Re: Pentax photography of fairies.

2001-04-09 Thread petit miam

OK, so I made a mistake. And I didn't say the 1950's.
I will let you know more when I see it on TV this
Friday.

 Yup. They hadn't discovered video yet. I recall some
 sort of
 absurd 19th century work that was purportedly to be
 fairies in a
 garden. I think that photographer was in England.
 William Robb


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Re: Re[2]: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)

2001-04-09 Thread petit miam

Thankyou.

 I would have thuft that was obvious. It rhymes with
 'cough' and
 'through' and 'although'.


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RTF

2001-04-09 Thread petit miam

A silly question: What's RTF? I guess the F is for flash.

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Re: Subject: Re: Ebay Auction... - private (very OT!)

2001-04-09 Thread petit miam

You learn something every day. Although by now I think
I know everything :)

 Plow :) i never realised americans spelt it like
 this :)


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RE: Re[3]: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)

2001-04-09 Thread petit miam

I love it. Sent it to my Dad who will get a good laugh
out of it.

 Ze drem vil av finali kum tru!


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Re: RTF

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb

I think it is "ReTractable Flash" Anyway they are the little
prism mounted ones.
William Robb
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 A silly question: What's RTF? I guess the F is for flash.

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RE: RTF

2001-04-09 Thread Bucky

Retractable Ttl Flash?

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I think it is "ReTractable Flash" Anyway they are the little
prism mounted ones.
William Robb
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 A silly question: What's RTF? I guess the F is for flash.

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Re: RTF

2001-04-09 Thread Jeff Tokayer

I'd say it means Retractable TTL Flash

Jeff

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Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread petit miam

And they call that modern technology? My Spotmatic
will do that, not to mention my MZ-30.

Jody.

 2. Mid-roll Rewind
 You can rewind in the middle of the roll on an MZ-S.
 However, if you would like to re-use the roll, you
 have to
 write down the frame number, and to wind up to that
 frame
 manually. (Of course with your lens cap on. :-)) 
 There is
 no automation on this function.  They recommend that
 you
 should wind up one or two frames more, in order to
 prevent
 from accidental multi exposure, for it's not so
 precise.


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RE: RTF flash (was:ME viewfinder (was Re: Zenitar 16/2.8 Fisheye))

2001-04-09 Thread Rob Brigham

You can use it to trigger the wireless slave function of the new
external flash.  I was thinking that I would happily lose it too, until
I thought 'ooh, I could bounce the main flash off the ceiling, and use
the RTF for a bit of fill in, without any messing about getting
technical!'

This may not be practical, but it sounds interesting right now...

Rob Brigham

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Isn't it odd then that the MZS has one?
James Brooks
Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
Never met a photographer who liked them, the snapshooters seemto love
them
though (or is thuf?).
BTW, my definition of aphotographer is someone who wants to control
the
picture, a snapshooter
just wants a pic, not necessarily a good pic, just a pic.--Tom




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Vs: RTF flash (was:ME viewfinder (was Re: Zenitar 16/2.8 Fisheye))

2001-04-09 Thread Raimo Korhonen

It is a good thing to have. If you do not like it, do not use it, but you may need it 
sometime.
All the best!
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Isn't it odd then that the MZS has one?
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Vs: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread Raimo Korhonen

I still wonder how Minolta claims the camera can do it. How the camera can read the 
(imprinted?) film data - imprinted data becomes visible only after the film is 
developed and you would not need to reuse a developed film, would you?
It seems that the camera assigns a number for each film - like dn1-0004 shown in 
PopPhoto article. So you access Custom Function 3 to leave the film tip out and when 
reloading somehow tell the camera this number and so it reloads and transports film to 
the next unexposed frame. Absolutely useless feature - if you need to write down the 
film number, you could more easily write down the frame number and wind on to this 
number. 
All the best!
Raimo
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Aihe: Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd


Raimo wrote:

 Yes - but you would still need to somehow tell the camera which film it is - unless 
the camera can read the imprinted data - it might do so with the film is developed 
;-). So this does not mean sense and no, Minolta can not do it either.
 All the best!


Well, Minolta claim they can. This is a paste from Minolta Europe about the Dynaxx 7:

"Select-Frame Film Transport 
The Dynax 7's Select-frame Film Transport provides real convenience when using 
several rolls of film in parallel or when making multiple exposures with bracketing. 
With it, the photographers can unload and reload a partially exposed roll of film, or 
advance or rewind the film to a desired frame. This function not only minimizes the 
time and pain inherent to the reloading procedure, but also greatly facilitates 
multiple-exposure photography with bracketing. "

Dynaxx 9:

"Mid Reload 
Mid Reload is a valuable convenience that automatically advances a partially exposed 
roll to the frame selected by the photographer. With this innovative function, manual 
work required in the conventional reloading operation is substantially eased, 
minimizing the time and risk of accidental double exposure. Mid Reload can be 
accessed through Custom Function No. 3."

It seems like you basically just tell the camera which frame you want it to start 
exposing from. My understanding was that this feature was present in the MZ-S. 

Takehiko wrote:

"But Paal, don't you think it's easier to memorise a frame
on the very roll than to memorise the frame on a different
rolls?  I think the rep meant that, in order to automate
re-winding up, a body must leave some information on a roll. 
If a roll used magnetic, like on an APS, it might be
possible.  However, I can't even imagine how to memorise
the very frame on a different roll."

REPLY:

Automation can be achieved by say pressing the DOF-preview button (or another button) 
while loading a new film. This way you could tell the camera that its the rewinded 
roll you have put into the camera and then it could automatically wind to the first 
unexposed frame on that roll. The memory part should be easy to achieve; its already 
there. The camera is able to memorize one roll. It shouldn't take much making it 
memorize another one (or several).
Alternatively, it could be possible to just dial in the frame number before you close 
the back while loading. 

Pl



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MZ-S in US [Fwd: Product Quote]

2001-04-09 Thread tom

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Re: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)

2001-04-09 Thread Norman Baugher

Unless you're Dan Quayle, then you say "potatoe"...
Norm

Peter Smith wrote:

 You say "potato" and we say "potato"


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Vs: mirror lenses - 600 mm Sigma

2001-04-09 Thread Raimo Korhonen

I have tested it long time ago and found it quite good. I regret not buying it. I 
later tested also 8/500 Tamron and Tokina mirror lenses and the Sigma is much better.
All the best!
Raimo
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Hi all

I am intested in people's opinions of the Sigma 600mm F8 mirror lens.  I
would like a long lens but don't have the money for a prime and weight is a
factor too.  I know mirrors are a compromise with bokeh and fixed aperture
etc but I wondered how well this particular lens performed compared to other
500 or 600mm versions.

Cheers
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Vs: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread Raimo Korhonen

Hold on - there is another possibility. I just checked what is actually printed on a 
film cartridge and there is a bar code. Can the Minolta read this? If it can why do 
they not say so?
All the best!
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I still wonder how Minolta claims the camera can do it. How the camera can read the 
(imprinted?) film data - imprinted data becomes visible only after the film is 
developed and you would not need to reuse a developed film, would you?
It seems that the camera assigns a number for each film - like dn1-0004 shown in 
PopPhoto article. So you access Custom Function 3 to leave the film tip out and when 
reloading somehow tell the camera this number and so it reloads and transports film to 
the next unexposed frame. Absolutely useless feature - if you need to write down the 
film number, you could more easily write down the frame number and wind on to this 
number. 
All the best!
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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread Martin Corro

Another approach would be to have say n memories where the camera would
store the number of frames already shot for n rolls. All you have to do is
write down in the roll what memory goes with that roll.
Example
Memory #1: 23 frames shot
Memory #2:   8 frames shot
..
Memory #n: 15 frames shot

When you change the roll you dial the number of the corresponding memory,
and voila, the camera winds to that frame plus 1.

What do you think?

Martin

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
FA31Ltd)


Martin wrote:


 My question:
 But what happens to the 12 or 24 frames rolls?? Does the camera know how
to
 diferentiate each one  (12, 24 or 36 frames)?


You got me there. Anyway, the idea was pretty silly to start with. Its
equally simple to dial in frame number (like Minolta and apparently the MZ-S
works) as roll number. With this frame number system you can switch between
as many roll as you like.

Pl

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Subject: Australian Release date for MZ-S

2001-04-09 Thread Tanya Russell Mayer

Paul wrote:

"I thought the Aussies amongst us may be interested to know that the C R =
Kennedy web site has a description of the MZ-S, nothing we don't already =
know, with the release date anticipated as July."

Hey Paul, you beat me to it! I was just about to post that too!

fairy.



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Re: Vs: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread Todd Stanley


The bar code, I think, is identical on all rolls of the same type.  I think
the best way to do this memory feature is to assign roll numbers to the
rolls, and instead of the camera counting frames to get back to where it
left off, have it count sprocket holes, that way you can be really precise.  

