Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Alexey Eremenko]

let make it more clear...

1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!)
granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's
customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..)



Protection from a what? I understand this as protection from not suing
SUSE for MS patents, which equals patent license grant.


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Re: [opensuse] Trouble setting up SAMBA

[Alexey Eremenko]

On 4/11/07, Lars Norén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you have it installed, you can try YaST: Network services - Samba
Server. First tab 'Start' - start Samba during start-up + open port in
firewall. Second tab 'Shares' - inactivate everything but Netlogon +
mark 'Allow users to share...'. Third tab 'Identity' - I never change
anything there. That usually does it for me: sharing folders over the
network between Linux and XP - users in Linux decide if they want to
share a folder and to what extent (right-click on a folder and choose
'Sharing options').
/Lars


1. Yast didn't help. Shares on, 'Allow users to share...'. is on.
2. Firewall is off.
3. Users can share only their directories, not entire hard disk.

How to share RW entire hard disk? (like Win98 or XP)

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Marcus Meissner]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:12:53AM +0100, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> >let make it more clear...
> >
> >1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!)
> >granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's
> >customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..)
> 
> 
> Protection from a what? I understand this as protection from not suing
> SUSE for MS patents, which equals patent license grant.

Protection for both Novell and MS *CUSTOMERS* but NOT the companies
themselves.

MS can still sue us over anything, and vice-versa.

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[M Harris]

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:21, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
> argh, the level of stupidity and ignorance from both writers and readers
> that believes on this articles is becoming very annoying **sigh**.
>
> /me shakes head.
Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance--- and who is to 
blame 
for that... one hundred zillion people would like to better understand the 
M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and insults...

If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
might do 
well to improve their communication channels... stop swearing... and make 
sure that all parties understand clearly what is happening and why.  If there 
is ignorance regarding the Novell business relationship with M$ only Novell 
is to blame for that.






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Re: [opensuse] [zypper] How to remove a unavailable service?

[Alexey Eremenko]

try Yast and remove all the bull, this includes zypper and rug.

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Re: [opensuse] Huawei E220 on openSuSE 10.2

[Hans van der Merwe]

On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 11:47 -0700, Martin Mielke wrote:
> Hi Rui,
> 
> thanks for your reply and sorry for getting back in touch so late..
> 
> Yes, I was talking about a Huawei E220 USB, sorry for not making it clear...
> 
> Well, I followed your descriptions but I still cannot use it under openSuSE 
> 10.2 (kernel 2.6.18.2-34-default).
> 
> When I reboot the laptop with the E220 connected to it, as you suggested, it 
> shows up as removable storage. So I must eject /media/MOBILE_CONNECT...
> 


I played with this device alot this weekend. My take:

You have to get a new kernel 2.6.20+ or rmmod usb_storage before
anything will work (there are other ways but for me this was the only
solution that worked - rmmodding that is)

When you plug in the device it should show ttyUSB0,1 and 2. In your case
it seems fine.
For me, every third time I inserted the device it only showed ttyUSB0
and did not work.

For some reason my device did not always act on ATZ and some other AT
commands - it seems horrible non standard (but at least it does some AT
commands, and not some Wintel USB thing)

Disable the pin - it only accepts the pin once - weird.

This is my ifcfg, it should work (INIT4 is important):

cat /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-modem3
BOOTPROTO='none'
DIALCOMMAND='ATDT'
DIALPREFIX=''
DIALPREFIXREGEX=''
#INIT1='ATZ'
#INIT2='AT+CPIN='
INIT3='ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0'
#INIT4='AT+COPS=0,0,"Vodacom-SA",2'
INIT4='AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet"'
MODEM_DEVICE='/dev/ttyUSB0'
NAME='3GModem'
PPPD_OPTIONS=''
PROVIDER='provider2'
SPEED='57600'
STARTMODE='manual'
UNIQUE=''
USERCONTROL='yes'

cat /etc/sysconfig/network/providers/provider2
ASKPASSWORD=''
AUTODNS='yes'
DEMAND='no'
DSLSUPPORTED='no'
IDLETIME='300'
ISDNSUPPORTED='no'
MODEMSUPPORTED='yes'
MODIFYDNS='yes'
PASSWORD='password'
PHONE='*99***1#'
PROVIDER='Vodacom'
STUPIDMODE='yes'
USERNAME='internet'
DEFAULTROUTE='yes'
IPADDR=''
MODIFYIP='yes'
REMOTE_IPADDR=''





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[opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[jdd]

Hello,

I have a quite unpleasant problem. I'm preparing a computer for my 87 
years old mom. She uses a win98 one and can't anymore access most web 
sites (and no modern browser fits the computer)


So it's time to go to a more modern OS :-)

I have a home made from various parts computer, celeron 633 but 450Mo 
ram and 20Mb HDD that runs perfectly under boxed 10.2.


But...

When I plug an usb device on the rear plugs, the computer freezes 
immediately, with not keyboard, no mouse (don't know for the net, this 
one is not networked, but chance is this would not do anything).


there are no messages at all in /var/log/messages.

I I plus the device _before_ switching on, all is nice and works (and 
I can plugin other device too).


any idea? I suspect a HardWare problem, but who knows?

thanks
jdd
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Re: [opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[jdd]

jdd wrote:

Hello,

I have a quite unpleasant problem. I'm preparing a computer for my 87 
years old mom. She uses a win98 one and can't anymore access most web 
sites (and no modern browser fits the computer)


So it's time to go to a more modern OS :-)

I have a home made from various parts computer, celeron 633 but 450Mo 
ram and 20Mb HDD that runs perfectly under boxed 10.2.


But...

When I plug an usb device on the rear plugs, the computer freezes 
immediately, with not keyboard, no mouse (don't know for the net, this 
one is not networked, but chance is this would not do anything).


there are no messages at all in /var/log/messages.

I I plus the device _before_ switching on, all is nice and works (and I 
can plugin other device too).


any idea? I suspect a HardWare problem, but who knows?

thanks
jdd
seems to be a suse problem, because my Kaella cd (french knoppix 
flavor) mounts perfectly the usb device, without freeze


jdd

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[opensuse] switching off the computer

[jdd]

my 10.2 (box) install don't switch off the computer, when the kaella do.

stock install

idea? thanks
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Re: [opensuse] SUSE Style/KickOff Menu

[Will Stephenson]

On Tuesday 10 April 2007, Andrew Carter said:
> Anybody know where the configuration file for the Suse Style Menu and its
> associated icons are located? tnx.

The configuration file is kickerrc, the animated icons that appear in the 
panel are located in kicker's pics dir, and supplementary static icons are in 
kicker's icons dir.

I am being deliberately fuzzy in giving their location so that I have a reason 
to explain how the KDE configuration and icon loader works:  

1) Look in the current user's $KDEHOME - $HOME/.kde by default
   This is $HOME/.kde/share/config for config files and
   $HOME/.kde/share/apps/ for application data.
   Thus the pics could be in $HOME/.kde/share/apps/kicker/pics

2) For icons, look in the user's locally installed icon themes:
   $HOME/.kde/share/icons/...
   Which subdir is used depends which theme is in use; 'default-kde' is a link  
 
   to 'crystalsvg' by default.

3) Look in the system wide KDE installation dir given by $KDEDIRS or /opt/kde3 
   by default for SUSE packages.
   This is /etc/opt/kde3/share/config for config files and
   /opt/kde3/share/apps/ for application data.

4) For icons, also look in the system wide icon themes, eg 
   /opt/kde3/share/icons and
   /usr/share/icons, rules as in 2), 
try 'find /opt/kde3/share/icons/crystalsvg -name system.png'.

Therefore, if you want to change the kicker icons for a user, put substitutes 
for kmenu_basic.mng, kmenu_flipped.mng, kmenu_vertical.mng in 
$HOME/.kde/share/apps/kicker/pics 
and 'bookmark', 'recently_used', 'system', 'player_playlist' and 'leave' in 
the relevant subdirs of 
$HOME/.kde/share/apps/kicker/icons//

and get a customised kickoff like:
http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/52950-2.png

HTH

Will (one of those responsible)

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Re: [opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[M Harris]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 02:48, jdd wrote:
> I I plus the device _before_ switching on, all is nice and works (and
> I can plugin other device too).
>
> any idea? I suspect a HardWare problem, but who knows?
Is it USB 1  or  USB 2  ?




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Re: [opensuse] [zypper] How to remove a unavailable service?

[Will Stephenson]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Alexey Eremenko said:
> try Yast and remove all the bull, this includes zypper and rug.
>
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Or more helpfully, use Yast and it will automatically offer to remove any 
unavailable services.

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[opensuse] SATA Drive and DMA

[John Pierce]

I have not yet found an answer, does setting DMA for SATA drives have
any effect?  Is it even possible?  Does SATA not use DMA?

I am curious.

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Cristian Rodriguez R.]

M Harris escribió:

>>Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance---

both I think :-)

> one hundred zillion people would like to better understand the
> M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and insults...

The way to understand it clearly is :

1. open the novell website in one tab, and the MS site in other
2. read **literally** what the "agreement" says in both sides, leaving
conspirance/paranoictheories out of your mind.
3. after that, get your own opinion based on the written facts ( all the
rest is FUD)

>   If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
> might do 
> well to improve their communication channels... 

I agree that Novell should improve his communication abilities with the
outside world, and specially with it's own "community".

Also agree they should not paid for advertisment in a site that is
clearly ignoring us. (even before novell/MS deal) and publishing crap
that helps to promote FUD about their own products.






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[opensuse] Question about desktop position on display

[Koenraad Lelong]

Hi,
It sounds confusing but I have following problem :
I have a rather old IIyama LCD display, and the desktop slightly 
disappears from the display : on the left side I lose the whole cursor. 
If I try to position it whith the display's buttons, it jumps right back 
 when the diplay leaves its setup-display.
Is there a way to do this in software ? I tried Yasts screen setup but 
clicking the arrows doesn't move the display.

