Re: P-TTL flash.
I've been shooting with Godox lighting gear for about 5 years now. And petitioning them to give full P-TTL support and HSS to Pentax - and was over the moon when they did. The TT350p is an awesome little flash in itself (it's a lovely size physically) and a perfect cost effective gateway in to a system that will allow you to explore, off camera flash and even studio strobes all on the same transmission system should you ever want to. Godox really do provide high quality gear for comparatively cheap prices. Something to note though their warranty is 'via retailer' you can't go to them direct so it can be worth paying a little more to get from a reputable retailer you know will support you down the road. The adorama stuff is exactly the same as Godox (and communicates file with Godox branded gear should you mix them later) they just re-brand them I think so that they know if a unit really came from them if you need to make a warranty claim, to avoid people trying to scam them. Go for it - sure you won't regret it. Kind Regards John On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 00:08, P. J. Alling wrote: > I keep thinking of upgrading my flash capabilities, especially as my > older flashes keep dying... > > While doing my research I a flash that's flown completely under my radar. > > The Godox TT 350p, also sold by Adorama under the Flashpoint brand. > > It looks really good for the money, for about half of the cost of a > AF201FG you get 75% greater output, (than a AT201FG), a claimed 1 - 2.2 > second recycle time, full manual control, a built in radio controller > for up to three groups of other Godox flashes, full Pentax P-TTL > compatibility, and unlike the other third party flashes, at least > according to the reviews I've read you don't sacrifice reliability, (I'm > looking at your Yongnuo), or recycle times, (everybody else except Metz. > and if you're buying Metz you might as well be buying Pentax as far as > cost is concerned). > > Has anyone else used one of these units, or will I be the first. > > -- > Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind > of idiot to use a Pentax. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/2/2020 19:08:36, P. J. Alling wrote: I keep thinking of upgrading my flash capabilities, especially as my older flashes keep dying... While doing my research I a flash that's flown completely under my radar. The Godox TT 350p, also sold by Adorama under the Flashpoint brand. It looks really good for the money, for about half of the cost of a AF201FG you get 75% greater output, (than a AT201FG), a claimed 1 - 2.2 second recycle time, full manual control, a built in radio controller for up to three groups of other Godox flashes, full Pentax P-TTL compatibility, and unlike the other third party flashes, at least according to the reviews I've read you don't sacrifice reliability, (I'm looking at your Yongnuo), or recycle times, (everybody else except Metz. and if you're buying Metz you might as well be buying Pentax as far as cost is concerned). Has anyone else used one of these units, or will I be the first. I know a number of pro (wedding, portrait & studio) photographers who have switched to Godox and are quite happy with them. But they're all CaNikon shooters. http://www.godox.com/EN/Products_Mini_Camera_Flash_TT350P.html According to the Godox web site it's compatible with 645Z, K-3II, K-1, KP, K-50, K-S2 & K70. I don't know if if it will work with the K-3 or the K-5, and I still use my K-3 ... hell, I still occasionally use the K10D & the K20D. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I keep thinking of upgrading my flash capabilities, especially as my older flashes keep dying... While doing my research I a flash that's flown completely under my radar. The Godox TT 350p, also sold by Adorama under the Flashpoint brand. It looks really good for the money, for about half of the cost of a AF201FG you get 75% greater output, (than a AT201FG), a claimed 1 - 2.2 second recycle time, full manual control, a built in radio controller for up to three groups of other Godox flashes, full Pentax P-TTL compatibility, and unlike the other third party flashes, at least according to the reviews I've read you don't sacrifice reliability, (I'm looking at your Yongnuo), or recycle times, (everybody else except Metz. and if you're buying Metz you might as well be buying Pentax as far as cost is concerned). Has anyone else used one of these units, or will I be the first. -- Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of idiot to use a Pentax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 12, 2010, at 16:27, paul stenquist wrote: It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That is indeed a nice image, and a good use of the flash. Dan On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 16:27, paul stenquist wrote: It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:45, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: That is indeed a nice image, and a good use of the flash. (helps to have a good subject) Dan On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 16:27, paul stenquist wrote: It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Even better, in this case, to have TWO good subjects. G Dan On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:45, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: That is indeed a nice image, and a good use of the flash. (helps to have a good subject) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 13, 2010, at 06:39 , Charles Robinson wrote: Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html You've shown us an example that we photographers dread. If you get one or more pretty gals to OK taking a shot, they are always looking at someone else. sigh Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com I couldn't remember most of what I know today if it weren't for others sharing their knowledge of my past on the Internet. Thank you… -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 13, 2010, at 17:14, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 06:39 , Charles Robinson wrote: Even with the K7? I found that the K7, kit lens, and pop-up flash made a great party camera - lightweight, reliable exposure. Sometimes that direct flash is a real drag in terms of looking like a flash photo but I never had a single one come out too dark or overblown. Example (just because I like the shot): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twinsdays_2010/content/IMGP3796_large.html You've shown us an example that we photographers dread. If you get one or more pretty gals to OK taking a shot, they are always looking at someone else. sigh Heh. They were looking at my brother's camera at the time: http://john.robinsontwins.org/2010/twins_days/content/IMG_7216_large.html I think my photo looks better, despite their attention being elsewhere. Sad thing is, they think they are not attractive. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:14, eckinator wrote: 2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. My trick is to do trailing-curtain flash with the shutter speed at something like 1/15. The pre-flash and the real flash are so far apart at that point that *most* people are done blinking. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:14, eckinator wrote: 2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. My trick is to do trailing-curtain flash with the shutter speed at something like 1/15. The pre-flash and the real flash are so far apart at that point that *most* people are done blinking. -Charles The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. Paul -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:20, P N Stenquist wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:14, eckinator wrote: 2010/8/12 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? You mean eyes-inevitably-shut mode? Even P-TTL gives me lots of closed eyes unless I bounce or diffuse it. My trick is to do trailing-curtain flash with the shutter speed at something like 1/15. The pre-flash and the real flash are so far apart at that point that *most* people are done blinking. -Charles The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. I wasn't talking about the pop-up flash (but I actually used the PUF all weekend at a party so that my K7 would be lightweight and with me, rather than something I kept setting down because of the weight. K7 with kit lens and pop-up still yields better party shots than a PS) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/12 P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. I don't. Never. Never ever. It sits too low. I don't want to have to worry about zooming too far or having forgotten to remove the hood lest there be a partial circle shadow in the lower half of the image... Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, I dunno, Paul. I've used it many times for a bit of fill in backlit situations. With the PZ-1 and 1p, the combination of the pop-up and a bounced flash in the hot shoe did a great job in most rooms. Alas, Pentax moved the hot shoe to the conventional location in subsequent cameras. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 8/12/10, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. Paul -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 12, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Well, I dunno, Paul. I've used it many times for a bit of fill in backlit situations. It casts a shadow with most of my lenses, so I haven't experimented with it much. But the few times I have, I've found it difficult to control in respect to exposure. Paul With the PZ-1 and 1p, the combination of the pop-up and a bounced flash in the hot shoe did a great job in most rooms. Alas, Pentax moved the hot shoe to the conventional location in subsequent cameras. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 8/12/10, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The best trick is to never, ever use the pop up flash for anything. Paul -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One advantage of being good friends with a band is that you get a lot more freedom as a photographer. Especially when they love the photos that you take of them. Last week I was up on stage with them for a while, which allowed me to actually get some clear shots of the drummer. Last night another friend of theirs was practicing taking pictures because she has a front and backstage photo pass to a jazz festival this weekend. She was shooting with a rebel and a kit lens, and was taking pictures using the pop-up flash. I decided to try some flash photography myself and found that the best results seemed to be from using my water jug diffuser with the sides wrapped in aluminum foil so that it was more of a softbox than a photon grenade. Rather than my usual habit of using the flash in manual mode, I was using it in TTL, and I noticed that there was what seemed like a two second shutter lag. Press shutter, short wait, flash, long wait, click/flash. Is this normal? I've never noticed such a long delay between the first and second flashes before. The batteries weren't desperately low, but they weren't completely fresh either. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Is it set to anti-red-eye-flash mode? http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Weird lag with p-ttl flash To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 7:58 PM One advantage of being good friends with a band is that you get a lot more freedom as a photographer. Especially when they love the photos that you take of them. Last week I was up on stage with them for a while, which allowed me to actually get some clear shots of the drummer. Last night another friend of theirs was practicing taking pictures because she has a front and backstage photo pass to a jazz festival this weekend. She was shooting with a rebel and a kit lens, and was taking pictures using the pop-up flash. I decided to try some flash photography myself and found that the best results seemed to be from using my water jug diffuser with the sides wrapped in aluminum foil so that it was more of a softbox than a photon grenade. Rather than my usual habit of using the flash in manual mode, I was using it in TTL, and I noticed that there was what seemed like a two second shutter lag. Press shutter, short wait, flash, long wait, click/flash. Is this normal? I've never noticed such a long delay between the first and second flashes before. The batteries weren't desperately low, but they weren't completely fresh either. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry, what you describe is not how P-TTL works. You would have to try hard to notice the pre-flash of the P-TTL. THe interval between the pre-flash and the flash is just at the border of what a human eye can resolve. What you describe sounds like a red-eye-reduction mode. But even for that, - the first short wait is strange (unless it's due to focusing or due to the battery still charging up for the pop-up flash, if the shot happened too soon after you popped it up). Igor Wed Aug 11 18:58:27 CDT 2010 Larry Colen wrote: Rather than my usual habit of using the flash in manual mode, I was using it in TTL, and I noticed that there was what seemed like a two second shutter lag. Press shutter, short wait, flash, long wait, click/flash. Is this normal? I've never noticed such a long delay between the first and second flashes before. The batteries weren't desperately low, but they weren't completely fresh either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 11, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Larry, what you describe is not how P-TTL works. You would have to try hard to notice the pre-flash of the P-TTL. That has been my experience. THe interval between the pre-flash and the flash is just at the border of what a human eye can resolve. What you describe sounds like a red-eye-reduction mode. That was it. I guess that it had gotten accidentally set in the camera. But even for that, - the first short wait is strange (unless it's due to focusing or due to the battery still charging up for the pop-up flash, if the shot happened too soon after you popped it up). No pop-up, it was with the AF540. Igor Wed Aug 11 18:58:27 CDT 2010 Larry Colen wrote: Rather than my usual habit of using the flash in manual mode, I was using it in TTL, and I noticed that there was what seemed like a two second shutter lag. Press shutter, short wait, flash, long wait, click/flash. Is this normal? I've never noticed such a long delay between the first and second flashes before. The batteries weren't desperately low, but they weren't completely fresh either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/8/2010 2:58 PM, Miserere wrote: I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston guy, so he probably says flah-shes. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) Likewise. When I bought my Metz flash I went out to look for info, found this page and bookmarked it. I agree with you on your photographers classification, though it is very coarse. I, for one, can use flash and use flash although with rather limited experience and very rarely. And yes, I prefer to photograph in available light. Though, I don't do that for money, thus I am almost completely harmless... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Facebook want's me to login to see the page. I guess not.
On 3/13/2010 8:27 PM, Tanya Love wrote:
Bob W said:
And how did you get started in this business? As I recall it was in exactly
the same way.
Good point Bob, and my ego totally needed to be put back in it's place too
(it gets a bit too big for its boots sometimes!). So, I totally agree!
However, take a look at this:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=50625id=1022455271ref=nf#!/album.php
?page=6aid=161316id=547536217
These were shot by a girl I know (in my home town), who is calling herself a
professional and who purchased her FIRST slr camera less than a year ago!
Grr. They are FAR from professional!
I know how to use it AND I hate it. Anyone who thinks the mark of a
professional is knowing how to use artificial light knows nothing about
photography.
I totally agree! The best shots I have done are the most uncontrived,
candid shots without invasive use of flash/strobes. It takes special skill
to be able to read the light and know when natural light will make or
break the shot, and/or when flash is needed.
I hate using flash/strobes too, but I LOVE my ring flash! That thing is my
new best friend and it is the way I have achieved some of my most favourite
shots lately, like this, which I shot yesterday:
http://www.lovebytes.com.au/pics/TaigheBorder.jpg
Anyways, IMO, the true measure of a being a great photographer (whether you
are pro or not!), is knowing how to use strobes/flash, and when NOT to use
it, or when TO use it. I think THAT is the key.
Tan.x.
