date:20161221


Mitch wrote:



I'm sitting here staring at the stack of chevron treaded
Pirellis that the UPS man brought me yesterday, and thinking
"would I get better braking if I put the non-drive wheels on the
wrong side of the car"? (this is on my FWD Saturn)


Or just mount them "wrong" side out.


The chevron tread pattern moves water to the sides to prevent
hydroplaning, and it increases drive traction on soft surfaces.
I'm guessing that reversing the tires would hamper rain
performance and increase braking performance on soft surfaces.


Hmm...  Maybe.  Is the performance improved because the tip
touches the ground first?  Or because of the direction of the
slope relative to the direction of force?  Some of each?

I don't know.

But the back tires don't contribute much during heavy braking,
though on a slippery surface, there won't be any heavy braking!

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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

I read the manual on my 450SL (D-jet) and it said that a drop to half bar at 
idle was standard (when new).  AS long as pressure returns to 3 bar when you 
drive, all is well.



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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 5:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The M117 engine is very robust, and will run a LONG time with the oil
> pressure at that level. I didn't see much drop at all with 105F days and
> A/C running in the M117 in the '78 450SLC. The oil pressure is not an
> issue, at all.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> In theory, yes, its in spec, but for how much longer?  And what happens
>> when its 105 outside and you have the AC on?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] GP Light in Dash

I seem to recall that the light remaining on (in the 603/602/606) was that 
there was a dead GP or two happening.  The E300D went to the shop to get that 
dealt with, as well as the BioD damage to seals and hoses

clay

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>A few years ago someone wrote about what the light remaining lit after an 
> engine is started means.   Marshall (RIP) perhaps.  I have looked in the 
> Archives without success.   I am speaking mostly about W124 diesels.
> 
> The reason I ask is this AM my 300D was hard to start (very unusual) and 
> after I got it started the GP Light stayed on.
>What does that tell me?  I immediately thought I should change the GP's 
> but after getting half way through I thought about the GP Timer possibly 
> being the problem.  Yes, I should have did more troubleshooting but these GPs 
> have roughly 200K on them and I have new ones on the shelf. ;-^
>Thanks Ya'll,
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 91 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

I vote to keep it.  Never know when it may come in handy.  I expect he will 
return with great founts of Diesel Wisdom.

clay

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> While sorting out a subscription issue for Randy yesterday, I happened to 
> notice that Herr Booth's email addy is still subscribed to the list.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

Fuse change is a panacea that is invoked at any mention of electrically 
possible issues.  Also to be accomplished prior to discussion of your recent 
acquisition of fresh Benz and any issues it has.  This way you can head off the 
ritualistic incantation of “CHANGE YOUR FUSES” by averring that you have indeed 
done this task, and this is why you are brining the issue before the esteemed 
group for discussion and a plethora of WAG solutions.  Be sure the fuses are 
the brass, not aluminum sort, as we are racist against aluminum.  I do not know 
why, just are.

clay


> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That is a pretty long history!  Not really that surprising as the "older"
> generations seem to not be part of the throw away generation we are seeing
> today.  I was introduced to this group and encouraged to get involved by
> Dan and Manfred and in my quest for a seasoned Mercedes W123 wagon, this
> group will certainly be of benefit to me!  I appreciate knowing some of the
> history behind this effort and I will certainly use the knowledge available
> for good and not evil!
> 
> Change your fuses seems to be pretty solid advice.  Is this a frequent
> problem/occurrence or a once a year type of event?
> 
> Thanks!  Kyle
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> ‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here, in
>> case you weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in the
>> facts.
>> 
>> This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with servers
>> based in Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen nineties
>> (1997?). In about 2006, the server crashed and was never properly brought
>> back online. When the system went down, Kaleb got a list of the membership
>> and proceeded to contact everyone and started a new email list, with all of
>> the old members. Many folks here, have been here since the beginning.
>> 
>> About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most august,
>> well educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere in the
>> physical, or cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several commercial
>> and military pilots (ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple JD's. ‎Some of us
>> have no letters after our name, but have been educated by life, and the
>> passage of time.
>> 
>> We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members endure
>> the off topic excursions without too much complaint. If we stuck to MB
>> topics only, the list traffic would be sparse, and would eventually fade
>> away. Any question or topic imaginable can be asked here, and answers will
>> magically appear in your inbox. Want to know how to fix your dishwasher?
>> Ask away. What is the best apple for pies? Yep, someone here knows. The
>> subject of politics ‎is endured, but can get out of hand. Fortunately, most
>> of us do an adequate job of self policing. Personal attacks, and cursing
>> will not be tolerated, and will get you moderated or banned. (Somebody else
>> can explain the origins of the email group "Banned".) A couple of folks use
>> pseudonyms instead of their given names, I suppose as an attempt to lessen
>> their Internet footprint. To each his own.
>> 
>> We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A.
>> Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and Mercedes
>> Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one of them. I, for one, feel
>> blessed to have known him digitally. He would USE CAPS for emphasis, and
>> any electrical malady would usually bring the response from him to CHANGE
>> YOUR FUSES. It is an iconic phrase around here...
>> 
>> A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to accept
>> modern amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C" in "cheap".
>> We understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar, and wish to
>> extract the most value we can from each one of those hard earned dollars.
>> Hence the love of Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that is the reason we are
>> here.
>> 
>> Welcome to the club.
>> 
>> ‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em
>> 
>> ‎Rick
>> ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
>> http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/
>> Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-
>> was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171
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Re: [MBZ] Installing directional snow tires "backwards"

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'm sitting here staring at the stack of chevron treaded Pirellis that
> the UPS man brought me yesterday, and thinking "would I get better
> braking if I put the non-drive wheels on the wrong side of the car"?
> (this is on my FWD Saturn)
> 
> The chevron tread pattern moves water to the sides to prevent
> hydroplaning, and it increases drive traction on soft surfaces. 
> I'm guessing that reversing the tires would hamper rain performance and
> increase braking performance on soft surfaces. Usually hydroplaning is
> not much of a worry with snow tires and rear wheels, snow tires have a
> lot of space between the tread blocks and rear wheels run on pavement
> that the front wheels have dried.
> 
> The online reviews for these say that they accelerate better than they
> stop.
> http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/93102/pirelli-cinturato-winter-review
> 
> http://www.tirerack.com/survey/SurveyComments.jsp?&category=tire&additionalComments=y&commentStatus=P&tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Winter+Cinturato


Interesting thoughts, but with the chevrons reversed, they would pull
water into the center of the tread instead of expelling it from under
the tire, thus exacerbating hydroplaning.

In addition, most of the braking effort is done by the front tires
because of the weight transfer from the back to the front under
deceleration. A front-wheel-drive car tends to have most of the weight
in the front, anyway.

Of course, you could try it and see ...  All it would take is rotating
the back tires side-to-side.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GP Light in Dash

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:07:39 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> With the OM617/616, it meant that the glow plugs didn't draw the same
> current, probably because one of them was burnt out. In my 617, it
> could also mean my battery was weak. 
> I think it's the same in your car. 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> > On December 21, 2016 at 8:22 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >  A few years ago someone wrote about what the light remaining lit 
> > after an engine is started means.

In other words, check all your glow plugs ...


Craig

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[MBZ] Hey, Jaime!

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 11:45:20 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I put Amsoil in.  I figure I'll be the last person to do it for a very
> long time after I sell a car, so its worth the money.
> 
> Plus their severe duty stuff quieted a noisy diff in a W123 I had.

I went on Amsoil's page and found several severe duty differential lubes.

Which one did you use?

Our Chevy van suddenly developed a noisy differential a few years ago and
I would like to try quieting it.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

Dickarde got started when he took over the Mercedes Veterans list from 
Alex Gabard, and started Banned about the same time for those who had 
been thrown off the RE list for no reason.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 21, 2016 at 8:58 AM
A few clarification. I ran the mbz.org lists for Dickarde when they 
crashed for good in 2005 and moved the list here. The okie website was 
thrown together by me then and has not been updated since. One of 
these days maybe I will tackle that.


Speaking of Marshall, he was also involved in the movie business for a 
short while and was the sound guy or something for a little movie you 
may have heard of that started it all called Night of the Living Dead.


http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/fullcredits/sound_department?ref_=m_ttfc_10

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change


Who is trumo?

"scientists" who fake data or who can't discern data that has been 
altered or faked are not scientists.  "Scientists" who believe computer 
models that have been proven inaccurate are not scientists, especially 
when the real data argues against their premise.  "Scientists" who start 
with a premise and then set out to "prove" themselves "right" are not 
scientists.


The Univ of East Anglia data has been proven to be faked.  It has also 
been shown that NOAA has faked "data;" probably to protect themselves 
from political hacks.  Those are the only data stores I have seen 
referenced.


GIGO




Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 21, 2016 at 9:00 PM
Trumo wants to fire scientists who believe in climate change.


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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

I think I found the Mercedes Veterans list about 1996. It was mostly
about 115, 123, 108 with a few of us also owning 110, 111 and 112 cars.
Alex has a 111 230S imported from Calif to .ch. MBCA ran a good ist at
that time, but it was mostly 124, 126 and newer, so none of the info was
relevant to me at the time. Sokolof was on the Veterans list with his
Pontons.

