Re: [newbie-it] gforce mx440
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:12:35 +0100 freefred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. La mdk non li ha perche' sono solo binari eccetera. Ti consiglio di prenderli in sorgenti (.src.rpm) sottile contrddizione :-))) ciao, Andrea
[newbie-it] Portatile, Linux, Floppy USB.
Ieri sono riuscito ad avere finalmente montado il floppy E' bastato controllare in KUSB che device vedeva (sda) con floppy su e floppy giù! Modificare fstab con dev/sda e il gioco è fatto. Spero che possa servire a qualcuno.
Re: [newbie-it] Brutte notizie
At 18.25 16/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: puoi trovare informazioni sul Mandrake Club e sulle varie opzioni, offerte e differenze alla pagina: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/it/club/ Ho visto, ma non mi dice un granchè Se non che posso scaricare StarOffice solo dal Silver in su O sbaglio io? :) Andrea
[newbie-it] Notebook e driver di ripristino
Ciao ragazzi, ieri ero passato da un negozio di informatica per cominciare a fare un giro per vedere di comprare un PC portatile, ho visto quali erano le offerte e ho chiesto quanto mi sarebbe stato tolto non installando il sistema operativo della microsoft, visto che intendo usare Linux. Risposta: Se vuoi un portatile devi pagare la licenza Microsoft perhè le case costruttrici installano dei driver interni di ripristino con windows, poi ci può installare quello che vuole! Cioè io voglio un portatile è devo pagare la mazzetta a Bill Gates? Mi devo rassegnare a pagare il portatile ed un sistema operativo che non voglio acquistare? ciao,
Re: [newbie-it] Notebook e driver di ripristino
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:51:43 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciao ragazzi, ieri ero passato da un negozio di informatica per cominciare a fare un giro per vedere di comprare un PC portatile, ho visto quali erano le offerte e ho chiesto quanto mi sarebbe stato tolto non installando il sistema operativo della microsoft, visto che intendo usare Linux. Risposta: Se vuoi un portatile devi pagare la licenza Microsoft perhè le case costruttrici installano dei driver interni di ripristino con windows, poi ci può installare quello che vuole! Cioè io voglio un portatile è devo pagare la mazzetta a Bill Gates? Mi devo rassegnare a pagare il portatile ed un sistema operativo che non voglio acquistare? ciao, Se ti senti combattivo cerca il sito di Paolo(?) Attivissimo, c'è una dettagliata esposizione delle procedure da seguire per ritornare al mittente XP e la sua licenza e farsi rendere i soldi. ciao, Andrea
[newbie-it] KAlarm
salve, sapete in quale file vengono salvati gli eventi inseriti in kalarm?
Re: [newbie-it]
Alle 03:34, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, carmine de pasquale ha scritto: la penultima lettera deve essere b come bari e non v come verona che ci sia un errore su qualche dizionario molto diffuso? Inizio a crederlo anche io... :) Daniele -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie-it] dove trovo Mandrake 9.0 su CD?
Grazie della disponibilità a tutti, abito in prov. di mantova. Appena vado in edicola controllo. Ciao! Enrico _ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plusref=lmtplus
Re: [newbie-it] dove trovo Mandrake 9.0 su CD?
Alle 12:56, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, Enrico Teotti ha scritto: Grazie della disponibilità a tutti, abito in prov. di mantova. Appena vado in edicola controllo. Ciao! Enrico Un'alternativa, viste le difficoltà di Mandrake: se ne hai la possibilità, perchè non acquistare un PowerPack (li trovi anche in alcune librerie specializzate, oltre che sul sito Mandrake) o una versione base via internet? Il costo non è eccessivo (senza volerti fare i conti in tasca, ovviamente): dai 30 ai 60 euro... potresti organizzarti con un amico ed acquistarlo insieme. Sarebbe un modo per dare un sostegno concreto a Mandrake... Ciao... Daniele -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie-it] dove trovo Mandrake 9.0 su CD?
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:03:05 +0100 Daniele Micci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alle 12:56, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, Enrico Teotti ha scritto: Grazie della disponibilità a tutti, abito in prov. di mantova. Appena vado in edicola controllo. Ciao! Enrico Un'alternativa, viste le difficoltà di Mandrake: se ne hai la possibilità, perchè non acquistare un PowerPack (li trovi anche in alcune librerie specializzate, oltre che sul sito Mandrake) o una versione base via internet? Il costo non è eccessivo (senza volerti fare i conti in tasca, ovviamente): dai 30 ai 60 euro... potresti organizzarti con un amico ed acquistarlo insieme. Sarebbe un modo per dare un sostegno concreto a Mandrake... Ciao... Per dare un sostegno concreto è consigliabile comprare direttamente da www.mandrakestore.com. I soldi vanno tutti alla Mandrake. Altrimenti, paghi una commissione ad un venditore che ha già pagato un prezzo ridotto a Mandrake. ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Brutte notizie
Alle 10:24, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, Andrea Cecagallina ha scritto: At 18.25 16/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: puoi trovare informazioni sul Mandrake Club e sulle varie opzioni, offerte e differenze alla pagina: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/it/club/ Ho visto, ma non mi dice un granchè Se non che posso scaricare StarOffice solo dal Silver in su O sbaglio io? :) Andrea Io ho preferito acquistare il sistema operativo direttamente dalla casa madre. Ho atteso un po' di tempo (circa un mese dal rilascio) ma al mattino alle 11 mi avvisavano via e-mail della spedizione del Power Pack (ho scelto solo CD), alle 19 avevo il corriere sotto casa. La spesa (circa € 70) è più che accettabile visto i costi, molto differenti da M$. Spero solo che nell'ambiente dove lo sto introducento acquistino anch'essi la vesione completa. Bye.
Re: [newbie-it] Errori con X
Alle 19:34, martedì 14 gennaio 2003, Santarella Benedetto ha scritto: Alle 15:27, lunedì 13 gennaio 2003, Fabio Manunza ha scritto: Mi era successa una cosa del genere quando ho ricompilato il kernel della 9.0; mi pare che abbia difficoltà a trovare i moduli della scheda grafica. Prova a controllare che /lib/modules contenga i moduli necessari al kernel Nella directory, c' e' solo la directory 2.4.19-16mdk, con dentro alcuni file, cosa dovrei trovare precisamente Proprio questa cartella...quando ricompili ne viene creata una con il finale -custom P.S. La mia scheda e' una Ati rage 128 pro, ma linux la riconosce come una Ari rage 128 e basta E' normale, ho la stessa scheda, e viene riconosciuta alla stessa maniera. Non ti preoccupare, viene correttamente rilevata (controlla in /proc/pci per credere). Ti dirò, io alla fine, non capendoci più nulla, ho reinstallato... -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## -
Re: [newbie-it] gforce mx440
On Friday 17 January 2003 9:27 am, Andrea Celli wrote about Re: [newbie-it] gforce mx440: On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:12:35 +0100 freefred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. La mdk non li ha perche' sono solo binari eccetera. Ti consiglio di prenderli in sorgenti (.src.rpm) sottile contrddizione :-))) eh eh, si' insomma ci siamo capiti:-) bye -- Devil Inside Experiment - C'era un bambino che odiava la polizia http://www.acidlife.com/mayhem/freefred/ Davide Banda Partial Arts [2000] - http://www.marcob.org/go.asp?~freefred/ ICQ uin 5887365 - PGP key available on keyservers
Re: [newbie-it] KAlarm
* Luigi wrote: sapete in quale file vengono salvati gli eventi inseriti in kalarm? ~/.kde/share/apps/kalarm/calendar.ics -- syd - LU 285930 * LM 167646 msg10735/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[newbie-it] Fwd : Refresh del monitor in modalità console
Mi hanno chiesto cio! e io non ne ho idea!!! Ciao , ho installato i driver per Linux della mia scheda video (Ati Radeon 8500). Ora in ambiente KDE tutto funziona bene, compresa l'accelerazione 3D. Ma quando passo in modalità console, appaiono solo delle righe e non mi permettono di distinguere nulla.Come posso regolare il refresh della modalità console senza variare quello sotto X? Grazie. per eventuali risposte non manchero di citare le fonti :) Grazie Ciao , Tom
Re: [newbie-it] KAlarm
Alle 17:13, giovedì 16 gennaio 2003, Luigi ha scritto: salve, sapete in quale file vengono salvati gli eventi inseriti in kalarm? Io darei un occhiata a .kde, presente nella tua home (occhio al punto). -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## -
[newbie-it] j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586.bin
Ave lista, il pak in questione è presente in una rivista di questo mese... scompattato...etcetc.. come lo installo? nel readme nessuna info a riguardo sono ancora parecchio inesperto nel installare queste cose! fosse stato un semplicissimo .tar.gz!!! invece no è .bin :) mi date una mano? Grazie gia da ora a chi ne avesse voglia. Ciao , Tom
Re: [newbie-it] j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586.bin
Alle 20:18, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, tom ha scritto: Ave lista, il pak in questione è presente in una rivista di questo mese... scompattato...etcetc.. come lo installo? nel readme nessuna info a riguardo sono ancora parecchio inesperto nel installare queste cose! fosse stato un semplicissimo .tar.gz!!! invece no è .bin :) mi date una mano? Grazie gia da ora a chi ne avesse voglia. Ciao , Tom E' un file binario. Ti basta eseguirlo.. magari come root. Daniele -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie-it] [ot] Help bios
Alle Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:49, a proposito di Re: [newbie-it] [ot] Help bios (e chissa' a cosa pensava veramente), freefred ha scritto: Devi guardare che scheda madre e' poi fare qualche ricerca in rete. E' quello che pensavo anch'io, ma all'avvio, tra le (poche) scritte, ci sono sfilze di numeri... vorrei tanto sapere quale corrisponde ad un qualche modello di MB. Riprovero'. Togliere la batteria e' la cosa piu' sicura Gia'... e cose tonde che sembrino batterie non ne vedo... -- Arwan
[newbie-it] [ot] ancora quel bios porcello
Thread nuovo per rispondere a tutti senza fare 50 mail tutte simili... Intanto grazie per l'aiuto. Di batterie tonde non ce n'e' (bella forza, le avrei trovate ad occhi chiusi...); di roba a forma di parallelepipedo e' pieno il mondo... e anche l'interno di quel PC. Per quanto riguarda i jumper, ci avevo gia' pensato, ma ho un problema (devo ancora verificare il sito segnalatomi, ma temo gia' quale sia la risposta; capirere perche' dalle prossime righe): al boot vedo la scritta Award Modular Bios v4.51pg, e sotto, sotto il press del to enter setup, mi viene dato il nome del chipset: i 430vx-8669-2a59gs29c-00 Ora, con queste assai misere informazioni, ho smanettato in rete. Il risultato e' che probabilmente si tratta di una scheda madre della Lucky Star, ma... il link al sito del produttore da' errore come se la pagina non ci fosse. Gira e rigira, sempre quello e' il link che ho trovato (magari, mi sono detta, e' cambiato, invece nisba), e cosi' non riesco a venirne fuori. Avessi almeno il libretto della scheda... quel jumperino sarebbe uno scherzo! -- Arwan
Re: [newbie-it] j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586.bin
Alle 20:30, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, Daniele Micci ha scritto: Alle 20:18, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, tom ha scritto: Ave lista, il pak in questione è presente in una rivista di questo mese... scompattato...etcetc.. come lo installo? nel readme nessuna info a riguardo sono ancora parecchio inesperto nel installare queste cose! fosse stato un semplicissimo .tar.gz!!! invece no è .bin :) mi date una mano? Grazie gia da ora a chi ne avesse voglia. Ciao , Tom E' un file binario. Ti basta eseguirlo.. magari come root. Daniele si eseguendolo me lo scompatta in una dir con stesso nome del .bin e poi che ci devo fare? nella dir ci sono le seguenti dir: bin ; lib ; man : plugin piu vari file tipo : readme,copyright,licenseetc etc tutti file .txt e .html piu un altro pak.zip che dovrebbe essere un programma opzionale (ma magari qui c'è l'install di java vero e proprio) Ciao , Tom
Re: [newbie-it] j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586.bin
Alle 22:36, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, tom ha scritto: si eseguendolo me lo scompatta in una dir con stesso nome del .bin e poi che ci devo fare? nella dir ci sono le seguenti dir: bin ; lib ; man : plugin piu vari file tipo : readme,copyright,licenseetc etc tutti file .txt e .html piu un altro pak.zip che dovrebbe essere un programma opzionale (ma magari qui c'è l'install di java vero e proprio) Ciao , Tom Beh, se tra i file scompattati c'è un README cosa aspetti a leggere che c'è scritto? ;) Daniele -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie-it] Fwd : Refresh del monitor in modalit console
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 19:39, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, tom ha scritto: permettono di distinguere nulla.Come posso regolare il refresh della modalità console senza variare quello sotto X? framebuffer /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt Grazie Ciao , Tom bye miKe - -- Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.20 @ hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 -- S.R.U.#705 -- R.M.#110932 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE+KGjEF/9fksDJ4y0RAjt2AKDBIn0gpB5b+OlM926WiiHAfIN0fQCgoUKP wRcNpMAWXXvSGXWWuDfVAL0= =nUF2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] [ot] ancora quel bios porcello
Ora, con queste assai misere informazioni, ho smanettato in rete. Il risultato e' che probabilmente si tratta di una scheda madre della Lucky Star, ma... il link al sito del produttore da' errore come se la pagina non ci fosse. prova a vedere se su http://www.archive.org ci sono copie di quella pagina. archive è un sito che registra siti in continuazione Gira e rigira, sempre quello e' il link che ho trovato (magari, mi sono detta, e' cambiato, invece nisba), e cosi' non riesco a venirne fuori. Avessi almeno il libretto della scheda... quel jumperino sarebbe uno scherzo!
