Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eactivist]

Yes.

Marnie aka Doe 

In a message  dated 8/8/2013 11:35:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
a...@pobox.com  writes:
> Gettin' older SUX, but it still beats the only available  alternative.

Mostly, but my partner's parent with Alzheimers taught me  that's not
always true.  :-(  


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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[John]

On 8/8/2013 10:05 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2013-08-08 7:27 Eric Weir wrote


I have an an A 50/1.7 and an A 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between
the speed of the 50 and the wider angle of the 28. And John Sessom's
suggestion, I think I'll look to Op-Tech for my solution for carrying
the camera, in part because it will be inexpensive, in part because it
comes reasonably close what I think I need/want.


i would take both; they are small, and having both myself (well, i have
the _FA_ 28) i have to say that while i love the 50, it is simply too
narrow for some shots, especially when traveling (then again, the 50 has
practically no distortion, so you could do hand-held panoramic sets and
stitch them later)

even with both, you may still feel somewhat constrained by lack of a
true wide angle; that is what eventually led me to the DA 15; it took a
while because it's in a different price range even when a bargain; but
the DA 15/4, A 28/2.8 & A 50/1.7 together weigh only 562g!



I went to Iraq in 2004 with a PZ-1p & a brand new *ist-D, 28-200 Tameron
zoom and the two fast ATX-Pro Tokina lenses, 28-70 & 80-200. As soon as
I got to my permanent duty station, the 28-200 went on the PZ-1p and
they both went into my footlocker. There was no where to do film over
there.

The 28-70 was my workhorse. I'd have to look, but I expect more than 2/3
of my images were taken with that lens. I got to where I no problem
changing lenses while bouncing down an unpaved goat path at 60mph in the
back of an open-top HMMWV if I saw something that needed the range of
the 80-200. I just tucked whichever lens I wasn't shooting with down
inside the top of my day-pack with my spare socks, underwear & MREs.

Didn't really feel the lack of a wide angle until I got to Scotland on
my R&R and couldn't quite get Edinburgh Castle in the same frame with
the Scottish Royal Academy & Scottish National Gallery from the vantage
of the roof of Princes Mall. Hadn't yet figured out how to combine
frames for a panorama.

I bought an FAJ 18-35 at Jessops on Shadwick Place & tried again.

I had a Thinkpad R30 & a camera bag from Adorama that Herbert Keplar
from Popular Photography recommended (and might have designed for them).
It looked like the old carry-on bags that SAS Airlines used to give away
in the early 60s. The whole kit fit into the bag & you couldn't tell it
was a camera bag.

The display on my Thinkpad failed while I was in Scotland. I checked
with IBM but they had something like a 3 week waiting list & couldn't
ship it back to me in Iraq. I bought an "inexpensive" 17in flat panel
at Curry's PC World in Glasgow.

When I finally got back to the States, the problem with the Thinkpad's
display turned out to be a $0.15 inverter. With parts & labor the whole
repair was under $20.


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Re: Carrying a Camera on a Long Walk

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-08 13:19 Bipin Gupta wrote

As one gets older camera sling bags, back packs or even the neck strap
become a pain in the neck - literally.


one of my pet peeves is backpacks with useless (or missing) waist straps; a 
good, countoured hip belt (and using it properly) takes the load off your 
shoulders; a piece of 1-inch strapping can't do the job; i like a good backpack 
with a hip-belt for heavy loads


on the other hand, a cross-strap on a messenger bag can take a little bit of 
shoulder load off, and also stabilize the load; such a messenger bag with 
camera insert is what i like for light loads and short trips (most of my 
photography)


for moderate loads, and for some of the convenience of messenger bags, i have 
used lumbar packs since the mid-80s; the Mountainsmith Day & Tour models have 
good suspensions, and these are great packs if not much volume is needed; for 
more volume, and an even better suspension, i use the discontinued Cairn for 
long hikes; i wear lumbar packs with the shoulder strap across my chest, so i 
can unclip the belt and swing it around easily; most of the time the weight is 
completely off my shoulders; there may be a few other good brands, but most 
waist packs do not have a good lumbar suspension like the Mountainsmith models



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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 7/8/13, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>At this point I'm being sorely temped by the Fujifilm X10.  Would feel a
>>little guilty about sticking with Pentax, though.
> 
> Deffo go for the X20 if you can - unless price is crucial.
> 
> Not just saying this as some sort of defence, but the current Fuji
> lineup in terms of quality and obvious devotion to producing gear that
> photographers like to use, reminds me very much of Pentax in the late
> 70s and early 80s...

My main issue with Fuji is that it's less supported on Linux due to
their oddball sensor design (although we did just get a Fuji X-S1 for my
partner, who likes it a lot better than the Panasonic FZ-35).  But our
primary camera right now seems to be the Canon G1X, which has about the
best low-light performance of any zoomable P&S.  Also takes really nice
pictures.

A new G1X is too spendy for what you get (although I probably will just
pay for a new G2X whenever it comes out now that I've had reasonable
experience with the G1X), but we got ours from keh.com for about $500.
Doesn't seem to be available there right now, but bhphoto does.

The X20 doesn't yet have results on dxomark, but it would need to be a
considerable improvement over the X10 for its F2 lens to match the G1X's
F2.8.
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/8/13, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>At this point I'm being sorely temped by the Fujifilm X10.  Would feel a
>little guilty about sticking with Pentax, though.

Deffo go for the X20 if you can - unless price is crucial.

Not just saying this as some sort of defence, but the current Fuji
lineup in terms of quality and obvious devotion to producing gear that
photographers like to use, reminds me very much of Pentax in the late
70s and early 80s...

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:18 PM, steve harley  wrote:

> on 2013-08-09 1:46 Eric Weir wrote
>> Thanks, Steve. Experiment with the 50 yesterday convinced me that I at least 
>> need to take the 28, maybe just the 28.
> 
> 50mm seems to work differently for different people; i don't use it for 
> portraits much, but still the angle of view seems to suit me

Very likely I'll be taking it, too. Very likely I'll find there are situations 
where I prefer it to the 28.

Something I just noticed: the A 28/2.8 is larger that the A 50/1.7. Why?

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 10, 2013, at 6:46 PM, John  wrote:

> Just don't put anything in the pockets you don't want to get beat all to shit.

Oh, I've got that.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[John]

On 8/8/2013 2:48 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:


I don't know if it is considered too nerdy these days, but the thought
of a lightweight photographer's vest with pockets still seems a decent
solution for storing a few primes, a blower/and or lenspen and
assorted necessary items.


