Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thursday 16 September 2004 12:02 am, Dennis Myers wrote: Hey,hey,hey, I have one of those PB's sitting in the corner and it is not mickey mouse. It's .bita bang.. Tinkerbell hardware. The case is tough though.: ) Bet my Atari Falcons (circa 1992) rack mount case is tougher! (18 lbs *before* anything is added inside). :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:11:37 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is a Barbie-doll PC more childish than a Windows PC ? Not if it runs linux. :) -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 15 September 2004 00:45, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 18:40, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:26:47 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. It might still. I don't think it's going to require a lot of extras, somehow. I mean it's not one of those shoot-em-up games that requires esoteric hardware. It might work in vmware too. But as there is no OSS or TI didn't (yet) port Derive, isn't there something that does run on Linux that is comparable? mupad, macsyma, and the like spring to mind. I'm not qualified (no maths degree) enough to really judge the capabilities and what Derive will do that OSS replacements wouldn't, however. (mupad I think is still OSS or free for personal use; macsyma is in contrib last time I looked. The command line version is lisp-based and clunky as hell, but the X11 version is a little more polished.) Kaj Haulrich. I think his daughter is required to have Derive. :( LX Thanks for your suggestions, David. Alas... as Lyvim pointed out, she _has_ to use Derive in order to cooperate with her classmates. And as a follow-up to this lengthy thread : I received fresh CDs from HP, removed the ethernet cable from her box, re-installed WindowsXP, added a firewall (Zone Alarm), de-activated as much as I could find (Messenger, Updates, NetBIOS and a few other things), installed 4 different antivirus/antispyware applications (via a CD burnt on Mandrake), set her default browser and mailer to Mozilla, her office suite to OpenOffice.org, and - after innumerable re-boots - connected the thing to the Internet. Ran two full scans (Sygatetech and GRC Shields Up) and found everything OK. All this was accomplished thanks to the kind folks on this list. And you know what ? - Although only 14 years old, my daughter isn't exactly stupid. She now uses her box for schoolwork (Derive and OpenOffice.org) but every time she wants to use the net (mail, browsing, accessing her schools network etc..) she goes to my box, opens her linux-account and does what she wants. Transfers between the two boxes are done via floppies or CDs. She unplugged her ethernet cable again, just to feel safe. And we don't have to worry about this SP2 thingy. So, once again, we're a respectable family and can't be accused of contaminating the Internet. Thanks, all who helped. Peace. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Good to hear... CDs ... costers.. may I suggest that you buy a usb flash it will be cheeper for you in the long run. This topic has lasted a while.. Quote Although only 14 years old, my daughter isn't exactly stupid At least she can use another operating system.. unlike most 14 year olds. - Original Message - From: Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP On Wednesday 15 September 2004 00:45, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 18:40, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:26:47 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. It might still. I don't think it's going to require a lot of extras, somehow. I mean it's not one of those shoot-em-up games that requires esoteric hardware. It might work in vmware too. But as there is no OSS or TI didn't (yet) port Derive, isn't there something that does run on Linux that is comparable? mupad, macsyma, and the like spring to mind. I'm not qualified (no maths degree) enough to really judge the capabilities and what Derive will do that OSS replacements wouldn't, however. (mupad I think is still OSS or free for personal use; macsyma is in contrib last time I looked. The command line version is lisp-based and clunky as hell, but the X11 version is a little more polished.) Kaj Haulrich. I think his daughter is required to have Derive. :( LX Thanks for your suggestions, David. Alas... as Lyvim pointed out, she _has_ to use Derive in order to cooperate with her classmates. And as a follow-up to this lengthy thread : I received fresh CDs from HP, removed the ethernet cable from her box, re-installed WindowsXP, added a firewall (Zone Alarm), de-activated as much as I could find (Messenger, Updates, NetBIOS and a few other things), installed 4 different antivirus/antispyware applications (via a CD burnt on Mandrake), set her default browser and mailer to Mozilla, her office suite to OpenOffice.org, and - after innumerable re-boots - connected the thing to the Internet. Ran two full scans (Sygatetech and GRC Shields Up) and found everything OK. All this was accomplished thanks to the kind folks on this list. And you know what ? - Although only 14 years old, my daughter isn't exactly stupid. She now uses her box for schoolwork (Derive and OpenOffice.org) but every time she wants to use the net (mail, browsing, accessing her schools network etc..) she goes to my box, opens her linux-account and does what she wants. Transfers between the two boxes are done via floppies or CDs. She unplugged her ethernet cable again, just to feel safe. And we don't have to worry about this SP2 thingy. So, once again, we're a respectable family and can't be accused of contaminating the Internet. Thanks, all who helped. Peace. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 15 September 2004 13:12, Anthony Cull wrote: Good to hear... CDs ... costers.. may I suggest that you buy a usb flash it will be cheeper for you in the long run. This topic has lasted a while.. Quote Although only 14 years old, my daughter isn't exactly stupid At least she can use another operating system.. unlike most 14 year olds. Excellent idea, Anthony. Thanks. Can you by any chance recommend a USB flash that works with Mandrake as well as Windows ? - I don't have that much experience with USB other than my camera and scanner. And thanks for the roses for my daughter. Actually she grew up with Linux, and when she got her brand new WindowsXP computer, her first remark was : good heavens, what a childish system ! (In fact, her comment was a bit harsher in Danish, but out of courtesy I'll not try a translation on this decent list.) Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:09:19 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your suggestions, David. Alas... as Lyvim pointed out, she _has_ to use Derive in order to cooperate with her classmates. Oh well :(. And you know what ? - Although only 14 years old, my daughter isn't exactly stupid. She now uses her box for schoolwork (Derive and I would not think so. Derive is a calculus package, if I'm not mistaken. I guess that means she's studying calculus in middle school (in US, 14 yrs old would either be end of 8th or first year of 9th grade / high school). Derive of course can be used for less advanced things too :). Kaj Haulrich. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:29:59 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thanks for the roses for my daughter. Actually she grew up with Linux, and when she got her brand new WindowsXP computer, her first remark was : good heavens, what a childish system ! (In fact, her Just don't get her one of those barbie-doll computers (hot pink color) :). (duck) Kaj Haulrich. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 15 September 2004 19:26, David E. Fox wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:29:59 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thanks for the roses for my daughter. Actually she grew up with Linux, and when she got her brand new WindowsXP computer, her first remark was : good heavens, what a childish system ! (In fact, her Just don't get her one of those barbie-doll computers (hot pink color) :). (duck) Is a Barbie-doll PC more childish than a Windows PC ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:11, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 15 September 2004 19:26, David E. Fox wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:29:59 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thanks for the roses for my daughter. Actually she grew up with Linux, and when she got her brand new WindowsXP computer, her first remark was : good heavens, what a childish system ! (In fact, her Just don't get her one of those barbie-doll computers (hot pink color) :). (duck) Is a Barbie-doll PC more childish than a Windows PC ? Kaj Haulrich. That's a tough call. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 15 September 2004 04:24 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:11, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 15 September 2004 19:26, David E. Fox wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:29:59 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thanks for the roses for my daughter. Actually she grew up with Linux, and when she got her brand new WindowsXP computer, her first remark was : good heavens, what a childish system ! (In fact, her Just don't get her one of those barbie-doll computers (hot pink color) :). (duck) Is a Barbie-doll PC more childish than a Windows PC ? Kaj Haulrich. That's a tough call. LX Never mind Barbie. Check this out: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=314966pfp=BROWSE After all, shouldn't a Mickey Mouse operating system be run on a genuine Mickey Mouse computer? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 19:00, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Never mind Barbie. Check this out: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=314966pfp=BROWSE After all, shouldn't a Mickey Mouse operating system be run on a genuine Mickey Mouse computer? -- cmg Wow...I thought I'd seen the last of the mickey mouse computers when the American division of Packard Bell shut down. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 15 September 2004 08:12 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 19:00, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Never mind Barbie. Check this out: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=314966pfp= BROWSE After all, shouldn't a Mickey Mouse operating system be run on a genuine Mickey Mouse computer? -- cmg Wow...I thought I'd seen the last of the mickey mouse computers when the American division of Packard Bell shut down. LX Hey,hey,hey, I have one of those PB's sitting in the corner and it is not mickey mouse. It's .bita bang.. Tinkerbell hardware. The case is tough though.: ) -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:26:47 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. It might still. I don't think it's going to require a lot of extras, somehow. I mean it's not one of those shoot-em-up games that requires esoteric hardware. It might work in vmware too. But as there is no OSS or TI didn't (yet) port Derive, isn't there something that does run on Linux that is comparable? mupad, macsyma, and the like spring to mind. I'm not qualified (no maths degree) enough to really judge the capabilities and what Derive will do that OSS replacements wouldn't, however. (mupad I think is still OSS or free for personal use; macsyma is in contrib last time I looked. The command line version is lisp-based and clunky as hell, but the X11 version is a little more polished.) Kaj Haulrich. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 18:40, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:26:47 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. It might still. I don't think it's going to require a lot of extras, somehow. I mean it's not one of those shoot-em-up games that requires esoteric hardware. It might work in vmware too. But as there is no OSS or TI didn't (yet) port Derive, isn't there something that does run on Linux that is comparable? mupad, macsyma, and the like spring to mind. I'm not qualified (no maths degree) enough to really judge the capabilities and what Derive will do that OSS replacements wouldn't, however. (mupad I think is still OSS or free for personal use; macsyma is in contrib last time I looked. The command line version is lisp-based and clunky as hell, but the X11 version is a little more polished.) Kaj Haulrich. I think his daughter is required to have Derive. :( LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Carroll Grigsby wrote: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. snip Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) What's wrong with the traditional practice of popping old CDs in the microwave? -- cmg I don't waste my microwave oven (and the enegry required) on that! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: Now, a launcher that would fire old CD's at 1000 FPS and 300 rounds per minute would be a *gas*. If CD's have any metal in them, couldn't you even build like a CD railgun? Heh. Look out Bill, yer about to feel the pain you've inflicted on others oh these many years... Aerodynamicaly unstable like windows. Maybe one disc, but if you clue a set of 5 together, they're a bit stronger. Just drop em on a clay stud launcher and yell Pull. I think that's not only more fun, but also a bit more challenging then have 'm at a direct aim in front of you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 16:28, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. J or M Montgomery wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:04:39 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am. Fifthly, some years ago she used some Windows-installation CDs for rifle practice, and now she wants to do do the same with those restore-CDs. There is a nice final solution to the MS crap. Take all of your Win Cds and make them as for a darts board. The rules subtract 25 points for each total miss and instant loss of game if you hit the center hole. Damage must be done in order to score points. When a winner is declared he/she gets the opportunity to boot boot the computer and reformat the HDD. If left at this point you could call it an uninstall party. Better though is to let a MS user install Mandrake and then you have an install party. Cheers John Montgomery Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom. On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and gives you a warm, inner joy. Kaj Haulrich. I have a few wincds for target practise, I'll have to ask my brother maybe he'll take me out plink'n some time ; terry Terry Golightly ... t_dot_golightly-at-verizon_dot_net ... Pittsburgh, Pa Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-15mdk-i686-up-4GB 09:58:48 up 15 days, 17:28, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.17, 0.22 No friendship is so cordial or so delicious as that of girl for girl; no hatred so intense or immovable as that of woman for woman. -- Landor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 07:00, Terence Golightly wrote: On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 16:28, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. J or M Montgomery wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:04:39 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am. Fifthly, some years ago she used some Windows-installation CDs for rifle practice, and now she wants to do do the same with those restore-CDs. There is a nice final solution to the MS crap. Take all of your Win Cds and make them as for a darts board. The rules subtract 25 points for each total miss and instant loss of game if you hit the center hole. Damage must be done in order to score points. When a winner is declared he/she gets the opportunity to boot boot the computer and reformat the HDD. If left at this point you could call it an uninstall party. Better though is to let a MS user install Mandrake and then you have an install party. Cheers John Montgomery Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom. On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and gives you a warm, inner joy. Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) Kaj Haulrich. I have a few wincds for target practise, I'll have to ask my brother maybe he'll take me out plink'n some time ; terry Terry Golightly ... t_dot_golightly-at-verizon_dot_net ... Pittsburgh, Pa Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-15mdk-i686-up-4GB 09:58:48 up 15 days, 17:28, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.17, 0.22 No friendship is so cordial or so delicious as that of girl for girl; no hatred so intense or immovable as that of woman for woman. -- Landor __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 04 September 2004 19:14, Aron wrote: Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom. On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and gives you a warm, inner joy. Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) Not on a shooting range, it doesn't. Those Windows-CDs had to end up somewhere, eventually. Preferably in an incineration facility, rather then in someones innocent computer. On a shooting range, all debris, including brass jackets, lead and fragmented Windows-CDs is incenerated, separated and re-used. Maybe Windows-debris can get a new and better life as Linux-CDs ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 04 September 2004 11:33 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2004 19:14, Aron wrote: Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom. On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and gives you a warm, inner joy. Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) Not on a shooting range, it doesn't. Those Windows-CDs had to end up somewhere, eventually. Preferably in an incineration facility, rather then in someones innocent computer. On a shooting range, all debris, including brass jackets, lead and fragmented Windows-CDs is incenerated, separated and re-used. Maybe Windows-debris can get a new and better life as Linux-CDs ? We just finished a 3 month shutdown of our range You wouldnot believe the amount of lead we recovered especially from the skeet range Kaj Haulrich. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 04 September 2004 02:45 pm, aron Smith wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2004 11:33 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2004 19:14, Aron wrote: snip We just finished a 3 month shutdown of our range You wouldnot believe the amount of lead we recovered especially from the skeet range Kaj Haulrich. Yea expeced lead, steel, copper but how much windows cd crapO? -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User $363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 04 September 2004 01:14 pm, Aron wrote: On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 07:00, Terence Golightly wrote: On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 16:28, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. snip Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) What's wrong with the traditional practice of popping old CDs in the microwave? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 04 September 2004 07:07 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2004 01:14 pm, Aron wrote: On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 07:00, Terence Golightly wrote: On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 16:28, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. snip Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) What's wrong with the traditional practice of popping old CDs in the microwave? -- cmg A waste of power besides shooting them sounds like fun. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User $363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:07:00 -0400 Carroll Grigsby disseminated the following: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. snip Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) What's wrong with the traditional practice of popping old CDs in the microwave? ...doesn't fulfill the ultimate purpose of popping off a few rounds from a great big gun, which is of course to compensate for below-average physical characteristics in certain areas ;-) Now, a launcher that would fire old CD's at 1000 FPS and 300 rounds per minute would be a *gas*. If CD's have any metal in them, couldn't you even build like a CD railgun? Heh. Look out Bill, yer about to feel the pain you've inflicted on others oh these many years... -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 20:24:11 up 31 days, 20:09, 10 users, load average: 0.12, 0.13, 0.15 +++ President Bush is asking Congress for $80 billion dollars to rebuild Iraq. And when you make out that check, remember there are two L's in Halliburton. -- David Letterman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 20:30, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:07:00 -0400 Carroll Grigsby disseminated the following: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. snip Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) What's wrong with the traditional practice of popping old CDs in the microwave? ...doesn't fulfill the ultimate purpose of popping off a few rounds from a great big gun, which is of course to compensate for below-average physical characteristics in certain areas ;-) So you've been running around examining or taking samples? It's about time you came out of the closet. It's all starting to make sense now. Now, a launcher that would fire old CD's at 1000 FPS and 300 rounds per minute would be a *gas*. If CD's have any metal in them, couldn't you even build like a CD railgun? Heh. Look out Bill, yer about to feel the pain you've inflicted on others oh these many years... If we extrapolate your original premise, then by your own logic your preference for a railgun means you are outgunned by the gun owners in the certain physical characteristics category. Tongue in cheek alert for the comically impaired. :) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 04 September 2004 07:30 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:07:00 -0400 Carroll Grigsby disseminated the following: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. snip Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) What's wrong with the traditional practice of popping old CDs in the microwave? ...doesn't fulfill the ultimate purpose of popping off a few rounds from a great big gun, which is of course to compensate for below-average physical characteristics in certain areas ;-) Now, a launcher that would fire old CD's at 1000 FPS and 300 rounds per minute would be a *gas*. If CD's have any metal in them, couldn't you even build like a CD railgun? Heh. Look out Bill, yer about to feel the pain you've inflicted on others oh these many years... Aerodynamicaly unstable like windows. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User $363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. J or M Montgomery wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:04:39 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am. Fifthly, some years ago she used some Windows-installation CDs for rifle practice, and now she wants to do do the same with those restore-CDs. There is a nice final solution to the MS crap. Take all of your Win Cds and make them as for a darts board. The rules subtract 25 points for each total miss and instant loss of game if you hit the center hole. Damage must be done in order to score points. When a winner is declared he/she gets the opportunity to boot boot the computer and reformat the HDD. If left at this point you could call it an uninstall party. Better though is to let a MS user install Mandrake and then you have an install party. Cheers John Montgomery Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom. On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and gives you a warm, inner joy. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom. On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and gives you a warm, inner joy. I tried using them as frisbee and have my dog catch it, but it broke in a thousand pieces and my dog pukes from those CD's as well. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 17:13, Vincent Voois wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: That just proves that their people are smarter than ours. No not specifically, if you don't have any money to spend on software, you use free software. In a way smarter:it's smarter than downloading illegal versions of Microsoft ware. But Asians and Africans still have some good pot of politeness in comparance to the average western arrogant PC user. So let me see if I got this straight. You are saying that entire majority of PC users in the western world are arrogant? I said:*Average*, this does not really match phrases like *entire majority* And i did not meant America specifically, there are enough arrogant people in Europe too, including my own country unfortunately (and entire majority does count for my country). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tuesday 31 August 2004 00:04, Vincent Voois wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: any different. This is also true of UNIX and other OS's such as IBM can you imagine IBM loseing business to linux. IBM always had a good arrogant head up, this is why they had to fire over 40.000 people back 1 and a half decade ago. They have the potential to do it again on this market. They already loose in Asia and Africa as Microsoft really get's whooped-ass over there due to the fact people rather using Linux in those regions. That just proves that their people are smarter than ours. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:26 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: No not specifically, if you don't have any money to spend on software, you use free software. In a way smarter:it's smarter than downloading illegal versions of Microsoft ware. But Asians and Africans still have some good pot of politeness in comparance to the average western arrogant PC user. So let me see if I got this straight. You are saying that entire majority of PC users in the western world are arrogant? Terrible, just terrible, to generalize like that, yes. He should have specified *Americans* ;-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:22:51 up 27 days, 19:07, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 +++ The really critical thing isn't who is sitting in the White House but who is *sitting in*; in the streets, in the cafeterias, in the halls of government, in the factories. Who is protesting, who is occupying offices and demonstrating--those are the things that determine what happens. -- Howard Zinn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 07:24:34PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:26 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: No not specifically, if you don't have any money to spend on software, you use free software. In a way smarter:it's smarter than downloading illegal versions of Microsoft ware. But Asians and Africans still have some good pot of politeness in comparance to the average western arrogant PC user. So let me see if I got this straight. You are saying that entire majority of PC users in the western world are arrogant? Terrible, just terrible, to generalize like that, yes. He should have specified *Americans* ;-) My wife is quick to point out that she is American, even though she is not a US citizen ;) Todd -- Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media. -Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Friday 27 August 2004 13:52, Stephen Kühn wrote: Kmail unstable? Outlook and Outlook Express are unstable; Kmail is just, er, quirky. that would be... 