It's no big problem though.
I'm running Suse 10.2, the graphics card is NVidia (GeForce2 MX/MX 400 I 
think).

Thanks for any help.
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[opensuse] [kernel]What is the main difference between pxelinux and isolinux and normal kernel?

[Magiclouds Magicloud]

Dear all,
   I want to make a custom pxelinux for our product

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Re: [opensuse] Elevator Question

[Carlos E. R.]

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El 2007-04-10 a las 23:09 +0400, Aaron Kulkis escribió:

> > Yes, I use ionice. But it is not very usefull, only root can use it. For
> > instance, I have to copy large files, and I'm not really interested in doing
> > it fast, rather to be able to keep working on something else at the same
> > time. So, I fire the copy, find out the pid, then as root I re-io-nice it.
> > That should not require root priviledges.
> > 
> > But your idea of changing the scheduler for a whole device sounds curious. 
> > I usually find kernel documents made for developpers to understand, much is
> > assumed to be known already by the reader. There is only one file that talks
> > about ionice, and not much.
> 
> Why not just nice the copy command from the get go...
> 
> i.e.
> $ nice cp /file/source/big  /file/destination/copy/here

I do, but it's not "nice" enough

The disk is so busy for a long time when copying a half a gig single file 
that the rest of the tasks are sluggish,

I'm not in a hurry over these operations, I just want to continue working 
as usual.

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[opensuse] Bluetooth Printing

[James Mohr]

Hi All!

I looking for information on both the hardware and process of printing from 
Linux using Bluetooth.  There is a list of hardware on holtmann.org, but so 
far all of the printers or printer adapters listed are either no longer 
available or list only support for Windows or Mac. 

We all know that just because the vendor does not explicitely list Linux, it 
does not mean it won't work. So, I am curious as to what success people have 
had and with what products. 

Any info is appreaciated.

Regards,

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Re: [opensuse] [kernel]What is the main difference between pxelinux and isolinux and normal kernel?

[John Summerfield]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 17:04, Magiclouds Magicloud wrote:
> Dear all,
> I want to make a custom pxelinux for our product

If you don't know the answer to your question, I have some concerns about your 
ability to customise any of the three to any great extent.

pxelinux is a boot manager, it's loaded over the LAN using the built-in 
ability of many network cards (and particularly those built into recent 
motherboards), using DHCP to find an IP address, a server address and a file 
name. pxelinux then reads some more file and presents a menu, somewhat as 
grub does.

isolinux is from the same family as pxelinux, but boots directly from a CD. 
Other than that, it's very like pxelinux.

Neither is very useful for very long. Both are small programs, neither 
fulfills any role performed by the Linux kernel, but rather include amongst 
their capabilities the ability to load one amongst several Linux kernels.

The Linux kernel, of course, is the guts of any Linux distro: it includes 
drivers for all the hardware you have, routines to share use of system 
resources such as RAM, CPU, disk and so on. It used to be able to be booted 
directly by the BIOS - that might still be possible with 2.6 kernels - but 
the process is inflexible and rarely used.

btw Grub, with which you are more familiar, also is able to be used to boot 
Linux (and other operating systems) from CD - I just created a CD for that 
purpose a few minutes ago. Grub too, is a small program.

Perhaps you should explain in some detail what you want to do - too often, 
people ask how to do something (and people ask them) when they really should 
be outlining a problem and asking for suggestions on how to solve the 
problem.






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> Thanks.

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Re: [opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[Steffen Winterfeldt]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, jdd wrote:

> jdd wrote:

> > When I plug an usb device on the rear plugs, the computer freezes
> > immediately, with not keyboard, no mouse (don't know for the net, this one
> > is not networked, but chance is this would not do anything).
> > 
> > there are no messages at all in /var/log/messages.
> > 
> > I I plus the device _before_ switching on, all is nice and works (and I can
> > plugin other device too).
> > 
> > any idea? I suspect a HardWare problem, but who knows?

Switch to the screen with kernel messages (console 10, I think) _before_
plugging it in.


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Re: [opensuse] Trouble setting up SAMBA

[G.T.Smith]

Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> On 4/11/07, Lars Norén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you have it installed, you can try YaST: Network services - Samba
>> Server. First tab 'Start' - start Samba during start-up + open port in
>> firewall. Second tab 'Shares' - inactivate everything but Netlogon +
>> mark 'Allow users to share...'. Third tab 'Identity' - I never change
>> anything there. That usually does it for me: sharing folders over the
>> network between Linux and XP - users in Linux decide if they want to
>> share a folder and to what extent (right-click on a folder and choose
>> 'Sharing options').
>> /Lars
>
> 1. Yast didn't help. Shares on, 'Allow users to share...'. is on.
> 2. Firewall is off.
> 3. Users can share only their directories, not entire hard disk.
>
> How to share RW entire hard disk? (like Win98 or XP)
>
Not surprising, I do not not let Yast anywhere my Samba config, has a
bad habit of removing the bits it does not know about, and re-organising
the rest. I am not too sure whether you are using XP home edition or
Professional, Home edition only does workgroups  badly!.

I would spend some time reading the SAMBA HowTo anyway. The problem is
probably in the mapping between XP accounts and samba accounts, but not
knowing the version of XP in use cannot comment further. I suspect there
are no workgroup accounts so everyone is getting as guest  with ro rights.
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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

[Damon Register]

M Harris wrote:
telling me about ( joe ) ... I am always willing to learn new stuff... and 
this little joe editor might do the trick for some of my ( shall I say ) 

Joe is my favorite if for no other reason than I can get the help on
the top of the screen.

modal brain-dead friends...  I mean they are brain-dead in terms of being 
able to navigate a modal editor ( like vi ).

I guess I would rather be brain dead.

universal enough for the unix playing field.  VI is everywhere... Solaris, 

so is the flu

AIX, HP UX, name it... its there...   every unix geek or unix-like geek 
wannabee *must* learn vi, period, end of story... I'm sorry you're just wrong 
about this...   there...  whew... I told you --so there.  :-P

it must have been you about whom this was written.
http://www.nedit.org/features.php?PHPSESSID=5584b573f8054dcccdc6f4e694cf0ac2
"People already exposed to modern GUIs when introduced to UNIX used to 
be (and still are) told to use vi or EMACS. If you complained that any 
product that requires you to invest hours of training just to edit text 
is a stinking abomination from the bottommost pits of hell and you can't 
even figure out how to save your document without a manual, you were 
told that you were wrong, you just had to hit ctrl+alt+meta+escape + the 
phase of the moon and write a small lisp routine without visual 
feedback, and that this is in fact a much more powerful and more 
efficient way to do things, and that GUI editors are baby's toys (since 
most of the ones on UNIX were)."


NEdit was for those who never capitulated to this attitude, and insisted 
on a proper gui-based editor that works the way they were used to on 
other systems, with a focus on ease of use and familiarity for new 
users, so you could be productive right away, without sacrificing power."


Ok, when Xwindows is not running, nedit might not be of any value
(although I thought I remember there being a curses version) but then
there is joe which is a lot nicer IMHO than vi.

Damon Register

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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

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David Brodbeck wrote:
> G.T.Smith wrote:
>   
>> Actually the first thing I do is try to get pico working. Nice little
>> very basic editor, and I would agree with Doug and go a litlle further
>> and say IMHO vi is interesting for those with a masochistic
>> disposition:-)
>> 
>
> I don't like pico because there's no way to jump to the beginning or end
> of the file.  This may have been OK for editing email, which was its
> original purpose, but it's frustrating when you're working with
> configuration files.
>   
Actually, I tend to use pico when I am dealing with modest text files
(e.g. fstab mtab ) where emacs would be overkill, for working with long
scripts, source files  and multiple files I would use other more
appropriate tools (i.e. emacs or eclipse). It is a case of 'horses for
couses' .  In disentangling a mauled setup pico gives just the
functionality required without the intellectual mugging that vi delivers.
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[opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[Matthew Stringer]

Probably a n00b question this but I'll ask anyway:

I've a PC at home that myself, my wife and son use, it runs Windows XP.

Due to endless problems with ad-ware n viruses that no removal software can 
detect forcing me to re-install I've decided that enough is enough and that 
my next machine will be SUSE only rather than dual booting.

I'm happy that most of my apps now have equivalents in Linux (I play with 
keyboards n sequencers and there's been some great progress on that front) 
and use consoles for games.

However there is one stumbling block I'm not sure about.

I often download large files that can take days to complete, using BitTorrent 
or news groups.

On my MS machine I can log off and leave these programs running so that the  
other users can use their desktops and check their mail etc.

Now leaving a non-X application running when you log off is fine, but how 
would you do this with an X based program?

I know I could use command line based applications but that's less desirable.

I spend all day with Linux servers my knowledge of it's desktop is limited by 
comparison!

Cheers

Matthew


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Re: [opensuse] Question about desktop position on display

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Koenraad Lelong wrote:
> I have a rather old IIyama LCD display, and the desktop slightly
> disappears from the display : on the left side I lose the whole
> cursor. If I try to position it whith the display's buttons, it jumps
> right back  when the diplay leaves its setup-display.
> Is there a way to do this in software ?
Have you given the size of its x and y in sax2 or Yast2?

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Re: [opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[jdd]

Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, jdd wrote:


jdd wrote:



When I plug an usb device on the rear plugs, the computer freezes
immediately, with not keyboard, no mouse (don't know for the net, this one
is not networked, but chance is this would not do anything).

there are no messages at all in /var/log/messages.

I I plus the device _before_ switching on, all is nice and works (and I can
plugin other device too).

any idea? I suspect a HardWare problem, but who knows?