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On Mar 13, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Tanya Love wrote: Bob W said: However, take a look at this: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=50625id=1022455271ref=nf#!/ album.php ?page=6aid=161316id=547536217 These were shot by a girl I know (in my home town), who is calling herself a professional and who purchased her FIRST slr camera less than a year ago! Grr. They are FAR from professional! The link isn't working. I know how to use it AND I hate it. Anyone who thinks the mark of a professional is knowing how to use artificial light knows nothing about photography. I totally agree! The best shots I have done are the most uncontrived, candid shots without invasive use of flash/strobes. It takes special skill to be able to read the light and know when natural light will make or break the shot, and/or when flash is needed. There is as much to learn about using strobes as there is about using a camera. Most of the photography I've done has been in situations where strobes aren't an option, so I worked at getting good at photographs without a strobe. Now, I really need to improve my skills with lighting. I've read light, science and magic twice, and am working my way through the strobist DVDs. One of the reasons I dislike my 540 so much is that I seem to have to put more energy into outsmarting it than I do in where to aim it, and how to diffuse it. It may very well be the fault of the camera that the p-ttl metering isn't worth shite, but on average I get better results putting the flash on manual, and setting my f-stop by guaging the distance, taking a SCWAG at the exposure and occasionally chimping to double check. This is why I get so annoyed at the flash deciding that I really want p-ttl rather than whatever power I set it at. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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However, take a look at this: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=50625id=1022455271ref= nf#!/album.php ?page=6aid=161316id=547536217 These were shot by a girl I know (in my home town), who is calling herself a professional and who purchased her FIRST slr camera less than a year ago! Grr. They are FAR from professional! I don't have a Facebook account, so I can't see them. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter. If her target clients don't like them she won't get any business; if they do, she will. Whether she describes herself as professional or not is irrelevant - what matters from the professional point of view is income. If you're generating regular income you're a professional; otherwise you're not. It doesn't matter what you write on your Facebook page. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I don't have a Facebook account, so I can't see them. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter. If her target clients don't like them she won't get any business; if they do, she will. Whether she describes herself as professional or not is irrelevant - what matters from the professional point of view is income. If you're generating regular income you're a professional; otherwise you're not. It doesn't matter what you write on your Facebook page. Bob I don't watch these TV judge shows, the SO does, but she called me into the TV room last week for a Joe Brown segment , someone suing a wedding photographer for blurry and soft photos. Banter, banter, blah blah etc, then he asked the girl what camera she used and how long she has been doing this. Her reply was a Canon rebel and about 1 year. His response was, a Canon rebel is not a pro camera, proceded to ask if tripod was used etc.(he apparently used to be a photographer) Nothing to do with this thread, I just remembered that segment and thought his response was funny. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14 March 2010 09:03, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I don't watch these TV judge shows, the SO does, but she called me into the TV room last week for a Joe Brown segment , someone suing a wedding photographer for blurry and soft photos. Banter, banter, blah blah etc, then he asked the girl what camera she used and how long she has been doing this. Her reply was a Canon rebel and about 1 year. His response was, a Canon rebel is not a pro camera, proceded to ask if tripod was used etc.(he apparently used to be a photographer) Nothing to do with this thread, I just remembered that segment and thought his response was funny. Dave Funny, just yesterday I was writing a post for my blog about photographers on court TV--this case is most definitely in my post. To add some details, the photographer showed up at to the church ceremony (where strobes weren't allowed, according to her) with a digital rebel and kit lens. When the judge asked her what apertures the lens had, she didn't know. Of course, the photos were rubbish. Here's the post: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/03/14/when-photographers-go-to-court/ Cheers, --M. -- http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My point exactly! Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 5:58 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison On 14 March 2010 09:03, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I don't watch these TV judge shows, the SO does, but she called me into the TV room last week for a Joe Brown segment , someone suing a wedding photographer for blurry and soft photos. Banter, banter, blah blah etc, then he asked the girl what camera she used and how long she has been doing this. Her reply was a Canon rebel and about 1 year. His response was, a Canon rebel is not a pro camera, proceded to ask if tripod was used etc.(he apparently used to be a photographer) Nothing to do with this thread, I just remembered that segment and thought his response was funny. Dave Funny, just yesterday I was writing a post for my blog about photographers on court TV--this case is most definitely in my post. To add some details, the photographer showed up at to the church ceremony (where strobes weren't allowed, according to her) with a digital rebel and kit lens. When the judge asked her what apertures the lens had, she didn't know. Of course, the photos were rubbish. Here's the post: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/03/14/when-photographers-go-to-court/ Cheers, --M. -- http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4944 (20100314) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I TOTALLY agree! And this is why there are so many pros floating around places like Facebook who boast the following: I am an available light photographer, who conveniently comes to you or your chosen location... Translated to meaning - I am a mum who bought myself a camera and can take ok photos and add a vignette or two in PS Elements. Have no idea how to use flash, and can't afford to buy the stuff anyways, and can't afford a studio either. I have a real bee in my bonnet about this new breed, don't get me started! t.x. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Monday, 8 March 2010 10:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison snip As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) --M. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian said: snip I haven't checked whether my AF360FGZ behaves in the same way but I'm in the I hate strobes category and try to avoid using the damn thing. You know, I use mine CONSTANTLY, and I have no idea if it does or doesn't... Actually, on second thoughts, I don't think it does cause I can just go and press the shutter release and it will come back alive and continue where I left off. Admittedly though, I don't use manual very often unless I am trying to shoot with available light but need it to freeze movement when using a slow shutter speed... tan.x. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: I TOTALLY agree! And this is why there are so many pros floating around places like Facebook who boast the following: I am an available light photographer, who conveniently comes to you or your chosen location... Translated to meaning - I am a mum who bought myself a camera and can take ok photos and add a vignette or two in PS Elements. Have no idea how to use flash, and can't afford to buy the stuff anyways, and can't afford a studio either. I have a real bee in my bonnet about this new breed, don't get me started! t.x. Well, there are those of us who know how to use a strobe, can get quite good results with one and still loathe the things. I'm one of those. I've got a nice little collection of speedlights and strobes and will use them if absolutely necessary, but if I can get the shot without them I will. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 13, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: I TOTALLY agree! And this is why there are so many pros floating around places like Facebook who boast the following: I am an available light photographer, who conveniently comes to you or your chosen location... Translated to meaning - I am a mum who bought myself a camera and can take ok photos and add a vignette or two in PS Elements. Have no idea how to use flash, and can't afford to buy the stuff anyways, and can't afford a studio either. I have a real bee in my bonnet about this new breed, don't get me started! t.x. Well, there are those of us who know how to use a strobe, can get quite good results with one and still loathe the things. I'm one of those. I've got a nice little collection of speedlights and strobes and will use them if absolutely necessary, but if I can get the shot without them I will. I tend to agree for the most part. But there are times when I can get a shot without a strobe but realize I can get a better shot by adding some flash. For example, when shooting kids on the playground with high light or backlight, a little flash fill and high-speed synch plusses the photography considerably. Yes, reflectors would be just as good or better, but have you ever tried to keep up with a pack of playing kids while holding a reflector? I'm very fond of strobes both in the studio and on location for what they can bring to my photography. Paul -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 13, 2010, at 5:44 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: I TOTALLY agree! And this is why there are so many pros floating around places like Facebook who boast the following: I am an available light photographer, who conveniently comes to you or your chosen location... Translated to meaning - I am a mum who bought myself a camera and can take ok photos and add a vignette or two in PS Elements. Have no idea how to use flash, and can't afford to buy the stuff anyways, and can't afford a studio either. I have a real bee in my bonnet about this new breed, don't get me started! t.x. Well, there are those of us who know how to use a strobe, can get quite good results with one and still loathe the things. I'm one of those. I've got a nice little collection of speedlights and strobes and will use them if absolutely necessary, but if I can get the shot without them I will. Strobes are a tool, just like a hammer. Nailing the shot is a metaphor, not instructions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I TOTALLY agree! And this is why there are so many pros floating around places like Facebook who boast the following: I am an available light photographer, who conveniently comes to you or your chosen location... Translated to meaning - I am a mum who bought myself a camera and can take ok photos and add a vignette or two in PS Elements. Have no idea how to use flash, and can't afford to buy the stuff anyways, and can't afford a studio either. I have a real bee in my bonnet about this new breed, don't get me started! And how did you get started in this business? As I recall it was in exactly the same way. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) I know how to use it AND I hate it. Anyone who thinks the mark of a professional is knowing how to use artificial light knows nothing about photography. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) I know how to use it AND I hate it. Anyone who thinks the mark of a professional is knowing how to use artificial light knows nothing about photography. Bob The only true mark of a professional is delivering the image without inconveniencing the client more than absolutely necessary for a price which exceeds the costs incurred. This does not necessarily imply excessive skill on the photographer but does imply a functional knowledge of ones limitations. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison On Mar 13, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: I TOTALLY agree! And this is why there are so many pros floating around places like Facebook who boast the following: I am an available light photographer, who conveniently comes to you or your chosen location... Translated to meaning - I am a mum who bought myself a camera and can take ok photos and add a vignette or two in PS Elements. Have no idea how to use flash, and can't afford to buy the stuff anyways, and can't afford a studio either. I have a real bee in my bonnet about this new breed, don't get me started! t.x. Well, there are those of us who know how to use a strobe, can get quite good results with one and still loathe the things. I'm one of those. I've got a nice little collection of speedlights and strobes and will use them if absolutely necessary, but if I can get the shot without them I will. I tend to agree for the most part. But there are times when I can get a shot without a strobe but realize I can get a better shot by adding some flash. For example, when shooting kids on the playground with high light or backlight, a little flash fill and high-speed synch plusses the photography considerably. Yes, reflectors would be just as good or better, but have you ever tried to keep up with a pack of playing kids while holding a reflector? I'm very fond of strobes both in the studio and on location for what they can bring to my photography. Paul I'm with Paul on this one. Learning the little technique of shooting in manual at f4 and 1/60th of a second with some bounced flash really opened up photographic possibilities for me. I haven't mastered strobe use, but I'm not against it or as resistant to it as I used to be. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W said: And how did you get started in this business? As I recall it was in exactly the same way. Good point Bob, and my ego totally needed to be put back in it's place too (it gets a bit too big for its boots sometimes!). So, I totally agree! However, take a look at this: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=50625id=1022455271ref=nf#!/album.php ?page=6aid=161316id=547536217 These were shot by a girl I know (in my home town), who is calling herself a professional and who purchased her FIRST slr camera less than a year ago! Grr. They are FAR from professional! I know how to use it AND I hate it. Anyone who thinks the mark of a professional is knowing how to use artificial light knows nothing about photography. I totally agree! The best shots I have done are the most uncontrived, candid shots without invasive use of flash/strobes. It takes special skill to be able to read the light and know when natural light will make or break the shot, and/or when flash is needed. I hate using flash/strobes too, but I LOVE my ring flash! That thing is my new best friend and it is the way I have achieved some of my most favourite shots lately, like this, which I shot yesterday: http://www.lovebytes.com.au/pics/TaigheBorder.jpg Anyways, IMO, the true measure of a being a great photographer (whether you are pro or not!), is knowing how to use strobes/flash, and when NOT to use it, or when TO use it. I think THAT is the key. Tan.x. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: P. J. Alling On 3/8/2010 10:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Larry Colen On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote: On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource (or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful to me: http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across models for each feature. Igor I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston guy, so he probably says flah-shes. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between:-) I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them. I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. Mine does the same thing. It's like if I'm not shooting for a minute or two it goes to sleep when I wake it up again it has reverted to PTTL. Is it supposed to do that? Well obviously you wouldn't want to make a mistake and think for yourself. PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/3/9 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE! Don't feed him. We just keep him around for show. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Charles Robinson wrote: On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:40, Larry Colen wrote: I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. I agree with this complaint. Any time it is powered up, it defaults to P-TTL, no matter what it was set at before. It would be nice if it remembered what mode it was in and would stay there. -Charles If it's any consolation: in Wireless mode the AF540 doesn't go to sleep until after at least an hour of inactivity. Used that way it effectively doesn't forget its settings while on. That's how I use mine 99.9% of the time, on light stands or mini-tripods, so I'm not bothered by the settings amnesia issue too much. I notice it if I have a nice setup that I leave for the next day to continue using. Then I have to power-on and restore all the settings including Manual mode and the power I had dialed in. I don't have any other flash experience to compare to, but I like the two 540's I have. They're powerful and flexible. I use the rotating head feature a great deal and I'm really glad I spent the extra bucks over the 360. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/9/2010 1:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: P. J. Alling
On 3/8/2010 10:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Larry Colen
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote:
On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:
It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource
(or some don't care for it - as I know some people here
don't care
about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was
rather useful
to me:
http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview
Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison
across
models
for each feature.
Igor
I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page
bookmarked
for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston
guy, so
he probably says flah-shes.
As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two
types of
photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that
hate
strobes.
I'm somewhere in between:-)
I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them.
I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode.
Mine does the same thing. It's like if I'm not shooting for a
minute or two it goes to sleep when I wake it up again it has
reverted to PTTL.
Is it supposed to do that?
Well obviously you wouldn't want to make a mistake and think for
yourself.
PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE!
Takes one to know one. Hell I'm making a joke about a piece of freeing
equipment. You sir are certainly a humorless dolt.
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On 3/9/2010 2:02 PM, AlunFoto wrote:
2010/3/9 John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE!
Don't feed him. We just keep him around for show.
I would have though better of you. I know we don't agree on everything
but this was obviously a comment on engineers not trusting the instincts
of photographers, and John reacted entirely out of some kind of
inferiority. complex in my opinion. Nothing political could be implied
here. Nor was it meant.
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:01 -0500, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling On 3/8/2010 10:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Larry Colen On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote: On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource (or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful to me: http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across models for each feature. Igor I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston guy, so he probably says flah-shes. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between:-) I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them. I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. Mine does the same thing. It's like if I'm not shooting for a minute or two it goes to sleep when I wake it up again it has reverted to PTTL. Is it supposed to do that? Well obviously you wouldn't want to make a mistake and think for yourself. PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE! In fairness, I think Peter was expressing a sarcastic comment directed at the designers of the flash, not at you. I haven't checked whether my AF360FGZ behaves in the same way but I'm in the I hate strobes category and try to avoid using the damn thing. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/9/2010 3:55 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:01 -0500, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
From: P. J. Alling
On 3/8/2010 10:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Larry Colen
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote:
On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchins...@komkon.org wrote:
It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource
(or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care
about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful
to me:
http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview
Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across
models
for each feature.
Igor
I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked
for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston
guy, so
he probably says flah-shes.
As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of
photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate
strobes.
I'm somewhere in between:-)
I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them.
I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode.
Mine does the same thing. It's like if I'm not shooting for a minute
or two it goes to sleep when I wake it up again it has reverted to
PTTL.
Is it supposed to do that?
Well obviously you wouldn't want to make a mistake and think for yourself.
PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE!
In fairness, I think Peter was expressing a sarcastic comment directed
at the designers of the flash, not at you.
I haven't checked whether my AF360FGZ behaves in the same way but I'm in
the I hate strobes category and try to avoid using the damn thing.
Cheers
Brian
Thank you Brian, that is precisely what I was doing. I had no doubt
that John could think for himself. I may not agree with him, but what
the hell, I respect him, but yes I do think he's an asshole too.
