Re: CS'water-soluble' silver?
Bob, I have put some 3 week old clear CS solution brewed with citric acid, into a PETE jar and left it out in the sun (presently summer here in Oz). Will let you know as to any colour changes. My stuff has an estimated ~ 20 PPM silver, an excess of citric acid and I doubt there will be any discolouration, but will not lay bets on it. regards, Kevin Nolan - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: Re: CS'water-soluble' silver? Kevin et al, If this product is exposed to bright sunlight and it has a citrate in it will turn green of maybe ever go to black. I do like his comment about ionic silver as that is what I make with the HVAC ARC process. 98+% Ag+ Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
This looks wonderful, -Original Message- From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@home.com] Sent: vrijdag 18 januari 2002 6:53 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble I Bubble my CSand I use a small room with an ozone clean air generator in the room for a while with the door closed, and make wonderful CS. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ Satchid wrote: Dear Connie, Apart from the quality or the speed of the CS, with a bubbler I think that you bring in a lot of dust from the surroundings where you intake the air into the air pump. Or am I wrong with that? Willy -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: donderdag 17 januari 2002 23:48 To: silver- list Subject: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please comments as too the differences. I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. Some days...using the stirit seems to take longer. Not observant enough to say why one day is different vs. another. Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: --First brew: Stirred batch. Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. Indicator light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was still on. My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. Often I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator light goes off. Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what measured the night before) I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater --Second brew: Bubbled batch-stirrer removed. Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm. 10 hrs. later: indicator light off. I did not clean the electrodes at all. I shut down the generator. Did not test the ppm. left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm. (set at 20ppm) Some, but little precipitateelectrodes with little build up. My observed main points -bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's do not fall from one day to the next) -bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less precipitate in the container. -bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna) -occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled -consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure to light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically ''tested'' this.) -brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler. (this case 36 hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled) I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do not like the bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in terms I could understand and if bubbling is not good, whywhen it appears to make a better product? TIA Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Connie, A couple of thoughts come to mind: The stirrer does not mix too well. You are trying for too high a concentration. The bubbler introduces CO2 gas to the water, which will ionise and give a false (high) reading. If you are finding a change in the CS when exposed to light then it is possibly due to the quality of your water. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 11:48 a.m. To: silver- list Subject: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please comments as too the differences. I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. Some days...using the stirit seems to take longer. Not observant enough to say why one day is different vs. another. Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: --First brew: Stirred batch. Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. Indicator light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was still on. My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. Often I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator light goes off. Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what measured the night before) I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater --Second brew: Bubbled batch-stirrer removed. Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm. 10 hrs. later: indicator light off. I did not clean the electrodes at all. I shut down the generator. Did not test the ppm. left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm. (set at 20ppm) Some, but little precipitateelectrodes with little build up. My observed main points -bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's do not fall from one day to the next) -bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less precipitate in the container. -bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna) -occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled -consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure to light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically ''tested'' this.) -brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler. (this case 36 hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled) I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do not like the bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in terms I could understand and if bubbling is not good, whywhen it appears to make a better product? TIA Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Hi Ole Bob I see the reply from Ivan about CS that will probably read higher when using a bubbler instead a stirrer. Have you had a chance of comparing the two to prove that pls ? I presume that Ivan has done so. Gaston = - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:46 AM Subject: RE: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble Connie, A couple of thoughts come to mind: The stirrer does not mix too well. You are trying for too high a concentration. The bubbler introduces CO2 gas to the water, which will ionise and give a false (high) reading. If you are finding a change in the CS when exposed to light then it is possibly due to the quality of your water. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 11:48 a.m. To: silver- list Subject: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please comments as too the differences. I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. Some days...using the stirit seems to take longer. Not observant enough to say why one day is different vs. another. Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: --First brew: Stirred batch. Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. Indicator light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was still on. My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. Often I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator light goes off. Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what measured the night before) I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater --Second brew: Bubbled batch-stirrer removed. Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm. 10 hrs. later: indicator light off. I did not clean the electrodes at all. I shut down the generator. Did not test the ppm. left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm. (set at 20ppm) Some, but little precipitateelectrodes with little build up. My observed main points -bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's do not fall from one day to the next) -bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less precipitate in the container. -bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna) -occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled -consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure to light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically ''tested'' this.) -brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler. (this case 36 hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled) I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do not like the bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in terms I could understand and if bubbling is not good, whywhen it appears to make a better product? TIA Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbe with news and questions.
Hey Marlene! This is Nancy D. I'm doing the same regime you're doing and I feel great! Come to find out my MS was Lyme induced. I am currently taking 2oz of CS every 2hrs. I am new to making my CS. I continue using 3 mg LDN and supplements to build up my immune system. I'm gonna get those nasty bugs!!! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS Cracked sore hands
Been meaning to post this.. My son -in-laws hands were in the worst shape I've ever seen, from years of wrenching on air craft. Working in solvents,oils etc. and the elements. There were heavily callused and always cracked and split open.. very painful. He started wearing rubber gloves a couple years ago 24 hours a day with the creams and other stuff the Doc's gave him, with no results. Three months ago I started making him CS and he would pour it in his gloves and soak his hands in CS in the evenings after a month or so the solid mass of callus started to break down and peal off. He said that there was a rotten smell coming from them ?? His hands are now perhaps 98% clear. I've had my hands in bad shape before so I know what he means when he said Dad ,this has given me a whole new lease on life ! Was it the CS ?? Due to the fact that for 2 years of wearing the rubber glove which kept his hands soaked in sweat anyway,andwith no changeI'd guess it was the CS ! larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Cracked sore hands
Hi Larry, You said: He said that there was a rotten smell coming from them ?? His hands are now perhaps 98% clear. I've had my hands in bad shape before so I know what he means when he said Dad ,this has given me a whole new lease on life ! Was it the CS ?? Due to the fact that for 2 years of wearing the rubber gloves which kept his hands soaked in sweat anyway, and with no changeI'd guess it was the CS No doubt it was the CS, with it's antibacterial actions. The rubber gloves he wore kept his hands, as you observed, in a moist, bacteria-friendly environment. This was the smell observed. Nice work! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbe with news and questions.
