Re: [newbie-it] make

2000-12-06 Thread Andrea Celli

loris gava wrote:
 
 Sto cercando di installare il solito driver per scanner parallelo da far
 funzionare con SANE. Dopo aver risolto alcuni problemi con le librerie,se
 lancio Make install ottengo questa risposta dal sistema:
 
 make[1]: Entering directory `/root/storm/primax_scan-0.93beta3' /bin/sh
 ./mkinstalldirs /usr/local/bin   /usr/bin/install -c  primax_scan
 /usr/local/bin/primax_scan
 make[1]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/storm/primax_scan-0.93beta3'
 
 Qualcuno sa darmi qualche dritta in merito? (abbiate pazienza, l'ignoranza è
 una brutta cosa). Un grazie anticipato.
 
 

Sembrano normali messaggi di servizio:
Entra nella dir e lancia install, 
dice che non ha piu` nulla da fare li dentro, 
esce dalla dir.

Quale e` il problema?
Sarebbe preoccupante solo se dopo questo tu non trovassi al suo posto
/usr/local/bin/primax_scan.

Attento che essendo in /usr/local/bin (che non fa parte del PATH
di root) non potrai lanciare primax_scan come root, ma solo come
utente normale.
Se vuoi lanciarlo come root devi dargli il path completo:
/usr/local/bin/primax_scan. Oppure farne un link simbolico
in /usr/bin.


ciao, andrea




[newbie] Linux-Mandrake 7.2 on Compaq Armada 1750

2000-12-06 Thread Richard F. Galaz

Hello,

I'm fairly new to linux and I'm still learning how to use it.  I just
connected to the internet using Win2K internet sharing connection.  A
great accomplishment for a newbie, I suppose... Anyway, ahead with my
problem...

I just installed the current version Linux-Mandrake on my Compaq Armada
1750.  The installation was smooth, I did not encounter any problems. 
The only thing that I am not happy with is that there is no sound.  Has
anyone found any sound drivers for linux?  I have tried to look up the
information on the sound drivers for Windows, but I haven't been
successful in retrieving any information.  Besides the sound thing, I am
having problems logging out of a KDE session.  Whenever I try to logout,
it just sits there.  I can still move the mouse around and everything,
but nothing will open.  I have left the computer alone for about 10
minutes to see if it needed more time to logout.  Has anyone else had
similar problems like this?  Is there a set of steps that I should take
before logging out??

I should mention that I am using a 3COM 10/100 LAN Cardbus (model
3CCFE575BT) for my network connection.  I have noticed that when I have
the card inserted into a slot, it takes longer to enter a KDE session. 
Could this be the cause to the problems that I'm having?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.
Richard F. Galaz




Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-06 Thread Ian Land

Well, that's only true if you use a window manager like KDE. Others, like 
Gnome, use double-clicks. So, a single-click is not "the Linux way". The 
Windows gui can be configured to act like Internet Explorer, which also means 
single-clicks. This isn't an OS question, it's a gui question.

 One of the "bad habits" is having to double-click
 when a single click will do.  For those of us
 who use both OS's it's quite distracting, and I
 think the Linux way makes more sense.

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"They said I was mad; and I said they were mad; 
damn them, they outvoted me"

- Nathaniel Lee





RE: [newbie] Resolving resource conflicts in Mandrake 7.2 complete

2000-12-06 Thread Jose M. Sanchez


In most computers IRQ allocation on PCI cards is SLOT dependant.

I'm sure a few people here will think otherwise, but it's true.

You can change the IRQ both cards will use, but the change will occur in
unison... I.E. both will go to 10 at the same time, etc.

What you need to do, is move one of the cards to another PCI card slot.

Some vendors now provide "maps" of the IRQ allocations on a per slot
basis...

I wish they all would to clarify things for a lot of people...

For example the AGP slot and the first slot (closest to the AGP slot)
normally share the same IRQ no matter what you do.

Slot two w/slot 5, etc... actual hardware may vary...

-JMS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 2:27 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [newbie] Resolving resource conflicts in Mandrake 7.2 complete


Hi,

I'm new to the list and have a question regarding resource conflicts in
Mandrake 7.2 Complete.

I have a system that I built, to act as a gateway/firewall for my cable
modem. The components are as follows :

ASUS P5A B motherboard with 1010 Bios version
64MB PC 100 RAM
Diamond Viper 550 PCI video
Creative 24X IDE CD ROM
Creative SB 16 ISA card
2 x 3COM 3c509B TX PCI NIC cards

My problem is that when I look in DrakConf at the NIC properties there are
Splat marks (!) on both NIC cards. A look at the properties reveals that
both cards are attempting to use the same memory resources (both are set to
use IRQ9). The change resources button is grayed out so it doesn't look like
I can set the properties (or test different resources) here.

I'm guessing that I need to change something in the BIOS. Does anyone have
any suggestions on the best way to get round this problem ?

Thanks, in advance,

Mark Lee





Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread John Rye

Mark Weaver wrote:
 
 Ok...I was really intrigued by the mention of a program called Tripwire
 here on the list, so I went out and found it; downloaded the binary
 tarball and installed it on my system. Now, I've got it and I don't have a
 clue as how to use it. I need to find some documentation that will at
 least "hint" how this thing is started, and then maintained. What docs
 came with it amount to a README file, and some short snippets of info that
 aren't any help at all.
 
 Of course there are some man pages, but at times they can be no help at
 all, but a great source of frustration.
 
 Can anyone suggest some where a fella could get some docs to tell me how
 to get started with this package?

Mark

I looked at tripwire a while back and had the same problem - there is
a 'clone' called (I think), 'aide' which has fairly good docs included.

After looking through these docs I got an idea of what was needed but
never actually completed the process - I think that was around
re-install 20 or so (current count 46).

I've looked through what I have here but seems I might have deleted both
distributions.

Cheers
-- 
ICQ#: 89345394  Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected"
(The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)





Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 7.2 on Compaq Armada 1750

2000-12-06 Thread Mr S Ganesan

Please use DrakeConf as the root user. It has tools for configuing
sound. Click on the configure sound and follow the instructions. These
tools are found only if u r using Xwindow systed!On Wed, 6 Dec 2000,
Richard F. Galaz wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I'm fairly new to linux and I'm still learning how to use it.  I just
 connected to the internet using Win2K internet sharing connection.  A
 great accomplishment for a newbie, I suppose... Anyway, ahead with my
 problem...
 
 I just installed the current version Linux-Mandrake on my Compaq Armada
 1750.  The installation was smooth, I did not encounter any problems. 
 The only thing that I am not happy with is that there is no sound.  Has
 anyone found any sound drivers for linux?  I have tried to look up the
 information on the sound drivers for Windows, but I haven't been
 successful in retrieving any information.  Besides the sound thing, I am
 having problems logging out of a KDE session.  Whenever I try to logout,
 it just sits there.  I can still move the mouse around and everything,
 but nothing will open.  I have left the computer alone for about 10
 minutes to see if it needed more time to logout.  Has anyone else had
 similar problems like this?  Is there a set of steps that I should take
 before logging out??
 
 I should mention that I am using a 3COM 10/100 LAN Cardbus (model
 3CCFE575BT) for my network connection.  I have noticed that when I have
 the card inserted into a slot, it takes longer to enter a KDE session. 
 Could this be the cause to the problems that I'm having?
 
 Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.
 Richard F. Galaz
 

-- 
S.Ganesan
Senior Scientist
Central Institute of Agricultural Engineering
Berasia Road
Bhopal 462038, INDIA
Phone:  0755-730986 (O)
0755-732105 (R)
Fax:0755-734016
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Address:http://www.ciae.nic.in





Re: [newbie] LILO configuration

2000-12-06 Thread Avi Nehori

"adam.e.willcox.1" wrote:
 
 I just installed mandrake linux on a second hard drive on my machine.  My
 first hardrive currently has windows 2000.  I have 2 questions relating to
 these.  First, how do I access my windows2000 drive(NTFS) in linux, and
 how do I configure lilo to use it as a boot option.
 
 My current lilo.conf file looks like this:
 
 boot=/dev/hda
 read-only
 prompt
 timeout=200
 vga=normal
 
 images=/boot/vmlinuz-secure
 root=/dev/hdb1
 label=linux
 
 images/boot/vmlinuz
 root=/dev/hdb1
 label=linux-up
 
 images=/boot/vmlinuz
 root=/dev/hdb1
 label=failsafe
 append=" failsafe"
 
 Any help on these issues would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Adam

Hi adam try my lilo.conf
remember that the linux hard drive should be the primary master.
-- 

Avi Nehori

He was a fiddler, and consequently a rogue.
-- Jonathon Swift




Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread Jay

Roger Sherman wrote:
 
 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jay wrote:
 
 
Without sounding too harsh...What the hell is a registered Linux User
anyway?
  
   A linux user who is registered.
 
  Obviously, but where does one go to be a r.l.u.?
 
 http://counter.li.org/
 
 But why would you care if it seems so bourgouis?
 
 
And does anybody really care about that?
  
   If one had taste and class, perhaps...
 
  I wouldn't call it a matter of taste and class.
 
 Oh for christs sake...next time I wont forget the smiley.
 
  Maybe to you it is,
 but
  most people could care less what a r.l.u. is.  I don't...as long as you
  use Linux, who cares if you are registered.  That sounds so much like
  control to me.  Registration = Control.  Food for thought.
 
 You, my friend, are too tightly wrapped. I have it in my sig because it
 amuses me, nothing more, nothing less. I registered myself, and my
 machine, for the purpose of helping to put a concrete number on the amount
 of linux users there are. Lighten up. Go have a donut, think about a hot
 chick for a minute, play pacman, do whatever it is you do to
 relax. LOL...registration is control. Who was I trying to control with my
 sig file? Other than those with the pavlovian urge to bust balls over a
 sig file...
 
