Re: Moral dilemma

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

>> Consider, Cotty. I drove today at work and approaching a crossing I
>> heard an ambulance's siren. Instinctively I turned to look in the
>> mirror (I have slightly wider custom inside mirror) only to realize
>> that nothing was in there. Meanwhile the ambulance was entering the
>> crossing on the red so that I almost hit it as I was going on green in
>> the direction perpendicular to that of ambulance entry. It was in
>> front of me. Well, I did avoid a very unpleasant event and in a moment
>> the ambulance took off and I hope no harm came to the person that had
>> to be treated. I was rather uncomfortable after that. I still am.
>> Probably what happened is perfectly fine and should I be a taxi
>> driver, I wouldn't pay much attention to it. But I am not.
> 
> Makes sense to me. car crashes are not fun. When I hear an ambulance, I
> try and follow it ;-))

HAR! That's my point. Whatever is common usual standard for a 
professional (taxi driver) is rather different than to casual 
practitioner of the same discipline (me).

> However, just because *I* don't think morality is an issue (in cases
> like this), doesn't mean that it's *not*. I fully respect another's view
> that it can be an issue. I simply offer my point of view if for no other
> reason than to show how bad things can get ;-)

Indeed.

Boris


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Interest in developing a software around photograhy?

[Boris Liberman]

Thibouille, if you want easy way of this burden, you may want to learn 
Java. If you know C++/Delphi, it will not be much of a problem. Then you 
can write your GUI and interface with OS low level in Java which 
theoretically should be cross platform.

Otherwise, if you want to stick to C++, then what Godfrey suggested is a 
good idea, but it will require from you to keep in mind this original 
consideration of clean processing code and two additional layers of OS 
and GUI outside your processing. It is a challenge, but if you are after 
educational/academic program, then perhaps it is a bit of an over strain.

I am not sure you ever mentioned your time frame. I still think that 
all-Java option needs to be considered seriously.

Cheers.

Boris



Thibouille wrote:
> List weirdness I got your response to Godfrey message, got followinf
> Godfrey message but notthe first one to which your reponded... :|
> 
> All those are pretty interesting idea I have to admit :)
> 
> Now, choice of programming language and envrionment will be harder.
> I have no experience in Java (but it looks like it should be doable).
> I'm more C++/Delphi. Graphical library for the GUI part will also be
> tricky.
> 
> Any recommendation for a Win/OSX/Linux (or at least Win/Linux) environment?
> I know Delphi/Kylix and BuilderX but none of those will allow OSX development.
> 
> 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: Enough excitement for one evening

[David Mann]

On Jan 24, 2007, at 5:55 AM, Cotty wrote:

>> Sitting back watching the Kiwis obliterate the Poms (cricket, guys) -
>
> I'll try just as hard as you to imagine the scene ;-)

Yeah amazing.  Those cricketers of yours must have been pretty hung  
over to get beaten by us.

- Dave (I love quoting out of context)



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - Flying

[Bruce Dayton]

Well I appreciate the idea.  That's one of the great things about this
list.

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, January 23, 2007, 8:46:41 PM, you wrote:

KW> Bruce, its kinda scary, your posted revised image is identical to what I
KW> did.
KW> Great minds.. ;+)

KW> Kenneth Waller

KW> - Original Message - 
KW> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
KW> Subject: Re: PESO - Flying


>> Many thanks to all who have replied.  It seems that most of you feel
>> like me in that there is context that needs to be preserved.  I have
>> tried Kenneth's suggested crop here and I think it works pretty well.
>> It gets rid of some of the empty sky without losing the context, I
>> think.
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280a.htm
>>
>> Original
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280.htm
>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, January 23, 2007, 1:27:43 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> KW> Bruce, I just did a rectangular crop (3 to 2), putting the birds in
>> the
>> KW> upper left quadrant & I think its an improvement.
>> KW> The blank sky bothered me more than anything else in the original
>> image
>>
>> KW> Kenneth Waller
>>
>> KW> - Original Message - 
>> KW> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> KW> Subject: PESO - Flying
>>
>>
 I'd like some feedback on this.  The issue is whether to crop it or
 not.  What I like about this presentation is that you can get the
 sense of them flying over the trees.  Cropping removes that context.
 On the other hand, there is sufficient detail in the ducks to handle
 some crop.

 Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X AF 400/5.6, Handheld
 ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280.htm

 Comments welcome

 -- 
 Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net 





-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

About 1/5 the buyers I have dealt with have left feedback. I've left  
feedback for about 1/3 of the sellers I've dealt with. It's no big  
deal to me: I don't care.

Go to any business and buy something. The seller is done with the  
business of that transaction at the point they hand over the goods  
and take your money. If you are afterwards dissatisfied with the  
product and come back for customer service, that's a completely  
separate issue and should be rated separately.

When someone pays me by Paypal, the agreement is that they will pay  
the fees and I will hold the merchandise until the money is deposited  
in my bank account. Once it is in my bank account, if they've paid by  
credit card they can go to their credit card company and request  
arbitration. Paypal can do nothing but ban my account ... and I don't  
care if they do that.

Sheesh. Much ado about nothing.

Godfrey

On Jan 23, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> If they paid with Paypal, they can get their money back. Even if they
> didn't, they can give you negative feedback. For a seller, any
> negative feedback is deadly. Anyone who sells a substantial amount of
> goods on ebay will tell you the same thing: You wait for your
> feedback, which indicates buyer satisfaction. Then, you provide
> feedback. Why would you want to say that the transaction was okay
> before they buyer approves the goods via feedback? As I said  before,
> common sense. Debate it to the death if you wish, but your position
> makes no sense, except perhaps from an ivory tower perspective.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[J and K Messervy]

I've noticed that ALL sellers I've dealt with wait unti I've left feedback 
before they will.  I consider it to be feedback blackmail in a way.  You 
know that you will get negative feedback if you leave negative feedback.

On the three occasions I've sold something, I've made a point to leave 
feedback as soon as the buyer has completed his part of the 
transaction...ie, paid.

James
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


> In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:36:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer
> has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative
> feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day.
> However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that 
> their
> business paractices are perhaps a bit shady.
>
> William Robb
> ==
> Uh. I routinely will not leave feedback until I get feedback. Of course, I 
> am
> just a small time seller, selling personal items. But by doing that then I 
> am
> guaranteed of feedback, otherwise people won't bother.
>
> I probably should mention I have a 100% rating.
>
> So I certainly do not regard it as a sneaky practice, but a reminder 
> practice.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 23/01/2007 
> 11:04 AM
> 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Amazing used glass prices

[Doug Franklin]

Kenneth Waller wrote:

> Absolutely unbelievable. 
> I paid $775 for mine new when I bought mine!

>> On 24/01/07, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Hey Rob, do you have a link for that FA 300? I think that's the one
>>> I'm going to sell next.
>> I don't know if he was just lucky but I hope you do as well:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220060064881

I paid around US$ 600 for the F* version about two years ago ... for
over US$ 2k, I'd almost give it up.  Not quite, but almost.  Except for
the FA* 200/2.8, it's the best lens I have.

-- 
Thanks,
DougF (KG4LMZ)

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: GESO - Dead Heads

[wendy beard]

On 1/23/07, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I can't help but think you have an old/weird version of FLASH player
> on your computer.
>
>   -Charles
>
You're probably right. I think it's Flash 7
I tried it at home and it works there. Sort of. I'm on dial-up and the
pictures autoscroll before they've finished loading.
I hate dial-up


Wendy

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/23/2007 6:27:01 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I disagree. As a  seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does.  
There's a risk of  being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you  
commit too soon to  positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories  
of buyers  complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right  
after they  received positive feedback. The seller has the most to  
lose in this  situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts  
feedback, I  don't either. Works for me.
Paul

==
Exactly, Paul. Totally  agree. 

I am not blackmailing anyone. The transaction is complete once  they have 
paid and I have shipped it. Feedback is actually a separate thing, not  part of 
the transaction at all. It's post transaction. And seller feedback is  10X more 
important than buyer feedback. Unless the buyer is a total jerk who  buys 
things and doesn't pay. That's all sellers really look for in buyer  feedback. 
While negative seller feedback can impact one's sales.

I should  mention I also offer a full refund including shipping back if 
someone is  unhappy. And that has only happened once (and she turned it down. I 
think my  rating is now over 100 transactions). The best seller is someone who 
describes  the item accurately, including all flaws, and shows good photos. 
Then 
buyers are  not caught by surprise by something. I do all that.

The logical way is  for the seller to wait for feedback. By doing that, 
hopefully, if the buyer is  unhappy, they will contact the seller first and let 
him 
or her know before  leaving feedback. Then the seller can address their 
unhappiness. If they leave a  negative before telling the seller they are 
unhappy 
then the seller has little  or no motivation to address their unhappiness.

It's just  logical.

Marnie aka Doe  


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - Flying

[Kenneth Waller]

Bruce, its kinda scary, your posted revised image is identical to what I 
did.
Great minds.. ;+)

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - Flying


> Many thanks to all who have replied.  It seems that most of you feel
> like me in that there is context that needs to be preserved.  I have
> tried Kenneth's suggested crop here and I think it works pretty well.
> It gets rid of some of the empty sky without losing the context, I
> think.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280a.htm
>
> Original
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280.htm
>
> -- 
> Bruce
>
>
> Tuesday, January 23, 2007, 1:27:43 PM, you wrote:
>
> KW> Bruce, I just did a rectangular crop (3 to 2), putting the birds in 
> the
> KW> upper left quadrant & I think its an improvement.
> KW> The blank sky bothered me more than anything else in the original 
> image
>
> KW> Kenneth Waller
>
> KW> - Original Message - 
> KW> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> KW> Subject: PESO - Flying
>
>
>>> I'd like some feedback on this.  The issue is whether to crop it or
>>> not.  What I like about this presentation is that you can get the
>>> sense of them flying over the trees.  Cropping removes that context.
>>> On the other hand, there is sufficient detail in the ducks to handle
>>> some crop.
>>>
>>> Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X AF 400/5.6, Handheld
>>> ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8
>>>
>>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280.htm
>>>
>>> Comments welcome
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's your point in the context of my quote? I dont get it.

You stated: "Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not just
listings made or payments sent."

