Question of English, American and otherwise
Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. Few questions: 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. 2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... Thanks in advance. P.S. Replies off-list will be appreciated as well. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Got the lead out.
Some may remember these old pumps that were just left beside the road
when the service station that they were part of was abandoned. I did
quite a few shots of them on several different occasions. After a
couple of years this particular image, that I didn't bother to convert
from the raw file has grown on me.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--gottheleadout.html
Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
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Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
On 01/02/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. He's simply too sensitive in my humble opinion. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO -- Got the lead out.
Some may remember these old pumps that were just left beside the road when the service station that they were part of was abandoned. I did quite a few shots of them on several different occasions. After a couple of years this particular image, that I didn't bother to convert from the raw file has grown on me. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--gottheleadout.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Where is it? What fascinates me about the shot is the background - it could be England. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: eyepiece rubber
That's what I paid for mine. Bought together with some other fairly expensive part - possibly the battery carrier for a D-BG. The eyecup on my K10D kept getting separated when I put the camera back in my bag. Eventually I lost it completely, so when I bought a replacement I bought a spare as well. Since then, of course, the eyecup has stayed firmly attached to the camera. But if I were to get rid of the spare I'm sure I would immediately lose the one that's currently on the camera ... On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 09:37:05PM -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote: Well, the only way anyone would have a spare is if they bought one for $25+ ... grin -- Bruce Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:23:55 PM, you wrote: LC On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Larry, Just swapped the eyecups on my K10D and K20D - they are the same. So the eyecup FP is the one you want. LC Thanks. LC I'm amazed, that sucker costs $25 and up depending on where it's from. LC Anybody got a spare they're willing to sell for less than that? PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. LC -- LC Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
It's the curse of not being native English speakers. It _can_ be a source of misunderstandings, but in general I believe both brits and americans are more forgiving than your boss would have you think. Especially about business/science/problem-solving/etc. topics. That's my experience anyway. To me, smalltalk is where intonation suddenly conveys strange and unfathomable things.OTOH, that could speak more about the shortness of my social antennae than anything else, I guess. :-) Jostein 2010/2/1 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. Few questions: 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. 2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... Thanks in advance. P.S. Replies off-list will be appreciated as well. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
what rob said just relax, you're probably just fine cheers ecke 2010/2/1 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: On 01/02/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. He's simply too sensitive in my humble opinion. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: eyepiece rubber
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: The little rubber shade that goes on the eyepiece dojobber on my k20 has gotten torn mostly off. Any particular recommendations on where to get a replacement? Um, what's it for? Why is one needed? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Question of English, American and otherwise
Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. Few questions: 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. 2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... It sounds like the sort of comment a native speaker might make if he has no experience of 2nd language learning and little or no experience of talking to people who are not using their own mother tongue. Alternatively, it could be the comment of a non-native speaker with a great deal of experience who is over-applying a lesson. In short, he should cut you some slack. Having said that, he is correct in saying that I suggest that we... could be heard as a recommendation that might limit slightly the other person's options. Perhaps we could... has slighty less force and gives the other person the final choice. But it certainly isn't harsh - it's a subtle point and very few native speakers would give a tinker's damn, frankly, even if they noticed it. If you want to polish your English to that extent, I would suggest (!) that you find an experienced local EFL school, explain to them what you have explained above, and find out if they can provide a suitable course for you. You'd be hard pressed to get this sort of thing out of a book. Your English is probably already at or beyond CEFR C2 level, I should think. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: eyepiece rubber
2010/2/1 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: Anybody got a spare they're willing to sell for less than that? I have an older one still kicking around with an asymmetric eyecup for right eye shooters - you can have it for free if you pay postage cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Question of English, American and otherwise
To me, smalltalk is where intonation suddenly conveys strange and unfathomable things.OTOH, that could speak more about the shortness of my social antennae than anything else, I guess. :-) Jostein It's been the sole topic of conversation here since your last visit... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - More snow
On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Christian wrote: Luckily I didn't have to drive 9 hours through it like the last time. http://tinyurl.com/y9zgnqk http://tinyurl.com/y8u3h3j I recently saw most of an exhibition of the Japanese artist Yayoi Kusama... that first photo reminds me of one of her paintings. Sorry I don't have time to find a pic of it on the web. Cheers. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. Few questions: 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. 2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... Thanks in advance. P.S. Replies off-list will be appreciated as well. I second Bob. Your suggestion is stronger than an exposure of possibilities but only technically or in the specific case that you were completely in charge and were proposing what you wanted to be the solution, in a polite manner. This is compounded by English (and probably moreso American) being in a constant state of flux and what means one thing today may mean something slightly (or radically) different in a decade's time. Whatever [8-)] this is a trivial matter in most instances. In those where it may have some consequence, I believe your grasp of English is more than adequate to understand and deal with that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Got the lead out.
They look very old. I would like to see more!
Toine
On 1 February 2010 09:10, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Some may remember these old pumps that were just left beside the road when
the service station that they were part of was abandoned. I did quite a few
shots of them on several different occasions. After a couple of years this
particular image, that I didn't bother to convert from the raw file has
grown on me.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--gottheleadout.html
Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
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Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
2010/2/1 Bob W p...@web-options.com: To me, smalltalk is where intonation suddenly conveys strange and unfathomable things.OTOH, that could speak more about the shortness of my social antennae than anything else, I guess. :-) Jostein It's been the sole topic of conversation here since your last visit... Bob Uhoh. That bad, eh? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Projection
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:52 -0800, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: A backlit stained glass window projected onto a wall in Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10603019 That's really interesting. I agree with Tim that a bit of cropping at the top might be beneficial. Cheers Brian Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - The September Issue
Am aware fashion photography can skirt the borders of trivial, and many honoured members of this list dismiss it as such. But I highly recommend The September Issue for a highly entertaining 90min of viewing Despite what I've read, Anna Wintour comes across as rather human and astute. She certainly seems to be able to pick the shots (although Grace must have a major role in the subediting). I especially like her daughter Bee, distancing herself from the fray, especially with that brilliant cut to the flamboyant Andre. And well done Patrick Demarchelier for rescuing the issue with the funny studio shot of the big bellied documentary cinematographer (a stereotype, I know). Always liked his work -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Photo Annual 2008-2009 request
Cotty wrote: If the documentary is commissioned then it will all have to be shot again from scratch so perhaps everyone will get a chance to be in it. Timescale-wise, I think its doubtful that it would happen this year, but never say never. It runs 12 minutes and can be found here: http://www.vimeo.com/9087452 password: pdml If I weren't already, that vid would get me excited again about taking photos. Of guys with moustaches. No, I kid. Very entrancing, Cotty D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Elements 2 ??
Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant. Any tips Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Elements 2 ??
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant. Any tips This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might work: http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit the image to 256 colours. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Elements 2 ??
