Re: Need Arguments for qmail
Jason Radford wrote: Recently switching from sendmail to qmail I have observed the difference in architecture between the two. The modularization of qmail appeals to me in both simplicity and elegance, and it's superiority was evident in my smtp benchmarking between the two MTAs. The only thing I miss from an admin standpoint is the readability of sendmail's logs vs. qmail/multilog. While I fully understand the justification of qmail's logging structure because of it's modularization, I am still left somewhat longing for a more readable logfile. Possibly over time I will develop a better skill for reading these logs, but for now that's my only concern since switching. There may be tools to aid in this, however out of the box this doesnt seem to be the cause. Hi, One thing that makes the logfile a bit easier to read is to change the time to human readable format like this: tail -f /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal or this cat /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal | less If you've installed the daemontools? package, then you should have tai64nlocal in /usr/local/bin. It would be nice to have a script that you could look at log files with, that would put the delivery in subsequent lines and strip out some of the garbage. That shouldn't be too hard to write for a good perl coder... Regards, Mike
email to fax machine
Hi all, We just bought one fax machine (Brothers MFC8600). By default users just can send fax by send email to this fax machine. Email address for the fax machine is [EMAIL PROTECTED] But the format to fax is to send email to fax@mycompany(fax#1234567) (This format worked with MS Exchange server) So the fax machine will fax the email to the fax no. which is 1234567 So the problem is our mail server (qmail of course) cannot recognize this kind of format. If I send an email using that format, I'll get an error message failure: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_mycompany(fax#1234567)._(#5.1.2)/ Anybody has an idea to solve this? TQ in advance.
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
* Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010221 03:19]: cat /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal | less http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/unix/award.html
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
At 03:47 AM 21-02-2001 -0500, Robin S. Socha wrote: * Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010221 03:19]: cat /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal | less http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/unix/award.html Off topic but I still prefer using cat even for single files because a typo has less severe effects. So do I get a lifetime award ;)? Cheerio, Link.
Re: djbcron
Michael Handler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone wrote: Wishlist: a djb replacement for Vixie cron. Posit: he already has. user@hypothetical$ cat /service/logrotate/run #!/bin/sh logrotation commands exec /bin/sleep 86400 Nothing hypothetical about it. I have been running a couple of frequently used services like that for about a year. $ cat /var/service/adm-exec/run #!/bin/sh /usr/local/admdb/adm-exec 21 exec sleep 300 It's not a replacement for cron jobs that need to run at a specified time of day, but I find it handy for jobs that need to run regularly and reliably. -- Frank Cringle, [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (+49 7745) 928759; fax: 928761
dotforward on solaris
Hi all, I have installed qmail and dotforward on a Solaris8. Works fine except for one user. He uses Mailbox delivery and his home is mounted via NFS (not a good thing, I know). His .forward contains two lines: phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED] The remote delivery works, but the qmail-local process goes defunct after a few seconds of doing nothing. I can kill -9 it, which gives the following log entry: Feb 21 10:55:09 nathan qmail: 982749309.636515 delivery 69: deferral: dot-forward:_info:_qp_7730/File_has_been_locked_for_30_seconds_straight._(#4.3.0)/ I have checked quotas, permissons on Mailbox, .forward and tried delivery to another user with the same setup, which worked fine. Any ideas? tia, -- Oliver Koch Systems Administrator Computational Mathematics Optimization Institute of Analysis Johannes Kepler University LinzAustria [EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel. +43 70 2468 9166
qmail Digest 21 Feb 2001 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1282
qmail Digest 21 Feb 2001 11:00:01 - Issue 1282 Topics (messages 57606 through 57675): Re: Mail delivery problems. 57606 by: Anurag Jalan Re: Virtual Domains 57607 by: Charrua modifying script? 57608 by: Bill Parker Re: rcphosts? 57609 by: Frank Tegtmeyer Re: warning: trouble opening remote/4/r 57610 by: Charles Cazabon 57667 by: flint Suppressing Bounce Messages 57611 by: Manvendra Bhangui 57612 by: Johan Almqvist 57613 by: Matthew Patterson 1 host with several hostnames 57614 by: Massimo Quintini 57619 by: Charles Cazabon Assistance reading mail headers 57615 by: George Garvey 57618 by: Peter van Dijk Please Help Me Test My AV SW 57616 by: jsunday.parview.com unable to establish an smtp connection 57617 by: Mark Lo 57620 by: Charles Cazabon 57622 by: Mark Lo 57628 by: schoon.amgt.com 57629 by: schoon.amgt.com 57636 by: Mark Lo How do I unsubscribe 57621 by: Shane Wise 57668 by: Sumith Ail badrcptto 57623 by: Alex Kramarov (OT) DJB-itization 57624 by: [gill] 57625 by: Carl 57626 by: Charles Cazabon 57652 by: Robin S. Socha 57654 by: Henning Brauer 57655 by: Peter Cavender 57665 by: Carl qmail smtp 57627 by: Pablo Martin De Natale Re: Ezmlm capacity 57630 by: Charles Cazabon The Same email keeps getting sent to qmail 57631 by: Kep Brown Listen only to One ethernet Card 57632 by: Mark Lo 57634 by: Henning Brauer Cannot receive mail from other mail server 57633 by: kali 57638 by: Kris Kelley queue keeping messages 57635 by: Karen 57640 by: Charles Cazabon 57647 by: Karen 57648 by: Jeremy Anttila Re: Mail hub for relay and outgoing only - no local 57637 by: Dave Sill Re: queue is not going down... 57639 by: Dave Sill Re: outgoing messages 57641 by: Dave Sill Re: pop3 dying 57642 by: Dave Sill unable to recieve remote mail 57643 by: Webmaster 57644 by: Kris Kelley 57646 by: Henning Brauer 57650 by: Sean Escriva 57651 by: Kris Kelley 57653 by: Charles Cazabon Followup: badrcptto 57645 by: Alex Kramarov Receipts... 57649 by: Lukasz Felsztukier Need Arguments for qmail 57656 by: Peter Cavender 57659 by: Kyle 57666 by: Jason Radford 57669 by: Mike Jackson 57672 by: Robin S. Socha 57673 by: Lincoln Yeoh Local Deliveries Slow 57657 by: Manvendra Bhangui tcpserver prints to console!?! 57658 by: Paul Farber 57660 by: Andy Bradford how to hide the alias-user_name 57661 by: keng heng multilog not getting messages? 57662 by: Paul Farber one user handling hundreds of virtual domains 57663 by: Winifred Sanchez 57664 by: Alex Pennace djbcron 57670 by: Michael Handler 57674 by: Frank D. Cringle email to fax machine 57671 by: Ami Shamril dotforward on solaris 57675 by: Oliver Koch Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To bug my human owner, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To post to the list, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks ..that did it !!! Now all i need ( oops ! ) to do is to get qmail to use my ISP's SMTP server ... Do I create /var/qmail/control/smptproutes with the ISP's smptp IP ? Or is ~defaulthost the appropriate file ? regards Anurag - Original Message - From: "Adam Andrzej Jaworski" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Anurag Jalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Mail delivery problems. Hi, 1) 'Life with qmail' is excellent but try http://www.flounder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html it is my favourite HOWTO (thaaanks to Adam McKenna) 2) Unable_to_open_./Maildir:_is_a_directory._(#4.2.1) / error means that either you have bad Maildir structure or missing slash after ./Maildir/ in rc file so, make sure you have there something like: SNIP Yes, the other way is to use /var/qmail/controls/assign file... I posted instructions how to use this file: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:42:07 +0100 Subject: Re: How to set up qmail for several "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? so You can check it out Hi, thank you for the information. In this sense I would like to make two queries: Is the assign file cumulative? That is to say do I have to keep on adding users in this file or after creating the database for the assign file I should create a new assign file? Is this procedure compatible with the type of Add-ons of the vpopmail or
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
"Robin S. Socha" wrote: * Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010221 03:19]: cat /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal | less http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/unix/award.html This is off-topic for this list, but since you mentioned it: This is not useless usage of cat. There has to be three processes to pipe the log file through tai64nlocal without it flying by like an F14. If somebody knows how to do this with only two processes, then enlighten me. if you give: less /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal it flies by ... Regards, Mike
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 01:32:17PM +0200, Mike Jackson wrote: "Robin S. Socha" wrote: * Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010221 03:19]: cat /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal | less http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/unix/award.html This is off-topic for this list, but since you mentioned it: This is not useless usage of cat. There has to be three processes to pipe the log file through tai64nlocal without it flying by like an F14. If somebody knows how to do this with only two processes, then enlighten me. if you give: less /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal it flies by ... Regards, Mike I don't have any logs to try it on but I imagine something like this would work fine: tai64nlocal /var/log/qmail/current | less --Carl-- PGP signature
Resend (No Reply) !!
