Re: [NF] A New Chapter
Congratulations. Regards, LelandJ On 08/22/2014 04:31 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: Today is my last day at Rackspace. No, I'm not getting fired. ;-) I have accepted an offer to work for IBM. Ill be working from home, hacking on OpenStack. So it'll be essentially doing what I'm doing now, but just with a little bump up in compensation. And no, I will not have to wear a suit and tie. -- Ed Leafe --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/pgp-signature --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53f75072.5080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Enbedding a PDF
Perhaps this will help: http://www.pdfobject.com/markup/index.php Regards, LelandJ On 08/19/2014 08:04 AM, Charles Hart Enzer wrote: On some of my Web Pages, I want to embed a PDF. I want to the PDF to open in the Browser. When I put in a link to a PDF, the Browser now asks to download. Thank you. *CharlesCharles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAPVolunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati Medical CenterWebSite:http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD* *If You See What Needs To Be Repaired And How to Repair It,Then You Have Found a Piece of The WorldThat G-D Has Left For You to Complete.But If You Only See What Is Wrong And How Ugly It Is,Then It Is Yourself That Needs Repair. Menachem Mendel Schneerson* *Stop **Spammers** and **Virus Propagation* *Before forwarding, please delete the history of all email address* --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53f35471.8090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Enbedding a PDF
I think the html target attribute is what you're looking for: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_a_target.asp Regards, LelandJ On 08/19/2014 11:10 AM, Charles Hart Enzer wrote: Dear Leland: Thank you. Works fine. My next step is HTML to open the PDF in another window. What do you suggest? *Charles* *Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAPVolunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati Medical CenterWebSite:http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD* *If You See What Needs To Be Repaired And How to Repair It,Then You Have Found a Piece of The WorldThat G-D Has Left For You to Complete.But If You Only See What Is Wrong And How Ugly It Is,Then It Is Yourself That Needs Repair. Menachem Mendel Schneerson* *Stop **Spammers** and **Virus Propagation* *Before forwarding, please delete the history of all email address* On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Leland F Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Perhaps this will help: http://www.pdfobject.com/markup/index.php Regards, LelandJ On 08/19/2014 08:04 AM, Charles Hart Enzer wrote: On some of my Web Pages, I want to embed a PDF. I want to the PDF to open in the Browser. When I put in a link to a PDF, the Browser now asks to download. Thank you. *CharlesCharles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAPVolunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati Medical CenterWebSite:http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD* *If You See What Needs To Be Repaired And How to Repair It,Then You Have Found a Piece of The WorldThat G-D Has Left For You to Complete.But If You Only See What Is Wrong And How Ugly It Is,Then It Is Yourself That Needs Repair. Menachem Mendel Schneerson* *Stop **Spammers** and **Virus Propagation* *Before forwarding, please delete the history of all email address* --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53f37a4b.5070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Enbedding a PDF
The target element goes in the link that calls the web page, so if you put it in the link to the page with the embedded pdf, you could open the web page in new window or browser tab. Alternatively, you could put the object code in a web page of its own with a link that open that page in a new window or browser tab. For example: pYou can try our a href=cakes.html /target=_top/lovely range of cakes/a./p Regards, LelandJ On 08/19/2014 02:01 PM, Charles Hart Enzer wrote Thank you for the Attribute Element. I haven't figured out how to combine Attrib with Object. That is, Open the PDF in It's Own Window T hank you *.* *Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAPVolunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati Medical CenterWebSite:http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD* *If You See What Needs To Be Repaired And How to Repair It,Then You Have Found a Piece of The WorldThat G-D Has Left For You to Complete.But If You Only See What Is Wrong And How Ugly It Is,Then It Is Yourself That Needs Repair. Menachem Mendel Schneerson* *Stop **Spammers** and **Virus Propagation* *Before forwarding, please delete the history of all email address* On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Leland F Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: I think the html target attribute is what you're looking for: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_a_target.asp Regards, LelandJ On 08/19/2014 11:10 AM, Charles Hart Enzer wrote: Dear Leland: Thank you. Works fine. My next step is HTML to open the PDF in another window. What do you suggest? *Charles* *Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAPVolunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati Medical CenterWebSite:http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD* *If You See What Needs To Be Repaired And How to Repair It,Then You Have Found a Piece of The WorldThat G-D Has Left For You to Complete.But If You Only See What Is Wrong And How Ugly It Is,Then It Is Yourself That Needs Repair. Menachem Mendel Schneerson* *Stop **Spammers** and **Virus Propagation* *Before forwarding, please delete the history of all email address* On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Leland F Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Perhaps this will help: http://www.pdfobject.com/markup/index.php Regards, LelandJ On 08/19/2014 08:04 AM, Charles Hart Enzer wrote: On some of my Web Pages, I want to embed a PDF. I want to the PDF to open in the Browser. When I put in a link to a PDF, the Browser now asks to download. Thank you. *CharlesCharles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAPVolunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati Medical CenterWebSite:http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD http://TinyURL.com/EnzerMD* *If You See What Needs To Be Repaired And How to Repair It,Then You Have Found a Piece of The WorldThat G-D Has Left For You to Complete.But If You Only See What Is Wrong And How Ugly It Is,Then It Is Yourself That Needs Repair. Menachem Mendel Schneerson* *Stop **Spammers** and **Virus Propagation* *Before forwarding, please delete the history of all email address* --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53f3a720.7070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Testing
On 08/16/2014 12:22 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: I've been doing some maintenance; just wanted to make sure that I didn't mess things up. -- Ed Leafe Everything's working for me. Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/pgp-signature --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53f0bea3.7080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Error installing VFP7 on Win7ProSP1 64-but
I recently was unable to install Virtualbox on a computer running Fedora 19, that used the new UEFI BIOS. After disabling Secure Boot in UEFI, Virtualbox install normally. If the new Dell computer is using UEFI, try disabling Secure Boot in the UEFI BIOS. It's a long shot, but worth a try. #--- Excerpt: The Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) (pronounced as an initialism U-E-F-I or like unify without the n)[a] is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. UEFI is meant to replace the Basic Input/Output System (BIOS) firmware interface, originally present in all IBM PC-compatible personal computers.[2][3] In practice, most UEFI images provide legacy support for BIOS services. UEFI can support remote diagnostics and repair of computers, even without another operating system.[4] # # Excerpt: Secure boot[edit] See also: Windows 8: Secure boot and Hardware restrictions: Secure boot In 2011, Microsoft announced that computers certified to run its Windows 8 operating system had to ship with secure boot enabled using a Microsoft private key. Following the announcement, the company was accused by critics and free software/open source advocates (including the Free Software Foundation) of trying to use the secure boot functionality of UEFI to hinder or outright prevent the installation of alternative operating systems such as Linux. Microsoft denied that the secure boot requirement was intended to serve as a form of lock-in, and clarified its requirements by stating that systems certified for Windows 8 must allow secure boot to enter custom mode or be disabled, but not on systems using the ARM architecture.[42][91] Other developers raised concerns about the legal and practical issues of implementing support for secure boot on Linux systems in general. Former Red Hat developer Matthew Garrett noted that conditions in the GNU General Public License version 3 may prevent the use of the GRUB bootloader without a distribution's developer disclosing the private key (however, the Free Software Foundation has since clarified its position, assuring that the responsibility to make keys available was held by the hardware manufacturer),[68] and that it would also be difficult for advanced users to build custom kernels that could function with secure boot enabled without self-signing them.[91] Other developers suggested that signed builds of Linux with another key could be provided, but noted that it would be difficult to persuade OEMs to ship their computers with the required key alongside the Microsoft key.[3] Several major Linux distributions have developed different implementations for secure boot. Matthew Garrett himself developed a minimal bootloader known as shim; a pre-compiled, signed bootloader that allows the user to individually trust keys provided by distributors.[92] Ubuntu 12.10 uses an older version of shim pre-configured for use with Canonical's own key that only verifies the bootloader and allows unsigned kernels to be loaded: developers believed this practice of only signing the bootloader is more feasible, since a trusted kernel is only effective at securing user space and not the pre-boot state (which secure boot is designed to protect). This also allows users to build their own kernels and use custom kernel modules as well, without needing to re-configure the system.[68][93][94] Canonical also maintains its own private key to sign installations of Ubuntu pre-loaded on certified OEM computers that run the operating system, and also plans to enforce a secure boot requirement as well---requiring both a Canonical key and a Microsoft key (for compatibility reasons) to be included in their firmware. Fedora also uses shim, but requires that both the kernel and its modules be signed as well.[93] It has been disputed whether the kernel and its modules must be signed as well; while the UEFI specifications do not require it, Microsoft has asserted that their contractual requirements do, and that it reserves the right to revoke any certificates used to sign code that can be used to compromise the security of the system.[94] In February 2013, another Red Hat developer attempted to submit a patch to the Linux kernel that would allow it to parse Microsoft's authenticode signing using a master X.509 key embedded in PE files signed by Microsoft. However, the proposal was criticized by Linux creator Linus Torvalds, who attacked Red Hat for supporting Microsoft's control over the secure boot infrastructure.[95] On March 26, 2013, the Spanish free software development group Hispalinux filed a formal complaint with the European Commission, contending that Microsoft's secure boot requirements on OEM systems were obstructive and anti-competitive.[96] At the Black Hat conference in August 2013, a group of security
Re: Error installing VFP7 on Win7ProSP1 64-but
Although turning off Secure Boot didn't solve your problem, I'd like to discuss Secure Boot, and it's potential to make mischief for VFP and other software and OS(s) a little further. The problem I had with Virtualbox running in Fedora was not starting Vbox, but rather starting the guest Window 7 OS. Evidentially the Secure CPU, or other Secure Boot software or hardware failed to start the guest Window 7 OS; because, it saw it as an unsigned threat. Resent versions of Fedora and Redhat Linux run fine with EUIF enabled, but at a cost: http://www.howtogeek.com/116569/htg-explains-how-windows-8s-secure-boot-feature-works-what-it-means-for-linux/ http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html Regards, LelandJ On 08/11/2014 04:08 PM, Ted Roche wrote: Several reboots later, still no joy. Downloaded the VFP7 runtime from Cristof's site, as I thought it might let me slip in the runtime package I needed. Nope. Downloaded vRunFox from Leafe.com and it starts okay, so the runtime dlls install fine and run without further voodoo. Open to ideas. On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@tedroche.com wrote: One of the Associates picked up a shiny new machine, Dell Precision M6700, with all the bells and whistles: i7-3740QM CPU, 16 Gb Ram, dual 1TB-RAID1 HDDs. massive 17 screen. Yikes. Went through the usual infinite MS updates (117 of them, followed by 6 or 8 more, a couple of reboots) and got around to installing VFP7 ( we use several versions). Installed the pre-requisites okay, but went to install VFP7 and got the error message, Internal Error 2356. msinet.msm User has administrator rights. Will retry the install with Run as administrator - re-ran Windows Compnent Upgrade and then the VFP install with the same error. Googling the error didn't yield any relevant results. Suggestions? -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53e941d6.7070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) and its Secure Boot
I recently installed Fedora 19 on a new computer, which used the UEFI BIOS. Sometime later, (eg 6 months or so), I installed Virtualbox to be hosted by Fedora. Then I purchased window 7 and installed Windows 7 as a guest OS in Vbox. The windows 7 guest consistently failed to launch, so after a couple of days of exploring various combinations of hardware and software settings and researching Google, I found the solution. Vbox needs a legacy BIOS to run guest OS(s) in X86 computer that have Security Boot enabled, so I disable Security Boot in the UEFI BIOS; after which everything ran normally. Here more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot_2 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn481258.aspx Resent versions of Fedora and Redhat Linux run fine with EUIF enabled, but Vbox VMs hosted in Fedora computers using the new UEFI BIOS need Security Boot disabled. http://www.howtogeek.com/116569/htg-explains-how-windows-8s-secure-boot-feature-works-what-it-means-for-linux/ http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53e97b35.7040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] VFP6 and SAMBA Drives
On 07/28/2014 01:20 PM, Paul Hill wrote: On 28 July 2014 16:16, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, at 03:28 PM, Desmond Lloyd wrote: Why would you use SAMBA, all of his servers are Windows servers, SAMBA is primarily a Linux product isn't it? Samba is a free, open-source implementation of the Microsoft Server Message Block network protocol, used on *nix clients (so Linux, Unix, Mac etc) I had the client working on a Commodore Amiga back in the day... I did a Google on SAMBA, (eg SAMBA - Window versus Linux servers) and found an interesting link. #--- Excerpt: We may love our Linux boxes, but most of us will at some point need to co-exist on a network with Windows machines, and will know Samba as the thing that enables sharing filesystems between Linux and Windows. But it does much more than that and, with version 4, is fully compatible with Microsoft's Active Directory. This is a big thing. Samba has long been able to act as a Windows NT 4.0 Domain Controller, or join an existing Windows NT 4.0 Domain but, with the release of Windows 2000, Microsoft started moving away from NT Domain controllers to their new Active Directory, widening the gap between the Linux and Windows ecosystems. Samba version 4 provides the long-awaited remedy to this issue by being fully compatible with Active Directory. It fully implements the Active Directory domain controller functionality, making it an effective replacement for the equivalent functions in Microsoft's Windows Server product line. Samba is an open source implementation of the Server Message Block, or SMB, protocol. It is an application-layer network protocol that was originally developed by IBM to provide shared access to files and printers. Microsoft extended its implementation of SMB to support authentication using its own NT LAN Manager (NTLM) and, later, NTLMv2 protocols. It called this implementation the Common Internet File System, or CIFS. Further extensions, including support for symbolic links, were released as SMB2 with Windows Vista. Samba has supported SMB2 since version 3.6. Microsoft introduced SMB2.1 with Windows 7 and SMB3 with Windows 8. It calls the differing versions of the protocol dialects, so CIFS and SMB2 are dialects of the SMB protocol. Raspberry Pi operating systems: 5 reviewed and rated Whilst these dialects are proprietary, their specifications are publicly available: one of the outcomes of Microsoft's settlement with the European Courts in 2004 was the release of full documentation for network authentication with Active Directory. This led to the development of version 4 of Samba, with Microsoft itself being involved in the testing. http://www.techradar.com/us/news/networking/samba-4-share-filesystems-between-linux-and-windows-1154705/1 # Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53d7c3c8.5000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] VFP6 and SAMBA Drives
I believe Alan is correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Message_Block Setting up a Free Fedora Linux server for window clients using the SMB protocol: http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/sambaserver.shtml Regards, LelandJ On 07/28/2014 10:16 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, at 03:28 PM, Desmond Lloyd wrote: Why would you use SAMBA, all of his servers are Windows servers, SAMBA is primarily a Linux product isn't it? Samba is a free, open-source implementation of the Microsoft Server Message Block network protocol, used on *nix clients (so Linux, Unix, Mac etc) Yes, it allows these operating systems to access Windows shared resources (drives, printers, Active Directory). No, there's no way or need to use it on Windows clients. I suspect they are confused and are actually talking about actual SMB / SMB2/ SMB3 on a purely Windows network in which case recent discussions of same on this list would apply. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53d66dd7.2070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Steve Balmer
Notable quotes: #- Brief History Of Linux (#17) Terrible calamity IBM chose Microsoft's Quick Dirty Operating System instead of CP/M for its new line of PCs. QDOS (along with the abomination known as EDLIN) had been acquired from a Seattle man, Tim Paterson, for the paltry sum of $50,000. Quick and Dirty were truly an accurate description of this system, because IBM's quality assurance department discovered 300 bugs in QDOS's 8,000 lines of assember code (that's about 1 bug per 27 lines -- which, at the time, was appalling, but compared with Windows 98 today, it really wasn't that shabby). Thanks in part to IBM's new marketing slogan, Nobody Ever Got Fired For Choosing IBM(tm), and the release of the VisiCalc spreadsheet program that everybody and their brother wanted, IBM PCs running DOS flew off the shelves and, unfortunately, secured Microsoft's runaway success. Bill Gates was now on his way to the Billionaire's Club; his days as a mediocre programmer were long gone: he was now a Suit. The only lines of code he would ever see would be the passcodes to his Swiss bank accounts. -- Anonymous #-- Microsoft is to Software as McDonalds is to Cuisine. -- Anonymous #- Regards, LelandJ On 06/13/2014 04:10 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: I would suspect something like 80% of the income of the Clippers goes to labor, so all that money is being put into the economy. Additionally Sterling will not live forever and that money will go to his heirs and to the treasury to spend. - Original Message - From: Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Steve Balmer Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I could use that 2 billion to put tens of thousands of Americans to work in America. If you had the ability you would have created a business yourself and put people to work. But you don't. You just whine. Seriously, you just don't get how jobs are created, do you? Money invested in the Clippers does put thousands to work: = Ticket sellers, ushers, vendors, etc. in the arena. = Us IT folks web designers, = TV people of all sorts, such as producers, camera operators, announcers, ad salespeople, 100s more = advertising agencies = all of the administrative people for the Clippers company, = Retailers selling Clippers merchandise, plus all of their support people and distributors = Not to mention the athletes themselves, plus each of the wealthier ones are probably corporations with their own support staff. All of the sycophants; what else would they do? (Hookers and drugs cost money, you know.) Also, some of the better ones set up foundations (and all of the support staff) = Plus 100s of jobs overseas making and shipping merchandise. Each gainfully employed person is one less terrorist prospect. Gee, maybe even some in the USA. What would you do? Give the money to some hapless politician who awards $$$ to cronies for projects nobody wants. Or bureaucrats, who spend $100,000 to create each fleeting minimum-wage job? Yes, you are smarter than Balmer (even in his present mindless state). Right. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/539b0616.6070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]HTML Editor
