Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 01:41 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:48, Carroll Grigsby wrote: While I agree that an external serial modem is the best solution for a desktop, I'm not sure that it is a realistic solution for a laptop. I differ. A lot of people carry around a bag for a laptop, especially since most power supplies for laptops require something other than just the laptop. When you figure that an external serial modem is about the same size as a plug-in floppy (which I have for my laptop) and about the same weight, adding an external serial modem to your bag is really not that big a deal. And, that is only if you know that you are going to need to dial in somewhere. Bryan: It's just that back in my road warrior days, I made an effort to minimize the stuff that I had to schlep around, and an external modem and its power wart would have been something that I would have though about very carefully. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Monday 14 February 2005 20:55, Melissa Allen wrote: I have located the download page for the driver for my particular Intel PCI modem and for Mandrake 10 and up. I'll guess that I need the version for the default configured Mandrake 10.0 system, but what is the SMP configured system? Symmetric MultiProcessor. Usually servers although I have had this kernel get installed by default on my Dell Laptop which only has a single processor. Not sure why but I usually replace with a standard kernel and it doesn't really affect anything. You probably want to stick to non-SMP kernels since my guess is that you have a single processor. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. g Just because I might learn something, I'll try installing the driver first. If I can't make it work, I'll go for the external serial modem... Never hurts to learn something. Well mostly, anyway. g The only reason that I suggest external serial is that in a lot of cases, you have to install a lot of developer tools to get a winmodem working and even then, it is simply not as fast or good as an external serial. Some of the drivers are proprietary and the free versions are speed locked to a lower speed to entice you to pay the $45 vendor fee to get the fast ones. Given that the Windows drivers are free, I would refuse to pay this out of principle, much less for a lower speed, software modem. Throw in the cost of the external serial models and you might want to get one despite getting the winmodem to work, which is what I did. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-Original Message- From: Bryan Phinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 15-Feb-05 22:07 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!) On Monday 14 February 2005 20:55, Melissa Allen wrote: I have located the download page for the driver for my particular Intel PCI modem and for Mandrake 10 and up. I'll guess that I need the version for the default configured Mandrake 10.0 system, but what is the SMP configured system? Symmetric MultiProcessor. Usually servers although I have had this kernel get installed by default on my Dell Laptop which only has a single processor. Not sure why but I usually replace with a standard kernel and it doesn't really affect anything. You probably want to stick to non-SMP kernels since my guess is that you have a single processor. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Just a remark for others to comment on. My understanding (very preliminary) is that the Intel Hyper Threading technology (Pentium 4 3.2 GHz for example) uses the SMP kernel. The Hyper Threading Technology (copyright etc?) makes the processor look like two processors. I use one of these at work under a usoft operating system. The lads from Redmond make the processor appear to be two in all the reporting and diagnostic tools. I think Mandrake (Linux?) does the same. (In mcc go to hardware and open the processors tree. The HT processor shows as 2 processors.) Hugh winmail.dat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:57, Hugh Dixon wrote: Just a remark for others to comment on. My understanding (very preliminary) is that the Intel Hyper Threading technology (Pentium 4 3.2 GHz for example) uses the SMP kernel. The Hyper Threading Technology (copyright etc?) makes the processor look like two processors. I use one of these at work under a usoft operating system. The lads from Redmond make the processor appear to be two in all the reporting and diagnostic tools. I think Mandrake (Linux?) does the same. (In mcc go to hardware and open the processors tree. The HT processor shows as 2 processors.) I had considered something like that but for the record, my Dell is a Pentium 4 M, 1.8Ghz, so I think that doesn't include the HT technology. Still, never seemed to do any harm. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-Original Message- From: Bryan Phinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 15-Feb-05 23:44 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!) On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:57, Hugh Dixon wrote: Just a remark for others to comment on. My understanding (very preliminary) is that the Intel Hyper Threading technology (Pentium 4 3.2 GHz for example) uses the SMP kernel. The Hyper Threading Technology (copyright etc?) makes the processor look like two processors. I use one of these at work under a usoft operating system. The lads from Redmond make the processor appear to be two in all the reporting and diagnostic tools. I think Mandrake (Linux?) does the same. (In mcc go to hardware and open the processors tree. The HT processor shows as 2 processors.) I had considered something like that but for the record, my Dell is a Pentium 4 M, 1.8Ghz, so I think that doesn't include the HT technology. Still, never seemed to do any harm. -- Bryan Phinney Laptops were mentioned in hte e-mail, and I don't think they use the HT yet. I think I read somewhere that the SMP Kernel is more responsive for a desktop system. I'd really like someone who knows something to confirm my rumours though.. Hugh winmail.dat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:07 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 14 February 2005 20:55, Melissa Allen wrote: I have located the download page for the driver for my particular Intel PCI modem and for Mandrake 10 and up. snip g Just because I might learn something, I'll try installing the driver first. If I can't make it work, I'll go for the external serial modem... Never hurts to learn something. Well mostly, anyway. g The only reason that I suggest external serial is that in a lot of cases, you have to install a lot of developer tools to get a winmodem working and even then, it is simply not as fast or good as an external serial. Some of the drivers are proprietary and the free versions are speed locked to a lower speed to entice you to pay the $45 vendor fee to get the fast ones. Given that the Windows drivers are free, I would refuse to pay this out of principle, much less for a lower speed, software modem. And you may have to go through the whole drill whenever the kernel developers come up with another new idea. (see nVidia, wireless adapters, yada yada...) Throw in the cost of the external serial models and you might want to get one despite getting the winmodem to work, which is what I did. While I agree that an external serial modem is the best solution for a desktop, I'm not sure that it is a realistic solution for a laptop. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:48, Carroll Grigsby wrote: While I agree that an external serial modem is the best solution for a desktop, I'm not sure that it is a realistic solution for a laptop. I differ. A lot of people carry around a bag for a laptop, especially since most power supplies for laptops require something other than just the laptop. When you figure that an external serial modem is about the same size as a plug-in floppy (which I have for my laptop) and about the same weight, adding an external serial modem to your bag is really not that big a deal. And, that is only if you know that you are going to need to dial in somewhere. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:48, Carroll Grigsby wrote: While I agree that an external serial modem is the best solution for a desktop, I'm not sure that it is a realistic solution for a laptop. I differ. A lot of people carry around a bag for a laptop, especially since most power supplies for laptops require something other than just the laptop. When you figure that an external serial modem is about the same size as a plug-in floppy (which I have for my laptop) and about the same weight, adding an external serial modem to your bag is really not that big a deal. And, that is only if you know that you are going to need to dial in somewhere. I agree with Bryan. However, with laptops there is a better solution, if you can find it. I use a Xircom 56K PCMCIA modem with my Thinkpad. It is a proper (not win-) modem. I am sure that there are other similar products out there. Don't waste your time with winmodems. cheers Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Monday 14 February 2005 07:50, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Well - I went a bought an external hardware modem which says it is linux compatible. I have attempted to install several times over but get this message each time, when I test. The system doesn't seem to be connected to the Internet. All the cables, power etc seem to be in place. There was no prompt to install a driver, and I see there isn't one on the CD. Hmm I wonder if I have to get the driver elsewhere? The config wizard selected automatic IP parameters and DNS parameters. Should I change this? I also changed BIOS PlugNPlay setting PCI IDE busmaster to 'enabled'. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Rosemary External serial modems do not need **any** drivers. That is why they are so much better than internal ones. You do not describe how you are trying to install the modem, but all you need to do is plug it in, and then tell your dialler application which serial port the modem is on. If you have plugged the modem in 'com1', then the linux device name will be /dev/ttyS0 , com2 is /dev/ttyS1 You have a choice of dialler applications to use. You can define a dial up connection in Mandrake Control centre, but many users of the KDE desktop prefer to use 'kppp' which is in the 'kdenetwork' package. And Yes, you should use automatic IP (DHCP) and DNS parameters. HTH derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
External serial modems do not need **any** drivers. That is why they are so much better than internal ones. You do not describe how you are trying to install the modem, but all you need to do is plug it in, and then tell your dialler application which serial port the modem is on. If you have plugged the modem in 'com1', then the linux device name will be /dev/ttyS0 , com2 is /dev/ttyS1 You have a choice of dialler applications to use. You can define a dial up connection in Mandrake Control centre, but many users of the KDE desktop prefer to use 'kppp' which is in the 'kdenetwork' package. And Yes, you should use automatic IP (DHCP) and DNS parameters. HTH derek Thanks - I think it should. Will try the kppp, which, from memory I used a few years ago to configure network. Thanks again Rosemary PS Hope my next message is from with Mandrake! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
Well - I went a bought an external hardware modem which says it is linux compatible. I have attempted to install several times over but get this message each time, when I test. The system doesn't seem to be connected to the Internet. All the cables, power etc seem to be in place. When I installed Mdk 10, I also tested my modem during the installation. I had the same message you had. I ignored it and once the installation completed, I tried to connect (using kppp) and it worked without problem. Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
When I installed Mdk 10, I also tested my modem during the installation. I had the same message you had. I ignored it and once the installation completed, I tried to connect (using kppp) and it worked without problem. Maryse I bought this modem because internal modem too difficult for me to configure, even though various articles said it is possible. So have been trying to ad modem using system configuration, and more latterly kppp. Thought kppp was going to do it, but got the usual your system is not connected message. I suppose there is a way to do this - but very disappointed at present. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 14 Feb 2005 09:41, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: When I installed Mdk 10, I also tested my modem during the installation. I had the same message you had. I ignored it and once the installation completed, I tried to connect (using kppp) and it worked without problem. Maryse I bought this modem because internal modem too difficult for me to configure, even though various articles said it is possible. So have been trying to ad modem using system configuration, and more latterly kppp. Thought kppp was going to do it, but got the usual your system is not connected message. I suppose there is a way to do this - but very disappointed at present. I've never heard of an external modem being problematic, so I'm sure you/we will find the answer. Meanwhile, there is a thread http://dot.kde.org/1108262996/ in which there is the statement 'For those interested, an overview of KPPP including screenshots is available.' I suggest that you visit that thread and ask how to get that overview. It may be helpful to you. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCEIAOkFAvMr/nNX8RAubjAJ463ff2n2jBOuowO2Ww09wbvNwRxwCeLV3g pMJrcz1PdQkmi9hD4Qiwpw4= =oV3C -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
