an alignment anyway, so I'll get it, which I need, get the free roadside assistance, and NOT pay AAA or Allstate or whoever for roadside assistance. But as always, everyone is free to make their own decision and choice. Best wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
What problems would that be? I have never seen or heard of 140's with problems with the double pane windows. I have personally never had a car with problems with that, and I have not talked to anybody that has but I suppose somehow somewhere there might be somebody with a problem. On 12/11/2010 9:06 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: I'm not discounting the benefits of double-pane glass, but in vehicle applications it's not quite practical once problems set in. Like everything in life, when it works it's beautiful. That and these cars, when new, wouldn't normally in the price range of most people who get them used, and the parts costs sneak up. I'm just becoming a bit of a pesemistic 20-something I guess... Walt On Dec 11, 2010 9:53 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
I'm not discounting the benefits of double-pane glass, but in vehicle applications it's not quite practical once problems set in. Like everything in life, when it works it's beautiful. That and these cars, when new, wouldn't normally in the price range of most people who get them used, and the parts costs sneak up. I'm just becoming a bit of a pesemistic 20-something I guess... Walt On Dec 11, 2010 9:53 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
The only design faults were in the early ones that had mostly to do with the engine wiring harness and some suspension stuff which would have since been corrected. They are not really any more difficult to work on than say a 124. On 12/11/2010 8:56 PM, E M wrote: It is a shame they have so many design faults, as they are still one of my favourite large Mercedes sedans. I liked the styling, and I found the few I've been in to have very comfortable seats. Much more comfortable than what replaced it, and even more comfortable than the current S, which I happen to love. Ed 300E On -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
It is a shame they have so many design faults, as they are still one of my favourite large Mercedes sedans. I liked the styling, and I found the few I've been in to have very comfortable seats. Much more comfortable than what replaced it, and even more comfortable than the current S, which I happen to love. Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 21:51, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I have had several 140's without any problems at all. > > On 12/11/2010 5:54 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: > >> why dont you speak of 140's? Is it because they are not cheap >>> class?.. >>> >>> Because the 140 may have been the biggest disaster for Mercedes in their >> history. The warranty costs were monumental and it cost MB so much that >> the >> manager of the 140 program was demoted to run a truck plant in Malaysia. >> >> And look at the market and the resale value today. >> >> A late 140 when 100% up and running (you would know nothing about that) is >> >> a nice car but the design errors will keep the running costs high forever. >> >> BTW, my cheap class just turned 24K miles and is the most reliable MB I've >> >> ever owned. >> >> RLE >> >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 >> >> >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
--R wrote: > What white one? You talking about the one the guy I know is selling? That > car is probably as close to perfect as one can be for its age, this one, who > knows... What is the price of the 20-minute-away one that you know? The seller has another white 1992 300D for twice the money. Tell us more about the perfect one 20 minutes away? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Yep, they are great. They never fog up, they make for a super quiet interior, the 140 is really a great car. On 12/11/2010 6:34 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Dual pane windows? In a CAR? Someone was smokng some good peyote... Walt -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
I have had several 140's without any problems at all. On 12/11/2010 5:54 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: why dont you speak of 140's? Is it because they are not cheap class?.. Because the 140 may have been the biggest disaster for Mercedes in their history. The warranty costs were monumental and it cost MB so much that the manager of the 140 program was demoted to run a truck plant in Malaysia. And look at the market and the resale value today. A late 140 when 100% up and running (you would know nothing about that) is a nice car but the design errors will keep the running costs high forever. BTW, my cheap class just turned 24K miles and is the most reliable MB I've ever owned. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Roger wrote << It does not seem to be an unreasonable requirement from MBNA>> Ditto - I always considered it a bit over the top for them to provide roadside help for any MB no matter how old. LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: roger...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:35 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out I received the same letter, but my copy indicated that if I had spent $100.00 within the last 18 months or continue to receive service at an authorized dealer, I would continue to get free roadside assistance. I don't see this as a major problem. I could take my car in for an alignment once a year and maintain the free roadside assistance. It does not seem to be an unreasonable requirement from MBNA. Sometimes, I think we all get spoiled with too many "free" items. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL Scam?