This is plainly false, otherwise eBay would have implemented a
mechanism whereby feedback couldn't be left independently by buyer and
seller in any completed transaction.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Amazing used glass prices

[Kenneth Waller]

Absolutely unbelievable. 
I paid $775 for mine new when I bought mine!

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Amazing used glass prices


> On 24/01/07, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hey Rob, do you have a link for that FA 300? I think that's the one
>> I'm going to sell next.
> 
> I don't know if he was just lucky but I hope you do as well:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220060064881
> 
>> You guys should see the prices I got for my Limited lenses on ebay.
>> Over $700 each for each of the 77mms, and $835 for the 31mm. Needless
>> to say, I'm pretty happy...
> 
> No doubt, I wish I could cash in too, unfortunately it's not possible
> in my current circumstances.
> 
> -- 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

huh? your not making any sense. If ebay did what you propose (buyer and
seller have to agree for FB to be posted?), there 
wouldnt be anything but positives would there? and that would be
useless. I said that feedback is intended is for the entire transaction
and I stand by
that. That doesnt mean the buyers and sellers will both agree on whether
the transaction was good or bad. But what it means is I dont think its
right to give a buyer postive feeback
just because he paid because that is not the completion of the entire
tranaction, thats only an early partial stage of the entire transaction.

jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Digital Image Studio
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:41 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's your point in the context of my quote? I dont get it.

You stated: "Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not just
listings made or payments sent."

This is plainly false, otherwise eBay would have implemented a mechanism
whereby feedback couldn't be left independently by buyer and seller in
any completed transaction.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: Working with my K10D Raw images

[Michael Perham]

To quote Scott Kelby, Lightroom will sell at a fraction of CS2 ...it was
listed briefly on Amazon for around $200 and then pulled.  From all I can
discern Adobe may be Announcing lightroom on Jan/29.  I have already
preorderd Scott Kelby's book on Lightroom that is scheduled to be released
mid February.

Cheers,  Mike.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Perry
Pellechia
Sent: January 23, 2007 8:46 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Working with my K10D Raw images

As a former Rawshooter user, I would recommend Lightroom (beta) as a
good step up.  Shoot DNGs and you should have no problems, unless
Adobe decides to charge an outrageous amount for Lightroom when it
reaches release status.

On 1/23/07, Barry Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> I've been happy as a pig in the sun working with Pixmantec's RawShooter,
> which does a bangup job with my RAW files from my *istDs. Now that I've
> bought a K10D, I've discovered that the raw images from it are not
supported
> by RawShooter. I've verified at the Pixmantec forum that neither the PEF
or
> DNG files from the K10D are being supported by RawShooter, and it appears
> that this program is now discontinued. Sigh.
>
> So, what do people use to work on their K10D Raw files? I'm not hugely
> interested in spending vast amounts of money on a full-blown version of
> Photoshop, so is there a stripped down version I can use?
>
> Dang, I really liked RawShooter.
>
> Barry
>
>
> Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
> Invasive Species Specialist
> Global Invasive Species Initiative
> The Nature Conservancy
> V: 530-754-8891
> http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
>
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>


--
<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hello! (introduction)

[Kenneth Waller]

Kenneth Waller
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Hello! (introduction)


>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gonz wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>>Gonz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
Scott Loveless wrote:





>On 1/22/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Re: Hello! (introduction)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Kenneth Waller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>Mark Roberts wrote
>DagT wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>Fra: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>mike wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
From: "Gonz"







>>I don't differentiate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Do you integrate?
>
>
>

I assimilate.




>>>
>>>You, too?  I thought it was just Cotty.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I thought he permutated.
>>
>>
>>
>
>No, he is a derivative
>
>
>

Just as long as he is not multiplying.



>>>
>>>This thread does not add up
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>So it should be divided...
>>
>>
>>
>
>Well I've never been an exponent of that sort of behavior...
>
>
>

Yeah, sometimes its hard to differentiate.



>>>
>>>Which makes it difficult to tell if what you're seeing is real or
>>>imaginary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Nothing is real. It's all imaginary.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Don't be so obtuse.
>
>
>
>

Are you trying to be acute?



>>>
>>>Thats a bad sine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That's it, we've reached bottom, it's time to wave goodbye.
>>
>>
>
>Lets not get irrational, have some pi.
>
>
>

 Don't go off on a tangent, now.

>>>
>>> Surely there must be a limit to this infinite series of statements.
>>>
>>Nah. We need to keep going to get to the root.
>
> If this goes on much more I'm gonna shit a log!
>
Seems rational to me. 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to prove that it is not just in my mind, yesterday I received the
> leather to redo the radio. Perfect transaction! Just the way they all
> should be. Of course, leather, unlike electronics and cameras, does not
> require special packing. But fast shipping, bulletproof packing, and as
> good as, or better than, described should be the goal of every eBay
> seller. They are mine, when I am the seller.
>
> Maybe eBay needs a new rating system, something like:
>
> 4- Service and merchandise beyond reasonable expectations.
> 3- Service and merchandise meets expectations
> 2- Service and merchandise did not meet expectations.
> 1- Service and merchandise far below expectations.
> 0- Deliberate misrepresentation or merchandise not received.
> Zero's will be suspended, and upon verification banned.

A performance figure ie a performance average that is a function of a
multiple choice survey that's imposed on buyers and sellers could
provide good information along side the conventional feedback system.
As the users performance figure wouldn't be linked inextricably to any
particular id it could encourage people to be more honest in their
appraisals of the deal than they often are through fear of retaliatory
feedback.

Unfortunately I suspect we're stuck with what we've got and now with
the recent changes to the system where it obscures the bidder IDs I'm
feeling a little less confident as a seller.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

You are the clueless person of the day. EBAY FEEDBACK
is essentially PERMANENT. They will not retract it
for you unless it breaks very strict/narrow ebay rules like giving
personal information away, linking to webpage rants, a court
order is issued to do so, etc. In other words, if someone gives you
really
bad, extremely harsh, even totally false negative feedback, there
is nothing you can do and ebay wont help you by removing it.
Thats why I dont give away my right to leave a counterattacking
equally brutal negative feedback by posting a premature postive one
in a totally UNKNOWN situation like only getting a payment and shipping
something out without any buyer handshaking whatsoever yet.
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


How can a buyer blackmail you? You have the money, they have your  
goods. If they're dissatisfied with the goods, tell them to return  
them and then return their money.

Use an insured, tracked shipping service only, and stipulate that in  
the communications surrounding the sale. If the goods do not arrive  
at the destination, the shipper is liable to pay out the insured  
value. If you have to ship where such service does not exist or is  
too expensive, get that into writing before you complete the deal,  
stating that the loss in a situation for non-delivery is between the  
buyer and the shipping company, and document that the item was shipped.

It's the way business transactions have always been done. I see no  
reason to threaten a buyer with bad feedback so that they will write  
good things about me first. And if they give me bad feedback in an  
unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it.  
(No one has ever given me bad feedback.)

G

On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good 
> communication and due caution are just  common sense. But if you 
> provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the 
> merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and possible

> problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why would you 
> throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction. The buyer 
> can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or that it was 
> not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only assurance you have 
> that this won't happen. Simple logic. Paul


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

What's your point in the context of my quote? I dont get it.
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Digital Image Studio
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:03 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WRONG, you are continuing to assume that
> all buyers are reasonable and ethical.
> Sellers cant give pos FB until the buyer
> agrees the deal was good and done by
> giving the seller a pos feedback first.
>
> Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not
> just listings made or payments sent.

Feedback for the buyer and seller is obviously independent, otherwise
eBay would implement a mechanism to ensure that the feedback posted
between buyer and seller was complementary.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

A 300/4 vs. FA 300/4.5

[Paul Stenquist]

How does the A 300/4 compare to the F and FA versions. I notice that,  
physically, the A version doesn't have much in common with either the  
early SMC Pentax version or the later F and FA lenses.
Paul

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

GESO - sky diving

[Scott Loveless]

I took these almost a year ago on Kodachrome.  K1000 with M 200/4.  MX
with M 35/2.8.  One camera was loaded with K64, the other with K200.
Can't remember which, but it's obvious looking at the slides that
they're exposed a bit differently.  I actually paid attention to the
meter in the MX.  Pointing the 200 into the sky gave the K1000's meter
fits, so I went with sunny 16.  Anyway, I hope you like them.  Any
critiques are most welcome.

http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/SkyDiving

-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
Shoot more film!

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And if they give me bad feedback in an
> unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it.

Be thankful nobody has ever given you negative feedback, unfortunately
even if illegitimately posted it can be very difficult to force it to
be removed.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Lets see how gmail hold up here

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
My Windows machine at home and at work both handle email just fine.
Things expand and contract and get deleted just fine.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 1/23/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seems Safari like gmail. I have options to expand and collapse the threads.
>
> Using it at work with Winblows NT does not give me these options, or
> atleast i should say, in a different, screwed up sort of way.
>
> Dave
>
> On 1/23/07, wendy beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dave, it works perfectly for me.
> > The only whiff I get of undesirable mails is the little message at the
> > bottom of a thread saying
> > "x deleted messages in this conversation"
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > On 1/22/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'll see what happens with this service.
> > >
> > > Time will tell.
> > >
> > > Oh and thanks Rob, Bob got me first.:-)
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > --
> > > Equine Photography
> > > www.caughtinmotion.com
> > > Ontario Canada
> > >
> > > --
> > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > > PDML@pdml.net
> > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> > >
> >
> > --
> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > PDML@pdml.net
> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> >
>
>
> --
> Equine Photography
> www.caughtinmotion.com
> Ontario Canada
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

Exactly.