Luddite and curmudgeon.
1966 200D
1980 240D 3 pedal
1981 240D 2 pedal
1986 300SDL
1987 300D
1990 420SEL yet to be picked up
Son: 1966 200D 2.4
Daughter: 380SL

Dearly departed:
3 SDLs
a slew of 110s
230TE (85)
300D (85 cal)
300TD 123.193
300TD 124
300TE
E320
Maybe some others I forgot to list.

Kyle Arola via Mercedes
December 21, 2016 at 9:09 AM
That is a pretty long history! Not really that surprising as the "older"
generations seem to not be part of the throw away generation we are seeing
today. I was introduced to this group and encouraged to get involved by
Dan and Manfred and in my quest for a seasoned Mercedes W123 wagon, this
group will certainly be of benefit to me! I appreciate knowing some of the
history behind this effort and I will certainly use the knowledge
available

for good and not evil!

Change your fuses seems to be pretty solid advice. Is this a frequent
problem/occurrence or a once a year type of event?

Thanks! Kyle

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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Rick Knoble via Mercedes
December 21, 2016 at 8:15 AM
‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here, in
case you weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in
the facts.

This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with servers
based in Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen
nineties (1997?). In about 2006, the server crashed and was never
properly brought back online. When the system went down, Kaleb got a
list of the membership and proceeded to contact everyone and started a
new email list, with all of the old members. Many folks here, have
been here since the beginning.

About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most
august, well educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere
in the physical, or cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several
commercial and military pilots (ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple
JD's. ‎Some of us have no letters after our name, but have been
educated by life, and the passage of time.

We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members
endure the off topic excursions without too much complaint. If we
stuck to MB topics only, the list traffic would be sparse, and would
eventually fade away. Any question or topic imaginable can be asked
here, and answers will magically appear in your inbox. Want to know
how to fix your dishwasher? Ask away. What is the best apple for pies?
Yep, someone here knows. The subject of politics ‎is endured, but can
get out of hand. Fortunately, most of us do an adequate job of self
policing. Personal attacks, and cursing will not be tolerated, and
will get you moderated or banned. (Somebody else can explain the
origins of the email group "Banned".) A couple of folks use pseudonyms
instead of their given names, I suppose as an attempt to lessen their
Internet footprint. To each his own.

We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A.
Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and
Mercedes Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one of them. I,
for one, feel blessed to have known him digitally. He would USE CAPS
for emphasis, and any electrical malady would usually bring the
response from him to CHANGE YOUR FUSES. It is an iconic phrase around
here...

A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to
accept modern amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C"
in "cheap". We understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar,
and wish to extract the most value we can from each one of those hard
earned dollars. Hence the love of Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that
is the reason we are here.

Welcome to the club.

‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em

‎Rick
‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

another wide variance between my experience and Herr Doktor's.  I almost 
never have a fuse problem, including places from N WI,  to the gulf 
coast, and Hawaii.  If a fuse blows, I fix the problem and change the 
fuse.  if there are electric gremlins, i turn the fuses or take them out 
and check them and put them back in.  If they are bad, the pieces fall 
out when you take them out or you can visibly see they are blown.



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
December 21, 2016 at 9:23 AM

They are a bullet shaped fuse, with a copper or lead element that is 
also the contact surface. They tend to corrode and can cause 
infuriating intermittent electrical problems. How often to change...? 
I dunno. I change them out when I get a car. Maybe every 4-5 years? If 
you live near salt air maybe more often


Rick


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[MBZ] Question du jour


Q:  HOW do you measure "progress" of something that does not exist?

A;   "progress is measured by how much taxpayer money is spent.

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

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Re: [MBZ] GP Light in Dash

Mitch is right.  Light on means imbalance between #1 GP and at least one 
other plug.  Pull the 6 plug connector off at the relay and measure ohms 
from each pin to ground.  1.4 is what you are looking for.  0 is burned 
out.  1.7 will work.  2.0 or higher: replacel


No light means #1 is bad.

Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 21, 2016 at 7:22 PM
A few years ago someone wrote about what the light remaining lit 
after an engine is started means.   Marshall (RIP) perhaps.  I have 
looked in the Archives without success.   I am speaking mostly about 
W124 diesels.


 The reason I ask is this AM my 300D was hard to start (very 
unusual) and after I got it started the GP Light stayed on.
What does that tell me?  I immediately thought I should change the 
GP's but after getting half way through I thought about the GP Timer 
possibly being the problem.  Yes, I should have did more 
troubleshooting but these GPs have roughly 200K on them and I have new 
ones on the shelf. ;-^

Thanks Ya'll,

Thanks!

LarryT

91 300D


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Re: [MBZ] Old computer - was: AC Compressor Reseal

2016-12-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

The two computers I had (have, actually) that used cassette interfaces were
always fairly reliable, though naturally slow.  (Home computing had a long
history of cassette interfaces prior to the machines we've been
discussing.)  I used a Pioneer piano-key cassette recorder that was notably
better in audio quality than the usual.  A KD-12?  It was also the 'sound
system' in my college dorm room.

One of those computers later got a computer-controlled cassette tape drive
that was considerably faster.  I no longer remember the data rate of the
interface, but I had it hooked to Forth, to load 'screens'.  It would seek,
forwards and backwards.  I designed the tape format so that it could scan
screen headers as it rewound, so that it wasn't guessing when it would turn
around and go forwards to do the read.  There was only one speed, fast, not
separate speeds for FF/RW and reading.  It was kind of cool, in a totally
obsolescent way.  That same computer got floppies, a serial RS-232
interface for a dial-up modem, 'gobs' of RAM, a 24x80 video, 6-channel
sound (beeps), and an EPROM programmer!

I had _so_ much fun with that thing.  The projects I accomplished on it
were pretty much directly responsible for my getting my first real job.  A
dream job, I might add.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] GP Light in Dash

2016-12-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Formally, the GP relay is notifying you that it did not like one or more of
the GP's.  In actuality, the GP relay itself could be bad.  It's a fairly
easy proof, though: test the GP's.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

They were the ones on the Westfallia. All the older VWs had them.

Manfred

Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 10:25:54 -0500
From: Kyle Arola 

I have had those types on something I used to own, but cant remember what.
They blew often enough that i didn't have to worry about corrosion...
hahaha!

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

I think once a year if you use the cheap aluminum fuses. If you 
use the copper or brass fuses then they usually don't give much 
of a problem for 3 or more years. I haven't had any problems with 
any brass or copper fuses after I put them in in place of the 
aluminum.


Manfred



Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 10:09:04 -0500
From: Kyle Arola 



Change your fuses seems to be pretty solid advice.  Is this a frequent
problem/occurrence or a once a year type of event?

Thanks!  Kyle



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Re: [MBZ] w123 tailgate aquarium

Did he rule out the taillight lens seals?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:13 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I can see it being the window seal or the wiper nozzle seal possibly the
> tailgate seal itself at the top. The wiper shaft goes through the glass and
> could cause it but you would notice the carpet on the door is wet so if
> that's it it is easy to diagnose but in that case I would think you would
> have more water in the third seat footwell then the tailgate itself. I
> think the top of the carpet there is pretty tight against the tailgate
> itself or at least it is on mine that there shouldn't be significant water
> getting under it.
>
> Manfred
>
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:36:38 -0800
>> From: Karl Wittnebel 
>>
>>
>> I sent this a few days ago, but it never went out.
>>
>> The tailgate on my 85 Wagon is filling with water when it rains. A new
>> behavior. Is it usually the window seal, the wiper nozzle seal, the wiper
>> stalk seal, or the main door gasket? Some water in the footwell of the 3rd
>> seat also.
>>
>> I guess the first step is reinstall the glass. The door gasket looks good,
>> but perhaps I could tighten the latch position a bit.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] w123 tailgate aquarium

I can see it being the window seal or the wiper nozzle seal 
possibly the tailgate seal itself at the top. The wiper shaft 
goes through the glass and could cause it but you would notice 
the carpet on the door is wet so if that's it it is easy to 
diagnose but in that case I would think you would have more water 
in the third seat footwell then the tailgate itself. I think the 
top of the carpet there is pretty tight against the tailgate 
itself or at least it is on mine that there shouldn't be 
significant water getting under it.


Manfred



Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:36:38 -0800
From: Karl Wittnebel 


I sent this a few days ago, but it never went out.

The tailgate on my 85 Wagon is filling with water when it rains. A new
behavior. Is it usually the window seal, the wiper nozzle seal, the wiper
stalk seal, or the main door gasket? Some water in the footwell of the 3rd
seat also.

I guess the first step is reinstall the glass. The door gasket looks good,
but perhaps I could tighten the latch position a bit.

Thanks.



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Re: [MBZ] M104 block heater

Well if he only puts it on the outside surface of the pipe away 
from the front edge. I kind of have a vision of goop smear 
indiscriminately all over the pipe right over the front cut edge 
and then jammed into the hose with the stuff getting shoved ahead 
of the pipe by the edge of the metal. That stuff will come loose. 
If he can keep it in control and stay way from the front edge it 
should work.


Manfred



Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:33:17 -0800
From: clay 


I gave that some thought, but expected that most of it would be smeared around 
by the patch hose and seal the patch long enough for the replacement hose to 
arrive before the weekend



On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:39 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

I don't know if I would have told him to RTV the ends of the pipe. I can see 
too much RTV put on there and then breaking off and getting into the radiator 
with disastrous results to same.