I ran across a similar scam for a 98 911 Turbo - a $40k-$50K car that he was willing to sell for $12K. He said the car was in Italy and if I would commit to buy and put a small deposit up ($1500 IIRC) he ship it to the airport nearest me. I asked for details and it seemed the car was at a shipping location and he could not access it - but he assured m it would be easy to inspect/reject one it arrived at my local airport. I have a "email friend" in UK who offered to go to Italy and inspect the car - if as advertised he tell me and I'd send the money and my friend would drive it back to UK for me to ship back. Never heard from the seller after that... LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: roger...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:35 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] CL Scam? Yes, this is a scam. I found one for a Jeep Cherokee. Jeep was in WI and his response to my email was the same...deploying back to Af and needed to sell by Dec. 05. This was a CL in Atlanta. I searched and also found it in Dallas and LA. In Dallas, he was a childless couple with 12 cars and needed to reduce his collection. In all cases, he was selling a $12,000 Jeep for $2700. Very appealing right? I know CL is big, but just like eBay, when it looks funny, it usually is. Run don't walk from these offers. They play on the hard economic times and poor soldier being redeployed tactics. These people should be publicly punished. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
You don't think the premium you will pay for your dealer alignment isn't in part going towards covering your "free" roadside assist? Nothing in life is free. MB is a for profit business (which I'm all for), so if they're giving you something, you're paying for it one way or another. Hey, I'm not knocking Benz dealers, or the good ones. I buy most of my parts from them, and have offered to let them find and sell me cars on two occasions (OK, they fell through on both occasions). But I'm fully aware that part of the price of those oil filters and other bits I buy, just like your alignment, is helping to pay for the "free" stuff. ;-) Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 18:18, wrote: > Well, I'll give you the other side. I've purchased two old MBs used from > private owners. I've received MB roadside assistance on both (dead battery > and a flat tire change). So, I didn't pay big bucks up front...I've let you > other fellows do that and I've benefited from you wealth...thank you folks! > Anyway, my point was again, that I need an alignment anyway, so I'll get it, > which I need, get the free roadside assistance, and NOT pay AAA or Allstate > or whoever for roadside assistance. But as always, everyone is free to make > their own decision and choice. > Best wishes, > Roger Hale > Monroe, Ga. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Well, I guess that's helpful to keep folks in MBCA. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out Apparently if you've been an MBCA member for at least twelve months prior to the initiation of this new policy which begins in January 2011 then you are still covered by roadside assistance. You have to currently be a member in good standing. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:18 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Well, I'll give you the other side. I've purchased two old MBs used from private owners. I've received MB roadside assistance on both (dead battery and a flat tire change). So, I didn't pay big bucks up front...I've let you other fellows do that and I've benefited from you wealth...thank you folks! Anyway, my point was again, that I need an alignment anyway, so I'll get it, which I need, get the free roadside assistance, and NOT pay AAA or Allstate or whoever for roadside assistance. But as always, everyone is free to make their own decision and choice. Best wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Will let you know how it goes... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I have never heard of tire buyer before, but I checked the Altimax HP, which I run on my 140SD and they are the same price as tirerack, but they have free shipping, so I would be saving about $70. Do they always have free shipping? Anybody used them before? On 12/11/2010 2:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need > them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no > rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that > looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake > place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK > but I really like Geralds. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Mitch Haley > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? > > Max Dillon wrote: >> OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: >> >> Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special > price >> for December) >> -or- >> General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). >> >> Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... > I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I > bought them. > You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate > on > Michelin and Bridgestone right now. > The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are > the > #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest > > ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15". Yeah, I'd be all over those > Bridgestones, if > I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I > lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
$264 - $70 December special rebate. Look closely - I missed it at first myself. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack On 12/11/2010 1:33 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: > > Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price > for December) > -or- > General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). > > Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... > > -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Walt Zarnoch wrote: Dual pane windows? In a CAR? Someone was smokng some good peyote... And that's why 1/3 of all used W140s are advertised with 'bulletproof glass'. Oh really? Does it weigh 8,000lb, or only 6,000lb? If it only weighs 6k, it's not armored, it's just a pig. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Duh, I got it! A slip clutch won't roll the window down an inch when it hits your finger, but you can program the computerized one to retract 1.118 inches, because that is OPTIMAL distance. Just ask Mort, he drew it all up on the back of that napkin at the bar... Walt, who is having fun watching a hyperactive dwarf rabbit right now. On Dec 11, 2010 8:01 PM, "Peter Frederick" wrote: > I guess you should ask Citroen, who has used a slip clutch on "safety > windows" since the early 50's. > > But you know, if there is a digital computer involved, it just HAS to > be better, eh? > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
I guess you should ask Citroen, who has used a slip clutch on "safety windows" since the early 50's. But you know, if there is a digital computer involved, it just HAS to be better, eh? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
