Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Margot wrote: Nooo! I think we'd better transfer any further 'goat' discussion to the OT list... Yup, before you get everybody's goat :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 00:02, Julie Sloan wrote: Paul wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. When you refer to '/' , is that where /mnt is now, and is that where I'd access other partitions from, once I have them? Windows doesn't like being moved - you'll need to backup your data and re-install. sigh baby steps... one at a time... The '/' Tom mentions refers (here) to the partitioning - when you are asked about mount points when you install he suggests (at least) two partitions '/' and '/home'. Under / you will probably see other directories, including /mnt. and /usr and /bin or am I still confused? You can, if you wish, have separate partitions for /usr /bin, or they can both (and others) come under / I have just two partitions for linux /home and /. I have a second, smaller disk with windows on - this also has two partitions (windows data). If you format the 80G into a FAT32 partition, both linux and XP could read and write to it. What about a ReiserFS? Or is that something else, not a type of partition as I thought? ResierFS is a file system, not a partition - like the windows NTFS, FAT32. You can choose which file-system your linux partitions use ReiserFS, Ext3, etc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 Jan 2005 15:52, Paul wrote: ResierFS is a file system, not a partition - like the windows NTFS, FAT32. You can choose which file-system your linux partitions use ReiserFS, Ext3, etc To some extent the choice of file system is a personal preference, *except* - do keep /boot, if it is a separate partition, as etx2 or ext3 (which is ext2 with a journal added). Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB865bkFAvMr/nNX8RAnsoAJ0S0j4SQ4MvuGR++dhhcw1pbFZaOACfbTk8 fwR7WcD6wDWvMli2Nbst0FY= =3tGS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Saturday 22 January 2005 04:38 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote: I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie. I hope I've learned a little bit in six months?? But a lot of what you say from here on looks like alphabet soup on the first pass :) So I'll read it again, slower... If most of us admitted it, we had to, or thought it wise to re-install linux about a dozen times in our first six months ;) In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. Why one real big /stor dir? User needs and preference. I have 4 stor partitions. I often encounter running out of space on one, when there's room on others. Use of dirs (folders) to separate movies, sound, pictures, essential backups, and misc would'a been more efficient on one humongous size drive. Wouldn't it be better to have new downloads (from unknown sources; I don't mean rpms) go to a separate partition to isolate them just in case, and to have certain types of large files, for instance MP3s, default to their own space? Choice of partitions and file systems is a matter of preference and user experience. Basically for partitions, / this is the root directory (not to be confused with 'root' user). It's the top level mount point, that all other directories come under. Even if they are on separate partitions. Everything on Linux is a file, partitions are put on mount points. To illustrate, type 'l /*' in a console and scroll up. Even better, type 'tree /less' (you'll probly need to 'urpmi tree' first) /home it's a good idea to have this on it's own partition, mostly for reasons you've already discovered. It can be a bad idea when a small HDD (13gig) is used for Linux tho. IE, inefficient use of limited disk space. When I first began with linux it was on a 256mb HDD. I used one big 'ol / and a swap file. / is the only absolutely mandatory partition /swap almost imperative, altho a swap file can be used instead (as above). General advice is to make it the same size as installed ram, if that is at least 512mb. For smaller amounts of ram, double the size of the /swap partition, eg ram=128, make swap at least 256. So for ram=256, /swap should be 512. MOF, IMO, 512 is about the minimum. It's what I have now, an next install I'm gonna double it. For laptops that suspend to ram, /swap should always be at least 30% more than installed ram, if not double. /boot while this preference is outdated, IMO it's still a good idea to put /boot on a separate partition. Use of ext3 is an added precaution when other partitions use a journalled filesystem. IIRC, it's still mandatory for XFS. Further separate partitioning is mostly for production servers and for their unique security concerns. When attempted by newbies it can cause files that are needed to boot, to not be available during init. Sort'a fatal ; File systems; Journalled is the way to go. Your choice but I've never had any problems with ReiserFS. Till now ... 2.6.10 kernels, and maybe newer ones have some issues with reiser, particularly on sata HDD's. I expect it to be cleared up tho. If this concerns you, use ext3. It's nothin but the old reliable ext2 Linux has used forever, with journalling capability tacked on. It's sort'a slow and clumsy tho. As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'. M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can be transferred to Linux. Yes it can - is how I got a modem driver when linux wasn't recognizing my conexant last summer. D/L'ed it into WinXP then cp'd it into Mandrake. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. Thanks for the suggestions. I have 200G total on two drives, but 80 of that has Win$ux spread all over it. If I make a, say, 20G partition on the 120G drive, (where my crippled Mandrake 10.0 is now) then move (?) the 4G of WinXP OS into it, could I reformat that 80G into storage space? The thought of it is pretty daunting; I am very new to this and know
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 16:32, Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: Julie Sloan lied: [sorry - anything further I'll post to the OT list] Down the mighty Mississip, into the Gulf, through the Panama Canal, head directly SSW and don't stop till you smack into Windang Island. Else, ship the goats to Knott County, KY and a mate of mine will git'em ready and ship'em over. Huh? I could WALK 'em to Knott county from here. J If you live THAT close to Knott County, then maybe we can arrange for Ronald Hall to come and fix ya up. He lives down yonder towards the bad side of the county border. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Tehee quod she, and clapte the wyndow to. -- Geoffrey Chaucer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Julie Sloan wrote: BTW I've located my mailboxes - all with weird names but oh well, I can get the data out of them now - - but where is my KMail addresbook? All I've found so far is recently used addresses, which is nicely more than I had a few hours ago but still not the entire mailing list, not to mention the individual information I had stashed on each card. Julie, I suggest you start new threads for each new problem you encounter - I can't help with Kmail addressbook as I've never used Kmail, and I don't even use KDE - but if you start a thread marked lost Kmail addressbook I'm sure that someone here will be able to help you find it. -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-20mdk ~~~ The two most common things in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 04:35, Julie Sloan wrote: There should be a text file with that info in your ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/addressbook or something like that I don't use kmail. Open it in a terminal and you should have your info. thank you Mike, but no, no addrbook in that directory, or any nearby. Found all my mail in ~/.Mail, and recently used addresses somewhere...?but no main addressbook. The folder is called kabc and the file is probably std.vcf Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB8hwgkFAvMr/nNX8RAhR+AJkBVjcVury41tOZhRknHzUpxE1FFACaAnye gxgVnaKbTyYdmzLU8/Orxtk= =+5Ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Anne Wilson wrote: The folder is called kabc and the file is probably std.vcf Anne Julie; Margot asked me to drop in and lend a hand if possible. I've had a quick look at the thread in order to catch up. If I understand things clearly, you were trying to do a 10.0 update, but accidentally did an update using 10.1 sources and now several things are broken. If you're trying to salvage your address book, then Anne is 100% right about the name of the folder and the file (I just finished migrating a corporate client (170 users) over to mozilla-thunderbird a few days ago). Before going any further, I strongly advise that you copy that std.vcf file to a floppy diskette or storage partition on your system. If, in the meantime, you have managed to install rpmdrake, you should be able to call it from a terminal. I wasn't able to see if you have lost your desktop or not, and whether or not you still have other desktops installed. In the meantime, you might want to seriously consider Stephen's advice since you'll never know for sure whether your system will be stable now or not, and if it starts acting up, you also won't know if it's due to this or something else, making any possible fixes very hard to implement. If you have an extra hard drive which can be connected to this computer, or if there's a partition