[RBW] Re: 1/1 ride and resolutions

[Angus]

Fortunately my garage is insulated, unfortunately no HVAC
system...yet.

I purchased a $20 electric heater and move it close to where I am
working.  Makes things a little easier...mechanics gloves help too
(cold tools).

A dream would be to get an AC/Heater in the garage...but that's
probably not a 2011 goal.

Angus

On Jan 2, 10:30 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would list each of these resolutions as my own for 2011...

  1. Be better about proactive maintenance on my bikes.
  2. Thin down the herd so I stay on top of said maintenance.
  3. Get a decent garage heater to make winter projects more fun.
  4. Ride lots.
  5. Have fun.
  6. Take more photos.

 Re: #3 - I fully admit I am a wimp. My garage never gets close to Park
 City temps. Having lived in Colorado Springs, cold' weather in
 Northern California feels practically balmy.

 Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[robert zeidler]

FWIW and YMMV etc., I have The Paleo Diet for Athletes to be very
helpful.  It is, in some ways, the best of both worlds.  They explain
how you can use gels, drinks, etc., during exercise, while sticking to
a low-carb regimen when not exercising.  Worth a look.

On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, grrlyrida grrlyr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm a fan of Gary Taubes since he came out with, What if fat was a
 big fat lie? During the low carb 00's. But as a person in the
 culinary industry, most of these diet books are unsustainable for most
 people. Sure lots of processed sugar and wheat based carbs will cause
 you to gain weight. But cutting them out for more than a few months is
 hard for most people.

 What has worked for me is following a low to mostly no wheat, corn and
 dairy diet, but still eating some sugars like maple syrup on occasion.

 I work with sugar, butter and flour everyday and it's hard, but if I
 say I'll have kamut pancakes instead of whole wheat this Sunday and
 maple syrup instead of caramel colored simple syrup Ms. Butterworth,
 it keeps me from eating brioche cinnamon rolls, brioche maple glazed
 donuts, chocolate hazelnut tortes and red velvet cupcakes I have to
 bake daily.

 Cutting out all bad carbs is a recipe for failure in the long run.
 Having a balance approach by keeping some of the bad carbs you love
 and having them on special occasions, seems to offer more success for
 keeping the weight off.

 Have a safe and prosperous new year,
 Ness

 On Jan 1, 5:08 pm, Dave Minyard salukiri...@gmail.com wrote:
  I just saw this on the website. Good 
  Stuff...http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/318. Say's it might only be 
  up today.
 
  Happy New Year!

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Re: [RBW] Gray Whale 200K

[robert zeidler]

Anne,

Congats! and remember, any ride you didn't finish in an ambulance is a
good ride!

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

 Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the report.

 The forecast was for rain all morning, SE wind 5-15 mph in the
 morning, rain stopping and wind dying down in the afternoon; almost
 ideal for an out-and-back that went northeast for the first half.  I
 was worried about being cold and wet, so I packed up an extra pair of
 socks, a pair of gloves, and an spare wool undershirt (those Ibex
 woolies are *fantastic*). I also brought rain pants. I planned to wear
 an Ibex wooly undershirt, a jersey, a rain jacket, polarfleece tights
 over shorts, and wool socks with booties over them. For food I brought
 some brownie bites with peppermint patties in them, and a meat pie,
 plus a flask of gel.

 I overslept yesterday morning, so I had to rush to get out of the
 house. Luckily, I'd packed up everything the night before. In the
 rush, though, I probably didn't eat enough breakfast.

 I arrived in plenty of time, with a good chance to check out the other
 bikes. I didn't see any other Rivs, though I think there may have been
 an orange one I missed. Several riders had beautiful Steve Rex bikes.
 Several riders were using Rivish canvas handlebar bags, some with
 decaleurs. Oddly, about a third of the riders didn't have fenders,
 even though rain was predicted and it was in fact raining.

 Since it was raining steadily at the start, I donned the rain pants. I
 stopped a couple of times near the start of the ride, so ended up
 riding alone, but with a tailwind that didn't matter. The rain tailed
 off after about an hour, and the wind picked up. I was zipping right
 along, not working too hard. What a delight it was to ride an empty
 Highway 1.

 I stopped for a pitstop and snack just north of Pigeon Point, maybe 30
 miles in, but didn't eat very much. Between Pescadero and San Gregorio
 I was catching  up to a tandem. I had visions of that tandem being my
 new best friend on the way back into the wind, but then at the base of
 the hill just north of San Gregorio, I was feeling a little bonkish so
 I stopped for a peppermint, and I didn't see the tandem couple again.
 That hill is pesky-- it's only about three or four hundred feet, but
 it always seems more difficult that I think it should. Perhaps it
 always comes at a difficult time in a ride-. Usually I approach it
 after having climbed Page Mill, Haskins Hill and the two little hills
 on Stage Road, so I'm tired. There are three ways to climb it, and the
 one I was doing, north on Highway 1, is the easiest. Still, I was glad
 to summit and ride the rollers to Half Moon Bay. After Half Moon Bay,
 it was only a few miles to the turnaround.

 I reached the turnaround four hours in, feeling strong, and took the
 last parking spot at the end of the line-up of bikes stretched out
 along the wall of the market. I was hoping for hot soup or a tasty
 sandwich, but the convenience store had only nasty-looking premade
 sandwiches and no soup. I had a chocolate milk, a banana, a brownie
 bite and a couple of bites of meat pie-- not really enough. The people
 still left at the rest stop when I was ready to go looked strong, like
 I wouldn't be able to stay with them, so I headed out alone.

 It was tough. That happy dream of the wind dropping was a
 weatherliar's fantasy. The wind continued just as it had been all day,
 with whitecaps out on the ocean, only now I had to ride into it. I
 figured on stopping every fifteen miles on the way back. The first
 stop was a random beach, where I was the only one enjoying the cold
 windy picnic tables. I didn't linger, and again I didn't eat enough.

 My second stop was at Gazos Creek. I had just leaned my bike against
 the wall to go in the convenience store when I noticed a group of
 cyclists passing. I jumped back on the bike and with my last strength,
 bridged to join them. The benefit was obvious; I could sit in for a
 while and stop fighting the wind I'd been fighting for thirty miles.
 The cost became clear; I needed to eat and to get more water, but I
 didn't. But three angels riding Steve Rex bikes babysat me for the
 rest of the route, as I got weaker and weaker. We stopped in
 Davenport. One of the angels handed me a Coke. I slurped it down, but
 I was still draggling as one of my angels escorted me, slowly, to the
 end of the ride, ten and a half hours after I started.

 Reflections:

 The ride was harder than I expected, and the challenge was different.
 I expected to be cold and wet, but in fact it rained only for about
 the first hour, with a few sprinkles near the end. But the wind was
 tough. The main problem, though, was my (stupidly unrecognized at the
 time) lack of food. I didn't drink enough, and I didn't eat nearly
 enough. My stomach was hurting for the last twenty 

Re: [RBW] New Year's Eve Wine Run

[JimD]

Excellent use of the Saddlesack!

Now I really need one.

-JimD

On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Peter wrote:


I have been a long time lurker and my new years Bike resolution is
to finally contribute to this group!

On new years eve I made a run to my favorite Berkeley wine shop and
loaded up my Sackville Medium Saddlesack with a few  bottles of
happiness. Here is a photo: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56340...@n08/5318948658/

For much of the past year I had the Sam set up as a go fast. It was
fenderless with pari-motos. I love the tires. They got me through the
2010 California Death Ride without a flat. (They were also the widest
tires I saw that day...) The bike also handled really well. I have
never felt so confident descending before.

Now that I am no longer training for a big event I have converted the
bike back to a commuter. I try to ride a few days a week from my house
in El Cerrito to my office in Oakland.  I re-mounted Schwalbe
Marathons and installed some VO Zepplin Fenders. I also mounted a
nitto rack in the rear. I use a small trunksack up front and a Medium
Saddlesack in the rear. I love the set up. (Although I must say – I am
not mechanically inclined and mounting those damm fenders took me at
least 7 or 8 hours and I am still not sure I did it right. Thank god
Hiroshi at Jitensha talked me out of the Honjos. Mounting them may
have killed me.)

Happy New Year to all!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[zeidler . robert]

I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure looks 
like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

I was up there to check out this bike and observe the videographers.
The bike is really beefy with those tires.  I've got a photo
somewhere...

Esteban
San Diego, Made it over the snowstorm on the I-5 before it was closed
in both directions this afternoon Calif

On Jan 2, 8:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 And the always appreciated valve stem shot (submit yours
 herehttp://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell_valve_stems/
 )!

 The 62cm frame makes those 29ers look like 26 tires!  I'm gonna' have to
 think long and hard about a 58cm frame...





 On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  just a tease...looks pretty nice, perfect for those back road camping
  tours!

  ~Mike~

  On Jan 2, 6:54 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
   Looks like a 62cm and shown with 2.25 tires.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAS7IeATqs0

   --mike

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[RBW] Re: 1/1 ride and resolutions

[MichaelH]

Lots of interesting ride reports getting posted.  I'm a little
jealous.

It has been a very cold and very snowy Dec. here, so I haven't done
much riding; lots of partying though so I really need to check out the
diet thread.  But New Years Eve saw the weather shift and the
temperature rise into the upper thirties.  The shoulders were pretty
clear so I have gotten in about an hour and a half of riding each of
the last three days.  I live at the bottom of a 1 1/2 mile, 7% grade
on a dirt road.  On friday it was still pretty much frozen but by
saturday it was slush and Sunday was deep mud full of ruts and
holes.   Now I get to practice my bike cleaning skills and resolve.
There must have been two  or three lbs. of mud on the bike when I
brought it in last night and began what will ultimately take a couple
of hours. Did the crank and brakes last night because I wanted to get
the road salt off of them before they warmed up.

BTW, I opened a bottle of the El Duke cleaner that Riv has started
selling.  I was very impressed.  It not only does a good job it
doesn't have the overwhelming stink of either spirits or citrus
cleaners.

Keep the rubber side down, especially when you're riding on ice.
michael,
westford, vt



On Jan 3, 5:50 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Fortunately my garage is insulated, unfortunately no HVAC
 system...yet.

 I purchased a $20 electric heater and move it close to where I am
 working.  Makes things a little easier...mechanics gloves help too
 (cold tools).

 A dream would be to get an AC/Heater in the garage...but that's
 probably not a 2011 goal.

 Angus

 On Jan 2, 10:30 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote:



  I would list each of these resolutions as my own for 2011...

   1. Be better about proactive maintenance on my bikes.
   2. Thin down the herd so I stay on top of said maintenance.
   3. Get a decent garage heater to make winter projects more fun.
   4. Ride lots.
   5. Have fun.
   6. Take more photos.

  Re: #3 - I fully admit I am a wimp. My garage never gets close to Park
  City temps. Having lived in Colorado Springs, cold' weather in
  Northern California feels practically balmy.

  Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Gray Whale 200K

[JimD]

What a nifty way to start the year.

I discover on 'longer' rides that something like ~50 - 65 miles is  
about right for a bike ride.


-JimD
On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:


As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the  
report.


The forecast was for rain all morning, SE wind 5-15 mph in the
morning, rain stopping and wind dying down in the afternoon; almost
ideal for an out-and-back that went northeast for the first half.  I
was worried about being cold and wet, so I packed up an extra pair of
socks, a pair of gloves, and an spare wool undershirt (those Ibex
woolies are *fantastic*). I also brought rain pants. I planned to wear
an Ibex wooly undershirt, a jersey, a rain jacket, polarfleece tights
over shorts, and wool socks with booties over them. For food I brought
some brownie bites with peppermint patties in them, and a meat pie,
plus a flask of gel.

I overslept yesterday morning, so I had to rush to get out of the
house. Luckily, I'd packed up everything the night before. In the
rush, though, I probably didn't eat enough breakfast.

I arrived in plenty of time, with a good chance to check out the other
bikes. I didn't see any other Rivs, though I think there may have been
an orange one I missed. Several riders had beautiful Steve Rex bikes.
Several riders were using Rivish canvas handlebar bags, some with
decaleurs. Oddly, about a third of the riders didn't have fenders,
even though rain was predicted and it was in fact raining.

Since it was raining steadily at the start, I donned the rain pants. I
stopped a couple of times near the start of the ride, so ended up
riding alone, but with a tailwind that didn't matter. The rain tailed
off after about an hour, and the wind picked up. I was zipping right
along, not working too hard. What a delight it was to ride an empty
Highway 1.

I stopped for a pitstop and snack just north of Pigeon Point, maybe 30
miles in, but didn't eat very much. Between Pescadero and San Gregorio
I was catching  up to a tandem. I had visions of that tandem being my
new best friend on the way back into the wind, but then at the base of
the hill just north of San Gregorio, I was feeling a little bonkish so
I stopped for a peppermint, and I didn't see the tandem couple again.
That hill is pesky-- it's only about three or four hundred feet, but
it always seems more difficult that I think it should. Perhaps it
always comes at a difficult time in a ride-. Usually I approach it
after having climbed Page Mill, Haskins Hill and the two little hills
on Stage Road, so I'm tired. There are three ways to climb it, and the
one I was doing, north on Highway 1, is the easiest. Still, I was glad
to summit and ride the rollers to Half Moon Bay. After Half Moon Bay,
it was only a few miles to the turnaround.