Outside of a trout stream, cargo pants may be a more fashionable option.



Just don't put anything in the pockets you don't want to get beat all to 
shit.


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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-09 5:38 Gerrit Visser wrote

Unless it is actually pouring, I wouldn't agonize to much over
WR.


i think dust & grit is a potentially worse enemy; earlier this summer i was 
"hiking" (more like slogging) in the Great Sand Dunes and there were points 
where i was head-to-toe sand-blasted by 20+ mph winds; i only took my camera 
out when there was less sand in the air, but still i had to brush down my 
camera & lens very carefully afterward





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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-09 1:46 Eric Weir wrote

Thanks, Steve. Experiment with the 50 yesterday convinced me that I at least 
need to take the 28, maybe just the 28.


50mm seems to work differently for different people; i don't use it for 
portraits much, but still the angle of view seems to suit me



BWIAI, where do you stitch panoramics? Lightroom?


mostly i've used used Hugin, and in my limited experience it is quite a 
powerful tool, though it takes some work




Photoshop has a built-in stitching feature too; i think there are probably 
several other tools; i have also made panoramas with iPhone 3 & iPhone 4 using 
third party apps (these models don't have the built-in panorama feature)



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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[kwaller]

I wouldn't agonize to much over WR.


Same here. I've shot almost exclusively Pentax/Takumar lenses for over 45 
years and have never had an issue with any of those non-WR lenses. I've shot 
in pouring rain, sleet & snow storms using only what ever shielding I had at 
the time (towel or plastic bag) and the lenses were non the worse for the 
experience. WR is a great advertising point, especially if you don't take 
care of your equipment.


So how many have had a lens issue/failure due to precipitation?

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Gerrit Visser" 

Subject: RE: Carrying a camera on a long walk



I learned in Alaska to never change lenses when travelling. My K100D had
sensor crap for months. I now exclusively use 18-250 on both our cameras 
for

travels. The hassle of cleaning sensors in the evening is not worth it to
me.

On our recent trip to Indonesia etc we had lots of rain. Our lenses are 
not
WR but a bit of caution in downpours meant that we still got photos, but 
no
water inside. Unless it is actually pouring, I wouldn't agonize to much 
over

WR.


Gerrit

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On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, steve harley wrote:

on 2013-08-08 9:33 Aahz Maruch wrote


I did have the 16-50 in my case, but it was drizzling at the start,
and partway through the walk I decided to just make it a one-lens

exercise.

(Sure was glad to have WR lens!)


did you mean DA 16-45? DA* 16-50 is sealed, even though it doesn't
have "WR" in the name


Absolutely!  I used it in a light rain a few days earlier.  But the camera
is *NOT* sealed while you're changing lenses...  (Perhaps I was being a 
bit

overcautious, but I'm not always sure-fingered and this was a rental
camera/lens.)

Side note: that light rain with the 16-50 taught me another reason why
really it's a Good Idea to use a lens hood.  Lens spots in those pics are
fortunately not t visible (and lend a bit of atmosphere to some).
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Stitching panoramas is one of my last real uses for PS CSx.

Godfrey

On Aug 9, 2013, at 12:46 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

> BWIAI, where do you stitch panoramics? Lightroom?

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RE: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Gerrit Visser]

I learned in Alaska to never change lenses when travelling. My K100D had
sensor crap for months. I now exclusively use 18-250 on both our cameras for
travels. The hassle of cleaning sensors in the evening is not worth it to
me.

On our recent trip to Indonesia etc we had lots of rain. Our lenses are not
WR but a bit of caution in downpours meant that we still got photos, but no
water inside. Unless it is actually pouring, I wouldn't agonize to much over
WR.


Gerrit

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On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, steve harley wrote:
> on 2013-08-08 9:33 Aahz Maruch wrote
>>
>>I did have the 16-50 in my case, but it was drizzling at the start, 
>>and partway through the walk I decided to just make it a one-lens
exercise.
>>(Sure was glad to have WR lens!)
> 
> did you mean DA 16-45? DA* 16-50 is sealed, even though it doesn't 
> have "WR" in the name

Absolutely!  I used it in a light rain a few days earlier.  But the camera
is *NOT* sealed while you're changing lenses...  (Perhaps I was being a bit
overcautious, but I'm not always sure-fingered and this was a rental
camera/lens.)

Side note: that light rain with the 16-50 taught me another reason why
really it's a Good Idea to use a lens hood.  Lens spots in those pics are
fortunately not t visible (and lend a bit of atmosphere to some).
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:05 PM, steve harley  wrote:

> i would take both; they are small, and having both myself (well, i have the 
> _FA_ 28) i have to say that while i love the 50, it is simply too narrow for 
> some shots, especially when traveling (then again, the 50 has practically no 
> distortion, so you could do hand-held panoramic sets and stitch them later)

Thanks, Steve. Experiment with the 50 yesterday convinced me that I at least 
need to take the 28, maybe just the 28. I'll see when I get a better sense of 
how well all the stuff for the trip packs up. 

BWIAI, where do you stitch panoramics? Lightroom? 

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Re: Carrying a Camera on a Long Walk

[Zos Xavius]