on this system which can be used for storage, try copying your important data there until the system is re-installed. Don't forget to save your .Mail folder as well as your std.vcf file, documents and any other media or data you'd like to save. If you need help setting up a second hard drive on this PC, just holler back to the list or to me off-list. In that case, any relevant info concerning your hard drive(s), the partitions and their sizes and names (a.k.a. mount-points), would be very helpful. As far as the urpmi sources are concerned, try starting with main, updates, plf and contrib sources, skipping the jpackage source for the time being. Hope that helps. I'll be around all day if you need help and it looks like you and I are in the same timezone (Eastern), so that should make it a bit easier. -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 12:41, Lanman wrote: Don't forget to save your .Mail folder as well as your std.vcf file, documents and any other media or data you'd like to save. If you need help setting up a second hard drive on this PC, just holler back to the list or to me off-list. In that case, any relevant info concerning your hard drive(s), the partitions and their sizes and names (a.k.a. mount-points), would be very helpful. Just a small addition - if you have mail from an older release (and I think that includes 10.0) you may have both a Mail folder and a .Mail folder. Mail used to be stored in Mail, but for some reason Mandrake's packagers decided to change that to .Mail. If that's so and you have any mail since the 10.1 debacle, you will probably need to save both of them. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB8kt/kFAvMr/nNX8RAvqXAJ4jKjt/ZWl87N40SXRfFfjPBbVbiwCfd7A0 LJQRNAIXLpVKZv/A66Qd5K8= =33ii -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 12:41, Lanman wrote: Don't forget to save your .Mail folder as well as your std.vcf file, documents and any other media or data you'd like to save. If you need help setting up a second hard drive on this PC, just holler back to the list or to me off-list. In that case, any relevant info concerning your hard drive(s), the partitions and their sizes and names (a.k.a. mount-points), would be very helpful. Just a small addition - if you have mail from an older release (and I think that includes 10.0) you may have both a Mail folder and a .Mail folder. Mail used to be stored in Mail, but for some reason Mandrake's packagers decided to change that to .Mail. If that's so and you have any mail since the 10.1 debacle, you will probably need to save both of them. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Yeah! What she said! Grin! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Friday 21 January 2005 04:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? It's not 1088 'additional' mb. MOF, it's not even 1088 mb's. 1088 is the installed diskspace required, but since you're updating (replacing) packages, the the difference in disk space used is minimal. Also, 1088 represents the uncompressed size of the packages. Since the rpm's are compressed, your d/l would be roughly 40% of 1088, or 400 to 450 mb's. That's still way too much for dialup. I suggest you, beg borrow, or steal some 10.1 CD's, or re-install 10.0, saving /home if you can. If /home's not on a separate partition now, and you have enough diskspace on a storage partition, just copy your entire /home directory to that partition. Then copy it back in after a re-install of 10.0, overwriting the install /home. This probly isn't practically feasible if your storage area is any type of Windoze file system. It's possible, but much more complicated. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 15:38, Julie Sloan wrote: when I run rpmdrake I get this: generous snip IF it were me, at this stage, I would backup what I could, and format the HD and start fresh. I came to the same conclusion after sleeping on it. Thankfully K3b still works! thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 04:35, Julie Sloan wrote: There should be a text file with that info in your ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/addressbook or something like that I don't use kmail. Open it in a terminal and you should have your info. thank you Mike, but no, no addrbook in that directory, or any nearby. Found all my mail in ~/.Mail, and recently used addresses somewhere...?but no main addressbook. The folder is called kabc and the file is probably std.vcf Anne Hi Anne, ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc That's it; thank you!!! Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Margot wrote: Julie, I suggest you start new threads for each new problem you encounter - I can't help with Kmail addressbook as I've never used Kmail, and I don't even use KDE - but if you start a thread marked lost Kmail addressbook I'm sure that someone here will be able to help you find it. LOL it seems almost too late to do that now, but I will definitely keep this in mind in the future. thanks Margot, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Lanman wrote: Julie; Margot asked me to drop in and lend a hand if possible. I've had a quick look at the thread in order to catch up. If I understand things clearly, you were trying to do a 10.0 update, but accidentally did an update using 10.1 sources and now several things are broken. Hi Lanman; yes, that's it in a nutshell. If you're trying to salvage your address book, then Anne is 100% right got it, salvaged it :) In the meantime, you might want to seriously consider Stephen's advice Gonna start from scratch. I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks... As far as the urpmi sources are concerned, try starting with main, updates, plf and contrib sources, skipping the jpackage source for the time being. ok Hope that helps. I'll be around all day if you need help and it looks like you and I are in the same timezone (Eastern), so that should make it a bit easier. it does; thanks a lot. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 12:41, Lanman wrote: Don't forget to save your .Mail folder as well as your std.vcf file, documents and any other media or data you'd like to save. If you need help setting up a second hard drive on this PC, just holler back to the list or to me off-list. In that case, any relevant info concerning your hard drive(s), the partitions and their sizes and names (a.k.a. mount-points), would be very helpful. Just a small addition - if you have mail from an older release (and I think that includes 10.0) you may have both a Mail folder and a .Mail folder. Mail used to be stored in Mail, but for some reason Mandrake's packagers decided to change that to .Mail. If that's so and you have any mail since the 10.1 debacle, you will probably need to save both of them. Anne No, since the debacle I've been using MozillaMail. I have a little stored in XimianEvolution I'd like to back up also, and oops, guess I ought to be leaving messages on the server now... thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 04:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? It's not 1088 'additional' mb. MOF, it's not even 1088 mb's. 1088 is the installed diskspace required, but since you're updating (replacing) packages, the the difference in disk space used is minimal. Also, 1088 represents the uncompressed size of the packages. Since the rpm's are compressed, your d/l would be roughly 40% of 1088, or 400 to 450 mb's. Aha, okay. My patient partner sat by while I tied up the phone line for about 90Mb yesterday That's still way too much for dialup. Yes it is. :) If /home's not on a separate partition now, and you have enough diskspace on a storage partition, just copy your entire /home directory to that partition. Then copy it back in after a re-install of 10.0, overwriting the install /home. This probly isn't practically feasible if your storage area is any type of Windoze file system. It's possible, but much more complicated. I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Julie Sloan wrote: I came to the same conclusion after sleeping on it. Thankfully K3b still works! Ouch! You slept on your hard drive? Didn't that hurt? Grin! thanks, Julie -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's advice Gonna start from scratch. I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks... I think you've made the right decision g Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB8o7hkFAvMr/nNX8RAhDVAJ9XOqFPcjU5we64um3Jd8iYSsh6kwCeOKzt +4IpZyvOighLXgjKJMfblfY= =k0ac -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:32, Julie Sloan wrote: I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. Writing to an ntfs partition is still not 100% safe, so better not attempted. Instead, make a fat32 partition big enough to hold any data that you might want to share between apps. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB8o9nkFAvMr/nNX8RAiGrAJsFVU8WmPa2SZiHBIGZ1cCDidAgPwCgmFS5 wpTpokJxuTxFGbEjs1/b2QU= =7zpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's advice Gonna start from scratch. I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks... I think you've made the right decision g Anne Well, this way I may tear out less of my hair ;) thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 06:35, Julie Sloan wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's advice Gonna start from scratch. I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks... I think you've made the right decision g Anne Well, this way I may tear out less of my hair ;) thanks, Julie Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men. Ask Margot. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- You will have domestic happiness and faithful friends. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Well, after sleeping on the harddrive I am confusing the two ;) Stephen Kühn wrote: Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men. Ask Margot. -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:38, Julie Sloan wrote: Well, after sleeping on the harddrive I am confusing the two ;) Stephen Kühn wrote: Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men. Ask Margot. Difference between a hard drive and a man: * Hard drives retain data (memory) and only forget when you format them. Men, on the other hand, do not retain data (memory) at their discretion and whimsy, and will always remember things at the worst possible moment. * Hard drives do not talk back to you or argue * Hard drives do not watch sports and drink beer. * Hard drives turn on when you want them turned on. Men turn on at the worst possible moments. * Hard drives do not snore. * Hard drives do not purchase expensive sports cars * Hard drives do not chase younger women when they reach the middle of their life spans * Hard drives are easily maintained. Men require far too much maintenance. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Am I accompanied by a PARENT or GUARDIAN? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Stephen Kühn wrote: Difference between a hard drive and a man:snip Thanks for the explanation! BTW, sorry for my earlier top-posting, I'd forgotten it is preferable to bottom-post on this list? Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:38, Julie Sloan wrote: Well, after sleeping on the harddrive I am confusing the two ;) Stephen Kühn wrote: Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men. Ask Margot. Difference between a hard drive and a man: * Hard drives retain data (memory) and only forget when you format them. Men, on the other hand, do not retain data (memory) at their discretion and whimsy, and will always remember things at the worst possible moment. * Hard drives do not talk back to you or argue * Hard drives do not watch sports and drink beer. * Hard drives turn on when you want them turned on. Men turn on at the worst possible moments. * Hard drives do not snore. * Hard drives do not purchase expensive sports cars * Hard drives do not chase younger women when they reach the middle of their life spans * Hard drives are easily maintained. Men require far too much maintenance. -- stephen kuhn Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my support contracts instead! Grin! Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag! snicker -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: Difference between a hard drive and a man:snip Thanks for the explanation! BTW, sorry for my earlier top-posting, I'd forgotten it is preferable to bottom-post on this list? Julie Kinda like the difference between top-feeding and bottom-feeding, but way different! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:59, Lanman wrote: Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my support contracts instead! Grin! Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag! snicker It's Sunday, so since I ain't goin to church, I reckon I should be honest for the day (ONLY for the day, mind you). -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- They don't call me Colonel Homer because I'm some dumb-ass army guy. -- Homer Simpson Colonel Homer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:54, Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: Difference between a hard drive and a man:snip Thanks for the explanation! BTW, sorry for my earlier top-posting, I'd forgotten it is preferable to bottom-post on this list? Julie It's quite alright. On THIS list, women are allowed to choose top or bottom. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- The Roman Rule: The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote: If /home's not on a separate partition now, and you have enough diskspace on a storage partition, just copy your entire /home directory to that partition. Then copy it back in after a re-install of 10.0, overwriting the install /home. This probly isn't practically feasible if your storage area is any type of Windoze file system. It's possible, but much more complicated. I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. thanks, Julie Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie. In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. CD backup of /home was a good idea on your part. This advice comin from an old idiot with 4 /stor[1,2,3,4] partitions spanning 3 PATA/SATA mix of drives with a total of 280gig. As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'. M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can be transferred to Linux. Maybe someone here with actual experience can comment. I haven't used anything M$ in years. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Lanman wrote: Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my support contracts instead! Grin! Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag! snicker Can I sign up for a 'support contract'? I'm afraid I can't afford to pay in *cash*...but I can't afford a bigger hard drive either! ;-) -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-20mdk ~~~ The sum of the intelligence of the world is constant. The population is, of course, growing. ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:18, Margot wrote: Can I sign up for a 'support contract'? Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Okay, Okay -- I admit it. You didn't change that program that worked just a little while ago; I inserted some random characters into the executable. Please forgive me. You can recover the file by typing in the code over again, since I also removed the source. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote: I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie. I hope I've learned a little bit in six months?? But a lot of what you say from here on looks like alphabet soup on the first pass :) So I'll read it again, slower... In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. Why one real big /stor dir? Wouldn't it be better to have new downloads (from unknown sources; I don't mean rpms) go to a separate partition to isolate them just in case, and to have certain types of large files, for instance MP3s, default to their own space? As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'. M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can be transferred to Linux. Yes it can - is how I got a modem driver when linux wasn't recognizing my conexant last summer. D/L'ed it into WinXP then cp'd it into Mandrake. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. Thanks for the suggestions. I have 200G total on two drives, but 80 of that has Win$ux spread all over it. If I make a, say, 20G partition on the 120G drive, (where my crippled Mandrake 10.0 is now) then move (?) the 4G of WinXP OS into it, could I reformat that 80G into storage space? The thought of it is pretty daunting; I am very new to this and know very little command-line stuff. When you refer to '/' , is that where /mnt is now, and is that where I'd access other partitions from, once I have them? thanks, Julie -- ...my brain is MMMELLTINNG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:18, Margot wrote: Can I sign up for a 'support contract'? Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't miss a couple! J -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote: Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't miss a couple! J Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat patties, goat casserole...the list goes on. My barbie is primed up and ready. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- When you're married to someone, they take you for granted ... when you're living with someone it's fantastic ... they're so frightened of losing you they've got to keep you satisfied all the time. -- Nell Dunn, Poor Cow Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 22:38, Julie Sloan wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote: I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie. I hope I've learned a little bit in six months?? But a lot of what you say from here on looks like alphabet soup on the first pass :) So I'll read it again, slower... In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. Why one real big /stor dir? Wouldn't it be better to have new downloads (from unknown sources; I don't mean rpms) go to a separate partition to isolate them just in case, and to have certain types of large files, for instance MP3s, default to their own space? As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'. M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can be transferred to Linux. Yes it can - is how I got a modem driver when linux wasn't recognizing my conexant last summer. D/L'ed it into WinXP then cp'd it into Mandrake. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. Thanks for the suggestions. I have 200G total on two drives, but 80 of that has Win$ux spread all over it. If I make a, say, 20G partition on the 120G drive, (where my crippled Mandrake 10.0 is now) then move (?) the 4G of WinXP OS into it, could I reformat that 80G into storage space? The thought of it is pretty daunting; I am very new to this and know very little command-line stuff. When you refer to '/' , is that where /mnt is now, and is that where I'd access other partitions from, once I have them? Windows doesn't like being moved - you'll need to backup your data and re-install. The '/' Tom mentions refers (here) to the partitioning - when you are asked about mount points when you install he suggests (at least) two partitions '/' and '/home'. Under / you will probably see other directories, including /mnt. If you format the 80G into a FAT32 partition, both linux and XP could read and write to it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote: Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't miss a couple! J Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat patties, goat casserole...the list goes on. My barbie is primed up and ready. Nooo! I think we'd better transfer any further 'goat' discussion to the OT list... -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-20mdk ~~~ We all agree on the necessity of compromise. We just can't agree on when it's necessary to compromise. -- Larry Wall ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 10:09, Margot wrote: Nooo! I think we'd better transfer any further 'goat' discussion to the OT list... Speaking of the OT list - what the heck ever happened to those that initially screamed for an OT IRC channel - which exists, but no one on this list ever goes there? (ditto with the MDK channel - both are hosted on the Freenode servers). I spend alot of time in IRC monitoring and ain't never no one from either list there. Hmmm. Strange that. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Rocky's Lemma of Innovation Prevention: Unless the results are known in advance, funding agencies will reject the proposal. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Margot wrote: Lanman wrote: Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my support contracts instead! Grin! Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag! snicker Can I sign up for a 'support contract'? I'm afraid I can't afford to pay in *cash*...but I can't afford a bigger hard drive either! ;-) Done! Your new contract is in the mail! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 23:03, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote: Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't miss a couple! J Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat patties, goat casserole...the list goes on. My barbie is primed up and ready. You missed the best - goat curry with rice peas. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Paul wrote: On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 23:03, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote: Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't miss a couple! J Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat patties, goat casserole...the list goes on. My barbie is primed up and ready. You missed the best - goat curry with rice peas. Great Caesar's Goat! Er, Ghost! This is getting real bad folks! LMAO! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:59, Lanman wrote: Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my support contracts instead! Grin! Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag! snicker It's Sunday, so since I ain't goin to church, I reckon I should be honest for the day (ONLY for the day, mind you). -- stephen kuhn You just HAD to pick today to be honest, didn't ya. Still, I'm guessing that you won't score a lot of brownie points with the big guy for being honest just for one day, so that's a relief! Nice talking at ya again Stephen. Take Care buddy! BTW, did you ever get rid of that tie you had on your website? Or does it have sentimental value? -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: It's quite alright. On THIS list, women are allowed to choose top or bottom. -- stephen kuhn OK, Now! See? That was funny! Especially when taken out of context! Good On Ya Mate! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 10:38, Lanman wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:59, Lanman wrote: Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my support contracts instead! Grin! Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag! snicker It's Sunday, so since I ain't goin to church, I reckon I should be honest for the day (ONLY for the day, mind you). -- stephen kuhn You just HAD to pick today to be honest, didn't ya. Still, I'm guessing that you won't score a lot of brownie points with the big guy for being honest just for one day, so that's a relief! Nice talking at ya again Stephen. Take Care buddy! BTW, did you ever get rid of that tie you had on your website? Or does it have sentimental value? HAD sentimental value. All gone now. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- You know you've been spending too much time on the computer when your friend misdates a check, and you suggest adding a ++ to fix it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: HAD sentimental value. All gone now. -- stephen kuhn Had? Hmmm. Take Care Stephen. G'Night! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat patties, goat casserole...the list goes on. My barbie is primed up and ready. MMMmm. I'm rowing. Expect me sometime in March.. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Paul wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. When you refer to '/' , is that where /mnt is now, and is that where I'd access other partitions from, once I have them? Windows doesn't like being moved - you'll need to backup your data and re-install. sigh baby steps... one at a time... The '/' Tom mentions refers (here) to the partitioning - when you are asked about mount points when you install he suggests (at least) two partitions '/' and '/home'. Under / you will probably see other directories, including /mnt. and /usr and /bin or am I still confused? If you format the 80G into a FAT32 partition, both linux and XP could read and write to it. What about a ReiserFS? Or is that something else, not a type of partition as I thought? thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:18, Margot wrote: Can I sign up for a 'support contract'? Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't miss a couple! J Please send 2 nice goats direct to Lanman - it would be cruel to ship the poor creatures all the way to England and then all the way back to Canada! Thanks! -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-20mdk ~~~ Conceit causes more conversation than wit. -- LaRouchefoucauld ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:02, Julie Sloan wrote: What about a ReiserFS? Or is that something else, not a type of partition as I thought? thanks, Julie Let's make it as simply put as possible. Create the partitions: /boot (ext3) / (ReiserFS) SWAP /home (ReiserFS) Bear in mind that MS Windows should ALWAYS be installed first on the drive, then GNU/linux afterwards. K.I.S.S. principle. If you cannot have your /home on a separate partition, then don't worry about it - it can live happily on the / partition. Does that make more sense? -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- The Worst Car Hire Service When David Schwartz left university in 1972, he set up Rent-a-wreck as a joke. Being a natural prankster, he acquired a fleet of beat-up shabby, wreckages waiting for the scrap heap in California. He put on a cap and looked forward to watching people's faces as he conducted them round the choice of bumperless, dented junkmobiles. To his lasting surprise there was an insatiable demand for them and he now has 26 thriving branches all over America. People like driving round in the worst cars available, he said. Of course they do. If a driver damages the side of a car and is honest enough to admit it, I tell him, `Forget it'. If they bring a car back late we overlook it. If they've had a crash and it doesn't involve another vehicle we might overlook that too. Where's the ashtray? asked on Los Angeles wife, as she settled into the ripped interior. Honey, said her husband, the whole car's the ash tray. -- Stephen Pile, The Book of Heroic Failures Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:02, Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat patties, goat casserole...the list goes on. My barbie is primed up and ready. MMMmm. I'm rowing. Expect me sometime in March.. Julie Dunno if anyone's ever rowed from the west coast of the US to the east coast of Australia before...interesting thought, but. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Our vision is to speed up time, eventually eliminating it. -- Alex Schure Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: My barbie is primed up and ready. MMMmm. I'm rowing. Expect me sometime in March.. Julie Dunno if anyone's ever rowed from the west coast of the US to the east coast of Australia before...interesting thought, but. Hmmm... down Triplett Creek to the Licking River, up the Licking to the Ohio River, the Ohio to the Mississippi, into the Gulf of Mexico, then east to the Atlantic, south and ...would it be quicker to go around the Horn or Good Hope? ... where'd you say you are? At the rate these goats procreate I ought to have three or four by the time I get to Oz... [sorry - anything further I'll post to the OT list] Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:02, Julie Sloan wrote: What about a ReiserFS? Or is that something else, not a type of partition as I thought? thanks, Julie Let's make it as simply put as possible. Create the partitions: /boot (ext3) / (ReiserFS) SWAP /home (ReiserFS) Bear in mind that MS Windows should ALWAYS be installed first on the drive, then GNU/linux afterwards. K.I.S.S. principle. If you cannot have your /home on a separate partition, then don't worry about it - it can live happily on the / partition. Does that make more sense? Got it. thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:26, Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: My barbie is primed up and ready. MMMmm. I'm rowing. Expect me sometime in March.. Julie Dunno if anyone's ever rowed from the west coast of the US to the east coast of Australia before...interesting thought, but. Hmmm... down Triplett Creek to the Licking River, up the Licking to the Ohio River, the Ohio to the Mississippi, into the Gulf of Mexico, then east to the Atlantic, south and ...would it be quicker to go around the Horn or Good Hope? ... where'd you say you are? At the rate these goats procreate I ought to have three or four by the time I get to Oz... [sorry - anything further I'll post to the OT list] Julie Down the mighty Mississip, into the Gulf, through the Panama Canal, head directly SSW and don't stop till you smack into Windang Island. Else, ship the goats to Knott County, KY and a mate of mine will git'em ready and ship'em over. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- He'd never realized that, deep down inside, what he really wanted to do was make things go splat. (Reaper Man) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:44 am, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 06:35, Julie Sloan wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's advice Gonna start from scratch. I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks... I think you've made the right decision g Anne Well, this way I may tear out less of my hair ;) thanks, Julie Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men. Ask Margot. Trying to get her goat eh ;-) -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- You will have domestic happiness and faithful friends. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Saturday 22 January 2005 05:21 pm, Paul wrote: On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 23:03, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote: Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot. Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't miss a couple! J Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat patties, goat casserole...the list goes on. My barbie is primed up and ready. You missed the best - goat curry with rice peas. No Goat Ice Cream ? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Stephen Kühn wrote: Julie Sloan lied: [sorry - anything further I'll post to the OT list] Down the mighty Mississip, into the Gulf, through the Panama Canal, head directly SSW and don't stop till you smack into Windang Island. Else, ship the goats to Knott County, KY and a mate of mine will git'em ready and ship'em over. Huh? I could WALK 'em to Knott county from here. J -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Thursday 20 January 2005 09:26 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? What I've done is in my ignorance begun updating 10.1 when what I had was six-month-old 10.0 installed from discs. The 10.0 was fine :( until I messed it up with this update. Now it's all screwed up. Where do I begin to fix it? I'm sure what I have now is part 10.0 and part 10.1 and missing some vital parts of each due to conflicts and/or dependencies. Where do I start?? thanks, Julie put your 10.0 disk in and choose upgrade ..this should resolve *some* of your problems the main problem is that 10 and 10.1 can and often do use different kernel versions Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 20 January 2005 09:26 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? What I've done is in my ignorance begun updating 10.1 when what I had was six-month-old 10.0 installed from discs. The 10.0 was fine :( until I messed it up with this update. Now it's all screwed up. Where do I begin to fix it? I'm sure what I have now is part 10.0 and part 10.1 and missing some vital parts of each due to conflicts and/or dependencies. Where do I start?? put your 10.0 disk in and choose upgrade ..this should resolve *some* of your problems the main problem is that 10 and 10.1 can and often do use different kernel versions Thanks Aron, I did that; had one message during install saying graphical interface would not be configured, the rest went quickly. Rebooted and everything looked as it did before; still can't access KMail nor MCC. On reboot got a crash message: Soundserver - the KDE Crash Handler Soundserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT) What do I do next; see about 10.0 updates at easyurpmi? thanks, Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Friday 21 January 2005 08:42 am, Julie Sloan wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 20 January 2005 09:26 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? What I've done is in my ignorance begun updating 10.1 when what I had was six-month-old 10.0 installed from discs. The 10.0 was fine :( until I messed it up with this update. Now it's all screwed up. Where do I begin to fix it? I'm sure what I have now is part 10.0 and part 10.1 and missing some vital parts of each due to conflicts and/or dependencies. Where do I start?? put your 10.0 disk in and choose upgrade ..this should resolve *some* of your problems the main problem is that 10 and 10.1 can and often do use different kernel versions Thanks Aron, I did that; had one message during install saying graphical interface would not be configured, the rest went quickly. Rebooted and everything looked as it did before; still can't access KMail nor MCC. On reboot got a crash message: Soundserver - the KDE Crash Handler Soundserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT) What do I do next; see about 10.0 updates at easyurpmi? I would set up my urpmi sources for 10.0 at http://www.urpmi-addmedia.org/ or http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ and make shure you have main contrib and updates plf and jpackage will also be usefull (it is a learning experience isn't it) :-D thanks, Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 08:42 am, Julie Sloan wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 20 January 2005 09:26 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? What I've done is in my ignorance begun updating 10.1 when what I had was six-month-old 10.0 installed from discs. The 10.0 was fine :( until I messed it up with this update. Now it's all screwed up. Where do I begin to fix it? I'm sure what I have now is part 10.0 and part 10.1 and missing some vital parts of each due to conflicts and/or dependencies. Where do I start?? put your 10.0 disk in and choose upgrade ..this should resolve *some* of your problems the main problem is that 10 and 10.1 can and often do use different kernel versions Thanks Aron, I did that; had one message during install saying graphical interface would not be configured, the rest went quickly. Rebooted and everything looked as it did before; still can't access KMail nor MCC. On reboot got a crash message: Soundserver - the KDE Crash Handler Soundserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT) What do I do next; see about 10.0 updates at easyurpmi? I would set up my urpmi sources for 10.0 at http://www.urpmi-addmedia.org/ or http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ and make shure you have main contrib and updates plf and jpackage will also be usefull (it is a learning experience isn't it) :-D Yes it is! Everything seemed to go fine for a while, I did the following: urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/mandrake/10.1 with hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia --update updates http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/updates/10.1/main_updates with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia main http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/10.1/i586/media/main with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia contrib http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/10.1/i586/media/contrib with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia jpackage http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/10.1/i586/media/jpackage with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.update -a --no-md5sum urpmi --auto-select rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n ldconfig -v and each media gave me this: unable to take medium jpackage into account as no list file [/var/lib/urpmi/list.jpackage] exists then when all looked done, this happened: ...retrieving done examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz] unable to take medium jpackage into account as no list file [/var/lib/urpmi/list.jpackage] exists One of the following packages is needed: 1- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 2- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 3- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 4- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-4) 2 To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed (6 MB): perl-URPM-1.03-2.1.101mdk.i586 popt-1.8.2-15mdk.i586 rpm-4.2.2-15mdk.i586 urpmi-4.5-29.1.101mdk.noarch Is this