Thanks Brian. I have forwarded that on to Harry. There are *some* at the old work place i don't mind helping out, but only some.:-) Dave On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant. Any tips This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might work: http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit the image to 256 colours. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: eyepiece rubber
On 2010-01-31 23:53, Larry Colen wrote: The little rubber shade that goes on the eyepiece dojobber on my k20 has gotten torn mostly off. Any particular recommendations on where to get a replacement? I just ordered one from Pentax. It was a little expensive, as I recall. Then I went out and bought a bag of those little black rubber bands on the cosmetics and hair care aisle and put that around the mount point after installing the eyepiece. I haven't lost one since. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
On 2010-02-01 3:05, Boris Liberman wrote: I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. It would not be the case to me. I would think it a suggestion, not an order. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... I would think that sort of thing would be more on the line of personal preferences than any widespread (dis)agreement with the I suggest ... phrasing. I don't know too many people that would interpret that as an order, unless spoken by one's boss, a cop, or some other authority figure. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
It is not unreasonable for a customer to purchase electronics items at a 50% discount. I receive numerous advertisements of such on a daily basis from a variety of online electronic retailers. If I found it on BH's website I would take it at face value. To imply the customer knowingly tried to take advantage of BH and then tried to leverage the sale by posting on resellers rating is an insult to the customer. If I made a major purchase error, would the seme leniency be shown with me, unless I met the letter of the return policy? If I remember correctly, the terms of the sale were already something like no refunds, no cancellations. It seems BH wants it both ways. We're not talking about a misplaced decimal point, a $500 item selling for $50 dollars. The price differential was in the realm of believable. BH had a choice when they discovered their own mistake. They could be penny ante about it ($250 maybe less considering their cost) and not honor the contract - or they could fulfill the contract, take a very minor hit, and have made a satisfied customer who would likely continue to purchase from them, not to mention avoiding the negative public relations. It seems to me that resellers ratings was working just like it's supposed to until the negative comment was deleted. As Peter said it does not inspire confidence. The justification offered by Henry and the response to the numerous remarks posted here also strike me as being in poor form. I have previously shopped at BH with no concerns. Now I will think twice about it, or more likely not at all. Tom C On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:51 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I I only have one data point, for when things don't go smoothly. It doesn't inspire confidence. Much ado over nothing. If you think reneging on a contract is nothing, I guess. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: mangling the subject lines
Damn it Bill. Stop that! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:46 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Larry Colen Subject: mangling the subject lines I think that it might be William Robb's mail program that keeps prepending [SPAM] to the subject line of every email. Since I tend to sort this mailbox by subject, it tends to split up a bunch of the threads into two places in the mailbox. Is there some way the responsible spam filter could be tweaked to whitelist mail from PDML? My mail filter already whitelists mail from the PDML, and to the best of my knowledge isn't adding anything to the subject line other than Re: The subject line that is attached to this email is: Re: mangling the subject lines William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
Boris, If I had said exactly what you said, I would feel exactly as you feel. When one specifically states that something is a suggestion, I don't know how it can be interpreted otherwise unless it is almost deliberately misinterpreted. Words are chosen, usually with the intent of accurately expressing the thoughts of the speaker. Now if you gruffly said I SUGGEST YOU THIS THAT..., then speech can be colored by tone of voice. Or, if a debate had preceded your words, then possibly they could have come across with a tone of finality, as opposed to suggesting just one possible option. ... or it could be the listener is/was not prone to listening to suggestions. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. Few questions: 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. 2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... Thanks in advance. P.S. Replies off-list will be appreciated as well. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Not their record on this. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:29 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I understand where BH is coming from. However now I don't know if I can take any contract they make seriously. Right now for example Staples.com has the HP B8550 printer on sale for half price. Before if BH had the same deal I would have had no hesitation to buy the same item from them, now I can't afford to believe them. I don't think BH is dishonest exactly, but if they made a mistake, I don't know what I'd get, maybe I'll get half a printer, (OK that's being silly), but really I don't know how they'd handle it. Maybe they'd send me a different printer selling for the amount I authorized, (which depending on what they sent might amount to half a printer), since they seem to be able to change contracts at whim. Sure the disclaimer is they'll take it back at no cost to me, but what a pain in the ass that would be. I guess I'll still buy from BH iif their price isn't too much lower than the competition. Nonsense. BH's record speaks for itself. Paul On 1/31/2010 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: 'm forwarding this message to allow Henry to be heard. He sent it to me and asked me to pot it on the list. It in no way reflects any opinions of my own. I have none:-). I'm sending it in two parts, as it's too large a file for the list. Paul I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately recognized there was an error. I am sorry too Igor did not find my reply sufficiently apologetic, but the flip side of this coin is the customer in question, knowing there was an error, nevertheless wanted two for the price of one and when we declined to accede to his request attempted to apply leverage to us via his public complaints. What are the ethics of a customer who wants two for one, knowing what he knew in the first place? @P. J. Alling I've never had a problem with BH personally but the attitude does bother me. I do however have a problem with their attitude. Even if they mad a mistake, what they've done is still against NY State law. Respectfully, I believe P. J. Alling is mistaken and our action in this matter are not at all against NY state law. We have a team of in-house lawyers who know pretty much everything we do in matters of this nature and would certainly have stopped us were we violating the law. Tom C The disclaimor ... would probably not hold up under the law. As above -- the disclaimer was written by our in-house lead counsel and will certainly hold up. @Igor On a different subject, - I am rather annoyed by the recent thing that BH (and a few other resellers, including Adorama, Buydig, Amazon, etc.) started doing when they do not show the price on their website until you add the item to the shopping cart. Some of them say that it dictated by the manufacturer not allowing them to display low prices. I am not sure if that's all true, - but that sounds like a bunch of bologna. Does anybody know if there is any substantial reason behind that game? In fact I do. It is not bologna. It's the manufacturer's MAP agreement. MAP = Minimum advertised price. This dictates the lowest price we can advertise and what we may and may not do in print or online when the selling price is below the MAP price. Retailers who've told you, it dictated by the manufacturer not allowing them to display low prices, are telling you the complete truth. @Tom C it is still a matter of false and misleading advertising. I believe you are mistaken. It was an inadvertent error. Saying it was false and misleading implies it was done purposely with intent to mislead or defraud. It was an inadvertent error. @P N Stenquist I've been working with BH for many years and with 47th Street Photo before them, which I believe was owned by the same group. I've only been with BH for 15 years, but as far as I know the owners of BH and the owners, then or now, of 47th St Photo are unrelated. @Boris Liberman BH has a small warehouse under our Manhattan store and our main warehouse is in Brooklyn. We're working on a program to distinguish store stock from Brooklyn warehouse stock for our web site. Any store customer who wants to buy an item that's only in stock in the Brooklyn warehouse should be offered free shipping to any address in the lower-48 states. @Igor Roshchin Did BH offer him to honor the wrong price if he pulls off his review... We did not. That would be unethical and would also violate resellerrating's rules. The review in question was written by Polymistis. He apparently edited it so it's reverted to Pending status. It will reappear when it shifts off pending again. @Tom C It's a
Geso Haiti fund raiser at Pause Awhile Equestrian Centre
Hi all. Here are some photos from the Pause Awhile Equestrian Centre fund raiser for the Red Cross efforts in Haiti . Photo 1850: Emma Woods and Gizzo jumping a fence Photo 1697: Simone Say's winners, it was a tie.(Princess Division) Photo 1711: Egg and Spoon participant (Queen Bee Division) not having a good go of it. Photo 8825; L-R: Krista Pollock, Farm Manager, John Chang, from Red Cross, Janet Cook, riding school manager. John Chang is seen here reading off to the crowd, the total raised for the day, $7814.30. The owners of PAEC matched what was raised and this is reflected in the total. Photo 8814: Erin Brooks sells Natale Woods tickets for a draw. Shane Pearson, an employee at PAEC suggested this event, which was embraced by the management, staff, riders and parents. A large number of prizes were donated for a silent auction and raffles. Some include: Mayfair Pools, Shane Pearson, Belinda Trussel(Olympic Dressage rider) LCBO, Good Life Fitness, and parents. Prizes included; iPods, car care packages, show trunks, various halters and other riding apparel. A pot luck lunch was served at $5.00 a plate. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=953925 Enjoy Dave Brooks -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Not their record on this. On this is key here. It's one case out of perhaps millions. The experience of those who have dealt with BH extensively for decades carries much more weight in my opinion. The BH folks are not soft and cuddly types. They're businessmen who have set specific policies and adhere to them without exception. If you know the rules going in, you can count on being treated in a manner that supports their policies. I much prefer that to imprecise waffling. Paul On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:29 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I understand where BH is coming from. However now I don't know if I can take any contract they make seriously. Right now for example Staples.com has the HP B8550 printer on sale for half price. Before if BH had the same deal I would have had no hesitation to buy the same item from them, now I can't afford to believe them. I don't think BH is dishonest exactly, but if they made a mistake, I don't know what I'd get, maybe I'll get half a printer, (OK that's being silly), but really I don't know how they'd handle it. Maybe they'd send me a different printer selling for the amount I authorized, (which depending on what they sent might amount to half a printer), since they seem to be able to change contracts at whim. Sure the disclaimer is they'll take it back at no cost to me, but what a pain in the ass that would be. I guess I'll still buy from BH iif their price isn't too much lower than the competition. Nonsense. BH's record speaks for itself. Paul On 1/31/2010 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: 'm forwarding this message to allow Henry to be heard. He sent it to me and asked me to pot it on the list. It in no way reflects any opinions of my own. I have none:-). I'm sending it in two parts, as it's too large a file for the list. Paul I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately recognized there was an error. I am sorry too Igor did not find my reply sufficiently apologetic, but the flip side of this coin is the customer in question, knowing there was an error, nevertheless wanted two for the price of one and when we declined to accede to his request attempted to apply leverage to us via his public complaints. What are the ethics of a customer who wants two for one, knowing what he knew in the first place? @P. J. Alling I've never had a problem with BH personally but the attitude does bother me. I do however have a problem with their attitude. Even if they mad a mistake, what they've done is still against NY State law. Respectfully, I believe P. J. Alling is mistaken and our action in this matter are not at all against NY state law. We have a team of in-house lawyers who know pretty much everything we do in matters of this nature and would certainly have stopped us were we violating the law. Tom C The disclaimor ... would probably not hold up under the law. As above -- the disclaimer was written by our in-house lead counsel and will certainly hold up. @Igor On a different subject, - I am rather annoyed by the recent thing that BH (and a few other resellers, including Adorama, Buydig, Amazon, etc.) started doing when they do not show the price on their website until you add the item to the shopping cart. Some of them say that it dictated by the manufacturer not allowing them to display low prices. I am not sure if that's all true, - but that sounds like a bunch of bologna. Does anybody know if there is any substantial reason behind that game? In fact I do. It is not bologna. It's the manufacturer's MAP agreement. MAP = Minimum advertised price. This dictates the lowest price we can advertise and what we may and may not do in print or online when the selling price is below the MAP price. Retailers who've told you, it dictated by the manufacturer not allowing them to display low prices, are telling you the complete truth. @Tom C it is still a matter of false and misleading advertising. I believe you are mistaken. It was an inadvertent error. Saying it was false and misleading implies it was done purposely with intent to mislead or defraud. It was an inadvertent error. @P N Stenquist I've been working with BH for many years and with 47th Street Photo before them, which I believe was owned by the same group. I've only been with BH for 15 years, but as far as I know the owners of BH and the owners, then or now, of 47th St Photo are unrelated. @Boris Liberman BH has a small warehouse under our Manhattan store and our main warehouse is in Brooklyn. We're working on a program to distinguish store stock from Brooklyn warehouse stock for our web site.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
Thanks everyone who replied. The issue is much clearer to me now! -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
P N Stenquist wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Not their record on this. On this is key here. Precisely. It's one case out of perhaps millions. Not perhaps millions, *definitely* millions. Obsessing on this single case in the face of overwhelmingly positive experiences is simply paranoid. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Not to beat a dead horse. I have no argument with how they handle the majority of transactions. There's no doubt they go off smoothly. A product is accurately advertised, the customer understands what they're purchasing, the product is onhand, delivered in a timely manner and in excellent working order. That describes most transactions in general regardless of who the vendor is. I can't say I've had a non-BH online purchase go bad either. The question becomes, who will BH look after when their IS a problem or misunderstanding. Do have they the ability to put themselves in their customers shoes and see things from their point of view, or will they opt to look out for #1 and hide behind written policies? Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Not their record on this. On this is key here. It's one case out of perhaps millions. The experience of those who have dealt with BH extensively for decades carries much more weight in my opinion. The BH folks are not soft and cuddly types. They're businessmen who have set specific policies and adhere to them without exception. If you know the rules going in, you can count on being treated in a manner that supports their policies. I much prefer that to imprecise waffling. Paul On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:29 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I understand where BH is coming from. However now I don't know if I can take any contract they make seriously. Right now for example Staples.com has the HP B8550 printer on sale for half price. Before if BH had the same deal I would have had no hesitation to buy the same item from them, now I can't afford to believe them. I don't think BH is dishonest exactly, but if they made a mistake, I don't know what I'd get, maybe I'll get half a printer, (OK that's being silly), but really I don't know how they'd handle it. Maybe they'd send me a different printer selling for the amount I authorized, (which depending on what they sent might amount to half a printer), since they seem to be able to change contracts at whim. Sure the disclaimer is they'll take it back at no cost to me, but what a pain in the ass that would be. I guess I'll still buy from BH iif their price isn't too much lower than the competition. Nonsense. BH's record speaks for itself. Paul On 1/31/2010 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: 'm forwarding this message to allow Henry to be heard. He sent it to me and asked me to pot it on the list. It in no way reflects any opinions of my own. I have none:-). I'm sending it in two parts, as it's too large a file for the list. Paul I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately recognized there was an error. I am sorry too Igor did not find my reply sufficiently apologetic, but the flip side of this coin is the customer in question, knowing there was an error, nevertheless wanted two for the price of one and when we declined to accede to his request attempted to apply leverage to us via his public complaints. What are the ethics of a customer who wants two for one, knowing what he knew in the first place? @P. J. Alling I've never had a problem with BH personally but the attitude does bother me. I do however have a problem with their attitude. Even if they mad a mistake, what they've done is still against NY State law. Respectfully, I believe P. J. Alling is mistaken and our action in this matter are not at all against NY state law. We have a team of in-house lawyers who know pretty much everything we do in matters of this nature and would certainly have stopped us were we violating the law. Tom C The disclaimor ... would probably not hold up under the law. As above -- the disclaimer was written by our in-house lead counsel and will certainly hold up. @Igor On a different subject, - I am rather annoyed by the recent thing that BH (and a few other resellers, including Adorama, Buydig, Amazon, etc.) started doing when they do not show the price on their website until you add the item to the shopping cart. Some of them say that it dictated by the manufacturer not allowing them to display low prices. I am not sure if that's all true, - but that sounds like a bunch of bologna. Does anybody know if there is any substantial reason behind that game? In fact I do. It is not bologna. It's the manufacturer's MAP agreement. MAP = Minimum advertised price. This dictates the lowest price we can advertise and what we may and may not do in print or online when the selling price is below the MAP price. Retailers who've told you, it dictated by the manufacturer not allowing them to display low prices, are telling you the
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
It's not paranoid. I never expect a transaction to go south. This is an interesting insight into how BH apparently chooses to handle things in the case of a misunderstanding, one that they inadvertently caused. We each have the right to our own opinions, and I'm not alone in the one I hold. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Not their record on this. On this is key here. Precisely. It's one case out of perhaps millions. Not perhaps millions, *definitely* millions. Obsessing on this single case in the face of overwhelmingly positive experiences is simply paranoid. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Elements 2 ??
He could also save it as a png, which also supports transparency, but retains a larger color range. -p On 2/1/2010 6:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant. Any tips This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might work: http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit the image to 256 colours. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2660 - Release Date: 01/31/10 13:35:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: eyepiece rubber
Imagine you wear eye-glasses and don't want to scratch their plastic lenses. Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: The little rubber shade that goes on the eyepiece dojobber on my k20 has gotten torn mostly off. Any particular recommendations on where to get a replacement? Um, what's it for? Why is one needed? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Tom C wrote: It's not paranoid. I never expect a transaction to go south. This is an interesting insight into how BH apparently chooses to handle things in the case of a misunderstanding, one that they inadvertently caused. We each have the right to our own opinions, and I'm not alone in the one I hold. Given the ratio of problematic transactions to trouble-free ones at BH, paranoid is precisely the correct word. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but, as the history of the world demonstrates with countless examples, not being alone in an opinion has never been a particularly good defense of that opinion. Reality is not susceptible to popular vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
English, American version
I suggest versus Perhaps we could proceed One American's analysis. Among general professionals in the central U.S. If Boris Liberman is in upper management speaking to those in middle management, then I suggest would have 10% more of the Imperative. Among peers it would be perceived as an option awaiting the opportunity for other options to be presented. If used by middle management to upper management it might be considered brash or bold. Among Lawyers it would simply be considered as an option. But then we are a rather thick-skinned profession. Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to Diplomatic French. Zut Alors! Galloway. I suggest might have 10% more -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Clearly Mark, both you and Paul are cherry-picking as I've explicitly acknowledged that the majority of most BH transactions go smoothly. We just had a similar topic on the justice system. It works most of the time, but when it doesn't then what? This was never about 'BH - Millions of Good Transactions', it was about 'BH - How Do They Handle Disputes and Errors? (One Case Study)'. Guess what. If the anecdote was that BH came through for the customer and honored the contract, and what great customer service they provided, I'd be singing their praises. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Tom C wrote: It's not paranoid. I never expect a transaction to go south. This is an interesting insight into how BH apparently chooses to handle things in the case of a misunderstanding, one that they inadvertently caused. We each have the right to our own opinions, and I'm not alone in the one I hold. Given the ratio of problematic transactions to trouble-free ones at BH, paranoid is precisely the correct word. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but, as the history of the world demonstrates with countless examples, not being alone in an opinion has never been a particularly good defense of that opinion. Reality is not susceptible to popular vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Tom C wrote: Clearly Mark, both you and Paul are cherry-picking as I've explicitly acknowledged that the majority of most BH transactions go smoothly. We just had a similar topic on the justice system. It works most of the time, but when it doesn't then what? This was never about 'BH - Millions of Good Transactions', it was about 'BH - How Do They Handle Disputes and Errors? (One Case Study)'. Talk about cherry-picking. A sample size of one isn't very useful. I would expect, given their overall volume, the time they've been in business and the devious nature of some customers (I've done some time working retail myself - I could tell you stories), that B*H's problematic transactions number in the tens of thousands. The only ones anyone hears about are the very few like this one that aren't resolved to the satisfaction of the customer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