Re: [newbie-it] j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586.bin
Alle 20:43, venerdì 17 gennaio 2003, Daniele Micci ha scritto: Beh, se tra i file scompattati c'è un README cosa aspetti a leggere che c'è scritto? ;) Daniele :) gia letto! :-) ma nisba sarebbe stato troppo semplice! :-) Ciao , Tom
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Thursday 16 January 2003 20:02, you wrote: Mandrakesoft is GPL with everything it does except on the commercial software disks and the club downloads. Thats what I thought. If you folk have checked other distros lately, ... ...Forget it. Yess And, yes, if I did something to continue the effort the Mandrake folks started, I would find some help and create a non-profit scientific, educational, and charitable purposes tax exempt corporation and seek private foundation funding for the preservation of essential freedoms. But let's be a little more optimistic for now. MandrakeClub has 20,000 members and people are investing to preserve the effort. Just continue what is done. But the problem is, if the need for action arises, speed is required. Starting thinking about contingency plans then is by far too late. Some months break in development is bad but not fatal; but things like maillists cannot disappear. Not for a day. Otherwise community starts falling apart. So we can hope the best for Mandrakesoft business and help them as we can but community must have a backup plan. Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] or..
Got it, ML is much nicer. R - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] or.. or, you could just get over it and find another suitable os? freebsd perhaps? logik Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] or..
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 19:07, Richard Babcock wrote: Got it, ML is much nicer. R Dang...and right when I thought that I might switch to using Windows... -- Fri Jan 17 19:05:00 EST 2003 7:05pm up 1 day, 4:48, 4 users, load average: 0.36, 0.35, 0.29 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Vote anarchist. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:09 pm, Charlie wrote: On January 16, 2003 12:30 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2003 01:18 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 7:08 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: Me too, if it comes to that, which I doubt very much (I have a lot of faith in where there is a will there is a way) , I'll flip you for turning out the lights. : ) They don't make three-faced coins, I think? Anne No, so then we have to roll dice. High number wins. Use a pyramid. That'll work. :-) That gives ya 5 faces to flip for, right? Count me in. That makes 6. Back to dice? No! What if we all get the same number? There has got to be a better wayhmmm...I know! We hold an auction, proceeds go to Mandrakesoft, and the highest bidder gets to turn out the lights. [OT, as if this thread already isn't] And really, I think mandrake would sell better if they included a free Tux in each Powerpack, because not everyone needs a cap, but all linux users need penguins. I particularly like the ones at www.waiyiptoys.com (got 6 of them!). _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:44 am, Sharrea wrote: Came across this article today at http://www.fool.com/News/Take/2003/take030115.htm With governments from various countries switching to Linux, Micro$haft is obviously getting more than a little worried. hehe... Too late, they've missed the potential market in China... too bad... Here's an extract from the article: extract Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) is going open source, at least for governments that want to inspect its Windows operating system. Hello! www.bungie.net - Bungie is the games company that Microsoft bought out (explaining why Halo is XBox only etc). Recently they made the Marathon 2 engine open source. So a microsoft subsidiary is supporting open source...just thought you might like to know! And I know that this is OT to even this OT thread, but I was thinking: what if a person burnt 5 copies of Mandrake, and gave it free to 5 people, on the condition that they would each burn 5 copies, and give it away with the same condition? Pyramid schemes put to good use! Regards, _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake Club
http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=2446forum=4 http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=1026forum=4 http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=1308forum=4 You might want to add some comments and possiably vote for these rpms requested for development at mandrake club. -- 12:06am up 14:25, 6 users, load average: 0.10, 0.17, 0.13 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:13, _nasturtium wrote: [OT, as if this thread already isn't] And really, I think mandrake would sell better if they included a free Tux in each Powerpack, because not everyone needs a cap, but all linux users need penguins. I particularly like the ones at www.waiyiptoys.com (got 6 of them!). _nasturtium I'm trying to work out a deal with my wife to make dog coats in the Tux fashion...think that would be a seller? -- Fri Jan 17 19:15:00 EST 2003 7:15pm up 1 day, 4:58, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.19 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- You should go home. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:13, _nasturtium wrote: And I know that this is OT to even this OT thread, but I was thinking: what if a person burnt 5 copies of Mandrake, and gave it free to 5 people, on the condition that they would each burn 5 copies, and give it away with the same condition? Pyramid schemes put to good use! Regards, _nasturtium You're not working for Amway or AOL, are you? -- Fri Jan 17 19:20:00 EST 2003 7:20pm up 1 day, 5:03, 4 users, load average: 0.22, 0.19, 0.18 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- The misnaming of fields of study is so common as to lead to what might be general systems laws. For example, Frank Harary once suggested the law that any field that had the word science in its name was guaranteed thereby not to be a science. He would cite as examples Military Science, Library Science, Political Science, Homemaking Science, Social Science, and Computer Science. Discuss the generality of this law, and possible reasons for its predictive power. -- Gerald Weinberg, An Introduction to General Systems Thinking Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake Club Mirror finder for rpmdrake
http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?name=Mirrors How to configure URPMI or RPMDRAKE to use web resources for parsing avalible Mandrake Compiled Applications. What this means is the thousands of different programs that have been bundled into RPM's for MDK, and are whearhoused on a servers hard drive on the internet. Can be integrated and linked into your software manager. So after adding the appropriate source this link assists you in doing, you can simply querie in rpmdrake for a specific app, say openoffice provided your lists are uptodate it will show you all the results matching openoffice, you can then select what you want, and urpmi will automagically take care of any dependencies (those apps where one program depends on another). Viola, openoffice and all associated components are installed. Verry Cool Huh!!1 so take the time to configure this, besides updating your lists you only need to add them once. (and if you really fall in love with this become a club member for more bennifits) Enjoy, This Mandrake tip brought to you by www.hasty-solutions.com -- 12:16am up 14:35, 6 users, load average: 0.11, 0.07, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:13, _nasturtium wrote: [OT, as if this thread already isn't] And really, I think mandrake would sell better if they included a free Tux in each Powerpack, because not everyone needs a cap, but all linux users need penguins. I particularly like the ones at www.waiyiptoys.com (got 6 of them!). _nasturtium I'm trying to work out a deal with my wife to make dog coats in the Tux fashion...think that would be a seller? There's a breed of dog you might be interested in...they're called dalmatians. They're black and white which is just right, all you need to do know is genetically engineer them to have orange feet... Hey, wait a minute...your cow coats are actually dalmatian, aren't they? ;-) Besides, I can't afford one. They're in US dollars! :-) _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:21 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:13, _nasturtium wrote: And I know that this is OT to even this OT thread, but I was thinking: what if a person burnt 5 copies of Mandrake, and gave it free to 5 people, on the condition that they would each burn 5 copies, and give it away with the same condition? Pyramid schemes put to good use! Regards, _nasturtium You're not working for Amway or AOL, are you? Like I said before when asked if I'm a redhat shill, Amway and AOL don't pay well enough. But think about it. By the time we reach the 10th level there's already over 10 million copies of mandrake! _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:36, _nasturtium wrote: There's a breed of dog you might be interested in...they're called dalmatians. They're black and white which is just right, all you need to do know is genetically engineer them to have orange feet... Hey, wait a minute...your cow coats are actually dalmatian, aren't they? ;-) Besides, I can't afford one. They're in US dollars! :-) _nasturtium We have doggie coats that are Dalmation Imitation - no real Dalmations were damaged or drugged in the making of our coats - and yeah, the costs are in USD because most of the clients are yanks (talk about Catch-22); they like to spend USD in Australia...(g) ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) -- Fri Jan 17 19:40:00 EST 2003 7:40pm up 1 day, 5:23, 4 users, load average: 0.35, 0.50, 0.28 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before. -- Captain James T. Kirk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:39, _nasturtium wrote: Like I said before when asked if I'm a redhat shill, Amway and AOL don't pay well enough. But think about it. By the time we reach the 10th level there's already over 10 million copies of mandrake! _nasturtium Where in the hell are ya gonna find 10 million computer owning/using people in Australia? - unless, of course, Centrelink is handing out computers to dole bludgers...(g) -- Fri Jan 17 19:45:00 EST 2003 7:45pm up 1 day, 5:28, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.37, 0.31 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Don't hit a man when he's down -- kick him; it's easier. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Friday 17 January 2003 08:46, Stephen Kuhn wrote: ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) I'd never have thought Aussie doggies needed coats.=:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 20:57, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 17 January 2003 08:46, Stephen Kuhn wrote: ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) I'd never have thought Aussie doggies needed coats.=:o) Good luck, HarM We make the coats OUT of Aussie doggies - hence the name Dog Coats. (g) -- Fri Jan 17 20:00:00 EST 2003 8:00pm up 1 day, 5:43, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.06, 0.13 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- `You'd better be prepared for the jump into hyperspace. It's unpleasently like being drunk.' `What's so unpleasent about being drunk?' `You ask a glass of water.' - Arthur getting ready for his first jump into hyperspace. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Friday 17 January 2003 10:39 am, _nasturtium wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:21 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:13, _nasturtium wrote: And I know that this is OT to even this OT thread, but I was thinking: what if a person burnt 5 copies of Mandrake, and gave it free to 5 people, on the condition that they would each burn 5 copies, and give it away with the same condition? Pyramid schemes put to good use! Regards, _nasturtium You're not working for Amway or AOL, are you? Like I said before when asked if I'm a redhat shill, Amway and AOL don't pay well enough. But think about it. By the time we reach the 10th level there's already over 10 million copies of mandrake! _nasturtium Hmmm, Well we have a semantics problem perhaps. 1st level is the guy who gets one copy or pow(5,0)=1 10th level should be pow(5,9) copies, or slightly less than 2 million Previous level is less than 400,000 and total copies out there is like less than 2.500,000. Perhaps you count the first level as the zeroth? Then by the 10th level we have more than 12,000,000 copies out there #!/usr/bin/env python import math total=0.0 for i in range(11): x=float(i) y=math.pow(5.0,x) total=total+y print i, y, total [tester@ibm333 tester]$ ./5calc.py 0 1.0 1.0 1 5.0 6.0 2 25.0 31.0 3 125.0 156.0 4 625.0 781.0 5 3125.0 3906.0 6 15625.0 19531.0 7 78125.0 97656.0 8 390625.0 488281.0 9 1953125.0 2441406.0 10 9765625.0 12207031.0 [tester@ibm333 tester]$ civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Software installer problem Mandrake 9.0