OK? (Y/n) fine so far, but then !AAACK!! restarting urpmi One of the following packages is needed: 1- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 : Offline Mail Transfert Agent (to install) 2- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 : A minimal mail-transfer agent which forwards mail to an SMTP server. (to install) 3- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent (to install) 4- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 : A widely used Mail Transport Agent (MTA) (to install) What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Friday 21 January 2005 02:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 08:42 am, Julie Sloan wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 20 January 2005 09:26 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? What I've done is in my ignorance begun updating 10.1 when what I had was six-month-old 10.0 installed from discs. The 10.0 was fine :( until I messed it up with this update. Now it's all screwed up. Where do I begin to fix it? I'm sure what I have now is part 10.0 and part 10.1 and missing some vital parts of each due to conflicts and/or dependencies. Where do I start?? put your 10.0 disk in and choose upgrade ..this should resolve *some* of your problems the main problem is that 10 and 10.1 can and often do use different kernel versions Thanks Aron, I did that; had one message during install saying graphical interface would not be configured, the rest went quickly. Rebooted and everything looked as it did before; still can't access KMail nor MCC. On reboot got a crash message: Soundserver - the KDE Crash Handler Soundserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT) What do I do next; see about 10.0 updates at easyurpmi? I would set up my urpmi sources for 10.0 at http://www.urpmi-addmedia.org/ or http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ and make shure you have main contrib and updates plf and jpackage will also be usefull (it is a learning experience isn't it) :-D Yes it is! Everything seemed to go fine for a while, I did the following: urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/mandrake/10.1 with hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia --update updates http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/ updates/10.1/main_updates with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia main http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/ 10.1/i586/media/main with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia contrib http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/ 10.1/i586/media/contrib with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia jpackage http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/ 10.1/i586/media/jpackage with media_info/hdlist.cz urpmi.update -a --no-md5sum urpmi --auto-select rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n ldconfig -v and each media gave me this: unable to take medium jpackage into account as no list file [/var/lib/urpmi/list.jpackage] exists then when all looked done, this happened: ...retrieving done examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz] unable to take medium jpackage into account as no list file [/var/lib/urpmi/list.jpackage] exists One of the following packages is needed: 1- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 2- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 3- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 4- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-4) 2 To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed (6 MB): perl-URPM-1.03-2.1.101mdk.i586 popt-1.8.2-15mdk.i586 rpm-4.2.2-15mdk.i586 urpmi-4.5-29.1.101mdk.noarch Is this OK? (Y/n) fine so far, but then !AAACK!! restarting urpmi One of the following packages is needed: 1- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 : Offline Mail Transfert Agent (to install) 2- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 : A minimal mail-transfer agent which forwards mail to an SMTP server. (to install) 3- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent (to install) 4- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 : A widely used Mail Transport Agent (MTA) (to install) What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? You don't need AFAIK any of those packages kmail workks a lot better for most of us Mozilla thunderbird is also very good Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 02:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: fine so far, but then !AAACK!! restarting urpmi One of the following packages is needed: 1- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 : Offline Mail Transfert Agent (to install) 2- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 : A minimal mail-transfer agent which forwards mail to an SMTP server. (to install) 3- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent (to install) 4- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 : A widely used Mail Transport Agent (MTA) (to install) What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? You don't need AFAIK any of those packages kmail workks a lot better for most of us Mozilla thunderbird is also very good KMail and Kontact will not open. My addressbook is in KMail. I am using Mozilla now, and that is fine, but I need to get into KMail to get my addresses and contact information! Cannot get into MCC No screensavers Gnome desktop is completely blank (no icons) Soundserver ? crashes on reboot LOL what fun this is Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 02:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: restarting urpmi One of the following packages is needed: 1- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 : Offline Mail Transfert Agent (to install) 2- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 : A minimal mail-transfer agent which forwards mail to an SMTP server. (to install) 3- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent (to install) 4- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 : A widely used Mail Transport Agent (MTA) (to install) What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): You don't need AFAIK any of those packages kmail workks a lot better for most of us Mozilla thunderbird is also very good But it doesn't give me the option to refuse. it asks, What is your choice? (1-4) Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 13:49, Julie Sloan wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 02:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: restarting urpmi One of the following packages is needed: 1- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 : Offline Mail Transfert Agent (to install) 2- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 : A minimal mail-transfer agent which forwards mail to an SMTP server. (to install) 3- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent (to install) 4- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 : A widely used Mail Transport Agent (MTA) (to install) What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): You don't need AFAIK any of those packages kmail workks a lot better for most of us Mozilla thunderbird is also very good But it doesn't give me the option to refuse. it asks, What is your choice? (1-4) Julie 4. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 13:04, Julie Sloan wrote: KMail and Kontact will not open. My addressbook is in KMail. I am using Mozilla now, and that is fine, but I need to get into KMail to get my addresses and contact information! Cannot get into MCC No screensavers Gnome desktop is completely blank (no icons) Soundserver ? crashes on reboot LOL what fun this is Julie MCC won't open? Gnome is broken? That definitely sounds like some problems. Can you run rpmdrake? Does that do anything? Because I'm wondering if perl might be borked. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- he'd twice failed to become Village Idiot through being overqualified. (Maskerade) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Julie Sloan wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 02:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: fine so far, but then !AAACK!! restarting urpmi One of the following packages is needed: 1- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 : Offline Mail Transfert Agent (to install) 2- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 : A minimal mail-transfer agent which forwards mail to an SMTP server. (to install) 3- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent (to install) 4- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 : A widely used Mail Transport Agent (MTA) (to install) What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? You don't need AFAIK any of those packages kmail workks a lot better for most of us Mozilla thunderbird is also very good KMail and Kontact will not open. My addressbook is in KMail. I am using Mozilla now, and that is fine, but I need to get into KMail to get my addresses and contact information! There should be a text file with that info in your ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/addressbook or something like that I don't use kmail. Open it in a terminal and you should have your info. Cannot get into MCC No screensavers Gnome desktop is completely blank (no icons) Soundserver ? crashes on reboot LOL what fun this is Julie Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 13:04, Julie Sloan wrote: KMail and Kontact