Coffeecup's Visual Site Designer is wysiwyg: http://www.coffeecup.com/designer/ Coffeecup has many other tools that can be coupled with it. Regards, LelandJ On 06/06/2014 12:31 PM, Michael Oke wrote: Take a look at CoffeeCup Software. They have a free version of their editor and while not true wysiwyg, it works very well and allows you to preview what you are working on. Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Jeff Johnson j...@san-dc.com wrote: That's what I figured! I've been using UltraEdit for years and really like it. Especially for investigating low level hex etc. So I will go back to it. I just started editing Web Connect pages and they were rather daunting to me initially as an HTML novice. But fixing the pages after messing them up with Kompozer has made me better, quickly. ;^) On 6/5/2014 11:46 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Better choose a text and f5 in your browser ... I know no web dev using wysiwyg editor Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud Le 5 juin 2014 à 20:44, Jeff Johnson j...@san-dc.com a écrit : It's kind of fox because I am working with web connection html form pages. I used Kompozer and it blew away my original source. Mainly it added width: styles and converted all to lt; and same with . It also wrapped some %= variable % so the browser could not find variable. Is there a free (or reasonable) HTML WYSIWYG editor that prevents this formatting? It works great for straight HTML pages but when you are adding text merge like web connection does, it is not so good. Counter-productive. TIA -- Jeff Jeff Johnson j...@san-dc.com SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 http://www.san-dc.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53923f2a.5060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The New Microsoft is embracing open source
Notable Quotes: # Is Windows Antique? SILICON VALLEY -- The first ever antique mall devoted to computers has opened its doors deep in the heart of Silicon Valley. Named Stacks of Antiqueues, the new mall features obsolete hardware, old software, and other curiosities that only a nerd would want to buy. The mall also features a whole collection of Microsoft software, which, as can be expected, has the Redmond giant up in arms. The mall, founded by a group of Linux, FreeBSD, and BeOS users, has a whole section devoted to Microsoft antiques. Offerings range from a rare (and expensive) copy of Windows 1.0 all the way up to Windows 98. All versions of DOS from 1.0 up are available, in addition to such Microsoft products as Bob, Profit, and Multiplan. Bob Hinesdorf, one of the mall's founders, defends the decision to include Microsoft products in its selection of antique computer stuff. Windows 98 is surely antique; it's based on 16 bit Windows 3.x code, which was based on 16 bit DOS code, which was based loosely on 8 bit CP/M. #-- Open Source Beer Revolution Yesterday, Red Hat introduced an 'open source' beer called Red Brew. The recipes for making the beer are available for free over the Net, and microbrewery kits are available at low cost from Red Hat. Says a Red Hat spokesman, With the proliferation of free (open source) software, it was only a matter of time before open source beer became reality. After all, the only thing hackers like more than free software is free beer! Following the Red Hat annoucement, other companies are racing to launch their own beer 'distribution'. Caldera is developing an OpenBrew beer. Meanwhile, Patrick Volkerding is working on a SlackBeer distribution, and DebianBrew is expected soon. Traditional breweries and beer distributors are not thrilled about open source beer. This is ludicrous! People want beer that comes from time-tested, secret recipes -- not beer from recipes invented overnight! Open source is a fad, a spokesman for Buddwizzer Beer, Inc. said. In addition, other beverage distributors are nervous. First open source beer, and soon open source soft drinks! Before we know it, we'll have RedCoke and SlackPepsi! This open source plague must be stopped before it eats into our bottom line! Don't quote me on that last sentence, the CEO of Croak-a-Cola said. #- Anyway, there's plenty of room for doubt. It might seem easy enough, but computer language design is just like a stroll in the park. Jurassic Park, that is. -- Larry Wall in 1994jun15.074039.2...@netlabs.com # He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument. -- William Shakespeare, Love's Labour's Lost #--- I'll say it again for the logic impaired. -- Larry Wall Larry must be talking about Microsoft's extend, enhance, extinguish MO LOL #-- ...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly). (By Matt Welsh) #-- Regards, LelandJ On 05/13/2014 03:09 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: oops...forgot the [NF] On 2014-05-13 16:09, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: Per Beth Massi's blog post entitled Exciting Times for .NET: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/bethmassi/archive/2014/04/10/exciting-times-for-net.aspx There was a lot of love given to us .NET developers, and at the same time cross-platform development permeated the hallways. 'This highlights the change of attitude across all our teams to really embrace open source and cross-platform development in the “New Microsoft”. ' You asked for it, you got it. .NET Native, Open, and Cross-platform. Alright Ed, Ted, Whil, Alan, Dave, Stephen, Greg Gum, Chad Bourque, et al. Time to come back to Microsoft. They're listening now. :-) [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5373105a.4060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The New Microsoft is embracing open source
On 05/14/2014 01:42 AM, Leland F Jackson wrote: #--- I'll say it again for the logic impaired. -- Larry Wall Larry must be talking about Microsoft's extend, enhance, extinguish MO LOL #-- I'll say it again for the logic impaired. -- Larry Wall Whoops, I should have said: Larry must be talking about Microsoft's embrace, extent, extinguish MO. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5373cb02.2070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Linux Mint laptop display zoom stuck on
Perhaps the below link will help. Better late than never. LOL http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=208t=151392 Regards, LelandJ On 04/24/2014 03:05 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2014-04-24 15:42, Dave Thayer wrote: Try CTL-ALT-Keypad + or CTL-ALT-Keypad -. The X server lets you cycle through various screen resolutions on the fly, and then you can pan around the normal desktop outside of the screen boundaries. Sometimes full-screen programs such as games will leave the screen in a lower resolution state. dt No action on that. It's Cinnamon. The resolution is set to the highest. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/535a7625.2040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Looking for DU-like Linux utility that returns the timestamp of the newest file in a recursive folder path
take a look at the Linux find command, (eg man find). http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/unix/findcmd.htm Regards, LelandJ http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/unix/findcmd.htm On 04/09/2014 03:15 PM, Man-wai Chang wrote: Google linux find most recent file! On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Malcolm Greene pro...@bdurham.com wrote: Anyone know of a DU-like Linux utility that returns the timestamp (create or modify) of the newest file in a recursive folder path? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5345b806.7080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] building a 28TB NAS
On 04/08/2014 01:25 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Anyone else build anything like a 28TB (or thereabouts) NAS box using Linux? (Raid or no Raid) Just curious if the 28TB size presents any unusual problems. You will want a version of Linux that supports the GPT file system. I think ext2 and ext3 file systems only support up to 2.2TB. GTP file system support comes standard on Fedora 19, as well as most other recently released OS(s). http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-gpt/ Regards, LelandJ I have a video security system supplier asking $10,000 (claims it is his cost) for what I think I can build for $2,500 using Linux and 8 x 4TB drives in a NAS box. Open to warnings, reproach, and encouragement... Mike Copeland [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53444c57.2060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] building a 28TB NAS
On 04/08/2014 02:34 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Leland F Jackson, CPA wrote: Anyone else build anything like a 28TB (or thereabouts) NAS box using Linux? (Raid or no Raid) Just curious if the 28TB size presents any unusual problems. You will want a version of Linux that supports the GPT file system. I think ext2 and ext3 file systems only support up to 2.2TB. GTP file system support comes standard on Fedora 19, as well as most other recently released OS(s). http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-gpt/ Regards, LelandJ Thanks Leland, I was just reading up on Linux FSs...the ext4 seems to handle over 100TB without problems, although I'm still looking to see if that is theoretical, or practical. I did see that ext4 has a 16TB limit with 4k blocks, not sure if that would be an issue with streaming video files. Most of the HOW-TOs I'm finding are focusing on 4TB or smaller NAS boxes. Heck, I built one of those 6 years ago using RAID 5 and it's still chugging! I've also seen reference to the Btrfs file system. It seems to be a successor to the ReiserFS, which was impressive the last time I looked into it. Not familiar with GPT, but will look into it. Thanks! Mike Copeland The traditional MBR partitioning does not support volumes larger than 2.2TB. Using GPT, you can create a partition that uses the entire 4TB. Once the partition is created, you will need to put the GPT file system on it. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/534467a0.1080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] building a 28TB NAS
On 04/08/2014 03:09 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Leland F Jackson, CPA wrote: You will want a version of Linux that supports the GPT file system. I think ext2 and ext3 file systems only support up to 2.2TB. GTP file system support comes standard on Fedora 19, as well as most other recently released OS(s). http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-gpt/ Regards, LelandJ Ah yes! The old master boot record limitation! If I'm not mistaken, using a mainboard with EFI instead of the legacy BIOS approach is going to incorporate the new GPT (GUID Partition Table). No? I've been using mainboards with EFI (instead of legacy BIOS) for all my server builds for a year or so. It's amazing how, if you've been in this biz long enough, what's old comes around again! I remember editing BIOS settings in the 80's to allow for a hard disk that exceeded 32MB (or something of that size-range). And I don't even want to remember trying to fit drivers into the Upper memory range of computers where DOS could access them to manage more memory. Oye. Mike I recently replaced my wife's computer with a ASUS M5A97 R2.0 AM3+ AMD 970 + SB950 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEDEPA=0Order=BESTMATCHDescription=m5a97+r2.0N=-1isNodeId=1 I used GUID Partition Table, (eg GPT) to setup all disk drives. The UEFI BIOS allows for booting any partition right from the BIOS, which is a nice feature. I also use GPT on my traditional desktop computer and that also works just fine, but without the flexibility of booting any partition from the BIOS. GUID Partition Table disks contain a protective MBR that is used for legacy programs that do not understand the GUID Partition Table disk structure. Intel developed GPT back in the 1990s, and today about all the major computer technology players have signed on and support it. It's been successful enough, that I'm sure Microsoft will soon take credit for it all. LOL http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302873 Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5344704b.5080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
On 03/12/2014 08:17 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: Thinking outside the box here: 1) Install a VM in the Mac user(s) computer and run a window guest OS in the VM, Then the Mac users could access the CentOS samba share just like all the other windows users. That possibility was discussed. Not sure if the machine in question has the guts to work well under that load, but we might try it. 2) Have the Mac OS X user(s) access the shares using NFS. OS X is a variant of the UNIX OS. Most NIX like OS(s) share files over NFS. Both samba clients, (eg Windows), and NFS clients, (eg OS X, Linus, and UNIX) can access the share simultaneously with no problem. Do a search on setting up a CentOS NFS server and setting up a Mac OS X NFS client. NFS must be running on both the client and the server. This needs to be the same share on the same file server that everybody in the domain accesses. That doesn't sound like what I need. Yes. It would be the same directory whether it's being accessed locally as a native ext3 or ext4 directory, being shared with remote window clients using samba, or being share remotely with other OS(s) via NFS clients. All of these services and protocols could be servicing the same directory on the CentOS computer simultaneously. 3 Move the info to a CentOS Apache Web Server. Have the info in a web directory protected by a .htaccess password. Then just about anyone could access the info with the .htaccess password, regardless of their computer or OS type. People don't like having to enter passwords all the time. Another reason for using a domain. People especially need to enter a valid username and password when they are members of a Domain. The PDC and BDC(s) check for proper authentication on the CentOS samba share; because, your CentOS samba share is a member of the Domain, ( security = domain ). I believe, however, that your users don't need to enter a valid username and password; because, you have marked the share named Public as [ public = yes ]. I would expect that you wouldn't even need to enter a new Linux username and password for each user accessing the public share. This avoids the problem of maintaining hundreds of usernames and password, but it does not go without sacrifices in other areas. The below link might help: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch09.html Is it possible for a Mac to access a Windows RDP server? I have one of those set up. I could give the user access to that, from which he can get to the /Public share on SPOCK. Yes, this appears to be another option you could explore: https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/8431/microsoft-remote-desktop Regards, LelandJ Thank you very much for sticking with this. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/532075d4.6010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
On 03/12/2014 10:26 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: People don't like having to enter passwords all the time. Another reason for using a domain. People especially need to enter a valid username and password when they are members of a Domain. The PDC and BDC(s) check for proper authentication on the CentOS samba share; because, your CentOS samba share is a member of the Domain, ( security = domain ). I believe, however, that your users don't need to enter a valid username and password; because, you have marked the share named Public as [ public = yes ]. I would expect that you wouldn't even need to enter a new Linux username and password for each user accessing the public share. This avoids the problem of maintaining hundreds of usernames and password, but it does not go without sacrifices in other areas. Domain members get authenticated when they log into their Windows boxes. Thereafter they don't have to re-enter credentials when accessing shares. Since Guest is disabled for /Public on SPOCK, the only people who can log into it are people who have valid domain user credentials. I have just one case of a Mac user who doesn't log into the domain when the computer boots; that's the one case I have to address. Right. Regards, LelandJ Thanks very much. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/532087c2.5020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
Could you post a copy of your /etc/samba/smb.conf file, or post the full output of [ testparm -v ], without the brackets, from the command line? The -v option list everything including defaults. Try to connect your Mac user to samba using smbclient. I'm running samba locally and can connect to samba from 192.168.1.109 using the following command: smbclient -L 192.168.1.78 --user=leland After typing the above into a command line, I'm prompted for a password, and able to connect after entering it. The password must be enter into the samba server using the Make sure you have samba install on the Mac. Make sure the Mac samba user has been properly added with samba password. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/adding-a-user-to-a-samba-smb-share/ Make sure the samba ports 137, 138, and 139 and not blocked by any firewalls. Regards, LelandJ On 03/11/2014 10:11 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: A gray share means that the user is already connected, most likely with his default account. Thanks Christof. Default account? I am not familiar with Macs, but the user is not logging into his local machine with the domain user account I am referring to. He has his own local account for the Mac. I don't see how the Mac would automatically know his domain user account credentials in order to connect to a network share. However, he is clearly not connected to the share I want him to access. The user can see all machines on the network. The user can see all the share folders on the CentOS file server. Sometimes the Mac indicates the user is connected to the file server as Guest, and sometimes it does not. Clearly there are bugs in this interface. However, whether or not a successful connection is indicated, the user has no access to the contents of the share I want him to have. Being allegedly connected as Guest no longer confers access since changes were made to the file server to disallow guest access. From the Network list, the Mac user can click on the share folder on the server and press Connect As... and get a dialog to present his credentials today (yesterday this wouldn't work). He can then enter the domain user credentials to log into the share, but the Mac won't accept them. The dialog box shakes back and forth and nothing happens. As I mentioned, I know these credentials are correct because they work for the internal email being served by the SAMBA 3 domain controller. It has been suggested that these problems may be due to bugs in SMB2. If you have any further thoughts I would be most appreciative. Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/531f5dbd.1000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
Could you post a copy of your /etc/samba/smb.conf file, or post the full output of [ testparm -v ], without the brackets, from the command line? The -v option lists everything including defaults. Try to connect your Mac user to samba using smbclient. I'm running samba locally and can connect to samba from 192.168.1.109 using the following command: $ smbclient -L 192.168.1.78 --user=leland After typing the above into a command line, I'm prompted for a password. After entering the password, I can connect. Make sure you have all necessary samba programs install on the Mac. Make sure the Mac user has been properly added to the your Linux samba server, and his samba password setup. The following link explains how: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/adding-a-user-to-a-samba-smb-share/ Make sure the samba ports 137, 138, and 139 are not blocked by any firewalls. Make sure your smb.conf file give read/write permissions to the share, (eg read only = no). The following link may also help: https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/problems.html Regards, LelandJ On 03/11/2014 02:02 PM, Leland F Jackson wrote: Could you post a copy of your /etc/samba/smb.conf file, or post the full output of [ testparm -v ], without the brackets, from the command line? The -v option list everything including defaults. Try to connect your Mac user to samba using smbclient. I'm running samba locally and can connect to samba from 192.168.1.109 using the following command: smbclient -L 192.168.1.78 --user=leland After typing the above into a command line, I'm prompted for a password, and able to connect after entering it. The password must be enter into the samba server using the Make sure you have samba install on the Mac. Make sure the Mac samba user has been properly added with samba password. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/adding-a-user-to-a-samba-smb-share/ Make sure the samba ports 137, 138, and 139 and not blocked by any firewalls. Regards, LelandJ On 03/11/2014 10:11 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: A gray share means that the user is already connected, most likely with his default account. Thanks Christof. Default account? I am not familiar with Macs, but the user is not logging into his local machine with the domain user account I am referring to. He has his own local account for the Mac. I don't see how the Mac would automatically know his domain user account credentials in order to connect to a network share. However, he is clearly not connected to the share I want him to access. The user can see all machines on the network. The user can see all the share folders on the CentOS file server. Sometimes the Mac indicates the user is connected to the file server as Guest, and sometimes it does not. Clearly there are bugs in this interface. However, whether or not a successful connection is indicated, the user has no access to the contents of the share I want him to have. Being allegedly connected as Guest no longer confers access since changes were made to the file server to disallow guest access. From the Network list, the Mac user can click on the share folder on the server and press Connect As... and get a dialog to present his credentials today (yesterday this wouldn't work). He can then enter the domain user credentials to log into the share, but the Mac won't accept them. The dialog box shakes back and forth and nothing happens. As I mentioned, I know these credentials are correct because they work for the internal email being served by the SAMBA 3 domain controller. It has been suggested that these problems may be due to bugs in SMB2. If you have any further thoughts I would be most appreciative. Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/531f61c0.6050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