Todd

At 04:36 PM 4/9/01 +0200, you wrote:
Hold on - there is another possibility. I just checked what is actually
printed on a film cartridge and there is a bar code. Can the Minolta read
this? If it can why do they not say so?
All the best!
Raimo
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I still wonder how Minolta claims the camera can do it. How the camera can
read the (imprinted?) film data - imprinted data becomes visible only after
the film is developed and you would not need to reuse a developed film,
would you?
It seems that the camera assigns a number for each film - like dn1-0004
shown in PopPhoto article. So you access Custom Function 3 to leave the
film tip out and when reloading somehow tell the camera this number and so
it reloads and transports film to the next unexposed frame. Absolutely
useless feature - if you need to write down the film number, you could more
easily write down the frame number and wind on to this number. 
All the best!
Raimo
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http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen




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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread Cy Galley

Why not have the camera notch the film edge when exposed? or burn a spot in
the sprocket hole area? Then when inserted, the film would wind past the
last mark and stop ready to take the next picture. For double exposures, it
could be backed up or just not advanced. That some chip programming but it
should be very easy to do.

Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor  EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com

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From: "Martin Corro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
FA31Ltd)


 Another approach would be to have say n memories where the camera would
 store the number of frames already shot for n rolls. All you have to do is
 write down in the roll what memory goes with that roll.
 Example
 Memory #1: 23 frames shot
 Memory #2:   8 frames shot
 ..
 Memory #n: 15 frames shot

 When you change the roll you dial the number of the corresponding memory,
 and voila, the camera winds to that frame plus 1.

 What do you think?

 Martin

 -Original Message-
 From: Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:47 AM
 Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S
and
 FA31Ltd)


 Martin wrote:


  My question:
  But what happens to the 12 or 24 frames rolls?? Does the camera know how
 to
  diferentiate each one  (12, 24 or 36 frames)?


 You got me there. Anyway, the idea was pretty silly to start with. Its
 equally simple to dial in frame number (like Minolta and apparently the
MZ-S
 works) as roll number. With this frame number system you can switch
between
 as many roll as you like.

 Pl

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Re: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Norman Baugher"
Subject: Re: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)


 Unless you're Dan Quayle, then you say "potatoe"...

I was trying to remember who said that.
William Robb

"If you teach people to read, they will be able to pass literacy
tests"
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RE: Subject: Re: bad processing

2001-04-09 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

William Robb wrote:
[A very complete and detailed set of answers to my questions on color
processing, color and grayscale reference standards, and color correction --
snipped here for brevity, but see his excellent note posted on 4/7/01, 0240
GMT]

Thanks for the detailed reply!!  This answers a lot of mysteries.  One more
argument for scanning one's own negatives (and/or shooting slide film
instead of print film).  Much appreciated!  The idea of matching inexpensive
paint samples to a "real" Macbeth standard sounds like a great way to go.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY

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Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #564

2001-04-09 Thread Jeff

Though recently, as I will be a new father in a few weeks, cringe at the
thought of having to shoot and print pics... surely there MUST be an easier
way even if the numbers don't crunch properly???

The Coolpix does well with relatively stationary objects or those that move
in a single plane of distance from the shooter; once things start moving, I
wish it had the focus speed of a proper SLR which got me thinking about the
MZ-S (digital)...

Guess I will have to make do with my brother's Canon when he's not
looking...

Cheers.

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 Subject: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #564
 
 Now, if digital photography was a work tool for me, of course I would
 choose to adopt early, even if that meant paying through the nose. But work
 tools are an ordinary cost of business, and should be justified on
 the basis of their return on investment. In that scenario, were I a working
 paid photog, I would crunch the numbers to see if it made sense to invest in
 a digital SLR, even if that was instead of, or in addition to, my
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Re: Subject: Re: bad processing

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Peifer, William [OCDUS]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 9, 2001 8:32 AM
Subject: RE:  Subject: Re: bad processing


 William Robb wrote:
 [A very complete and detailed set of answers to my questions
on color
 processing, color and grayscale reference standards, and color
correction --
 snipped here for brevity, but see his excellent note posted on
4/7/01, 0240
 GMT]

 Thanks for the detailed reply!!  This answers a lot of
mysteries.  One more
 argument for scanning one's own negatives (and/or shooting
slide film
 instead of print film).  Much appreciated!  The idea of
matching inexpensive
 paint samples to a "real" Macbeth standard sounds like a great
way to go.

Something that consistently appalls me about threads such as
this is the apparent difficulty in finding good quality C-41
processing and printing. The job does need a certain level of
intelligence and skill (Can you walk, talk and chew gum without
tripping or biting your tongue?), but it is not rocket science.
WD-40, instant coffee and Tang are rocket science.
OTOH, where I live, there are only three labs out of about 18
that I would trust my film to.
Glad to help out.
William Robb


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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread Eric Lawton



Martin wrote:


  My question:
  But what happens to the 12 or 24 frames rolls?? Does the camera know how 
to
  diferentiate each one  (12, 24 or 36 frames)?


I believe that the DX film coding contains this information.

Eric
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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Cy Galley" 
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan
2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)


 Why not have the camera notch the film edge when exposed? or
burn a spot in
 the sprocket hole area? Then when inserted, the film would
wind past the
 last mark and stop ready to take the next picture. For double
exposures, it
 could be backed up or just not advanced. That some chip
programming but it
 should be very easy to do.

Yup, this could be a new feature on the new Minolta Maxxum
12FLEBO.

Here is a sample add copy:

"Finally, a camera that not only thinks like a photographer,
but has the ability over time to interact with its owner. The
new Maxxum 12 FLEBO is the camera the world has been waiting
for.
How can a camera do all this?
First, we mounted a razor sharp needle in the viewfinder
area. The first time you raise the camera to your eye, this
needle is injected past your eye into your brain, thereby
lobotomizing you.
We can't make a smarter camera, so we had to make a dumber
photographer.
A new feature added to this extraordinary camera is the "Eye
BurnOut" feature.
We mounted a laser in the camera body pointing backwards. Over
time, this feature will burn a hole in the camera back, and will
eventually burn out the photographers eye.
We can't make sharp lenses, so we have to make photographers who
can't see, just to stay competitive.
The Maxxum 12 FLEBO, only from the minds of Minolta".

Sorry Tom, if I owe you another beer.
William Robb




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Favorite Film Roll Call Results UPDATE 1

2001-04-09 Thread Albano_Garcia


These are the conditions:
1 - You must answer off-list, right to me.
2 - You must choose your favorite emulsion (35 and 120/220 allowed. Color and b
and w)
3 - You must choose ONLY ONE.
4 - You must have personal experience with it.

WINNER by now: Kodak Tri-X with 5 votes

Members: 23

COLOR (Print and Slide):

Kodak Kodachrome 25 (1)
Fuji Velvia (1)
Kodak Kodachrome 64 (1)
Kodak Elitechrome Extra Color (1)
Kodak Ektachrome 100 VS (2)
Fuji Sensia II 100 (1)
Kodak Portra 160 NC (1)
Kodak Kodachrome 200 (1)
Kodak Supra 200 (1)
Kodak Max 400 (1)
Kodak Ektapress PJ 400 (1)
Kodak Portra 400 NC (1)
Agfa HDC 400 (1)
Kodak Portra 800 (1)
Fuji Press 800 (1)

BLACK AND WHITE:

Kodak Plus-X (1)
Kodak Tri-X (5)

INFRARED:

Kodak HIE (1)


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Favorite Lens Roll Call Results UPDATE 8

2001-04-09 Thread Albano_Garcia

These are the conditions:
1 - You must answer off-list exclusively. On-list votes will not be included.
2 - You must choose Your Favorite Pentax Lens. ONLY ONE. Yes, ONLY ONE.
3 - It must be original, no third-party allowed.
4 - Primes and zooms.
5 - You must specifiy: Tak, Super Tak, SMC Tak, K, M, A, F, FA, etc.
6 - You must have personal experience with it, no matter if you have it, had it,
lost it, sold it, borrowed it, but you must have used it. If not it would be a
wish list.

First Place (4 votes): FA* 24 2


Members: 84

K 15 3.5 (1)
A 15 3.5 (1)
A 20 2.8 (1)
K 24 2.8 (3)
A 24 2.8 (1)
FA* 24 2 (4)
M 28 2.8 (1)
A 28 2 (1)
K 28 3.5 Shift (1)
FA 35 2 (1)

M 40 2.8 (3)
FA 43 1.9 Limited (1)
SuperTak 50 1.4 (1)
SMC Tak 50 1.4 (1)
SMC Tak 55 1.8 (2)
K 50 1.2 (2)
M 50 1.4 (3)
M 50 1.7 (2)
M 50 4 Macro (1)
A 50 1.4 (3)
FA 50 1.4 (2)
FA 50 1.7 (1)
K 55 1.8 (1)

FA 77 1.8 Limited (2)
SMC Tak 85 1.8 (1)
K 85 1.8 (1)
M 85 2 (1)
A* 85 1.4 (2)
FA* 85 1.4 (2)
M 100 4 Macro (1)
M 100 4 Dental Macro (1)
A 100 2.8 (1)
A 100 2.8 Macro (2)
FA 100 2.8 Macro (3)
K 105 2.8 (2)
K 135 2.5 (1)
A 135 2.8 (1)
Tak 200 3.5 Preset (1)
A* 200 2.8 (1)
A* 200 4 Macro (2)
A* 300 2.8 (1)
F* 300 4.5 (2)
FA* 400 5.6 (1)

FA 20-35 4 (3)
M 24-50 4 (1)
FA 24-90 3.5-4.5 (1)
F 35-70 3.5-4.5 Macro (1)
A 35-105 3.5 (2)
K 45-125 4 (1)
M 75-150 4 (2)
A 70-210 4 (1)
A 80-200 4.7-5.6 (1)
FA* 80-200 2.8 (1)

6x7 SMC 45 4 (1)
6x7 SMC Tak 55 3.5 (1)
6x7 SMC 55 4 (1)



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Bodies Roll Call Results UPDATE 83

2001-04-09 Thread Albano_Garcia

Please send the messages to me directly, to not disturb other members, thanks.
Also, I've not included 110 and digital cameras, just because I started this
way, and I didn't want to change in the middle of the way.
Also, if you already submited and want to add new items, please put clearly in
your message: this is not my first submission, so I don't put you twice in the
total answers.
Thanks to all contributors.