Hello All, New at this list business and hope I am doing it right. I seem to get duplicates of many messages, is this necessary evil? I will say that I have problems following the scientific side of the conversation,PPM, generators, Neon ect, but enjoy what I do get from it. I have been making my clear to pale yellow CS for over a year. I use the three 9 volt battery in quart of boiling hot water with 2 drops of saline solution brew for 45 minutes. Is this concidered to be ionic or colloidal? I like the way it works for me. If I wake with a sore throat I take 4 oz and swish and gargle and swallow with in 15 min the sore throat is gone. I usually take at least 8 oz a day. I am not blue or gray, but find my teeth do look a little gray at times. I am trying to kill any virus, bacteria or spirochetes which may be causing Multiple Sclerosis. I am doing very well now and have no noticeable symptoms. I currently use supplements, diet, colloidal Silver, Histamines and LDN. Thank you for the information Marlene Dear Marlene, Hi! I`m Marshalee, been on this list for years...CS cured me of Lyme disease. (Yay!) You don`t need the saline. That just makes silver cloride, which isn`t good. Nor do you need to heat the water, at least not so hot. I use room temp water, 2 cups, let it run for 1 hour. I don`t stir or anything else. (I`m lazy...) My CS works just fine! What is LDN?? Love, Marshalee
CSsource for silver wire
If I wanted to purchase silver wire locally, where (besides a jeweler) would I look? Thanks, BJ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsource for silver wire
Hobby stores use to carry silver wire for rewinding the little slot racer motors. But the wire was high gauge, insulated, and who knows the purity. You might try looking under (base) metal in the yellow pages, depending on how large a city you live in. You could buy a silver Maple Leaf from a coin dealer, and work it into a wire. Silver is surprisingly soft and malleable. Marshall BJ wrote: If I wanted to purchase silver wire locally, where (besides a jeweler) would I look? Thanks, BJ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: [Re: CSYeast infections]
One exponent of traditional medicine recommended sleeping with the afflicted toe inserted into a cored lemon (same methodology). --Russ I've read on Dr. Stoll's (http://www.bcn.net/~stoll/index.html) discussion board that soaking feet in vinegar helps. From reports I've read I got an impression that long enough sessions eliminate nail fungus pretty quickly. Roman james barton jcbar...@bellsouth.net wrote: I've had athletes foot (and now toenail fungus-ugh) for 40 years. Can't get rid of it. Tried cs directly. Maybe using the wrong technique. Any successes or recommendations out there? Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Ole Bob, Respectfuly...I have used a stir'er and now a bubble'er to mix CS...The difference is: stired colloidal silver will always have a decreasing ppm reading , and a darker color change to yellow'ish with age. Bubbled CS will always (most always) stay clear, and keep the same reading for months, maybe forever? Just my observaton. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ Gaston wrote: Hi Ole Bob I see the reply from Ivan about CS that will probably read higher when using a bubbler instead a stirrer. Have you had a chance of comparing the two to prove that pls ? I presume that Ivan has done so. Gaston = - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:46 AM Subject: RE: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble Connie, A couple of thoughts come to mind: The stirrer does not mix too well. You are trying for too high a concentration. The bubbler introduces CO2 gas to the water, which will ionise and give a false (high) reading. If you are finding a change in the CS when exposed to light then it is possibly due to the quality of your water. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 11:48 a.m. To: silver- list Subject: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please comments as too the differences. I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. Some days...using the stirit seems to take longer. Not observant enough to say why one day is different vs. another. Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: --First brew: Stirred batch. Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. Indicator light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was still on. My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. Often I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator light goes off. Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what measured the night before) I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater --Second brew: Bubbled batch-stirrer removed. Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm. 10 hrs. later: indicator light off. I did not clean the electrodes at all. I shut down the generator. Did not test the ppm. left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm. (set at 20ppm) Some, but little precipitateelectrodes with little build up. My observed main points -bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's do not fall from one day to the next) -bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less precipitate in the container. -bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna) -occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled -consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure to light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically ''tested'' this.) -brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler. (this case 36 hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled) I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do not like the bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in terms I could understand and if bubbling is not good, whywhen it appears to make a better product? TIA Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsource for silver wire
- Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: CSsource for silver wire coin shop is cheaper, and you do not want Jewelery silver with nickle or other addittives, ,,do not use sterling silver,,,use 99.99 or higher purity silver. the Candan Silver Maple leaf coin is not made for circulation, (too solft) but it is pure Silver stamped on it..it is a $5.00 piece..I paid $8 dollars each for it at a coin shop, I bought 2 of them and I beat them on an anvil and made them larger in size, they work real well, and they are a full oz of pure silver should last for years in makeing CSIf I had it to do over I would only buy one and saw it in 1/2...That would be enough surface area to make good cs. Be careful not to let your alligator clips touch the water, they will contamonate it. I drilled holes in the coins and hammered in silver wire to make good tight connection, to extend it lower into the 1/2 jar. Works but I am still experminting. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ BJ wrote: If I wanted to purchase silver wire locally, where (besides a jeweler) would I look? Thanks, BJ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsource for silver wire
coin shop is cheaper, and you do not want Jewelery silver with nickle or other addittives, ,,do not use sterling silver,,,use 99.99 or higher purity silver. the Candan Silver Maple leaf coin is not made for circulation, (too solft) but it is pure Silver stamped on it..it is a $5.00 piece..I paid $8 dollars each for it at a coin shop, I bought 2 of them and I beat them on an anvil and made them larger in size, they work real well, and they are a full oz of pure silver should last for years in makeing CSIf I had it to do over I would only buy one and saw it in 1/2...That would be enough surface area to make good cs. Be careful not to let your alligator clips touch the water, they will contamonate it. I drilled holes in the coins and hammered in silver wire to make good tight connection, to extend it lower into the 1/2 jar. Works but I am still experminting. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ BJ wrote: If I wanted to purchase silver wire locally, where (besides a jeweler) would I look? Thanks, BJ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbe with news and questions.
Hi Marshalee, Thank you for the quick come back. LDN is Low Dose Naltrexone. Naltrexone was first approved for Heroine adict's treatment but never mind that used in small doses 3 mg to 4.5 mg taken at night it allows an immune system which is reved up and out of control to settle down enough to relax and regain control. You can read more about it at www.lowdosenaltrexone.com or it may be .org try them both many of us on the Histamine and Alternative treatment board are using it with success. http://disc.server.com/Indices/148295.html Please visit so much good information and great supportive people for MS and other immune problems. Marlene - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNewbe with news and questions. Hello All, New at this list business and hope I am doing it right. I seem to get duplicates of many messages, is this necessary evil? I will say that I have problems following the scientific side of the conversation,PPM, generators, Neon ect, but enjoy what I do get from it. I have been making my clear to pale yellow CS for over a year. I use the three 9 volt battery in quart of boiling hot water with 2 drops of saline solution brew for 45 minutes. Is this concidered to be ionic or colloidal? I like the way it works for me. If I wake with a sore throat I take 4 oz and swish and gargle and swallow with in 15 min the sore throat is gone. I usually take at least 8 oz a day. I am not blue or gray, but find my teeth do look a little gray at times. I am trying to kill any virus, bacteria or spirochetes which may be causing Multiple Sclerosis. I am doing very well now and have no noticeable symptoms. I currently use supplements, diet, colloidal Silver, Histamines and LDN. Thank you for the information Marlene Dear Marlene, Hi! I`m Marshalee, been on this list for years...CS cured me of Lyme disease. (Yay!) You don`t need the saline. That just makes silver cloride, which isn`t good. Nor do you need to heat the water, at least not so hot. I use room temp water, 2 cups, let it run for 1 hour. I don`t stir or anything else. (I`m lazy...) My CS works just fine! What is LDN?? Love, Marshalee
Re: CS Cracked sore hands