On 03/11/2014 03:36 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Below is the smb.conf file ON THE *FILE* SERVER. Public is the share that the Mac user cannot connect to. You will see that security is deferred to the domain. You will also see that, unlike most shares on the SPOCK file server, there is no specified list of allowed users for the Public share. This is because there are nearly 100 domain users who access that share, and right now I don't need to (and do NOT want to) have to add/remove them individually for that share. Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [global] load printers = yes cups options = raw netbios name = Spock server string = STIC File Server default = data workgroup = STIC os level = 20 winbind trusted domains only = yes security = domain I have my smb.conf set to security = user. I then add users, passwords, and smb.conf entries to grant users permission to access needed shares. Your |smb.conf|parameter, Security = domain, does not really make samba behave as a domain controller. This setting means we want samba to be a domain member. Your system is probably running a windows primary domain server, with a domain name of Spock, of which your CentOS samba server is a member. Your problem might be that a Mac cannot join a windows Domain. Have you tried any of the samba forums? # --- Network Related Options - # # workgroup = NT-Domain-Name or Workgroup-Name, eg: MIDEARTH # # server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field # # netbios name can be used to specify a server name not tied to the hostname # # Interfaces lets you configure Samba to use multiple interfaces # If you have multiple network interfaces then you can list the ones # you want to listen on (never omit localhost) # # Hosts Allow/Hosts Deny lets you restrict who can connect, and you can # specifiy it as a per share option as well # ; netbios name = MYSERVER ; interfaces = lo eth0 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24 ; hosts allow = 127. 192.168.12. 192.168.13. # --- Logging Options - # # Log File let you specify where to put logs and how to split them up. # # Max Log Size let you specify the max size log files should reach # logs split per machine ; log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log # max 50KB per log file, then rotate ; max log size = 50 # --- Standalone Server Options # # Security can be set to user, share(deprecated) or server(deprecated) # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # --- Domain Members Options # # Security must be set to domain or ads # # Use the realm option only with security = ads # Specifies the Active Directory realm the host is part of # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # # Use password server option only with security = server or if you can't # use the DNS to locate Domain Controllers # The argument list may include: # password server = My_PDC_Name [My_BDC_Name] [My_Next_BDC_Name] # or to auto-locate the domain controller/s # password server = * ; security = domain ; passdb backend = tdbsam ; realm = MY_REALM ; password server = NT-Server-Name # --- Domain Controller Options # # Security must be set to user for domain controllers # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # # Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. This # allows Samba to collate browse lists between subnets. Don't use this # if you already have a Windows NT domain controller doing this job # # Domain Logons let Samba be a domain logon server for Windows workstations. # # Logon Scrpit let yuou specify a script to be run at login time on the client # You need to provide it in a share called NETLOGON # # Logon Path let you specify where user profiles are stored (UNC path) # # Various scripts can be used on a domain controller or stand-alone # machine to add or delete corresponding unix accounts # ; security = user ; passdb backend = tdbsam ; domain master = yes ; domain logons = yes # the login script name depends on the machine name ; logon script = %m.bat # the login script name depends on the unix user used ; logon script = %u.bat ; logon path = \\%L\Profiles\%u # disables
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
On 03/11/2014 05:31 PM, Leland F Jackson wrote: On 03/11/2014 03:36 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Below is the smb.conf file ON THE *FILE* SERVER. Public is the share that the Mac user cannot connect to. You will see that security is deferred to the domain. You will also see that, unlike most shares on the SPOCK file server, there is no specified list of allowed users for the Public share. This is because there are nearly 100 domain users who access that share, and right now I don't need to (and do NOT want to) have to add/remove them individually for that share. Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [global] load printers = yes cups options = raw netbios name = Spock server string = STIC File Server default = data workgroup = STIC os level = 20 winbind trusted domains only = yes security = domain I have my smb.conf set to security = user. I then add users, passwords, and smb.conf entries to grant users permission to access needed shares. Your |smb.conf|parameter, Security = domain, does not really make samba behave as a domain controller. This setting means we want samba to be a domain member. Your system is probably running a windows primary domain server, with a domain name of Spock, of which your CentOS samba server is a member. Your problem might be that a Mac cannot join a windows Domain. Have you tried any of the samba forums? You might check to see if there is a Mac utility, that can be run from the command line, to help debut a connection to a Linux samba server. Such a tool might return a hint of the problem. Regards, LelandJ # --- Network Related Options - # # workgroup = NT-Domain-Name or Workgroup-Name, eg: MIDEARTH # # server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field # # netbios name can be used to specify a server name not tied to the hostname # # Interfaces lets you configure Samba to use multiple interfaces # If you have multiple network interfaces then you can list the ones # you want to listen on (never omit localhost) # # Hosts Allow/Hosts Deny lets you restrict who can connect, and you can # specifiy it as a per share option as well # ; netbios name = MYSERVER ; interfaces = lo eth0 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24 ; hosts allow = 127. 192.168.12. 192.168.13. # --- Logging Options - # # Log File let you specify where to put logs and how to split them up. # # Max Log Size let you specify the max size log files should reach # logs split per machine ; log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log # max 50KB per log file, then rotate ; max log size = 50 # --- Standalone Server Options # # Security can be set to user, share(deprecated) or server(deprecated) # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # --- Domain Members Options # # Security must be set to domain or ads # # Use the realm option only with security = ads # Specifies the Active Directory realm the host is part of # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # # Use password server option only with security = server or if you can't # use the DNS to locate Domain Controllers # The argument list may include: # password server = My_PDC_Name [My_BDC_Name] [My_Next_BDC_Name] # or to auto-locate the domain controller/s # password server = * ; security = domain ; passdb backend = tdbsam ; realm = MY_REALM ; password server = NT-Server-Name # --- Domain Controller Options # # Security must be set to user for domain controllers # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # # Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. This # allows Samba to collate browse lists between subnets. Don't use this # if you already have a Windows NT domain controller doing this job # # Domain Logons let Samba be a domain logon server for Windows workstations. # # Logon Scrpit let yuou specify a script to be run at login time on the client # You need to provide it in a share called NETLOGON # # Logon Path let you specify where user profiles are stored (UNC path) # # Various scripts can be used on a domain controller or stand-alone # machine to add or delete corresponding unix accounts # ; security = user ; passdb backend = tdbsam ; domain master = yes
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
On 03/11/2014 05:45 PM, Leland F Jackson wrote: On 03/11/2014 05:31 PM, Leland F Jackson wrote: On 03/11/2014 03:36 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Below is the smb.conf file ON THE *FILE* SERVER. Public is the share that the Mac user cannot connect to. You will see that security is deferred to the domain. You will also see that, unlike most shares on the SPOCK file server, there is no specified list of allowed users for the Public share. This is because there are nearly 100 domain users who access that share, and right now I don't need to (and do NOT want to) have to add/remove them individually for that share. Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [global] load printers = yes cups options = raw netbios name = Spock server string = STIC File Server default = data workgroup = STIC os level = 20 winbind trusted domains only = yes security = domain I have my smb.conf set to security = user. I then add users, passwords, and smb.conf entries to grant users permission to access needed shares. Your |smb.conf|parameter, Security = domain, does not really make samba behave as a domain controller. This setting means we want samba to be a domain member. Your system is probably running a windows primary domain server, with a domain name of Spock, of which your CentOS samba server is a member. Your problem might be that a Mac cannot join a windows Domain. Have you tried any of the samba forums? Whoops, I should have said Your system is probably running a windows primary domain server within the STIC domain of which Spock, (eg your Linux samba server), is a member. You might check to see if there is a Mac utility, that can be run from the command line, to help debut a connection to a Linux samba server. Such a tool might return a hint of the problem. Regards, LelandJ # --- Network Related Options - # # workgroup = NT-Domain-Name or Workgroup-Name, eg: MIDEARTH # # server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field # # netbios name can be used to specify a server name not tied to the hostname # # Interfaces lets you configure Samba to use multiple interfaces # If you have multiple network interfaces then you can list the ones # you want to listen on (never omit localhost) # # Hosts Allow/Hosts Deny lets you restrict who can connect, and you can # specifiy it as a per share option as well # ; netbios name = MYSERVER ; interfaces = lo eth0 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24 ; hosts allow = 127. 192.168.12. 192.168.13. # --- Logging Options - # # Log File let you specify where to put logs and how to split them up. # # Max Log Size let you specify the max size log files should reach # logs split per machine ; log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log # max 50KB per log file, then rotate ; max log size = 50 # --- Standalone Server Options # # Security can be set to user, share(deprecated) or server(deprecated) # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # --- Domain Members Options # # Security must be set to domain or ads # # Use the realm option only with security = ads # Specifies the Active Directory realm the host is part of # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # # Use password server option only with security = server or if you can't # use the DNS to locate Domain Controllers # The argument list may include: # password server = My_PDC_Name [My_BDC_Name] [My_Next_BDC_Name] # or to auto-locate the domain controller/s # password server = * ; security = domain ; passdb backend = tdbsam ; realm = MY_REALM ; password server = NT-Server-Name # --- Domain Controller Options # # Security must be set to user for domain controllers # # Backend to store user information in. New installations should # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration. # # Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. This # allows Samba to collate browse lists between subnets. Don't use this # if you already have a Windows NT domain controller doing this job # # Domain Logons let Samba be a domain logon server for Windows workstations. # # Logon Scrpit let yuou specify a script to be run at login time on the client # You need to provide it in a share called NETLOGON # # Logon Path let you specify where user profiles are
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
This probably appliles to kens setup: #-- Domain Security Mode (User-Level Security) Domain security provides a mechanism for storing all user and group accounts in a central, shared, account repository. The centralized account repository is shared between domain (security) controllers. Servers that act as domain controllers provide authentication and validation services to all machines that participate in the security context for the domain. A primary domain controller (PDC) is a server that is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the security account database. Backup domain controllers (BDCs) provide only domain logon and authentication services. Usually, BDCs will answer network logon requests more responsively than will a PDC. When Samba is operating in security = domain mode, the Samba server has a domain security trust account (a machine account) and causes all authentication requests to be passed through to the domain controllers. In other words, this configuration makes the Samba server a domain member server, even when it is in fact acting as a domain controller. All machines that participate in domain security must have a machine account in the security database. Within the domain security environment, the underlying security architecture uses user-level security. Even machines that are domain members must authenticate on startup. The machine account consists of an account entry in the accounts database, the name of which is the NetBIOS name of the machine and of which the password is randomly generated and known to both the domain controllers and the member machine. If the machine account cannot be validated during startup, users will not be able to log on to the domain using this machine because it cannot be trusted. The machine account is referred to as a machine trust account. There are three possible domain member configurations: Primary domain controller (PDC) - of which there is one per domain. Backup domain controller (BDC) - of which there can be any number per domain. Domain member server (DMS) - of which there can be any number per domain. We will discuss each of these in separate chapters. For now, we are most interested in basic DMS configuration. Example Configuration Samba as a Domain Member Server This method involves addition of the following parameters in the smb.conf file: security = domain workgroup = MIDEARTH In order for this method to work, the Samba server needs to join the MS Windows NT security domain. This is done as follows: On the MS Windows NT domain controller, using the Server Manager, add a machine account for the Samba server. On the UNIX/Linux system execute: root# net rpc join -U administrator%password Note Samba-2.2.4 and later Samba 2.2.x series releases can autojoin a Windows NT4-style domain just by executing: root# smbpasswd -j DOMAIN_NAME -r PDC_NAME \ -U Administrator%password Samba-3 can do the same by executing: root# net rpc join -U Administrator%password It is not necessary with Samba-3 to specify the DOMAIN_NAME or the PDC_NAME, as it figures this out from the smb.conf file settings. Use of this mode of authentication requires there to be a standard UNIX account for each user in order to assign a UID once the account has been authenticated by the Windows domain controller. This account can be blocked to prevent logons by clients other than MS Windows through means such as setting an invalid shell in the /etc/passwd entry. The best way to allocate an invalid shell to a user account is to set the shell to the file /bin/false. Domain controllers can be located anywhere that is convenient. The best advice is to have a BDC on every physical network segment, and if the PDC is on a remote network segment the use of WINS (see Network Browsing for more information) is almost essential. An alternative to assigning UIDs to Windows users on a Samba member server is presented in Winbind, Winbind: Use of Domain Accounts. https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ServerType.html #--- Regards, LelandJ On 03/11/2014 03:30 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: I assume Windows Server doesn't have Windows NT Services for Macintosh anymore? It's not a Windows server. It's a SAMBA 3 domain, which emulates (to some extent) a Windows NT domain. Thanks. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/531fa5d2.4090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
On 03/11/2014 07:13 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Below is the smb.conf file ON THE *FILE* SERVER. Public is the share that the Mac user cannot connect to. You will see that security is deferred to the domain. You will also see that, unlike most shares on the SPOCK file server, there is no specified list of allowed users for the Public share. This is because there are nearly 100 domain users who access that share, and right now I don't need to (and do NOT want to) have to add/remove them individually for that share. [global] load printers = yes cups options = raw netbios name = Spock server string = STIC File Server default = data workgroup = STIC os level = 20 winbind trusted domains only = yes security = domain I have my smb.conf set to security = user. I then add users, passwords, and smb.conf entries to grant users permission to access needed shares. Your |smb.conf|parameter, Security = domain, does not really make samba behave as a domain controller. This setting means we want samba to be a domain member. Your system is probably running a windows primary domain server, with a domain name of Spock, of which your CentOS samba server is a member. Your problem might be that a Mac cannot join a windows Domain. Have you tried any of the samba forums? Whoops, I should have said Your system is probably running a windows primary domain server within the STIC domain of which Spock, (eg your Linux samba server), is a member. You might check to see if there is a Mac utility, that can be run from the command line, to help debut a connection to a Linux samba server. Such a tool might return a hint of the problem. I am using a SAMBA 3 domain. There is NO WINDOWS domain server. The name of the domain controller is KIRK. That machine is running ClearOS, which is a version of CentOS that is designed to function as an old-style, NT-compliant domain controller. SAMBA 3 emulates the domain controller function. (SAMBA 4 can emulate a Windows Active Directory domain.) NO Windows is required, or in use. SPOCK is NOT the domain controller. SPOCK is just a file server on the domain. As I understand it, the parameter security = domain causes the server SPOCK to refer credentialling issues to the domain controller KIRK. I do not expect it to make SPOCK into a domain controller. I WANT to have the domain control security for the Public share on SPOCK because I have nearly 100 (ONE HUNDRED!!!) domain users, whose credentials I do NOT want to have to set up manually for this share. Using a domain to control access to the Public share gets me out of having to do that. OK. You have [ security = Domain ], which requires all samba logins to be coordinated with the Windows Primary Domain Controller, and then you override that by setting the share to public, which implies everyone can access the share regardless of username and password, thus avoiding coordination with the Windows Primary Domain Controller. What would happen if you went to [ security = user ] and had the share set to public? That might result in nobody being able to access the share, so I'd research that suggestion very carefully before taking any action. LOL It was just a thought. Also, you might explore how using the guest user might eliminate the problem of needing to add and maintain hundreds of users. That might be equivalent to making the share public, which also avoid having each user enter a name and password. Still, these changes may not solve the problem you're having with giving the Mac user access. We still haven't nailed down the cause of the current effects your experiencing with the Mac authentication, but it might point us in the direction of the problem. Also, if the CentOS samba server can be detached form the windows domain, we could set [ Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE ], which might give us more flexibility. Regards, LelandJ Maybe this is just impossible. I knew I should have made the guy accept a Windows machine instead of insisting on bringing in his Mac. :) Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/531fb052.3060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
On 03/11/2014 08:12 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: OK. You have [ security = Domain ], which requires all samba logins to be coordinated with the Windows Primary Domain Controller, and then you override that by setting the share to public, which implies everyone can access the share regardless of username and password, thus avoiding coordination with the Windows Primary Domain Controller. What would happen if you went to [ security = user ] and had the share set to public? That might result in nobody being able to access the share, so I'd research that suggestion very carefully before taking any action. LOL It was just a thought. Also, you might explore how using the guest user might eliminate the problem of needing to add and maintain hundreds of users. That might be equivalent to making the share public, which also avoid having each user enter a name and password. Hm. Well Guest used to be enabled. That let the Mac user access the /Public share. (The actual name of the share is Public; not wanting to have any confusion between the share name and its access designation.) Problem with Guest being enabled is, ANYBODY could then come in and connect to the share and access its contents, including any casual Mac (and who knows what other device) user who comes within WiFi range of the network. Not acceptable. Again, I need to have all domain users access the share without me having to manually add in all of the domain user names, and then constantly have to remove them when people leave, and add new ones when new people are hired. It's like a database. Remember databases? It's a listserv about databases A major normalization principle of databases is, one piece of information gets stored in one place one time only. That's what domain security does. It lets me store the user credentials in one place, one time only, and then as many machines as I add to the network, they all can refer back to that one place to authenticate users. That's what I need this thing to do for me. Having to re-enter the same stuff into a bunch of different servers and/or shares to enable the same user to access more than one resource completely defeats the purpose of a domain. Is there not some level of access for a share that equates to Any and all domain users, AND/OR somebody who submits valid credentials manually, BUT nobody else? Thinking outside the box here: 1) Install a VM in the Mac user(s) computer and run a window guest OS in the VM, Then the Mac users could access the CentOS samba share just like all the other windows users. 2) Have the Mac OS X user(s) access the shares using NFS. OS X is a variant of the UNIX OS. Most NIX like OS(s) share files over NFS. Both samba clients, (eg Windows), and NFS clients, (eg OS X, Linus, and UNIX) can access the share simultaneously with no problem. Do a search on setting up a CentOS NFS server and setting up a Mac OS X NFS client. NFS must be running on both the client and the server. 3 Move the info to a CentOS Apache Web Server. Have the info in a web directory protected by a .htaccess password. Then just about anyone could access the info with the .htaccess password, regardless of their computer or OS type. Regards, LelandJ Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/531fcead.4050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Can a Mac Join a SAMBA NT Domain or Access a Windows RDP Server?