I reached the turnaround four hours in, feeling strong, and took the
last parking spot at the end of the line-up of bikes stretched out
along the wall of the market. I was hoping for hot soup or a tasty
sandwich, but the convenience store had only nasty-looking premade
sandwiches and no soup. I had a chocolate milk, a banana, a brownie
bite and a couple of bites of meat pie-- not really enough. The people
still left at the rest stop when I was ready to go looked strong, like
I wouldn't be able to stay with them, so I headed out alone.

It was tough. That happy dream of the wind dropping was a
weatherliar's fantasy. The wind continued just as it had been all day,
with whitecaps out on the ocean, only now I had to ride into it. I
figured on stopping every fifteen miles on the way back. The first
stop was a random beach, where I was the only one enjoying the cold
windy picnic tables. I didn't linger, and again I didn't eat enough.

My second stop was at Gazos Creek. I had just leaned my bike against
the wall to go in the convenience store when I noticed a group of
cyclists passing. I jumped back on the bike and with my last strength,
bridged to join them. The benefit was obvious; I could sit in for a
while and stop fighting the wind I'd been fighting for thirty miles.
The cost became clear; I needed to eat and to get more water, but I
didn't. But three angels riding Steve Rex bikes babysat me for the
rest of the route, as I got weaker and weaker. We stopped in
Davenport. One of the angels handed me a Coke. I slurped it down, but
I was still draggling as one of my angels escorted me, slowly, to the
end of the ride, ten and a half hours after I started.

Reflections:

The ride was harder than I expected, and the challenge was different.
I expected to be cold and wet, but in fact it rained only for about
the first hour, with a few sprinkles near the end. But the wind was
tough. The main problem, though, was my (stupidly unrecognized at the
time) lack of food. I didn't drink enough, and I didn't eat nearly
enough. My stomach was hurting for the last twenty miles, and if I had
had two brain cells to rub 

[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Mike]

As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

Ha! Anne, great write-up! Sounds like an epic ride and a great
introduction to randonneuring. As I head into my fourth year of
randonneuring I feel like I'm still learning a lot about packing,
eating and how to pace myself. I've learned a lot so far but have a
long ways to go. It's funny how much more there is to it than just
getting on your bike and pedaling. I mean, that's a huge part of it,
the most base part of it and yet there is so much more--packing and
where and how to carry stuff (HB bag vs saddlebag vs jersey pockets,
etc) and what to carry. Then there's the issue of what to eat and
when! It's so easy to plan this stuff out while at home thinking about
and upcoming brevet and so so different when you're out on the road.

I remember on my first 200k it was pouring rain and I just motored
through the first half of the out and back course. At the turnaround I
latched on to the wheels of some experienced randonneurs, one who kept
a blog about distance cycling, and so rode back with them, picking the
one guy's brain (Dave Rowe) the entire way back. He talked about going
into open controls and seeing randonneurs just staring at food in the
store and being too discombobulated to figure out what they wanted,
something I had sort of experienced just a little while before. Dave
was referring more to late night controls on longer brevets but I got
a glimpse of the idea/experience. It's a phenomena I've experienced
multiple times since. It's really baffling. I'll often chuckle to
myself remembering the conversation with Dave. Anyway, that first 200k
was a complete success--no bonk, no mechanicals, and I finished with a
strong time (8:28).

I've gone on to finish that same brevet in under 8hrs but finished
other brevets pretty close the cut-off. I once finished a 600k with
only and hour and 15 minutes to spare. I've had a few mid-brevet bonks
but so far nothing that made me DNF. And as for mechanicals so far
I've only had a fender come loose and a few flats.

But back to you, again, a great ride report. Congrats on the strong
ride. Looking forward to hearing your report about your 300k! Do it!
That really is the best distance, it's just a good long time on the
bike without being as torturous as a 400k. And in spite of the 400k
being rather torturous, it's still something to experience. And you
know, if you've done a 200k, 300k and 400k, there's really no reason
not to do a 600k which is actually easier than a 400k because you
hopefully get to sleep a bit and who doesn't want to long epic days on
the bike?

Oh, and as for lighting. I have yet to get a generator hub I've been
using an Ixom IQ over the past couple of years and it's fine. As for
mounting it, you have more options than you might think--on the h-bar,
mid-fork with a Gino mount if you have a mid fork braze on or even
down low with one of these VO gizmos:

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/lighting/low-down-light-mount-type-i.html

Hope you're feeling rested and enthused about your next brevet!

--mike

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[RBW] Re: On diet (was: New News Post)

[Garth]

Hi Beth,

Offering advise on diet is often like giving advice on one's
finances!! There's a lot of attachments, and preconceived ideas(both
true and true), hence often much resistance to make any changes. That
said,  I offer this out sincercerity in wishing to help you end the
suffering.

 I've known some people with Crohn's .. some have healed  some
have not.  The ones who could make a change to a predominately raw
food diet have healed, those that remained with the doctors and drugs
did not.  I have family members with this condition and refuse to make
any changes  and they will likely live out their life suffering
needlessly.   Myself, though not diagnosed with a medical condition,
have had many digestion problems since the 1980's. I ate what I'd call
a healthy standard American diet.  Nothing really helped until I
recently tried a raw diet on a whim.  I thought  I've got nothing
to lose.  But it's really helped. All my digestive issues are gone.
Please, don't let the term raw fool you, put you off or raise your
defenses, though it likely will. It did me too!  But, I stepped
through the fear. I mean, what could be worse than what I was
living? !!

-Garth

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/crohns-disease
http://www.colitis-crohns.com/

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[RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[Mike]

On Jan 3, 6:17 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure 
 looks like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.  
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


You are a very lucky man! That bike looks great. I take it that it is
a 62? I used to run Albatross bars on my Cross Check and liked them a
lot. I may have to put them on my QB at some point.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: New News Post

[Mike]

Anthropologists have assumed that early humans supplemented their
meaty, protein-heavy diet with nutrients from plants.  Plant starches
are energy-rich carbohydrates, but aren't exactly ready-to-eat.  The
latest discovery confirms that humans as far back as 30,000 years had
figured out how to process some of those starches before consuming
them.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/10/18/130654483/starchy-wild-plants-added-carbs-to-ancient-man-s-meaty-diet

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[PATRICK MOORE]

When men of science find out something more/
We shall be happier than we were before.

I still think common sense and moderate education is the best criterion.

Headline on recent BBC (Lite) website: Neanderthals Cooked Vegetables.

Patrick going to give up my home made bread when they pry it from my
cold, dead palate Moore

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 Anthropologists have assumed that early humans supplemented their
 meaty, protein-heavy diet with nutrients from plants.  Plant starches
 are energy-rich carbohydrates, but aren't exactly ready-to-eat.  The
 latest discovery confirms that humans as far back as 30,000 years had
 figured out how to process some of those starches before consuming
 them.

 http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/10/18/130654483/starchy-wild-plants-added-carbs-to-ancient-man-s-meaty-diet

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[cyclotourist]

I betcha' they don't sell too many 62s with that set up!  Your bike is the
newest internet sensation!  Congrats!

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jan 3, 6:17 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure
 looks like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 

 You are a very lucky man! That bike looks great. I take it that it is
 a 62? I used to run Albatross bars on my Cross Check and liked them a
 lot. I may have to put them on my QB at some point.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[cyclotourist]

What a great way to start the year!  The trick is maintaining that average
:-)

Riding 200K is very impressive.  For me, 100K is a long ride, so anything
more than that is impressive!



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 As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.



 Ha! Anne, great write-up! Sounds like an epic ride and a great
 introduction to randonneuring. As I head into my fourth year of
 randonneuring I feel like I'm still learning a lot about packing,
 eating and how to pace myself. I've learned a lot so far but have a
 long ways to go. It's funny how much more there is to it than just
 getting on your bike and pedaling. I mean, that's a huge part of it,
 the most base part of it and yet there is so much more--packing and
 where and how to carry stuff (HB bag vs saddlebag vs jersey pockets,
 etc) and what to carry. Then there's the issue of what to eat and
 when! It's so easy to plan this stuff out while at home thinking about
 and upcoming brevet and so so different when you're out on the road.

 I remember on my first 200k it was pouring rain and I just motored
 through the first half of the out and back course. At the turnaround I
 latched on to the wheels of some experienced randonneurs, one who kept
 a blog about distance cycling, and so rode back with them, picking the
 one guy's brain (Dave Rowe) the entire way back. He talked about going
 into open controls and seeing randonneurs just staring at food in the
 store and being too discombobulated to figure out what they wanted,
 something I had sort of experienced just a little while before. Dave
 was referring more to late night controls on longer brevets but I got
 a glimpse of the idea/experience. It's a phenomena I've experienced
 multiple times since. It's really baffling. I'll often chuckle to
 myself remembering the conversation with Dave. Anyway, that first 200k
 was a complete success--no bonk, no mechanicals, and I finished with a
 strong time (8:28).

 I've gone on to finish that same brevet in under 8hrs but finished
 other brevets pretty close the cut-off. I once finished a 600k with
 only and hour and 15 minutes to spare. I've had a few mid-brevet bonks
 but so far nothing that made me DNF. And as for mechanicals so far
 I've only had a fender come loose and a few flats.

 But back to you, again, a great ride report. Congrats on the strong
 ride. Looking forward to hearing your report about your 300k! Do it!
 That really is the best distance, it's just a good long time on the
 bike without being as torturous as a 400k. And in spite of the 400k
 being rather torturous, it's still something to experience. And you
 know, if you've done a 200k, 300k and 400k, there's really no reason
 not to do a 600k which is actually easier than a 400k because you
 hopefully get to sleep a bit and who doesn't want to long epic days on
 the bike?

 Oh, and as for lighting. I have yet to get a generator hub I've been
 using an Ixom IQ over the past couple of years and it's fine. As for
 mounting it, you have more options than you might think--on the h-bar,
 mid-fork with a Gino mount if you have a mid fork braze on or even
 down low with one of these VO gizmos:


 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/lighting/low-down-light-mount-type-i.html

 Hope you're feeling rested and enthused about your next brevet!

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Re: [RBW] New Year's Eve Wine Run

[cyclotourist]

Just don't take those fenders off!!!


On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:13 AM, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:


 Excellent use of the Saddlesack!

 Now I really need one.

 -JimD

 On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Peter wrote:

 I have been a long time lurker and my new years Bike resolution is
 to finally contribute to this group!

 On new years eve I made a run to my favorite Berkeley wine shop and
 loaded up my Sackville Medium Saddlesack with a few  bottles of
 happiness. Here is a photo:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/56340...@n08/5318948658/

 For much of the past year I had the Sam set up as a go fast. It was
 fenderless with pari-motos. I love the tires. They got me through the
 2010 California Death Ride without a flat. (They were also the widest
 tires I saw that day...) The bike also handled really well. I have
 never felt so confident descending before.

 Now that I am no longer training for a big event I have converted the
 bike back to a commuter. I try to ride a few days a week from my house
 in El Cerrito to my office in Oakland.  I re-mounted Schwalbe
 Marathons and installed some VO Zepplin Fenders. I also mounted a
 nitto rack in the rear. I use a small trunksack up front and a Medium
 Saddlesack in the rear. I love the set up. (Although I must say – I am
 not mechanically inclined and mounting those damm fenders took me at
 least 7 or 8 hours and I am still not sure I did it right. Thank god
 Hiroshi at Jitensha talked me out of the Honjos. Mounting them may
 have killed me.)

 Happy New Year to all!

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[RBW] Re: New News Post

[Garth]

There's just so much mis-information about food out there. It'll make
your head spin.

Over the course of this summer I gradually changed from eating lots of
grains, vegetables, beans, fresh juices, eggs and occasionally chicken
and beef .. to one of mostly fruit, dark green leafy lettuces
and a few nuts .

It's still kind of new me, so I'm being patient. I have occasional
cooked raw lentils and quinoa or Ezekiel(sprouted) bread.

I have more energy than I've ever had. No indigestion, no gas, no
nothing like I used to. My body recovers quicker than I've ever known.
I now sleep better than ever. I don't get tired in the afternoon.  I'm
45. I eat 3000-4000 calories a day and ride 14-18 miles a day right
now, weather permitting.

Most wonder where do I get the protein? Fruits are loaded with
enzymes  which are amino acids proteins.  Yea right, you're
thinking!  All I can say is much of the stuff I thought I knew about
nutrition is just not true.


Listen , when I first heard of this way of eating I thought it was
nuts. No F'n way can someone live on this. I had a real block in the
protein area. I thought there was none. Then I finally got it, that
the enzymes of raw fruit are amino acids, which in turn are the
building blocks of protein. These aminos are the bodies preferred way
of delivery.  I know it's hard to believe, so don't if you can't. But
if you're sick and tired of feeling like crap . it's worth
consideration.

So hey, take it with a grain of salt  or take it into
consideration.   best wishes on a new year.

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[RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[rperks]

Very nice spec!

Assuming it is yours, how long of a reach is on the quill?  I have
been thinking of setting up my rawland like this, but the cockpit is
already on the short side of things.

On Jan 3, 6:17 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure 
 looks like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.  
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 I was up there to check out this bike and observe the videographers.
 The bike is really beefy with those tires.  I've got a photo
 somewhere...

