Re: CShelp
Hi Jaxi: You're right; that describes the Silvergen SG7 to a T. The Colloid Master doesn't look bad, but I don't like flat plate electrodes without both reverse polarity AND rigorous stirring. I have owned one of each of most EIS makers (at least ones with at least one unique feature), and I've been using the SG7 successfully since 2002 or 2003; it's by far my favorite unit. I also have a few Silver Puppies; for smaller amounts of EIS, it's also one of my favorites. ~Jason - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 17:49 Subject: Re: CShelp I disagree that those are the best or only ones to buy but that point aside the description Joe sent sounds like a silvergen to me. I personally have a silver puppy and just LOVE it. I was trying to answer the person's question and direct them to the EIS maker it sounded like he was describing ... I did not try to tell him which one he should buy or which one I think is best. Peace, Jaxi On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: No not even close to a Colloidal Master, but do what you want ! Tel Tofflemire From: jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: Re: CShelp Sounds like Silvergen to me http://www.silvergen.com/sg7pro.htm Jaxi -- From: Joe Crook j.crooksoluti...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: CShelp I am a big advocate of cs. I have been taking it for several yrs with much success. while at my uncles house last week he showed me a generator he found through this discussion. It was a 5 gal plastic tub with a spout. The generator was fixed to the top with plates I presume, they were not consumable rods ( which I liked this feature very much ) . He has been making 10 ppm - 20 ppm for several yrs now. He has not been sick in over 7 yrs. Could someone possible point me in the right direction to find this generator. Thank you. Many blessings.
Re: CSMSM
Hi Gary: There is quite a bit of authentic research material available. Feel free to browse some of it here: http://www.eytonsearth.org/bentonite.html There is plenty of great material on our informational website. I wrote a book about the use of therapeutic clays, which includes the publication of several clinical studies which have been done in the past. In my experience, all IBS can be managed with informed use of therapeutic clay, allowing an individual the chance to actually heal the digestive system... all but one (and I have about two decades of research experience with clays). In some very, very rare cases, IBS can be caused by a central nervous system disorder that is nuerological in origin. Other treatment options would have to be considered in such a case, as ingesting therapeutic clay would not have the desired effect. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Gary Hilt To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 15:53 Subject: Re: CSMSM AHHH my bad i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because some one said they take a certain thing without at least some documentation would be less than responsible. Do you not agree? On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com wrote: With all due respect Gary, you came asking for help and you are being provided with help. Discounting something that others know about and have used may result in folks just not helping. FWIW, These clays are NOT dirt. Read more about it here: http://tinyurl.com/bgo876l Craig Gary Hilt wrote: Well thats not good news about the MSM but i have to tell ya ingesting dirt??? i just dont see that happening :O) On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Del wrote: MSM is not a solution for IBS In fact, it may aggravate it. It certainly aggravated my IBS-D. There was practically no dose no matter how small that didn't set off a big attack of diarrhea. I persisted at one point, but never could raise it and it never didn't cause diarrhea even after faithful daily use. My experience with kefir was the same. sol The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold: 1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website: http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php. Start with a teaspoon of clay in four ounces of filtered or purified water twice a day, and increase to as much as a tablespoon in 8oz twice a day. Stir the clay into the water and let it sit for half an hour before drinking. 2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay. Colon Care from Yerba Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in general, prevents constipation, and provides great fiber for colon health. http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1353523461sr=8-2keywords=colon+care http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1353523461sr=8-2keywords=colon+care 3. Live Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every day, at least 8 ounces a day. I drink mine in the evening and let it work while I am asleep. You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did and they work very well. Use organic milk, raw milk if you can get it. We also tried water kefir and Kombucha, but neither of those were near as effective as the kefir. http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpcie=UTF8qid=1353523667sr=1-1keywords=kefir+grains http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpcie=UTF8qid=1353523667sr=1-1keywords=kefir+grains -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMSM
Hi Gary: It depends upon the clay and the individual. The three clay blend that was mentioned earlier is a bit more pallatable than some clays. We actually pioneered a method of dry ozonating edible clay to improve the taste a bit. http://www.eytonsearth.org/tecopia-essentia.php You can view certificate of analysis and clay minerology report on several clays we use and study above; usage information is also available. Clay is actually much more pallatable than MSM (I take about 1/2 cup of MSM daily). Keep in mind that clay is not dirt or mud; when pure clay is mixed with water, it creates a colloid comprised of minute and highly organized crystals. Different clays have different particle characteristics, mineral combinations, and particle sizes. For IBS, the larger smectite particles are ideal, because they are not adsorbed into the system, but pass through the stomach and small intestine into the large intestine. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Gary Hilt To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 17:25 Subject: Re: CSMSM Thanks for your response im not familiar with find any folks of this healing knowledge. i would like to get this resolved. What makes this clay more palatable. Or does it matter? On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com wrote: Yes, if one did not know the person who made the recommendation, but Del is well known here and highly respected. If he made an error in his recommendation, there would have been many responses pointing that out FOR you. Its the way it works here. Craig Gary Hilt wrote: AHHH my bad i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because some one said they take a certain thing without at least some documentation would be less than responsible. Do you not agree? -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMaking silver colloids from silvernitrate and trisodium citrate
