Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Dobrescu Mihai
Six months ago I've purchased a 5550 (pretty
expensive) and the drivers on Windows still have
problems with the color tones.
On MDK worked much better... despite of HP
*sponsoring*. ;-)

--- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 12 Nov 2004 13:32, Greg Meyer wrote:
  Ever try
  to install Windows from scratch, track down
 drivers and get them installed
  without a network connection, then try to
 configure a wireless conection so
  that it co-exists nicely with more than one access
 point, and then try to
  apply the Windows updates before getting infected?
  It's not a picnic
  either.
 
 It took me something like 3 hours to get my printer
 installed under windows.  
 It's an HP Deskjet, and I had the driver disk, but
 the * would *not* 
 install.  Eventually I worked out that it would not
 install because it was on 
 a USB hub.  Once I connected it directly to the box,
 it worked.  Now how was 
 I supposed to know that?  There were no error
 messages - it just said there 
 was no USB printer.  And they call this
 user-friendly?
 
 The same printer installed perfectly under Mandrake,
 and serves two other 
 boxes on the LAN, just by editing one single
 printerserver line in CUPS 
 configuration.  Guess which I prefer?
 
 Anne
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Keith Powell
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 23:45, Dennis Myers wrote:

 On the other hand, a friend of mine at work was complaining about their
 home comp not giving access to the internet but the worm/virus that
 infected it would connect whenever it wanted. So I hand her a disk with
 MandrakeMove on it and tell her to boot from cdrom get on the net and
 download the antivirus file they need to clean the harddrive and get back
 on track. Guess what ? It worked like a charm. The Move found all their
 hardware, detected their internet connection, gave them access and allowed
 them to d/l the needed files.

Thanks, Dennis.

What a good idea to use a LiveCD to download Windows stuff. I hadn't thought 
of that!

I have 98SE on a small hard drive (for occasional use), and it is not, nor 
ever will be, connected to the Internet. At the moment, if there is anything 
Windows I want to download, I do so in Linux, burn it to a CD-RW, replace 
the Linux hard drive with the Windows one (they are on separate caddies) and 
copy the stuff off the CD.

Your idea is much more simple and much better.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 07:09, Dobrescu Mihai wrote:

 He's right!
 But don't expect that Linux or any Linux distro was
 meant for your needs and blame it if it doesn't have
 all the features you need. Linux covers -let say - 98%
 of users needs in general, but if you were unlucky to
 be in the 2% do not be angry, just propose! There will
 be somebody to hear you, to join you and MDK is the
 place!

But 2% with a specific need can be important.  As Dobrescu hinted, if you can 
locate other groups with similar requirements it is often possible to get a 
project started.  There may even be one around, somewhere, already, but in 
early stages.  The offerings at first will not be as good as the one you are 
used to, but if you remember early windows versions they were not so good 
either.  The trick lies in finding where like-minded people hang out, then 
joining their discussions.  Good luck.

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Re: [newbie] mail problem

2004-11-13 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 23:34, Cezary Morga wrote:

 I've got four mail accounts on polish free mail servers. Unfortunately I
 keep experiencing some problems when trying to send anything from three
 of them via SMTP. It takes a lot of time to just connect to them - the
 rest goes swell. Only one of them - the one I'm using right now - works
 without a hitch.

I'm not sure I've understood you correctly, with regard to the way that you 
are sending.  One thing does spring to mind, though.  With the UK ISPs, if 
you are connected through one ISP and attempt to use the smtp server of your 
other ISP account it will not be sent, as relaying is blocked.  Could this be 
related?

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Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-13 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 23:40, Wojciech Podgórni wrote:
 Hello everyone!
 I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat
 screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it
 would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old -
 GeForce 256 DDR video card, old Pentium Celeron motherboard, slow
 processor (but much RAM), etc. The problem is that Mandrake hardware
 database is quite incomplete and it lacks some of the newer hardware.
 The question is:
 Is Mandrake going to work with the newer Plug'n'Play monitors such as
 SAMSUNG 17 - 793 DF ? Should I expect any problems?
 Thank you in advance for any answer.
 Wojciech Podgórni

Around 2 years ago I bought this Taxan LCD monitor, and asked the same 
question.  I rang Taxan's tech. support line and was told that *any* LCD that 
is plug'n'Play should work with Linux.

I also have an Iiyama running with Linux, but like Richard, I have to say that 
there are sometimes minor setup problems.  The Iiyama, for instance, is 
detected as capable of 24-bit colour, but that causes problems.  Set it to 
run at 16-bit and all the problems disappear.  16M colours is more than I can 
see, anyway ;-)

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Re: Fwd: [newbie] A short notice to gmail users

2004-11-13 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 03:37, David E. Fox wrote:
 On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:06:20 +

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  a sig on the lines of 'I am a gmail user and cannot turn off reply-to.
 
  Please be aware of this.'

 It wouldn't be easier just to change clients?

Possibly, but then everyone has their own reasons for their choice.  And long 
live choice!