 Esteban
 San Diego, Made it over the snowstorm on the I-5 before it was closed
 in both directions this afternoon Calif

 On Jan 2, 8:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  And the always appreciated valve stem shot (submit yours
  herehttp://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell_valve_stems/
  )!

  The 62cm frame makes those 29ers look like 26 tires!  I'm gonna' have to
  think long and hard about a 58cm frame...

  On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
   just a tease...looks pretty nice, perfect for those back road camping
   tours!

   ~Mike~

   On Jan 2, 6:54 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like a 62cm and shown with 2.25 tires.

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAS7IeATqs0

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[zeidler . robert]

I asked for one just like in the vid-the one You are Hello?  They mentioned 
something about a custom color-matched stem though, so that may not be the one. 
I hate the Diag-a-tube, but waddya gonna do?
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On Jan 3, 6:17 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure 
 looks like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.  
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


You are a very lucky man! That bike looks great. I take it that it is
a 62? I used to run Albatross bars on my Cross Check and liked them a
lot. I may have to put them on my QB at some point.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[zeidler . robert]

My understanding was it was supposed to come w/ a custom, color-matched 150mm 
stem, otherwise that looks like what I axed for. 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

Very nice spec!

Assuming it is yours, how long of a reach is on the quill?  I have
been thinking of setting up my rawland like this, but the cockpit is
already on the short side of things.

On Jan 3, 6:17 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure 
 looks like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.  
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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 Subject: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

 I was up there to check out this bike and observe the videographers.
 The bike is really beefy with those tires.  I've got a photo
 somewhere...

 Esteban
 San Diego, Made it over the snowstorm on the I-5 before it was closed
 in both directions this afternoon Calif

 On Jan 2, 8:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  And the always appreciated valve stem shot (submit yours
  herehttp://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell_valve_stems/
  )!

  The 62cm frame makes those 29ers look like 26 tires!  I'm gonna' have to
  think long and hard about a 58cm frame...

  On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
   just a tease...looks pretty nice, perfect for those back road camping
   tours!

   ~Mike~

   On Jan 2, 6:54 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like a 62cm and shown with 2.25 tires.

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAS7IeATqs0

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[rperks]

Awsome start to the year, great job making it to the end of the ride.
Be sure to share how you work out the bugs on you loading and
fendering etc. with your Roadeo.  I am going through some of the same
issues and hope to get back into some longer distances this year, that
was part of why I bought the Roadeo last year.

On Jan 2, 9:18 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

 Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the report.

 The forecast was for rain all morning, SE wind 5-15 mph in the
 morning, rain stopping and wind dying down in the afternoon; almost
 ideal for an out-and-back that went northeast for the first half.  I
 was worried about being cold and wet, so I packed up an extra pair of
 socks, a pair of gloves, and an spare wool undershirt (those Ibex
 woolies are *fantastic*). I also brought rain pants. I planned to wear
 an Ibex wooly undershirt, a jersey, a rain jacket, polarfleece tights
 over shorts, and wool socks with booties over them. For food I brought
 some brownie bites with peppermint patties in them, and a meat pie,
 plus a flask of gel.

 I overslept yesterday morning, so I had to rush to get out of the
 house. Luckily, I'd packed up everything the night before. In the
 rush, though, I probably didn't eat enough breakfast.

 I arrived in plenty of time, with a good chance to check out the other
 bikes. I didn't see any other Rivs, though I think there may have been
 an orange one I missed. Several riders had beautiful Steve Rex bikes.
 Several riders were using Rivish canvas handlebar bags, some with
 decaleurs. Oddly, about a third of the riders didn't have fenders,
 even though rain was predicted and it was in fact raining.

 Since it was raining steadily at the start, I donned the rain pants. I
 stopped a couple of times near the start of the ride, so ended up
 riding alone, but with a tailwind that didn't matter. The rain tailed
 off after about an hour, and the wind picked up. I was zipping right
 along, not working too hard. What a delight it was to ride an empty
 Highway 1.

 I stopped for a pitstop and snack just north of Pigeon Point, maybe 30
 miles in, but didn't eat very much. Between Pescadero and San Gregorio
 I was catching  up to a tandem. I had visions of that tandem being my
 new best friend on the way back into the wind, but then at the base of
 the hill just north of San Gregorio, I was feeling a little bonkish so
 I stopped for a peppermint, and I didn't see the tandem couple again.
 That hill is pesky-- it's only about three or four hundred feet, but
 it always seems more difficult that I think it should. Perhaps it
 always comes at a difficult time in a ride-. Usually I approach it
 after having climbed Page Mill, Haskins Hill and the two little hills
 on Stage Road, so I'm tired. There are three ways to climb it, and the
 one I was doing, north on Highway 1, is the easiest. Still, I was glad
 to summit and ride the rollers to Half Moon Bay. After Half Moon Bay,
 it was only a few miles to the turnaround.

 I reached the turnaround four hours in, feeling strong, and took the
 last parking spot at the end of the line-up of bikes stretched out
 along the wall of the market. I was hoping for hot soup or a tasty
 sandwich, but the convenience store had only nasty-looking premade
 sandwiches and no soup. I had a chocolate milk, a banana, a brownie
 bite and a couple of bites of meat pie-- not really enough. The people
 still left at the rest stop when I was ready to go looked strong, like
 I wouldn't be able to stay with them, so I headed out alone.

 It was tough. That happy dream of the wind dropping was a
 weatherliar's fantasy. The wind continued just as it had been all day,
 with whitecaps out on the ocean, only now I had to ride into it. I
 figured on stopping every fifteen miles on the way back. The first
 stop was a random beach, where I was the only one enjoying the cold
 windy picnic tables. I didn't linger, and again I didn't eat enough.

 My second stop was at Gazos Creek. I had just leaned my bike against
 the wall to go in the convenience store when I noticed a group of
 cyclists passing. I jumped back on the bike and with my last strength,
 bridged to join them. The benefit was obvious; I could sit in for a
 while and stop fighting the wind I'd been fighting for thirty miles.
 The cost became clear; I needed to eat and to get more water, but I
 didn't. But three angels riding Steve Rex bikes babysat me for the
 rest of the route, as I got weaker and weaker. We stopped in
 Davenport. One of the angels handed me a Coke. I slurped it down, but
 I was still draggling as one of my angels escorted me, slowly, to the
 end of the ride, ten and a half hours after I started.

 Reflections:

 The ride was harder than I expected, and the challenge was different.
 I expected to be cold and wet, but in fact it rained only for about
 the first hour, with a few sprinkles near the 

[RBW] Re: New News Post

[Michael_S]

There were two books that changed my eating and lifestyle... Blue
Zones and the  Skinny B*tch Diet. I have been meat-less ( (fish once a
week) for almost 3 years and have never felt better. I also cut way
back on fruit juices and beer ( boohoo) which dropped my blood
pressure down to perfect.   I am almost as lean as I was in my late
20's and early 30's when I was doing ton's of training and racing ( 54
now). I found the right mix of food and diet for my body/lifestyle.
But everyone is different, some people prefer the meat/vegatble diet,
some raw food and others, grapefruit juice.
I think the thing to take away from these discussions is to experimant
and find the right mix of things that works for each of us.

The other thing I've learned is that most of these new Diet author
have one pupose ... sell their book.

~Mike~

On Jan 3, 9:16 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's just so much mis-information about food out there. It'll make
 your head spin.

 Over the course of this summer I gradually changed from eating lots of
 grains, vegetables, beans, fresh juices, eggs and occasionally chicken
 and beef .. to one of mostly fruit, dark green leafy lettuces
 and a few nuts .

 It's still kind of new me, so I'm being patient. I have occasional
 cooked raw lentils and quinoa or Ezekiel(sprouted) bread.

 I have more energy than I've ever had. No indigestion, no gas, no
 nothing like I used to. My body recovers quicker than I've ever known.
 I now sleep better than ever. I don't get tired in the afternoon.  I'm
 45. I eat 3000-4000 calories a day and ride 14-18 miles a day right
 now, weather permitting.

 Most wonder where do I get the protein? Fruits are loaded with
 enzymes  which are amino acids proteins.  Yea right, you're
 thinking!  All I can say is much of the stuff I thought I knew about
 nutrition is just not true.

 Listen , when I first heard of this way of eating I thought it was
 nuts. No F'n way can someone live on this. I had a real block in the
 protein area. I thought there was none. Then I finally got it, that
 the enzymes of raw fruit are amino acids, which in turn are the
 building blocks of protein. These aminos are the bodies preferred way
 of delivery.  I know it's hard to believe, so don't if you can't. But
 if you're sick and tired of feeling like crap . it's worth
 consideration.

 So hey, take it with a grain of salt  or take it into
 consideration.   best wishes on a new year.

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Michael_S]

Very nice story and good info for a new Brevet rider. I am planning on
at least one 200k this year which will be my 1st. Your detailed
account will help me plan equipment choices and approach ( well maybe
not the meat pie). One issue I see is that all of the 200k rides are
very early in the year or later after summer.  I may have to wait
until the later ones as a hip injury kept my mileage low in December.

~Mike~

On Jan 3, 9:38 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 Awsome start to the year, great job making it to the end of the ride.
 Be sure to share how you work out the bugs on you loading and
 fendering etc. with your Roadeo.  I am going through some of the same
 issues and hope to get back into some longer distances this year, that
 was part of why I bought the Roadeo last year.

 On Jan 2, 9:18 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:



  As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

  Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the report.

  The forecast was for rain all morning, SE wind 5-15 mph in the
  morning, rain stopping and wind dying down in the afternoon; almost
  ideal for an out-and-back that went northeast for the first half.  I
  was worried about being cold and wet, so I packed up an extra pair of
  socks, a pair of gloves, and an spare wool undershirt (those Ibex
  woolies are *fantastic*). I also brought rain pants. I planned to wear
  an Ibex wooly undershirt, a jersey, a rain jacket, polarfleece tights
  over shorts, and wool socks with booties over them. For food I brought
  some brownie bites with peppermint patties in them, and a meat pie,
  plus a flask of gel.

  I overslept yesterday morning, so I had to rush to get out of the
  house. Luckily, I'd packed up everything the night before. In the
  rush, though, I probably didn't eat enough breakfast.

  I arrived in plenty of time, with a good chance to check out the other
  bikes. I didn't see any other Rivs, though I think there may have been
  an orange one I missed. Several riders had beautiful Steve Rex bikes.
  Several riders were using Rivish canvas handlebar bags, some with
  decaleurs. Oddly, about a third of the riders didn't have fenders,
  even though rain was predicted and it was in fact raining.

  Since it was raining steadily at the start, I donned the rain pants. I
  stopped a couple of times near the start of the ride, so ended up
  riding alone, but with a tailwind that didn't matter. The rain tailed
  off after about an hour, and the wind picked up. I was zipping right
  along, not working too hard. What a delight it was to ride an empty
  Highway 1.

  I stopped for a pitstop and snack just north of Pigeon Point, maybe 30
  miles in, but didn't eat very much. Between Pescadero and San Gregorio
  I was catching  up to a tandem. I had visions of that tandem being my
  new best friend on the way back into the wind, but then at the base of
  the hill just north of San Gregorio, I was feeling a little bonkish so
  I stopped for a peppermint, and I didn't see the tandem couple again.
  That hill is pesky-- it's only about three or four hundred feet, but
  it always seems more difficult that I think it should. Perhaps it
  always comes at a difficult time in a ride-. Usually I approach it
  after having climbed Page Mill, Haskins Hill and the two little hills
  on Stage Road, so I'm tired. There are three ways to climb it, and the
  one I was doing, north on Highway 1, is the easiest. Still, I was glad
  to summit and ride the rollers to Half Moon Bay. After Half Moon Bay,
  it was only a few miles to the turnaround.

  I reached the turnaround four hours in, feeling strong, and took the
  last parking spot at the end of the line-up of bikes stretched out
  along the wall of the market. I was hoping for hot soup or a tasty
  sandwich, but the convenience store had only nasty-looking premade
  sandwiches and no soup. I had a chocolate milk, a banana, a brownie
  bite and a couple of bites of meat pie-- not really enough. The people
  still left at the rest stop when I was ready to go looked strong, like
  I wouldn't be able to stay with them, so I headed out alone.

  It was tough. That happy dream of the wind dropping was a
  weatherliar's fantasy. The wind continued just as it had been all day,
  with whitecaps out on the ocean, only now I had to ride into it. I
  figured on stopping every fifteen miles on the way back. The first
  stop was a random beach, where I was the only one enjoying the cold
  windy picnic tables. I didn't linger, and again I didn't eat enough.

  My second stop was at Gazos Creek. I had just leaned my bike against
  the wall to go in the convenience store when I noticed a group of
  cyclists passing. I jumped back on the bike and with my last strength,
  bridged to join them. The benefit was obvious; I could sit in for a
  while and stop fighting the wind I'd been fighting for thirty miles.
  The cost became clear; I needed to eat and to get more 

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[doug peterson]

Anne:

A bar tube bag is a great place to keep food.  They hold a suprising
amount but don't get in the way or affect the bikes handling the way a
larger bag may.

dougP

On Jan 2, 9:18 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

 Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the report.