On Jan 23, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 24/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And if they give me bad feedback in an
>> unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it.
>
> Be thankful nobody has ever given you negative feedback, unfortunately
> even if illegitimately posted it can be very difficult to force it to
> be removed.
>
> -- 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

If they paid with Paypal, they can get their money back. Even if they  
didn't, they can give you negative feedback. For a seller, any  
negative feedback is deadly. Anyone who sells a substantial amount of  
goods on ebay will tell you the same thing: You wait for your  
feedback, which indicates buyer satisfaction. Then, you provide  
feedback. Why would you want to say that the transaction was okay  
before they buyer approves the goods via feedback? As I said  before,  
common sense. Debate it to the death if you wish, but your position  
makes no sense, except perhaps from an ivory tower perspective.
Paul

On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:53 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> How can a buyer blackmail you? You have the money, they have your
> goods. If they're dissatisfied with the goods, tell them to return
> them and then return their money.
>
> Use an insured, tracked shipping service only, and stipulate that in
> the communications surrounding the sale. If the goods do not arrive
> at the destination, the shipper is liable to pay out the insured
> value. If you have to ship where such service does not exist or is
> too expensive, get that into writing before you complete the deal,
> stating that the loss in a situation for non-delivery is between the
> buyer and the shipping company, and document that the item was  
> shipped.
>
> It's the way business transactions have always been done. I see no
> reason to threaten a buyer with bad feedback so that they will write
> good things about me first. And if they give me bad feedback in an
> unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it.
> (No one has ever given me bad feedback.)
>
> G
>
> On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good
>> communication and due caution are just  common sense. But if you
>> provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the
>> merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and
>> possible problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why
>> would you throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction.
>> The buyer can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or
>> that it was not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only
>> assurance you have that this won't happen. Simple logic.
>> Paul
>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

The rise of the SMC-Ks

[J. C. O'Connell]

SMC-K 20mm F4 @ $361.00, ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120076284794

I bought one of these in mint condtion (ebay) only
13 months ago for $233. This is typical, I 
am seeing vintage Pentax K mount lenses, K, M, 
and A series all up about 50% in the last
year or so. My guess is the number of DSLR
bodies is getting much larger, while the number
of these lenses is fixed or actully getting
smaller due to loss or damage. Good ol'
supply and demand in action...


P.S. When I got my SMCK 20/4 I did some test
comparisons with the SMC-M 20/4 and found them
optically virtually identical. I kept the K (sold the M)
though because the focus was really silky and
the M was only "normal" in that regard. The M
version is pretty cool though, the compact
size of it is pretty amazing for such a wide lens...


jco


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WRONG, you are continuing to assume that
> all buyers are reasonable and ethical.
> Sellers cant give pos FB until the buyer
> agrees the deal was good and done by
> giving the seller a pos feedback first.
>
> Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not
> just listings made or payments sent.

Feedback for the buyer and seller is obviously independent, otherwise
eBay would implement a mechanism to ensure that the feedback posted
between buyer and seller was complementary.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

How can a buyer blackmail you? You have the money, they have your  
goods. If they're dissatisfied with the goods, tell them to return  
them and then return their money.

Use an insured, tracked shipping service only, and stipulate that in  
the communications surrounding the sale. If the goods do not arrive  
at the destination, the shipper is liable to pay out the insured  
value. If you have to ship where such service does not exist or is  
too expensive, get that into writing before you complete the deal,  
stating that the loss in a situation for non-delivery is between the  
buyer and the shipping company, and document that the item was shipped.

It's the way business transactions have always been done. I see no  
reason to threaten a buyer with bad feedback so that they will write  
good things about me first. And if they give me bad feedback in an  
unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it.  
(No one has ever given me bad feedback.)

G

On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good
> communication and due caution are just  common sense. But if you
> provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the
> merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and
> possible problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why
> would you throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction.
> The buyer can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or
> that it was not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only
> assurance you have that this won't happen. Simple logic.
> Paul


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

You're a buyer only. That explains a lot. As a seller, I've  
encountered numerous unscrupulous buyers. Usually, I can spot them  
ahead of time. But early on I learned that some will wait until you  
post feedback and then try to blackmail you with the threat of  
negative feedback. They usually ask for a substantial refund based on  
inventive complaints. If I sell, I wait for the other party to post  
feedback. When I buy, I post feedback immediately if I like the  
merchandise. It seems to be the natural order of things.
On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:26 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT- eBay
>
>
>> In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real
>> world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate
>> sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the
>> merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware
>> of rip-off artists.
>
> Two way street Paul. I've only done some 50 eBay transactions, all  
> were
> purchases on my part. I've had two sellers rip me off outright, one  
> seller
> send an item that was nowhere near as advertised, and two vendors who
> refused to leave feedback until after I had left positive feedback  
> for them.
>
> The question I have for this sort of vendor is, if you have been  
> honest and
> haven't misrepresented anything, what are you afraid of?
>
> It is far easier to be an unscrupulous vendor than an unscrupulous  
> buyer,
> and my experience is that there are far more dishonest vendors than  
> there
> are buyers.
>
> William Robb
>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

No bingo. Ebay is a two-way street and buyers are as unscrupulous as  
sellers. If you're an honest seller, you have to be wary of dishonest  
buyers.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:19 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
> Subject: Re: OT- eBay
>
>
>> Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the
>> buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about
>> you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is
>> unethical behavior.
>
> Bingo!! eBay is a leap of faith for the buyer. You pay your money,  
> and you
> hope that the seller is honest, fair and ethical.
> A seller using the feedback mechanism as a means of controlling the  
> buyer
> shows a lack of regard for the fact the buyer ultimately is the one  
> at risk,
> and a lack of respect for the process.
>
> William Robb
>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

WRONG, you are continuing to assume that
all buyers are reasonable and ethical.
Sellers cant give pos FB until the buyer
agrees the deal was good and done by
giving the seller a pos feedback first.

Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not
just listings made or payments sent.

jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:03 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


I don't agree.

Positive feedback from a seller regards a buyer means the buyer paid  
the invoice according to the stipulations of the transaction and  
communicated in a fair and sensible manner. If the buyer didn't pay  
or paid late, or otherwise acted obnoxiously, a note to the ebay  
staff and neutral or negative feedback would be indicated.

Positive feedback from the buyer regards a seller means the seller  
responded to queries, described the item accurately and shipped  
promptly, and that the merchandise was received and met approval. If  
any of these things is out of line, then neutral to negative feedback  
is appropriate if you are being fair and honest about it.

These are two entirely separate sets of criteria. Why should the  
seller's feedback on the buyer happen after the buyer says the  
merchandise is ok?

Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the  
buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about  
you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is  
unethical behavior.

G


On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates 
> that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate 
> that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback 
> before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. ...

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Goodbye Rebel

[Steve Sharpe]

At 5:58 PM -0500 1/23/07, Evan Hanson wrote:
>Well I just got my first Pentax DSLR, a used *ist D.  So far I'm 
>impressed and when combined with my SMCT 50 1.4, well you know how
>that feels.

Sweet! I am starting to get the hang of my new *ist D, which I've had 
for about a month, now. The initial learning curve was steep, 
compared to other new cameras I've bought in the past (I'd still 
rather use switches and dials like the MZ-S and ZX-5N have, instead 
of buttons and menus). However, I took some shots of my model 
railroad last week with the D and my FA 50mm macro which came out 
beautifully.

-- 

Steve Sharpe
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
•

http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

There are numerous cases of buyers complaining to ebay that the  
merchandise was never delivered or was faulty. If it's a paypal deal,  
they can sometimes get their money back. Do as you will, but I prefer  
to wait until I'm sure everything is okay before I post feedback.  
Others are free to do as they please.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real
>> world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate
>> sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the
>> merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware
>> of rip-off artists.
>
> How can the buyer rip off the seller when the seller is the party
> holding the cash? I state quite plainly in my auction details that
> take no responsibility for shipping past the point that it falls into
> the hands of the shipper nominated by the buyer. If the goods are lost
> or damaged it's not my problem and I've never received a complaint
> about inadequate packaging (which I supply for free in 99.9% of
> cases).
>
> If the buyers aren't pleased with the condition of the item I always
> have high res images which I can refer to, if it's a genuine case of
> the item not responding as it should I will offer to refund the buyer
> on receipt of the goods so long as they are adequately re-packed but
> again I don't offer to cover shipping costs as I didn't force them to
> bid from where ever they did.
>
> -- 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


> Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the
> buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about
> you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is
> unethical behavior.

Bingo!! eBay is a leap of faith for the buyer. You pay your money, and you 
hope that the seller is honest, fair and ethical.
A seller using the feedback mechanism as a means of controlling the buyer 
shows a lack of regard for the fact the buyer ultimately is the one at risk, 
and a lack of respect for the process.

William Robb 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT- eBay


> In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real
> world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate
> sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the
> merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware
> of rip-off artists.

Two way street Paul. I've only done some 50 eBay transactions, all were 
purchases on my part. I've had two sellers rip me off outright, one seller 
send an item that was nowhere near as advertised, and two vendors who 
refused to leave feedback until after I had left positive feedback for them.

The question I have for this sort of vendor is, if you have been honest and 
haven't misrepresented anything, what are you afraid of?

It is far easier to be an unscrupulous vendor than an unscrupulous buyer, 
and my experience is that there are far more dishonest vendors than there 
are buyers.

William Robb


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good  
communication and due caution are just  common sense. But if you  
provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the  
merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and  
possible problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why  
would you throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction.  
The buyer can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or  
that it was not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only  
assurance you have that this won't happen. Simple logic.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> I've a number of things to people in Asia, South America, Europe and
> Africa.
>
> In all cases, I require puchasers of goods that live outside the US
> to communicate with me before placing a bid, and I put that right in
> the auction description. I do this because I will not quote the cost
> of shipping without knowing where the item is going, and because the
> cost of shipping might adversely affect the desirability of the item
> due to price.
>
> It opens the line for sensible and effective communications, which
> always improves the quality of the transaction.
>
> G
>
> On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> Most of my recent sales have been to Europe or Asia. The
>> communication is frequently minimal. I ship the goods when I receive
>> payment, but I wait for feedback before I provide the same. True,
>> there are exceptions. Well qualified buyers who communicate well are
>> not cause for concern, and I have at times provided feedback
>> immediately. But those are the exception rather than the rule.
>> Paul
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real
> world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate
> sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the
> merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware
> of rip-off artists.

How can the buyer rip off the seller when the seller is the party
holding the cash? I state quite plainly in my auction details that
take no responsibility for shipping past the point that it falls into
the hands of the shipper nominated by the buyer. If the goods are lost
or damaged it's not my problem and I've never received a complaint
about inadequate packaging (which I supply for free in 99.9% of
cases).