I must be a masochist. Lately my daily kit has consisted of a k-7, A50
1.7, A35-105, DA16-45, Takumar 70-210 f4, 25mm extension tube, extra
battery and cards and a FA 28-80 that comes in handy when I need a
lens I can beat on and do coverage type shots with AF. Plus a 5lb
laptop + power pack, and external drive, often at least a book or two
and usually my nintendo DS for when I need to kill time. Sometimes I
take a zx-7 film body, but that's pretty light actually. I also often
carry a heavy manfrotto tripod and head that I'm pretty sure is
somewhere between 8-10lbs. I thought about carbon fiber long and hard,
but ultimately came to the conclusion that heavier is ultimately
better. Even with a heavy tripod its easy to get camera movement with
a longer lens on a long exposure. I estimate my shoulder bag and
tripod approach 20lbs sometimes, plus my camera. That's pretty much
every day. Ditching the heavy takumar would be nice, but something
about the cold metal and glass just warms my heart. I'm pretty sure I
could drop it on a concrete sidewalk and the sidewalk would shatter.
Its not the best lens, but it surely has character both physically and
in pictures. I'm probably going to try replacing it with the F 70-210
soon here. AF would be really nice to have with people. I need a
better bag because my shoulder gets killed after a couple of hours,
but I really despise the traditional two shoulder bags for some
reason. I think big messenger bags work pretty well usually. When I
think about how much I'd love to have a 67, I really dread hauling
around such a huge camera and lenses as well as a heavy tripod the
more I think about the realities of it. That and the roughly $1-2 per
shot that it will cost me for the pain.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> I keep it simple, a fairly wide camera strap, a K5 and a Sigma 18-250 and a
> spare battery. Don't need all the other stuff when walking in cities or
> country side. Ocassionally a mono pod or tripod would be nice but not often.
> Camera is by my side or in my hands. Works for 10-15km walks about places
> like Bali, Mumbai, Cochin, Colombo, Lisbon etc.
>
> No vest, no camera bag, no backpack,no blowers, fans, propellers, sat
> phones, etc. Only tool is a lens cloth.
>
> Gerrit
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta
> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:20 PM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Carrying a Camera on a Long Walk
>
> As one gets older camera sling bags, back packs or even the neck strap
> become a pain in the neck - literally.
> I have tried so many brand name stuff - some unnecessarily expensive - ones
> you sling around your neck/shoulders and back - and all have caused varying
> degrees of discomfort and pain.
> So I bought myself a Photo Jacket with large pockets - Dubai $ 27, a Swiss
> Gear Pouch - French Super Market Carrefour $ 23 - that you wear round your
> waist and an ingenious India made Belt Clip - $ 10 - with a mating
> attachment for the Belt Clip - fits the tripod mount on the DSLR securely.
> Note: I have attached a safety loop to the tripod screw lug + a hand grip to
> the strap lugs on the Camera, in the rare chance that the tripod screw comes
> out loose. No neck strap on the camera.
> So far I have found the arrangement comfortable - no more neck or shoulder
> pain.
> Regards.
> Bipin.
>
> Photography is the only tool that will stop time itself.
>
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Aahz Maruch]

On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, steve harley wrote:
> on 2013-08-08 9:33 Aahz Maruch wrote
>>
>>I did have the 16-50 in my case, but it was drizzling at the start, and
>>partway through the walk I decided to just make it a one-lens exercise.
>>(Sure was glad to have WR lens!)
> 
> did you mean DA 16-45? DA* 16-50 is sealed, even though it doesn't
> have "WR" in the name

Absolutely!  I used it in a light rain a few days earlier.  But the
camera is *NOT* sealed while you're changing lenses...  (Perhaps I was
being a bit overcautious, but I'm not always sure-fingered and this was
a rental camera/lens.)

Side note: that light rain with the 16-50 taught me another reason why
really it's a Good Idea to use a lens hood.  Lens spots in those pics are
fortunately not t visible (and lend a bit of atmosphere to some).
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-08 7:27 Eric Weir wrote


I have an an A 50/1.7 and an A 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between the speed 
of the 50 and the wider angle of the 28. And John Sessom's suggestion, I think 
I'll look to Op-Tech for my solution for carrying the camera, in part because 
it will be inexpensive, in part because it comes reasonably close what I think 
I need/want.


i would take both; they are small, and having both myself (well, i have the 
_FA_ 28) i have to say that while i love the 50, it is simply too narrow for 
some shots, especially when traveling (then again, the 50 has practically no 
distortion, so you could do hand-held panoramic sets and stitch them later)


even with both, you may still feel somewhat constrained by lack of a true wide 
angle; that is what eventually led me to the DA 15; it took a while because 
it's in a different price range even when a bargain; but the DA 15/4, A 28/2.8 
& A 50/1.7 together weigh only 562g!






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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-08 9:33 Aahz Maruch wrote

I did have the 16-50 in my case, but it was drizzling at the start, and
partway through the walk I decided to just make it a one-lens exercise.
(Sure was glad to have WR lens!)


did you mean DA 16-45? DA* 16-50 is sealed, even though it doesn't have "WR" in 
the name


that said i have used my 16-45 for a few hours at a time in a steady drizzle, 
keeping it under my jacket when not in use, and putting my left hand above the 
barrel most of the time when in use




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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Paul Stenquist]

Printing is a joy. It's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I wouldn't 
want to let someone else do it for me.

Paul
On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> I'm with ya there.  :-)
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:39 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
>> Gettin' older SUX, but it still beats the only available alternative.
>> 
>> On 8/8/2013 10:32 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> Not soft. Old. Speaking for myself anyway.
>>> 
>>> Godfrey
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
 You guys are getting soft.
 
 Simply think of it as an outdoor gym routine!
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'm with ya there.  :-)

Godfrey


On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:39 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> Gettin' older SUX, but it still beats the only available alternative.
> 
> On 8/8/2013 10:32 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Not soft. Old. Speaking for myself anyway.
>> 
>> Godfrey
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>> 
>>> You guys are getting soft.
>>> 
>>> Simply think of it as an outdoor gym routine!
> 
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RE: Carrying a Camera on a Long Walk

[Gerrit Visser]

I keep it simple, a fairly wide camera strap, a K5 and a Sigma 18-250 and a
spare battery. Don't need all the other stuff when walking in cities or
country side. Ocassionally a mono pod or tripod would be nice but not often.
Camera is by my side or in my hands. Works for 10-15km walks about places
like Bali, Mumbai, Cochin, Colombo, Lisbon etc.

No vest, no camera bag, no backpack,no blowers, fans, propellers, sat
phones, etc. Only tool is a lens cloth.

Gerrit


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Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:20 PM
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Subject: Carrying a Camera on a Long Walk

As one gets older camera sling bags, back packs or even the neck strap
become a pain in the neck - literally.
I have tried so many brand name stuff - some unnecessarily expensive - ones
you sling around your neck/shoulders and back - and all have caused varying
degrees of discomfort and pain.
So I bought myself a Photo Jacket with large pockets - Dubai $ 27, a Swiss
Gear Pouch - French Super Market Carrefour $ 23 - that you wear round your
waist and an ingenious India made Belt Clip - $ 10 - with a mating
attachment for the Belt Clip - fits the tripod mount on the DSLR securely.
Note: I have attached a safety loop to the tripod screw lug + a hand grip to
the strap lugs on the Camera, in the rare chance that the tripod screw comes
out loose. No neck strap on the camera.
So far I have found the arrangement comfortable - no more neck or shoulder
pain.
Regards.
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Ann Sanfedele]

I tried one for a while... It turned out to be a bit dangerous...
YOu can set a camera bag down if your back is aching... , easier to
find things (too many pockets problematical) at first I loved mine
but it wasnt long before I went back to tamron bag with a shoulder strap
and waist band. It worked as a head rest too.

ann

On 8/8/2013 14:42, Darren Addy wrote:

I don't know if it is considered too nerdy these days, but the thought
of a lightweight photographer's vest with pockets still seems a decent
solution for storing a few primes, a blower/and or lenspen and
assorted necessary items.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

I've never had a problem with primes, although I prefer to carry two.
Most of my photos now are with the 31mm limited.
If the framing isn't right, I crop in Lightroom.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:


Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in
lack of distractions. I prefer it to the zooms.