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Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-13 Thread Wojciech Podgrni
Uytkownik Anne Wilson napisa:
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 23:40, Wojciech Podgrni wrote:
 

Hello everyone!
I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat
screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it
would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old -
GeForce 256 DDR video card, old Pentium Celeron motherboard, slow
processor (but much RAM), etc. The problem is that Mandrake hardware
database is quite incomplete and it lacks some of the newer hardware.
The question is:
Is Mandrake going to work with the newer Plug'n'Play monitors such as
SAMSUNG 17 - 793 DF ? Should I expect any problems?
Thank you in advance for any answer.
Wojciech Podgrni
   

Around 2 years ago I bought this Taxan LCD monitor, and asked the same 
question.  I rang Taxan's tech. support line and was told that *any* LCD that 
is plug'n'Play should work with Linux.

I also have an Iiyama running with Linux, but like Richard, I have to say that 
there are sometimes minor setup problems.  The Iiyama, for instance, is 
detected as capable of 24-bit colour, but that causes problems.  Set it to 
run at 16-bit and all the problems disappear.  16M colours is more than I can 
see, anyway ;-)

Anne
 

Thank you for your anwers!
But my question was about *non*-LCD monitors... Do all the newest 
Plug'n'Play non-LCD monitors work with Mandrake?

Wojciech Podgrni
PS. BTW, I am glad to read that LCD monitors work with Mandrake!


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Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-13 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 10:58, Wojciech Podgrni wrote:
 Uytkownik Anne Wilson napisa:
 On Friday 12 Nov 2004 23:40, Wojciech Podgrni wrote:
 Hello everyone!
 I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat
 screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it
 would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old -
 GeForce 256 DDR video card, old Pentium Celeron motherboard, slow
 processor (but much RAM), etc. The problem is that Mandrake hardware
 database is quite incomplete and it lacks some of the newer hardware.
 The question is:
 Is Mandrake going to work with the newer Plug'n'Play monitors such as
 SAMSUNG 17 - 793 DF ? Should I expect any problems?
 Thank you in advance for any answer.
 Wojciech Podgrni
 
 Around 2 years ago I bought this Taxan LCD monitor, and asked the same
 question.  I rang Taxan's tech. support line and was told that *any* LCD
  that is plug'n'Play should work with Linux.
 
 I also have an Iiyama running with Linux, but like Richard, I have to say
  that there are sometimes minor setup problems.  The Iiyama, for instance,
  is detected as capable of 24-bit colour, but that causes problems.  Set
  it to run at 16-bit and all the problems disappear.  16M colours is more
  than I can see, anyway ;-)
 
 Anne

 Thank you for your anwers!
 But my question was about *non*-LCD monitors... Do all the newest
 Plug'n'Play non-LCD monitors work with Mandrake?

 Wojciech Podgrni

 PS. BTW, I am glad to read that LCD monitors work with Mandrake!

Oops - sorry!  I think the answer will be the same, though.  Linux appears to 
handle pnp perfectly well.  Good luck

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Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-13 Thread Richard Urwin
On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 10:58 am, Wojciech Podgrni wrote:
 Thank you for your anwers!
 But my question was about *non*-LCD monitors... Do all the newest
 Plug'n'Play non-LCD monitors work with Mandrake?

No direct experience of them, but I see no reason the shouldn't.

The important bits are the plug, and the monitor being plugplay.

This monitor is plugplay, and appears to use a standard VGA plug. If 
your video card can produce a dot clock above 110MHz you should have no 
problem.

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Re: [newbie] mail problem

2004-11-13 Thread Cezary Morga
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:16:51 +
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 12 Nov 2004 23:34, Cezary Morga wrote:
 
  I've got four mail accounts on polish free mail servers.
  Unfortunately I keep experiencing some problems when trying to send
  anything from three of them via SMTP. It takes a lot of time to just
  connect to them - the rest goes swell. Only one of them - the one
  I'm using right now - works without a hitch.
 
 I'm not sure I've understood you correctly, with regard to the way
 that you are sending.  One thing does spring to mind, though.  With
 the UK ISPs, if you are connected through one ISP and attempt to use
 the smtp server of your other ISP account it will not be sent, as
 relaying is blocked.  Could this be related?

No. My ISP doesn't even give me any e-mail account, so I doubt they
would like to block it. And as I have mentioned the problem occurred
some time ago - two weeks? I ain't sure.

I have problems connecting to mail servers via SMTP (yes I've check if
I'm using the right port). POP3 works well.
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Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-13 Thread Wojciech Podgrni
Uytkownik Anne Wilson napisa:
On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 10:58, Wojciech Podgrni wrote:
 

snip
Thank you for your anwers!
But my question was about *non*-LCD monitors... Do all the newest
Plug'n'Play non-LCD monitors work with Mandrake?
Wojciech Podgrni
PS. BTW, I am glad to read that LCD monitors work with Mandrake!
   

Oops - sorry!  I think the answer will be the same, though.  Linux appears to 
handle pnp perfectly well.  Good luck

Anne
 

That's good to hear!
Thank you for your answers, everyone. :-)
Wojciech Podgrni


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Stew Benedict

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, JoeHill wrote:

 On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:55:46 -0500
 Jack disseminated the following:
 
  Joe, you really need to read more carefully.  I'll let you look at my 
  initial post (at the top) again so you can figure it out for yourself...
 