Switch to the screen with kernel messages (console 10, I think) _before_
plugging it in.


nothing at all... the computer freezes immediately

and dmesg say (at boot) usbcore, uhci_hcd, usb1 (normal, hub 2 ports)

AFAIK the devices I own a usb1 compatible (and I just tried with a 
stricltly usb1 device, same result)


jdd

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[opensuse] grub stuffup

[scsijon]

could someone please print in a message (not attached) a copy of the 
standard grub file for 10.2 please


was a bad night last night (double shifts two nights in a row) and 
i've done something wrong somewhere


thanks

scsijon

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Re: [opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[riccardo35]

On Wed 11 Apr 2007 11:05, Matthew Stringer wrote:
> I've decided that enough is enough and that
> my next machine will be SUSE only rather than dual booting.

 - VirtualBox will allow you to run XP + what MS stuff you need on a 
Guest Virtual Machine


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[opensuse] USB not mounted in SuSE 10.2

[Cristea Bogdan]

I have a HP Pavilion s7605.fr computer with SuSE 10.2. All works fine
except for the usb device who does not mount even when I am logged as
root. There is no activity in /var/log/messages when the usb device is
plugged in.

The last 10 lines of the messages file, after the usb device was plugged in:

Apr 10 18:10:11 HPAthlon gconfd (bogdan-4627): Resolved address
"xml:readonly:/etc/opt/gnome/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only
configuration source at position 0
Apr 10 18:10:11 HPAthlon gconfd (bogdan-4627): Resolved address
"xml:readwrite:/home/bogdan/.gconf" to a writable configuration source
at position 1
Apr 10 18:10:11 HPAthlon gconfd (bogdan-4627): Resolved address
"xml:readonly:/etc/opt/gnome/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only
configuration source at position 2
Apr 10 18:10:11 HPAthlon gconfd (bogdan-4627): Resolved address
"xml:readonly:/etc/opt/gnome/gconf/gconf.xml.schemas" to a read-only
configuration source at position 3
Apr 10 18:10:28 HPAthlon zmd: Daemon (WARN): Not starting remote web server
Apr 10 18:10:41 HPAthlon gconfd (bogdan-4627): GConf server is not in
use, shutting down.
Apr 10 18:10:41 HPAthlon gconfd (bogdan-4627): Exiting
Apr 10 18:10:43 HPAthlon sudo: bogdan : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/bogdan ;
USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/cat /var/log/messages
Apr 10 18:12:46 HPAthlon sudo: bogdan : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/bogdan ;
USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/cat /var/log/messages
Apr 10 18:12:58 HPAthlon sudo: bogdan : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/bogdan ;
USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/cat /var/log/messages

The usb controller is recognized since, when using the lspci command,
I have the following output:

00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.6 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
00:00.7 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express
Bridge (rev a2)
00:09.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge (rev a3)
00:0a.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP51 SMBus (rev a3)
00:0a.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a3)
00:0b.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0b.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0d.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 IDE (rev a1)
00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1)
00:0f.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a3)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
[Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
[Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
[Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
[Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
02:05.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems FW323 (rev 70)

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Re: [opensuse] Where does one find SuSe 10.2 for a 64 BIT computer?

[James Knott]

Kai Ponte wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 April 2007 07:35:39 pm James Knott wrote:
>   
>> Kai Ponte wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>>> I'll report back as I get involved.
>>>   
>> I've been running 64 bit SUSE on my main desktop system, since last
>> May.  It works fine though there are few 64 bit browser plugins.
>> 
>
> How is a browser plugin 32 or 64 bit? Aren't they text files? 
>
> Oh, wait - you mean like mplayer or flash?
>
> In that case, do you simply run the 32-bit versions of the browsers?
>
>
>   
I do use the 32 bit version of Firefox, though I have the 64 bit verion
of Seamonkey installed.  However, it would be nice if the plugins could
be updated.  There are a lot of 64 bit systems around now.



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Re: [opensuse] BadRAM support in opensuse kernels

[scsijon]

At 11:17 PM 4/8/2007, James Knott wrote:

Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> I remember in the old days, that if floppy's track is bad - I can
> continue working, but if track 0 is bad - then I throw it away. Does
> the same goes for RAM ?

No, the first track contained information about the disk.  Without it,
the disk is useless
> Or I can simply use the good RAM as first, while the BadRAM with
> sector 0 damaged use as second?
>
>
???  Memory doesn't have sectors.



but they do have blocks, don't they

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Re: [opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[Jan Kupec]

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jdd wrote:
> I have a home made from various parts computer, celeron 633 but 450Mo
> ram and 20Mb HDD that runs perfectly under boxed 10.2.
> 
> But...
> 
> When I plug an usb device on the rear plugs, the computer freezes
> immediately, with not keyboard, no mouse (don't know for the net, this
> one is not networked, but chance is this would not do anything).
> 
> there are no messages at all in /var/log/messages.
> 
> I I plus the device _before_ switching on, all is nice and works (and I
> can plugin other device too).

I've had this problem on 10.2, too (with iPod), but now that i've tried
again on 10.3 alpha 1, it seems to be gone.

However, here's what i've been told to try by kernel people: try to
unload ehci-hcd kernel module (run 'rmmod ehci-hcd' as root) and see if
that helps. This will disable USB 2.0, and leave you with 1.1 (there
were reports of such problems when using 2.0)

jano
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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[James Knott]

Alexey Eremenko wrote:
>> let make it more clear...
>>
>> 1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!)
>> granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's
>> customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..)
>
>
> Protection from a what? I understand this as protection from not suing
> SUSE for MS patents, which equals patent license grant.
>
>
It protects the customers, not Novell.  So, if Novell includes MS
patented technology, MS will not sue the users, but may still sue Novell.

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Re: [opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[James Knott]

Matthew Stringer wrote:
> Probably a n00b question this but I'll ask anyway:
>
> I've a PC at home that myself, my wife and son use, it runs Windows XP.
>
> Due to endless problems with ad-ware n viruses that no removal software can 
> detect forcing me to re-install I've decided that enough is enough and that 
> my next machine will be SUSE only rather than dual booting.
>
> I'm happy that most of my apps now have equivalents in Linux (I play with 
> keyboards n sequencers and there's been some great progress on that front) 
> and use consoles for games.
>
> However there is one stumbling block I'm not sure about.
>
> I often download large files that can take days to complete, using BitTorrent 
> or news groups.
>
> On my MS machine I can log off and leave these programs running so that the  
> other users can use their desktops and check their mail etc.
>
> Now leaving a non-X application running when you log off is fine, but how 
> would you do this with an X based program?
>
> I know I could use command line based applications but that's less desirable.
>
> I spend all day with Linux servers my knowledge of it's desktop is limited by 
> comparison!
>
>   
Linux supports multiple desktops, so you could lock yours and the rest
of the family can log in to another desktop.


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Re: [opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[Michael Letourneau]

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> On Wed 11 Apr 2007 11:05, Matthew Stringer wrote:
>> I've decided that enough is enough and that
>> my next machine will be SUSE only rather than dual booting.
>
>  - VirtualBox will allow you to run XP + what MS stuff you need on a
> Guest Virtual Machine
>
>
>  have a Good Day
>

Well I disagree with the above answer.  He is not asking how to run a
Windows XP application, he is asking how to do what he did in Windows on
Linux.  Your answer is for the wrong question.  Albeit a fine answer.

Matthew,

Both KDE and Gnome (and if someone would answer this with the way to do it
in XFCE I would be happy) give you a menu item that says "switch user". 
It allows for the same functionality that you get in Windows XP, being
able to log in as a different user on the same machine.

Alternatively, CNTRL-ALT-F# (where # is 2-6) will give you an alternative
console, text mode initially, where you should be able to log in and then
start a desktop session.

Alternatively, alternatively, you could su to the other user in a console
session, start a vncserver session, and then start a "remote desktop"
client and connect to that session, without having to leave yours at all. 
And that would give you the ability to connect up to those sessions from
any other machine (if you have them) in the house.

There are probably some other methods you could use.  I believe I would
recommend the "Swtich User" option as the easiest.

HTH.

Michael
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Re: [opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[Mark Goldstein]

On 4/11/07, Matthew Stringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Now leaving a non-X application running when you log off is fine, but how
would you do this with an X based program?

I know I could use command line based applications but that's less desirable.

I spend all day with Linux servers my knowledge of it's desktop is limited by
comparison!


At least with KDE you have "switch user" menu item that allows you to
start another session.
You can then switch between sessions using Alt-F7/Alt-F8 and so on.

(I'm using KDE menu style, but almost sure there is the same option in
SuSE style).
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[opensuse] help

[李英杰]

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Re: [opensuse] writing a crontab and don't know where to put it

[G.T.Smith]

John Andersen wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 April 2007, G.T.Smith wrote:
>   
>>> There is no reason to make it executable.
>>> Any text file will do.  It can be located anywhere.
>>>  
>>>   
>> Surely some mistake here, the root cron file in the example would have
>> to executed to so needs execute rights :-) ...  To be honest reply is a
>> bit ambiguous..., but the original suggestion is wildly off the mark ...
>> 
>
> No the root cron file is not executable.  
> Nor it is executed.
> It is merely read by cron and the tasks listed therein are performed
> per schedule.
>
> man cron
> man crontab
>
>   

The manpage  for cron is strictly speaking inaccurate for the SuSE
distribution. There are two sub directories under /var/spool/cron.
/var/spool/cron/lastrun and /var/spool/cron/tabs. It is in the latter
that the table files are kept (not /var/spool/cron directly as the
manpage implies). The former is used by run-crons to store the time
directory locks. BTW a useful way of tweaking when these are run is to
touch the relevant lock file.

Off course, one should not edit the contents of /var/log/cron/tabs
directly :-)  crontab should always be used.