Hi David: Are you using a biofilm protocol along with silver? I would use EIS to help cut down populations of microbes (just because you don't experience a herx reaction, doesn't mean an antimicrobial substance isn't doing some work), and use enzymes and di-sodium EDTA to help address microbes that are protected from most anti-microbial substances. Something like this: https://www.protherainc.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=K-INTP ...cimbined, perhaps, with additional systemic enzymes. ...also, combining MSM with Vitamin C in increasingly large amounts (to tolerance). Anyone with Lyme or lyme-like pathogenic conditions should be researching more comprehensive protocols to address this. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 15:07 Subject: CSMaking silver colloids from silvernitrate and trisodium citrate The reason I am trying to try things like this is because my bugs are not dying. If I take a swig of 1000PPM silver citrate, I get a herx, but I am not ready to do that regularly as I am afraid of argyria. I have also taken a few drops of 15,000PPM silver citrate with barely noticeable response. Other things I have thought of doing are drops of super concentrated silver nitrate, but there are warnings that it may not be safe to contact tissues at higher PPMs, so I am shy about that. And then also that may turn me blue eventually. Silver nitrate can supposedly reach like 2 million PPM at saturation. Well, then I suppose another approach is trying super concentrated silver colloids. I feel a little better about that since I have not heard of anyone getting argyria from silver colloids, but tell me if I am wrong. Also no one has complained about toxicity of lower PPM silver colloid suspensions. One claimed method is using the reducing agent from silverlungs: http://shop.silverlungs.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AGENT They only recently started selling it separately. Though I would need a high PPM ionic solution in order to convert to colloids in the first place. I suppose I could just see what happens if I mixed it with silver citrate or silver nitrate solutions in that case. And then there is this method: http://www.ktu.edu/lt/mokslas/zurnalai/medz/medz0-87/03%20Electronic...(pp.287-291).pdf Apparently, you can mix silver nitrate and trisodium citrate to make colloidal silver. The method described in the paper would yield approximately 100PPM colloidal silver assuming it all gets converted. This begs the question if the same process would work for much higher concentrations, perhaps making say 1000PPM silver colloids? And also, I was reading some other forum where people were mentioning using cinnamon extract to make silver colloids. Anyone know anything about that? ... Trisodium citrate supplier: http://www.alfa.com/en/gp100w.pgm?dsstk=36439 Silver nitrate facts and supplier: http://www.saltlakemetals.com/Silver_Nitrate_Solution.htm http://www.saltlakemetals.com/Solubility_Of_Silver_Nitrate.htm David
Re: CSBeck blood purifier
... I second that, Marshall... hundreds of gallons of EIS using reverse polarity, producing nothing but a high quality product. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 15:44 Subject: Re: CSBeck blood purifier Reversing polarity of the electrodes while making CS is an effective and widely used method of decreasing buildup of silver and oxides of silver on the electrodes. I have made thousands of gallons of CS, and I reverse every minute, on a two minute cycle. Reversing eliminates the dark oxides because the electrode which forms the oxide is exposed to monoatomic hydrogen during the next half cycle, and the hydrogen immediately reacts with the oxide reducing the silver oxide to silver. Also any silver powder that accumulates on an electrode, either by reduction of silver oxide, or by deposition of silver from the solution, goes back out on the next half cycle as well. The result is electrodes which stay amazingly clean and never need to be cleaned. I can typically make several thousand gallons of CS on a set of electrodes and have never ever had to clean them. Also I have never witnessed any silver oxide coming loose due to polarity switching. If any were to come loose it would be from the stirring of the water, not a polarity switch. Marshall On 10/10/2012 6:31 PM, D B wrote: The idea of reversing polarity during the manufacturing process is a very bad idea and obvious design flaw. Far better to select one electrode, and make a mark at the top with a pair of pliers, then simply connect it to positive one run , then negative the next, keeping note of dates you use the marked electrode with neg or pos current. The reason for this is that you will accrue a large amount of dark oxides which should not be disturbed during manufacturing. If they get into the sol (colloid) then the ions coming of the electrode will then stick to those chunks and your sol will bottom out much quicker, the particles also being less therapeutically beneficial as they will be getting so large to the point where they will just not be able to pass inside cell tissue and kill pathogens, also creating more possibility of argyria skin discolouration, though that can be lessened or even removed with selenium supplementation to chelate it from the skin I read. The regular changing of polarity will just push a load of muck into the distilled water and act as a magnet for the smaller groups of ions to stick to. With best wishes, Dave On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM, HARSHA GODAVARI h.godav...@shaw.ca wrote: I am considering using this to make colloidal silver. I like the idea of reversing polarity because it will slow down a build_up of CS near one electrode and both electrodes (hopefully) wear evenly. Also I have one of these around and it will save a bit for the time being :-) Are there any cons ( pros) to this notion. I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thank you. regards hg No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5322 - Release Date: 10/10/12
Re: CS Anti-Inflammatory Lemonade
Hi Bob: As I said previously, you can either substitute with D-Ribose (for energy production), or simply omit. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Bob Banever To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 19:57 Subject: RE: CS Anti-Inflammatory Lemonade I like all of the ingredients except stevia. Is there a substitute for that? Coconut sugar perhaps? Thanks. Bob -- From: david moskovits [mailto:dieseld...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS Anti-Inflammatory Lemonade 1 cup of fresh squeezed lemon juice: (4 -6 lemons) 4-6 cups of clean water (to taste) 1 tsp of ground turmeric 1 tsp of cinnamon Pinch of Himalayan salt pinch of cayenne pepper pinch of ginger pinch of basil 1/2 tsp of liquid stevia (or to taste) -- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:12:24 -0600 Subject: Re: CS Anti-Inflammatory Lemonade From: gooogleis...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com For internal? How much? Thanks, Jim On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Harold har...@telus.net wrote: My understanding about Citrus fruits acidity is; it is converted in the body to an Alkaline ash and should have no effect on leaching Calcium and Magnesium. Am enclosing an important recipe for treating inflammation which is very prevalent in most diseases. Harold Anti-Inflammatory Lemonade: 1 cup of fresh squeezed lemon juice: (4 -6 lemons) 4-6 cups of clean water (to taste) 1 tsp of ground turmeric 1 tsp of cinnamon Pinch of Himalayan salt 1/2 tsp of liquid stevia (or to taste) Optional: 1 tsp ground/fresh ginger
Re: CS Anti-inflammatory Lemonde
Greetings, Also, d-ribose can be substituted for Stevia; while not anti-inflammatory, it does help the ATP energy conversion process. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 16:54 Subject: Re: CS Anti-inflammatory Lemonde Sounds like what I make, only better? Lemon juice by the teaspoon, a day can prevent cancer, and kill cancer cells as well. Tel Tofflemire Herbalist www.quailwoodherbal.com -- From: Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: CS Anti-inflammatory Lemonde Hi Harold, This sounds great! Would xylitol work (for those who hate stevia)? Be well, Léna On May 29, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Harold wrote: Easy to make and good to take. Anti-Inflammatory Lemonade: 1 cup of fresh squeezed lemon juice: (4 -6 lemons) 4-6 cups of clean water (to taste) 1 tsp of ground turmeric 1 tsp of cinnamon Pinch of Himalayan salt 1/2 tsp of liquid stevia (or to taste) Optional: 1 tsp ground/fresh ginger Harold