--R wrote: > What white one? You talking about the one the guy I know is selling? That > car is probably as close to perfect as one can be for its age, this one, who > knows... What is the price of the 20-minute-away one that you know? The seller has another white 1992 300D for twice the money. Tell us more about the perfect one 20 minutes away? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Is that the "senses when your finger is on the glass and doesn't pinch it, but when it goes defective the window refuses to move at all" system? If so, whatever happened to a simple current sense that shuts down the motor, or a slip clutch? Walt On Dec 11, 2010 7:48 PM, "Peter Frederick" wrote: > Lexus has them too, in some models. Not just argon filled, but they > are colored as well, so you have to get one that matches the rest... > They also have "smart" window motors, although I don't know if they > are as much of a hassle as MBs or not. > > Can you spell S..T...U..P...I...D? > > The numbskulls who thought this stuff up forgot that one of the > reasons people (yeah, even rich ones) bought them because they hold > their value so well. Grossly expensive replacements for stuff that > breaks all the time and cannot be fixed but has to be swapped out > kill resale value, and the idea of dumping a hundred grand on a car > with no resale value might seem reasonable to a street walker turned > movie star, but business people with lots of money HAVE lots of money > because the watch every single penny of it. Disposable luxury cars > only work if you just lease them, and then the dealer or manufacturer > is stuck with a huge loss. > > Teenybopper marketing gone wild! > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Apparently if you've been an MBCA member for at least twelve months prior to the initiation of this new policy which begins in January 2011 then you are still covered by roadside assistance. You have to currently be a member in good standing. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:18 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Well, I'll give you the other side. I've purchased two old MBs used from private owners. I've received MB roadside assistance on both (dead battery and a flat tire change). So, I didn't pay big bucks up front...I've let you other fellows do that and I've benefited from you wealth...thank you folks! Anyway, my point was again, that I need an alignment anyway, so I'll get it, which I need, get the free roadside assistance, and NOT pay AAA or Allstate or whoever for roadside assistance. But as always, everyone is free to make their own decision and choice. Best wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Lexus has them too, in some models. Not just argon filled, but they are colored as well, so you have to get one that matches the rest... They also have "smart" window motors, although I don't know if they are as much of a hassle as MBs or not. Can you spell S..T...U..P...I...D? The numbskulls who thought this stuff up forgot that one of the reasons people (yeah, even rich ones) bought them because they hold their value so well. Grossly expensive replacements for stuff that breaks all the time and cannot be fixed but has to be swapped out kill resale value, and the idea of dumping a hundred grand on a car with no resale value might seem reasonable to a street walker turned movie star, but business people with lots of money HAVE lots of money because the watch every single penny of it. Disposable luxury cars only work if you just lease them, and then the dealer or manufacturer is stuck with a huge loss. Teenybopper marketing gone wild! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M115 / W115 220 distributor nightmare
It has been a long time for me too, but it seems that the drive may be made to accommodate some degree of misalignment. (flex drive) Is there any rotational play? Since you say the bearings are tight, if the centrifugal advance is ok and the vacuum advance works, it should be good unless there is rotational play in the drive adapter. Patience everyone: it has been a long string of diesels since I last had a distributor out of a gas-powered car... So I removed the dizzy from the M115 to see why it had jammed. One thing I noticed immediately upon removal is that the drive bit at the base of it is VERY loose and can be tilted axially by a good 10-15 degrees. It seems improper that the only thing connecting it to the dizzy shaft is the locating pin, but what do I know... There's also a multi-millimetre gap between that drive bit and the remainder of the dizzy shaft. It can be pushed up quite easily. The shaft itself and the rotor do not seem to have any play. The whole thing rotates easily, but i have not yet dismantled it to inspect the flyweights. The body of the distributor appears to have been fiddled-with in the past, as it has two holes for the points wires, one of which is clearly a hack. Is it seeming like I should think about a replacement dizzy? Pic attached showing the angle that can be achieved at the drive bit. D. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1938325 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101211/83e8a488/attachment.jpe> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Dual pane windows? In a CAR? Someone was smokng some good peyote... Walt On Dec 11, 2010 7:31 PM, "Peter Frederick" wrote: > Yeah, my Indie was warned by the Indianapolis dealer not to get one. > People were dumping them the day the extended warrenty was up, since > they had had upwards of $12,000 worth of warrenty work already -- > relay "packs", engine computers, fried wiring, climate control > computers, and the replacements had already failed! > > Piss poor design by children who were totally starry-eyed over > electronics. Also suffered from stupid stuff like dual pane argon > filled windows that cost $1000 to replace when your neighbor's idiot > child threw a rock over the fence, $300 window motors that had to be > programmed to work, and it goes on and on. > > Lovely cars, but I hardly ever see one now. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
Yeah, my Indie was warned by the Indianapolis dealer not to get one. People were dumping them the day the extended warrenty was up, since they had had upwards of $12,000 worth of warrenty work already -- relay "packs", engine computers, fried wiring, climate control computers, and the replacements had already failed! Piss poor design by children who were totally starry-eyed over electronics. Also suffered from stupid stuff like dual pane argon filled windows that cost $1000 to replace when your neighbor's idiot child threw a rock over the fence, $300 window motors that had to be programmed to work, and it goes on and on. Lovely cars, but I hardly ever see one now. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] looking for freebies
Get yer nomex, nomex suits half price, discount flamethrowers 75% off... Walt, who has to laugh. On Dec 11, 2010 7:15 PM, wrote: >> ...Last time I had a dealer work on my car was a long-long time ago... >> > And yet you are bitching to one and all that a company that you have no > relationship with isn't willing to spend money on you. > > This does not compute, somehow. > > RLE >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] looking for freebies
> ...Last time I had a dealer work on my car was a long-long time ago... > And yet you are bitching to one and all that a company that you have no relationship with isn't willing to spend money on you. This does not compute, somehow. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140
> why dont you speak of 140's? Is it because they are not cheap > class?.. > Because the 140 may have been the biggest disaster for Mercedes in their history. The warranty costs were monumental and it cost MB so much that the manager of the 140 program was demoted to run a truck plant in Malaysia. And look at the market and the resale value today. A late 140 when 100% up and running (you would know nothing about that) is a nice car but the design errors will keep the running costs high forever. BTW, my cheap class just turned 24K miles and is the most reliable MB I've ever owned. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M115 / W115 220 distributor nightmare