 
 
 --
 
 peace,
 
 Rog
 
 http://www.slammingrooves.com
 Registered Linux user #190719

I am pretty tightly wound, aren't I?  I realize that you meant this as
sarcasm, but you got to realize that sarcasm is different on "paper".  I
am a VERY sarcastic person, but sarcasm only really works via the spoken
word.  

I remember once on this list when a Brit busted me over my sig.  So I
know how you feel, my apologies.  Let's shake and make up...or we can
fight to the death :)
-- 
Jay
~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~
http://www.mrsnooky.com




Re: [newbie] Mandrake Ultra-ATA/100

2000-12-06 Thread Denis HAVLIK

:~I'm thinking of getting a 30GB IBM 75GXP hard drive. This drive supports 
:~Ultra-ATA/100. Will this work with the default Mandrake 7.2 kernel or will I 
:~have to recompile? I *could* just plug the drive into the UATA/66 port, but 
:~that'd kinda defeat the purpose of getting such a fast drive :-)

http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001201075945
http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001006105635

cu
Denis
-- 
-
Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik
Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quality Assurance  (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
---oOO--(_)--OOo-
The mailserver is on strike. It wants better working conditions,
paid days off and a female connector. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])





[newbie] StarOffice Mailing List?

2000-12-06 Thread SoloCDM

If you know of a mailing list for StarOffice, would you send me the
URL?

Note: When you reply to this message, please include
  the mailing list and my email address.

*
Signed,
SoloCDM




Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Weaver

O my...it's looking like I'm going to have to decypher the man pages on 
this one. Crap! it's going to be a long weekend with a headache again.

but thanks John for the reply. And by the way...I've been wondering 
about this...how come so many re-installs?

Mark

John Rye wrote:

 Mark Weaver wrote:
 
 Ok...I was really intrigued by the mention of a program called Tripwire
 here on the list, so I went out and found it; downloaded the binary
 tarball and installed it on my system. Now, I've got it and I don't have a
 clue as how to use it. I need to find some documentation that will at
 least "hint" how this thing is started, and then maintained. What docs
 came with it amount to a README file, and some short snippets of info that
 aren't any help at all.
 
 Of course there are some man pages, but at times they can be no help at
 all, but a great source of frustration.
 
 Can anyone suggest some where a fella could get some docs to tell me how
 to get started with this package?
 
 
 Mark
 
 I looked at tripwire a while back and had the same problem - there is
 a 'clone' called (I think), 'aide' which has fairly good docs included.
 
 After looking through these docs I got an idea of what was needed but
 never actually completed the process - I think that was around
 re-install 20 or so (current count 46).
 
 I've looked through what I have here but seems I might have deleted both
 distributions.
 
 Cheers





Re: [newbie] test - ignore

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Weaver

I know...I've been getting them too. For the past week or so. I sympa 
isn't feeling well.

Paul wrote:

 I keep getting mails bouncing as non-deliverable?
 
 Paul





Re: [newbie] majordomo

2000-12-06 Thread Romanator

Argh...

Mark Weaver wrote:
 
 Netscape 4.7x in Linux won't do the "above the text" thing for you like it
 will in Windows. Mozilla M18, Beonex Communicator, and of course the worst
 of the bunch, Netscape 6 will do this. Although I don't suggest using
 Netscape 6 since it sucks.
 
 --
 Mark
 
 / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
   * in order to get the rats up from below decks
   * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
   *
   * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
   */
 
 *REPLY SEPERATOR*
 
 On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 Romanator had this to say!
 
  How did you get majordomo configured? I'm supposed to be on the list.
  By the way, since I'm still running Netscrape. How can I get my
  signature to appear above the body of text?
  For some reason it always appears below. I feeling stupid tonight.
 
  Any ideas?
 
  Roman
 
 
  Mark Weaver wrote:
  
   yes...and one that defies being configured and ran. That much it does
   unwaveringly.
  
   --
   Mark
  
   / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
 * in order to get the rats up from below decks
 * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
 *
 * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
 */
  
   *REPLY SEPERATOR*
  
   On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 KompuKit had this to say!
  
majordomo is a mailing list manager
   
Dennis Myers wrote:

 KompuKit wrote:
 
  hello out there...is anyone seeing me...
 
  has anyone gotten majordomo working on 7.2yet
  --
   Registered Linux User:167369
  =KompuKit=
  Kit Goins   ICQ# 7110071
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lowell, Mass.
  Web Designerhttp://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com
  WebServer:  http://kompukit.dyndns.org
  (Server Runs between M - F 6pm-12am, S  S 12pm-12am EST)
  =KompuKit=
  I see you all the way from over here. Sorry I don't have an answer but
 what is majordomo?
 --
 Dennis Myers registered Linux User #180842
   
   
 

-




Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-06 Thread Romanator

Hey Tom,

Is it true about hardware providers paying fees to M$ so that Windows
supports or approves their hardware? In other words, no fee - no
drivers. Have you ever heard about this? I just wanted to clear that up.

Roman 

Tom Brinkman wrote:
 
A lot has been said about 'when Linux is ready for the average
 users desktop'.  Mostly inferring that this is a good idea to begin
 with.  I think not.
 
 What needs to be happening (IMO) is the users and desktop need to
 get ready for Linux, et al.  It appears, most seem to think that Linux
 has come a long way in the last few years.  Some in a Winblows sense.
 I sort'a kind'a agree.  Linux use to (only) run on quality, standard
 hardware.  Now it's tryin to run on any ol' thing ... kind'a like a
 Wintendo clone.  Lin-modems, lin-printers, lin-sound, lin-video,
 lin-mice, lin-, etc.
 
  While Linux and most other Un*x flavor OS's have progressed
 remarkedly in the last few years, the desktop systems have been goin'
 further an' further south.  Most of y'all recognize the 'winmodem'
 situation, but fail to see that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
 There's a sh!+load'a win-hardware out there now, and the situation's
 become worse and worse over just the last few years.  Many of y'all are
 tryin to run Linux on win-hardware.  Specially those that post " but it
 works great in Win..."   This is a USER problem, IMO.
 
 Keep this in mind when you evaluate Linux's climb in usability.
 It's been a real hard up hill climb against hardware that is more'n
 more intended, and designed _only_ to be used with Windoze. IOW's,
 goin' south.  Hell, a lot of it won't even work with NT or DOS. Heck, a
 lot of it doesn't work too well with Winblows!
 
Situation's becoming so bad that even Wintendo 95 thru ME is havin'
 problems runnin on the newest hardware offerings.  While I'm convinced
 that the BIG ready mades (ie, Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc) are the most
 overpriced cheap junk fosted on the unsuspecting public  they have
 one MAJOR factor goin for them.  They all design their limited,
 substandard, proprietary crap ... to work with Winblows.
 
*This makes most of the people happy, most of the time.*
  What I believe many of y'all think of as 'ready for the desktop'
 
Windoze doesn't work with any hardware... any hardware is intended
 to work with Winblows.  Well, sort'a. In the last year or so with the
 advent of 'Moore's Law' processors, and chipset/ram/motherboard/
 peripheal's inabiliity to adequately keep up, the public (read, USER)
 who's willing to accept this as progress, and also accept cheapness,
 corner cutting, substandard (read, 'onboard' or 'built-in') hardware as
 OK  .. IMO, that's the bigger PROBLEM.
 
I fault *uncle billy* for fostering this whole mess, and y'all that
 blindy suck in the advertised latest and greatest (cheapest?) hardware
 without really investigating it.   This is the main reason that I
 believe I'm in the majority when I suspect *USER*, hardware, operating
 software (_in that order_) as the cause of most computing failures,
 _any_ OS.
 --
 Tom Brinkman   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay

-- 
Roman
Registered Linux User #179293




Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Weaver

Jay!

I like your sig lines. :)

Mark

Jay wrote:

 Roger Sherman wrote:
 
 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jay wrote:
 
 
 Without sounding too harsh...What the hell is a registered Linux User
 anyway?
 
 A linux user who is registered.
 
 Obviously, but where does one go to be a r.l.u.?
 
 http://counter.li.org/
 
 But why would you care if it seems so bourgouis?
 
 
 And does anybody really care about that?
 
 If one had taste and class, perhaps...
 
 I wouldn't call it a matter of taste and class.
 
 Oh for christs sake...next time I wont forget the smiley.
 
 
 Maybe to you it is,
 
 but
 
 most people could care less what a r.l.u. is.  I don't...as long as you
 use Linux, who cares if you are registered.  That sounds so much like
 control to me.  Registration = Control.  Food for thought.
 
 You, my friend, are too tightly wrapped. I have it in my sig because it
 amuses me, nothing more, nothing less. I registered myself, and my
 machine, for the purpose of helping to put a concrete number on the amount
 of linux users there are. Lighten up. Go have a donut, think about a hot
 chick for a minute, play pacman, do whatever it is you do to
 relax. LOL...registration is control. Who was I trying to control with my
 sig file? Other than those with the pavlovian urge to bust balls over a
 sig file...
 
 
 
 --
 
 peace,
 
 Rog
 
 http://www.slammingrooves.com
 Registered Linux user #190719
 
 
 I am pretty tightly wound, aren't I?  I realize that you meant this as
 sarcasm, but you got to realize that sarcasm is different on "paper".  I
 am a VERY sarcastic person, but sarcasm only really works via the spoken
 word.  
 