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hi Ken: Beware of individuals claiming false expertise. First off, zappers were firsted tested by individuals such as Royal Rife and Nikola Tesla. These ideas were then eventually borrowed, with an attempt at a refinement, by individuals such as Bob Beck and Hulda Clark. Second, my experience is that the hulda clark type zapper is only marginally effective. However, for many individuals, marginally is enough to give the immune system enough support to recover. One of the problems with Hulda Clark type zappers is the actual waveform. Just like Royal Rife was working with very ineffective technology, most of the Hulda Clark zappers don't produce a true square wave form, which inhibits any potential effectiveness. A device such as the Godzilla is far more effective to treat localized conditions. When using one of the more technically correct and properly engineered zappers, the effectiveness is increased. However, as the saying goes, the pathogen is nothing and the bioterrain is everything. For severe chronic systemic infections, the best one can hope for using anti-pathogenic devices and substances is to help keep the bloodstream clean and support the immune system, and thus improve the body's own ability to address infections. As far as electrodes, use an extremely clean cloth moistened with a high grade sea salt solution. Being concerned about the adsorption of metals through such a cloth into the body is like worrying about a neighbor's candle when your house is burning down. I would be far more concerned about toxicity from the average air sample in metropolitan areas. BTW: One of the simpler ways to test the effectiveness of zappers is by contrasting before and after live blood analysis studies. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com To: SilverList silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 19:05 Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Hi Mike, Regarding Zappers, it sounds like you are talking about the devices that Hulda Clark popularized over the past 20 years or so (I first read her books in 1994 or so). Is that the case? I use a zapper occasionally if I get a bad cold or upper respiratory infection. But I have never heard of what you mentioned about the copper hand holds depositing copper ions into the skin (I covered them with 2 layers of paper towel), or other materials, depositing who knows what into the skin. Do you have a recommendation on a material that is safe to use with a Zapper? I have found the zapper to be extremely useful at times of viral or bacterial infection - it doesn't seem to cure the problem outright, but it definitely seems to have a positive effect (in my case, pain or congestion in the sinuses or throat is usually alleviated for a few hours after a zapping session). -Ken Ken, Zappers were proposed by Bob Beck and Hulda Clark. Beck claimed to be a physicist, and would have known that electrons cannot flow in an electrolyte. However, he claimed his Zapper could do just that and that it would cure all diseases. Here is a 1998 talk where Beck claims his Zapper will kill ALL pathogens and parasites, including HIV. He claims the blood circulates in the body in 9 or 10 seconds (5:00). This is false. It takes a minute or so. Note also that he uses stainless steel electrodes. Please see below for more information. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC7M_rhg2yU Clearly the device does not do what he claims. If it did, HIV would not exist, and we would not need antibiotics. Every hospital and clinic would be using them instead. That is obviously not true. Hulda Clark has a slightly different version and made much the same claims. However, she also claimed to have the ability to cure cancer. However, Hulda Clark died of cancer in 2009. From Wikipedia: Clark's claims and devices have been dismissed by authorities ranging from the US Federal Trade Commission and Food and Drug Administration to alternative medicine figures such as Andrew Weil asscientifically unfounded, bizarre,[3] and potentially fraudulent.[2] Clark died 3 September 2009 of multiple myeloma (a blood and bone cancer).[4][5][6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark Hulda's Zapper supposedly worked by shaking or vibrating a germ until it falls apart, like the famous Memorex commercial that shatters a wine glass. However, bacteria are not brittle like crystal, and there is no way any energy from a Zapper could reach them. The first problem is skin effect that causes high frequencies to travel on the outside of a body and not penetrate very deeply. The second problem is the energy in the harmonics falls off extremely rapidly, and there is negligible energy at the frequencies that might resonate with a bacterial cell.
Re: CSAlkalizing-Cleansing
Hi Melly: Humic/fulvic acid is a great combination, but alone is not usually enough to correct a moderate to serious imbalance in the body; not alone. I should note that I'm personally not the biggest fan of homeopathic formulations such as cell salts; I've simply never been able to get them to work. I prefer a more direct approach, as there are ways to actually measure the effects. Some of the finest salt-based therapies can get very expensive. Standard sea salts are great, but subnstances such as Quinton Sea Plasma, high quality bamboo salt, and Wright Salt. http://healthyfixx.com/showdown/2/himalayan-salt-vs-wright-salt For example, bamboo salt that has been roasted nine times is likely one of the purest and most potent salts on the planet. Not only are all of the necessary minerals present, but the salt has a negative ORP of between -300 and -500. This is an extraordinary amount of antioxidant power. However, it's my opinion that these higher quality salt therapies should be a third step in the process, in order to reduce the detox effect and get the most benefit of salt therapy, at a cellular level, or else they'll simply be used up nuetralizing acidic waste in the body. Adding green leafy nutrient-rich plants in-diet (at at least two cups per day), and balancing the body's electrolytes should ideally be done first, and this can be done far more affordably. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 22:52 Subject: CSAlkalizing-Cleansing Jason, Thank you so much for taking the time to write a nice outline and good info on what i should do to help my body get balanced. I will study the link you gave. I am not familiar with cell salt so i will have to research it too. I take humic-fulvic acid, can that take the place of sea minerals? I do take seaweeds once in a while and use sea salt. Again thanks. Melly
Re: CSAlkalizing-Cleansing
Hi Paul: Don't get me wrong: I use Himalayan salt as well, especially for a great sea mineral bath. Wright salt doesn't taste very salty; it doesn't work very well as a culinary salt, although it is a great therapeutic salt. Real Salt by Redmond Trading Company is a very clean award winning culinary salt that is excellent for cooking and as a therapeutic salt. Bamboo salt (9X roasted) is the best; it is very potent and powerful. When used in cooking, it is excellent. However, when used in water it is very sulphorous, and smells like rotten eggs (when used in soups and as a seasoning with food, one doesn't notice it). If used alone as for therapeutic purposes, it's best to place it directly on the tongue, and then chase it with a glass of lemon water. Used in 1/4 teaspoon doses, it is a good supplement; used in 1/2 - 1 tsp. doses it can cause major detox reactions. In 1/4 tsp doses, it usually causes a 1/2 - 1 log increase in Ph within ten minutes, followed by a drop by 1.5x. Therefore, it is similiar to how baking soda works in the body, although the pH spikes with baking soda tend to be more severe. The increase in Ph is indicative of the alkalzing power of the salt, and the excess drop in pH is indicative of its cleansing power in stripping/eliminating acids. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Paul Steel To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 08:17 Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing-Cleansing Jason this is very interesting ad I am interested in changing my table salt from Himalayan to one of these salts. In your opinion what is the best of these salts?? Thanks Jason Paul Steel h 508.520.6905 c 508.922.0519 The harder you work the luckier you get! -- From: Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing-Cleansing Hi Melly: Humic/fulvic acid is a great combination, but alone is not usually enough to correct a moderate to serious imbalance in the body; not alone. I should note that I'm personally not the biggest fan of homeopathic formulations such as cell salts; I've simply never been able to get them to work. I prefer a more direct approach, as there are ways to actually measure the effects. Some of the finest salt-based therapies can get very expensive. Standard sea salts are great, but subnstances such as Quinton Sea Plasma, high quality bamboo salt, and Wright Salt. http://healthyfixx.com/showdown/2/himalayan-salt-vs-wright-salt For example, bamboo salt that has been roasted nine times is likely one of the purest and most potent salts on the planet. Not only are all of the necessary minerals present, but the salt has a negative ORP of between -300 and -500. This is an extraordinary amount of antioxidant power. However, it's my opinion that these higher quality salt therapies should be a third step in the process, in order to reduce the detox effect and get the most benefit of salt therapy, at a cellular level, or else they'll simply be used up nuetralizing acidic waste in the body. Adding green leafy nutrient-rich plants in-diet (at at least two cups per day), and balancing the body's electrolytes should ideally be done first, and this can be done far more affordably. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 22:52 Subject: CSAlkalizing-Cleansing Jason, Thank you so much for taking the time to write a nice outline and good info on what i should do to help my body get balanced. I will study the link you gave. I am not familiar with cell salt so i will have to research it too. I take humic-fulvic acid, can that take the place of sea minerals? I do take seaweeds once in a while and use sea salt. Again thanks. Melly