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On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource (or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful to me: http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across models for each feature. Igor I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston guy, so he probably says flah-shes. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) --M. -- http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote: On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource (or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful to me: http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across models for each feature. Igor I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston guy, so he probably says flah-shes. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them. I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. If the Metz 58, or whatever it is, stays in the mode that it is put, I may have to start looking for one soon. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've had many flashes over the years. The AF540 is definitely among my favorites. I've never used it in manual mode. Since I can dial in over and under exposure comp on the flash, I see no need to use it manually. Don't know if it's capable of that or not. But my two AF 540s are definitely reliable and powerful units. Used a Sigma 530 Super for a while. Now that was the flash from hell. Paul On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote: On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource (or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful to me: http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across models for each feature. Igor I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston guy, so he probably says flah-shes. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them. I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. If the Metz 58, or whatever it is, stays in the mode that it is put, I may have to start looking for one soon. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:40, Larry Colen wrote: I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. I agree with this complaint. Any time it is powered up, it defaults to P-TTL, no matter what it was set at before. It would be nice if it remembered what mode it was in and would stay there. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison
From: Larry Colen On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote: On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource (or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful to me: http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across models for each feature. Igor I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston guy, so he probably says flah-shes. As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate strobes. I'm somewhere in between :-) I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them. I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. Mine does the same thing. It's like if I'm not shooting for a minute or two it goes to sleep when I wake it up again it has reverted to PTTL. Is it supposed to do that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison
On 3/8/2010 10:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Larry Colen
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote:
On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:
It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource
(or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care
about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful
to me:
http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview
Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across
models
for each feature.
Igor
I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked
for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston
guy, so
he probably says flah-shes.
As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of
photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate
strobes.
I'm somewhere in between :-)
I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them.
I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode.
Mine does the same thing. It's like if I'm not shooting for a minute
or two it goes to sleep when I wake it up again it has reverted to
PTTL.
Is it supposed to do that?
Well obviously you wouldn't want to make a mistake and think for yourself.
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Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison
Mon Mar 8 11:09:34 CST 2010 Charles Robinson wrote: On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:40, Larry Colen wrote: I do not, however, like my AF540. It will NOT stay in manual mode. I agree with this complaint. Any time it is powered up, it defaults to P-TTL, no matter what it was set at before. It would be nice if it remembered what mode it was in and would stay there. -Charles Larry, - the manual mode of the flash is available if you go into the M[anual] mode of the camera (on K-7, at least, but I suspect it's the same on K10/K20). It might be the same way for some other modes (A or T). I've ordered Metz 58 today. It seems to have more flexibility in adjustments. Charles: yes, it is a well known complaint about 540 FGZ that it forgets the settings. And I believe it happens even when it goes into the sleep mode. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds
To achieve slow sync with the 280T and the LX, I had to purchase a special holder made by Pentax. You attach the 280 to the shoe atop the holder and connect it to the LX using that special synch cable made by Pentax (I recall it was an expensive cable). The holder has a switch on it for Auto Sync. Set or Slow Speed Sync. When set to Slow Speed Sync (with the flash set to TTL Auto), I can use shutter speeds below X Synch and usually get perfect exposure. Jim A. Only way I was able to shoot slow sync with that combination was to shoot on 'manual' flash setting and do the math. It always pleased me that the 280 would release the 1/80 shutter for such shooting. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds I don't know the LX at all, but can't you just set the exposure time you want to use manually along with the aperture? Most cameras with TTL flash metering I've used will still control the flash output that way. No. Unfortunately, with a dedicated flash, the LX reverts to 1/80 second unless the control pin is covered. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Pentax Flashgrip has a switch called slow sync, it disables the forced sync speed. Greetz Jos Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Most Canon flash units are pretty much limited to working with the Canon bodies. You might consider a Metz flash unit with an interchangeable dedicated module that would work on both. I don't know the LX at all, but can't you just set the exposure time you want to use manually along with the aperture? Most cameras with TTL flash metering I've used will still control the flash output that way. Godfrey On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:42 AM, Vic Mortelmans wrote: Hi, Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this. I can use my Spotmatic or ES combined with the same flash in auto mode to get slow speeds with flash, but it's a pity I cannot do so with the advanced metering (especially in low light) of my LX. I guess I could use any non-Pentax automatic flash to do the same on the LX, in a way 'fooling' the LX in thinking there's no flash on. But then there's the question of compatibility: the LX should at least properly sync with the flash! Any advices on what type of flash I could be looking for (preferrably a cheapish model on the second hand market)? Goeten, Vic PS. my wife will by buying a Canon DSLR shortly (don't know which model yet) --- maybe an opportunity to find a Canon flash that would both work on the DSLR and on the LX ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Vic Mortelmans wrote: Hi, Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this. I can use my Spotmatic or ES combined with the same flash in auto mode to get slow speeds with flash, but it's a pity I cannot do so with the advanced metering (especially in low light) of my LX. I guess I could use any non-Pentax automatic flash to do the same on the LX, in a way 'fooling' the LX in thinking there's no flash on. But then there's the question of compatibility: the LX should at least properly sync with the flash! Any advices on what type of flash I could be looking for (preferrably a cheapish model on the second hand market)? Goeten, Vic PS. my wife will by buying a Canon DSLR shortly (don't know which model yet) --- maybe an opportunity to find a Canon flash that would both work on the DSLR and on the LX ? I know this was originally sent days if not weeks ago, but I JUST received it in my mailbox on 3/7/2008 at 15:00. The list is certainly wonky... -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Most Canon flash units are pretty much limited to working with the Canon bodies. You might consider a Metz flash unit with an interchangeable dedicated module that would work on both. I don't know the LX at all, but can't you just set the exposure time you want to use manually along with the aperture? Most cameras with TTL flash metering I've used will still control the flash output that way. Godfrey On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:42 AM, Vic Mortelmans wrote: Hi, Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this. I can use my Spotmatic or ES combined with the same flash in auto mode to get slow speeds with flash, but it's a pity I cannot do so with the advanced metering (especially in low light) of my LX. I guess I could use any non-Pentax automatic flash to do the same on