Hi, How to tell qmail only listen to one sigle interface. for example, eth0="203.122.222.222" eth0:0="203.122.222.223" How to tell qmail to use eth0 only for incoming and outgoing connections ?? Thank You Mark
Re: Resend (No Reply) !!
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:57:43PM +0800, Mark Lo wrote: Hi, How to tell qmail only listen to one sigle interface. for example, eth0="203.122.222.222" eth0:0="203.122.222.223" How to tell qmail to use eth0 only for incoming and outgoing connections ?? I answered. If you are posting to the list you should be subscribed. And resends are useless, if nobody answered the first time nobody will answer the second time. incoming: man tcpserver outgoing: AFAIK impossible without patching qmail-remote.c Thank You Mark -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg http://www.bsws.de | Germany
Re: Mail delivery problems.
just replace defaultdelivery with "/Maildir/ and dont forget trailing "/" , also check the owner and permission of users home directory as well as Maildir hope this helps Prashant Desai Anurag Jalan wrote: Hi all, I recently removed Sendmail 8.9.3 from my Redhat 6.2 system and installed Qmail 1.03 following instructions from 'Life with qmail'. Aim : To allow 20 odd users on the intranet to access their email from various POP3 accounts on different servers and to allow them to send local email to each other. Setup : caching DNS setup for a fictitious domain adventus.cxm . FQDN of local server is server.adventus.cxm . qmail-pop3d setup through tcpserver as advised . Russell Nelson's script used to convert /var/spool/mail to Maildir mailboxes fetchmail run via script as user 'anurag' ( was working under Sendmail ) as a cronjob ( every 3 minutes ) . Added 'forcecr to * here ' to .fetchmailrc . in the rc script ..in the qmail-start line i have ' defaultdelivery splogger qmail' defaultdelivery has been set to ./Maildir I have found the following error in /var/log/maillog Unable_to_open_./Maildir:_is_a_directory._(#4.2.1) / Any help would be *very* welcome . Sincerely Anurag
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 01:48:46PM +0200, Mike Jackson wrote: Carl wrote: I don't have any logs to try it on but I imagine something like this would work fine: tai64nlocal /var/log/qmail/current | less --Carl-- Yep, that works. Thanks.. Heh, cool. Just a guess. --Carl-- PGP signature
Re: (OT) DJB-itization
I should loudly proclaim that I am NOT a software developer, nor do I play one on TV or any mailing list. The things I think are my ideas which are subject to change. Healthy, constructive discussions which may change them are strongly encouraged. That said, these are some of my thoughts about this subject... After reading DJB's both distribution policy and his ideas about filesystem hierarchy, I think it can work with or without his blessing (of course it would be preferred!). I got the idea thinking of the original BSD tapes and how they were essentially aftermarket upgrades to the ATT UNIX distributed to them. Maybe it would be easiest to distribute something like FreeBSD's ports ... something that does a default install without modifying the basic installation of DJB's tools (per the license) and then scripts the necessary changes in the _OS_ to implement that tool, and then adds in anything to keep that change in place (such as the makefiles mentioned below). I think that if this was going to be done right, it would fully implement DJB's ideas about filesystem hierarchy and all of the tools he has created so far. This would give the world a chance to see the vision that DJB sees, perhaps. Is there a better list to discuss this than the qmail list? --gill Remember? When you said: -On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:13:36AM +0100, Robin S. Socha wrote: - * Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - Soon I'll do it, I'm hyped about the idea, it'd be cool if some - people talked more about the idea, i.e. what would they want in it. - - Wishlist: a djb replacement for Vixie cron. Especially topical at the - moment. - - But it won't happen without DJB changing his distribution policy. - man hier and his software don't match. This is particularly annoying if - you do cvsups and make world with sendmail, named etc. Oh well... - -Robin, I've just posted modified makefiles for your favorite OS to avoid -this to misc@ ;-)) - -(it's OpenBSD, for the other readers) - - -
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
Carl wrote: I don't have any logs to try it on but I imagine something like this would work fine: tai64nlocal /var/log/qmail/current | less --Carl-- Yep, that works. Thanks.. Mike
Qmail Tests
Hello I've tested my qmail system with the following two perl scripts, downloaded from www.qmail.org perl qmail-qsanity-0_52 did not display anything does that mean..that my Qmail Queue system is set right. or what does it really mean. perl qmail-lint-0_55Warning: users/assign checking not implemented. What does that warning mean...Is it really bad? what can i do to make this error disppear. I've installed Qmail from RPMS at www.qmail.org Regards Sumith
Re: (OT) DJB-itization
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:10:52AM -0500, [gill] wrote: Is there a better list to discuss this than the qmail list? Perhaps misc? [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Carl-- http://slackerbsd.org PGP signature
Re: (OT) DJB-itization
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:38:20AM -0500, Carl wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:10:52AM -0500, [gill] wrote: Is there a better list to discuss this than the qmail list? Perhaps misc? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps slashpackage? http://cr.yp.to/lists.html . -- Joost
Re: Resend (No Reply) !!
Hi, I have already done so. my script is following life with qmail, I replace 0 with my smtp server ip address. It seems only bind qmail to use that specific IP address for incoming connection only. But for outgoing connections, qmail uses all the interface randomly that I have on my machine. Any cues !!! Thank you Mark
Re: Resend (No Reply) !!
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:20:00PM +0800, Mark Lo wrote: Hi, I have already done so. my script is following life with qmail, I replace 0 with my smtp server ip address. It seems only bind qmail to use that specific IP address for incoming connection only. Of course. As I've written. But for outgoing connections, qmail uses all the interface randomly that I have on my machine. That depends on your routing and has nothing to do with qmail. You cannot specifiy an ip to bound to for qmail-remote as i have written. -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg http://www.bsws.de | Germany
Re: Resend (No Reply) !!
* Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010221 14:47]: But for outgoing connections, qmail uses all the interface randomly that I have on my machine. That depends on your routing and has nothing to do with qmail. You cannot specifiy an ip to bound to for qmail-remote as i have written. And the patches would be at http://www.qmail.org/local-bind/ http://www.qmail.org/outgoingip.patch http://www.lamer.de/maex/creative/software/qmail/ http://tycho.edico.si/linuxtnt/#qmail-patch -Johan, helping Henning to mouth-feed info :-/ -- Johan Almqvist http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/ PGP signature
Re: Fw: Re: warning: trouble opening remote/4/r
flint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today,I saw there were many messages like this in the maillog: 982653149.920320 warning: trouble opening remote/4/r Your queue is corrupt. Did you manually remove any messages from the queue? Get qmail-queuefix from www.qmail.org to fix this. Thank you. I have really removed the queue. But i have backuped them. Now which is better,override the queue with the backed queue or using the queue-fix to fix them. You can either use queue-fix to replace/fix the (non-existent?) queue, or restore from your backups and THEN use queue-fix to fix the queue. You can't just restore from tape; files in the queue are named based on the inodes they reside on. Restoring from tape will completely mess this up. queue-fix will rename all the files to match properly. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Remote CC
Why I get one remote process for each address in a CC, if they are in the same domain ? Ex: TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get this message delivered 4 times to the same host, x.com. Any suggestions ? Nilo
Re: (OT) DJB-itization
Hello Carl On 21-Feb-01, you wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:10:52AM -0500, [gill] wrote: Is there a better list to discuss this than the qmail list? Perhaps misc? [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Carl-- http://slackerbsd.org Yes, I mentioned this to DJB as well. I think I said advocacy but a way to get all the djb program promotion and discussion on file system layout out of the way of this list which is basically support. Never heard anything and as far as I am aware, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] don't exist. A pity, as they are needed to push these, what if, discussions off this list. Regards...Martin -- --- As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. == Weisert
Re: Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying which is not SMTP-after-POP?