If the buyers aren't pleased with the condition of the item I always
have high res images which I can refer to, if it's a genuine case of
the item not responding as it should I will offer to refund the buyer
on receipt of the goods so long as they are adequately re-packed but
again I don't offer to cover shipping costs as I didn't force them to
bid from where ever they did.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

In several hundred sale transactions, I've only had one buyer who  
acted erratically. He was very nervous, likely because he was paying  
me top dollar for a collectible item and was barely able to afford  
it. He was annoyed even having received it that it wasn't exactly as  
his fantasy about it had set his expectations, even though it was  
very accurately described. I offered to take the item back and refund  
his money without question, split the return shipping charge. He came  
to the conclusion that he liked it too much, it was really what he  
had wanted, and begged off with an apology.

I require buyers to contact me to promote good communications. It  
seems to work. I've only ever had one other "bad sale", not on Ebay,  
by one of those scammers who want to launder money through a seller.  
It's very easy to simply refuse the sale and accept no money from them.

G


On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real
> world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate
> sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the
> merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware
> of rip-off artists.
> Paul


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Post firmware control changes are interesting

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been playing with the new control options after installing the
> firmware upgrade.  I assigned ISO to the unused dials in Av and Tv
> mode.  It's interesting, watching the shutter speed, aperture and ISO
> displays in the viewfinder while adjusting the dials.
>
> This certainly changes things, doesn't it?  It feels like a different,
> in some ways more responsive camera.
>
> I'm interested to hear your reactions after you get a chance to
> experiment a bit.

I've set up my K10D similarly and now there are only a couple of
exposure modes I'll really ever need to use.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

WHY WHY WHY do you or other buyers need immediate
positve feedback? Whats the point? Why not be
patient, wait til you get your goods, and when you
do and are satisfied, leave a positive for the seller.
With all the bullshit going on on ebay, I can tell
you that I am delighted when any deal works as
planned or better and am glad to give sellers + feedback first.
I dont give a rats ass about early + feedback from
a seller, I
care about getting the goods as advertised first and if
I do I reward the seller with a postive FB.
Any decent seller will reciprocate. Thats how I
have been doing ebay for 10 years
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Perry Pellechia
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:51 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


On 1/23/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. 
> There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you 
> commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories 
> of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right 
> after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to lose

> in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts 
> feedback, I don't either. Works for me. Paul

A sellers could look at my feedback and determine that I am a trusted
buyer or not.  Combined with my prompt payment, this should be more than
enough for them to decide they could place the feedback that is
deserved.  If their product is how they described then they should also
be assured that I will have no reason to complain.

Perry.
-- 
<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't believe this was shot at night. It's
> far too dark for a daylight exposure, even on a cloudy day.

Yes, it's a bit under, I just looked again, no lights on the vehicles,
I should have noticed. However relative to the original question re
aliasing the relevance of exposure is minimal at best.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: The other guy's camera

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Re: The other guy's camera


> Interesting observation.
>
> I feel that to. If i had to put it into numbers, i would say my Pentax
> flash shots are about 50-60% in the good category. Nikon is about 80
> or more.
> More consitant, although it could be me screwing up or actually doing
> something correct.:-)

It wouldn't surprise me at all. Nikon has always had very well performing 
flash control compared to anyone else. Flash control is an area where I feel 
Pentax has been very weak since the invention of TTL flash.

William Robb 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

>> Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't believe this was shot at night. It's
>> far too dark for a daylight exposure, even on a cloudy day.
>
> Yes, it's a bit under, I just looked again, no lights on the vehicles,
> I should have noticed. However relative to the original question re
> aliasing the relevance of exposure is minimal at best.

I said that because it was nearly impossible to see the aliasing as  
the image was presented, Rob. The grill in both cases was a muddy,  
dark mass of grayish splotches until I brought up the values to a  
more normal setting.

Godfrey

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've a number of things to people in Asia, South America, Europe and  
Africa.

In all cases, I require puchasers of goods that live outside the US  
to communicate with me before placing a bid, and I put that right in  
the auction description. I do this because I will not quote the cost  
of shipping without knowing where the item is going, and because the  
cost of shipping might adversely affect the desirability of the item  
due to price.

It opens the line for sensible and effective communications, which  
always improves the quality of the transaction.

G

On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Most of my recent sales have been to Europe or Asia. The
> communication is frequently minimal. I ship the goods when I receive
> payment, but I wait for feedback before I provide the same. True,
> there are exceptions. Well qualified buyers who communicate well are
> not cause for concern, and I have at times provided feedback
> immediately. But those are the exception rather than the rule.
> Paul

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real  
world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate  
sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the  
merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware  
of rip-off artists.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> I don't agree.
>
> Positive feedback from a seller regards a buyer means the buyer paid
> the invoice according to the stipulations of the transaction and
> communicated in a fair and sensible manner. If the buyer didn't pay
> or paid late, or otherwise acted obnoxiously, a note to the ebay
> staff and neutral or negative feedback would be indicated.
>
> Positive feedback from the buyer regards a seller means the seller
> responded to queries, described the item accurately and shipped
> promptly, and that the merchandise was received and met approval. If
> any of these things is out of line, then neutral to negative feedback
> is appropriate if you are being fair and honest about it.
>
> These are two entirely separate sets of criteria. Why should the
> seller's feedback on the buyer happen after the buyer says the
> merchandise is ok?
>
> Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the
> buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about
> you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is
> unethical behavior.
>
> G
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates
>> that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate
>> that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback
>> before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. ...
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

>>  I think that
>> the image successfully conveys the feel of the light at the time.
>
> Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't believe this was shot at night. It's
> far too dark for a daylight exposure, even on a cloudy day.

I agree.

G

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't agree.

Positive feedback from a seller regards a buyer means the buyer paid  
the invoice according to the stipulations of the transaction and  
communicated in a fair and sensible manner. If the buyer didn't pay  
or paid late, or otherwise acted obnoxiously, a note to the ebay  
staff and neutral or negative feedback would be indicated.

Positive feedback from the buyer regards a seller means the seller  
responded to queries, described the item accurately and shipped  
promptly, and that the merchandise was received and met approval. If  
any of these things is out of line, then neutral to negative feedback  
is appropriate if you are being fair and honest about it.

These are two entirely separate sets of criteria. Why should the  
seller's feedback on the buyer happen after the buyer says the  
merchandise is ok?

Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the  
buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about  
you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is  
unethical behavior.

G


On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates
> that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate
> that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback
> before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. ...

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Perry Pellechia]

On 1/23/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does.
> There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you
> commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories
> of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right
> after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to
> lose in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts
> feedback, I don't either. Works for me.
> Paul

A sellers could look at my feedback and determine that I am a trusted
buyer or not.  Combined with my prompt payment, this should be more
than enough for them to decide they could place the feedback that is
deserved.  If their product is how they described then they should
also be assured that I will have no reason to complain.

Perry.
-- 
<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

Most of my recent sales have been to Europe or Asia. The  
communication is frequently minimal. I ship the goods when I receive  
payment, but I wait for feedback before I provide the same. True,  
there are exceptions. Well qualified buyers who communicate well are  
not cause for concern, and I have at times provided feedback  
immediately. But those are the exception rather than the rule.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates
>> that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate
>> that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback
>> before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. The true "jerk" is
>> the seller who does so.
>
> The seller who is confident that the goods that go were as represented
> should have nothing to fear but the occasional person who is an
> aberration to the norm (but that's the same in all areas of living of
> course). Generally the buyers response to your emails combined with
> their eBay feedback provides a fair indication of how easy they will
> be to deal with That's one big reason why the checkout system doesn't
> work for me as a seller.
>
> -- 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

>  I think that
> the image successfully conveys the feel of the light at the time.

Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't believe this was shot at night. It's  
far too dark for a daylight exposure, even on a cloudy day.
Paul


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

WRONG- you assume all buyers are like you.
Ebay sellers have to deal with all kinds
of nutty buyers and the deal isnt done
just because they paid.
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:07 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:

> I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he

> "thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving 
> positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback 
> for us."
>
> This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He

> should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have 
> lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered 
> part of the payment.
>
> Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with 
> this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.

I agree with you. I refuse to leave feedback for anyone who implies a  
threat like that, unless it's negative feedback, and I usually report  
such nonsense to the Ebay staff.

As a seller, I post feedback on the buyer when I have received  
payment and shipped the product to them via a tracked service. That's  
when my part of the transaction is complete.

As a buyer, I leave feedback when the transaction is completed ...  
when I have received all the merchandise I paid for and verified its  
condition. Earlier than that would not reflect an evaluation of the  
transaction, that's when the transaction is complete.

Case in point:

My old LD player died for the third time and I could not justify  
sending it out for a $240 repair again. Meanwhile, I still have a  
huge number of LDs that I like, many of which are not available on  
DVD yet (nor do I really want to buy them again). So I hunted around  
and found that I could get a serviceable if not quite the same  
quality Pioneer CL D2400 for about $35 from a vendor on Ebay. Not a  
great player but good enough for my purposes. I used the BIN, paid  
immediately, and waited for the package to arrive. The seller and  
shipped the package on time, left positive feedback as I had  
fulfilled my part of the transaction. The player arrived on schedule,  
but the remote listed in the auction was not in the box. I sent a  
note asking whether there'd been some mistake, as the auction clearly  
listed the remote as included. The seller responded within a day,  
their mistake, and they would send on the remote separately. It  
arrived in four days, I tested it with the player and everything  
worked well, the seller had completed their part of the transaction  
properly. I left feedback that the transaction was positive with good  
communications and item as described.

That's how it should work.

Only a jerk would consider the feedback to be part of the transaction  
on the part of the buyer and the obligation of the buyer to post  
first. I would never knowingly buy anything from a jerk.

G


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

Sorry but you are assuming that the buyer will
keep the item, isnt going to make some kind
of ridiculous claim that the item isnt as described, isnt
going to make a total refund paypal claim, etc. If a seller
leaves a postive feedback before the buyer
does, he has no recourse to unfair negative
feedback and some buyers will try to make
outrageous demands or threaten to give a negative FB
( without any risk to their own feedback, if
you gave them a premature postive before the transaction
was completed).

Now you may ask, why couldnt the seller
take advantage of the buyer after the buyer
has left a positive feedback first, well,
I guess they could leave a negative after
a buyer left a positive, but I have never
heard of such a thing ever on ebay and I
have been doing ebay for over 10 years and
I have seen all kinds of crazy stuff going
on there. How psycho could a seller be to
leave a buyer negative after a buyer left
him a positive first? THAT would really be
sick.
jco




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:50 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay



- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: OT- eBay


> Actually, I really dont see how feedback can
> logically be left in any other sequence, buyer
> leaves first, then seller reciprocates.