Greetings Catherine Creel wrote: No doubt it was the CS, with it's antibacterial actions This was the smell observed. Cleansing foul-smelling discharges from septic injuries with diluted 6% H2O2 followed by soaking the cleansed wound with wet dressing using very diluted Colloidal Silver [ 10ppm ] gives satisfactory results.The wet dressing is changed daily. Granulation of tissue appears early with good cicatrization. The deodorant and the healing effect of this combined regime works even with 1: 10 dilution in all my outpatient cases. Incidentally, are you the same Catherine Creel I met in Medicinegarden famed for its Homeopathy,Flower Essences,Gemstones ,Metaphysics and Medical Astrology ? I may decide to request your ideas on potentised Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Silver proving. when my Graphics online courses are done. With regards Lew - Original Message - From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: CS Cracked sore hands Hi Larry, You said: He said that there was a rotten smell coming from them ?? His hands are now perhaps 98% clear. I've had my hands in bad shape before so I know what he means when he said Dad ,this has given me a whole new lease on life ! Was it the CS ?? Due to the fact that for 2 years of wearing the rubber gloves which kept his hands soaked in sweat anyway, and with no changeI'd guess it was the CS No doubt it was the CS, with it's antibacterial actions. The rubber gloves he wore kept his hands, as you observed, in a moist, bacteria-friendly environment.This was the smell observed. Nice work! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Cracked sore hands
Hi Lew, You said: Incidentally, are you the same Catherine Creel I met in Medicinegarden famed for its Homeopathy,Flower Essences,Gemstones ,Metaphysics and Medical Astrology ? I may decide to request your ideas on potentised Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Silver proving. when my Graphics online courses are done. Yes, I am. That sounds quite interesting. Please keep me informed. Good to 'see' you again! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium oxide
| First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check the label. Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to donate singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on over a century. You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide; in fact you won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact the cleansing action results because magnesium in this form is not well absorbed. | | Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you spray onto a | carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface, making it | easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to gradually break up | your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy protocol. ...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has had good, and | sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but still curious, | look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The pictures may just | change your mind. The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal. Duncan (ozone therapist) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Here's my take on it. I don't like bubbling because of several reasons. 1. Typically there are about 10,000 spores and dust particles in each cubic foot of air near the floor. That level decreases with height but nevertheless one can see that air is NOT clean in an average room. I do not think it wise to pump those particles through the water. I also think that it will raise the conductivity of the water giving one the false impression the mix is getting stronger. Stirring doesn't have this downside. 2. As Ivan stated, it also adds Co2 to the water. Stirring does not. 3. The bubblers most people opt for have tubing and diaphragms made of some plastic which may or may not outgas into the water. Not good. As to the other part. I tell our customers that it isn't the PPM that counts because that's only a measure of the weight of silver. 1 PPM = 1 mg silver. It's how many particles the silver is divided into that gives the most efficacy. So we say, if some is good (PPM), more is not necessarily better. I think many people fall for the idea that higher PPM is better when the fact is, strong mixes can lead to agglomeration and less total particles in a given measure of water. We recommend not making CS over 10 PPM so as to get a clear mix. If they want more silver particles in their system, we tell them to drink more of the water, not try to make it stronger. It is self defeating to keep trying for the strongest mix possible. As to the SG6 Auto. I have done quite a bit of experimenting with different motors and stirring speeds before settling on the motor speed we use which was 30 RPM but is now 40 RPM (different motor). My observations are that it only takes a very gentle movement of the water to move the cloud away from the anode. It does not take vigorous movement. Slow stirring accomplishes that quite easily. I have watched the dispersion for long periods using a laser pointer to see the movement. I think vigorous stirring can cause more agglomeration than gentle stirring. That's only an opinion...I may be wrong. I had poor results when using a small higher speed DC motor. Maybe others have better results. Someone said that the generator is designed for a pint. That's sort of true. It does work best in a pint. However it also works in much larger vessels. It just takes longer and there is a bit of stratification if the vessel is very deep. However, the CS disburses over a few hours. We tell folks that there are 3 ways around this. a. Set the dial a bit higher than you really want the end strength of the mix to be. It will average out to the strength you desired after shut-down. b. Wait a while for the mix to disburse and turn the generator back on to add a bit more silver to the water. c. Make a smaller quantity at one time and combine the fractions. When making a half gallon at a time one has to expect to have some differences compared to making a pint. It's not the same. Immediately after making the CS, the PWT generally reads higher than the next day. That's because there is more ionic silver then than after some of the particles have become colloidal. The total amount of silver in the water is the same. Only the ratio of ionic to colloidal has changed. The strength hasn't decreased as some people think because the PWT only reads ionic portions. That's why we say in our instructions that the reading will be lower the next day. As far as buildup on electrodes is concerned, if one insists on running in large volumes of water and trying to make high PPM, there will obviously be a buildup of elemental silver on the cathode. That's to be expected. It isn't usually a problem if one is making lower PPM CS. Hope this helps. Trem www.silvergen.com At 05:47 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please comments as too the differences. I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. Some days...using the stirit seems to take longer. Not observant enough to say why one day is different vs. another. Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: --First brew: Stirred batch. Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. Indicator light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was still on. My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. Often I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator light goes off. Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what measured the night before) I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater --Second
Re: CSsource for silver wire
A jeweler can market .999 silver wire to you - this is not jewelers silver. Mine had to order it in and I waited 10 days or so. I get mine from a jeweler, 10 feet of 1mm wire,for about $100 canadian funds. I know they are making money on it but its enough to last me for years, so I'll probably never have to buy anymore again. - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: CSsource for silver wire coin shop is cheaper, and you do not want Jewelery silver with nickle or other addittives, ,,do not use sterling silver,,,use 99.99 or higher purity silver. the Candan Silver Maple leaf coin is not made for circulation, (too solft) but it is pure Silver stamped on it..it is a $5.00 piece..I paid $8 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
That is an interesting observation. Any idea why? What was the material used to stir with? Marshall Tel Tofflemire wrote: Ole Bob, Respectfuly...I have used a stir'er and now a bubble'er to mix CS...The difference is: stired colloidal silver will always have a decreasing ppm reading , and a darker color change to yellow'ish with age. Bubbled CS will always (most always) stay clear, and keep the same reading for months, maybe forever? Just my observaton. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ Gaston wrote: Hi Ole Bob I see the reply from Ivan about CS that will probably read higher when using a bubbler instead a stirrer. Have you had a chance of comparing the two to prove that pls ? I presume that Ivan has done so. Gaston = - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:46 AM Subject: RE: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble Connie, A couple of thoughts come to mind: The stirrer does not mix too well. You are trying for too high a concentration. The bubbler introduces CO2 gas to the water, which will ionise and give a false (high) reading. If you are finding a change in the CS when exposed to light then it is possibly due to the quality of your water. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 11:48 a.m. To: silver- list Subject: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please comments as too the differences. I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. Some days...using the stirit seems to take longer. Not observant enough to say why one day is different vs. another. Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: --First brew: Stirred batch. Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. Indicator light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was still on. My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. Often I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator light goes off. Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what measured the night before) I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater --Second brew: Bubbled batch-stirrer removed. Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm. 10 hrs. later: indicator light off. I did not clean the electrodes at all. I shut down the generator. Did not test the ppm. left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm. (set at 20ppm) Some, but little precipitateelectrodes with little build up. My observed main points -bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's do not fall from one day to the next) -bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less precipitate in the container. -bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna) -occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled -consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure to light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically ''tested'' this.) -brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler. (this case 36 hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled) I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do not like the bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in terms I could understand and if bubbling is not good, whywhen it appears to make a better product? TIA Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScolloidal gold.