That would be extremely dangerous, spam from anywhere would be relayed just by forging sender's address. The best solution for roamers' smtp is SMTP-after-POP, trust me, what i have done is to modify the source i found on the net (Bruce Guenter's) and i have customized it so my smtp server is not abused by non-roaming users of mine, and now it works simply fine. Enrique- |o| Charrua escribi |o| Hi all, |o| Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying which is not |o| SMTP-after-POP?. The great problem posed by this solution is that the users |o| do not want to perform the manual checking of the mailbox first and send |o| after. |o| Isn't there a method to enable it by domain? That is to say if the message |o| comes from domain "domain1.com","domain2.com" or "domain3.com" I allow it to |o| relay. If it comes from another domain I do not. |o| Thanks and Best Regards |o| Andrs
Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying which is not SMTP-after-POP?
Hi all, Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying which is not SMTP-after-POP?. The great problem posed by this solution is that the users do not want to perform the manual checking of the mailbox first and send after. Isn't there a method to enable it by domain? That is to say if the message comes from domain "domain1.com","domain2.com" or "domain3.com" I allow it to relay. If it comes from another domain I do not. Thanks and Best Regards Andrs
Re: Remote CC
* Nilo Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010221 16:06]: Why I get one remote process for each address in a CC, if they are in the same domain ? Because that's the way qmail works. -Johan -- Johan Almqvist http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/ PGP signature
Re: New Patch for Latest UW IMAP server
Tim Hunter wrote: What problems do you have using Courier with Eudora? I use it daily with zero problems. - Original Message - From: "Herbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Qmail Users" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: New Patch for Latest UW IMAP server Hi, I have modified all the patches David Harris had to create an uber-patch for the latest UW IMAP server. This means you can have a secure IMAP and POP server that does only Maildirs, without some of the problems I have been experiencing using Courier with clients like Eudora. link is http://www.greboguru.org/qmail/ Cheers Herbie I have several users that have problems using Eudora with Courier. The problems seem to surface when they have client side filters and more than ~300 new messages in their inbox. It takes very long to filter, I don't know why. Still, I would prefer to stay with Courier because UW is a memory/resource HAWG if you have many IMAP connections. Mike
Re: Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying whic h is not SMTP-after-POP?
Charrua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying which is not SMTP-after-POP?. The great problem posed by this solution is that the users do not want to perform the manual checking of the mailbox first and send after. Isn't there a method to enable it by domain? That is to say if the message comes from domain "domain1.com","domain2.com" or "domain3.com" I allow it to relay. If it comes from another domain I do not. This can be done, but it isn't safe. Anyone can specify your domain as their envelope sender address, and therefore anyone can relay through you. In fact, some spammers use an envelope sender in the domain they're trying to relay through just to catch people who have setups like this. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Re: djbcron
Michael Handler writes: What's really needed in this instance is a program that, given an execution schedule on the command line, figures out how long until the next scheduled execution, and sleeps that long (sleepuntil). Potential problem: clock shift (NTP resync, DST transitions) could confuse it. Maybe it has to wake up (SIGALRM) periodically and recheck the time until execution. Could get ugly. No, you need a program which scans a directory looking for files with a timestamp NOT in the future. Whenever it encounters any of these, it hands the file to the shell. Presumably the last line in the file either removes the file or runs a touch command to reschedule. I'd go ahead and write this problem, but I'm not sure how portable are future timestamps. I know that tar complains about future timestamps, but it sets them anyway. Anything else? Actual problem: The sleepuntil utility needs to run *first* in the ./run script, otherwise when your machine starts, every scheduled program would run once instantly, which is almost certainly not what you want. Oops. Running cron-style services out of supervise has the additional advantage of being able to stop the execution of the job via the standard daemontools utilities, and having much firmer control over the environment that the jobs run in, unlike modern cron. Yup. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "This is Unix... 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Stop acting so helpless." Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | --Daniel J. Bernstein
Courier Problems was UW IMAP Patch
Like Mike said, if you have a lot of client side filters Eudora will thrash you Courier IMAP server bad. If you want to see why switch on debugging in Courier IMAP, it seems that Eudora pulls all messages that match the filter, and it goes through each filter in turn, it also does some wierd UID requesting. Courier hates it the system load goes astronomical at these points. Mike, try the UW IMAP watch these problems dissappear, though I could not tell you why. Herbie PS I am not subscribed to this list anymore I just check the web digest a couple of times a day, so I am not able to respond to any message personally, as your e-mail address does not appear in the digest.
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
Robin S. Socha writes: * Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010221 03:19]: cat /var/log/qmail/current | tai64nlocal | less http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/unix/award.html It's not useless. It serves as a mental place-holder. It's where you would put the grep if you needed to grep, instead of cat. It also lists the single file that you're inputting. If you decided instead that you needed to examine all the log files, instead of having to change the whole command line, you just change "current" to "*". Your anti-useless-use-of-cat crusade is a waste of people's time. It comes from the old days where machine time was more important than people time. We left those days at least five years ago. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "This is Unix... 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Stop acting so helpless." Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | --Daniel J. Bernstein
RE: queue keeping messages
Fixed. someone had forwarded postmaster to /dev/null and it didn't work so hundreds of snow white virus files were being dumped in the queue a day. They weren't expiring and were causing a vicious cycle of send, requeue, resend. So i redirected postmaster to an email address and all the stupid virus files went there and i deleted them. There is still a 3 minute delay in qmail when send a message to when you receive it. Is this normal? I'm used to sendmail where mail is more instantaneous. thanks, Karen -Original Message- From: Jeremy Anttila [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: queue keeping messages -Original Message- From: Karen Cutrer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Jeremy Anttila Subject: RE: queue keeping messages This is wierd. I cannot get test messages sent from the internet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] yet i got your message right away and in my [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox Also, I seem to be able to send to the internet ok. LINUX slackware kernel 2.2.13 on ASA Linux version 2.2.13 (root@s2) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) Detected 497440483 Hz processor. Memory: 516972k/524224k available (1252k kernel code, 416k reserved, 5540k data, 44k init) VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized Pentium-III serial number disabled. CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 Here is my trigger: drwxr-x--- 2 qmailq qmail1024 Dec 16 1999 . drwxr-x--- 11 qmailq qmail1024 Dec 16 1999 .. -rw--- 1 qmails qmail 0 Jan 12 2000 sendmutex -rw-r--r-- 1 qmailr qmail1024 Feb 20 15:15 tcpto prw--w--w- 1 qmails qmail 0 Feb 20 15:16 trigger mail queue is filling up to enormous amounts of filez too. and they are preprocessed. (centex):[/root]#qmail-qstat messages in queue: 18045 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 0 (centex):[/root]# On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Jeremy Anttila wrote: what is your os and setup that you are using ? -Original Message- From: Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: queue keeping messages For a couple of weeks now qmail has been keeping messages in the queue about one to one and a half hours after the message is sent. So everyone is complaining that they don't receive their mail right away. Didn't have any probs before this (except for people incompletely stop and restart qmail wrong then it wouldn't send messages) Any suggestions? qmail version 1.03 Thanks, Karen Cutrer Central Texas Communications
Re: badrcptto
James R Grinter wrote The list is based on .qmail with all recipients names. I was thinking to block people from sending to his list, read a little ezmlm-idx, but couldn't find a satisfactory solution with it. in .qmail-whatever: |(validate-mail || exit 100) #real list of stuff from hereon Where validate-mail is a program that checks some appropriate criteria (sender, contents of headers, etc) and exits with an appropriate exit code (in the above example exitting with 0 would mean that the message was ok to go) Well, I thought of it myself, but this protects from random people sending e-mail to the address I want to protect, but will not help if someone deliberatelly targets this address - forgind the sender or headers is a piece of cake, where filtering by RELAYCLIENT will assure that the person sending the e-mail has a valid account at my server, and I can get him for anything "un_smart" he might do, and as i understand you do not have RELAYCLIENT in the final delivery stage, so validate-mail cannot help . Anyway, I have already wrote the patch and using it, and I see it's use for others too, for example that thread about sending e-mail to a fax, which was proclamed as a "security nightmare" on the list an hour ago.