 I remember once on this list when a Brit busted me over my sig.  So I
 know how you feel, my apologies.  Let's shake and make up...or we can
 fight to the death :)





Re: [newbie] CRC error attempting to install Mdk 7.2

2000-12-06 Thread civileme

On Wednesday 06 December 2000 01:11, you wrote:
 This evening I finally broke down cause my curiosity has gotten the better
 of me. I Burned the Mandrake 7.2 Cd's and got read to install it so I
 could see if I like it any better than 7.1.

 Whether I'm booting from the CD, or from a floppy I get the same error
 when the kernel start uncompressing.

 CRC error

 --System Halted

 Has anyone else seen this error when attempting to install 7.2. This, my
 home machine is an AMD K6 233, and the one at work, which gave me the
 error is a Celeron 500. I've got Mandrake 7.1 running on both machines
 with no troubles. I know...if it ain't broke don't fix it...but I just
 wanna see what it looks like. I've got full backups on both machine in
 case the whole thing goes south I can be back up in 30 minutes.

 thanks in advance,


It isn't quite clear from your description where the CRC error comes in.

CRC check characters are generated by shifting the data through a hardware 
shift register with feedback loops that essentialy divide or multiply it by a 
polynomial, a special one that can generate all the elements in a field of 4 
billion unique elements, and by appending this to the data stream.  
Supposedly, the receiving hardware duplicates the action.  It is not very 
likely that two 512 bit data streams differing by one or two bits will 
generate the same CRC (what is left in the register after the 
multiplication).  

If this is happening when you are trying to boot the install kernel, then I 
would ask if you used MD5sum on the isos downloaded.  And, was the floppy 
written  from the CD you burned or taken from a downloaded image?  It is 
possible that there is enouigh eccentricity between the burner and the CD 
reader that a CRC error could occur, and if the floppy was prepared from a 
read of the CD, then the error could propagate unchecked because floppies are 
a little too inexpensive to have CRC circuitry and just store what they get.


If this is happening after the install, it is likely the death knell of a WD 
disk (which blows off the CRC).  If it is happening at the install, I would 
say you have a coaster.

Civileme




[newbie] InstallShield

2000-12-06 Thread R Edward McCain

Didn't someone just mention that Linux needed a universal installer?

#

SCHAUMBURG, Ill., December 4, 2000 -- InstallShield®
   Software Corp., the leader in Internet-ready software
   installation and distribution solutions, today announced a
   major advancement for software developers targeting IBM and
   other platforms.

   Immediately available are three new InstallShield® Multi-
   Platform Edition products: InstallShield Express--Multi-
   Platform Edition, InstallShield Professional--Multi-Platform
   Edition, and InstallShield Enterprise--Multi-Platform
   Edition.

#

-- 

R. Edward McCain
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
icq: 599146
Registered Linux User #196613





Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread R Edward McCain

On Wed, 06 Dec 2000, you wrote:
 I remember once on this list when a Brit busted me over my sig.  So I

Give Ireland back to the Irish.
-- 

R. Edward McCain
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
icq: 599146
Registered Linux User #196613





RE: [newbie] boot problem

2000-12-06 Thread Kelly, Christopher

Then, boot with the disk, log into Linux as root, open the console, goto
/boot/grub, run ./install.sh. You may have to change the permissions...

Hope this helps!
Chris Kelly
Linux user 185775


-Original Message-
From: Adam Willcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] boot problem


Yup!

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly, Christopher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] boot problem


 Did you create a boot disk in the install?

 -Original Message-
 From: Sam Bridgman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 12:26 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] boot problem


 Hello:

 Have Linux-Mandrake 7.2, use System Commander 2000 from
 V-Communication for a multi-boot system with four other operating system,
I
 install 7.2 twice everything whent O. K. I think it installed O. K., but
 when the install get to bootloader it skip it,  Question how do I get to
 bootloader to configer it to get my multi-boot system manager to see it,
so
  I can boot into 7.2?

 Its on my Hard Drive but I cant open it!!

 Thanks

 Sam

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]







Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread John Rye

Mark Weaver wrote:
 
 O my...it's looking like I'm going to have to decypher the man pages on
 this one. Crap! it's going to be a long weekend with a headache again.
 
 but thanks John for the reply. And by the way...I've been wondering
 about this...how come so many re-installs?

Mostly - it's called - 'Oh darn it - that's fuxed it!!

I get myself into a position from which I can't recover and due to
our wide time differences it's easier to re-install and recover from
backups, normally around 1 to 2 hours.

It's hell waiting for the rest of the world to wake up, this usually
happens during my evening when all you guys in Gore County are wide
asleep!! (Big silly grin!!).

I have to admit that I genuinely believe that I'm winning this battle
as it it's Thursday AM right now and the last re-install was on 24th
November. Overall I'm pleased with what I'm learning here without
hassling with trying to keep up with the Jones's as far as distribution
levels go.

At this point I'm about ready to start planing a shift of mailing
systems
away from Netscape. It serves well but I haven't yet found a way to get
Netscape to pick up all mail from all email accounts in one fell swoop -
I have 5 accounts which I monitor!!

When I used windows I had a bunch of batch files which switched the Ns
preferences on the fly, but so far haven't sorted my thoughts on how
to do it with Linux - I assume that I have to do some messing about
with fetchmail, sendmail, postfix. But I have a fair bit of reading
to do yet.

It's coming - but any and all suggestions are welcome with the proviso
that my preference is toward a GUI mailing proggy with threading. The
reason for this quite simple - my vision is failing and it's easier to
mess with fonts and colours in the GUI's.

Cheers

John
-- 
ICQ#: 89345394  Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected"
(The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)





RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Johnson

These aren't bad habits from the user.  
These are complaints about the ergonomics of 
the GUI, in other words, possible bad UI design. 

A bad habit would be the OS/GUI allowing the 
user to do compulsively do something wrong to 
such an extent that it becomes a crutch, but 
forgave the action anyway (eg: not closing 
your html tags).  I can't think of any bad 
habits caused by either Linux or Windows or 
for that matter any OS/GUI...

-Original Message-
From: Doug McGarrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 4:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux


One of the "bad habits" is having to double-click
when a single click will do.  For those of us
who use both OS's it's quite distracting, and I
think the Linux way makes more sense.

Another bad habit of MS is always having to say
"yes you may" whenever you want to print something.
I hope Linux _never_ does that! I don't know how many
times I've walked over to the network printer and
found nothing because I forgot to say, "yes you may."





Re: [newbie] Help - USB Printer - Urgent

2000-12-06 Thread Till Kamppeter

I have found out that some printers work excellently on the parallel
port and do not work at all on the USB. Because it worked on the
parallel port under Mandrake 7.1 it will also work on the parallel port
under 7.2. All drivers of 7.1 are also available under 7.2. Note that
they are presented in another form now, because Mandrake 7.2 uses the
new printing system CUPS. There are also many new drivers, especially
GIMP-Print, which gives very high quality, especially on Epson Stylus
printers.

Try the following to get the USB working:

1. keep the printer turned on.

2. Edit /etc/sysconfig/usb adding a line: "PRINTER=yes". Restart the
affected daemons:

   service usb restart
   service cups restart

and see whether one can istall your printer now. If not, use the
parallel port and send me the output of the "lsmod" command.

   Till


Ashley Moore wrote:
 
 I've connected my Epson Stylus 740 using USB to my LM7.2 m/c
 How do I go about accessing it. (what device do I use?) I used the same
 printer sucessfully thru lpd (parallel port) on LM 7.1 After upgrading I
 want to give the USB support a shot. I'm totally blank on the subject. Any
 pointers on where to start would be appreciated.





RE: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread Abraham Pinzur


 Give Ireland back to the Irish.

Wow - and I thot Windows was off-topic... =)

Anybody wanna discuss some religion while we're at it? Paul maybe?

- Av -

P.S. Just so we're clear - THIS POST IS TONGUE-IN-CHEEK

--
Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R Edward McCain
 Sent: Wednesday, 06 December, 2000 06:18
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list
 
 
 On Wed, 06 Dec 2000, you wrote:
  I remember once on this list when a Brit busted me over my sig.  So I
 
 Give Ireland back to the Irish.
 -- 
 
 R. Edward McCain
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 icq: 599146
 Registered Linux User #196613
 
 




Re: [newbie] LILO configuration

2000-12-06 Thread Avi Nehori

Avi Nehori wrote:
 
 "adam.e.willcox.1" wrote:
 
  I just installed mandrake linux on a second hard drive on my machine.  My
  first hardrive currently has windows 2000.  I have 2 questions relating to
  these.  First, how do I access my windows2000 drive(NTFS) in linux, and
  how do I configure lilo to use it as a boot option.
 
  My current lilo.conf file looks like this:
 
  boot=/dev/hda
  read-only
  prompt
  timeout=200
  vga=normal
 
  images=/boot/vmlinuz-secure
  root=/dev/hdb1
  label=linux
 
  images/boot/vmlinuz
  root=/dev/hdb1
  label=linux-up
 
  images=/boot/vmlinuz
  root=/dev/hdb1
  label=failsafe
  append=" failsafe"
 
  Any help on these issues would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Adam
 
 Hi adam try my lilo.conf
 remember that the linux hard drive should be the primary master.
 --
 
 Avi Nehori
 
 He was a fiddler, and consequently a rogue.
 -- Jonathon Swift

-- 

Avi Nehori

Power is the finest token of affection.

boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
vga=normal
default=lin
keytable=/boot/us.klt
prompt
timeout=50
message=/boot/message
image=/boot/vmlinuz
label=lin
root=/dev/hda5
append=""
read-only
other=/dev/hdb1
  label=win
  table=/dev/hdb
  map-drive=0x80
  to=0x81
  map-drive=0x81
  to=0x80




Re: Re: [newbie] CRC error attempting to install Mdk 7.2

2000-12-06 Thread mdw1982

Thank you Civileme...although I didn't understand everything
you said I did get the jist of your response. I'm burning
another disk this morning of the "inst" ISO and I'm hoping
that "what you described" isn't repeated on the second disk.

