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On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 15:25, JoeHill wrote:
 On 20 Jun 2003 15:26:02 +1000
 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
  I'm borrowing Elric's fave.
 
 what was that?

Stormbringer.

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[newbie] Ooooh, SCO, it all comes out. You are sooooo fsckd.


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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

At 12:38 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:20:53 -0600
FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 a) i live in canada.

shite, all this time i thought you were in Britain! the telusplanet
should have given it away, yer not out in Alberta are ya?
 b) Orrin can suck my strap-on

I love you.

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ROFL you already loved me! :)  but you're sweety anyway.

yes i'm in alberta... home of queers, steers  repressive 
dictatorships.   See: Gay marriage issue. Sigh
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Re: [newbie] Ooooh, SCO, it all comes out. You are sooooo fsckd.

On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 16:29, JoeHill wrote:
 http://newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=31552threshold=0commentsort=0mode=threadtid=cid=56501

...and to think that SCO THINKS they'll be able to glean $3 billion from
IBM...ow...wonder how many shareholders are beginning to re-evaluate
their stance?

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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

At 03:03 PM 6/20/2003 +1000, you wrote:
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 10:39, FemmeFatale wrote:
 At 09:28 AM 6/20/2003 +1000, you wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 02:28, Miark wrote:
   You should get Quake III--it really rocks rocks, using the Winblows 
CD with
   the Linux installer. Much less trouble to install than Quake II.
  
   Miark
 
 So when can I expect the QuakeIII CD to arrive, Miark?

 it can be on my ftp.  I odn't use it anymore.

 -
 FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt

Oy - she's got an FTP site she dunna use! Great place for side-loading
pr0n movies!
U wish... lol

its a freaking laptop...with little more than a gig left of space.  I don't 
use Q3 anymore... I do use my ftp. :D  Sorry luv  you're outta luck there 
heh.  Offer stands however... if you want it i'll ISO my copy for you.
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Re: [newbie] Forbes can @$ my #$

At 01:28 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On 19 Jun 2003 22:19:50 -0700
Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 I want the Morningstar!

Did you ever see this really crappy movie, ages old, musta been like
197x, called The Sword and the Sorcerer?
The guy had this sword with three blades, at the time I thought it was
the coolest thing ever.
When I played DND, I once had this sword that was all black void with
stars in it, anyone remember what that was called?
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Morning Reaver.

IIRC.  Yes I saw it.  Dont' rememeber the exact name of the sword but thats 
what comes to mind...mind you i've seen tons of films like it  played ADD 
for years.  Never liked DD much..but i played it to placate an old 
g/f.  Shrugs.
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Re: [newbie] quickrip and pyqt

2003-06-20 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons





revolt wrote:
Charles A
Edwards wrote: 
  
  On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:02 -0600 
revolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


 

Couldn't load PyQT module! Check it's
installed properly. 
 


Do you have PyQt installed? 


 Charles 

 

  
urpmi installed PyQt-3.5-1.mdk for me. I have been looking for a newer
version without any luck so far. I checked the frequent problems page
which wasn't much help (I do not want to compile it from source if
possible, since I have rarely had much luck compiling stuff in the
past.) 
  
Have you had any luck with this software under mdk 9.1? Has anyone else
who might be reading this? 

I can't help you with quickrip, but I'd like to suggest another program
called DVD:Rip. Here's a link to a short tutorial on how to get it
started:
http://www.trylinuxsd.com/dvd/pages/page16.html

Here the program's home page:
http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/

The following is the way to get DVD:Rip as well as a large number of
other updates and miscellaneous programs.

Copy and paste the lines with quotation marks around them in a terminal
logged in as root.

Add the sources to urpmi:
"urpmi.addmedia  plf ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/9.1 with
hdlist.cz"

"urpmi.addmedia  main
rsync://mirrors.usc.edu::mandrake/9.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with
../base/hdlist.cz"
  
"urpmi.addmedia  contrib
rsync://mirrors.usc.edu::mandrake/9.1/contrib/RPMS with
../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz"
  
"urpmi.addmedia --update updates
rsync://mirrors.usc.edu::mandrake/updates/9.1/RPMS/ with
../base/hdlist.cz"
  
"urpmi.addmedia  texstar
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms
with hdlist.cz"


This will add the sources titled plf, main, contrib, texstar, and
updates. With this combination you will be able to get the most recent
version of DVD:Rip, and it's dependencies, packaged for Mandrake.

Note that some of the sources use rsync instead of ftp. This will make
it much faster in the future when you want to update. When it
downloads the list file that describes the files available for download
it will only need to download the changes in the list file, not the
whole thing.

Download and install the program and all of it's dependencies:
"urpmi -va dvdrip css2 divx4linux"

That should do it. Just follow the directions in the tutorial linked
to above after everything is installed.

If you already about all of the urpmi sources and about rsync and all
that I apologize. It's very late and I need sleep. If I have
forgotten anything I apologize as it's very late and I need sleep.  :-) 

Good luck.

-- 
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Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being
self-evident."
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Re: [newbie] quickrip and pyqt

2003-06-20 Thread H.J.Bathoorn

On Friday 20 June 2003 05:23, revolt wrote:
 Charles A Edwards wrote:
 On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:02 -0600
 
 revolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Couldn't load PyQT module! Check it's installed properly.
 
 Do you have PyQt installed?
 
 
 Charles

 urpmi installed PyQt-3.5-1.mdk for me. I have been looking for a newer
 version without any luck so far. I checked the frequent problems page
 which wasn't much help (I do not want to compile it from source if
 possible, since I have rarely had much luck compiling stuff in the past.)

 Have you had any luck with this software under mdk 9.1? Has anyone else
 who might be reading this?

Where did you get the quickrip.rpm?

I couldn't find one..quickrip will not install (using the install.sh)on my 
machine stating that PyQt isn't installed. Of course it is installed and so 
are libsip and sip:o(
The error messages are the same as yours though.boiling down to the 
(python)module libsip not being found.
Checking the python modules [go into the python shell; type help and then 
modules(), which will give you a list of all available modules] there 
indeed isn't a libsip module on my machine.

Personally I don't have any time available right now (got to make a living) 
but methinks you (and me) should be checking the libsip installation.

Frankly I thought libsip were only libraries, not modules. 

Anybody any wiser comments??

Good luck,
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Re: [newbie] Forbes can @$ my #$

2003-06-20 Thread Aron Smith

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 23:57, FemmeFatale wrote:
 At 01:28 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote
Actualy I would prefer the Glockinspiel Sword   in Sos The Rope by
Piers Anthony.
 :
 On 19 Jun 2003 22:19:50 -0700
 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
   I want the Morningstar!
 
 Did you ever see this really crappy movie, ages old, musta been like
 197x, called The Sword and the Sorcerer?
 
 The guy had this sword with three blades, at the time I thought it was
 the coolest thing ever.
 
 When I played DND, I once had this sword that was all black void with
 stars in it, anyone remember what that was called?
 
 --
 + Joe Hill
 
 Morning Reaver.
 
 IIRC.  Yes I saw it.  Dont' rememeber the exact name of the sword but thats 
 what comes to mind...mind you i've seen tons of films like it  played ADD 
 for years.  Never liked DD much..but i played it to placate an old 
 g/f.  Shrugs.
 -
 FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt


 
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 We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 16:53, FemmeFatale wrote:
 At 03:03 PM 6/20/2003 +1000, you wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 10:39, FemmeFatale wrote:
   At 09:28 AM 6/20/2003 +1000, you wrote:
   On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 02:28, Miark wrote:
 You should get Quake III--it really rocks rocks, using the Winblows 
  CD with
 the Linux installer. Much less trouble to install than Quake II.

 Miark
   
   So when can I expect the QuakeIII CD to arrive, Miark?
  
   it can be on my ftp.  I odn't use it anymore.
  
   -
   FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt
 
 Oy - she's got an FTP site she dunna use! Great place for side-loading
 pr0n movies!
 
 U wish... lol
 
 its a freaking laptop...with little more than a gig left of space.  I don't 
 use Q3 anymore... I do use my ftp. :D  Sorry luv  you're outta luck there 
 heh.  Offer stands however... if you want it i'll ISO my copy for you.
 -
 FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt

I'm still stuck on dialup. 17mb is heaps for me to d/l.
Doing urpmi is a touchy topic as I have to figure out what I might
possibly want and then set a night aside for it.

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Re: [newbie] quickrip and pyqt

2003-06-20 Thread H.J.Bathoorn

On Friday 20 June 2003 09:07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Friday 20 June 2003 05:23, revolt wrote:
  Charles A Edwards wrote:
  On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:02 -0600
  
  revolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Couldn't load PyQT module! Check it's installed properly.
  
  Do you have PyQt installed?
  
  
  Charles
 
  urpmi installed PyQt-3.5-1.mdk for me. I have been looking for a newer
  version without any luck so far. I checked the frequent problems page
  which wasn't much help (I do not want to compile it from source if
  possible, since I have rarely had much luck compiling stuff in the past.)
 
  Have you had any luck with this software under mdk 9.1? Has anyone else
  who might be reading this?

 Where did you get the quickrip.rpm?

 I couldn't find one..quickrip will not install (using the install.sh)on
 my machine stating that PyQt isn't installed. Of course it is installed and
 so are libsip and sip:o(
 The error messages are the same as yours though.boiling down to the
 (python)module libsip not being found.
 Checking the python modules [go into the python shell; type help and then
 modules(), which will give you a list of all available modules] there
 indeed isn't a libsip module on my machine.

 Personally I don't have any time available right now (got to make a living)
 but methinks you (and me) should be checking the libsip installation.

 Frankly I thought libsip were only libraries, not modules.

 Anybody any wiser comments??

 Good luck,
 HarM

Found it: install libsip9-devel!