TOTAL ANSWERS: 366 members

MANUAL FOCUS:

Screw Mount:

- Asahiflex IIa3
- Asahiflex IIb2
- Asahi Pentax (AP)3
- K2
- SL...8
- SV...9
- S1a.10
- S2...1
- S3...3
- SP500...10
- SP1000..10
- Spotmatic...32
- Spotmatic II13
- Spotmatic IIa1
- Spotmatic SP23
- Spotmatic SP II..7
- Spotmatic F.33
- Spotmatic F MD...2
- Spotmatic MD.3
- ES..14
- ES II...20
- ElectroSpotmatic.3
- H1...2
- H1a..5
- H2...4
- H3...7
- H3v..5

Bayonette:

- KM14
- KX37
- KX MD..1
- K228
- K2 DMD.8
- K1000.71
- K1000 SE...9
- MX...115
- ME36
- ME SE..1
- ME Super.111
- ME Super SE4
- MV.6
- MG12
- LX...122
- Super Program.65
- Super A...39
- Program Plus..15
- Program A.10
- A3000..3
- A3.2
- A3(date)...1
- P3.6
- P3n7
- P308
- P30n...1
- P30t..11
- P5.6
- P502
- ZX M..18
- MZ M...9

AUTOFOCUS:

- ME F..11
- SF 1...6
- SFX3
- SF 1n..6
- SFXn...9
- SF 7...2
- SF 10..6
- PZ 1..18
- PZ 1 SE1
- Z123
- PZ 1p.65
- Z1p...39
- PZ 10..5
- Z 10...2
- PZ 20.10
- Z 20...4
- Z 50p..1
- PZ 70..6
- Z 70...2
- Z5.1
- MZ 3..16
- ZX 5...9
- MZ 5..12
- ZX 5n.49
- MZ 5n.34
- ZX 7...9
- MZ 7...6
- ZX 10..9
- MZ 10.12
- ZX 30..6
- MZ 30..1
- ZX 50..6
- MZ 50..7


MEDIUM FORMAT:

- 64517
- 645n3
- 6x712
- 67..9
- 67 II...6



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Re: Subject: Australian Release date for MZ-S

2001-04-09 Thread Jon Hope

At 22:11 9/04/01, fairy wrote:
Paul wrote:

"I thought the Aussies amongst us may be interested to know that the C R =
Kennedy web site has a description of the MZ-S, nothing we don't already =
know, with the release date anticipated as July."

Hey Paul, you beat me to it! I was just about to post that too!

I got a hard copy of that about a month or so back from the Pentax rep in 
Perth. There was nothing in it that no one knew about so I didn't bother 
doing anything with it.

CR Kennedy has a sales thingy on at present in Bali (or maybe it was last 
week, time flies). Lucky buggers. I get told there should be an MZ-S or two 
floating around Australia when the sales thingy finishes. Hopefully one of 
them finds it's way to Perth so I can have a play with it for a while.

I hear that WA sold more Pentax cameras in the December quarter than any 
other state in Australia. I wonder if that means they'll get first dibs 
with the MZ-S. :-)

Cheers


Jon

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Re: Error in Lens Resolution Tests!

2001-04-09 Thread Yoshihiko Takinami

Hi,

At 8 Apr 2001 22:49:52 -0700 (PDT),
petit miam [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Try also checking the email address at the top. I do
 not believe it belongs to Yoshihiko.

Thanks petit miam.

It wasn't I at all who sent the original message.
--
Yoshihiko Takinami
Osaka, Japan
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RE: Favorite Film Roll Call

2001-04-09 Thread Andy Harbin

Color Slide:
Fuji Sensia II

Color Print:
Kodak Porta 160NC

C41 BW
Kodak T400CN

Andy Harbin

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Re: mirror lenses

2001-04-09 Thread Jan van Wijk

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:45:41 +1200, Robertson, Alastair wrote:


I am intested in people's opinions of the Sigma 600mm F8 mirror lens.  I
would like a long lens but don't have the money for a prime and weight is a
factor too.  I know mirrors are a compromise with bokeh and fixed aperture
etc but I wondered how well this particular lens performed compared to other
500 or 600mm versions.

I have that Sigma, and quite like it. I have used it several times to capture fast
moving objects with the lens mounted to a monopod. (Powerboat racing).

It is very light and handles well, making it a better choice sometimes
than the A* 300mm + TC wich I also have.

It is true that the bokeh is sometimes disturbing, you can get strong
donut-shaped highlights depending on the lighting situation.

Sometime, when I have more time I will put some of those Powerboat shots
up on my WEB gallery ...

Regards, JvW

-
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RE: Favorite Film Roll Call

2001-04-09 Thread Andy Harbin

Doh!  That was supposed to go just to Albano!

Sorry all!

Andy

 -Original Message-
From:   Andy Harbin  
Sent:   April 9, 2001 1:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Favorite Film Roll Call

Color Slide:
Fuji Sensia II

Color Print:
Kodak Porta 160NC

C41 BW
Kodak T400CN

Andy Harbin

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Re: Push Processing C-41

2001-04-09 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from "Bill D. Casselberry" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:01:17 -0800
Read it? y
   Under normal circumstances I "rate" the CN at 320, as well. 
   The key element in my comment specific to CN above is the
   "requiring as fas a shuter speed as possible".

With lots of light, I rate T400CN at 250, or use a flash to overexpose
it.  With low light, I've found that you can rate it at 1600 for very
thing negs, or 3200 for a smaller range if you push the film one or
two stops.  In this case, the C41 colour shifts don't matter (duh!)
but you do lose dynamic range.

dave
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Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread Dan Scott

Denis wrote:


 Don't know about sealing.
 But I have other theme: under back cover (film cover) of the body I saw many
 (something around 12-15) contact plates. And IMHO it not for battery grip...
 Looks like something can be attached to the camera's back...


...but remember that the standard back have controls for AF. I agree
though that 12-15 sems a bit too much for this use only. BTW doesn't the
bottom of the camera have 16 contacts? Doesn't it seem a bit much just for
the battery grip? Now these contacts are for comunication between the
battery pack and the body; not for power supply.


Pl


You could really fit a lot of memory or a very powerful computer into an
object the size of a battery grip. Does Pentax have any patents on
computerized items of that sort?

Dan Scott
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Re: ME viewfinder (was Re: Zenitar 16/2.8 Fisheye)

2001-04-09 Thread Lasse Karlsson

Allow me to state a different opinion on this. I wouldn't ditch the RTF for a .98x 
magnificaton of the viewfinder.
I like the RTF as on my MZ5. I think it's very good and comes very handy (given it's 
limitations and although not as versatile as my 500FTZ). 
(And anyone on this list can call me anything: - a snapshooter, a dilettant,  a 
photographer, a pro etc :) )

Lasse, (not too impressed by the various definitions and labeling of different kind of 
picture shooters.)

Tom R. wrote:
 Never met a photographer who liked them, the snapshooters seem
 to love them though (or is thuf?).  BTW, my definition of a
 photographer is someone who wants to control the picture, a
 snapshooter just wants a pic, not necessarily a good pic, just a
 pic.
 --Tom
 
 
 William Robb wrote:
  
  - Original Message -
  From: "Anthony Farr" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: April 6, 2001 3:01 AM
  Subject: Re: ME viewfinder (was Re: Zenitar 16/2.8 Fisheye)
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: "William Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
Show of
hands:  How many folks would ditch the RTF on a ZX-5n
(or MZ-S for that matter) for a .98x magnification
viewfinder?  Mine's raised.
   
Thanks,
   
William in Utah.
   
  
   Absolutely YES, but I suppose you already knew that.
  Anthony Farr
  
  Yup. I hate the little buggers anyway.
  William Robb

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Re: K-Mount Lens Envy: Stop Wishing--Settle

2001-04-09 Thread John Francis

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 85mm: Why WAIT FOREVER for any 85/1.8K, or an affordable 85/1.4A*, when you
 can have an 85/2M or Tamron 90/2.5 for about $200? And if you will do most
 of your 85mm shooting at f/4 or wider, may I suggest an 85/1.8 in
 screwmount, for about $250 + adapter?

When I buy an 85/1.4, it will be because I want that extra speed;
f2.8 just isn't fast enough.  The mount adapter isn't really a very
good solution if you are changing lenses frequently.