Mark


From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:00:07 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] CRC error attempting to install Mdk 7.2

On Wednesday 06 December 2000 01:11, you wrote:
 This evening I finally broke down cause my curiosity has
gotten the better
 of me. I Burned the Mandrake 7.2 Cd's and got read to
install it so I
 could see if I like it any better than 7.1.

 Whether I'm booting from the CD, or from a floppy I get
the same error
 when the kernel start uncompressing.

 CRC error

 --   System Halted

 Has anyone else seen this error when attempting to
install 7.2. This, my
 home machine is an AMD K6 233, and the one at work, which
gave me the
 error is a Celeron 500. I've got Mandrake 7.1 running on
both machines
 with no troubles. I know...if it ain't broke don't fix
it...but I just
 wanna see what it looks like. I've got full backups on
both machine in
 case the whole thing goes south I can be back up in 30
minutes.

 thanks in advance,


It isn't quite clear from your description where the CRC
error comes in.

CRC check characters are generated by shifting the data
through a hardware
shift register with feedback loops that essentialy divide
or multiply it by a
polynomial, a special one that can generate all the
elements in a field of 4
billion unique elements, and by appending this to the data
stream.
Supposedly, the receiving hardware duplicates the action.
It is not very
likely that two 512 bit data streams differing by one or
two bits will
generate the same CRC (what is left in the register after the
multiplication).

If this is happening when you are trying to boot the
install kernel, then I
would ask if you used MD5sum on the isos downloaded.  And,
was the floppy
written  from the CD you burned or taken from a downloaded
image?  It is
possible that there is enouigh eccentricity between the
burner and the CD
reader that a CRC error could occur, and if the floppy was
prepared from a
read of the CD, then the error could propagate unchecked
because floppies are
a little too inexpensive to have CRC circuitry and just
store what they get.


If this is happening after the install, it is likely the
death knell of a WD
disk (which blows off the CRC).  If it is happening at the
install, I would
say you have a coaster.

Civileme







Re: [newbie] MDK72/CUPS-Paralel port problem

2000-12-06 Thread Till Kamppeter

Check your /etc/modules.conf file. It should contain

   alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
   pre-install plip modprobe parport_pc ; echo 7  /proc/parport/0/irq

Add the lines if they are missing and give the command

   depmod -a

Now the modules for the parallel port are loaded automatically as soon
as one tries to access the parallel
port.   

KDE 2 seems to have a problem in the system info program, the IRQ for
the parallel port is not listed even when I am printing.

In general

   modprobe parport_pc

loads the modules for the parallel port.

   Till


Jancs wrote:
 
 i installed CUPS service ans survey showed that i do not have parallel port
 initialized - i cant add printers etc.
 
 The strange fact is that during the install of MDK72 it is possible to
 print the test page, but, alas, it is the first and the last time when the
 printing is possible...
 
 - KDE2 device info says, that IRQ7 is not used... (in BIOS LPT1 is set to
 IRQ7, ECP/EPP, std port nuber (378H (?)).
 - etc/modules is empty
 - modprobe parport_probe says that module not found... (but the file .o
 exists!)





RE: [newbie] Resolving resource conflicts in Mandrake 7.2 complete

2000-12-06 Thread Abraham Pinzur


 In most computers IRQ allocation on PCI cards is SLOT dependant.

My Award BIOS lets me manually set the IRQ assigned to each slot.

- Av -

--
Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jose M. Sanchez
 Sent: Wednesday, 06 December, 2000 02:34
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [newbie] Resolving resource conflicts in Mandrake 7.2
 complete



 In most computers IRQ allocation on PCI cards is SLOT dependant.

 I'm sure a few people here will think otherwise, but it's true.

 You can change the IRQ both cards will use, but the change will occur in
 unison... I.E. both will go to 10 at the same time, etc.

 What you need to do, is move one of the cards to another PCI card slot.

 Some vendors now provide "maps" of the IRQ allocations on a per slot
 basis...

 I wish they all would to clarify things for a lot of people...

 For example the AGP slot and the first slot (closest to the AGP slot)
 normally share the same IRQ no matter what you do.

 Slot two w/slot 5, etc... actual hardware may vary...

 -JMS

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Lee
 Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 2:27 PM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: [newbie] Resolving resource conflicts in Mandrake 7.2 complete


 Hi,

 I'm new to the list and have a question regarding resource conflicts in
 Mandrake 7.2 Complete.

 I have a system that I built, to act as a gateway/firewall for my cable
 modem. The components are as follows :

 ASUS P5A B motherboard with 1010 Bios version
 64MB PC 100 RAM
 Diamond Viper 550 PCI video
 Creative 24X IDE CD ROM
 Creative SB 16 ISA card
 2 x 3COM 3c509B TX PCI NIC cards

 My problem is that when I look in DrakConf at the NIC properties there are
 Splat marks (!) on both NIC cards. A look at the properties reveals that
 both cards are attempting to use the same memory resources (both
 are set to
 use IRQ9). The change resources button is grayed out so it
 doesn't look like
 I can set the properties (or test different resources) here.

 I'm guessing that I need to change something in the BIOS. Does anyone have
 any suggestions on the best way to get round this problem ?

 Thanks, in advance,

 Mark Lee







RE: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread Abraham Pinzur


John -

It sounds to me like KMail should fit your needs as far as a mail reader is
concerned.

- Av -

--
Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 John Rye
 Sent: Wednesday, 06 December, 2000 07:29
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???


 Mark Weaver wrote:
 
  O my...it's looking like I'm going to have to decypher the man pages on
  this one. Crap! it's going to be a long weekend with a headache again.
 
  but thanks John for the reply. And by the way...I've been wondering
  about this...how come so many re-installs?

 Mostly - it's called - 'Oh darn it - that's fuxed it!!

 I get myself into a position from which I can't recover and due to
 our wide time differences it's easier to re-install and recover from
 backups, normally around 1 to 2 hours.

 It's hell waiting for the rest of the world to wake up, this usually
 happens during my evening when all you guys in Gore County are wide
 asleep!! (Big silly grin!!).

 I have to admit that I genuinely believe that I'm winning this battle
 as it it's Thursday AM right now and the last re-install was on 24th
 November. Overall I'm pleased with what I'm learning here without
 hassling with trying to keep up with the Jones's as far as distribution
 levels go.

 At this point I'm about ready to start planing a shift of mailing
 systems
 away from Netscape. It serves well but I haven't yet found a way to get
 Netscape to pick up all mail from all email accounts in one fell swoop -
 I have 5 accounts which I monitor!!

 When I used windows I had a bunch of batch files which switched the Ns
 preferences on the fly, but so far haven't sorted my thoughts on how
 to do it with Linux - I assume that I have to do some messing about
 with fetchmail, sendmail, postfix. But I have a fair bit of reading
 to do yet.

 It's coming - but any and all suggestions are welcome with the proviso
 that my preference is toward a GUI mailing proggy with threading. The
 reason for this quite simple - my vision is failing and it's easier to
 mess with fonts and colours in the GUI's.

 Cheers

 John
 --
 ICQ#: 89345394Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected"
 (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)







Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread bpremeaux

Mark,

A search of www.linuxsecurity.com turned up the following link for installing
Tripwire:

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-1_3.pdf

Hope that helps.

Barry :-)


On Tue, 05 December 2000, Mark Weaver wrote:

 
 Ok...I was really intrigued by the mention of a program called Tripwire
 here on the list, so I went out and found it; downloaded the binary
 tarball and installed it on my system. Now, I've got it and I don't have a
 clue as how to use it. I need to find some documentation that will at
 least "hint" how this thing is started, and then maintained. What docs
 came with it amount to a README file, and some short snippets of info that
 aren't any help at all.
 
 Of course there are some man pages, but at times they can be no help at
 all, but a great source of frustration.
 
 Can anyone suggest some where a fella could get some docs to tell me how
 to get started with this package?
 
 thanks,
 
 -- 
 Mark
 
 / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
   * in order to get the rats up from below decks
   * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
   *
   *REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
   */
 
 *REPLY SEPERATOR*



Surfree.com - nationwide internet access
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[newbie] Library Paths needed during install

2000-12-06 Thread root

I'm installing some software that gives the error "libexpect5.28.so is
needed by...".
I know that it is looking for Expect v 5.28. I have Expect 5.31
installed. I have even tried creating a symbolic link using the name
that the software is looking fordoesn't work. :-(

How can I find out which library_path the RPM software is looking for?
And how/where do I globally set it?

Roger




Re: [newbie] idebus

2000-12-06 Thread civileme

On Wednesday 06 December 2000 03:46, you wrote:
 Hi all. Wondering if anyone knows what 'idebus' is and if there are any
 settings for this. I'm using Mandrake 7.1, and upon boot, there is a line
 that reads : ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override
 with idebus=66. My ASUS board is a P5SB with an AMD K6-2/400 and 192 meg
 ram. Isn't this a 100 MHz board? Would this be causing my system to run
 slower than I feel it should? I don't feel that I'm getting anywhere near
 the performance I should be getting.

 Thanks for your consideration...