Actually, for the original question it would possibly be best to add the
task to the /etc/crontab file (it is the system crontable). By default
it (in SuSE anyway) just runs the run-crons script, but there is no
reason one cannot add anything else to it. Personally, I would prefer to
use the user crontab for root for operations relevant to the root
account as an account rather than the system as whole.

To get to manpage describing the format of the crontab file you need to
enter...

man 5 crontab


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Re: [opensuse] help

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[opensuse] Re: Putting /boot on a pendrive...

[Ciro Iriarte]

Anyone?

2007/4/9, Ciro Iriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi, i currently run my main workstation with SuSE 10.1 (X86_64) with
2x250GB Sata disks on RAID1, right now i have two arrays, md0 for
/boot and md1 for lvm. I'm planning to upgrade to 3x500GB SATA disks
on RAID5 and would like to manage all the space with lvm to make
things easier (not creating a tiny partition for /boot or having to
worry about grub when replacing disks). Is it posible to put /boot on
a pendrive so that i can have grub and /boot out of my way when
replacing failed disks?


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Re: [opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[Matthew Stringer]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 12:45:48 Michael Letourneau wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Wed 11 Apr 2007 11:05, Matthew Stringer wrote:
> >> I've decided that enough is enough and that
> >> my next machine will be SUSE only rather than dual booting.
> >
> >  - VirtualBox will allow you to run XP + what MS stuff you need on a
> > Guest Virtual Machine
> >
> >
> >  have a Good Day
>
> Well I disagree with the above answer.  He is not asking how to run a
> Windows XP application, he is asking how to do what he did in Windows on
> Linux.  Your answer is for the wrong question.  Albeit a fine answer.
>
> Matthew,
>
> Both KDE and Gnome (and if someone would answer this with the way to do it
> in XFCE I would be happy) give you a menu item that says "switch user".
> It allows for the same functionality that you get in Windows XP, being
> able to log in as a different user on the same machine.

> There are probably some other methods you could use.  I believe I would
> recommend the "Swtich User" option as the easiest.
>
> HTH.
>
> Michael

Ah Ha! Didn't know that button existed, that's perfect.

Thanks for your help.

Matthew


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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

[jfweber]

On Wed April 11 2007 6:32 am, Damon Register scratched these words onto 
a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
> M Harris wrote:
> > telling me about ( joe ) ... I am always willing to learn new
> > stuff... and this little joe editor might do the trick for some of
> > my ( shall I say )
>
> Joe is my favorite if for no other reason than I can get the help on
> the top of the screen.

>
> it must have been you about whom this was written.
> http://www.nedit.org/features.php?PHPSESSID=5584b573f8054dcccdc6f4e69
>4cf0ac2 "People already exposed to modern GUIs when introduced to UNIX
> used to be (and still are) told to use vi or EMACS.

I'm not sure what the problem w/ EMACS is... It will function as a plain 
text editor, and was available on most OSes.

 However, If you are looking for a "notepad" substitute, try Kedit , I 
haven't tried the other variations ( Joe, Nedit etc. )They are all 
attempts at recreating a *familiar* look'n'feel in various ways.. There 
are a lots of editors, from  plain to insane ,available. Please,feel 
free to sample them all.. no cost unless you don't have the boxed set 
or a fat pipe .. downloading some of them could take a while if you are 
just using a modem. Nothing is small and simple any more. 

'Relax,  is linux.'   What you dislike , you probably can change ; if 
not there is bound to be at least one program that could be customized 
to operate as you wish it to do. 

 At the risk of sounding pollyanna-ish, no one will sue you for tossing 
out whatever program you dislike. Just wander thru places like packman, 
kde-apps.org , kde-files.org and countless others  and see what you can 
find.

' relax is Linux ' ,  better even,  is opensuse linux , jump in the 
water is fine.

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Re: [opensuse] SATA Drive and DMA

[Patrick Shanahan]

* John Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-11-07 04:43]:
> I have not yet found an answer, does setting DMA for SATA drives have
> any effect?  Is it even possible?  Does SATA not use DMA?

I find:

:~ hdparm /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 IO_support   = 0 (default 16-bit)
 HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
 HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
 HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
 readonly = 0 (off)
 readhead = 256 (on)
 geometry = 48641/255/63, sectors = 781422768, start = 0

I would say yes, but there appears to be a problem with it on my 10.1
x86_64 2.6.18.8-345-default system.

> I am curious.

As well you should be.  You are on linux, satisfy your curiosity.
There are literally thousands of ways beginning with google, man and
info, and the cl ' --help' functions.

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Re: [opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[Will Stephenson]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Mark Goldstein said:
> (I'm using KDE menu style, but almost sure there is the same option in
> SuSE style).

openSUSE menu button->Leave->Switch User->...

Will

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Re: [opensuse] Elevator Question

[eshsf]

Hello,

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:05:32 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> El 2007-04-10 a las 23:09 +0400, Aaron Kulkis escribió:
> 
> > > Yes, I use ionice. But it is not very usefull, only root can use it. For
> > > instance, I have to copy large files, and I'm not really interested in 
> > > doing
> > > it fast, rather to be able to keep working on something else at the same
> > > time. So, I fire the copy, find out the pid, then as root I re-io-nice it.
> > > That should not require root priviledges.
> > > 
> > > But your idea of changing the scheduler for a whole device sounds 
> > > curious. 
> > > I usually find kernel documents made for developpers to understand, much 
> > > is
> > > assumed to be known already by the reader. There is only one file that 
> > > talks
> > > about ionice, and not much.
> > 
> > Why not just nice the copy command from the get go...
> > 
> > i.e.
> > $ nice cp /file/source/big  /file/destination/copy/here
> 
> I do, but it's not "nice" enough
> 
> The disk is so busy for a long time when copying a half a gig single file 
> that the rest of the tasks are sluggish,
> 
> I'm not in a hurry over these operations, I just want to continue working 
> as usual.

How about using a Best effort class of "ionice"?
An unprivilege user can set a class data[0-7].
Alternatively, you could use sudo.
e.g. 'nice -n19 sudo ionice -c3 busytask' or if running already then
'nice -n19 sudo ionice -c3 -p `pidof busytask`'.
But, since an io priority is lowered, it usually would take time long.


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Re: [opensuse] Bluetooth Printing

[Johannes Meixner]

Hello,

On Apr 11 12:07 James Mohr wrote (shortened):
> I looking for information on both the hardware and process of printing
> from Linux using Bluetooth.

I don't know about the hardware.

For the process of printing via bluetooth, you need additionally
to the "normal" CUPS system (e.g. spooler and printer drivers)
a special CUPS backend which can send the printer-specific data
via bluetooth to the printer.
This CUPS backend is /usr/lib[64]/cups/backend/bluetooth
in the RPM package "bluez-cups".

For basics and general information see
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell


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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse - a MS patent observer?

[Druid]

On 4/11/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Druid wrote:

> right, novell marketing folks? Can you read this? If you can, remind
> next time to not PAY the people that are trying to bring down your
> company, product and your salary

don't follow such advice, you would be charged of censorship...



yeah, jdd, lets make some barbecue and hamburger ads in some
vegetarian community site. What do you think?

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html

And a short PS:

If you think its ok to come here and annoy people about the fucking
deal (and not the novell suits, and not the novell PR, and not the
novell board), but the developers and the users who DID NOT sign any
deal, if you think thats an OK behavior, if you think you are not
being annoying after all this time, if you think that its a normal and
OK position, you can go fuck yourself, and you can go complain about
my lack of politesse in fucking hell.

Dont ask for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick. Period.

You ask to improve communication, clarify the deal? I dont see how
this is improving ths situation: "ah, obviously this cleartype thing
has to do with ms-novell deal, its their fault ahh ahhh
aaahhh "

On 4/11/07, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:21, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
> argh, the level of stupidity and ignorance from both writers and readers
> that believes on this articles is becoming very annoying **sigh**.
>
> /me shakes head.
Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance--- and who is to 
blame
for that... one hundred zillion people would like to better understand the
M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and insults...

If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
might do
well to improve their communication channels... stop swearing... and make
sure that all parties understand clearly what is happening and why.  If there
is ignorance regarding the Novell business relationship with M$ only Novell
is to blame for that.






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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse - a MS patent observer?

[Peter Van Lone]

On 4/10/07, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


right, novell marketing folks? Can you read this? If you can, remind
next time to not PAY the people that are trying to bring down your
company, product and your salary


2 inaccuracies here:

1)really that is not how marketing works. You notice that Microsoft
brings adverts to Linux-focused publications. Why? Because advertising
is about "eyeballs" and name recognition.

2)"Slashdot" is NOT trying to "bring down Novell". How siully. There
are some Slashdot submitters/editors that have this bias, yes. But, I
look at Slashdot each day (I find it a convenient and sometimes
interesting sweep of thing going on) and I must say that I have also
seen some Suse-positive posts and plenty of positive comments to even
the posts that are negative. "Slashdot" is a business ..."they" as an
entity could care less about the fate of Suse.

Finally, I agree that the tone of the slashdot post was ridiculous.
The title "Open Suse hobbled by Microsoft patent agreement" or some
such thing ... plain absurd. Just wrong. The poster (who may have had
an agenda, who knows) failed to do even a tiny bit of looking into the
thing.

P

PS -- please, the name calling and "shouting" at each other is boring.
If you have a take, state it, and then if others argue against it,
argue with a tiny bit of civility. Please.
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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Pueblo Native]

Okay, here's a short, simple question, no FUD, no spin, nothing:  
assuming that we want ClearType functionality, is there any way to 
modify our systems to achieve this result?