Perhaps this will help: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/how-do-i-connect-a-mac-os-x-machine-to-a-samba-share/ Regards, LelandJ On 03/10/2014 03:51 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1568 Thanks, Alan. However, none of that is helpful. To reiterate: The Mac user is connected to my network locally, and is trying to connect to a share on a Linux file server whose security is managed through a SAMBA-emulated NT domain (SAMBA 3.x). I don't think ports on the router come into play here. The user has been given a valid login name and password for the domain. The user can use these credentials to connect to a local internal email server running on the domain controller. Since the domain uses the exact same credentials for all forms of access, these credentials should work to connect to the share if the user is given the opportunity to input them. However, he is no longer getting an opportunity to do so. In the Network dialog, the user can see all of the machines on the network, but the Connect as... button does not function. Clicking it does nothing. Using the Finder's Connect to Server... option, the user can enter: cifs://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to get a list of shares on the file server, but the share I want him to have access to is greyed out (disabled) and cannot be clicked. Other shares on the server are not grey, but also (as expected and desired) cannot be connected to, since those are set up with limited access to specific users. Also, this dialog does not provide any way to present credentials for the connection. Can you suggest anything else? Thanks very much. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/531e5b77.3010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] SQL 2 Dia
Perhaps this will help: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Dia/Links You might also take a look at DbVisualizer. It run across windows, Mac, Linux and Unix. Last time I looked it had both a free and commercial version. http://www.dbvis.com/ Regards, LelandJ On 02/12/2014 08:15 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: Hello, I'm wanting to do some work with getting a SQL Schema into Dia to get some ERD/UML type work done. My client won't pay for the commercial tools. There are several tools in the Open Sourced arena, but they are pretty much designed to work with MySQL and I'm interested in PostgreSQL. I'm having trouble getting them running with my versions of Python or Perl. What I can't seem to find is an example of the XML uncompressed output that Dia can import. I'd love to look at it and see what I would need to produce to get it to import into Dia. ** Could someone run one of the scripts for me and post back (somewhere) the uncompressed XML output that works with Dia? A table or two in the XML output would be fine as examples. Here are some example projects: = Windows program but I keep getting Problem reading sql create script file SQL2Diagram: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sql2diagram/?source=recommended =Python script for turning MySQL SQL into Dia XML but there's some python error in the script: https://shiftlock.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/make-database-diagrams-in-dia-automatically/ = Perl script for MySQL to Dia but I'm having troubles with it and the DBI.pm: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sql2dia/ = phpMyAdmin is supposed to have an export that will work with Dia but I can't find it and the normal XML output isn't what Dia is looking for. Thanks for any help. -Kevin [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52fb93a2.5090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Remote Desktop Connection Host Windows 8.1 Pro
On 02/12/2014 03:16 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I am at my wits end - again! I have spent hours and hours trying to set up Windows 8.1 as a host for RDT. I am trying to connect to it with RDT running on Windows 7. I can use the W7 machine to connect to other RDT connections no problem, but I can't connect to the W8 machine which is on the same network. I have a static IP set and it is outside of the DHCP range. By all rights it should be working but it is not. I can ping it. It says the computer is not connected. I can RDT from the W8 machine into the W7 machine no problem. Am I missing something? Perhaps this will help: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-SP1-Users-Can-Now-Remotely-Connect-to-Windows-8-1-400691.shtml Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52fbe6ce.70...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Time to upgrade... Is TP-Link for real?
The ASUS (RT-AC68) Wireless-AC1900 Dual-Band Gigabit Router looks interesting. It falls somewhere between the SOHO router, offered at your local retail stores, and a business enterprise router. It provides speed approaching wired gigabyte Ethernet connections. Its always good to have some wired Ethernet ports; because, a high quality gigabyte cable is highly shielded and not likely to have problems with its signal being scrambled, as the wireless connection might. The router provides firewall. ssl encryption, VPN and a lot more. It has a 3.0/2.0 USB port. Just connect an external USB 3.0 disk drive to it, and you have a NAT share. You will pay a little more for this kind of router, but you get better quality components, more features, and higher processing power. http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC68-Wireless-AC1900-Dual-Band-Gigabit-Router/dp/B00FB45SI4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1389020194sr=8-1keywords=asus+rt+ac68u http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8564786CatId=373http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8564786CatId=373 http://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RTAC68U/ Regards, LelandJ On 01/05/2014 06:18 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: My cable company tells me they're delivering faster than my old Linksys can broadcast recommends an upgrade (there are 6 - 7 devices on the wi-fi at any given time). The TP-Link stuff looks great: capabilities and price. Any comments? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52cad069.7080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Time to upgrade... Is TP-Link for real?
The below link might also be helpful: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-3132_7-57616378-98/top-5-home-routers-of-2013-its-a-win-for-802.11ac/ Regards, LelandJ On 01/06/2014 09:48 AM, Leland F Jackson wrote: The ASUS (RT-AC68) Wireless-AC1900 Dual-Band Gigabit Router looks interesting. It falls somewhere between the SOHO router, offered at your local retail stores, and a business enterprise router. It provides speed approaching wired gigabyte Ethernet connections. Its always good to have some wired Ethernet ports; because, a high quality gigabyte cable is highly shielded and not likely to have problems with its signal being scrambled, as the wireless connection might. The router provides firewall. ssl encryption, VPN and a lot more. It has a 3.0/2.0 USB port. Just connect an external USB 3.0 disk drive to it, and you have a NAT share. You will pay a little more for this kind of router, but you get better quality components, more features, and higher processing power. http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC68-Wireless-AC1900-Dual-Band-Gigabit-Router/dp/B00FB45SI4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1389020194sr=8-1keywords=asus+rt+ac68u http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8564786CatId=373http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8564786CatId=373 http://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RTAC68U/ Regards, LelandJ On 01/05/2014 06:18 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: My cable company tells me they're delivering faster than my old Linksys can broadcast recommends an upgrade (there are 6 - 7 devices on the wi-fi at any given time). The TP-Link stuff looks great: capabilities and price. Any comments? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52caddac.1080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Capturing Live Streaming Audio
This looks interesting; although, I've never used it. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85812/how-i-can-record-stream-radio-in-linux Regards, LelandJ On 01/03/2014 10:21 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: Hey Folks, Was curious to know if anyone knew the way I could do this - like what SW I could use - preferably Open Source. For the local public radio station - on the website they have an option to play a streaming version of the new album released by Peter Gabriel. I was listening to it - and was wondering if there is a way I could capture that Audio - and save it as an MP3 file. TIA, -K- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52c71a5d.2060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Capturing Live Streaming Audio
The below link should be more helpful than the link I previously provided. Both Streamtuner and Streamripper are made available in Fedora 19. I installed both from the Fedora Add/Remove menu. I ran Streamtunner by clicking on the icon installed on my desktop, and it came up fine in a GUI titled Streamtunner2. http://sourceforge.net/projects/streamtuner2/ Regards, Lelandj On 01/03/2014 02:15 PM, Leland F Jackson wrote: This looks interesting; although, I've never used it. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85812/how-i-can-record-stream-radio-in-linux Regards, LelandJ On 01/03/2014 10:21 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: Hey Folks, Was curious to know if anyone knew the way I could do this - like what SW I could use - preferably Open Source. For the local public radio station - on the website they have an option to play a streaming version of the new album released by Peter Gabriel. I was listening to it - and was wondering if there is a way I could capture that Audio - and save it as an MP3 file. TIA, -K- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52c72cc0.5020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Capturing Live Streaming Audio
There is an abundance of free Linux apps provided by the open source community, including Oracle's Virtualbox, (eg virtual machines), Hint, Hint. LOL If you can find the time, you should look into the opportunities Linux provides, even though many of these free Linux apps have found their way into Windows. Regards, Leland On 01/03/2014 03:46 PM, Kurt @ V-F wrote: I actually don't work with Linux - nor Mac (referring to Ed's link). Just PC... -K- On 1/3/2014 4:33 PM, Leland F Jackson, CPA wrote: The below link should be more helpful than the link I previously provided. Both Streamtuner and Streamripper are made available in Fedora 19. I installed both from the Fedora Add/Remove menu. I ran Streamtunner by clicking on the icon installed on my desktop, and it came up fine in a GUI titled Streamtunner2. http://sourceforge.net/projects/streamtuner2/ Regards, Lelandj On 01/03/2014 02:15 PM, Leland F Jackson wrote: This looks interesting; although, I've never used it. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85812/how-i-can-record-stream-radio-in-linux Regards, LelandJ On 01/03/2014 10:21 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: Hey Folks, Was curious to know if anyone knew the way I could do this - like what SW I could use - preferably Open Source. For the local public radio station - on the website they have an option to play a streaming version of the new album released by Peter Gabriel. I was listening to it - and was wondering if there is a way I could capture that Audio - and save it as an MP3 file. TIA, -K- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52c73b8b.6010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Happy new year
Happy new year. Regards, LelandJ On 12/31/2013 05:11 AM, Allen wrote: Bit early for some but others already there so... Happy new year to all, except those that have new year a bit later (Chinese new year) Al [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52c33d17.3090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The night before crisis
Below is a link to some notable Christmas quotes. Enjoy this holiday season and coming new year. http://www.legacy.com/news/legends-and-legacies/best-christmas-quotes/1807/ Regards, LelandJ On 12/23/2013 06:34 AM, Ted Roche wrote: I note with some amazement that this is my _tenth_ posting of this poem to the ProFox list. Thanks again to Ed Leafe for over ten years of a great forum. Thanks to you all for your contributions and participation. Best wishes to you all in this holiday season, and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year to us all. 'Twas the night before crisis, and all through the house, Not a program was working, not even a browse. The programmers were wrung out, too mindless to care, Knowing chances of shipping hadn't a prayer. The users were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of inquiries danced in their heads. When out in the lobby there arose such a clatter, That I sprang from my cube to see what was the matter. And what to my wondering eyes should appear, But a SUPER PROGRAMMER, oblivious to fear. More rapid than eagles, his programs they came, And he whistled and shouted and called them by name: On Update! On Add! On Inquiry! On Delete! On Batch Jobs! On Closing! On Functions Complete! His eyes were glazed over, his fingers were lean, From weekends and nights in front of the screen. A wink of his eye, and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread. He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work, Turning specs into code, then he turned with a jerk. And laying his finger on the ENTER key, The system came up, and worked perfectly. The updates, updated; the deletes, they deleted; The inquiries, inquired; and the closing completed. He tested each whistle, he tested each bell, With nary an abend, and all had gone well. The system was finished, the tests were concluded, The client's last changes were even included! And the client exclaimed with a snarl and a taunt, It's just what I asked for, but NOT what I want... (attributed variously, my copy came fromhttp://blog.tedroche.com/2003/12/23/the-night-before-crisis/ and links there trace it back to 1994.) Merry Christmas/Kwanza/Hanukka/Solstice/Festivus/Saturnalia/Boxing Day/Non-Denominational Day Off to you all! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52b84bb8.3030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] shows what the right think..
On 12/06/2013 06:50 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I get a kick out of our American righteousness. I have no idea if what Michael is saying is true or not, nor the time to study it, but after doing a lot of research the last ten years I can say without a doubt that what we see in the media here in America is NOT necessarily what really happened. Most will not read the examples on this subject, but a few will, and it is for them that I present this link. http://www.wanttoknow.info/mediacorruption -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:24 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] shows what the right think.. And you're sad a double-murderer and Communist is dead. “The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.”―Thomas Jefferson Regards, LelandJ From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:21 PM Subject: [OT] shows what the right think.. Madigan is happy that Mandela has diedŠ.. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52a1ebb7.40...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New office chair...recommendations?
On 11/20/2013 12:36 PM, Ted Roche wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net wrote: U Must go back Farther than a year - it was definitely a while ago - maybe 2 to 2.5 years ago! This, perhaps: http://leafe.com/archives/full_thread/449435 I'm still using my Embody chair and loving it. It's broken in to fit the contours of my body, which makes it a pleasure for me to sit in. I would buy another Embody chair in a heartbeat, if needed. The Embody chair can be order in a customized configuration to fit your needs and/or your pocketbook. LOL http://www.smartfurniture.com/products/Embody-Chair.html?gclid=CILtzruT9LoCFTEV7Aodw14ABws_kwcid=AL!3691!3!25923368666!!!g!23614385534!ef_id=Umrt-gAAACXu6-b-:20131120195919:s http://www.smartfurniture.com/products/Embody-Chair.html?gclid=CILtzruT9LoCFTEV7Aodw14ABws_kwcid=AL%213691%213%2125923368666%21%21%21g%2123614385534%21ef_id=Umrt-gAAACXu6-b-:20131120195919:s Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/528d15e8.4020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New office chair...recommendations?
On 11/20/2013 02:27 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: On Wed, November 20, 2013 3:04 pm, Leland F Jackson, CPA wrote: I'm still using my Embody chair and loving it. It's broken in to fit the contours of my body, which makes it a pleasure for me to sit in. I would buy another Embody chair in a heartbeat, if needed. The Embody chair can be order in a customized configuration to fit your needs and/or your pocketbook. LOL $1250, right? I'm sure I can find one I like for far less. :-) That's about right. The Embody chair costs more, but it's worth it, if you have the money to spare. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/528d2bb7.80...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] a client got blacklisted on the Rats-Dyna list
Your email server may be an open relay. If so, you will need to tighten access to prevent spamming. http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-get-removed-from-an-email-blacklist.html Regards, LelandJ On 10/23/2013 04:18 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Is there any simple way to fix this? Their mail server doesn't link back to their originating IP which is causing the problem. Apparently one of the computers there was pumping out spam, i don't know. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52687451.6070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] The latest Lelandmobile
On 08/12/2013 08:43 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, We haven't discussed Leland's favorite car badge lately . . . http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1085361_2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-drive-of-wolfsburgs-261-mpg-car I love the way VW stays right on the cutting edge with its research and development department. The new technology will trikkle down into new production VW models. I just go old midnight, (eg 2012 VW Golf TDI), back from the paint and body shop today; after, I had an accident on the 21st of July. A car backed out of a driveway right in front of me. I swerved trying to avoid it, but the car just kept on coming. I was plesantly surprised when I picked old Midnight up from Blascyk Paint and Body here in Abilene, Texass. Old Midnight look better than new. LOL Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/520a7fe2.8010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] The latest Lelandmobile
On 08/13/2013 01:50 PM, Leland F Jackson wrote: On 08/12/2013 08:43 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, We haven't discussed Leland's favorite car badge lately . . . http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1085361_2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-drive-of-wolfsburgs-261-mpg-car Whoops, I intended to hit spell check but hit send instead. Here it is after spell check. LOL I love the way VW stays right on the cutting edge with its research and development department. The new technology will trickle down into new production VW models. I just go old midnight, (eg 2012 VW Golf TDI), back from the paint and body shop today; after, I had an accident on the 21st of July. A car backed out of a driveway right in front of me. I swerved trying to avoid it, but the car just kept on coming. I was pleasantly surprised when I picked old Midnight up from Blascyk Paint and Body here in Abilene, Texass. Old Midnight look better than new. LOL Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/520a80ec.7050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: LLC and consulting
A corporation can elect to be taxed under sub-chapter S of the Internal Revenue Code, if they meet the IRS requirements. Even an LLC, that is incorporated, can elect to be taxed under the Sub-S rules of the IRC. Whether a corporation is a S-corporation, or no, relates only to the corporation's federal election on how it wants to be taxed . http://www.smallbusinesslawfirm.com/subchapter-s-taxation.html http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses--Self-Employed/S-Corporations Regards, LelandJ On 08/09/2013 07:25 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: James: I created a sub-chapter S corporation many years ago. I did it myself and it was pretty easy here in Arizona. Check into it for the state you are going to incorporate in. I personally see no advantage for an LLC vs. an S corp - at least here in Arizona. I would consider James Harvey, LLC vs. James Harvey, Inc. HTH Jeff --- Jeff Johnson j...@san-dc.com (623) 582-0323 www.san-dc.com www.arelationshipmanager.com On 08/09/2013 03:59 AM, James Harvey wrote: I'm looking into what would be the best arrangement for consulting with my employer after I retire this fall. I've been training a staff person to take over, and my goal is to be able to help as an independent consultant, not as an employee. An LLC seems like a likely option, and was wondering if I need a lawyer to set this up, or is Legalzoom.com an option? I'd love to hear advice from anyone else who has made this kind of transition in the past. James E Harvey M.I.S. Hanover Shoe Farms, Inc. www.hanoverpa.com office: 717-637-8931 cell: 717-887-2565 fax: 717-637-6766 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/52051232.9010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Lua scripting language
On 05/19/2010 11:34 AM, Paul McNett wrote: On 5/19/10 9:27 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote: Attended a meeting last night where there was a short presentation on Lua. Pretty interesting stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_%28programming_language%29 I've used and liked Lua over the years. I prefer Python's syntax, but Lua is definitely more lightweight and I can see why one would choose it over Python for specialized scripting needs, especially where performance is favored. I think actually it is almost as easy to learn as Python, but may not have as many batteries included. Paul I'll stick with perl. http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaVersusPerl http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaVersusPython Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bf42911.7040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Win 7 Pro - OEM
At one point OEMs that partnered with Microsoft to obtain OEM pricing for the windows OS were required to sell the window OS on each and ever PC they sold. For example, I brough a white box form Fox Marketing here in Abilene, Texas to run linux, but was required to buy an OEM version of windows, which I received on a CD. This practice may have changed after Microsoft was found guilty of monopolistic practice by the Department of Justice during the Clinton Administration, I believe. Regards, LelandJ On 05/17/2010 02:52 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: Carl, Just buy it and install it I doubt if you will cause the mighty M$ empire to crumble if you slightly step out of the M$ EULA. Dave C -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Carl Lindner Sent: 16 May 2010 23:20 To: Profox Subject: [NF] Win 7 Pro - OEM Comp USA will sells OEM Windows 7 Pro. I qualify if I build a new machine or simply purchase a single component for the build. The box mentions an OEM Pre-installation Kit (OPK). What is the bottom line? Suppose I buy components and build a new machine? What if I wanted to update my laptop which meets all criteria? As always, thanks for your help. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bf144e9.6070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vid session saved to disk?