There are several buses on the board.  The Front Side Bus handles memory and 
processor, and bridges to PCI and possibly ISA buses.  That Front Side Bus is 
the one you hear so miuch about--The PCI bus runs nominally at 33MHz and the 
ISA Bus somewhere close to 8MHz.  PCI is short for peripheral connect 
Interface, and ISA is short for Industry Standard Architecture, which is a 
dying standard.

The IDE bus is for disk drives with Integrated Drive Electronics.  It runs at 
several speeds and modes, depending on the technoilogy of the drives attached 
AND the capabilities of the motherboard.  A 66MHz IDE bus is relatively new, 
though the 33MHz bus has been with us since 1998.  There is little to show 
for the extra speed, and the special connecting cables except an occasional 
burst mode transfer speed increase, despite all the advertising hype.  The 
true value of the bus and the architecture is that it deviated from 
programmed input/output (where the processor had to intervene in reads and 
writes) to Direct Memory Access (where the processor is interrupted when the 
transfer is complete)

If this is really slow, there are several things that might be happening

In a terminal type 

free

and see how much memory is being used.  It should show how much the system 
recognizes and how much is free (don't expect much to be free, linux believes 
unused memory is wasted memory, and memory accesses/caches are a LOT faster 
than disk).  If it shows 64M, then you need to add this to /etc/lilo.conf in 
the paragraph with label=linux

append="mem=183m"  

192 might be OK, but that number I gave you won't cause a lock-up if you have 
built-in AGP sharing part of your memory, which the SiS530 Chipset does use.

You will experience considerable speed increase by disabling the on-board AGP 
and adding a separate video card, except it would have to be PCI.  An ancient 
Voodoo II PCI accelerator board with the 3dfx linux drivers would also 
probably improve the situation (you plug it in, put your video output to it 
then take its video out to your monitor.)  XFree-4.01 does NOT provide 
accelerated support for the 530, so XFree86-3.3.6 is a better bet because it 
provides acceleration in 16 bit color depth for the 530.

I have used three 530-based computers.  None were speed demons, but none ever 
had a hiccup, and one of them ran 213 days between power failure caused 
reboots.

Civileme



 --
 Glenn Johnson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Registered Linux user #175132
 Powered by Linux-Mandrake 7.1




[newbie] Cron has gone mad !

2000-12-06 Thread Renaud OLGIATI

I have a cron job that (should) run every morning at 01.00 to run slocate,
to update the locate database.

For now two days, I have found my machine impossible to use, when I begin
at 06.00; constant HD activity, and everything taking ages to happen.

So I ctrl-alt-f1ed to the console, did a ps -a and found I have about fifty
or sixty pids for crond and slocate ! 

no wonder it was busy.

Any idea where this may come from ?

All worked well up to three days ago, the time/date is corect, and I'm
running out of ideas.

TIA,

Cheers,

Ron the Frog, on the banks of the Paraguay River.
 -- 
 
   Profund and/or witty statement goes here.
 
  ---  http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati  ---
 




[newbie] Need Pub.Domain copy of 'make'

2000-12-06 Thread Ellenbecker, Larry

Hi,

Can anyone tell me where I can get a public domain copy of 'make'.  
Thankx.

Larry





[newbie] Best Web Browser

2000-12-06 Thread Sven Heinicke


I know people who like Opera, but while I think the beta versions are
free I don't think the stable versions are.

Amaya is still a little unstable, and last I checked Mnemonic wasn't
quite ready either.  I don't know about the other browsers X11 on
freshmeat.

Mike Riffle writes:
  After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering...
  
  What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there
  seems to be quite a number available.
  




Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 7.2 on Compaq Armada 1750

2000-12-06 Thread CMC

Hi Richard, I''ll be monitoring the responses on your topic because I'm
having problems installing MD 7.2 on a 1510 Compaq. The models are
different, but the being that they are of the Armada series. I'm interested
to know what you did to get the install going. I cant seem to get the compaq
to boot from the cd, it always seem to bypass the cd ackknowledgement and go
right into the NT start up.

Any comments appreciated





RE: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread Dickman, Jeff

Can you feel the love?

-JD-

-Original Message-
From: Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list


Roger Sherman wrote:
 
 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jay wrote:
 
 
Without sounding too harsh...What the hell is a registered Linux
User
anyway?
  
   A linux user who is registered.
 
  Obviously, but where does one go to be a r.l.u.?
 
 http://counter.li.org/
 
 But why would you care if it seems so bourgouis?
 
 
And does anybody really care about that?
  
   If one had taste and class, perhaps...
 
  I wouldn't call it a matter of taste and class.
 
 Oh for christs sake...next time I wont forget the smiley.
 
  Maybe to you it is,
 but
  most people could care less what a r.l.u. is.  I don't...as long as you
  use Linux, who cares if you are registered.  That sounds so much like
  control to me.  Registration = Control.  Food for thought.
 
 You, my friend, are too tightly wrapped. I have it in my sig because it
 amuses me, nothing more, nothing less. I registered myself, and my
 machine, for the purpose of helping to put a concrete number on the amount
 of linux users there are. Lighten up. Go have a donut, think about a hot
 chick for a minute, play pacman, do whatever it is you do to
 relax. LOL...registration is control. Who was I trying to control with my
 sig file? Other than those with the pavlovian urge to bust balls over a
 sig file...
 
 
 
 --
 
 peace,
 
 Rog
 
 http://www.slammingrooves.com
 Registered Linux user #190719

I am pretty tightly wound, aren't I?  I realize that you meant this as
sarcasm, but you got to realize that sarcasm is different on "paper".  I
am a VERY sarcastic person, but sarcasm only really works via the spoken
word.  

I remember once on this list when a Brit busted me over my sig.  So I
know how you feel, my apologies.  Let's shake and make up...or we can
fight to the death :)
-- 
Jay
~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~
http://www.mrsnooky.com




RE: [newbie] window manager/single click

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Johnson

no, you didn't prove anything, it still doesn't mean the "linux way" it just
means the XFCE way...
Better, the "linux way" is the "configurable way" which is what WM are all
about...

-Original Message-
From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] window manager/single click


On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ian Land wrote:

I accidentally forgot to delete this mail in the gates gets linux thread,
so I saw that the title was far away from the text.
In XFCE there's a simple setting to use a 1 click to call up a program.
And XFCE is not KDE, so hereby I prove that the below sentence is not
true.   :p

Paul

Well, that's only true if you use a window manager like KDE. Others, like
Gnome, use double-clicks. So, a single-click is not "the Linux way". The
Windows gui can be configured to act like Internet Explorer, which also
means
single-clicks. This isn't an OS question, it's a gui question.

 One of the "bad habits" is having to double-click
 when a single click will do.  For those of us
 who use both OS's it's quite distracting, and I
 think the Linux way makes more sense.

-- 
A committee is a group that keeps minutes and loses hours.
-Milton Berle

http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30





[newbie] window manager/single click

2000-12-06 Thread Paul

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ian Land wrote:

I accidentally forgot to delete this mail in the gates gets linux thread,
so I saw that the title was far away from the text.
In XFCE there's a simple setting to use a 1 click to call up a program.
And XFCE is not KDE, so hereby I prove that the below sentence is not
true.   :p

Paul

Well, that's only true if you use a window manager like KDE. Others, like
Gnome, use double-clicks. So, a single-click is not "the Linux way". The
Windows gui can be configured to act like Internet Explorer, which also means
single-clicks. This isn't an OS question, it's a gui question.

 One of the "bad habits" is having to double-click
 when a single click will do.  For those of us
 who use both OS's it's quite distracting, and I
 think the Linux way makes more sense.

-- 
A committee is a group that keeps minutes and loses hours.
-Milton Berle

http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30





RE: [newbie] pcmcia thwarting install and run -- can disable?

2000-12-06 Thread Spoonman

While I've never tried to install Linux on a Casio, I would see if PCMCIA
can be disabled in the BIOS.

Spoonman

--Original Message--
From: "Chong-dong Jung" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 6, 2000 10:01:33 PM GMT
Subject: [newbie] pcmcia thwarting install and run -- can disable?


I have a casio fiva subnotebook and I tried installing Redhat 7.0
and Mandrake without much success.

Mandrake starts installing until it scans the PCMCIA, then it hangs.

Redhat installs completely.  Then once it starts to load, upon
checking the pcmcia it spews out a lot of garble and stops loading.
It asks me to repair it ... but... ^_^

My question.. is there a way of disabling pcmcia on linux install or
run?

Has anyone ever install linux on a Casio fiva?

thanks...
_
Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Wishdiak
+Ferris Saves+
www.wishdiak.com





[newbie] Supermount Samba FS ?

2000-12-06 Thread Renaud OLGIATI

I have read in vain man supermount and man fstab, and find no mention of
how to use supermount in /etc/fstab.

Can it be used to auto-mount the devices on a w**95 box through Samba ?

Up to now, I have had to open Konsole, su and mount, and would like to
simplify local network access.

Tahnks for any pointers,

Cheers,

Ron the Frog, sweating on the sunny banks of the Paraguay River.
 -- 
 
   Never call a man a fool.  Borrow from him.
 
  ---  http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati  ---
 




Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser

2000-12-06 Thread Jon Doe

On Wednesday 06 December 2000 06:30 pm, you wrote:
 On Wednesday 06 December 2000 02:44 pm, you wrote:
  I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the
  same for Linux!

 Opera for Windows is not free, not the stable release version anyhow. I
 believe they plan to charge for the Linux stable version also.

I stand corrected, version 5.0 is free for windows, but its the dreaded 
ad-supported spyware version. $39.95 if you don't want to see the ads or be 
spyed on by the ads.




Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser

2000-12-06 Thread Jon Doe

On Wednesday 06 December 2000 02:44 pm, you wrote:
 I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the same
 for Linux!