HTH,
HarM


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Re: [newbie] How to add session types to users

eric huff wrote:

How can I add session types ( kde, gnome etc ) to users when you
are not yet on desktop.
I can drop to a root terminal, but what do I call ?
   

big snip

 

Where do I go to add these desktops to the login managers session
menu ?
   

I thin kthis is what you want. 
Here are excerpts from emails on Speednix (using pekwm as an 
example):

--

From Derek:

It is quite easy to get an entry in kdm,gdm,Xtart Just define a file
/etc/X11/wmsession.d/19pekwm
Containing :-

NAME=pekwm
ICON=pekwm.png
EXEC=/usr/bin/pekwm   (or wherever your executable is)
DESC=Windowmanager based on the original blackbox-code
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/pekwm
Then pekwm will come up as an option in kdm etc as the 19th Window 
Manager
(1 to 18 have already been defined by Mandrake)

derek
-
From Todd:
Sweet, now I have entries for fluxbox, xfce4, oroborus, and pekwm.

I did have to go into /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and add those to 
the
list there. I couldn't find a program that would do it. I thought 
maybe
it would scan /etc/X11/wmsession.d/ for you and update the list
automagiclly.
 

That looks like it , thanks, I will look into it some and report.

John

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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

2003-06-20 Thread MWafkowski

Now that's one hell of a title for a funky progressive CW tune...can I use
it?

Mike Wafkowski


queers, steers  repressive dictatorships

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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

At 05:26 PM 6/20/2003 +1000, you wrote:

I'm still stuck on dialup. 17mb is heaps for me to d/l.
Doing urpmi is a touchy topic as I have to figure out what I might
possibly want and then set a night aside for it.
well best i can do is rar it into 15 mb chunks... which is what i do for 
modemers... then they d/l  resume @ will.
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Good Decisions Your boss Made:
We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
character from Peanuts.
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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

At 03:59 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Now that's one hell of a title for a funky progressive CW tune...can I use
it?
Mike Wafkowski

queers, steers  repressive dictatorships
On the condition you send it to me when its done!  absolutely yes! :D

Please by all means do :)
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Re: [newbie] boa-constructor installed and working?

2003-06-20 Thread H.J.Bathoorn

On Thursday 19 June 2003 19:23, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 Hi all,

 The subject says it all. Anybody out there using Mdk9.1 that's got
 boa-constructor working the way it should?

 I can get it to install but it freezes at startup:o(

 TIA,
 HarM
Answering to my own mails today it seems.
Problems solved by installing wxPythonGTK2.4-2.4.0.6-2 from cooker.
No earlier version will work, at least not on my system:o(

HarM


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[newbie] Import Outlook mail to Evolution

2003-06-20 Thread Peter Stokes

Hi All

I have recently moved over to Evolution and MDK9.1 for all of my email
stuff and am very happy with it, excellent program.

I now want to move my old Outlook 2000 mail to it. I have tried
importing to Eudora as a work around, but Eudora does not appear to
import all of the Outlook mail for some reason. Anyone have success in
doing this and like to explain what steps they took?

Thanks

Peter
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[newbie] HP Scanjet 2300c

2003-06-20 Thread David Middlebrook

Have just installed Mandrake 9.1 but was disappointed to discover that 
my HP Scanjet 2300c isn´t supported. Can anyone direct me to where a 
driver for this scanner can be located and how to install it. I am 
trying to make the transition from Windows to Linux.

TIA
David

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For Femme... was Re: [newbie] OT, new game for linux ppl!

2003-06-20 Thread Curt Tresenriter


I'm not a gamer but this looks interesting as does Alice.
As for Maurice on Linux maybe with wine?

 http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GoOnLinux
 
 

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Re: [newbie] Another super newbie question

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 1:32 am, Ralph Bagwell wrote:
 Anne , thanks heaps.

No problem

 Did what you said and have booted up three times now with no
 glitches -.

Glad to hear it.

 I got another question for ya - don't tell anyone I asked/.

 I have managed to upgrade to KDE 312 on my right box - but I
 can't do the same on the left box - maybe I have forgotten what I
 did. What is the correct way to do that? (and should I bother) ?

Can't help on that one - never tried it.  Generally I work on 'if it 
an't broke, don't fix it' and I've not come across anything that 
needed the upgrade.  Sorry

 (still working on trying to print with the Epson thru the LAN from
 the right box - [while in Windows] ). Having now installed 9.1 on
 that box (dual booting with XP) printing works just fine.)

So are you saying that the Epson is on your linux box and prints fine, 
but your windows box can't print to it?

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Bookmarks in Galeon

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 3:58 am, eric huff wrote:

 Well, i usu don't like having the bookmarks off to the left, so i
 pull down from the top (up there next to File, View, etc).

 The problem is that when you use the bookmarks pulldown, the
 entries are in whatever order you have manually put them. Same for
 the folders.

 When you build up lots of bookmarks and folders, it's hard to
 search thru when they're not in order

Ah - never tried that.  Personally I like the left panel, but when I 
need full screen I use the F9 to turn it off and back on when I need 
it.  Have you tried that way?

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Bookmarks in Galeon

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 4:24 am, eric huff wrote:

 Well, this is an area where i get picky. Here's what the browsers
 lack (or i have been unable to find).  Now keep in mind, i have
 only recently started using the side panels, so some of this is not
 such a big deal.  I still like the pulldown better, and that's
 where most of my lackings are:

As I said, I haven't tried pulldown, but hide sidepanel (f9) is useful 
and displays your bookmarks the way you choose to.

 Mozilla:  Can't make the bookmarks show up as sorted in the
 pulldown, other than that, it's features are great.  Unfortunately,
 the bugs i get with the mandrake release (like text boxes not
 taking input) are making me wait til i get around to dling from
 mozilla, or an update comes out.

I had problems like that with an older release.  It sounds broken to 
me, as I have no problems at all of that kind now.  I installed it 
with the distro, but it didn't work at all, so had to uninstall and 
re-install.  If you haven't tried that, save your dotMozilla folder 
elsewhere and re-install.  You might find that all is fixed.

Can't offer any more advice, though.  The f9 trick works in Konqueror, 
too, if that's any help.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] How to add session types to users

2003-06-20 Thread g



g wrote:
John Richard Smith wrote:
I had this

your needs

if nothing posted,
jrs, are you up? :)

forgot yesterday was tuesday, 25 min late to golum meet.
just now back in.
will pull em to see if any replied to your needs.

being i init 3 boot, i have not set x-wins to enabled thru user's
start up files. which and how?
from scanning menu doc pages thru desktop's 'linux docs' for other info,
i would believe it to be in there. imbr.
do you have grepmail?

peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: [newbie] How to add session types to users

2003-06-20 Thread g



John Richard Smith wrote:

wanted to learn how to set up the graphical login window to include my 
session choices, ie kde, gnome and icewarm, and blackbox etc., etc.


just from a quick look thru
 'mandrake control center | system | user',
user set up has entries for dt selections.
user set up doc is in 'linux documentation'

in md 9.0, may be diff vnum in md 9.1, howto's are in;
  howto-html-en-9.0-0.1mdk and howto-utils-0.2.9-1mdk rpms.
as long as you are logging in as root, you might install doc pack,
if you do not have it. it is a lot of reading, if you read all of
it. but, until you do, just go thru menu pages to see what is there.
then, build bookmarks to get to what you want quicker.
hth.

or, break them in right. install 'xstart',
log them in cl with 'xstart' as login prog. :)
peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: [newbie] what do these different things mean? KDE, Gnome, etc

2003-06-20 Thread g



Michael wrote:

And one more question...what is ROOT and what is it used for?
to add to what has been said...

in a 'grunt' view, '1st shirt', 'hnic'.

by definition, 'root' is root.

as a 'user', 'owner' of all, 'privileged' over all, 'restricted' only by self.

'root user' is installed with a few safe guards, but not enough to make
a running system safe from total destruction by some new to such control.
i started with unix in late 70's, and as root user, locked myself out
several times before i fully understood chmod. found out a couple times
how easy it is to bring a system down with wild cards. it was fun learning.
but i was learning at a time of 8 bit data and 16 bit address, loading os
with 10 8 floppy disk into a 10 mg hard drive.
after i built up my disk storage to 4 10 meg 5.25 hdd, hd1 = os, hd2 = progs,
hd3 = data, hd4 = back up of a configed os for rebuild when i messed up. after
a few months, i rarely took system down other than with 'sync and kill'.
today, logging in as root it is a dangerous habit to get into. yet, with
today's fast high capacity storage, recovery is not too bad. if you do
happen to have it backed up. :)
for now, you are a 'boot', do not sign in as 'root'.
for now, being a 'user', less likely a 'looser'.
!!! in coming !!!

peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: [newbie] HP Scanjet 2300c

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 9:58 am, David Middlebrook wrote:
 Have just installed Mandrake 9.1 but was disappointed to discover
 that my HP Scanjet 2300c isn´t supported. Can anyone direct me to
 where a driver for this scanner can be located and how to install
 it. I am trying to make the transition from Windows to Linux.

 TIA
 David

Hi, David.  First step - google for XSane.  On their site there is a 
list of devices.  Yours may run using a driver for a similar scanner, 
but the list on this site would advise you.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] It works!!!! And then.........

2003-06-20 Thread Derek Jennings

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 12:30 am, Thomas Williams wrote:
 So, I got the DSL set up. I also spent the money to get a router. I decided
 I didn't want to have to have my wife's computer depend on my machine being
 up and running all the time. While I was waiting for the router to arrive I
 got online and downloaded the iso's for 9.1. I didnt' have any problem
 whatsoever burning them. I've installed 9.1, its great, I like it so far.
 Only one little minor thing. I think I've seen someone else ask this on
 here, but I don't remember what the solution was.