I tried today (probably still with the right transformers to make colloidal gold. I could not get good result. the one transformer is to low voltage (4500 V 100 ma) the other is 8000V 50 Ma. I decided to try the low voltage way again but not that low. So, I took a Diode bridge and connected the AC side directly to the main 240v then I connected the positive to the gold electrode the negative to a silver electrode. At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you think that I have colloidal Gold? Thank You Satchid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium oxide
Tracy I found this for you: Homozon FAQ What is Homozon? Is there a difference between Homozon and Homozone? Where can I purchase Homozon? Where can I find out more about Homozon? What is Homozon? Homozon is a compound of magnesium and oxygen in which the magnesium atoms form a loose lattice onto which much oxygen is bonded by catalytic process. When taken with lemon juice or other acidic juice, that oxygen is released inside the digestive tract, producing many benefits. As do most oxygen therapies, Homozon provides oxygen to the body in the form of nascent or singlet oxygen, also called the oxygen free-radical, which does not have to be converted by the body into that form as does the atmospheric oxygen (O2) we normally breathe. Nascent oxygen is oxygen in its most chemically active and available state, and that is the only state of oxygen the body uses. Homozon has a wonderful laxative effect. The stool is always loose and bowel movement regular and, depending on dosage, frequent. Some people consider the bowel-loosening action of Homozon a problem, but that is really one of its desired effects, facilitating elimination of toxicity through the bowel, yet Homozon lacks the habit-forming or bowel-weakening effects of some laxatives. Taking Homozon approaches colonic therapy in flushing the bowel. Many thanks to The International Association for Oxygen Therapy for the above concise explanation of Homozon and its effects. Is there a difference between Homozon and Homozone? Homozone is either a misspelling by those who are not yet familiar enough with the product to spell its name correctly, or the result of a misguided attempt to evade copyright laws by deliberately misspelling the name, as in such claims for other products as Better than Homozone. Where can I purchase Homozon? Single Containers Multiple Containers Oxystore.com The Oxystore will give a price break if you order say 10 at one time; they will knock about $3.00 off per tin - You have to ask for Victor to get this deal. IOP of Idaho P.O. Box 367 Priest River, ID. 83856 208-448-1543 Azure Standard 79709 Dufur Valley Road, Dufur, OR. 97021 541-467-2230 541-467-2210 Fax Miller Enterprises P. O. Box 50 Coolin, Idaho 83821 208-443-2373 Val Miller, Manager Where can I find out more about Homozon? There are several places where you can find out more information. This first is in the Oxytherapy.com Mailing List Archives. If you conduct a search, you will come up with numerous hits for your reading pleasure. You could also consider joining the Mailing List itself and pose some questions there. Dr. George A. Freibott, IV. is the expert on Homozon. You could visit his International Association for Oxygen Therapy site, or send him a message directly at dr...@oxytherapies.com The International Association for Oxygen Therapy also has an excellent article Die Haemozon Sauerstoff Kur (HOMOZON OXYGEN TREATMENT) which provides information on Homozon. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ Duncan Crow wrote: | First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check the label. Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to donate singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on over a century. You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide; in fact you won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact the cleansing action results because magnesium in this form is not well absorbed. | | Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you spray onto a | carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface, making it | easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to gradually break up | your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy protocol. ...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has had good, and | sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but still curious, | look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The pictures may just | change your mind. The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal. Duncan (ozone therapist) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
With all due respect Trem: I have used stir with a motor bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt testerbut what makes me assume my CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone generators in my house running 24 hrs a day to eliminate all dust and charge the air with extra oxygen, I have four generators most of the time, but one is lent out. When I make CS, once a week, I put a 3000 square foot generator in a 10 by 10 room and turn it on and close the door. It smells like a fresh rain and thunder storm had just passed over. very clean, my computer hardly ever has a film on it like before I started using the Ozone generators. PS My silver tastes better with ozone too, but I do not know if it IS better? All I know for sure is that it works on my family and bets.. Peace ! Tel Tofflemire Phoenix , AZ Trem wrote: Here's my take on it. I don't like bubbling because of several reasons. 1. Typically there are about 10,000 spores and dust particles in each cubic foot of air near the floor. That level decreases with height but nevertheless one can see that air is NOT clean in an average room. I do not think it wise to pump those particles through the water. I also think that it will raise the conductivity of the water giving one the false impression the mix is getting stronger. Stirring doesn't have this downside. 2. As Ivan stated, it also adds Co2 to the water. Stirring does not. 3. The bubblers most people opt for have tubing and diaphragms made of some plastic which may or may not outgas into the water. Not good. As to the other part. I tell our customers that it isn't the PPM that counts because that's only a measure of the weight of silver. 1 PPM = 1 mg silver. It's how many particles the silver is divided into that gives the most efficacy. So we say, if some is good (PPM), more is not necessarily better. I think many people fall for the idea that higher PPM is better when the fact is, strong mixes can lead to agglomeration and less total particles in a given measure of water. We recommend not making CS over 10 PPM so as to get a clear mix. If they want more silver particles in their system, we tell them to drink more of the water, not try to make it stronger. It is self defeating to keep trying for the strongest mix possible. As to the SG6 Auto. I have done quite a bit of experimenting with different motors and stirring speeds before settling on the motor speed we use which was 30 RPM but is now 40 RPM (different motor). My observations are that it only takes a very gentle movement of the water to move the cloud away from the anode. It does not take vigorous movement. Slow stirring accomplishes that quite easily. I have watched the dispersion for long periods using a laser pointer to see the movement. I think vigorous stirring can cause more agglomeration than gentle stirring. That's only an opinion...I may be wrong. I had poor results when using a small higher speed DC motor. Maybe others have better results. Someone said that the generator is designed for a pint. That's sort of true. It does work best in a pint. However it also works in much larger vessels. It just takes longer and there is a bit of stratification if the vessel is very deep. However, the CS disburses over a few hours. We tell folks that there are 3 ways around this. a. Set the dial a bit higher than you really want the end strength of the mix to be. It will average out to the strength you desired after shut-down. b. Wait a while for the mix to disburse and turn the generator back on to add a bit more silver to the water. c. Make a smaller quantity at one time and combine the fractions. When making a half gallon at a time one has to expect to have some differences compared to making a pint. It's not the same. Immediately after making the CS, the PWT generally reads higher than the next day. That's because there is more ionic silver then than after some of the particles have become colloidal. The total amount of silver in the water is the same. Only the ratio of ionic to colloidal has changed. The strength hasn't decreased as some people think because the PWT only reads ionic portions. That's why we say in our instructions that the reading will be lower the next day. As far as buildup on electrodes is concerned, if one insists on running in large volumes of water and trying to make high PPM, there will obviously be a buildup of elemental silver on the cathode. That's to be expected. It isn't usually a problem if one is making lower PPM CS. Hope this helps. Trem www.silvergen.com At 05:47 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please comments as too the differences.