On 05/17/2010 07:05 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, My piano teacher is including an out-of-town student or two in the class by using Vid on Windows 7 Home Deluxe. She tried Skype but it wouldn't do the whole class session. Is there a way to save the whole session, audio and video, to disk in a standard file she could put on her website so students could refer back to it? http://www.logitech.com/vid She is not adverse to a parallel process, if that's what it would take. Perhaps this will help: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/35927.aspx Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bf1f7fd.1060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vid session saved to disk?
I suppose a home surveillance system could also be adopted for your purposes. Here is a short article on how to do it. After everything is properly configured, you should be able to broadcast your webcam live over the internet and anyone with a browser and your IP address should be able to tune in to it via their browser. You may need a static IP address from your ISP and a NAT listing on directNIC or some other server that would resolves to your static WAN IP. You would probably want to create an Apache .htaccess password that would need to be entered before access the webcam was granted to a connected browser. http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/11/05/howto-home-video-security-with-zoneminder-and-ubuntu/ or http://tinyurl.com/yeubc3q Regards, LelandJ On 05/17/2010 09:14 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: On 05/17/2010 07:05 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, My piano teacher is including an out-of-town student or two in the class by using Vid on Windows 7 Home Deluxe. She tried Skype but it wouldn't do the whole class session. Is there a way to save the whole session, audio and video, to disk in a standard file she could put on her website so students could refer back to it? http://www.logitech.com/vid She is not adverse to a parallel process, if that's what it would take. Perhaps this will help: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/35927.aspx Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bf20299@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Win 7 Pro - OEM
http://oem.microsoft.com/script/contentpage.aspx?pageid=563841 Regards, LelandJ On 05/16/2010 05:20 PM, Carl Lindner wrote: Comp USA will sells OEM Windows 7 Pro. I qualify if I build a new machine or simply purchase a single component for the build. The box mentions an OEM Pre-installation Kit (OPK). What is the bottom line? Suppose I buy components and build a new machine? What if I wanted to update my laptop which meets all criteria? As always, thanks for your help. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bf0a305.4030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Islam? What Islam?
On 05/16/2010 07:18 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, http://www2.nationalreview.com/video/video_homie_051410_C.html That's called leading the witness, Pete, and that is not allowed in courts, nor should it be allow in congressional hearings. For example, if I ask you to reply to the following question with a yes or no answer, I'm leading you to respond in a way that foster fears/hate, (eg FUD) of Radical Islam: # Question: Isn't it possible, Pete, that one of these three individual committed terrorist acts; because, they were influence to do so by Radical Islam LOL. Because only a yes or a no response is all, I've put those words in your month. #--- Why didn't the congressman just ask Attorney General Eric Holder if he had found any evidence linking the 3 suspect to Radical Islam. Even if Attorney General Eric Holder had reason to believe Radical Islam played any role at all in the allege terrorist acts, he may not be able to comment about it, baring a national security threat; because, he may be the prosecutor when the case come to trail. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bf0ae0d.2010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Building a SuperFast 3D Workstation...Was.RE: [NF] server specs
I though I would look into the difference between cpus targeted for server versus cpus targeted for workstations or desktops. The server cpu is designed to handle a longer 24/7 duty cycle versus a desktop duty cycle of 8 AM to 5 PM, 5 days a week, for example. The focus of a server cpu is throughput vs a workstation/desktop focus on low latency. You really don't need a server configuration, (eg motherboard, memory, multiple x-core cpus, etc); unless, you're running apps that use multi processes/threads. For example, PostgreSQL can take advantage of multi-x-core cpus by approtioning queries across cores and cups. Also, enabling PostgreSQL to break up a single query between multi core/multi cpus is in the works. Another application that benefits form x-core and x-cpus is the Apache web server, that handles mutiple processes/threads simultaneously. If all you're doing is browsing the web, running open office, writing programs, maintaining a website, etc, then you would be just fine with the cheaper intel i5, i7 dual/quad core or amd phenom II dual/quad/hex core running in a single socket motherboard. So far as the intel vs amd controvery goes, if you want the best price/performance then go amd. If you want 10% or 15% increased performance over the amd counterpart, and don't mind paying double the price of it, the go with intel. # Excerpt: Difference between phenom and opteron Tweaked memory controllers, Cache sizes, thermal outputs, voltages, testing scemes, HT links, pricing, included heatsink, speed binning, many things. First of all opty's are tweaked for higher throughput vs latency. Also their cache sizes in reguard to their speed is also larger. Voltages and TDP are lower compared to their equivelint x2 or phenom units. Second, opterons are tested for much longer and at higher temperatures than regular chips. Being server grade, they need to hold up to high temps for long periods of time, under full load. Thus the chips are also binned higher compared to standard units. A 2.0ghz x2 is the same as a 1.6ghz opteron in terms of cache, just a lower multi and lower voltage. This is why the highest x2's are 3.2 and optys are 2.6. http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=43199 # Regards, LelandJ On 05/13/2010 01:17 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Hey there Leland, Thanks for all your feedback on this. I Broke this thread off into a different thread - as I figured I didn't want to diverge much more on the original Server Spec's request - as the thread already diverted into musical territories. Funny how that happens! :-) So - you are saying - its cheaper for me to buy a motherboard and a SINGLE 12-core processor? OR, are you saying - even the 12-core is VERY pricey. I haven't looked for specific pricing on it yet. My initial thoughts were trying to build one based upon 2 of the HexaCore AMD CPU's. And, I suspect that buying a dual CPU HexaCore mobo w/2 chips - is probably cheaper than a single 12-Core chip and mobo! Am I right? Although - to be honest - I won't be building a new PC any time too soon. Being that summer is around the bend - and I got my big CG conference to attend in LA - I'm gonna have to save up for that. But, who knows... L8r, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:27 PM Whoops, some of the links aren't working: Here the power supply: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/deepsearch_v3.asp?scriteria=Antec+TP+650ALL= yTP= http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Antec+TP-650oe=utf-8rls=org.m ozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8cid=145939649687405 4045ei=oynrS7vaBamIlAecqdDeDwsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=result resnum=3ved=0CDIQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers I brought the case and power supply as a bundle, so the power supply arrived already installed in the case. I just popped the already assembled MB in the case, installed the drives, video card, hooked up all the cables, and booted her right up. or http://tinyurl.com/23nb4hk Regards, LelandJ On 05/12/2010 05:04 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: The new AMD 6100 series cpus running in the G34 sockets are expensive. They should come down in price in time. You may not need a dual socket motherboard for your workstation. This review will give you some idea of where the AMD 6100 series cpu shines: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2978/amd-s-12-core-magny-cours-opteron-617 4-vs-intel-s-6-core-xeon/5 or http://tinyurl.com/26cqgoq I built a workstation about a year ago using mwave as follows: # 1) BA31314 -BA26037 -BA26098 -TEST5 1 ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX ATX motherboard 2xPCI-E(x16)/2xPCI-E(x8)/2xPCI/4xDDR3/integrated VGA/SATA2
Re: [NF] Building a SuperFast 3D Workstation...Was.RE: [NF] serverspecs
Multimedia encoding, decoding, transcoding, editing, etc is one area where a multicore cpu can really reduce the time it takes to process video, provide the application uses them. I'll need to check my system monitor in Fedora 11, the next time I'm processing video, to see if the media applications I'm using are taking advantage of two or more of my Phenom II x4 cpus, (eg cpu0 through cpu3, I believe). The System Monitor show percent of cpu usage for each of the four cores. In researching all this stuff, I noticed AMD has come out with a new Phenom 6-core, that I was considering for upgrade to my M4A78T-E motherboard brought last year. AMD has a BIOS upgrade that would allow the new 6-core Phenom to run on my motherboard, and it only cost about $210.00, LOL , but after reading and thinking on it, I've decided to hold off for the next great thing. My desktop system is fine to run my Apache web server and PostgreSQL database server, as there is never anywhere near a full load placed on them, so I'm good. Regards, LelandJ On 05/14/2010 01:18 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Hey there Leland, Thanks for all your research on the Chips!!! I really appreciate it - and it's a good bit enlightening! Although - the answer to your comment about my usage - it's actually in the message Subject! I work with 3DS Max. And, in fact (although I may be a little off) - it was probably one of the very FIRST pieces of SW on the market that COULD take advantage of multiple cores. I could since the earlier days - back when I had a Dell 300Mhz Pentium w/2 Chips in it. I believe it was a little later that Video Editing SW could properly take advantage of multiple CPUs. [However - don't quote me on it.] 3DS Max - the Windows version (earlier version were just called 3D Studio for DOS) came out circa 1990... -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:06 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Building a SuperFast 3D Workstation...Was.RE: [NF] serverspecs I though I would look into the difference between cpus targeted for server versus cpus targeted for workstations or desktops. The server cpu is designed to handle a longer 24/7 duty cycle versus a desktop duty cycle of 8 AM to 5 PM, 5 days a week, for example. The focus of a server cpu is throughput vs a workstation/desktop focus on low latency. You really don't need a server configuration, (eg motherboard, memory, multiple x-core cpus, etc); unless, you're running apps that use multi processes/threads. For example, PostgreSQL can take advantage of multi-x-core cpus by approtioning queries across cores and cups. Also, enabling PostgreSQL to break up a single query between multi core/multi cpus is in the works. Another application that benefits form x-core and x-cpus is the Apache web server, that handles mutiple processes/threads simultaneously. If all you're doing is browsing the web, running open office, writing programs, maintaining a website, etc, then you would be just fine with the cheaper intel i5, i7 dual/quad core or amd phenom II dual/quad/hex core running in a single socket motherboard. So far as the intel vs amd controvery goes, if you want the best price/performance then go amd. If you want 10% or 15% increased performance over the amd counterpart, and don't mind paying double the price of it, the go with intel. # Excerpt: Difference between phenom and opteron Tweaked memory controllers, Cache sizes, thermal outputs, voltages, testing scemes, HT links, pricing, included heatsink, speed binning, many things. First of all opty's are tweaked for higher throughput vs latency. Also their cache sizes in reguard to their speed is also larger. Voltages and TDP are lower compared to their equivelint x2 or phenom units. Second, opterons are tested for much longer and at higher temperatures than regular chips. Being server grade, they need to hold up to high temps for long periods of time, under full load. Thus the chips are also binned higher compared to standard units. A 2.0ghz x2 is the same as a 1.6ghz opteron in terms of cache, just a lower multi and lower voltage. This is why the highest x2's are 3.2 and optys are 2.6. http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=43199 # Regards, LelandJ On 05/13/2010 01:17 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Hey there Leland, Thanks for all your feedback on this. I Broke this thread off into a different thread - as I figured I didn't want to diverge much more on the original Server Spec's request - as the thread already diverted into musical territories. Funny how that happens! :-) So - you are saying - its cheaper for me to buy a motherboard and a SINGLE 12-core processor? OR, are you saying - even the 12-core
Re: [NF] Building a SuperFast 3D Workstation...Was.RE: [NF] server specs
The AMD 6100 series G34 x8 and x12 have only started shipping over the last 30 to 60 days, so its not widely available yet. Also, there are only a few dual socket motherboard available for it coming from Tyan $542.35, ASUS $459.99 and Supermicro $445.00. To get a G34 dual socket motherboard assemble today would cost you something like: #-- Motherboard = $500.00 AMD Opteron x12 6174 $1,250.00 x 2 = $2,500.00 4 gigs memory kit at 2gig x 2 = $140.00 Total would run around $3,140.00, before shipping, assembly, and testing. # I don't yet know how the product will be priced when the OEM begin releasing their products, so a lot will depend on that. If it's going into a new box, as opposed to an upgrade to a existing box, you would need to add the expense for the computer case, power supply, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, video card, video display, and any other special items you might need. Prices for these items can vary considerable depending on what you're looking for in the way of performance, reliability, brand name, etc. I'll let you do the math. LOL The AMD Opteron x8 6136 runs from $750.00 to $900.00 each. If I were you, I would wait and see if thing come down, after the the dust form the initial release settles. LOL http://www.provantage.com/amd-os6174wktcego~7AAMD2EC.htm Regards, LelandJ On 05/13/2010 01:17 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Hey there Leland, Thanks for all your feedback on this. I Broke this thread off into a different thread - as I figured I didn't want to diverge much more on the original Server Spec's request - as the thread already diverted into musical territories. Funny how that happens! :-) So - you are saying - its cheaper for me to buy a motherboard and a SINGLE 12-core processor? OR, are you saying - even the 12-core is VERY pricey. I haven't looked for specific pricing on it yet. My initial thoughts were trying to build one based upon 2 of the HexaCore AMD CPU's. And, I suspect that buying a dual CPU HexaCore mobo w/2 chips - is probably cheaper than a single 12-Core chip and mobo! Am I right? The AMD 6100 series 8 core and 12 core and G34 socket are pretty new. I don't know if newegg or mwave carry them yet, so I'm not sure of the pricing. I don't think Mwave is carrying any G34 socket mb and newegg is has two listed, but they are out of stock. There are only about . yt= Although - to be honest - I won't be building a new PC any time too soon. Being that summer is around the bend - and I got my big CG conference to attend in LA - I'm gonna have to save up for that. But, who knows... L8r, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:27 PM Whoops, some of the links aren't working: Here the power supply: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/deepsearch_v3.asp?scriteria=Antec+TP+650ALL= yTP= http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Antec+TP-650oe=utf-8rls=org.m ozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8cid=145939649687405 4045ei=oynrS7vaBamIlAecqdDeDwsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=result resnum=3ved=0CDIQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers I brought the case and power supply as a bundle, so the power supply arrived already installed in the case. I just popped the already assembled MB in the case, installed the drives, video card, hooked up all the cables, and booted her right up. or http://tinyurl.com/23nb4hk Regards, LelandJ On 05/12/2010 05:04 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: The new AMD 6100 series cpus running in the G34 sockets are expensive. They should come down in price in time. You may not need a dual socket motherboard for your workstation. This review will give you some idea of where the AMD 6100 series cpu shines: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2978/amd-s-12-core-magny-cours-opteron-617 4-vs-intel-s-6-core-xeon/5 or http://tinyurl.com/26cqgoq I built a workstation about a year ago using mwave as follows: # 1) BA31314 -BA26037 -BA26098 -TEST5 1 ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX ATX motherboard 2xPCI-E(x16)/2xPCI-E(x8)/2xPCI/4xDDR3/integrated VGA/SATA2 Raid/Lan(gb) (Retail)PHENOM II X4 810 2.6G; KINGSTON 4GB KIT KHX13000AD3LLK2/4G; FREE ASSEMBLE/TEST $401.47 $401.47 I like Mwave because they ship the motherboard, cpu, cpu fan and memory already assembled and tested to be sure the motherboard will post. The M4A78-T-E motherboard has been rock solid for me. It's a quality board with quality components, including the good capacitors that last 40 or 50 years. https://www.mwave.com/mwave/deepsearch_v3.asp?scriteria=ASUS+M4A78T+EAL L=yTP= or http://tinyurl.com/22mpfa4
Re: [NF] Building a SuperFast 3D Workstation...Was.RE: [NF] serverspecs
Whoops, based on the below link, the Opteron X12 6124 running at 1.8G 16MB 65W 6400MH 45NM Tray Magnycurs can be had from Provantage for only $470.20 each. Provantage has 39 of the 1.8G cpus in stock. Below it is show the Opteron X12 6174 2.2G, which costs $1226.93 each, and must be special ordered. The 6124 1.8G is less capable than the 6174 2.2G, I guess. http://www.provantage.com/amd-os6174wktcego~4AAMD2EC.htm Regards, LelandJ On 05/13/2010 04:27 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Well - that pretty much answers that question! So, for me - yeah - that pretty much puts the 8 12-cores out of my price range. The whole point for me to go the AMD route - is to save $$$. As such - the Hexacores are MUCH more in my price range. And, they are much cheaper than equivalent Intel 6-cores. Now, I was doing some reading lately - so, I know that the AMD's don't even compare to the power of the Intel chips. But, if I could put a Dual-socket AMD HexaCore system together - I think it could be done relatively cheaply... -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:06 PM The AMD 6100 series G34 x8 and x12 have only started shipping over the last 30 to 60 days, so its not widely available yet. Also, there are only a few dual socket motherboard available for it coming from Tyan $542.35, ASUS $459.99 and Supermicro $445.00. To get a G34 dual socket motherboard assemble today would cost you something like: #-- Motherboard = $500.00 AMD Opteron x12 6174 $1,250.00 x 2 = $2,500.00 4 gigs memory kit at 2gig x 2 = $140.00 Total would run around $3,140.00, before shipping, assembly, and testing. # I don't yet know how the product will be priced when the OEM begin releasing their products, so a lot will depend on that. If it's going into a new box, as opposed to an upgrade to a existing box, you would need to add the expense for the computer case, power supply, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, video card, video display, and any other special items you might need. Prices for these items can vary considerable depending on what you're looking for in the way of performance, reliability, brand name, etc. I'll let you do the math. LOL The AMD Opteron x8 6136 runs from $750.00 to $900.00 each. If I were you, I would wait and see if thing come down, after the the dust form the initial release settles. LOL http://www.provantage.com/amd-os6174wktcego~7AAMD2EC.htm Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bec8f47.40...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Building a SuperFast 3D Workstation...Was.RE: [NF] serverspecs