Re: CSLemon for Alkalizing
Hi Melly: First and foremost, the soft tissues of the body cannot be acidic. The alkaline minerals needed to balance biochemistry, in acidic tissue environments, are used up nuetralizing acidic waste. This greatly impacts the body's ability to adsorb nutrients at a cellular level. Since I spent so much money for testing, I obstained from mineral supplementation. I was testing the biochemical effects of excessive sulphur supplementation (MSM) and studying the effect of ozone therapy on my biochemistry. There are many factors that can influence the pH of soft tissues in the body. I list a few below: 1. Digestive failure - undigested foods, lack of HCL production in the stomach, lack of digestive enzymes, poor diet - Using a good quality edible clay and high quality natural probiotics to repair digestion greatly assists. 2. Free radical damage - Low cellular levels of antioxidants... Particularly, lack of production of glutathione at a cellular level, and fatty acid imbalance. Poor diet can be a big contributory factor. Supplementation with superfoods and the master antioxidants can greatly help, as well as making sure you get a balanced ratio of Omega 6 and Omega 3's in-body (a ratio of 4:1). 3. Systemic infections, including but not limited to Lyme Disease and Candida overgrowth (or any yeast/fungal infection). Many pathogenic organisms thrive in acidic environments, and in turn, produce even more acidic waste. 4. Toxicity - Severe toxicity can impair mitochondrial function, severly inhibiting the ATP production cycle. Mitochondrial failure can result in metabolic failure, where the muscles in the body have severe disfunction in energy conversion. The result can be a switch from aerobic to anaerobic metabolism, which results in the production of more lactic acid waste. Here's a basic introduction to soft tissue pH balancing: http://www.greenclays.com/earthcures/ph-connection-symphony-biochemistry-understanding-soft-tissue-ph-levels/ ..however, it is really one article in a series of articles, some of which haven't been written yet! The general basic idea is to first flush all of the acids out of the body that are in the circulatory system and lymphatic system. High quality water, and alkalizing whole foods, while starting to tackle the fundamental cause of imbalance (such as working on digestive system repair). Once this is done, the next step is to flush acidic waste from generally stored in-body and in-tissue (but generally speaking, extracellular). One can simply eat a great diet with plenty of great water, and let the body slowly cleanse, or one can use a substance such as MSM, which starts to flush acidic waste. The last step is intracellular work. One of the best ways is to use cell salt therapy, or any high quality sea mineral treatment. Again, not doing things in the proper order will result in only partial success, and often times, a whole world of herxing. Cell salt or sea mineral therapy is only cellularly effective when the soft tissue pH is very close to neutral, otherwise the alkaline minerals are spent nuetralizing the acidity. Other great ideas include things like systemic enzyme therapy. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 19:51 Subject: CSLemon for Alkalizing Jason, Thank you very much for disspelling the info about lemon leaching minerals. This makes me happy as i stay away from lemon juice out of fear of losing my minerals, Citrus and pineapple juice also lowers blood pressure, How do you keep your minerals balanced? Melly
Re: CSDrinking lemon juice to alkalize
Hi Melly: While taking adequate minerals is a very important part of health, I strongly disagree with that blanket statement, which is backed by opinion and not real science. In fact, the truth is that the alkalzing minerals IN lemon are primarily calcium, magnesium, and potassium. It actually stimulates the production of calcium carbonate in the body. I'm aware that some people out there are trying to teach this leaching idea, but it is not backed in common sense or science, and is obviously being taught by individuals with very little background in the scientific approach to biochemistry. For example, I actually have cellular and metabolic work done to monitor my electrolyte and mineral balance. I'm one of the few people who test at near perfect mineral balance levels. No mineral supplementation needed; only a reasonably healthy diet is required. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:50 Subject: CSDrinking lemon juice to alkalize For those drinking lemon juice to alkalize i hope you realize that for lemon to convert your ph, it leaches on your minerals like calcium and magnesium, so it would be best to take mineral supplement too. Melly
Re: CSDrinking lemon juice to alkalize
Hi Bob: Yes, usually I do use edible clay; I consider it a part of a reasonably healthy diet. :0) For my testing, however, I obstained from taking clay minerals for four to six months. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Bob Banever To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:53 Subject: RE: CSDrinking lemon juice to alkalize Jason, If you are testing well for mineral and electrolyte balance then you must be consuming edible clay. J -- From: Jason R Eaton [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDrinking lemon juice to alkalize Hi Melly: While taking adequate minerals is a very important part of health, I strongly disagree with that blanket statement, which is backed by opinion and not real science. In fact, the truth is that the alkalzing minerals IN lemon are primarily calcium, magnesium, and potassium. It actually stimulates the production of calcium carbonate in the body. I'm aware that some people out there are trying to teach this leaching idea, but it is not backed in common sense or science, and is obviously being taught by individuals with very little background in the scientific approach to biochemistry. For example, I actually have cellular and metabolic work done to monitor my electrolyte and mineral balance. I'm one of the few people who test at near perfect mineral balance levels. No mineral supplementation needed; only a reasonably healthy diet is required. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:50 Subject: CSDrinking lemon juice to alkalize For those drinking lemon juice to alkalize i hope you realize that for lemon to convert your ph, it leaches on your minerals like calcium and magnesium, so it would be best to take mineral supplement too. Melly
Re: CSColloidal Silver Enema?
Hi Art: You are correct. Since few people take the time to understand exactly how oxidative therapies work in-body, they often neglect the counterbalancing agent. I have done pretty extensive research in this area, as those who need oxidation therapy the most often cannot tolerate it. When dealing with activated oxygen (in forms O3 / O1), the best results are achieved when healthy cells have full antioxidant capabilities intact, with elimination channles clear, and electrolyes in-body properly balanced. http://www.silvermedicine.org/ozone-sauna-rashes.html Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: art rambo To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 20:47 Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver Enema? What most people never discuss with o2 therapies is, that you can tip the oxidative balance by overdoing o2, so you need to focus on much antioxidants to counter the extra o2. You can do like Bill Munro, and then also dose each hour with h202, and get positive results I think. CS would be a bonus.
Re: CSbrain a barrier?