I've never heard of an external modem being problematic, so I'm sure you/we will find the answer. Meanwhile, there is a thread http://dot.kde.org/1108262996/ in which there is the statement 'For those interested, an overview of KPPP including screenshots is available.' I suggest that you visit that thread and ask how to get that overview. It may be helpful to you. Anne Yes - the information I read everywhere in linux is: that external hardware modems work fine. I've printed the info from the link you gave me - so here's hoping. I did find a posting in linuxquestions forums though, which mentioned a person having problems with an external modem in Mdk 10.1, which worked fine in 10. Maybe a bug? Don't know enough to comment really. Rosemary - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Monday 14 February 2005 04:41, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: I bought this modem because internal modem too difficult for me to configure, even though various articles said it is possible. So have been trying to ad modem using system configuration, and more latterly kppp. Thought kppp was going to do it, but got the usual your system is not connected message. I suppose there is a way to do this - but very disappointed at present. Rosemary, a potential solution that I sometimes take is to create a symbolic link in your dev filesystem to point to the com port and then try to connect. This assumes that a lot of dialer programs use /dev/modem as a shortcut to the modem. So, to experiment, open a command line, su to root and issue this command ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem Then try KPPP again and see if it dials in. If it works, then you know that your modem is on Com1. If it fails, then issue a command ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/modem and then try again. If that works, then your modem is on Com2. One of those should work. If they do, you can actually setup an entry to automatically create the link for you in the startup scripts so that you don't have to do it every time. You can also try opening up KPPP, choose Configure button and go to the Device tab. From there, change the modem device from /dev/modem to /dev/ttyS0 and then click on the Modem tab and click the Query Modem button. That should give you some reponse. Rinse and repeat using the /dev/ttyS1 device as the mdoem device. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 14 Feb 2005 10:57, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: I've never heard of an external modem being problematic, so I'm sure you/we will find the answer. Meanwhile, there is a thread http://dot.kde.org/1108262996/ in which there is the statement 'For those interested, an overview of KPPP including screenshots is available.' I suggest that you visit that thread and ask how to get that overview. It may be helpful to you. Anne Yes - the information I read everywhere in linux is: that external hardware modems work fine. I've printed the info from the link you gave me - so here's hoping. I did find a posting in linuxquestions forums though, which mentioned a person having problems with an external modem in Mdk 10.1, which worked fine in 10. Maybe a bug? Don't know enough to comment really. What modem is it? What exactly happens when you try to connect? Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCEIsAkFAvMr/nNX8RAh3dAJ9oqOEi6ZLPJDnSK3nUyfePwbZ6/gCfW9O5 Mq8fEjJB6eBDGNkIWUUWY3A= =R9M+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 14 Feb 2005 10:57, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: I've never heard of an external modem being problematic, so I'm sure you/we will find the answer. Meanwhile, there is a thread http://dot.kde.org/1108262996/ in which there is the statement 'For those interested, an overview of KPPP including screenshots is available.' I suggest that you visit that thread and ask how to get that overview. It may be helpful to you. Anne Yes - the information I read everywhere in linux is: that external hardware modems work fine. I've printed the info from the link you gave me - so here's hoping. I did find a posting in linuxquestions forums though, which mentioned a person having problems with an external modem in Mdk 10.1, which worked fine in 10. Maybe a bug? Don't know enough to comment really. Forgot - never overlook the obvious :-) Does it work in Windows? There is always the odd chance that it's faulty. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCEItDkFAvMr/nNX8RAuPjAJsHAcMS0ceYKARsGvFPSbD/2woQtgCfeQg9 Mkz5dJ8UGdW8cz+WDoKqKt0= =Fquf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
perhaps i missed it in previous threads, but we are talking about an external serial port modem and not an external usb modem? i have read of usb modems that are effectively external winmodems (never actually come across one) bascule On Monday 14 Feb 2005 07:50, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Well - I went a bought an external hardware modem which says it is linux compatible. I have attempted to install several times over but get this message each time, when I test. The system doesn't seem to be connected to the Internet. All the cables, power etc seem to be in place. -- All assassins had a full-length mirror in their rooms, because it would be a terrible insult to anyone to kill them when you were badly dressed. (Pyramids) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] modem problem
Hello to all who have helped. I am actually writing this in linux using web email because can't get kmail/kontact going to send mail! Probably going to be a simple thing I know. Thanks Rosemary This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem
I am actually writing this in linux using web email because can't get kmail/kontact going to send mail! Probably going to be a simple thing I know. I remember having that sort of problem too but cannot remember why. Not much help but it was a simple thing marsye Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
Dear All, I have been having a modem configuration problem (with Mandrake 10.1) similar to the one that Rosemary describes, except that I am still trying to configure the internal modem (56K PCI Data/Fax Modem) on my machine (Dell Dimension 3000-Celeron processor 320). I tried Brian Phinney's experiment with 'ln -s /dev/ttyS(n) /dev/modem' and have tried ports up to ttyS7 (the modem is on COM3 according to Windows, so I expected to be able to connect with ttyS2, but I tried all of these just to be sure). I have also visited the site that Anne Wilson recommends below. When I have tried various ports in KPPP and then used Query Modem, I am only able to receive query results for ttyS0, but the results show all of the fields (ATI - ATI7) empty. Finally, I have tried configuring the modem from the installation software. I received the following error message. An unexpected error has happened: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/bin/perl-install/network/modem.pm line 21. Does this suggest that I should try an external modem? Thanks in advance, Melissa Allen On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:40 AM, Anne Wilson wrote: I've never heard of an external modem being problematic, so I'm sure you/we will find the answer. Meanwhile, there is a thread http://dot.kde.org/1108262996/ in which there is the statement 'For those interested, an overview of KPPP including screenshots is available.' I suggest that you visit that thread and ask how to get that overview. It may be helpful to you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem
M.Schild wrote: I am actually writing this in linux using web email because can't get kmail/kontact going to send mail! Probably going to be a simple thing I know. I remember having that sort of problem too but cannot remember why. Not much help but it was a simple thing marsye Assuming that you have your outgoing smtp server setup correctly, and this server is in hostname form rather than IP address, check that you can ping the server, or in a shell type: telnet the_server_name 25 (Hint: CTRL-] to exit then quit at telnet prompt) this will open a smtp session to your ISP server. If this fails 'unable to find server' etc, it could be a DNS issue, is your /etc/resolv.conf being updated when your modem connects via the dhcp client? If not, find out what the DNS servers are of your ISP and add the entries: nameserver x.x.x.x for each one. Try telnet connect again. Any joy? Also, did you sign up with a diff ISP when you got the modem, if so, you won't be able to connect to the old ISP mailserver as you are now no longer on a trusted network. PS: if you browser is working via hostname lookup on the same machine this is probably not the cause of your problem as the browser needs DNS to resolve web URL's. HTH -- Thanks, David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem
On Monday 14 February 2005 10:41, M.Schild wrote: I am actually writing this in linux using web email because can't get kmail/kontact going to send mail! Probably going to be a simple thing I know. I remember having that sort of problem too but cannot remember why. Not much help but it was a simple thing marsye First I have the same issue with one of my boxes so do not feel bad you are not alone with that issue. Second the box in question has a HD drawer system so HD can be interchanged. Currently I have 4 drawers each with a different version of Linux installed. Next, each version of Linux SuSE 9.2, Red Hat 7.3, Mandrake 10.1, and Fedora 3 has the same issue so the issue is independent of distribution. Historically the Red Hat 7.3 system has just set there and worked but it had a strange configuration using 2 HD - one for system and one for data. I need the data HD elsewhere so I had to reconfigure system which caused modem to quit. Somewhere I have notes on solving issue and will solve when time permits but since box is now being used in a LAN that may not be soon. Point issue is a configuration issue of linux not recognizing modem. If I recall correctly you need to change 2 or 3 lines in 2 or 3 configuration files and issues is solved. Changes are simple and not big deal but that is all the help I can provide at this time. Thanks Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 14 Feb 2005 13:15, bascule wrote: perhaps i missed it in previous threads, but we are talking about an external serial port modem and not an external usb modem? i have read of usb modems that are effectively external winmodems (never actually come across one) Rosemary 's is serial, Bascule. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCENg0kFAvMr/nNX8RAi8YAJ9JpUFMO+dMySCrxbXYUxw52Oj3XACglca6 r0B/8Ux6VbObxbbAW2YMc10= =wFXe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 14 Feb 2005 15:41, M.Schild wrote: I am actually writing this in linux using web email because can't get kmail/kontact going to send mail! Probably going to be a simple thing I know. I remember having that sort of problem too but cannot remember why. Not much help but it was a simple thing marsye Marsye, if you can remember *when* you had the problem it may be possible to turn up something in the archives that would help Rosemary. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCENirkFAvMr/nNX8RApBeAJ9l6Cm16m8Rymo97+jhkjYjqC9zdQCeIq2z kwyRg/NIfvHM41Eex5CnXRQ= =LiZq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem
Marsye, if you can remember *when* you had the problem it may be possible to turn up something in the archives that would help Rosemary. I thought of it but I think it was when I had Mdk 9.1 on my old machine and hadn´t joined the list yet . I sorted it out myself, not really knowing what I was doing ( do I ever) but I seem to remember it was a question of configuration of kppp. Sorry I cannot be of more use Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Monday 14 February 2005 11:02, Melissa Allen wrote: Dear All, I have been having a modem configuration problem (with Mandrake 10.1) similar to the one that Rosemary describes, except that I am still trying to configure the internal modem (56K PCI Data/Fax Modem) on my machine (Dell Dimension 3000-Celeron processor 320). I tried Brian Phinney's experiment with 'ln -s /dev/ttyS(n) /dev/modem' and have tried ports up to ttyS7 (the modem is on COM3 according to Windows, so I expected to be able to connect with ttyS2, but I tried all of these just to be sure). Melissa, my suggestion was strictly applicable to an external serial modem that connects to a hardware port on the computer. It won't work for an internal modem because that is not a real modem. A driver must be loaded to create the com port for an internal card modem. Well, unless it is one of the very old and expensive kinds of internal modems that are real hardware modems. I don't think that they make those kind any more. I have also visited the site that Anne Wilson recommends below. When I have tried various ports in KPPP and then used Query Modem, I am only able to receive query results for ttyS0, but the results show all of the fields (ATI - ATI7) empty. You should try to go to the http://linmodems.org/ site and try to get information about how to install the driver for your particular modem. Given your error, there is no way for me to try to figure out what is wrong. I would need to see the script you are running to see if there is a dependent package that is missing. Or buy an external serial modem for $15 US, which is by far the less troublesome route. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