Opera for Windows is not free, not the stable release version anyhow. I 
believe they plan to charge for the Linux stable version also.

-- 
Registered Linux User 181996
ICQ 27396393




Re: [newbie] replacement.

2000-12-06 Thread s

Which version is the beta.  I just found out that my CDs have some files 
missing also, like: rdate.
-s

On Wed, 06 Dec 2000, you wrote:

  I have heard that Mandrake is offering to replace for free any of the
 versions that came with beta KDE.Can someone please tell me where to go to
 take them up on there offer?


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Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread John Rye

Abraham Pinzur wrote:
 John -
 It sounds to me like KMail should fit your needs as far as a mail reader is
 concerned.

Thanks for the suggestion - I looked at kmail early on - when for
reasons
I couldn't fatham, it kept bombing out.

Bear in mind I'm still using 7.0. I'll take another look - I seem
to recall that it's been updated recently.

Cheers

John
-- 
ICQ#: 89345394  Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected"
(The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)




Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread Roger Sherman

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jay wrote:

 Roger Sherman wrote:
  

  
  You, my friend, are too tightly wrapped. I have it in my sig because it
  amuses me, nothing more, nothing less. I registered myself, and my
  machine, for the purpose of helping to put a concrete number on the amount
  of linux users there are. Lighten up. Go have a donut, think about a hot
  chick for a minute, play pacman, do whatever it is you do to
  relax. LOL...registration is control. Who was I trying to control with my
  sig file? Other than those with the pavlovian urge to bust balls over a
  sig file...
  
  
  
 
 I am pretty tightly wound, aren't I?  I realize that you meant this as
 sarcasm, but you got to realize that sarcasm is different on "paper".  I
 am a VERY sarcastic person, but sarcasm only really works via the spoken
 word.  
 
 I remember once on this list when a Brit busted me over my sig.  So I
 know how you feel, my apologies.  Let's shake and make up...or we can
 fight to the death :)
 

Sounds good to me...either way! ;-) No apology necessary, of course...


-- 

peace,

Rog

http://www.slammingrooves.com
Registered Linux user #190719





Re: [newbie] idebus

2000-12-06 Thread Glenn Johnson

Hi Ronald. First off, let me thank you for you swift reply to my cries for help.  I
was looking in the LILO docs but found nothing pertaining to IDEBUS, although I
thought that lilo.conf might be where just such a comment would go. I will give it a
try right away and advise of any noticable changes in system performance.  As for
hdparm, yes, I've played with that one quite a bit. My HDA is a WD 20 gig at 7200
rpm. Only Windows on that drive. I saw no changes in performance there. The HDB
drive (WD 3.2 gig at 5400 rpm) did show a modest increase in performance, however, I
am currently not using that feature. Maybe I'll set HDB again with hdparm, combine
it with the IDEBUS comment, and see what happens. Thanks again Ronald!!!

--
Glenn Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered Linux user #175132
Powered by Linux-Mandrake 7.1







Re: [newbie] Supermount Samba FS ?

2000-12-06 Thread Barry Premeaux

Here is the supermount configuration I have.

  /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0
  /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0

I had to turn it off when I needed to format some floppies and
when I wanted to create a Emergency Boot disk.  You will have to
go 'su' to do it.

  supermount disable (to turn it off)
  supermount enable  (to turn it back on)

Barry :-)



Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
 
 I have read in vain man supermount and man fstab, and find no mention of
 how to use supermount in /etc/fstab.
 
 Can it be used to auto-mount the devices on a w**95 box through Samba ?
 
 Up to now, I have had to open Konsole, su and mount, and would like to
 simplify local network access.
 
 Tahnks for any pointers,
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ron the Frog, sweating on the sunny banks of the Paraguay River.
  --
 
Never call a man a fool.  Borrow from him.
 
   ---  http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati  ---





[newbie] kde.themes.org - Download Object-thememanager

2000-12-06 Thread Marcia

Dear All, Here is the link for the thememanager for KDE. I hope this
works:http://kde.themes.org/php/download.phtml?object=warehouse.download.51rev=0.8/tar.gz

 If anyone downloads this and finds that it works well please let us
know. Thank you, Marcia




Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-06 Thread Romanator

Tom Brinkman wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 05 December 2000 05:34 pm, Romanator wrote:
  Hey Tom,
 
  Is it true about hardware providers paying fees to M$ so that Windows
  supports or approves their hardware? In other words, no fee - no
  drivers. Have you ever heard about this? I just wanted to clear that
  up.
 
  I have no idea, and I've never heard that.
 --
 Tom Brinkman   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay

I spoke with other programmers/chip designers and it appears that a fee
must be paid out to have your hardware MS approved. That is, if you want
to have the drivers included and supported by the operating system.




Re: [newbie] InstallShield

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Weaver

Geez! I wish I would-a had one of those fancy install thing-a-ma-bobs this
afternoon when an install attempt of Mandrake 7.2 wiped out my entire
friggin workstation! Who's the nit wit responsible for so drastically
changing the install program and process?

When, during the first install, a few too many errors cause major problems
with running the system after a rebooted, I restarted the install process.
Sadly I didn't recognize what was happening till it was too late. The
installation program, on it's own started an auto-install and in under 5
seconds wiped my entire workstations hard drive. 10 friggin GB's of
data...GONE!

Never before in my life have a ever seen a program behave in such a
severely BAD manner. It didn't ask me what I wanted; I, of course wanted
to do an expert install where I have total control of everything that goes
on. There's a certain way I want the OS installed for certain reasons.

In a nut shell when I booted the system with the floppy that I used to
boot the system the first time which went off without a hitch, the rotten
bastard went straight into an auto-install.

Mandrake, when you can make a mess of an experienced users machine like
this I think it's time to take a look at a lesson that I again learned the
hardway. If it isn't friggin broken...DON'T FRIGGIN TRY AND FIX IT. LEAVE
things as they were when they WORKED!

I'm refering to the installation process. A few KEY things were changed
and just enough to cause a moments confusion which cost this user 10GB of
data. Most is backed up on the servers, but there were still some things
that I hadn't gotten to. Now I'm going to have to go back and RE-do the
things that didn't get sent up to the server...not to mention I've got one
HELL of a fight on my hands getting that beast backup.

Thank you to the list for allowing me this chance to vent. It's pretty
much final that 7.2 will NOT make it to my home PC. KDE2  Koffice or not.
Mandrake 7.2 is one Penguin that is going to be sanctioned with extreme
prejudice!

Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

*REPLY SEPERATOR*

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 R Edward McCain had this to say!

 Didn't someone just mention that Linux needed a universal installer?

 #

 SCHAUMBURG, Ill., December 4, 2000 -- InstallShield®
Software Corp., the leader in Internet-ready software
installation and distribution solutions, today announced a
major advancement for software developers targeting IBM and
other platforms.

Immediately available are three new InstallShield® Multi-
Platform Edition products: InstallShield Express--Multi-
Platform Edition, InstallShield Professional--Multi-Platform
Edition, and InstallShield Enterprise--Multi-Platform
Edition.

 #

 --

 R. Edward McCain
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 icq: 599146
 Registered Linux User #196613







RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser

2000-12-06 Thread Roger Sherman

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Kelly, Christopher wrote:

 I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the same
 for Linux!
 

Opera 5 is free? Wow...almost makes me wish I still had a use for surfing
in Windont...


 -Original Message-
 From: Sven Heinicke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:16 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] Best Web Browser
 
 
 
 I know people who like Opera, but while I think the beta versions are
 free I don't think the stable versions are.
 
 Amaya is still a little unstable, and last I checked Mnemonic wasn't
 quite ready either.  I don't know about the other browsers X11 on
 freshmeat.
 
 Mike Riffle writes:
   After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering...
   
   What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there
   seems to be quite a number available.
   
 
 
 

-- 

peace,

Rog

http://www.slammingrooves.com
Registered Linux user #190719





RE: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Weaver

Yes...Av is right. Kmail will do the GUI thing for you and also access
multiple accounts with the lowest level of hankering with lots of
under-the-covers programs running like fetchmail/sendmail/postfix. As far
as Postfix and Sendmail go, it's one or the other cause they do NOT get
along or play well together at all. Sendmail is far more robust then
Postfix. Both can be configured from the Webmin interface.

I've got Sendmail sending and receiving mail on my machine now and it
works fawlessly for me. No fuss...no muss.

Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

*REPLY SEPERATOR*

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 Abraham Pinzur had this to say!


 John -

 It sounds to me like KMail should fit your needs as far as a mail reader is
 concerned.

 - Av -

 --
 Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  John Rye
  Sent: Wednesday, 06 December, 2000 07:29
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???
 
 
  Mark Weaver wrote:
  
   O my...it's looking like I'm going to have to decypher the man pages on
   this one. Crap! it's going to be a long weekend with a headache again.
  
   but thanks John for the reply. And by the way...I've been wondering
   about this...how come so many re-installs?
 
  Mostly - it's called - 'Oh darn it - that's fuxed it!!
 
  I get myself into a position from which I can't recover and due to
  our wide time differences it's easier to re-install and recover from
  backups, normally around 1 to 2 hours.
 
  It's hell waiting for the rest of the world to wake up, this usually
  happens during my evening when all you guys in Gore County are wide
  asleep!! (Big silly grin!!).
 
  I have to admit that I genuinely believe that I'm winning this battle
  as it it's Thursday AM right now and the last re-install was on 24th
  November. Overall I'm pleased with what I'm learning here without
  hassling with trying to keep up with the Jones's as far as distribution
  levels go.
 