Manfred


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Re: [MBZ] Kars For Kyle

The '84 looks nice but has obviously been sadly neglected.  Left the hood
open long enough to crack the washer fluid reservoir?  Not safe to drive
with current wiper blades?  C'mon, man!

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> Not as perfect as I would like, but could be very good starting points for
> a long term DD.
>
> clay
>
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Re: [MBZ] GP Light in Dash

Not the glow plug relay?

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> With the OM617/616, it meant that the glow plugs didn't draw the same
> current,
> probably because one of them was burnt out. In my 617, it could also mean
> my
> battery was weak.
> I think it's the same in your car.
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On December 21, 2016 at 8:22 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >  A few years ago someone wrote about what the light remaining lit
> > after an engine is started means.
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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

Trumo wants to fire scientists who believe in climate change.

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> House Committee: Obama Fired Top Scientist Over Climate Change:
> http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/house-committee-
> scientist-energy/2016/12/20
> /id/764934/
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:54 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change
> >
> > There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and has
> nothing
> > to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a little..
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the
> evidence is
> > not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further
> a political
> > agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect our
> planet
> > either way.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> > >>
> > >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> > >>
> > >> Benjamin Storrow , E&E
> > >> News reporter
> > >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> > >>
> > >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> > >> believes in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> > >>
> > >> Baker released a proposal
> > >>  > comme
> > >> nts.html> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent
> > >> of 1990 levels in four years. The plan calls on power plants to
> > >> curtail emissions, on the state government to upgrade its vehicle
> > >> fleet and on pipeline operators to patch leaky distribution lines.
> > >>
> > >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> > >>
> > >> [image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> > >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to
> > >> slash carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80
> > >> percent by 2050 ( Climatewire
> > >> , May 19).
> > >>
> > >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> > >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate
> > >> change as a positive development. But the plan will almost certainly
> > >> fail to meet the state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say,
> > >> noting that it does little to meaningfully tackle the transportation
> > >> sector, now the largest emitter of greenhouse gases.
> > >>
> > >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter
> > >> Shattuck, director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia
> > >> Center, an environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly
> > >> needs to be a lot more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the
> > >> interim reduction to get there."
> > >>
> > >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They
> > >> would be required to come up with the majority of emission cuts
> > >> (about 4 percent) under Baker's proposal.
> > >>
> > >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> > >> years, said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> > Association.
> > >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> > >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the
> > >> power sector.
> > >>
> > >> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be
> > >> shifted to the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked,"
> > Dolan said.
> > >> Deeper cuts at power plants
> > >>
> > >> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its
> > >> legal targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7
> > >> percent of
> > >> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> > >> Environmental Protection.
> > >>
> > >> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> > >> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> > >> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> > >> [image: Charlie Baker]
> > >>
> > >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> > >>
> > >> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on
> > >> imposing an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants
> > >> starting in

[MBZ] Kars For Kyle

Not as perfect as I would like, but could be very good starting points for a 
long term DD.

clay

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/5860013232.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5895164881.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5924964266.html




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Re: [MBZ] GP Light in Dash

2016-12-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

With the OM617/616, it meant that the glow plugs didn't draw the same current,
probably because one of them was burnt out. In my 617, it could also mean my
battery was weak. 
I think it's the same in your car. 

Mitch.

> On December 21, 2016 at 8:22 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  A few years ago someone wrote about what the light remaining lit 
> after an engine is started means.

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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

2016-12-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Yes, what MMM said - pegging the gauge is the more important test than the
idle pressure in an MB engine.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> As for the oil pressure...I'd be more worried if it doesn't pin when
> revved.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

2016-12-21 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

What, you don't like headrests?

As for the oil pressure...I'd be more worried if it doesn't pin when
revved.

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> Oh those seats... and that oil pressure... no thank you!
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>
> > Due to lack of a sunroof this may sell at a reasonable price.
> >
> > Wilton?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

2016-12-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The M117 engine is very robust, and will run a LONG time with the oil
pressure at that level. I didn't see much drop at all with 105F days and
A/C running in the M117 in the '78 450SLC. The oil pressure is not an
issue, at all.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In theory, yes, its in spec, but for how much longer?  And what happens
> when its 105 outside and you have the AC on?
>
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Climate change skepticism deconstructed - weather vs. climate

2016-12-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Well said, tin man

Hard Proven Facts make science.. claims make fantasy and mystery stories.

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> Andrew wrote:
> > SCIENCESkepticism fueled by 'gut' reaction to local weather
>
> Thanks for the article.
> However, your argument for the issues of climate change are as inane
> as the curley arguments - get over it.  Establish ways that you want
> to combat it yerself rather than demand the political hacks do it to
> us.  Do it yerself at cost that does not affect me.  Yer rights to
> effect climate change end at my nose - quit it.  Furthermore, the
> other scientist here (Craig) has displayed information that can be
> addressed since it constitutes legitimate data that can provide fodder
> for dialog.  Let's watch as scientist Andrew and scientist Craig (did
> I leave out any other okiebenz scientists?) provide information.  This
> could be informative and interesting.  Are you up for it Craig?  Are
> you up for it Andrew?  In the mean time, climate change is something
> that can be accomplished toilet paper square at a time by each of us.
> i.e. drive less, use less, etc - all things that show that the fat
> american way (consume with abandon) is not the only way to survive
> inside climate change, and while all these little things might not do
> anything much, if we do it, perhaps the political hacks will not
> establish new confiscations.
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

2016-12-21 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

In theory, yes, its in spec, but for how much longer?  And what happens
when its 105 outside and you have the AC on?



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> The oil pressure is probably not a problem, looks like it's in spec to me.
> I hate it when people redo the seats with crappy aftermarket generic
> upholstery. I would rather have worn out original.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh those seats... and that oil pressure... no thank you!
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Due to lack of a sunroof this may sell at a reasonable price.
> >>
> >> Wilton?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

The oil pressure is probably not a problem, looks like it's in spec to me. I 
hate it when people redo the seats with crappy aftermarket generic upholstery. 
I would rather have worn out original.

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> Oh those seats... and that oil pressure... no thank you!
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>> Due to lack of a sunroof this may sell at a reasonable price.
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>> Wilton?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

2016-12-21 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

Oh those seats... and that oil pressure... no thank you!

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Re: [MBZ] Old computer - was: AC Compressor Reseal

2016-12-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The tape drive on our VIC20 always worked great, if slow.

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> Sounds like a bad cable to me...
> I'll haul it out next week and give it a shot.
> Curt
>
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>   On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:31 AM, fmiser via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   > > > Curt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ... my first computer, the TI99/4A. ...I casually mentioned
> > > > that my first computer had 16KB of RAM and we saved programs
> > > > to audio tape. ... The younger folks didn't believe you could
> > > > save programs to audio tape so we had a learning moment...
>
> > > fmiser wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure!  You could _save_ the program to audio tape - but how
> > > often were you able to _load_ from audio tape?  In that
> > > respect, the TI was pretty weak.  We had better luck with
> > > reel-to-reel at higher tape speeds than with cassette, but it
> > > was still not very dependable.
>
> > Curt wrote:
>
> > Uhh, always? Never had a failure, still works 35 years later...
> > Curt
>
> Really!  Wow...  I'm remembering we tried at least 3 different
> cassette machines and I think two different reel to reel and we
> had less than 50% success loading a program.  Maybe closer to
> 25%.  One brother gave up on it and would write a program from
> memory, use/play until the computer locked up, then type it in
> again because he found that less frustrating than the tapes.
>
> Maybe ours had a problem...
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[MBZ] GP Light in Dash

2016-12-21 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes

A few years ago someone wrote about what the light remaining lit 
after an engine is started means.   Marshall (RIP) perhaps.  I have 
looked in the Archives without success.   I am speaking mostly about 
W124 diesels.


 The reason I ask is this AM my 300D was hard to start (very 
unusual) and after I got it started the GP Light stayed on.
What does that tell me?  I immediately thought I should change the 
GP's but after getting half way through I thought about the GP Timer 
possibly being the problem.  Yes, I should have did more troubleshooting 
but these GPs have roughly 200K on them and I have new ones on the 
shelf. ;-^

Thanks Ya'll,

Thanks!