Boris, I think you have ventured into the tricky landscape of selling your ideas to people. I suspect Tom C. is very right about what 'tone' and manner you used. 'I suggest' is pretty direct language from a vendor to a client. 'You might want to think about doing something like this...' or 'One way to do this could be...' or 'It's just my 2 cents, but it might be easier to...' or the old classic 'Forgive my poor English skills/ Russian directness/ geeky social skills...' My bet is that you are projecting an image of being too DIRECTIVE in your meetings and that you need to be more CONSULTATIVE. (Think of it like an old friend suggesting you might want to do this or that to get along better with your girlfriend) It's not a matter of good technical work, but an issue of sweet talking the client. You are of an age and experience level where these skills will make a big difference. Listen to your boss. Ask for his/her feedback on how each meeting goes. Take this as advice from another technical expert who has stumbled and fallen over these issues many times. :-) Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Boris, If I had said exactly what you said, I would feel exactly as you feel. When one specifically states that something is a suggestion, I don't know how it can be interpreted otherwise unless it is almost deliberately misinterpreted. Words are chosen, usually with the intent of accurately expressing the thoughts of the speaker. Now if you gruffly said I SUGGEST YOU THIS THAT..., then speech can be colored by tone of voice. Or, if a debate had preceded your words, then possibly they could have come across with a tone of finality, as opposed to suggesting just one possible option. ... or it could be the listener is/was not prone to listening to suggestions. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. Few questions: 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. 2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... Thanks in advance. P.S. Replies off-list will be appreciated as well. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
Morris, The diplomacy and diplomatic language references are completely appropriate. That's what this all comes down to. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Morris Galloway morris-gallo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I suggest versus Perhaps we could proceed One American's analysis. Among general professionals in the central U.S. If Boris Liberman is in upper management speaking to those in middle management, then I suggest would have 10% more of the Imperative. Among peers it would be perceived as an option awaiting the opportunity for other options to be presented. If used by middle management to upper management it might be considered brash or bold. Among Lawyers it would simply be considered as an option. But then we are a rather thick-skinned profession. Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to Diplomatic French. Zut Alors! Galloway. I suggest might have 10% more -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
Faster lenses are good and the 77/1.8 limited is still for sale. Either Pentax 85/1.4 is rare to find. And the A*135/1.8 is made of 'unobtanium'. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Got the lead out.
Bob W wrote: Some may remember these old pumps that were just left beside the road when the service station that they were part of was abandoned. I did quite a few shots of them on several different occasions. After a couple of years this particular image, that I didn't bother to convert from the raw file has grown on me. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--gottheleadout.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Where is it? What fascinates me about the shot is the background - it could be England. Bob Where P.J. lives , some still think it is. They don't call it New England for nothin :) I'd like to see this in BW, P.J. - whaddya think? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso Haiti fund raiser at Pause Awhile Equestrian Centre
Dave, What a nice thing to do! I love the Dragon and Princess. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:02 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. Here are some photos from the Pause Awhile Equestrian Centre fund raiser for the Red Cross efforts in Haiti . Photo 1850: Emma Woods and Gizzo jumping a fence Photo 1697: Simone Say's winners, it was a tie.(Princess Division) Photo 1711: Egg and Spoon participant (Queen Bee Division) not having a good go of it. Photo 8825; L-R: Krista Pollock, Farm Manager, John Chang, from Red Cross, Janet Cook, riding school manager. John Chang is seen here reading off to the crowd, the total raised for the day, $7814.30. The owners of PAEC matched what was raised and this is reflected in the total. Photo 8814: Erin Brooks sells Natale Woods tickets for a draw. Shane Pearson, an employee at PAEC suggested this event, which was embraced by the management, staff, riders and parents. A large number of prizes were donated for a silent auction and raffles. Some include: Mayfair Pools, Shane Pearson, Belinda Trussel(Olympic Dressage rider) LCBO, Good Life Fitness, and parents. Prizes included; iPods, car care packages, show trunks, various halters and other riding apparel. A pot luck lunch was served at $5.00 a plate. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=953925 Enjoy Dave Brooks -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
We were not engaged in a statistical study of BH transaction history. We were provided with one, and only one, example of *how BH resolves disputes*. One that they were responsible for. That *one example of dispute resolution* was not promising from the customer point of view. Counter-example: I recently purchased a 30 year old Kenwood stereo amplifier for $40 from a private eBay seller. The listing read something like Excellent condition - Like new, in perfect working order, No returns after 5 days. Well it took me almost two weeks to get around to opening the box. When I hooked it up, it clearly had a noisy volume control pot, with scratchiness on the left channel. I then noticed that the case had been opened because one screw had not been fully screwed back in. I contacted the seller, explaining that I had just gotten around to inspecting the item, that I was disappointed on the two counts above, and that I don't just leave negative feedback without first seeing if there'a a chance of a resolution. He responded immediately, explaining that he opens items and inspects them to clean out any dust, bugs, etc., that accumulate over the years, and must have not fully reinserted the screw, and that he had not experienced the noise issue. He said the 5-day return policy was for customers who simply change their minds. He offered me a $5 credit for the purchase of a can of contact cleaner which I accepted. Paul's statement regarding BH is that They're businessmen who have set specific policies and adhere to them without exception. I suppose that if I had been dealing with BH on the above item, they would have told me 'Sorry, no returns after 5 days. And BTW, it doesn't matter how we described the item now. That's our policy'. That $5 credit represented a FAR LARGER hit to that private eBay seller, than a $250 piece of merchandise does to a vendor with a transaction volume in the millions. What it tells me about BH is that they likely do not view the customer, as a person. They view customers as profit centers and they're more interested in every $ coming in, than they are in making a happy customer in just this one case. In other words, so what if we described the item inaccurately, took your order, and then cancelled it. We're not going to be out the $250 and furthermore we're so big that whether you purchase from us ever again is of little consequence. I find that attitude rather disturbing and it does not make me want to send my money in that direction. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Tom C wrote: Clearly Mark, both you and Paul are cherry-picking as I've explicitly acknowledged that the majority of most BH transactions go smoothly. We just had a similar topic on the justice system. It works most of the time, but when it doesn't then what? This was never about 'BH - Millions of Good Transactions', it was about 'BH - How Do They Handle Disputes and Errors? (One Case Study)'. Talk about cherry-picking. A sample size of one isn't very useful. I would expect, given their overall volume, the time they've been in business and the devious nature of some customers (I've done some time working retail myself - I could tell you stories), that B*H's problematic transactions number in the tens of thousands. The only ones anyone hears about are the very few like this one that aren't resolved to the satisfaction of the customer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
What are you suggesting Bob? :-) On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Boris, I think you have ventured into the tricky landscape of selling your ideas to people. I suspect Tom C. is very right about what 'tone' and manner you used. 'I suggest' is pretty direct language from a vendor to a client. 'You might want to think about doing something like this...' or 'One way to do this could be...' or 'It's just my 2 cents, but it might be easier to...' or the old classic 'Forgive my poor English skills/ Russian directness/ geeky social skills...' My bet is that you are projecting an image of being too DIRECTIVE in your meetings and that you need to be more CONSULTATIVE. (Think of it like an old friend suggesting you might want to do this or that to get along better with your girlfriend) It's not a matter of good technical work, but an issue of sweet talking the client. You are of an age and experience level where these skills will make a big difference. Listen to your boss. Ask for his/her feedback on how each meeting goes. Take this as advice from another technical expert who has stumbled and fallen over these issues many times. :-) Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Boris, If I had said exactly what you said, I would feel exactly as you feel. When one specifically states that something is a suggestion, I don't know how it can be interpreted otherwise unless it is almost deliberately misinterpreted. Words are chosen, usually with the intent of accurately expressing the thoughts of the speaker. Now if you gruffly said I SUGGEST YOU THIS THAT..., then speech can be colored by tone of voice. Or, if a debate had preceded your words, then possibly they could have come across with a tone of finality, as opposed to suggesting just one possible option. ... or it could be the listener is/was not prone to listening to suggestions. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example. I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have been interpreted properly. Few questions: 1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland not far from Washington, DC, if that matters. 2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something and be understood very differently than originally intended... Thanks in advance. P.S. Replies off-list will be appreciated as well. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately recognized there was an error. This past Saturday at a local store, I purchased a $95 Calphalon skillet for $36, and an $80 set of Schott-Zwiesel stemware for $11. Thanks to Henry, I now appreciate that I should have realized the prices were an error, and walked away. Should I take them back to the store now, or wait for the authorities to come for me? (The higher prices I quote above were same-day prices from reputable online merchants that I shop at regularly.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