One day of my Alaska cruise, I spent two hours walking around Victoria
with the FA 100mm/2.8 WR macro.  I enjoyed it, but it required a very
different frame of mind -- accepting the shots I could take with it
rather than seeing something and trying to make it work with good
framing.  Overall I definitely prefer zooms.  (And it really only worked
for me because I went out primarily with the intention of hunting
flowers.  I absolutely would have been frustrated with going a whole trip
prime.)

On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, Eric Weir wrote:


Well, when I got up this morning I was of a completely different
frame of mind from last night.


;-)


I've checked out all the more recent suggestions. The Leica, and even
the Sony, are not in my budget. The Nikon's in the ballpark, but I
think the quote from Godfrey above tipped me over into the current
mindset: the *ist DS with a single prime. I have an an A 50/1.7 and an
A 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between the speed of the 50 and the
wider angle of the 28. And John Sessom's suggestion, I think I'll look
to Op-Tech for my solution for carrying the camera, in part because it
will be inexpensive, in part because it comes reasonably close what I
think I need/want.


You could easily do sort-of both; IIRC you have someone to cart your full
baggage around, so bring both lenses and choose one each day (possibly
even just swapping off strictly).
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[John Francis]

On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 03:00:04PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Matthew Hunt wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know if it is considered too nerdy these days, but the thought
> >> of a lightweight photographer's vest with pockets still seems a decent
> >> solution for storing a few primes, a blower/and or lenspen and
> >> assorted necessary items.
> >
> >Outside of a trout stream, cargo pants may be a more fashionable option.
> 
> Inside of a trout stream it's too wet to photograph. 

Not with a K5 ...  (or an Optio w90)


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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 8, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:

> I don't know if it is considered too nerdy these days, but the thought
> of a lightweight photographer's vest with pockets still seems a decent
> solution for storing a few primes, a blower/and or lenspen and
> assorted necessary items.

Thanks, Darren. As I have to be prepared for rain and cooler weather, I think a 
vest would be excess. And between my cargo pants, rain parka, and backpack I 
think I'll have room for everything I need.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Mark Roberts]

Matthew Hunt wrote:

>On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>
>> I don't know if it is considered too nerdy these days, but the thought
>> of a lightweight photographer's vest with pockets still seems a decent
>> solution for storing a few primes, a blower/and or lenspen and
>> assorted necessary items.
>
>Outside of a trout stream, cargo pants may be a more fashionable option.

Inside of a trout stream it's too wet to photograph. 
 
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 8, 2013, at 1:39 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> Gettin' older SUX, but it still beats the only available alternative.

As my ex-mother-in-law---recently deceased at 99---put it: It's a privilege 
denied to many.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Matthew Hunt]

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:

> I don't know if it is considered too nerdy these days, but the thought
> of a lightweight photographer's vest with pockets still seems a decent
> solution for storing a few primes, a blower/and or lenspen and
> assorted necessary items.

Outside of a trout stream, cargo pants may be a more fashionable option.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Darren Addy]

I don't know if it is considered too nerdy these days, but the thought
of a lightweight photographer's vest with pockets still seems a decent
solution for storing a few primes, a blower/and or lenspen and
assorted necessary items.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> I've never had a problem with primes, although I prefer to carry two.
> Most of my photos now are with the 31mm limited.
> If the framing isn't right, I crop in Lightroom.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

 Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in
 lack of distractions. I prefer it to the zooms.
>>
>> One day of my Alaska cruise, I spent two hours walking around Victoria
>> with the FA 100mm/2.8 WR macro.  I enjoyed it, but it required a very
>> different frame of mind -- accepting the shots I could take with it
>> rather than seeing something and trying to make it work with good
>> framing.  Overall I definitely prefer zooms.  (And it really only worked
>> for me because I went out primarily with the intention of hunting
>> flowers.  I absolutely would have been frustrated with going a whole trip
>> prime.)
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, Eric Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, when I got up this morning I was of a completely different
>>> frame of mind from last night.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>>> I've checked out all the more recent suggestions. The Leica, and even
>>> the Sony, are not in my budget. The Nikon's in the ballpark, but I
>>> think the quote from Godfrey above tipped me over into the current
>>> mindset: the *ist DS with a single prime. I have an an A 50/1.7 and an
>>> A 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between the speed of the 50 and the
>>> wider angle of the 28. And John Sessom's suggestion, I think I'll look
>>> to Op-Tech for my solution for carrying the camera, in part because it
>>> will be inexpensive, in part because it comes reasonably close what I
>>> think I need/want.
>>
>> You could easily do sort-of both; IIRC you have someone to cart your full
>> baggage around, so bring both lenses and choose one each day (possibly
>> even just swapping off strictly).
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Aahz Maruch]

On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, John Sessoms wrote:
>
> Gettin' older SUX, but it still beats the only available alternative.

Mostly, but my partner's parent with Alzheimers taught me that's not
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[John Sessoms]

Gettin' older SUX, but it still beats the only available alternative.

On 8/8/2013 10:32 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Not soft. Old. Speaking for myself anyway.

Godfrey


On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Alan C  wrote:


You guys are getting soft.

Simply think of it as an outdoor gym routine!




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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Bob Sullivan]

I've never had a problem with primes, although I prefer to carry two.
Most of my photos now are with the 31mm limited.
If the framing isn't right, I crop in Lightroom.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in
>>> lack of distractions. I prefer it to the zooms.
>
> One day of my Alaska cruise, I spent two hours walking around Victoria
> with the FA 100mm/2.8 WR macro.  I enjoyed it, but it required a very
> different frame of mind -- accepting the shots I could take with it
> rather than seeing something and trying to make it work with good
> framing.  Overall I definitely prefer zooms.  (And it really only worked
> for me because I went out primarily with the intention of hunting
> flowers.  I absolutely would have been frustrated with going a whole trip
> prime.)
>
> On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, Eric Weir wrote:
>>
>> Well, when I got up this morning I was of a completely different
>> frame of mind from last night.
>
> ;-)
>
>> I've checked out all the more recent suggestions. The Leica, and even
>> the Sony, are not in my budget. The Nikon's in the ballpark, but I
>> think the quote from Godfrey above tipped me over into the current
>> mindset: the *ist DS with a single prime. I have an an A 50/1.7 and an
>> A 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between the speed of the 50 and the
>> wider angle of the 28. And John Sessom's suggestion, I think I'll look
>> to Op-Tech for my solution for carrying the camera, in part because it
>> will be inexpensive, in part because it comes reasonably close what I
>> think I need/want.
>
> You could easily do sort-of both; IIRC you have someone to cart your full
> baggage around, so bring both lenses and choose one each day (possibly
> even just swapping off strictly).
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Alan C]

Sorry to hear that, Godfrey. A bit thoughtless of me. I suppose I should be 
thankful that I have had no injury problems & am still able to run 
competitively. It is too easy to be oblivious to other people's challenges.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:51 PM
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Not when you have chronic joint deterioration going on... Believe me, I'd 
love to go on a long walk. Please have the EMT alerted and ready. :-/


Godfrey


On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:


Age is only a number. Perhaps more long walks?