Re: queue keeping messages
Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fixed. someone had forwarded postmaster to /dev/null Nasty. If you did want to do this (not that it's a good idea), the proper way is `echo "#" ~alias/.qmail-postmaster`. There is still a 3 minute delay in qmail when send a message to when you receive it. Is this normal? I'm used to sendmail where mail is more instantaneous. Depends on how you're storing and retrieving mail. If NFS and POP3 are involved , check to make sure that the clocks of all the machines involved are in sync. qmail-pop3d apparently doesn't like to list mail from the future in its responses to the LIST command. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
qmail-qfilter problems
Hey All, I've installed the qmail-qfilter and cannot get it to work. After I add the "QMAILQUEUE" lines to my tcp.smtp and rebuild it, I send an email and get an email back immediately saying, "No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient" message. There is nothing in the logs on the mail server. The TMPDIR I set in the Makefile is /var/qmail/bin/tmp. I've tried changing the ownership of the files below, and the TMPDIR to qmailq, but that didn't work either. \var\qmail\bin -rwxr-xr-x 1 qmaild qmail1753 Feb 20 15:34 deny-filetypes -rwxr-xr-x 1 qmaild qmail 74 Feb 20 16:56 qmail-qftest drwxrwxr-x 2 qmaild qmail4096 Feb 21 09:56 tmp -rwxrwxr-x 1 qmaildqmail 37931 Feb 21 09:58 qmail-qfilter tcp.smtp 172.16.3.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",QMAILQUEUE="/var/qmail/bin/qmail-qftest" 127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",QMAILQUEUE="/var/qmail/bin/qmail-qftest" qmail-qftest #!/bin/sh exec /var/qmail/bin/qmail-qfilter /var/qmail/bin/deny-filetypes The deny-filetypes file is straight from ~/samples in the qmail-qfilter package Processes-- root 9021 1 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -H -R 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popu root 9022 1 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d root 9024 1 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 svscan root 9025 9024 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 supervise qmail-send root 9026 9024 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 supervise log root 9027 9024 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 supervise qmail-smtpd root 9028 9024 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 supervise log qmails9029 9025 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 qmail-send qmaill9030 9026 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/qmail qmaill9031 9028 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/qmail/smtpd qmaild9032 9027 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c 20 -u 507 root 9037 9029 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 qmail-lspawn ./Maildir/ qmailr9038 9029 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 qmail-rspawn qmailq9039 9029 0 08:57 pts/100:00:00 qmail-clean Any suggestions? -Andy ALSO: In the qmail-qfilter readme it says... "Check the definitions at the top of qmail-qfilter.c, especially the value of TMPDIR. This should be set to a temporary directory that only the executor of qmail-qfilter has write access to." I can't find any TMPDIR reference in the qmail-qfilter.c file though, only in the Makefile.
Re: badrcptto
Alex Kramarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list is based on .qmail with all recipients names. I was thinking to block people from sending to his list, read a little ezmlm-idx, but couldn't find a satisfactory solution with it. in .qmail-whatever: |(validate-mail || exit 100) #real list of stuff from hereon Where validate-mail is a program that checks some appropriate criteria (sender, contents of headers, etc) and exits with an appropriate exit code (in the above example exitting with 0 would mean that the message was ok to go) Russell Nelson has given some very good examples of validation in the past - check the list archives. James.
Re: djbcron
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:27:24 -0500 (EST) Michael Handler writes: What's really needed in this instance is a program that, given an execution schedule on the command line, figures out how long until the next scheduled execution, and sleeps that long (sleepuntil). Potential problem: clock shift (NTP resync, DST transitions) could confu se it. Maybe it has to wake up (SIGALRM) periodically and recheck the time until execution. Could get ugly. No, you need a program which scans a directory looking for files with a timestamp NOT in the future. Whenever it encounters any of these, it hands the file to the shell. Presumably the last line in the file either removes the file or runs a touch command to reschedule. I'd go ahead and write this problem, but I'm not sure how portable are future timestamps. I know that tar complains about future timestamps, but it sets them anyway. Anything else? If someone wants to write a cron replacement, they should spend some time looking at functionality provided by other non-unix based systems. A few years ago i had a gig teaching use of Tivoli Maestro, which is best described to Unixheads as "cron on steroids". It's a port of a mainframe scheduling tool that does some real cool things with dependencies. In my opinion, it has two main problems: 1) it doesn't "feel" like a unix tool, and 2) it's horrendously expensive. The neatest feature it has, however, is a very sophisticated dependency relationship, so you can say things like: Run job A on work days Run job B on holidays and weekends Run job C after either job A or job B has completed. (but don't run job C if A or B did not run). These dependencies are also cross system, so you can have a job that doesn't run on system X until another job has finished running on system Y. I started hacking together a proof of concept (in perl, so we know the performance would have sucked if I'd ever finished) using the future timestamp scheme that Russell describes a while back. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: New Patch for Latest UW IMAP server
What problems do you have using Courier with Eudora? I use it daily with zero problems. - Original Message - From: "Herbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Qmail Users" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: New Patch for Latest UW IMAP server Hi, I have modified all the patches David Harris had to create an uber-patch for the latest UW IMAP server. This means you can have a secure IMAP and POP server that does only Maildirs, without some of the problems I have been experiencing using Courier with clients like Eudora. link is http://www.greboguru.org/qmail/ Cheers Herbie
Remote
How I can configure sendmail to deliver remote messages ? The way remote is doing is impossible to me. The same message to a single host, but with carbon copies is sent many times. In a 64K a 3MB message to 10 people is sent like a 30MB message. Nilo Menezes
RE: remove autoresponder and mailing list from qmailadmin
read the man pages and install notes. When you compiled qmailadmin you included flaggs to support autoresponder and ezmlm as for [EMAIL PROTECTED] your stuck like chuck there unless you do not want to support virtual hosts. -Original Message- From: Yee Siew Chin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: remove autoresponder and mailing list from qmailadmin how can i remove the autoresponder and mailing list from the qmailadmin? i am using the latest version of qmailadmin? and, how can i login using username instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] in sqwebmail? rgds, yee __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: Local Deliveries Slow
Manvendra Bhangui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have already run the make check, etc and checked the permissions as per the LWQ. Excellent. Looks like you've done (most of) your homework. 1. When the incoming rate increases, qmail-send is unable to cope up. The todo increases at an alarming rate. After this the number of local deliveries suddenly stop (around 1 per sec). 2. After shutting down port 25 (to stop incoming mails) and giving some time for the unprocessed mails to become zero, the local mail delivery again become fast (I could get a concurrency of about 160) This is the current stats I have on my mailserver. isocor:/var/qmail/bin./qmail-qstat messages in queue: 67966 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 42007 [...] Has anyone observed this and have come up with any solution to this. Yes. Russ Nelson noticed this, and created the big-todo patch. It helps, but does not eliminate the problem in all cases. Basically the problem is that qmail send will only process local and remote deliveries when there is nothing left in todo. Try applying the big-todo patch; it should help significantly. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Re: Local Deliveries Slow
In article 001001c09bc6$2f6434a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Hi, I am having a tough time migrating to qmail. I have applied the concurrency patch and set the concurrency limit to 250. Inspite of that I do not see the qmail-lspawn forking more than 2 or 3 processes at any given point of time. What could be the problem? My local queue is currently at 8. Due to this my users are unable to get mails. However they are able to send out mails fine. However remote deliveries seem to be going fine and I can see multiple qmail-remote being forked. H, I've only come across this once before and it turned out that the /var/qmail/queue/lock/trigger pipe was "broken". It happened when I tried a cheapo (tar cvf qmail.tar qmail; copy qmail.tar file to diff server and untarred) install of qmail ;-) Qmail would work but would only process local deliveries every 30 minutes. I resolved it by doing a proper "make setup check" install (though remember to backup your control/* files - it will trash some of them). Btw, concurrencylocal max is 120 Paul.