LarryT

91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

2016-12-21 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

House Committee: Obama Fired Top Scientist Over Climate Change:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/house-committee-scientist-energy/2016/12/20
/id/764934/



> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:54 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change
> 
> There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and has
nothing
> to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a little..
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the
evidence is
> not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further
a political
> agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect our
planet
> either way.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> >>
> >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> >>
> >> Benjamin Storrow , E&E
> >> News reporter
> >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> >>
> >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> >> believes in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> >>
> >> Baker released a proposal
> >>  comme
> >> nts.html> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent
> >> of 1990 levels in four years. The plan calls on power plants to
> >> curtail emissions, on the state government to upgrade its vehicle
> >> fleet and on pipeline operators to patch leaky distribution lines.
> >>
> >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> >>
> >> [image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> >> 
> >>
> >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to
> >> slash carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80
> >> percent by 2050 ( Climatewire
> >> , May 19).
> >>
> >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate
> >> change as a positive development. But the plan will almost certainly
> >> fail to meet the state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say,
> >> noting that it does little to meaningfully tackle the transportation
> >> sector, now the largest emitter of greenhouse gases.
> >>
> >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter
> >> Shattuck, director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia
> >> Center, an environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly
> >> needs to be a lot more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the
> >> interim reduction to get there."
> >>
> >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They
> >> would be required to come up with the majority of emission cuts
> >> (about 4 percent) under Baker's proposal.
> >>
> >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> >> years, said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> Association.
> >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the
> >> power sector.
> >>
> >> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be
> >> shifted to the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked,"
> Dolan said.
> >> Deeper cuts at power plants
> >>
> >> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its
> >> legal targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7
> >> percent of
> >> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> >> Environmental Protection.
> >>
> >> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> >> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> >> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> >> [image: Charlie Baker]
> >>
> >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on
> >> imposing an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants
> >> starting in 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8
> >> million tons in 2050.
> >>
> >> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it
> >> calls on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and
> >> institute a clean energy standard, allowing generators to receive
> >> credits for procuring low-emitting sources of electricity, like
> >>

Re: [MBZ] Climate change skepticism deconstructed - weather vs. climate

2016-12-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Andrew wrote:
> SCIENCESkepticism fueled by 'gut' reaction to local weather

Thanks for the article.
However, your argument for the issues of climate change are as inane
as the curley arguments - get over it.  Establish ways that you want
to combat it yerself rather than demand the political hacks do it to
us.  Do it yerself at cost that does not affect me.  Yer rights to
effect climate change end at my nose - quit it.  Furthermore, the
other scientist here (Craig) has displayed information that can be
addressed since it constitutes legitimate data that can provide fodder
for dialog.  Let's watch as scientist Andrew and scientist Craig (did
I leave out any other okiebenz scientists?) provide information.  This
could be informative and interesting.  Are you up for it Craig?  Are
you up for it Andrew?  In the mean time, climate change is something
that can be accomplished toilet paper square at a time by each of us.
i.e. drive less, use less, etc - all things that show that the fat
american way (consume with abandon) is not the only way to survive
inside climate change, and while all these little things might not do
anything much, if we do it, perhaps the political hacks will not
establish new confiscations.
tin-man

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?


Ed wrote:



While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.


How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
know I will need to someday...

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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:54:14 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and
> has nothing to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a
> little..

Yes, the climate changes all the time; no one I know of denies that it
changes. If it didn't, Kansas would still be under 2 miles of ice.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member - Marshall

Awesome!  Thanks!

Kyle

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>>
>
> ‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group
>> here, in case you weren't informed.
>>
>
> We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was
>> A. Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields,
>> and Mercedes Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one
>> of them.
>>
>
>  ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
>> http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/Obitu
>> ary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-was-
>> instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171
>>
>
> And if you wish to read some of his posts, I gathered all of his
> posts in my email archive (not without gaps...) and created an
> HTML export, saved as a .zip, and available at:
> http://host-a.net/u/fmiser/marshall-mail.zip
>
> It is not the full post tree - just Marshall's posts.  But most of
> the time there is enough context from nearby posts and from
> quoting to have it make sense.
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member - Marshall


Rick wrote:



‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group
here, in case you weren't informed.



We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was
A. Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields,
and Mercedes Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one
of them.



 ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171


And if you wish to read some of his posts, I gathered all of his
posts in my email archive (not without gaps...) and created an
HTML export, saved as a .zip, and available at:
http://host-a.net/u/fmiser/marshall-mail.zip

It is not the full post tree - just Marshall's posts.  But most of
the time there is enough context from nearby posts and from
quoting to have it make sense.

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Re: [MBZ] Old computer - was: AC Compressor Reseal

2016-12-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Sounds like a bad cable to me...
I'll haul it out next week and give it a shot.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:31 AM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:   > > > Curt wrote:
> > >
> > > ... my first computer, the TI99/4A. ...I casually mentioned
> > > that my first computer had 16KB of RAM and we saved programs
> > > to audio tape. ... The younger folks didn't believe you could
> > > save programs to audio tape so we had a learning moment...

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > Sure!  You could _save_ the program to audio tape - but how
> > often were you able to _load_ from audio tape?  In that
> > respect, the TI was pretty weak.  We had better luck with
> > reel-to-reel at higher tape speeds than with cassette, but it
> > was still not very dependable.

> Curt wrote:

> Uhh, always? Never had a failure, still works 35 years later...
> Curt

Really!  Wow...  I'm remembering we tried at least 3 different
cassette machines and I think two different reel to reel and we
had less than 50% success loading a program.  Maybe closer to
25%.  One brother gave up on it and would write a program from
memory, use/play until the computer locked up, then type it in
again because he found that less frustrating than the tapes.

Maybe ours had a problem...

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[MBZ] Installing directional snow tires "backwards"

2016-12-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

I'm sitting here staring at the stack of chevron treaded Pirellis that the UPS
man brought me yesterday, and thinking "would I get better braking if I put the
non-drive wheels on the wrong side of the car"? (this is on my FWD Saturn)

The chevron tread pattern moves water to the sides to prevent hydroplaning, and
it increases drive traction on soft surfaces. 
I'm guessing that reversing the tires would hamper rain performance and increase
braking performance on soft surfaces. Usually hydroplaning is not much of a
worry with snow tires and rear wheels, snow tires have a lot of space between
the tread blocks and rear wheels run on pavement that the front wheels have
dried.

The online reviews for these say that they accelerate better than they stop.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/93102/pirelli-cinturato-winter-review

http://www.tirerack.com/survey/SurveyComments.jsp?&category=tire&additionalComments=y&commentStatus=P&tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Winter+Cinturato

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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and has 
nothing to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a little..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the evidence 
> is not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further 
> a political agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect 
> our planet either way. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
>> 
>> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
>> 
>> Benjamin Storrow , E&E News
>> reporter
>> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
>> 
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
>> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
>> 
>> Baker released a proposal
>> 
>> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
>> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
>> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
>> patch leaky distribution lines.
>> 
>> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
>> 
>> [image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]
>> 
>> 
>> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
>> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
>> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
>> Climatewire , May
>> 19).
>> 
>> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
>> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
>> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
>> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
>> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
>> emitter of greenhouse gases.
>> 
>> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
>> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
>> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
>> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
>> there."
>> 
>> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
>> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
>> under Baker's proposal.
>> 
>> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
>> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
>> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
>> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
>> sector.
>> 
>> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
>> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
>> Deeper cuts at power plants
>> 
>> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
>> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
>> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
>> Environmental Protection.
>> 
>> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
>> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
>> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
>> [image: Charlie Baker]
>> 
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
>> 
>> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
>> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
>> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
>> 2050.
>> 
>> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
>> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
>> energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
>> low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
>> effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
>> requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
>> like wind and solar.
>> 
>> "I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
>> particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
>> said in an interview.
>> 
>> Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
>> still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
>> 1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
>> an attorney

Re: [MBZ] Wagons For Kyle

Thanks Rick!
I have seen most of those and did not consider them as viable candidates as
they all need too much work to turn into nice, reliable, daily drivers that
are not rust buckets.  I am looking for a "pretty nice" to "dang look at
that car!" type of W123 wagon.
Kyle

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/5925295363.html
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5898725809.html
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5888491675.html
>
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/5906726883.html
>
> Wagon for Andrew
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/5921871247.html
>
> The most promising, in my opinion.
> https://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/5917512060.html
>
> Rick
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[MBZ] Wagons For Kyle

2016-12-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/5925295363.html

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5898725809.html

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5888491675.html

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/5906726883.html

Wagon for Andrew
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/5921871247.html

The most promising, in my opinion.
https://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/5917512060.html

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Old computer - was: AC Compressor Reseal

> > Curt wrote:
> >
> > ... my first computer, the TI99/4A. ...I casually mentioned
> > that my first computer had 16KB of RAM and we saved programs
> > to audio tape. ... The younger folks didn't believe you could
> > save programs to audio tape so we had a learning moment...

> fmiser wrote:
>
> Sure!  You could _save_ the program to audio tape - but how
> often were you able to _load_ from audio tape?  In that
> respect, the TI was pretty weak.  We had better luck with
> reel-to-reel at higher tape speeds than with cassette, but it
> was still not very dependable.

Curt wrote:

Uhh, always? Never had a failure, still works 35 years later...
Curt

Really!  Wow...  I'm remembering we tried at least 3 different
cassette machines and I think two different reel to reel and we
had less than 50% success loading a program.  Maybe closer to
25%.  One brother gave up on it and would write a program from
memory, use/play until the computer locked up, then type it in
again because he found that less frustrating than the tapes.

Maybe ours had a problem...

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

2016-12-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 21/12/2016 9:09 AM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:

That is a pretty long history!  Not really that surprising as the "older"
generations seem to not be part of the throw away generation we are seeing
today.


Hey, who you calling old??

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

Just looking at the gray in my mirror!  hahaha!