 I still have a windows partition, its actually a whole separate drive. I
 can see that the windows partition is there, but I can't access it unless
 I'm in su mode. Now, I thought that I had the answer, I went into linuxconf
 and pulled up filesystems and found the windows partition. I set something
 marked allow users to mount. Set it, updated it. And then tried to get
 the file manager to go there. It locked up so hard I had to reboot. The net
 result of that was that it screwed up my X-windows system and I ended up
 reinstalling one more time because I couldn't remember that fix either. It
 was thing about Xauthority.

 So was I on the right track? I suspect that I needed to unmount it, set
 that then mount it again. Is that right or is there another way?

 Tom Williams

What you needed was the umask option set. In the file /etc/fstab set up the 
line for the windows partition something like this

/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0

The command 'mount -a' will remount your partitions

The partition will be automatically mounted at boot. You do not need users to 
have mount permission for it. All you need is permission for users to 
read/write to it. That is what the umask does.

derek

BTW: Could you remove the Reply To: field in your KMail settings please?
That is there for when you want to receive repiles to your mails on a 
different account to the one you send from. If you have it set replies people 
send to your mailing list posts go straight to you and not the list.

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Re: [newbie] HP Scanjet 2300c

2003-06-20 Thread Derek Jennings

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 9:58 am, David Middlebrook wrote:
 Have just installed Mandrake 9.1 but was disappointed to discover that
 my HP Scanjet 2300c isn´t supported. Can anyone direct me to where a
 driver for this scanner can be located and how to install it. I am
 trying to make the transition from Windows to Linux.

 TIA
 David

For all things scanner related go to Sane
http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-mfgs.html
You will see that there is currently no driver for your scanner.
You would have to ask Hewlett-Packard why not.

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Re: [newbie] How to add session types to users

2003-06-20 Thread Derek Jennings

Ermm. I do not understand why this is being discussed. Whenever a new Window 
Manager RPM is installed an entry is automatically put into the list of 
Window Managers.

There is no need to do anything.
That of course is true so long as the RPM was a 'Mandrake' RPM

The mail from me quoted below was how to get a session type for a 'non 
Mandrake' RPM.

So if you want an entry for Blackbox for example, all you need do is
urpmi blackbox


derek

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 8:17 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 eric huff wrote:
 How can I add session types ( kde, gnome etc ) to users when you
 are not yet on desktop.
 I can drop to a root terminal, but what do I call ?
 
 big snip
 
 Where do I go to add these desktops to the login managers session
 menu ?
 
 I thin kthis is what you want.
 Here are excerpts from emails on Speednix (using pekwm as an
 example):
 
 --

 From Derek:
 It is quite easy to get an entry in kdm,gdm,Xtart Just define a file
 /etc/X11/wmsession.d/19pekwm
 
 Containing :-
 
 NAME=pekwm
 ICON=pekwm.png
 EXEC=/usr/bin/pekwm   (or wherever your executable is)
 DESC=Windowmanager based on the original blackbox-code
 SCRIPT:
 exec /usr/bin/pekwm
 
 Then pekwm will come up as an option in kdm etc as the 19th Window
 Manager
 (1 to 18 have already been defined by Mandrake)
 
 derek
 -

 From Todd:
 Sweet, now I have entries for fluxbox, xfce4, oroborus, and pekwm.
 
 I did have to go into /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and add those to
 the
 list there. I couldn't find a program that would do it. I thought
 maybe
 it would scan /etc/X11/wmsession.d/ for you and update the list
 automagiclly.

 That looks like it , thanks, I will look into it some and report.

 John

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[newbie] It worked yesterday!?

2003-06-20 Thread Curt Tresenriter

xmms is giving me problems this morning - It appears to be connecting to
the streaming signal (shows 64 kbps 22 khz) but there's no sound and the
timer doesn't advance. Mixers are ok. Tried to play an mp3 file but no go
there either. The only thing I can think of is to re-install the program
but don't want to go there. Anyone have an idea?
Thanks,
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Re: [newbie]OT again, Chess Game: a personal plea/whine/rant/whatever

2003-06-20 Thread Robin Turner

FemmeFatale wrote:
At 02:49 AM 6/20/2003 +0300, you wrote:
giant snip
If you're interested in developing your spatial abilities in an 
enjoyable way, I recommend Go.  The rules are very simple, but the 
fact that it's based on geometric patterns on a 19x19 board makes 
gameplay infinitely complex.  Back in the 1970s, when chess programs 
were starting to beat grandmasters, Go programs were still trying to 
make legal moves and learn basic tactics (around 1978, my brother 
wrote a Go program that could play legally and not do anything totally 
stupid on a reduced-size board, and he was very proud of it).  Also as 
a padawan jeweller, I think you'd like the aesthetic aspect of Go-  
for reasons no one is sure of, the end result of a game played between 
two masters looks nicer than a game played between amateurs. The first 
Go-player I met said Sometimes I make a move just because I think a 
point would look good with one of my stones on it.

There are Go programs and Internet clients available for Linux.

Sir Robin


Were I capable of having kids I'd ask you to have mine luv. :D  Oh right 
you don't do children...oh well.. n/m then. :D

Ty I shall look into Go.  Heard of it. Never played it.  Never seen 
it.  Might be worth trying tho.  Merci!  Now I wonder if i can play it 
online somewhere...
You can indeed.  Browse through the Mandrake contribs directory for Go 
games and clients.

Incidentally, my Mandrake experience has been greatly enriched since I 
added contrib sources to urpmi. Contrib is where you find the funny, 
quirky or just plain obscure programs.  Sometimes you might miss them 
because they have a boring-looking name; for example, who'd have guessed 
that tdfsb was a funky 3D file browser that transforms your filesystem 
into a world reminiscent of Tron or Neuromancer that you can fly around 
in.  I've wasted hours playing with this little program already.

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] HP Scanjet 2300c

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:58:07 +1000
David Middlebrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Have just installed Mandrake 9.1 but was disappointed to discover that
 
 my HP Scanjet 2300c isn´t supported. Can anyone direct me to where a 
 driver for this scanner can be located and how to install it. I am 
 trying to make the transition from Windows to Linux.
 

Hey, scanner brother! I thought I was the only one to be so unfortunate.

See, the problem is this: HP is *usually* pretty good at releasing the
necessary info for the Sane people to write a driver, but in this case
it uses a weird chipset and there is currently no info or driver
available *anywhere*.

I've bitched several times on the HP support page, searched Googe/linux
til my *eyes bled*, it ain't gonna work.

Watch, now that I said that, Sane will announce a backend tomorrow...

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Re: [newbie] NO LIST MAIL TODAY??

2003-06-20 Thread David Reynolds

On Wednesday 18 June 2003 10:16 pm, Bob Read proclaimed:
 Has there been little/no  mail on this list today?
 If there has been any volume of mail today, would
 someone please let me know directly?

Yep. 19 messages in the last 8 hours, including yours.

 TIA

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [newbie] HP Scanjet 2300c

2003-06-20 Thread David Middlebrook

JoeHill wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:58:07 +1000
David Middlebrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 

Have just installed Mandrake 9.1 but was disappointed to discover that

my HP Scanjet 2300c isn´t supported. Can anyone direct me to where a 
driver for this scanner can be located and how to install it. I am 
trying to make the transition from Windows to Linux.

   

Hey, scanner brother! I thought I was the only one to be so unfortunate.

See, the problem is this: HP is *usually* pretty good at releasing the
necessary info for the Sane people to write a driver, but in this case
it uses a weird chipset and there is currently no info or driver
available *anywhere*.
I've bitched several times on the HP support page, searched Googe/linux
til my *eyes bled*, it ain't gonna work.
Watch, now that I said that, Sane will announce a backend tomorrow...

 



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How disappointing, this will make the task of weaning from Windows that 
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Re: [newbie] Bookmarks in Galeon

2003-06-20 Thread RichardA

On 20 Jun 2003 13:52:33 +0100, Douglas Bainbridge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 04:24, eric huff wrote:
 snip
  Galeon:  From the pulldown, there's no easy way to file a bookmark 
  while at the same time changing the name.

There's a choice in the preferences to ask the user when the bookmark is
saved.

I don't see how anyone could complain about bookmarking in Galeon. You
can open a folder in tabs, save a bookmark directly into a subfolder,
order them non-alphabetically, export them in three different formats...

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[newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM


http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2136285,00.html

Quote:

A UK IT industry body backed by Microsoft, IBM, Intel, BAE Systems and
other high-tech heavyweights has urged the UK government to show
restraint in its use of open-source software, particularly software
covered by the General Public License.

and apparently we can't trust Sun either. They're in on this whole SCO
thing:

http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=6976

Seems SCO's filing annual filing with the SEC exposed some interesting
info, to whit:

 We initiated the SCOsource effort to review the status of these
licensing and sublicensing agreements and to identify others in the
industry that may be currently using our intellectual property without
obtaining the necessary licenses. *[this is where it gets
interesting]* This effort resulted in the execution of two license
agreements during the April 30, 2003 quarter. The first of these
licenses was with a long-time licensee of the UNIX source code which is
a major participant in the UNIX industry and was aclean-up license to
cover items that were outside the scope of the initial license. The
second license was to Microsoft Corporation(Microsoft), and covers
Microsoft's UNIX compatibility products, subject to certain specified
limitations. These license agreements will be typical of those we expect
to enter into with developers, manufacturers, and distributors of
operating systems in that they are non-exclusive, perpetual,
royalty-free, paid up licenses to utilize the UNIX source code,
including the right to sublicense that code.

The proprietary boys will *never* accept the GPL, and that's a fact
jack.

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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:52:10 -0600
FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 ROFL you already loved me! :)  but you're sweety anyway.
 
 yes i'm in alberta... home of queers, steers  repressive 
 dictatorships.   See: Gay marriage issue. Sigh

ya, I've been following that. I thought we had it bad out here with
Harris, he's a boyscout compared to that lunatic Klein. I'm a peaceful
man (er, most of the time), but i'd like to put three clips into his
groin...

you know what, I think it's about time we stopped *asking nicely*. It's
about time to hit the streets, bash some pigs, you with me?