Hello, I am new to this list and forward a problem that I hope is well-known. I made a fresh install of Mandrake Linux 9.0 on my PC and found out that the package mplayer was not installed. So I used the software installer that showed the package and some others that were needed. I ticked the entries and then the pushed the install button. To my surprise something like the following came as an answer: everything already installed (was this supposed to happen?) But clearly mplayer is NOT installed and I wonder what is wrong with the package administration. It happens with many other packages too. Does anyone know about this problem and how to solve it? Greetings, Ed Vaessen Disclaimer Aan dit bericht kunnen geen rechten worden ontleend. Dit bericht is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Als u dit bericht per abuis hebt ontvangen, wordt u verzocht het te vernietigen en de afzender te informeren. Wij adviseren u om bij twijfel over de juistheid of de volledigheid van de mail contact met afzender op te nemen. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 20:21, civileme wrote: Well we have a semantics problem perhaps. 1st level is the guy who gets one copy or pow(5,0)=1 10th level should be pow(5,9) copies, or slightly less than 2 million Previous level is less than 400,000 and total copies out there is like less than 2.500,000. Perhaps you count the first level as the zeroth? Then by the 10th level we have more than 12,000,000 copies out there #!/usr/bin/env python import math total=0.0 for i in range(11): x=float(i) y=math.pow(5.0,x) total=total+y print i, y, total [tester@ibm333 tester]$ ./5calc.py 0 1.0 1.0 1 5.0 6.0 2 25.0 31.0 3 125.0 156.0 4 625.0 781.0 5 3125.0 3906.0 6 15625.0 19531.0 7 78125.0 97656.0 8 390625.0 488281.0 9 1953125.0 2441406.0 10 9765625.0 12207031.0 [tester@ibm333 tester]$ civileme I just pee'd myself laughing at this one mate... -- Fri Jan 17 20:35:00 EST 2003 8:35pm up 1 day, 6:18, 4 users, load average: 1.21, 0.55, 0.27 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- My only love sprung from my only hate! Too early seen unknown, and known too late! -- William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Save a search - work-around
On Friday 17 Jan 2003 12:53 am, Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:32:30 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well, I got a bookmark thing on my personal toolbar OK. Hovering over it shows a javascript link, but clicking on it doesn't seem to do anything. I do wonder, though, whether this is really what I need? I'm looking for something that would enable me to save the resulting list of links from a Google search. It used to be simple in Mozilla, though I can't remember whether there was a button, or whether it was a right-click option. Anne You shouldn't have any trouble bookmarking a google search since it doesn't use post--the search term and everything is evident when you look at the URL of the results page. Frmget is for those pages that *don't* give you a bookmarkable results page (try a search on http://www.m-w.com, for example, and compare the results URL to one from google). Sounds like you might have something funky going on with Mozilla. Too many things seem to have changed since I installed Netscape 7. I'd uninstall it, but I suspect that I would also have to uninstall Moz and Galleon and start afresh. It's a lot of hassle, and for the moment I have found that on the tabs there is an option to save this group of tabs, which can include a page of Google results, so that'll manage for the present. Thanks for your time Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Software installer problem Mandrake 9.0
On Friday 17 January 2003 09:27, Vaessen, E.M.J. (Ed) wrote: Hello, I am new to this list and forward a problem that I hope is well-known. I made a fresh install of Mandrake Linux 9.0 on my PC and found out that the package mplayer was not installed. So I used the software installer that showed the package and some others that were needed. I ticked the entries and then the pushed the install button. To my surprise something like the following came as an answer: everything already installed (was this supposed to happen?) But clearly mplayer is NOT installed and I wonder what is wrong with the package administration. It happens with many other packages too. Does anyone know about this problem and how to solve it? Greetings, Ed Vaessen Probably something wrong with the urpmi data. Well the easiest (and quickest) way out is to start an install again, then choose 'upgrade', don't choose any extra packages (or maybe mplayer using the 'show all packages' option) , finish the routine and everything should be OK. If not there's something wrong on the install-cd. Good Luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] why mandrake?
On Friday 17 Jan 2003 2:19 am, Les Henderson wrote: I'm curious as to why someone would choose mandrake over other distros For me, a straightforward install that recognised all the hardware I need on a regular basis (despite problems with camera and smartmedia reader), and, above all, this list/community, which has helped me learn a lot - and will continue to do so, I believe. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:49 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:39, _nasturtium wrote: Like I said before when asked if I'm a redhat shill, Amway and AOL don't pay well enough. But think about it. By the time we reach the 10th level there's already over 10 million copies of mandrake! _nasturtium Where in the hell are ya gonna find 10 million computer owning/using people in Australia? - unless, of course, Centrelink is handing out computers to dole bludgers...(g) Work for the dole. Everyone who is unemployed for 6 months or more must distribute 5 copies of mandrake a day and keep a log of it. _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:46 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:36, _nasturtium wrote: There's a breed of dog you might be interested in...they're called dalmatians. They're black and white which is just right, all you need to do know is genetically engineer them to have orange feet... Hey, wait a minute...your cow coats are actually dalmatian, aren't they? ;-) Besides, I can't afford one. They're in US dollars! :-) _nasturtium We have doggie coats that are Dalmation Imitation - no real Dalmations were damaged or drugged in the making of our coats - and yeah, the costs are in USD because most of the clients are yanks (talk about Catch-22); they like to spend USD in Australia...(g) ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) Hello, I'm sorry, but my honor will not allow me to pay in US dollars. Let me explain why... well, a long, long time ago (when most likely you weren't around) AU$ was actually worth more than US$. And for the past 10 years I've watched my savings plummet (part of the problem is that commbank pays me 0.01% interest - 10 cents for $500 pa). I'm not going to buy a dog coat until AU$ rises above US$ again (read: never). Besides, my school would expel (ok, maybe only a detention) me if I wore a dog coat to school... Aww, only Dalmation Imitation. You're lucky - I was about to ring the RSPCA, but my modem was taking the phone line... :-) Regards, _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] LILO messed up?
s. Wizard wrote: Going to answer my own question on this one...no guts no glory, right? Changed the 0x81 to 0x80 and rebooted, life was good again. s.W On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 01:32, s. Wizard wrote: Hi all, I have a dual-boot box which, after some messing with, I fear I've broken. I'm successfully booting right now, but that means manual interference, otherwise, I get a quick boot-up welcome of 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 printed across my screen and a locked workstation. Anyway, what I'm trying to do is be my workstation to stop trying to boot from hde and start from hdf, which is the first drive in my BIOS boot-up. I've googled around a bit, and haven't found anything that'll help me, particularly with this line. snip disk=/dev/hdf bios=0x81 /snip ...I understand the disk=/dev/hdf but what is the bios=0x81? What do I change that to so I don't have to manually stop my system's boot-up, pick which disk I want to boot from, and then let it go from there? Thanks in advance, I don't know what you'll need to answer my question...so I hope I can provide what you request Thanks, s.Wizard Where does this disk=/dev/hdf bios=0x80 go ? can anyone explain the changed and change result? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
Vahur Lokk wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2003 20:02, you wrote: Mandrakesoft is GPL with everything it does except on the commercial software disks and the club downloads. Thats what I thought. If you folk have checked other distros lately, ... ...Forget it. Yess And, yes, if I did something to continue the effort the Mandrake folks started, I would find some help and create a non-profit scientific, educational, and charitable purposes tax exempt corporation and seek private foundation funding for the preservation of essential freedoms. But let's be a little more optimistic for now. MandrakeClub has 20,000 members and people are investing to preserve the effort. Just continue what is done. But the problem is, if the need for action arises, speed is required. Starting thinking about contingency plans then is by far too late. Some months break in development is bad but not fatal; but things like maillists cannot disappear. Not for a day. Otherwise community starts falling apart. So we can hope the best for Mandrakesoft business and help them as we can but community must have a backup plan. Wahur Exactly !! John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 08:29, _nasturtium wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:49 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:39, _nasturtium wrote: Like I said before when asked if I'm a redhat shill, Amway and AOL don't pay well enough. But think about it. By the time we reach the 10th level there's already over 10 million copies of mandrake! _nasturtium Where in the hell are ya gonna find 10 million computer owning/using people in Australia? - unless, of course, Centrelink is handing out computers to dole bludgers...(g) Work for the dole. Everyone who is unemployed for 6 months or more must distribute 5 copies of mandrake a day and keep a log of it. _nasturtium ...but when can they play pokies if they're trying to burn CD's? -- Fri Jan 17 21:40:00 EST 2003 9:40pm up 1 day, 7:23, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.18, 0.13 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- You had some happiness once, but your parents moved away, and you had to leave it behind. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] why mandrake?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 17 Jan 2003 2:19 am, Les Henderson wrote: I'm curious as to why someone would choose mandrake over other distros For me, a straightforward install that recognised all the hardware I need on a regular basis (despite problems with camera and smartmedia reader), and, above all, this list/community, which has helped me learn a lot - and will continue to do so, I believe. Anne I would echo that. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 08:32, _nasturtium wrote: Hello, I'm sorry, but my honor will not allow me to pay in US dollars. Let me explain why... well, a long, long time ago (when most likely you weren't around) AU$ was actually worth more than US$. And for the past 10 years I've watched my savings plummet (part of the problem is that commbank pays me 0.01% interest - 10 cents for $500 pa). I'm not going to buy a dog coat until AU$ rises above US$ again (read: never). Besides, my school would expel (ok, maybe only a detention) me if I wore a dog coat to school... Aww, only Dalmation Imitation. You're lucky - I was about to ring the RSPCA, but my modem was taking the phone line... :-) Regards, _nasturtium Yeehaw! That's why I'm sucking yank funds...for Aussies, it's actually around $12.95...(not including postage) I don't mind making money off the yanks nowadays, but hate spending MY money on yank products... -- Fri Jan 17 21:40:00 EST 2003 9:40pm up 1 day, 7:23, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.18, 0.13 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- You had some happiness once, but your parents moved away, and you had to leave it behind. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:21 am, civileme wrote:
On Friday 17 January 2003 10:39 am, _nasturtium wrote:
But think about it. By the time we reach the 10th level there's already
over 10 million copies of mandrake!