Kyle

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 21/12/2016 9:09 AM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> That is a pretty long history!  Not really that surprising as the "older"
>> generations seem to not be part of the throw away generation we are seeing
>> today.
>>
>
> Hey, who you calling old??
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

2016-12-21 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes

I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the evidence 
is not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further a 
political agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect our 
planet either way. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> 
> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> 
> Benjamin Storrow , E&E News
> reporter
> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> 
> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> 
> Baker released a proposal
> 
> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
> patch leaky distribution lines.
> 
> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> 
> [image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> 
> 
> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
> Climatewire , May
> 19).
> 
> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
> emitter of greenhouse gases.
> 
> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
> there."
> 
> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
> under Baker's proposal.
> 
> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
> sector.
> 
> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
> Deeper cuts at power plants
> 
> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> Environmental Protection.
> 
> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> [image: Charlie Baker]
> 
> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> 
> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
> 2050.
> 
> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
> energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
> low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
> effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
> requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
> like wind and solar.
> 
> "I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
> particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
> said in an interview.
> 
> Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
> still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
> 1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
> an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.
> 
> And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations do
> virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
> emissions," he said.
> 
> Baker may yet prove a test case for how far Republicans are willing to go
> in addressing climate change.
> ___

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

The list of RICH climate change deniers is WAY longer than the opposite
side.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:39 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> As soon as hell freezes solid and the Ex calls me for a date to go ice
> skating..
>
> Your buy in to "climate change" is founded on faulty science, not backed by
> solid historical research that has been properly interpreted. The
> statistics going back 200 years, when properly applied, show a decade
> increase of 0.01 degree centigrade.
>
> Instead of buying into the spew, try following the money trail left by
> those who are promoting "climate change" and have a hard look at what
> drives them.. Al Gore, for example, has become quite rich while selling his
> version.. and he is only one of many.
>
> Shame.. you are a scientist.. use the facts.
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So you would support a D gov for S Carolina?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing
> "Rs"
> > > for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal
> > > check on the plundering of the treasury.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> > >>
> > >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> > >>
> > >> Benjamin Storrow , E&E
> > News
> > >> reporter
> > >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> > >>
> > >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> > >> believes
> > >> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> > >>
> > >> Baker released a proposal
> > >>  > >> n3d-comments.html>
> > >>   last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990
> > levels
> > >> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on
> > the
> > >> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline
> operators
> > to
> > >> patch leaky distribution lines.
> > >>
> > >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> > >>
> > >> [image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> > >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
> > >> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by
> > 2050
> > >> (
> > >> Climatewire ,
> > May
> > >>
> > >> 19).
> > >>
> > >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> > >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change
> > as
> > >> a
> > >> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet
> > the
> > >> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
> > >> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the
> largest
> > >> emitter of greenhouse gases.
> > >>
> > >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter
> Shattuck,
> > >> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
> > >> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a
> lot
> > >> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to
> get
> > >> there."
> > >>
> > >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They
> would
> > be
> > >> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4
> percent)
> > >> under Baker's proposal.
> > >>
> > >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> > years,
> > >> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> > Association.
> > >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> > >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
> > >> sector.
> > >>
> > >> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted
> > to
> > >> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan
> said.
> > >> Deeper cuts at power plants
> > >>
> > >> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its
> > legal
> > >> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent
> of
> > >> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> > >> Environmental Protection.
> > >>
> > >> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> > >> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> > >> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> > >> [image: Charlie Baker]
> > >>
> > >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> > >>
> > >> The state's plan, which n

Re: [MBZ] Oh Andrew! Was: Welcome New Member

No but I did in a 123 wagon. 

http://okiebenz.com/funny/wagonoverload/

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>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 20, 2016 at 7:33 PM Kyle Arola via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It is all about the body style Cool trumps refined any day... And 123's
>> are cool...
> 
> Besides that, did Kleb ever haul over a ton of Autotraders in a S124?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oh Andrew! Was: Welcome New Member

2016-12-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On December 20, 2016 at 7:33 PM Kyle Arola via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is all about the body style Cool trumps refined any day... And 123's
> are cool...

Besides that, did Kleb ever haul over a ton of Autotraders in a S124?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

Yep.

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> wrote:
> 
> While sorting out a subscription issue for Randy yesterday, I happened to 
> notice that Herr Booth's email addy is still subscribed to the list.
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

I can't imagine that I would ever use aluminum anything, but I also have a
tendency to buy the higher quality for my vehicles no matter what it is.
Even consumables.

Kyle

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> And definitely used the high quality copper ones, not the AL ones.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have had those types on something I used to own, but cant remember
> what.
> > They blew often enough that i didn't have to worry about corrosion...
> > hahaha!
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kyle sez:
> >>
> >>> Change your fuses seems to be >pretty solid advice.  Is this a frequent
> >>> problem/occurrence or a once a year >type of event?
> >>
> >> They are a bullet shaped fuse, with a copper or lead element that is
> also
> >> the contact surface. They tend to corrode and can cause infuriating
> >> intermittent electrical problems. How often to change...? I dunno. I
> change
> >> them out when I get a car. Maybe every 4-5 years? If you live near salt
> air
> >> maybe more often
> >>
> >> Rick
> >> ‎
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

2016-12-21 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

And definitely used the high quality copper ones, not the AL ones.

Dan

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have had those types on something I used to own, but cant remember what.
> They blew often enough that i didn't have to worry about corrosion...
> hahaha!
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Kyle sez:
>> 
>>> Change your fuses seems to be >pretty solid advice.  Is this a frequent
>>> problem/occurrence or a once a year >type of event?
>> 
>> They are a bullet shaped fuse, with a copper or lead element that is also
>> the contact surface. They tend to corrode and can cause infuriating
>> intermittent electrical problems. How often to change...? I dunno. I change
>> them out when I get a car. Maybe every 4-5 years? If you live near salt air
>> maybe more often
>> 
>> Rick
>> ‎
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2016-12-21 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

While sorting out a subscription issue for Randy yesterday, I happened to 
notice that Herr Booth's email addy is still subscribed to the list.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

2016-12-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

As soon as hell freezes solid and the Ex calls me for a date to go ice
skating..

Your buy in to "climate change" is founded on faulty science, not backed by
solid historical research that has been properly interpreted. The
statistics going back 200 years, when properly applied, show a decade
increase of 0.01 degree centigrade.

Instead of buying into the spew, try following the money trail left by
those who are promoting "climate change" and have a hard look at what
drives them.. Al Gore, for example, has become quite rich while selling his
version.. and he is only one of many.

Shame.. you are a scientist.. use the facts.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So you would support a D gov for S Carolina?
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing "Rs"
> > for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal
> > check on the plundering of the treasury.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> >>
> >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> >>
> >> Benjamin Storrow , E&E
> News
> >> reporter
> >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> >>
> >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> >> believes
> >> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> >>
> >> Baker released a proposal
> >>  >> n3d-comments.html>
> >>   last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990
> levels
> >> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on
> the
> >> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators
> to
> >> patch leaky distribution lines.
> >>
> >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> >>
> >> [image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> >> 
> >>
> >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
> >> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by
> 2050
> >> (
> >> Climatewire ,
> May
> >>
> >> 19).
> >>
> >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change
> as
> >> a
> >> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet
> the
> >> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
> >> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
> >> emitter of greenhouse gases.
> >>
> >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
> >> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
> >> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
> >> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
> >> there."
> >>
> >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would
> be
> >> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
> >> under Baker's proposal.
> >>
> >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> years,
> >> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> Association.
> >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
> >> sector.
> >>
> >> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted
> to
> >> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
> >> Deeper cuts at power plants
> >>
> >> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its
> legal
> >> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
> >> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> >> Environmental Protection.
> >>
> >> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> >> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> >> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> >> [image: Charlie Baker]
> >>
> >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on
> imposing
> >> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
> >> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons
> in
> >> 2050.
> >>
> >> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it
> >> calls
> >> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
> >

Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

I totally get that  Time is always the bottleneck..

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If somebody wants to build a new site and email me the files I will gladly
> upload them. Otherwise I need to get off my ass and do something about it I
> guess.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Kyle Arola  wrote:
> >
> > I did notice the super vintage Java Had to add all sorts of
> exceptions to run the main website! hahaha!
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> A few clarification. I ran the mbz.org lists for Dickarde when they
> crashed for good in 2005 and moved the list here. The okie website was
> thrown together by me then and has not been updated since. One of these
> days maybe I will tackle that.
> >>
> >> Speaking of Marshall, he was also involved in the movie business for a
> short while and was the sound guy or something for a little movie you may
> have heard of that started it all called Night of the Living Dead.
> >>
> >> http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/fullcredits/sound_
> department?ref_=m_ttfc_10
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here,
> in case you weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in
> the facts.
> >> >
> >> > This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with
> servers based in Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen
> nineties (1997?). In about 2006, the server crashed and was never properly
> brought back online. When the system went down, Kaleb got a list of the
> membership and proceeded to contact everyone and started a new email list,
> with all of the old members. Many folks here, have been here since the
> beginning.
> >> >
> >> > About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most
> august, well educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere in the
> physical, or cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several commercial
> and military pilots (ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple JD's. ‎Some of us
> have no letters after our name, but have been educated by life, and the
> passage of time.
> >> >
> >> > We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members
> endure the off topic excursions without too much complaint. If we stuck to
> MB topics only, the list traffic would be sparse, and would eventually fade
> away. Any question or topic imaginable can be asked here, and answers will
> magically appear in your inbox. Want to know how to fix your dishwasher?
> Ask away. What is the best apple for pies? Yep, someone here knows. The
> subject of politics ‎is endured, but can get out of hand. Fortunately, most
> of us do an adequate job of self policing. Personal attacks, and cursing
> will not be tolerated, and will get you moderated or banned. (Somebody else
> can explain the origins of the email group "Banned".) A couple of folks use
> pseudonyms instead of their given names, I suppose as an attempt to lessen
> their Internet footprint. To each his own.
> >> >
> >> > We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A.
> Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and Mercedes
> Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one of them. I, for one, feel
> blessed to have known him digitally. He would USE CAPS for emphasis, and
> any electrical malady would usually bring the response from him to CHANGE
> YOUR FUSES. It is an iconic phrase around here...
> >> >
> >> > A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to
> accept modern amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C" in
> "cheap". We understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar, and wish
> to extract the most value we can from each one of those hard earned
> dollars. Hence the love of Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that is the
> reason we are here.
> >> >
> >> > Welcome to the club.
> >> >
> >> > ‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em
> >> >
> >> > ‎Rick
> >> >  ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
> >> > http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/
> Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-
> was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