IIRC, that is the same with most older Bosch dizzies - I'm guessing that it compensates for any mis- alignment with the shaft driving it from below. I don't think that is your problem, but someone with more recent experience might know otherwise. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:03 PM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > Patience everyone: it has been a long string of diesels since I last had a > distributor out of a gas-powered car... > > So I removed the dizzy from the M115 to see why it had jammed. One thing I > noticed immediately upon removal is that the drive bit at the base of it is > VERY loose and can be tilted axially by a good 10-15 degrees. It seems > improper that the only thing connecting it to the dizzy shaft is the > locating pin, but what do I know... There's also a multi-millimetre gap > between that drive bit and the remainder of the dizzy shaft. It can be > pushed up quite easily. The shaft itself and the rotor do not seem to have > any play. The whole thing rotates easily, but i have not yet dismantled it > to inspect the flyweights. > > The body of the distributor appears to have been fiddled-with in the past, > as it has two holes for the points wires, one of which is clearly a hack. > > Is it seeming like I should think about a replacement dizzy? > > Pic attached showing the angle that can be achieved at the drive bit. > > D. > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: photo.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1938325 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101211/83e8a488/attachment.jpe > > > ___ > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Well, I'll give you the other side. I've purchased two old MBs used from private owners. I've received MB roadside assistance on both (dead battery and a flat tire change). So, I didn't pay big bucks up front...I've let you other fellows do that and I've benefited from you wealth...thank you folks! Anyway, my point was again, that I need an alignment anyway, so I'll get it, which I need, get the free roadside assistance, and NOT pay AAA or Allstate or whoever for roadside assistance. But as always, everyone is free to make their own decision and choice. Best wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] M115 / W115 220 distributor nightmare
Patience everyone: it has been a long string of diesels since I last had a distributor out of a gas-powered car... So I removed the dizzy from the M115 to see why it had jammed. One thing I noticed immediately upon removal is that the drive bit at the base of it is VERY loose and can be tilted axially by a good 10-15 degrees. It seems improper that the only thing connecting it to the dizzy shaft is the locating pin, but what do I know... There's also a multi-millimetre gap between that drive bit and the remainder of the dizzy shaft. It can be pushed up quite easily. The shaft itself and the rotor do not seem to have any play. The whole thing rotates easily, but i have not yet dismantled it to inspect the flyweights. The body of the distributor appears to have been fiddled-with in the past, as it has two holes for the points wires, one of which is clearly a hack. Is it seeming like I should think about a replacement dizzy? Pic attached showing the angle that can be achieved at the drive bit. D. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1938325 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101211/83e8a488/attachment.jpe> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
'Better snap it up. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D? What white one? You talking about the one the guy I know is selling? That car is probably as close to perfect as one can be for its age, this one, who knows... I am sorta in the neighborhood, this CL car is probably 45 min away (but just about everything is 45 min away from where I live, except for the white car is maybe 20min away) --R On 12/11/2010 4:08 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2107037482.html I like that. Are you in the neighborhood? And... what is with the white one for twice as much? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anyone near Hartford?
A friend is interested in an MB near Hartford, CT. Is anyone near enough to be able to check it out? Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack There's a rebate on a set of four, in the form of a $70 Amex gift card. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Evidently the stealerships in your neck of the woods are better than the ones around here. 30 years ago, even 20 years ago, there were many good long time dealerships with knowledgeable staff around here. Then the MadAve geniuses got ahold of MBNA, changed it to MBUSA, kicked out all the good dealers and set up stealers under new ownership with kids that are parts changers. (Not to mention making cheapo plastic cars) There is not a stealer within 250 miles I would even let change the oil in one of my cars. Even if I had a brand new $100k S. Last time I had a dealer work on my car was a long-long time ago. I received the same letter, but my copy indicated that if I had spent $100.00 within the last 18 months or continue to receive service at an authorized dealer, I would continue to get free roadside assistance. I don't see this as a major problem. I could take my car in for an alignment once a year and maintain the free roadside assistance. It does not seem to be an unreasonable requirement from MBNA. Sometimes, I think we all get spoiled with too many "free" items. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
Kaleb has one. They ARE nice! I want a 124 diesel wagon I've decided. Help. Bob R On Dec 11, 2010 1:08 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: --R wrote: > http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2107037482.html I like that. Are you in the neighborhood? And... what is with the white one for twice as much? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
I doubt if there are too many people with older cars that take advantage of this service -- what, like maybe every few years if a battery dies or a tire goes flat, if they even remember to call MB. Some bean counter probably figures they can save a $mil or so a year by pissing off the few MB customers and drivers who use the service without the service. Smart move. --R On 12/11/2010 1:34 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I got a letter from MBNA saying that they are "expanding coverage" by dropping the service for anyone who does not get their car "regularly serviced" at a MB stealership. If your car is under warranty, you are still covered. If you don't buy your car from a stealership you will never be covered. The MB Roadside Assistance was a cool thing. Now it is not. RIP MB Roadside Assistance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I have never heard of tire buyer before, but I checked the Altimax HP, which I run on my 140SD and they are the same price as tirerack, but they have free shipping, so I would be saving about $70. Do they always have free shipping? Anybody used them before? On 12/11/2010 2:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK but I really like Geralds. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15". Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