 The forecast was for rain all morning, SE wind 5-15 mph in the
 morning, rain stopping and wind dying down in the afternoon; almost
 ideal for an out-and-back that went northeast for the first half.  I
 was worried about being cold and wet, so I packed up an extra pair of
 socks, a pair of gloves, and an spare wool undershirt (those Ibex
 woolies are *fantastic*). I also brought rain pants. I planned to wear
 an Ibex wooly undershirt, a jersey, a rain jacket, polarfleece tights
 over shorts, and wool socks with booties over them. For food I brought
 some brownie bites with peppermint patties in them, and a meat pie,
 plus a flask of gel.

 I overslept yesterday morning, so I had to rush to get out of the
 house. Luckily, I'd packed up everything the night before. In the
 rush, though, I probably didn't eat enough breakfast.

 I arrived in plenty of time, with a good chance to check out the other
 bikes. I didn't see any other Rivs, though I think there may have been
 an orange one I missed. Several riders had beautiful Steve Rex bikes.
 Several riders were using Rivish canvas handlebar bags, some with
 decaleurs. Oddly, about a third of the riders didn't have fenders,
 even though rain was predicted and it was in fact raining.

 Since it was raining steadily at the start, I donned the rain pants. I
 stopped a couple of times near the start of the ride, so ended up
 riding alone, but with a tailwind that didn't matter. The rain tailed
 off after about an hour, and the wind picked up. I was zipping right
 along, not working too hard. What a delight it was to ride an empty
 Highway 1.

 I stopped for a pitstop and snack just north of Pigeon Point, maybe 30
 miles in, but didn't eat very much. Between Pescadero and San Gregorio
 I was catching  up to a tandem. I had visions of that tandem being my
 new best friend on the way back into the wind, but then at the base of
 the hill just north of San Gregorio, I was feeling a little bonkish so
 I stopped for a peppermint, and I didn't see the tandem couple again.
 That hill is pesky-- it's only about three or four hundred feet, but
 it always seems more difficult that I think it should. Perhaps it
 always comes at a difficult time in a ride-. Usually I approach it
 after having climbed Page Mill, Haskins Hill and the two little hills
 on Stage Road, so I'm tired. There are three ways to climb it, and the
 one I was doing, north on Highway 1, is the easiest. Still, I was glad
 to summit and ride the rollers to Half Moon Bay. After Half Moon Bay,
 it was only a few miles to the turnaround.

 I reached the turnaround four hours in, feeling strong, and took the
 last parking spot at the end of the line-up of bikes stretched out
 along the wall of the market. I was hoping for hot soup or a tasty
 sandwich, but the convenience store had only nasty-looking premade
 sandwiches and no soup. I had a chocolate milk, a banana, a brownie
 bite and a couple of bites of meat pie-- not really enough. The people
 still left at the rest stop when I was ready to go looked strong, like
 I wouldn't be able to stay with them, so I headed out alone.

 It was tough. That happy dream of the wind dropping was a
 weatherliar's fantasy. The wind continued just as it had been all day,
 with whitecaps out on the ocean, only now I had to ride into it. I
 figured on stopping every fifteen miles on the way back. The first
 stop was a random beach, where I was the only one enjoying the cold
 windy picnic tables. I didn't linger, and again I didn't eat enough.

 My second stop was at Gazos Creek. I had just leaned my bike against
 the wall to go in the convenience store when I noticed a group of
 cyclists passing. I jumped back on the bike and with my last strength,
 bridged to join them. The benefit was obvious; I could sit in for a
 while and stop fighting the wind I'd been fighting for thirty miles.
 The cost became clear; I needed to eat and to get more water, but I
 didn't. But three angels riding Steve Rex bikes babysat me for the
 rest of the route, as I got weaker and weaker. We stopped in
 Davenport. One of the angels handed me a Coke. I slurped it down, but
 I was still draggling as one of my angels escorted me, slowly, to the
 end of the ride, ten and a half hours after I started.

 Reflections:

 The ride was harder than I expected, and the challenge was different.
 I expected to be cold and wet, but in fact it rained only for about
 the first hour, with a few sprinkles near the end. But the wind was
 tough. The main problem, though, was my (stupidly unrecognized at the
 time) lack of food. I didn't drink enough, and I didn't 

[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[William]

Anne

Thanks for the write up.  I'm ramping up for my first 200k brevet on
the 22nd.  Several key points for me:

1.  It's possible, even if it's cold windy and rainy
2.  Be happy how well my bike handles with a largish handlebar bag
3.  Fill said handlebar bag with food
4.  Commit oneself to consume said food

On Jan 3, 10:58 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Anne:

 A bar tube bag is a great place to keep food.  They hold a suprising
 amount but don't get in the way or affect the bikes handling the way a
 larger bag may.

 dougP

 On Jan 2, 9:18 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

  As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

  Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the report.

  The forecast was for rain all morning, SE wind 5-15 mph in the
  morning, rain stopping and wind dying down in the afternoon; almost
  ideal for an out-and-back that went northeast for the first half.  I
  was worried about being cold and wet, so I packed up an extra pair of
  socks, a pair of gloves, and an spare wool undershirt (those Ibex
  woolies are *fantastic*). I also brought rain pants. I planned to wear
  an Ibex wooly undershirt, a jersey, a rain jacket, polarfleece tights
  over shorts, and wool socks with booties over them. For food I brought
  some brownie bites with peppermint patties in them, and a meat pie,
  plus a flask of gel.

  I overslept yesterday morning, so I had to rush to get out of the
  house. Luckily, I'd packed up everything the night before. In the
  rush, though, I probably didn't eat enough breakfast.

  I arrived in plenty of time, with a good chance to check out the other
  bikes. I didn't see any other Rivs, though I think there may have been
  an orange one I missed. Several riders had beautiful Steve Rex bikes.
  Several riders were using Rivish canvas handlebar bags, some with
  decaleurs. Oddly, about a third of the riders didn't have fenders,
  even though rain was predicted and it was in fact raining.

  Since it was raining steadily at the start, I donned the rain pants. I
  stopped a couple of times near the start of the ride, so ended up
  riding alone, but with a tailwind that didn't matter. The rain tailed
  off after about an hour, and the wind picked up. I was zipping right
  along, not working too hard. What a delight it was to ride an empty
  Highway 1.

  I stopped for a pitstop and snack just north of Pigeon Point, maybe 30
  miles in, but didn't eat very much. Between Pescadero and San Gregorio
  I was catching  up to a tandem. I had visions of that tandem being my
  new best friend on the way back into the wind, but then at the base of
  the hill just north of San Gregorio, I was feeling a little bonkish so
  I stopped for a peppermint, and I didn't see the tandem couple again.
  That hill is pesky-- it's only about three or four hundred feet, but
  it always seems more difficult that I think it should. Perhaps it
  always comes at a difficult time in a ride-. Usually I approach it
  after having climbed Page Mill, Haskins Hill and the two little hills
  on Stage Road, so I'm tired. There are three ways to climb it, and the
  one I was doing, north on Highway 1, is the easiest. Still, I was glad
  to summit and ride the rollers to Half Moon Bay. After Half Moon Bay,
  it was only a few miles to the turnaround.

  I reached the turnaround four hours in, feeling strong, and took the
  last parking spot at the end of the line-up of bikes stretched out
  along the wall of the market. I was hoping for hot soup or a tasty
  sandwich, but the convenience store had only nasty-looking premade
  sandwiches and no soup. I had a chocolate milk, a banana, a brownie
  bite and a couple of bites of meat pie-- not really enough. The people
  still left at the rest stop when I was ready to go looked strong, like
  I wouldn't be able to stay with them, so I headed out alone.

  It was tough. That happy dream of the wind dropping was a
  weatherliar's fantasy. The wind continued just as it had been all day,
  with whitecaps out on the ocean, only now I had to ride into it. I
  figured on stopping every fifteen miles on the way back. The first
  stop was a random beach, where I was the only one enjoying the cold
  windy picnic tables. I didn't linger, and again I didn't eat enough.

  My second stop was at Gazos Creek. I had just leaned my bike against
  the wall to go in the convenience store when I noticed a group of
  cyclists passing. I jumped back on the bike and with my last strength,
  bridged to join them. The benefit was obvious; I could sit in for a
  while and stop fighting the wind I'd been fighting for thirty miles.
  The cost became clear; I needed to eat and to get more water, but I
  didn't. But three angels riding Steve Rex bikes babysat me for the
  rest of the route, as I got weaker and weaker. We stopped in
  Davenport. One of the angels handed me a Coke. I slurped it down, but
  I was still draggling as one of my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Anne Paulson]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anne

 Thanks for the write up.  I'm ramping up for my first 200k brevet on
 the 22nd.  Several key points for me:

 1.  It's possible, even if it's cold windy and rainy

Absolutely! Wear wool, of course, but you knew that. I like the idea
of bringing along an extra pair of socks, even though I didn't end up
wearing mine.

You'll be fine. Good luck, and have fun.

 2.  Be happy how well my bike handles with a largish handlebar bag

What bike do you have, and what size? I haven't actually tried a
handlebar bag on my Roadeo, but I suspect that part of my dislike of
the a bag is because I'm female, with considerably less upper body
strength than men. Of course I can still steer the bike if it has a
handlebar bag-- I used to captain a tandem, which also requires more
muscling of the bike. But I notice the difference between a light
front end and a heavier front end. For example, one of my Atlantises
has a Nitto front rack, and the other doesn't. Even with no pannier on
the rack, I notice an enormous difference in handling. Others, perhaps
people who are stronger, wouldn't find a difference.

I forgot to mention in my writeup that a friend of mine was also
riding the brevet. She's a newer rider, very very strong, but she has
been influenced by the racey weight weenie carbon fiber crowd which is
far too prevalent in my area, so she rides one of those racey bikes.
She had put a handlebar bag on her bike, and she had to abandon
because she was unable to control the bike in the headwind. Now, those
racey bikes tend to have twitchy handling and are unsuited to...well,
unsuited to a lot of things, including wearing handlebar bags. But I
suspect that a man with her comparable level of fitness might have
been able to wrestle his bike into submission.  (She thinks she needs
to find another way to carry stuff on her bike for randonees. I think
she needs to find a different bike. ;)  )
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[CycloFiend]

on 1/3/11 11:23 AM, Anne Paulson at anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 (She thinks she needs
 to find another way to carry stuff on her bike for randonees. I think
 she needs to find a different bike. ;)  )

First ride is free... ;^)

Have her take your Roadeo around the block, preferably on a rainy day when
there are plenty of puddles on the ground.

- Jim Amazed to see so many fenderless riders over this past weekend...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Anne Paulson]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:28 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:


 Have her take your Roadeo around the block, preferably on a rainy day when
 there are plenty of puddles on the ground.

 - Jim Amazed to see so many fenderless riders over this past weekend...

I know what would happen if she took my Roadeo for a ride. She'd pick
it up, and say, This bike is too heavy. Good thing her bike is so
light-- makes it easy to load in a car when she abandons.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

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on 1/3/11 11:10 AM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the write up.  I'm ramping up for my first 200k brevet on
 the 22nd.  Several key points for me:
 
 1.  It's possible, even if it's cold windy and rainy
 2.  Be happy how well my bike handles with a largish handlebar bag
 3.  Fill said handlebar bag with food
 4.  Commit oneself to consume said food

William, for your ride, I'd add Know the route

I think you are talking about the SFR 200K Lighthouse Brevet.  There are a
few routing challenges early on (and the last 20 miles), so if you aren't
familiar with the course, you might run just the first leg (to Fairfax) and
back.  Each time I've ridden it, we've picked up out-of-towners who had
gotten themselves good and lost (mostly on the return leg).

The leg out to the Lighthouse can be challenging. No services or water
easily accessible once you roll past Inverness. It's very exposed once you
get past the oyster farms, and the Lighthouse Point looks vvveeeyyy far
away when you first glimpse it. But, most of that is just a mental
challenge.

It is a gorgeous, wonderful ride, and the SFR group is top drawer.

- Jim Work schedule making me miss that one this year...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

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Oh snaps!

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:



 I know what would happen if she took my Roadeo for a ride. She'd pick
 it up, and say, This bike is too heavy. Good thing her bike is so
 light-- makes it easy to load in a car when she abandons.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[CycloFiend]

Hey there William -

Good luck in the Lighthouse ride!  I'll miss that one (though I _may_ roll
over to the finish to cheer folks in - definitely don't have the miles this
year.)

I have a few writeups of my experiences here:

http://cyclofiend.com/brevet/

Also, ride-buddy JimG has his:

http://yojimg.net/bike

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/sets/72157603804144098/

And Carlos' has lots of writeups and info on his bike site here:

http://bike.duque.net

Hope that gives you some info - happy to assist in any questions, etc.

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Anne Paulson]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:36 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:


 I think you are talking about the SFR 200K Lighthouse Brevet.  There are a
 few routing challenges early on (and the last 20 miles), so if you aren't
 familiar with the course, you might run just the first leg (to Fairfax) and
 back.  Each time I've ridden it, we've picked up out-of-towners who had
 gotten themselves good and lost (mostly on the return leg).


Yeah-- if you're a cyclist in San Francisco, you've probably done that
first/last 25 miles a zillion times and it seems routine. But if
you're from out of town, it's a complicated route over the bridge,
through the confusing section at the north end of the bridge (where
the routing changes by time of day and is complicated on the return
trip) and then a rather dreary ride through 47 suburbs with random
turns here and there. It's easy to get lost; I have done so several
times.

So if doing that brevet, find a local friend to ride with.