will not open. My addressbook is in KMail. I am using Mozilla now, and that is fine, but I need to get into KMail to get my addresses and contact information! Cannot get into MCC No screensavers Gnome desktop is completely blank (no icons) Soundserver ? crashes on reboot LOL what fun this is Julie MCC won't open? Gnome is broken? That definitely sounds like some problems. Can you run rpmdrake? Does that do anything? Because I'm wondering if perl might be borked. Hi Stephen How this began is after having Mandrake 10.0 installed for about 6 months I went for my *first* urpmi update and mistakenly chose 10.1 instead of 10.0. Then I could no longer access Kontact or Kmail. I then used my 10.0 disks and upgraded. I then went to easyurpmi.org and ran everything for 10.0. got error message: unable to take medium jpackage into account as no list file [/var/lib/urpmi/list.jpackage] exists added medium jpackage ran: # urpmi.update -a --no-md5sum urpmi --auto-select rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n ldconfig -v still got error message: unable to take medium jpackage into account as no list file [/var/lib/urpmi/list.jpackage] exists urpmi'd the following list (because MCC won't open): drakbt ok drakclick ok drakconfok drakconf-themes ok drakconnect ok drakcronat ok drakfax ok drakfirsttime ok drakoo ok drakopt ok drakpxelinuxok draksyncok drakwizard ok drakx-autoinstall-doc ok drakx-finish-installno? drakxtools ok drakxtools-backend ok drakxtools-http ok drakxtools-newt ok drakxtools-ng ok harddrake ok harddrake-uiok mandrake-doc-common ok mandrake-doc-drakxtools-en failed? mandrake-doc-en ok mandrake-menu-directory ok mandrake-mime ok mandrake_desk ok mandrakegalaxy ok mandrakelinux-kde-config-file failed? mandrakelinux-release ok mandrakelinux-theme ok menudrake ok moneydrake ok packdrake no? park-rpmdrake ok rfbdrakeok rpmdrakeok userdrake ok drakx-finish-install and packdrake do not exist, but they do according to google. mandrake-doc-draxtools-en and mandrakelinux-kde-config-file failed because of conflicts. then I went to eslrahc.com and added that site as a source to urpmi use. ran: urpmi.update -a --no-md5sum urpmi --auto-select rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n ldconfig -v but got stuck on the which mail program question you answered previously. that's where I am now. Yes, rpmdrake downloaded. I haven't tried to run it yet :) thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
mike wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 02:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: fine so far, but then !AAACK!! restarting urpmi One of the following packages is needed: 1- masqmail-0.2.18-3mdk.i586 : Offline Mail Transfert Agent (to install) 2- ssmtp-2.60.7-1mdk.i586 : A minimal mail-transfer agent which forwards mail to an SMTP server. (to install) 3- postfix-2.1.4-2mdk.i586 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent (to install) 4- sendmail-8.13.1-1mdk.i586 : A widely used Mail Transport Agent (MTA) (to install) What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? You don't need AFAIK any of those packages kmail workks a lot better for most of us Mozilla thunderbird is also very good KMail and Kontact will not open. My addressbook is in KMail. I am using Mozilla now, and that is fine, but I need to get into KMail to get my addresses and contact information! There should be a text file with that info in your ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/addressbook or something like that I don't use kmail. Open it in a terminal and you should have your info. thank you Mike, but no, no addrbook in that directory, or any nearby. Found all my mail in ~/.Mail, and recently used addresses somewhere...?but no main addressbook. thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Stephen Kühn wrote: MCC won't open? Gnome is broken? That definitely sounds like some problems. Can you run rpmdrake? Does that do anything? Because I'm wondering if perl might be borked. when I run rpmdrake I get this: $ rpmdrake Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: galaxy, at /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm line 1056. Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: galaxy, at /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm line 1056. Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: galaxy, at /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm line 1056. WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means there was an error in the creation of: '/etc/pango/i386/pango.modules' You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. at /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm line 1025. GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 1561 (g_object_ref): assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed at /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm line 1025. CRITICAL **: file pango-engine.c: line 68 (_pango_engine_shape_shape): assertion `PANGO_IS_FONT (font)' failed at /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm line 1025. ERROR **: file shape.c: line 75 (pango_shape): assertion failed: (glyphs-num_glyphs 0) at /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm line 1025. -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 15:38, Julie Sloan wrote: when I run rpmdrake I get this: generous snip IF it were me, at this stage, I would backup what I could, and format the HD and start fresh. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- They make a desert and call it peace. -- Tacitus (55?-120?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Julie Sloan wrote: Hi all - - I see this mentioned in the Cooker archives, May and December 2003, but if someone also posted a solution I either missed it or am too dense to recognize it for what it is. FWIW the archive subject lines are: [Cooker] urpmi bug or not? (probably something with virtual packages...) and [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] arts-1.1.2-2mdk A couple days ago I commenced my first large update; also my first time using urpmi. With quite a bit of help on another forum, I worked through several problems, but now I seem stuck at: = kdebase is needed by krozat-10.1-3.1.101mdk kdebase = 3.1 is needed by kdenetwork-common-3.2.3-19.2.101mdk = So... now... should my next step be to locate download the kdebase and the kdebase =3.1, and if so, is there a particular download site that's recommended? I'm on Mandrake 10.1 thanks, Julie Julie, I think you're slightly misunderstanding the error messages. The first part tells you that krozat needs kdebase, but doesn't need any particular version of kdebase. The second part tells you that kdenetwork-common needs kdebase, and it must have a version of kdebase that is greater than or equal to 3.1 - so to satisfy the needs of both krozat and kdenetwork-common, you only need to have one kdebase package, but it must be = 3.1. First, check what version of kdebase you have installed - if any! Open the Mandrake Control Center, go to the Software Management section, select Remove (don't worry, we're not going to actually remove anything, but if something appears in the Remove list it must have been installed in the first place!), make sure the radio button for All packages, alphabetical is checked, then scroll down the list to see if there's a kdebase package. If there is, what is the exact version listed? Then, report back here... Mine says kdebase-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk - yours, if you have one at all, might be different but should be in the same format. On another list you mentioned that you bought the Mandrake CDs last summer - as 10.1 didn't exist then, are the CDs for 10.0? Because you now say you're running 10.1 - did you just install 10.0 from the CDs and then set your urpmi sources for version 10.1? This would account for the huge volume of updates you've been getting, and might also explain some of the problems you've been having. -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-20mdk ~~~ Learning French is trivial: the word for horse is cheval, and everything else follows in the same way. -- Alan J. Perlis ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Margot wrote: First, check what version of kdebase you have installed - if any! Open the Mandrake Control Center, Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:/usr/share/applnk-mdk/System/Configuration/Configure your computer.desktop does not exist. Then, report back here... ok... $ locate kdebase /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase-common-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libkdebase4-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libkdebase4-konsole-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdebase-3.2-apidocs /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdebase-3.2-apidocs/common /usr/share/doc/HTML/en_GB/khelpcenter/userguide/kdebase-apps.docbook /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kdebase.mo /usr/lib/menu/simplified/kdebase-basedir ...and then a bunch in the /usr/lib/menu directory Mine says kdebase-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk - yours, if you have one at all, might be different but should be in the same format. On another list you mentioned that you bought the Mandrake CDs last summer - as 10.1 didn't exist then, are the CDs for 10.0? Because you now say you're running 10.1 - did you just install 10.0 from the CDs and then set your urpmi sources for version 10.1? This would account for the huge volume of updates you've been getting, and might also explain some of the problems you've been having. Aha. Yes. Oops. Help? Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Julie Sloan wrote: Margot wrote: First, check what version of kdebase you have installed - if any! Open the Mandrake Control Center, Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:/usr/share/applnk-mdk/System/Configuration/Configure your computer.desktop does not exist. Then, report back here... ok... $ locate kdebase /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase-common-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libkdebase4-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libkdebase4-konsole-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdebase-3.2-apidocs /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdebase-3.2-apidocs/common /usr/share/doc/HTML/en_GB/khelpcenter/userguide/kdebase-apps.docbook /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kdebase.mo /usr/lib/menu/simplified/kdebase-basedir ...and then a bunch in the /usr/lib/menu directory Mine says kdebase-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk - yours, if you have one at all, might be different but should be in the same format. On another list you mentioned that you bought the Mandrake CDs last summer - as 10.1 didn't exist then, are the CDs for 10.0? Because you now say you're running 10.1 - did you just install 10.0 from the CDs and then set your urpmi sources for version 10.1? This would account for the huge volume of updates you've been getting, and might also explain some of the problems you've been having. Aha. Yes. Oops. Help? Julie OK Julie, decision time! You have vital parts of Mandrake missing (Mandrake Control Center) as well as vital parts of KDE. You can go one of 2 ways: - Complete reinstall of 10.0 from the CDs (wipe out absolutely everything!), set urpmi sources for 10.0 and end up with a working, fully-updated 10.0 system - this is the easy option! - Continue with 10.1, searching for vital parts and installing them manually, and tweaking the configuration gradually as you go - this will be a lot of hard work, but a good learning experience! Have a think, work out how brave you're feeling, and let us know. -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-20mdk ~~~ The worst thing one can do is not to try, to be aware of what one wants and not give in to it, to spend years in silent hurt wondering if something could have materialized -- and never knowing. -- David Viscott ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Margot wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Margot wrote: First, check what version of kdebase you have installed - if any! Open the Mandrake Control Center, Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:/usr/share/applnk-mdk/System/Configuration/Configure your computer.desktop does not exist. Then, report back here... ok... $ locate kdebase /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase-common-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libkdebase4-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libkdebase4-konsole-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk.i586.rpm /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdebase-3.2-apidocs /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdebase-3.2-apidocs/common /usr/share/doc/HTML/en_GB/khelpcenter/userguide/kdebase-apps.docbook /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kdebase.mo /usr/lib/menu/simplified/kdebase-basedir ...and then a bunch in the /usr/lib/menu directory Mine says kdebase-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk - yours, if you have one at all, might be different but should be in the same format. On another list you mentioned that you bought the Mandrake CDs last summer - as 10.1 didn't exist then, are the CDs for 10.0? Because you now say you're running 10.1 - did you just install 10.0 from the CDs and then set your urpmi sources for version 10.1? This would account for the huge volume of updates you've been getting, and might also explain some of the problems you've been having. Aha. Yes. Oops. Help? Julie OK Julie, decision time! You have vital parts of Mandrake missing (Mandrake Control Center) as well as vital parts of KDE. You can go one of 2 ways: - Complete reinstall of 10.0 from the CDs (wipe out absolutely everything!), set urpmi sources for 10.0 and end up with a working, fully-updated 10.0 system - this is the easy option! - Continue with 10.1, searching for vital parts and installing them manually, and tweaking the configuration gradually as you go - this will be a lot of hard work, but a good learning experience! Have a think, work out how brave you're feeling, and let us know. You Go Girl! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Margot wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Margot wrote: On another list you mentioned that you bought the Mandrake CDs last summer - as 10.1 didn't exist then, are the CDs for 10.0? Because you now say you're running 10.1 - did you just install 10.0 from the CDs and then set your urpmi sources for version 10.1? This would account for the huge volume of updates you've been getting, and might also explain some of the problems you've been having. Aha. Yes. Oops. Help? OK Julie, decision time! You have vital parts of Mandrake missing (Mandrake Control Center) as well as vital parts of KDE. You can go one of 2 ways: - Complete reinstall of 10.0 from the CDs (wipe out absolutely everything!), set urpmi sources for 10.0 and end up with a working, fully-updated 10.0 system - this is the easy option! - Continue with 10.1, searching for vital parts and installing them manually, and tweaking the configuration gradually as you go - this will be a lot of hard work, but a good learning experience! Have a think, work out how brave you're feeling, and let us know. Without a doubt, I'd rather go the install manually and tweak route, but I'm going to need a lot of hand-holding along the way. BTW I've located my mailboxes - all with weird names but oh well, I can get the data out of them now - - but where is my KMail addresbook? All I've found so far is recently used addresses, which is nicely more than I had a few hours ago but still not the entire mailing list, not to mention the individual information I had stashed on each card. I know I said on another list that a crash might do me a favor, because of how widely and randomly my notes are scattered, but still, I'd hate to lose what I have compiled. Yes, if I can rebuild this mess I'll be real happy. My screensavers have gone into hiding also, and I can't log into the Gnome GUI at all. thanks, Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Lanman wrote: Margot wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Aha. Yes. Oops. Help? Julie OK Julie, decision time! You have vital parts of Mandrake missing (Mandrake Control Center) as well as vital parts of KDE. You can go one of 2 ways: - Complete reinstall of 10.0 from the CDs (wipe out absolutely everything!), set urpmi sources for 10.0 and end up with a working, fully-updated 10.0 system - this is the easy option! - Continue with 10.1, searching for vital parts and installing them manually, and tweaking the configuration gradually as you go - this will be a lot of hard work, but a good learning experience! Have a think, work out how brave you're feeling, and let us know. You Go Girl! Who go, Margot or me? I hate reverse gear, so if I can get some advice along the way I'll just plan to plow ahead... Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Thursday 20 January 2005 04:52 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Lanman wrote: Margot wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Aha. Yes. Oops. Help? Julie OK Julie, decision time! You have vital parts of Mandrake missing (Mandrake Control Center) as well as vital parts of KDE. You can go one of 2 ways: - Complete reinstall of 10.0 from the CDs (wipe out absolutely everything!), set urpmi sources for 10.0 and end up with a working, fully-updated 10.0 system - this is the easy option! - Continue with 10.1, searching for vital parts and installing them manually, and tweaking the configuration gradually as you go - this will be a lot of hard work, but a good learning experience! Have a think, work out how brave you're feeling, and let us know. You Go Girl! Who go, Margot or me? I hate reverse gear, so if I can get some advice along the way I'll just plan to plow ahead... Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 20 January 2005 04:52 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: I hate reverse gear, so if I can get some advice along the way I'll just plan to plow ahead... Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? Hi Aron, no, I'm on dialup Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
Julie if I may chime in get 10.0 right first then try upgrading to 10.1 much easier BTW do you have broadband ? What I've done is in my ignorance begun updating 10.1 when what I had was six-month-old 10.0 installed from discs. The 10.0 was fine :( until I messed it up with this update. Now it's all screwed up. Where do I begin to fix it? I'm sure what I have now is part 10.0 and part 10.1 and missing some vital parts of each due to conflicts and/or dependencies. Where do I start?? thanks, Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