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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:05 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>> 
>> One day of my Alaska cruise, I spent two hours walking around Victoria
>> with the FA 100mm/2.8 WR macro.  I enjoyed it, but it required a very
>> different frame of mind -- accepting the shots I could take with it
>> rather than seeing something and trying to make it work with good
>> framing.  Overall I definitely prefer zooms.  (And it really only worked
>> for me because I went out primarily with the intention of hunting
>> flowers.  I absolutely would have been frustrated with going a whole trip
>> prime.)
>
> A 100mm lens on APS-C is rather an extreme one lens exercise. You have
> to work in a very confined space with that. 21-50 mm is much more
> flexible.

As I said, my intent in going out was to hunt flowers, and that was the
only macro lens I brought on the trip.  In general, I tend to prefer
short-to-medium telephoto; if you subtract the Skagway train photos, the
vast majority of my cruise photos were either the 100mm or the 60-250.
(With P&S cameras, I tend to work the shorter lengths more often because
that's the only way to get wider apertures for both low-light and bokeh.)

The only time I wished for a shorter lens was when I was taking a couple
of street shots.  I wished for a longer lens on that walk much more
frequently.  

I did have the 16-50 in my case, but it was drizzling at the start, and
partway through the walk I decided to just make it a one-lens exercise.
(Sure was glad to have WR lens!)
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> I've got to agree with Paul.  Optech and take the 50.

I might be leaning that way. We'll have to see in the morning.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> Of the two lenses, I'd take the 28. 

I'll keep that in mind, Godfrey.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Buying a compact zoom might be a good idea. One of the better Pentax kit 
> lenses would suffice.

I had an A 35-70 [I think those were the numbers], but the aperture was 4.0. 
With my camera it was only usable in really good light. [At least by this 
photographer.] I traded it and an M 50/1.7 for the A 50/1.7. Maybe there's 
another one out there that would work for me.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Not when you have chronic joint deterioration going on... Believe me, I'd love 
to go on a long walk. Please have the EMT alerted and ready. :-/

Godfrey


On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> Age is only a number. Perhaps more long walks?

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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Age is only a number. Perhaps more long walks?

Alan C

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Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:32 PM
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Not soft. Old. Speaking for myself anyway.

Godfrey


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You guys are getting soft.

Simply think of it as an outdoor gym routine!


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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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Not soft. Old. Speaking for myself anyway. 

Godfrey


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> You guys are getting soft.
> 
> Simply think of it as an outdoor gym routine!

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You guys are getting soft.

Simply think of it as an outdoor gym routine!

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's a good idea too, use what you have and know. Of the two lenses, I'd take 
the 28. 

Godfrey

On Aug 8, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

> 
> Well, when I got up this morning I was of a completely different frame of 
> mind from last night. I've checked out all the more recent suggestions. The 
> Leica, and even the Sony, are not in my budget. The Nikon's in the ballpark, 
> but I think the quote from Godfrey above tipped me over into the current 
> mindset: the *ist DS with a single prime. I have an an A 50/1.7 and an A 
> 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between the speed of the 50 and the wider 
> angle of the 28. And John Sessom's suggestion, I think I'll look to Op-Tech 
> for my solution for carrying the camera, in part because it will be 
> inexpensive, in part because it comes reasonably close what I think I 
> need/want.
> 
> Thanks to everyone. You all helped, even if I did not adopt your suggestion.
> 
> Sincerely,
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> 
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A 100mm lens on APS-C is rather an extreme one lens exercise. You have to work 
in a very confined space with that. 21-50 mm is much more flexible. 

Godfrey


On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:05 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> One day of my Alaska cruise, I spent two hours walking around Victoria
> with the FA 100mm/2.8 WR macro.  I enjoyed it, but it required a very
> different frame of mind -- accepting the shots I could take with it
> rather than seeing something and trying to make it work with good
> framing.  Overall I definitely prefer zooms.  (And it really only worked
> for me because I went out primarily with the intention of hunting
> flowers.  I absolutely would have been frustrated with going a whole trip
> prime.)

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Paul Stenquist]

Buying a compact zoom might be a good idea. One of the better Pentax kit lenses 
would suffice.

On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Eric,
> I've got to agree with Paul.  Optech and take the 50.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>>> A good choice, IMO.
>> 
>> Thanks, Paul. I sense I'm not gonna way up *tomorrow* morning in a 
>> completely different frame of mind.
>> 
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>> each class of things just so far as the nature of the subject admits."
>> 
>> - Aristotle, Nichomachean Ethics
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Aahz Maruch]

> On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in
>> lack of distractions. I prefer it to the zooms. 

One day of my Alaska cruise, I spent two hours walking around Victoria
with the FA 100mm/2.8 WR macro.  I enjoyed it, but it required a very
different frame of mind -- accepting the shots I could take with it
rather than seeing something and trying to make it work with good
framing.  Overall I definitely prefer zooms.  (And it really only worked
for me because I went out primarily with the intention of hunting
flowers.  I absolutely would have been frustrated with going a whole trip
prime.)

On Thu, Aug 08, 2013, Eric Weir wrote:
>
> Well, when I got up this morning I was of a completely different
> frame of mind from last night. 

;-)

> I've checked out all the more recent suggestions. The Leica, and even
> the Sony, are not in my budget. The Nikon's in the ballpark, but I
> think the quote from Godfrey above tipped me over into the current
> mindset: the *ist DS with a single prime. I have an an A 50/1.7 and an
> A 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between the speed of the 50 and the
> wider angle of the 28. And John Sessom's suggestion, I think I'll look
> to Op-Tech for my solution for carrying the camera, in part because it
> will be inexpensive, in part because it comes reasonably close what I
> think I need/want.