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[William]

  2.  Be happy how well my bike handles with a largish handlebar
bag

 What bike do you have, and what size? 

The bike I have set up specifically for brevet riding is a 58cm 650B
wheeled A. Homer Hilsen.  I did the ride in to the office today (60km
from El Cerrito to South Hayward) along Grizzly Peak -- Skyline --
Redwood.  I have a Mark's Rack, a Berthoud decaleur and a Loyal
Designs Handlebar bag.  The bike handles like there's nothing on
there.  I steer with my hips just like an unloaded bar.  The only time
I notice the presence of the bag is when I'm parking the bike, it
wants to flop over.  Low speed climbing (under 10mph) I guess I can
feel the front end want to wander a bit, but no more than anything
else.  Previous touring bikes I've owned I'd never even attempt to
ride no-handed when I had a handlebar bag on, but my Hilsen is solid
as a rock no-handed.  Today I had a light and rechargeable battery
pack in there, wallet, keys, phone, a few bars, two extra pairs of
gloves, hat, all loose.  Probably 6 or 7 pounds of junk and the bike
handled spectacularly well.

On Jan 3, 11:23 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Anne

  Thanks for the write up.  I'm ramping up for my first 200k brevet on
  the 22nd.  Several key points for me:

  1.  It's possible, even if it's cold windy and rainy

 Absolutely! Wear wool, of course, but you knew that. I like the idea
 of bringing along an extra pair of socks, even though I didn't end up
 wearing mine.

 You'll be fine. Good luck, and have fun.

  2.  Be happy how well my bike handles with a largish handlebar bag

 What bike do you have, and what size? I haven't actually tried a
 handlebar bag on my Roadeo, but I suspect that part of my dislike of
 the a bag is because I'm female, with considerably less upper body
 strength than men. Of course I can still steer the bike if it has a
 handlebar bag-- I used to captain a tandem, which also requires more
 muscling of the bike. But I notice the difference between a light
 front end and a heavier front end. For example, one of my Atlantises
 has a Nitto front rack, and the other doesn't. Even with no pannier on
 the rack, I notice an enormous difference in handling. Others, perhaps
 people who are stronger, wouldn't find a difference.

 I forgot to mention in my writeup that a friend of mine was also
 riding the brevet. She's a newer rider, very very strong, but she has
 been influenced by the racey weight weenie carbon fiber crowd which is
 far too prevalent in my area, so she rides one of those racey bikes.
 She had put a handlebar bag on her bike, and she had to abandon
 because she was unable to control the bike in the headwind. Now, those
 racey bikes tend to have twitchy handling and are unsuited to...well,
 unsuited to a lot of things, including wearing handlebar bags. But I
 suspect that a man with her comparable level of fitness might have
 been able to wrestle his bike into submission.  (She thinks she needs
 to find another way to carry stuff on her bike for randonees. I think
 she needs to find a different bike. ;)  )
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 11:23 -0800, Anne Paulson wrote:
 suspect that part of my dislike of
 the a bag is because I'm female, with considerably less upper body
 strength than men.

Maybe if there's something wrong with your bike's geometry, you might
need upper body strength to fight the handlebars and horse around the
weight.  But then, what's wrong with that picture is with the proper
geometry, you don't have to fight the weight, it's absolutely
undetectable and has no affect on the steering, so no additional
strength is required.  What's more, that geometry gives you light
steering that is easy to fine tune with no effort at all.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Anne Paulson]

The Atlantis has something wrong with its geometry? What's the
difference between the geometry of my Atlantis and the geometry of
William's Hilsen?

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 11:23 -0800, Anne Paulson wrote:
 suspect that part of my dislike of
 the a bag is because I'm female, with considerably less upper body
 strength than men.

 Maybe if there's something wrong with your bike's geometry, you might
 need upper body strength to fight the handlebars and horse around the
 weight.  But then, what's wrong with that picture is with the proper
 geometry, you don't have to fight the weight, it's absolutely
 undetectable and has no affect on the steering, so no additional
 strength is required.  What's more, that geometry gives you light
 steering that is easy to fine tune with no effort at all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 12:02 -0800, Anne Paulson wrote:
 The Atlantis has something wrong with its geometry? What's the
 difference between the geometry of my Atlantis and the geometry of
 William's Hilsen?

The Atlantis doesn't have geometry intended for use with a heavily
loaded handlebar bag.  I can't compare it with a Hilsen, but I can
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Anne Paulson]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:


 The Atlantis doesn't have geometry intended for use with a heavily
 loaded handlebar bag.  I can't compare it with a Hilsen, but I can
 compare with a Kogswell P/R.

So what's the tradeoff? Grant designed the Atlantis's geometry
intentionally, to do whatever it is he likes. If he had instead made
it like the Kogswell, what would he have been giving up to get the
neutral handling with a handlebar bag?

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[RBW] How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Michael Shaljian]

I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
'09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[williwoods]

they are toast when you see the tube sticking out. lol

good question, I would like to know as well.



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 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[cyclotourist]

No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good sign that
the end is imminent.  From there it'll start being more common to get flats
due to the thinner rubber.  Also check your sidewalls from cracking/damage.
That's where my tires tend to go bad due to heat in the garage.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:44 PM, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:

 they are toast when you see the tube sticking out. lol

 good question, I would like to know as well.



 On Jan 3, 12:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
  '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
  just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
  the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
  these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?
 
  If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
  smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
  is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
  than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
  to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[MichaelH]

The look of the tread is rarely the first sign of tire wear.  Usually
the sidewalls show wear first.  I have had tires go significantly past
3,000 miles.  Usually the rear wheel shows significant wear first, but
since I would never, ever want a front tire blow out, I always change
them at the same time.  Bottom line, keep an eye on them, but don't
rush to judgement.

michael

On Jan 3, 3:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[William]

***slowly backs away from a thread veering towards the dreaded trail
vortex***

On Jan 3, 12:09 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

  The Atlantis doesn't have geometry intended for use with a heavily
  loaded handlebar bag.  I can't compare it with a Hilsen, but I can
  compare with a Kogswell P/R.

 So what's the tradeoff? Grant designed the Atlantis's geometry
 intentionally, to do whatever it is he likes. If he had instead made
 it like the Kogswell, what would he have been giving up to get the
 neutral handling with a handlebar bag?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 12:47 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
 No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
 starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good sign
 that the end is imminent.  

I don't know  about the Jack Browns, but with the Ruffy Tuffy you could
generally get over 2,000 miles more after the checks wore off.  The
tread on the RT was rather thick, and even with the tread absolutely
squared off there was still plenty of tread left.


 From there it'll start being more common to get flats due to the
 thinner rubber.  

That's the most reliable sign in my experience.



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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Ray Shine]

I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun can 
really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur on the 
thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are likely to just blow 
out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and usually can not be repaired. 
Flats in the contact band can most often be repaired. 

Sent From My iPhone

On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:52 PM, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 On Jan 3, 12:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
 starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good sign that
 the end is imminent.  From there it'll start being more common to get flats
 due to the thinner rubber.  Also check your sidewalls from cracking/damage.
 That's where my tires tend to go bad due to heat in the garage.
 
 
 Agree, Sheldon Brown sums it up here:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html#wear
 
 Also, if you want your stash of tires to last, don't forget to read
 Sheldon on tire rotation:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
 
 Good Luck!
 
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RE: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Aw, it was much more humorous as auto-corrected... 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Shine
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

In my last post, the iPhone auto spell corrected sidewalls to sidewalks, if it 
wasn't already obvious.

Sent From My iPhone

On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun can 
 really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur on the 
 thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are likely to just 
 blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and usually can not be 
 repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often be repaired. 
 
 Sent From My iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:52 PM, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 12:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
 starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good 
 sign that the end is imminent.  From there it'll start being more 
 common to get flats due to the thinner rubber.  Also check your sidewalls 
 from cracking/damage.
 That's where my tires tend to go bad due to heat in the garage.
 
 
 Agree, Sheldon Brown sums it up here:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html#wear
 
 Also, if you want your stash of tires to last, don't forget to read 
 Sheldon on tire rotation:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
 
 Good Luck!
 
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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[doug peterson]

I've been using Schwalbes for a few years.  When the V tread is
completely worn off in the center of the tire, I figure they've earned
their keep.  They usually go 5-6k on a rear at 35 mm width.

dougP

On Jan 3, 12:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
 I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
 can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
 on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
 likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
 usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
 be repaired. 

It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
a lot on local environmental conditions.



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[RBW] Rebates!

[William]

Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of
the week.  What have you been living without that you no longer will
be able to live without once your rebate is in?

For those who don't know.  Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members.
Members pay $20 a year to be members.  You get a free year if you buy
a frame or a bike.  I use this to justify buying at least one frame
per year :).

I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get
a rebate?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[cyclotourist]

My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
  I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
  can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
  on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
  likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
  usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
  be repaired.

 It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
 mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
 have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
 inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
 a lot on local environmental conditions.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[CycloFiend]

on 1/3/11 12:09 PM, Anne Paulson at anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 
 
 The Atlantis doesn't have geometry intended for use with a heavily
 loaded handlebar bag.  I can't compare it with a Hilsen, but I can
 compare with a Kogswell P/R.
 
 So what's the tradeoff? Grant designed the Atlantis's geometry
 intentionally, to do whatever it is he likes. If he had instead made
 it like the Kogswell, what would he have been giving up to get the
 neutral handling with a handlebar bag?

There have been a number of threads regarding geometry and high vs. low
trail over on the ibob list. There are strong opinions and proponents of
each approach, and you can get a good sense of the specific tradeoffs of
each design choice.

It's probably better to start a new thread (rather than rename this one), if
folks want to discuss this again. We have talked about it, and IIRC, GP even
offered up some of his observations on the subject. Here's a quick, gotta
get back to work search on this list -

http://tinyurl.com/rbw-trail-talk

- Jim / list admin

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[William]

Your tires are worn out when the urge to try a new set of tires
overcomes you.

On Jan 3, 1:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
 so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
 are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
 corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...



 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
   I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
   can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
   on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
   likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
   usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
   be repaired.

  It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
  mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
  have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
  inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
  a lot on local environmental conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Rebates!

[Michael_S]

I had no idea... I did buy 3 years of membership in '09, I guess mine
will last into '13 now.

thanks

~Mike~

On Jan 3, 1:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of
 the week.  What have you been living without that you no longer will
 be able to live without once your rebate is in?

 For those who don't know.  Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members.
 Members pay $20 a year to be members.  You get a free year if you buy
 a frame or a bike.  I use this to justify buying at least one frame
 per year :).

 I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get
 a rebate?

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Re: [RBW] Rebates!

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:42 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of
 the week.  What have you been living without that you no longer will
 be able to live without once your rebate is in?

 For those who don't know.  Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members.
 Members pay $20 a year to be members.  You get a free year if you buy
 a frame or a bike.  I use this to justify buying at least one frame
 per year :).


Right now given what I spent this year I can buy a new membership
and like 4 brake cables. :)

which works out fine - maybe I should buy a frame - I do need
something new to tinker on.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] How do you know when tires are worn out?

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on 1/3/11 12:24 PM, Michael Shaljian at mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?
 
 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

I would remove the rear tire and check with my fingers.  You can feel the
thickness off-center and estimate how thick the rubber is in the middle.  If
you do this to a new tire, you'll get an idea of how much you've worn.

Off the top of my head, the checkerboard file tread is gone in the first
third of my JB's lifespan.  It goes for a while after that.

Others have offered salient advice on sidewall deterioration and increasing
number of flats (from shards, rather than big honkin' pieces o' glass).

- Jim

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[RBW] Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[AmiSingh]

Question for the group.

It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
saddles on our bikes so closely?

Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Philip Williamson]

My sidewalls go the same way, at least when I bought tan-wall Paselas
and lived in CA. I don't do either anymore.
I do still ride on gravel roads, rocky logging roads and other stupid
places, it's just a lot cooler and damper in OR.

As outlined in Sheldon's Tire-rotation article, I move tires
'through' the bike from front to back. New tire on front, old front on
rear, old rear in trash.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Jan 3, 1:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
 so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
 are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
 corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...









 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
   I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
   can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
   on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
   likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
   usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
   be repaired.

  It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
  mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
  have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
  inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
  a lot on local environmental conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[William]

Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a
cheapskate on things like that.  Second reason is that I like the cool
colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap.  Did I mention
that I'm cheap?

On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Question for the group.

 It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
 cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

 Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
 of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
 saddles on our bikes so closely?

 Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Peter Pesce]

+1 for cheap.

I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap
the bars.
Cloth is cheap. The shellacking IS a pain, though.
I've heard great things about Fizik tape and I might try some next
time around.
Anyone have any experience with re-using bar tape (Fizik or
otherwise?)

-Pete

On Jan 3, 4:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Question for the group.

 It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
 cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

 Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
 of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
 saddles on our bikes so closely?

 Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Jim Cloud]

I'm using the Fizik Microtex handle bar tape on both of my bikes.  The
most recently installed is a very nice Honey Brown color for my
Rivendell Road Standard.  That color is great to match a honey brown
Brooks saddle, like the B.17 Special that is on my Riv.  Unfortunately
the honey brown color of Fizik Microtex, as well as their Antique
Brown color are only available presently from the UK or in Europe.  I
ordered my tape from a UK source and I've found it available from
another at an even better price:  
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=46974
(The price from this source compares fairly well with domestic
pricing, where the tape typically sells for $17.99 plus local taxes,
or shipping).