  At this point I'm about ready to start planing a shift of mailing
  systems
  away from Netscape. It serves well but I haven't yet found a way to get
  Netscape to pick up all mail from all email accounts in one fell swoop -
  I have 5 accounts which I monitor!!
 
  When I used windows I had a bunch of batch files which switched the Ns
  preferences on the fly, but so far haven't sorted my thoughts on how
  to do it with Linux - I assume that I have to do some messing about
  with fetchmail, sendmail, postfix. But I have a fair bit of reading
  to do yet.
 
  It's coming - but any and all suggestions are welcome with the proviso
  that my preference is toward a GUI mailing proggy with threading. The
  reason for this quite simple - my vision is failing and it's easier to
  mess with fonts and colours in the GUI's.
 
  Cheers
 
  John
  --
  ICQ#: 89345394  Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected"
  (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)
 
 







Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread Mark Weaver

Thanks Barry. I found that one last night and was there checking things
out. I didn't have any trouble getting it installed after untarring
everything. Its getting it started that I'm having trouble with. The man
pages are a little less then helpful at this unless I'm missing something.

Mark
###
## ...it's not a bug, it's a feature
## Registered Linux User # 182496
##  !-- Pine 4.30 --
#


On 6 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] had this to say!

 Mark,

 A search of www.linuxsecurity.com turned up the following link for installing
 Tripwire:

 http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-1_3.pdf

 Hope that helps.

 Barry :-)


 On Tue, 05 December 2000, Mark Weaver wrote:

 
  Ok...I was really intrigued by the mention of a program called Tripwire
  here on the list, so I went out and found it; downloaded the binary
  tarball and installed it on my system. Now, I've got it and I don't have a
  clue as how to use it. I need to find some documentation that will at
  least "hint" how this thing is started, and then maintained. What docs
  came with it amount to a README file, and some short snippets of info that
  aren't any help at all.
 
  Of course there are some man pages, but at times they can be no help at
  all, but a great source of frustration.
 
  Can anyone suggest some where a fella could get some docs to tell me how
  to get started with this package?
 
  thanks,
 
  --
  Mark
 
  / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
* in order to get the rats up from below decks
* so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
*
*REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
*/
 
  *REPLY SEPERATOR*


 
 Surfree.com - nationwide internet access
 http://www.surfree.com






RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser

2000-12-06 Thread Adam Many

I like Konqueror more than Linux Opera.  Konqueror is much faster at
loading text, and slightly faster (when timed with my stopwatch) at
loading complete web pages.  Konqueror also has better cookie control.

Adam

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Roger Sherman wrote:

 On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Kelly, Christopher wrote:
 
  I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the same
  for Linux!
  
 
 Opera 5 is free? Wow...almost makes me wish I still had a use for surfing
 in Windont...
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Sven Heinicke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:16 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [newbie] Best Web Browser
  
  
  
  I know people who like Opera, but while I think the beta versions are
  free I don't think the stable versions are.
  
  Amaya is still a little unstable, and last I checked Mnemonic wasn't
  quite ready either.  I don't know about the other browsers X11 on
  freshmeat.
  
  Mike Riffle writes:
After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering...

What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there
seems to be quite a number available.

  
  
  
 
 -- 
 
 peace,
 
 Rog
 
 http://www.slammingrooves.com
 Registered Linux user #190719
 
 





Re: [newbie] KDE 2.0 Themes and Sound

2000-12-06 Thread Marcia

Dear All, Thank you for explaining how to untar the thememanager. I did
find the files that install and they do not give me a clue what to do.
If any of you download this and install will you please help me step by
step? The download page for the thememanager tarball is
http://kde.themes.org/php/download.phtml?object=warehouse.download.51rev=0.8/tar.gz

Thank you, Marcia




Re: [newbie] KDE 2.0 Themes and Sound

2000-12-06 Thread Jon Doe

On Wednesday 06 December 2000 02:58 pm, you wrote:
 Dear All, Thank you for explaining how to untar the thememanager. I did
 find the files that install and they do not give me a clue what to do.
 If any of you download this and install will you please help me step by
 step? The download page for the thememanager tarball is
 http://kde.themes.org/php/download.phtml?object=warehouse.download.51rev=0
.8/tar.gz

 Thank you, Marcia

Well I can't install it, I get an error message that says can't install small 
KDE programs, check to make sure kde header files are installed. 

-- 
Registered Linux User 181996
ICQ 27396393




Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread Tim Faehnle

I can't believe people are still replying to a post that started off with
"how do I get off this list?"  It's funny.  Now I'm extending it. heheh

Tim
- Original Message -
From: "R Edward McCain" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list


 On Wed, 06 Dec 2000, you wrote:
  I remember once on this list when a Brit busted me over my sig.  So I

 Give Ireland back to the Irish.
 --

 R. Edward McCain
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 icq: 599146
 Registered Linux User #196613







[newbie] dhcp failure

2000-12-06 Thread Christopher I Trojan

Hey folks, 

I'm trying to install a cable ethernet connection on linux-mandrake 7.2
(CD complete that I bought at CompUSA). Only trouble is, I can't get the
dhcp daemon to find an ip address at aurora startup, and furthermore, I
can't get DrakeConfig to connect to the netwok either- it says it is
restarting network connection eth0, but then it still doesn't work. Any
known problems with the dhcp daemon?  Any suggestions?
P.S. my network card is DEC 2x something or another, and it is listed as
compatible.  It uses the DEC tulip driver, which linux says is installed.

Thanks a lot,

Chris Trojan





Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread Shayne Schecht

There was a question as to why the soundcard would not play MIDI files .. I 
found out why.

It seems as there is a hardware IRQ conflict with Soundblaster Live cards 
and the USB stuff under Mandrake 7.2.
It is also very hard to get my scanner and webcam to work correctly...

This stuff has not been fixable so guess what ...

Back to RedHat ... 





Re: [newbie] Tripwire documentation???

2000-12-06 Thread John Rye

Mark Weaver wrote:
 
 Yes...Av is right. Kmail will do the GUI thing for you and also access
 multiple accounts with the lowest level of hankering with lots of
 under-the-covers programs running like fetchmail/sendmail/postfix. As far
 as Postfix and Sendmail go, it's one or the other cause they do NOT get
 along or play well together at all. Sendmail is far more robust then
 Postfix. Both can be configured from the Webmin interface.

Yup recognised that - missed an 'or' out grin
 
 I've got Sendmail sending and receiving mail on my machine now and it
 works fawlessly for me. No fuss...no muss.

But you use pine and a text interface - I've looked at pine and like
what I see - however the problem is text sizes and colours - I tried
messing with different char sizes for the video card and that was the
reason for some of the 'Oh Darn - that fuxed it!' re-installs.

I just went and looked at the Kmail homepage - seems it REQUIRES KDE2,
watching the list says that I should leave it alone for the time being -
I don't really want to waste bandwidth trying to get it downloaded.

I have a very unreliable landline connection, example of average d/l
speeds was that for Staroffice 5.2 - (11 files of about 10meg each),
took almost 20 hours to d/l! That costs!! Premium!!

Everything I've looked at so far - Pronto, Mahogany, Balsa et al has
some endearing features, but none actually approximate what I'm looking
for, which is as near as dammit to Eudora. Pity that Qualcomm haven't
seen fit so far to consider the Linux platform even as a binary.

Cheers

-- 
ICQ#: 89345394  Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected"
(The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)





Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-06 Thread David Grubb

I was under the impression that the fee was paid in order for the manufacturer to put 
an MS logo on their product saying "Yes it will work with MS crap". Even if it doesn't 
have the "MS Approved" propaganda plastered across the box, as long as the company 
provides drivers in some form, the product should still (theoretically) work on any OS 
that the drivers are written for.

Got me thinking (don't know how accurate/realistic this is) - 
Manf A pays fee to MS - MS includes drivers in their OS but excludes from others
Manf B flips bird at MS - writes their own drivers (for various OSs) and supplies 
them with product

If the above is accurate, wouldn't it be more cost-effective for manufacturers to 
supply drivers straight to the end-user, rather than paying MS to deliver them through 
costly OSs? Not only would MS get less money, but HW manufacturers may gain revenue 
from users purchasing a product that will work for them on whatever platform they want 
to use.

I'm sure there are many sound reasonings (financial and otherwise) why companies opt 
for the MS way of doing things - but it doesn't really make any sense to me

Apologies for the drivel just waiting on that next hit of caffeine



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07 12:29 am 
Tom Brinkman wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 05 December 2000 05:34 pm, Romanator wrote:
  Hey Tom,
 
  Is it true about hardware providers paying fees to M$ so that Windows
  supports or approves their hardware? In other words, no fee - no
  drivers. Have you ever heard about this? I just wanted to clear that
  up.
 
  I have no idea, and I've never heard that.
 --
 Tom Brinkman   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay

I spoke with other programmers/chip designers and it appears that a fee
must be paid out to have your hardware MS approved. That is, if you want
to have the drivers included and supported by the operating system.






Re: [newbie] InstallShield

2000-12-06 Thread R Edward McCain

On Wed, 06 Dec 2000, you wrote:
[...]
 When, during the first install, a few too many errors cause major problems
 with running the system after a rebooted, I restarted the install process.
 Sadly I didn't recognize what was happening till it was too late. The
 installation program, on it's own started an auto-install and in under 5
 seconds wiped my entire workstations hard drive. 10 friggin GB's of
 data...GONE!
[...]

er, hrm.
Linux have anything like the 'fdisk /mbr' command incase I do something like 
this?
-- 

R. Edward McCain
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
icq: 599146
Registered Linux User #196613





[newbie] LM 7.2 Xircom PCMCIA 56k

2000-12-06 Thread Spoonman

I might have asked this before on this list, but it seems like I can't get
higher than 33.6 from my Xircom PCMCIA modem. I think I even tried changing
the init string a few times. Any other ideas?