_nasturtium
Hmmm,
Well we have a semantics problem perhaps.
1st level is the guy who gets one copy or pow(5,0)=1
10th level should be pow(5,9) copies, or slightly less than 2 million
Previous level is less than 400,000 and total copies out there is like less
than 2.500,000.
Perhaps you count the first level as the zeroth? Then by the 10th level we
have more than 12,000,000 copies out there
#!/usr/bin/env python
import math
total=0.0
for i in range(11):
x=float(i)
y=math.pow(5.0,x)
total=total+y
print i, y, total
[tester@ibm333 tester]$ ./5calc.py
0 1.0 1.0
1 5.0 6.0
2 25.0 31.0
3 125.0 156.0
4 625.0 781.0
5 3125.0 3906.0
6 15625.0 19531.0
7 78125.0 97656.0
8 390625.0 488281.0
9 1953125.0 2441406.0
10 9765625.0 12207031.0
[tester@ibm333 tester]$
civileme
Hello!
First, nice to see you back! Well, I guess I do count the first level as
zeroth.
Here's something I was working on in QT: a fibonacci calculator for KDE (GPL
of course, open-source, a BASIC version available, and my major contribution
to the linux community). Obviously it calculates fibonacci values.
I'll send along the project file, main cpp and ui file if you like (off-list).
This is an extract of the code (cut down the extra niceties):
#include math.h
void FibnForm::PushButton5_clicked()
{
QString happy = InputNum-text();
double therequest=0;
therequest = atoi(happy.utf8 ());
//add this line to set the first fib value to 0
//therequest-=3;
LCDNumber1-display(Calcul(therequest));
}
double FibnForm::Calcul(double todo)
{
return( (sqrt(5) + 3) / (5 - sqrt(5)) * pow ((2 / (sqrt(5) - 1)), todo
)+(3 - sqrt(5)) / (5 + sqrt(5)) * pow ( (2 / (-1 - sqrt(5))) , todo) );
}
You can of course just make a main () function and compile it. Run it.
Surprised? The first fibonacci is actually 2! So that's why i have the line
therequest-=3, because users expect it to be 0, or 1. The -3rd term is 0.
And you might be wondering: why did I use such a complex formula to calculate
fibonacci when i could have just used iteration or recursion? Well, because
it's elegant, and I proved it myself :-)
Regards,
_nasturtium
(next project: russian multiplication)
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Re: [newbie] OT - MS going open source
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:40 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 08:29, _nasturtium wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:49 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Where in the hell are ya gonna find 10 million computer owning/using people in Australia? - unless, of course, Centrelink is handing out computers to dole bludgers...(g) Work for the dole. Everyone who is unemployed for 6 months or more must distribute 5 copies of mandrake a day and keep a log of it. _nasturtium ...but when can they play pokies if they're trying to burn CD's? Hehe... well that's not much of a problem. Who said you can't distribute the CDs to your fellow gamblers? :-) The biggest addiction I ever had was same-gnome - 5484 points - but I've overcome it now... these days i play ksame game! =P Much better graphics, and shows the seed for the level. _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT - Civileme
I'm surprised nobody has already commented on his return, so I'd like to just say Welcome Back -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Time Setting in KDE
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:27, Adolfo Bello wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 11:28, Rich wrote: OK, it happened again this morning, only it was off by 5 hours (I may have been wrong about 4 hours yesterday. Any clues at all out there?? Rich The first time that I installed Mandrake 9, I had the same problem. Then I remembered that I picked GMT as the time to use to synchronize with the time server. During second installation (2 or 3 days later) I picked the other format and the problem was gone. Same here, I'm in New Zealand. During installation I always choose No GMT or whatever the option actually states. Found this out back when using MDK 8.0. But I've found that with MDK 9.0 changing the date/time by right-clicking the clock in the panel stuffs it all up again! Use MCC System Date Time to reset the date/time AND the timezone fixes the problem. I don't know how to change this setting after installation. IIRC using MCC as above to change your timezone gives you the No GMT option again. Hope that solves your problem Rich. cheers Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:02, civileme wrote: snip Mandrakesoft is GPL with everything it does except on the commercial software disks and the club downloads. Yes, and these people who are saying otherwise, notably only since recent discussions at various websites concerning MandrakeSoft's financial problem, is rather annoying. If you folk have checked other distros lately, I think you will find that few if any are as mature as this one in as many areas. Tried RH 7.3 and was not at all impressed. Dual booting lasted all of 3 weeks. I might think of making my own distro using Mandrake as a base if this one goes bust, but switching to any of the others? Forget it. I am here cause this one was friendly at a personal, technical, and corporate level, and the others were decidedly unfriendly at one or more of those levels. Agreed where RH 7.3 is concerned! If you have ever asked a question on a RH flame errr... help list, you know very well what I mean. Sure do... no welcome mat at that door. The users there kinda remind me of the dogs I had... very territorial and always scrapping with each other. S.u.S.E. is so far from GPL that I would never consider them, though they seem evil enough to be propped up by IBM and Intel to the tune of more than $45 million (Mandrake needs less than a tenth of that). And, yes, if I did something to continue the effort the Mandrake folks started, I would find some help and create a non-profit scientific, educational, and charitable purposes tax exempt corporation and seek private foundation funding for the preservation of essential freedoms. Cool! Three cheers for Civileme! I'd be an avid follower for one and I bet plenty of others would too. But I sincerely hope it never comes to that. But let's be a little more optimistic for now. MandrakeClub has 20,000 members and people are investing to preserve the effort. Just continue what is done. Yep, keep the support up folks! I agree with someone on this list when referring to the Chapter 11 thing, who said DON'T hold back your support until things come right: it helps to prove to the court that the business is still viable. MandrakeSoft need our support NOW! Civileme And BTW, its nice to see you're still around Civileme. Cheers Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Civileme
On Friday 17 Jan 2003 11:15 am, Poogle wrote: I'm surprised nobody has already commented on his return, so I'd like to just say Welcome Back -- http://www.poogle.co.uk You must have missed his return - round about Christmas IIRC Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Friday 17 January 2003 04:30, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2003 11:30 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Chances are that if the company does survive, then at some point the stocks are going to go back up. That means that the stockholders that have not sold out still stand a chance to profit. --LX Lyvim, want to join me in a bet with anyone else? I've got $10 here that says Mandrake does more than just survive, they come back stronger than ever! :-) Hah! You freeloader! You just want make even more of a profit then the rest of us when their stocks start rising again=:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Civileme
1/17/03 5:15:19 AM, Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised nobody has already commented on his return, so I'd like to just say Welcome Back -- http://www.poogle.co.uk I will second that and add a two thumbs up, a pat on the back, heck if I was a gal I would throw in a kiss on the lips. I subscribed to this list for a while before I ever used Mandrake and the reliable, excellent help that I saw on this list had a lot to do with my decision to go ahead and purchase a powerpack. Don,t get me wrong.There are a lot of great folks on this list but civileme is nothing less than OUTSTANDING, I am shure ALL OF US have missed you. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
1/16/03 10:30:49 PM, Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2003 11:30 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Chances are that if the company does survive, then at some point the stocks are going to go back up. That means that the stockholders that have not sold out still stand a chance to profit. --LX Lyvim, want to join me in a bet with anyone else? I've got $10 here that says Mandrake does more than just survive, they come back stronger than ever! :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ I aint going to bet aginst you. 1 of the things that people here have failed to mention is that Mandrake was within weeks of reaching a berak even point when this event took place and had timing been just a bit different it would not have happened at all. Now with crediters off their back for a little while and probably some debts and payment amounts reduced in a lot of ways they may be better off than they have been in about 2 years. My guess would be that they should start to turn a small profit soon. It has been a hellofa long time since they last did that!! As I see it Mandrake has the best OS around and if they can just grt their act togather a little bit and put some old contracts and debts behind them they can not help but to do well. However I will admit that the next 2 or 3 months will be the critical point. It will be interisting to watch how things go. But if my guess is right in 6 months they will be doing OK and in a year or so may be taking a little bit of business away from Microsoft every day. Hell they are already doing that. Overall if you take all things into consideration they have done a outstanding job to have achived all that they have in such a short time. Just 1 or 2 good breaks and they could be at the top of the heap in the linux world and with Linux growing as fast as it is that aint a bad place to be. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How update from 8.2 to 9.0 with RAID?