 LOL! Okay, I shouldn't o' had that last hit of acid...
 
 

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Re: [newbie] Re: Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread SnapafunFrank
Jack wrote:
Björn Lundin wrote:
Jack wrote:
 

Okay, I've spent a couple of months playing with Mandrake Linux (10.1
community) and here are my (unsolicited) impressions:
   

 

3 - Couldn't upgrade to KDE 3.3, despite having the CD for it and
despite help from experts like Randall.  I spent *weeks* on this.
Nothing I tried worked, nor did any suggestions work.
   

I missed that thread. I run mdk 10.0 download edition,
and a 
urpmi.update -a -f --wget   urpmi --wget --auto --auto-select
--no-verify-rpm

with thacs repository added did upgrade to 3.3. I think I had one hickup,
but
urpme hickup-packge solved it
(go to http://rpm.nyvalls.se/ and look for instructions on how to add it as
urpmi-source)
 

Will this same command work in 10.1 community?  And what is thacs 
repository?  And should the last command read urpme 
hickup-packAge?  (The A capitalized so that you would notice it.)

- Jack
First, the answer to your reply - Part1 is within the help offered.  GO 
TOhttp://rpm.nyvalls.se/ 

Second,  hickup-package or hickup-packge is to be replaced by the 
actual package name.
]
Me thinks we need some sleep.

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Re: [newbie] ssh port forwarding more then one port

2004-11-13 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 01:04, Lovell Mcilwain wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I am trying to forward more then one port over ssh via command line on 
 my linux box but I can't seem to get the syntax right.  I have copied my 
 script blow can anyone tell me if my / are right or if there is 
 something that I am missing.
 
 I am also having trouble trying to get to any of my other machines that 
 have ssh on it through the one machine that I do this port forwarding 
 on.  Can anyone share any insight as to how I can do that as well?
 
 Thanks
 
 L
 
 
 #!/bin/sh
 sudo ssh \
  -L xx:localhost:xx \
  -L xxx:localhost:xxx \
  -L :localhost: \
  -L x:localhost: \
  -X -C -c [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hate to say this, but:

man ssh

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Re: [newbie] Newsforge Fightin' the FUD

2004-11-13 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 01:17, JoeHill wrote:
 Quote:
 
 Evan Blomquist, Linux instructor at The Training Camp, suppliers of on campus
 training, believes the debate on Linux security for the desktop is occurring
 only because of Microsoft's record. He believes Microsoft has become so
 blinkered by the fight that it thinks all operating systems have the same
 problems. He says that Microsoft's view has been colored by a false 
 experience,
 and that the company is making a strategic mistake by attacking Linux 
 security.
 
 He does not believe Linux is at so much risk. A cursory tour of the 
 fundamental
 architecture should help you understand that Linux simply doesn't provide the
 fertile breeding ground for rogue software that Windows does, he says.
 
 Blomquist says it is impossible to predict the issues that would face a world 
 in
 which 95 percent of computer users were using a Linux desktop environment, but
 he believes security would be far less of a problem. Virus pollution would 
 not
 be nearly as prolific as it is under the current Microsoft desktop dominance,
 for fundamental OS architecture differences.
 
 Link:
 
 http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/2014240

Don't even get me started mate...

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 13 November 2004 02:30 am, frankieh wrote:
 I'm not much for digital music at the moment anyway..  and with the
 ridiculous DRM antics the RRIA are playing with, I'm unlikely to start.
 I also refuse to buy music CD's anymore either, my way of protest. (used
 to buy at least one a month.)

A great way to maintain the protest while supporting local businesses is to 
pruchase used CD's.  We have several stores that have a nice stock and none 
of the proceeds go to the labels.  I have found some good music that way.  It 
is also easier to stomach a miss if it cost $5-6 than the $15-20 of a new CD.

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Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 03:06, JoeHill wrote:
 My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing 
 Queen'
 and the like. Is this safe?
 
 Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing their
 system? Are there special precautions I can take in advance?
 
 Thanks!

Downloading and listening to anything Abba related is dangerous.
Take it from me.
I moved to a country that thinks Abba is cool.

Bad stuff mate.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 10:03, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Friday 12 November 2004 01:51 pm, JoeHill wrote:
  On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:47:13 +1100
 
  Andrewd disseminated the following:
   Of course down here in Australia it is illegal to make any copies no
   matter what the reason. So basically all those people running around
   with ipods cannot legally use them here as Apple do not allow you to use
   the Apple store here. We have no concept of 'fair use' like in the US
 
  It's all kinda moot anyhow. There's no way for the recording industry to
  stop it. No law, no encoding scheme, will ever turn back the tide.
 
  Well, except maybe in Oz, where people are well known for their deep
  respect for authority figures, eh Stephen? ;-)
 He can't answer he tried to cool his machine with liquid nitrogen fell asleep 
 during an upgrade now his lips are frozen to the keyboard ;-)

Bitch.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 06:33, Lee Wiggers wrote:

 Lips?