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Hi Ya'all, When I developed the stirrer with the RAdio Shack 1 1/2 v dc motor I used a piece of #14 plastic coated house wire about 3 long. I put a 15 deg bend on the free end. I slid the copper out about 1/4 and cut it off. the empty end will push on to the motor shaft. With a 1 1/2 volt battery it woud stir up a storm. I had to put 3 ohms in series with one motor lead. That unit will stir a gallon jar with no problems. Be sure that the stirrer is centered between the electrodes as it purpose is to move the DW fast enough so that agglomeration does not set in. The change in your conductance readings with time is due to agglomeration of silver ions. The amount of silver in the CS does not change with time unless it plates out on the bottle. This is a very condition. The very very slight T.E. says that you have a mostly ionic silver solution. We call it colloidal silver due to custom, but it really is a silver solution. But at this stage of the game it would be impossible to change custom. Ole Bob: P.S. when answering an email please delete all or most of the message that you are responding to. Thanks
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Should read works on my family petssorry for the typo Q\ Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ Tel Tofflemire wrote: With all due respect Trem: I have used stir with a motor bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt testerbut what makes me assume my CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone generators in my house running 24 hrs a day to eliminate all dust and charge the air with extra oxygen, I have four generators most of the time, but one is lent out. When I make CS, once a week, I put a 3000 square foot generator in a 10 by 10 room and turn it on and close the door. It smells like a fresh rain and thunder storm had just passed over. very clean, my computer hardly ever has a film on it like before I started using the Ozone generators. PS My silver tastes better with ozone too, but I do not know if it IS better? All I know for sure is that it works on my family and bets.. Peace ! Tel Tofflemire Phoenix , AZ Trem wrote: Here's my take on it. I don't like bubbling because of several reasons. 1. Typically there are about 10,000 spores and dust particles in each cubic foot of air near the floor. That level decreases with height but nevertheless one can see that air is NOT clean in an average room. I do not think it wise to pump those particles through the water. I also think that it will raise the conductivity of the water giving one the false impression the mix is getting stronger. Stirring doesn't have this downside. 2. As Ivan stated, it also adds Co2 to the water. Stirring does not. 3. The bubblers most people opt for have tubing and diaphragms made of some plastic which may or may not outgas into the water. Not good. As to the other part. I tell our customers that it isn't the PPM that counts because that's only a measure of the weight of silver. 1 PPM = 1 mg silver. It's how many particles the silver is divided into that gives the most efficacy. So we say, if some is good (PPM), more is not necessarily better. I think many people fall for the idea that higher PPM is better when the fact is, strong mixes can lead to agglomeration and less total particles in a given measure of water. We recommend not making CS over 10 PPM so as to get a clear mix. If they want more silver particles in their system, we tell them to drink more of the water, not try to make it stronger. It is self defeating to keep trying for the strongest mix possible. As to the SG6 Auto. I have done quite a bit of experimenting with different motors and stirring speeds before settling on the motor speed we use which was 30 RPM but is now 40 RPM (different motor). My observations are that it only takes a very gentle movement of the water to move the cloud away from the anode. It does not take vigorous movement. Slow stirring accomplishes that quite easily. I have watched the dispersion for long periods using a laser pointer to see the movement. I think vigorous stirring can cause more agglomeration than gentle stirring. That's only an opinion...I may be wrong. I had poor results when using a small higher speed DC motor. Maybe others have better results. Someone said that the generator is designed for a pint. That's sort of true. It does work best in a pint. However it also works in much larger vessels. It just takes longer and there is a bit of stratification if the vessel is very deep. However, the CS disburses over a few hours. We tell folks that there are 3 ways around this. a. Set the dial a bit higher than you really want the end strength of the mix to be. It will average out to the strength you desired after shut-down. b. Wait a while for the mix to disburse and turn the generator back on to add a bit more silver to the water. c. Make a smaller quantity at one time and combine the fractions. When making a half gallon at a time one has to expect to have some differences compared to making a pint. It's not the same. Immediately after making the CS, the PWT generally reads higher than the next day. That's because there is more ionic silver then than after some of the particles have become colloidal. The total amount of silver in the water is the same. Only the ratio of ionic to colloidal has changed. The strength hasn't decreased as some people think because the PWT only reads ionic portions. That's why we say in our instructions that the reading will be lower the next day. As far as buildup on electrodes is concerned, if one insists on running in large volumes of water and trying to make high PPM, there will obviously be a buildup of elemental silver on the cathode. That's to be expected. It isn't usually a problem if one is making lower PPM CS. Hope this helps. Trem www.silvergen.com At 05:47 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Re: CS'water-soluble' silver?
Hi Kevin, If you are using LVDC I doubt if there will be a color change. I think mine is due to the presence of NO3 or NO2. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Hi Gaton, No I have not fiddled with the bubbler concept. If you have anything in the brew area that produces CO2 it will change the conductivity reading. A simple test is to measure the conductiviety of some DW that is in a wide mouth jar every 4 hours that is open to the air and keep a record, and you will find that the conductivity increases as it adsorbs the CO2 in the air. It cancome from your breath. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAthlets foot
Hi, I would like to get an instruction sheet. Thanks Dave Reese Terry Chamberlin wrote: JCBarton said: I've had athletes foot (and now toenail fungus-ugh) for 40 years. Can't get rid of it. Terry Responds: There are several factors to be considered. One report described soaking socks in CS and allowing them to dry. This works well, but a bit of a hassle (you could soak 6 pairs at a time). Another is Tea Tree oil (between the toes), which also has worked for me. (So have the socks, but you have to keep doing them.) My experience has been over the years, so far without exception, that folks with athletes foot problems (and corns, bunions, etc.) have an overly acid urine or urine/saliva pH, caused by a deficiency in alkaline calcium. The cheapest (but still bioavailable) alkaline calcium around is calcium hydroxide. A pharmacist can get it (if he will) in bulk (not in capsules), or you can order it from Daily Manufacturing, in North Carolina, 800-782-7326. They won't give me a dime for referring you to them. They also carry a mixture of calcium hydroxide and Coral calcium which is even more alkaline. Dr. Carey Reams explained that pH is not a reflection of acidic or alkaline foods, but of a deficiency of acidic or alkaline calciums. The primary acidic calcium is calcium lactate (there are others, but they are all more expensive and less available). Calcium citrate, gluconate and hydroxyapatite are all neutral forms of calcium, good as an extra source of calcium, but having no effect on ones pH. If you have good pH paper (measures in .2 increments, not .5 increments), the goal is to achive a pH for both urine and saliva of 6.4, not 7.0. Because the pH range is 0-14, 7.0 is the logical balanced medium, and so is in a laboratory, but in the human metabolism, balanced is 6.4. I know there is a widely-held assumption that it's better to be alkaline than acid, but one imbalance is not better than another. The clients who come to me who are too acid (depending on how much too acid) may be heading towards cancer, their digestion is too fast, they may be also heading towards diabetes, arthritis and osteoporosis. The folks who are too alkaline (depending on how much too alkaline) are usually constipated (maybe one BM per week), frequently struggle with headaches, allergies, and may be heading towards heart disease, diverticulitis, Crohns's disease, irritable bowel syndrome or CFS. At 6.4, one's digestion is at its best and assimilation is greatest. An acid pH person, depending on how long they've been acid and how acid, is losing minerals more from the bottom half of their body, so will tend to have feet problems like athlets foot (other problems as well). If you stop the migration of minerals upwards, your athletes foot should disappear. Vit D has an alkalinizing effect on the pH, so acid folks should take large doses of it. I give my acidic clients 6,000-8,000 i.u. of Vit D per day, until their pH balances. The commonly-held assumption that calcium is better absorbed with Vit D is only true of acidic people. Overly alkaline people should not even take Vit D. When I was in the US, when working with cancer clients, I would have them take 50,000 i.u. of Vit D per day, with never any hint of overdose. Of course, these were people with pHs of 4.3-5.0, very serious pH numbers. Many Health Food stores sell pH paper made by Greens Plus. It measures in .2 increments (7.0, 7.2, 7.4, etc.). To get an accurate picture of your true pHs, you should test urine and saliva, morning and evening, for six days, keeping a record. I have an instruction page with spaces to record your numbers in that I can email you upon request. Terry Chamberlin Metabolic Solutions Institute RR1 314 Carleton Rd Lawrencetown, NS B0S 1M0 902-584-3810 voice 413-826-7641 fax service msi...@yahoo.com __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal gold.