 2oomm: Why WAIT for an affordable 200/2.8A* --it ain't gonna happen--

Really?  Mine only cost me $400.  That's affordable enough for me!

 300mm: Why WAIT for an affordable 300/2.8, when you can have a 300/4A*, or
 a 300/4.5F or FA, or any number of fine third-party choices? Are you really
 gonna lug a 300/2.8? Me? I've decided I wouldn't take enough 300mm shots to
 justify any length of this focal length.

I took more shots this weekend with my 300/2.8 than with all my other lenses
combined.  Quite a few of the shots were taken with the 1.7AF adapter. Using
any TC with an f4.5 lens (or a 2x TC with an f4) is too limiting for me. But
in general I'd recommend prospective purchasers take a look at the Tamron 300;
it's to all intent as good as the Pentax, far cheaper, and turns up reguarly
on the used market priced at $1000 or so (depending on condition  accessories).

-- 
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(650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991
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Re: OT: Theater photo film choice (Brian's ramblings)

2001-04-09 Thread Paul . Stregevsky

That's exactly what I've done for years, ever since reading this advice in
the late 70s from Modern Photography's film expert, whose name was
something like Rothbard. He routinely dialed in 2/3 additional exposure to
help ensure saturation and detail.

I often forget to add exposure when shooting into a mildly backlit
condition or one where a bright sky dominates. So if I feel the roll will
be used mostly for grab shots, it's not uncommon for me to shoot 800 ISO
film at +1.33 stops, or ISO 330. Never had any problems with excessive
contrast.




Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a customer who routinely push processes Portra 160VC for effect.
His results are excellent...quite poppy colour, but not overcontrasty.
Here's the catch: he does NOT underexpose the film!  He actually
overexposes it by about a stop and a half (I think he said he rates it
at ISO 50).  This gives him a very clean white highlight, almost blocked
up, and the "push" processing lowers the contrast enough that the final
result is more printable.

- -Aaron


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Re: ME Shutter cocked indicator

2001-04-09 Thread John Francis

Peter Smith wrote:
 
 I used only an MG for a while (similar spec to ME).  It's a useful way to
 re-think exposure modes.  I argued that it was both aperture priority and
 shutter priority and programmed.  How?

Why bother with getting an MG?   Just get a K1000, ar anything with match-
needle metering.

 I could never figure the benefit of true multi-modes except that they
 stopped you having to think.  (I happily use them now though).

They (and all other automation features; AF, TTL flash, ...) eliminate
the necessity of you performing routine drudgework the camera can do
just as well.  In fact the camera is far better at certain tasks (such
as adjusting the exposure as you pan between bright sunlight and shadow,
or monitoring the light received during exposure by using OTF metering).

But using *any* automation features without thinking is rather silly.
I think before selecting the mode, confident that I can make the camera
do what *I* want it to.

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(650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991
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eFilm? Re: MZ-S (digital)

2001-04-09 Thread sheftick

I imagine this may have been brought up before but I did 
not see it. I am interested in the new eFilm which fits 
into your normal SLR and has 1.3 megapixels with the 
equivalent of 100 speed film. I think it'll take 24 
exposures and then let you dump them into a CF card and 
the go again.

Of course it is only currently offered for a couple of 
Canons and nikons. Hopefully they would eventually 
expand it to Pentaxes.

The price tag of $699 or $799 is a killer but you 
wouldn't need a new digital body. I like the concept.

-Mark Sheftick
 My brother recently purchased the Canon D30 and I had the opportunity to
 spend some time using it this past weekend.
 
 Though I regularly use a Coolpix 880 and have been extremely happy with the
 quality of the photos (when properly used, beats the pants off of print
 scans on a consumer scanner), there is something to be said about the pure
 satisfaction of using a proper SLR body with a good lens (he had the 28-70
 2.8), not to mention the quality of the pictures overall!
 
 I find I'm in a bind (as will probably other members of the list, I suspect)
 when it comes to digital photography. My primary output medium is through
 the Web so the digital space is definitely my first choice; however, while
 quality on recent consumer-grade cameras is extremely good, I miss the
 ability to use a proper selection of lenses (which I currently do have...).
 
 Also, the ability to shoot a "roll" of shots and to get immediate feedback
 and reshoot if necessary is a great thing!
 
 I'm cringing at the thought of the price of the MZ-S (digital) whenever it
 will be released and can only hope that their 2nd generation model with all
 the enhancements follows shortly...
 
 Cheers.
 
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OT: grandfather mountain

2001-04-09 Thread jeepgirl

Didn't we set up a site for discussing grandfather mountain that was not on
this list?  I never went to it... crashed my computer (again)... lost the
address... and now I want to the site.  Man am I hard to get along with.  :)
Do we have any more people going then the last time i checked?
Jeepgirl (Who will now be driving a yellow jeepinstead of a white one)


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Re[2]: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread Paul . Stregevsky

Somebody should inform Contax.

However, the rep clearly told me that it is IMPOSSIBLE, for there is no
means to memorise to which frame was exposed on the film.


Paul Franklin Stregevsky

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Re: Re[2]: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 9, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd


 Somebody should inform Contax.

Please expand on that thought Paul. The way 35mm film comes out
of the box, there is no tool in place for the film to
communicate with the camera, beyond the rudimentary information
provided by the DX encoding on the cassette. I would be curious
to know how Contax has overcome this limitation, using the film
to communicate the frame it must be advanced to when reloaded
after being partially used, which was the context of the
original post.
Thanks
William Robb


 However, the rep clearly told me that it is IMPOSSIBLE, for
there is no
 means to memorise to which frame was exposed on the film.


 Paul Franklin Stregevsky


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Re: Push Processing C-41

2001-04-09 Thread Paul . Stregevsky

Didn't most wedding pros expose Vericolor VPS 160 at 120?

Part of the stated ISO is a marketing game that does not precisely
correlate to the ISO density tests. label it conservatively (call an 800
film 640), and you can promote it as a film that is more tolerant of
underexposure. Lable it liberally (call an 800-speed film a 1000), and you
can sell more to users who won't figure out it's the film's fault when
their slightly dark prints come back.

If you are Kodak, and you develop an emulsion that was intended to sell as
a 200 amateur film but that tests out as a ISO 180, you're not going to
market it as an ISO 180 film. The stockers at Wall Mart wouldn't know which
bin to put it in.

Does anyone really know what the ISO value of the original GOLD Max was? I
think I read 640. ith that film, as I recall, Kodak did not even print the
ISO on the box. However, the DX holes set the camera to ISO 800. Kodak
relied on the film's high contrast to handle underexposure.


William Robb wrote:

I really don't think I know enough to tell Kodak or Fuji that
their emulsion designers don't know what they are doing.
William Robb



Paul Franklin Stregevsky

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Re: ME viewfinder (was Re: Zenitar 16/2.8 Fisheye)

2001-04-09 Thread Norman Baugher

Amateur hack!! G
Norm

Lasse Karlsson wrote:

 snip Lasse, (not too impressed by the various definitions and labeling of 
different kind of picture shooters.)

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SPF/SP - ideal lens for landscapes?

2001-04-09 Thread Paul . Stregevsky

If we are to believe one EBay seller who decided to write anything to set
apart his Sears telephoto, the ideal focal length for sunsets is 135mm.
--

 "James Adams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the ideal lens for landscapes? I currently have a Sigma 1:2.8 24mm,
SMC Tak 1:3.5 28mm and a Super-Tak 1:3.5 35mm. Should I try to get hold of
a 17mm and 20mm?
James

Paul Franklin Stregevsky

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Re: eFilm? Re: MZ-S (digital)

2001-04-09 Thread Norman Baugher

Doubt you will ever see it. It's vaporware.
Norm

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I imagine this may have been brought up before but I did
 not see it. I am interested in the new eFilm which fits
 into your normal SLR and has 1.3 megapixels with the
 equivalent of 100 speed film. I think it'll take 24
 exposures and then let you dump them into a CF card and
 the go again.

 Of course it is only currently offered for a couple of
 Canons and nikons. Hopefully they would eventually
 expand it to Pentaxes.

 The price tag of $699 or $799 is a killer but you
 wouldn't need a new digital body. I like the concept.

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Re: Winder ME II cable release diagram

2001-04-09 Thread george de fockert

Ralf,
I also managed to get the lightmeter on without any batteries in the winder.
to what did you connect pin 2 to, camera chassis ?
I have no explanation yet, and do not think it is reliable, because
otherwise Pentax could remove 2 contact pins from its
winder/camera interface.
Probably to do with unintentional capacitive coupling ?

George

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From: "Ralf Stubner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Winder ME II cable release diagram


"Cyril MARION" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have cabled my remote triger according to George's contribution (pin
 N°2 is useless).  But I understand (from Ralf's contribution) that
 sometimes pin N°2 trigs the light meter.  Is this feature implemented
 on specific Me II Winder series or in all models ?