Druid wrote:

Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html

And a short PS:





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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

On 4/11/07, Pueblo Native <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Okay, here's a short, simple question, no FUD, no spin, nothing:
assuming that we want ClearType functionality, is there any way to
modify our systems to achieve this result?


http://jamesots.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-to-build-new-freetype.html
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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse - a MS patent observer?

[Druid]

Find me one now after the MS deal, and find one about 10.2 release

have a good day

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On 4/10/07, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:27, Druid wrote:
> Im waiting for the updates, but since you are clueless, Im not sure if
> there will be any
Well, lets see, just a quick poke through the Slashdot archives at 
random
finds enough suse press clues that even a lame druid can understand (if
trolls could read)...  nope not a suse press release for decades
shesh.


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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Peter Van Lone]

On 4/11/07, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html

sk for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick. Period.




why do you insist on top-posting, and using foul language?

Besides the fact that you reduce the credibility of your argument, it
is just embarrassing. Please stop it.

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse - a MS patent observer?

[Marcus Meissner]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:15:54AM -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:
> On 4/10/07, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >right, novell marketing folks? Can you read this? If you can, remind
> >next time to not PAY the people that are trying to bring down your
> >company, product and your salary
> 
> 2 inaccuracies here:
> 
> 1)really that is not how marketing works. You notice that Microsoft
> brings adverts to Linux-focused publications. Why? Because advertising
> is about "eyeballs" and name recognition.
> 
> 2)"Slashdot" is NOT trying to "bring down Novell". How siully. There
> are some Slashdot submitters/editors that have this bias, yes. But, I
> look at Slashdot each day (I find it a convenient and sometimes
> interesting sweep of thing going on) and I must say that I have also
> seen some Suse-positive posts and plenty of positive comments to even
> the posts that are negative. "Slashdot" is a business ..."they" as an
> entity could care less about the fate of Suse.
> 
> Finally, I agree that the tone of the slashdot post was ridiculous.
> The title "Open Suse hobbled by Microsoft patent agreement" or some
> such thing ... plain absurd. Just wrong. The poster (who may have had
> an agenda, who knows) failed to do even a tiny bit of looking into the
> thing.

Slashdot is in for 1 thing, just like any other journal, publicity.

So any controversial topic they can get their hands on is Good News
for them. ;)

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

If you didnt have anything to say in this topic, why have you posted anyway?

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top posting just to annoy you

On 4/11/07, Peter Van Lone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 4/11/07, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
> could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
> even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html
sk for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick. Period.
>

why do you insist on top-posting, and using foul language?

Besides the fact that you reduce the credibility of your argument, it
is just embarrassing. Please stop it.

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse - a MS patent observer?

[Andreas Jaeger]

Btw. here's another official statement from our PR folks:

http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?m=20070410


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Re: [opensuse] Trouble setting up SAMBA

[Alexey Eremenko]

> How to share RW entire hard disk? (like Win98 or XP)
>
Not surprising, I do not not let Yast anywhere my Samba config, has a
bad habit of removing the bits it does not know about, and re-organising
the rest. I am not too sure whether you are using XP home edition or
Professional, Home edition only does workgroups  badly!.

I would spend some time reading the SAMBA HowTo anyway. The problem is
probably in the mapping between XP accounts and samba accounts, but not
knowing the version of XP in use cannot comment further. I suspect there
are no workgroup accounts so everyone is getting as guest  with ro rights.


Well, I have XP Pro - but I use it as XP Home (no user, no password,
full RW access, simple sharing)

Is there any simple GUI to share my hard disk ("/") in RW mode,
without user/password, without Domains and all the bull?
I want it to "just work". (like Win95/98/XP Home does)

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-11-07 09:35]:
 [...]
> top posting just to annoy you

And presenting the mentality of a 12 year-old.  Befitting the
?discussion.

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[opensuse] TV tuners and alikes.

[Jose]

Hi Gents and Ladies,

I am trying to build a multimedia station out of an Compaq EVO,  I've 
been looking for video tuner and video card PCI (no AGP slots on the 
hardware CPU), and with some many options on the market I am lost, there 
is some many cards out there, with ATI chips on board, memory options. I 
am looking for a TV tuner compatible with suse 10.2, and another one 
with video output for TV (main goal is to start as movie player and then 
upgrade the system to work with mythtv), I have a older ATI card, I 
wanted to use, but without a AGP slot, I am forced to buy another one, I 
was looking some cvards that even come with the remote control, but the 
vendors don't know anything about Linux compatibility.


If someone could send me a link to read or any comments I would greatly 
appreciate!!


Thanks in advance for you help

Regards,

Jose

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Re: [opensuse] Where does one find SuSe 10.2 for a 64 BIT computer?

[Philipp Thomas]

* John Boyle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20070411 00:24]:

Where does one find SuSe 10.2  for a 64 BIT computer?

What kind of 64 bit architecture? There are at least powerpc64, s390x, ia64,
sparc64 and alpha besides x86_64 aka AMD64/EM64T.


Philipp
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[opensuse] Tux 500

[jim tate]

I know this is not the place to post this , but this is very important 
for the Linux community to see.


http://www.tux500.com/
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Re: [opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[jdd]

Jan Kupec wrote:


However, here's what i've been told to try by kernel people: try to
unload ehci-hcd kernel module (run 'rmmod ehci-hcd' as root) and see if
that helps. This will disable USB 2.0, and leave you with 1.1 (there
were reports of such problems when using 2.0)


I have no ehci module loaded;

But the problem seems to be with the uhci one.

rmmod uhci_hcd

plug the device (no problem)

modprobe uhci_hcd the device is mountable

but unplug and replug->freeze

I'm probably to do an update (for this I will be obliged to install a 
net card, but I can do this)


jdd


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Re: [opensuse] usb plug freeze the computer

[jdd]

jdd wrote:


but unplug and replug->freeze



and loading first the ehci_hcd module do no good :-(

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:USB_2.0

probably a vanilla usb1 computer...

jdd

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Re: [opensuse] Putting /boot on a pendrive...

[Jerry Feldman]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:29:20 -0400
"Ciro Iriarte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, i currently run my main workstation with SuSE 10.1 (X86_64) with
> 2x250GB Sata disks on RAID1, right now i have two arrays, md0 for
> /boot and md1 for lvm. I'm planning to upgrade to 3x500GB SATA disks
> on RAID5 and would like to manage all the space with lvm to make
> things easier (not creating a tiny partition for /boot or having to
> worry about grub when replacing disks). Is it posible to put /boot on
> a pendrive so that i can have grub and /boot out of my way when
> replacing failed disks?
Is it possible, yes if you can boot from a pen drive.
I would certainly not do that.. 
first, on a hard drive, the boot sector contains a physical address of
the stage1 boot code. The boot process then loads stage1. Stage1 then
loads the specific stage1 for the file system (eg. e2fs_stage1_5) which
then loads /boot/grub/stage2. stage2 then reads the menu.lst (or
grub.conf) and presents the boot menu etc. Since pendrives are normally
FAT devices, the boot should work, but I would not recommend it. I
think you are better off simply setting up a small /boot partition. You
can easily back that up to a pen drive and you can easily boot a
rescue CD.


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switch user - was Re: [opensuse] Multi-user desktop question

[Gavin Chester]

On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 14:37 +0200, Will Stephenson wrote: 
> On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Mark Goldstein said:
> > (I'm using KDE menu style, but almost sure there is the same option in
> > SuSE style).
> 
> openSUSE menu button->Leave->Switch User->...
> 
> Will

FYI:

Having multiple sessions open for multiple users is easy once you've
know the 'trick', and you can do it with any distro and any window
manager by virtue of 'X'.  IOW, kde makes it easy via the menu option,
but you can do it without kde, too.  You can even have one user logged
into the same machine using kde, and then another using gnome and
another using icewm, whatever you choose.  It's all to do with virtual
terminals.  Here's how:

1/ hit ctrl+alt+F2 for the first new virtual terminal (VT); ctrl+alt+F3
for the next; and. so on up to F6, if needed.   
2/ you will get prompted with the basic black-screen login in each VT.
Enter a user name and password.  Some systems will allow more than one
login for the same user so you can login as yourself in the new VT.
3/ enter this command to start your default window manager in VT #1 =>
"startx -- :1".   
4/ You can specify a window manager different to your default by
entering the relevant command, such as "startx gnome-session -- :1"
"startx kde -- :1"  "startx icewm -- :1"  Note the syntax must be
exactly as given or it won't work.
5/ you can switch back to your original session by hitting ctrl+alt+F7
at any time and then back over to your new VT by hitting ctrl+alt+F8.
6/ if you want to you can lock your first session to protect it from
another user before hitting ctrl+alt+F2 for them to login into their new
session while yours is still running.

It sounds a bit daunting, but it's really easy once you get the hang of
it, and then you're free to do it using any system and any window
manager.  HTH.

Gavin 

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Re: [opensuse] TV tuners and alikes.

[Dave Crouse]

http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9184
I wrote that awhile back..

Mines a Winfast 2000xp
Works fine with Suse and Arch Linux both.