You you have any tyndall or color? Marshall Satchid wrote: I tried today (probably still with the right transformers to make colloidal gold. I could not get good result. the one transformer is to low voltage (4500 V 100 ma) the other is 8000V 50 Ma. I decided to try the low voltage way again but not that low. So, I took a Diode bridge and connected the AC side directly to the main 240v then I connected the positive to the gold electrode the negative to a silver electrode. At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you think that I have colloidal Gold? Thank You Satchid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal gold.
Hi Satchid, I suspect you are making colloidal silver. Gold atoms are not going to dissociate at that voltage. I'll bet the reverse current leakage on your diode bridge is allowing enough current to flow on the reverse cycles to let the silver become the anode for brief periods. Trem At 07:26 PM 1/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: I tried today (probably still with the right transformers to make colloidal gold. I could not get good result. the one transformer is to low voltage (4500 V 100 ma) the other is 8000V 50 Ma. I decided to try the low voltage way again but not that low. So, I took a Diode bridge and connected the AC side directly to the main 240v then I connected the positive to the gold electrode the negative to a silver electrode. At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you think that I have colloidal Gold? Thank You Satchid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbe with news and questions.
Hiya! I am new to this and would love to purchase some CS. I'm a stressed-out student, so I figure it won't be a while until I can learn to make it myself. Does anyone here know anyone in the New Haven, CT area who may be able to sell me CS/ where I can purchase it? Thanks! Mimi _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal gold.
Hi Satchid, you do not make CG with DC. You need an AC arc underwater. You can tell CG by its color. It starts out a very pale lavender and increase to red with ppm. With a NST you do not need to measure the current (besides it is very difficult to due at 12 kv) It will run the full capacity of the NST wither 30 ma or 60 ma. Don't diddle around with DC and low current. It is a waste of time. Go to WWW.colloidal gold.com andsee what others have done. WE all make CG that way or slightly modified. Ole Bob Satchid wrote: I tried today (probably still with the right transformers to make colloidal gold. I could not get good result. the one transformer is to low voltage (4500 V 100 ma) the other is 8000V 50 Ma. I decided to try the low voltage way again but not that low. So, I took a Diode bridge and connected the AC side directly to the main 240v then I connected the positive to the gold electrode the negative to a silver electrode. At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you think that I have colloidal Gold? Thank You Satchid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsource for silver wire
I got some from http://www.ccsilver.com Respectfully, Rich Adams : If I wanted to purchase silver wire locally, where (besides a jeweler) : would I look? : -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScolloidal gold.
The liquid is clear as water, I have a very little TE AND ONLY WHEN IT IS DARK IN THE ROOM; Satchid -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: vrijdag 18 januari 2002 20:25 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold. You you have any tyndall or color? Marshall Satchid wrote: I tried today (probably still with the right transformers to make colloidal gold. I could not get good result. the one transformer is to low voltage (4500 V 100 ma) the other is 8000V 50 Ma. I decided to try the low voltage way again but not that low. So, I took a Diode bridge and connected the AC side directly to the main 240v then I connected the positive to the gold electrode the negative to a silver electrode. At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you think that I have colloidal Gold? Thank You Satchid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScolloidal gold.
I am almost sure that you are right. Satchid -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: vrijdag 18 januari 2002 20:26 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold. Hi Satchid, I suspect you are making colloidal silver. Gold atoms are not going to dissociate at that voltage. I'll bet the reverse current leakage on your diode bridge is allowing enough current to flow on the reverse cycles to let the silver become the anode for brief periods. Trem At 07:26 PM 1/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: I tried today (probably still with the right transformers to make colloidal gold. I could not get good result. the one transformer is to low voltage (4500 V 100 ma) the other is 8000V 50 Ma. I decided to try the low voltage way again but not that low. So, I took a Diode bridge and connected the AC side directly to the main 240v then I connected the positive to the gold electrode the negative to a silver electrode. At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you think that I have colloidal Gold? Thank You Satchid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CStest
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Seems to me a very simple test would indicate if foreign materials are being introduced into your c/s by the Bubbler.. Just take u/s reading on your d/w. Then run your bubbler through the water for some time.(Don't Make c/s ) Take another u/s reading. If readings are the same then you can assume that no contamination has taken place. Grant.. With all due respect Trem: I have used stir with a motor bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt testerbut what makes me assume my CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone generators in m -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Grant: your so smart ! I wish I would have thought of that...:) I did wonder whats the difference if your place is full of dust and you breath it or drink it or both ? Glad your still thinking Grant. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix., AZ Grant wrote: Seems to me a very simple test would indicate if foreign materials are being introduced into your c/s by the Bubbler.. Just take u/s reading on your d/w. Then run your bubbler through the water for some time.(Don't Make c/s ) Take another u/s reading. If readings are the same then you can assume that no contamination has taken place. Grant.. With all due respect Trem: I have used stir with a motor bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir
Re: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Well sure, your room is probably relatively clear of dust and spores but that doesn't affect the average person that isn't running an ion or ozone machine. There's a lot of stuff in the air on average. So, I still wouldn't bubble my CS. But we all have our preferences. Trem Tel. At 11:54 AM 1/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: With all due respect Trem: I have used stir with a motor bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt testerbut what makes me assume my CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone generators in my house running 24 hrs a day to eliminate all dust and charge the air with extra oxygen, I have four generators most of the time, but one is lent out. When I make CS, once a week, I put a 3000 square foot generator in a 10 by 10 room and turn it on and close the door. It smells like a fresh rain and thunder storm had just passed over. very clean, my computer hardly ever has a film on it like before I started using the Ozone generators. PS My silver tastes better with ozone too, but I do not know if it IS better? All I know for sure is that it works on my family and bets.. Peace ! Tel Tofflemire Phoenix , AZ Trem wrote: Here's my take on it. I don't like bubbling because of several reasons. 1. Typically there are about 10,000 spores and dust particles in each cubic foot of air near the floor. That level decreases with height but nevertheless one can see that air is NOT clean in an average room. I do not think it wise to pump those particles through the water. I also think that it will raise the conductivity of the water giving one the false impression the mix is getting stronger. Stirring doesn't have this downside. 2. As Ivan stated, it also adds Co2 to the water. Stirring does not. 3. The bubblers most people opt for have tubing and diaphragms made of some plastic which may or may not outgas into the water. Not good. As to the other part. I tell our customers that it isn't the PPM that counts because that's only a measure of the weight of silver. 