2 Opteron X12 6124 He G34 1.8G 16MB 65W 6400MH 45NM Tray $470.22 ea. x 2 = $940.44 http://www.provantage.com/amd-os6124vat8ego~7AAMD2EN.htm ASUS Kgpe-D16 DP G34 LGA1944 Max-64GB 4PCIE16 PCIE8 motherboard = $416.93 http://www.provantage.com/asus-kgpe-d16~7ASUS1Y0.htm 8 GB (Kingston 1333MHZ DDR3 ECC kit 4GB x 2) 266.54 x 2 = $533.08 http://www.provantage.com/kingston-technology-kvr1333d3d8r9s-4g~7KINM1NC.htm Total for motherboard, 2 Opteron X12 1.8G cpus, and 2 4GB memory cards = $1,890.45 Regards, LelandJ * * On 05/13/2010 06:46 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Whoops, based on the below link, the Opteron X12 6124 running at 1.8G 16MB 65W 6400MH 45NM Tray Magnycurs can be had from Provantage for only $470.20 each. Provantage has 39 of the 1.8G cpus in stock. Below it is show the Opteron X12 6174 2.2G, which costs $1226.93 each, and must be special ordered. The 6124 1.8G is less capable than the 6174 2.2G, I guess. http://www.provantage.com/amd-os6174wktcego~4AAMD2EC.htm Regards, LelandJ On 05/13/2010 04:27 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Well - that pretty much answers that question! So, for me - yeah - that pretty much puts the 8 12-cores out of my price range. The whole point for me to go the AMD route - is to save $$$. As such - the Hexacores are MUCH more in my price range. And, they are much cheaper than equivalent Intel 6-cores. Now, I was doing some reading lately - so, I know that the AMD's don't even compare to the power of the Intel chips. But, if I could put a Dual-socket AMD HexaCore system together - I think it could be done relatively cheaply... -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:06 PM The AMD 6100 series G34 x8 and x12 have only started shipping over the last 30 to 60 days, so its not widely available yet. Also, there are only a few dual socket motherboard available for it coming from Tyan $542.35, ASUS $459.99 and Supermicro $445.00. To get a G34 dual socket motherboard assemble today would cost you something like: #-- Motherboard = $500.00 AMD Opteron x12 6174 $1,250.00 x 2 = $2,500.00 4 gigs memory kit at 2gig x 2 = $140.00 Total would run around $3,140.00, before shipping, assembly, and testing. # I don't yet know how the product will be priced when the OEM begin releasing their products, so a lot will depend on that. If it's going into a new box, as opposed to an upgrade to a existing box, you would need to add the expense for the computer case, power supply, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, video card, video display, and any other special items you might need. Prices for these items can vary considerable depending on what you're looking for in the way of performance, reliability, brand name, etc. I'll let you do the math. LOL The AMD Opteron x8 6136 runs from $750.00 to $900.00 each. If I were you, I would wait and see if thing come down, after the the dust form the initial release settles. LOL http://www.provantage.com/amd-os6174wktcego~7AAMD2EC.htm Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4beca3d8.1040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] server specs
On 05/12/2010 04:22 AM, Allen wrote: Hi Foxgang I have been asked to spec a server. Its really just to keep VFP9 data on but could in future run a web service. I'm a bit out of touch but they asked for high end. Anyone got any suggestions. Not make, that's down to them but processor etc. TIA Al I like the AMD cpu. Opteron is AMD's server cpu. AMD has a new 8 core and 12 core Opteron cpu, and with a motherboard that supports multiple AMD 8 or 12 core Opterons, (eg dual or quad socketed motherboards), you can really build a server. Here are a few links to get you thinking: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c1246/rack-server-products.php http://www.newegg.com/store/SubCategory.aspx?Subcategory=302 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813151149 http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=90603 http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/04/08/asus-launches-dual-socket-amd-g34-motherboa/1 Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4beac601.7050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] server specs
This dual G34 socket motherboard appeared on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643Tpk=KGPE-D16 Regards, LelandJ On 05/12/2010 10:15 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: On 05/12/2010 04:22 AM, Allen wrote: Hi Foxgang I have been asked to spec a server. Its really just to keep VFP9 data on but could in future run a web service. I'm a bit out of touch but they asked for high end. Anyone got any suggestions. Not make, that's down to them but processor etc. TIA Al I like the AMD cpu. Opteron is AMD's server cpu. AMD has a new 8 core and 12 core Opteron cpu, and with a motherboard that supports multiple AMD 8 or 12 core Opterons, (eg dual or quad socketed motherboards), you can really build a server. Here are a few links to get you thinking: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c1246/rack-server-products.php http://www.newegg.com/store/SubCategory.aspx?Subcategory=302 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813151149 http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=90603 http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/04/08/asus-launches-dual-socket-amd-g34-motherboa/1 Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4beacc7f.80...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] server specs
I found this HP Server on newegg that come with a single Intel Xeon Processor, which is Intel's server cpu. It has a dual socket, so it would scale up to 2 cpus. http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16859105508 Regards, LelandJ On 05/12/2010 10:42 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: This dual G34 socket motherboard appeared on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643Tpk=KGPE-D16 Regards, LelandJ On 05/12/2010 10:15 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: On 05/12/2010 04:22 AM, Allen wrote: Hi Foxgang I have been asked to spec a server. Its really just to keep VFP9 data on but could in future run a web service. I'm a bit out of touch but they asked for high end. Anyone got any suggestions. Not make, that's down to them but processor etc. TIA Al I like the AMD cpu. Opteron is AMD's server cpu. AMD has a new 8 core and 12 core Opteron cpu, and with a motherboard that supports multiple AMD 8 or 12 core Opterons, (eg dual or quad socketed motherboards), you can really build a server. Here are a few links to get you thinking: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c1246/rack-server-products.php http://www.newegg.com/store/SubCategory.aspx?Subcategory=302 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813151149 http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=90603 http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/04/08/asus-launches-dual-socket-amd-g34-motherboa/1 Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bead234.9080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] server specs
on a possible 3D CG movie deal right now). And, I am also planning to have the main HD of my next system be a SSD type unit. That - and a serious Video card and lots of RAM should make the system SCREAM! I also saw your other posting - with the Dual CPU motherboard. But, I saw it was Server specific. I'm wondering if I can find a dual CPU based mo-bo on NewEgg that isn't SO pricey. L8r, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:15 AM On 05/12/2010 04:22 AM, Allen wrote: Hi Foxgang I have been asked to spec a server... I like the AMD cpu. Opteron is AMD's server cpu. AMD has a new 8 core and 12 core Opteron cpu, and with a motherboard that supports multiple AMD 8 or 12 core Opterons, (eg dual or quad socketed motherboards), you can really build a server. Here are a few links to get you thinking: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c1246/rack-server-products.php http://www.newegg.com/store/SubCategory.aspx?Subcategory=302 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813151149 http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=90603 http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/04/08/asus-launches-dual-sock et-amd-g34-motherboa/1 Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4beb2b49.5030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Atheists are the best!
On 05/11/2010 12:46 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/11/thieves-steal-mojave-desert-memorial-cross-nighttime-heist/ Hi Michael, Could have been 'scrap metal scavengers to people with an interest in the case,' she said. I think it was Leland's buddies, the religious righters - whoever they are - who want it for a memorial service. Since they cut the bolts, the cross itself would not have been damaged and can continue to be used, as a cross. Were it atheists, it would have been desecrated on the spot. Probably can be replaced for a few hundred. If it was aluminum or magnesium or something it would be more expensive. The theft/destruction of the Mojave Desert Memorial Cross was probably committed by a political or religious group to create a artificial provocation to justify forthcoming actions they will take, (eg blame their enemies as the desecrators to justify attacking them politically or religiously). Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be9c5cd.20...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Postgres vs. SQL Server
On 05/10/2010 12:34 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: Hi Leland, For perspective on high end database performance, compare both to TPF (25,000 transactions per second) http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/37518.html?wlc=1273511918 ... but what is most significant is the system's compatibility with Linux. This feature opens the door for many more programmers and administrators who may want to work with it. I've written applications for TPF (Avis rent-a-car) years ago. Kinda/sorta like VFP, it reads records into work areas (levels). Records are chained (linked) to enable reading back and forth through sets. At the time it was assembler only, but that may have changed with z/TPF. Bill If I understand the article correctly, TPF was targeted for IBM's zSeries mainframes, which runs on IBM's OS only. That's likely where the 25,000 transaction per seconds originated. The new z/TPF will run on regular servers under Linux and other OS(s). For JOY! DB2 is better know as IBM's database, but having z/TPF come out as an open source product is great. Is it free? One advantages of running PostgreSQL is it's free. I remember downloading a 30 day test version of DB2 to RadHat Linux 4 or 5, so DB2 has been around on Linux for a long time, but you may have to pay big time, depending on use, if you opt for a license. I'm posting this email as I run out the door to take care of an errand. Be back soon. Regards, LelandJ -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:31 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: [NF] Postgres vs. SQL Server Results of test performed between MSSQL and PostgreSQL: #--- Excerpt: 5 Conclusions This paper compares the performance and scaling of the BenchmarkSQL workload running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.4 with that of the same workload on Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise. The database servers used were HP ProLiant DL370 G6 servers equipped with 48 GB of RAM and comprised of dual sockets, each with a 3.2 GHz Intel Xeon W5580 Nehalem processor (totaling 8 cores). The data presented in this paper establishes that a common OLTP workload on PostgreSQL can contend with SQL Server and with minimal tuning, is capable of outperforming SQL Server using the same load in an enterprise environment. The number of actual users and throughput supported in any specific customer situation would naturally depend on the specifics of the application used and the degree of user activity. http://pgsnake.blogspot.com/2010/05/postgres-vs-sql-server.html #-- Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be868ce.4010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Postgres vs. SQL Server
On 05/10/2010 12:34 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: Hi Leland, For perspective on high end database performance, compare both to TPF (25,000 transactions per second) http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/37518.html?wlc=1273511918 ... but what is most significant is the system's compatibility with Linux. This feature opens the door for many more programmers and administrators who may want to work with it. I've written applications for TPF (Avis rent-a-car) years ago. Kinda/sorta like VFP, it reads records into work areas (levels). Records are chained (linked) to enable reading back and forth through sets. At the time it was assembler only, but that may have changed with z/TPF. Bill O/K, I finally had a chance to look into this a little more. TPF is not a database, its an OS. If z/TPF is an OS and Linux is an OS, I still don't understand how z/TPF runs under Linux, unless as a VM. LOL. Anyways, it's designed to # Excerpt: TPF delivers fast, high-volume, high-throughput transaction processing, handling large, continuous loads of essentially simple transactions across large, geographically dispersed networks. The world's largest TPF-based systems are easily capable of processing tens of thousands of transactions per second. TPF is also designed for highly reliable, continuous (24x7) operation. It is not uncommon for TPF customers to have continuous online availability of a decade or more, even with system and software upgrades. This is due in part to the multi-mainframe operating capability and environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_Processing_Facility http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tpfhelp/current/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.ztpf-ztpfdf.doc_put.cur/gtpc3/ch1.html #- Regards, LelandJ -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:31 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: [NF] Postgres vs. SQL Server Results of test performed between MSSQL and PostgreSQL: #--- Excerpt: 5 Conclusions This paper compares the performance and scaling of the BenchmarkSQL workload running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.4 with that of the same workload on Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise. The database servers used were HP ProLiant DL370 G6 servers equipped with 48 GB of RAM and comprised of dual sockets, each with a 3.2 GHz Intel Xeon W5580 Nehalem processor (totaling 8 cores). The data presented in this paper establishes that a common OLTP workload on PostgreSQL can contend with SQL Server and with minimal tuning, is capable of outperforming SQL Server using the same load in an enterprise environment. The number of actual users and throughput supported in any specific customer situation would naturally depend on the specifics of the application used and the degree of user activity. http://pgsnake.blogspot.com/2010/05/postgres-vs-sql-server.html #-- Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be89d44.6090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Congress Refuses to Outlaw Insider Trading For Lawmakers
Most elected official, holding high office that could influence the finances of individual companies listed on stock exchanges, hold their investment portfolio in blind trusts. This means the fiduciary of the blind trusts runs everything regarding investment buying and selling within the bind trust without regards to any input from the owner or output to the owner. Supposedly, investors who have stocks and bonds in a blind trust are so removed from it, they wouldn't even know what they owned. Regards, LelandJ On 05/07/2010 11:16 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Pete Theisenpetethei...@verizon.net wrote: Well, if they were to use the money for a nice public charity, even for their own districts, that would be one thing. But I get the impression from the article that it went straight into their own pockets. -- Like Nancy Pelosi? She was getting richer on Health Care investments was she not? I am pretty sure she was already invested in them and was just getting more. She just knew what areas were going to get what extra attention maybe? It is not like any of the rest of us was taken by surprise that the bill passed so we had as much time to research in . Bad Steve! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be449d1.1050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] SPY Camera Mini DVR Recorder Hidden Video Cam 720*480
On 05/05/2010 10:00 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150410036677 A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be196ea.4000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] SPY Camera Mini DVR Recorder Hidden Video Cam 720*480
Interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH8Z9vnyyvkfeature=related Regards, LelandJ On 05/05/2010 10:00 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150410036677 A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be19751.8010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Here ya go, Leland!
On 05/03/2010 08:45 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: http://green.autoblog.com/2010/05/01/volkswagen-announces-new-1-2l-three-cylinder-diesel-should-push/?icid=main|netscape|dl5|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fgreen.autoblog.com%2F2010%2F05%2F01%2Fvolkswagen-announces-new-1-2l-three-cylinder-diesel-should-push%2F [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be03138.8010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Here ya go, Leland!
On 05/03/2010 08:45 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: http://green.autoblog.com/2010/05/01/volkswagen-announces-new-1-2l-three-cylinder-diesel-should-push/?icid=main|netscape|dl5|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fgreen.autoblog.com%2F2010%2F05%2F01%2Fvolkswagen-announces-new-1-2l-three-cylinder-diesel-should-push%2F The VW battery-powered Golf Blue-e-motion looks interesting, but with a driving range of 90 miles per full charge, its not ready for prime time, and wouldn't meet my needs at all. VW's first electric car will be the E-up, scheduled for release in 2013. I'm still enjoying my VW Jetta Wagon TDI, which is only now beginning to break in. I put a skid plate on her, so I could drive her on the ranch, and she did pretty well for a vehicle with 15 tires over rough terrain. I've got the ranch up for sale now, though, so I may buy another VW Jetta/Golf TDI Wagon TDI when it sell. There's something about the diesel that really appeals to me; good gas mileage and green technology aside. http://www.evolutionimport.com/Evolution_Atlas_Skid_Plate_With_Oil_Drain_Hole_For_p/a-3-002.htm or http://tinyurl.com/yeymuw2 Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be03196.7050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Here ya go, Leland!
On 05/04/2010 10:01 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 05/03/2010 08:45 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: http://green.autoblog.com/2010/05/01/volkswagen-announces-new-1-2l-three-cylinder-diesel-should-push/?icid=main|netscape|dl5|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fgreen.autoblog.com%2F2010%2F05%2F01%2Fvolkswagen-announces-new-1-2l-three-cylinder-diesel-should-push%2F The VW battery-powered Golf Blue-e-motion looks interesting, but with a driving range of 90 miles per full charge, its not ready for prime time, and wouldn't meet my needs at all. VW's first electric car will be the E-up, scheduled for release in 2013. I'm still enjoying my VW Jetta Wagon TDI, which is only now beginning to break in. I put a skid plate on her, so I could drive her on the ranch, and she did pretty well for a vehicle with 15 tires over rough terrain. I've got the ranch up for sale now, though, so I may buy another VW Jetta/Golf TDI Wagon TDI when it sell. There's something about the diesel that really appeals to me; good gas mileage and green technology aside. - Do you see a push for growing raw oil either peanut or soybean or is your area just to dry for these crops? Doesn't it make sense to grow proper crops for alternative fuel instead of trying to grow for alcohol production? Granted veggie oil in winter in cold areas needs special attention. No, I must has messed up the link Michael provided. Thanks for the heads-up. I hope Volkswagen brings its Polo Bluemotion to North America. The current Polo is not being offered in the USA. If the Polo Bluemotion has the customary 14.5 gallon tank and give 71 mpg, she would have a range of 1,100.5 miles per full tank. The excerpt below is from the article, which expresses my feelings as well: #--- /Steiger adds that long distance and freight transportation will continue to rely on internal combustion engines with highly efficient drive systems in the foreseeable future, so a long period of coexistence can be expected between E-technology and classic internal combustion engines./ # Regards, LelandJ /*Volksw Volkswagen Polo Bluemotion*/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4be042fc.7050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Putting the lie to the spitting story
Human Events is the source of three of your posts. Human Events is an ultra conservative organization, that is affiliated with the Republican Party; hardly the place for balanced, honest reporting. It is probably finance by a Republican PAC. The list of editorial contributors reads like a who's who of the extreme right. When did you discover Human Events? I assume you signed up to receive Ann Coulter's free weekly email during your visit to the website, so you can keep up to date with the sky is falling hysteria. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 04/26/2010 11:59 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, Could the left have exaggerated the incident? http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36303 well-prepared stunt of having several members of the Congressional Black Congress walk above ground to the Capitol on the evening of the vote, rather than through the underground tunnels. Their route took them past a noisy crowd of tea party protesters. Two members later claimed that they had run a gauntlet of ugly racial slurs. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) said, I haven't heard anything like this in 40, 45 years. Since the march to Selma, really. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) claimed that he was spat upon, and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) claimed to have endured anti-gay epithets. Headlines were assured. Only the Frank story is confirmed by any contemporaneous outside source. A Politico reporter claims to have heard the word. Such slurs are obviously despicable and were immediately condemned as such by leading Republicans. But while the press went purple over one jerk's shouted insult to Frank, leading members of the Democratic Party and the press (to repeat myself) blatantly slur the Tea Party movement as tea baggers on a daily basis and the press regard it all as a great in joke. As for the claims of the CBC members, one cannot vouch for an entire crowd of thousands of protesters, but no video that captured the moment (and there are several) picked up any racial slurs, just angry boos and chants of kill the bill. As for Cleaver's incident, it was captured on video. He passed a man who had cupped his hands and was shouting as Cleaver passed by. Some spittle seems to have sprayed. It could not have been pleasant, but it's a world away from being intentionally spat upon. How novel! Two sides to the story! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd7064c.3030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] For open-minded Liberals, if there are any.