What white one? You talking about the one the guy I know is selling? That car is probably as close to perfect as one can be for its age, this one, who knows... I am sorta in the neighborhood, this CL car is probably 45 min away (but just about everything is 45 min away from where I live, except for the white car is maybe 20min away) --R On 12/11/2010 4:08 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2107037482.html I like that. Are you in the neighborhood? And... what is with the white one for twice as much? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack On 12/11/2010 1:33 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
If you live where it snows, buy blizzaks unless you want to spend $100+ each for scando-Noko tires. Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15". Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
I want a 124 diesel wagon I've decided. Help. Bob R On Dec 11, 2010 1:08 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: > > --R wrote: > > http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2107037482.html > > I like that. > Are you in the neighborhood? > And... what is with the white one for twice as much? > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
--R wrote: > http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2107037482.html I like that. Are you in the neighborhood? And... what is with the white one for twice as much? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
> Rolf wrote: > I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. > It covers the manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the > mid 70s to mid80s (no 201 or 124 stuff). If you are interested > I can email you a url. I think its about ye (100mb) big. Oh. I'd like a copy of that. A URL would be great! If you don't want the URL in the list archive, just send it to me directly. Thanks! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
I agree. Its not the services received are "free" its that they are earned. The purchase of a Benz provides the *expectation* that road side service be included, just like providing for the all of our freedoms through military service provides medical care as compensation for said service. Thank you for your service, Wilton. As a Side note - I hate it when these agreements change after purchase. I am a rather young working guy, but my father is a retired civil servant. He received fair compensation for his 30 years of dedicated service, but those years of service came with the promise of health care for himself and my mother, dental care, and some other benefits. Now that poor financial decisions have been made by our state, the rules are changing. This is fundementally unfair. Thanks for listening to my rant Peter On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, WILTON wrote: > Absolutely, it's well paid for, not FREE. In the same manner that I've > have never gotten any FREE medical care, etc., as part of my military > retirement "compensation." It's all damned well paid for. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "E M" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out > > > > When you pay $50-100,000+ for a new Benz, I don't think there are any free >> items. You have paid for all the so called "included services" many many >> times over up front, whether you ever use them or not. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 11 December 2010 14:35, wrote: >> >> I received the same letter, but my copy indicated that if I had spent >>> $100.00 within the last 18 months or continue to receive service at an >>> authorized dealer, I would continue to get free roadside assistance. I >>> don't >>> see this as a major problem. I could take my car in for an alignment once >>> a >>> year and maintain the free roadside assistance. It does not seem to be an >>> unreasonable requirement from MBNA. Sometimes, I think we all get spoiled >>> with too many "free" items. >>> Best Wishes, >>> Roger Hale >>> Monroe, Ga. >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, > but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help > anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend > 205s on a 124. > > With all due respect to Loren, I think a mountain is being made out of a molehill here. Of course there is a difference in width between the two sizes, which, all other things being equal, ought to mean slightly better handling with the 205s since there's a slightly larger contact patch. Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall height 205 mm * 60% * 2 + 381 mm wheel diameter (15 in) = 627 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter 195 mm * 65% * 2 + 381 mm = 634.5 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter The difference in sidewall height is less than 4 mm, about 5/32 in. That's less than the change in sidewall height caused by the tread wearing down over the life of the tire. Overall diameter of the wheel-and-tire combo decreases by less than 1.2% when you go from 195/65 to 205/60. You'd notice more of an impact on fuel consumption if you put a couple of dog food bags in the trunk the next time you went to the supermarket and forgot to take them out for a few days. Last but not least, the owner's manual for my '87 300D lists 195/65R15 as the "preferred" tire size and 205/60R15 as an "acceptable alternative." As an adherent to Dr. Booth's the-Mercedes-engineers-know-best doctrine, that's good enough for me. I have run 196/65 Bridgestone Blizzaks in winter and 205/60 Dunlop D60 M2s (NLA, sadly) on my car since I've had it, both on the stock 15x7 wheels, and have always been more than satisfied with its handling. As Rich noted, there is a lot less variety on the market in 195/65 than in 205/60, and it will only get worse since few (if any) new cars come with that size. Compromising on tires is going to impact safety more than anything else you can do to the car. Find the model you want in one size or the other, with a sufficient load rating for our heavy old beasts, and you'll be best off. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK but I really like Geralds. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: > OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: > > Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price > for December) > -or- > General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). > > Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15". Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
> Max Dillon wrote: > So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd > like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering > whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. > > I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), > speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more > about the handling part. 195/65 205/60Size 609.1 601.6 tire diameter in mm 23.98 23.69 tire diameter in inches 99% difference in diameter I can't help with the handling - except on my 123s I generally put over-wide tires on. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O/T Dysfunction Drug Tied To Chores - Courant.com