Moin, One of my English teachers in school warned us about the usage of the word Sir, because as non-native speakers we could hit the wrong tone w/o even knowing it. And now I just have to bring in the future EU energy commissioner Günther Öttinger and his attempt to speak English in public: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAohH3I01l0 Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
If it's wrong to be politically incorrect, why is politics so screwed up? Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Morris, The diplomacy and diplomatic language references are completely appropriate. That's what this all comes down to. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Morris Galloway morris-gallo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I suggest versus Perhaps we could proceed One American's analysis. Among general professionals in the central U.S. If Boris Liberman is in upper management speaking to those in middle management, then I suggest would have 10% more of the Imperative. Among peers it would be perceived as an option awaiting the opportunity for other options to be presented. If used by middle management to upper management it might be considered brash or bold. Among Lawyers it would simply be considered as an option. But then we are a rather thick-skinned profession. Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to Diplomatic French. Zut Alors! Galloway. I suggest might have 10% more -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Go buy all the stock you can afford and then sell them on eBbay as gray market items without the usual mfr. warranty. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately recognized there was an error. This past Saturday at a local store, I purchased a $95 Calphalon skillet for $36, and an $80 set of Schott-Zwiesel stemware for $11. Thanks to Henry, I now appreciate that I should have realized the prices were an error, and walked away. Should I take them back to the store now, or wait for the authorities to come for me? (The higher prices I quote above were same-day prices from reputable online merchants that I shop at regularly.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Some studies have been done showing that statistically, pricing errors are preponderantly in favor of the seller not the purchaser. I remember that any time an error occurs in my favor, because I usually don't pay attention. I had this happen 3 times that I know of in the last 5 years, once just two weeks ago, where when my debit card is swiped, either the previous or next customer's transaction comes through on my card in addition to my own, or as in the last case, the transaction comes through and posts twice ($91.38). Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately recognized there was an error. This past Saturday at a local store, I purchased a $95 Calphalon skillet for $36, and an $80 set of Schott-Zwiesel stemware for $11. Thanks to Henry, I now appreciate that I should have realized the prices were an error, and walked away. Should I take them back to the store now, or wait for the authorities to come for me? (The higher prices I quote above were same-day prices from reputable online merchants that I shop at regularly.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
- Original Message - From: Morris Galloway Subject: English, American version Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to (Diplomatic) French. Zut Alors! The difference is that one can still get one's point across in English if one chooses succinct language. This has never been the case with French. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
- Original Message - From: P N Stenquist Subject: Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Not their record on this. On this is key here. It's one case out of perhaps millions. The experience of those who have dealt with BH extensively for decades carries much more weight in my opinion. The BH folks are not soft and cuddly types. They're businessmen who have set specific policies and adhere to them without exception. If you know the rules going in, you can count on being treated in a manner that supports their policies. I much prefer that to imprecise waffling. Now though, the rules going in are that they can arbitrarily change a contractual agreement between them and a customer at their whim if they choose to do so. Once you've accepted my money, we have an agreement, You've made an offer, I've accepted said offer and you've accepted my acceptance. Except now, BH makes an offer, I can accept the offer, they can accept my acceptance and then decide it isn't a good deal for them and tell me to go pound sand. In Canada we call this an illegal trading practice. Tell me Paul, if you walked into a store and took a quart of milk up to the cash register, would you be so accepting if the cashier told you that the price on the shelf was wrong and that quart of milk was going to cost you double of what you were expecting? This is exactly what Posner and his band merry men have done. They should be living in Sherwood Forest, not NYC. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
- Original Message - From: Matthew Hunt Subject: Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I This past Saturday at a local store, I purchased a $95 Calphalon skillet for $36, and an $80 set of Schott-Zwiesel stemware for $11. Thanks to Henry, I now appreciate that I should have realized the prices were an error, and walked away. Should I take them back to the store now, or wait for the authorities to come for me? (The higher prices I quote above were same-day prices from reputable online merchants that I shop at regularly.) Therein lies the problem. Now, it is no longer possible to truly trust BH's pricing. They have made the mistake of creating a bad precedent, and whether the pom-pom girls care to admit it, they now have a history of screwing a customer, and a history of not being trustworthy. I don't know if this is the first time they've opened that door or not, but these doors, once opened, tend to swing open again. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
Language spins to suit a point of view. (usually with the help of the media.) Jack --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: English, American version To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 8:14 AM If it's wrong to be politically incorrect, why is politics so screwed up? Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Morris, The diplomacy and diplomatic language references are completely appropriate. That's what this all comes down to. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Morris Galloway morris-gallo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I suggest versus Perhaps we could proceed One American's analysis. Among general professionals in the central U.S. If Boris Liberman is in upper management speaking to those in middle management, then I suggest would have 10% more of the Imperative. Among peers it would be perceived as an option awaiting the opportunity for other options to be presented. If used by middle management to upper management it might be considered brash or bold. Among Lawyers it would simply be considered as an option. But then we are a rather thick-skinned profession. Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to Diplomatic French. Zut Alors! Galloway. I suggest might have 10% more -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Tom C wrote: We were not engaged in a statistical study of BH transaction history. Which is why our conclusions have little validity. That's the point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Matthew Hunt wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately recognized there was an error. This past Saturday at a local store, I purchased a $95 Calphalon skillet for $36, and an $80 set of Schott-Zwiesel stemware for $11. Thanks to Henry, I now appreciate that I should have realized the prices were an error, and walked away. Should I take them back to the store now, or wait for the authorities to come for me? Of course not. There is no obligation for you to walk away. What a lot of fuss over something that didn't cost the customer a penny. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Our (or my) conclusion in this one instance has merit, and that's how the thread started... this one instance. 99% of all business transactions go well. But if you personally were in the 1% who had a bad experience somewhere, would you likely shop there again because you knew the odds were in your favor? I wouldn't. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Tom C wrote: We were not engaged in a statistical study of BH transaction history. Which is why our conclusions have little validity. That's the point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
Succinct takes all the fun out of the language performance and disallows the speaker to clarify their meaning in a tutorial manner. I'm impatient with wordiness, so had best end this. ;) Jack --- On Mon, 2/1/10, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: English, American version To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 8:30 AM - Original Message - From: Morris Galloway Subject: English, American version Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to (Diplomatic) French. Zut Alors! The difference is that one can still get one's point across in English if one chooses succinct language. This has never been the case with French. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Tom C wrote: Our (or my) conclusion in this one instance has merit, and that's how the thread started... this one instance. 99% of all business transactions go well. But if you personally were in the 1% who had a bad experience somewhere, would you likely shop there again because you knew the odds were in your favor? I wouldn't. Of course I wouldn't do business there if *I* were mistreated; but that's a matter of principal, completely unrelated to the chances of it happening again. But refusing to do business there based on a sample-size of one other customer, about whom I know nothing, is irrational. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: But refusing to do business there based on a sample-size of one other customer, about whom I know nothing, is irrational. One guy complaining on the Internet is one thing. A high-level representative of the company insulting my intelligence by claiming that 50%-off sales do not exist is another. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso mushroom and petal
This one feels too busy - I just don't really pick out a subject. The shallow DOF forces my eyes to certain items, but none really stands out as a subject. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:59:00 PM, you wrote: LC Zab was just commenting, out of the blue, on how much she liked this LC one, so I figured I'd pass it along. LC http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4314314466/in/set-72157623183440021/ LC -- LC Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