I have no lips.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 08:51, JoeHill wrote:
 On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:47:13 +1100
 Andrewd disseminated the following:
 
  Of course down here in Australia it is illegal to make any copies no
  matter what the reason. So basically all those people running around
  with ipods cannot legally use them here as Apple do not allow you to use
  the Apple store here. We have no concept of 'fair use' like in the US
 
 It's all kinda moot anyhow. There's no way for the recording industry to stop
 it. No law, no encoding scheme, will ever turn back the tide.
 
 Well, except maybe in Oz, where people are well known for their deep respect 
 for
 authority figures, eh Stephen? ;-)

Respect for authority?

WHY DO YOU THINK I MOVED HERE?

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread mooney
On Saturday 13 November 2004 17:38, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Saturday 13 November 2004 02:30 am, frankieh wrote:
  I'm not much for digital music at the moment anyway..  and with the
  ridiculous DRM antics the RRIA are playing with, I'm unlikely to start.
  I also refuse to buy music CD's anymore either, my way of protest. (used
  to buy at least one a month.)

 A great way to maintain the protest while supporting local businesses is to
 pruchase used CD's.  We have several stores that have a nice stock and none
 of the proceeds go to the labels.  I have found some good music that way. 
 It is also easier to stomach a miss if it cost $5-6 than the $15-20 of a
 new CD.

Isn't 'transferring ownership' breach of copyright as well?


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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 15:44, Stephen Kühn wrote:

 Respect for authority?

 WHY DO YOU THINK I MOVED HERE?

A certain female authority, IIRC?

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread rikona
Hello Jack,

Friday, November 12, 2004, 8:07:40 PM, Jack wrote:

J Funny you should mention this... a few years back, I had a small
J problem with Win98.  I was still within the support period so I
J called their tech support.  Before you knew it, the fella wanted me
J to re-install Windows.  Being polite as I could be, I then told him
J I would *not* re-install, and I needed to talk to a higher level
J tech.  First level techs often know very little beyond what their
J computer screens are telling them about a specific problem.

I'm familiar with that problem. By the time I call, I've often done
almost everything the first level tech will suggest, and I try to
escalate quickly.

J Despite my politeness, he got really pissed off and I had to be
J quite firm in requesting a higher level tech.

Yep!

J I think first level MS support is told to suggest  re-installing if
J nothing else shows up in their knowledgebase.

This seems to apply to ALL levels of techs at M$. :-(((

J Another time (and this really pissed me off), the Windows guy told
J me it was my hardware, and the hardware guy told me it was Windows.

Another familiar problem. Try conference calls, if you can arrange it.
Makes for an interesting conversation. :-)

Seems what we both seem to remember is getting pissed off at M$. :-))

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Saturday 13 November 2004 11:45 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 13 November 2004 17:38, Greg Meyer wrote:
  On Saturday 13 November 2004 02:30 am, frankieh wrote:
   I'm not much for digital music at the moment anyway..  and with the
   ridiculous DRM antics the RRIA are playing with, I'm unlikely to start.
   I also refuse to buy music CD's anymore either, my way of protest. (used
   to buy at least one a month.)
 
  A great way to maintain the protest while supporting local businesses is 
to
  pruchase used CD's.  We have several stores that have a nice stock and 
none
  of the proceeds go to the labels.  I have found some good music that way. 
  It is also easier to stomach a miss if it cost $5-6 than the $15-20 of a
  new CD.
 
 Isn't 'transferring ownership' breach of copyright as well?

I doubt it. That would imply that I can't buy a book/CD/DVD and give it to 
someone as a gift. If so, that's really going to p*** off the mass market 
retailers.
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[newbie] Re: Re: Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Björn Lundin
 Will this same command work in 10.1 community?  And what is thacs
 repository?  And should the last command read urpme
 hickup-packAge?  (The A capitalized so that you would notice it.)

 - Jack
 
 First, the answer to your reply - Part1 is within the help offered.  GO
 TOhttp://rpm.nyvalls.se/

Correct, I was perhaps not clear enough

 Second,  hickup-package or hickup-packge is to be replaced by the
 actual package name.

Also correct, supposed to be 'hickup-package', ie the package urpmi
complained about, and called 'hickup-package' because I don't remember the
actual name of it. 

If this works on 10.1, I don't know, but thacs has rpms for 10.1 as well.
I only run 10.0

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 04:22, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 15:44, Stephen Kühn wrote:
 
  Respect for authority?
 
  WHY DO YOU THINK I MOVED HERE?
 
 A certain female authority, IIRC?
 
 Anne

That was PART of it...

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Re: [newbie] mail problem

2004-11-13 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Saturday 13 November 2004 06:24, Cezary Morga wrote:

 No. My ISP doesn't even give me any e-mail account, so I doubt they
 would like to block it. And as I have mentioned the problem occurred
 some time ago - two weeks? I ain't sure.

 I have problems connecting to mail servers via SMTP (yes I've check if
 I'm using the right port). POP3 works well.

The mail servers must be using some sort of authentication mechanism or else 
they would be blocked to here and back for running open relays and even if 
you could connect, it would do you little good because everyone would drop 
your mail server's packets anyway.

Perhaps they are using POP before SMTP for authentication and require you to 
download or check your mail before sending?