On Friday 17 January 2003 05:02 am, Koning, R. (MCB) wrote: Hi all, I very newbie to mailing lists AND linux so just a simple question. I want to upgrade our system from 8.2 to 9.0 but during earlier installation from 8.1 and upgrade to 8.2 we encountered some problems with the RAID system. Now I need to upgrade to 9.0 but I am afraid things are not goint to work. So I first going to back up /home /etc /var and /usr but then? Is our RAID system going to work with Mandrake 9? We have a Supermacro P4-DC6 motherboard with two Xeon P4 (1.7 GHz) processors and RAID 5 (Mylex accelleraid 160) with 2Gb RAM and two I think about 54 Gb HD's. Roman Well first see this: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/90errata.php3 Error scenario: When using raid on / on a machine which previously had raid on /, booting your newly installed system will fail. Why: The installer mangled the /etc/raidtab file when trying to detect existing raid arrays. Solution: Format a floppy disk with a DOS filesystem (in Linux, you can use the command mkdosfs /dev/fd0). Copy patch.pl to the floppy disk. Remove the floppy and reboot using the Mandrake Linux 9.0 CD1 to do a CD-ROM installation. During boot, press F1 at the splash screen, then place your floppy disk that contains patch.pl in the floppy drive. At the prompt, type patch, then follow the installation as usual. But upgrading from 8.2 to 9.0 is definitely not recommended. There will be lots of unupgraded packages because 9.0 was much smaller than 8.2 (fewer folk to accomplish the tasks and total binary incompatibility of packages). I would suggest that you leave the partitioning alone, then install without formatting /home or /var. If you have significant commercial software installed, and you do not have an /opt mount point sitting on its own partition, then make such a partition and set it up in /etc/fstab, but as /opt1, then mount /opt1 cp -a /opt /opt1 rm -r /opt -f #gets rid of old /opt if set up in / or else removes a symlink #to /usr/opt umount /opt1 kedit /etc/fstab #change opt1 to opt and save mount /opt Anyway, after any of that, try a fresh install. I did upgrade from 8.1 to 9.0 and I have many problems in web and mail settings and in DNS and sharing and eventually I had to put in a border firewall because 9.0's scripts would NOT connect me to ADSL at all. This appears to be a GATEWAY problem in /etc/sysconfig/network with the use of pppoe. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On Friday 17 January 2003 06:31 am, Charlie wrote: On January 16, 2003 08:28 pm, Miark wrote: Charlie, The installation does complain that using XFS on / may be a bad idea because the bootdisk image may be too big. Nevertheless, I've been using XFS for a long time, on all partitions, and I have not once had a problem making a boot disk. I remember a few others on this list reporting the same thing. Miark snip Howdy Miark; The complaining from the installer and mkbootdisk about the file system being too large to fit on a floppy was the least of my worries. g I can't remember how long ago I started using the partition scheme that I've been using but I think it was during beta testing for 8.1. It never bothered me and didn't seem to bother whatever release I was playing with until 9.1beta1. The nightmare started when I tried to install 9.1beta1 on the first half of hdb without a boot loader until I could adjust LILO in the 9.0 install. But I couldn't skip the boot loader install, LILO was written into the wrong place (hda instead of hdb) no matter what I tried to make it do, and I couldn't make a boot-disk during install or from a console after first boot. I was also reminded that there was no XFS support by reading the error messages scrolling by on boot, which stopped with a kernel panic. Had to reinstall with a new /home on the same drive since the old one is XFS. I didn't seem to be able to boot from the 9.0 boot-disk and edit either for some reason. Wasn't an fstab problem in 9.0. I checked. After the startx command looped a few times I finally got to the GUI desktop (with no sound) I couldn't figure why the machine's responses were so slow. No unnecessary services enabled, no processes requested out of the ordinary, but the CPU cycles were maxed, the memory was over-cached (opinion) and the swap was as well. Configured K-Mail and had a hell of a time scrolling messages with mouse (buttons or wheel) or keyboard. Default console fonts outrageously oversized. Lots of glitches in other words. I've decided to reformat hda and the back half of hdb (any partition/disk Mandrake plays on) and switch the relevant partitions from XFS to Reiser FS, reinstall 9.0 on hda and try the beta on hdb again. If that still causes me grief I'll just cooker hdb's install and work from there. I really want to beta test this thing. I'm sure it's almost time for a new machine too. Since my old crate's motherboard is starting to lose memory slots and other random woopsies have started to show up. Everyone I know now has a more powerful box than mine. Even my kid's machine makes mine look Jurassic. :-) It's time for this one to become a test box/file server/storage unit. Regards; Actually, Charlie, the bootloader install is only semi-functional on 9.1Beta1. In particular, any adjustments you make to it will be ignored, both during install and if you use control center--Boot Config post-install You cannot even change the boot names. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
Hello, I'm trying to ./configure and install the current version of mysql into Mandrake 9. When I run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql I get this error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Any ideas on what I need? -- Jody Cleveland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Re: [newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
On Friday 17 January 2003 18:58, Jody Cleveland wrote: Hello, I'm trying to ./configure and install the current version of mysql into Mandrake 9. When I run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql I get this error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Any ideas on what I need? You need a c compiler=:o) Install gcc using the 'software manager' in Mandrake Control Center or on the CML: urpmi gcc without the quotes. Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
On Friday 17 January 2003 09:58 am, Jody Cleveland wrote: Hello, I'm trying to ./configure and install the current version of mysql into Mandrake 9. When I run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql I get this error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Any ideas on what I need? urpmi gcc Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 09:33, Mike Larson wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: It's true that if it comes to the 'bitter end' then difficult decisions will have to be made, but I want to address the problem of where our money goes. Much play has been made of the fact that it will go to pay off old debts, as though that were a completely negative position. The reverse is the truth - debts mean interest payments and control by outsiders, both of which are very much against our interest. Only by getting rid of those debts will they have the money and control to pay for the employment of those people we value, and who will in the future provide us with the distros that we want to see. Getting rid of those debts is crucial - make no mistake about it - and cannot therefore be seen as a waste of our money. Anne Sorry Anne, but I disagree. If they thought they could somehow pay off the old debts, they would not have filed for bankruptcy. The _fact_ is that they have filed. Money sent now will go to old debts and be a waste if you are trying to help Mandrake. The purpose of bankruptcy is to reorganize a potentially viable company. What probably will happen is that the reorganized company will have its prior debt wiped out or reorganized into new (and less valuable) debt and/or restructured equity (new stock.which is different from the old, which will probably be wiped out and be worthless). For example, see Worldcom. It has huge debts which will be settled for pennies on the dollar. The stock, once $65.00 is now at $.16, and probably not worth that. When WCOM emerges from bankruptcy, if it does, the debt will be mostly gone and a leaner company, with a chance to survive, will exist. This will not mean much to the old stock and bond holders, who lost their investments (life is not fair). But the company will continue to provide (fewer) jobs and their customers will be served. So, save your money and send it to Mandrake later, if you want to help. Otherwise, you just help Mandrake debtors salvage a little more of their investments. IANAL, so feel free to disagree, Mike Whew, what a mule blinder perspective. Hi, Lyvim. I am not familiar with the term mule blinder perspective, but I assume it is a derogatory term for anyone that disagrees with you. I said above feel free to disagree, not feel free to be insulting. However, often the written word can be misinterperated and if I have done so here, I apologize. :-) To clarify my views: I like and use Mandrake and do think it will survive and come out of this stronger. However, I will wait for the situation to settle out before I send any more money to Mandrake. Where to start on this; guess I'll just pick a place. Like this: Money sent now will go to old debts and be a waste if you are trying to help Mandrake. Money that they recieve is controlled by a judge and HE has the say so about where it goes. One of the first places he looks at is the EMPLOYEE PAYCHECKS. So this statement is more than just false, it's a distortion of the facts. Calm down Lyvim. It is OK to disagree with me, but I think it is unnecessary to accuse me of distorting facts. This will not mean much to the old stock and bond holders, who lost their investments (life is not fair). But the company will continue to provide (fewer) jobs and their customers will be served. The stockholders losing money is contingent on two things: 1) Chapter 11 protection does not work and the company is liquidated. 2) Chapter 11 does work and the company's stocks never increase. Chances are that if the company does survive, then at some point the stocks are going to go back up. That means that the stockholders that have not sold out still stand a chance to profit. Lyvim, you sound like a stockholder, hoping your investment will rebound. I understand, and believe me, I have been there. I hope Mandrake does well and the stock does also. My example was Worldcom and I doubt very much that their original stockholders will ever regain even a small fraction of their prior value . I do not know what will happen with Mandrake, nor am I familiar with the French version of bankruptcy the filed. In the WCOM case, remaining employees continued to be paid. However, money owed to laid off employees (severance packages, etc.) was considered unsecured debt. The judge had to approve any such payments, and they were reduced considerably. Let's just keep our fingers crossed for Mandrake. I am sure we will learn more in the near future. Then we can all make informed decisions. Mike --LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2003 11:30 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Chances are that if the company does survive, then at some point the stocks are going to go back up. That means that the stockholders that have not sold out still stand a chance to profit. --LX Lyvim, want to join me in a bet with anyone else? I've got $10 here that says Mandrake does more than just survive, they come back stronger than ever! :-) Hi Ron, No bet here. I agree that Mandrake will probably be back stronger than ever. Take that betting money and buy Mandrake stock, if it is still trading. It should be cheap after the filing. If wrong, you lose your $10. If right, you could make many times more than the $10. Much better than a bet, I think. :-) Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On January 17, 2003 11:26 am, civileme wrote: snipped with an axeagain Actually, Charlie, the bootloader install is only semi-functional on 9.1Beta1. In particular, any adjustments you make to it will be ignored, both during install and if you use control center--Boot Config post-install You cannot even change the boot names. Civileme Thanks for that Civileme. It's good to know. Manual editing? OK, maybe I should quit griping and do the full cooker thing and skip the beta altogether. Another shiny frisbee for my nieces' kids to fling at my head. Now if I can just remember how to set up a cooker directory (disk space and bandwidth ain't a real problem [g]) and keep it synced I know I saved a copy of the instructions somewhere around here Maybe sometimes disk space _is_ a problem. As in too damned much of it. ;-) Thanks for bein' around again. I'm always appreciative of having another Guru available to help rescue me from my (frequent) brainf@rts. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org I am convinced that the manufacturers of carpet odor removing powder have included encapsulated time released cat urine in their products. This technology must be what prevented its distribution during my mom's reign. My carpet smells like piss, and I don't have a cat. Better go buy some more. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], in alt.conspiracy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
urpmi gcc Thanks! Now I get: Checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap libraries found ? jody Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
On Friday 17 January 2003 10:45 am, Jody Cleveland wrote: urpmi gcc Thanks! Now I get: Checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap libraries found ? jody OK put in your install CD and boot from it when it comes to class of install select EXPERT and UPGRADE (yes upgrade from your current distro to your current distro) It will fuss and cluck for a while then ask for packages tick the one that says Development If you want to compile things you need that. Go on to individual package selection You might just want to click the symbol at the bottom that toggles to the flat list then scroll along and read about the various (and many ) compilers available. gcc, gcc-gnat(ada), cim, smalltalk, etc, and also make sure that EVERYTHING ending in -devel is selected. Then let the update spin--just cancel each of the remaining steps to leave things as they are, or skip them as the case may be. You might want to install some interpreters like expect, ruby, cint, pike, basic-X11 (not all in the distro) and maybe some additional compilers like xbasic (www.xbasic.org) You can have a system that is A B C development small footprint large footprint GUI/Office Choose one from colum A and one from Column B, or Two from column A and one from column C Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] mkd 9.0 source manager question
Hi, I initially installed Mdk 9.0 from the three CDs of the Mandrake Download Edition. A friend has now given me the full Mdk. 9.0 Power Pack with 7 CDs. I would like to now add to my source manager (in the Mandrake Control Center) the extra CDs, in particular the two commercial applications CDs and the supplementary application CD. When I launch the source manager I have the option to add a source (in this case my CDs). There is only one item which puzzles me: what is the 'relative path to systhesis/hdlist:' and why does the documentation suggest that this path be '../base/hdlist2.cz' ? What should I put into the 'relative path' box to have the full 7 CDs as source? Thanks, Andrei __ Linux-Mandrake 9 (Dolphin) Mandrake Club Silver Member Registered Linux user: 226850 Registered Linux computer: 183163 _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 05:58, Jody Cleveland wrote: Hello, I'm trying to ./configure and install the current version of mysql into Mandrake 9. When I run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql I get this error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH Any ideas on what I need? You will need to go back to the software manager in MCC and install all of the dev packages in order to properly compile source tarballs - unless you download the RPM's for it, or use urpmi to get the latest MySQL stuff. -- Sat Jan 18 08:00:00 EST 2003 8:00am up 1 day, 17:43, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.16 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Beware of computerized fortune-tellers! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
says Development If you want to compile things you need that. Go on to individual package selection gcc, gcc-gnat(ada), cim, smalltalk, etc, and also make sure that EVERYTHING ending in -devel is selected. I checked quite a few of the things in there and it's still not working. Do you have a list of the one's I'd need? Jody Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] why mandrake?