I just made some tests this morning with my ME II winder and my ME.  At
least with this combination I am able to trigger the light meter with
pin N°2 when both camera and winder are set to 'auto'.  Interestingly
this does not depend on whether or not there are any batteries in the
winder.  So with my winder pin N°2 works the same way as half depressing
the winder button, and I know that I haven't done any changes to the
wiring of the winder.  But maybe one of the previous owners?

cheerio
ralf

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mid-roll rewind (was Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread tom

William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: April 9, 2001 12:27 PM
 Subject: Re[2]: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd
 
  Somebody should inform Contax.
 
 Please expand on that thought Paul. The way 35mm film comes out
 of the box, there is no tool in place for the film to
 communicate with the camera, beyond the rudimentary information
 provided by the DX encoding on the cassette. I would be curious
 to know how Contax has overcome this limitation, using the film
 to communicate the frame it must be advanced to when reloaded
 after being partially used, which was the context of the
 original post.

Duh. It's optical. When you get the film back from the lab, you just
re-spool the unused portion and use it.

Ha.

A month or 2 ago when we discussed this, we had assumed you had to tell
the MZ-S advance to frame X, or the camera would assign it a number on
rewind and you'd punch that number in.

Here's another option: Everytime you rewind a roll before the end, it
remembers what frame you stopped on. When you load a roll, it gives you
the option of starting at the begining, or at one of the specific frame
numbers it remembers. It doesn't know specifically that the roll you
inserted stopped at frame 22, but it does know that *some* roll stopped
at 22, (and maybe another stopped at 10), and queries you as to whether
this is that roll.

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Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread PÃ¥l Jensen

Raimo wrote:


Absolutely useless feature - if you need to write down the film number, you could 
more easily write down the frame number and wind on to this number. 



So you think its easier to fit on a lens cap; set the camera in manual mode; choose 
the fastest possible shutterspeed; and then press the shutter release "X" number of 
times to reach the desired frame? To each his own I guess. Personally I would like the 
camera to wind by itself to the desired frame.
Another thing that makes this far from useless is that without this feature, the MZ-S 
would double expose exposure data on reloaded film and also count reloaded rolls at 
least twice (depending on how many times you load it). 


Pl


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Re: MZ-S is really socks, now I know

2001-04-09 Thread Chris Brogden

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Pentax Clover wrote:

 Hello 
 I am sorry to tell you this, but I hate the MZ-S.
 It is too expensive and far from being almost-perfect.
 I am now really waiting for the next flagship of Pentax (the real one)
 See you

Here we go again... Do you feel like sharing the reasons *why* you don't
like it, or what about it disappoints you, or are you satisfied with
coming across as a teenage flamer?  As your post stands now, it's not very
useful to anyone thinking of buying an MZ-S.

chris


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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread PÃ¥l Jensen

Martin wrote:



 Another approach would be to have say n memories where the camera would
 store the number of frames already shot for n rolls. All you have to do is
 write down in the roll what memory goes with that roll.
 Example
 Memory #1: 23 frames shot
 Memory #2:   8 frames shot
 ..
 Memory #n: 15 frames shot
 
 When you change the roll you dial the number of the corresponding memory,
 and voila, the camera winds to that frame plus 1.


The MZ-S does indeed number rolls from 1-200 (and then start at 1 again). All it needs 
to remember is how many frames on each roll - not any memory number. So all you have 
to do is tell the camera what roll number you're inserting in the camera. However, 
this doesn't make much sense because you can just as easily tell the frame number as 
roll number. By telling the camera the frame number you have no limits on the number 
of film roll you can rewind mid-roll and reload again. This is also how its done on 
the MZ-S (and Minolta Dynaxx 7/9).


Pl


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Re: A primes guy seeks advice on a zoom.

2001-04-09 Thread Chaso DeChaso

Strange to be replying immediately to my own question
but I just found references in the list, about five
pages back on the site, to the new forthcoming 24-90
Pentax zoom.  It looks like it's a little faster, for
starters.  I suppose not normally being interested in
zooms, I had ignored these messages until now.  This
adds a new dimension to my search - to wait or not to
wait?  Hmm... 

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Re: A primes guy seeks advice on a zoom.

2001-04-09 Thread tom

Chaso DeChaso wrote:
 
 Strange to be replying immediately to my own question
 but I just found references in the list, about five
 pages back on the site, to the new forthcoming 24-90
 Pentax zoom.  It looks like it's a little faster, for
 starters.  I suppose not normally being interested in
 zooms, I had ignored these messages until now.  This
 adds a new dimension to my search - to wait or not to
 wait?  Hmm...

I think it's available now, if you're referring to waiting for the
release date.

Check the Adorama site.

tv
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Macro flash bracket

2001-04-09 Thread PÃ¥l Jensen

Anyone with tips on a lightweight flash bracket for use on my FA* 200/4 macro?

Pl

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Re: A primes guy seeks advice on a zoom.

2001-04-09 Thread Chris Brogden

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Chaso DeChaso wrote:

 In any case, I need to pick up a general purpose zoom of reasonable
 quality and am looking at the two FA 28-105 lenses listed on BH's
 site for $259 (Silver) and $357 (Black).  Does anyone have any
 experience with either?

Before I start pissing everyone off with acerbic posts today I suppose I
should do a nice one.  :)  The black 28-105, if it's the older power zoom
model, is very sharp; some have even said that it's on a par with the
28-70/4.  The silver 28-105 is the Tamron rebadge, and it's not bad, but
nothing impressive.  You might want to look at the 28-70/4 if image
quality is important, or even wait for the 24-90.

chris

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Re: MZ-S is really socks, now I know

2001-04-09 Thread tom

Bob Blakely wrote:
 
 Well, I suspect it'll be about US$1080.00 or so. If it does what it says it does, 
this is
 a reasonable price for me and seems a good higher end addition to the Pentax line.

It's $999 at Adorama. 

It'll probably work for me too.

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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S andFA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread Bob Blakely

Martin wrote:

 and voila, the camera winds to that frame plus 1.

I love it when you speak French!

Regards,
Bob...
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we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' "
--Rudyard Kipling


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Re: MZ-S is really socks, now I know

2001-04-09 Thread PÃ¥l Jensen

Clover wrote:

 I am sorry to tell you this, but I hate the MZ-S.
 It is too expensive and far from being almost-perfect.


All is in the eye of the beholder. I for one find the MZ-S to be a remarkable balance 
of small size, good built, simplicity and speedy operation. In fact, I never expected 
such a great compromise. For me having small size and high built quality in one and 
the same package is something I'm willing to pay for. Its a valuable feature in 
itself.  
This is the camera and can use for for shooting birds with multipoint AF and a useful 
lightning fast interface. Its also the camera I can take with me backbacking to 
mountain tops without sacrificing anything. 
As for the price; well, I think people can forget Z-1p feature/price level. Lot have 
changed in the last 10 years and SLR (film based) is a lot smaller niche now than it 
ever was before. 


Pl

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Subject: RE: Vivitar Series 1 28mm/f2

2001-04-09 Thread Tanya Russell Mayer

Hi Peter,

I am guessing that Stan wrote that last reply prior to reading your comments
about the powerzoom and its affects on mounting that lens, and this is why I
didn't worry to respond (and you did it for me now anyways!).

I am glad that you did provide this info though, as even though I did work
out that it was that "ridge" that was in the way of the lens mounting
correclty, I wasn't aware what the ridge (and power zoom contacts) were for
and might very well have continued to try to mount it, thus damaging my
cameras.

I have had another very recent acquisition  (last week) of an ME Super
(offered to me by a very generous PDML'er who wish to remains anonymous.
BTW, thanks again, if you are reading this!).  The 28mm works perfectly on
the ME Super and as it turns out, is a wonderful lens which has now found a
permanent home on this body.  As far as extra specs for it go, I have no
idea what else you may need to know?  It has 55mm filters, is a Vivitar
Series 1 f2/28mm prime with "PK" written on its mount and also the following
written on the inner rim of the filter thread "Auto Wide-Angle No.22838226".
Does anybody know what "Auto" means?  I am guessing it has something to do
with "autoexposure" on the relevant bodies?

As for establishing a list of other lenses that are affected by this, I
agree that it would be a good idea.  I am unaware of any others at this
stage, but will receive the Vivitar Series 1 VMC 28-90 f2.8/3.5 macro next
week and will let you know what I discover then.

Right now though, I'm gonna do some scanning and show you all what I've been
up to on the weekend

fairy.

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Re: Test of FA* 85/1.4 (WAS: Re: SMC-A 35/2.8. Mediocre or Maligned?)

2001-04-09 Thread PÃ¥l Jensen

Clover wrote:


 Dear Pal , For the moment this only proove one thing : We need to retest it
 !
 I am waiting for a little time for testing it again, and even waiting for
 what CdI will find by retesting it


Yeah, Not only should they retest the FA* 85/1.4 but also the A* 85/1.4, A* 135/1.8 
and A* 300/2.8; all the A* lenses are way better than they give them credit for.

Pl


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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread rob



Hi,


I suggested this a couple of months back, it still seems the
best way to do it !!!

Rob


- Begin Included Message -


From rob Wed Feb 14 01:19:55 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:19:54 GMT


I would expect that the body assigns an incremental number to
each film as it is loaded, after loading the user could select
a previous film number which would have exposure count stored
in the body on EEPROM (memory that does not require batteries).
(Or is it EPROM ???)