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[newbie] Simultaneous media record and play - was: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread rikona
Friday, November 12, 2004, 11:30:46 PM, frankieh wrote:

f One thing that never really made sense to me, is all the effort
f that the record companies are going to in order to stop copying.
f The reason it makes no sense, is because no matter what they do, it
f has to output to headphones.. so there is nothing stopping people
f from  plugging a line out into a line in (on a recorder) and just
f recording the output.

True. I have been thinking about a 'copier' function on the computer,
where I could play a 'controlled' CD/DVD with normal audio/video
output and at the same time make a copy I can use the way I want to.
What would be the best configuration for such a 'copier' computer? For
just-audio? For just-video? For both?

Would it be easier to just use the computer as a recorder, with the
input coming from another computer or player?

f I'm not much for digital music at the moment anyway..  and with the
f ridiculous DRM antics the RRIA are playing with, I'm unlikely to
f start.

Likewise. It is a HUGE turnoff for me. I want to play it where I want,
when I want. If I can't, forget it.

f I also refuse to buy music CD's anymore either, my way of protest.
f (used to buy at least one a month.)

Likewise, but I'm sure they will just point to the loss of sales as
more evidence of stealing, and become even more paranoid. A complete
bunch of idiots.

Also, I will no longer buy a whole CD for just the one or two songs I
really like. Waste of money, IMHO.

I have been exploring 'other' artists via the net, and will support
those who are NOT associated with the DRM-pushers. Some fine music out
there, too.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread mooney
On Saturday 13 November 2004 20:05, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
 On Saturday 13 November 2004 11:45 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Saturday 13 November 2004 17:38, Greg Meyer wrote:
   On Saturday 13 November 2004 02:30 am, frankieh wrote:
I'm not much for digital music at the moment anyway..  and with the
ridiculous DRM antics the RRIA are playing with, I'm unlikely to
start. I also refuse to buy music CD's anymore either, my way of
protest. (used to buy at least one a month.)
  
   A great way to maintain the protest while supporting local businesses
   is

 to

   pruchase used CD's.  We have several stores that have a nice stock and

 none

   of the proceeds go to the labels.  I have found some good music that
   way. It is also easier to stomach a miss if it cost $5-6 than the
   $15-20 of a new CD.
 
  Isn't 'transferring ownership' breach of copyright as well?

 I doubt it. That would imply that I can't buy a book/CD/DVD and give it to
 someone as a gift. If so, that's really going to p*** off the mass market
 retailers.

Pick up a book and read the copyright notice. I've always felt it was 
ambiguous.

Wouldn't it also depend on whether you bought the item or a license to use the 
item, a la MS?


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[newbie] Bash Prompt

2004-11-13 Thread Elliot S.
I am of course new to linux, I'm taking a class in which one thing 
we learned was to change the environmental variable of the prompt using 
the line PS1=  I want my prompt to display my current working 
directory, and the way I did that in the class was add PS1=`pwd` Now 
the class was an older version of the bash shell running out on a 
free-bsd server. I tried to get my prompt on mine at home by adding the 
same line to my .bashrc file in my home directory. It only displays my 
home directory, even when I change into other directories. So can 
someone help with what I'm doing wrong and/or what's different than the 
bash at school, that makes this difficult. I appreciate all the help 
you've given me thus far.
Thx,
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Re: [newbie] Kppp settings problem?

2004-11-13 Thread Lorin Jenny Pino

- Original Message -
From: Marek Pawinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Kppp settings problem?


 Lorin  Jenny Pino wrote:
  Kppp will dial in and establish a connection.  However, I can't access
  any web sites.  If I try ping www.yahoo.com http://www.yahoo.com, I
  get ping: unknown host www.yahoo.com http://www.yahoo.com.  If I try
  ping 216.109.118.66 as seen on an earlier post, I get connect: network
  is not reachable.  I am running Mandrake 9.1.  What do I need to change?
  Thanks!

 You can also try looking at your default gateway. kppp does not like if
 you have a default gateway set of your LAN. The default gateway should
 be that of the IP the ISP gave you when you logged on. Have a look at
 the route command.

 Marek


I'm sorry for how long it has been for my reply, but I wanted to make sure I
had tried everything that was suggested.  The firewall is disabled.  In the
field in kppp marked execute upon command, I entered:  route add default
ppp0.  I don't think that the dynamic IP address is an issue, because if I
ask for details on the connection (while connected), kppp has the local
address (netmask) and the remote address (IP).  I can ping both of those
locations, but I can't ping the DNS.  I have looked through the logs
(something Ive not done before), and here is what it shows for a connection.