Hi Rosemary Various people have mad useful suggestions to you regarding your modem setup. The way I normally set up an external serial modem is the following: Use Mandrake Control Centre to add a network connection. Ignore the error about no internet connection. Run kppp and go into the configuration section. Add a dialup account with your login id and the ISP phone number, etc. Go into the device section, and select a device (ttyS0, ttyS1, etc). Go into the modem section, and run query modem. If you get any response, then you have selected the right serial port. Once you have found the right serial port, switch on the modem sound. Go back to the main kppp window and try to connect. If you have set up the modem right, you will hear the sound of the connection being made. Another useful tool for debugging modems is minicom. Use minicom -s to set it up. When you have it running on a particular serial port, type AT and press enter. If it says OK then you are talking to your modem directly. You can also use wvdial to connect to the internet using a dialup modem, but this is more difficult to set up than kppp. good luck Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem
Assuming that you have your outgoing smtp server setup correctly, and this server is in hostname form rather than IP address, check that you can ping the server, or in a shell type: telnet the_server_name 25 (Hint: CTRL-] to exit then quit at telnet prompt) this will open a smtp session to your ISP server. If this fails 'unable to find server' etc, it could be a DNS issue, is your /etc/resolv.conf being updated when your modem connects via the dhcp client? If not, find out what the DNS servers are of your ISP and add the entries: nameserver x.x.x.x for each one. Try telnet connect again. Any joy? Also, did you sign up with a diff ISP when you got the modem, if so, you won't be able to connect to the old ISP mailserver as you are now no longer on a trusted network. PS: if you browser is working via hostname lookup on the same machine this is probably not the cause of your problem as the browser needs DNS to resolve web URL's. HTH Thanks - decided to try evolution and seems to be okay so far. Rosemary Plain text document attachment (message.footer) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem
Marsye, if you can remember *when* you had the problem it may be possible to turn up something in the archives that would help Rosemary. Anne Thanks - but don't worry I am trying evolution for now, and if can learn it might stay with it. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
Various people have mad useful suggestions to you regarding your modem setup. Thanks for that - I did manage to get it going using kppp but am printing your instructions for filing - might be useful in the future. Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Feb 14, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Bryan Phinney wrote: Melissa, my suggestion was strictly applicable to an external serial modem that connects to a hardware port on the computer. It won't work for an internal modem because that is not a real modem. A driver must be loaded to create the com port for an internal card modem. Thank you very much for this information! I had no idea... You should try to go to the http://linmodems.org/ site and try to get information about how to install the driver for your particular modem. Given your error, there is no way for me to try to figure out what is wrong. I would need to see the script you are running to see if there is a dependent package that is missing. I have located the download page for the driver for my particular Intel PCI modem and for Mandrake 10 and up. I'll guess that I need the version for the default configured Mandrake 10.0 system, but what is the SMP configured system? Or buy an external serial modem for $15 US, which is by far the less troublesome route. g Just because I might learn something, I'll try installing the driver first. If I can't make it work, I'll go for the external serial modem... Thanks very much for your help (and my apologies for misspelling your name beforeg), Melissa Allen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:26, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 14 Feb 2005 10:57, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: I've never heard of an external modem being problematic, so I'm sure you/we will find the answer. Meanwhile, there is a thread http://dot.kde.org/1108262996/ in which there is the statement 'For those interested, an overview of KPPP including screenshots is available.' I suggest that you visit that thread and ask how to get that overview. It may be helpful to you. Anne Well - went to this link, and followed instructions, and modem worked immediatley. Despite the fact I had set to ttyS0 it was going to dev/modem (I think). Anyway working now. Thank you very much Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
You can also try opening up KPPP, choose Configure button and go to the Device tab. From there, change the modem device from /dev/modem to /dev/ttyS0 and then click on the Modem tab and click the Query Modem button. That should give you some reponse. Rinse and repeat using the /dev/ttyS1 device as the mdoem device. This was the problem! Device tab changed to /dev/ttySO and here I am in linux. I did configfure this in the drakX thingie, but obviously didn't work. But great to be up and running anyway. Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] modem problem (still!)
Well - I went a bought an external hardware modem which says it is linux compatible. I have attempted to install several times over but get this message each time, when I test. The system doesn't seem to be connected to the Internet. All the cables, power etc seem to be in place. There was no prompt to install a driver, and I see there isn't one on the CD. Hmm I wonder if I have to get the driver elsewhere? The config wizard selected automatic IP parameters and DNS parameters. Should I change this? I also changed BIOS PlugNPlay setting PCI IDE busmaster to 'enabled'. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Much has been written on this thread about, Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem Netgear DM602 router/modem but a preliminary search on some uk suppliers this afternoon suggests the Netgear DM602 router/modem is no longer available here in the uk. The model most often suggested is the, NETGEAR DG834 ADSL Firewall £52.17 £61.30 inc VAT Product Information Four products in one, DG834 multitalented firewall router combines an ADSL modem, router, four-port 10/100 LAN switch, and SPI True Firewall to deliver broadband access that's continuously available for sharing with all your networked devices. Simple to use, it plugs directly into your ADSL line for instant connectivity to network resources and the Internet, and an integrated switch lets you directly connect up to four computers or any combination of four computers, access points or printers. Setup couldn't be easier with NETGEAR's unique Smart Wizard install assistant helps to guide you each step of the way. The Smart Wizard also automatically detects and makes the optimal connection to your ISP while the True Firewall protects your network with business-class security against intruders, including logs and alerts of break-in attempts. VPN pass-through makes it safe to connect to your business network from home or office. The unit's contemporary, sleek design suits your home or office, and it's wall mountable to save valuable desk space. It is upgradeable with new enhancements via the Internet. Anyone got any experience with this model ? Does work well ? Of course this equipement isn't only a router/modem but also a 4 port 10/100 LAN switch. I could just about cope with a 4port put this leaves me with no room for expansion. I already have a DES1008D 8 port D-link . Is it then possible to just cross link the two to provide additional ports ? Or should I look around for an alternative model possibly the same but with an 8port switch. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 18:35, John Richard Smith wrote: Much has been written on this thread about, Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem Netgear DM602 router/modem but a preliminary search on some uk suppliers this afternoon suggests the Netgear DM602 router/modem is no longer available here in the uk. The model most often suggested is the, NETGEAR DG834 ADSL Firewall £52.17 £61.30 inc VAT Product Information SNIP Anyone got any experience with this model ? Does work well ? See http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=1291 Of course this equipement isn't only a router/modem but also a 4 port 10/100 LAN switch. I could just about cope with a 4port put this leaves me with no room for expansion. I already have a DES1008D 8 port D-link . Is it then possible to just cross link the two to provide additional ports ? Or should I look around for an alternative model possibly the same but with an 8port switch. John -- pm Beliefs are what divide people. Doubt unites them. Peter Ustinov Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Saturday 04 Sep 2004 4:35 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Of course this equipement isn't only a router/modem but also a 4 port 10/100 LAN switch. I could just about cope with a 4port put this leaves me with no room for expansion. I already have a DES1008D 8 port D-link . Is it then possible to just cross link the two to provide additional ports ? Yes. Not a problem. These days switches are getting so clever you don't even need a cross-over cable. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
PM wrote: On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 18:35, John Richard Smith wrote: Much has been written on this thread about, Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem Netgear DM602 router/modem but a preliminary search on some uk suppliers this afternoon suggests the Netgear DM602 router/modem is no longer available here in the uk. The model most often suggested is the, NETGEAR DG834 ADSL Firewall £52.17 £61.30 inc VAT Product Information SNIP Anyone got any experience with this model ? Does work well ? See http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=1291 Interesting ! one report in that review said, I have had one problem: every time my ISP renewed my IP address, the router failed to reconnect automaticaly and had to do it manually.It was really annoying since I am running a website behind the router, and this handicap compromised its stability.It turned out to be a firmware bug which was resolved after installing 1.03.07 firmware. Also, A feature I miss is the SNMP support.There is no SNMP support at present for the DG834 nor it is previsted for the forthcoming firmware. What pray is SNMP support ? and is that important? I also note that DHCP can be turned off, if that should ever be important, cannot think when that would be,but maybe there are times when you need to do that. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 Sep 2004 20:31, Margot wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast, gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are plugged into their systems. So, simply letting the MCC wizard detect the card and then using the default selections (they default to DHCP IIRC) should result in a working network configuration. That is pretty much why I suggested the router/modem route. Otherwise, you have to configure the USB device, but then you are also going to have to configure the Network connection with ID/password, etc to get the DSL connection running. And I don't know of any standalone router device so, if you want to share the network connection, you have to set that up on the machine too. Again, to each his own, but I can't imagine any situation where the USB one would be easier than ethernet. We seem to be drifting a bit here... As I said in my original message, I need a solution that doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!) but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical limitations means that installing anything that involves taking the case off the box is beyond my capabilities. As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more expensive than the USB modem. Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense? Thanks Margot Margot, Following all the recomendations that you do not go the USB route, just a suggestion here, if there is no LUG near you, how about a call for a volunteer to install an ethernet card for you, if you like the idea just ask and say which city/town you are in - you never know one of us might live near you. -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Margot wrote: I've managed to track down what looks to be an ethical and reasonably-priced Broadband provider - www.thephone.coop - they assure me that their service will work with Linux (and their tech support didn't scream in horror when I asked!). They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot Replying to my own post to save energy! I've had many useful suggestions, both on- and off-list, too many to continue replying individually, so this is what I'm going to do: I need to develop some hardware expertise. I've signed up with the local Adult Education Centre for 2 short courses designed for hardware 'newbies' - one on PC Upgrade and one on Home Networking. By December, I should at least be 'mentally' competent with a screwdriver, and if I can't manage the physical side, at least I'll have met some local people who may be able to help! My birthday is 2 weeks before Christmas, so by the end of the year I should be able to afford the ethernet card and router - and maybe even a new screwdriver ;-) Can anyone recommend any books or online resources on hardware? VERY basic level please - along the lines of 'how not to ruin a perfectly good computer by sticking a screwdriver in the wrong place'! Many thanks to all who have helped steer me in the right direction - I don't know what I'd do without this list ! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband On Thursday 02 September 2004 02:31 pm, Margot wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast, gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are plugged into their systems. So, simply letting the MCC wizard detect the card and then using the default selections (they default to DHCP IIRC) should result in a working network configuration. That is pretty much why I suggested the router/modem route. Otherwise, you have to configure the USB device, but then you are also going to have to configure the Network connection with ID/password, etc to get the DSL connection running. And I don't know of any standalone router device so, if you want to share the network connection, you have to set that up on the machine too. Again, to each his own, but I can't imagine any situation where the USB one would be easier than ethernet. We seem to be drifting a bit here... As I said in my original message, I need a solution that doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!) but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical limitations means that installing anything that involves taking the case off the box is beyond my capabilities. As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more expensive than the USB modem. Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense? Thanks Margot Margot, I think you need to be listening to Paul and Bryan, et all, who suggest you go the hardware route and avoid USB/ Speedtouch (akin to the aDSL version of a 'winmodem'). There is absolutely no problem associated with removing your case cover and installing a cheap D-link NIC in a pci slot. Takes less than a few minutes, harddrake will find it on the next boot. I can't believe that if you don't wanna do it, you can't find somebody to do it for you. I believe you read the cooker list, an you should also be seein the buggzilla's. If not, then just search them for 'speedtouch' and 'usb'. I think that should be argument enough that Paul and Bryan are givin you the best advice. Which is why I've stayed out of this till now. https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ The only thing I'd add is, (as root) 'urpmi rp-pppoe' and run 'tkpppoe' to answer about a half dozen questions. Provider, userID, password, DNS from server?, stuff like that. Your adsl connection can then be started with 'adsl-start', and terminated with 'adsl-stop'. It's easier to enable aDSL service this way, than under Windoze. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Margot, If your close to Manchester I can drive over and install it for you. Tony. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 04:39 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: . So then I need to network my other computers via this 8-pot 10/100Mbps switch DES-1008D, the so called D-Link, that is not so easy ? from each computer run the D-Link software ez as pi John Aron you got me there , whats with, D-Link software ez as pi ? Easy as 3.1415 John As in A.B.C. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Tony S. Sykes wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband On Thursday 02 September 2004 02:31 pm, Margot wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast, gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are plugged into their systems. So, simply letting the MCC wizard detect the card and then using the default selections (they default to DHCP IIRC) should result in a working network configuration. That is pretty much why I suggested the router/modem route. Otherwise, you have to configure the USB device, but then you are also going to have to configure the Network connection with ID/password, etc to get the DSL connection running. And I don't know of any standalone router device so, if you want to share the network connection, you have to set that up on the machine too. Again, to each his own, but I can't imagine any situation where the USB one would be easier than ethernet. We seem to be drifting a bit here... As I said in my original message, I need a solution that doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!) but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical limitations means that installing anything that involves taking the case off the box is beyond my capabilities. As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more expensive than the USB modem. Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense? Thanks Margot Margot, I think you need to be listening to Paul and Bryan, et all, who suggest you go the hardware route and avoid USB/ Speedtouch (akin to the aDSL version of a 'winmodem'). There is absolutely no problem associated with removing your case cover and installing a cheap D-link NIC in a pci slot. Takes less than a few minutes, harddrake will find it on the next boot. I can't believe that if you don't wanna do it, you can't find somebody to do it for you. I believe you read the cooker list, an you should also be seein the buggzilla's. If not, then just search them for 'speedtouch' and 'usb'. I think that should be argument enough that Paul and Bryan are givin you the best advice. Which is why I've stayed out of this till now. https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ The only thing I'd add is, (as root) 'urpmi rp-pppoe' and run 'tkpppoe' to answer about a half dozen questions. Provider, userID, password, DNS from server?, stuff like that. Your adsl connection can then be started with 'adsl-start', and terminated with 'adsl-stop'. It's easier to enable aDSL service this way, than under Windoze. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Margot, If your close to Manchester I can drive over and install it for you. Tony. Sweet of you to offer, Tony - unfortunately, I'm in Kent! I'm going to try the Adult Education centre courses - with any luck, I'll be able to learn how to install the ethernet card myself, perhaps with a little help by remote control from the kind people on this list ;-) Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Friday 03 September 2004 04:14, Margot wrote: Margot wrote: snip Can anyone recommend any books or online resources on hardware? VERY basic level please - along the lines of 'how not to ruin a perfectly good computer by sticking a screwdriver in the wrong place'! Many thanks to all who have helped steer me in the right direction - I don't know what I'd do without this list ! Margot Just a couple of things. Do not ever!!! work on a box that is not unplugged! Either buy a grounding strap or make one. Like so: strip the insulation from a piece of copper wire enough to go around your wrist. Fasten the bare wire around your wrist in contact with bare skin. Connect a metal clip lead to the other end of the wire connected to your wrist. Connect the clip lead to bare metal of the box before you pick up your new screwdriver! Do not touch the chips or components on the boards. Always observe the above and the chances of doing damage go way down. Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Friday 03 September 2004 05:14 am, Margot wrote: lotsa snipping I need to develop some hardware expertise. I've signed up with the local Adult Education Centre for 2 short courses designed for hardware 'newbies' - one on PC Upgrade and one on Home Networking. Good plan. By December, I should at least be 'mentally' competent with a screwdriver, and if I can't manage the physical side, at least I'll have met some local people who may be able to help! Screwdrivers aren't all that complex. There are two basic kinds: Flat blade and Phillips. (Electrical engineers sometimes refer to them as postive and negative.) Shiny end towards the fastener. Clockwise to tighten, counterclockwise to loosen. Hell, even my son has mastered the skill, and his degree is in history. Also read up on nut drivers -- kinda like screwdrivers but fit hex headed fasteners. Very useful for PC assembly. Can anyone recommend any books or online resources on hardware? VERY basic level please - along the lines of 'how not to ruin a perfectly good computer by sticking a screwdriver in the wrong place'! I recommend PC Hardware in a Nutshell' by Robert Bruce Thompson and Barbara Fritchman Thompson; published by O'Reilly (www.oreilly.com). It's the only user-level hardware reference that focuses more on Linux than Windows. Well written and illustrated, and reasonably up-to-date. Many thanks to all who have helped steer me in the right direction - I don't know what I'd do without this list ! Margot -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Wednesday 01 Sep 2004 23:02, Margot wrote: I've managed to track down what looks to be an ethical and reasonably-priced Broadband provider - www.thephone.coop - they assure me that their service will work with Linux (and their tech support didn't scream in horror when I asked!). They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot Margot, This might be further option to confuse you :-) I know nothing about their ethics or service level but http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/broadbandaccess/ offer various options at 1Mb download speed (if your exchange does not support 1Mb you wil get the 512k service). They have options of 2Gb monthly d/l limit for £17.99, 6Gb for £22.99 and 30Gb for £27.99 they don't mention whether VAT is included. (if your exchange does not support 1Mb you wil get the 512k service) They do offer a free modem connection. -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 02:22, Margot wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: On Wednesday 01 Sep 2004 11:55 pm, flesh.99 wrote: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:40:17 -0400, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot, you really should be asking them for a list of recommendations. ADSL is not totally universal as far as equipment goes, so the kind of modem that you need is going to be determined by the hardware at the DSLAM and phone company, not based on the operating system you run. According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. It appears that the USB is fine as well: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/fc2_speedtouch_usb.html http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ There are some issues, but the howto's should get them through it. There is a lot of support for it out there. It won't be as easy as the NetGear but it's all about choice. The other nice thing about ethernet routers is that you can have a firewall up that allows no evil traffic to even get as far as your machine. Try the reviews on http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ http://www.adslguide.org.uk/reviews/ Thanks, all - I think I'm going to have to go with the USB option for now - I don't have an ethernet card! And the Speedtouch 330 seems to be fairly cheap and widely available... Margot Can't let you go down that route without a comment, Margot. Save some money and get the card modem - you will end up doing that anyway, and have a USB modem to hoard. When you look at all the advice regarding USB, you'll often find comments such as that's what you are supposed to do, but I never got mine to work. -- pm Beliefs are what divide people. Doubt unites them. Peter Ustinov Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 11:46, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? John I bought the first/cheapest and had no problems - turned out to have a RealTek chipset immediately recognised by Mandrake - cost UKP 9.00. -- pm We can learn even from our enemies. Ovid, Metamorphoses Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