Tutorial I wrote for ArchLinux is here:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tvcard

Some useful info:

Below is a list of cards and their respective numbers

0 - AutoDetect
1 - MIRO PCTV
2 - Hauppauge old
3 - ST
4 - Intel
5 - Diamond DTV2000
6 - AVerMedia TVPhone
7 - MATRIX-Vision MV-Delta
8 - Fly Video II
9 - TurboTV
10 - Hauppauge new (bt878)
11 - MIRO PCTV pro
12 - ADS Technologies Channel Surfer TV
13 - AVerMedia TVCapture 98
14 - Aimslab VHX
15 - Zoltrix TV-Max
16 - Pixelview PlayTV (bt878)
17 - Leadtek WinView 601
18 - AVEC Intercapture
19 - LifeView FlyKit w/o Tuner
20 - CEI Raffles Card
21 - Lucky Star Image World ConferenceTV
22 - Phoebe Tv Master + FM
23 - Modular Technology MM205 PCTV, bt878
24 - Askey/Typhoon/Anubis Magic TView CPH051/061 (bt878)
25 - Terratec/Vobis TV-Boostar
26 - Newer Hauppauge WinCam (bt878)
27 - MAXI TV Video PCI2
28 - Terratec TerraTV+
29 - Imagenation PXC200
30 - FlyVideo 98
31 - iProTV
32 - Intel Create and Share PCI
33 - Terratec TerraTValue
34 - Leadtek WinFast 2000
35 - Chronos Video Shuttle II
36 - Typhoon TView TV/FM Tuner
37 - PixelView PlayTV pro
38 - TView99 CPH063
39 - Pinnacle PCTV Rave
40 - STB2
41 - AVerMedia TVPhone 98
42 - ProVideo PV951
43 - Little OnAir TV
44 - Sigma TVII-FM
45 - MATRIX-Vision MV-Delta 2
46 - Zoltrix Genie TV
47 - Terratec TV/Radio+


Below is a list of Tuners and their respective numbers.

tuner=n type of tuner chip
--

tuner=0 Temic PAL (4002 FH5)
tuner=1 Philips PAL_I (FI1246 and compatibles)
tuner=2 Philips NTSC (FI1236,FM1236 and compatibles)
tuner=3 Philips (SECAM+PAL_BG) (FI1216MF, FM1216MF, FR1216MF)
tuner=4 NoTuner
tuner=5 Philips PAL_BG (FI1216 and compatibles)
tuner=6 Temic NTSC (4032 FY5)
tuner=7 Temic PAL_I (4062 FY5)
tuner=8 Temic NTSC (4036 FY5)
tuner=9 Alps HSBH1
tuner=10 Alps TSBE1
tuner=11 Alps TSBB5
tuner=12 Alps TSBE5
tuner=13 Alps TSBC5
tuner=14 Temic PAL_BG (4006FH5)
tuner=15 Alps TSCH6
tuner=16 Temic PAL_DK (4016 FY5)
tuner=17 Philips NTSC_M (MK2)
tuner=18 Temic PAL_I (4066 FY5)
tuner=19 Temic PAL* auto (4006 FN5)
tuner=20 Temic PAL_BG (4009 FR5) or PAL_I (4069 FR5)
tuner=21 Temic NTSC (4039 FR5)
tuner=22 Temic PAL/SECAM multi (4046 FM5)
tuner=23 Philips PAL_DK (FI1256 and compatibles)
tuner=24 Philips PAL/SECAM multi (FQ1216ME)
tuner=25 LG PAL_I+FM (TAPC-I001D)
tuner=26 LG PAL_I (TAPC-I701D)
tuner=27 LG NTSC+FM (TPI8NSR01F)
tuner=28 LG PAL_BG+FM (TPI8PSB01D)
tuner=29 LG PAL_BG (TPI8PSB11D)
tuner=30 Temic PAL* auto + FM (4009 FN5)
tuner=31 SHARP NTSC_JP (2U5JF5540)
tuner=32 Samsung PAL TCPM9091PD27
tuner=33 MT20xx universal
tuner=34 Temic PAL_BG (4106 FH5)
tuner=35 Temic PAL_DK/SECAM_L (4012 FY5)
tuner=36 Temic NTSC (4136 FY5)
tuner=37 LG PAL (newer TAPC series)
tuner=38 Philips PAL/SECAM multi (FM1216ME MK3)
tuner=39 LG NTSC (newer TAPC series)
tuner=40 HITACHI V7-J180AT
tuner=41 Philips PAL_MK (FI1216 MK)
tuner=42 Philips 1236D ATSC/NTSC
tuner=43 Philips NTSC MK3 (FM1236MK3 or FM1236/F)
tuner=44 Philips 4 in 1 (ATI TV Wonder Pro/Conexant)
tuner=45 Microtune 4049 FM5
Some useful links perhaps:

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BTTV/modprobe.html

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Leadtek_WinFast_2000

http://linuxlabs.biz/articles/tvcard.html


Hope that helps ;)

Crouse






On 4/11/07, Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Gents and Ladies,

I am trying to build a multimedia station out of an Compaq EVO,  I've
been looking for video tuner and video card PCI (no AGP slots on the
hardware CPU), and with some many options on the market I am lost, there
is some many cards out there, with ATI chips on board, memory options. I
am looking for a TV tuner compatible with suse 10.2, and another one
with video output for TV (main goal is to start as movie player and then
upgrade the system to work with mythtv), I have a older ATI card, I
wanted to use, but without a AGP slot, I am forced to buy another one, I
was looking some cvards that even come with the remote control, but the
vendors don't know anything about Linux compatibility.

If someone could send me a link to read or any comments I would greatly
appreciate!!

Thanks in advance for you help

Regards,

Jose

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[opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[david rankin]

Mates,

   What is the best way to get and install the 2.6.20 kernel on Suse 10? 
Are there development binaries somewhere? Do I have to compile from source? 
I am doing this because I need the version 1.3 dri kernel driver. Any other 
suggestions.


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Re: [opensuse] Where does one find SuSe 10.2 for a 64 BIT computer?

[Kai Ponte]

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 10:38:05 pm Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > In that case, do you simply run the 32-bit versions of the browsers?
>
> We by default use the 32bit Firefox on x86_64 machines.

That is kind of what I figured. I don't imagine there is a serious performance 
hit loading slashdot using a 32-bit browser vs. a 64-bit browser.

Kind of OT, but how does SUSE/64 handle 32-bit programs? Is there - and I'm 
showing my NT roots - a VDM that runs? Is it a sandbox of sorts with all 
32-bit apps running in a virtual space or is each process given a separate 
heap/stack?

I googled and read a little thing about how the libraries are kept, but that's 
all I could find.


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Re: [opensuse] Creating a custom LiveCD / auto discover and load modules

[Kevin Adler]

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 12:35:26 am tleslie wrote:
> what your looking for is the init (binary, compiled C) in the openSuse
> live DVD/CD distro.
> not sure what this wouldn't do for you , that you want?
> works fine for the liveDVD i produce.
> All needed modules are in the initrd.gz on the liveDVD,
> if you mkinitrd on a installed distro it is only going to include
> modules you need, not the standard shit load you need on a live distro.
> The init binary on the liveDVD will run through pci-ids and modprobe the
> necessary modules for you.
>
> -tl
>
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 18:34 -0500, Kevin Adler wrote:
> > I'm trying to create my own live cd and in the process learn more about
> > how linux works. I started out by modifying my initrd from my laptop and
> > things were working nicely until I tried to test it on my desktop.
> > Unfortunately, I could not detect any of the hard drives on my desktop
> > machine because none of the correct modules were loaded. So I kompared
> > the two init scripts from my laptop and desktop initrd and it seems they
> > are tailored to each system. In order to boot on other sorts of hardware
> > I need a more generalized form. I decided to try and see how the initrd
> > works from the installation disk, but that runs the linuxrc program.
> > Although this method does determine all the correct modules to load, it
> > is written in C, isn't commented very well, and includes everything
> > needed to get the installer going, which is way more than I need and more
> > than I care to wade through. I think there must be something simpler.
> >
> > So what I'm looking for is a way to discover which modules a system needs
> > to load and then load them. It seems like it should be somewhat simple to
> > do once I get over the initial hurdle.
> >
> > Any hints or pointers to other resources would be helpful. I've found
> > quite a lot already, but I just can't seem to figure out this one
> > particular.

Thanks, I'll look in to this.
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Re: [opensuse] writing a crontab and don't know where to put it

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

dwain wrote:
> Please help me tame this snarling beast so I can update automatically f-prot.
>
>   
Did you check out kdesu kcron?  As mentioned, you can run it via Run
Command from a right click on the Desktop, or type in kdesu kcron in a
terminal window.  Try it, you will like it.  It makes it very easy to
handle cron without learning 10 different editors. :-)

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Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[Jose]

david rankin wrote:

Mates,

   What is the best way to get and install the 2.6.20 kernel on Suse 
10? Are there development binaries somewhere? Do I have to compile 
from source? I am doing this because I need the version 1.3 dri kernel 
driver. Any other suggestions.


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[opensuse] maximum swap used

[Dave Howorth]

Is there a command to discover the maximum swap space used? (since boot,
  or since resetting a counter, for example)

Thanks and regards,
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Re: [opensuse] SATA Drive and DMA

[Greg Freemyer]

On 4/11/07, John Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have not yet found an answer, does setting DMA for SATA drives have
any effect?  Is it even possible?  Does SATA not use DMA?

I am curious.


In general SATA controllers absolutely use DMA and only fail back to
the much slower PIO mode if there is lots of errors.

If you want to see what is going on with libata (the new SATA/PATA
kernel driver subsystem, check out the archives for the
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it various places.  Personally I use
http://marc.info/?l=linux-ide&r=1&w=2

FYI: My workstation is PATA so I can't verify what userland tool to
use to check the DMA status.

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Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[Stuart]

Jose,

I installed from source pulled from kernel.org.  I don't know if there are rpms 
anywhere for this.

Stuart

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>From: Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 11, 2007 11:48 AM
>To: david rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: Suse Linux 
>Subject: Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10
>
>david rankin wrote:
>> Mates,
>>
>>What is the best way to get and install the 2.6.20 kernel on Suse 
>> 10? Are there development binaries somewhere? Do I have to compile 
>> from source? I am doing this because I need the version 1.3 dri kernel 
>> driver. Any other suggestions.
>>
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Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[Jonathan Ervine]

Stuart wrote:
> Jose,
> 
> I installed from source pulled from kernel.org.  I don't know if there are 
> rpms anywhere for this.
> 

There is always kernel of the day (kotd) on software.opensuse.org - I've
just looked and it seems it's up to 2.6.21-rc6 at the moment, which
might be a bit 'raw' for your needs. But it does come in handy RPM
format :-)

http://software.opensuse.org/download/Kernel:/

Jon
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Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[Jose]

Stuart wrote:

Jose,

I installed from source pulled from kernel.org.  I don't know if there are rpms 
anywhere for this.