Re: Remote
Nilo Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How I can configure sendmail to deliver remote messages ? The way remote is doing is impossible to me. The same message to a single host, but with carbon copies is sent many times. In a 64K a 3MB message to 10 people is sent like a 30MB message. qmail is designed not to do this. If you want multi-RCPT delivery, you'll have to heavily patch qmail, or switch to another MTA (postfix, exim, sendmail, etc). Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Re: Local Deliveries Slow
I have already run the make check, etc and checked the permissions as per the LWQ. I have been observing this problem on my system for more than few days. Following are the observations. 1. When the incoming rate increases, qmail-send is unable to cope up. The todo increases at an alarming rate. After this the number of local deliveries suddenly stop (around 1 per sec). 2. After shutting down port 25 (to stop incoming mails) and giving some time for the unprocessed mails to become zero, the local mail delivery again become fast (I could get a concurrency of about 160) This is the current stats I have on my mailserver. isocor:/var/qmail/bin./qmail-qstat messages in queue: 67966 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 42007 and this is the output of qmHandle -s isocor:/var/qmailanalog/binqmHandle -s Messages in local queue: 27999 Messages in remote queue: 1418 Has anyone observed this and have come up with any solution to this. Regards Manny - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Local Deliveries Slow In article 001001c09bc6$2f6434a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Hi, I am having a tough time migrating to qmail. I have applied the concurrency patch and set the concurrency limit to 250. Inspite of that I do not see the qmail-lspawn forking more than 2 or 3 processes at any given point of time. What could be the problem? My local queue is currently at 8. Due to this my users are unable to get mails. However they are able to send out mails fine. However remote deliveries seem to be going fine and I can see multiple qmail-remote being forked. H, I've only come across this once before and it turned out that the /var/qmail/queue/lock/trigger pipe was "broken". It happened when I tried a cheapo (tar cvf qmail.tar qmail; copy qmail.tar file to diff server and untarred) install of qmail ;-) Qmail would work but would only process local deliveries every 30 minutes. I resolved it by doing a proper "make setup check" install (though remember to backup your control/* files - it will trash some of them). Btw, concurrencylocal max is 120 Paul. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
How can I change the remote delivery program ?
I want multiple-RCPTs. I want to configure sendmail to make remote deliveries. How can I do that ? Nilo Menezes
Qmail and MX Record change
Sorry this is long, I felt it was important for me to give all these details. We currently have our main mx record for careercast.com pointing to mail.careercast.com (216.39.101.230). This is our old sendmail server which is basically a redirect box which forwards messages to ISP accounts for each user based on the aliases file. I am now bringing email in house and have a Qmail server named email.careercast.com (216.39.101.233). For our beta testers I changed the forwarding address on mail.careercast.com from the ISP to point to their new account on email.careercast.com. It has worked perfectly. This server is running Qmail 1.03 with Vpopmail, the main domain is careercast.com, with a virtual domain for ftp.careercast.com and email.careercast.com so it will accept mail for those addresses, too. In preperation for maving our MX records over I have converted the aliases file from our main email server into .qmail files and placed those in the appropriate location on the new server. It is forwarding mail perfectly to the ISP for users who do not yet have real accounts when email is sent directly to email.careercast.com. Here's the question: I intend to have the MX record for careercast.com changed from mail.careercast.com to email.careercast.com. It seems pretty simple...I don't think users will notice anything different since this server is just a redirect box and either server will be able to forward email to the ISP. Thus, propigation seems like a non-issue. Is there anything else I should be thinking about in making this change? Is there anything to test how this transition will happen? I have tried sending mail to and from it, along with testing the .qmail-files and everything seems good. I have only been a sys admin for this company one month and this is a large project that I want to be sure goes smoothly. Thanks for you time Matt Simonsen
Re: How can I change the remote delivery program ?
Nilo Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want multiple-RCPTs. I want to configure sendmail to make remote deliveries. How can I do that ? The way I read this question is you are running qmail, but are unhappy about qmail-remote's single-RCPT delivery methods. You therefore want to continue to run qmail, but use sendmail for remote deliveries instead of qmail-remote. While this would be possible, I can't see that it would actually be useful. One possible approach would be to do a serialmail-like trick for all remote mail which then injected into a sendmail queue. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Re: qmail-smtpd logging
qmail-smtpd doesn't log it, but qmail records it in a Received: header, like any other MTA does. Is this not sufficient? You could create a wrapper around qmail-smtpd which logs this information to stdout if you like. Actually sendmail does record this as "relay=host.domain [1.2.3.4]" in it's log file. (again I am simply referring to the last relay hit before the message is delivered, not the originating mail server.) So I assume qmail has no built-in way to record this? I'd rather not have to write a wrapper to get this information from each message header, unless of course that is the only option. Any helpful info on how to go about writing such a program? Thanks, --Chris Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm fairly new to q-mail so go easy on me. I've looked through all sorts of documentation and I haven't been able to find a way to do this yet. I can't get qmail to log the address of a remote mail server thats sends it mail to be delivered locally. example, spot.netnitco.net is running qmail. the user joe gets his mail at spot.netnitco.net. someone else (using mail.netnitco.net as his smtp server) sends a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], qmail logs this happening of course and the mail is delivered to joe fine. But qmail does not log that the connection came from mail.netnitco.net, I would like it to do this for several reasons. I'm not sure exactly what information you'll all need from me to help me out, I'm using multilog + vpopmail + daemontools if that helps.
qmail-scanner wrapper
I've tried getting qmail-scanner to work and don't seem to have much luck as the suidperl binary won't allow the perl qmail scanner script to run under suid root. Anyone written a suitable wrapper that the qmail-scanner docos describe that I could pilfer? Cheers Chris
Re: qmail-scanner wrapper
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:19:28AM +1300, Chris Hellberg wrote: I've tried getting qmail-scanner to work and don't seem to have much luck as the suidperl binary won't allow the perl qmail scanner script to run under suid root. Anyone written a suitable wrapper that the qmail-scanner docos describe that I could pilfer? what exactely is the problem ? qmail-scanner is running here on different servers without any problem. Is suidperl a+rxs ? What is the error message ? Have you checked the faq? Good luck Olivier PS: there is also a qmail-scanner ML... -- _ Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch
Re: How can I change the remote delivery program ?