You could easily do sort-of both; IIRC you have someone to cart your full
baggage around, so bring both lenses and choose one each day (possibly
even just swapping off strictly).
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Bob Sullivan]

Eric,
I've got to agree with Paul.  Optech and take the 50.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
>> A good choice, IMO.
>
> Thanks, Paul. I sense I'm not gonna way up *tomorrow* morning in a completely 
> different frame of mind.
>
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>
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> A good choice, IMO.

Thanks, Paul. I sense I'm not gonna way up *tomorrow* morning in a completely 
different frame of mind.

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Paul Stenquist]

A good choice, IMO.


On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

> 
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
>> Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in lack of 
>> distractions. I prefer it to the zooms. A few examples from my trip to NY a 
>> couple of weekends back:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157634778877665/
>> 
>> Good luck finding what suits YOU best.
> 
> Well, when I got up this morning I was of a completely different frame of 
> mind from last night. I've checked out all the more recent suggestions. The 
> Leica, and even the Sony, are not in my budget. The Nikon's in the ballpark, 
> but I think the quote from Godfrey above tipped me over into the current 
> mindset: the *ist DS with a single prime. I have an an A 50/1.7 and an A 
> 28/2.8. It will be a trade-off between the speed of the 50 and the wider 
> angle of the 28. And John Sessom's suggestion, I think I'll look to Op-Tech 
> for my solution for carrying the camera, in part because it will be 
> inexpensive, in part because it comes reasonably close what I think I 
> need/want.
> 
> Thanks to everyone. You all helped, even if I did not adopt your suggestion.
> 
> Sincerely,
> --
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> Decatur, GA  USA
> eew...@bellsouth.net
> 
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> 
> - Ray Bradbury
> 
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in lack of 
> distractions. I prefer it to the zooms. A few examples from my trip to NY a 
> couple of weekends back:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157634778877665/
> 
> Good luck finding what suits YOU best.

Well, when I got up this morning I was of a completely different frame of mind 
from last night. I've checked out all the more recent suggestions. The Leica, 
and even the Sony, are not in my budget. The Nikon's in the ballpark, but I 
think the quote from Godfrey above tipped me over into the current mindset: the 
*ist DS with a single prime. I have an an A 50/1.7 and an A 28/2.8. It will be 
a trade-off between the speed of the 50 and the wider angle of the 28. And John 
Sessom's suggestion, I think I'll look to Op-Tech for my solution for carrying 
the camera, in part because it will be inexpensive, in part because it comes 
reasonably close what I think I need/want.

Thanks to everyone. You all helped, even if I did not adopt your suggestion.

Sincerely,
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Aahz Maruch]

On Wed, Aug 07, 2013, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>
> You owe to yourself to at least look at the Nikon Coolpix P7100!

Not really.  I have one, I love it, but it certainly ain't waterproof.
If Eric's getting a new (or used) camera, not much point getting
something that doesn't meet his specs.  The one killer feature of the
P7100 is that it has an excellent zoom range in a small-ish package.  But
if that's not a primary criterion (and especially if you don't care about
having a viewfinder), there are better options.

(I do and did care about both zoom range and viewfinder, and there are
essentially no other options for those in P&S size.)
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Steffen Zahn]

My wife recently bought the NEX 6LB with the 16-50mm lens. That is really 
lightweight and small, the lens contracts by 2cm in the transport position. The 
sensor is APS-C, it has an electronic viewfinder and at least the out-of-camera 
jpegs look excellent. And the LCD can be flipped to shoot from the hip by 
looking down at the LCD.

Steffen Zahn


Am 08.08.2013 um 03:58 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi :

> It's well known that I'm not overly enamored of the Fuji cameras. If you're 
> used to an *ist DS, I find it's a difficult job to get that quality out of 
> any small-sensor camera. 
> 
> My 'easy carry for travel' fixed lens camera is the Leica X2, which is a bit 
> on the expensive side, but there are several other cameras in the class 
> (Nikon A, Fuji X100, Ricoh GR, etc) that are also good choices. There are 
> deals available on the Ricoh GXR and A16 24-85mm zoom camera unit too, a fine 
> shooting pair if you don't mind the automation. 
> 
> Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in lack of 
> distractions. I prefer it to the zooms. A few examples from my trip to NY a 
> couple of weekends back:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157634778877665/
> 
> Good luck finding what suits YOU best. :-)
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Thanks, to all who responded. I checked out all the suggestions. Financial 
>> considerations and my sense of what's gonna work for me in the circumstances 
>> inclined me toward John Sessom's Op-Tech suggestions---actually their 
>> Bino-Cam harness and their stabilizer strap.
>> 
>> However, I've been having second thoughts about taking the *ist DS, lenses, 
>> batteries, charger, etc., etc. I looked back at Stan Halpin's suggestion of 
>> the WG-3 back when I first asked for advice about a camera for this trip, 
>> that led me to look at other waterproof point and shoots, and then just at 
>> point and shoots.
>> 
>> At this point I'm being sorely temped by the Fujifilm X10.  Would feel a 
>> little guilty about sticking with Pentax, though.
>> 
>> Who knows what will happen next.
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It's well known that I'm not overly enamored of the Fuji cameras. If you're 
used to an *ist DS, I find it's a difficult job to get that quality out of any 
small-sensor camera. 

My 'easy carry for travel' fixed lens camera is the Leica X2, which is a bit on 
the expensive side, but there are several other cameras in the class (Nikon A, 
Fuji X100, Ricoh GR, etc) that are also good choices. There are deals available 
on the Ricoh GXR and A16 24-85mm zoom camera unit too, a fine shooting pair if 
you don't mind the automation. 

Picking a single prime lens camera is, I find, a useful exercise in lack of 
distractions. I prefer it to the zooms. A few examples from my trip to NY a 
couple of weekends back:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157634778877665/

Good luck finding what suits YOU best. :-)

Godfrey



On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:

> 
> Thanks, to all who responded. I checked out all the suggestions. Financial 
> considerations and my sense of what's gonna work for me in the circumstances 
> inclined me toward John Sessom's Op-Tech suggestions---actually their 
> Bino-Cam harness and their stabilizer strap.
> 
> However, I've been having second thoughts about taking the *ist DS, lenses, 
> batteries, charger, etc., etc. I looked back at Stan Halpin's suggestion of 
> the WG-3 back when I first asked for advice about a camera for this trip, 
> that led me to look at other waterproof point and shoots, and then just at 
> point and shoots.
> 
> At this point I'm being sorely temped by the Fujifilm X10.  Would feel a 
> little guilty about sticking with Pentax, though.
> 
> Who knows what will happen next. 