When a previous film has been selected, body could fast forward
by counting sprockets then add a few to allow for initial loading
positioning differences.

As the info stored would only be...

Film number
ISO setting
Frames shot

It should be possible to store info on 50 - 200 films.


User would only have to write film number on film/cannister
before/after initial usage



Just a thought

Rob



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Re: Push Processing C-41

2001-04-09 Thread Bill D. Casselberry


 on the DX coding protocol, Willy Robb wrote:

 Consumer films have to be coded in full stops because most 
 of the consumer cameras cannot read partial stops. I think 
 the four pin DX readers can identify : 
   ISO 25, 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, and 1600.
 
I think that's right. My Pentax Zoom90wr has the four pin DX and 
reads in full stops from asa 25-3200(... but it's a Pentax ;^)

I have had good experience w/ it and TMZ in "roving chronicler"
mode. Masquerading as a "common PS", it is really rather 
effective - With the TMZ, you can run it No Flash and take
advantage of a fast leaf shutter/tight aperture combo w/ minimal
shake potential. And if you see something afar, it is a simple
matter to switch on the flash. At 3200asa, even a small flash 
gains significant throw and achieving the f7.something exposure
at the 90mm end of the zoom is usually possible.

I don't know the minimum aperture, but max shutter is 1/400th.
So there is a certain range to close for flash - but the auto
flash still works excellently beyong this for a good distance.

Bill

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Re: SPF/SP - ideal lens for landscapes?

2001-04-09 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

 Paul wrote:
 
 If we are to believe one EBay seller who decided to write anything to set
 apart his Sears telephoto, the ideal focal length for sunsets is 135mm.

Da Bum Don't Know Jack! :^)

of all my sunsets, I would venture that my absolute fave is
the 1200mm slides I shot with my c.1963 Pentax Takumar 300mm f4
and two 2x'ers
  !8^D m42 Bill 


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Re: Macro flash bracket

2001-04-09 Thread Donald Ross

Hi Pal

You may want to look at Mark Cassino's page for ideas.

Don
http://www.markcassino.com/essays/insectphoto.htm
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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject: Macro flash bracket


 Anyone with tips on a lightweight flash bracket for use on my FA* 200/4
macro?

 Pl

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Re: MZ-S is really socks, now I know

2001-04-09 Thread Bob Blakely

Well, I suspect it'll be about US$1080.00 or so. If it does what it says it does, this 
is
a reasonable price for me and seems a good higher end addition to the Pentax line.
Remember, the LX is more than US$1200.00. It's clearly not intended as a replacement 
for
the LX, though it'll satisfy the needs of most who might have been looking in the Z-1p
category, but judging it to be... aging.

Regards,
Bob...
---
"In the carboniferous epoch
we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' "
--Rudyard Kipling

From: "Pentax Clover" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Hello
 I am sorry to tell you this, but I hate the MZ-S.
 It is too expensive and far from being almost-perfect.
 I am now really waiting for the next flagship of Pentax (the real one)
 See you


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EXCITEMENT!! LX dating help . . .

2001-04-09 Thread William Kane

Hey gang,

   Ok, I'm not going to make this a LONG post, as I want to go and play,
but I JUST got the LX I had ordered from MXV camera's . . . It was in
EX+ condition according to them, and I must say that it's in much better
condition than I had expected.  A few small scratches to the baseplate,
one scratch on the finder and some brassing to the MLU button is about
all the damage I can see right now.  Inside of the LX is CLEAN!!  Came
with a set of strap lugs installed on it too.

   I'm missing one of the winder covers.  Anyone have a spare, or know
of a source?  (I really want a winder to go on it, but don't have the
cash right now)

  A couple of questions . . . what exactly is the function of the "thumb
screw" that is just to the right of the shutter curtain (when looking
inside the body from behind)?

   Does anyone know how I can 'date' this LX?  It's got ASA from 6-3200
and has an MX style shutter lock.  Also the release for the viewfinder
has a button to turn on the meter.

   Now I just have to write a personal email to "report in" that another
LX is being used.

Illinois Bill
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RE: ME viewfinder (was Re: Zenitar 16/2.8 Fisheye)

2001-04-09 Thread Paul . Stregevsky

Chris,

I consider myself a documentarian, not an artist. The point I wished to
make was that, even with matrix metering and autofocusing, real life is
difficult to capture accurately on film without periodic user intervention.
It is a point that Herb Keppler makes time and again in his Popular
Photography column. If some cameras can deliver well-exposed, well-focused
shots with the simple press of the shutter release, I have no problem with
that. Most can't.

The people I've met who have spoken this sentiment to me usually didn't
mean, "I don't want to be an artist," but rather, "I'd rather accomplish
what you accomplish, the easy way." If only it WERE that easy. These same
people wonder why the indoor-graduation shots they took from Row 23 with
ISO 100 film in their auto-everything PS are underexposed.


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 Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Each time a friend, relative, or coworker tells me, "I don't need
 anything fancy; all I need is a camera that will let me push a button
 and get a good picture," I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Why?  The elitism that this smacks of is understandable to those of us who
like to treat our photographs as art, but it's a pretty broad
generalization to apply this motive to everyone who takes
pictures.  snip  I don't see anything wrong with their wanting cameras
that will
take well-exposed, properly-focused pictures with the least amount of
effort on their part.


Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Mirror lenses (speed)

2001-04-09 Thread John Mustarde

On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:54:43 +0200, you wrote:

. I can send an test from Popular (or Modern?) Photography,
testing all various mirror lenses, if you want.

I'd like to have that test.


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Question on RARE Lens

2001-04-09 Thread William Kane

Ok guys,

   In the package with my recent LX, I also got a very strange lens.

It's marked "ULTRA-MICRO-TAKUMAR 1:1.3 30mm".  "ASAHI OPT. CO. JAPAN"

Anyone have any idea what this lens is for?  It's got aperture setting
from 1.3 to 22, and has a screw mount on the rear of the lens that is
smaller than 42mm . . . maybe 37 or 39 . . . . can't find my metric
ruler right now.  ANY ideas would be appreciated.

Illinois Bill

   P.S. I got the lens for 200 British Pounds . . . if anyone wants it
for that plus shipping, please let me know . . . I was under the
impression that it was a k-mount lens, so I'll be trying to return it.

   P.P.S.  I live in the U.S., so that's where the lens is right now . .
. just quoted in British Pounds because that's the quick and dirty
price, I'm too tired to calculate right now
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RE: Vivitar Series 1 28mm/f2

2001-04-09 Thread Peter Smith

Thanks Tanya

So the following Vivitar lenses will not mount on AF Pentax bodies later
than the SF series.

One is the Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm F3.5 macro with 67mm Filter thread.
One is the Vivitar Series 1 28mm f2 prime labelled "Auto Wide-Angle".

Anyone else got any to add?

BTW someone was asking about the words "Re: Subject:" suddenly appearing in
subject lines.  Mine didn't have it and your reply did (I deleted it above).
What mail client software are you using?

And can you give me some charm tips so that I too may attract anonymous
gifts of Pentax gear?  How do you like the ME super - they're still my
favourites.

Peter

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Re: Push Processing C-41

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 9, 2001 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Push Processing C-41


 I agree, William. But who approved Wal-Mart's television
commercial, where
 the sales clerk looks into the camera and says, "There are no
bad pictures.
 As long as you had fun taking them, that's what counts"?
That's simply
 ridiculous.

That would be a pretty unfortunate bit of marketing. Probably a
NY advertising agency.
I also teach dawgie obedience. Every Sunday afternoon, I go down
to the Regina Kennel and Obedience club (www.rkoc.com) and try
to teach people how to train their dawgs. It would be easier to
just train the dawgs, but that isn't how we do it.
Where this is going is my motto for my students "There are no
bad dawgs, just bad owners"
Replace "dawgs" with "photos" and "owners" with
"photographers"..
And yes, there are lots of bad pictures. I see several thousand
per day.
William Robb

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RE: Re[3]: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)

2001-04-09 Thread Peter Smith

Nis won Paul.  Is xat rili Mark Twain's ritin?

Peter

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 Subject: RE: Re[3]: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)
 
 
 See also Mark Twain's plan for the improvement of spelling at
 http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/87/2094.10.html.
 
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Re: EXCITEMENT!! LX dating help . . .

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "William Kane"
Subject: EXCITEMENT!! LX dating help . . .


I'm missing one of the winder covers.  Anyone have a spare,
or know
 of a source?  (I really want a winder to go on it, but don't
have the
 cash right now)

Good luck. Maybe Peter at Camera Direct? Tape over the hole
until you get a cover with light tight tape. It is possible to
fog the film through those holes.

   A couple of questions . . . what exactly is the function of
the "thumb
 screw" that is just to the right of the shutter curtain (when
looking
 inside the body from behind)?

If you rotate it anti-clockwise it puts a flag in the corner of
the frame. One of the Data backs (I think the "Dial Data Back",
but I could be wrong) puts information in that corner, and the
flag ensures the information will be visible by blocking
exposure from the front.

Does anyone know how I can 'date' this LX?  It's got ASA
from 6-3200
 and has an MX style shutter lock.  Also the release for the
viewfinder
 has a button to turn on the meter.