On 2010-02-01 08:10 , Morris Galloway wrote: I suggest versus Perhaps we could proceed One American's analysis. Among general professionals in the central U.S. If Boris Liberman is in upper management speaking to those in middle management, then I suggest would have 10% more of the Imperative. Among peers it would be perceived as an option awaiting the opportunity for other options to be presented. If used by middle management to upper management it might be considered brash or bold. good points, and in addition to regional and status variations, i think your words' reception will vary within different corporate cultures and when written versus spoken in person versus telephoned ... in my own small, informal workplace, and as a consultant, i use i suggest to signal: please take my idea seriously, but i won't be disappointed if another idea is selected; i use less direct language like perhaps it would when being more polite (generally with people i know less well), or to signal tentativeness; but such polite forms can also indicate frustration -- meanings can shift within the context of tone and rapport, which i'd expect to be even more important when people know English is not someone's first language i tend to look at etymology when pondering such questions -- i see that the Latin roots of 'suggest' mean bring from below; in my eyes, this makes 'suggest' a good, humble term -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
- Original Message - From: Matthew Hunt Subject: Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I A high-level representative of the company insulting my intelligence by claiming that 50%-off sales do not exist is another. Posner's just the waterboy for them. I suspect if he was high ranking, he wouldn't be bothering with the little people who pay his wages. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Matthew Hunt wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: But refusing to do business there based on a sample-size of one other customer, about whom I know nothing, is irrational. One guy complaining on the Internet is one thing. A high-level representative of the company insulting my intelligence by claiming that 50%-off sales do not exist is another. I believe he was asserting that 50% off sales for that product don't exist. I haven't researched the matter for the product in question but I can think of other products for which 50% off sales are unheard of. I've made (or attempted to make) online purchases for which the price looked too good to be true. Haven't sneaked one by yet ;-) but as long as I'm paying by credit card I'm not worried about being ripped off. Once, when I was young and foolish, I made a purchase from Cambridge Camera (OK, since we're talking about Cambridge Camera, perhaps young and foolish should be replaced with young and dumb as a bag of hair...) and they really tried to rip me off. But, mainly because I documented the transaction well and paid by credit card, they failed to do so. In fact, I quite got the better of them. For details, meet me around the campfire at GFM some time :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
If I see the way customer A is treated, whether I am customer B or customer ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP... they displayed a certain attitude towards their customer, even though the circumstances were not the norm with the innacurate product description. If I'm walking down the street and see a barking dog bite the pedestrian in front of me, I wouldn't just walk by the dog, knowing that he doesn't bite 99% of the people passing by... I know the analogy is imperfect, but you likely get the point. If a friend tells me of a bad experience at a certain car dealer or garage, it makes me less likely to go there myself, even though the business has thousands of satisfied customers and has been in business for years. That's why BH should care and do what's right by the customer. Just this one thing, a $250 item can end up costing them $1000's or tens of $1000's of dollars worth of sales with the notoriety. How smart is that? Instead the item get's removed from resellers ratings... what does that imply... Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Tom C wrote: Our (or my) conclusion in this one instance has merit, and that's how the thread started... this one instance. 99% of all business transactions go well. But if you personally were in the 1% who had a bad experience somewhere, would you likely shop there again because you knew the odds were in your favor? I wouldn't. Of course I wouldn't do business there if *I* were mistreated; but that's a matter of principal, completely unrelated to the chances of it happening again. But refusing to do business there based on a sample-size of one other customer, about whom I know nothing, is irrational. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
As a consultant I tend to present options and then suggest the one I personally feel is best. I make it a rule never to say things more than twice, because the client is 'always right'. If I have an idea I express it once. If I feel strongly about, I express it a second time. A third time invariably will make me look like the kind of person I am. An overbearing opinionated pedantic prima donna (so I don't do that). After that if the client has me do things the wrong way, I'm a hero for getting the job done on time, the first time. When they realize there's a problem and I then suggest the fix, I'm a hero for getting the job done right, the second time. I was a hero twice and got paid twice. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:28 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-02-01 08:10 , Morris Galloway wrote: I suggest versus Perhaps we could proceed One American's analysis. Among general professionals in the central U.S. If Boris Liberman is in upper management speaking to those in middle management, then I suggest would have 10% more of the Imperative. Among peers it would be perceived as an option awaiting the opportunity for other options to be presented. If used by middle management to upper management it might be considered brash or bold. good points, and in addition to regional and status variations, i think your words' reception will vary within different corporate cultures and when written versus spoken in person versus telephoned ... in my own small, informal workplace, and as a consultant, i use i suggest to signal: please take my idea seriously, but i won't be disappointed if another idea is selected; i use less direct language like perhaps it would when being more polite (generally with people i know less well), or to signal tentativeness; but such polite forms can also indicate frustration -- meanings can shift within the context of tone and rapport, which i'd expect to be even more important when people know English is not someone's first language i tend to look at etymology when pondering such questions -- i see that the Latin roots of 'suggest' mean bring from below; in my eyes, this makes 'suggest' a good, humble term -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
On 2/1/2010 12:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Matthew Hunt wrote:
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, P N Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who thought
he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on our site.
Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have immediately
recognized there was an error.
This past Saturday at a local store, I purchased a $95 Calphalon
skillet for $36, and an $80 set of Schott-Zwiesel stemware for $11.
Thanks to Henry, I now appreciate that I should have realized the
prices were an error, and walked away. Should I take them back to the
store now, or wait for the authorities to come for me?
Of course not. There is no obligation for you to walk away.
What a lot of fuss over something that didn't cost the customer a
penny.
It didn't cost the customer a penny, if you assume that the customer's
time is worth nothing.
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Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
A few years ago I had a gripe about BH, a minor thing really, a screw-up in their computer system. When I complained, Mr. Posner sent me a couple of emails that I found insulting. He blamed me for their computer problem. So I just got even: For the next two or three years I bought lenses from Adorama that otherwise I would probably have bought from BH. It gave me some satisfaction, but I'm sure meant little or nothing to BH. Once I discovered how squirrely Adorama can be, I went back to buying from BH. No retailer is perfect. Both of these are honest, and I am comfortable buying from either. I am, though, uncomfortable with the modes of communication that are acceptable in New York City: brusque, rapid-fire. I think this is why I was bothered by Mr. Posner's emails. Back in the days when I would order by phone, I was much more comfortable ordering from Camera World of Oregon (now out of business), even though their prices were a bit higher. Now that I can do nearly every transaction on the internet, and don't have to talk to New York salesmen on the phone, I deal mainly with BH and Adorama. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Elements 2 ??
PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well. I wouldn't
recommend it but it's available.
On 2/1/2010 7:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying
to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.
Any tips
This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
work:
http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background
The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
the image to 256 colours.
Cheers
Brian
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Western Sydney Australia
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Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
and Cotty is responsible for making an 85mm A* f1.4 into an M...
On 2/1/2010 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Faster lenses are good and the 77/1.8 limited is still for sale.
Either Pentax 85/1.4 is rare to find.
And the A*135/1.8 is made of 'unobtanium'.
Regards, Bob S.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harrissandyinch...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/1/10, Bruce Daytonbkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring
for a K-x.
Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and
the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long
enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8?
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Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
Antennae? I always thought you were and earthly alien.
On 2/1/2010 3:46 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
It's the curse of not being native English speakers. It _can_ be a
source of misunderstandings, but in general I believe both brits and
americans are more forgiving than your boss would have you think.
Especially about business/science/problem-solving/etc. topics. That's
my experience anyway.
To me, smalltalk is where intonation suddenly conveys strange and
unfathomable things.OTOH, that could speak more about the shortness of
my social antennae than anything else, I guess. :-)
Jostein
2010/2/1 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:
Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke
rather harsh language. Here is an example.
I would say something like I suggest that we do so and so and
according to my boss I suggest was interpreted specifically as an
order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among
several possible courses of action. My boss indicated that wording it
something like Perhaps we could proceed like so or so would have
been interpreted properly.
Few questions:
1. Is indeed this is the case? To the point, my trip was to Maryland
not far from Washington, DC, if that matters.
2. Is there any place where I could read about common phrases so that
I would at least word things in exact way in which I want myself to be
understood. As you realize, it is rather frustrating to say something
and be understood very differently than originally intended...
Thanks in advance.
P.S. Replies off-list will be appreciated as well.
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Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
I wouldn't be too hard on him, he's a bureaucrat, he's probably
unintelligible in German as well...
On 2/1/2010 11:13 AM, Thomas Bohn wrote:
Moin,
One of my English teachers in school warned us about the usage of the
word Sir, because as non-native speakers we could hit the wrong tone
w/o even knowing it.