It seemed strange to me that these colors of the Fizik Microtex tape
have been available in the UK for more than a year, but not in the
U.S.  After a conversation with the owner of my favorite LBS, I've
discovered the reason.  He told me that the U.S. distributor for Fizik
also imports the pricey Brooks leather handlebar tape.  Apparently,
they don't want the less expensive Fizik tape to compete with the
Brooks leather tape.  Go figure...

I've never tried to re-wrap my handlebars with the Fizik bar tape.  I
don't, however, think that it would be too suitable for re-wrapping
(it's obviously not as cheap as cloth tape).  I personally prefer the
Fizik Microtex tape to cloth, and I've used cloth for around 40 years!

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Jan 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote:
 +1 for cheap.

 I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap
 the bars.
 Cloth is cheap. The shellacking IS a pain, though.
 I've heard great things about Fizik tape and I might try some next
 time around.
 Anyone have any experience with re-using bar tape (Fizik or
 otherwise?)

 -Pete

 On Jan 3, 4:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:







  Question for the group.

  It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
  cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

  Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
  of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
  saddles on our bikes so closely?

  Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:06 -0800, AmiSingh wrote:
 Question for the group.
 
 It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
 cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.
 
 Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
 of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
 saddles on our bikes so closely?
 
 Why not just use leather bar wrap?


I like leather bar wrap.  It looks good, feels good, and lasts a long, long 
time.  Leather bar wrap will outlast cloth by at least 3 to 1, maybe more, and 
will outlast cork as well.  In the long run, cloth is probably more expensive 
than leather bar wrap, when you figure in how often you have to replace it.



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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Clayton Scott]

Leather is slippery when wet. At least the stuff I tried.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:06 -0800, AmiSingh wrote:
  Question for the group.
 
  It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
  cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.
 
  Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
  of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
  saddles on our bikes so closely?
 
  Why not just use leather bar wrap?


 I like leather bar wrap.  It looks good, feels good, and lasts a long, long
 time.  Leather bar wrap will outlast cloth by at least 3 to 1, maybe more,
 and will outlast cork as well.  In the long run, cloth is probably more
 expensive than leather bar wrap, when you figure in how often you have to
 replace it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Rene Sterental]

The Hilsen and Atlantis have the same geometry, according to their
specs on the Riv site. I don't know if tubing alone could be
responsible for any difference, but wheel/tire size may.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:00 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 ***slowly backs away from a thread veering towards the dreaded trail
 vortex***

 On Jan 3, 12:09 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 The Atlantis doesn't have geometry intended for use with a heavily
 loaded handlebar bag.  I can't compare it with a Hilsen, but I can
 compare with a Kogswell P/R.

 So what's the tradeoff? Grant designed the Atlantis's geometry
 intentionally, to do whatever it is he likes. If he had instead made
 it like the Kogswell, what would he have been giving up to get the
 neutral handling with a handlebar bag?

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[RBW] Re: Rebates!

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Hmmm my rebate certainly won't cover any of these completely but
might help subsidize one of the following...

1) olive SaddleSack TourSacks
2) olive SaddleSack Large (I am an unrepentant self-professed bag-
matcher and I'm sure could find a good home for my slightly-abused
black one)
3a) 40-spoke Dyad/Phil-IRD rear wheel from Wheelmaster Lesnik (got one
now but not for the #2 bike)
3b) 36-spoke Dyad/Phil front wheel from Wheelmaster Lesnik (don't have
one at all now)
4) pair of Marathon Supremes
5) SaddleSack Small (tweed, baby... tweed)
6) ooh... ooh... a Phil bottom bracket/rings/tools hmmm...
7) a hoody (okay, the rebate might cover the hoody)

Basically, that's a wish list. Really has nothing to do with the
rebate, I guess.

What I *should* get is the front wheel so I can have a nice strong
wheelset with cartridge bearings. That's what I *should* do. You know,
it's amazing how inconsistently that predicts what I actually do

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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 Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of
 the week.  What have you been living without that you no longer will
 be able to live without once your rebate is in?

 For those who don't know.  Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members.
 Members pay $20 a year to be members.  You get a free year if you buy
 a frame or a bike.  I use this to justify buying at least one frame
 per year :).

 I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get
 a rebate?

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[RBW] Re: Rebates!

[William]

...since I was fortunate enough to buy 3 frames this year (perhaps the
last 3 frames I buy), mine promises to be pretty good sized.  My list
includes (in no particular order):

1.  Marathon Duremes
2.  Nitto Big rear rack
3.  Nitto Big front rack
4.  A second Mark's rack
5.  A Rich-built dynamo front wheel
6.  Spare 650B stuff (rims and tires)

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wrote:
 Hmmm my rebate certainly won't cover any of these completely but
 might help subsidize one of the following...

 1) olive SaddleSack TourSacks
 2) olive SaddleSack Large (I am an unrepentant self-professed bag-
 matcher and I'm sure could find a good home for my slightly-abused
 black one)
 3a) 40-spoke Dyad/Phil-IRD rear wheel from Wheelmaster Lesnik (got one
 now but not for the #2 bike)
 3b) 36-spoke Dyad/Phil front wheel from Wheelmaster Lesnik (don't have
 one at all now)
 4) pair of Marathon Supremes
 5) SaddleSack Small (tweed, baby... tweed)
 6) ooh... ooh... a Phil bottom bracket/rings/tools hmmm...
 7) a hoody (okay, the rebate might cover the hoody)

 Basically, that's a wish list. Really has nothing to do with the
 rebate, I guess.

 What I *should* get is the front wheel so I can have a nice strong
 wheelset with cartridge bearings. That's what I *should* do. You know,
 it's amazing how inconsistently that predicts what I actually do

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On Jan 3, 3:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of
  the week.  What have you been living without that you no longer will
  be able to live without once your rebate is in?

  For those who don't know.  Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members.
  Members pay $20 a year to be members.  You get a free year if you buy
  a frame or a bike.  I use this to justify buying at least one frame
  per year :).

  I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get
  a rebate?



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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[eflayer]

Hello Jime Cloud - how about a couple of photos of the Fizik brown
taped wrapped bars.

Would love to see what it looks like on a finished bike.

Thanks,
Eddie

On Jan 3, 3:07 pm, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote:
 Leather is slippery when wet. At least the stuff I tried.



 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:06 -0800, AmiSingh wrote:
   Question for the group.

   It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
   cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

   Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
   of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
   saddles on our bikes so closely?

   Why not just use leather bar wrap?

  I like leather bar wrap.  It looks good, feels good, and lasts a long, long
  time.  Leather bar wrap will outlast cloth by at least 3 to 1, maybe more,
  and will outlast cork as well.  In the long run, cloth is probably more
  expensive than leather bar wrap, when you figure in how often you have to
  replace it.

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Tim McNamara]

On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Michael Shaljian wrote:

 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?
 
 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

I change out the rear tire usually after getting a flat and noticing that the 
threads of the casing are showing...

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Peter Pesce]

Thanks Jim,
I actually just ordered some Fizik Brown from CRC.
The re-taping isn't a big deal, just would have been a bonus. I'd be
happy just to save the shelacking each time.
And yes, photos please!

Pete

On Jan 3, 5:55 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:
 I'm using the Fizik Microtex handle bar tape on both of my bikes.  The
 most recently installed is a very nice Honey Brown color for my
 Rivendell Road Standard.  That color is great to match a honey brown
 Brooks saddle, like the B.17 Special that is on my Riv.  Unfortunately
 the honey brown color of Fizik Microtex, as well as their Antique
 Brown color are only available presently from the UK or in Europe.  I
 ordered my tape from a UK source and I've found it available from
 another at an even better price:  
 http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=46974
 (The price from this source compares fairly well with domestic
 pricing, where the tape typically sells for $17.99 plus local taxes,
 or shipping).

 It seemed strange to me that these colors of the Fizik Microtex tape
 have been available in the UK for more than a year, but not in the
 U.S.  After a conversation with the owner of my favorite LBS, I've
 discovered the reason.  He told me that the U.S. distributor for Fizik
 also imports the pricey Brooks leather handlebar tape.  Apparently,
 they don't want the less expensive Fizik tape to compete with the
 Brooks leather tape.  Go figure...

 I've never tried to re-wrap my handlebars with the Fizik bar tape.  I
 don't, however, think that it would be too suitable for re-wrapping
 (it's obviously not as cheap as cloth tape).  I personally prefer the
 Fizik Microtex tape to cloth, and I've used cloth for around 40 years!

 Jim Cloud
 Tucson, AZ

 On Jan 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote:



  +1 for cheap.

  I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap
  the bars.
  Cloth is cheap. The shellacking IS a pain, though.
  I've heard great things about Fizik tape and I might try some next
  time around.
  Anyone have any experience with re-using bar tape (Fizik or
  otherwise?)

  -Pete

  On Jan 3, 4:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:

   Question for the group.

   It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
   cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

   Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
   of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
   saddles on our bikes so closely?

   Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[Jim M.]

Thanks for the inspiring report! I'm looking forward to doing my first
brevets this year.

jim m
wc ca

On Jan 2, 9:18 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

 Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the report.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Bruce]

I've tried a number of leather wraps. My sweat a lot in the humid Alabama 
summers and leach a ton of salt. My observations on what I have used:

V-O Elk skin sew ons: Look Cool, get gamey after about 2,000 miles of use. I 
used them without padding under and they were fine. Longer to install than most 
other types. Bargain priced.

Hitoshi perforated tape: Looks great, goes on easy, has double sided adhesive 
on 
the underside. Lasted me about 1,000 miles before the edges curled up and it 
looked ratty. This tape uses the leather thickness as a padding and is comfy. 
Medium priced.

Selle Anatomica watershed tape. Comes with placeable gel under pads. Not 
adhesive backed, thin leather. Difficult to install neatly, doesn't stay in 
place, not comfy, surface finish begins to wear off immediately. Not worn out 
yet so no mileage figure avail. Moderate high price. NOT recommended.

Brooks perforated tape.  Similar to Toshi, nicer leather. has adhesive also. 
Looks good installed, very durable, have not been avle to wear it out yet, have 
it on two bikes.  Higher priced. 






From: William tapebu...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a
cheapskate on things like that.  Second reason is that I like the cool
colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap.  Did I mention
that I'm cheap?

On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Question for the group.

 It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
 cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

 Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
 of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
 saddles on our bikes so closely?

 Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Rebates!

[Marty]

Platrack, Shopsack, Big Apples and some misc hardware for the
forthcoming Bombadil - with or without the rebate. BTW - I noticed
some new Nitto cable hangers that look fantastic. (link below)  I'll
probably pick up one of each for those inevitable re-hab projects that
seem to pop up, or to replace my Campy seatpost saddle support piece
I've used as a key fob for years. Unusual little bike parts as key
fobs = nifty!

http://tinyurl.com/2blhhoj

Marty


On Jan 3, 5:28 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...since I was fortunate enough to buy 3 frames this year (perhaps the
 last 3 frames I buy), mine promises to be pretty good sized.  My list
 includes (in no particular order):

 1.  Marathon Duremes
 2.  Nitto Big rear rack
 3.  Nitto Big front rack
 4.  A second Mark's rack
 5.  A Rich-built dynamo front wheel
 6.  Spare 650B stuff (rims and tires)

 On Jan 3, 3:16 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:



  Hmmm my rebate certainly won't cover any of these completely but
  might help subsidize one of the following...

  1) olive SaddleSack TourSacks
  2) olive SaddleSack Large (I am an unrepentant self-professed bag-
  matcher and I'm sure could find a good home for my slightly-abused
  black one)
  3a) 40-spoke Dyad/Phil-IRD rear wheel from Wheelmaster Lesnik (got one
  now but not for the #2 bike)
  3b) 36-spoke Dyad/Phil front wheel from Wheelmaster Lesnik (don't have
  one at all now)
  4) pair of Marathon Supremes
  5) SaddleSack Small (tweed, baby... tweed)
  6) ooh... ooh... a Phil bottom bracket/rings/tools hmmm...
  7) a hoody (okay, the rebate might cover the hoody)

  Basically, that's a wish list. Really has nothing to do with the
  rebate, I guess.

  What I *should* get is the front wheel so I can have a nice strong
  wheelset with cartridge bearings. That's what I *should* do. You know,
  it's amazing how inconsistently that predicts what I actually do

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean

  On Jan 3, 3:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

   Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of
   the week.  What have you been living without that you no longer will
   be able to live without once your rebate is in?

   For those who don't know.  Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members.
   Members pay $20 a year to be members.  You get a free year if you buy
   a frame or a bike.  I use this to justify buying at least one frame
   per year :).

   I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get
   a rebate?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[williwoods]

Hey Bruce

fantastic review of various wraps and tapes etc.you just saved me
a bunch of  $$ and trial and error, time, etc. I was looking at
all the ones you listed.

Im currently running cloth tape shellacked and was really interested
in leather, looks like you get what you pay for with the Brooks
leather tape. Because of cost it would have been my last choice, now
looks like it is my first, thanks for the help. Im gonna keep running
cloth for now and when it comes time to replace will try Brooks tape.

thumbsup!