Lock and Load!

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Re: [newbie] kernal upgrade: bug or mis-installation?

2003-06-20 Thread stormjumper

- Original Message - 
From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 04:08
Subject: Re: [newbie] kernal upgrade: bug or mis-installation?

 On Thursday 19 Jun 2003 8:31 pm, stormjumper wrote:
 snip
  shouldn't initrd.img and vmlinuz be pointing at the 2.4.21-0.13
  versions, assuming that the intention was to maintain the old lilo
  entries and offer the new kernel to test

  (or looking at it the other way round, should the new lilo entry
  point directly to the 0.13 versions if meant as a way to boot the
  old kernel?)

 I don't use initrd.img or vmlinuz at all in lilo. If you label each
 initrd.img and vmlinuz file with the correct version, and amend your
 lilo stanzas to match, you know withoug doubt that the correct
 version will be loaded.

 If you make changes, don't forget to run /sbin/lilo

 Anne

thanks Anne, already done that by the time my post went out.

system's been running on the 2.4.21-0.18mdk kernel ever since, so everything
seems fine.

but i'm just wondering if i messed up on installation, or if a couple of
install scripts mess up, which is a pretty terrible thing considering it's a
official kernel security update rpm.

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Re: [newbie] HP Scanjet 2300c

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 1:55 pm, JoeHill wrote:

 See, the problem is this: HP is *usually* pretty good at releasing
 the necessary info for the Sane people to write a driver, but in
 this case it uses a weird chipset and there is currently no info or
 driver available *anywhere*.

Joe, this should be on the HardwareCompatibility page.  Date the 
entry, specifically, so that if someone looks in 6 months or a year 
they know to check again.

Anne

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[newbie] evolution

2003-06-20 Thread qhwang


Hi folks,

Are there anyone have experiences with character encoding configuration
using, e.g., Chinese, with Evolution? I can't read mails in Chinese from my
friends there by Evolution, but It seems Kmail can do that. I have tried
several times but I always failed. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks.

Wishes,

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Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

Is it my imagination, or has the list spit this message out three times
already?

Miark



On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:52:34 -0400
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 this guy is a *nutjob*.
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2999780.stm
 
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RE: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

2003-06-20 Thread Dennis . R . Myers

Title: RE: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aron Smith
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:58 PM
To: Newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!



On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 01:58, MWafkowski wrote:
 Orrin Hatch is a Liberal!? Shet, then things are even worse than I
 thought here in AmeriKa.
 
 Let me know when the conservatives arrive so I can start digging a hole in
 the ground.
 
 Mike Wafkowski
We are here, all your bases belong us. 


 Big Snip.
 
 He's a RINO Republican In Name Only
But I wonder how much email he has gotten?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM

IBM's part is obscure at best. What other evidence do you have that IBM is
a bad guy?

Miark


On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:12:35 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2136285,00.html
 
 A UK IT industry body backed by Microsoft, IBM, Intel, BAE Systems and
 other high-tech heavyweights has urged the UK government to show
 restraint in its use of open-source software, particularly software
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Re: [newbie] wineX

2003-06-20 Thread Alan Carbutt

Typically, wineX installs a .transgaming folder in your home directory
which has a symbolic link called Transgaming_drive also in your home
directory.  All I have done in the past is to go into that directory and
find where I installed the program and delete the directory, like this:

cd Transgaming_drive/Program\ Files/
rm -rf Max\ Payne

Just an example, mind you.  This should free up the disk space
associated with the game/program.

++alan

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 14:30, manolis wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I installed in my mandrake 9.1, wineX to test its capabilities.
 I tried max payne game.
 The game works great but:
 I cannot figure out how to uninstall this game.
 Also I tried with wineX mathematica 4.0 (I know wineX is for games) no luck 
 here, but also I cannot find the way to uninstall it.
 
 
 Thank you.
 
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[newbie] IMAP trouble (Evolution)

2003-06-20 Thread Todd Slater

So at work I have an IMAP (Groupwise) account. I can open, read, and
send with Mozilla, Thunderbird and Kmail. When I try to add the account
with Sylpheed I get a segfault. I remember problems with Sylpheed and
IMAP but I left the Sylpheed list so I'll go back and investigate.

Thing is, I don't really want to use Mozilla or Kmail, and Thunderbird
won't work yet as it can't send URL's to a browser.

So I tried Evolution yet again (I keep giving it a chance) and it can
open and read my folders and mail, but there is no text in the summary
window (no from, subject, or date, just a picture of an envelope so I
know there are mail messages there). Pretty weird.

Have you seen this problem in evolution before? Or I'll be satisfied
with a decent, lightweight gui IMAP mail client.

Todd

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Re: [newbie] SCSI Em- Again

2003-06-20 Thread Langsley T Russell





Hi again John. 

I edited the fstab file as you suggested. The contents appears below. 

/dev/hda6 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=vfat,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,codepage=850 0 0
/mnt/scd0 /mnt/scd0 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,suid 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
 
I rebooted following the change and did not get the two FAILED lines.

I then checked with MCC and there is no listing for my CDRW drive in the hardware list. 

I also checked my mount directory and CDRW appears there as does scd1 and hdb. 

My old SCSI, CD ROM drive is listed as scd0 .

At this time the CDRW is still completely unavailable. 



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Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts

On Thursday 19 June 2003 13:15, you wrote:
 On Thursday 19 Jun 2003 5:23 pm, Crak600 - Michael wrote:
  On Thursday 19 June 2003 12:03 pm, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
   On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:35:15 -0400
  
   JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   this worries me, I here a lot of Maxtor's failing on this
list...
  
   I've noticed that too..think I've seen it on other lists also.
   Cust serv said This drive's proven to be very solid...
 
  wow, that hearing that makes me glad i didn't order Maxtor drives.
  I went with WD and am waiting for a 2nd one right now.  has anyone
  heard anything bad about the WD drives?  my current one was new
  when installed and has been in the computer for 2-3 months with no
  problems so far.  Thanks.

 Yup - you should hear what some people say about WD.  I've come to the
 conclusion that there is no such thing as a good hard-drive
 manufacturer.  There are scare stories about all of them.  So, you
 have to buy something.

 Anne

In my experience working with a wide range of hardware, Maxtor is just about 
the bottom of the barrel.  Seagate (Barracuda IV is excellent) is the top of 
the line for IDE drives, and WD isn't bad at all.  When all you go by is the 
complaints you hear, everything will sound relatively equal, but working with 
a large quantity and a wide range of drives you start to see distinct tiers 
in quality, with Maxtor coming out on bottom of virtually any head-to-head 
comparison.   I had a frequent flier that used to get confused about Maxtor 
vs. Matrox, one being a terrible hard drive manufacturer and the other being 
an exceptional (non-3d) graphics card manufacturer.  He would come in with 
these new hard drives to be installed and I would have to re-explain every 
time that they had nothing to do with one another.  Maxtor bad, Matrox good.

Isaac




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Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM

2003-06-20 Thread Richard Urwin

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 2:12 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2136285,00.html

 Quote:

 A UK IT industry body backed by Microsoft, IBM, Intel, BAE Systems and
 other high-tech heavyweights has urged the UK government to show
 restraint in its use of open-source software, particularly software
 covered by the General Public License.

There's 1,000 companies in that body, all with a vested interest in royalties. 
IBM probably doesn't have much of a voice there.
But I remember when IBM were the big bad guys, while MS were just riding on 
their coat-tails.

IMHO, the GPL is becoming difficult. It's so complex it would take a lawyer to 
work out what it really means. When you screw your brain around it enough you 
find it will probably allow what you want to do, but it takes some mental 
strain and it isn't a sure thing. That makes it a hard sell to management 
types, and an easy pot-shot for the entrenched pundits. BSD is a lot simpler. 
Maybe we need a license with the effective meaning of the GPL, but which 
isn't weighed down with the philosophical baggage. It would be nice to have a 
100% service oriented income-model across the board, but is it necessary, 
achievable or desirable?

In the worst case, if Microsoft dropped IIS and distributed Apache with 
Windows would the Open-Source movement die? I don't think so. OK so MS could 
try to extend and destroy, but if we have proved that Open-Source is a better 
development model than proprietry, shouldn't we put our money where our 
mouths are?

If and when the GPL is tested in court, I have less than 100% certainty that 
the precident will say what we want it to say. It's so complex an expensive 
lawyer could twist it somewhat.

Anyway, (IMHO) GPL is probably not right for the UK gov. I would have thought 
public-domain would be a better fit.

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Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts

On Thursday 19 June 2003 11:49, you wrote:
 On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:45:04 -0400

 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  1. Go here and configure all your sources:
 
  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
 
  2. then as root, urpmi [packagename]
 
  make sure you add texstar, that's where the msfont and msfont-style rpm
  come from.

 Been there did that... but I didn't see texstar listed for 9.0

Texstar isn't available for 8.0 either, which puts me out of luck.

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Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts

On Thursday 19 June 2003 08:03, you wrote:
 If you install packages built for the release you are using you will not
 get these dependency issues. If however you try to install packages built
 for other distros, or try using Mandrake 'Cooker' packages you will run
 into all sorts of problems.

 You do not say which release you are using I assume Mandrake 9.1? And you
 are trying to install arts?

8.0.  I'd love to be using one of the newer less clumsy versions but have no 
$.  I'd download a newer version (have a nice fast cable connection) but I 
can't download anything at all because even simple things like gaim won't 
install on my computer from rpm files because it says there are none of the 
basic libraries there (even though going to the software manager shows them 
all perfectly intact.)