I'd better be careful, or I might make Human Events non-approved reading list. LOL #-- Human Events put out a list of Ten Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries: 1. The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels 2. Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler 3. Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong, by Mao Zedong 4. Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, by Alfred Kinsey 5. Democracy and Education, by John Dewey 6. Das Kapital, by Karl Marx 7. The Feminine Mystique, by Betty Friedan 8. The Course of Positive Philosophy, by Auguste Comte 9. Beyond Good and Evil, by Friedrich Nietzsche 10. General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, by John Maynard Keynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Events #--- Regards, LelandJ On 04/27/2010 12:07 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36659 Leftwing lawlessness and violence helped define the last two Republican National Conventions. In New York City in 2004, GOP delegates were routinely accosted by protestors. I was threatened by a mob as I walked to the convention one day. In St. Paul in 2008, more than 800 liberal protestors were arrested, and many received felony charges. There were riots. On the first day, protestors blocked the entrance to the Excel Energy Center, prohibiting delegates from entering. Some delegates were assaulted. Windows of local businesses were smashed and police car tires were slashed. A police car was lit on fire. One protestor was arrested with Molotov cocktails at the ready. After California voters passed Proposition 8, that state’s marriage amendment, gay activists went on the attack. Conservative churches were picketed and vandalized, and church services were disrupted. Envelopes containing white powder were sent to several Mormon temples. And a postcard was sent to the homes and businesses of many financial donors of Proposition 8. It read, “If I had a gun, I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter.” Imagine if any of this had happened at a Tea Party rally. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd7086a.8010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Ban the income tax
A progressive tax rate seem to be working great for China. If you think the income tax rates are high in the USA, I really would not like the income tax rates in China: http://www.worldwide-tax.com/china/china_tax.asp Regards, LelandJ On 04/27/2010 06:16 AM, Publius Maximus wrote: http://bit.ly/blcZCB - - - It is a truly tragic development that in America -- a country founded on the principle of the inviolability of private property -- half of us prey on the substance of our neighbors. A striking 37-second video moment made it to the internet last week. [video clip] It was taken at a demonstration of public-sector unions in Springfield, Illinois marching in support of the proposed tax increases in that state. The clip features a public school teacher, an African-American lady, who carries a couple of placards while shouting: Where is the money? Where is the money? ... Give up the bucks! Where is the cash? We need it fast! The video is an eye-opening illustration of what taxes are ultimately about: Americans helping themselves to the property of other Americans. According to the latest data, almost half of all Americans pay no federal income tax. Commenting on this fact, nationally syndicated columnist Phyllis Schlafly recently observed that April 15 now divides Americans into two almost equal classes: those who pay for the services provided by government and the freeloaders. Freeloaders is not, however, an altogether fitting term, since freeloaders merely take advantage of propitious circumstances. In a free-for-all democracy, on the other hand, many non-payers or net tax-consumers purposefully vote for those who promise to give them of their neighbors' substance. What these people do is, in effect, stealing. They are thieves, and it matters not that the theft in which they participate is state-sanctioned. After all, what name other than thieves can describe those who forcefully deprive others of their money in order to enrich themselves? If the lady in the video wants to enrich herself at others' expense, she should be forced to do it the old fashioned way: by breaking into someone's house. Sadly, these days, she does not have to summon even that much initiative. She can simply vote for a politician who will do the dirty deed for her. If a thief gets caught with a couple of thousand dollars' worth of stolen goods, the chances are that he will end up in jail, humiliated and despised. Those, however, who vote for politicians who deprive productive citizens of tens of thousands of dollars every year never despise themselves. Quite the contrary: They consider themselves progressive, socially conscious, or enlightened. - - - The income tax is immoral, and our Founders invented a better way to provide for the federal government's funding. Quoth Abraham Lincoln: The tariff is the cheaper system. By the direct tax system, assessors and collectors must be sent forth across the land like a swarm of Egyptian locusts. By the tariff system, the man who contents himself to live on the products of his country pays no tax at all. - Publius ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd709c8.3080...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
The GM TV commercial said nothing about paying the government loan from earnings. Congress approved funds to help GM in its day to day operations. The fund were place into escrow. GM can request the funds as needed, and have them release for operations, I assume, with authorization from the escrow agent, (eg USA government). Using funds from the escrow account still reduced GM's overall debt to Americans, which is a good thing; since, the total obligation to the people of America include the money in escrow and other debt owed to the USA government. Therefore, GM was able to reduce it debt to the USA government by simply returning some of it. The 50 billion, (eg 20 billion loan plus 30 billion purchase in the new GM), is not a debt. It is an investment in non-voting stock in GM, (eg USA equity in the new GM Corporation). Regards, LelandJ On 04/27/2010 08:52 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: The commentators on CNBC on Friday said that GM took free money from one of the TARP slush funds to repay the loans. Repayments did not come out of earnings. GM had been bragging all week that their sales were up significantly and that they were now able to pay back the loans which implies that the payments came from earnings. But not so. - Original Message - From: Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:17 AM Subject: RE: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans All the former stockholders and bond holders and some dealers got screwed. Who didn't get screwed? Why the United Autoworkers, that's who. --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Carl Lindnerc...@bdos.com wrote: From: Carl Lindnerc...@bdos.com Subject: RE: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans To: 'ProFox Email List'profox@leafe.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 2:57 PM Not sure you about that it seems the bond and stock holders lost the money. It appears a good number of people were shafted and the government was an insider. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Publius Maximus Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:19 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans It repaid the government loans with... government money. IOW, it's a joke. - Publius On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Carl Lindnerc...@bdos.com wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd70de4.10...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Imagine...
On 04/27/2010 09:39 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Ed Leafee...@leafe.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Thomas Jefferson said that people should regularly take up arms when the government becomes suppressive. I don't know why, but it always amazes me when people totally miss the point of a thread, and go off on their own personal tangents. Hardly anyone has commented on the original idea: imagine if the people calling for armed revolution were black? --- I watched the movie Gangs of New York this past weekend and thought of this thread and much of what Ed is talking about now. BTW, not a good movie either. I really enjoyed the movie Gangs of New York (2002). It won two Golden Globe awards and was nominated for 10 Academy Awards, including best picture. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217505/ Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd71406.5030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Imagine...
On 04/27/2010 11:50 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 04/27/2010 09:39 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Ed Leafee...@leafe.comwrote: On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Thomas Jefferson said that people should regularly take up arms when the government becomes suppressive. I don't know why, but it always amazes me when people totally miss the point of a thread, and go off on their own personal tangents. Hardly anyone has commented on the original idea: imagine if the people calling for armed revolution were black? --- I watched the movie Gangs of New York this past weekend and thought of this thread and much of what Ed is talking about now. BTW, not a good movie either. I really enjoyed the movie Gangs of New York (2002). It won two Golden Globe awards and was nominated for 10 Academy Awards, including best picture. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217505/ I expected Martin Scorsese to keep the burn scar on the face of the actor for more then 2 min of the movie. I was suposed to be a compelling moment in building the character. Maybe DiCaprio's contract said he couldn't look ugly for more then 2 min? It had a great amount of comedy. When the fire departments showed up and it turned into a fight I had to laugh. Then they struck the poor SOB whose house was next to the one on fire. This film is probably one of Scorsese's weakest, but that is my opinion. The theme of the movie was about the conflict between the working class Irish immigrants, The Rabbits, and the Natives, (eg regular working class Americans), of New York in the middle 1800s. The two fashion formed gangs to protect themselves and their interests, so the theme fits right in with todays immigration reform, including religious struggle for power with The Rabbits being Catholics, and the Natives being protestant. There were also political overtone with each faction trying to elect individual that would best represent their respective gangs. The movie did a good job of depicting the period of the 5 corners of New York in the 1800s, with all its divergence, violence, corruption, and struggle for power. The gangs raged war with crude weapons like bats, knives, bare hands, and other home made weapons, etc; since, firearms, like those used during the civil war, were illegal. It was a good movie. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd71d9c.2050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] For open-minded Liberals, if there are any.
On 04/27/2010 12:33 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: 4. Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, by Alfred Kinsey I won't go into what I've read. What I will do is ask who decides what books are harmful and why. Many of these book should be read, given the advantage of hindsight, to have a well rounded education and better understanding of history. To label a book as harmful is a form of censorship. There are all kinds of censorship. I believe in the free exchange of ideas in every form, whether written, spoken, art, video, music, etc., as long as it doesn't instigate unreal fear/hate, which might lead to violence. I'll agree that some of the books listed contributed to hate/fear in there day, which lead to violence, but these book are valuable in educational content today, when read with the advantage of hindsight. Understanding how they influenced harm in there day can prevent us from making the same mistakes. Some of the books listed I haven't read, so I'll have to look into why they are considered harmful, or did harm, if that is what the website is saying. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd72c75.90...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Chinese accused of vast trade in organs
Trading in human organ is becoming a major export of China: # Excerpt: China's hidden policy of executing prisoners of the forbidden quasi-Buddhist group Falun Gong and harvesting their organs for worldwide sale has been expanded to include Tibetans, house church Christians and Muslim Uighurs, human rights activists said Monday. In a news conference on Capitol Hill, several speakers, including attorney David Matas of B'nai Brith Canada and Ethan Gutmann of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, said their investigations have unearthed a grisly trade in which an estimated 9,000 members of Falun Gong have been executed for their corneas, lungs, livers, kidneys and skins. They likened the practice to the Nazi treatment of Jewish prisoners in World War II concentration camps, which included using them for sadistic medical experiments and taking the gold fillings from the teeth of corpses. The newest wrinkle, they said, is that organs from other religious prisoners — specifically dissidents from China's Christian, Muslim and Tibetan Buddhist communities — are also being harvested to satisfy an insatiable global demand. These groups are useless to the state, Mr. Gutmann said. They are toxic, so you can't release them. But they're worth a great deal of money in terms of their organs. Organs from just one person can fetch a total of $100,000 on the worldwide market, he added. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/27/chinese-accused-of-vast-trade-in-organs/?utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=newsletter_must-read-stories-today or http://tinyurl.com/276la2g #--- Regards, LelandJ #-- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd73d70.1020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Chinese accused of vast trade in organs
On 04/27/2010 03:14 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Trading in human organ is becoming a major export of China: China's hidden policy of executing prisoners of the forbidden quasi-Buddhist group Falun Gong and harvesting their organs for worldwide sale has been expanded to include Tibetans, house church Christians and Muslim Uighurs, human rights activists said Monday. http://tinyurl.com/276la2g Hi Leland, Your part of the message indicates that you believe it is true. But is there proof? If so, it would call for regime change. I don't know who or where to go for the evidence needed for proof beyond reasonable doubt. We could ask the leadership in China to confirm/confess, but that would be like asking Hitler's SS to confirm/confess, or allow us to investigate. Lots of luck with that. LOL China's exporting in harvested human organs is one product I wouldn't mind levying a tariff against; although, many countries have already taken measures to deny China access to this detestable market. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd750d1.4020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Chinese accused of vast trade in organs
On 04/27/2010 03:14 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Trading in human organ is becoming a major export of China: China's hidden policy of executing prisoners of the forbidden quasi-Buddhist group Falun Gong and harvesting their organs for worldwide sale has been expanded to include Tibetans, house church Christians and Muslim Uighurs, human rights activists said Monday. http://tinyurl.com/276la2g Hi Leland, Your part of the message indicates that you believe it is true. But is there proof? If so, it would call for regime change. China is a Communist country with a population of 1,337,170,000 people. She is second only to the USA in military spending and has 2,255,000 active military personnel, 800,000 active military reserve, and 4,000,000 active paramilitary units. Under Communism there is a single class of people and the state owns all property. China is a one party country. The Communist Party is that one party and they run everything. Communism stresses harmony by enforcing absolute conformity within the people. You say regime change. I don't think so. LOL There was a movement back in the late 80s by university students to democratize China, but it was crushed like everything and everybody else that does not conform. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd76258.5010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
The stockholders got screwed in the GM bankruptcy, (eg chapter 11, reorganization). The stockholders were essentially wiped out. The GM labor union probably came out better than anyone else, as the GM pension liability was exchanged for stock in the new GM. Essentially all other debt of the old GM, including mortgages, bonds, notes, etc, were exchanged for equity, (eg stock), in the new GM. I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. The problems experienced by Toyota and other foreign automakers couldn't have come at a better time, which has to make one wonder weather its was all a coincidence, especially since the USA Federal Government became the major stockholder in the new GM, (eg 60% equity for 30 billion). LOL http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/05/19/30-investors-poised-to-lose-the-most-on-gm.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/02/AR2009060203217.html http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/president-obama-we-are-reluctant-shareholders-with-gm.html http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/05/19/30-investors-poised-to-lose-the-most-on-gm.html Regards, LelandJ On 04/24/2010 01:19 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: It repaid the government loans with... government money. IOW, it's a joke. - Publius On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Carl Lindnerc...@bdos.com wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd35b61.4070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
On 04/24/2010 07:46 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. If we really wanted an industrial base, we'd do away with the income tax altogether, re-institute the ad-valorum tariff revenue system, applicable to all articles of foreign manufacture, and eliminate capital gains taxes on investments in American labor. The USA cannot isolate itself economically from the rest of the world. We are part of a global economy, so if you're looking to build a utopia, you must build it globally. Bastiat understood the harm of tariffs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat Free trade would mean, as it used to mean, joining the Union as a state (with all the Constitutional rights and responsibilities thereof). Things we different then. People were different. Economies were different. In the early days after the 13 colonies/states joined together into the United States of America, there was no global economy, no international communications via cell phones, internet, land lines, no international air travel, no international air transport or shipping. The world has change since 1776. But we want a one-world, ecumenical union of the peoples of the world, to quote Bastiat, so, consequently, America (and every other nation-state) must be destroyed. Countries around the would have evolved ecumenically over the last 500 years, especially economically, and I expect the trend will continue. Bastiat was ahead of his time and had a greater influence on American economics, than in his home country of France. Quoting Gastiat without the full content in which the quote appeared can greatly misrepresent his message/lessons/thinking. And this is what is happening, all the world over. Yes, speaking broadly, countries and economies are gowning more ecumenical. All that is lacking is a world currency. Then, the Tower of Babel 2.0 will be complete. As if Babel 2.0 has any better chance of success. - Publius ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd3c052.9050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Greenspan deflects blame for crisis
Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve Chairman, defends himself beautifully before the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission. From the New York Times: #-- Thursday, April 8, 2010 Greenspan deflects blame for crisis http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/08/greenspan-links-fannie-freddie-to-crisis/?utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=newsletter_must-read-stories-today# By Patrice Hill Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan on Wednesday testified that mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac played a critical role in fostering an explosion of growth in the subprime-mortgage market that led to the global financial crisis. In his first appearance officially defending his own role in the crisis before the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, Mr. Greenspan deflected the blame from himself and the central bank - which had broad but largely unused authority to regulate banks and the mortgage market - while giving voice to long-standing charges by Republicans that congressional meddling with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was a critical factor in the run-up to the crisis that brought down the global economy in the fall of 2008. Fannie and Freddie, while under strict federal control since a government takeover in September 2008, have escaped efforts at reform in Congress, though they are fast becoming the biggest beneficiaries of taxpayer bailouts with $125 billion in cash infusions so far. Moreover, their growing and potentially unlimited liabilities are not likely to be recovered through repayments like those from big banks and Wall Street firms in the past year. In detailing the role of the mortgage monoliths in the crisis, Mr. Greenspan pointed to the mandates Fannie and Freddie received in 2000 from Congress and the Clinton-era Housing and Urban Development Department to make housing more affordable to minorities and people with blemished credit by using their vast resources to purchase more subprime-mortgage securities. As the mortgage giants started to scarf up the subprime securities, much of which had been engineered by Wall Street firms to earn AAA ratings, the subprime market grew rapidly. It burgeoned from less than 2.5 percent of the mortgage market in 2000 to encompass 40 percent of Fannie's and Freddie's more than $5 trillion mortgage portfolios by 2004, Mr. Greenspan said. The enormous appetite for subprime mortgages that Fannie and Freddie brought to the market is the reason that interest rates on mortgages fell so dramatically in the mid-2000s and many exotic and risky loans were created to satisfy the heightened demand for mortgage investments, Mr. Greenspan said. That, in turn, gave birth to the most abusive loans with low initial teaser rates and no requirements for down payments or income documentation. A significant proportion of the increased demand for subprime-mortgage-backed securities during the years 2003 to 2004 was effectively politically mandated, he said, adding that the full extent of the mortgage enterprises' investments in risky loans was not known until September, when a large portion of what had been classified as prime mortgages in their portfolios was revealed to be subprime. While much of the riskiest subprime securities were purchased directly from Wall Street by European investment funds drawn by high yields and low default rates during the housing boom, Fannie and Freddie proved to be the best conduit for rapidly growing demand from more conservative investors in Asia for U.S. mortgage investments. Fannie and Freddie first issued their own debt, which had an implicit government guarantee that appealed to the Asian investors, and then used the cash to invest in subprime loans, in a process that Mr. Greenspan often criticized at the time as over-acquisitiveness aimed at dominating the mortgage market. The subprime market grew rapidly in response, he said, and subprime loan standards deteriorated rapidly, worsening an investment bubble that was already developing in the housing market. Mr. Greenspan, whose views are still closely followed in financial markets though he left the Fed more than four years ago, spurned repeated assertions by members of the commission that the Fed's own low interest rate policies in 2003 were what nurtured the housing bubble. The house-price bubble, the most prominent global bubble in generations, was engendered by low interest rates, he said, but it was long-term rates that galvanized prices, not the overnight rates of central banks. Long-term rates are largely set in global financial markets and reflect investors' demand for Treasury bonds and competing instruments, such as Fannie and Freddie mortgage bonds. As the housing bubble was building in the mid-2000s, Mr. Greenspan frequently noted a conundrum that long-term rates were inexplicably low, did not seem to reflect the increasing risks of bond investments