PM wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 11:46, John Richard Smith wrote: But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? John I bought the first/cheapest and had no problems - turned out to have a RealTek chipset immediately recognised by Mandrake - cost UKP 9.00. Do you mean to say that the system itself only had to recognise the ethonet card for the router/modem to work, you didn't have to spend hours and hours in badly documented procedural to get the ethonet card configured properly ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 13:29, John Richard Smith wrote: PM wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 11:46, John Richard Smith wrote: But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? John I bought the first/cheapest and had no problems - turned out to have a RealTek chipset immediately recognised by Mandrake - cost UKP 9.00. Do you mean to say that the system itself only had to recognise the ethonet card for the router/modem to work, you didn't have to spend hours and hours in badly documented procedural to get the ethonet card configured properly ? John No problem at all with the card - with a standard installation there'e loads of drivers in the kernel as modules. If you've configured the kernel yourself type lspci -v in a terminal and find what kind of card it is and then modprobe that driver. (as for any PCI card you've got) Configuring the router/modem is a different story - if you want to set up firewall (for example), but then you've got security that a modem (USB or ethernet) won't give you. -- pm ___ It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 01:46 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? MCC will configure your card real nice John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 12:49, PM wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 02:22, Margot wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: On Wednesday 01 Sep 2004 11:55 pm, flesh.99 wrote: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:40:17 -0400, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot, you really should be asking them for a list of recommendations. ADSL is not totally universal as far as equipment goes, so the kind of modem that you need is going to be determined by the hardware at the DSLAM and phone company, not based on the operating system you run. According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. It appears that the USB is fine as well: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/fc2_speedtouch_usb.html http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ There are some issues, but the howto's should get them through it. There is a lot of support for it out there. It won't be as easy as the NetGear but it's all about choice. The other nice thing about ethernet routers is that you can have a firewall up that allows no evil traffic to even get as far as your machine. Try the reviews on http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ http://www.adslguide.org.uk/reviews/ Thanks, all - I think I'm going to have to go with the USB option for now - I don't have an ethernet card! And the Speedtouch 330 seems to be fairly cheap and widely available... Margot Can't let you go down that route without a comment, Margot. Save some money and get the card modem - you will end up doing that anyway, and have a USB modem to hoard. When you look at all the advice regarding USB, you'll often find comments such as that's what you are supposed to do, but I never got mine to work. have to add, look at http://mandrakeusers.org/index.php?showtopic=16970 for advice on setting up a Speedtouch. -- pm Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. Albert Einstein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 06:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Do you mean to say that the system itself only had to recognise the ethonet card for the router/modem to work, you didn't have to spend hours and hours in badly documented procedural to get the ethonet card configured properly ? Ethernet is much more ubiquitous and standardized than is USB. So, if you suspect you will have problems with ethernet, what makes you think that you won't have problems with USB? Personally, I have never installed an ethernet card (standard PCI type) in any computer with Linux and had problems getting it working under Linux. That is not so true for ethernet built into the motherboard, but for a standalone PCI card, I have never had ANY problems right off the stick. USB is quite another story but to each his own. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 01:46 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? MCC will configure your card real nice John When you say configured, that is as a card recognised by the systen and a device to be used by the system, you don't mean as part of the network ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 15:54, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 01:46 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? MCC will configure your card real nice John When you say configured, that is as a card recognised by the systen and a device to be used by the system, you don't mean as part of the network ? John Mcc will do both, for eth0, likely to have a few more problems with a second card (eth1). -- pm Only the educated are free. Epictetus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
PM wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 15:54, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 01:46 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? MCC will configure your card real nice John When you say configured, that is as a card recognised by the systen and a device to be used by the system, you don't mean as part of the network ? John Mcc will do both, for eth0, likely to have a few more problems with a second card (eth1). OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 05:54 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 01:46 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? MCC will configure your card real nice John When you say configured, that is as a card recognised by the systen and a device to be used by the system, you don't mean as part of the network ? Right AFAIK the addreses are trnslated your card has address xxx.xxx.xxx MCC translates that as yyy.yyy.yyy OTH what do I know i'm new at this :-) John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 06:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: PM wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 15:54, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 01:46 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. But that means you must have a fully configured ethernet card to go with your choice of the Netgear DM602 router/modem, doesn't it ? MCC will configure your card real nice John When you say configured, that is as a card recognised by the systen and a device to be used by the system, you don't mean as part of the network ? John Mcc will do both, for eth0, likely to have a few more problems with a second card (eth1). OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. The netgear cd will set up the restall browser based even do a firewall (but shorewall is better) John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast, gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are plugged into their systems. So, simply letting the MCC wizard detect the card and then using the default selections (they default to DHCP IIRC) should result in a working network configuration. That is pretty much why I suggested the router/modem route. Otherwise, you have to configure the USB device, but then you are also going to have to configure the Network connection with ID/password, etc to get the DSL connection running. And I don't know of any standalone router device so, if you want to share the network connection, you have to set that up on the machine too. Again, to each his own, but I can't imagine any situation where the USB one would be easier than ethernet. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast, gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are plugged into their systems. I see , dynamic host control protocol DHCP, is actually built into the router/modem itself and as such knows how to set istelf up dynamically. I didn't understand that, and couldn't see how it was gonna be done by MCC, without considerable imput by me. OK, so now you have this router/modem(by the way what sort of port is that, or is it PCI device?) and a single ethernet card all nicely plugged in and detected by MCC and working. So then I need to network my other computers via this 8-pot 10/100Mbps switch DES-1008D, the so called D-Link, that is not so easy ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Richard Smith Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: OK then I bow to experience. Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a network. I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of a network as well. Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast, gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are plugged into their systems. I see , dynamic host control protocol DHCP, is actually built into the router/modem itself and as such knows how to set istelf up dynamically. I didn't understand that, and couldn't see how it was gonna be done by MCC, without considerable imput by me. OK, so now you have this router/modem(by the way what sort of port is that, or is it PCI device?) and a single ethernet card all nicely plugged in and detected by MCC and working. So then I need to network my other computers via this 8-pot 10/100Mbps switch DES-1008D, the so called D-Link, that is not so easy ? John The router works the same as a hub, so you will be able to uplink it to your switch and extend your network. The router normally has one wan port/modem connection and 4 lan ports. So you will have 4 - 1 for your uplink + 8 - 1 for your uplink so you will now have 10 ports. Tony. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 11:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I see , dynamic host control protocol DHCP, is actually built into the router/modem itself and as such knows how to set istelf up dynamically. I didn't understand that, and couldn't see how it was gonna be done by MCC, without considerable imput by me. OK, so now you have this router/modem(by the way what sort of port is that, or is it PCI device?) and a single ethernet card all nicely plugged in and detected by MCC and working. Ethernet. According to the description, it is a one-port ethernet router/modem which means one connection to the phone for DSL and one ethernet port. So then I need to network my other computers via this 8-pot 10/100Mbps switch DES-1008D, the so called D-Link, that is not so easy ? Since the router/modem is equivalent to any other type of ethernet connection, you would hook it up and configure it exactly the same way you would to any other router, right? Assuming that you are using the Dlink device now, hooking it up to the broadband modem as opposed to a cisco router connected to a T-1 would be about the same. You need to point the switch to use the router/modem as a bridge, the machines all get hooked up to the Dlink device and configured, and away you go. Introducing the DES-1008D is no more difficult than introducing it with any other type of network connection, except that with the USB version, you have fewer options since it won't interface with the USB modem at all. And, to use the Dlink with the USB modem would require putting a machine in between them, hooking the switch up to an ethernet card in the machine and letting the machine act as a bridge. Personally, I would find letting the router/modem act as a bridge and hooking the Dlink directly up to that to be easier. If you are already using such a device with a broadband connection that consists of a usb modem, I wouldn't imagine that you would have any problems at all knowing how to get it working with an ethernet device. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Bryan Phinney wrote: Since the router/modem is equivalent to any other type of ethernet connection, you would hook it up and configure it exactly the same way you would to any other router, right? Assuming that you are using the Dlink device now, hooking it up to the broadband modem as opposed to a cisco router connected to a T-1 would be about the same. You need to point the switch to use the router/modem as a bridge, the machines all get hooked up to the Dlink device and configured, and away you go. I see, so the D-ling is the switch that just about everything gets plugged into. Now that I've taken a second look at the diagramme on the back of the D-Link box it shows that the modem, in your suggested case, the router/modem is plugged into the back of the D-Link. I surmise that anything with an ethernet card or indeed another router-modem just plugs into the D-Link and away you should in theory go. Then onn your OS merely MCC and let it detect the devices . Then because the router modem has dhcp it configures all the dificult IP stuff for you. That would be nice indeed. I don't have this actually working yet , been waiting until affordable decent quality broadband comes into use in UK. Everything takes for ever in UK. They never market for the masses in UK. Not like the Japanese who would not even think of any other market than the mass market from day one. They ought to be marketing a minimum 2MB/sec download/upload for what it costs to buy dialup, but they don't, so the market remains narrow and unfulfilled.But that is UK marketing for you. No competition, everything has to go through dear old BT one way or another, who know how to squeeze the local loop monopoly to the bone. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 01:24 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I see, so the D-ling is the switch that just about everything gets plugged into. Now that I've taken a second look at the diagramme on the back of the D-Link box it shows that the modem, in your suggested case, the router/modem is plugged into the back of the D-Link. I surmise that anything with an ethernet card or indeed another router-modem just plugs into the D-Link and away you should in theory go. The only possible caveat to this is that many of the router/modem combos that are offerred now (including the one I currently use for DSL) perform many of the same functions as a DSL router, or your Dlink switch. Meaning, they do DHCP to attached devices, network address translation, etc. You don't really want to have two routers, both doing Network Address Translation for each other. One needs to be a simple bridge. So, you may need to hook up the router/modem directly to your computer to start, use the web browser or whatever to access the router/modem and configure it as a simple bridge, then hook the Dlink device up. You might keep that in mind, because with NAT, you can't directly access the modem in most cases because it will be sitting on a non-routeable address so you have to be on the same non-routeable netmask and a second router won't send packets to the modem. More details available about that if you are interested. Then onn your OS merely MCC and let it detect the devices . Then because the router modem has dhcp it configures all the dificult IP stuff for you. That would be nice indeed. Yes, with added protection to the devices that sit behind the hardware device, of course. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 22:19, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 10:24 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I don't have this actually working yet , been waiting until affordable decent quality broadband comes into use in UK. Everything takes for ever in UK. They never market for the masses in UK. Not like the Japanese who would not even think of any other market than the mass market from day one. They ought to be marketing a minimum 2MB/sec download/upload for what it costs to buy dialup, but they don't, so the market remains narrow and unfulfilled.But that is UK marketing for you. No competition, everything has to go through dear old BT one way or another, who know how to squeeze the local loop monopoly to the bone. worse here (California) $49.95/mo (1.5Mb down 256k up) John Cyprus Pounds 35.00/month (1 Mb /256 K) (approx USD 73). But Where I lived in the UK still has no broadband access. -- pm Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 22:31, Margot wrote: Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense? Thanks Margot Margot, I can just about guarantee you WILL end up buying an ethernet card - even if you get a USB modem first, there is no comparison between the two. Save your money, forget the Speedtouch would be my advice every time (I've been down that route). -- Paul M _ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
SNIP As I said in my original message, I need a solution that doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!) but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical limitations means that installing anything that involves taking the case off the box is beyond my capabilities. As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more expensive than the USB modem. Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense? Thanks Margot Margot I can confirm the Alcatel Speedtouch does work with Mandrake. I do not have one myself, but I have set one up for a friend. It IS more complicated to get a USB Speedtouch working than a DSL router, but it is certainly possible to get it to work. You will need the speedtouch_mgmt package installed which contains the Alcatel binary driver. It is not on the download edition, but is available on the Powerpack CDs, or from MandrakeClub. Contact me if you have trouble finding it. I could not get my friends working with the 2.6 kernel, but the 2.4 kernel worked fine. Mandrake 10.0 has a wizard to set up the speedtouch. Information you will need is :- VPI/VCI number - In the UK this is VPI=0 VCI=38 Framing VC/MUX Protocol PPPoA Username - supplied by your ISP Password - supplied by ISP I do not know how Linux friendly your ISP is, but I have just put DSL in for my sister using Pipex, and they are not Linux hostile like some other ISPs. (Good prices too) derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 00:05, Derek Jennings wrote: Margot I can confirm the Alcatel Speedtouch does work with Mandrake. I do not have one myself, but I have set one up for a friend. It IS more complicated to get a USB Speedtouch working than a DSL router, but it is certainly possible to get it to work. You will need the speedtouch_mgmt package installed which contains the Alcatel binary driver. It is not on the download edition, but is available on the Powerpack CDs, or from MandrakeClub. Contact me if you have trouble finding it. I could not get my friends working with the 2.6 kernel, but the 2.4 kernel worked fine. Mandrake 10.0 has a wizard to set up the speedtouch. Information you will need is :- VPI/VCI number - In the UK this is VPI=0 VCI=38 Framing VC/MUX Protocol PPPoA Username - supplied by your ISP Password - supplied by ISP I do not know how Linux friendly your ISP is, but I have just put DSL in for my sister using Pipex, and they are not Linux hostile like some other ISPs. (Good prices too) derek Just one point - depending upon provider, protocol might be PPPoE. -- __ Paul 5B8BA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 Sep 2004 9:33 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: ... Paul and Bryan are givin you the best advice. Which is why I've stayed out of this till now. https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ I try not to do this, but me too. Get an ethernet ADSL router that is firewall configured out of the box, (unless you understand iptables/ipchains.) Apart from putting the ethernet card in the box there is nothing to it, and that is a five minute job, including the hunt for the screwdriver. (Do you have a LUG where you live, I'm sure one of them would be happy to do it for you.) Setting up ethernet is simple, lots of good advice to be had here on the list. OTOH, USB is a can of worms. Setting up ADSL does need some reading to get all the settings right, but with ethernet you have easy + the slightly tricky ADSL stuff. With USB you have tricky/difficult + the slightly tricky ADSL stuff. The only thing I'd add is, (as root) 'urpmi rp-pppoe' and run 'tkpppoe' to answer about a half dozen questions. Provider, userID, password, DNS from server?, stuff like that. Your adsl connection can then be started with 'adsl-start', and terminated with 'adsl-stop'. It's easier to enable aDSL service this way, than under Windoze. That's using a modem, right Tom? I don't need any of that adsl-start stuff. The user-id etc. stuff would be handy though. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 Sep 2004 3:07 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 05:54 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: MCC will configure your card real nice When you say configured, that is as a card recognised by the systen and a device to be used by the system, you don't mean as part of the network ? Right AFAIK the addreses are trnslated your card has address xxx.xxx.xxx MCC translates that as yyy.yyy.yyy OTH what do I know i'm new at this :-) There are two networks: Your local LAN The ISPs network The router's job is to sit on both networks and to pass traffic betwen them as required. The LAN will probably have the address 192.168.1.0, and machines on that LAN will replace that zero with some number 1-254. So in all likelyhood your router will be 192.168.1.1, and your computer will be 192.168.1.2 The ISPs network will give your router an address, let's say 10.1.1.45 When your computer wants to send a packet to a machine that is not on the 192.168.1.0 network it sends it to the address that it has been told is the default gateway. That would be 192.168.1.1 in this case. You could (I do) set all these numbers up by editing /etc/hosts and using route to add the router as the default gateway. But there is an easier way. Just configure the router to get it's external address by DHCP, and act as a DHCP server to the LAN. IIUC, that's the usual factory settings. Then configure your computer to be a DHCP client. IIUC, that's easy using MCC. Now all those numbers are handled for you and you can ignore them. The system just works. Why do I do things differently? 1. I have a static IP address, so the external address is not going to change. 2. I have a network printer, and sometimes other computers on the LAN. It's useful to know their addresses are not going to change. It is possible to set that up with DHCP, but it's just as easy to not bother with it and do it by hand. --- Aron, On an ethernet network every ethernet card has an address that looks like 34:54:65:76:98:ba. That's the ethernet address. You should ignore it unless you are setting up static addresses in the DHCP server, (see 2 above.) It has absolutely no effect on the TCP/IP networking, (that you need to know about.) MCC in no way translates it. I can go into more detail if you want, but this probably isn't the right thread. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 Sep 2004 10:10 pm, PM wrote: On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 00:05, Derek Jennings wrote: Margot I can confirm the Alcatel Speedtouch does work with Mandrake. I do not have one myself, but I have set one up for a friend. It IS more complicated to get a USB Speedtouch working than a DSL router, but it is certainly possible to get it to work. You will need the speedtouch_mgmt package installed which contains the Alcatel binary driver. It is not on the download edition, but is available on the Powerpack CDs, or from MandrakeClub. Contact me if you have trouble finding it. I could not get my friends working with the 2.6 kernel, but the 2.4 kernel worked fine. Mandrake 10.0 has a wizard to set up the speedtouch. Information you will need is :- VPI/VCI number - In the UK this is VPI=0 VCI=38 Framing VC/MUX Protocol PPPoA Username - supplied by your ISP Password - supplied by ISP I do not know how Linux friendly your ISP is, but I have just put DSL in for my sister using Pipex, and they are not Linux hostile like some other ISPs. (Good prices too) derek Just one point - depending upon provider, protocol might be PPPoE. IIRC, here in the UK, ADSL is PPoA and cable is PPoE. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 22:10, PM wrote: On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 00:05, Derek Jennings wrote: Margot I can confirm the Alcatel Speedtouch does work with Mandrake. I do not have one myself, but I have set one up for a friend. It IS more complicated to get a USB Speedtouch working than a DSL router, but it is certainly possible to get it to work. You will need the speedtouch_mgmt package installed which contains the Alcatel binary driver. It is not on the download edition, but is available on the Powerpack CDs, or from MandrakeClub. Contact me if you have trouble finding it. I could not get my friends working with the 2.6 kernel, but the 2.4 kernel worked fine. Mandrake 10.0 has a wizard to set up the speedtouch. Information you will need is :- VPI/VCI number - In the UK this is VPI=0 VCI=38 Framing VC/MUX Protocol PPPoA Username - supplied by your ISP Password - supplied by ISP I do not know how Linux friendly your ISP is, but I have just put DSL in for my sister using Pipex, and they are not Linux hostile like some other ISPs. (Good prices too) derek Just one point - depending upon provider, protocol might be PPPoE. Not in the UK it won't. BT only use PPPoA and BT supply the exchange equipment for all the other ISPs http://www.adslguide.org.uk/qanda.asp?faq=technical#Q213 derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 03:31 pm, Margot wrote: We seem to be drifting a bit here... As I said in my original message, I need a solution that doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!) but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical limitations means that installing anything that involves taking the case off the box is beyond my capabilities. I didn't catch that part. I don't live in the UK, Margot but if someone in my area of the US mentioned that type of limitation (meaning something as easy as just popping open a box and installing an ethernet card) to me and they were a fellow Linux traveler, I would try to arrange to stop by to install the card myself and get the networking setup. It would take about 20 minutes total, I figure and I would consider it well worth the trouble for a comrade in arms, so to speak. If there is a LUG in your area, you might consider mentioning your interest in an ethernet solution compared to USB and I would be willing to bet that a solution would present itself. As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more expensive than the USB modem. Have you had an opportunity to check sources for used equipment? I would really go that route because with modems and the like, there are no moving parts so they tend to last forever short of lightning strikes. Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense? Well, all things being equal, I would suggest the ethernet route. If you really can't afford that, then I would probably go the USB route and try to figure out how to upgrade later. I would expect more issues with USB but it looks like others have managed to get it working so you should be able to do the same. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Wednesday 01 Sep 2004 23:02, Margot wrote: I've managed to track down what looks to be an ethical and reasonably-priced Broadband provider - www.thephone.coop - they assure me that their service will work with Linux (and their tech support didn't scream in horror when I asked!). They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot Netgear DM602 :) It is what I have here. It is an ADSL Modem and Router, easy to setup and above all, its a router, so you don't have to worry about hackers!!! :) I can reccomend this 100 percent! Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Margot wrote: Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm currently with Wanadoo for my dialup and I'm keen to leave them as soon as possible because I'm in the middle of a major row with them - they recently introduced spam filtering, and it is complete chaos - legitimate mail is not only being marked incorrectly as 'spam' but actually being *blocked* so I don't receive it at all (!) but the spam is still getting through in larger quantities than ever before! Personally, I wouldn't recommend Wanadoo to my worst enemy - their service has deteriorated considerably since they dropped the 'Freeserve' branding, and when I mention to them that I use Linux their only response is we only support Windows :-( Margot To a greater or lesser extent I agree with margo about wanadoo. I don't find their spam filtering a problem though. I set up a filter in moz to dump all wanadoo spam assigned messages and flick my eye over them all to make sure they haven't done a dirty on a valued correspondent and then zap the lot in one go. I like that, since not all spam is necessarily not wanted, you know, the latest offer from smarkequipement.co.uk of that always want to get one piece of equipement, but would not pay the price, but here it is on offer. The serives wanadoo offers is lousy. I'm near certain as can be it is the source of my recent no carrier kppp problem, I believe they send a message back somehow that sends my modem into that mode when traffic gets heavy for them, just to stop my download. As a site they are very heavy usered. Talking to them is like talking to a brick wall. Still that is mine and Margo's opinion, I dare say other fee differently. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Aron Smith wrote: . So then I need to network my other computers via this 8-pot 10/100Mbps switch DES-1008D, the so called D-Link, that is not so easy ? from each computer run the D-Link software ez as pi John Aron you got me there , whats with, D-Link software ez as pi ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Margot wrote: We seem to be drifting a bit here... As I said in my original message, I need a solution that doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!) but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical limitations means that installing anything that involves taking the case off the box is beyond my capabilities. As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more expensive than the USB modem. Oh, honestly Margo , it's dead simple to install, piece of cake ! They cost about £5 each, Not crippling. Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense? Thanks Margot John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 02:19 pm, Richard Urwin wrote: On Thursday 02 Sep 2004 3:07 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 02 September 2004 05:54 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: MCC will configure your card real nice When you say configured, that is as a card recognised by the systen and a device to be used by the system, you don't mean as part of the network ? Right AFAIK the addreses are trnslated your card has address xxx.xxx.xxx MCC translates that as yyy.yyy.yyy OTH what do I know i'm new at this :-) There are two networks: Your local LAN The ISPs network The router's job is to sit on both networks and to pass traffic betwen them as required. The LAN will probably have the address 192.168.1.0, and machines on that LAN will replace that zero with some number 1-254. So in all likelyhood your router will be 192.168.1.1, and your computer will be 192.168.1.2 The ISPs network will give your router an address, let's say 10.1.1.45 When your computer wants to send a packet to a machine that is not on the 192.168.1.0 network it sends it to the address that it has been told is the default gateway. That would be 192.168.1.1 in this case. You could (I do) set all these numbers up by editing /etc/hosts and using route to add the router as the default gateway. But there is an easier way. Just configure the router to get it's external address by DHCP, and act as a DHCP server to the LAN. IIUC, that's the usual factory settings. Then configure your computer to be a DHCP client. IIUC, that's easy using MCC. Now all those numbers are handled for you and you can ignore them. The system just works. Why do I do things differently? 1. I have a static IP address, so the external address is not going to change. 2. I have a network printer, and sometimes other computers on the LAN. It's useful to know their addresses are not going to change. It is possible to set that up with DHCP, but it's just as easy to not bother with it and do it by hand. --- Aron, On an ethernet network every ethernet card has an address that looks like 34:54:65:76:98:ba. That's the ethernet address. You should ignore it unless you are setting up static addresses in the DHCP server, (see 2 above.) It has absolutely no effect on the TCP/IP networking, (that you need to know about.) MCC in no way translates it. I can go into more detail if you want, but this probably isn't the right thread. intresting i went out and bought Sam's Teach yourself Networking in 24 hours (they had it at 40% off at Barnes Noble) so maybe next time I'll know what I'm talking about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 04:39 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: . So then I need to network my other computers via this 8-pot 10/100Mbps switch DES-1008D, the so called D-Link, that is not so easy ? from each computer run the D-Link software ez as pi John Aron you got me there , whats with, D-Link software ez as pi ? Easy as 3.1415 John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
I've managed to track down what looks to be an ethical and reasonably-priced Broadband provider - www.thephone.coop - they assure me that their service will work with Linux (and their tech support didn't scream in horror when I asked!). They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot, you really should be asking them for a list of recommendations. ADSL is not totally universal as far as equipment goes, so the kind of modem that you need is going to be determined by the hardware at the DSLAM and phone company, not based on the operating system you run. According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:40:17 -0400, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot, you really should be asking them for a list of recommendations. ADSL is not totally universal as far as equipment goes, so the kind of modem that you need is going to be determined by the hardware at the DSLAM and phone company, not based on the operating system you run. According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com It appears that the USB is fine as well: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/fc2_speedtouch_usb.html http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ There are some issues, but the howto's should get them through it. There is a lot of support for it out there. It won't be as easy as the NetGear but it's all about choice. -- This is me with the words on the tip of my tongue and my eye through the scope down the barrel of a gun, remind me not to ever act this way again - Taking Back Sunday -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBBqeVfHXjcMfoResRAkEAAKCJYsCJa72nJMEk8tS5IC75SOyIbgCfaH5N gXAle9QDujbcMcHVOEiS6UY= =oaCY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Wednesday 01 Sep 2004 11:55 pm, flesh.99 wrote: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:40:17 -0400, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot, you really should be asking them for a list of recommendations. ADSL is not totally universal as far as equipment goes, so the kind of modem that you need is going to be determined by the hardware at the DSLAM and phone company, not based on the operating system you run. According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. It appears that the USB is fine as well: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/fc2_speedtouch_usb.html http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ There are some issues, but the howto's should get them through it. There is a lot of support for it out there. It won't be as easy as the NetGear but it's all about choice. The other nice thing about ethernet routers is that you can have a firewall up that allows no evil traffic to even get as far as your machine. Try the reviews on http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ http://www.adslguide.org.uk/reviews/ -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
Richard Urwin wrote: On Wednesday 01 Sep 2004 11:55 pm, flesh.99 wrote: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:40:17 -0400, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot, you really should be asking them for a list of recommendations. ADSL is not totally universal as far as equipment goes, so the kind of modem that you need is going to be determined by the hardware at the DSLAM and phone company, not based on the operating system you run. According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. It appears that the USB is fine as well: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/fc2_speedtouch_usb.html http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ There are some issues, but the howto's should get them through it. There is a lot of support for it out there. It won't be as easy as the NetGear but it's all about choice. The other nice thing about ethernet routers is that you can have a firewall up that allows no evil traffic to even get as far as your machine. Try the reviews on http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ http://www.adslguide.org.uk/reviews/ Thanks, all - I think I'm going to have to go with the USB option for now - I don't have an ethernet card! And the Speedtouch 330 seems to be fairly cheap and widely available... Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 04:22 pm, Margot wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: On Wednesday 01 Sep 2004 11:55 pm, flesh.99 wrote: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:40:17 -0400, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:02 pm, Margot wrote: They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid? Margot, you really should be asking them for a list of recommendations. ADSL is not totally universal as far as equipment goes, so the kind of modem that you need is going to be determined by the hardware at the DSLAM and phone company, not based on the operating system you run. According to their web page, they support the Speedtouch 330 USB DSL modem as well as the Netgear DM602 router/modem. Personally, I would go for the Netgear if I were you, it will hook up to your ethernet card and should be as close to plug and play as you get. The USB option is more likely to result in possible compatibility problems. It appears that the USB is fine as well: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/fc2_speedtouch_usb.html http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ There are some issues, but the howto's should get them through it. There is a lot of support for it out there. It won't be as easy as the NetGear but it's all about choice. The other nice thing about ethernet routers is that you can have a firewall up that allows no evil traffic to even get as far as your machine. Try the reviews on http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ http://www.adslguide.org.uk/reviews/ Thanks, all - I think I'm going to have to go with the USB option for now - I don't have an ethernet card! And the Speedtouch 330 seems to be fairly cheap and widely available... have to be very cheap ethernet cards are only around $15.00 for a good one Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Thursday 05 August 2004 22:33, Julie Sloan wrote: Hi - my first post to this forum. I've been trying to inhale all the information out there and so far have made it through just a few of the info man pages. I'm on mandrake 10.0 official, got both KDE and Gnome running (but trying to make this work from the KDE GUI) dual booting with WinXP The modem's a conexant hsf and I've d/l'd the apropriate driver from the linuxant site into the window$ partition in my /etc/fstab there's already this line: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-1,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 and I can peek into the windoze partition from KDE in terminal I copied the driver into a disposable directory, cd'd into the directory with it and did: rpm -iv hsfverylongfilename.rpm now in GUI... in MCC - hardware - hardware ...the modem is *still* listed as unknown device. in MCC - network - make new connection ...I tell it modem, com3 (yes, 3), automatic on the IP, DNS, etc now get this: I got a handshake, then an error message (The system doesn't seem to be connected to the internet. Try to reconfigure your connection). so I took the @mindspring.com off my login (what the hey, it's helped in netscape) and now I don't even get a handshake. And the same error message. Put the login back as it was and *still* get no handshake. Fooled around with the authentication because I have no idea if I need PAP/CHAP (the default) or script based or what, and when I have it set to CHAP I once again get a handshake ...and the error message. Can anyone see where I'm screwing up? thanks Julie You have what is called a winmodem. It is very difficult to get a winmodem to work in linux(for me impossible). The best bet is to get a true modem and it will work in both windows and everything else. The difference is that a winmodem does not have its own controller and must be managed by your CPU which takes considerable time while a true moden has its own controller and relives the CPU to do other things. I doubt that you are screwing up at all windows has already done that for you. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux user #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
Julie Sloan wrote: Hi - my first post to this forum. I've been trying to inhale all the information out there and so far have made it through just a few of the info man pages. I'm on mandrake 10.0 official, got both KDE and Gnome running (but trying to make this work from the KDE GUI) dual booting with WinXP The modem's a conexant hsf and I've d/l'd the apropriate driver from the linuxant site into the window$ partition in my /etc/fstab there's already this line: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-1,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 and I can peek into the windoze partition from KDE in terminal I copied the driver into a disposable directory, cd'd into the directory with it and did: rpm -iv hsfverylongfilename.rpm now in GUI... in MCC - hardware - hardware ...the modem is *still* listed as unknown device. in MCC - network - make new connection ...I tell it modem, com3 (yes, 3), automatic on the IP, DNS, etc now get this: I got a handshake, then an error message (The system doesn't seem to be connected to the internet. Try to reconfigure your connection). so I took the @mindspring.com off my login (what the hey, it's helped in netscape) and now I don't even get a handshake. And the same error message. Put the login back as it was and *still* get no handshake. Fooled around with the authentication because I have no idea if I need PAP/CHAP (the default) or script based or what, and when I have it set to CHAP I once again get a handshake ...and the error message. Can anyone see where I'm screwing up? thanks Julie Julie You have a winmodem. It is sometimes *possible* to get these working under Linux, but it takes a great deal of hard work (as you've already discovered)! In the UK, high street electrical stores sell external modems for around £30 (probably even cheaper in the US - most things seem to be!) which will work fine under both Windows Linux (the packaging might not even mention Linux, and the salespeople will probably never have heard of it!) - just take it out of the box, plug in both ends, reboot both OSs should detect it automatically. Or, you could spend many hours, possibly even days, trying to get a winmodem to work. Time = money - but only you can work out whether it is worth spending several hours/days to save £30! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 Aug 2004 04:33, Julie Sloan wrote: The modem's a conexant hsf and I've d/l'd the apropriate driver from the linuxant site into the window$ partition Hi Julie, I have a Conexant modem running on Mdk10. It is an hcf modem and I also downloaded the driver from the Linuxant site. I installed the rpm then as root ran hcfpciconfig which led me through the configuration. (Mandrake Control Centre still doesn't recognise my modem.) I don't know whether this applies to hsf modems, but it may do. Simon. - -- Registered Linux user number 359744. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBE1FsYreSoOlOIpIRAqrWAKCSPvEiwqPXmgaojy0qqC9w/NIlHACg0lJs iWEb8hWx4wfQzJp5B7y/dVI= =OwhD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Friday 06 Aug 2004 04:33, Julie Sloan wrote: now in GUI... in MCC - hardware - hardware ...the modem is *still* listed as unknown device. in MCC - network - make new connection ...I tell it modem, com3 (yes, 3), automatic on the IP, DNS, etc Julie, as the Mandrake Control Centre didn't recognise my hcf modem, it would not configure my internet connection properly. I used Kppp dialer instead and manually configured (most settings are default). HTH. Simon. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Friday 06 August 2004 05:54 am, simon wrote: Julie, as the Mandrake Control Centre didn't recognise my hcf modem, it would not configure my internet connection properly. I used Kppp dialer instead and manually configured (most settings are default). Thought that I would mention this really quickly. http://pricewatch.com and search for external 56k modem and you will find a list of places that are currently selling a cendyne external serial modem for around $17 US. Granted, that is not a top of the line modem, but it uses an equivalent chipset to a Zoom external serial modem version that costs about $60. If you currently have a winmodem (crapmodem) and have always wanted to have a real honest to goodness external serial modem but are financially challenged, you might want to consider it. I know it is kind of OT but the last time I was in a computer store, they didn't even carry external serial modems, just the USB ones, and even those were priced fairly high. $17 is just a tad higher than you would normally pay for a cheapo winmodem so I thought some others on the list (at least in the US) might be interested. I didn't price intl shipping so I don't know if it would be suitable outside North America. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Friday 06 August 2004 05:54 am, simon wrote: Julie, as the Mandrake Control Centre didn't recognise my hcf modem, it would not configure my internet connection properly. I used Kppp dialer instead and manually configured (most settings are default). http://pricewatch.com and search for external 56k modem and you will find a list of places that are currently selling a cendyne external serial modem for around $17 US. Granted, that is not a top of the line modem, but it uses an equivalent chipset to a Zoom external serial modem version that costs about $60. If you currently have a winmodem (crapmodem) and have always wanted to have a real honest to goodness external serial modem but are financially challenged, you might want to consider it. I know it is kind of OT but the last time I was in a computer store, they didn't even carry external serial modems, just the USB ones,snip I gather serial vs USB is the keyword here? (sorry - I'm *completely* ignorant. People probably wonder why I'm not on AOL :)) Thanks for the information ...it so happens today we're leaving the Small Town Where We Don't Lock the Doors and going to The Big City Where There's A Computer Store and I *will* take the time to look over the external modems. J -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
Bryan Phinney wrote: http://pricewatch.com and search for external 56k modem and you will find a list of places that are currently selling a cendyne external serial modem for around $17 US. Granted, that is not a top of the line modem, but it uses an equivalent chipset to a Zoom external serial modem version that costs about $60. If you currently have a winmodem (crapmodem) and have always wanted to have a real honest to goodness external serial modem but are financially challenged, you might want to consider it. Eeee - what about those of us that are financially challenged AND are operating on only a checkbook (not a charge card)? I'm *still* waiting for a linux book I ordered from Amazon - which should arrive on July 19th. Wonder did they mean 2005? (sorry - veered way OT) J -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 09:34, Julie Sloan wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: http://pricewatch.com and search for external 56k modem and you will find a list of places that are currently selling a cendyne external serial modem for around $17 US. Granted, that is not a top of the line modem, but it uses an equivalent chipset to a Zoom external serial modem version that costs about $60. If you currently have a winmodem (crapmodem) and have always wanted to have a real honest to goodness external serial modem but are financially challenged, you might want to consider it. Eeee - what about those of us that are financially challenged AND are operating on only a checkbook (not a charge card)? I'm *still* waiting for a linux book I ordered from Amazon - which should arrive on July 19th. Wonder did they mean 2005? (sorry - veered way OT) J Believe methis is *not* OT yet. ;) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
simon wrote: On Friday 06 Aug 2004 04:33, Julie Sloan wrote: The modem's a conexant hsf and I've d/l'd the apropriate driver from the linuxant site into the window$ partition Hi Julie, I have a Conexant modem running on Mdk10. It is an hcf modem and I also downloaded the driver from the Linuxant site. I installed the rpm then as root ran hcfpciconfig which led me through the configuration. (Mandrake Control Centre still doesn't recognise my modem.) I don't know whether this applies to hsf modems, but it may do. Simon. Thanks Simon, I will try that next. J -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
simon wrote: On Friday 06 Aug 2004 04:33, Julie Sloan wrote: now in GUI... in MCC - hardware - hardware ...the modem is *still* listed as unknown device. in MCC - network - make new connection ...I tell it modem, com3 (yes, 3), automatic on the IP, DNS, etc Julie, as the Mandrake Control Centre didn't recognise my hcf modem, it would not configure my internet connection properly. I used Kppp dialer instead and manually configured (most settings are default). HTH. Simon. ok, cringe where do I find the KPPP? J -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Friday 06 August 2004 08:44, Julie Sloan wrote: simon wrote: On Friday 06 Aug 2004 04:33, Julie Sloan wrote: now in GUI... in MCC - hardware - hardware ...the modem is *still* listed as unknown device. in MCC - network - make new connection ...I tell it modem, com3 (yes, 3), automatic on the IP, DNS, etc Julie, as the Mandrake Control Centre didn't recognise my hcf modem, it would not configure my internet connection properly. I used Kppp dialer instead and manually configured (most settings are default). HTH. Simon. ok, cringe where do I find the KPPP? J Issue the following commands as root: slocate -u (wait for completion) As root or user: locate kppp If it doesnt show up, then as root: urpmi kppp -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux user #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Friday 06 August 2004 09:28 am, Julie Sloan wrote: I gather serial vs USB is the keyword here? (sorry - I'm *completely* ignorant. People probably wonder why I'm not on AOL :)) Serial as in, connects to the computer serial port which is the more traditional port for analog modem communications. USB is newer and not as likely to be as well supported under Linux. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Friday 06 August 2004 15:44, Julie Sloan wrote: simon wrote: On Friday 06 Aug 2004 04:33, Julie Sloan wrote: now in GUI... in MCC - hardware - hardware ...the modem is *still* listed as unknown device. in MCC - network - make new connection ...I tell it modem, com3 (yes, 3), automatic on the IP, DNS, etc Julie, as the Mandrake Control Centre didn't recognise my hcf modem, it would not configure my internet connection properly. I used Kppp dialer instead and manually configured (most settings are default). HTH. Simon. ok, cringe where do I find the KPPP? J K - internet - remote access - KPPP . If it's not installed you must install the kdenetwork-kppp rpm. You can install it as root with 'urpmi kdenetwork-kppp' or use the software install GUI. HTH, -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