Yes. I asked, but in different ways, in different situations in my problem solving path. I don't remember any reply from you... The fact is that I don't have bandwidth to support 30MB transfers. It's huge. All I want is to use qmail to receive local and internet messages, but deliver only local ones and pass remote messages to other agents, that one supporting multiple-RCPTs. It's what I want. The question should be: How can I configure qmail to deliver remote message through sendmail(MTA) ? Sorry, but read the subject line and the message body together... I don't want to hack qmail-remote or change the qmail style of delivering remote messages and eatting my bandwidth. But I'm too much attached to qmail to simply make a change. I will ask the same quastion in the list how many times I want, and until I got someone to aswer my question. I do this and I got different answers that helped me to figure what I did wrong. Thanks to all in the list. If you can't help don't say I can't ask. Due to "my multiple post of the same question in list" I figure out how to do what I want. I will use serialmail package add-on to pass all remote messages to sendmail, like sendmail were in another host, or ISP. Thank you for nothing. Nilo Menezes - Original Message - From: "Greg White" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Nilo Menezes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: Re: How can I change the remote delivery program ? On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 05:22:06PM -0400, Nilo Menezes wrote: I want multiple-RCPTs. I want to configure sendmail to make remote deliveries. How can I do that ? Nilo Menezes You asked this question, phrased another way, already, and got an answer. I'm sorry if you didn't like the answer, but it is factual. qmail _does not_ do multi-rcpt deliveries -- period. If you _need_ mutli-rcpt delivery, you need to patch the sources for qmail (quite heavily from what I understand), or you need to use another MTA. AFAIK, noone has or intends to write such a patch. As for 'sendmail', do you mean the sendmail wrapper for qmail-inject that comes with qmail, or do you mean actual Allman sendmail? If you mean the wrapper, you cannot. The sendmail wrapper does not do delivery. qmail-inject does not do delivery. qmail-remote does delivery -- that's it. If you mean Allman's sendmail product, that has nothing to do with qmail. Please do not ask the same questions over again on any mailing list, especially a busy one. It's very rude, and those who saw that someone answered you will ignore all further messages from you -- Greg White Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -- John F. Kennedy
New Patch for Latest UW IMAP server
Hi, I have modified all the patches David Harris had to create an uber-patch for the latest UW IMAP server. This means you can have a secure IMAP and POP server that does only Maildirs, without some of the problems I have been experiencing using Courier with clients like Eudora. link is http://www.greboguru.org/qmail/ Cheers Herbie
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:11:55AM -0500, Russell Nelson mumbled: Your anti-useless-use-of-cat crusade is a waste of people's time. It comes from the old days where machine time was more important than people time. We left those days at least five years ago. So, just because we have faster computers we should make programs that are not as efficient as they "used" to be? Your filosofy is pretty much what Microsoft is working on and I for one do not like it. If you can make it fast, then make is _fast_. Not because you have to but because you can, there is no need to write less efficient code just because a fast computer make the new, albeit slow, code run just as fast as the old code, the fast one, on an slow machine. Thats just being dumb. /martin
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
Peter Cavender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I volunteered to talk about and "defend" qmail at a Linux Users' Group meeting where there will be people speaking on 3 or 4 of the main MTAs. I am competent in setting up and maintaining qmail, but I must say that I am unable to respond properly to a lot of the criticism of qmail, mostly in comparison to sendmail (which I have never administered). I would appreciate any and all rebuffings of qmail myths, relevant anecdotes, or theoretical analysis that would aid in my presentation. Tips: Be honest--don't be afraid to admit qmail's weaknesses or sendmail's strengths. Be reasonable--don't claim that qmail is right for everyone. Be positive--concentrate on qmail's strengths, not sendmail's weaknesses. Be calm--project confidence, not mindless advocacy. qmail vs. sendmail pro's: security performance reliability modularity VERP support extension addresses qmail vs. sendmail con's: no connection caching or multiple-RCPT's no bad address rejection during SMTP redistribution restricted sendmail is more widely known qmail vs. sendmail diff's: configuration style is very different logging information is different qmail myths: qmail can flood a server that's been down for a while. Since each message has its own retry schedule, qmail won't immediately try to drop its backlog on a server. Other MTA's sendmail *will*, though, through connection caching. qmail can open too many connections to a server. There is no way a sending system can know each remote system's capabilities at each point in time. It has to assume that if the remote accepts an SMTP connection request, that it can handle the load. -Dave
Slow connection on send Server connection closed
First time on this list and a qmail newbie. Please excuse my ignorance. I have a Linux 6.2 box with qmail, bind8 and apache on it. It was installed by a Linux consultant. It is currently in pre-production stage with very low traffic; 30 send/receive per hour at most. My beta-testers on lan complain of two problems. 1. From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds. Size of email makes no difference. Most of the time, Netscape simply says "Connecting to server". Then, in a flash, it's sent. 2. Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? Thanks in advance, jean
Re: qmail-scanner wrapper
When running the qmail script with the test flag: ns1:/usr/src/qmail-scanner-0.95# ./qmail-scanner-queue.pl -g Script is not setuid/setgid in suidperl ns1:/usr/src/qmail-scanner-0.95# Cool, I've seen a solution for this in the FAQ: snipped from FAQ Can't do suid some perl distributions have decided that as running suid perl scripts is a rare event, they won't enable it by default. On these systems this package won't work. Typically the fix is: chown root /usr/bin/suidperl chmod 4711 /usr/bin/suidperl snipped But the permissions look correct: chown root /usr/bin/suidperl-5.004 chmod 4711 /usr/bin/suidperl-5.004 ls -l /usr/bin/suidperl-5.004 -rws--x--x2 root root 499916 Mar 8 2000 suidperl-5.004 Now retrying gives: ns1:/usr/src/qmail-scanner-0.95# ./qmail-scanner-queue.pl -g Script is not setuid/setgid in suidperl ns1:/usr/src/qmail-scanner-0.95# Trying the test script gives: ns1:/usr/src/qmail-scanner-0.95/contrib# ./test_installation.sh -doit setting QMAILQUEUE to /var/qmail/bin/qmail-scanner-queue.pl for this test... Sending eicar test virus - should be caught by perlscanner module... Script is not setuid/setgid in suidperl qmail-inject: fatal: qq temporary problem (#4.3.0) done! Sending eicar test virus with altered filename - should only be caught by commercial anti-virus modules (if you have any)... Script is not setuid/setgid in suidperl qmail-inject: fatal: qq temporary problem (#4.3.0) Done! I've also recompiled the latest stable perl 5.6.0 from source and it's got setuid support in it, but still same errors. Cheers Chris "Olivier M." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/22/01 10:38a.m. On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:19:28AM +1300, Chris Hellberg wrote: I've tried getting qmail-scanner to work and don't seem to have much luck as the suidperl binary won't allow the perl qmail scanner script to run under suid root. Anyone written a suitable wrapper that the qmail-scanner docos describe that I could pilfer? what exactely is the problem ? qmail-scanner is running here on different servers without any problem. Is suidperl a+rxs ? What is the error message ? Have you checked the faq? Good luck Olivier PS: there is also a qmail-scanner ML... -- _ Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch
Re: Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying which is not SMTP-after-POP?
Charrua escribi: Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying which is not SMTP-after-POP?. Enrique Vadillo wrote: The best solution for roamers' smtp is SMTP-after-POP, trust me I believe authenticated SMTP works best. The majority of email clients support it now, and there are good implementations of it for qmail. Check out www.qmail.org for details, specifically, Krzysztof Dabrowski's work. ---Kris Kelley
Re: Slow connection on send Server connection closed
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 03:49:06PM -0800, JK wrote: I have a Linux 6.2 box with qmail, bind8 and apache on it. It was installed by a Linux consultant. It is currently in pre-production stage with very low traffic; 30 send/receive per hour at most. My beta-testers on lan complain of two problems. 1.From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds. Size of email makes no difference. Most of the time, Netscape simply says "Connecting to server". Then, in a flash, it's sent. 2.Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? This question comes up every three minutes or so on this list. The reason this happens is that the you're waiting for either a DNS or an ident request to time out. To solve your problem, investigate the -R, -H, and -l (that's dash ell) options to tcpserver (assuming you're using tcpserver, which, if you're not, you should be). If it's a DNS request that's timing out, you might also investigate the cause of the DNS failure. Chris PGP signature
RE: Slow connection on send Server connection closed
I encountered this problem not long ago and it was fixed by implementing a split DNS. I would recommend you look into split DNS and see how it would help your mail system resolve the name of the clients. -Original Message- From: Kris Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:58 PM To: QMail Mailing List Subject: Re: Slow connection on send Server connection closed JK wrote: 1. From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds... 2. Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? How was qmail installed by the consultant? Do you know if it's using inetd or tcpserver (or something more exotic) to listen to the SMTP port? My guess is your server is trying to do ident queries (port 113) which are disappearing into never-never land. tcpserver has an option to disable this, not sure about inetd. ---Kris Kelley
Re: LWQ OpenBSD
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:46:26AM -0800, Rick Updegrove wrote: Since I do not have a init.d directory in OpenBSD and it seems everything is started from rc.conf and rc.local in OpenBSD how am I to follow LWQ? I recently set up an openbsd 2.8 box LWQ-style. The 'qmail' script that is suggested to be placed in an init.d directory, I put in /usr/local/sbin. Then I added the line: /usr/local/sbin/qmail start to /etc/rc.local. Has anyone recently switched to OpenBSD that was used to LWQ + Linux before and if so, do you have any helpful hints, reading material or advice at all? Nothing really, at least as far as qmail is concerned. It's running just as well as it has on my linux boxes. -- Aaron Malone ([EMAIL PROTECTED])"There is no distinctly System Administrator American criminal class... Poplar Bluff Internet, Inc. except Congress." http://www.semo.net -- Mark Twain
Re: How can I change the remote delivery program ?