I have had those types on something I used to own, but cant remember what.
They blew often enough that i didn't have to worry about corrosion...
hahaha!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Kyle sez:
>
> >Change your fuses seems to be >pretty solid advice.  Is this a frequent
> >problem/occurrence or a once a year >type of event?
>
> They are a bullet shaped fuse, with a copper or lead element that is also
> the contact surface. They tend to corrode and can cause infuriating
> intermittent electrical problems. How often to change...? I dunno. I change
> them out when I get a car. Maybe every 4-5 years? If you live near salt air
> maybe more often
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] AC Compressor Reseal

2016-12-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Uhh, always? Never had a failure, still works 35 years later...
Curt

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  On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:31 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:   > Curt wrote:

> ... my first computer, the TI99/4A. ...I casually mentioned that
> my first computer had 16KB of RAM and we saved programs to audio
> tape. ... The younger folks didn't believe you could save
> programs to audio tape so we had a learning moment...

Sure!  You could _save_ the program to audio tape - but how often
were you able to _load_ from audio tape?  In that respect, the TI
was pretty weak.  We had better luck with reel-to-reel at higher
tape speeds than with cassette, but it was still not very dependable.

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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

2016-12-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Kyle sez:

>Change your fuses seems to be >pretty solid advice.  Is this a frequent 
>>problem/occurrence or a once a year >type of event?

They are a bullet shaped fuse, with a copper or lead element that is also the 
contact surface. They tend to corrode and can cause infuriating intermittent 
electrical problems. How often to change...? I dunno. I change them out when I 
get a car. Maybe every 4-5 years? If you live near salt air maybe more often

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

If somebody wants to build a new site and email me the files I will gladly 
upload them. Otherwise I need to get off my ass and do something about it I 
guess.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Kyle Arola  wrote:
> 
> I did notice the super vintage Java Had to add all sorts of exceptions to 
> run the main website! hahaha!
> 
> Kyle
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> A few clarification. I ran the mbz.org lists for Dickarde when they crashed 
>> for good in 2005 and moved the list here. The okie website was thrown 
>> together by me then and has not been updated since. One of these days maybe 
>> I will tackle that.
>> 
>> Speaking of Marshall, he was also involved in the movie business for a short 
>> while and was the sound guy or something for a little movie you may have 
>> heard of that started it all called Night of the Living Dead.
>> 
>> http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/fullcredits/sound_department?ref_=m_ttfc_10
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > ‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here, in 
>> > case you weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in the 
>> > facts.
>> >
>> > This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with servers 
>> > based in Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen nineties 
>> > (1997?). In about 2006, the server crashed and was never properly brought 
>> > back online. When the system went down, Kaleb got a list of the membership 
>> > and proceeded to contact everyone and started a new email list, with all 
>> > of the old members. Many folks here, have been here since the beginning.
>> >
>> > About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most august, 
>> > well educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere in the 
>> > physical, or cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several commercial 
>> > and military pilots (ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple JD's. ‎Some of us 
>> > have no letters after our name, but have been educated by life, and the 
>> > passage of time.
>> >
>> > We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members endure 
>> > the off topic excursions without too much complaint. If we stuck to MB 
>> > topics only, the list traffic would be sparse, and would eventually fade 
>> > away. Any question or topic imaginable can be asked here, and answers will 
>> > magically appear in your inbox. Want to know how to fix your dishwasher? 
>> > Ask away. What is the best apple for pies? Yep, someone here knows. The 
>> > subject of politics ‎is endured, but can get out of hand. Fortunately, 
>> > most of us do an adequate job of self policing. Personal attacks, and 
>> > cursing will not be tolerated, and will get you moderated or banned. 
>> > (Somebody else can explain the origins of the email group "Banned".) A 
>> > couple of folks use pseudonyms instead of their given names, I suppose as 
>> > an attempt to lessen their Internet footprint. To each his own.
>> >
>> > We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A. 
>> > Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and Mercedes 
>> > Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one of them. I, for one, 
>> > feel blessed to have known him digitally. He would USE CAPS for emphasis, 
>> > and any electrical malady would usually bring the response from him to 
>> > CHANGE YOUR FUSES. It is an iconic phrase around here...
>> >
>> > A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to accept 
>> > modern amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C" in "cheap". 
>> > We understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar, and wish to 
>> > extract the most value we can from each one of those hard earned dollars. 
>> > Hence the love of Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that is the reason we are 
>> > here.
>> >
>> > Welcome to the club.
>> >
>> > ‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em
>> >
>> > ‎Rick
>> >  ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
>> > http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

I did notice the super vintage Java Had to add all sorts of exceptions
to run the main website! hahaha!

Kyle

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A few clarification. I ran the mbz.org lists for Dickarde when they
> crashed for good in 2005 and moved the list here. The okie website was
> thrown together by me then and has not been updated since. One of these
> days maybe I will tackle that.
>
> Speaking of Marshall, he was also involved in the movie business for a
> short while and was the sound guy or something for a little movie you may
> have heard of that started it all called Night of the Living Dead.
>
> http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/fullcredits/sound_
> department?ref_=m_ttfc_10
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here, in
> case you weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in the
> facts.
> >
> > This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with servers
> based in Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen nineties
> (1997?). In about 2006, the server crashed and was never properly brought
> back online. When the system went down, Kaleb got a list of the membership
> and proceeded to contact everyone and started a new email list, with all of
> the old members. Many folks here, have been here since the beginning.
> >
> > About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most
> august, well educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere in the
> physical, or cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several commercial
> and military pilots (ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple JD's. ‎Some of us
> have no letters after our name, but have been educated by life, and the
> passage of time.
> >
> > We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members endure
> the off topic excursions without too much complaint. If we stuck to MB
> topics only, the list traffic would be sparse, and would eventually fade
> away. Any question or topic imaginable can be asked here, and answers will
> magically appear in your inbox. Want to know how to fix your dishwasher?
> Ask away. What is the best apple for pies? Yep, someone here knows. The
> subject of politics ‎is endured, but can get out of hand. Fortunately, most
> of us do an adequate job of self policing. Personal attacks, and cursing
> will not be tolerated, and will get you moderated or banned. (Somebody else
> can explain the origins of the email group "Banned".) A couple of folks use
> pseudonyms instead of their given names, I suppose as an attempt to lessen
> their Internet footprint. To each his own.
> >
> > We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A.
> Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and Mercedes
> Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one of them. I, for one, feel
> blessed to have known him digitally. He would USE CAPS for emphasis, and
> any electrical malady would usually bring the response from him to CHANGE
> YOUR FUSES. It is an iconic phrase around here...
> >
> > A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to accept
> modern amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C" in "cheap".
> We understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar, and wish to
> extract the most value we can from each one of those hard earned dollars.
> Hence the love of Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that is the reason we are
> here.
> >
> > Welcome to the club.
> >
> > ‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em
> >
> > ‎Rick
> >  ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
> > http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/
> Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-
> was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

That is a pretty long history!  Not really that surprising as the "older"
generations seem to not be part of the throw away generation we are seeing
today.  I was introduced to this group and encouraged to get involved by
Dan and Manfred and in my quest for a seasoned Mercedes W123 wagon, this
group will certainly be of benefit to me!  I appreciate knowing some of the
history behind this effort and I will certainly use the knowledge available
for good and not evil!

Change your fuses seems to be pretty solid advice.  Is this a frequent
problem/occurrence or a once a year type of event?