I'm not following your logic (not surprising).
What you are saying is that it doesn't matter that the buyer completes
the 
transaction in good faith?
If I pay, it shouldn't matter if you screw up your end, I've still
completed 
my end of the transaction.
The feedback mechanism allows sellers to reply to feedback if they feel
so 
inclined.

William Robb 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

I would give repeat buyers immediate feedback as well, but for  
unknown buyers, I wait.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:41 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> I wouldn't have thought so a couple of years ago, but I agree now.  I
> give repeat buyers feedback right away.
> I never _ask_ for buyers to leave me feedback - except when they  
> are new
> to ebay - I write something like
> I'll be sure to leave you good feedback when I get your payment and  
> hope
> you will do the same when you
> receive the item - let me know if there are any problems, etc..
>
> I chat a lot with the buyers - always write personal notes on bills,
> etc... but once when I gave someone
> a nice thank you for quick payment right away the woman wrote and said
> she wanted her money back
> because the item wasnt "authentic"  (it was, of course, and I  
> documented
> it well for her - never heard from
> her again after I told her I still would happily take it back as there
> were others who wanted it. )
>
> I want reassurance that a package arrived safely and buyer is pleased.
> As a buyer (which I seldom am) I leave feedback real fast as a
> seller I dawdle a bit and
> do a bunch at once.
>
> ann
>
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates
>> that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate
>> that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback
>> before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish
>>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

NOPE, see my earlier posts. sellers
cant leave postives until the buyer
buys, and just paying is not buying.
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
keith_w
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:45 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


Perry Pellechia wrote:
> On 1/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the 
>> confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller 
>> should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving 
>> positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't 
>> ethical.


> I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he

> "thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving 
> positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback 
> for us."
> 
> This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He

> should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have 
> lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered 
> part of the payment.
> 
> Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with 
> this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.


I'm on your side, Perry. He's out of line...

keith whaley

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates
> that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate
> that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback
> before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. The true "jerk" is
> the seller who does so.

The seller who is confident that the goods that go were as represented
should have nothing to fear but the occasional person who is an
aberration to the norm (but that's the same in all areas of living of
course). Generally the buyers response to your emails combined with
their eBay feedback provides a fair indication of how easy they will
be to deal with That's one big reason why the checkout system doesn't
work for me as a seller.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Post firmware control changes are interesting

[George Sinos]

I've been playing with the new control options after installing the
firmware upgrade.  I assigned ISO to the unused dials in Av and Tv
mode.  It's interesting, watching the shutter speed, aperture and ISO
displays in the viewfinder while adjusting the dials.

This certainly changes things, doesn't it?  It feels like a different,
in some ways more responsive camera.

I'm interested to hear your reactions after you get a chance to
experiment a bit.

See you later, gs


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[ann sanfedele]

I wouldn't have thought so a couple of years ago, but I agree now.  I 
give repeat buyers feedback right away.
I never _ask_ for buyers to leave me feedback - except when they are new 
to ebay - I write something like
I'll be sure to leave you good feedback when I get your payment and hope 
you will do the same when you
receive the item - let me know if there are any problems, etc..

I chat a lot with the buyers - always write personal notes on bills, 
etc... but once when I gave someone
a nice thank you for quick payment right away the woman wrote and said 
she wanted her money back
because the item wasnt "authentic"  (it was, of course, and I documented 
it well for her - never heard from
her again after I told her I still would happily take it back as there 
were others who wanted it. )

I want reassurance that a package arrived safely and buyer is pleased.  
As a buyer (which I seldom am) I leave feedback real fast as a 
seller I dawdle a bit and
do a bunch at once.

ann


Paul Stenquist wrote:

>It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates  
>that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate  
>that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback  
>before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish
>




-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Found a new model over Christmas

[Beaker]

Thanks all!

Skye has a point about the floor in the first picture. It really does  
need attention. I got it a little darker, and found a limit to my  
photoshop skills. I'll take another whack at it, and post the results.

Cheers
Mike


On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Amita Guha wrote:

> Cute little guy, and nice photos! :)
>
> Amita
>
> On 1/21/07, Beaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> I found a new model over Christmas. He adopted my parents, but he was
>> getting under foot- an little orange trip hazard.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike
>>
>> --
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates  
that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate  
that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback  
before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. The true "jerk" is  
the seller who does so.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:
>
>> I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer  
>> and he
>> "thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving
>> positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback
>> for us."
>>
>> This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately.
>> He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have
>> lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered
>> part of the payment.
>>
>> Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with
>> this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.
>
> I agree with you. I refuse to leave feedback for anyone who implies a
> threat like that, unless it's negative feedback, and I usually report
> such nonsense to the Ebay staff.
>
> As a seller, I post feedback on the buyer when I have received
> payment and shipped the product to them via a tracked service. That's
> when my part of the transaction is complete.
>
> As a buyer, I leave feedback when the transaction is completed ...
> when I have received all the merchandise I paid for and verified its
> condition. Earlier than that would not reflect an evaluation of the
> transaction, that's when the transaction is complete.
>
> Case in point:
>
> My old LD player died for the third time and I could not justify
> sending it out for a $240 repair again. Meanwhile, I still have a
> huge number of LDs that I like, many of which are not available on
> DVD yet (nor do I really want to buy them again). So I hunted around
> and found that I could get a serviceable if not quite the same
> quality Pioneer CL D2400 for about $35 from a vendor on Ebay. Not a
> great player but good enough for my purposes. I used the BIN, paid
> immediately, and waited for the package to arrive. The seller and
> shipped the package on time, left positive feedback as I had
> fulfilled my part of the transaction. The player arrived on schedule,
> but the remote listed in the auction was not in the box. I sent a
> note asking whether there'd been some mistake, as the auction clearly
> listed the remote as included. The seller responded within a day,
> their mistake, and they would send on the remote separately. It
> arrived in four days, I tested it with the player and everything
> worked well, the seller had completed their part of the transaction
> properly. I left feedback that the transaction was positive with good
> communications and item as described.
>
> That's how it should work.
>
> Only a jerk would consider the feedback to be part of the transaction
> on the part of the buyer and the obligation of the buyer to post
> first. I would never knowingly buy anything from a jerk.
>
> G
>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Paul Stenquist]

I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does.  
There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you  
commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories  
of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right  
after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to  
lose in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts  
feedback, I don't either. Works for me.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:44 PM, keith_w wrote:

> Perry Pellechia wrote:
>> On 1/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the  
>>> confines of
>>> the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be  
>>> giving me
>>> positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as  
>>> part of the
>>> deal.
>>> To do otherewise isn't ethical.
>
>
>> I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer  
>> and he
>> "thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving
>> positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback
>> for us."
>>
>> This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately.
>> He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have
>> lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered
>> part of the payment.
>>
>> Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with
>> this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.
>
>
> I'm on your side, Perry. He's out of line...
>
> keith whaley
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With regards to EV compensation - you are probably right, this was frame
> No.76 shot on autopilot (apart from manual focusing). I've never used
> matrix metering on my Pentax cameras before (because they didn't offer
> any) so the purpose of there shots is also to learn how the camera
> behaves in the various lighting conditions and what results I can expect.

The matrix metering obviously took account of the traffic signal lamp
in this case. The image overall is low key and the crops if not
considered in context may look underexposed but overall I think that
the image successfully conveys the feel of the light at the time. You
could always massage the levels to brighten it up and add more
contrast/punch and then oversaturate it to blazes so it looked more
like near everyone else's idealized images of course, maybe even give
it the "HDR treatment" ;-)

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hello! (introduction)

[P. J. Alling]

Cotty wrote:
>   
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>   
 Gonz wrote:

 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
>
>   
>> Gonz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
 Scott Loveless wrote:

   



 
> On 1/22/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>   
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Re: Hello! (introduction)
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Kenneth Waller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
> Mark Roberts wrote
> DagT wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>   
>>> Fra: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> mike wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
> From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>   
>> Fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
 From: "Gonz"

  

   



 
>> I don't differentiate.
>>
>>  
>>   
>>
>> 
> Do you integrate?
>
> 
>  
>   
 I assimilate.

  
   

 
>>> You, too?  I thought it was just Cotty.
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>   
>> I thought he permutated.
>>  
>>   
>>
>> 
> No, he is a derivative
>
> 
>  
>   
 Just as long as he is not multiplying.
  
   

 
>>> This thread does not add up
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>   
>> So it should be divided...
>>  
>>   
>>
>> 
> Well I've never been an exponent of that sort of behavior...
>
>>>

Re: aliasing/moire

[Paul Stenquist]

They appear to be considerably underexposed to me and are a bit noisy.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

> Hi Godfrey,
>
>> You might try exposing with about +0.7 to 1.3 EV compensation. These
>> are very dark and dim on my screen, it's almost impossible to see any
>> moire amidst the underexposure noise.
>
> now that's interesting - does anybody else see underexposure noise
> instead of the moire? According to the Photoshop's Eyedropper tool,
> average brightness of the sky is about 70, and of the cab 40 (on a  
> 0-100
> scale) so I suppose it shouldn't be too dark. But my notebook  
> screen is
> not calibrated so anything is possible...
>
> With regards to EV compensation - you are probably right, this was  
> frame
> No.76 shot on autopilot (apart from manual focusing). I've never used
> matrix metering on my Pentax cameras before (because they didn't offer
> any) so the purpose of there shots is also to learn how the camera
> behaves in the various lighting conditions and what results I can  
> expect.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: Bionic Eyes?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2007/01/22/national/a105720S56.DTL

I was talking about this very thing to a friend of mine who become
totally blind though complications related to diabetes the other day.
Thanks for pointing out the article.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Even ACR with its magical Color Noise Reduction Tool failed to correct
> these artifacts completely. What do you do when it occurs to you? Use of
> lower quality lens would probably help as such lens will provide
> additional anti-aliasing filter on its own, but I don't believe that
> those are so-called digitally optimized lenses... :-)

>From recollection the AA filter in the *ist Ds was a higher frequency
than the *ist D which many complained wasn't as "sharp" as its
contemporaries from other manufacturers, there's always a trade off.
The fact is that most decent lenses stopped down a little will out
resolve the 6MP DSLRs so if the AA filter has been selected to provide
a bit more apparent sharpness some occasionally aliasing in the
captures will be the outcome. How the camera's processor or RAW file
convertor software manages it depends on how "clever" the software is.