Nov 12 06:46:33  localhost xinetc[1840]:  warning can't get client address:
Transport endpoint is not connected
Nov 12 06:46:55  localhost kernel:  PCI:  Found IRQ4 for device 00:0e.0
Nov 12 06:46:55  localhost kernel:  HCF ASIC ID: 95
 :  HCF DATAPUMP PART:
'73'  REV:  'BA'
Nov 12 06:46:56  localhost kernel:  0751988.978:  HCF:  STARTNEWC ERROR
 :
HCF:  WA_Workaround FAILED
 :
HCF:  DEVMGR ERROR: WA FAILED???
 :
HCF:  DEVMGR ERROR  DpReset returns False, attemp=0
Nov 12 06:47:28  localhost pppd[1899]:  pppd 2.4.1 started by lorin, uid 501
Nov 12 06:47:29  localhost pppd[1899]:  using interface ppp0
  :  Conect:  ppp0
-- /dev/ttySHCF0
etc/hotplug/net.agent:  assuming
ppp0is already up
Nov 12 06:47:37 localhost pppd[1899]:  remote message  ^@
Nov 12 06:47:37 localhost kernel:  PPP BSD compression module registered
 :  PPP Deflate
compression module registered
Nov 12 06:47:38 localhost pppd[1899]:  local IP address 64.216.131.1xx
*(this is different with each connection)*
 :  remote IP
address 64.216.131.183
 :  primary DNS
address 64.216.131.102
 :  secondary DNS
address 64.216.131.100
Nov 12 06:53:03 localhost pppd[1899]: terminating on signal 15
Nov 12 06:53:09 localhost pppd[1899]:  conection terminated
 :  conect time
5.6 minutes
 :  sent 11609
bytes, recieved 1355 bytes
 :  exit
   etc/hotplug/net.agent:  NET
unregister event not supported
Nov 12 06:53:58  localhost kernel:  0752410.759:  HCF:  speed index (0) too
low go to V34, Pump registered 2


I can see the errors, but have no idea what they are, or how to fix them.
Any ideas?
Thanks
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[newbie] CD burner problems

2004-11-13 Thread Keith Powell
Two days ago, my Yamaha CD burner decided it wasn't going to burn! It will 
play data CDs normally, but when I insert a CD and try to burn with it, I get 
a message that there is an input/output error. The tray then opens and I get 
a message to insert a blank CD. Push the tray back in and the same thing 
happens again.

It's the same whether I try to burn a new CD, a new CD-RW or a previously 
recorded CD-RW. It won't erase a CD-RW either.

For some time, before this happened a couple of days ago, it would only record 
a CD-RW at a maximum speed of 2x and a CD at a maximum of 6x. When it was new 
(two and a half years ago), I was getting 10-15x for a CD-RW and 20x for a 
CD. All the blanks are still from the same batches as the original ones.

I have tried to burn with K3b and XCDroast in Mandrake, PCLOS and Libranet, 
also Nero in W98SE. All are the same, please insert a CD. I already have 
done :(   

I don't want to go to the expense of buying a new drive, unless I know that 
the drive is faulty and the fault does not lie elsewhere.

From these symptoms, is it likely that the drive has gone duff, or can 
someone please suggest what else may suddenly be causing the drive to play 
but not record? 

Many thanks

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Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Saturday 13 November 2004 14:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pick up a book and read the copyright notice. I've always felt it was
 ambiguous.

 Wouldn't it also depend on whether you bought the item or a license to use
 the item, a la MS?

Yes, but then they wouldn't be able to use copyright laws to come after you, 
they would have to pursue you for breach of contract.  Copyright is enshrined 
in law and is fairly clear regarding the limitations of the grant that 
Congress or the Legislature has provided the creator versus the rights 
enjoyed by the public.  You can try to place greater limitations than is 
provided by copyright law but you can't use copyright law to enforce those 
limitations.

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Re: [newbie] Bash Prompt

2004-11-13 Thread mike
Elliot S. wrote:
 I am of course new to linux, I'm taking a class in which one thing
 we learned was to change the environmental variable of the prompt using
 the line PS1=  I want my prompt to display my current working
 directory, and the way I did that in the class was add PS1=`pwd` Now
 the class was an older version of the bash shell running out on a
 free-bsd server. I tried to get my prompt on mine at home by adding the
 same line to my .bashrc file in my home directory. It only displays my
 home directory, even when I change into other directories. So can
 someone help with what I'm doing wrong and/or what's different than the
 bash at school, that makes this difficult. I appreciate all the help
 you've given me thus far.
 Thx,
 Elliot
 P.S. I'm running mandrake 10.0 Official.
 

You can test the prompt and see what eventually you like. for example.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] mike]#  PS1= \W 
 mike
 mike  PS1= \w 
 ~
 ~ cd /var/log/mail/
 /var/log/mail



\W = the  basename  of the current working direc­tory
\w = the current working directory

Take a look at this in your browser (if you have howtos installed)

/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/HTML/en/Bash-Prompt/index.html

Or do a google search for BashPrompt howto

Nice howto, I had quite-abit fun with it :-)

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Re: Fwd: [newbie] A short notice to gmail users

2004-11-13 Thread Amy
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:23:28 +, Anne Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 13 Nov 2004 03:37, David E. Fox wrote:
  On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:06:20 +
 
  Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   a sig on the lines of 'I am a gmail user and cannot turn off reply-to.
  
   Please be aware of this.'
 
  It wouldn't be easier just to change clients?
 
 Possibly, but then everyone has their own reasons for their choice.  And long
 live choice!

A good example of why someone would use gmail? I used to use an email
address on my domain for the list here, but my free hosting from a
friend has gotten about as stable as jello as of late, and outside of
the fairly regular downtime, I was also having trouble sending
messages to the list, I think something about a domain mismatch or
something funny like that. So I switched to gmail because it was the
only email address I had that didn't suck (like yahoo and hotmail do).