Greetings, According to Becker's work contrasted with Bart Flick's work contrasted with Steven Quinto's work, the following statement can be made: With the right amount of current (extremely small amount), silver ions delivered by this current can cause cancer cells to dedifferentiate, and thus return to a pre-cancerous state. However, Becker refuted this claim; based on his work, it is clear that the RIGHT amount of current must be used. Stephen Quinto followed up and studied the effect that silver ions had on human cancer cells, and found that the silver ion has the capability to destroy cancer cells. His lab studies were never published, but they were very interesting. However, I do not view silver as a primary treatment modality for cancer, as the silver ion must reach the cancer, and with cancer/tumors in the body, if you're not a surgeon, getting that task done guaranteed is not easy. ~Jason From: slickpic...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 16:04 Subject: Re: CSbrain a barrier? What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. So those who nebulize CS are increasing their chances of lung cancer? Terry mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier? Informed person says it does. I witnessed someone putting a poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area. If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even cancerous. I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore. Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean. So I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this seems totally frightening. What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. Sorry if this has been covered, I looked at the archives but didnt find anything thanks mg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArgyria
Hi all: ...with a silver product of 3600 PPM and a claim that such a product cannot cause argyria (which is not true), he has opened himself up to a whole host of problems, sadly, especially since he claims that it is impossible to get argyria with his product. On his website under lab reports, he says Impossible to get argyria. I don't know anybody credible that would testify that it is impossible to get argyria with a 3600 PPM product. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 14:58 Subject: Re: CSArgyria She has actually sued already? He himself could also himself present the evidence of doses of EIS that don't cause argyria, and then note how the recommended use on his product falls way below that. The EPA study and the Indian diet of silver foil on sweets are the two relevant things. Also, he could argue that since argyria develops gradually, why did she not stop much sooner when she first noticed the argyria. Maybe that doctor could testify? Hopefully he knows enough to show that argyria caused historically by other types of silver does not apply to EIS, as would certainly come up in the case. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: I just had a call from Russell, who owns Neutrasilver. He has some lady who apparently painted her body with silver and exposed herself to the sun on purpose to try and get argyria, telling one of her doctors that she is going to be a millionaire after the lawsuit. He is looking for someone who knows what the heck they are talking about, and will not prostitute themselves out to the FDA or anyone else for money who can testify in his behalf. Anyway, if anyone on this list has the credentials to testify, or knows someone who does, that is willing to tell the truth, let me know. I was thinking of maybe Brooks Bradley, but don't know how to locate him. Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: argyria.
Hi David: Agreed. It's really sad to see people even attempting such a thing as purposefully trying to enduce harm for the sake of a lawsuit, but with information such as is presenting on the nutrasilver website, it is nearly an invitation for trouble. I actually get about two requests a year to testify against silver companies (they are always companies mis-representing highly concentrated silver products) from lawyer firms. I never know what happens with potential cases, because I have no interest in involving myself in civil cases, and although I doubt there are many individuals out there that know more about argyria, I don't consider myself a qualified expert at any rate. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 19:06 Subject: CSRe: argyria. http://www.nutrasilver.com/ At 3,600 PPM, NutraSilver® is unlike store-bought or home-made colloidal silver. First thing to know is, has she actually got argyria? And if its as you described wouldn't that just get thrown out of court? Its clearly a case of deliberate self harm. Like jumping in front of a car to claim the insurance, although, its probably stupid to say this on his website... Impossible to get argyria (turning blue) and this An Estimated 10 Million Americans Consume Colloidal Silver Daily Sounds like he's a bit loose with his facts to me. David From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com Date: 3 December 2011 9:11:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSArgyria I just had a call from Russell, who owns Neutrasilver. He has some lady who apparently painted her body with silver and exposed herself to the sun on purpose to try and get argyria, telling one of her doctors that she is going to be a millionaire after the lawsuit. He is looking for someone who knows what the heck they are talking about, and will not prostitute themselves out to the FDA or anyone else for money who can testify in his behalf. Anyway, if anyone on this list has the credentials to testify, or knows someone who does, that is willing to tell the truth, let me know. I was thinking of maybe Brooks Bradley, but don't know how to locate him. Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheapest source for Argentyn 23 please
Hi David: Argentyn 23 only comes in max 16 ounce bottles. The most affordable source I've seen is Pure Formulas http://pureformulas.com/argentyn-23-16-fl-oz-480-ml-no-dropper-by-allergy-research-group.html?CAWELAID=684965621 Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:19 Subject: CScheapest source for Argentyn 23 please I don't see this being sold by the gallon, which is frustrating. Anyone have a link for this? It is not for me. Please no comments about just making it myself. David
Re: CSElectromedicine
Hi David: I have a rebuilder; I bought it before they received their approval, so the price was much more affordable. :o) It is an excellent device, and certainly works well for injuries and nueropathy. I was suprised to find that it is is perfect to use with referred pain; possibly even phantom pain. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 18:15 Subject: Re: CSElectromedicine Here is the article I wrote on nerve damage and spinal cord injury treatment options. It contains everything I know (or don't know) about the ReBuilder, and a lot more: http://scientificliving.net/2010/11/20-natural-ways-to-heal-nerve-damage-and-spinal-cord-injuries/ I had been compiling all this for my dad who has a chronic spinal cord injury and is so skeptical it makes one feel sick. Even he has agreed to try some of this stuff in the future after getting berated by me over the course of months for his close mindedness / stinginess. I kept telling him to either try this stuff or stop complaining you wish there was something that can be done. Some of these can be generically classified as stem cell boosters. I have been meaning to pull all out those out of this webpage and make a page just about stem cell boosters. I think many supplements that we don't formally recognize as stem cell boosters in part work that way. I think it is a mechanism of action that is really only starting to be talked about. The CEO of Rebuilder Medical has a long comment at the end. He says he actually worked with Dr. Becker interestingly enough. There are actually a lot of cheap supplements on this list that I would try all at once for nerve damage and spinal cord injury. Some other cheap options too such as simply putting some wooden blocks under the head of your head to incline your bed at night has improved I think 3 cases of chronic SCI's. Liposomal colostrum is cheap in bulk powder (not capsules) and is very promising for any injury I think. The Director of that company posted a comment saying his product cured a case of spina bifida, a very serious birth defect! Ordinary colostrum also improved one chronic SCI. I have some other things in my notes I still have not added to this page such as IR therapies and a couple other supplements I can't remember right now. Nothing can be done for nerve damage and spinal cord injury?...That is BS. David On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM, gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David. Does the ReBulider only work on nerves, do you know? It sounds much like the SCIO machine a friend of mine has, only hers works on just about everything--in real time, sending back a balancing signal to what it has detected as being unbalanced in the body. But that machine is SUPER expensive! Samala, Renee
Re: CSA case report of fungal issues caused by EIS