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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Kenneth Waller]

You owe to yourself to at least look at the Nikon Coolpix P7100!

-Original Message-
>From: Eric Weir 
>Subject: Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk
>
>
>Thanks, to all who responded. I checked out all the suggestions. Financial 
>considerations and my sense of what's gonna work for me in the circumstances 
>inclined me toward John Sessom's Op-Tech suggestions---actually their Bino-Cam 
>harness and their stabilizer strap.
>
>However, I've been having second thoughts about taking the *ist DS, lenses, 
>batteries, charger, etc., etc. I looked back at Stan Halpin's suggestion of 
>the WG-3 back when I first asked for advice about a camera for this trip, that 
>led me to look at other waterproof point and shoots, and then just at point 
>and shoots.
>
>At this point I'm being sorely temped by the Fujifilm X10.  Would feel a 
>little guilty about sticking with Pentax, though.
>
>Who knows what will happen next. 
>
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>
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>
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:

> a little guilty about sticking with Pentax,

Obviously shoulda been "not sticking with Pentax."

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Eric Weir]

Thanks, to all who responded. I checked out all the suggestions. Financial 
considerations and my sense of what's gonna work for me in the circumstances 
inclined me toward John Sessom's Op-Tech suggestions---actually their Bino-Cam 
harness and their stabilizer strap.

However, I've been having second thoughts about taking the *ist DS, lenses, 
batteries, charger, etc., etc. I looked back at Stan Halpin's suggestion of the 
WG-3 back when I first asked for advice about a camera for this trip, that led 
me to look at other waterproof point and shoots, and then just at point and 
shoots.

At this point I'm being sorely temped by the Fujifilm X10.  Would feel a little 
guilty about sticking with Pentax, though.

Who knows what will happen next. 

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RE: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell
> 
> On 6/8/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Just hire Cotty to be your sherpa and carry it for you.  The video 
> >business is a bit slow and he's got nothing better to do 
> than tag along 
> >carrying your camera gear.
[...]

I think a warthog would be better than Cotty. At least for this purpose -
there may be some things that Cotty does better.
http://www.ccscentre.co.uk/product_ranges/classic/slr_pouches.html

These are still available, I believe, although they're not longer made,
from:
http://www.thedarkroom.co.uk/bags-and-tripods/bags/slr-and-bridge/ccs-wartho
g-standard-blue.html

I bought one 2 or 3 years ago, and had one before for many years.

Attached to a belt, or slung round the waist, I think they would work very
well for hiking.

B



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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 6, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 6/8/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Just hire Cotty to be your sherpa and carry it for you.  The video
>> business is a bit
>> slow and he's got nothing better to do than tag along carrying your
>> camera gear.
>> For a slight extra charge, he'll even carry your beer for you, and for
>> not much more
>> than that, he'll carry it for you in the bottles, rather than his belly.
> 
> Cheek

Yeah, you know you'd rather carry it in your belly. Much more balanced that 
way. ;-)

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6/8/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Just hire Cotty to be your sherpa and carry it for you.  The video
>business is a bit
>slow and he's got nothing better to do than tag along carrying your
>camera gear.
>For a slight extra charge, he'll even carry your beer for you, and for
>not much more
>than that, he'll carry it for you in the bottles, rather than his belly.

Cheek

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Richard Dell]

I love the Lowepro "Lens Exchange Case" mounted on my
old chest/beltpack from the defunct Galen Rowell series of packs.

In an intermittnet drizzle I'll use the AW cover from the Lowepro
 over the shoudler slung camera  by my side without putting it
back in the beltpack.


On 8/6/2013 3:37 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 06/08/2013, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm not sure if this qualifies as "readily accessible" to you or not,
but the Lowepro Flipside series of backpack bags

Lowepro also does what was called, here, the "Street and Field"
system, now apparently renamed the Modular system.

http://store.lowepro.com/modular



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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[John]

Might consider an OP/Tech Reporter/Backpack adapter combined with an 
OP/Tech Stabilizer strap.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYXV4wEDQGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6s22xnpJDw

Add a OP/Tech Pro Strap for when you want to wander around without the 
backpack.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazDeqkBI-s

I think if you look around, you can even find OP/Tech straps with the 
camera company name imprinted.



On 8/6/2013 1:42 PM, Eric Weir wrote:


I'm closing in getting my ducks lined up for my trip to England, Circumstances are 
leading me to think of my *ist DS as my camera for the trip. A concern is carrying it 
on my nine-day walk. I'm inclined toward a harness system that I could wear under my 
pack. Either one that leaves the camera exposed or puts it in a pouch. This one is 
appealing. 

I'd be interested in experience with this system or others, especially if they 
cost less than this one. [Not to say it is unreasonable.]

I'd like to have the camera readily accessible, but not banging agains my 
chest, and with as little weight on my neck as possible. [A four mile hike over 
the weekend with a 35-105mm zoom on my camera made me a bit anxious about how I 
might feel at the end of a 15 to 20 mile day.]

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[mike wilson]

On 06/08/2013, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I'm not sure if this qualifies as "readily accessible" to you or not,
> but the Lowepro Flipside series of backpack bags

Lowepro also does what was called, here, the "Street and Field"
system, now apparently renamed the Modular system.

http://store.lowepro.com/modular

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

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On Aug 6, 2013, at 12:42 , Eric Weir  wrote:

> 
> I'm closing in getting my ducks lined up for my trip to England, 
> Circumstances are leading me to think of my *ist DS as my camera for the 
> trip. A concern is carrying it on my nine-day walk. I'm inclined toward a 
> harness system that I could wear under my pack. Either one that leaves the 
> camera exposed or puts it in a pouch. This one is appealing. 
> 
> 
> I'd be interested in experience with this system or others, especially if 
> they cost less than this one. [Not to say it is unreasonable.]
> 

If you anticipate mostly clear weather, I don't have enough nice things to say 
about this system:

https://peakdesignltd.com/capture/

I used it this weekend with my K5 and 16-50 hanging off of my belt for all day 
Saturday and Sunday, and it was awesome.  No straps, no fuss.

It was originally designed with backpack straps in mind - it would let you just 
hang the DS right on whichever shoulder strap is easiest for you to reach for.

(Look at the graphic on the front page labeled "Outdoors" - that's you!)

> I'd like to have the camera readily accessible, but not banging agains my 
> chest, and with as little weight on my neck as possible. [A four mile hike 
> over the weekend with a 35-105mm zoom on my camera made me a bit anxious 
> about how I might feel at the end of a 15 to 20 mile day.] 
> 

The only possible issue could be if you have "zoom creep" with the 35-105 when 
it's hanging face down.  I found that the 16-50 doesn't do this unless I'm 
running and it's banging against my leg pretty hard.