Hi. I'm not sure if this helps but if you have another qmail server on the other end of the link you could set up an alias on the other server that is simply a distribution list. That way only one copy of the mail goes across the link and the qmail server on the other side can then deliver multiple copies of the mail locally. Just be sure to check the alias with a small mail so you don't accidentally get back multiple bounces =) At 06:29 PM 2/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: Yes. I asked, but in different ways, in different situations in my problem solving path. I don't remember any reply from you... The fact is that I don't have bandwidth to support 30MB transfers. It's huge. All I want is to use qmail to receive local and internet messages, but deliver only local ones and pass remote messages to other agents, that one supporting multiple-RCPTs. It's what I want. The question should be: How can I configure qmail to deliver remote message through sendmail(MTA) ? Sorry, but read the subject line and the message body together... I don't want to hack qmail-remote or change the qmail style of delivering remote messages and eatting my bandwidth. But I'm too much attached to qmail to simply make a change. I will ask the same quastion in the list how many times I want, and until I got someone to aswer my question. I do this and I got different answers that helped me to figure what I did wrong. Thanks to all in the list. If you can't help don't say I can't ask. Due to "my multiple post of the same question in list" I figure out how to do what I want. I will use serialmail package add-on to pass all remote messages to sendmail, like sendmail were in another host, or ISP. Thank you for nothing. Nilo Menezes - Kourosh Ghassemieh MindWare Information Systems Technologies 9255 Sunset Blvd, Penthouse West Hollywood CA 90069 (310) 729-1784 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Networking the Small Business
Re: warning: trouble opening remote/4/r
Dear Charles Cazabon You can either use queue-fix to replace/fix the (non-existent?) queue, or restore from your backups and THEN use queue-fix to fix the queue. You can't just restore from tape; files in the queue are named based on the inodes they reside on. Restoring from tape will completely mess this up. queue-fix will rename all the files to match properly. Charles I have fix the queue using queue-fix. It unlinked some file under /var/qmail/queue/remote, but now I still can see the Warning messages in the maillog? Is there something wrong? Another question(that is also why I removed the queue), I have noticed for days,now it becomes more and more unbearable. That is,it is very slowly when we receive mails through POP3. The strange thing is that when you have received the mails then receive mails again immediately, it is very quickly. These days this situation is very common. I'm not sure what's the problem. It the problem of our Mail System or the problem of the network. My mail system is: FreeBSD+qmail+vpopmail+sqwebmail.Thank you. flint
Re: qmail-scanner wrapper
"Davi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/22/01 12:02p.m. On Wednesday 21 February 2001 19:19, you wrote: I've tried getting qmail-scanner to work and don't seem to have much luck as the suidperl binary won't allow the perl qmail scanner script to run under suid root. Anyone written a suitable wrapper that the qmail-scanner docos describe that I could pilfer? Cheers Chris You must chmod 4755 both /usr/bin/suidperl and qmail-scanner-queue.pl Some distros, as SuSE, automatically (well, almost) chmod 755 /usr/bin/suidperl back. Take a look at it. Also take a look at the last suidperl exploit at bugtraq. []s Davi Good stuff. Cheers Davi, seems to have worked. Although now I've discovered that I've got my Time::HiRes module all bad so I spose I'm making progress though. Chris
our qmail is very slow!
Dear qmail I have fix the queue using queue-fix. It unlinked some file under /var/qmail/queue/remote, but now I still can see the Warning messages in the maillog? Is there something wrong? Another question(that is also why I removed the queue), I have noticed for days,now it becomes more and more unbearable. That is,it is very slowly when we receive mails through POP3. The strange thing is that when you have received the mails then receive mails again immediately, it is very quickly. These days this situation is very common. I'm not sure what's the problem. It the problem of our Mail System or the problem of the network. My mail system is: FreeBSD+qmail+vpopmail+sqwebmail.Thank you. flint [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fictitious domain and SMTP relay
Hi all, Thanks to many on the list , most of my questions have been answered ! My office Lan has a fictitious domain, adventus.cxm . Qmail runs on server.adventus.cxm ( IP = 192.168.1.254 ) . The firewall / gateway machine ( IP= 192.168.32.1 ) is connected to the Net over ISDN dialup. We wish to setup virtualdomains for our users to allow them access to their POP mail from different providers .My /var/qmail/control/smtproutes contains a single line :smtp.myisp.net . smtp.myisp.net does not relay emails from my system , because it does not recognise server.adventus.cxm . Fetchmail is working correctly ! What do i need to do about the SMTP bit ? Sincerely Anurag
Re: How can I change the remote delivery program ?
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 05:22:06PM -0400, Nilo Menezes wrote: I want multiple-RCPTs. I want to configure sendmail to make remote deliveries. How can I do that ? This is a qmail list, not a sendmail list. If you want help configuring sendmail, you're in the wrong place. Chris
Re: rcpthosts file - newbe question
This has to be something simple but I've been banging my head against it for a couple of hours and can't get anywhere. If this is covered in the FAQ, INSTALL or man files, I either can't find it or am misunderstanding it. The situation: I have a small home network. I have a designated server, corwin.mydomain.org, running qmail on debian 2.2 with kernel 2.4.1. I can locally log into corwin, open pine, and send and recieve email. My normal box, merlin.mydomain.org, uses kmail. I have it configured to receive email via pop3 from corwin. This works fine. I can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and receive it on merlin via corwin. I also have kmail on merlin configured to send email via SMTP on corwin. However, everything I send gets bounced - relaying denied because "that domain isn't in my rcpthosts file." I have tried all of the following in my rcpthosts file on corwin: mydomain.org .mydomain.org merlin merlin.mydomain.org I'm not sure if it matters but merlin is listed in my hosts file on corwin. I can ping either merlin or merlin.riddlemaster.org from corwin. What do I need to do to convince corwin to relay mail from merlin? Thanks in advance for any assistance. If you want corwin to _relay_ mail from merlin, that is not something that goes in the rcpthosts file - that file should only contain domains that you want merlin to _accept_ mail for, not relay. You need to modify your /etc/tcp.smtp file, which controlls relaying. Don't forget to run tcprules after you change it, to "compile" it. if you are using the LWQ qmail start file, just do: /etc.rc.d/init.d/qmail cdb Actual path may vary with disro/OS. HTH --Pete
Re: Is there another procedure to enable Selective SMTP relaying whic h is not SMTP-after-POP?