And now I just have to bring in the future EU energy commissioner
Günther Öttinger and his attempt to speak English in public:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAohH3I01l0
Thomas
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Re: English, American version
Thanks, Morris. This is fascinating analysis. Here is my situation. I came as an engineer (think - Dilbert) along with the project manager (mid-to-high management, also non-native speaker, but probably more experienced in this specific kind of verbal kung-fu) and worked with both my parallels (system operator and IT person of the company we visited) and also lower-mid managers and some higher ranked boss whose true rank I fail to comprehend. My lame excuse was that in fact I was rather occupied all the time with the technical situation and simply said what I meant - that I suggest that in order to solve the problem they have they do this and don't do that. I indicated that they could do otherwise, but that we would advise them to stick to our suggestion as we think it is the optimal course of action at the moment. I specifically indicated that this was a temporary measure for the duration of their more important work. At then of this period (whose duration was given explicitly) they could return to their normal procedures. As to what others suggested - due to my accent, it is rather difficult for me to both keep my speaking clear and understandable and also spice it with intonation and intent. In fact, if AnnSan, Cotty, Bob W, Mike Wilson or Jostein would chime in here - it would be cool - they spoke to me in person. I also spoke on the phone with Rob, Bill Robb and Bob S. Surely next time I will be more deliberate about my wording. At least I would try to use more neutral variations so as to at least remove any possibility of imperativeness when talking to customers. In principle I should lay in front of them a number of options and they should make their choice how to proceed. It is good to be a PDMLer even if one's native language is not English :-). Thanks a whole lot! Boris On 2/1/2010 5:10 PM, Morris Galloway wrote: I suggest versus Perhaps we could proceed One American's analysis. Among general professionals in the central U.S. If Boris Liberman is in upper management speaking to those in middle management, then I suggest would have 10% more of the Imperative. Among peers it would be perceived as an option awaiting the opportunity for other options to be presented. If used by middle management to upper management it might be considered brash or bold. Among Lawyers it would simply be considered as an option. But then we are a rather thick-skinned profession. Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to Diplomatic French. Zut Alors! Galloway. I suggest might have 10% more -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
It's possible to be brusque and not treat your customers like idiots.
On 2/1/2010 12:59 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
A few years ago I had a gripe about BH, a minor thing really, a
screw-up in their computer system. When I complained, Mr. Posner sent
me a couple of emails that I found insulting. He blamed me for their
computer problem. So I just got even: For the next two or three years
I bought lenses from Adorama that otherwise I would probably have
bought from BH. It gave me some satisfaction, but I'm sure meant
little or nothing to BH. Once I discovered how squirrely Adorama can
be, I went back to buying from BH. No retailer is perfect. Both of
these are honest, and I am comfortable buying from either.
I am, though, uncomfortable with the modes of communication that are
acceptable in New York City: brusque, rapid-fire. I think this is why
I was bothered by Mr. Posner's emails. Back in the days when I would
order by phone, I was much more comfortable ordering from Camera World
of Oregon (now out of business), even though their prices were a bit
higher. Now that I can do nearly every transaction on the internet,
and don't have to talk to New York salesmen on the phone, I deal
mainly with BH and Adorama.
Joe
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Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
New York City, or not, it's no excuse for treating a customer rudely, brusquely, or without esteem. It would otherwise be called just plain bad manners. It belies a general attitude towards the customer. It's an attitude that lies beneath the surface, unseen and undetected on the thousands and thousands of transactions that transpire without a hitch. It only rears it's ugly head and makes itself visible under the right circumstances. A problem-free transaction, millions of problem-free transactions, in no way guarantees yours will be problem-free IF something occurs out of the norm. Tom C. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com wrote: A few years ago I had a gripe about BH, a minor thing really, a screw-up in their computer system. When I complained, Mr. Posner sent me a couple of emails that I found insulting. He blamed me for their computer problem. So I just got even: For the next two or three years I bought lenses from Adorama that otherwise I would probably have bought from BH. It gave me some satisfaction, but I'm sure meant little or nothing to BH. Once I discovered how squirrely Adorama can be, I went back to buying from BH. No retailer is perfect. Both of these are honest, and I am comfortable buying from either. I am, though, uncomfortable with the modes of communication that are acceptable in New York City: brusque, rapid-fire. I think this is why I was bothered by Mr. Posner's emails. Back in the days when I would order by phone, I was much more comfortable ordering from Camera World of Oregon (now out of business), even though their prices were a bit higher. Now that I can do nearly every transaction on the internet, and don't have to talk to New York salesmen on the phone, I deal mainly with BH and Adorama. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
...bag of hair seems to be inaccurate, ...box of rocks seems more
appropriate.
On 2/1/2010 12:46 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Matthew Hunt wrote:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote:
But refusing to do business there based on a
sample-size of one other customer, about whom I know nothing, is
irrational.
One guy complaining on the Internet is one thing.
A high-level representative of the company insulting my intelligence
by claiming that 50%-off sales do not exist is another.
I believe he was asserting that 50% off sales for that product don't
exist. I haven't researched the matter for the product in question but
I can think of other products for which 50% off sales are unheard of.
I've made (or attempted to make) online purchases for which the price
looked too good to be true. Haven't sneaked one by yet ;-) but as long
as I'm paying by credit card I'm not worried about being ripped off.
Once, when I was young and foolish, I made a purchase from Cambridge
Camera (OK, since we're talking about Cambridge Camera, perhaps young
and foolish should be replaced with young and dumb as a bag of
hair...) and they really tried to rip me off. But, mainly because I
documented the transaction well and paid by credit card, they failed
to do so. In fact, I quite got the better of them. For details, meet
me around the campfire at GFM some time :)
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Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
P.J., you needn't act like H.P., now, come on.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
...bag of hair seems to be inaccurate, ...box of rocks seems more
appropriate.
On 2/1/2010 12:46 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Matthew Hunt wrote:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com
wrote:
But refusing to do business there based on a
sample-size of one other customer, about whom I know nothing, is
irrational.
One guy complaining on the Internet is one thing.
A high-level representative of the company insulting my intelligence
by claiming that 50%-off sales do not exist is another.
I believe he was asserting that 50% off sales for that product don't
exist. I haven't researched the matter for the product in question but
I can think of other products for which 50% off sales are unheard of.
I've made (or attempted to make) online purchases for which the price
looked too good to be true. Haven't sneaked one by yet ;-) but as long
as I'm paying by credit card I'm not worried about being ripped off.
Once, when I was young and foolish, I made a purchase from Cambridge
Camera (OK, since we're talking about Cambridge Camera, perhaps young
and foolish should be replaced with young and dumb as a bag of
hair...) and they really tried to rip me off. But, mainly because I
documented the transaction well and paid by credit card, they failed
to do so. In fact, I quite got the better of them. For details, meet
me around the campfire at GFM some time :)
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Re: peso mushroom and petal
On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: This one feels too busy - I just don't really pick out a subject. The shallow DOF forces my eyes to certain items, but none really stands out as a subject. That's a very good analysis of it, thanks. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:59:00 PM, you wrote: LC Zab was just commenting, out of the blue, on how much she liked this LC one, so I figured I'd pass it along. LC http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4314314466/in/set-72157623183440021/ LC -- LC Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
You're taking away all my fun... :-(
On 2/1/2010 1:38 PM, Tom C wrote:
P.J., you needn't act like H.P., now, come on.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
...bag of hair seems to be inaccurate, ...box of rocks seems more
appropriate.
On 2/1/2010 12:46 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Matthew Hunt wrote:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com
wrote:
But refusing to do business there based on a
sample-size of one other customer, about whom I know nothing, is
irrational.
One guy complaining on the Internet is one thing.
A high-level representative of the company insulting my intelligence
by claiming that 50%-off sales do not exist is another.
I believe he was asserting that 50% off sales for that product don't
exist. I haven't researched the matter for the product in question but
I can think of other products for which 50% off sales are unheard of.
I've made (or attempted to make) online purchases for which the price
looked too good to be true. Haven't sneaked one by yet ;-) but as long
as I'm paying by credit card I'm not worried about being ripped off.
Once, when I was young and foolish, I made a purchase from Cambridge
Camera (OK, since we're talking about Cambridge Camera, perhaps young
and foolish should be replaced with young and dumb as a bag of
hair...) and they really tried to rip me off. But, mainly because I
documented the transaction well and paid by credit card, they failed
to do so. In fact, I quite got the better of them. For details, meet
me around the campfire at GFM some time :)
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Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
Here's a thought experiment: What would you do if you went to the BH web site right now and saw a Pentax K7 listed for $514.00? If I were in the market for a K7 I might try to get it for that price. In fact, if the Sony A850 showed up on BH for $1000 I'd hit the Buy button so fast there'd be skid marks on the mouse pad. But if they caught it before I got the camera I'd just shrug my shoulders and think Damn, they caught that one... I certainly wouldn't throw a wobbler over it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Elements 2 ??