Hi Janet: Furthermore, the individual reported ***prior*** problems with toenail fungus, which is usually an indication of a pre-existing issue, often having to do with a systemic insult of some sort. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Garnet To: Silver List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 20:25 Subject: Re: CSA case report of fungal issues caused by EIS In my way of thinking and advising people as a Wellness Consultant at Austin's four holistic pharmacies, is to tell them that probiotics are always a healthy choice. That there are no documented cases of CS or EIS causing fungal dysbiosis. And few if any anecdotal reports. For one thing it would be extremely difficult to isolate a cause. But just thinking about it, this list would be rife with stories of candida dysbiosis following initial CS use. And it is not. To propagate a myth because one person out of literally hundreds of thousands believes it is true is very science, it is not conservative, it is simply unfounded belief lacking any proof, therefore IMHO it is best not to propagate such an unfounded belief in the mistaken cause of conservativism. To me it is a disservice unless there is an abundance of anecdotal evidence, and there is not, to even mention it. I only address the issue if asked. Janet R. Perry, MA Pharmacology Wellness Consultant Peoples Pharmacy Austin, TX Subject: Re: CSA case report of fungal issues caused by EIS From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:10:58 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Yes, all true...the yeast could have been related to something else. Though the person believes it was the CS. It is always better to be on the conervative side, so that when people ask about yeast and CS, I will say from now on that there has been 1 *possible* case of candida from the use of EIS. Though it wasnt clear if other things were the cause. And the dose was large. And there was no probiotic. Probiotic or not, this is the first time I have ever heard it claimed, so it should be noted by the members of this forum for completeness sake. David
Re: CS44 PPM
Greetings, For small batches, I personally like the Silver Puppy; especially the electrode configuration. For large batches, I like the Silvergen SG-7. There are other decent units out there, but they get very pricey with little extra--if any-- additional benefit. ~Jason - Original Message - From: ATOMICSILVER To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 09:42 Subject: Re: CS44 PPM Hi Jason, what is the best generator in your opinion , many thanks On 22/09/2011, at 17:43, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Alan: It's the age old arguement. Frank says that the reason people experience good results with a good quality home brew is the particulate content. The counter-arguement is that the reason people experience results with Mesosilver is its ionic content. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:29 Subject: Re: CS44 PPM I wonder if Frank has changed his mind about this? I was scanning his web site and he seems to be saying that ingesting ionic silver is useless. All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body because of the readily available supply of chloride ions in many different forms. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html Alan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I'm baffled by the comments. As I stated, Frank Key has stated clearly on the Silver List, he recognizes the efficacy of the EIS that most members make. That's a matter of record; it's in the archives.I don't understand the need to attack him here in this manner. -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com www.atomicsilver.info
Re: CS[List Owner] Whew!
Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to see an qualified MD. Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive. One cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why. I'm all for methods to improve EIS. I'd be working on them myself, only I haven't ever had the need.The stuff we make works extremely well, and always works for the things I believe it WILL work for. So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 08:05 Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks,
Re: CS[List Owner] Whew!
Hi Dan: I've always taught people to pay extra careful attention to keeping electrodes in good shape. I don't think using any type of chemical solution is anywhere near as effective as a bit of old fashioned elbow grease and non-reactive abbrasive. And the problem with using any dipping or chemical solution to cleanse the silver rods is that no matter how hard you try, you are still going to get uneven wear on the silver ( even if you at first can't see it with the naked eye). That means, that nothing short of polishing will return silver electsrodes to their most ideal state for brewing. And it does make a very big difference in quality. That's my one problem with the SG-7; it's difficult to properly clean the electrodes; a bit of an art form, but with practice, it gets easier. I know there are alot of people who think that cleaning electrodes is not necessary, but I can easily demonstrate the difference between batches done with pristine electrodes, and ones that aren't. Oh, and don't forget to add Ivan to the list; not sure what ever became of his laboratory grade CS generator project, but I also learned alot from his creative exploits. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:42 Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Whew! You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to see an qualified MD. Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive. One cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why. I'm all for methods to improve EIS. I'd be working on them myself, only I haven't ever had the need. The stuff we make works extremely well, and always works for the things I believe it WILL work for. So
Re: CS44 PPM
Greetings, EIS starts to become effective at roughly 3 PPM. Since Mesosilver is about 80% particulate and 20% ionic it has around 4 PPM ionic content. BTW, the 'arguement' is not mine, it was where Frank pretty much left the debate. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Bob Banever To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 18:47 Subject: Re: CS44 PPM Neville, But since the ionic content of Mesosilver is almost nonexistant how can the results be attributed to it's ionic content? Particle silver perhaps becomes ionic in the presence of stomach acid? Bob - Original Message - From: Neville Munn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: RE: CS44 PPM Apologies, I did lose something in translation. I misread it. I read that several times, and only AFTER posting did I get it. The suggestion is that it's NOT the particle content in Mesosilver, but rather the ION content that gets results. Sorry, as you were. N. From: one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS44 PPM Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:22:54 +1030 Unless I've misread something, all the advertising I've read regarding Mesosilver is that it purports to be high in *particulate* content? Have I lost something in translation? N. From: ja...@eytonsearth.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS44 PPM Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:43:02 -0700 Hi Alan: It's the age old arguement. Frank says that the reason people experience good results with a good quality home brew is the particulate content. The counter-arguement is that the reason people experience results with Mesosilver is its ionic content. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:29 Subject: Re: CS44 PPM I wonder if Frank has changed his mind about this? I was scanning his web site and he seems to be saying that ingesting ionic silver is useless. All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body because of the readily available supply of chloride ions in many different forms. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html Alan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I'm baffled by the comments. As I stated, Frank Key has stated clearly on the Silver List, he recognizes the efficacy of the EIS that most members make. That's a matter of record; it's in the archives.I don't understand the need to attack him here in this manner. -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CS44 PPM
Hi Alan: It's the age old arguement. Frank says that the reason people experience good results with a good quality home brew is the particulate content. The counter-arguement is that the reason people experience results with Mesosilver is its ionic content. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:29 Subject: Re: CS44 PPM I wonder if Frank has changed his mind about this? I was scanning his web site and he seems to be saying that ingesting ionic silver is useless. All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body because of the readily available supply of chloride ions in many different forms. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html Alan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I'm baffled by the comments. As I stated, Frank Key has stated clearly on the Silver List, he recognizes the efficacy of the EIS that most members make. That's a matter of record; it's in the archives.I don't understand the need to attack him here in this manner. -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSEMs
Hi Gayla: It doesn't quite work that way! The mother culture is a combination of many different types of microbes. The phototropic organisms, for example, feed off of the yeast as it dies. The first activation really wakes everything up; but once the first activation occurs, there is no way to keep the microbial balance in check for addidtional extensions. The microbe I'm most interested in: The phototropic organisms. In order to keep them alive to do their work, the proper balance between aerobic and anaerobic organisms needs to be maintained. Keep in mind that for many common uses, the ideal dilution of EM to water for most purposes is 1:100. Even for soil purposes the dilution is 1:10. So, even if you purchase one liter of EM mother culture, and don't create an extension, you can still make 10 - 100 liters of useful product. Kind Regards, Jason _ - Original Message - From: Gayla Roberts aera...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 07:32 Subject: Re: CSEMs I wonder why they say one time only to brew? If the micro-organisms are there, they should be able to replicate indefinitely, no? Gayla - Original Message - From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:26 PM Subject: RE: CSEMs Thanks again. Maybe I'll start off with the formula designed for human consumption first and see how that works out. PT -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSEMs You're welcome. I've consumed EM1 without any negative reaction. I found it calming, something reported with farm animals. I don't consume it regularly, however. Vinny Pinto's site has quite a lot of human consumption of EM and similar formulations, and there are probably many useful anecdotes there. He also sells a book about making EM brews. For the average person, the instructions for making EM1 on the TeraGanix site are sufficient to make the simple EM1 brew that I was introduced to by the wife of a biologist at a local university. Again, though, that is strictly off-label use. Only chickens, cows, and pigs are supposed to have EM1 in their food and drink. On 2011/09/19, at 8:39, PTFerrance wrote: Thanks, Jonathan. I did check it. But with everything that is written on websites that isn't always substantiated I like finding out things from friends like on the list. People who have used it first hand. PT -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSEMs I noticed that the site Jason links sells a probiotic for human consumption. If you check that, you may fine the information you want. On 2011/09/19, at 0:54, PTFerrance wrote: Would those of you who use the EM products please write about your experiences? How much do you use if you take it internally and what benefits have you experienced? It has been written about extending/activating this but I have not figured out how this would be used in a typical, non-agricultural household. I would appreciate some guidance and I'm sure others would also. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Jason R Eaton [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Hi hg: ...could have been a typo. It's TeraGanix: http://www.teraganix.com/ Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 09:51 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Bob Banever wrote: Thanks Jonathan. Bob Hi: Could you post a URL , where Dr. Higa's products are available in North America. BTW when I searched for Tara Gamix, Google came up with, Tera Gamix Regards hg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3905 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3905
Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Hi hg: ...could have been a typo. It's TeraGanix: http://www.teraganix.com/ Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 09:51 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Bob Banever wrote: Thanks Jonathan. Bob Hi: Could you post a URL , where Dr. Higa's products are available in North America. BTW when I searched for Tara Gamix, Google came up with, Tera Gamix Regards hg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEMs
Hi PT: Potential therapeutic applications of EM are not widely known. I know that work has been done in Japan, but I'm not aware of any English translations. I personally don't recommend-- offhand-- individuals use EM's internally unless they have a specific reason to do so. I personally often mix a very small amount of mother culture or activated EM with my therapeutic clay for digestion. However, for those individuals who have extreme digestive disorders, and have found no relief with any other therapy, EM use internally may be a God send, with long term use. The biggest problem is finding the right dose. I know one individual who had been hospitalized on numerous occasions, with chronic and multiple bowel disorders; the individual was pencil thin, and could not put on weight. EM supplementation, along with a few dietary changes, turned him around in about a month and a half. I won't say that he was completely restored at that time, but his digestion improved dramatically and he started steadily putting on weight. Those individuals who are extremely chemically sensitive may also find a very good friend in EMs. People have found really good benefit when spraying the entire environment a few times per week. You don't spray enough to soak anything, you just lightly mist the area. EM is amazing for sick house syndrome. EM ceramics can be mixed with any common paint for home projects. A very light solution of EM (a small amount of EM added to a full spray bottle) can be used to help cleanse/decontaminate carpet, furniture, etc. For those with central air, spraying new filters with EM is excellent for air quality. Kind Regards, Jason From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 08:54 Subject: RE: CSEMs Would those of you who use the EM products please write about your experiences? How much do you use if you take it internally and what benefits have you experienced? It has been written about extending/activating this but I have not figured out how this would be used in a typical, non-agricultural household. I would appreciate some guidance and I'm sure others would also. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Jason R Eaton [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Hi hg: ...could have been a typo. It's TeraGanix: http://www.teraganix.com/ Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 09:51 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Bob Banever wrote: Thanks Jonathan. Bob Hi: Could you post a URL , where Dr. Higa's products are available in North America. BTW when I searched for Tara Gamix, Google came up with, Tera Gamix Regards hg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11
Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Greetings, all:
Actually, the term is Effective Microorganisms. The company in the United
States that is now distributing this quite amazing product is Teraganix:
http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm
Dr. Higa's book, An Earth Saving Revolution is a very, very fascinating
read.
Dr. Higa's microbial forumation uses sevearl more common organisms to
support the sustained existance of phototropic organisms, amazing little
critters that cannot exist in an oxygen-rich environment, but are
extraordinarily efficient at processing-- what to us-- is toxic waste
material, and producing waste-- that to our environment-- is life
sustaining.
One of the most enjoyable experiments I've done is proving that these
organisms actually do exist in the retail product. When cultivated
properly, they are the most amazing purple colored organisms.
Best Regards,
Jason
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From: anthony.aqui...@sasktel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:47
Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
I think its Essential Microorganisms. Someone please correct if wrong.
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-Original Message-
From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:40:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
What does EM mean?
Thanks.
PT
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Some members, particularly Brooks Bradley, are familiar with the Essential
Microorganisms (EM) of Terao Higa, PhD. The proprietor of a local EM
shop
told me today that volunteers in Fukushima area are experimenting with EM
on
contaminated crops. He said blueberries went from 20,000 becquerels down
to
5,000, a 75% drop. I don't know the details.
He also said people volunteering in that area are suffering from throat
problems, which I took to be due to radiation, but am not sure. If I get
more details I'll pass them along.Incidentally, these volunteers
consume
EM themselves.
Incidentally, most of the news in the corporate press regarding this
disaster is, to put it mildly, inadequate. There have been at least three
melt-downs and apparently a total melt-through in at least in one
instance;
some experts fear that radiation is actually moving down through the earth
toward groundwater. Given the sugar-coating in the mainstream news to
date, this is certainly possible. Japanese people are deeply skeptical
of
government reports, and I think some major changes are ahead for Japan,
but
that's all off-topic.