On Friday 17 January 2003 02:42 am, you wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 17 Jan 2003 2:19 am, Les Henderson wrote: I'm curious as to why someone would choose mandrake over other distros For me, a straightforward install that recognised all the hardware I need on a regular basis (despite problems with camera and smartmedia reader), and, above all, this list/community, which has helped me learn a lot - and will continue to do so, I believe. Anne I would echo that. John And I would add, the Mandrake toolkit does some stuff that no other distro can match. I can't live without Menudrake and Fontdrake, and last time I installed RH (7.x or something), I had to download CUPS -- absolutely the best printer management/configuration system I've ever used. I've used Debian (started with it, and apt get is even better than urpmi but a dearth of config tools there), a couple of different Caldera's (o.k. distro, actually, but bare bones), a couple of Suse releases (very good, but always a generation behind Mandrake), Corel (don't go there), RH 5,6,7 (installer still sucks, after all these years, and the RH menu structure is completely illogical to me) and every Mandrake from 7.0 to 8.2, including the 486 version of 7 (I don't use 9.0 because I really, really like 8.2, and everything I have works flawlessly with it -- and I probably won't install 9.0-- the next upgrade of kde may spur me to move to the next version of 9 though). And Knoppix, which is really cool to just play around with or to check to see if a computer's hardware is linux compatible. I've also installed Mandrake on several friends machines and it must be easy to use because they are still friends (and they rarely use Windows for anything, any more). e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] vhs to mpg
hi i have some old videos i want to preserve onto a cdrom as the tapes are getting a bit old now they need saving before they get too old... can this be done on linux or is this a win only area if so how is it done and what do i need as i have never done anything like this before, any guidance would be much appreciated.. LtCdData Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] vhs to mpg
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 08:23, Muad^Dib wrote: hi i have some old videos i want to preserve onto a cdrom as the tapes are getting a bit old now they need saving before they get too old... can this be done on linux or is this a win only area if so how is it done and what do i need as i have never done anything like this before, any guidance would be much appreciated.. LtCdData Part of this issue is going to revolve around the hardware. In order to capture from VHS you need to have a video-audio input - either in a graphics adaptor or a multimedia card. This can be done in Windows, Linux or on a Mac - but it's hardware specific. Some high-end multimedia adaptors have all of this functionality built into them - some TV cards (BT848 chipset) also have the ability to do this. I used a BT878 card to transpose VHS of equestrian events into AVI - then after getting and editing what I wanted, transposed the resultant avi into an svcd. So, to answer the question simply, yes, this can be done in linux - BUT it's hardware that's required - if you don't already have it. -- Sat Jan 18 08:50:00 EST 2003 8:50am up 1 day, 18:33, 4 users, load average: 0.41, 0.63, 0.44 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- QOTD: There may be no excuse for laziness, but I'm sure looking. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] no acceptable C compiler?
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 08:35, Jody Cleveland wrote: says Development If you want to compile things you need that. Go on to individual package selection gcc, gcc-gnat(ada), cim, smalltalk, etc, and also make sure that EVERYTHING ending in -devel is selected. I checked quite a few of the things in there and it's still not working. Do you have a list of the one's I'd need? Jody Did you get all the ncurses stuff? Because that's going to be needed... -- Sat Jan 18 08:55:00 EST 2003 8:55am up 1 day, 18:38, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.24, 0.32 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- It's my cookie file and if I come up with something that's lame and I like it, it goes in. -- karl (Karl Lehenbauer) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Friday 17 Jan 2003 7:40 pm, Mike Larson wrote: Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2003 11:30 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Chances are that if the company does survive, then at some point the stocks are going to go back up. That means that the stockholders that have not sold out still stand a chance to profit. --LX Lyvim, want to join me in a bet with anyone else? I've got $10 here that says Mandrake does more than just survive, they come back stronger than ever! :-) Hi Ron, No bet here. I agree that Mandrake will probably be back stronger than ever. Take that betting money and buy Mandrake stock, if it is still trading. It should be cheap after the filing. If wrong, you lose your $10. If right, you could make many times more than the $10. Much better than a bet, I think. :-) Don't think you have that option, though. As far as I understand it, all share dealing is frozen during the Chapter 11 period. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] DeCSS
I would have thought that after the ruling last week that it is perfectly reasonable and legal to watch videos that you have bought and paid for, it would now be easy to find information about DeCSS, but it turns out not to be so. Since I find that my DVD player will play some disks and not others I decided that now was the time to look at this, but all the addresses I have seen seem to have been taken off the websites, closed down or moved away. Assuming this is no longer liable to embarrass Mandrake in any way, can anyone, on list or offlist, point me at a source? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DeCSS
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:09, Anne Wilson wrote: I would have thought that after the ruling last week that it is perfectly reasonable and legal to watch videos that you have bought and paid for, it would now be easy to find information about DeCSS, but it turns out not to be so. Since I find that my DVD player will play some disks and not others I decided that now was the time to look at this, but all the addresses I have seen seem to have been taken off the websites, closed down or moved away. Assuming this is no longer liable to embarrass Mandrake in any way, can anyone, on list or offlist, point me at a source? Anne Anne, as I'm sure you know, nothing is going to stop anyone from either making copies of their DVD's or whatever - so it's just a matter of digging a bit deeper. Is it that you want a particular lib? -- Sat Jan 18 09:20:00 EST 2003 9:20am up 1 day, 19:03, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.10, 0.13 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- A Mexican newspaper reports that bored Royal Air Force pilots stationed on the Falkland Islands have devised what they consider a marvelous new game. Noting that the local penguins are fascinated by airplanes, the pilots search out a beach where the birds are gathered and fly slowly along it at the water's edge. Perhaps ten thousand penguins turn their heads in unison watching the planes go by, and when the pilots turn around and fly back, the birds turn their heads in the opposite direction, like spectators at a slow-motion tennis match. Then, the paper reports The pilots fly out to sea and directly to the penguin colony and overfly it. Heads go up, up, up, and ten thousand penguins fall over gently onto their backs. -- Audobon Society Magazine Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
Lyvim Xaphir wrote at Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:58: Not only that, Miark...but more importantly he is suggesting that there be a fork of the Mandrake distro using of course Mandrake GPL'd distro packages and code. This is a very dangerous suggestion in the here and now, when the new Mandrake management team has not even had a chance to prove itself, it's direction, and it's attitude yet. In short, it seems premature and very disloyal, no matter what Ben Reser's claims to the contrary. I think Mandrakesoft should be given time to prove itself before somebody kicks them when they are down. It is an extremely poorly timed article which discredits itself with it's timing, no matter how good the negative points may be. Things don't happen overnight. There's still not a fork. There is still an opportunity for the staff to prove itself. You would have a point if I was setting up mirrors, CVS servers, build machines etc... instead of writing emails clarifying my position. Rather I've spent more time clarifying the position than I have getting my regular work done (which has nothing to do with Mandrake or a fork). Another point that I saw as completely off base from an entrepreneurial perspective was his scheme on pricing. To put it succinctly, it is completely backwards. If you undervalue your product's pricing, then it will be percieved as being of a lower value. If the product's pricing is higher, then it is percieved as being of higher value. Reser proposes lowering Mandrake's boxed set pricing even lower, even in the light of the financial situation of the company!!! Think about that, and while you do, consider the price of XP which is a far inferior product to Mandrake, and also consider that M$ is a profitable company making money off an inferior and defective version of spyware disguised as a half baked OS. Now then does it make sense to devalue your own honest, straightforward, robust and superior product?? This is the first mistake that young entrepreneurs make when starting their businesses. I've seen it happen nearly hundreds of times in startups; inexperienced startup peeps underpricing their stuff out of fear. If you underprice your stuff then your customers will undervalue your stuff. This not only applies to merchandise, but also to hourly labor; especially so in fact. You may not believe it but I just got off the phone six hours ago talking to a firm partner giving this very same advice cause they were making the very same mistakes. How are they doing? They are backsliding financially. And so will every other firm that makes this mistake; including mine. Seven years ago I learned the hard way. AnywayMandrake needs to keep their product priced at the level that it's worth, but within reach of the regular consumer. This to me means a compromise between the cost of some high priced winblows bullsh*t and the pocketbook of the middle class American. You assume that the solution in my mind to the a lack of value that I see in their product is to decrease price. Rather I think they should increase the value. If that means not releasing ISOs until after the boxed copies have been shipping for a while... then so be it. There are a variety of techniques Mandrake could use to increase the value of their boxed copies over the download edition. Most of which would mean giving less of their work away for free. I have mixed feelings about some of these changes. But I do think the value proposition for Mandrake's commercial offerings is weak. You assume incorrect that I'm an unexperienced entrepreneur. I'm well aware of the link between price and market perception. When I sold Universal Commerce, Inc. to Digital River in 1999 we had one of the more expensive transaction processing services. The business is still operating to this day, with roughly the same pricing and for a long time was the only profitable portion of their business... -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Civileme
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 12:51, Marc wrote: 1/17/03 5:15:19 AM, Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised nobody has already commented on his return, so I'd like to just say Welcome Back -- http://www.poogle.co.uk I will second that and add a two thumbs up, a pat on the back, heck if I was a gal I would throw in a kiss on the lips. I subscribed to this list for a while before I ever used Mandrake and the reliable, excellent help that I saw on this list had a lot to do with my decision to go ahead and purchase a powerpack. Don,t get me wrong.There are a lot of great folks on this list but civileme is nothing less than OUTSTANDING, I am shure ALL OF US have missed you. Marc I'll second all that, except for the kiss on the lips thing. ;) One thing that's incredible about civileme (IMO) is that he always has the big picture in mind, and is not shy about sharing his views on the issues on the Mandrake lists here, especially if he sees someone else who may be producing a pov that doesn't have the whole set of facts. Some moderators put on mule blinders and have a tunnel vision about peripheral issues, perhaps in order to simplify the discussions on the list. In so doing, those moderators sometimes exclude peripheral issues that can suddenly and shockingly become central to everyone's interest, no matter how technical those list members may be; when prior examination of those topics could have sparked public awareness that would have headded off this sudden and shocking turn of events. This is how alligators sneak up and bite you in the a$$. The people that really should be listening to those topics have mule blinders on and don't see. (until they are shown; no matter how much they complain.) Civileme knows the difference between a topic that's truly irrevelant to the list population and one that is not. Being not shy about his political views in this forum makes for extremely interesting reading. --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 14:32, Mike Larson wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Whew, what a mule blinder perspective. Hi, Lyvim. I am not familiar with the term mule blinder perspective, but I assume it is a derogatory term for anyone that disagrees with you. I was raised in the countryside of the coastal plain of the Atlantic side of the US, which is a very beautiful place to be from, btw. In our region, it's not a derogatory term, it's used (evidenly only by peeps from my area) to describe what the panorama of a scene looks like when your peripheral vision is blinded, and you can only see what's ahead. I often use the term to describe my mental state to others when I'm diagnosing hardware or some system problem. Mule blinders are excellent for solving problems because your concentration is enhanced and sharply focused; however they not good for social occasions when more than one person is there and the conversation wanders from topic to topic. In your case, I used it to describe your apparent consideration of the Mandrake dilemma from a select negative pov. I said above feel free to disagree, not feel free to be insulting. However, often the written word can be misinterperated and if I have done so here, I apologize. :-) No insult meant, I assure you; it was only descriptive. And no apology is needed; it is evident I did not moderate my text enough. As I said, my friends hear mule blinders from me alot. To clarify my views: I like and use Mandrake and do think it will survive and come out of this stronger. However, I will wait for the situation to settle out before I send any more money to Mandrake. I believe it is your right to do with your money just as you please, just as it is my right to go out and buy an SUV with mine if I like, no matter what certain wacko twits might say to the otherwise. A person's money is their money and THEY make the determinations about it. That's one reason I'm definitely a Republican, and best buddies with Libertarians. Where to start on this; guess I'll just pick a place. Like this: Money sent now will go to old debts and be a waste if you are trying to help Mandrake. Money that they recieve is controlled by a judge and HE has the say so about where it goes. One of the first places he looks at is the EMPLOYEE PAYCHECKS. So this statement is more than just false, it's a distortion of the facts. Calm down Lyvim. It is OK to disagree with me, but I think it is unnecessary to accuse me of distorting facts. Here we might part ways for a bit, however; because as you stated above, Money sent now will go to old debts and be a waste. While some money sent will go to old debts, not all money sent will go to old debts. This to me is definitely a distortion of the facts; but then you also say that it will be a waste. Now admittedly that is obviously an opinion; however it is just more inflammatory in regard to how things really are legally. The stockholders losing money is contingent on two things: 1) Chapter 11 protection does not work and the company is liquidated. 