 The easy way to do this is to declare a number of online 'urpmi sources'
 your computer can use to download and install packages and their
 dependencies. If you go here http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php and
 follow the instructions to select urpmi sources for 'Contrib', 'plf' and
 'texstar' then you will be able to download and install hundreds of
 packages without any dependency problems.

I did that, entered the command in the terminal, and everything worked fine 
until the last one which cuts out with this error message no matter which ftp 
source I select: 

No such file `hdlist2.cz'.
 
wget of [source_url/../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz] failed
no hdlist file found for medium contrib
unable to update medium contrib


 So for example you could just type

 urpmi arts
 in a root terminal, and your system will work out that the most up to date
 arts available for your release is arts-1.1.2-3tex.i586.rpm in the Texstar
 source. It will download it as well as any dependency, and will install
 them all for you.

Tried that after running the scripts the website gave me, and the terminal 
says exactly what the software manager says, that all the files are there:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] blackstripe]# urpmi arts
everything already installed

So I don't get why any software I try to install from rpm says that I don't 
have any libraries or even gcc on my computer, because it's all there.

 in a root terminal, and your system will work out that the most up to date
 arts available for your release is arts-1.1.2-3tex.i586.rpm in the Texstar
 source. It will download it as well as any dependency, and will install
 them all for you.

 If you want to install a package which is not available in any online
 source. Then the best way to do it is to rebuild a .src.rpm  That way it
 gets built with the libraries you currently have installed
 rpm --rebuild package-name.src.rpm


 As for fonts it is really quite easy now with Mandrake 9.1
 Just set up the urpmi sources as I described. Ignore the Mandrake Fonts GUI
 you no longer need it, and just type in a root terminal

 urpmi msfonts msfonts-style freetype2

 and all Microsofts TrueType fonts will be installed for you, as well as the
 'enhanced' freetype package.

Don't have 9.1, and running that command on my box with 8.0 gives me this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] blackstripe]# urpmi msfonts msfonts-style freetype2
no package named msfonts
 
no package named msfonts-style

I'll look over some more replies and see what I can figure out.  Thanks a lot 
for the help, just a matter of figuring out exactly what's going on.

Isaac



 HTH

 derek

 On Wednesday 18 Jun 2003 6:02 pm, Isaac Curtis wrote:
  Hey all:
 
  I'm back on Mandrake after a one year hiatus (had no computer at all for
  that time).  I feel like I'm back at square one and running into the same
  problems I did several years ago and I don't remember exactly how to deal
  with them all.  At the top of the list right now are fonts and libraries.
 
 
  I'll start with the library problems.  I can't install any downloaded
  packages because the computer can't seem to find any of my libraries.  I
  get the following error trying to install some new KDE packages:
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] blackstripe]# rpm -ivh arts-1*
  error: failed dependencies:
  audiofile is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3)   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libgcc_s.so.1   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libglib-2.0.so.0   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libgmodule-2.0.so.0   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libgobject-2.0.so.0   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libgthread-2.0.so.0   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libpng12.so.0   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2)   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libqt-mt.so.3   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libstdc++.so.5   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libstdc++.so.5(CXXABI_1.2)   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2)   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
  libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2.2)   is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1

Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

2003-06-20 Thread Mike Wafkowski

Well it does seem to be sort of a loosely strung group we have here. Very
nice. 8^)

MRW
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From: Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

 Is it my imagination, or has the list spit this message out three times
 already?

 Miark

 On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:52:34 -0400
 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  this guy is a *nutjob*.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2999780.stm

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Re[4]: [newbie] [Fwd: [Mandrake Off Topic] LICQ/Dynamically opening ports in Linksys router]

2003-06-20 Thread rikona

Hello Technoslick,

Thursday, June 19, 2003, 4:22:06 AM, you wrote:

T 'Port Triggering' is the feature present on this particular
T router/gateway.

As you know, I have a great interest in app-aware firewalls. They are
useful in protecting against call-home threats. The possibility of
doing this with a single router protecting the local net was SO
intriguing to me I finally called Linksys tech support to find out how
the BEFSR41 really works. Here's what they said.

Port triggering works by opening a designated port from any port
request on the local net. The tech said it does NOT know, nor care
about, the app name that is requesting the port. It does not care
which local computer is requesting it either. It will work with any
computer on the local net. She said you do not even have to put app
names in the router setup table - it will work with just the port
designations. I went through, in detail, a few very specific scenarios
with multiple chat programs, multiple email pgms, and multiple
browsers, just to make sure I understood what she was saying.

When the BEFSR41 gets a request on a designated port, it opens the
port *for the packet* and immediately closes the port. The router
rapidly opens and closes the port as successive port requests are made
to the router.

This is nice, because the time the port is actually open is very
short. The good news for you is that the router should work with a
linux box quite well. I specifically asked the tech about this, and
was told the OS does not make any difference - all the router looks
for is a port request from the local net. The bad news, for me, is
that it is not really app-aware and can't provide the kind of
call-home protection I am looking for.

 I am comforted by having the fw first check the md5 signature of
 the designated app - if it's OK, then open the port for that app
 only.

T Your current firewall, you mean?

Yes. The app-aware fw actually checks the md5 to make sure nobody has
modified the app to sneak something through. A number of viruses and
trojans do modify apps (and might even replace them), and this
increases the protection quite a lot.

T we use a hardware firewall (via router) and wish to open ports for
T H.323 communications.

Looks like you should be able to do that.

T If the router cannot open ports dynamically, it will require being
T placed into DMZ mode

True - that particular computer would have little protection while in
the DMZ zone. On some routers, it is possible to designate just ONE of
the switch ports to be in the DMZ. This would allow all the other
computers to be protected, with just one comp in the DMZ.

T I think what you are telling me, correctly so, is that *if* I had a
T stateful inspection firewall running, and tweaked properly, I
T wouldn't need the hardware firewall. To summarize, any SI firewall
T operating behind one of these routers is at the mercy of that
T router's capabilities.

I am talking about a single router/switch/SI-firewall box in which the
SI firewall is 'ahead' of the 'router', and actually protects the
router as well. This is particularly good since the NAT router
function is now also behind a firewall. SI firewalls do not need a lot
of tweaking to work well, although one can adjust to get just what you
want.

T Getting back to the original topic, I'm hoping to find some way to
T get my Linksys router to dynamically open ports for H.323
T communication in Linux.

From what tech support says, it should work fine. There may be
problems, though, if different ports need to be opened in receiving
data. This is a bit more complex, and I did not want to go through all
the possibilities with tech support. If you do call about this, it is
probably best to address a specific app, with specific ports needed
for transmit and receive, especially for a dynamic-port app such as
conferencing.

T Specifying the app name doesn't seem to work.

May not need to worry about that, according to the Linksys tech.

T Thanks for the interesting discussion on SI firewalls. :0)

You are quite welcome. I hope this helps in getting your app to work
as you would like.

I am still VERY interested in the app-aware firewall idea. Love to get
a linux solution.

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Re: [newbie] Bookmarks in Galeon

2003-06-20 Thread eric huff

  Galeon:  From the pulldown, there's no easy way to file a bookmark
 while at the same time changing the name.

 There's a choice in the preferences to ask the user when the bookmark is
 saved.

Ah, that's cool.  I'll look into that tonite.

 I don't see how anyone could complain about bookmarking in Galeon. You
 can open a folder in tabs, save a bookmark directly into a subfolder,
 order them non-alphabetically, export them in three different formats...

Well, after your last suggestion, i might have to agree with you. :)

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Re: [newbie] Bookmarks in Galeon

2003-06-20 Thread eric huff

 The problem is that when you use the bookmarks pulldown, the
 entries are in whatever order you have manually put them. Same for the
 folders.

 When you build up lots of bookmarks and folders, it's hard to
 search thru when they're not in order

 Ah - never tried that.  Personally I like the left panel, but when I
 need full screen I use the F9 to turn it off and back on when I need
 it.  Have you tried that way?

Yeah, that's what i was calling the panel: it's a new thing for me.  I'm
used to using the pulldown, and just now getting used to F9'ing.  I might
end up liking the panel better. Plus, it works in galeon, too.  It also
solves my achy-mouse-hand problem of the menus chasing after the mouse. 
Yeah, i think i will stick with the panel for most things...

Well, even though it's all such a simple thing, this thread has helped me
quite a bit!  Thanks to all,
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Re: [newbie] How to add session types to users

2003-06-20 Thread eric huff

 Ermm. I do not understand why this is being discussed. Whenever a new
 Window  Manager RPM is installed an entry is automatically put into the
 list of  Window Managers.

 There is no need to do anything.
 That of course is true so long as the RPM was a 'Mandrake' RPM

 The mail from me quoted below was how to get a session type for a 'non
 Mandrake' RPM.

I should have mentioned that.  I guess i just assumed it was for something
else...

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Re: [newbie] This ROCKS

2003-06-20 Thread K Montgomery

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 23:22, JoeHill wrote:
 http://leaf.sourceforge.net/

I currently use Dachstein LEAF.  I found it very easy to configure, with
great instructions.  I turned an old Packard Bell Pentium 90 into a hard
disk-less router/firewall for my home network.  Has been running
flawlessly.

Anyone looking to do something useful with that old computer, take note.

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Re: Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM

2003-06-20 Thread Jim Dawson

(Disclaimer: IANAL)
The GPL is significantly less complex than most other software licenses. The 
complexity is (supposedly)  necessary from a legal standpoint. For some reason 'You 
are free to do whatever you want with this software, however if you distribute it you 
must distribute the source code with it and any changes to the code must be 
distributed under these terms.'  doesn't cut it from a legal standpoint.

My guess it is lawyers defending their jobs. If legal contracts were written this 
clearly, we wouldn't need so many lawyers... Sort of like programmers writing
obfuscated code - Only worse than most Perl hackers could ever imagine.