On Jan 3, 4:40 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I've tried a number of leather wraps. My sweat a lot in the humid Alabama
 summers and leach a ton of salt. My observations on what I have used:

 V-O Elk skin sew ons: Look Cool, get gamey after about 2,000 miles of use. I
 used them without padding under and they were fine. Longer to install than 
 most
 other types. Bargain priced.

 Hitoshi perforated tape: Looks great, goes on easy, has double sided adhesive 
 on
 the underside. Lasted me about 1,000 miles before the edges curled up and it
 looked ratty. This tape uses the leather thickness as a padding and is comfy.
 Medium priced.

 Selle Anatomica watershed tape. Comes with placeable gel under pads. Not
 adhesive backed, thin leather. Difficult to install neatly, doesn't stay in
 place, not comfy, surface finish begins to wear off immediately. Not worn out
 yet so no mileage figure avail. Moderate high price. NOT recommended.

 Brooks perforated tape.  Similar to Toshi, nicer leather. has adhesive also.
 Looks good installed, very durable, have not been avle to wear it out yet, 
 have
 it on two bikes.  Higher priced.

 
 From: William tapebu...@gmail.com
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

 Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a
 cheapskate on things like that.  Second reason is that I like the cool
 colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap.  Did I mention
 that I'm cheap?

 On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:

  Question for the group.

  It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
  cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

  Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
  of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
  saddles on our bikes so closely?

  Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[MichaelS]

When it looks like this:

http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/beewak23/Worn out tire/

Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[MichaelS]

Sorry, bad link...

Try

*http://tinyurl.com/2c76arf


*
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:05 PM, MichaelS bee...@gmail.com wrote:


 When it looks like this:

 http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/beewak23/Worn out tire/

 Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass






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Re: [RBW] Gray Whale 200K

[Ralph Rognstad Jr.]

Thanks for the ride report. I use a small Acorn handlebar bag. I keep my 
brevet card in the rear of the bag behind a piece of coroplast cut the 
same size as the bag. I can carry 2-3 hours worth of food (about 3 
natural energy bars and 2 gel cube packages) in front. Another option is 
a bar tube bag that Riv sells. It will carry even more. You should not 
notice they are there if you can solve your light mounting. I cannot use 
a very large handlebar bag on my Canti Rom because the weight causes it 
to shimmy at high speeds. I don't have that problem with a front rack 
and trunk, so it must be due to the higher placement of the weight.


Ralph

If you go long, you will never come back.

On 1/2/2011 11:18 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

As of last night, I'm averaging 200K per day for 2011.

Thanks, everyone, for the brevet advice. As promised, here's the report.

The forecast was for rain all morning, SE wind 5-15 mph in the
morning, rain stopping and wind dying down in the afternoon; almost
ideal for an out-and-back that went northeast for the first half.  I
was worried about being cold and wet, so I packed up an extra pair of
socks, a pair of gloves, and an spare wool undershirt (those Ibex
woolies are *fantastic*). I also brought rain pants. I planned to wear
an Ibex wooly undershirt, a jersey, a rain jacket, polarfleece tights
over shorts, and wool socks with booties over them. For food I brought
some brownie bites with peppermint patties in them, and a meat pie,
plus a flask of gel.

I overslept yesterday morning, so I had to rush to get out of the
house. Luckily, I'd packed up everything the night before. In the
rush, though, I probably didn't eat enough breakfast.

I arrived in plenty of time, with a good chance to check out the other
bikes. I didn't see any other Rivs, though I think there may have been
an orange one I missed. Several riders had beautiful Steve Rex bikes.
Several riders were using Rivish canvas handlebar bags, some with
decaleurs. Oddly, about a third of the riders didn't have fenders,
even though rain was predicted and it was in fact raining.

Since it was raining steadily at the start, I donned the rain pants. I
stopped a couple of times near the start of the ride, so ended up
riding alone, but with a tailwind that didn't matter. The rain tailed
off after about an hour, and the wind picked up. I was zipping right
along, not working too hard. What a delight it was to ride an empty
Highway 1.

I stopped for a pitstop and snack just north of Pigeon Point, maybe 30
miles in, but didn't eat very much. Between Pescadero and San Gregorio
I was catching  up to a tandem. I had visions of that tandem being my
new best friend on the way back into the wind, but then at the base of
the hill just north of San Gregorio, I was feeling a little bonkish so
I stopped for a peppermint, and I didn't see the tandem couple again.
That hill is pesky-- it's only about three or four hundred feet, but
it always seems more difficult that I think it should. Perhaps it
always comes at a difficult time in a ride-. Usually I approach it
after having climbed Page Mill, Haskins Hill and the two little hills
on Stage Road, so I'm tired. There are three ways to climb it, and the
one I was doing, north on Highway 1, is the easiest. Still, I was glad
to summit and ride the rollers to Half Moon Bay. After Half Moon Bay,
it was only a few miles to the turnaround.

I reached the turnaround four hours in, feeling strong, and took the
last parking spot at the end of the line-up of bikes stretched out
along the wall of the market. I was hoping for hot soup or a tasty
sandwich, but the convenience store had only nasty-looking premade
sandwiches and no soup. I had a chocolate milk, a banana, a brownie
bite and a couple of bites of meat pie-- not really enough. The people
still left at the rest stop when I was ready to go looked strong, like
I wouldn't be able to stay with them, so I headed out alone.

It was tough. That happy dream of the wind dropping was a
weatherliar's fantasy. The wind continued just as it had been all day,
with whitecaps out on the ocean, only now I had to ride into it. I
figured on stopping every fifteen miles on the way back. The first
stop was a random beach, where I was the only one enjoying the cold
windy picnic tables. I didn't linger, and again I didn't eat enough.

My second stop was at Gazos Creek. I had just leaned my bike against
the wall to go in the convenience store when I noticed a group of
cyclists passing. I jumped back on the bike and with my last strength,
bridged to join them. The benefit was obvious; I could sit in for a
while and stop fighting the wind I'd been fighting for thirty miles.
The cost became clear; I needed to eat and to get more water, but I
didn't. But three angels riding Steve Rex bikes babysat me for the
rest of the route, as I got weaker and weaker. We stopped in
Davenport. One of the angels handed me a Coke. I slurped it down, but
I was still draggling as one of my 

Re: [RBW] Gray Whale 200K

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Ralph Rognstad Jr.
rognsta...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Thanks for the ride report. I use a small Acorn handlebar bag. I keep my
 brevet card in the rear of the bag behind a piece of coroplast cut the same
 size as the bag. I can carry 2-3 hours worth of food (about 3 natural energy
 bars and 2 gel cube packages) in front. Another option is a bar tube bag
 that Riv sells. It will carry even more. You should not notice they are
 there if you can solve your light mounting. I cannot use a very large
 handlebar bag on my Canti Rom because the weight causes it to shimmy at high
 speeds. I don't have that problem with a front rack and trunk, so it must be
 due to the higher placement of the weight.


the brand-v bartube can carry the WORLD:

A patch kit, saddle cover, 4 oranges, some crackers.

It's like  the tardis.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[Bill Gibson]

And don't forget, the rumor that well worn tires are lighter, more supple,
and faster!  But it's the increasing frequency of flats, and then creeping
paranoia on fast downhill curves...and the anticipation of proudly wearing
out a tire through honest mileage!

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:07 PM, MichaelS bee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, bad link...

 Try

 *http://tinyurl.com/2c76arf


 *

 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:05 PM, MichaelS bee...@gmail.com wrote:


 When it looks like this:

 http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/beewak23/Worn out tire/

 Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass





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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[EricP]

Don't have mine in a shed, but tan sidewalls generally gave out after
a year.  Not complete failure, just enough pulling apart to not appear
safe.  Had a set of Pasela 35s with less than 2,000 miles on them that
were pulled off because of that issue.

BTW, this isn't new to me, had it on tires in the early 1980's.
Especially the Specialized Fat Boy slicks back then.  One pair lasted
all of 500 miles before the sidewalls failed.

I blame the northern latitudes, but with David having trouble, might
be something else.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 3, 3:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
 so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
 are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
 corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...





 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
   I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
   can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
   on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
   likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
   usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
   be repaired.

  It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
  mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
  have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
  inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
  a lot on local environmental conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K

[EricP]

Congrats.  Definitely shows my rides over the weekend were properly
weak.

Makes me want to contemplate a 200k in the future.  However, will not
join a club just to do the one ride.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[Esteban]

Here's a photo of the bike in the video:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/5322508456/

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Jan 3, 9:34 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 My understanding was it was supposed to come w/ a custom, color-matched 150mm 
 stem, otherwise that looks like what I axed for.
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 Very nice spec!

 Assuming it is yours, how long of a reach is on the quill?  I have
 been thinking of setting up my rawland like this, but the cockpit is
 already on the short side of things.

 On Jan 3, 6:17 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure 
  looks like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.  
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  Subject: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

  I was up there to check out this bike and observe the videographers.
  The bike is really beefy with those tires.  I've got a photo
  somewhere...

  Esteban
  San Diego, Made it over the snowstorm on the I-5 before it was closed
  in both directions this afternoon Calif

  On Jan 2, 8:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
   And the always appreciated valve stem shot (submit yours
   herehttp://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell_valve_stems/
   )!

   The 62cm frame makes those 29ers look like 26 tires!  I'm gonna' have to
   think long and hard about a 58cm frame...

   On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com 
   wrote:
just a tease...looks pretty nice, perfect for those back road camping
tours!

~Mike~

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 Looks like a 62cm and shown with 2.25 tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAS7IeATqs0

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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K handlebar bag

[Joan Oppel]

Thanks for the terrific write up on the brevet. As for handlebar bags: for touring (which I do with only rear panniers as I motel tour), I use a lightweight small bag on my handlebars that carries my pointshoot digital camera and food. The bag is an unmentionable brand but it is quite light. A headlight would still fit on the top of the bars. I cannot notice any difference in handling of the Bleriot (or for that matter, the Waterford) with that small bag. And since I mostly ride both bikes without a bag, I think I would notice if the bag had some effect. If needed, I can unzip the bag, grab a bar, tear the wrapper with my teeth and eat it while riding. Not my first choice, but I've done it to hang with folks.A small, light bag might work on the Roadeo. Happy riding,JoanJan 3, 2011 08:51:25 PM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:Congrats.  Definitely shows my rides over the weekend were properlyweak.Makes me want to contemplate a 200k in the future.  However, will notjoin a club just to do the one ride.Eric PlattSt. Paul, MNOn Jan 3, 1:23pm, Anne Paulson  wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM, William  wrote:  Anne-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

[Ray Shine]

Man!  Shame they didn't keep that double top tube parallel. The yellow frame 
looks very nice.





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Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 6:46:25 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

Here's a photo of the bike in the video:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/5322508456/

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Jan 3, 9:34 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 My understanding was it was supposed to come w/ a custom, color-matched 150mm 
stem, otherwise that looks like what I axed for.
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 Very nice spec!

 Assuming it is yours, how long of a reach is on the quill?  I have
 been thinking of setting up my rawland like this, but the cockpit is
 already on the short side of things.

 On Jan 3, 6:17 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think, think I say, that may be my bike they are prepping to ship. Sure 
looks like the same spec, but it could be a common set-up.  
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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  Subject: [RBW] Re: Short Hunqa vid from RBW

  I was up there to check out this bike and observe the videographers.
  The bike is really beefy with those tires.  I've got a photo
  somewhere...

  Esteban
  San Diego, Made it over the snowstorm on the I-5 before it was closed
  in both directions this afternoon Calif

  On Jan 2, 8:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
   And the always appreciated valve stem shot (submit yours
   herehttp://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell_valve_stems/
   )!

   The 62cm frame makes those 29ers look like 26 tires!  I'm gonna' have to
   think long and hard about a 58cm frame...

   On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com 
wrote:
just a tease...looks pretty nice, perfect for those back road camping
tours!

~Mike~

On Jan 2, 6:54 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looks like a 62cm and shown with 2.25 tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAS7IeATqs0

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Jim Cloud]

Eddie and Pete,

Give me a couple of days, I'll take some photos and add them to my
Flickr photostream (pimadude) for the bike.  I'll post a new topic
when the photos are available.

Jim

On Jan 3, 5:18 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 Hello Jime Cloud - how about a couple of photos of the Fizik brown
 taped wrapped bars.

 Would love to see what it looks like on a finished bike.

 Thanks,
 Eddie

 On Jan 3, 3:07 pm, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote:







  Leather is slippery when wet. At least the stuff I tried.

  On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
   On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:06 -0800, AmiSingh wrote:
Question for the group.

It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
saddles on our bikes so closely?

Why not just use leather bar wrap?

   I like leather bar wrap.  It looks good, feels good, and lasts a long, 
   long
   time.  Leather bar wrap will outlast cloth by at least 3 to 1, maybe more,
   and will outlast cork as well.  In the long run, cloth is probably more
   expensive than leather bar wrap, when you figure in how often you have to
   replace it.

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[RBW] WTB Shimano 9 Speed Downtube shifters - braze on

[Dan Abelson]

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Title says it all looking for 9 speed Shimano downtube shifters.  I
really only need the rear shifter but will take both.

Dan Abelson
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[rcnute]

I tried Brooks tape (it was a present).  I didn't care for the texture
or the ridges that resulted from wrapping.  I don't ride with gloves
unless it's cold.

Ryan

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 Question for the group.

 It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
 cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

 Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
 of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
 saddles on our bikes so closely?

 Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Bruce]

Ryan:


I'l take it off your hands :)

Bruce






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I tried Brooks tape (it was a present).  I didn't care for the texture
or the ridges that resulted from wrapping.  I don't ride with gloves
unless it's cold.

Ryan



  

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[rcnute]

Bruce--it's all yours!  Email me your address.

Ryan

On Jan 3, 7:32 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Ryan:

 I'l take it off your hands :)

 Bruce

 
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 Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 9:13:42 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

 I tried Brooks tape (it was a present).  I didn't care for the texture
 or the ridges that resulted from wrapping.  I don't ride with gloves
 unless it's cold.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Rene Sterental]

I have Brooks tape on my Homer and Atlantis. On both bikes I've had to
remove it and rewrap them with excellent results and no visible
effects. I love it. It gets a bit stretched from the first wrap so I
end up having to cut off a bit from the end when I rewrap it. Or maybe
I wrap it a little more efficiently the second time around...

René

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On Jan 3, 2011, at 4:54 PM, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Bruce

 fantastic review of various wraps and tapes etc.you just saved me
 a bunch of  $$ and trial and error, time, etc. I was looking at
 all the ones you listed.

 Im currently running cloth tape shellacked and was really interested
 in leather, looks like you get what you pay for with the Brooks
 leather tape. Because of cost it would have been my last choice, now
 looks like it is my first, thanks for the help. Im gonna keep running
 cloth for now and when it comes time to replace will try Brooks tape.

 thumbsup!

 On Jan 3, 4:40 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I've tried a number of leather wraps. My sweat a lot in the humid Alabama
 summers and leach a ton of salt. My observations on what I have used:

 V-O Elk skin sew ons: Look Cool, get gamey after about 2,000 miles of use. I
 used them without padding under and they were fine. Longer to install than 
 most
 other types. Bargain priced.

 Hitoshi perforated tape: Looks great, goes on easy, has double sided 
 adhesive on
 the underside. Lasted me about 1,000 miles before the edges curled up and it
 looked ratty. This tape uses the leather thickness as a padding and is comfy.
 Medium priced.

 Selle Anatomica watershed tape. Comes with placeable gel under pads. Not
 adhesive backed, thin leather. Difficult to install neatly, doesn't stay in
 place, not comfy, surface finish begins to wear off immediately. Not worn out
 yet so no mileage figure avail. Moderate high price. NOT recommended.

 Brooks perforated tape.  Similar to Toshi, nicer leather. has adhesive also.
 Looks good installed, very durable, have not been avle to wear it out yet, 
 have
 it on two bikes.  Higher priced.

 
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 Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

 Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a
 cheapskate on things like that.  Second reason is that I like the cool
 colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap.  Did I mention
 that I'm cheap?

 On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Question for the group.

 It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
 cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

 Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
 of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
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[RBW] Re: Gray Whale 200K handlebar bag

[Michael_S]

Acorn has a new small handlebar bag that would be perfect for your
Roadeo. And there made right here is So Cal.

~Mike~

On Jan 3, 6:46 pm, Joan Oppel oppel...@verizon.net wrote:
 Thanks for the terrific write up on the brevet.  As for handlebar bags:  for 
 touring (which I do with only rear panniers as I motel tour),  I use a 
 lightweight small bag on my handlebars that carries my pointshoot digital 
 camera and food.  The bag is an unmentionable brand but it is quite light.  A 
 headlight would still fit on the top of the bars.  I cannot notice any 
 difference in handling of the Bleriot (or for that matter, the Waterford) 
 with that small bag.  And since I mostly ride both bikes without a bag, I 
 think I would notice if the bag had some effect.  If needed, I can unzip the 
 bag, grab a bar, tear the wrapper with my teeth and eat it while riding.  Not 
 my first choice, but I've done it to hang with folks.
 A small, light bag might work on the Roadeo.
 Happy riding,
 Joan
 Jan 3, 2011 08:51:25 PM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:Congrats. 
 Definitely shows my rides over the weekend were properly
 weak.
 Makes me want to contemplate a 200k in the future. However, will not
 join a club just to do the one ride.
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN
 On Jan 3, 1:23 pm, Anne Paulson wrote:
  On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM, William wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Gray Whale 200K

[cyclotourist]

Sonic screwdriver?

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Ralph Rognstad Jr.
 rognsta...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  Thanks for the ride report. I use a small Acorn handlebar bag. I keep my
  brevet card in the rear of the bag behind a piece of coroplast cut the
 same
  size as the bag. I can carry 2-3 hours worth of food (about 3 natural
 energy
  bars and 2 gel cube packages) in front. Another option is a bar tube bag
  that Riv sells. It will carry even more. You should not notice they are
  there if you can solve your light mounting. I cannot use a very large
  handlebar bag on my Canti Rom because the weight causes it to shimmy at
 high
  speeds. I don't have that problem with a front rack and trunk, so it must
 be
  due to the higher placement of the weight.
 

 the brand-v bartube can carry the WORLD:

 A patch kit, saddle cover, 4 oranges, some crackers.

 It's like  the tardis.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Checkerboard]

Scott from RBW wrapped my Moustache bars in Brooks honey leather, to
match the B-17 seat. I love the honey caramel color, and the leather
has enough suppleness and thickness to obviate underpadding with
neoprene.

The principal reason (per Grant) not to use leather is because, once
rain-soaked, it takes forever to dry out. Solution for me is to ride
the bike in the dry season!

Checkerboard from Orinda


On Jan 3, 4:54 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey Bruce

 fantastic review of various wraps and tapes etc.you just saved me
 a bunch of  $$ and trial and error, time, etc. I was looking at
 all the ones you listed.

 Im currently running cloth tape shellacked and was really interested
 in leather, looks like you get what you pay for with the Brooks
 leather tape. Because of cost it would have been my last choice, now
 looks like it is my first, thanks for the help. Im gonna keep running
 cloth for now and when it comes time to replace will try Brooks tape.

 thumbsup!

 On Jan 3, 4:40 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I've tried a number of leather wraps. My sweat a lot in the humid Alabama
  summers and leach a ton of salt. My observations on what I have used:

  V-O Elk skin sew ons: Look Cool, get gamey after about 2,000 miles of use. I
  used them without padding under and they were fine. Longer to install than 
  most
  other types. Bargain priced.

  Hitoshi perforated tape: Looks great, goes on easy, has double sided 
  adhesive on
  the underside. Lasted me about 1,000 miles before the edges curled up and it
  looked ratty. This tape uses the leather thickness as a padding and is 
  comfy.
  Medium priced.

  Selle Anatomica watershed tape. Comes with placeable gel under pads. Not
  adhesive backed, thin leather. Difficult to install neatly, doesn't stay in
  place, not comfy, surface finish begins to wear off immediately. Not worn 
  out
  yet so no mileage figure avail. Moderate high price. NOT recommended.

  Brooks perforated tape.  Similar to Toshi, nicer leather. has adhesive also.
  Looks good installed, very durable, have not been avle to wear it out yet, 
  have
  it on two bikes.  Higher priced.

  
  From: William tapebu...@gmail.com
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM
  Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

  Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a
  cheapskate on things like that.  Second reason is that I like the cool
  colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap.  Did I mention
  that I'm cheap?

  On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:

   Question for the group.

   It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
   cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

   Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
   of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
   saddles on our bikes so closely?

   Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[AmiSingh]

Word on the street is that Velo-Orange leather wrap is better than
Brooks.

Any users with experience?

On Jan 3, 7:54 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey Bruce

 fantastic review of various wraps and tapes etc.you just saved me
 a bunch of  $$ and trial and error, time, etc. I was looking at
 all the ones you listed.

 Im currently running cloth tape shellacked and was really interested
 in leather, looks like you get what you pay for with the Brooks
 leather tape. Because of cost it would have been my last choice, now
 looks like it is my first, thanks for the help. Im gonna keep running
 cloth for now and when it comes time to replace will try Brooks tape.

 thumbsup!

 On Jan 3, 4:40 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I've tried a number of leather wraps. My sweat a lot in the humid Alabama
  summers and leach a ton of salt. My observations on what I have used:

  V-O Elk skin sew ons: Look Cool, get gamey after about 2,000 miles of use. I
  used them without padding under and they were fine. Longer to install than 
  most
  other types. Bargain priced.

  Hitoshi perforated tape: Looks great, goes on easy, has double sided 
  adhesive on
  the underside. Lasted me about 1,000 miles before the edges curled up and it
  looked ratty. This tape uses the leather thickness as a padding and is 
  comfy.
  Medium priced.

  Selle Anatomica watershed tape. Comes with placeable gel under pads. Not
  adhesive backed, thin leather. Difficult to install neatly, doesn't stay in
  place, not comfy, surface finish begins to wear off immediately. Not worn 
  out
  yet so no mileage figure avail. Moderate high price. NOT recommended.

  Brooks perforated tape.  Similar to Toshi, nicer leather. has adhesive also.
  Looks good installed, very durable, have not been avle to wear it out yet, 
  have
  it on two bikes.  Higher priced.

  
  From: William tapebu...@gmail.com
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM
  Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

  Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a
  cheapskate on things like that.  Second reason is that I like the cool
  colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap.  Did I mention
  that I'm cheap?

  On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:

   Question for the group.

   It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
   cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

   Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
   of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
   saddles on our bikes so closely?

   Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[AmiSingh]

Pete,

I've rewrapped Brooks leather handlebar wrap 3 times on the same bars
for various setups with no problem.

On Jan 3, 5:35 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote:
 +1 for cheap.

 I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap
 the bars.
 Cloth is cheap. The shellacking IS a pain, though.
 I've heard great things about Fizik tape and I might try some next
 time around.
 Anyone have any experience with re-using bar tape (Fizik or
 otherwise?)

 -Pete

 On Jan 3, 4:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:



  Question for the group.

  It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
  cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

  Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
  of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
  saddles on our bikes so closely?

  Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Mike S]

The best tape is no tape! I've got bare Nito moustache bars on my 'B'
bike, and I love the look and, more importantly, FEEL of the bare
aluminum. As they say in the riv reader, it's kinda like grabbing a
sword. The cold is not a factor because I wear gloves full gloves when
it's real cold, and they're not really slippery when the going gets
sweaty.

I also like the velox rim tape with shellac method, as it looks great
and seems like it will last nearly forever, but shellacking is such a
damned tedious nightmare. And it gets all over every other part of
your bike.

On Jan 3, 5:42 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pete,

 I've rewrapped Brooks leather handlebar wrap 3 times on the same bars
 for various setups with no problem.

 On Jan 3, 5:35 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote:

  +1 for cheap.

  I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap
  the bars.
  Cloth is cheap. The shellacking IS a pain, though.
  I've heard great things about Fizik tape and I might try some next
  time around.
  Anyone have any experience with re-using bar tape (Fizik or
  otherwise?)

  -Pete

  On Jan 3, 4:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:

   Question for the group.

   It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
   cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

   Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
   of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
   saddles on our bikes so closely?

   Why not just use leather bar wrap?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

[Michael_S]

practice, grasshopper.  I find that now after doing 3 or 4 bikes I
actually enjoy the shellac work. Sort of like a masterpiece.

anyway, I prefer the feel of the thick gel corks like the Soma tape. I
have large hands and the cloth taped bars seem too skinny.  I even
tape my cables in front to give more of a platform.

~Mike~

On Jan 3, 8:40 pm, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
 The best tape is no tape! I've got bare Nito moustache bars on my 'B'
 bike, and I love the look and, more importantly, FEEL of the bare
 aluminum. As they say in the riv reader, it's kinda like grabbing a
 sword. The cold is not a factor because I wear gloves full gloves when
 it's real cold, and they're not really slippery when the going gets
 sweaty.

 I also like the velox rim tape with shellac method, as it looks great
 and seems like it will last nearly forever, but shellacking is such a
 damned tedious nightmare. And it gets all over every other part of
 your bike.

 On Jan 3, 5:42 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:



  Pete,

  I've rewrapped Brooks leather handlebar wrap 3 times on the same bars
  for various setups with no problem.

  On Jan 3, 5:35 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote:

   +1 for cheap.

   I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap
   the bars.
   Cloth is cheap. The shellacking IS a pain, though.
   I've heard great things about Fizik tape and I might try some next
   time around.
   Anyone have any experience with re-using bar tape (Fizik or
   otherwise?)

   -Pete

   On Jan 3, 4:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote:

Question for the group.

It appears as though there is a general overall preference for using
cloth or cork handlebar wrap / grips rather than leather.

Why is it so skewed away from leather, especially considering so many
of us try and have our handlebar cloth or cork resemble the leather
saddles on our bikes so closely?

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

[charlie]

I do the same when changing out tires but ride Schwalbes now. No more
gum sidewalls for me.

On Jan 3, 2:32 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
 My sidewalls go the same way, at least when I bought tan-wall Paselas
 and lived in CA. I don't do either anymore.
 I do still ride on gravel roads, rocky logging roads and other stupid
 places, it's just a lot cooler and damper in OR.

 As outlined in Sheldon's Tire-rotation article, I move tires
 'through' the bike from front to back. New tire on front, old front on
 rear, old rear in trash.

  Philip

  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com

 On Jan 3, 1:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

  My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
  so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
  are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
  corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...

  On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
   On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
be repaired.

   It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
   mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
   have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
   inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
   a lot on local environmental conditions.

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