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 11:39 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: Great youtube with a couple of singing, Religious Righter, prayer warriors, probably enlisted in Pat Robertson's, Army for a Theocratic America; has to be right; because, Religious Righters can't be wrong. LOL Language lesson with respect to adjectives, with a theological tie-in: There is stupid. There is stupider (the comparative form of stupid). There is also stupidest (the superlative form of stupid). And then there's LelandJ (the profoxitive form of stupid). I mean this only in the clinical sense of a grammarian, not as a statement of judgment. Leland and I are, after all, friends. Indeed, speaking theologically, I have no doubt that God delights profoundly in Leland, if only because in Leland God has created something beyond the superlative degree, if you can get your head around that. :) - Publius superlative degree Thanks, I think? Regards, LelandJ Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbf3c8c.1040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 09:06 AM, Publius Maximus wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W57aBMYKvU - - - - Publius Great youtube with a couple of singing, Religious Righter, prayer warriors, probably enlisted in Pat Robertson's, Army for a Theocratic America; has to be right; because, Religious Righters can't be wrong. LOL Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbdfa0a.8090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
Sure, there are plenty of open minded, God loving, Christians LEFT in America, but two many close minded American can't see it; because, they feel they are Right about everything. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 04/08/2010 11:03 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: Are there any real religious people who are LEFT, besides Satan? --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: From: Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:45 AM On 04/08/2010 09:06 AM, Publius Maximus wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W57aBMYKvU - - - - Publius Great youtube with a couple of singing, Religious Righter, prayer warriors, probably enlisted in Pat Robertson's, Army for a Theocratic America; has to be right; because, Religious Righters can't be wrong. LOL Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe0028.9070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Job Creation Basics
The following is from the New York Times: # Editorial Job Creation Basics Published: April 7, 2010 We couldn't agree more. The question is whether Congress will do what is needed. The job situation is dire. But Republicans have apparently decided that grandstanding about the deficit is more important. President Obama recently noted that, by itself, government cannot replace the 8.2 million jobs lost over the past two years. What government can do, he said, is help to create the conditions for renewed hiring. The economy added 162,000 jobs in March, a welcome gain after more than two years of nearly uninterrupted losses. But unemployment remained stuck at 9.7 percent. And without more government support, it is unlikely to fall much anytime soon. Most of March's job gains were temporary positions with the Census Bureau or in the private sector. The Census Bureau will keep hiring for a while, but the jobs will end by the fall. Private-sector temporary jobs won't become permanent unless employers see steady economic growth, which is far from assured as stimulus spending fades later this year. Perhaps most destabilizing, upcoming budget cuts by recession-battered states will lead to more job losses. As states try to close their deficits with tax increases, consumers cut back on their spending, which harms businesses and hiring. As states cut spending, there is less business for private-sector contractors and more layoffs of government employees. Already in March, state and local governments shed 9,000 jobs. That is why it is so critical to extend unemployment benefits through the end of the year and get more aid to states. Jobless benefits are the most powerful way to bolster waning demand during times of high unemployment. State aid also flows quickly to contractors, employees and beneficiaries, whose spending then supports jobs. The House recently passed a one-month extension of expiring federal unemployment benefits. Before the Senate left town for spring break, Tom Coburn, a Republican of Oklahoma, blocked the extension, saying that it should be paid for with other budget cuts. The House and Senate have already passed bills with a more generous extension and increased aid to the states. But they have been slow to finalize legislation and there are worrying signs that Mr. Coburn's arguments are gaining ground throughout his caucus. Make no mistake, the deficit is a serious problem that must be addressed in the medium term. The economy needs to be bolstered now. Congress also must increase aid to small business. The Treasury should also redeploy bank bailout money for small business loans. And legislation is also needed to reinforce spending on infrastructure and clean energy, and create public jobs, especially summer youth jobs. Teen unemployment is currently 26 percent. Mr. Obama is right that the government needs to do more to create the conditions for more hiring. But being right about the policy isn't enough. He needs to get the politics right. Americans are nervous about the deficit, and so far the Republicans are carrying the debate. The president needs to make the case to the public that without more emergency aid to jobless workers and hard-pressed states, unemployment will remain unacceptably high. And that will be bad news for all Americans. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/opinion/08thu1.html?themc=th # Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe042f.5040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 11:20 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Great youtube with a couple of singing, Religious Righter, prayer warriors, probably enlisted in Pat Robertson's, Army for a Theocratic America; has to be right; because, Religious Righters can't be wrong. LOL My oh my what a load of pearls of wisdom. I hope you don't mind my finishing your thought. LOL The youtube was a load . . . of disinformation taken out of context to stir FUD against President Obama within religious fundamentalists and evangelicals. Religious fundamentalists and evangelicals are a large voting block, and have, over the last 20 or so years, been steered by leaders like Pat Robertson, John Hagee and many others in these religious camps to support Republican candidates. Religious fundamentalists and evangelicals are becoming increasing politically active in their effort to place greater and greater religious influence into government here in the USA. This should not be taken very seriously; because, it could have serious repercussions down the road that diminish American constitutional freedoms. Regards, LelandJ A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe0a95.3010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 11:55 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: This should not be taken very seriously; because, it could have serious repercussions down the road that diminish American constitutional freedoms Whoops, the above should read: This should be taken very seriously; because, it could have serious repercussions down the road that diminish American constitutional freedoms. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe0b5e.4090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
I can understand you're condemning those who have an abortion, but that's not the issue. The issue is whether the choice should be in the hands of a cold, inflexible, inanimate state per written law, or the choice should be in the hands of a potential mother with support coming form government, church, parents, friends, and others who can advise and educate. BTW, you need to work harder on your becoming more forgiving. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 04/08/2010 12:01 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Sure, the Christians who support abortion, they're real Christians. --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: From: Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:11 PM Sure, there are plenty of open minded, God loving, Christians LEFT in America, but two many close minded American can't see it; because, they feel they are Right about everything. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 04/08/2010 11:03 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: Are there any real religious people who are LEFT, besides Satan? --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: From: Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:45 AM On 04/08/2010 09:06 AM, Publius Maximus wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W57aBMYKvU - - - - Publius Great youtube with a couple of singing, Religious Righter, prayer warriors, probably enlisted in Pat Robertson's, Army for a Theocratic America; has to be right; because, Religious Righters can't be wrong. LOL Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe0ecf.7060...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
Many religious groups in America today are really political action committees, (eg PACs), masquerading under protections afford churches. I've read the Bible, and its not about politics, its about saving sinner, forgiveness of sins through repentance, and overcoming death to have everlasting life through Jesus Christ, Gods only son, who was sacrificed for the sins of the world. Its about God's Kingdom, not politics. Regards, LelandJ On 04/08/2010 12:08 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: Are there any real religious people who are LEFT, besides Satan? Why do you confuse a Love of God with politics? Jesus has many confrontations with people who are so caught up in the Law. My point is that these people couldn't see the point and became frustrated when he didn't follow their model or dream of what a Messiah should be. The leaders of our country are in a similar state, except there is no prophet in the center of the conversation just stupidity. Neither side will listen to the other. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe10ce.1070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 12:32 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: There is no way a person can support abortion and call himself a Christian. Support abortion is a misnomer. Abortion is the act that is to be applied to individual people. You shouldn't condemn abortion per say, but you might condemn an individual that performs abortion without good cause, for example. There are minimum requirements for being a Christian, and killing babies pretty much disqualifies you. The Bible has little to say about abortion, much less that anyone that commits abortion has sinned, (eg Thou shall not commit abortion is not one of the commandment from God, for example), but you seem to be saying abortion is an unforgivable sin. Can you point me to any authoritative source for your position? --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Stephen Russellsrussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russellsrussell...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:08 PM On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: Are there any real religious people who are LEFT, besides Satan? Why do you confuse a Love of God with politics? Jesus has many confrontations with people who are so caught up in the Law. My point is that these people couldn't see the point and became frustrated when he didn't follow their model or dream of what a Messiah should be. The leaders of our country are in a similar state, except there is no prophet in the center of the conversation just stupidity. Neither side will listen to the other. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer CIMSgts 901.246-0159 cell [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe16fb.1020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 12:30 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: I think he was calling you a load of crap, Leland. Jean was obviously referring to what I said, rather than to me personally. Your comment on the other hand is definitely referring to me personally. LOL Regards, LelandJ --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: From: Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:55 PM On 04/08/2010 11:20 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Great youtube with a couple of singing, Religious Righter, prayer warriors, probably enlisted in Pat Robertson's, Army for a Theocratic America; has to be right; because, Religious Righters can't be wrong. LOL My oh my what a load of pearls of wisdom. I hope you don't mind my finishing your thought. LOL The youtube was a load . . . of disinformation taken out of context to stir FUD against President Obama within religious fundamentalists and evangelicals. Religious fundamentalists and evangelicals are a large voting block, and have, over the last 20 or so years, been steered by leaders like Pat Robertson, John Hagee and many others in these religious camps to support Republican candidates. Religious fundamentalists and evangelicals are becoming increasing politically active in their effort to place greater and greater religious influence into government here in the USA. This should not be taken very seriously; because, it could have serious repercussions down the road that diminish American constitutional freedoms. Regards, LelandJ A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe1877.9070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 04/08/2010 12:59 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 04/08/2010 12:30 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: I think he was calling you a load of crap, Leland. Jean was obviously referring to what I said, rather than to me personally. Your comment on the other hand is definitely referring to me personally. LOL I was oc referring to that stupid you tube thingie. I agree with you completely. Regards, LelandJ A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe19fc.4000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 04/08/2010 01:06 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: On 04/08/2010 12:59 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 04/08/2010 12:30 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: I think he was calling you a load of crap, Leland. Jean was obviously referring to what I said, rather than to me personally. Your comment on the other hand is definitely referring to me personally. LOL I was oc referring to that stupid you tube thingie. I agree with you completely. Hi Leland, Like I said, lighten up. You laughed and laughed when they picked on Bush. My reaction to the youtube didn't seem so heavy to me, that I should lighten up, as you say. My reply was a satire with some undertones regarding political activity within the religious fundamentalist and evangelical camps. If the song were performed in a church, it could jeopardize the church's charter, but this is a free country, and anyone can post a youtube video with a couple of hicks singing a song in their house, I suppose. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe21ff.6050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 01:35 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: On 04/08/2010 01:06 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: On 04/08/2010 12:59 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA lela...@mail.smvfp.comwrote: On 04/08/2010 12:30 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: I think he was calling you a load of crap, Leland. Jean was obviously referring to what I said, rather than to me personally. Your comment on the other hand is definitely referring to me personally. LOL I was oc referring to that stupid you tube thingie. I agree with you completely. Hi Leland, Like I said, lighten up. You laughed and laughed when they picked on Bush. My reaction to the youtube didn't seem so heavy to me, that I should lighten up, as you say. My reply was a satire with some undertones regarding political activity within the religious fundamentalist and evangelical camps. If the song were performed in a church, it could jeopardize the church's charter, but this is a free country, and anyone can post a youtube video with a couple of hicks singing a song in their house, I suppose. Regards, LelandJ OK, perhaps I did overreact; because, I do have a problem big problem with the political action taking place in certain religious arenas today. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe23dc.9030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us...
On 04/08/2010 01:59 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: I can understand you're condemning those who have an abortion, but that's not the issue. The issue is whether the choice should be in the hands of a cold, inflexible, inanimate state per written law, or the choice should be in the hands of a potential mother with support coming form government, church, parents, friends, and others who can advise and educate. BTW, you need to work harder on your becoming more forgiving. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 04/08/2010 12:01 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Sure, the Christians who support abortion, they're real Christians. --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: From: Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:11 PM Sure, there are plenty of open minded, God loving, Christians LEFT in America, but two many close minded American can't see it; because, they feel they are Right about everything. LOL Hummm. let's see, a lot to say here. i) Dimwit here implies left=abortion. With that realistic conception of politics one understands where the rest of his stupid political remarks come from. Yes, Michael seemed to be implying the LEFT supports abortion, which is not only not true, but fails to speak to the real issue of who has the choice; state or individual person. ii) God grants us free will, that means that you are ALLOWED BY GOD to sin, kill babies or whatever. He'll send you to hell later (unless you repent), but you are allowed to do it (of course this stems from god's omnipotence, you can do nothing without god knowing and allowing). There are a few matters you didn't touch on like at what point does life begin during a pregnacy, what circumstance, like rape, incess, or danger to life of mother, create exceptions to the rules, and where do we go to find authoritative evidence where God has specifically spoken to the issue of abortion, and whether God forbids it or no. So obviously god has nothing to say about how the state should punish or not abortion, nothing to do with religion, all to do with what is good for society as a whole. The issue of abortion seems to revolve around religion, regardless of whether the individual or state makes the choice, (eg free choice or not free choice). Abortion could be a societal issue as well, if, for example, abortion were needed to control population growth, or if societal efforts to control the crime of abortion, including housing the guilty parties in a penal system, became to complex and expensive. Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe31ec.1090...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 04/08/2010 03:05 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: i) Dimwit here implies left=abortion. With that realistic conception of politics one understands where the rest of his stupid political remarks come from. Yes, Michael seemed to be implying the LEFT supports abortion, which is not only not true, but fails to speak to the real issue of who has the choice; state or individual person. Where did I suggest I was talking about Michael? :-P ii) God grants us free will, that means that you are ALLOWED BY GOD to sin, kill babies or whatever. He'll send you to hell later (unless you repent), but you are allowed to do it (of course this stems from god's omnipotence, you can do nothing without god knowing and allowing). There are a few matters you didn't touch on like at what point does life begin during a pregnacy, what circumstance, like rape, incess, or danger to life of mother, create exceptions to the rules, and where do we go to find authoritative evidence where God has specifically spoken to the issue of abortion, and whether God forbids it or no. I seem to remember once in this list talking about the 1st commandment Thou shalt not kill, me saying that you could not be a soldier and christian at the same time and Minimus (I think) telling me the original word referred to killing not sanctioned by society or something similar. So if there was a law allowing abortion, according to Minimus having an abortion would not go against the 1st commandment, therefore not a sin. ;c) So obviously god has nothing to say about how the state should punish or not abortion, nothing to do with religion, all to do with what is good for society as a whole. The issue of abortion seems to revolve around religion, regardless of whether the individual or state makes the choice, (eg free choice or not free choice). Abortion could be a societal issue as well, if, for example, abortion were needed to control population growth, or if societal efforts to control the crime of abortion, including housing the guilty parties in a penal system, became to complex and expensive. Not merely so. In this country higher class women have no issue with abortion allowance or not. They can always go to an expensive clinic or travel abroad, and have an abortion without concern for the law. Problem here is that low income women who get pregnant and cannot raise the child have no way out and end up doing it themselves or going to some not very professional places to have an abortion performed. Obviously we have a high mortality between these women. If you look it from the POV of society, it is not convenient. If you look at it from the POV of religion, instead of one death you have two, and besides the mother dying in sin without opportunity to repent. Whereas if society allowed abortion, religion could always convince the woman not to perform it, and in case that was not possible, try and save the woman's soul later by urging her to repent. The babies soul from the POV of religion is already saved. And if we consider religion is here to save souls and not bodies I agree that a law making abortion illegal would become the problem, instead of helping the individual woman. I think the religious community is reluctant to drop the issue; because, its so easy to play on societies sentiments surrounding the abortion issue to gain advantage politically, financially, or to attack enemies by portraying them as supporter of abortion. Regards, LelandJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe3b61.3030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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The 6th commandment, (eg thou shall not kill), was intended to address the unlawful, willful, premeditated, wrongful taking of someone's life, who was living as a fully functioning independent member of the general population. It was not intended to address issue surrounding pregnancy. Regards, LelandJ On 04/08/2010 03:20 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: thou shall not kill. --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: From: Leland F. Jackson, CPAlela...@mail.smvfp.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:48 PM On 04/08/2010 12:32 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: There is no way a person can support abortion and call himself a Christian. Support abortion is a misnomer. Abortion is the act that is to be applied to individual people. You shouldn't condemn abortion per say, but you might condemn an individual that performs abortion without good cause, for example. There are minimum requirements for being a Christian, and killing babies pretty much disqualifies you. The Bible has little to say about abortion, much less that anyone that commits abortion has sinned, (eg Thou shall not commit abortion is not one of the commandment from God, for example), but you seem to be saying abortion is an unforgivable sin. Can you point me to any authoritative source for your position? --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Stephen Russellsrussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russellsrussell...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] You picked a fine time to lead us... To: ProFox Email Listprofox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:08 PM On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: Are there any real religious people who are LEFT, besides Satan? Why do you confuse a Love of God with politics? Jesus has many confrontations with people who are so caught up in the Law. My point is that these people couldn't see the point and became frustrated when he didn't follow their model or dream of what a Messiah should be. The leaders of our country are in a similar state, except there is no prophet in the center of the conversation just stupidity. Neither side will listen to the other. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer CIMSgts 901.246-0159 cell [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbe4243.1030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] The case of the disappearing and reappearing Foxpro job
On 04/06/2010 08:45 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Whern it destroys the econmy tha( kreps our country and ourt towns runnming there is no quesdtiopn in my mind Hi Virgil, What? Visiting in person with Leland? HaHaaHaaaHa. Good One. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bbb51f1.9000...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