A little rowdy, a columnist from The Hartford morning newspaper.Funny stuff... I almost had to stay home this morning, I was laughing so hard. http://www.courant.com/features/hc-shea-boom-cialis-1208-20101208,0,1916547.column -- -- Pete Arnold When you get older, you don't regret the things you did in life. You regret the things you didn't do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Absolutely, it's well paid for, not FREE. In the same manner that I've have never gotten any FREE medical care, etc., as part of my military retirement "compensation." It's all damned well paid for. Wilton - Original Message - From: "E M" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out When you pay $50-100,000+ for a new Benz, I don't think there are any free items. You have paid for all the so called "included services" many many times over up front, whether you ever use them or not. Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 14:35, wrote: I received the same letter, but my copy indicated that if I had spent $100.00 within the last 18 months or continue to receive service at an authorized dealer, I would continue to get free roadside assistance. I don't see this as a major problem. I could take my car in for an alignment once a year and maintain the free roadside assistance. It does not seem to be an unreasonable requirement from MBNA. Sometimes, I think we all get spoiled with too many "free" items. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
When you pay $50-100,000+ for a new Benz, I don't think there are any free items. You have paid for all the so called "included services" many many times over up front, whether you ever use them or not. Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 14:35, wrote: > I received the same letter, but my copy indicated that if I had spent > $100.00 within the last 18 months or continue to receive service at an > authorized dealer, I would continue to get free roadside assistance. I don't > see this as a major problem. I could take my car in for an alignment once a > year and maintain the free roadside assistance. It does not seem to be an > unreasonable requirement from MBNA. Sometimes, I think we all get spoiled > with too many "free" items. > Best Wishes, > Roger Hale > Monroe, Ga. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15". Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Yeah, I got it, too; never used 'em, anyway; thank God for AAA. 'Course, I wanta know how the Hell does that "expand service?" What a bunch of double talk BS! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out I got a letter from MBNA saying that they are "expanding coverage" by dropping the service for anyone who does not get their car "regularly serviced" at a MB stealership. If your car is under warranty, you are still covered. If you don't buy your car from a stealership you will never be covered. The MB Roadside Assistance was a cool thing. Now it is not. RIP MB Roadside Assistance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
I received the same letter, but my copy indicated that if I had spent $100.00 within the last 18 months or continue to receive service at an authorized dealer, I would continue to get free roadside assistance. I don't see this as a major problem. I could take my car in for an alignment once a year and maintain the free roadside assistance. It does not seem to be an unreasonable requirement from MBNA. Sometimes, I think we all get spoiled with too many "free" items. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend 205s on a 124. >So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay >with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be >required if I can save $100 or so. > >I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer >accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. > >-Max > >-Original Message- >From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] >On Behalf Of Rich Thomas >Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? > >These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is >any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to >the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more >difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older >cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that >small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but >I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. > >--R > >On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact >> tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear >> suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which >> replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version >of >> the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service >rating), >> so I've spent some time looking for something else. >> >> >> >> Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and >> lower prices for that profile tire. >> >> >> >> Very respectfully, >> /s/ >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD 332k miles >> >> '95 E300 277k miles >> >> '73 Balboa 20 >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
Rolf wrote: > I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. It covers the > manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the mid 70s to mid80s (no 201 > or 124 stuff). If you are interested I can email you a url. I think its > about ye (100mb) big. Yes - please post the url - I want to see the factory manual on bleeding the system. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Thanks Fred. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fred Moir Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal Yup. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 12/11/2010 7:37 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > OK, so to diagnose that condition, once I've got the MC off, I presume there > is an opening to the booster through which I can test for presence of brake > fluid? > > -Max > > >> Peter, >> >> No sign of loss of brake fluid from the reservoir, and the engine oil >> level is holding steady, so I don't think I'm in that condition yet... >> > But you don't need enough brake fluid in the brake booster to cause it to > be sucked into the engine to have enough brake fluid in the booster to > ruin it. > > > Craig > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More W124 rear suspension rebuilding
Dieselvolk, This a.m. I dove into rebuilding the rear suspension on my '87 wagon. Started by pulling the spring link on the right side, and replaced the inner bushing using a piece of 3/8 acme threaded rod. Took about 2.5 hours to do that. Incidentally, the sleeve for the inner bushing is not tapered on this car like it was on my '95 E300. Replacement bushing is same part number as for the '95. The original bushing in this '87 300TD has a head at one end of the inner-most sleeve, which I had to cut off in order to get clearance to push the bushing out. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
That is very disappointing. Some of the Asian car makers are offering superior roadside assistance compared to MB, and it also goes with the car regardless of owner. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:35 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out I got a letter from MBNA saying that they are "expanding coverage" by dropping the service for anyone who does not get their car "regularly serviced" at a MB stealership. If your car is under warranty, you are still covered. If you don't buy your car from a stealership you will never be covered. The MB Roadside Assistance was a cool thing. Now it is not. RIP MB Roadside Assistance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
I got a letter from MBNA saying that they are "expanding coverage" by dropping the service for anyone who does not get their car "regularly serviced" at a MB stealership. If your car is under warranty, you are still covered. If you don't buy your car from a stealership you will never be covered. The MB Roadside Assistance was a cool thing. Now it is not. RIP MB Roadside Assistance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EPC