Stuart

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From: Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 11, 2007 11:48 AM
To: david rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Suse Linux 
Subject: Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

david rankin wrote:


Mates,

   What is the best way to get and install the 2.6.20 kernel on Suse 
10? Are there development binaries somewhere? Do I have to compile 
from source? I am doing this because I need the version 1.3 dri kernel 
driver. Any other suggestions.


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Hi

Nope, I don't think so, I had to build from scratch, I don't know of any 
distro using that version already. Even 10.2 does not come with that 
version.


Here is a link for kernel compiling, free to download on pdf format:

http://www.kroah.com/lkn/

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[opensuse] Mysql question

[James Hatridge]

Hi all,

I have records with the date in DD-MM-, but mysql wants them in 
-MM-DD. Is there anyway of changing Mysql's format?

Thanks,

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[opensuse] Setting up WinXP VM (Xen)

[Terje J. Hanssen]

My VT-enabled Dell Precision 490 Xeon workstation with 2GB RAM came
preinstalled with WinXP on the disk. I've installed SUSE with Xen server
as a
dualboot installation and wish now set up a VM to run WinXP full
virtualized.

My question is:
Is it required to install WinXP (once more) from the install media,
which requires another 4GB disk space and additional user space? 
Or, is it possible in some way to utilize the already preinstalled
WindXP, possibly how to do it?

Rgds,
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Re: [opensuse] Mysql question

[Adam Tauno Williams]

> I have records with the date in DD-MM-, but mysql wants them in 
> -MM-DD. Is there anyway of changing Mysql's format?

I don't EVER use MySQL;  but with most databases this is just a matter
of changing your locale.  Should be doable via an environment variable
(client side) or a parameter in your DSN/connection-string.

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Re: [opensuse] maximum swap used

[Mark Goldstein]

On 4/11/07, Dave Howorth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is there a command to discover the maximum swap space used? (since boot,
  or since resetting a counter, for example)



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Re: [opensuse] Mysql question

[Hans du Plooy]

On Wed, April 11, 2007 17:54, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> I have records with the date in DD-MM-, but mysql wants them in
>> -MM-DD. Is there anyway of changing Mysql's format?
>
> I don't EVER use MySQL;

Please don't make a statement like that without explaining why.  I can
think of a few reasons, but I don't know everything and I'm sure more
people on this list would now why.

Hans

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Re: [opensuse] Mysql question

[I . B .]

there are plenty of functions to work with DATE in mysql, check  this:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/date-and-time-functions.html

~ig

On 4/11/07, Hans du Plooy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, April 11, 2007 17:54, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> I have records with the date in DD-MM-, but mysql wants them in
>> -MM-DD. Is there anyway of changing Mysql's format?
>
> I don't EVER use MySQL;

Please don't make a statement like that without explaining why.  I can
think of a few reasons, but I don't know everything and I'm sure more
people on this list would now why.

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Re: [opensuse] Setting up WinXP VM (Xen)

[rkather]

Quoting "Terje J. Hanssen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


My VT-enabled Dell Precision 490 Xeon workstation with 2GB RAM came
preinstalled with WinXP on the disk. I've installed SUSE with Xen server
as a
dualboot installation and wish now set up a VM to run WinXP full
virtualized.


I see VT enabled so;


My question is:
Is it required to install WinXP (once more) from the install media,
which requires another 4GB disk space and additional user space?
Or, is it possible in some way to utilize the already preinstalled
WindXP, possibly how to do it?


It is not required that you reinstall WinXP as you can boot from the raw block
device with VT enabled Xen.

For example; If your XP install is on the first partition of your IDE drive it
would be /dev/hda1.

Ryan




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Re: [opensuse] Elevator Question

[Bill Anderson]

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 13:29 -0500, Jon Nelson wrote:
  

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Bill Anderson wrote:



I noticed that the default elevator applies to everything, including USB
memory sticks. I thought the block device driver would change the I/O
scheduler to something more appropriate for a memory stick, such as the noop
scheduler. I switched to the noop scheduler for just the memory stick, and
there was an improvement in performance. I haven't done a detailed statistical
analysis to verify my empirical impression.

I have a few questions:
1) Is there a reason for the block device driver not changing the I/O
scheduler to noop?
2) How do I modify HAL to change the I/O scheduler when it detects that a
hotplug for a memory stick?
  

I can't answer (1), and (2) is probably pretty easy.
However, let me offer an alternative:

set the *default* I/O scheduler (there /are/ several schedulers, you 
know) to noop and then at boot time re-set your HDD (or whatever local 
devices you want to change back) to "anticipatory" (or whatever you 
use).



Perhaps this is related to an issue I am starting to look in to. I have
a system with a number of PCI I/O cards (firewire, video, SCSI, network)
as well as the good old serial ports (16550-based - not PCI). In some
system loads (not excessive) I see that the serial port driver starts to
report data overruns. I also see missing characters in GPS data read
over the serial port at this time. I am trying to see why these overruns
are happening. The serial port is operating at 38400. The 16550 can only
buffer 16 characters in hardware. So the device driver must service the
hardware within that time or data will be lost (handshake issues aside -
eventually some buffer can get full). Could it be that some device
driver has a higher priority and is blocking the serial port driver from
servicing the hardware? I am running whatever default priorities are in
SUSE 10.0. Am I looking in the right direction?.

  
The I/O Scheduler is part of the General Block I/O Layer. The Block I/O 
Layer provides a generic interface to VFS to access block devices. Your 
problem is with Character I/O, and is a totally different issue. The 
kernel is, in a sense, a server that responds to interrupts and system 
calls. Is there a chance that this a shared interrupt, and the card is 
an ISA card that doesn't handler shared interrupts? The interrupt 
handler runs in interrupt context, so is not subject to the process 
scheduler. However, the bottom-half of the interrupt driver may run in 
process context, which would make it subject to the process scheduler. I 
am trying to think of the steps to trace this symptom to the actual 
problem. I need to think about this one.


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Re: [opensuse] Mysql question

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 18:05 +0100, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> On Wed, April 11, 2007 17:54, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> >> I have records with the date in DD-MM-, but mysql wants them in
> >> -MM-DD. Is there anyway of changing Mysql's format?
> > I don't EVER use MySQL;
> Please don't make a statement like that without explaining why. 

This list is not the appropriate place to debate the relative merits of
various RDBMS.

This preface was to indicate that this is not a suggestion from specific
experience.  But the locale is always the first thing I would check on
any RDBMS regarding something like date format - it is what *SHOULD* be
the controlling factor. 

>  I can
> think of a few reasons, but I don't know everything and I'm sure more
> people on this list would now why.

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Re: [opensuse] Mounting root (/) read only with touchscreen

[Theo v. Werkhoven]

Wed, 11 Apr 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[ 8< ambiguous question ]
> The fact that it didn't work with "ro" whereas I needed the root's
> partition to be mounted as "ro". I just explained that it worked with "rw"
> is to elaborate you guys that the driver is actually working. But not if
> it's mounted with "ro". Sorry for the confusion. I just didn't have enough
> experience with Linux in general.

Mounting / ro is not how the FS is meant to be used, so any problem
you encounter (and it won't be just some X app) is your own.
If you want to mount e.g. /bin, /sbin, /boot or /mnt ro then I can
understand that, but / is just too general.

Btw: please do not toppost, i.e.: answer under the section(s) you
want to reply to, and delete the unrelated rest.

> BTW, I've looked at the file "/var/log/boot.msg". It said that the driver
> needed to change some files in "/etc/X11/" and in
> "/usr/src/linux/include/asm". So, I made a tarball of the folders
> "/etc/X11/"  and "/usr/src/linux/include/asm" and do the same thing to
> them like "/var" and "/tmp" (extracting them to "/dev/shm" and linked
> "/dev/shm/X11" & "/dev/shm/asm" to "/etc/X11" &
> "/usr/src/linux/include/asm"). It worked now. Well at least so far it
> worked.

But for other apps you'll need to do other hacks. Soon you'll be
busy with nothing but finding ways around a problem which might be
solved easier in another way.
What exactly is your problem that you want to mount / ro?

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Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[david rankin]

From: "Jonathan Ervine"
Stuart wrote:

Jose,

I installed from source pulled from kernel.org.  I don't know if there 
are rpms anywhere for this.




There is always kernel of the day (kotd) on software.opensuse.org - I've
just looked and it seems it's up to 2.6.21-rc6 at the moment, which
might be a bit 'raw' for your needs. But it does come in handy RPM
format :-)

http://software.opensuse.org/download/Kernel:/

Jon


Jon,

   How do I find out if the 2.6.16 kernel on opensuse.org contains the 
[dri] i915 kernel module version 1.3 or greater? I would like to do a rpm 
kernel install if possible. Where can I check the version of the i915 kernel 
module in 2.6.16?



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Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[david rankin]

From: "Jose"
Stuart wrote:

Jose,

I installed from source pulled from kernel.org.  I don't know if there 
are rpms anywhere for this.


Stuart

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From: Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 11, 2007 11:48 AM
To: david rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Suse Linux 
Subject: Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

david rankin wrote:


Mates,

   What is the best way to get and install the 2.6.20 kernel on Suse 
10? Are there development binaries somewhere? Do I have to compile from 
source? I am doing this because I need the version 1.3 dri kernel 
driver. Any other suggestions.


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Hi

Nope, I don't think so, I had to build from scratch, I don't know of any 
distro using that version already. Even 10.2 does not come with that 
version.