1 PPM = 1 mg silver. It's how many particles the silver is divided into that gives the most efficacy. So we say, if some is good (PPM), more is not necessarily better. I think many people fall for the idea that higher PPM is better when the fact is, strong mixes can lead to agglomeration and less total particles in a given measure of water. We recommend not making CS over 10 PPM so as to get a clear mix. If they want more silver particles in their system, we tell them to drink more of the water, not try to make it stronger. It is self defeating to keep trying for the strongest mix possible. As to the SG6 Auto. I have done quite a bit of experimenting with different motors and stirring speeds before settling on the motor speed we use which was 30 RPM but is now 40 RPM (different motor). My observations are that it only takes a very gentle movement of the water to move the cloud away from the anode. It does not take vigorous movement. Slow stirring accomplishes that quite easily. I have watched the dispersion for long periods using a laser pointer to see the movement. I think vigorous stirring can cause more agglomeration than gentle stirring. That's only an opinion...I may be wrong. I had poor results when using a small higher speed DC motor. Maybe others have better results. Someone said that the generator is designed for a pint. That's sort of true. It does work best in a pint. However it also works in much larger vessels. It just takes longer and there is a bit of stratification if the vessel is very deep. However, the CS disburses over a few hours. We tell folks that there are 3 ways around this. a. Set the dial a bit higher than you really want the end strength of the mix to be. It will average out to the strength you desired after shut-down. b. Wait a while for the mix to disburse and turn the generator back on to add a bit more silver to the water. c. Make a smaller quantity at one time and combine the fractions. When making a half gallon at a time one has to expect to have some differences compared to making a pint. It's not the same. Immediately after making the CS, the PWT generally reads higher than the next day. That's because there is more ionic silver then than after some of the particles have become colloidal. The total amount of silver in the water is the same. Only the ratio of ionic to colloidal has changed. The strength hasn't decreased as some people think because the PWT only reads ionic portions. That's why we say in our instructions that the reading will be lower the next day. As far as buildup on electrodes is concerned, if one insists on running in large volumes of water and trying to make high PPM, there will obviously be a buildup of elemental silver on the cathode. That's to be expected. It isn't usually a
CSRe[2]: CSquestions: stir vs. bubble
Hello Tel, Friday, January 18, 2002, 1:54:39 PM, you wrote: TT With all due respect Trem: TT I have used stir with a motor bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir TT by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt testerbut what makes me assume my TT CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone generators in TT my house running 24 hrs a day to eliminate all dust and charge the air with extra TT oxygen, I have four generators most of the time, but one is lent out. When I make TT CS, once a week, I put a 3000 square foot generator in a 10 by 10 room and turn it TT on and close the door. It smells like a fresh rain and thunder storm had just TT passed over. very clean, my computer hardly ever has a film on it like before I TT started using the Ozone generators. PS My silver tastes better with ozone too, TT but I do not know if it IS better? All I know for sure is that it works on my TT family and bets.. Peace ! TT Tel Tofflemire TT Phoenix , AZ Tel, I'm taking Trem's side here for sure. You didn't address one of the big concerns. Outgassing from the platic tubing and pump parts. Adding ozone to the air is going to make that problem even worse. Unless all of the components in the construction of your air pump are made from material designed to withstand ozone, and you are using the green, ozone-rated tubing on it, you are adding a bunch of unknown chemicals to your water. Ask Ole Bob about his research (years worth) into bubbling versus stirring. He spent 2 years investigating the various methodologies of making LVDC CS, and has it documented to boot. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal gold.
Evening Satchid, At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you want the current to stay stable at some specific value, after it increases to that value? If so, a good autoformer connected into the ac line would let you control it nicely. I have collected a number of the autoformers over the years. Before I learned how to build solid state supplies, I would use these in many ways to obtain variable voltages of specific values. Building neat little circuits in the late 50's and early 60's was a bit different than it is today. What is your input voltage? 120, 240, or 480, ac? Surely not 277 VAC? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScolloidal gold.
Hi Wayne My input voltage is 240v, dropped this experiment. I am now back on HVAC. I have now two neon transformers: 1= 4500 V at 100 mA the other is 9200 V 50 mA. I just cant get them firing in the water. I have no experience on this subject. I can find no instructions at all on the internet. I am a little bit stuck on this. Satchid -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: zaterdag 19 januari 2002 0:44 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold. Evening Satchid, At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. Do you want the current to stay stable at some specific value, after it increases to that value? If so, a good autoformer connected into the ac line would let you control it nicely. I have collected a number of the autoformers over the years. Before I learned how to build solid state supplies, I would use these in many ways to obtain variable voltages of specific values. Building neat little circuits in the late 50's and early 60's was a bit different than it is today. What is your input voltage? 120, 240, or 480, ac? Surely not 277 VAC? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbe with news and questions.
Mimi, HI!! Welcome to the list. I assume you are Tracy's friend. I'm a friend of hers as well. I am a stressed out single mom with a chronically ill child..and I make my own. I would be more than willing to send you some via mail...I don't live far from you.but I would highly recommend doing it yourself. I bought my generator from www.sunstoneherbals.com and it is VERY easy!! The generator was much less expensive than even buying a few ounces of colloidal silver from the health food store. This is how you use this generator: Put a cup of distilled water in a glass.set the generator on the glass.set a timer for 45 minutes..and there you have it (when the timer goes off ~:-})!! Colloidal silver. I bring my generator with me when I travel...it fits in a ziploc sandwich bag.and I can heal whatever ails us.wherever we are. As I said, I am more than willing to send you some.contact me offlist and I can give you more info if you want it. By the way.I was born and raised in Ctmiss it! God Bless, Christiane - Original Message - From: Mimi supersugarjun...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: CSNewbe with news and questions. Hiya! I am new to this and would love to purchase some CS. I'm a stressed-out student, so I figure it won't be a while until I can learn to make it myself. Does anyone here know anyone in the New Haven, CT area who may be able to sell me CS/ where I can purchase it? Thanks! Mimi _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSreply Re: CStest
Charles, What may we help you with an the list?? That is what we have the list for is discusion etc. let us know. maxine -Original Message- From: charles shutford rus...@charter.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: CStest
RE: CScolloidal gold.
Evening Satchid, My input voltage is 240v, dropped this experiment. I read Ole Bobs message. He is highly knowledgeable in CS and CG making, and the associated theories as well. Still. I hate to hear you dropped it. Like the old saying, retreat hell, we are just attacking in another direction So, I figure you are planning your counter attack to the problem. I am now back on HVAC. I have now two neon transformers: 1= 4500 V at 100 mA the other is 9200 V 50 mA. I just cant get them firing in the water. Have your connected the transformers in series? If you did that, you would have 13,200 volts at 50 ma. While I am not a high voltage expert, there may be some reason you can't do that. Typically transformers can be connected in series or parallel. Certain guidelines must be observed. I have no experience on this subject. I can find no instructions at all on the internet. I am a little bit stuck on this. I do have several friends who are high voltage experts, electrical and electronic engineers. They usually help me on any crazy project I undertake. I will be looking for transformers. What type and where do I look? I have a customer that is a sign company. They may have some transformers in their junk pile. I need to know more about this myself. I looked at the link that bob suggested. There are one or two others working on CG. If I understand the task correctly, one needs to fire or arc two electrodes under water. Seems controlling the gassing problem will be the biggest problem to solve. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScolloidal gold.