Personally I've rather the camera was engineered to minimize the
occurrence however in certain conditions (which you found)
occasionally even a spacial frequency of multiples of the native
resolution will cause visible aliasing. As others have mentioned the
crops are dark but of course that's nothing to do with the aliasing
which is plainly visible as a rainbow across the grille of the right
vehicle after auto-level adjustment. Looking at the blue bus sign at
the rear it's obviously that the grill bar frequency is far less than
the system resolution, so in this case I'd suggest that it's more a
problem in the RAW convertor, ie how it deals with regular high
frequency pattern data.

The colour noise reduction tool isn't designed to manage aliasing
errors, it's primary purpose is to manage chroma noise which becomes
more prevalent as ISO is increased. It's really a case of suck it and
see, sometimes RAW software doesn't behave the optimally so we have to
compromise. In the case of the radiator grille I'd simply create a
rough mask and desaturate it.

Cheers,

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Amazing used glass prices

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Rob, do you have a link for that FA 300? I think that's the one
> I'm going to sell next.

I don't know if he was just lucky but I hope you do as well:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220060064881

> You guys should see the prices I got for my Limited lenses on ebay.
> Over $700 each for each of the 77mms, and $835 for the 31mm. Needless
> to say, I'm pretty happy...

No doubt, I wish I could cash in too, unfortunately it's not possible
in my current circumstances.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: A little *ist D statistics

[Digital Image Studio]

On 23/01/07, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That was about all my budget could handle and it simply was not
> enough for serious stock shooting (back when there was a viable market
> for stock photos.)

Hi Mark,

I'd be interested if you could expand a bit further on your statement
above, how has the stock photo market transformed since you've been
involved?

Cheers,

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I brought the three images into Photoshop and examined them. The  
foreground where your detail clips are from are underexposed by at  
least 1 stop. I applied a fairly intense adjustment curve to them,  
all three, which brought them up to a reasonable level and revealed  
the moire you noticed.

No, that cannot be removed by Color Noise Reduction alone. A more  
successful technique for this photo, since the moire color noise is  
on what ought to be a monochromatic grill structure, is to select  
just that portion of the image and use a Channel Mixer layer above it  
to render the grill to monochrome. You can then be tricky and use a  
little masking and a Curves adjustment layer to completely even out  
the rendering.

Godfrey

On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Same here.
> Dark images with no moire noticed.
>
> Dave
>
> On 1/23/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Godfrey,
>>
>>> You might try exposing with about +0.7 to 1.3 EV compensation. These
>>> are very dark and dim on my screen, it's almost impossible to see  
>>> any
>>> moire amidst the underexposure noise.
>>
>> now that's interesting - does anybody else see underexposure noise
>> instead of the moire? According to the Photoshop's Eyedropper tool,
>> average brightness of the sky is about 70, and of the cab 40 (on a  
>> 0-100
>> scale) so I suppose it shouldn't be too dark. But my notebook  
>> screen is
>> not calibrated so anything is possible...
>>
>> With regards to EV compensation - you are probably right, this was  
>> frame
>> No.76 shot on autopilot (apart from manual focusing). I've never used
>> matrix metering on my Pentax cameras before (because they didn't  
>> offer
>> any) so the purpose of there shots is also to learn how the camera
>> behaves in the various lighting conditions and what results I can  
>> expect.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> --
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Equine Photography
> www.caughtinmotion.com
> Ontario Canada
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D Firmware Download(?)

[Jack Davis]

Thanks William and Godders for your help. It's done!!

Jack
--- Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was fairly sure I'd stumble some in attempting to implement this
> firmware update, but I'm getting absolutely nowhere.
> Running Windows XP.
> I downloaded it to my desktop from the Pentax site, but can't
> retrieve
> it. Don't know how many times I've seen the screen stating (in part)
> "Internet Explorer cannot display...".
> Tried opening it from Yahoo home page (inserting "k10e110w" in drop
> down dialog box and even from Word Perfect's My Documents.
> Any "DUMBED DOWN help will be greatly appreciated. Sort of a tiny
> baby
> step at a time.
> I have an errand to take care of, so will be away for a short time.
> If
> there are no comments offered, I'll understand and be fine with it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
>  
>

> Bored stiff? Loosen up... 
> Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
> http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> 


__
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Lets see how gmail hold up here

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seems Safari like gmail. I have options to expand and collapse the threads.
>
> Using it at work with Winblows NT does not give me these options, or
> atleast i should say, in a different, screwed up sort of way.

That would be due to a browser deficit, Firefox is a free browser and
works quite well with Gmail

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - Flying

[Bruce Dayton]

Many thanks to all who have replied.  It seems that most of you feel
like me in that there is context that needs to be preserved.  I have
tried Kenneth's suggested crop here and I think it works pretty well.
It gets rid of some of the empty sky without losing the context, I
think.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280a.htm

Original

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280.htm

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, January 23, 2007, 1:27:43 PM, you wrote:

KW> Bruce, I just did a rectangular crop (3 to 2), putting the birds in the
KW> upper left quadrant & I think its an improvement.
KW> The blank sky bothered me more than anything else in the original image

KW> Kenneth Waller

KW> - Original Message - 
KW> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
KW> Subject: PESO - Flying


>> I'd like some feedback on this.  The issue is whether to crop it or
>> not.  What I like about this presentation is that you can get the
>> sense of them flying over the trees.  Cropping removes that context.
>> On the other hand, there is sufficient detail in the ducks to handle
>> some crop.
>>
>> Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X AF 400/5.6, Handheld
>> ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4280.htm
>>
>> Comments welcome
>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce





-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hello! (introduction)

[David Savage]

At 09:55 AM 24/01/2007, Eric Featherstone wrote:
>On 23/01/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>> Gonz wrote:
> > >>>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >Gonz wrote:
> > >
> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Scott Loveless wrote:
> > >>>
> > On 1/22/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Re: Hello! (introduction)
> > >
> > >>Kenneth Waller wrote:
> > >>
> > Mark Roberts wrote
> > DagT wrote:
> > 
> > >>Fra: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>mike wilson wrote:
> > >>
> > From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > >Fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >>From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>From: "Gonz"
> > >>>
> > >I don't differentiate.
> > 
> > Do you integrate?
> > >>>
> > >>>I assimilate.
> > >>
> > >>You, too?  I thought it was just Cotty.
> > >
> > >I thought he permutated.
> > 
> > No, he is a derivative
> > >>>
> > >>>Just as long as he is not multiplying.
> > >>
> > >>This thread does not add up
> > >
> > >So it should be divided...
> > 
> > Well I've never been an exponent of that sort of behavior...
> > >>>
> > >>>Yeah, sometimes its hard to differentiate.
> > >>
> > >>Which makes it difficult to tell if what you're seeing is real or
> > >>imaginary.
> > >
> > >Nothing is real. It's all imaginary.
> > 
> > Don't be so obtuse.
> > >>>
> > >>>Are you trying to be acute?
> > >>
> > >>Thats a bad sine.
> > >
> > >That's it, we've reached bottom, it's time to wave goodbye.
> > 
> > Lets not get irrational, have some pi.
> > >>>
> > >>> Don't go off on a tangent, now.
> > >>
> > >> Surely there must be a limit to this infinite series of statements.
> > >>
> > >Nah. We need to keep going to get to the root.
> >
> > If this goes on much more I'm gonna shit a log!
>
>Naturally? Or base10?

That's it I'm 'outta here, Cos I need to work on my Tan.

Cheers,

Dave



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Lets see how gmail hold up here

[David J Brooks]

Seems Safari like gmail. I have options to expand and collapse the threads.

Using it at work with Winblows NT does not give me these options, or
atleast i should say, in a different, screwed up sort of way.

Dave

On 1/23/07, wendy beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave, it works perfectly for me.
> The only whiff I get of undesirable mails is the little message at the
> bottom of a thread saying
> "x deleted messages in this conversation"
>
> :-)
>
> On 1/22/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'll see what happens with this service.
> >
> > Time will tell.
> >
> > Oh and thanks Rob, Bob got me first.:-)
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --
> > Equine Photography
> > www.caughtinmotion.com
> > Ontario Canada
> >
> > --
> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > PDML@pdml.net
> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> >
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>


-- 
Equine Photography
www.caughtinmotion.com
Ontario Canada

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer
> has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative
> feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day.
> However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that their
> business paractices are perhaps a bit shady.

>From my experience the vast majority of sellers are like this, it
definitely seems to be the rule more than the exception. I'm generally
a prompt payer as a buyer yet there are many instances where I've not
received feedback until well after I've left feedback or not at all.
As a seller I virtually always leave feedback once payment has cleared
in my account. The exception might be where the buyer is obviously
belligerent and potentially a source of trouble ie suggests that I
deviate from my terms post auction for instance demanding that I
accept Paypal payments, credit card payments, escrow etc when my terms
state plainly that they are not options.

I've mainly sold on eBay and I've only ever received one negative from
an idiot who simply changed his mind about his interest in the
transaction and left me a neg without warning. I've left more feedback
than I've received, I guess in part because I don't use it as
leverage. Then again some people are just lazy and either don't
understand the feedback concept or simply can't be bothered, those
people never bid on my auctions again.

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hoya might sell Pentax?

[David J Brooks]

Good thing i'm a two system guy, eh.;-0

Dave

On 1/23/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah, another Zenith, RCA, or Sylvania! Just a name to market third party
> products under. Beginning to look like the doomsayers were right.
>
> -graywolf
>
>
> K.Takeshita wrote:
> > Folks, sky is not falling but a today's news indicated that CEO of Hoya, in
> > the presentation today on their financials, question was asked what Hoya
> > would do on Pentax Imaging (camera) biz.
> > He apparently answered that [if there is no appreciable return, but selling
> > would add more value to the biz, we might choose to do so].
> >
> > Leaving this to your interpretation.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>


-- 
Equine Photography
www.caughtinmotion.com
Ontario Canada

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[David J Brooks]

Same here.
Dark images with no moire noticed.