Where to send CD? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. On 12/10/2010 11:34 PM, Fmiser wrote: Fred Moir wrote: Philip, et al. I have the olde EPC installed on an old PC, loaded from a CD and a PIA to setup and get running. It has been superseded by the online EPC, which is kept up-to-date. YMMV. I'll send you the CD if you would like? Yes - I _would_ like it. And any tips on how to get it up an running. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Yup. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 12/11/2010 7:37 AM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, so to diagnose that condition, once I've got the MC off, I presume there is an opening to the booster through which I can test for presence of brake fluid? -Max Peter, No sign of loss of brake fluid from the reservoir, and the engine oil level is holding steady, so I don't think I'm in that condition yet... But you don't need enough brake fluid in the brake booster to cause it to be sucked into the engine to have enough brake fluid in the booster to ruin it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sightings
Off lease which is about 4 years or so, will be on the used section of the dealers lot for a bit. But 7-8 years old, they are gone. Used independent dealers will keep older cars, but still, there are very few of them for the numbers of new cars being sold and used here. Also, our emission requirements sends a lot of post '88 cars to the crusher now. Pre '88 are exempt, but most of these which are rare, are very well kept, or Mother nature has reclaimed them naturally. ;-) Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 10:36, Allan Streib wrote: > Dealer trade-ins here that are too old or worn out even for the > second-tier used dealers but worth more than scrap are often sent down > to Mexico, I've heard. > > I don't know that an 8 year old MB would get that treatment, I guess it > depends what shape it's in. > > Allan > > E M writes: > > > They sell hundreds, if not thousands of new mercedes here all the time. > > After about 6 years, they are nowhere to be seen. Where they all go, I > have > > no idea. 140s were everywhere 10 years ago. Seldom see one today. They > > weren't run into the ground, it's more as if once cars reach 8 or so > here, > > they just vanish! > > > > If you are lucky enough to find yourself the new owner of a black or gray > > E350, good luck finding yours in the sea of new E Classes at the local > > mall. Just how many of these are Mercedes now cranking out per year?!?! > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 11 December 2010 00:07, wrote: > > > >> Speaking of 140s, and I never do, I saw three of them on the move just > >> yesterday. One of them was in show condition which was probably the only > >> one > >> with working AC. > >> > >> RLE > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > 1983 300D > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:40:14 -0500 Rolf wrote: > I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. It covers > the manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the mid 70s to mid80s > (no 201 or 124 stuff). If you are interested I can email you a url. I > think its about ye (100mb) big. Please post the URL to the list. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sightings
Dealer trade-ins here that are too old or worn out even for the second-tier used dealers but worth more than scrap are often sent down to Mexico, I've heard. I don't know that an 8 year old MB would get that treatment, I guess it depends what shape it's in. Allan E M writes: > They sell hundreds, if not thousands of new mercedes here all the time. > After about 6 years, they are nowhere to be seen. Where they all go, I have > no idea. 140s were everywhere 10 years ago. Seldom see one today. They > weren't run into the ground, it's more as if once cars reach 8 or so here, > they just vanish! > > If you are lucky enough to find yourself the new owner of a black or gray > E350, good luck finding yours in the sea of new E Classes at the local > mall. Just how many of these are Mercedes now cranking out per year?!?! > > Ed > 300E > > On 11 December 2010 00:07, wrote: > >> Speaking of 140s, and I never do, I saw three of them on the move just >> yesterday. One of them was in show condition which was probably the only >> one >> with working AC. >> >> RLE >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sightings
Hee hee, maybe Mercedes is subsidizing the winter salt trucks, as part of their planned redundancy programme. ;-) Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 09:53, WILTON wrote: > They don't rust away that fast, do they? ;< > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "E M" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] sightings > > > > They sell hundreds, if not thousands of new mercedes here all the time. >> After about 6 years, they are nowhere to be seen. Where they all go, I >> have >> no idea. 140s were everywhere 10 years ago. Seldom see one today. They >> weren't run into the ground, it's more as if once cars reach 8 or so here, >> they just vanish! >> >> If you are lucky enough to find yourself the new owner of a black or gray >> E350, good luck finding yours in the sea of new E Classes at the local >> mall. Just how many of these are Mercedes now cranking out per year?!?! >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 11 December 2010 00:07, wrote: >> >> Speaking of 140s, and I never do, I saw three of them on the move just >>> yesterday. One of them was in show condition which was probably the only >>> one >>> with working AC. >>> >>> RLE >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sightings
why dont you speak of 140's? Is it because they are not cheap class? On 12/10/2010 11:07 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Speaking of 140s, and I never do, I saw three of them on the move just yesterday. One of them was in show condition which was probably the only one with working AC. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
Rich, To refresh your memory, I am offering a very choice incentive package to whoever finds me a cheap, preferably beat up 1985 300TD wagon. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2107037482.html > > > 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300D Black - $2995 > > > --R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sightings
They don't rust away that fast, do they? ;< Wilton - Original Message - From: "E M" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] sightings They sell hundreds, if not thousands of new mercedes here all the time. After about 6 years, they are nowhere to be seen. Where they all go, I have no idea. 140s were everywhere 10 years ago. Seldom see one today. They weren't run into the ground, it's more as if once cars reach 8 or so here, they just vanish! If you are lucky enough to find yourself the new owner of a black or gray E350, good luck finding yours in the sea of new E Classes at the local mall. Just how many of these are Mercedes now cranking out per year?!?! Ed 300E On 11 December 2010 00:07, wrote: Speaking of 140s, and I never do, I saw three of them on the move just yesterday. One of them was in show condition which was probably the only one with working AC. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2107037482.html 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300D Black - $2995 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. It covers the manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the mid 70s to mid80s (no 201 or 124 stuff). If you are interested I can email you a url. I think its about ye (100mb) big. -Rolf On 12/10/2010 10:23 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Is there a Mercedes manual section regarding clutch cylinder install& bleeding? I cannot find that section in my Mercedes manuals anywhere. I have the Haynes manual also, but have only pressure bled the clutch from the brake reservoir - down to the slave bleed. My son does my work told me I will be the one bleeding the clutch from the bottom, because he has had too many brake fluid baths in the past to appreciate them anymore. His logic is not bad - pressure feeding fluid in to the bleed screw is problematic and tends to encourage brake fluid bathing - the bleed nipple is not a good pressure fitting. If someone can cite the Mercedes manual section referencing bleed the clutch from the bottom up and the equipment to do that - my son will do that, but not if it is Haynes - he has too much bad experience from the "junk" in Haynes. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend 205s on a 124. So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I've been playing with the review sorting option for the General and the Potenza in 195/65R15, sorting on Mercedes owners, and find that many of the complainers have symptoms consistent with either no rotations, poor alignment, worn out suspension, or under inflation. The rest of the MB owners really like the tires, but many of those are newer cars which almost certainly means larger tires. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: > There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, > but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... I have those on an Olds Achieva. Rated at 51psi, I keep them at least 40psi. Hmm, that gives me an idea. I blew them up to 51 last month, maybe I'll regain some snow traction if I drop them back to 40. If you run them on a Mercedes weight car at 30psi it will probably feel like you're driving on flat tires. I sorted the tire rack reviews lowest first, and most of what I see people complaining about could be explained by under inflation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Not right now. THe car is 1000 miles away. I can tell you I got them at china club, so they were a discontinued model then. chinamart and china club only sell tires that are NA or NLA to the tire store market. The were the last thing I bought at china club. I just remember they are BS potenza Can you tell me the exact model/size? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I have similar BS Potenza tires on my 300D 124. They seem to grip well, but don't look like they will set records for long mileage, but I prefer grip over uber high mile tires the slip when wet and are worthless on snow and ice. I think they are a good all round choice for safety. For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Pote nza+RE960AS+Pole+Position&partnum=965HR5RE960PP&vehicleSearch=false&fromComp are1=yes&tab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Max Dillon wrote: There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... I have those on an Olds Achieva. Rated at 51psi, I keep them at least 40psi. Hmm, that gives me an idea. I blew them up to 51 last month, maybe I'll regain some snow traction if I drop them back to 40. If you run them on a Mercedes weight car at 30psi it will probably feel like you're driving on flat tires. I sorted the tire rack reviews lowest first, and most of what I see people complaining about could be explained by under inflation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. My 2.3-16v came with proper size worn out Goodyears (205/55vr15 on aftermarket rims.) Those Eagles were hard and shiny, but it cornered better than with the new Kumhos I put on it (195/65/15 on narrower 190D rims) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
NO, in 'internal leak' is simply fluid internally leaking past the seals, back into the reservoir. You will not see visual indications. If you are interested in saving the last dime; disassemble, clean with alcohol, hone with proper hone as required, check piston clearance, reassemble with new seal kit. Or, buy a quality rebuilt. -- -- Pete Arnold, Q.A. Manager Ultracast, LLC Enfield, CT 06083 (860) 253-5015 On 12/11/2010 7:37 AM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, so to diagnose that condition, once I've got the MC off, I presume there is an opening to the booster through which I can test for presence of brake fluid? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:38 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:50:15 -0500 "Max Dillon" wrote: Peter, No sign of loss of brake fluid from the reservoir, and the engine oil level is holding steady, so I don't think I'm in that condition yet... But you don't need enough brake fluid in the brake booster to cause it to be sucked into the engine to have enough brake fluid in the booster to ruin it. Craig -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal More to the point, a bad MC will fill the brake booster with brake fluid, which is a bad thing. I'm not sure I want brake fluid in the oil Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'94 E420117 kmi '82 240D/3.0264 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc '72 220D/8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact > tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear > suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which > replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of > the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), > so I've spent some time looking for something else. > > > > Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and > lower prices for that profile tire. > > > > Very respectfully, > /s/ > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD 332k miles > > '95 E300 277k miles > > '73 Balboa 20 > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
John Reames wrote: Potenzas are okay as long as you don't corner... Or drive when it's wet. Or damp. Or snow/ice. There are a LOT of tires bearing the Potenza name. Usually (but not always) the Pole Position versions are well thought of. This one has very good survey results (averaage score 8.2 on a 1-10 scale on 1443 owners surveyed) Here's another Potenza, lower load rating, $3 less, not as popular with those who own it. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+G+019+Grid&partnum=965HR5G019&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&tab=Survey BTW, yesterday was the first day I had to drive on accumulated snow this fall. My General Altimax HP on the Oldsmobile (same size, 195/65HR15) did OK, but not as well as they did two years and 10,000 miles ago. When new, they were surprisingly close to snow tires. They've slipped in the survey since I bought them, they were tied for first with the Michelin Primacy MXV4. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+HP&partnum=965HR5AMAXHP&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&tab=Survey Here's a Bridgestone touring tire, seems well liked for a tire with ridiculously high treadwear rating: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Turanza+Serenity&partnum=965HR5TS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&tab=Survey A couple of Michelin models with good survey and treadwear ratings, including a low rolling resistance tire (only T speed and 89 load rated though). $70 rebate on Michelin right now. (Wow, the MXV4 is $120 before rebate, was $90-100 not too long ago) http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=HydroEdge+with+Green+X&partnum=965TR5HE&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&tab=Survey http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXV4&partnum=965HR5MXV4P&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&tab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