Wayne, There is a lot of info on the list I found an hour ago) If you go to the top of the list and do a search HVAC, then you find info that you need. I am still looking into it. it is very teaching. Satchid -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: zaterdag 19 januari 2002 3:44 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold. Evening Satchid, My input voltage is 240v, dropped this experiment. I read Ole Bobs message. He is highly knowledgeable in CS and CG making, and the associated theories as well. Still. I hate to hear you dropped it. Like the old saying, retreat hell, we are just attacking in another direction So, I figure you are planning your counter attack to the problem. I am now back on HVAC. I have now two neon transformers: 1= 4500 V at 100 mA the other is 9200 V 50 mA. I just cant get them firing in the water. Have your connected the transformers in series? If you did that, you would have 13,200 volts at 50 ma. While I am not a high voltage expert, there may be some reason you can't do that. Typically transformers can be connected in series or parallel. Certain guidelines must be observed. I have no experience on this subject. I can find no instructions at all on the internet. I am a little bit stuck on this. I do have several friends who are high voltage experts, electrical and electronic engineers. They usually help me on any crazy project I undertake. I will be looking for transformers. What type and where do I look? I have a customer that is a sign company. They may have some transformers in their junk pile. I need to know more about this myself. I looked at the link that bob suggested. There are one or two others working on CG. If I understand the task correctly, one needs to fire or arc two electrodes under water. Seems controlling the gassing problem will be the biggest problem to solve. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSQuestion about saline other stuff
Sorry to be so ignorant, I am definitely not good at chemistry, but my question re: saline and the concern about sodium chloride, it is only if used when making the cs, or does it also apply when mixing together such as in a nasal spray? Also, my first quart batch of cs I stored in amber bottles, the color was almost clear. The second batch I put in one of the distilled water bottles which was opaque, and the color was clearish until the next day when I had it in my truck for a couple of hours and it got kind of warm, but not hot. It changed to a grey color. Was that because of the container being too light, or the warmer temp. or a combination of both, and would it still be okay to use or should it be discarded? Third batch, I put some in a clear glass, and added a little bit of salt for the chloride test, and the cs stayed almost the same, just a tiny bit cloudy. What does that indicate? Next question, I am planning to purchase a ppm tester, do the less expensive ones work okay? (the 25.00 price range). Please forgive my ignorance, I want to use cs for life, and want to do it right! Laura H. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPolarity Switch Experiment
List, I performed the following experiment: Case 1 was to make one quart of CS using a constant 1 ma DC current for 4 hours with electrodes spaced about 2 inches and with constant stirring. Starting V= 173.7 volts, I=0.86 ma, so R = 202K. Ending V = 13.8, I=1.18 ma, so R= 11.7K. Using Ivan's formala, the PPM was 1.3*(202/11.7) = 22.4 PPM. uS measured 14.5 with Hanna PWT. At the end there was some gunk which sluffed off the wires and sunk to the bottom. Case 2 is exactly the same as Case 1, except the polarity was reversed about every 45 seconds. Start V=168, I=0.96 so R=175K. End V=30, I=1.16 so R=25.9K. PPM calculates to 8.8 and measured 6.7 uS. Both wires were black, but no gunk was produced. Both batches have very faint Tyndall effect, visiable only in a dark room. Case 1 was slightly more visible. Both were made with Wallmart DW which measures around 1 uS with the PWT. So it is obvious to me that polarity reversing definitely produces a weaker batch. Case 1 is (14.5-1)/(6.7-1) = about 2.4 times stronger, comparing uS measurements. Or, case 1 is 22.4/8.8= about 2.5 times higher PPM using Ivan's formula. Granted this was not a highly controlled experiment. One quart jar may have had a bit more residual silver which had plated out on the glass than another. I may not have filled the jars to exactly the same level, the 120 volt line voltage may have been a bit different, etc. But the difference (more than a factor of 2) between polarity reversal and not is much too large to be explained away be sloppy experiment procedures. So it appears that one must run their constant current generator a bit more than twice as long if polarity reversal is used to end up with the same PPM for no reversal. What is interesting is that at polarity reversal time, the voltage rises up and settles back to the pre-switch voltage in just a few seconds. Thus one would think the production strength would not be affected more than 10% or so instead of over 50%. So, fellow scientists, why the big drop in uS or PPM when polarity switching is used? How about if some of you repeat the experiment to ensure my findings are valid? I suspect similar results will occur even if your generator is not constant current (e.g. 3 9 volt batteries). --Steve -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbie
Hello everyoneglad to be on this list. I was diagnoised with enphazemia which is what started my experiments with CS. I take about 1/3 cup a day. The very first thing I noticed after holding it in my mouth for a few minutes before swallowing was the paque on my teeth had disappeared completly. I then decided to try it on this kind of growth I had on the bottom of my foot for the past 10 years. I had tried everything short of going to a Dr. (so I don't know for sure what it was) but it hurt like H=== everytime I took a step. Within 1 week of soaking my foot in CS it disappeared along with the pain. Since I have gotten great results from the silver, I am ready to start experimenting with C-copper and C-zinc. Does anyone know much about either of these? There is very little information on the internet, but what I have read sounds like a fountain of youth. At 48 I am ready to turn back the hands of time. I agree with Hulda Clark that all dis-eases are caused by parasites kill the paraasites give the body what it needs to rebuild itself and live a long a healthy life. Candice
CSLearning the lingo
I have been on this list for about a fortnight now and I find it is a wealth of information. I do, however, have one problemits all the capital letters that people use to describe things. I know that CS stands for colloidal silver (stands to reason doesnt it) and I think I have worked out that ABX might be short for antibiotics but most of the rest confuse the heck out of me. Is there an archive list anywhere of what most of the short forms people use are? Alison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfirst batch
My mother and I made our first batches of CS today. ( I had made a trial batch using boiled water last week but only got my distilled water yesterday - and Mum had to wait till yesterday for me to get the generator that I made for her to her) I was very happy with mine - after about 15 mins one rod had bubbles rising from it and the other had the finest wisps coming off it so I timed it 5 mins from then. I plan on drinking 40mls a day, more if I feel myself coming down with something. My mothers batch, even after an hour she could not see wisps tho she had the rising bubbles and the tarnished rods. Can we assume that she has made CS? Yes, she did use distilled water at room temperature. She is 65 and her eyes are not as good as they once were. Maybe there is a possibility that she just didnt see the wisps as they were so fine. I would be grateful for any opinion here. What indication does one get when the batteries are going flat? Also, what is the shelf life of CS? I was wondering about putting some in a small bottle and keeping it in my handbag for any eventuality. Does anyone else do this? Is it adviseable? Alison in New Zealand -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbie
Yes I have Hulda's books. I sold them a while I also went on the aparsite cleanse and plan on again soon. Teh thing is there are 3 things I think that if you have all three in your system they will cause a cancer in certain places as will Parasites. I tried to eliminate many things in my home but some just can't but more than you think realy. I am axous to get my CS and take it. William was checking tonight more on some imfo on just how to build it and why this and that etc. He likes to know how exactly it will work before he builds anyhting. I have some freinds that want this also. he bought a gal and paiid abt 150.00 for it and they got ridd of their pain I also have. same from chicken pox virus. But as other things come along and some pain comes back they still take some every day. We will have to make it and for them also so will soon I hope. Maxine -Original Message- From: dolphin...@aol.com dolphin...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: CSNewbie Hello everyoneglad to be on this list. I was diagnoised with enphazemia which is what started my experiments with CS. I take about 1/3 cup a day. The very first thing I noticed after holding it in my mouth for a few minutes before swallowing was the paque on my teeth had disappeared completly. I then decided to try it on this kind of growth I had on the bottom of my foot for the past 10 years. I had tried everything short of going to a Dr. (so I don't know for sure what it was) but it hurt like H=== everytime I took a step. Within 1 week of soaking my foot in CS it disappeared along with the pain. Since I have gotten great results from the silver, I am ready to start experimenting with C-copper and C-zinc. Does anyone know much about either of these? There is very little information on the internet, but what I have read sounds like a fountain of youth. At 48 I am ready to turn back the hands of time. I agree with Hulda Clark that all dis-eases are caused by parasites kill the paraasites give the body what it needs to rebuild itself and live a long a healthy life. Candice