Dave

On 1/23/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Godfrey,
>
> > You might try exposing with about +0.7 to 1.3 EV compensation. These
> > are very dark and dim on my screen, it's almost impossible to see any
> > moire amidst the underexposure noise.
>
> now that's interesting - does anybody else see underexposure noise
> instead of the moire? According to the Photoshop's Eyedropper tool,
> average brightness of the sky is about 70, and of the cab 40 (on a 0-100
> scale) so I suppose it shouldn't be too dark. But my notebook screen is
> not calibrated so anything is possible...
>
> With regards to EV compensation - you are probably right, this was frame
> No.76 shot on autopilot (apart from manual focusing). I've never used
> matrix metering on my Pentax cameras before (because they didn't offer
> any) so the purpose of there shots is also to learn how the camera
> behaves in the various lighting conditions and what results I can expect.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>


-- 
Equine Photography
www.caughtinmotion.com
Ontario Canada

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: The other guy's camera

[David J Brooks]

Interesting observation.

I feel that to. If i had to put it into numbers, i would say my Pentax
flash shots are about 50-60% in the good category. Nikon is about 80
or more.
More consitant, although it could be me screwing up or actually doing
something correct.:-)

Dave

On 1/23/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People's needs differ. I hardly ever use flash, and use mostly manual
> flash when I do, so a bazillion features and controls for wireless
> flash add almost nothing to a camera's functionality for me. Even if
> I do buy a couple of P-TTL dedicated flash units, I'm sure the K10D's
> controls will be just fine for my use.
>
> If flash use was a priority, I'd have purchased a Nikon as I feel
> they have the best flash system on the market today.
>
> :-)
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
> > It depends on what you mean by control. The D80 does offer controls
> > that
> > the K10D doesn't (notably in the Wireless flash system, which is more
> > complex and capable on the D80 with full multi-group independant
> > control, while the K10D can only control one group) while the K10D
> > offers more exposure modes (TAv and Sv) and the easy RAW button.
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>


-- 
Equine Photography
www.caughtinmotion.com
Ontario Canada

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:

> I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he
> "thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving
> positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback
> for us."
>
> This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately.
> He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have
> lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered
> part of the payment.
>
> Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with
> this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.

I agree with you. I refuse to leave feedback for anyone who implies a  
threat like that, unless it's negative feedback, and I usually report  
such nonsense to the Ebay staff.

As a seller, I post feedback on the buyer when I have received  
payment and shipped the product to them via a tracked service. That's  
when my part of the transaction is complete.

As a buyer, I leave feedback when the transaction is completed ...  
when I have received all the merchandise I paid for and verified its  
condition. Earlier than that would not reflect an evaluation of the  
transaction, that's when the transaction is complete.

Case in point:

My old LD player died for the third time and I could not justify  
sending it out for a $240 repair again. Meanwhile, I still have a  
huge number of LDs that I like, many of which are not available on  
DVD yet (nor do I really want to buy them again). So I hunted around  
and found that I could get a serviceable if not quite the same  
quality Pioneer CL D2400 for about $35 from a vendor on Ebay. Not a  
great player but good enough for my purposes. I used the BIN, paid  
immediately, and waited for the package to arrive. The seller and  
shipped the package on time, left positive feedback as I had  
fulfilled my part of the transaction. The player arrived on schedule,  
but the remote listed in the auction was not in the box. I sent a  
note asking whether there'd been some mistake, as the auction clearly  
listed the remote as included. The seller responded within a day,  
their mistake, and they would send on the remote separately. It  
arrived in four days, I tested it with the player and everything  
worked well, the seller had completed their part of the transaction  
properly. I left feedback that the transaction was positive with good  
communications and item as described.

That's how it should work.

Only a jerk would consider the feedback to be part of the transaction  
on the part of the buyer and the obligation of the buyer to post  
first. I would never knowingly buy anything from a jerk.

G


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hello! (introduction)

[Eric Featherstone]

On 23/01/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> Gonz wrote:
> >>>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> >Gonz wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Scott Loveless wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> On 1/22/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Re: Hello! (introduction)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Kenneth Waller wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> Mark Roberts wrote
> DagT wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>Fra: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>mike wilson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Gonz"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >I don't differentiate.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Do you integrate?
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>I assimilate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>You, too?  I thought it was just Cotty.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I thought he permutated.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> No, he is a derivative
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>Just as long as he is not multiplying.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>This thread does not add up
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So it should be divided...
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Well I've never been an exponent of that sort of behavior...
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>Yeah, sometimes its hard to differentiate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Which makes it difficult to tell if what you're seeing is real or
> >>imaginary.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Nothing is real. It's all imaginary.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Don't be so obtuse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>Are you trying to be acute?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Thats a bad sine.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >That's it, we've reached bottom, it's time to wave goodbye.
> >
> >
> 
> Lets not get irrational, have some pi.
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>> Don't go off on a tangent, now.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Surely there must be a limit to this infinite series of statements.
> >>
> >Nah. We need to keep going to get to the root.
>
> If this goes on much more I'm gonna shit a log!

Naturally? Or base10?

Eric.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

NOPE, I think you are wrong in assuming that you should
get feedback first as the buyer just because you paid
for the item in a timely manner. Thats not completing
the purchase, leaving feedback is. 
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Perry Pellechia
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:27 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


On 1/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the 
> confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should

> be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive 
> feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical.
>

I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he
"thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving
positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for
us."

This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He
should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have lived
up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of
the payment.

Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with
this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.

-- 
<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[keith_w]

Perry Pellechia wrote:
> On 1/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of
>> the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me
>> positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the
>> deal.
>> To do otherewise isn't ethical.


> I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he
> "thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving
> positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback
> for us."
> 
> This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately.
> He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have
> lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered
> part of the payment.
> 
> Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with
> this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.


I'm on your side, Perry. He's out of line...

keith whaley

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: OT- eBay


> Actually, I really dont see how feedback can
> logically be left in any other sequence, buyer
> leaves first, then seller reciprocates.

I'm not following your logic (not surprising).
What you are saying is that it doesn't matter that the buyer completes the 
transaction in good faith?
If I pay, it shouldn't matter if you screw up your end, I've still completed 
my end of the transaction.
The feedback mechanism allows sellers to reply to feedback if they feel so 
inclined.

William Robb 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know it's disappearing. But I flew over it in Feb/Mar 1998 and there
> was a fair bit of snow on top.

Good God, get your facts straight man! ;-)

-- 
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Working with my K10D Raw images

[David Savage]

At 03:11 AM 24/01/2007, Barry Rice wrote:
>I have the impression that Adobe bought RawShooter specifically to kill it;
>I'm not sure this is the case.

I'm of the opinion that the original developers started it so they could 
sell it to the highest bidder. How long was it out before being sold. 1-2 
years?

Cheers,

Dave 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT- eBay

[J. C. O'Connell]

I never leave feedback as a seller until I get
positive feedback first from the buyer because
this confirms they got the item and are satisfied
with it and the transaction is completed. If a
seller leaves feedback before the buyer, he
has no recourse for crazy negatives or negative
feedback threats or extortions...

Likewise, as a buyer I dont expect a postive
until after I leave one for the seller first
to let them know we are done with the deal.

Actually, I really dont see how feedback can
logically be left in any other sequence, buyer
leaves first, then seller reciprocates.
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:02 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


> I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the 
> buyer has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave 
> negative feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled 
> the day. However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being 
> suspicious that their business paractices are perhaps a bit shady.
>
> William Robb
> ==
> Uh. I routinely will not leave feedback until I get feedback. Of 
> course, I am just a small time seller, selling personal items. But by 
> doing that then I am
> guaranteed of feedback, otherwise people won't bother.
>
> I probably should mention I have a 100% rating.
>
> So I certainly do not regard it as a sneaky practice, but a reminder 
> practice.
>

If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines
of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving
me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part
of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical.

William Robb


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Moral dilemma

[P. J. Alling]

Seems to me that the BBC can't decide if it's organized. (or 
disorganized), crime.

Cotty wrote:
> On 23/1/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>>> Define distasteful !
>>>   
>> I meant it as a generic statement.  Distasteful varies from person to
>> person, as well as having a cultural side.  As a personal guide, I would
>> have it mean "to take advantage of the subject".  You could add
>> disclaimers such as "for no valid reason" but then you are into defining
>> validity.  Everyone knows what their personal beliefs and customs are. 
>> Sometimes it is good to move outside them, even by accident, but one
>> needs to know why.
>> 
>
> Granted. Everyone has limits, but I think setting them generically is
> implausible. Mercifully we have the rule of law in the civilised world
> because obviously we do not want anarchy. It's a tricky area. I'm a
> hardass newsguy but I tell you what - if I found a tenner lying in the
> road, I'd take it to the police station. And in fact I have.
>
> I have no bones about filming/photographing a corpse, but trudging along
> a beach with bits of motorcycle I find abhorrent !
>
> 
>
> 
>
>   


-- 
--

The more I know of men, the more I like my dog.
-- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[Perry Pellechia]

On 1/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of
> the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me
> positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the
> deal.
> To do otherewise isn't ethical.
>

I agree 100%.  I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he
"thanked" me for the sale and wrote "you can anticipate us leaving
positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback
for us."

This is BS.  I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately.
He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment.  I have
lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered
part of the payment.

Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with
this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback.

-- 
<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT- eBay

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT- eBay


> I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer
> has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative
> feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day.
> However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that
> their
> business paractices are perhaps a bit shady.
>
> William Robb
> ==
> Uh. I routinely will not leave feedback until I get feedback. Of course, I
> am
> just a small time seller, selling personal items. But by doing that then I
> am
> guaranteed of feedback, otherwise people won't bother.
>
> I probably should mention I have a 100% rating.
>
> So I certainly do not regard it as a sneaky practice, but a reminder
> practice.
>

If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of
the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me
positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the
deal.
To do otherewise isn't ethical.

William Robb


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Interest in developing a software around photograhy?

[John Coyle]

Thibouille, why not try an images database?  It's an interesting exercise, 
and tests both database design skills and GUI design.  I did one and found 
the hardest part was incorporating thumbnails in the GUI without loading the 
images into the database!
The additional benefit is, of course, you get to use it afterwards to keep 
track of your images...