-Original Message-
From: Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:06:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 2:12 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2136285,00.html

IMHO, the GPL is becoming difficult. It's so complex it would take a lawyer to
work out what it really means. When you screw your brain around it enough you
find it will probably allow what you want to do, but it takes some mental
strain and it isn't a sure thing. That makes it a hard sell to management
types, and an easy pot-shot for the entrenched pundits. BSD is a lot simpler.
Maybe we need a license with the effective meaning of the GPL, but which
isn't weighed down with the philosophical baggage. It would be nice to have a
100% service oriented income-model across the board, but is it necessary,
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[newbie] ACPI - ohhh no what have I done...

2003-06-20 Thread Inhabitant of Zion

Hi

Seems ACPI was turned off for a reason... X windows won't boot with it turned on!

Now I am stuck how do i turn it off again from the shell prompt?

Quick reply valued!

John

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Re: [newbie] Forbes can @$ my #$

On 20 Jun 2003 16:21:39 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 15:25, JoeHill wrote:
  On 20 Jun 2003 15:26:02 +1000
  Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  
   I'm borrowing Elric's fave.
  
  what was that?
 
 Stormbringer.

Until it turned on Elric himself. (That did happen, right? It's
been years since I read that series.)

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Re: [newbie] ACPI - ohhh no what have I done...

2003-06-20 Thread Richard Urwin

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 4:06 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
 Seems ACPI was turned off for a reason... X windows won't boot with it
 turned on!

 Now I am stuck how do i turn it off again from the shell prompt?

 Quick reply valued!

vi /etc/lilo.conf

quick command ref:
i - enter insert mode
esc - exit insert mode
x - delete character
ZZ - save and exit

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Re: [newbie] looking for a tv card for Linux

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Friday 28 Mar 2003 3:27 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Does anyone know of a digital decoder tv card ?

John
   

John - I've got a Hauppage Nova-T card on order.  I'll let you know 
how it goes - but it may not be fast.  They're not guaranteeing to 
deliver before I go on holiday, as one of the items I ordered is out 
of stock.

Anne
 

Anne, is this digital terrestrial or digital satalite tv card ?

either way I'm extremely interested.
How much and where from,
will do teletext ?
John

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Re: Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

2003-06-20 Thread Jim Dawson

Don't forget the fact that his web page also linked to a p0rn site!

(I'm sure it was unintentional. Most likely the DNS registration expired and a porn 
site operator grabbed it up... Either way it's kind of funny having a 'conservative 
republican' linking to a porn site!)

-Original Message-
From: Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:29:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

On Thursday 19 June 2003 07:37 pm, Mark wrote:
 Seems Orrin Hatch also maybe a software pirate
 Orrin Hatch: Software Pirate?
 http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html

Mark:
Thanks for this excellent link. I'd seen another version of this story, but it
didn't have all the juicy material about the other senators (and Continental
Airlines as well) who are evidently doing the same damn thing.
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Re: Re: [newbie] This is an outrage!

2003-06-20 Thread Jim Dawson

On the other hand, I have said for years that the world would be a much better place 
of only Steve Ballmer would switch to decaf.

-Original Message-
From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 19 Jun 2003 16:55:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is an outrage!

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 07:53, JoeHill wrote:
 Damn them to hell!

 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/19/0459201

I AGREE!  It is the blasphemy of blasphemies.  May they all rot in lakes
of what they have made.

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Re: [newbie] SCSI Em- Again

Langsley T Russell wrote:

Hi again John.

I edited the fstab file as you suggested. The contents appears below.

/dev/hda6 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=vfat,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,codepage=850 0 0
/mnt/scd0 /mnt/scd0 supermount 
dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,suid 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0

 

OK, Langsley, I think it's time to start dropping supermount, maybe you 
have the same problem with supermount as me. S0 I would like you to copy 
this script ,

/dev/hda6 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/scd0 /mnt/scd0 auto 
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto 
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0

into a fresh new text file on desktop , do this by moving the cursor 
over a blank spot on desktop, rightmouse click down to create new - text 
file, and name it fatab, then  move the cursor over the icon of the new 
fstab textfile and roghtmouse click- down to open with text editor, and 
choose one, say kwrite , and then sweep the text I have given you here 
with the mouse cursor and move the cursor over the open fstab text file 
left mouse click to position, and then press middle mouse button, and 
all the copyied text will fill out onto the page, then save and exit.

You then have a new fstab file .
Go to /etc directory in konqueror window and rename the existing fstab 
file fstab1, then copy your new fstab file to /etc directory.

in a terminal , type, mount -a

and see if that gives you a writer

test by putting up something like xcdroast and see if it appears in the 
device list.

or type in terminal,

cdrecord -scanbus, and see what it says,

John

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Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts (Maxtor Drives)

2003-06-20 Thread Erylon Hines

Come on people.  ALL drives fail, and I don't care what brand you have.  When 
I was an admin a couple of years ago we had a stack of failed Seagates 2 ft 
high.  I have 8 boxes here, and have lost 1 drive in the past 2 years (a WD).  
I have Quantum, Seagate (factory rebuilt scsi full-height 9 gig drives bought 
a couple of years ago when storage was expensive and re-builts could be had 
for cheap), WD and Maxtor drives.  I think we may be seeing a lot of failed 
Maxtors because there are a LOT of Maxtors out there now (you can get a 30 
gig Maxtor for $30 at Staples after the rebate).  

You wrote:
 Maxtor bad, Matrox good.

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Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts

2003-06-20 Thread Erylon Hines

On Friday 20 June 2003 08:58 am, Isaac Curtis wrote:


 8.0.  I'd love to be using one of the newer less clumsy versions but have
 no $.  I'd download a newer version (have a nice fast cable connection) but
 I can't download anything at all because even simple things like gaim won't
 install on my computer from rpm files because it says there are none of the
 basic libraries there (even though going to the software manager shows them
 all perfectly intact.)

How does that keep you from downloading the whole distro???  8.0 is working 
for you, just not the way you want it, correct?   You can save the 9.1 ISO to 
your hard drive, make a hd installation floppy, and you don't even have to 
burn it to CD.  I couldn't get one of my machines to install from CD, so I 
copied the iso's to the Windows partition and installed 9.1 from there. You 
could make a spare partition on your 8.0 install, download 9.1 to that 
partition and run it from there.   Also, Cheapbytes has the whole distro for 
$6.99, plus shipping.  Although I consider 8.0 to be a good distro, 9.1 is 
excellent, and it will run passably on a P200 class machine.  No font 
problems (good anti-aliasing built in), prettier KDE, and no lib dependencies 
to mess around with.

e.

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[newbie] L-M 9.1 without CDs?

Okay, I realize that 9/10 of my problems come from the fact I'm running 8.0, 
but I don't have any $ to get ahold of 9.1.  I've never done an install 
except off CDs so could someone explain to me exactly what I'm doing or RTFM 
me to the appropriate howto?  I've gotten myself as far as this page - 
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3 - now I just need to figure out what 
I need to DL and what I need to do with it once I've got it.  Any help would 
be much appreciated.  Thanks!

Isaac

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Re: [newbie] L-M 9.1 without CDs?

2003-06-20 Thread dlwiggers

Give me your address off list, Isaac.  I'll send you a set of 9.1.

hth

Lee

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:38:44 -0400
Isaac Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Okay, I realize that 9/10 of my problems come from the fact I'm running 8.0, 
 but I don't have any $ to get ahold of 9.1.  I've never done an install 
 except off CDs so could someone explain to me exactly what I'm doing or RTFM 
 me to the appropriate howto?  I've gotten myself as far as this page - 
 http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3 - now I just need to figure out what 
 I need to DL and what I need to do with it once I've got it.  Any help would 
 be much appreciated.  Thanks!
 
 Isaac
 
 



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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

2003-06-20 Thread Joan Tur

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I'm also interested in playing HL and its mods (DOD) under linux... where can 
I find some information about making it run?  Is there a linux installer or 
do you use wine(x)?

TIA

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Re: [newbie] L-M 9.1 without CDs?

2003-06-20 Thread Erylon Hines

On Friday 20 June 2003 11:38 am, Isaac Curtis wrote:
 Okay, I realize that 9/10 of my problems come from the fact I'm running
 8.0, but I don't have any $ to get ahold of 9.1.  I've never done an
 install except off CDs so could someone explain to me exactly what I'm
 doing or RTFM me to the appropriate howto?  I've gotten myself as far as
 this page - http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3 - now I just need to
 figure out what I need to DL and what I need to do with it once I've got
 it.  Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks!

 Isaac

Darned easy, really.  Copy the downloaded Mandrake to a partition on your 
harddrive (Windows, ext or ReiserFS).  Be careful to maintain the hierarchy 
exactly as it would appear on the installation disks.  You need a separate 
partition so that you can format all the other partitions, leaving the 
partiton containing the disks intact.  On Dsk_1 there is a /images directory 
with an hd.img which is the hard-disk install floppy image.  The 
Install.txt (also under Dsk_1) has a howto with instructions to make a 
bootdisk for the install.  That is under the Other Installation Methods 
header of the Install.txt.


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Re: [newbie] Another super newbie question

2003-06-20 Thread Charlie

quoting Anne Wilson; Friday 20 June 2003 03:47 am:
On Friday 20 Jun 2003 1:32 am, Ralph Bagwell wrote:
Anne , thanks heaps.

No problem

Did what you said and have booted up three times now with no
glitches -.

Glad to hear it.

I got another question for ya - don't tell anyone I asked/.

I have managed to upgrade to KDE 312 on my right box - but I
can't do the same on the left box - maybe I have forgotten what I
did. What is the correct way to do that? (and should I bother) ?

Can't help on that one - never tried it. Generally I work on 'if it
an't broke, don't fix it' and I've not come across anything that
needed the upgrade. Sorry

(still working on trying to print with the Epson thru the LAN from
the right box - [while in Windows] ). Having now installed 9.1 on
that box (dual booting with XP) printing works just fine.)