the LX, in a way 'fooling' the LX in thinking there's no flash on. But then there's the question of compatibility: the LX should at least properly sync with the flash! Any advices on what type of flash I could be looking for (preferrably a cheapish model on the second hand market)? Goeten, Vic PS. my wife will by buying a Canon DSLR shortly (don't know which model yet) --- maybe an opportunity to find a Canon flash that would both work on the DSLR and on the LX ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi, Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this. I can use my Spotmatic or ES combined with the same flash in auto mode to get slow speeds with flash, but it's a pity I cannot do so with the advanced metering (especially in low light) of my LX. I guess I could use any non-Pentax automatic flash to do the same on the LX, in a way 'fooling' the LX in thinking there's no flash on. But then there's the question of compatibility: the LX should at least properly sync with the flash! Any advices on what type of flash I could be looking for (preferrably a cheapish model on the second hand market)? Goeten, Vic PS. my wife will by buying a Canon DSLR shortly (don't know which model yet) --- maybe an opportunity to find a Canon flash that would both work on the DSLR and on the LX ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Vic Mortelmans Subject: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds Hi, Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this. I can use my Spotmatic or ES combined with the same flash in auto mode to get slow speeds with flash, but it's a pity I cannot do so with the advanced metering (especially in low light) of my LX. I guess I could use any non-Pentax automatic flash to do the same on the LX, in a way 'fooling' the LX in thinking there's no flash on. But then there's the question of compatibility: the LX should at least properly sync with the flash! Any advices on what type of flash I could be looking for (preferrably a cheapish model on the second hand market)? Remember with the LX you are dealing with relatively old technology, and flash was it's Achilles heel, so to speak. I never liked the way the LX handled flash, as it has an annoying habit of not firing the flash in backlit situations. Having said that, the LX does sync properly with your 280T, but Pentax chose to lock the way the camera works with dedicated flash units. If you don't like the way it works with a dedicated flash, then go to a basic auto flash instead. I believe you can disable the forced sync by covering the small pin to the left of the sync terminal on the hot shoe. My own advice would be to use a good quality non dedicated flash such as a Vivitar 285. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds I don't know the LX at all, but can't you just set the exposure time you want to use manually along with the aperture? Most cameras with TTL flash metering I've used will still control the flash output that way. No. Unfortunately, with a dedicated flash, the LX reverts to 1/80 second unless the control pin is covered. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 3, 2008, at 9:09 AM, William Robb wrote: I don't know the LX at all, but can't you just set the exposure time you want to use manually along with the aperture? Most cameras with TTL flash metering I've used will still control the flash output that way. No. Unfortunately, with a dedicated flash, the LX reverts to 1/80 second unless the control pin is covered. Well, that was a bad design decision. Yuck. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Vic Mortelmans wrote: Hi, Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this. Isn't this the behavior that Cotty was able to defeat with his AF280T modification? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds On Mar 3, 2008, at 9:09 AM, William Robb wrote: I don't know the LX at all, but can't you just set the exposure time you want to use manually along with the aperture? Most cameras with TTL flash metering I've used will still control the flash output that way. No. Unfortunately, with a dedicated flash, the LX reverts to 1/80 second unless the control pin is covered. Well, that was a bad design decision. Yuck. They pretty much all worked that way back then. They could have made an easy fix by putting a switch onto the flash to disable the contact that forced X-Sync. I believe Cotty may have done such a thing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:18 AM, William Robb wrote: .. They pretty much all worked that way back then. .. None of my AE capable Nikons of that era (FE2, F3) forced a shutter speed when I set them on manual exposure control. They metered the flash TTL for the aperture I chose and ran the exposure time per my setting. They would only set the shutter speed using a dedicated flash when I left them set on auto exposure. The same was true for my Contax 139ma and Minolta XD-11. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes it was, and I'm sure he'll post it again... Mark Roberts wrote: Vic Mortelmans wrote: Hi, Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this. Isn't this the behavior that Cotty was able to defeat with his AF280T modification? -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: I believe you can disable the forced sync by covering the small pin to the left of the sync terminal on the hot shoe. A nice experiment... will this also disable the TTL capabilities? My own advice would be to use a good quality non dedicated flash such as a Vivitar 285. Probably a better advice on the longer term. Non-Pentax side question: will this type of flash also be of use on a modern Canon DSLR? Thanks for the advice! Groeten, Vic -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Only way I was able to shoot slow sync with that combination was to shoot on 'manual' flash setting and do the math. It always pleased me that the 280 would release the 1/80 shutter for such shooting. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds I don't know the LX at all, but can't you just set the exposure time you want to use manually along with the aperture? Most cameras with TTL flash metering I've used will still control the flash output that way. No. Unfortunately, with a dedicated flash, the LX reverts to 1/80 second unless the control pin is covered. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Vic Mortelmans wrote: My own advice would be to use a good quality non dedicated flash such as a Vivitar 285. Probably a better advice on the longer term. Non-Pentax side question: will this type of flash also be of use on a modern Canon DSLR? I agree with this too. The modern Vivitar 285 HV or a Sunpak 383 have very low trigger voltage ( 6V) and can be used on any modern DSLR or fixed lens digicam safely. I use the Sunpak 383 ... it lacks the zoom head but I is easier to fit with the Lumiquest diffusers and bounce attachments. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: They could have made an easy fix by putting a switch onto the flash to disable the contact that forced X-Sync. I believe Cotty may have done such a thing. I did indeed. A very simple mod, really. Just involved a simple switch on the right wire, popped through the plastic casing and voila. I sold the flash years ago to someone, I forget who. I still have the schematics and photos of the op somewhere if anyone is desperate... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds
- Original Message - From: Vic Mortelmans Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds William Robb wrote: I believe you can disable the forced sync by covering the small pin to the left of the sync terminal on the hot shoe. A nice experiment... will this also disable the TTL capabilities? I'm pretty sure TTL is off the other contact, and the left one just forces the shutter speed. Boz's site should have a good explanation of this. My own advice would be to use a good quality non dedicated flash such as a Vivitar 285. Probably a better advice on the longer term. Non-Pentax side question: will this type of flash also be of use on a modern Canon DSLR? It should be just fine. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DL TTL flash madness
I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
More or less. It's just way faster. I don't think one can call that lag. Maybe for some time critical shots but really, you don't feel any lag. On 4/4/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385
Re: DL TTL flash madness
To me, it looks more like one slightly longer flash, rather than a pre burst and main flash as two separate bursts. However, some people are prone to blinking and it is quite easy for them to get the eyelids starting to close while the exposure is being made. I get way more partially closed eyes with P-TTL than I do with TTL when shooting weddings and portraits. It seems to be only those who are prone to blinking in flash photos anyway. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, April 4, 2006, 7:03:47 AM, you wrote: JB I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre JB flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken JB quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same JB reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. JB Regards JB Jens Bladt JB http://www.jensbladt.dk JB -Oprindelig meddelelse- JB Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 JB Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JB Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness JB It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. JB -Adam JB Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Red Eye Reduction purposely slows things down to give people's eyes time to react, pre-flash for metering needs to occur as quickly as possible to prevent movement from changing the needed exposure. Same technology, applied in opposite manners. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