P. J. Alling wrote: PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well. I wouldn't recommend it but it's available. Why not? Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go on dark objects) and you get the full color range. ann On 2/1/2010 7:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant. Any tips This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might work: http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit the image to 256 colours. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Elements 2 ??
ann sanfedele wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well. I wouldn't recommend it but it's available. Why not? Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go on dark objects) and you get the full color range. They aren't completely compatible with versions of Internet Explorer prior to 7. And there are still a huge number of people (predominantly on corporate IT systems) running IE 6. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: English, American version
Thanks, Morris. This is fascinating analysis. Here is my situation. I came as an engineer (think - Dilbert) along with the project manager (mid-to-high management, also non-native speaker, but probably more experienced in this specific kind of verbal kung-fu) and worked with both my parallels (system operator and IT person of the company we visited) and also lower-mid managers and some higher ranked boss whose true rank I fail to comprehend. My lame excuse was that in fact I was rather occupied all the time with the technical situation and simply said what I meant - that I suggest that in order to solve the problem they have they do this and don't do that. I indicated that they could do otherwise, but that we would advise them to stick to our suggestion as we think it is the optimal course of action at the moment. I specifically indicated that this was a temporary measure for the duration of their more important work. At then of this period (whose duration was given explicitly) they could return to their normal procedures. As to what others suggested - due to my accent, it is rather difficult for me to both keep my speaking clear and understandable and also spice it with intonation and intent. In fact, if AnnSan, Cotty, Bob W, Mike Wilson or Jostein would chime in here - it would be cool - they spoke to me in person. I also spoke on the phone with Rob, Bill Robb and Bob S. Surely next time I will be more deliberate about my wording. At least I would try to use more neutral variations so as to at least remove any possibility of imperativeness when talking to customers. In principle I should lay in front of them a number of options and they should make their choice how to proceed. It is good to be a PDMLer even if one's native language is not English :-). Thanks a whole lot! Boris Boris, If you are there as a technical expert advisor then it is your duty to advise. I suggest is a good way of starting a piece of advice. I have been, and often still am, in the position of giving technical advice. If I think one option is better than the others then I have no hesitation in suggesting it. So I might say You can do W, X, Y or Z. K is distinctly subprime. I suggest you do X until the fires have burnt themselves out, then you'll have a bit of time to do Y If they then decide to do Z instead, or even W, then that is their prerogative. But if it all goes Rs over Ts I have at least done my duty to the best of my ability. It is good to be a PDMLer even if one's native language is not English :-). It would be even better if we all spoke Mongolian. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
KX question
Okay, I have another question concerning the KX. Is the JPG rendering of the KX any better than the K100Super? I never liked the quality of the JPGs straight out of the K100S. -- ~Nick David Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: English, American version
i tend to look at etymology when pondering such questions -- i see that the Latin roots of 'suggest' mean bring from below; in my eyes, this makes 'suggest' a good, humble term Either that or an idea you just pulled out of your ass... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: English, American version
On 2010-02-01 12:53 , Bob W wrote: i tend to look at etymology when pondering such questions -- i see that the Latin roots of 'suggest' mean bring from below; in my eyes, this makes 'suggest' a good, humble term Either that or an idea you just pulled out of your ass... well i guess we have to watch to whom we're speaking when we reference what's below -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Got the lead out.
Perhaps a better title Passed Gas
Walt
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:10 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Some may remember these old pumps that were just left beside the road when
the service station that they were part of was abandoned. I did quite a few
shots of them on several different occasions. After a couple of years this
particular image, that I didn't bother to convert from the raw file has
grown on me.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--gottheleadout.html
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RE: English, American version
Wow! Perhaps English is becoming a language similar to (Diplomatic) French. Zut Alors! The difference is that one can still get one's point across in English if one chooses succinct language. This has never been the case with French. Mes couilles! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Graph of the stages of a photographer
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RE: Question of English, American and otherwise
Moin, One of my English teachers in school warned us about the usage of the word Sir, because as non-native speakers we could hit the wrong tone w/o even knowing it. And now I just have to bring in the future EU energy commissioner Günther Öttinger and his attempt to speak English in public: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAohH3I01l0 At least he's not trying to sing the Welsh national anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIwBvjoLyZc Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Graph of the stages of a photographer
On Feb 1, 2010, at 14:14, Larry Colen wrote: http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/download.php?id=84625 Love it. I don't 100% understand all of the notation, but the general gist of it works for me! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: KX question
My reading of the DPReview K-x review seems that it is better. They have never been too kind on Pentax jpg rendering engines in the past, but seeemed to think it was fine for the K-x. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/ -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, February 1, 2010, 11:56:33 AM, you wrote: NDW Okay, I have another question concerning the KX. NDW Is the JPG rendering of the KX any better than the K100Super? NDW I never liked the quality of the JPGs straight out of the K100S. NDW -- NDW ~Nick David Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I
It's not catching it before you got the camera, it's:
1.) You see the unbelievable price for the K-7 and you hit buy,
2.) You give them your credit card number,
3.) They debit your credit card,
4.) They mail you a link to an online receipt that shows you bought a K-7.
Now comes conjecture since they probably wouldn't send you 1/2 of a K-7.
5.) Your purchase is delivered and you discover they shipped you a K-x
because that's what the amount of money you authorized pays for.
6..) Whey you contact them to complain, they then blame you because you
should have known that a K-7 just wouldn't be sold for such a low price.
That's the equivelent to what BH did.
On 2/1/2010 2:41 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Here's a thought experiment:
What would you do if you went to the BH web site right now and saw a
Pentax K7 listed for $514.00?
If I were in the market for a K7 I might try to get it for that price.
In fact, if the Sony A850 showed up on BH for $1000 I'd hit the Buy
button so fast there'd be skid marks on the mouse pad. But if they
caught it before I got the camera I'd just shrug my shoulders and
think Damn, they caught that one... I certainly wouldn't throw a
wobbler over it.
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Re: Elements 2 ??
PNG has a lot of overhead, and are much larger than the equivalent Gif.
Makes for a slow loading web page if you don't need them.
On 2/1/2010 2:45 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well. I wouldn't
recommend it but it's available.
Why not? Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go
on dark objects) and you get
the full color range.
ann
On 2/1/2010 7:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is
trying
to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.
Any tips
This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
work:
http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background
The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
the image to 256 colours.
Cheers
Brian
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Re: Elements 2 ??
On 2/1/2010 2:53 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
ann sanfedele wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well. I wouldn't
recommend it but it's available.
Why not? Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go on
dark objects) and you get
the full color range.
They aren't completely compatible with versions of Internet Explorer
prior to 7. And there are still a huge number of people (predominantly
on corporate IT systems) running IE 6.
That too, but I didn't think of that, and if you're still running IE 6
you get what you deserve...
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Re: KX question
On 2/1/2010 2:56 PM, Nick David Wright wrote:
Okay, I have another question concerning the KX.
Is the JPG rendering of the KX any better than the K100Super?
I never liked the quality of the JPGs straight out of the K100S.
From the reviews I've read it's supposed to be.
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Re: PESO -- Got the lead out.
I decided to take Ann's advice and try black and white.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/gottheleadoutb%26w.html
Notes: Same technical data, but the rendition looked a little washed
out on my laptop, and not exactly what I intended, so I darkened it a
bit over all and kicked up the contrast just a bit. Then used the
Fotomatic BW Plus Photoshop filter with a Red Filter applied.
On 2/1/2010 11:03 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Some may remember these old pumps that were just left beside the
road when the service station that they were part of was abandoned.
I did quite a few shots of them on several different occasions.
After a couple of years this particular image, that I didn't bother
to convert from the raw file has grown on me.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--gottheleadout.html
Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
Where is it? What fascinates me about the shot is the background - it
could
be England.
Bob
Where P.J. lives , some still think it is. They don't call it New
England for nothin :)
I'd like to see this in BW, P.J. - whaddya think?
ann
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Re: Graph of the stages of a photographer
On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 14:14, Larry Colen wrote: http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/download.php?id=84625 Love it. I don't 100% understand all of the notation, but the general gist of it works for me! I'm not sure what they mean by /p/ or by one exposure per motive, but I do rather like the term gearfaggotry. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Graph of the stages of a photographer
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:14 -0800, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/download.php?id=84625 I think I'm in the 'Dammit, I suck' stage. Assuming the time scale of the graph is based on a 'three score and ten' life span, I may be sucking for some time Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