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Thibouille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:15 AM
Subject: Interest in developing a software around photograhy?


>I have to produce a software as a final evaluation of my computer
> sciences studies.
> Of course, nothing like a RAW converter etc. but maybe there a couple
> things which would be handy to have in a little software?
>
> Conversions? (focal length, DOF...)
> Inventory? (lenses, bodies, film, memory cards, bags, outfits, flahguns 
> etc ...)
> Cataloguing software?
> Exif/ipct collecting from files?
>
> I dunno, I'm open to any idea. I know a couple utilities already exists.
> It is more a question of programming something which I find useful
> rather than trying to revolutionize anything.
>
> A Database is mandatory. Except that I probably can do almost anything
> but I'll stay rather simple (I mean... not gonna do a second PS  ;)
>
> Thanks for your ideas !
>
> -- 
>
> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille
> --
> *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ...
>
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net 

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: aliasing/moire

[Peter Lacus]

Hi Godfrey,

> You might try exposing with about +0.7 to 1.3 EV compensation. These  
> are very dark and dim on my screen, it's almost impossible to see any  
> moire amidst the underexposure noise.

now that's interesting - does anybody else see underexposure noise 
instead of the moire? According to the Photoshop's Eyedropper tool, 
average brightness of the sky is about 70, and of the cab 40 (on a 0-100 
scale) so I suppose it shouldn't be too dark. But my notebook screen is 
not calibrated so anything is possible...

With regards to EV compensation - you are probably right, this was frame 
No.76 shot on autopilot (apart from manual focusing). I've never used 
matrix metering on my Pentax cameras before (because they didn't offer 
any) so the purpose of there shots is also to learn how the camera 
behaves in the various lighting conditions and what results I can expect.

Cheers,

Peter


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Goodbye Rebel

[Bruce Dayton]

A very fine combination, indeed!  Congratulations.  I have shot 2
*istD bodies for the past couple of years.

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, January 23, 2007, 2:58:27 PM, you wrote:

EH> Well I just got my first Pentax DSLR, a used *ist D.  So far I'm  
EH> impressed and when combined with my SMCT 50 1.4, well you know how
EH> that feels.




-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: Enough excitement for one evening

[David Savage]

Kinda' makes the case for getting a nice carbon fibre tripod.

:-)

Dave (apprentice enabler)

On 1/24/07, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought about pictures but the idea of carrying a metal tripod out in the 
> lightning put me off.  I know, I'm a wimp
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Moral dilemma

[Cotty]

On 23/1/07, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>While I'm not sure I'd take pictures of the BODY, I would document  
>"the scene" around my house/apartment if such a thing occurred.   
>Simply because that is what I do with a camera - record events.  And  
>that, while a bummer, is definitely "an event".

Charles, am I given to understand that you keep a supply of body bags in
your apartment ? Sounds like their's a few piling up in there buddy ;-)

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hello! (introduction)

[Perry Pellechia]

On 1/23/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> Gonz wrote:
> >>>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> >Gonz wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Scott Loveless wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> On 1/22/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Re: Hello! (introduction)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Kenneth Waller wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> Mark Roberts wrote
> DagT wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>Fra: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>mike wilson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Gonz"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >I don't differentiate.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Do you integrate?
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>I assimilate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>You, too?  I thought it was just Cotty.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I thought he permutated.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> No, he is a derivative
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>Just as long as he is not multiplying.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>This thread does not add up
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So it should be divided...
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Well I've never been an exponent of that sort of behavior...
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>Yeah, sometimes its hard to differentiate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Which makes it difficult to tell if what you're seeing is real or
> >>imaginary.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Nothing is real. It's all imaginary.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Don't be so obtuse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>Are you trying to be acute?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Thats a bad sine.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >That's it, we've reached bottom, it's time to wave goodbye.
> >
> >
> 
> Lets not get irrational, have some pi.
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>> Don't go off on a tangent, now.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Surely there must be a limit to this infinite series of statements.
> >>
> >Nah. We need to keep going to get to the root.
>
> If this goes on much more I'm gonna shit a log!
>

That's plane rude!

-- 
<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hello! (introduction)

[Cotty]

>> 
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Gonz wrote:
>>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

>Gonz wrote:
>
>
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Scott Loveless wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
On 1/22/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 

  

>- Original Message -
>From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Re: Hello! (introduction)
>
>
>  
>
>   
>
>
>
>>Kenneth Waller wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
Mark Roberts wrote
DagT wrote:


 

  

>>Fra: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>mike wilson wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


 

  

>Fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  
>
>   
>
>
>
>>From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>>From: "Gonz"
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>I don't differentiate.
>
>  
>   
>

Do you integrate?

 
  
>>>
>>>I assimilate.
>>>
>>>  
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>You, too?  I thought it was just Cotty.
>>
>> 
>>  
>
>I thought he permutated.
>  
>   
>

No, he is a derivative

 
  
>>>
>>>Just as long as he is not multiplying.
>>>  
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>This thread does not add up
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
>
>So it should be divided...
>  
>   
>

Well I've never been an exponent of that sort of behavior...

 
  
>>>
>>>Yeah, sometimes its hard to differentiate.
>>>  
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>Which makes it difficult to tell if what you're seeing is real or
>>imaginary.
>>
>> 
>>  
>
>Nothing is real. It's all imaginary.
>
>  
>   
>

Don't be so obtuse.


 
  
>>>
>>>Are you trying to be acute?
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>Thats a bad sine.
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
>
>That's it, we've reached bottom, it's time to wave goodbye.
>
>

Lets not get irrational, have some pi.


  
>>> 
>>> Don't go off on a tangent, now.
>>> 
>> 
>> Surely there must be a limit to this infinite series of statements.
>>
>Nah. We need to keep going to get to the root.

If this goes o

Ou sont les neiges d'antan? (RE: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro

[Bob W]

Les voila!

http://www.web-options.com/Kilimanjaro.jpg

--
 Bob
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Bob W
> Sent: 23 January 2007 22:40
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro
> 
> I know it's disappearing. But I flew over it in Feb/Mar 1998 and
there
> was a fair bit of snow on top.
> 
> --
>  Bob
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > Sent: 23 January 2007 21:53
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro
> > 
> > Bob,
> > 
> > I fear your information is out of date. The snowcap on 
> > Kilimanjaro is  
> > disappearing in the past few decades, and accelerating in the past

> > few years, based on the photo record. Here are three photos taken
at
> 
> > the same time of year in 1970, 2000 and 2005:
> > 
> > http://homepage.mac.com/godders/kilimanjaro.jpg
> > 
> > Within a few years, it will disappear entirely.
> > 
> > G
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 23, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Bob W wrote:
> > 
> > > I flew over Kilimanjaro a few years ago - very nice sight,
plenty
> of
> > > clouds round it but the snowcap was quite plain to see.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > PDML@pdml.net
> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> 
> 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Goodbye Rebel

[Evan Hanson]

Well I just got my first Pentax DSLR, a used *ist D.  So far I'm  
impressed and when combined with my SMCT 50 1.4, well you know how  
that feels.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

1998 was a long time ago with the current rate of change going on, Bob.

Other photos show that the once-considered "permanent" ice pack at  
the peak is very nearly gone in the past four years. There is some  
seasonal variation but the trends all point in one direction.

Deforestation in conjunction with a warming climate are the causes of  
these trends.

G

On Jan 23, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Bob W wrote:

> I know it's disappearing. But I flew over it in Feb/Mar 1998 and there
> was a fair bit of snow on top.
>
>> I fear your information is out of date. The snowcap on
>> Kilimanjaro is
>> disappearing in the past few decades, and accelerating in the past
>> few years, based on the photo record. Here are three photos taken at
>
>> the same time of year in 1970, 2000 and 2005:
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/godders/kilimanjaro.jpg
>>
>> Within a few years, it will disappear entirely.
>>
>>> I flew over Kilimanjaro a few years ago - very nice sight, plenty of
>>> clouds round it but the snowcap was quite plain to see.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro

[K.Takeshita]

On 1/23/07 5:24 PM, "Christian", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Caused by deforestation lower down on the mountain and the surrounding
> plains.  The deforestation causes dry air to circulate to the peak
> instead of moist air which has decreased precipitation over the years.

If this is the cause, which I believe it, it is very sad.  In fact,
deforestation is a more immediate concern than global warming etc.  About 20
years ago, I went to Haiti a few times where they use trees and char them
into charcoal which is their main fuel.  Because of this, everywhere was
exposed soil, climate became harsh and flooding was causing further misery.

Ken


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: Enough excitement for one evening

[Brian Walters]

Hi Peter,

Quoting Peter McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi Brian,
> 
> Experienced the same storm (I'm in Cranebrook).  I'm surprised
> there 
> aren't more fires - there certainly was lots of appropriate
> lightning! 
> 
> Glad to hear all is ok.  We've had enough of fires around this
> place...
> 


Seems like we're neighbours - I'm across the hill in Castlereagh. We should get 
together when the the weather cools down and take some photos.

If the current rain continues I might not need to put out any embers.  Here's 
hoping



Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia

--
Looking For The Right College?
We can help you select the online college that best fits your needs!
http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/MhtYWUjFpzvpTSmEFLTuT94i7XDK9IzNBiGCR/


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro

[Bob W]

there are seasons there - short rain, long rain and dry. Don't know
how it affects Kilimanjaro though. I suppose it depends on temperature
whether the precipitation (Eric Olthwaite!) falls as snow or rain on
the summit, and since the temperatures are rising I guess there will
be less snow melting faster.

--
 Bob
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of K.Takeshita
> Sent: 23 January 2007 22:23
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO: Mount Kilimanjaro
> 
> On 1/23/07 4:53 PM, "Godfrey DiGiorgi", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > the same time of year in 1970, 2000 and 2005:
> > 
> > http://homepage.mac.com/godders/kilimanjaro.jpg
> > 
> > Within a few years, it will disappear entirely.
> 
> Is it season-dependent?  Or is there such a thing as "season" 
> in that part
> of the world?
> If it is disappearing like that, it is phenomenal.
> OTOH, Bob W says he witnessed a snow cap in plain sight only 
> a few years
> ago.
> I am just curious.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> 
> 


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net