So are you saying that the Epson is on your linux box and prints fine,
but your windows box can't print to it?

Anne

KDE 3.1.2 is just an Update not really an upgrade. By that I mean it's
(perhaps) less 'glitchy' than the shipped KDE and slightly cleaner in
function. For my machine anyway. Then again I have an odd mix of
cooker/release/third party installs.

Texstar's seems to work better than the official KDE package, and infinitely
better than trying to run the cooker version. YMMV Instructions follow.

To avoid bad signature messages;

GPG Key Instructions

Rpmdrake requires the maker of the rpm to sign their rpms. Here is how to
download and install my gpg key.

Download

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/gpgkey/pubring.gpg

Tex's pubring.gpg key for Linux Mandrake 9.1

Drop to the console or open an xterm and su to root.

Type: gpg --import pubring.gpg

To update to 3.1.2 since you're already in terminal mode and if you don't
already have it as a software source repository:

urpmi.addmedia texstar
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms
with hdlist.cz

all on one line.

You can install any of Texstar's RPMs from command line or from rpmdrake or
from the embedded rpmdrake in the Mandrake Control Centre after that.

For a newbie it's probably best to use the Mandrake Control Centre, Software
Manager.

On a side note; you can configure source repositories in a number of ways, but
the easiest is the easy urpmi page at PLF. You can also install a 'version'
of the same function from the install disks;

urpmi urpmi.setup

then run it with

urpmi.setup

The phrasing used on buttons is a bit whack though, you'll probably click a
button expecting it to do one thing but it'll do something else. Better just
to go to the page and use that.

http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/

Hope this helps.

Charlie
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Re: [newbie] SCSI Em- Again

2003-06-20 Thread Langsley T Russell

OK John.

I've done everything up to then copy your new fstab file to /etc directory. The only way I could find to change the name of the fstab file to fstab1 was to log on as root. When logged on as root none of my desktop files from my standard session are available. So there is nothing to copy. when I log back on as user I am denied permission to edit the etc file. If I can't manage to do that I guess I'll have to undo the name change to fstab/fstab1. how can I accomplish this crucial step?

LTR }}:{(

On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 11:43, John Richard Smith wrote:

OK, Langsley, I think it's time to start dropping supermount, maybe you
have the same problem with supermount as me. S0 I would like you to copy
this script ,

/dev/hda6 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/scd0 /mnt/scd0 auto
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0

into a fresh new text file on desktop , do this by moving the cursor
over a blank spot on desktop, rightmouse click down to create new - text
file, and name it fatab, then move the cursor over the icon of the new
fstab textfile and roghtmouse click- down to open with text editor, and
choose one, say kwrite , and then sweep the text I have given you here
with the mouse cursor and move the cursor over the open fstab text file
left mouse click to position, and then press middle mouse button, and
all the copyied text will fill out onto the page, then save and exit.

You then have a new fstab file .
Go to /etc directory in konqueror window and rename the existing fstab
file fstab1, then copy your new fstab file to /etc directory.

in a terminal , type, mount -a

and see if that gives you a writer

test by putting up something like xcdroast and see if it appears in the
device list.

or type in terminal,

cdrecord -scanbus, and see what it says,

John

Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:53:56 -0500
Jim Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

The GPL is significantly less complex than most other software licenses.
The complexity is (supposedly)  necessary from a legal standpoint. For
some reason 'You are free to do whatever you want with this software,
however if you distribute it you must distribute the source code with it
and any changes to the code must be distributed under these terms.' 
doesn't cut it from a legal standpoint.

My guess it is lawyers defending their jobs. If legal contracts were
written this clearly, we wouldn't need so many lawyers... 

hmmm, why is quoting not working for me anymore

anyhow, well said!
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Re: [newbie] It works!!!! And then.........

2003-06-20 Thread Thomas Williams

On Friday 20 June 2003 06:18 am, Derek Jennings wrote:
 What you needed was the umask option set. In the file /etc/fstab set up the 
 line for the windows partition something like this
 
 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
 
 The command 'mount -a' will remount your partitions
 
 The partition will be automatically mounted at boot. You do not need users 
to 
 have mount permission for it. All you need is permission for users to 
 read/write to it. That is what the umask does.

That's great, that worked good. thanx.
 
 derek
 
 BTW: Could you remove the Reply To: field in your KMail settings please?
 That is there for when you want to receive repiles to your mails on a 
 different account to the one you send from. If you have it set replies 
people 
 send to your mailing list posts go straight to you and not the list.
 

Well, I didn't see a specific way to turn it off, but I did have my email 
address in the field and I've taken it out. That should take care of it. If 
it doesn't, then have to dig into it and figure out what to change. Sorry 
about that.

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Re: [newbie]OT again, Chess Game: a personal plea/whine/rant/whatever

At 01:50 PM 6/20/2003 +0300, you wrote:
snips a dobermans tails length

You can indeed.  Browse through the Mandrake contribs directory for Go 
games and clients.

Incidentally, my Mandrake experience has been greatly enriched since I 
added contrib sources to urpmi. Contrib is where you find the funny, 
quirky or just plain obscure programs.  Sometimes you might miss them 
because they have a boring-looking name; for example, who'd have guessed 
that tdfsb was a funky 3D file browser that transforms your filesystem 
into a world reminiscent of Tron or Neuromancer that you can fly around 
in.  I've wasted hours playing with this little program already.

Sir Robin
 sounds awesome :D

Ty.. I may bug you offlist if you don't mind about this?

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Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM

On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:26:23 -0400
Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

IBM's part is obscure at best. What other evidence do you have that IBM
is
a bad guy?

all i'm saying is don't think IBM is going to be our knight in shining
armour, they could end up being just as antagonistic to the GPL as
anyone else.

btw, sorry, my quoting thing seems to be broken...

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Re: [newbie] SCSI Em- Again

Langsley T Russell wrote:

OK John.

I've done everything up to  /then copy your new fstab file to /etc 
directory./ The only way I could find to change the name of the fstab 
file to fstab1 was to log on as root. When logged on as root none of 
my desktop files from my standard session are available. So there is 
nothing to copy. when I log back on as user I am denied permission to 
edit the etc file. If I can't manage to do that I guess I'll have to 
undo the name change to fstab/fstab1. how can I accomplish this 
crucial step?

LTR  }}:{(

 

On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 11:43, John Richard Smith wrote:

/OK, Langsley, I think it's time to start dropping supermount, maybe you 
have the same problem with supermount as me. S0 I would like you to copy 
this script ,

/dev/hda6 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/scd0 /mnt/scd0 auto 
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto 
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0

into a fresh new text file on desktop , do this by moving the cursor 
over a blank spot on desktop, rightmouse click down to create new - text 
file, and name it fatab, then  move the cursor over the icon of the new 
fstab textfile and roghtmouse click- down to open with text editor, and 
choose one, say kwrite , and then sweep the text I have given you here 
with the mouse cursor and move the cursor over the open fstab text file 
left mouse click to position, and then press middle mouse button, and 
all the copyied text will fill out onto the page, then save and exit.

You then have a new fstab file .
Go to /etc directory in konqueror window and rename the existing fstab 
file fstab1, then copy your new fstab file to /etc directory.

in a terminal , type, mount -a

and see if that gives you a writer

test by putting up something like xcdroast and see if it appears in the 
device list.

or type in terminal,

cdrecord -scanbus, and see what it says,

John/

Can you copy to a floppy,

Better still copy new fstab to one of those fat32/vfat partitions that 
you already have a line in your existing fstab, then logon as root, then 
you should be able to make the necessary change in /etc directory.  All 
this ought to be done as root anyway. you are constructing system files 
for universal use, not some oddjob user task.

I could get you into a root terminal but then you will have to issue 
root commands which is more difficult for the newbie. Can you logon as 
root  to a root desktop ?

John

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Re: [newbie] RTCW on linux (well, Mandrake to be more specific)

At 08:44 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:52:10 -0600
FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 ROFL you already loved me! :)  but you're sweety anyway.

 yes i'm in alberta... home of queers, steers  repressive
 dictatorships.   See: Gay marriage issue. Sigh
ya, I've been following that. I thought we had it bad out here with
Harris, he's a boyscout compared to that lunatic Klein. I'm a peaceful
man (er, most of the time), but i'd like to put three clips into his
groin...
you know what, I think it's about time we stopped *asking nicely*. It's
about time to hit the streets, bash some pigs, you with me?
Lock and Load!

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I won't get into the local politics here... not the place for it.  Suffice 
to say i made my statement @ the local Gay Pride parade over the 
weekend.  I'd upload pix but i'm sure some would be offended by them.
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Re: [newbie] what do these different things mean? KDE, Gnome, etc

2003-06-20 Thread Steven Broos

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 18:19, Crak600 - Michael wrote:
 And one more question...what is ROOT and what is it used for?  when would i 
 ever have to use it and how do i get into ROOT?  ROOT is used for adding 
 programs or making changes, right?

root is the superuser, as explained by all those nice people, but 'the
root' is the base of your filesystem structure too.
The filesystem is built in a tree:

 /
  |-boot  -- /boot
  |-home  -- /home
  | |-user1   -- /home/user1
  | | |-somedir   -- /home/user1/somedir
  | |-user2   -- /home/user2
  |-usr   -- /usr

The root is the lowest level in the filesystem-structure ( / ), as the
first slash in  /home/user1/somedir/...

Actually, I'm feeling a little insecure about this because no-one
mentioned it, but I'm almost sure it's correct :-)

Steven


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Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM

2003-06-20 Thread Thomas Williams

On Friday 20 June 2003 09:12 am, JoeHill wrote:
 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2136285,00.html
 
 Quote:
 
 A UK IT industry body backed by Microsoft, IBM, Intel, BAE Systems and
 other high-tech heavyweights has urged the UK government to show
 restraint in its use of open-source software, particularly software
 covered by the General Public License.