To me, it looks more like one slightly longer flash, rather than a pre burst and main flash as two separate bursts. However, some people are prone to blinking and it is quite easy for them to get the eyelids starting to close while the exposure is being made. I get way more partially closed eyes with P-TTL than I do with TTL when shooting weddings and portraits. It seems to be only those who are prone to blinking in flash photos anyway. -- Best regards, Bruce Yes I second that. Difficult to get open eyes. Maybe putting off 'A' setting. Then you get plain TTL but only with D,DS,DS2 of course. -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
RE: DL TTL flash madness
I don't know who said what. I guess Adam said only the cheapest Pentax DSLR (DS2) supports plain TTL flash. That is not the case. So does the PENTAX *ist D. I want the new DSLR to support plain TTL (perhaps as well as other, more recent systems). Or I will have to consider taking my business elsewhere. I have more money invested in TTL flashes than the cost of a new body. I don't se any reason why a new pro-speced camera should not support more than one kind of TTL flash. Most pro's already have several TTL flashes (and lenses etc.). If a pro body is made for photographers, it should support the gear that photographers already use. It should support the photographers - not just the manufacturer's need of selling a lot of improved stuff. Some times the manufacturer's just change things for the reason of selling more - not because it's actually an improvement. Crippled means a lack of backwards compatibility. For amateurs it's not that important. They only have one body and a few lenses and maybe one flash. For pro's it's important since they have many lenses and flashes. Crippling backwards compatibility means making cameras for one time buyers - amateurs that buy one camera every five years. Not for a pro, using many components of the same brand all the time. I would hate to have to change brands - or switch to computer flash because of one tiny missing circuit worth only a couple of dollars. To me pre-flash is a step backwards - it takes time, it's annoying and not necessary at all. I can make perfectly lit flash photographs with the D and a bounced 100 USD TTL Metz flash. What's the problem with that? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 4. april 2006 02:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Jens, what are you talking about? You said you don't want the D2 if it's the same as a DL in terms of flash handling. I asked why the new high-end body would it be crippled like the cheapest DSLR that Pentax sells. Are you saying that the D is also crippled? If so, your complaints lead me to believe you should buy a DS2. You seem to think I'm saying the very opposite of what I'm saying. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: DL TTL flash madness Date: Mon Apr 3, 2006 12:59 pm Size: 1K To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006
RE: DL TTL flash madness
I want a flsh photograph to look something like this. It's hardlyu notiveable, that a flash was used: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/123353168/ Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 4. april 2006 16:04 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Jens, I didn't say only the cheapest Pentax DSLR supports TTL, because it doesn't. Only the DS and DS2 do TTL well, the D only does it accurately at 400ISO, having exposure issues at other ISO settings. And where are you going to take your business? The DS2 is the only DSLR on the market currently that does plain TTL flash. Pre-Flash is simply more accurate, and permits technologies like multiple balanced wireless remotes (As done with i-TTL and E-TTL) and accurate balanced fill-flash. You have a number of obsolete flashes. Be glad Pentax was kind enough to not obsolete your flash gear immediately, as Nikon did, Twice (Well, sort of, Nikon's pro bodies still support D-TTL, no other current Nikon body does). -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: I don't know who said what. I guess Adam said only the cheapest Pentax DSLR (DS2) supports plain TTL flash. That is not the case. So does the PENTAX *ist D. I want the new DSLR to support plain TTL (perhaps as well as other, more recent systems). Or I will have to consider taking my business elsewhere. I have more money invested in TTL flashes than the cost of a new body. I don't se any reason why a new pro-speced camera should not support more than one kind of TTL flash. Most pro's already have several TTL flashes (and lenses etc.). If a pro body is made for photographers, it should support the gear that photographers already use. It should support the photographers - not just the manufacturer's need of selling a lot of improved stuff. Some times the manufacturer's just change things for the reason of selling more - not because it's actually an improvement. Crippled means a lack of backwards compatibility. For amateurs it's not that important. They only have one body and a few lenses and maybe one flash. For pro's it's important since they have many lenses and flashes. Crippling backwards compatibility means making cameras for one time buyers - amateurs that buy one camera every five years. Not for a pro, using many components of the same brand all the time. I would hate to have to change brands - or switch to computer flash because of one tiny missing circuit worth only a couple of dollars. To me pre-flash is a step backwards - it takes time, it's annoying and not necessary at all. I can make perfectly lit flash photographs with the D and a bounced 100 USD TTL Metz flash. What's the problem with that? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 4. april 2006 02:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Jens, what are you talking about? You said you don't want the D2 if it's the same as a DL in terms of flash handling. I asked why the new high-end body would it be crippled like the cheapest DSLR that Pentax sells. Are you saying that the D is also crippled? If so, your complaints lead me to believe you should buy a DS2. You seem to think I'm saying the very opposite of what I'm saying. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: DL TTL flash madness Date: Mon Apr 3, 2006 12:59 pm Size: 1K To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03
Re: DL TTL flash madness
No problem and by the way, if control is what you want, computer controlled flash and manual flash are still there AFAIK. For me PTTL is important because I just can't how to do these things myself (like good fill-in, calculate power and so on) so I need (and i'm very happy) that an automatic system can do this for me. But if I co do it myself, why complain about something you won't use? Just don't use it, that's all. And no I don't think Pentax will not support plain TTL with such a body as the D2. But well, Pentax knows how to shoot itself in the feet so, why not? -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: DL TTL flash madness
On Apr 4, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: I want a flsh photograph to look something like this. It's hardlyu notiveable, that a flash was used: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/123353168/ Hmm. Well, to my eye, it's apparent that a flash with bounce attachment was used as the light is falling off rapidly with distance and the direction of the light is broadly diffused downwards, as if coming off the ceiling over the photographer's head. There's nothing to indicate that this photo shows anything different from what my Sunpak 383 would do. Godfrey
RE: DL TTL flash madness
Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. marts 2006 19:16 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Mar 31, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: ... I think of it as a crippled flash interface. ... I understand your disappointment; it is one of the reasons I prefer the DS body. However, for the newcomer to SLR cameras who is going to buy new flash equipment along with body and lens, I imagine it isn't even a consideration. Crippled is kind of a strong word ... If you bought a DL and the appropriate AF360FGZ (or Sigma EF 500 DG Super) flash unit, the system is anything but crippled. For my own use, although I prefer to have the potential capability in the DS body, I don't own any dedicated flash unit. I use a generic, inexpensive Sunpak 383 and a couple of Paterson ELite flash panels. The Sunpak has its own exposure metering and does a great job with flash metering, beyond that I use a flash meter to measure things and set the ISO/aperture/exposure time accordingly. A different way of working with flash, yes. One of these days I'll get a dedicated flash unit too, I imagine. I just haven't seen the need as yet. Godfrey -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Expect it not to. Pre-flash based TTL and Auto-Thyristor flash are both more reliable with Digital than plain TTL. It's remarkable that TTL ever worked with the *ist's (the only other recent DSLR to support TTL flash was the Fuji S2 Pro, all others use a pre-flash based system like E-TTL, iTTL, D-TTL or whatever KM called theirs). In other words, TTL is dead. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. marts 2006 19:16 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Mar 31, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: ... I think of it as a crippled flash interface. ... I understand your disappointment; it is one of the reasons I prefer the DS body. However, for the newcomer to SLR cameras who is going to buy new flash equipment along with body and lens, I imagine it isn't even a consideration. Crippled is kind of a strong word ... If you bought a DL and the appropriate AF360FGZ (or Sigma EF 500 DG Super) flash unit, the system is anything but crippled. For my own use, although I prefer to have the potential capability in the DS body, I don't own any dedicated flash unit. I use a generic, inexpensive Sunpak 383 and a couple of Paterson ELite flash panels. The Sunpak has its own exposure metering and does a great job with flash metering, beyond that I use a flash meter to measure things and set the ISO/aperture/exposure time accordingly. A different way of working with flash, yes. One of these days I'll get a dedicated flash unit too, I imagine. I just haven't seen the need as yet. Godfrey -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