Pentax LX (info courtesy of the Pentax Discussion list)
x   1980 [no roller, no meter activation, KX-style shutter
lock]
522xx   pre 1982 [features unknown]
526xx   pre 1982 [features unknown]
5269x   1982 [no roller, meter activation, KX-style shutter
lock]
5274x   1982 [no roller, meter activation, KX-style shutter
lock]
5278x   1982 [no roller, meter activation, hollow-shaped shutter
lock]
5279x   1982 [features unknown]
531xx    [roller, KX-style shutter lock (?)]
533xx    [hollow-shaped shutter lock]
5336x   1987 [features unknown]
535xx   1992 [features unknown]

Above from:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~cam/serial/

Now I just have to write a personal email to "report in"
that another
 LX is being used.

Congratulations. You realize that one LX is rarely
enough
William Robb


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RE: Subject: e-bay words (very OT!)

2001-04-09 Thread Peter Smith

I recently followed an "about me" link on ebay which I found amusing - link
below if you want to see the whole thing (scroll to the bottom for the funny
bit) and extract below to save you the trouble.

http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/foto/

extract:

I charge a 10% eBay stupidity surcharge to any buyer who spells lens as
"lense".
I learned not to buy from people WHO USE LITTLE SHORT WORDS IN ALL CAPS and
use "!" or "L@@K" as a verb, because not only are they stupid,
they tend to be excitable and either lose the stuff they sold me, give
negative feedback if not paid or delivered in a special pink envelope with
an Elvis stamp exactly on auction day +3, or sell "AS IS WHERE IS" and then
pack it off to me in a paper bag mommy kept your lunch in. If you are one of
these very important people, please go away.


Peter

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Re: Question on RARE Lens

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "William Kane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 9, 2001 5:28 PM
Subject: Question on RARE Lens


 Ok guys,

In the package with my recent LX, I also got a very strange
lens.

 It's marked "ULTRA-MICRO-TAKUMAR 1:1.3 30mm".  "ASAHI OPT. CO.
JAPAN"

 Anyone have any idea what this lens is for?  It's got aperture
setting
 from 1.3 to 22, and has a screw mount on the rear of the lens
that is
 smaller than 42mm . . . maybe 37 or 39 . . . . can't find my
metric
 ruler right now.  ANY ideas would be appreciated.

It sounds like a bellows lens for the pre spotmatic era cameras.
I think they had a smaller thread mount than M-42. It might make
a pretty good enlarger lens for big enlargments from 35mm if the
thread size is correct. I wonder how much it would cost to have
an adaptor cut so it could go onto an M-42 bellows...
William Robb

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Re: Vivitar Series 1 28mm/f2

2001-04-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Peter Smith"
Subject: RE: Vivitar Series 1 28mm/f2


 And can you give me some charm tips so that I too may attract
anonymous
 gifts of Pentax gear?

Have an operation and a whole bunch of hormone injections and
plastic surgery
Wheatfield Willie


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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-Sand FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread James Apilado

But you can't get here in N. America as far as I know.  I read somewhere
that the U.S. photographers prefer prints than slides.  Thus Fuji and Kodak
have avoided sending the E-6 film here,
Jim A.

 From: "Paul Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:54:16 +1000
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 Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
 FA31Ltd)
 
 Hi,
 
 My girlfriend has a Canon Elph and it mentions in the instruction manual
 that a slide film is available.
 
 Cya
 
 
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 Precedence: list
 
 Hi Ken.
 When I started on this list back in '96 when APS was staring out,  I took a
 lot of flack from die hard 35mm fans who seemed threatened by the new
 format.  My only complaint with APS is that you can't buy slide film here
 in
 the U.S. I recall when 110 came out in the early 70's, slide film could be
 purchased.  Even the earlier 126 format had slide film available.
 Jim A.
 
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 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:32:51 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S
 and
 FA31Ltd)
 
 on 4/8/01 6:51 PM, James Apilado at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Then again, Pentax could have made an APS camera and you wouldn't have
 to go
 through all this hassle to get to an unexposed frame.
 
 Hi Jim and all,
 
 I am known to fond of APS (OK, duck  hide ! :-).  I know arguments
 about
 smaller neg size and all that.  But I do appreciate the engineering put
 into
 designing the APS film cassette.  It is amazing what this little
 cassette
 does.  It eliminates all clumsy things photographers have to put up with
 (unproductive part of taking photos :-) and the MRC is excellent.  Just
 the
 idea to make the film system into a cassette is what I like.
 
 I only wished that they made a 35mm APS system.  It would be even
 marvelous
 if the design concept is accommodated into the MedF system somehow.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: OT: grandfather mountain

2001-04-09 Thread Mark Roberts

To view the guestbook, go to 
http://robertstech.com/guestbook.mv?parm_func=view

There's an option for adding your own entry. haven't been any entries in a while
but as we get closer I expect there'll be more messages posted.

Mark

"jeepgirl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Didn't we set up a site for discussing grandfather mountain that was not on
this list?  I never went to it... crashed my computer (again)... lost the
address... and now I want to the site.  Man am I hard to get along with.  :)
Do we have any more people going then the last time i checked?
Jeepgirl (Who will now be driving a yellow jeepinstead of a white one)


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Fire photography

2001-04-09 Thread Barry Meyers-Rice


Hey Folks,

I occasionally work on prescribed fire teams. Is there a magic exposure at
which fire on film looks like fire to humans? Any preferred film to use? I
work with slide format, usually Velvia, but for this I could imagine
something faster may be appropriate.

Barry

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RE: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd

2001-04-09 Thread Peter Smith

I think Raimo was saying that having to write down the film number is the
useless feature - you can just as easily write down the first unexposed
frame number.  Also in the quotes someone posted about the Minolta Dynax I
saw nothing that suggested that the camera remembers which frame to go to as
I suspect is also the case with the MZ-S.  The ability to rewind and leave
out the leader and then start exposing at a frame supplied by the user at
load time ( without firing the shutter at every frame in-between) is a very
useful feature.

I re-quote from the Dynax 9 extract:-

Mid Reload is a valuable convenience that automatically advances a partially
exposed roll to **the frame selected by the photographer**.  (my asterisks)

I think everyone is reading more into this feature than the manufacturers
have actually claimed.

Peter


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 Subject: Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd


 Raimo wrote:


 Absolutely useless feature - if you need to write down the film
 number, you could more easily write down the frame number and
 wind on to this number.



 So you think its easier to fit on a lens cap; set the camera in
 manual mode; choose the fastest possible shutterspeed; and then
 press the shutter release "X" number of times to reach the
 desired frame? To each his own I guess. Personally I would like
 the camera to wind by itself to the desired frame.
 Another thing that makes this far from useless is that without
 this feature, the MZ-S would double expose exposure data on
 reloaded film and also count reloaded rolls at least twice
 (depending on how many times you load it).


 Pl


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Re: OT: grandfather mountain

2001-04-09 Thread Macpaz

I put a little relevant information on the guestbook.

  Casey Szocinski
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Re: EXCITEMENT!! LX dating help . . .

2001-04-09 Thread David P. Chernicoff

At 05:49 PM 4/9/2001 -0500, William Kane wrote:

I'm missing one of the winder covers.  Anyone have a spare, or know
of a source?  (I really want a winder to go on it, but don't have the
cash right now)

I just got a couple from Pentax USA. It's a part they carry in stock. $3.06 
each plus shipping.

David

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ME viewfinder -- the small aperture lens problem

2001-04-09 Thread Peter Spiro
I too love the big viewfinder inmy old ME and MX. Unfortunately, I think that getting a viewfinder is not as easy as getting rid of the built-in flash. Consider the MZ-M, which has no flash, and has the lowest magnification of any Pentax viewfinder.

As I understand it, the reason why viewfinder magnification has been reduced is that there is a tradeoff with brightness. If you reduce magnification, you get more brightness. Camera makers started reducing magnification when small aperture zoom lenses became popular.

Those of us who still use large aperture prime lenses don't need the extra brightness, and are better off with older cameras such as the ME and MX. Fortunately, there are so many used MEs around, in good condition, and at low prices (and durable too), that we will probably never run out. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Re: Helicoid

2001-04-09 Thread Rob Studdert

On 8 Apr 2001, at 22:21, William Robb wrote:

 Well, I had a look through some old stuff in the bottom of my
 filing cabinet. I have an old Petersons book that deals with
 medium format cameras in general, and has a fairly extensive
 overview of the Pentax 6x7. Also a Pentax publication called
 "The Eyes" which is an M series era book with tons of info about
 K and M lenses, another book that deals with the K, M and LX
 series of cameras, and a whole bunch of magazines, maybe 3 or 4
 dozen, called "Pentax Family" The top one on the pile was #45.

There is an "H.P. Books" publication from 1981 titled How to select  use 
Medium-Format Cameras" by Theodore DiSante (ISBN: 0-89586-046-6), it 
was edited by Carl Shipman. In chapter 8 "Pentax 6x7" there is a heap of 
great information including "Min mag of extension tubes and 6x7 lens 
combinations", "Mag ranges with the helicoid extension tube and the 6x7 
lenses mounted normally", "Mag ranges with the helicoid extension tube and 
the 6x7 lenses reverse mounted", "extension tubes and 6x7 SMC lens 
combinations".