2) Chapter 11 does work and the company's stocks never increase. Chances are that if the company does survive, then at some point the stocks are going to go back up. That means that the stockholders that have not sold out still stand a chance to profit. Lyvim, you sound like a stockholder, hoping your investment will rebound. I understand, and believe me, I have been there. I hope Mandrake does well and the stock does also. I'm not a stockholder (yet) but I wish I was, because I do believe in the company. In another way I'm glad I'm not one, because then I am certain that people would point at me and say that my pov was tainted and that the reasons I was taking the time to write all that I have written was because of selfish reasons. I write what I write because I believe it, not because I stand to get monetary gain. Further, I believe that Mandrake will help the human race at large; because of statements like that, oftimes in the past I've been looked at as an employee of Mandrake; I'm not. And if I was, I feel strongly that it would be used as a weapon against me to obfuscate the things that I do state, which admittedly are kinda strong things at times. But that merely reflects the passion with which I do believe, which comes from knowledge and life experiences, and is not some kind of rabid thoughtless fanaticsm born out of chaos or misinformation. Or worse yet, liberalism. ;) My example was Worldcom and I doubt very much that their original stockholders will ever regain even a small fraction of their prior value. I do not know what will happen with Mandrake, nor am I familiar with the French version of bankruptcy the filed. In the WCOM case, remaining employees continued to be paid. However, money owed to laid off employees (severance packages, etc.) was considered unsecured debt. The judge had to approve
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
Vahur Lokk wrote on Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:54: I read his proposal in a little bit different way. Supporters of Mandrake are currently doing big efforts to keep the company alive but it is true that our money goes to cover old debts, not to develop a new better distro. Ben shows a way to get rid of these old problems without losing our beloved distro. In the bitter end, if Mandrakesoft cannot survive, it will be the _only_ way. We are fortunate. Unlike many other distros Mandrake community is strong enough to have this option. Can it result in a fork? Yes it can. Think how different is our understanding of the same text. Is a fork dangerous? Yes it is. Mandrake community might be strong but splitting into two will weaken it significantly. Therefore timing is vital in taking real action. But being (at least mentally) prepared for that will help. Thank you. This is along the lines of what I intended by my article. It was an effort to create some discussion in the community about our options. It's obviously achieved that effect. Unfortunately, shortly after it was published things changed drastically. The bankruptcy filing offers an alternative opportunity out of the financial situation Mandrakesoft is in. It was certainly one that I considered. However, the Mandrake Community could not take that step. I am as interested in the coming months what Mandrakesoft will do to deal with these challenges. The bankruptcy filing gives me some hope that they will be able to survive without spending millions of euros towards things that don't really benefit the community. But ultimately, what got us here was poor business management. No matter how much I like the product, I will not desperately try to save a dying company. If it survives great. But I will not be standing there doing CPR on it. Especially, not when there is an alternative, as I presented, for the community. We'll all just have to wait and see what happens over the next few months. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Civileme
On Friday 17 Jan 2003 9:22 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 12:51, Marc wrote: 1/17/03 5:15:19 AM, Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised nobody has already commented on his return, so I'd like to just say Welcome Back -- http://www.poogle.co.uk I will second that and add a two thumbs up, a pat on the back, heck if I was a gal I would throw in a kiss on the lips. I subscribed to this list for a while before I ever used Mandrake and the reliable, excellent help that I saw on this list had a lot to do with my decision to go ahead and purchase a powerpack. Don,t get me wrong.There are a lot of great folks on this list but civileme is nothing less than OUTSTANDING, I am shure ALL OF US have missed you. Marc I'll second all that, except for the kiss on the lips thing. ;) One thing that's incredible about civileme (IMO) is that he always has the big picture in mind, and is not shy about sharing his views on the issues on the Mandrake lists here, especially if he sees someone else who may be producing a pov that doesn't have the whole set of facts. Some moderators put on mule blinders and have a tunnel vision about peripheral issues, perhaps in order to simplify the discussions on the list. In so doing, those moderators sometimes exclude peripheral issues that can suddenly and shockingly become central to everyone's interest, no matter how technical those list members may be; when prior examination of those topics could have sparked public awareness that would have headded off this sudden and shocking turn of events. This is how alligators sneak up and bite you in the a$$. The people that really should be listening to those topics have mule blinders on and don't see. (until they are shown; no matter how much they complain.) Civileme knows the difference between a topic that's truly irrevelant to the list population and one that is not. Being not shy about his political views in this forum makes for extremely interesting reading. --LX To say nothing of the fact that he has so much respect here that he is listened to as an authority as no-one else can be. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Friday 17 Jan 2003 10:33 pm, Ben Reser wrote: Vahur Lokk wrote on Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:54: I read his proposal in a little bit different way. Supporters of Mandrake are currently doing big efforts to keep the company alive but it is true that our money goes to cover old debts, not to develop a new better distro. Ben shows a way to get rid of these old problems without losing our beloved distro. In the bitter end, if Mandrakesoft cannot survive, it will be the _only_ way. We are fortunate. Unlike many other distros Mandrake community is strong enough to have this option. Can it result in a fork? Yes it can. Think how different is our understanding of the same text. Is a fork dangerous? Yes it is. Mandrake community might be strong but splitting into two will weaken it significantly. Therefore timing is vital in taking real action. But being (at least mentally) prepared for that will help. Thank you. This is along the lines of what I intended by my article. It was an effort to create some discussion in the community about our options. It's obviously achieved that effect. Unfortunately, shortly after it was published things changed drastically. The bankruptcy filing offers an alternative opportunity out of the financial situation Mandrakesoft is in. It was certainly one that I considered. However, the Mandrake Community could not take that step. I am as interested in the coming months what Mandrakesoft will do to deal with these challenges. The bankruptcy filing gives me some hope that they will be able to survive without spending millions of euros towards things that don't really benefit the community. But ultimately, what got us here was poor business management. But do bear in mind that it was not the current management that made those decisions, but the management put in by the venture capitalists, who, true to type, got out again when they found no quick buck, leaving a trail of devastation. No matter how much I like the product, I will not desperately try to save a dying company. If it survives great. But I will not be standing there doing CPR on it. Especially, not when there is an alternative, as I presented, for the community. We'll all just have to wait and see what happens over the next few months. Nothing more we can do, other than keeping positive until events prove otherwise. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:40:34 Miark wrote: Despite today's date, he doesn't know what's going on with Mandrake's bankruptcy. He complains about the low value of boxed Linux-Mandrake, and say that Mandrake Club is useless and that votes mean nothing. He's suggesting mutiny against Mandrake because it's a for-profit organization. Dude, whatever. This article is a waste of bits. It's odd that someone from the same timezone as myself can't imagine that the article was published on the same day but before the announcement came out. The article was published at: Jan 15 01:36 PST according to the timestamp on the file... That's 10:36 am CET (Paris time). I'm not sure exactly what time Mandrake published their announcement but it didn't show on /. until 10:05 am PST. About 9 hours after my article was written. So unless I'm a time traveler I couldn't have possibly have known about the bankruptcy filing. Further, I'd been writing the article since the 29th of December. It's timing was simply conicidence. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
Anne Wilson wrote on 16 Jan 2003, 9:41 It's true that if it comes to the 'bitter end' then difficult decisions will have to be made, but I want to address the problem of where our money goes. Much play has been made of the fact that it will go to pay off old debts, as though that were a completely negative position. The reverse is the truth - debts mean interest payments and control by outsiders, both of which are very much against our interest. Only by getting rid of those debts will they have the money and control to pay for the employment of those people we value, and who will in the future provide us with the distros that we want to see. Getting rid of those debts is crucial - make no mistake about it - and cannot therefore be seen as a waste of our money. Well yes and no. If you make the assumption that we need Mandrakesoft then no it's not a waste of our money. My point was that we don't *NEED* Mandrakesoft. It may be desirable to have them around for reasons of selling the boxed sets, relationships with OEM, etc... But as far as the community having the distribution, Mandrakesoft's continued existence is not a prerequisite. As far as outside control. Mandrakesoft gave up control the instant they started taking VC money and started selling their stock on a public market. The company is in the hands of shareholders now (myself included). However, most of these shareholders are undoubtably not Free Software advocates. They are simply business people trying to make money on a market. Paying off the debts gets debtors off Mandrake's back. It will not get the shareholders off their backs. Unless they find money to buy back those shares, they'll never be free of that encumbrance as a company. Now the fact that they are public shouldn't necessarily be construed as negative. Free software is an unusual business model the world has never really dealt with before. It doesn't mean it can't work, but it does mean it might take some unusual business structures to make it work. The disadvantages of a public company is that shareholders are normally very nervous of unusual business structures. Ultimately, this fear will slow the companies moves down. The question is then, will they be able to move fast enough to survive in spite of this? This is a question to which I do not have the answer. Though we will all find out with time. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 17:25, Ben Reser wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote at Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:58: Not only that, Miark...but more importantly he is suggesting that there be a fork of the Mandrake distro using of course Mandrake GPL'd distro packages and code. This is a very dangerous suggestion in the here and now, when the new Mandrake management team has not even had a chance to prove itself, it's direction, and it's attitude yet. In short, it seems premature and very disloyal, no matter what Ben Reser's claims to the contrary. I think Mandrakesoft should be given time to prove itself before somebody kicks them when they are down. It is an extremely poorly timed article which discredits itself with it's timing, no matter how good the negative points may be. Things don't happen overnight. There's still not a fork. There is still an opportunity for the staff to prove itself. You would have a point if I was setting up mirrors, CVS servers, build machines etc... instead of writing emails clarifying my position. Rather I've spent more time clarifying the position than I have getting my regular work done (which has nothing to do with Mandrake or a fork). Welcome to the list. g I note with considerable interest that this is the first post by you that I've ever seen, and my mail (in this incarnation) goes back to 2000. So I'm honored. ;) Another point that I saw as completely off base from an entrepreneurial perspective was his scheme on pricing. To put it succinctly, it is completely backwards. If you undervalue your product's pricing, then it will be percieved as being of a lower value. If the product's pricing is higher, then it is percieved as being of higher value. Reser proposes lowering Mandrake's boxed set pricing even lower, even in the light of the financial situation of the company!!! Think about that, and while you do, consider the price of XP which is a far inferior product to Mandrake, and also consider that M$ is a profitable company making money off an inferior and defective version of spyware disguised as a half baked OS. Now then does it make sense to devalue your own honest, straightforward, robust and superior product?? This is the first mistake that young entrepreneurs make when starting their businesses. I've seen it happen nearly hundreds of times in startups; inexperienced startup peeps underpricing their stuff out of fear. If you underprice your stuff then your customers will undervalue your stuff. This not only applies to merchandise, but also to hourly labor; especially so in fact. You may not believe it but I just got off the phone six hours ago talking to a firm partner giving this very same advice cause they were making the very same mistakes. How are they doing? They are backsliding financially. And so will every other firm that makes this mistake; including mine. Seven years ago I learned the hard way. AnywayMandrake needs to keep their product priced at the level that it's worth, but within reach of the regular consumer. This to me means a compromise between the cost of some high priced winblows bullsh*t and the pocketbook of the middle class American. You assume that the solution in my mind to the a lack of value that I see in their product is to decrease price. Rather I think they should increase the value. If that means not releasing ISOs until after the boxed copies have been shipping for a while... then so be it. There are a variety of techniques Mandrake could use to increase the value of their boxed copies over the download edition. Most of which would mean giving less of their work away for free. I have mixed feelings about some of these changes. But I do think the value proposition for Mandrake's commercial offerings is weak. WellI agree that there should be an increase in value, however it still remains true that this distro has more value to offer than just about any other one out there (yeah, I'm going out on a limb again here) according to Distrowatch. Also according to everything else I've seen and heard so far. This is something that should definitely not be ignored when you are considering the pricing of a product. I certainly don't think that the current situation(s), either with the company or the quality, suggest that the product should be priced beneath current levels. At the same time I do agree that downloadable ISO's have an effect; I'm just not convinced that it is a negative one. Mandrake would not be in trouble right now if it were not for the e-training debt crap; hell, they *were* showing a profit. You assume incorrect that I'm an unexperienced entrepreneur. I'm well aware of the link between price and market perception. When I sold Universal Commerce, Inc. to Digital River in 1999 we had one of the more expensive transaction processing services. The business is still operating to this day, with roughly
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
If you folk have checked other distros lately, I think you will find that few if any are as mature as this one in as many areas. I might think of making my own distro using Mandrake as a base if this one goes bust, but switching to any of the others? Forget it. I am here cause this one was friendly at a personal, technical, and corporate level, and the others were decidedly unfriendly at one or more of those levels. If you have ever asked a question on a RH flame errr... help list, you know very well what I mean. S.u.S.E. is so far from GPL that I would never consider them, though they seem evil enough to be propped up by IBM and Intel to the tune of more than $45 million (Mandrake needs less than a tenth of that). This is an important context to put the article I wrote in. If I thought their was a better alternative to move to I would have just moved. But the fact is the alternatives are either: a) Technically insufficent. b) Have closed development processes. c) Laking a good community. d) Simply a pain to install and use. This is a summary, I won't mention names or point fingers to avoid turning this into xyz distro suxxors. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Friday 17 Jan 2003 10:43 pm, Ben Reser wrote: Anne Wilson wrote on 16 Jan 2003, 9:41 As far as outside control. Mandrakesoft gave up control the instant they started taking VC money and started selling their stock on a public market. The company is in the hands of shareholders now (myself included). However, most of these shareholders are undoubtably not Free Software advocates. They are simply business people trying to make money on a market. Paying off the debts gets debtors off Mandrake's back. It will not get the shareholders off their backs. Unless they find money to buy back those shares, they'll never be free of that encumbrance as a company. On what do you base this statement? I'm a shareholder, too, and I have never seen anything to suggest that the shareholders are, in fact, on their backs. The kind of shareholders you are talking about have been too nervy to put money in, which hasn't helped Mandrake's short-term need, but is probably better for them in the long term. And before I'm accused of talking Mandrake up to safeguard my investment, let me say that from the start I accepted that Mandrake were not in a strong financial position and I could lose the lot. I went in because I liked both the distro and the ethics of Mandrake, and happened to have a sum at that moment that I could gamble without worry. I chose to spend it on them rather than an extra holiday or some other unnecessary luxury. Now the fact that they are public shouldn't necessarily be construed as negative. Free software is an unusual business model the world has never really dealt with before. It doesn't mean it can't work, but it does mean it might take some unusual business structures to make it work. The disadvantages of a public company is that shareholders are normally very nervous of unusual business structures. Ultimately, this fear will slow the companies moves down. You could be right, if they are business investors. We really don't know enough about this to make judgements. The question is then, will they be able to move fast enough to survive in spite of this? This is a question to which I do not have the answer. Though we will all find out with time. My feeling is that the courts will decide the pace. That is, they will control the financial decisions. Hopefully this will enable the team to get on with what they are best at, developing a distro. Despite the struggles people have with betas, often forgetting that they are in fact betas, we like what we get. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Civileme
On Friday 17 January 2003 21:22, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I'll second all that, except for the kiss on the lips thing. ;) One thing that's incredible about civileme (IMO) is that he always has the big picture in mind, and is not shy about sharing his views on the issues on the Mandrake lists here, especially if he sees someone else who may be producing a pov that doesn't have the whole set of facts. Some moderators put on mule blinders and have a tunnel vision about peripheral issues, perhaps in order to simplify the discussions on the list. I had to read this twice but I savvy:o) In so doing, those moderators sometimes exclude peripheral issues that can suddenly and shockingly become central to everyone's interest, no matter how technical those list members may be; when prior examination of those topics could have sparked public awareness that would have headded off this sudden and shocking turn of events. I've read this double twice (4) but: no savvy:o( But then, I'm not native English. This is how alligators sneak up and bite you in the a$$. The people that really should be listening to those topics have mule blinders on and don't see. (until they are shown; no matter how much they complain.) Civileme knows the difference between a topic that's truly irrevelant to the list population and one that is not. Being not shy about his political views in this forum makes for extremely interesting reading. --LX Heheheh! Now that you've explained mule blinders don't overdo it:o) I didn't want to comment on Civilemes coming back 'cause I liked the way he's just carrying on as if he's never been away. Aside from that I still have good remembrances of how Till (Kampeter) roamed these same lists in the early times of cups introduction helping us out as best he could. And not forgetting what Vincent (Danen) does in the same fashion these days for his specialties on the (expertnewbie) lists. I'm sure there's more but they come to mind now. Let's give civileme the 'welcome back' he deserves and salute the other guru's still here and gone. Civileme, Hope you're here to stay, feels like a lost friend coming back. Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Friday 17 January 2003 01:24 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: Hah! You freeloader! You just want make even more of a profit then the rest of us when their stocks start rising again=:o) Good luck, HarM Hehehehehehe -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:58:38PM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On what do you base this statement? I'm a shareholder, too, and I have never seen anything to suggest that the shareholders are, in fact, on their backs. The kind of shareholders you are talking about have been too nervy to put money in, which hasn't helped Mandrake's short-term need, but is probably better for them in the long term. And before I'm accused of talking Mandrake up to safeguard my investment, let me say that from the start I accepted that Mandrake were not in a strong financial position and I could lose the lot. I went in because I liked both the distro and the ethics of Mandrake, and happened to have a sum at that moment that I could gamble without worry. I chose to spend it on them rather than an extra holiday or some other unnecessary luxury. Anne, there is no way the majority of the shareholders are people like you and I. We make up a minute portion of the funding. If you refer to Mandrakesoft's web page about the company you will note rather large venture investors. These are undoubtably the people who installed the executives that got us in this mess... As far as I know those people are still shareholders. Yes this is an assumption. But Mandrake would have to have incurred significant debt to buy out these shareholders. What we know of the debt suggests it was more of contracts not share buybacks. I have no reason to doubt your honest intentions. You could be right, if they are business investors. We really don't know enough about this to make judgements. We know some info from here: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/about ABN AMRO, Vivendi... those are definately business investors. I can't say I'm familiar with the rest. I would guess they've made significant investments in order to get their name on that page. I know neither yours nor my name show up on that page. :) My feeling is that the courts will decide the pace. That is, they will control the financial decisions. Hopefully this will enable the team to get on with what they are best at, developing a distro. Despite the struggles people have with betas, often forgetting that they are in fact betas, we like what we get. I have no idea really how French bankruptcy works. So I'm not sure. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Help! I lost my /boot partition
I accidentally deleted my /boot partition. I had a couple of them and deleted my newer one instead of the old one. Is there any way of making a new one? I tried installing mandrake 9 to another couple of partitions and then change lilo so that root is mounted as my old linux partition. When I do this it starts to boot but freezes while bringing up eth1 ( a wireless card). What am I missing? Is there anything else I need to change? Thanks in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! I lost my /boot partition
On Friday 17 January 2003 23:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I accidentally deleted my /boot partition. I had a couple of them and deleted my newer one instead of the old one. Is there any way of making a new one? I tried installing mandrake 9 to another couple of partitions and then change lilo so that root is mounted as my old linux partition. When I do this it starts to boot but freezes while bringing up eth1 ( a wireless card). What am I missing? Is there anything else I need to change? Thanks in advance. Its not quite clear how your system is setup, but: If you just want to recreate the specific /boot partition why not just 'upgrade' the then connected / partition (i.e. install with itself)? When asked let the offending /boot partition be formatted as well so that it gets installed again. If you're comfortable editing /etc/lilo.conf, do so it'll be quicker! +++ On the other hand: This freezing of eth1 suggests there's an eth0 that does get brought up correctly. So check 'dmesg' and /var/log/syslog what they have to say about that. Be sure to get that info fom the right partitions as I gather from the multiple /boot partitions you've got -- there's more than one linux-install on that box. Good Luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] vhs to mpg
On Friday 17 January 2003 16:55, Stephen Kuhn wrote: I used a BT878 card to transpose VHS of equestrian events into AVI If this was in Linux, what software did you use? Thank you. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 8.0 Professional KDE 3.0.0 KMail 1.4 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