Thanks!  Kyle

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here, in
> case you weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in the
> facts.
>
> This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with servers
> based in Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen nineties
> (1997?). In about 2006, the server crashed and was never properly brought
> back online. When the system went down, Kaleb got a list of the membership
> and proceeded to contact everyone and started a new email list, with all of
> the old members. Many folks here, have been here since the beginning.
>
> About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most august,
> well educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere in the
> physical, or cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several commercial
> and military pilots (ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple JD's. ‎Some of us
> have no letters after our name, but have been educated by life, and the
> passage of time.
>
> We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members endure
> the off topic excursions without too much complaint. If we stuck to MB
> topics only, the list traffic would be sparse, and would eventually fade
> away. Any question or topic imaginable can be asked here, and answers will
> magically appear in your inbox. Want to know how to fix your dishwasher?
> Ask away. What is the best apple for pies? Yep, someone here knows. The
> subject of politics ‎is endured, but can get out of hand. Fortunately, most
> of us do an adequate job of self policing. Personal attacks, and cursing
> will not be tolerated, and will get you moderated or banned. (Somebody else
> can explain the origins of the email group "Banned".) A couple of folks use
> pseudonyms instead of their given names, I suppose as an attempt to lessen
> their Internet footprint. To each his own.
>
> We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A.
> Marshall Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and Mercedes
> Benz diesel automobile systems happened to be one of them. I, for one, feel
> blessed to have known him digitally. He would USE CAPS for emphasis, and
> any electrical malady would usually bring the response from him to CHANGE
> YOUR FUSES. It is an iconic phrase around here...
>
> A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to accept
> modern amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C" in "cheap".
> We understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar, and wish to
> extract the most value we can from each one of those hard earned dollars.
> Hence the love of Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that is the reason we are
> here.
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
> ‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em
>
> ‎Rick
>  ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years.
> http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/
> Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-
> was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171
>
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Re: [MBZ] Welcome New Member

A few clarification. I ran the mbz.org lists for Dickarde when they crashed for 
good in 2005 and moved the list here. The okie website was thrown together by 
me then and has not been updated since. One of these days maybe I will tackle 
that. 

Speaking of Marshall, he was also involved in the movie business for a short 
while and was the sound guy or something for a little movie you may have heard 
of that started it all called Night of the Living Dead. 

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/fullcredits/sound_department?ref_=m_ttfc_10

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> ‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here, in case 
> you weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in the facts. 
> 
> This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with servers based 
> in Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen nineties (1997?). In 
> about 2006, the server crashed and was never properly brought back online. 
> When the system went down, Kaleb got a list of the membership and proceeded 
> to contact everyone and started a new email list, with all of the old 
> members. Many folks here, have been here since the beginning. 
> 
> About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most august, 
> well educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere in the physical, 
> or cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several commercial and military 
> pilots (ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple JD's. ‎Some of us have no letters 
> after our name, but have been educated by life, and the passage of time. 
> 
> We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members endure the 
> off topic excursions without too much complaint. If we stuck to MB topics 
> only, the list traffic would be sparse, and would eventually fade away. Any 
> question or topic imaginable can be asked here, and answers will magically 
> appear in your inbox. Want to know how to fix your dishwasher? Ask away. What 
> is the best apple for pies? Yep, someone here knows. The subject of politics 
> ‎is endured, but can get out of hand. Fortunately, most of us do an adequate 
> job of self policing. Personal attacks, and cursing will not be tolerated, 
> and will get you moderated or banned. (Somebody else can explain the origins 
> of the email group "Banned".) A couple of folks use pseudonyms instead of 
> their given names, I suppose as an attempt to lessen their Internet 
> footprint. To each his own. 
> 
> We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A. Marshall 
> Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and Mercedes Benz diesel 
> automobile systems happened to be one of them. I, for one, feel blessed to 
> have known him digitally. He would USE CAPS for emphasis, and any electrical 
> malady would usually bring the response from him to CHANGE YOUR FUSES. It is 
> an iconic phrase around here... 
> 
> A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to accept 
> modern amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C" in "cheap". We 
> understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar, and wish to extract 
> the most value we can from each one of those hard earned dollars. Hence the 
> love of Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that is the reason we are here. 
> 
> Welcome to the club. 
> 
> ‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em
> 
> ‎Rick
>  ‎A link to Marshall's obit. Can't believe it's been nine years. 
> http://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2007/11/30/Obituary-Dr-August-M-Booth-Jr-Pitt-pharmacology-researcher-was-instrumental-in-department-s-growth/stories/200711300171
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Re: [MBZ] k: Welcome New Member

Karl - do you have an 85 CA version TD?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl,
>
> I would like to see as many examples as possible so I understand better
> what I am getting when we do finally purchase a car.  Cali is a haul, no
> doubt, and I am unsure of shipping costs from there to Florida.  We would
> do that for the "right" car for our family.
>
> Kyle
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:44 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
>
> > If Andrew doesn't pan out you can buy mine. I should have the window leak
> > fixed by then. California though.
> >
> > On Dec 20, 2016 3:38 PM, "Kyle Arola via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Giles! So far so awesome here!
> >> Kyle
> >>
> >> On Dec 20, 2016 6:36 PM, "Dwight Giles via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Welcome Kyle
> >> > I don't know of any 123 TD'S here in New,England  bit will be,alert.
> >> When
> >> > you get one you can drive it up to the New England ChowdahQ  in
> >> September.
> >> >
> >> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> > 1982 300CD
> >> > 2005 E320 4 matic
> >> > Wickford RI
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 20, 2016 11:44 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > There ya go Andrew!  Drive your spare 123.193 down to the Q, ride da
> dog
> >> > home!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Welcome Kyle!
> >> >
> >> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
> >> > > December 20, 2016 at 9:19 AM
> >> > > Thanks Dan!
> >> > >
> >> > > Had a problem with the vintage Java version and my Win10 machine,
> had
> >> to
> >> > > add some security exceptions and such. The direct sign up link from
> >> > Manfred
> >> > > worked like a charm to register!
> >> > >
> >> > > Looking forward the the meet in January and it is on the same day we
> >> sell
> >> > > back our VW! WH!
> >> > >
> >> > > We are really searching for a 300TD Wagon now, the 81-85 version,
> and
> >> > will
> >> > > consider cars that are not projects and are solid, correct, and
> fully
> >> > > functional. I know, not too demanding. hahaha!
> >> > >
> >> > > If anyone is considering selling their wagon, we will love and care
> >> for
> >> > > your baby properly!
> >> > >
> >> > > Kyle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >> > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> > > December 20, 2016 at 9:06 AM
> >> > > Kyle Arola has just subscribed to the Okie List.
> >> > >
> >> > > Kyle lives up in north central Florida near Manfred. I saw his post
> on
> >> > > Benzworld last week looking for a nice 300TD to replace his soon to
> be
> >> > > returned VW diesel and reached out to him about our list and
> Manfred’s
> >> > > proximity, which really worked out well.
> >> > >
> >> > > Kyle has already paid Manfred a visit so he could test drive a
> diesel
> >> > > wagon, and he’s planning on attending the Manfred “Q” in January.
> >> > >
> >> > > Welcome, Kyle!
> >> > >
> >> > > Dan
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[MBZ] Droolworthy 280SE 4.5 on BAT

Due to lack of a sunroof this may sell at a reasonable price.

Wilton?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mercedes-benz-280se-4-5/
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[MBZ] Anyone jonesing for a 1974 RR Silver Shadow?

Auction ending today and still very affordable.  Who wants this beauty?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-rolls-royce-silver-shadow/
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

I had the same problem.  Typically, it's the hatch seal and rear quarter
window gaskets that can be replaced or resealed, at our option.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Door gasket is the usual suspect when the footwell fills up, but I would
> suspect the window gasket in your case.  Get a new one, re-intalling with
> an old seal will just give you a bigger leak.
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

So you would support a D gov for S Carolina?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing "Rs"
> for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal
> check on the plundering of the treasury.
>
> --R
>
> On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
>>
>> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
>>
>> Benjamin Storrow , E&E News
>> reporter
>> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
>>
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
>> believes
>> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
>>
>> Baker released a proposal
>> > n3d-comments.html>
>>   last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
>> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
>> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
>> patch leaky distribution lines.
>>
>> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
>>
>> [image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]
>> 
>>
>> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
>> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
>> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050
>> (
>> Climatewire , May
>>
>> 19).
>>
>> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
>> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as
>> a
>> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
>> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
>> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
>> emitter of greenhouse gases.
>>
>> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
>> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
>> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
>> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
>> there."
>>
>> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
>> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
>> under Baker's proposal.
>>
>> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
>> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
>> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
>> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
>> sector.
>>
>> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
>> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
>> Deeper cuts at power plants
>>
>> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
>> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
>> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
>> Environmental Protection.
>>
>> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
>> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
>> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
>> [image: Charlie Baker]
>>
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
>>
>> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
>> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
>> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
>> 2050.
>>
>> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it
>> calls
>> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
>> energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
>> low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
>> effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
>> requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
>> like wind and solar.
>>
>> "I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
>> particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
>> said in an interview.
>>
>> Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
>> still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
>> 1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
>> an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.
>>
>> And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations
>> do
>> virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
>> emissions

[MBZ] Climate change skepticism deconstructed - weather vs. climate

The National Academy of Science offers a plausible explanation for people
like Curley, among others, who take up bandwidth arguing against
human-driven climate change and the science that supports it.
SCIENCESkepticism fueled by 'gut' reaction to local weather


Published: Tuesday, December 20, 2016

If it's hot outside, you're more likely to believe in climate change.

The public perception of climate change is shaped by the weather that
people experience, according to a study
 published
yesterday in the *Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences* journal.

People who live in areas where high temperature records are broken are more
likely to believe in global warming than those who do not. In areas that
experienced record lows, people were less inclined to believe in the
mainstream climate science that shows human activity is warming the Earth.