By the way, I saw Metz did release a new version of their 45 flashes with E-TTL (and others) compatibility. Interesting I'd say ... On 4/3/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Expect it not to. Pre-flash based TTL and Auto-Thyristor flash are both more reliable with Digital than plain TTL. It's remarkable that TTL ever worked with the *ist's (the only other recent DSLR to support TTL flash was the Fuji S2 Pro, all others use a pre-flash based system like E-TTL, iTTL, D-TTL or whatever KM called theirs). In other words, TTL is dead. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. marts 2006 19:16 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Mar 31, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: ... I think of it as a crippled flash interface. ... I understand your disappointment; it is one of the reasons I prefer the DS body. However, for the newcomer to SLR cameras who is going to buy new flash equipment along with body and lens, I imagine it isn't even a consideration. Crippled is kind of a strong word ... If you bought a DL and the appropriate AF360FGZ (or Sigma EF 500 DG Super) flash unit, the system is anything but crippled. For my own use, although I prefer to have the potential capability in the DS body, I don't own any dedicated flash unit. I use a generic, inexpensive Sunpak 383 and a couple of Paterson ELite flash panels. The Sunpak has its own exposure metering and does a great job with flash metering, beyond that I use a flash meter to measure things and set the ISO/aperture/exposure time accordingly. A different way of working with flash, yes. One of these days I'll get a dedicated flash unit too, I imagine. I just haven't seen the need as yet. Godfrey -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: DL TTL flash madness
On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Jens Bladt wrote on 03.04.06 8:22: If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Sell all these oldies and buy one solid, modern, P-TTL, HSS and wireless capable flash like Pentax AF540FGZ or Sigma 500 DG Super... -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: DL TTL flash madness
On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:59 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Sell all these oldies and buy one solid, modern, P-TTL, HSS and wireless capable flash like Pentax AF540FGZ or Sigma 500 DG Super... I'll probably continue using the Sunpak 383 ... Godfrey
RE: DL TTL flash madness
Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Jens Bladt wrote: Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron Because TTL flash is a dead end on digital. There's a good reason every other manufacturer abandoned it, and I expect Pentax will follow. It's unfortunate that they were late to the game with P-TTL, but at least they aren't in the situation that Nikon was with D-TTL, which quickly got abandoned, leaving all of the Nikon shooters with an option of buying either the top-end Nikon bodies (D2x, D2Hs) or new flashes, as the low and midrange bodies all abandoned it in favour of iTTL. Note the only DSLR on the market today which supports plain TTL is the DS2. -Adam
Re: DL TTL flash madness
-- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note the only DSLR on the market today which supports plain TTL is the DS2. And the D. Probably the DS as well, although I have no personal experience with that camera. However, both of my Ds work fine in TTL mode with the AF400T, and the manual indicates that TTL is supported. Paul
RE: DL TTL flash madness
BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
RE: DL TTL flash madness
What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Jens Bladt wrote: What is E-TTL? I don't know. E-TTL is Canon's primary flash system, introduced in 1998 and recently updated to E-TTL 2 with the introduction of the 20d some 18 months ago or so. It's a pre-flash based system, but not intrusive (unlike the horrible A-TTL system Canon used through the 1990's) All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. The preflash is indistinguishable from the main flash with these systems. We're talking a few extra milliseconds for the preflash. We're not talking red-eye reduction and the consequent 1/2 second+ delays inherent to that. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! Pre-flash systems meter more accurately with bounce flash than TTL does, especially with a balanced fill system. One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Then you want balanced fill flash done with a preflash based system. It tends to be less intrusive and harsh than plain TTL as it automatically will handle balancing ambient and flash exposures. I'm not sure if P-TTL offers this, and if it does, it likely requires a hotshow flash, not the pop-up. -Adam Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
RE: DL TTL flash madness
And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
RE: DL TTL flash madness
You can bounce P-TTL flash just as you would any other flash. The preflash is barely noticed. It's insignificant. Paul -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
On Apr 3, 2006, at 13:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can bounce P-TTL flash just as you would any other flash. The preflash is barely noticed. It's insignificant. Except that it makes my daughter blink every time, so almost every flash photo I take of her makes it look like she's half drunk. And she barely drinks at all! (She's 19 - so I'm not naive enough to believe that she *never* drinks even though legal drinking age is 21...) -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org
RE: DL TTL flash madness
So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
The only way that I know that the E-TTL system on the Canon 10D is using a pre-flash is that I can see the flash in the viewfinder... same for the Pentax. It is, evidently, within the neuro-musculature perception of some folks to react to the pre-flash with an eye blink, but it is imperceptible to most conscious observation. Godfrey On Apr 3, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Adam Maas wrote: It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
RE: DL TTL flash madness
Jens, what are you talking about? You said you don't want the D2 if it's the same as a DL in terms of flash handling. I asked why the new high-end body would it be crippled like the cheapest DSLR that Pentax sells. Are you saying that the D is also crippled? If so, your complaints lead me to believe you should buy a DS2. You seem to think I'm saying the very opposite of what I'm saying. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: DL TTL flash madness Date: Mon Apr 3, 2006 12:59 pm Size: 1K To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006
Re: DL TTL flash madness
In brief: The AF500FTZ gives erratic results on the D, sometimes good and mostly overexposed. The Sigma EF500 DG works well on the D. The AF500FTZ works well on the DS. The AF500FTZ doesn't work at all with the DL (always full power). Dario - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: DL TTL flash madness Dario Bonazza wrote: s I own the D (which also doesn't work as well as the DS with TTL). In what way doesn't the D work well with TTL? Please don't tell my two D cameras, because they both work fine with either TTL (AF 400T) or TTL-P (Sigma 500 Super). Paul
Re: DL TTL flash madness
In that kind of things but not photo related: In Belgium we have a couple stores named Exell which are computer stores. Well, most computer sciences student like to go to these when thay are bored so they can play with sales people. It's really really much fun. Of course when you hear what they advise to other buyers, then it's no fun anymore. I forgot to add that usually theses stores are about 10-15% higher priced than other little stores and about 30% higher than internet prices. -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It may seem cold to say so, but he should probably have done more thorough research if that was his intent. The DL is the bottom of the line DSLR body ... Why should one assume that all things from the past are compatible with the least expensive body, intended for newcomers to the brand? Features are dropped to allow lower pricing on such equipment. Your point about research is very valid. However, the -DL is the first Pentax since the Super-A not to feature TTL flash, thus the surprise. Also, Pentax at the time did not have but the puny 360 available, and still doesn't have something better. And I'm not even sure the 360 works well on the D. I didn't check that combo enough to be sure, but I have that feeling from a few shots I took. At the end of the day, I'm afraid that the only TTL flash working well on the D to be the Sigma EF500 DG. I do hope the next AF540FGZ will be capable to do the same, but I haven't had the chance to check it. Sure I will no longer buy a Pentax product without advance careful research and test on compatibility. Too high a risk to be fooled. Apologies for the conjecture, but I doubt salespersons have realised the chop unless someone has returned a body to them for that reason. I know I would. That's exactly what happened. Dario