And no I don't have access to a flat bed scanner at the moment :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Camera World Price for MZ-S

2001-04-09 Thread Mark Erickson

Camera World is showing the Pentax MZ-S.  I put one into a shopping cart and
it came up with US $929.  Here's a link to the camera:

http://www.cameraworld.com/cwc/products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_
id=599813FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140489bmUID=986875736760

--Mark

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Re: Camera World Price for MZ-S

2001-04-09 Thread tom

Mark Erickson wrote:
 
 Camera World is showing the Pentax MZ-S.  I put one into a shopping cart and
 it came up with US $929. 

Did you proceed to checkout?

tv
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Re: eFilm? Re: MZ-S (digital)

2001-04-09 Thread Gerald Cermak

eFilm has had some management problems, and are VERY late to market with
their product.  Not only is the resolution too low to be considered viable
anymore, the CCD size turns your wide angle lenses into telephotos because
the CCD is much smaller than 24x36mm.

Don't even consider it at this point, it would bring nothing but
disappointment.

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Subject: eFilm? Re: MZ-S (digital)


 I imagine this may have been brought up before but I did
 not see it. I am interested in the new eFilm which fits
 into your normal SLR and has 1.3 megapixels with the
 equivalent of 100 speed film. I think it'll take 24
 exposures and then let you dump them into a CF card and
 the go again.

 Of course it is only currently offered for a couple of
 Canons and nikons. Hopefully they would eventually
 expand it to Pentaxes.

 The price tag of $699 or $799 is a killer but you
 wouldn't need a new digital body. I like the concept.

 -Mark Sheftick
  My brother recently purchased the Canon D30 and I had the opportunity to
  spend some time using it this past weekend.
 
  Though I regularly use a Coolpix 880 and have been extremely happy with
the
  quality of the photos (when properly used, beats the pants off of print
  scans on a consumer scanner), there is something to be said about the
pure
  satisfaction of using a proper SLR body with a good lens (he had the
28-70
  2.8), not to mention the quality of the pictures overall!
 
  I find I'm in a bind (as will probably other members of the list, I
suspect)
  when it comes to digital photography. My primary output medium is
through
  the Web so the digital space is definitely my first choice; however,
while
  quality on recent consumer-grade cameras is extremely good, I miss the
  ability to use a proper selection of lenses (which I currently do
have...).
 
  Also, the ability to shoot a "roll" of shots and to get immediate
feedback
  and reshoot if necessary is a great thing!
 
  I'm cringing at the thought of the price of the MZ-S (digital) whenever
it
  will be released and can only hope that their 2nd generation model with
all
  the enhancements follows shortly...
 
  Cheers.
 
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RE: Favorite Lens Roll Call Results UPDATE 8

2001-04-09 Thread Paul Jones

Maybe more people have the 24/2.0? it is cheaper.

The 24/2.0 is also a * lense.



OK.  Why is the FA* 24/2 getting votes and the FA 20/2.8 getting none.

I had pretty much decided on the FA 20/2.8.  You know, like the car 
commercial,  Wider is Better.  It seems that some combination of * glass 
and a slightly faster lens is the preference.  Is 20 mm too wide for most 
applications?  I keep admiring the pictures a friend is taking with a 14 mm 
Sigma.

Help me out.

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Re: Fire photography

2001-04-09 Thread Treena Harp

Believe it or not, this comes up a lot in photojournalism. :-) We generally
use ISO 400. Most press association fire photo winners are flames with
firemen or grieving home owners silhouetted. Ironically, this is not
difficult to do as it is what your camera's meter will probably do by
itself, although it does make for very dramatic flames and with the right
degree of action, a very dynamic photo.

Flash will also work well to illuminate working firefighters and others with
not so much flame, but a lot more action and detail. I have had some success
with slow sync flash if the people in the photo aren't moving around too
much. If they are, it can also add some motion to the photo, so I wouldn't
rule it out. Be careful about the use of flash, though. If there's a lot of
smoke rolling around, the flash may reflect off it somewhat, and it can fool
your camera's autofocus, if you have it. When you go to a fire, you should
have time to try a couple of different techniques.


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From: "Barry Meyers-Rice" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:53 PM
Subject: Fire photography



 Hey Folks,

 I occasionally work on prescribed fire teams. Is there a magic exposure at
 which fire on film looks like fire to humans? Any preferred film to use? I
 work with slide format, usually Velvia, but for this I could imagine
 something faster may be appropriate.

 Barry

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Re: Camera World Price for MZ-S

2001-04-09 Thread Treena Harp


Considering what I thought it was going to cost, that really doesn't socks.



 Mark Erickson wrote:
 
  Camera World is showing the Pentax MZ-S.  I put one into a shopping cart
and
  it came up with US $929.


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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Just tea this time, and I didn't have any in my mouth.  But, I
fully intend to collect that beer, is the snow gone up there
yet? grin

I get the impression you have the same liking for cameras d'jur
as I do.
--Tom


William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Cy Galley" 
 Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan
 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)
 
  Why not have the camera notch the film edge when exposed? or
 burn a spot in
  the sprocket hole area? Then when inserted, the film would
 wind past the
  last mark and stop ready to take the next picture. For double
 exposures, it
  could be backed up or just not advanced. That some chip
 programming but it
  should be very easy to do.
 
 Yup, this could be a new feature on the new Minolta Maxxum
 12FLEBO.
 
 Here is a sample add copy:
 
 "Finally, a camera that not only thinks like a photographer,
 but has the ability over time to interact with its owner. The
 new Maxxum 12 FLEBO is the camera the world has been waiting
 for.
 How can a camera do all this?
 First, we mounted a razor sharp needle in the viewfinder
 area. The first time you raise the camera to your eye, this
 needle is injected past your eye into your brain, thereby
 lobotomizing you.
 We can't make a smarter camera, so we had to make a dumber
 photographer.
 A new feature added to this extraordinary camera is the "Eye
 BurnOut" feature.
 We mounted a laser in the camera body pointing backwards. Over
 time, this feature will burn a hole in the camera back, and will
 eventually burn out the photographers eye.
 We can't make sharp lenses, so we have to make photographers who
 can't see, just to stay competitive.
 The Maxxum 12 FLEBO, only from the minds of Minolta".
 
 Sorry Tom, if I owe you another beer.
 William Robb

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Re: A primes guy seeks advice on a zoom.

2001-04-09 Thread Arnold Stark

Hello Chaso,


 In any case, I need to pick up a general purpose zoom of reasonable
 quality and am looking at the two FA
 28-105 lenses listed on BH's site for $259 (Silver) and $357 (Black).

You better wait for the new FA24-90 lens (~500US$) or for the NEW
FA28-105/f3.2-4.5, which you can already order from
http://www.technikdirekt.de/english/ for DM629 (plus shipping costs)

Arnold

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Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-Sand FA31Ltd)

2001-04-09 Thread James Apilado

Still too complicated.  APS cameras with MRC is so much easier than any
approach formulated by the makers of upper end SLR cameras.
Anyway you look at it, you will lose one frame.
Change of topic.  The current Shutterbug magazine mentions hybrid cameras
that use film and also storing digital image suitable for e-mail.  It
mentions APS and 35mm potential hybrids.  Can you imagine the stir had
Pentax come out with a 35mm SLR that was a hybrid?
Jim A.

 From: "Martin Corro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:46:52 -0300
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
 FA31Ltd)
 
 Another approach would be to have say n memories where the camera would
 store the number of frames already shot for n rolls. All you have to do is
 write down in the roll what memory goes with that roll.
 Example
 Memory #1: 23 frames shot
 Memory #2:   8 frames shot
 ..
 Memory #n: 15 frames shot
 
 When you change the roll you dial the number of the corresponding memory,
 and voila, the camera winds to that frame plus 1.
 
 What do you think?
 
 Martin
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:47 AM
 Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
 FA31Ltd)
 
 
 Martin wrote:
 
 
 My question:
 But what happens to the 12 or 24 frames rolls?? Does the camera know how
 to
 diferentiate each one  (12, 24 or 36 frames)?
 
 
 You got me there. Anyway, the idea was pretty silly to start with. Its
 equally simple to dial in frame number (like Minolta and apparently the MZ-S
 works) as roll number. With this frame number system you can switch between
 as many roll as you like.
 
 Pl
 
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Re: Question on RARE Lens

2001-04-09 Thread Bojidar Dimitrov

 In the package with my recent LX, I also got a very strange lens.
 It's marked "ULTRA-MICRO-TAKUMAR 1:1.3 30mm".  "ASAHI OPT. CO.
 JAPAN"

 has a screw mount on the rear of the lens that is smaller than 42mm
 . . . maybe 37 or 39

Recently William Robb wrote:
 
 It sounds like a bellows lens for the pre spotmatic era cameras.
 I think they had a smaller thread mount than M-42. It might make
 a pretty good enlarger lens for big enlargments from 35mm if the
 thread size is correct. I wonder how much it would cost to have
 an adaptor cut so it could go onto an M-42 bellows...

This all sounds right.  37 mm should be the correct value, and adapters can
even be bought (ask Fred Wasti about it).

Cheers,
Boz

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