'random enhancements' -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:37:03 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: Imagine there's no Microsoft, it isn't hard to do; no DRM or viruses, and no closed source software too... I'm sure that you dont understand the extent of closed source software. ...oh, Hoyt, LIGHTEN UP. Anyhow, I understand it enough to know it is a rapidly failing development model, soon to be relegated to the scrapheap of history by more flexible, innovative and secure open source solutions, which is why so many of the big guys are making the foray into the OSS arena. They don't want to be left holding their nuts when the bottom falls out. But even more, as the man hisself said: A non-free program is a predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division, and uses the spoils to dominate more. It may seem like a profitable option to become one of the emperor's lieutenants, but ultimately the ethical thing to do is to resist the system and put an end to it. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:17:01 up 26 days, 19:01, 11 users, load average: 1.37, 1.30, 1.28 +++ The struggle between people and capital is now an epic struggle between life and death. -- Vandana Shiva, World Social Forum, January 16, 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Monday 30 August 2004 20:49, JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:18:21 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: A non-free program is a predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division, and uses the spoils to dominate more. It may seem like a profitable option to become one of the emperor's lieutenants, but ultimately the ethical thing to do is to resist the system and put an end to it. You seem to have forgotten the bankers, lawyers, indian chiefs, accountants, small business, big business, factories, labs, hospitals, etc. If you think millions of business concerns are paying $1,500 per month and up for software use for nothing, you maybe ought to rethink. The business seems to be doing well. Didn't say they were dead, Hoyt, said they were *dying*. The facts speak for themselves: An Evans Data survey published in November 2001 found that 48.1% of international developers and 39.6% of North Americans plan to target most of their applications to GNU/Linux. In October 2002, they found that 59% of developers expect to write Linux applications in the next year. The November 2001 edition of the Evans Data International Developer Survey Series reported on in-depth interviews with over 400 developers representing over 70 countries, and found that when asked which OS they plan to target with most of their applications next year, 48.1% of international developers and 39.6% of North Americans stated that they plan to target most of their applications to GNU/Linux. This is surprising since only a year earlier less than a third of the international development community was writing GNU/Linux applications. The survey also found that 37.8% of the international development community and 33.7% of North American developers have already written applications for GNU/Linux, and that over half of those surveyed have enough confidence in GNU/Linux to use it for mission-critical applications. Evans Data conducted a survey in October 2002. In this survey, they reported ___Linux continues to expand its user base. 59% of survey respondents expect to write Linux applications in the next year.___ An Evans Data survey made public in February 2004 found that 1.1 million developers in North America were working on OSS/FS projects. Evans Data___s North American Developer Population Study examined the number of software developers using various approaches. It found that more than 1.1 million developers in North America were spending at least some of their time working on Open Source development projects. That___s an extraordinarily large number of people, and it doesn___t even account for developers in other countries. Many only develop part-time, but that many people can develop a lot of software, and having a large number of people increases the likelihood of helpful insights and innovations in various OSS/FS projects. A Japanese survey found widespread use and support for GNU/Linux; overall use of GNU/Linux jumped from 35.5% in 2001 to 64.3% in 2002 of Japanese corporations, and GNU/Linux was the most popular platform for small projects. The book Linux White Paper 2003 (published by Impress Corporation) surveys the use of GNU/Linux in Japan (it is an update to an earlier book, ___Linux White Paper 2001-2002___). This is written in Japanese; here is a brief summary of its contents. The survey has two parts, user and vendor. In ___Part I : User enterprise___, they surveyed 729 enterprises that use servers. In ___Part II : Vendor enterprise___, they surveyed 276 vendor enterprises who supply server computers, including system integrators, software developers, IT service suppliers, and hardware resellers. The most interesting results are those that discuss the use of Linux servers in user enterprises, the support of Linux servers by vendors, and Linux server adoption in system integration projects. Link: http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html I offer the gaming industry, there are now servers and other programs that allow games to run under linux, but you still have to buy the game. I cant expect that an accounting program that runs on Texas Instrument OS and costs $1500 per month will do any different. This is also true of UNIX and other OS's such as IBM can you imagine IBM loseing business to linux. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:28:22 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html I offer the gaming industry, there are now servers and other programs that allow games to run under linux, but you still have to buy the game. I cant expect that an accounting program that runs on Texas Instrument OS and costs $1500 per month will do any different. This is also true of UNIX and other OS's such as IBM can you imagine IBM loseing business to linux. It's not going to happen tomorrow. If you had actually read the info I posted, you would understand I'm talking about a *trend* here, Hoyt. A process of change. Just try to wrap your head around that for one second. Will proprietary software ever be totally wiped out? Not in our lifetimes, I don't think. Is OSS gaining, and overtaking, proprietary closed source development? Yes. Is OSS winning out time after time when businesses are making decisions about expanding or replacing their infrastructure? Yes again. Oh, and when that TI box wears out, who do you think they'll be calling ;-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 22:48:48 up 26 days, 22:33, 9 users, load average: 0.14, 0.24, 0.30 +++ It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth... -- Morpheus, in The Matrix, describing Fox News Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
JoeHill wrote: But even more, as the man hisself said: A non-free program is a predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division, and uses the spoils to dominate more. It may seem like a profitable option to become one of the emperor's lieutenants, but ultimately the ethical thing to do is to resist the system and put an end to it. Microsoft's last excuse: Aber wir habe est nicht gewusst! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: any different. This is also true of UNIX and other OS's such as IBM can you imagine IBM loseing business to linux. IBM always had a good arrogant head up, this is why they had to fire over 40.000 people back 1 and a half decade ago. They have the potential to do it again on this market. They already loose in Asia and Africa as Microsoft really get's whooped-ass over there due to the fact people rather using Linux in those regions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 28 Aug 2004 13:26, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 28 August 2004 12:50, Hoyt Bailey wrote: snip That is one good reason there are others. Have you considered Win4linux or Crossover Office? /snip Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. Never mind Hoyt, Lyvim, John and all you nice people. My daughters Windows box stays off the net, she uses Linux for networking, there's peace in my home, in my mind and - hopefully on this fine list too. Have a good week-end, all. Kaj Haulrich. Out of curiosity some time ago I looked at Derive. I got version 5 running using Crossover Office. I don't recall how well it ran as having got it to run my curiosity moved on to other things. You can d/l a trial version of Crossover Office and give it a go -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sunday 29 August 2004 11:13, Poogle wrote: snip Out of curiosity some time ago I looked at Derive. I got version 5 running using Crossover Office. I don't recall how well it ran as having got it to run my curiosity moved on to other things. You can d/l a trial version of Crossover Office and give it a go /snip Thanks Poogle. I'll give it a try. Would indeed solve gazillions of problems. During the few days I was on line with her WindowsXP I really felt like an intruder and terrorist to the entire Internet. Even now, with her Windows box totally stand-alone, I feel uncomfortable having this virus-magnet/dispenser in our home. Paranoid ? - Maybe. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sunday 29 August 2004 06:30, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Sunday 29 August 2004 11:13, Poogle wrote: snip Out of curiosity some time ago I looked at Derive. I got version 5 running using Crossover Office. I don't recall how well it ran as having got it to run my curiosity moved on to other things. You can d/l a trial version of Crossover Office and give it a go /snip Thanks Poogle. I'll give it a try. Would indeed solve gazillions of problems. During the few days I was on line with her WindowsXP I really felt like an intruder and terrorist to the entire Internet. Even now, with her Windows box totally stand-alone, I feel uncomfortable having this virus-magnet/dispenser in our home. Paranoid ? - Maybe. Kaj Haulrich. Would you consider it paranoid to run if a 6'6 250lb person told you that he was going to knock you out of the park and he was holding a baseball bat? -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
John Richard Smith wrote: Heck, Things have sunk low. HP doesn't even give you their own backup disks as an emergency recovery any more. I mean, not unnaturally the average user , ain't gonna think of creating their own image backups, the moment they first plug the PC in and boot up. So these people are totally stuffed, and totally reliant upon HP's generaosityif they still have them.Plus the backup is presumeably to HD where it can also get infected/corrupted. All I can say is that HP used to give you their own backup/recovery dics. That means your daughter did you a serice is getting your computer virused up early on in the computers life , because you were then quick enough to ask for the missing discs before they don't have them any more. I'm glad I don't buy there proprietary PC's any more. John The nice thing about such PC's is (and it doesn't matter which one) you can always download the propriety hardware drivers from the site. And the nice thing about Microsoft Software is:There's always a good corporate edition floating around on the P2P networks. You don't need recovery discs, just an ISO image of the corporate or professional edition (XP Home OEM is a mayor bummer) Reinstall the os and virusscanner if possible, enable firewall, download patches and update virusscanner and ur done. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: Would you consider it paranoid to run if a 6'6 250lb person told you that he was going to knock you out of the park and he was holding a baseball bat? HEhehehehehehe. U just pull his cap across his face, kick his nutts on the floor and break his baseballbat on his own knees. I don't run, i swiftly act upon request. Because i know this person doesn't run very fast, doesn't swing very fast (though he has ultimo power, avoiding is easy) Seek for the weak spots and figure a way around it, then deal with it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Friday 27 August 2004 12:52, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 03:31, Vincent Voois wrote: charlie wrote: snip It just got upset of Hoyt's remark about Kmail being too unstable. Kmail unstable? Outlook and Outlook Express are unstable; Kmail is just, er, quirky. I dont recall OE ever refusing to send a message I thoght it sent too much. Perhaps the defination of quirky and unstable ought to be reversed. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Friday 27 August 2004 13:38, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 27 August 2004 19:22, Vincent Voois wrote: snip Until I receive a new set of installation CDs from HP, her Windows XP stays disconnected. With the new installation disks at hand, I will install XP, Then Open Office, Mozilla, 5 antivirus, 3 trojan/worm/spyware/ad-ware killers and 2 firewalsl (all downloaded and burned from my linux box). Then, maybe, it will be connected. Until then, my daughter uses her account on my Linux box. She herself is now highly motivated to stay off the internet with her Windows XP. Reason : We reviewed the logs from the various cleaning applications. They showed no less than 1543 dubious files. In one week. We don't like flies, so we don't put a carcass in our living room and then open the Windows. Kaj Haulrich. That is one good reason there are others. Have you considered Win4linux or Crossover Office? -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Saturday 28 August 2004 12:50, Hoyt Bailey wrote: snip That is one good reason there are others. Have you considered Win4linux or Crossover Office? /snip Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. Never mind Hoyt, Lyvim, John and all you nice people. My daughters Windows box stays off the net, she uses Linux for networking, there's peace in my home, in my mind and - hopefully on this fine list too. Have a good week-end, all. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 15:26, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. Never mind Hoyt, Lyvim, John and all you nice people. My daughters Windows box stays off the net, she uses Linux for networking, there's peace in my home, in my mind and - hopefully on this fine list too. Have a good week-end, all. Kaj Haulrich. Crossover only list the tried proven applications, I use it for several other apps that aren't listed. Try the trial version, check whether yours work or not, but still probably better to maintain the present setup. pm -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. Douglas Adams. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: replies within On Saturday 28 August 2004 12:21, John Richard Smith wrote: John, the HP box came with no CDs at all. Instead, the is an icon on the desktop, labelled create HP restore disks or some such. Being only human, I was curious and connected to the net first in order to see if this crap really worked. Then, after about half an hour, I clicked the icon. that initiated a burn of no less than 6 CDs. The set of installation CDs from HP that you refer to, were they not supplied by HP with the Computer as backup/restore discs, No. I had to burn'em myself. Self-service, y'know. If you get stuck for an M$ XP install disc, see me off list. John Thanks, John. After some arguing back and forth HP agreed to send me fresh CD's. Kaj Haulrich. Heck, Things have sunk low. HP doesn't even give you their own backup disks as an emergency recovery any more. I mean, not unnaturally the average user , ain't gonna think of creating their own image backups, the moment they first plug the PC in and boot up. So these people are totally stuffed, and totally reliant upon HP's generaosityif they still have them.Plus the backup is presumeably to HD where it can also get infected/corrupted. All I can say is that HP used to give you their own backup/recovery dics. That means your daughter did you a serice is getting your computer virused up early on in the computers life , because you were then quick enough to ask for the missing discs before they don't have them any more. I'm glad I don't buy there proprietary PC's any more. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
charlie wrote: Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. Happened to me in Mozilla . Don't remember whose mail it was, but on this list. I was deleting one message, and it was loading the next, when it locked up tight. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thursday 26 August 2004 11:13, John Richard Smith wrote: charlie wrote: Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. Happened to me in Mozilla . Don't remember whose mail it was, but on this list. I was deleting one message, and it was loading the next, when it locked up tight. John Happens to me quite often (in Kontact). I noticed, that after a download of multiple mails, sometimes the list window (the one with all mails in it) marks more then one, usually three mails for reading/moving or deleting. After reading one mail, and then deleting it in order to read the next, Kontact locks up completely. However, after killing Kontact and restarting it, all messages are marked as read, but hereafter it is stable - at least until the next reboot. Must be a bug. Eh.. haven't we here hijacked a thread that was otherwise closed ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. Happened to me in Mozilla . Don't remember whose mail it was, but on this list. I was deleting one message, and it was loading the next, when it locked up tight. John Happens to me quite often (in Kontact). I noticed, that after a download of multiple mails, sometimes the list window (the one with all mails in it) marks more then one, usually three mails for reading/moving or deleting. After reading one mail, and then deleting it in order to read the next, Kontact locks up completely. However, after killing Kontact and restarting it, all messages are marked as read, but hereafter it is stable - at least until the next reboot. Must be a bug. Eh.. haven't we here hijacked a thread that was otherwise closed ? Kaj Haulrich. I cannot say that this has happened to me very often in Mozilla. As far as mozilla is concerned, the app loads in 1.5 seconds, Most things load normally when viewed, and about the only thing not totally stable is the message counters, the numbers don't always appear each time they finish loading, have to click back and forth across a catagory or two, to make the numbers reappear. The one bind with Mozilla is the line wrap isn't stable in all it's messages,sub-messages, and sub-sub-messages, I have to keep tidying the line wrap up to make it readable with easy. I do wish this could be fixed. I tried reducing the number of line wrap charcters to lower settings, but it doesn't really work. There is something fundamentally screwed about the setup of line wrap in all it's uses within mozilla. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
charlie wrote: I took a look at mozilla mail but didnt like it I'll check out Thunderbird I must admit kmail is too unstable, on my system, to serve well. I would prefer to address the instability but dont have a clue it may be somewhere else. Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. It just got upset of Hoyt's remark about Kmail being too unstable. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 07:51, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:07:02 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: Just suppose that Windows was gone completely. The internet would speed up little virus activity would occur. Sure the usage would go down for a while but everyone would be happier. Hey! Something Hoyt and I are in complete agreement on! I knew there must be something ;-) With all due respect to John Lennon... Imagine there's no Microsoft, it isn't hard to do; no DRM or viruses, and no closed source software too... I'm sure that you dont understand the extent of closed source software. Why does almost everyone think that Mickeysoft is the only one producing closed source software? Even on windows you have Open Source software. And in many cases even cross-platform (Windows / Linux). Like XBasic, which i prefer above Visual Basic. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 03:31, Vincent Voois wrote: charlie wrote: I took a look at mozilla mail but didnt like it I'll check out Thunderbird I must admit kmail is too unstable, on my system, to serve well. I would prefer to address the instability but dont have a clue it may be somewhere else. Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. It just got upset of Hoyt's remark about Kmail being too unstable. Kmail unstable? Outlook and Outlook Express are unstable; Kmail is just, er, quirky. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Vampires have risen from the dead, the grave and the crypt, but have never managed it from the cat. (Witches Abroad) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Why would you hook up her machine directly to the net when can arrange your Linux box to do all the NAT and firewalling stuff? All required are two ethernet cards and a crosscable (or a hub/switch and two utp cables). It's not an expensive configuration anymore nowadays. Simple explanation : Her room is about 10 meters away from my home office, and I don't want to spend another day drilling holes, re-arranging rugs etc. thus exposing myself tho the ire of my - ever beloved - supreme command. Furthermore, I'm not the type of guy that has the PC running non-stop. Actually, I hate the noise from the fan. And I suppose, that in order to have my box doing all the filtering for her box would necessitate a boot on both machines every time she wants to send an e-mail. Okay, then a simple switch would do the thing (besides the better silence-prestation, doesn't eat much power either), but this works pretty neatly only if you have a dialup connection effective enough for this (DSL or no charge for local calls) The application she requires under windows, does it work in Wine? If it does, why bother keeping her box up with windows? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Friday 27 August 2004 19:22, Vincent Voois wrote: snip The application she requires under windows, does it work in Wine? If it does, why bother keeping her box up with windows? /snip The application in question is Derive from Texas Instruments. Her math teacher insists on it and all her class-mates use it. It doesn't run under wine. Until I receive a new set of installation CDs from HP, her Windows XP stays disconnected. With the new installation disks at hand, I will install XP, Then Open Office, Mozilla, 5 antivirus, 3 trojan/worm/spyware/ad-ware killers and 2 firewalsl (all downloaded and burned from my linux box). Then, maybe, it will be connected. Until then, my daughter uses her account on my Linux box. She herself is now highly motivated to stay off the internet with her Windows XP. Reason : We reviewed the logs from the various cleaning applications. They showed no less than 1543 dubious files. In one week. We don't like flies, so we don't put a carcass in our living room and then open the Windows. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Until I receive a new set of installation CDs from HP, her Windows XP stays disconnected. With the new installation disks at hand, I will install XP, Then Open Office, Mozilla, 5 antivirus, 3 trojan/worm/spyware/ad-ware killers and 2 firewalsl (all downloaded and burned from my linux box). Then, maybe, it will be connected. Until then, my daughter uses her account on my Linux box. If you still would be required to download the stuff, i would have advised to install the other way around:1st firewall, then anti-virus, then the rest. She herself is now highly motivated to stay off the internet with her Windows XP. Reason : We reviewed the logs from the various cleaning applications. They showed no less than 1543 dubious files. In one week. It i'll take me a year to get that much leaving my system wide open. But this is because i have a hardware-firewall. We don't like flies, so we don't put a carcass in our living room and then open the Windows. Hahahahahaha Microsoft Carcass 2.0 attract more flies than it did ever before :P Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 16:08, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 18:55, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Either I am the dumbest person who ever powered up a PC - or Microsoft should be expelled from the Internet until they come up with a real operating system. Thank you all. Kaj Haulrich. Expell Mirosoft from everything. No, let them have Windows, just keep 'm off Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: My daughters PC and I have agreed on an armstice : It will remain disconnected from all and everything until I receive new CD's from HP. Then - maybe - I will try again, now armed with all your advice and one CD full of antispyware/antivirus/antiworm/firewall weapons downloaded and burned via Linux. And NO networking until at least 7 scans reveils NO malware whatsoever. And, if after 5 minutes online it shows the slightest sign of infection : goodbye to networking for good. Why would you hook up her machine directly to the net when can arrange your Linux box to do all the NAT and firewalling stuff? All required are two ethernet cards and a crosscable (or a hub/switch and two utp cables). It's not an expensive configuration anymore nowadays. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 17:53, Lanman wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 16:08, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 18:55, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Either I am the dumbest person who ever powered up a PC - or Microsoft should be expelled from the Internet until they come up with a real operating system. Thank you all. Kaj Haulrich. Expell Mirosoft from everything. Hoyt? Did you ever manage to get your spell-checker in KMail working? Just curious Dude! (Pssst! Expel only has one l in it!) Grin! Sorry, just got a small chuckle from that, and I couldn't help myself! Lanman Now that you mention it spellcheck only works randomly. That is now its working in 5 or 10 seconds it will quit, or not, and it may start again within one reply. With my spelling ability it needs to work all the time and it would be nice if it made suggestions like google did you mean. It is now disabled[As-you-type spell checking disabled.] as expected and all I was doing you can see. Its a puzzle. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thursday 26 August 2004 01:00, Vincent Voois wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 16:08, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 18:55, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Either I am the dumbest person who ever powered up a PC - or Microsoft should be expelled from the Internet until they come up with a real operating system. Thank you all. Kaj Haulrich. Expell Mirosoft from everything. No, let them have Windows, just keep 'm off Linux. Just suppose that Windows was gone completely. The internet would speed up little virus activity would occur. Sure the usage would go down for a while but everyone would be happier. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: Now that you mention it spellcheck only works randomly. That is now its working in 5 or 10 seconds it will quit, or not, and it may start again within one reply. With my spelling ability it needs to work all the time and it would be nice if it made suggestions like google did you mean. It is now disabled[As-you-type spell checking disabled.] as expected and all I was doing you can see. Its a puzzle. Wish I had some sage advice to give you Hoyt, but I haven't been using KMail for over a year now. In fact, I don't even bother with the KDE-PIM packages at all. My biggest hassle was finding an email client that cold be deployed in a mixed platform environment and also one that made easy work of importing and exporting emails to/from other email clients. So I switched to Mozilla-Thunderbird about 5 or 6 months ago and never looked back. Now, even on dual-boot systems, I have full access to the same emails and accounts regardless of which OS I'm currently running. The address book is transportable as are the junk-mail filters and junk history, and the best thing is that my spell-checker not only works 110%, but I can also save or copy it to other systems including any new words or terms that it has learned. All of that saves a lot of time and hassle for myself and my clients. Since backing up the necessary files is a piece of cake, I also come across as a genius to my clients, which helps quite a bit when invoicing them! You might want to consider switching to Thunderbird. Their site also has a quick and clean method of grabbing your emails from KMail and moving them to Thunderbird. Clever guys! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:11, Vincent Voois wrote: Kaj Haulrich wrote: My daughters PC and I have agreed on an armstice : It will remain disconnected from all and everything until I receive new CD's from HP. Then - maybe - I will try again, now armed with all your advice and one CD full of antispyware/antivirus/antiworm/firewall weapons downloaded and burned via Linux. And NO networking until at least 7 scans reveils NO malware whatsoever. And, if after 5 minutes online it shows the slightest sign of infection : goodbye to networking for good. Why would you hook up her machine directly to the net when can arrange your Linux box to do all the NAT and firewalling stuff? All required are two ethernet cards and a crosscable (or a hub/switch and two utp cables). It's not an expensive configuration anymore nowadays. Simple explanation : Her room is about 10 meters away from my home office, and I don't want to spend another day drilling holes, re-arranging rugs etc. thus exposing myself tho the ire of my - ever beloved - supreme command. Furthermore, I'm not the type of guy that has the PC running non-stop. Actually, I hate the noise from the fan. And I suppose, that in order to have my box doing all the filtering for her box would necessitate a boot on both machines every time she wants to send an e-mail. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:07:02 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: Just suppose that Windows was gone completely. The internet would speed up little virus activity would occur. Sure the usage would go down for a while but everyone would be happier. Hey! Something Hoyt and I are in complete agreement on! I knew there must be something ;-) With all due respect to John Lennon... Imagine there's no Microsoft, it isn't hard to do; no DRM or viruses, and no closed source software too... -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 08:47:36 up 22 days, 8:31, 10 users, load average: 0.10, 0.04, 0.01 +++ Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. -- Amschel Mayer Rothschild, banker Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thursday 26 August 2004 07:51, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:07:02 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: Just suppose that Windows was gone completely. The internet would speed up little virus activity would occur. Sure the usage would go down for a while but everyone would be happier. Hey! Something Hoyt and I are in complete agreement on! I knew there must be something ;-) With all due respect to John Lennon... Imagine there's no Microsoft, it isn't hard to do; no DRM or viruses, and no closed source software too... I'm sure that you dont understand the extent of closed source software. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:11, Vincent Voois wrote: Kaj Haulrich wrote: My daughters PC and I have agreed on an armstice : It will remain disconnected from all and everything until I receive new CD's from HP. Then - maybe - I will try again, now armed with all your advice and one CD full of antispyware/antivirus/antiworm/firewall weapons downloaded and burned via Linux. And NO networking until at least 7 scans reveils NO malware whatsoever. And, if after 5 minutes online it shows the slightest sign of infection : goodbye to networking for good. Why would you hook up her machine directly to the net when can arrange your Linux box to do all the NAT and firewalling stuff? All required are two ethernet cards and a crosscable (or a hub/switch and two utp cables). It's not an expensive configuration anymore nowadays. Simple explanation : Her room is about 10 meters away from my home office, and I don't want to spend another day drilling holes, re-arranging rugs etc. thus exposing myself tho the ire of my - ever beloved - supreme command. Furthermore, I'm not the type of guy that has the PC running non-stop. Actually, I hate the noise from the fan. And I suppose, that in order to have my box doing all the filtering for her box would necessitate a boot on both machines every time she wants to send an e-mail. Kaj Haulrich. Get a netgear FWG114P router. It can route ADSL/Cable and dialup, and it has 802.11g wireless, and as an extra its also a print server. I bought one of these awhile ago, and since then I've been selling them to clients. these things rock. It also has built in SPI firewall, detects and blocks port scans and other intrusive acts, and is very cheap to boot. It would protect your internal machines more then NATing behind a linux box. rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 06:23, Lanman wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: Now that you mention it spellcheck only works randomly. That is now its working in 5 or 10 seconds it will quit, or not, and it may start again within one reply. With my spelling ability it needs to work all the time and it would be nice if it made suggestions like google did you mean. It is now disabled[As-you-type spell checking disabled.] as expected and all I was doing you can see. Its a puzzle. Wish I had some sage advice to give you Hoyt, but I haven't been using KMail for over a year now. In fact, I don't even bother with the KDE-PIM packages at all. My biggest hassle was finding an email client that cold be deployed in a mixed platform environment and also one that made easy work of importing and exporting emails to/from other email clients. So I switched to Mozilla-Thunderbird about 5 or 6 months ago and never looked back. Now, even on dual-boot systems, I have full access to the same emails and accounts regardless of which OS I'm currently running. The address book is transportable as are the junk-mail filters and junk history, and the best thing is that my spell-checker not only works 110%, but I can also save or copy it to other systems including any new words or terms that it has learned. All of that saves a lot of time and hassle for myself and my clients. Since backing up the necessary files is a piece of cake, I also come across as a genius to my clients, which helps quite a bit when invoicing them! You might want to consider switching to Thunderbird. Their site also has a quick and clean method of grabbing your emails from KMail and moving them to Thunderbird. Clever guys! Lanman I took a look at mozilla mail but didnt like it I'll check out Thunderbird I must admit kmail is too unstable, on my system, to serve well. I would prefer to address the instability but dont have a clue it may be somewhere else. Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- A man cannot be said to succeed in this life who does not satisfy one friend. .Henry David Thoreau ___ This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 10, KMail 1.6.1 and of course OpenOffice.org1.1.0 If you want to know Mandrake more intimately - look here:-) http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thursday 26 August 2004 16:35, charlie wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 06:23, Lanman wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: snip Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. Probably sacred but I haven't trashed any mail from tom and it happens here as well but not necessarly in kmail. It just happens. Now my kmail stops sending before it does goes bonkers. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 16:35, charlie wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 06:23, Lanman wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: snip Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. Probably sacred but I haven't trashed any mail from tom and it happens here as well but not necessarly in kmail. It just happens. Now my kmail stops sending before it does goes bonkers. Guys! I'm getting a nosebleed from being up on this pedestal you're putting me on! Grin! LMAO! However, just as a precaution, you might want to archive them in case they become valuable in the future? LOL! But seriously, I've been noticing quite a few more posts to this list and others regarding Kmail issues. I'm wondering if something in it was accidentally Borked when it was added to KDE-PIM and/or Kontact, because it used to be a rock-solid program before that happened. Hmmm. will have to keep an eye on that. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 17:35, charlie wrote: Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. LOL! LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:58 am, Lanman wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 16:35, charlie wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 06:23, Lanman wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: snip Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. Probably sacred but I haven't trashed any mail from tom and it happens here as well but not necessarly in kmail. It just happens. Now my kmail stops sending before it does goes bonkers. Guys! I'm getting a nosebleed from being up on this pedestal you're putting me on! Grin! LMAO! However, just as a precaution, you might want to archive them in case they become valuable in the future? LOL! But seriously, I've been noticing quite a few more posts to this list and others regarding Kmail issues. I'm wondering if something in it was accidentally Borked when it was added to KDE-PIM and/or Kontact, because it used to be a rock-solid program before that happened. Hmmm. will have to keep an eye on that. Lanman For that reason didn't install Kontact, because I like KMail the way it is and a bit longer than a year ago used Evolution. But don't like all that extra stuff with the mail program. Have it on its own where required. KMail alone, no Kontact here. But this is the first time that anything like this has happened. Like the man said when his horse died. It has never done that before. I too am watching. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- If you argue for your limitations, you get to keep them. ..Richard Bach ___ This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 10, KMail 1.6.1 and of course OpenOffice.org1.1.0 If you want to know Mandrake more intimately - look here:-) http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 00:12, Wally Brown wrote: The best way to fix all of this is to format your drive, install Linux and install wine. I am really surprise to find how many schools have gone the Windows route when there are so many free Linux distributions available and many of the office packages are as good if not better than Microsoft's versions. Wally, her most important application is a math programme by the name of Derive. she uses it extensively, and it won't run under wine (tried many times with no luck). And Crossover Office doesn't recognize it either. Win4Lin may do it, but it sposn't support XP, only win98, which I don't have (and, honestly, I don't want to throw any more money in Microsofts direction, ever). Only Bill Gates can get away with charging top dollar for a second rate product that is traditionally shipped with bugs in it and can have the attitude of, we'll get to that later. I doubt any of us would still be running Linux, let alone IBM scrapping OS/2 and taking on a Linux distribution of their own if it had half the troubles that Microsoft has had. I'm disappointed that Mandrake doesn't seem to include a copy of xkill with it's distribution, it was the best part of the old release. Aaahh finally I can give something back to you nice people: Mandrake includes xkill, naturally. It doesn't appear on the desktop as default, avoiding clutter. But if you press : CtrlAltEsc simultanously, your cursor will change into the well known skull. Move it to the offending app, and left-click. Whack. Its only deficiency is, that I can't move it to Microsoft. Thank again, friends. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Service pack 2 is garbage, I have seen numerous issues after installing it on clients machines. Wireless networks stop working, machines that just keep shutting down and restarting. Here are some solutions for you: Adaware, Spybot, cws shredder and hijack this for spyware and such. Clamwin for virus protection.0 ZoneAlarm or cheap router for firewall. Here is how you remove as much spyware as possible: 1. install and update adaware, spybot and clamwin, turn off system restore and reboot into safemode, after unplugging network adapter. 2. delete all temp files and temporary internet files and cookies. this must be done for all users who have a login on the computer. 3. run adaware, spybot and cws shredder. run clamwin. do this for each account. 4. go to trendmicros free online scan and let it remove or fix anything that is found. After all this crap you should be good to go! Contact off list if you need more help. On Aug 24, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Hi, Kaj. Good to hear from you. The thing is that if you applied XP update patches online *before* you installed Zonealarm, that is not good. Because of the weaknesses in XP it is possible for XP to get infected just by sitting on the network. M$ messenger has a security hole that allows trojans to get in unless it is updated or killed. Zonealarm is the best as far as I am concerned, I think you made a good decision there. Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! This seems like an unholy lot IF you didn't perform online updates. If you did then maybe not. What I'm thinking is that it's possible it might have arrived with the infestation. Depends on how much work you did online before you installed the firewall. Usually infestations occur when the user installs XP while online and/or peforms online service updates. (NOT a good idea) However your machine came with XP preinstalled, so After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). I had a friend yesterday purchase one of these before I could stop him. There is a spyware scanner called Ad-aware that is free and will do an excellent job of cleaning your box -- http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? Zonealarm is good 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? Ad-aware has won numerous awards and doesn't cost you a dime for the standard version. I think it's the best 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? When you do updates, the only thing I can recommend is what I do for customers. Generally I download the network version of sp1a service pack so that the XP box does not do any updating over the web. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp1/network.mspx After that, don't do any more updating. SP2 will hose your box. I did try a suggestion by Bryan Phinney that is out there on the web for free called Autopatcher, but so far I haven't been able to get an Autopatcher installation in place that's not hosed. That may be because of the particular release of XP I happen to have, I don't know. I look forward to when either I or they can get it working because Autopatcher is a good idea. Anyways, my personal advice is to use the standard sp1a service pack and then stop right there. You should also go to sourceforge and download the virus scanner darling of the Linux world -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/clamwin/ ClamAV. IMO this scanner is better than Symantec's scanner, without the bloat. It's lightweight, fast, does one thing and does it well; exactly what a virus scanner should be. Linux Journal just gave it an Editor's Choice award. Don't be confused, this is a native Linux project that's been cross-compiled for the win32 world. So yes you will see a larger Linux project
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? Many thanks and apologies in advance Kaj Haulrich. If you purchased this box with XP on it and they didn't give you XP installation discs then they usually supply backup file somewhere on the HD in a spare partition.If so it might well be worthwhile reinstalling from that. they are usually some drive image type of backup file and don't take very long to reinstall a brand new pristine condition OS as originally supplied. That's the best way to get rid of virus problems, provided that they have not spread to bios and partition tables, in which case it's a different ball game. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dale... Right now I've re-installed this XP crap on her box. I did it with the ethernet cable unplugged. that seemed to cause some issues, but we'll see. I have downloaded most of all those AV/firewall/spykillers from my linux box and burned them to CD. After that, I intend to follow your (and others) advice exactly. And, I've no intention of getting this SP2. Good heavens : and Windows should be user-friendly ??? - Wonder how my old aunt and Joe Sixpack use this OS. Thanks again Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, isn't it amazing how much easier it is to install MDK than it is to install XP? :) LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 11:49, Dale Kosan wrote: Service pack 2 is garbage, I have seen numerous issues after installing it on clients machines. Wireless networks stop working, machines that just keep shutting down and restarting. Here are some solutions for you: Adaware, Spybot, cws shredder and hijack this for spyware and such. Clamwin for virus protection.0 ZoneAlarm or cheap router for firewall. Here is how you remove as much spyware as possible: 1. install and update adaware, spybot and clamwin, turn off system restore and reboot into safemode, after unplugging network adapter. 2. delete all temp files and temporary internet files and cookies. this must be done for all users who have a login on the computer. 3. run adaware, spybot and cws shredder. run clamwin. do this for each account. 4. go to trendmicros free online scan and let it remove or fix anything that is found. After all this crap you should be good to go! Contact off list if you need more help. Thanks Dale... Right now I've re-installed this XP crap on her box. I did it with the ethernet cable unplugged. that seemed to cause some issues, but we'll see. I have downloaded most of all those AV/firewall/spykillers from my linux box and burned them to CD. After that, I intend to follow your (and others) advice exactly. And, I've no intention of getting this SP2. Good heavens : and Windows should be user-friendly ??? - Wonder how my old aunt and Joe Sixpack use this OS. Thanks again Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you purchased this box with XP on it and they didn't give you XP installation discs then they usually supply backup file somewhere on the HD in a spare partition.If so it might well be worthwhile reinstalling from that. they are usually some drive image type of backup file and don't take very long to reinstall a brand new pristine condition OS as originally supplied. That's the best way to get rid of virus problems, provided that they have not spread to bios and partition tables, in which case it's a different ball game. John On partition installation files are not reliable on M$ boxes because of the spread of cab archive infections. LX ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 05:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: Good heavens : and Windows should be user-friendly ??? - Wonder how my old aunt and Joe Sixpack use this OS. Thanks again Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, isn't it amazing how much easier it is to install MDK than it is to install XP? :) ...and then connect it to a LAN! I've now seen two machines that, with SP2 or the equivalent updates installed, will *not* find its workgroup. Got a proper IP, can ping everything, but no access to shares on the network. The 'Network Wizard' just makes things worse... And now, no Netbeui, of course, not that it should even be necessary. Oh well, I'm off to deposit my cheque for the time I spent with clients dealing with this crap! LOL! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 08:43:26 up 21 days, 8:27, 9 users, load average: 0.23, 0.19, 0.13 +++ The rich control all the businesses, the newspapers and everything else. But they can no longer control the people. -- Margarita Mendoza, street vendor, Venezuela Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 05:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: Good heavens : and Windows should be user-friendly ??? - Wonder how my old aunt and Joe Sixpack use this OS. Thanks again Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, isn't it amazing how much easier it is to install MDK than it is to install XP? :) ...and then connect it to a LAN! I've now seen two machines that, with SP2 or the equivalent updates installed, will *not* find its workgroup. Got a proper IP, can ping everything, but no access to shares on the network. The 'Network Wizard' just makes things worse... And now, no Netbeui, of course, not that it should even be necessary. Oh well, I'm off to deposit my cheque for the time I spent with clients dealing with this crap! LOL! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org Rock on, Joe. :) LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 14:38, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you purchased this box with XP on it and they didn't give you XP installation discs then they usually supply backup file somewhere on the HD in a spare partition.If so it might well be worthwhile reinstalling from that. they are usually some drive image type of backup file and don't take very long to reinstall a brand new pristine condition OS as originally supplied. That's the best way to get rid of virus problems, provided that they have not spread to bios and partition tables, in which case it's a different ball game. John On partition installation files are not reliable on M$ boxes because of the spread of cab archive infections. Well Lyvim and John... maybe I screwed things up again : When doing the re-install, I used the built-in function from HP to create the restore CDs. Could that mean I transferred all the Trojans, Worms, Viruses and Spyware to the restore disks ? Anyway, right now I've scanned the HD for viruses, and no one seems to have survived, but nevertheless, each time I've cleaned the drive with XoftSpy, Adaware and Spybot, they tell me that various numbers of malware have been quarantained and will be deleted at next reboot. Only to the effect, that next time I reboot and run the tools, I've got another s%#t-load of worms, etc... etc... I'm very tempted to give up. Not in my wildest imagination could I come up with an OS this horrible ! My daughter feels sorry for me : for my birthday present I wanted a new toilet bag, so she gave me one. You can admire it here : http://haulrich.net/Family/toiletbag.jpg She's a real cutie. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Lyvim and John... maybe I screwed things up again : When doing the re-install, I used the built-in function from HP to create the restore CDs. Could that mean I transferred all the Trojans, Worms, Viruses and Spyware to the restore disks ? Anyway, right now I've scanned the HD for viruses, and no one seems to have survived, but nevertheless, each time I've cleaned the drive with XoftSpy, Adaware and Spybot, they tell me that various numbers of malware have been quarantained and will be deleted at next reboot. Only to the effect, that next time I reboot and run the tools, I've got another s%#t-load of worms, etc... etc... I'm very tempted to give up. Not in my wildest imagination could I come up with an OS this horrible ! My daughter feels sorry for me : for my birthday present I wanted a new toilet bag, so she gave me one. You can admire it here : http://haulrich.net/Family/toiletbag.jpg She's a real cutie. Kaj Haulrich. -- Kaj, Are you actually getting new worms on reboot? Or are you just seeing spyware entries in the registry, or other true spyware entities? If you scan the restore CD's and they are virus free across several virus checkers including ClamAV, then you are probably OK with regard to virus/trojans. If on the other hand you are seeing worms after a clean and a reboot then something is badly wrong. This is all assuming that you have reinstalled. ? So did you reinstall from the restore cd's or are you still working with the original mess? The most desirable situation is to format the NTFS partition, install fresh from a factory CD and then put sp1a in place. It's always possible to get an XP cd ISO from a bud and then use your XP license number that came with your machine for branding the software. That wouldn't cost you anything. If you haven't installed from the restore CD's yet, it would be instructional to do a fresh installation using those and then do a massive scan while taking notes. Spyware on a new installation is normal for any Windows version. Worms and trojans on a new installation is not. LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 14:38, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you purchased this box with XP on it and they didn't give you XP installation discs then they usually supply backup file somewhere on the HD in a spare partition.If so it might well be worthwhile reinstalling from that. they are usually some drive image type of backup file and don't take very long to reinstall a brand new pristine condition OS as originally supplied. That's the best way to get rid of virus problems, provided that they have not spread to bios and partition tables, in which case it's a different ball game. John On partition installation files are not reliable on M$ boxes because of the spread of cab archive infections. Well Lyvim and John... maybe I screwed things up again : When doing the re-install, I used the built-in function from HP to create the restore CDs. Could that mean I transferred all the Trojans, Worms, Viruses and Spyware to the restore disks ? Anyway, right now I've scanned the HD for viruses, and no one seems to have survived, but nevertheless, each time I've cleaned the drive with XoftSpy, Adaware and Spybot, they tell me that various numbers of malware have been quarantained and will be deleted at next reboot. Only to the effect, that next time I reboot and run the tools, I've got another s%#t-load of worms, etc... etc... I'm very tempted to give up. Not in my wildest imagination could I come up with an OS this horrible ! My daughter feels sorry for me : for my birthday present I wanted a new toilet bag, so she gave me one. You can admire it here : http://haulrich.net/Family/toiletbag.jpg She's a real cutie. Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, It sounds like your system is having more problems than it should. Did I understand you correctly in assuming that your WindowsXP image is stored somewhere on the hard drive? Some PC companies put the image or cab files for WindowsXP on a hidden partition, and this sounds like what has happened to you, but in your case, the image or files have also been infected, so re-installing from the harddrive may be a waste of time. I suggest that you contact HP for a set of recovery CD's, then do a low-level or zero-fill format of the drive after you've received the CD's from HP. That is probably the only way to be 100% sure that you've got a clean install. Then you should try installing your extra software from a CD. Another option is to disconnect your current hard drive, get another hard drive, and install Windows98 or another copy of WindowsXP on that temporary drive, then the service packs, anti-virus application AND it's updates. Once that's all done, reconnect your old drive as a slave drive and scan clean it thoroughly. Use two or three different anti-virus and spyware programs to make sure that it's totally clean. While you're doing this, make sure your PC is not connected to any other PC, whether its via firewire, Lan, or wireless! Make sure you disconnect the PC from any switch or router, and even your from Internet modem. Once your scan is complete, reconnect the main drive as your primary drive, and start your install from scratch. If that doesn't work, you will need those recovery CD's from HP in order to solve this problem. HTH lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 14:38, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you purchased this box with XP on it and they didn't give you XP installation discs then they usually supply backup file somewhere on the HD in a spare partition.If so it might well be worthwhile reinstalling from that. they are usually some drive image type of backup file and don't take very long to reinstall a brand new pristine condition OS as originally supplied. That's the best way to get rid of virus problems, provided that they have not spread to bios and partition tables, in which case it's a different ball game. John On partition installation files are not reliable on M$ boxes because of the spread of cab archive infections. Well Lyvim and John... maybe I screwed things up again : When doing the re-install, I used the built-in function from HP to create the restore CDs. Could that mean I transferred all the Trojans, Worms, Viruses and Spyware to the restore disks ? No. Anyway, right now I've scanned the HD for viruses, and no one seems to have survived, but nevertheless, each time I've cleaned the drive with XoftSpy, Adaware and Spybot, they tell me that various numbers of malware have been quarantained and will be deleted at next reboot. Only to the effect, that next time I reboot and run the tools, I've got another s%#t-load of worms, etc... etc... I'm very tempted to give up. Not in my wildest imagination could I come up with an OS this horrible ! My daughter feels sorry for me : for my birthday present I wanted a new toilet bag, so she gave me one. You can admire it here : http://haulrich.net/Family/toiletbag.jpg A really fetching little number would go well in any art gallery ! Title : Kaj's bagged her in blue in the cubist style. She's a real cutie. Kaj Haulrich. All I can say Is that I don't have much faith in any of these virus/tojan detecters programmes, because , for one thing they are always behind the curve, of that little tick fooling round in the basement of some loanly housing estate, or the mail address stripper who wants your addressbook, and knows how to get it. I recommend a good firewall, otherwise if you suspect an infection, it's a reinstall for me. If the infection has damaged bios and partition table then you have much more work to do. So it's essential to have good restore utilities ready and waiting. I can restore a windblows in 20 min. LLF HD and bios reinstall about another hour or so, depending on how efficiently you want to wipe the HD. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Well Lyvim and John... maybe I screwed things up again : When doing the re-install, I used the built-in function from HP to create the restore CDs. Could that mean I transferred all the Trojans, Worms, Viruses and Spyware to the restore disks ? If you created restore cd's while infected, this will ofcourse result in a full restore including infected system files. You might be able to deinfect your XP box with a Preinstalled Environment CD like Super ERD or Super WinPE: this description: http://l3v3l4mz.tripod.com/ gives you some idea of what you can do with Super WinPE, but this Super WinPE can only be downloaded from p2p networks. It gives you the opportunity to scan your infected system for virusses and spyware and possibly fix system-files when corrupted. Regards. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
John Richard Smith wrote: My daughter feels sorry for me : for my birthday present I wanted a new toilet bag, so she gave me one. You can admire it here : http://haulrich.net/Family/toiletbag.jpg A really fetching little number would go well in any art gallery ! Title : Kaj's bagged her in blue in the cubist style. Fetchy indeed! I can restore a windblows in 20 min. LLF HD and bios reinstall about another hour or so, depending on how efficiently you want to wipe the HD. If you do enough trouble, you can remove any virus within 5 minutes, if you have more, you can fix it in 15 minutes. -First thing to do is enable your firewall. -Second thing to do is pop up your taskmanager and click the processes tab. Now i assume the general reader is an average consumer who cannot distinguish all real windows system-files from fake process files so just write down any current running proces exactly as stated in that list. Some viruses cloak themselves as system files that look like originals (e.g. exp1orer.exe-notice the 'l' is replaced for the number '1') these are very tricky names that make it hard to see it at first. -Pull all the written proces-files one by one through google and see if any of the McaFee or Symantec sites pop up with viral info-like pages regarding that file. If there are only pages describing a microsoft system-file process, it's not a virus. In the case you see pages from McAfee, Symantec or any other anti-virus developer popping up, you'll likely have a virus. On the Symantec site you can download a free removal tool for the virus. Beware, some commercial anti-spyware or anti-virus developers have sites up where common windows system files are being made suspicious and they attempt to make you buy their product so you can figure out if this is true. Only trust the real names regarding antivirus info. If it is a real virus, you won't find info about microsoft system files regarding your search phrase. A free tool you can use to remove spy-ware is Ad-Aware (http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/), you can freely download daily updates through the applications internal update process. Rules to apply before attaching an XP-box to the internet: Enabling the default firewall on your dialup adapter in Windows XP is the first thing that can save many headaches. Avoid using Outlook (Express) and Internet Explorer is the other. If the firewall is enabled, dialin to your ISP and go to the windows update site and download all critical security patches. (no service packs, just the security patches) Then install antivirus and anti-spy-ware software. Update both system- and anti-annoy-software on regular basis. This keeps your box pretty safe from most annoy-ware (as nothing more than that, is what most viruses are anyway) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 19:22, Lanman wrote: replies within It sounds like your system is having more problems than it should. Did I understand you correctly in assuming that your WindowsXP image is stored somewhere on the hard drive? Some PC companies put the image or cab files for WindowsXP on a hidden partition, and this sounds like what has happened to you, but in your case, the image or files have also been infected, so re-installing from the harddrive may be a waste of time. Correct. The restore thingy seemed to be on another partition, in Windownese called D:\ - I happen to know that, because naturally I tried to defrag that partition in order to shrink it and make some room for a real OS to dual boot. But the system told me, that if I touched that partition, I wouldn't be able to restore Windows. So I didn't. Following Lyvim and others advice I used ClamAv to scan that partition as well as my home-created CD's. And, lo and behold : No viruses. But you know what ? - When scanning those same media with XoftSpy and SpyBot what pops up : 8 trojans labelled as medium threats, among them SAHAgent. That last beast was reported by ALL scanners to be removed, but showed up every time I re-scanned. Now, I tried the hard way, as suggested : I edited the registry by hand. Mysteriosly, that didn't bork the system, but the Spyware was there, nevertheless. I suggest that you contact HP for a set of recovery CD's, then do a low-level or zero-fill format of the drive after you've received the CD's from HP. That is probably the only way to be 100% sure that you've got a clean install. Then you should try installing your extra software from a CD. Another option is to disconnect your current hard drive, get another hard drive, and install Windows98 or another copy of WindowsXP on that temporary drive, then the service packs, anti-virus application AND it's updates. Once that's all done, reconnect your old drive as a slave drive and scan clean it thoroughly. Use two or three different anti-virus and spyware programs to make sure that it's totally clean. While you're doing this, make sure your PC is not connected to any other PC, whether its via firewire, Lan, or wireless! Make sure you disconnect the PC from any switch or router, and even your from Internet modem. Once your scan is complete, reconnect the main drive as your primary drive, and start your install from scratch. If that doesn't work, you will need those recovery CD's from HP in order to solve this problem. HTH lanman Lanman, I have E-mailed HP Denmark for just that. It is now obvious, that the whole PC is severely infected, with no available cure at hand. Please read my next post, and thanks a lot Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 18:55, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: If on the other hand you are seeing worms after a clean and a reboot then something is badly wrong. This is all assuming that you have reinstalled. ? So did you reinstall from the restore cd's or are you still working with the original mess? Re-installed from the restore CD's, created on first boot-up. Now, friends.. I initiated this thread with an apology, and I want to emphasize this apology right now : I feel I have been a annoyance to you all, bringing this highly Off-Topic matter up on an otherwise clean and decent list. But I am extremely grateful to all of you. You have brought me insight into an utterly obscure an inferior world of computing. My daughters PC and I have agreed on an armstice : It will remain disconnected from all and everything until I receive new CD's from HP. Then - maybe - I will try again, now armed with all your advice and one CD full of antispyware/antivirus/antiworm/firewall weapons downloaded and burned via Linux. And NO networking until at least 7 scans reveils NO malware whatsoever. And, if after 5 minutes online it shows the slightest sign of infection : goodbye to networking for good. I can say this with a clean conscience : my daughter need this crap for one thing, and one thing only : the math application by Texas Instruments, called Derive. She can use her box for that. And I will install OpenOffice on it. Then she can use it as she wants. She agreed to do all her networking (which is mostly e-mail and surfing) from her account on my Mandrake box. Failsafe - don't you think ? So.. Let us bring this thread to an unhappy conclusion : Either I am the dumbest person who ever powered up a PC - or Microsoft should be expelled from the Internet until they come up with a real operating system. Thank you all. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 16:08, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2004 18:55, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Either I am the dumbest person who ever powered up a PC - or Microsoft should be expelled from the Internet until they come up with a real operating system. Thank you all. Kaj Haulrich. Expell Mirosoft from everything. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thursday 26 August 2004 00:50, Lanman wrote: snip I don't think anyone here would mind if the occasional Microsoft question popped up now and then, if only to show how smart we all are! /snip Actually, no one flamed me for this thread. It is a GREAT list. snip Take heart Kaj! In a few years, your daughter will finish school and probably take her PC with her when she moves out on her own! By then, the application she needs will either be ported to Linux or irrelevant! /snip My daughter is now 14 years old. Since she was 8 or maybe 9 years old she has been using Linux. Surfing for Donald Duck, Winnie the Pooh, playing Tuxracer, etc... etc... She never knew anything about Viruses, Worms, Trojans, Spyware, Windows or other forms of cybercrime - until now. When her math teacher told her, that she had to run Derive , she thought that was allright. But Derive doesn't run on Linux. She asked me what to do. I realize that convincing Texas Instruments to release an OSS version of Derive is unrealistic, so I purchased this MS-box. You all know the rest. But when it comes to surfing for music, cinema-tickets, news etc she outbeats me, hands down. On Linux. The future is bright. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: medium threats, among them SAHAgent. That last beast was reported by ALL scanners to be removed, but showed up every time I re-scanned. How about turning of system-restore service? There are few virusscanners capable of removing viruses from the System Volume Information folder but most are not. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? Many thanks and apologies in advance Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tuesday 24 August 2004 09:33 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? Many thanks and apologies in advance Kaj Haulrich. Kaj: I know nothing about windows. But while I had XP installed it came with Norton. While running norton I never was infected with anything. But while installing XP the last thing I did was install norton and while downloading the database that was when I got all kinds of infection once the database was installed it was AOK. They do have on their website removers for most infections, IIRC you have to be a paid up member to get them ($15 or so). -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tuesday 24 August 2004 10:33 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? Zonealarm is free for personal use and is supposed to be as good as personal firewall solutions go. Keep in mind that trojans, worms and the like often shut those off from the inside, thus they are limited by nature in protecting your system. You would be much better off to get a good standalone router to put between that and the XP box. Better yet, put a Linux box between the net and the XP box. 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? Spybot Search Destroy, Adaware, and couple that with a good antivirus package. Grisoft's AVG Anti-Virus System: AVG passed Virus Bulletin's June 2003 VB100 Windows XP test (the most recent available at press time) after failing previous attempts; it also passed ICSA's June 2003 test. AVG includes memory-resident scanners, plus e-mail scanners for Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, and Exchange client. Alwil's Avast 4 Home Edition: Avast likewise passed both the VB100 and ICSA tests, and it offers memory-resident scanning. But Avast surpasses AVG by scanning both Outlook and standard Internet (POP3/SMTP) mail, making it a good choice if you use a non-Microsoft mail client. Amazingly, Alwil also offers support via e-mail for its free product. H+BEDV Datentechnik's AntiVir Personal Edition: This utility doesn't appear in Virus Bulletin's June 2003 tests; it did, however, pass ICSA's June 2003 tests. AntiVir includes a memory-resident scanner, but it lacks e-mail scanning (it watches only file read and write operations and looks for suspicious macros). You can use AntiVir's separate scheduler program to launch scheduled hard-disk scans, and virus-signature and program updates; but how to perform these tasks (or whether they're possible) is far from obvious. Softwin's BitDefender Free Edition Version 7: BitDefender Free Edition does not appear in the VB100 and ICSA test results, but the Standard Edition passes both tests using the same scanning engine as the free version. Like the other free AV tools, BitDefender employs a memory-resident scanner and is set to download updates automatically. But like AntiVir Personal Edition, it doesn't scan e-mail for viruses during send and receive operations. -Courtesy PC World. 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? I wouldn't count on SP2 to protect your system. From my reading, it is not really adding anything close to good security for that OS. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? Many thanks and apologies in advance Kaj Haulrich. SP2 is already out for XP home.. its in windows update. but that won't really help you that much on this box. There is no one tool I know of that will catch all trojans and worms and stuff. Spybot search and destroy: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/home/index.html Does a pretty good job. (and its free open source) Next, get the free adaware. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ That will find some that spybot sd missed. That will do allot to solve your spyware woes. There is nothing wrong with Zonealarm, but before you spend much time online, go to grc.com or scan.sygate.com and make sure the whole machine is stealthed. To hunt down the virus/worm problems, you should install Clamwin: http://www.clamwin.com/ An open source antivirus app, and for abit of extra protection, go and get yourself a copy of the free AVG antivirus: http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/ The two antivirus apps are small and fast, so running two of them won't hurt. (and clamwin might catch some that AVG won't, or vice versa.) That should do the trick, and all for the princely sum of 0 dollars. -- rgds Franki http://htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 24 August 2004 09:33 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? Many thanks and apologies in advance Kaj Haulrich. Kaj: I know nothing about windows. But while I had XP installed it came with Norton. While running norton I never was infected with anything. But while installing XP the last thing I did was install norton and while downloading the database that was when I got all kinds of infection once the database was installed it was AOK. They do have on their website removers for most infections, IIRC you have to be a paid up member to get them ($15 or so). Numerous tests have shown that Nortons is one of the slower scanners with a high CPU and memory footprint. It isn't any more effective then any of the others, and its usually more expensive. I look after allot of windows clients, and I've managed to keep them all virus free, and didn't use Nortons on any of them. (though I might if I want to convince them to upgrade their PC's.) -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- frankieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: downloading the database that was when I got all kinds of infection once the database was installed it was AOK. They do have on their website removers for most infections, IIRC you have to be a paid up member to get them ($15 or so). Numerous tests have shown that Nortons is one of the slower scanners with a high CPU and memory footprint. It isn't any more effective then any of the others, and its usually more expensive. Right on, Franki. Same experience here. In fact I've used ClamAV to clean up boxes that hsd been treated to Symantec. In nearly every case I've found viruses/trojans that Symantec left behind. I look after allot of windows clients, While subtlely suggesting Linux solutions, I bet. ;) and I've managed to keep them all virus free, and didn't use Nortons on any of them. (though I might if I want to convince them to upgrade their PC's.) You devil. ;) -- rgds Franki LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:13:05PM +0800, frankieh wrote: Kaj Haulrich wrote: Dear list... ... Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Spybot search and destroy: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/home/index.html Does a pretty good job. (and its free open source) Just to clarify, it's free as in beer but not as in speech--binary only download, no access to source. Some of the other apps you mention might be in the same category but I don't know--just wanted to point out that there are 2 kinds of free. In Windows it's much harder to find free (both kinds) of software. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Hi, Kaj. Good to hear from you. The thing is that if you applied XP update patches online *before* you installed Zonealarm, that is not good. Because of the weaknesses in XP it is possible for XP to get infected just by sitting on the network. M$ messenger has a security hole that allows trojans to get in unless it is updated or killed. Zonealarm is the best as far as I am concerned, I think you made a good decision there. Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! This seems like an unholy lot IF you didn't perform online updates. If you did then maybe not. What I'm thinking is that it's possible it might have arrived with the infestation. Depends on how much work you did online before you installed the firewall. Usually infestations occur when the user installs XP while online and/or peforms online service updates. (NOT a good idea) However your machine came with XP preinstalled, so After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). I had a friend yesterday purchase one of these before I could stop him. There is a spyware scanner called Ad-aware that is free and will do an excellent job of cleaning your box -- http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? Zonealarm is good 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? Ad-aware has won numerous awards and doesn't cost you a dime for the standard version. I think it's the best 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? When you do updates, the only thing I can recommend is what I do for customers. Generally I download the network version of sp1a service pack so that the XP box does not do any updating over the web. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp1/network.mspx After that, don't do any more updating. SP2 will hose your box. I did try a suggestion by Bryan Phinney that is out there on the web for free called Autopatcher, but so far I haven't been able to get an Autopatcher installation in place that's not hosed. That may be because of the particular release of XP I happen to have, I don't know. I look forward to when either I or they can get it working because Autopatcher is a good idea. Anyways, my personal advice is to use the standard sp1a service pack and then stop right there. You should also go to sourceforge and download the virus scanner darling of the Linux world -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/clamwin/ ClamAV. IMO this scanner is better than Symantec's scanner, without the bloat. It's lightweight, fast, does one thing and does it well; exactly what a virus scanner should be. Linux Journal just gave it an Editor's Choice award. Don't be confused, this is a native Linux project that's been cross-compiled for the win32 world. So yes you will see a larger Linux project entry for ClamAV on Sourceforge. Look forward to hearing how it goes -- take care LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? Many thanks and apologies in advance Kaj Haulrich. Kaj; There's a firewall installed in WindowsXP. Look at the properties for your network card and click the advanced tab. Hopefully, that will help. Otherwise, try the free one at http://www.sygate.com. For spyware, try Ad-Aware which can be found at ; http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ , and make sure you also grab and install Reghance at the same site. Do the anti-spyware updates, and go thru the configuration menu to make sure that reghance gets attached to Ad-Aware. SP2 is a major POS. I suppose you can try it, but the firewall isn't much better than the one that is already in WindowsXP, and SP2 can also break some existing software. Install and use at your own risk! Install SP1 ( I strongly suggest you grab the download version in case you ever need to re-install it because Microsoft will be deleting it from their site soon!), without any other updates at all, then DirectX 9. That's all. Then install Mozilla-Firefox, block pop-ups in it, and set your system to deny all cookies. Under tools in Firefox, you can allow cookies for a specific site when you need to with a single click. Link for DirectX 9 : Please copy/paste the entire link! http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9226A611-62FE- 4F61-ABA1-914185249413displaylang=en Use this link for Service Pack 1 if it's not already installed on your system, but do it quickly because Microsoft is already saying that it is no longer available! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp1/network.mspx Once SP1 is installed, remove Internet Explorer (it's OK, it'll just remove any mentions to it on the desktop and in menu's. You can still access it when you absolutely need to by going to StartRuniexplore.exe. You should only need it when doing MS updates.). While you're at it, un-install Outlook Express and MSN Messenger. replace those with Mozilla-Thunderbird, and Trillian Messenger instead. You can find Trillian at http://www.trillian.cc/ , and it has NO spyware or Adware at all. handles ALL IM networks although Trillian has been battling with AOL for the last few weeks. In Windows XP, go to My Computer and right-click the icon. Click on Manage. Once you're in the new panel, go to Services and turn off the service called Messenger which only allows a lot of pop-ups to appear on your screen due to a vulnerability in Windows. Return to the desktop, right-click on My Computer again, and this time, click on properties. Turn off Automatic Updates, and Error Reporting in the various panels or tabs of that applet. Return to the Manage and Services sections I mentioned above, and turn off Automatic Updates, and Remote Access. make sure you set them to disabled in the properties section of each one. It's a lot, but that should help lock down your daughters system. If you need more help, contact me Off-List. HTH Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tuesday 24 August 2004 10:16 am, frankieh wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 24 August 2004 09:33 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? Many thanks and apologies in advance Kaj Haulrich. Kaj: I know nothing about windows. But while I had XP installed it came with Norton. While running norton I never was infected with anything. But while installing XP the last thing I did was install norton and while downloading the database that was when I got all kinds of infection once the database was installed it was AOK. They do have on their website removers for most infections, IIRC you have to be a paid up member to get them ($15 or so). Numerous tests have shown that Nortons is one of the slower scanners with a high CPU and memory footprint. It isn't any more effective then any of the others, and its usually more expensive. I look after allot of windows clients, and I've managed to keep them all virus free, and didn't use Nortons on any of them. (though I might if I want to convince them to upgrade their PC's.) Maybe thats why it came with the system. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