So yeah, some of us have very good reasons to use gmail.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Jack




Greg Meyer wrote:

  On Friday 12 November 2004 11:10 pm, Jack wrote:
  
  

  
Good point Greg but I dislike "upgrading." I always prefer to do a
clean install. My experience has been (up to now) that there are less
problems this way.
 

  
  I tend to agree, especially when moving from point release to point
release, but moving from 10.1CE to 10.1OE is more like applying security
updates than a wholesale upgrade.

  

Good point... maybe I should try this then. Can anyone tell me the
*exact* urpmi command that will accomplish this?

  
  

Mucho gratias Greg... thanks to your suggestion here, I did an upgrade
installation of official and was successful. I am now running 10.1
official.

Attempting to solve another problem that I reported in this thread
(upgrading to KDE 3.3), I retried Randall's suggestion with Konquest
and still got the C compiler error. I also tried the "urpmi.update -a
-f --wget  urpmi --wget --auto --auto-select
--no-verify-rpm" that one user suggested, to no avail. I'm going to
try and simply install KDE 3.3 over the 3.2 from the 10.1 official DVD
and see what happens. I have the drive imaged and up to date, if that
causes problems...

- Jack




Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Jack




Jack wrote:

  
  
  
Attempting to solve another problem that I reported in this thread
(upgrading to KDE 3.3), I retried Randall's suggestion with Konquest
and still got the C compiler error. I also tried the "urpmi.update -a
-f --wget  urpmi --wget --auto --auto-select
--no-verify-rpm" that one user suggested, to no avail. I'm going to
try and simply install KDE 3.3 over the 3.2 from the 10.1 official DVD
and see what happens. I have the drive imaged and up to date, if that
causes problems...
  
- Jack

Well, it didn't work. I got about a gadzillion conflicts between
existing 3.23 components and 3.3 equivalents.
I am *still* open to suggestions on how to do this damn thing!!!

- Jack




[newbie] TWiki - Plea for help!

2004-11-13 Thread Anne Wilson
Message to Expert list from James Sparenberg:
All,

   The Community TWiki got cracked.  The person running it is busy
trying to find a viable backup to restore what he can.  However this may
not be possible as the backup (current) is of the cracked version.  

   Basically someone found a new exploit and managed to wipe out the
TWiki.  So... given this.  If you have saved a page locally, you are the
author of a page and have a local copy, or in any way you have something
we can use to rebuild as much as we can please let us know.  You can
send what you have to either myself or Anne at our list e-mail addresses
or once we say it's again working go back in and re-author what you had
put in before.  (I knew I should have made copies of some of what I did
*grin*)  

  In the future we are working out a way to have multiple offsite
backups of the TWiki so if we get bit again.. We can recover faster. 

  Remember, This TWiki is not MDK sponsored, instead it's run through
the will of the community itself.  So please don't blame MDK *grin*. 
Also if any of you would be so kind as to copy this post to any other
list it would be helpful.  Never know who has what. 

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Re: [newbie] [ØT] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread frengoGorgia
Seems that THIS thread is TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC



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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 13 November 2004 05:17 pm, Jack wrote:
 Jack wrote:
  Attempting to solve another problem that I reported in this thread
  (upgrading to KDE 3.3), I retried Randall's suggestion with Konquest
  and still got the C compiler error.  I also tried the urpmi.update -a
  -f --wget   urpmi --wget --auto --auto-select --no-verify-rpm that
  one user suggested, to no avail.  I'm going to try and simply install
  KDE 3.3 over the 3.2 from the 10.1 official DVD and see what happens.
  I have the drive imaged and up to date, if that causes problems...
 
  - Jack

 Well, it didn't work.  I got about a gadzillion conflicts between
 existing 3.23 components and 3.3 equivalents.
 I am *still* open to suggestions on how to do this damn thing!!!

If I were going to try this, I would probably boot into a differnet desktop 
environment like GNOME and through the remove software app remove all of KDE, 
then try to add it from the CD sources with urpmi. (remeber about arts and 
all of the libkde files also)

If I may ask, why are you so anxious to upgrade to 3.3? The 3.3 packages 
shipped with Community were pretty buggy (3.3.1 was issued very soon after 
3.3 was released) and kdepim in 10.1 is already at 3.3.  Is there a 
particular feature you are interested in or are you just curious.
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Re: [newbie] [ØT] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread JoeHill
On 13 Nov 2004 23:34:21 +0100
frengoGorgia disseminated the following:

 Seems that THIS thread is TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC

No! Oh my God! Stop the presses! Offtopic thread on Newbie!

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Jack




Greg Meyer wrote:

  On Saturday 13 November 2004 05:17 pm, Jack wrote:
  
  
Jack wrote:


  Attempting to solve another problem that I reported in this thread
(upgrading to KDE 3.3), I retried Randall's suggestion with Konquest
and still got the C compiler error.  I also tried the "urpmi.update -a
-f --wget   urpmi --wget --auto --auto-select --no-verify-rpm" that
one user suggested, to no avail.  I'm going to try and simply install
KDE 3.3 over the 3.2 from the 10.1 official DVD and see what happens.
I have the drive imaged and up to date, if that causes problems...