Enrique, which is the change you have made to the code? I suppose that what you do is that if the IP from which the user connects itself belongs to users which do not move you do not use SMTP after POP, if it is a different IP you use SMTP after POP. Is this so? Thanks Andres
RE: Slow connection on send Server connection closed
It is using tcpserver. Could be ident queries. The firewall is wide-open for outbound, but inbound, only smtp dns are allowed. I'll play with the firewall setting to see if it makes a diff! Thanks for the input. jean -Original Message- From: Kris Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:58 PM To: QMail Mailing List Subject: Re: Slow connection on send Server connection closed JK wrote: 1. From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds... 2. Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? How was qmail installed by the consultant? Do you know if it's using inetd or tcpserver (or something more exotic) to listen to the SMTP port? My guess is your server is trying to do ident queries (port 113) which are disappearing into never-never land. tcpserver has an option to disable this, not sure about inetd. ---Kris Kelley
Re: Slow connection on send Server connection closed
JK wrote: 1. From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds... 2. Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? How was qmail installed by the consultant? Do you know if it's using inetd or tcpserver (or something more exotic) to listen to the SMTP port? My guess is your server is trying to do ident queries (port 113) which are disappearing into never-never land. tcpserver has an option to disable this, not sure about inetd. ---Kris Kelley
Migration of Mailboxes and Accounts from Ms Exchange
Hi All, I have a new LINUX mechine. It will dedicated to used for email server. The Old Email-Server is M$-Exchange. Is there any solutions to migrate all the mailboxes and email-accounts from MS-Exchange to Qmail and it will not impact to "user-site". So the users does't have to modify anything at their email-client configuration. The email server is only used in LAN for ingoing/outgoing emails. Thanks in advance Best Regards, Tonka Sesarino Tonka Sesarino --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 19017463
RE: Slow connection on send Server connection closed
Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. Yes, I am running tcpserver. DNS-wise, the box has very basic DNS records, just enough to know itself. The forwarder is set to isp's name server which is one hop away. This is a lone Linux in a predominantly NT environment and I am trying to tansition some services to Linux as everyone seems breathless about stability. I have DNS running on NT4 and DEC VMS. NT4 DEC contain records for lan hosts. On the client-side, name-resolution doesn't seem to be a problem; receive just flies! It is only on the send side that it crawls. jean -Original Message- From: Chris Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:56 PM To: JK Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slow connection on send Server connection closed On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 03:49:06PM -0800, JK wrote: I have a Linux 6.2 box with qmail, bind8 and apache on it. It was installed by a Linux consultant. It is currently in pre-production stage with very low traffic; 30 send/receive per hour at most. My beta-testers on lan complain of two problems. 1.From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds. Size of email makes no difference. Most of the time, Netscape simply says "Connecting to server". Then, in a flash, it's sent. 2.Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? This question comes up every three minutes or so on this list. The reason this happens is that the you're waiting for either a DNS or an ident request to time out. To solve your problem, investigate the -R, -H, and -l (that's dash ell) options to tcpserver (assuming you're using tcpserver, which, if you're not, you should be). If it's a DNS request that's timing out, you might also investigate the cause of the DNS failure. Chris
rblsmtpd log
sorry for this question, how to log rblsmtpd conversation in to /var/log/qmail or other place?
RE: Slow connection on send Server connection closed
I have two tcpserver processes running, one with -v -p -x switches and the other with -H -R. I don't see -l. jean -Original Message- From: Chris Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:56 PM To: JK Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slow connection on send Server connection closed On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 03:49:06PM -0800, JK wrote: I have a Linux 6.2 box with qmail, bind8 and apache on it. It was installed by a Linux consultant. It is currently in pre-production stage with very low traffic; 30 send/receive per hour at most. My beta-testers on lan complain of two problems. 1.From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds. Size of email makes no difference. Most of the time, Netscape simply says "Connecting to server". Then, in a flash, it's sent. 2.Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? This question comes up every three minutes or so on this list. The reason this happens is that the you're waiting for either a DNS or an ident request to time out. To solve your problem, investigate the -R, -H, and -l (that's dash ell) options to tcpserver (assuming you're using tcpserver, which, if you're not, you should be). If it's a DNS request that's timing out, you might also investigate the cause of the DNS failure. Chris
RE: Slow connection on send Server connection closed
Split DNS refers to internal external? Currently, only internal addresses have been entered. Is split DNS complicated? thanks, jean -Original Message- From: Campos Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:05 PM To: 'Kris Kelley'; QMail Mailing List Subject: RE: Slow connection on send Server connection closed I encountered this problem not long ago and it was fixed by implementing a split DNS. I would recommend you look into split DNS and see how it would help your mail system resolve the name of the clients. -Original Message- From: Kris Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:58 PM To: QMail Mailing List Subject: Re: Slow connection on send Server connection closed JK wrote: 1. From the time Send is clicked in Netscape 4.75 on NT, and the completion takes 15-20 seconds... 2. Some of the Netscape users complain that they frequently get error message indicating that there may be network problem or server may have closed the connection. Can someone tell me where to begin to look to troubleshoot this? How was qmail installed by the consultant? Do you know if it's using inetd or tcpserver (or something more exotic) to listen to the SMTP port? My guess is your server is trying to do ident queries (port 113) which are disappearing into never-never land. tcpserver has an option to disable this, not sure about inetd. ---Kris Kelley
qmail test scripts
Hello I've tested my qmail system with the following two perl scripts, downloaded from www.qmail.org perl qmail-qsanity-0_52 did not display anything does that mean..that my Qmail Queue system is set right. or what does it really mean. perl qmail-lint-0_55Warning: users/assign checking not implemented. What does that warning mean...Is it really bad? what can i do to make this error disppear. I've installed Qmail from RPMS at www.qmail.org Regards Sumith
Re: qmail-qfilter problems
Andy Meuse wrote I've installed the qmail-qfilter and cannot get it to work. After I add the "QMAILQUEUE" lines to my tcp.smtp and rebuild it, I send an email and get an email back immediately saying, "No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient" message. 1. I suspect this error message comes from outlook - don't use it to troubleshoot smtp e-mail, you will never get a decent error message. 2. try sending a message manually (telnet host 25), or through (at least) outlook express and see what error do you recieve.
rcpthosts file - newbe question
This has to be something simple but I've been banging my head against it for a couple of hours and can't get anywhere. If this is covered in the FAQ, INSTALL or man files, I either can't find it or am misunderstanding it. The situation: I have a small home network. I have a designated server, corwin.mydomain.org, running qmail on debian 2.2 with kernel 2.4.1. I can locally log into corwin, open pine, and send and recieve email. My normal box, merlin.mydomain.org, uses kmail. I have it configured to receive email via pop3 from corwin. This works fine. I can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and receive it on merlin via corwin. I also have kmail on merlin configured to send email via SMTP on corwin. However, everything I send gets bounced - relaying denied because "that domain isn't in my rcpthosts file." I have tried all of the following in my rcpthosts file on corwin: mydomain.org .mydomain.org merlin merlin.mydomain.org I'm not sure if it matters but merlin is listed in my hosts file on corwin. I can ping either merlin or merlin.riddlemaster.org from corwin. What do I need to do to convince corwin to relay mail from merlin? Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Re: LWQ OpenBSD
* Kris Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rick Updegrove wrote: Since I do not have a init.d directory in OpenBSD and it seems everything is started from rc.conf and rc.local in OpenBSD how am I to follow LWQ? I may be way off base here, having never used OpenBSD, but couldn't you create the LWQ qmail start-up script as a file somewhere, then tell whichever rc.* script is appropriate to do a "/path/to/script/qmail start"? That (man 8 rc) would do the trick. The wrong one, IMHO, though, because daemontools and ucspi-tcp are also in the ports if necessary - a much better solution, but YMMV. SysV init scripts don't really belong into BSD land ;-) -- Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
From: Martin Akesson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:00:40 +0100 So, just because we have faster computers we should make programs that are not as efficient as they "used" to be? Your filosofy is pretty much what Microsoft is working on and I for one do not like it. If you can make it fast, then make is _fast_. Not because you have to but because you can, there is no need to write less efficient code just because a fast computer make the new, albeit slow, code run just as fast as the old code, the fast one, on an slow machine. Thats just being dumb. You can optimize for CPU time; you can optimize for programmer time; you can optimize for user time. You can't optimize for all three at once unless the original code was incredibly bad. The perl camel book actually breaks this down into 6 categories as follows: Time Efficiency Space Efficiency Programmer Efficiency Maintainer Efficiency Porter Efficiency User Efficiency and many of the advice in each of those sections contradicts advice in the other sections. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