People see climate change through a local lens, said Robert Kaufmann, the
study's lead author and director of the Center for Energy and Environmental
Studies at Boston University. And in many areas of the country, the climate
is not changing in the same way that it is for the entire planet.

That, of course, doesn't mean climate science is wrong, since it doesn't
claim that all parts of the planet will warm in the same way. But the study
shows that people's daily weather experiences does lead to skepticism in
areas not breaking heat records, he said.

"When personal experience and expert opinion don't align on a topic that's
not critical to an individual's well-being, they're going to go with their
gut rather than what the expert tells them," Kaufmann said.

Researchers noted that the discrepancy resulted from the public's equating
of weather with climate, which many assume are the same. When they head
outside and the weather is extremely hot and humid, they are more likely to
believe in a warming climate, which is a weather trend that lasts for
decades. In addition, the term "global warming" has convinced many people
that they must feel record warmth for the theory of a hotter planet to hold
true, researchers found.

The areas where many heat records are broken, and where public perception
is tilted in the direction of mainstream climate science, included much of
the West Coast and the Northeast. Areas where there is a high level of
climate skepticism and record-breaking cold include Ohio and much of the
Mississippi River Valley.
I'll make up my own mind

The study was released on the same day that the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration declared November the fifth hottest on record
and again noted that 2016 would likely be the hottest year on record for
global temperatures. The contiguous United States experienced its fifth
warmest November ever recorded, according to NOAA.

Despite the gap in perception, a majority of Americans want more political
and corporate responsibility on climate change, according to a survey from
Yale University's climate change communication program, released last week.

A majority of Americans favor political action on global warming, despite
the presidential victory of Donald Trump, who questions climate science,
the survey found. It shows that almost two-thirds of registered voters
across all parties want the Trump administration and Congress to do more to
address global warming. Almost three-quarters of Republicans and about 90
percent of Democrats want corporations to do more on climate change.

"For the most part, Americans want major institutions that have a lot of
power and influence to do more on the issue on global warming," said Matt
Cutler, a Yale University researcher.

Still, Kaufmann said it's human nature to trust one's own experience over
scientific evidence or political wisdom.

"Unless it really affects my everyday life, I'm not going to spend time
studying this issue, and I'm not necessarily going to believe scientists
either, especially now that experts are held in such ill repute, but I'm
going to make up my mind based on how I can see and feel climate change,"
he said. "For many people, that is record-high and record-low temperatures."
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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

2016-12-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing "Rs" 
for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal 
check on the plundering of the treasury.


--R

On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.

GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars

Benjamin Storrow , E&E News
reporter
Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
in climate change, and he's doing something about it.

Baker released a proposal

  last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
patch leaky distribution lines.

The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?

[image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]


The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
Climatewire , May
19).

Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
emitter of greenhouse gases.

"I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
there."

Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
under Baker's proposal.

Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
sector.

"We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
Deeper cuts at power plants

State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
Environmental Protection.

Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
[image: Charlie Baker]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.

The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
2050.

It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
like wind and solar.

"I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
said in an interview.

Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.

And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations do
virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
emissions," he said.

Baker may yet prove a test case for how far Republicans are willing to go
in addressing climate change.
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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in

[MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.

GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars

Benjamin Storrow , E&E News
reporter
Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
in climate change, and he's doing something about it.

Baker released a proposal

 last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
patch leaky distribution lines.

The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?

[image: E&E Power Plan Hub Logo]


The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
Climatewire , May
19).

Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
emitter of greenhouse gases.

"I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
there."

Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
under Baker's proposal.

Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
sector.

"We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
Deeper cuts at power plants

State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
Environmental Protection.

Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
[image: Charlie Baker]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.

The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
2050.

It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
like wind and solar.

"I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
said in an interview.

Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.

And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations do
virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
emissions," he said.

Baker may yet prove a test case for how far Republicans are willing to go
in addressing climate change.
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2016-12-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

‎Hi there Kyle, welcome to the club. A little about our group here, in case you
weren't informed. Someone please correct me if I am errant in the facts.

This ema‎il group originally started as a MB diesel list, with servers based in
Canada. That list was incarnated in the late nineteen nineties (1997?). In
about 2006, the server crashed and was never properly brought back online. When
the system went down, Kaleb got a list of the membership and proceeded to
contact everyone and started a new email list, with all of the old members.
Many folks here, have been here since the beginning.

About the members here. You will find this to be amongst the most august, well
educated, intelligent, and well rounded groups anywhere in the physical, or
cyber world. We have numerous engineers, several commercial and military pilots
(ret), a couple of PhD 's, a couple JD's. ‎Some of us have no letters after our
name, but have been educated by life, and the passage of time.

We tend to veer off topic occasionally (a LOT), but most members endure the off
topic excursions without too much complaint. If we stuck to MB topics only, the
list traffic would be sparse, and would eventually fade away. Any question or
topic imaginable can be asked here, and answers will magically appear in your
inbox. Want to know how to fix your dishwasher? Ask away. What is the best
apple for pies? Yep, someone here knows. The subject of politics ‎is endured,
but can get out of hand. Fortunately, most of us do an adequate job of self
policing. Personal attacks, and cursing will not be tolerated, and will get you
moderated or banned. (Somebody else can explain the origins of the email group
"Banned".) A couple of folks use pseudonyms instead of their given names, I
suppose as an attempt to lessen their Internet footprint. To each his own.

We have had a few members pass away, most notable among them was A. Marshall
Booth PhD. The man was a genius in several‎ fields, and Mercedes Benz diesel
automobile systems happened to be one of them. I, for one, feel blessed to have
known him digitally. He would USE CAPS for emphasis, and any electrical malady
would usually bring the response from him to CHANGE YOUR FUSES. It is an iconic
phrase around here...

A few of us can be considered Luddites (kermudgians, refusing to accept modern
amenities)‎. I would say the majority of us put the "C" in "cheap". We
understand the hard work behind the value of a dollar, and wish to extract the
most value we can from each one of those hard earned dollars. Hence the love of
Mercedes Benz automobiles. And that is the reason we are here.

Welcome to the club.

‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiEkUollnQ&sns=em

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

2016-12-21 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Door gasket is the usual suspect when the footwell fills up, but I  
would suspect the window gasket in your case.  Get a new one, re- 
intalling with an old seal will just give you a bigger leak.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Oh Andrew! Was: Welcome New Member

Clay,

That is so true!  Looking for the past month and before joining this list
and 2 other MB forums I feel that I have a good idea of what these cars are
going for.  That being said, one of the reasons for joining this merry band
of travelers is to get some help with finding this car, making friends in
this community, and trying to not get screwed by a seller.  hahaha!  Saving
us a trip up north would be pretty amazing!  Appreciate that for sure!
I will have to make a note on my growing list of "what to look at" about
the seals and such.
Thanks!
Kyle

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:47 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Welcome Kyle.
>
> If you want a car you do not need to screw with for a decade, you may need
> to up the buy in.   The W123 is rather bullet proof, but the 85 TD is over
> 30 years old.  Were I in the market with the parameters you lay out, I
> think I would want a very recently refreshed example with all new rubber
> bits, seals, hoses, injectors, exhaust, and no rust.  Black or white, since
> that can be one step paint that will buff out and not mess with clear
> coating.
>
> I will keep an eye out in the great north wet.  Might drive it down if you
> like it, saving you a trip up
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
>
> retired models-
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Garage queens don't last on the farm.. The dogs like to pee on the tires!
> > hahaha! I just cant get them to quit.
> >
> > What you are saying makes perfect sense, and which is why I would prefer
> to
> > get a car from someone who knows what it is and has done the work on it
> to
> > keep it running reliably and take the advice of people who know these
> > cars.
> >
> > Since this is hopefully the last car I buy for 10+ years, I just have to
> > remember these lessons in the future!
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The way I have always approached this has been to explain that I am
> >> looking for the best reasonably priced example of the car that doesn’t
> need
> >> repairs.  No basket cases, project cars, etc., something I can get into,
> >> turn the key and go with minimal concerns.  In my case I want the best
> >> cosmetics as I don’t do body work nor do I want to pay for it.  Minor
> >> mechanical or electrical issues can be present as long as it’s clear
> they
> >> are something that I can resolve without major effort.
> >>
> >> Believe me, you always want to go for the best possible example of the
> car
> >> you can get for your money.  Fixer-uppers are not what you should buy if
> >> you’re looking for a daily driver right out of the gate, and I know this
> >> isn’t the case for you.
> >>
> >> For example, I really wanted a long wheelbase W126 diesel.  I paid
> between
> >> $4k-$5k for the 1990 350SDL I now have.  It’s not perfect, nor was it
> when
> >> I bought it.  However, I got a really good, solid car with a history I
> was
> >> comfortable with and few, if any, issues, all of which were very minor
> and
> >> easily resolved by me.  I didn’t want a garage queen, parade car or
> >> concours entry.  It’s far from perfect but the average non-MB owner
> would
> >> look at it and say it’s a really nice car.  As an MB owner I’m far more
> >> discerning and I know what to look for, but I didn’t pay for perfection.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That is certainly true, I was hoping to avoid the whole "buy my basket
> >>> case" event, but perhaps a quick edit to my post might eliminate this
> >>> problem... I will try that.
> >>>
> >>> Kyle
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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