OK, I read this article and I don't really get the same thing out of it. Such 
as what this part says:
Intellect, which was formed from the merger of the Computer Services and 
Software Association and the Federation of the Electronics Industry last 
year, and represents about 1,000 UK IT companies.

IBM may only be in it for what prestige it buys them, obviously the group does 
not represent IBM's views. Most likely it is the majority view, which may or 
may not be right. Anyway, furthermore, I think what they're saying is 
legitimate. The government wants to require the GPL in its software 
contracts, and this group is saying that for government contracts this may be 
a bad idea. They didn't state it directly, at least not that I saw, but it 
would stand to reason that you don't want critical software to be publicly 
available so that would-be terrorists or crackers can read the source code 
and find a way in. While I applaud the UK attempting to stand behind the GPL 
like that, I think this group in this instance may be right.

 
 and apparently we can't trust Sun either. They're in on this whole SCO
 thing:
 
 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=6976
 
 Seems SCO's filing annual filing with the SEC exposed some interesting
 info, to whit:
 
  We initiated the SCOsource effort to review the status of these
 licensing and sublicensing agreements and to identify others in the
 industry that may be currently using our intellectual property without
 obtaining the necessary licenses. *[this is where it gets
 interesting]* This effort resulted in the execution of two license
 agreements during the April 30, 2003 quarter. The first of these
 licenses was with a long-time licensee of the UNIX source code which is
 a major participant in the UNIX industry and was aclean-up license to
 cover items that were outside the scope of the initial license. The
 second license was to Microsoft Corporation(Microsoft), and covers
 Microsoft's UNIX compatibility products, subject to certain specified
 limitations. These license agreements will be typical of those we expect
 to enter into with developers, manufacturers, and distributors of
 operating systems in that they are non-exclusive, perpetual,
 royalty-free, paid up licenses to utilize the UNIX source code,
 including the right to sublicense that code.

OK, I don't get this one. I read the article and I see your quote here, and 
nowhere does it mention Sun's involvement. The only Sun involvement I see is 
in the paragraph above this one where it mentions Sun's Solaris. Now that I 
look at it again, I see where you're going license with a long-time 
licensee, but you cannot infer that that is Sun without some sort of proof. 
Besides, even if it is, it may be for good reason on Sun's part.

But this is my 2 cents worth.

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Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts

On Friday 20 Jun 2003 5:10 pm, Isaac Curtis wrote:
 On Thursday 19 June 2003 13:15, you wrote:
  On Thursday 19 Jun 2003 5:23 pm, Crak600 - Michael wrote:
   On Thursday 19 June 2003 12:03 pm, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:35:15 -0400
   
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this worries me, I here a lot of Maxtor's failing on this
 list...
   
I've noticed that too..think I've seen it on other lists
also. Cust serv said This drive's proven to be very
solid...
  
   wow, that hearing that makes me glad i didn't order Maxtor
   drives. I went with WD and am waiting for a 2nd one right now. 
   has anyone heard anything bad about the WD drives?  my current
   one was new when installed and has been in the computer for 2-3
   months with no problems so far.  Thanks.
 
  Yup - you should hear what some people say about WD.  I've come
  to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a good
  hard-drive manufacturer.  There are scare stories about all of
  them.  So, you have to buy something.
 
  Anne

 In my experience working with a wide range of hardware, Maxtor is
 just about the bottom of the barrel.  Seagate (Barracuda IV is
 excellent) is the top of the line for IDE drives, and WD isn't bad
 at all.  When all you go by is the complaints you hear, everything
 will sound relatively equal, but working with a large quantity and
 a wide range of drives you start to see distinct tiers in quality,
 with Maxtor coming out on bottom of virtually any head-to-head
 comparison.   I had a frequent flier that used to get confused
 about Maxtor vs. Matrox, one being a terrible hard drive
 manufacturer and the other being an exceptional (non-3d) graphics
 card manufacturer.  He would come in with these new hard drives to
 be installed and I would have to re-explain every time that they
 had nothing to do with one another.  Maxtor bad, Matrox good.

I have used Maxtor and Fujitsu drives for years - many years - and 
have never had problems with either until the problem with Maxtor a 
few months ago.  I spoke to tech support at my vendors, and they said 
that they had found exactly the same.

As I said, I have heard bad about every manufacturer, so I stick with 
the brands that I have always found to be reliable - and one is 
Maxtor.

Anne

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[newbie] REPLY FROM AUTHOR: Are all writers submitting to FUD usage?]]

I read Rob Enderle's article, and was a bit agro, but managed to write
him something that wasn't quite so agro - I tried very hard to let
intellect override my personal feelings, and believe it or not, I got a
response:

BEGIN FWD
 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Are all writers submitting to FUD usage?
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:59:24 -0700
From: Rob Enderle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kuhn Media Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Actually I wasn't paid for this at all, however it wouldn't be unusual for
this to happen, one of the problems with a free product is it often doesn't
have the resources to defend against a direct attack and Microsoft really
wants this puppy to go away and they are incredibly well funded, somewhat
inept in their approach, but well funded.  I actually haven't noticed that
trend, and many of the folks I work with have stopped writing on Linux
because of the hate mail when they aren't positive.  Not a good sign.

Windows 95 was pilloried, and OS/2 was shot (I know because I was the
primary analyst doing the shooting, long story here).  It may be a memory
thing but I was covering both and the breakage (and sloppy roll out) that
surrounded this platform (95) resulted in a massive press backlash that
most seem to have forgotten, including Microsoft.

Next month I'll do the Microsoft thing and piss off a whole new set of
folks.   Best!

Rob Enderle | Research Fellow, Giga | Forrester Research, Inc.
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 Subject: Are all writers submitting to FUD usage? 

06/19/2003 11:20   

PM 

In the past six months, 99% of IT writers are all becoming vehemently
biased in the OSS/linux war.
It would appear, from an outsiders perspective, that people are being
paid to write with a particular slant in favour of Microsoft and against
OSS/linux.

The bitterness and potty mouth tactics arise from the fact that
OSS/linux are being slammed left and right everywhere you go.

Articles like Linux Is Not Ready For the Enterprise (Opinion) only go
to make it worse.

The media and FUD battle never occurred around OS/2 and Win95 - but
now it's growing in horrible proportions on a daily basis.

Could it be because OSS/linux doesn't have the capital to media blitz
or purchase writers opinions?

I've been steeped in computers for 25 years now. That's an awful long
time. I've seen battles come and go. I'm rather surprised that most
people's opinions sway towards a product and a company that can get away
with consistently putting out unfinished product, buggy product and
insecure product - and convince people that it's worth it, or convince
the public that it's what they want. It's the AOL marketing scheme all
over again.

When you blatantly blast a sector of the public, it comes back to haunt
you, and ill feelings come with it as well.

I'm so sorry to see otherwise intelligent tech writers turning into FUD
tools.

END FWD

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[newbie] pyvorbis/pyogg says libogg and libvorbis must be installed, already are.

2003-06-20 Thread Brian J. Trainor

Pretty much as the subject says, I'm trying to install pyvorbis and pyogg so I 
can use pyslsk for uh...  research.  At any rate, the rpm informs me I need 
libogg and libvorbis installed.  AFAICT, libogg0, libvorbis0 and both their 
devel packages are installed.  What did I do?

Thanks,
Brian


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Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

Okay, this message has come up five times now. What the hell is
wrong with the Mandrake list server?

Miark



On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:52:34 -0400
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 this guy is a *nutjob*.
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2999780.stm
 
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 + People say Linux is ugly. How does that make you feel?
 + Torvalds: They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution
 + comes.  
 
 
 
 
 

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[newbie] Running Enemy Territory as regular user

2003-06-20 Thread Björn Olsson

Hello

The previous ET thread on this list got me interested, so I
downloaded the game. I then installed it as root. Now, it behaves all
right when I run it as root but otherwise it refuses to start. When run
with the option +set r_allowSoftwareGL 1 mentioned below, it does
actually start but runs incredibly slow. Does anyone know a remedy?

I don't see the reason for the line libGL error: failed to open DRM:
Operation not permitted, since the file powervr.o in
/lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/char/drm is readable to all.
Or could DRM mean something else? 
I'm running mdk 9.1 and the graphics card is a Hercules 3D Prophet 4500
(Kyro II chipset from PowerVR).

Can someone please help? I don't look forward to go on-line as root :-(

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Björn Olsson


[EMAIL PROTECTED] bjorn]$ et
ET 2.55 linux-i386 May 27 2003
- FS_Startup -
Current search path:
/home/bjorn/.etwolf/etmain
/usr/local/games/enemy-territory/etmain/pak0.pk3 (3725 files)
/usr/local/games/enemy-territory/etmain/mp_bin.pk3 (4 files)
/usr/local/games/enemy-territory/etmain

--
3729 files in pk3 files
execing default.cfg
couldn't exec language.cfg
couldn't exec autoexec.cfg
Hunk_Clear: reset the hunk ok

--- Input Initialization ---
Joystick is not active.

Bypassing CD checks
- Client Initialization -
- Initializing Renderer 
---
- Client Initialization Complete -
- R_Init -
...loading libGL.so.1: Initializing OpenGL display
...setting mode 4: 800 600
Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 800x600
libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted
libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
Using 4/4/4 Color bits, 24 depth, 0 stencil display.
GL_RENDERER: Mesa GLX Indirect

***
 You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
 Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1
 If this is intentional, add
   +set r_allowSoftwareGL 1
 to the command line when starting the game.
***
...WARNING: could not set the given mode (4)
Initializing OpenGL display
...setting mode 3: 640 480
Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 640x480
Received signal 11, exiting...

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Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!