- Jack
  

Well, it didn't work.  I got about a gadzillion conflicts between
existing 3.23 components and 3.3 equivalents.
I am *still* open to suggestions on how to do this damn thing!!!


  
  If I were going to try this, I would probably boot into a differnet desktop 
environment like GNOME and through the remove software app remove all of KDE, 
then try to add it from the CD sources with urpmi. (remeber about arts and 
all of the libkde files also)
  

I tried this once and it ended up only booting to ICE. (Don't ask me
why!)

  
If I may ask, why are you so anxious to upgrade to 3.3? The 3.3 packages 
shipped with Community were pretty buggy (3.3.1 was issued very soon after 
3.3 was released) and kdepim in 10.1 is already at 3.3.  Is there a 
particular feature you are interested in or are you just curious.
  

It apparently has a way to allow changing the default browser *that
works*! Changing the htm file association in 3.23 does not work...
That's the main reason, but there are other minor ones...

- Jack





Re: [newbie] CD burner problems

2004-11-13 Thread mikkel
 Two days ago, my Yamaha CD burner decided it wasn't going to burn! It will
 play data CDs normally, but when I insert a CD and try to burn with it, I
 get
 a message that there is an input/output error. The tray then opens and I
 get
 a message to insert a blank CD. Push the tray back in and the same thing
 happens again.

 It's the same whether I try to burn a new CD, a new CD-RW or a previously
 recorded CD-RW. It won't erase a CD-RW either.

 For some time, before this happened a couple of days ago, it would only
 record
 a CD-RW at a maximum speed of 2x and a CD at a maximum of 6x. When it was
 new
 (two and a half years ago), I was getting 10-15x for a CD-RW and 20x for a
 CD. All the blanks are still from the same batches as the original ones.

 I have tried to burn with K3b and XCDroast in Mandrake, PCLOS and
 Libranet,
 also Nero in W98SE. All are the same, please insert a CD. I already have
 done :(

 I don't want to go to the expense of buying a new drive, unless I know
 that
 the drive is faulty and the fault does not lie elsewhere.

From these symptoms, is it likely that the drive has gone duff, or can
 someone please suggest what else may suddenly be causing the drive to play
 but not record?

 Many thanks

 Keith



Before giving up on the drive, see if there is a firmware update for it. 
If so, installing it may solve the problem.  Try this even if the update
it the same version as in already installed.  It may be that the firmware
in the drive got corrupted.  It isn't susposed to happen, but it sometimes
does.  Static? Cosmic rays? Strange sortware?  I don't know...

Mikkel



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Re: [newbie] CD burner problems

2004-11-13 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 13 November 2004 02:31 pm, Keith Powell wrote:
 From these symptoms, is it likely that the drive has gone duff, or can
 someone please suggest what else may suddenly be causing the drive to play
 but not record?

There are two lasers in the drive, one for playing and one for recording.  
Sound like the laser that does the recording burned out.
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 13 November 2004 07:31 pm, Jack wrote:
 It apparently has a way to allow changing the default browser *that
 works*!  Changing the htm file association in 3.23 does not work...  
 That's the main reason, but there are other minor ones...

Changing the file association only works to determine what browser launches 
when you click on a link.  The default browser that is called by a program 
when it needs one is set by the environment variable BROWSER.  Type env at a 
prompt to see what it is currently set to.  To set it temporarily to 
something else, you can use the export command

export BROWSER=mozilla-firefox

This will change it to firefox until the next login.  I am still looking for 
the file to change to make it permanent system wide.
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Re: [newbie] TWiki - Plea for help!

2004-11-13 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Sunday 14 November 2004 05:19 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Message to Expert list from James Sparenberg:
 All,

The Community TWiki got cracked.  The person running it is busy
 trying to find a viable backup to restore what he can.  However this may
 not be possible as the backup (current) is of the cracked version.

Oh no? The backup is the cracked version?
This is what I experienced too with my school phpBB2. I made the backup just a 
few hours after the cracking. Now, I make every backup based on dates.

Anyway, I've got my copy of article about setting up gpg in kmail.
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-13 Thread Jack




Greg Meyer wrote:

  On Saturday 13 November 2004 07:31 pm, Jack wrote:
  
  
It apparently has a way to allow changing the default browser *that
works*! Changing the htm file association in 3.23 does not work... 
That's the main reason, but there are other minor ones...

  
  
Changing the file association only works to determine what browser launches 
when you click on a link.  The default browser that is called by a program 
when it needs one is set by the environment variable BROWSER.  Type env at a 
prompt to see what it is currently set to.  To set it temporarily to 
something else, you can use the export command

export BROWSER=mozilla-firefox

This will change it to firefox until the next login.  I am still looking for 
the file to change to make it permanent system wide.
  
  

  

Sorry, didn't work. Still defaults to Konqueror. The only program I
can get to default to firefox is thunderbird (not surprisingly).

- Jack




Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-13 Thread Graham Watkins
Richard Urwin wrote:
Actually ABBA music is technically highly complex. 
Which only goes to prove it ain't real Rock'n'Roll.

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