Here is a link for kernel compiling, free to download on pdf format:

http://www.kroah.com/lkn/

Hope it helps



Great link, Thanks. I haven't compiled the kernel from source before, but if 
I made it through compiling Xorg, Mesa and drm, there is no reason not to 
try. The only concern I have is how to make sure I get all of the pieces and 
modules that the kernel supplied by opensuse includes. Will my .config from 
the 2.6.13 kernel source I got from yast work with the new kernel source 
from kernel.org? I just don't want to thrash my system by accident...


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Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

[david rankin]

From: "Stuart"
Jose,

I installed from source pulled from kernel.org.  I don't know if there are 
rpms anywhere for this.


Stuart

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From: Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 11, 2007 11:48 AM
To: david rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Suse Linux 
Subject: Re: [opensuse] How to install 2.6.20 kernel on opensuse 10

david rankin wrote:

Mates,

   What is the best way to get and install the 2.6.20 kernel on Suse
10? Are there development binaries somewhere? Do I have to compile
from source? I am doing this because I need the version 1.3 dri kernel
driver. Any other suggestions.

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Ok, then if I pull the latest kernel source from kernel.org, then (from a 
previous post by Per Jessen) is this still the routine for building and 
installing the new kernel?? What about make xconfig and make mrproper??? I 
want to try to get a concise list of steps that will allow me to take my 
10.0 install from 2.6.13 to the latest kernel. Any other steps I'm missing??



Assuming we're talking 2.6.x, you get the
latest and greatest kernel, unpack it into /usr/src/linux-x.x.x,
create a symlink linux->linux-x.x.x
cd linux
make menuconfig
make
make modules_install
make install.
lilo/grub.

done.


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RE: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64 RAM disk & server lock ups

[David Wilson]

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your reply.
The deadlocks seem to happen at random times. Yesterday the servers did not
deadlock at all - though today 1 server deadlocked 3 times.
There seems to be no pattern.

>From what I've seen the space used in the tmpfs disk never exceeds 300Mb -
though perhaps at some time something is going wrong and the tmpfs is
filling up ? I will set a size limit tomorrow and will provide feedback.

Thanks so much for your input so far !


 
Kind regards
 
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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Colvin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 April 2007 08:52 AM
To: suse-linux-e@suse.com
Subject: Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64 RAM disk & server lock ups

On Tuesday 03 April 2007 09:05:24 David Wilson wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> How are you keeping ?
>
> I have three Opensuse 10.2 x86_64 installations running on separate
> HP-ML370G4/5 servers (Dual Xeon).
>
> Both systems have 4gigs of RAM each.
>
> On these systems I'm running Asterisk which provides telephony for a 100
> seat call center.
>
> The conversations that are recorded by Asterisk are recorded to
> /var/spool/asterisk/monitor which is a tmpfs/shm file system and
configured
> as follows in my /etc/fstab:
>
> shm  /var/spool/asterisk/monitortmpfs   defaults0
0
>
>
> On a daily basis each of these servers will 'dead lock' i.e. completely
> freeze. When this happens the servers do not respond to the keyboard or
> even 'ping'.
>
> I've also experienced the same problem on a totally different non HP
custom
> built server running the same OS (OpenSuse 10.2).
>
> If I disable the RAM disk and record the conversation straight to hard
disk
> then everything is fine - the servers do not lock up. Unfortunately I have
> to use the RAM disk due to performance issues with writing the recordings
> straight to disk.
>
> I have a script that runs every minute that moves the completed recordings
> from RAM disk to hard disk, so it's not getting too full.
>
> Any ideas where my problem could lie or how I can enable some type of RAM
> disk debugging to find out where things are going wrong ?
>
>
You say that they deadlock on a daily basis.  Have you correlated it to the 
number of calls taken by that server each day or is it always at the same 
time?

I have experienced freezes when a rogue process consumes my memory so that I

end up with no physical or swap free.  You are using an unrestricted tmpfs, 
could the memory consumption be slowly growing.  Can I suggest you set a 
maximum size of your tmpfs for one machine and see if that helps.

Andrew
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Re: [opensuse] Setting up WinXP VM (Xen)

[Alexey Eremenko]

While I don't really run Xen, there is a new Virtualization software available.
check:
www.virtualbox.org

and my guide of VirtualBox on openSUSE:
http://www.violtan.com/ae/virtualbox.html

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[opensuse] Re: Mysql question

[James Hatridge]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 19:05, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> On Wed, April 11, 2007 17:54, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> >> I have records with the date in DD-MM-, but mysql wants them in
> >> -MM-DD. Is there anyway of changing Mysql's format?
> >
> > I don't EVER use MySQL;  but with most databases this is just a matter  
> >of changing your locale.  Should be doable via an environment variable
> >(client side) or a parameter in your DSN/connection-string.

I don't think this is what I want to do. I only want to change it on one 
database. The others are fine. If I can't change mysql, is there a way to 
reverse the date in the file before I put it in mysql?

> Please don't make a statement like that without explaining why.  I can
> think of a few reasons, but I don't know everything and I'm sure more
> people on this list would now why.
>
> Hans

Personally I use mysql because many many years ago I learned Dbase 3+, when I 
changed to Linux I found that mysql was almost the same as Dbase. So it was 
easy to learn. There might be better databases, but mysql is fine for every 
thing I do.

Thanks,

JIM


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[opensuse] Micro pauses, or CPU spikes?

[Clayton]

I've been trying to chase down an extremely annoying problem I've been
having.  On what you could almost call heartbeat regularity, roughly
once ever 2 to 3 seconds, my computer has been doing a micor-pause.
One of the CPUs (AMD X2 3800+) spikes to 100% and everything freezes
for a fraction of a second.  You don't notice it unless you're
watching a video file or playing a game... then it becomes annoying to
the extreme.

I don't have zmd installed.. or beagle... so I started looking into
the processes running... stopping or killing one and seeing if it made
a difference.  I traced it down to ruby.  If ruby is running I get the
regular CPU spike.  Kill it... problem is gone.  I can't uninstall
ruby without pulling down Amarok as well.  Not much of an option.

I know that Ruby is a scripting language... beyond that not a lot...
question is, how is it that Ruby is killing my performance so much.
If it's a scripting language.. what is it doing that spikes my CPU to
100%... or what would be using it and spiking the CPU with whatever
it"s doing.

Amarok hums along just fine with Ruby dead and gone.. no functionality
is lost in Amarok - that I can see.

Has anyone else noticed this issue?  Any suggestions or ideas what is going on?

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Re: [opensuse] Micro pauses, or CPU spikes?

[Alexey Eremenko]

If I would take a wild guess, I would say, disable XGL ! ! !

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Re: [opensuse] Micro pauses, or CPU spikes?

[Dylan]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Clayton wrote:

>
> Amarok hums along just fine with Ruby dead and gone.. no functionality
> is lost in Amarok - that I can see.

Is Amarok running a script you don't use which is triggering ruby to start in 
the first place?

Dylan

>
> Has anyone else noticed this issue?  Any suggestions or ideas what is going
> on?
>
> C.


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Re: [opensuse] Micro pauses, or CPU spikes?

[Clayton]

If I would take a wild guess, I would say, disable XGL ! ! !


It's not running right now either.  It is installed, but not
started... and for what it's worth I have no issues running XGL.
My system hums along fine with it running or using regular X.


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Re: [opensuse] Micro pauses, or CPU spikes?

[Randall R Schulz]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 12:20, Dylan wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Clayton wrote:
> > Amarok hums along just fine with Ruby dead and gone.. no
> > functionality is lost in Amarok - that I can see.
>
> > Has anyone else noticed this issue?  Any suggestions or ideas what
> > is going on?
> >
> > C.
>
> Is Amarok running a script you don't use which is triggering ruby to
> start in the first place?

Undoubtedly. Perhaps one of those things that proclaims to the world 
(via a Web page, blog, email or whatnot) what music you're listening to 
at the moment.


> Dylan
>


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Re: [opensuse] Micro pauses, or CPU spikes?

[Clayton]

> Amarok hums along just fine with Ruby dead and gone.. no functionality
> is lost in Amarok - that I can see.

Is Amarok running a script you don't use which is triggering ruby to start in
the first place?


Checked that just now... no scripts are (currently) started according
to the script manager.  It could be a script which is spawning
Ruby don't know what though...

Oh, and Amarok is not set up to monitor a directory for new music...
so it's not polling the hard drive.

A little experimenting... it's the Fetch Lyrics sript that is spawning
Ruby - starting the script starts Ruby, and stopping the script stops
Ruby.  Ok, so now I know what is likely starting Ruby... I wonder what
is going wrong that makes Ruby spike the CPU like that.  Weird...

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Re: [opensuse] Mysql question

[Kai Ponte]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 09:42:36 am James Hatridge wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have records with the date in DD-MM-, but mysql wants them in
> -MM-DD. Is there anyway of changing Mysql's format?
>

Um, my suggestion would be to do some kind of CAST or CONVERT. I'm not so 
familiar with MySQL in terms of raw Transact-SQL, but in most cases you can 
do this.

Given a text file (that is your source, right?) you can add as part of your 
INSERT statement something like a part of the string so you can piece it 
together. I don't know if you're using a program (C, PHP) or just SQL. In 
SQL, you would need to perform a lot of manipulation. You'd be better using 
Kate (or Vi) to parse the file yourself.


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[opensuse] source packages in YaST2

[Central Scrutinizer]

Hi all.  I want to install some source packages and I have added the
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/src-oss/
repository in YaST -> Software -> Installation Source, but nothing new
shows up in YaST Software Management.  I could download them manually
from the repository, but I'd prefer to have YaST manage the packages
and I'm not sure what to do here.  Can anyone help?
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