Spoonman

Wishdiak
+Ferris Saves+
www.wishdiak.com





Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 7.2 on Compaq Armada 1750

2000-12-06 Thread Richard F. Galaz

Hello,

Thanks for the reply.  I have used DrakeConf, but the sound card does not 
show up. Everything shows up, but the sound card.  As far as I can tell, 
there doesn't seem to be a resource conflict.  I finally figured out what 
sound card I'm using on my laptop.  It is a ESS 1869-1879.  This type of 
sound card is supported by linux, right? If this is the case, how would I 
be able to enable the sound?  I haven't really found any useful documentation.

Thanks,
Richard

At 02:01 PM 12/6/2000 +0530, you wrote:
Please use DrakeConf as the root user. It has tools for configuing
sound. Click on the configure sound and follow the instructions. These
tools are found only if u r using Xwindow systed





Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 7.2 on Compaq Armada 1750

2000-12-06 Thread Richard F. Galaz

At 11:48 AM 12/6/2000 -0500, you wrote:
Hi Richard, I''ll be monitoring the responses on your topic because I'm
having problems installing MD 7.2 on a 1510 Compaq. The models are
different, but the being that they are of the Armada series. I'm interested
to know what you did to get the install going. I cant seem to get the compaq
to boot from the cd, it always seem to bypass the cd ackknowledgement and go
right into the NT start up.

Any comments appreciated


I didn't have any problems with booting off the cd-rom.  I haven't been 
following the threads on your problem, so forgive me if I repeat some 
questions.  I did have Windows 2000 installed on the laptop, but I didn't 
encounter any problems.  Are you sure that your BIOS is configured to boot 
from the cd-rom first?  Have you given thought about copying the contents 
of the cd-rom on your hard drive and installing from there?  Or have you 
tried starting the installation from a floopy?

I did have a problem with PCMCIA support during the installation.  After 
several attempts, I said no to anything that dealt with PCMCIA during the 
install.  I'm not sure if that would be a problem with your installation 
once your solve your boot up problems.

Richard





Re: [newbie] Internet PhoneJACK, Asterisk PBX...

2000-12-06 Thread BobC

Vincent Primavera wrote:
 
 Hello,
 Has anyone used either Quicknet's Internet PhoneJACK or Asterisk PBX?  Is
 anyone doing any kind of voice over IP applications?
 
 Thank You,
 Vincent A. Primavera


I tried to install Asterisk, but it wouldn't compile.  Let us know if
you get it working...




[newbie] unable to parse /mnt/var/lib etc. L-M 7.2

2000-12-06 Thread bill sawyers

He y folks
help me out on this if you can..
I've been trying  to install 7.2 complete onto a nice new clean 15 G
hard drive. I get past the partioning stage to the actual install and I
get this message:
unable to parse /mnt/var/lib/urpmi/hdlist/cdrom1.cz.
When I click OK , I get returned to the disk partioning section.
I have no idea what this message means or  what I can do about it.
thanks

Bill.





[newbie] Mandrake 7.2 and Sounblaster Live!

2000-12-06 Thread Philippe

I just installed mandrake 7.2, my first experience with linux, but it
seems the sound is not working.
HardDrake is showing the correct card: Creative Labs SB Live!
Anyone else has/had this problem? and a solution for it?
Thanks,
Philippe




[newbie] Quota

2000-12-06 Thread SKLIM



Hello to all Linux User

I am having a problem set a quota for my user and 
group level. Can someone guide me what to do ?




Best Regards,
SKLIM



Re: [newbie] unable to parse /mnt/var/lib etc. L-M 7.2

2000-12-06 Thread Cody Powell

I have had this error a few times.  Normally I got it when I was trying
to use a CD I had burned myself with a CD Rom drive that was very
particular about what kind of CDs it would take.  The way I fixed it was
to burn it again on a different brand of CD, or switch out the CD Rom
drive for one that is a little more accepting.


Cody


bill sawyers wrote:
 
 He y folks
 help me out on this if you can..
 I've been trying  to install 7.2 complete onto a nice new clean 15 G
 hard drive. I get past the partioning stage to the actual install and I
 get this message:
 unable to parse /mnt/var/lib/urpmi/hdlist/cdrom1.cz.
 When I click OK , I get returned to the disk partioning section.
 I have no idea what this message means or  what I can do about it.
 thanks
 
 Bill.




RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-06 Thread Rick Commo

I've never heard of that.  What hardware vendors *do* have to pay for are
certain types of certification testing.  A few years ago it was almost all
done by Microsoft. but a lot of it these days is "self-cert" by the company.
However, if you don't make hardware that falls into that category then your
hardware must be tested by Microsoft and they charge a nominal fee for that
service.  If your hardware passes then it is listed on the HCL (Hardware
Compatibility List).

Rick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux


On Tuesday 05 December 2000 05:34 pm, Romanator wrote:
 Hey Tom,

 Is it true about hardware providers paying fees to M$ so that Windows
 supports or approves their hardware? In other words, no fee - no
 drivers. Have you ever heard about this? I just wanted to clear that
 up.

 I have no idea, and I've never heard that.
--
Tom Brinkman   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay







[newbie] QUOTA

2000-12-06 Thread SKLIM

Hello to all Linux User

I am having a problem set a quota for my user and group level. Can someone
guide me what to do ?




Best Regards,
SKLIM






RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser

2000-12-06 Thread Abraham Pinzur


For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less than adequate
in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and
Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/.

- Av -

--
Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav





[newbie] Samsung ML-4500/4600

2000-12-06 Thread Miark

Hi all,

I've been looking to buy a cheap laser printer and found the
Samsung ML-4600 at Onvia for $219 shipped. To my surprise, I
discovered that it comes with Linux drivers.

I'll probably buy it regardless, but can any of you comment
on its performance under Linux?

Miark





Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.2 and Sounblaster Live!

2000-12-06 Thread Cody Powell

For some reason, a lot of people have problems with SB Live! cards in
linux, and it's lots of weird, different stuff.  If no one here can give
you a good fix, I would suggest http://opensource.creative.com as a good
place to start looking for a solution.  You can search their mailing
list/read the documentation/download new drivers there.


Cody


Philippe wrote:
 
 I just installed mandrake 7.2, my first experience with linux, but it
 seems the sound is not working.
 HardDrake is showing the correct card: Creative Labs SB Live!
 Anyone else has/had this problem? and a solution for it?
 Thanks,
 Philippe




Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-06 Thread Jay

Mark Weaver wrote:
 
 Jay!
 
 I like your sig lines. :)
 
 Mark
 
Thanks Mark!

-- 
Jay
~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~
http://www.mrsnooky.com




[newbie] A Lil Time Crisis

2000-12-06 Thread Altoine Barker



I have LM7.2 Odyssey installed on my computer. I don't know if this is a
glitch or not but here is my problem. My time is set wrong. While in KDE I
goto the bottom right hand corner and change the time zone to CST which is the
time zone I'm in and then I change the time to reflect the time on my watch.
If I logout of my KDE session and then come back in, the time is totally
wrong. I rebooted the computer and noticed that while bringing the services I
have defaulted to run in startup, I see the time service being started and it
has "(local)" after the service like this:

time yada yada (local)(Up)
MySQL (Up)

Anybody know how I can fix this. I want to have my computer's time set to an
internet service but it won't be accurate until I have this problem fixed.
Thank you in advance for any information that you can provide. This is
especially important to me because I used to set my computer to wake me up in
the mornings but now I'm forced to use a "clock"! Save me!!

Cheers 
--Al


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://home.netscape.com/webmail




Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.2 and Sounblaster Live!

2000-12-06 Thread Shayne Schecht

As  had posted before .. the reason that it is doing that (depends on your 
compuiter of course) from what I found is that there is a resource conflict 
with the USB bus. In my system both sit at 9 and that renders it mostly 
worthless ...

Meaning I will be going back to Redhat. I do not have this trouble in 
Windows or in Redhat .. so ...back I go ...

Anyhow, cheers and good luck

ceno

At 11:02 PM 12/6/2000 -0600, you wrote:
I just installed mandrake 7.2, my first experience with linux, but it
seems the sound is not working.
HardDrake is showing the correct card: Creative Labs SB Live!
Anyone else has/had this problem? and a solution for it?
Thanks,
Philippe


This is forgiveness so I know ...
Once I repent I seal the lid ...
I slither for you and I am dying...
I find trust in hate ...
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.slip.net/~cenobite/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shayne L. Schecht   "Ceno's Bytes"
Los Angeles, Ca
-
There is a secret song at the centre of the world and
it's sound is like razors through flesh
- 






Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.2 and Sounblaster Live!

2000-12-06 Thread Frank Morris

I use a Soundblaster Live Value, and had no problems. Mandrake 7.2 found
and configured it, no problem. Beats the heck out of me as to what
happened. I would try another install.
  Frank




At 12:39 AM 12/7/00 -0600, you wrote:
For some reason, a lot of people have problems with SB Live! cards in
linux, and it's lots of weird, different stuff.  If no one here can give
you a good fix, I would suggest http://opensource.creative.com as a good
place to start looking for a solution.  You can search their mailing
list/read the documentation/download new drivers there.


Cody


Philippe wrote:
 
 I just installed mandrake 7.2, my first experience with linux, but it
 seems the sound is not working.
 HardDrake is showing the correct card: Creative Labs SB Live!
 Anyone else has/had this problem? and a solution for it?
 Thanks,
 Philippe