Here is a close-up of it in use on my belt:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/IMG_2993-2.jpg

And here's me and my brother (he's the one on the left) with them "in action".  
(He shoots Canon, though) Notice I have a DSLR ready for action but it's 
completely not in my way!  Totally hands-free while walking around.

http://john.robinsontwins.org/2013/twins_days/content/IMG_3896_large.html

 -Charles

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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Larry Colen]

I have a fastpack 350, and absolutely love it.


On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 01:11:15PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote:
> I'm not sure if this qualifies as "readily accessible" to you or not,
> but the Lowepro Flipside series of backpack bags are kind of
> ingenious. When wearing it as a pack the zipper side is against your
> back (pickpockets/thieves can't open it). But it has a strap that goes
> around your waist. You can slip your arm out of one side and rotate
> the pack to your front, where the zipper access if face up in front of
> you for easy access (without putting the pack down in the
> mud/dirt/etc). Zip it up, rotate it back around and slip your arms
> back in and it is a comfortable pack again. How easy this is depends a
> lot on how much you load into it (and what size you get). I've got the
> Flipside 300 AW and I can get quite a bit of stuff in it. If you want
> something even smaller they make a 200 AW. Just checked Amazon and the
> smaller 200 AW is actually $8 more than the 300 AW.
> 
> I find it a comfortable backpack and much preferable to having the
> camera around my neck for extended periods, particular if with a big
> lens.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 01:42:35PM -0400, Eric Weir wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm closing in getting my ducks lined up for my trip to England, 
> >> Circumstances are leading me to think of my *ist DS as my camera for the 
> >> trip. A concern is carrying it on my nine-day walk. I'm inclined toward a 
> >> harness system that I could wear under my pack. Either one that leaves the 
> >> camera exposed or puts it in a pouch. This one is appealing. 
> >> 
> >>
> >> I'd be interested in experience with this system or others, especially if 
> >> they cost less than this one. [Not to say it is unreasonable.]
> >>
> >> I'd like to have the camera readily accessible, but not banging agains my 
> >> chest, and with as little weight on my neck as possible. [A four mile hike 
> >> over the weekend with a 35-105mm zoom on my camera made me a bit anxious 
> >> about how I might feel at the end of a 15 to 20 mile day.]
> >
> > Just hire Cotty to be your sherpa and carry it for you.  The video business 
> > is a bit
> > slow and he's got nothing better to do than tag along carrying your camera 
> > gear.
> > For a slight extra charge, he'll even carry your beer for you, and for not 
> > much more
> > than that, he'll carry it for you in the bottles, rather than his belly.
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --
> >> Eric Weir
> >> Decatur, GA  USA
> >> eew...@bellsouth.net
> >>
> >> "The most important thing is the tee-shirt."
> >>
> >> - Samara Alnafdage
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Darren Addy]

I'm not sure if this qualifies as "readily accessible" to you or not,
but the Lowepro Flipside series of backpack bags are kind of
ingenious. When wearing it as a pack the zipper side is against your
back (pickpockets/thieves can't open it). But it has a strap that goes
around your waist. You can slip your arm out of one side and rotate
the pack to your front, where the zipper access if face up in front of
you for easy access (without putting the pack down in the
mud/dirt/etc). Zip it up, rotate it back around and slip your arms
back in and it is a comfortable pack again. How easy this is depends a
lot on how much you load into it (and what size you get). I've got the
Flipside 300 AW and I can get quite a bit of stuff in it. If you want
something even smaller they make a 200 AW. Just checked Amazon and the
smaller 200 AW is actually $8 more than the 300 AW.

I find it a comfortable backpack and much preferable to having the
camera around my neck for extended periods, particular if with a big
lens.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 01:42:35PM -0400, Eric Weir wrote:
>>
>> I'm closing in getting my ducks lined up for my trip to England, 
>> Circumstances are leading me to think of my *ist DS as my camera for the 
>> trip. A concern is carrying it on my nine-day walk. I'm inclined toward a 
>> harness system that I could wear under my pack. Either one that leaves the 
>> camera exposed or puts it in a pouch. This one is appealing. 
>> 
>>
>> I'd be interested in experience with this system or others, especially if 
>> they cost less than this one. [Not to say it is unreasonable.]
>>
>> I'd like to have the camera readily accessible, but not banging agains my 
>> chest, and with as little weight on my neck as possible. [A four mile hike 
>> over the weekend with a 35-105mm zoom on my camera made me a bit anxious 
>> about how I might feel at the end of a 15 to 20 mile day.]
>
> Just hire Cotty to be your sherpa and carry it for you.  The video business 
> is a bit
> slow and he's got nothing better to do than tag along carrying your camera 
> gear.
> For a slight extra charge, he'll even carry your beer for you, and for not 
> much more
> than that, he'll carry it for you in the bottles, rather than his belly.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Eric Weir
>> Decatur, GA  USA
>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>
>> "The most important thing is the tee-shirt."
>>
>> - Samara Alnafdage
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Carrying a camera on a long walk

[Larry Colen]

On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 01:42:35PM -0400, Eric Weir wrote:
> 
> I'm closing in getting my ducks lined up for my trip to England, 
> Circumstances are leading me to think of my *ist DS as my camera for the 
> trip. A concern is carrying it on my nine-day walk. I'm inclined toward a 
> harness system that I could wear under my pack. Either one that leaves the 
> camera exposed or puts it in a pouch. This one is appealing. 
> 
> 
> I'd be interested in experience with this system or others, especially if 
> they cost less than this one. [Not to say it is unreasonable.]
> 
> I'd like to have the camera readily accessible, but not banging agains my 
> chest, and with as little weight on my neck as possible. [A four mile hike 
> over the weekend with a 35-105mm zoom on my camera made me a bit anxious 
> about how I might feel at the end of a 15 to 20 mile day.] 

Just hire Cotty to be your sherpa and carry it for you.  The video business is 
a bit
slow and he's got nothing better to do than tag along carrying your camera gear.
For a slight extra charge, he'll even carry your beer for you, and for not much 
more
than that, he'll carry it for you in the bottles, rather than his belly.

> 
> Thanks,
> --
> Eric Weir
> Decatur, GA  USA
> eew...@bellsouth.net
> 
> "The most important thing is the tee-shirt."
> 
> - Samara Alnafdage
> 
> 
> 
> 
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