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Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Hi Jonathan: Just so you know, scdprobiotics.com is NOT affiliated with EMRO Japan. The only authorized distributors for EM products are listed on their global parters project: http://www.emrojapan.com:9000/examples/global-cases/north-and-south-america/unitedstatesofamerica.html The primary distributor of retail products is Tera Ganix, Inc. The products marketed by Sustainable Community Development Probiotics may be closely related to EM, based on Matthew Wood's original work with Dr. Higa, but they are not the same. If you look closely at their website, they can only market products that are ...A functionally similar product to EM Farming and EM-1. I'm sure that they probably carry good products that are effective, but if people want the original Dr. Higa organisms, one must purchase from Tera Ganix, Inc., or one of THEIR smaller distributors. Besides, it's much cheaper. The only authorized manufacturing plant in the United States is in Tucson, Arizona. The plant is official run by EMRO USA Effective Microorganisms. Terag Ganix, Inc. was set up to be the retail and wholesale distributor for North America. http://www.emrousa.com/about.html So for those who want to support Dr. Higa's direct vision, you'll save money by purchasing from Tera Ganix, plus you'll be supporting Dr. Higa's global organization. You'll notice that on the website: :EMRO USA is a wholly-owned subsidiary of EM Research Organization (EMRO) of Okinawa, Japan. EMRO holds the universal or global rights, trademarks and patents or patents pending on the technology of EM, Effective Microorganisms, the EM logo, and its broad range of EM products and their manufacturing know-how or processing licenses throughout the world. If you hadn't noticed, I'm a big fan. :o) I have all of Higa's English translations, and have worked through Vinny's book on EM's. I hope you'll keep us up to date on any further information you get on EM's and the restoration of radiation contaminated soils there in Japan! Kind Regards, Jason From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 15:40 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Apologies: Jason got it right: Effective it is. Here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Saving-Revolution-Effective-Microorganisms/dp/B000UKUCLM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1316298904sr=8-1 The translation is superb. Here's a link to SCD: http://www.scdprobiotics.com/ I have not purchased anything from them but had a good impression when they started out. Still do: http://www.scdprobiotics.com/About_the_Founder_s/22.htm If SCD has English information about the Fukushima work, that would be the best source. I haven't checked. On 2011/09/18, at 7:25, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: The name that Terao Higa coined is Essential Microorganisms. The company that marketed the original formula in the USA is called Sustainable Community Development Probiotics. The founder trained with Higa. Other companies have copied Higa's work. So far as I know, none of them have the same vision. Higa's book really is amazing and is essential reading. He really believes that EM is an earth-saving revolution. His volunteer work in the radiation-stricken areas is evidence of that. On 2011/09/17, at 23:47, Jason R Eaton wrote: Greetings, all: Actually, the term is Effective Microorganisms. The company in the United States that is now distributing this quite amazing product is Teraganix: http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm Dr. Higa's book, An Earth Saving Revolution is a very, very fascinating read. Dr. Higa's microbial forumation uses sevearl more common organisms to support the sustained existance of phototropic organisms, amazing little critters that cannot exist in an oxygen-rich environment, but are extraordinarily efficient at processing-- what to us-- is toxic waste material, and producing waste-- that to our environment-- is life sustaining. One of the most enjoyable experiments I've done is proving that these organisms actually do exist in the retail product. When cultivated properly, they are the most amazing purple colored organisms. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: anthony.aqui...@sasktel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:47 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima I think its Essential Microorganisms. Someone please correct if wrong. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:40:21 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSBioremediation at Fukushima What does EM mean? Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Re: [SPAM] Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Hi Jonathan: You're very welcome. Some years ago (2001 actually, according to the SCD website) there was some controversy or political problem (I'm not privy to the details), that caused a reorganization of Higa's work in the U.S. That's a great tip about the PET bottles; what I usually do is transfer my activated EM brew into numerous very small bottles. Your way sounds better! Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 18:35 Subject: [SPAM] Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Jason, Thanks for all this invaluable information. I did not know that Tara Ganix is an official distributor. If I were buying in the USA, I definitely would buy from them in order to support Dr. Higa's work. I thought that SCD intended to carry official EM products -- and did at one time, I think -- but I guess the company has gone off in a new direction. I've found EM1 extension very easy to make, and found that if air is squeezed out of the PET bottle, it can be stored for years without going off. I have no experience with any competing products, but can recommend Dr. Higa's mixture. Best, JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcentrating EIS
Hi David: I haven't had a need to try to concentrate EIS, but keep in mind that the silver in solution doesn't turn brown, it's only light refraction. The problem with concentrating EIS, is that you have to deal with agglomeration, which defeats the purpose of creating a highly oligodynamic product. In my opinion, that is the entire purpose of working with EIS. When particles are too large (being a relative term), and you add hydrogen peroxide, rather than atomizing the silver particles, an oxide forms (contrary to some fancy opinions, it's easy to demonstrate), and the particles fall out of solution. If you set aside your container for a week or so, you'll notice a thin or thick coating of greyish silver at the bottom of the container. Depending upon the quality, concentration, and amount of H2O2 used, the silver that remains with and in the solution will be a pretty good product. If you start off with a quality product, you can even use H2O2 to create a completely ionic solution, with no tyndal. This is one of the problems I use to quality check my own batches. If I add hydrogen peroxide to a fresh batch of EIS, and the solution turns dark, it indicates a lower quality end product, even though you can return the solution to clear with the use of H2O2. This is usually due to problems with electrode degredation (or in some cases, electrodes being too close, or batches being run to long, water not being pure enough, etc. etc.). Contrary to Frank's opinion on the use of TEM to study silver-based products, his opinion is not shared by anyone else in the scientific community (again, this is not my opinion, but the opinion of the scientific community at large). While it is true that TEM has limitations (which Frank is quick to point out), the tool isn't used to definatively characterize attributes. It's main advantage is in comparative analysis. And what TEM can demonstrate through comparative analysis, is an attribute that has been proven to be very important in electrically isolated silver products: particle dispersion. While TEM's revelation of particle dispersion may not be definative due to the process of drying a solution in order to photograph it, it has a direct correspondence to the direct antimicrobial power of any given EIS product. The greater the particle dispersion, the greater the greater the antimicrobial power of a given product is... and you cannot get great particle dispersion with a solution filled with larger particles. So while there are those who use highly concentrated products, from a few hundred parts per million to a few thousand parts per million, and while it is true that in those high concentrations, the direct antimicrobial power of the product is impressive, once you equalize the concentrations, the performance is dismal. I've long been told by users of other CS products that our brew is far superior to anything they'd been using over the years. I'm always quick to point out that there are products that are even better, but you can't get them for free (we don't sell silver, but we do give away alot). If you're looking for highly concentrated silver, I don't think EIS is the way to go. The higher concentration products I've attempted to make (upwards to around 50 PPM), are not as effective as the lower PPM high quality batches. Using a minute current over a longer period of time, like Mike M. suggests, may be the way to go... I mentioned this in an article I wrote (in passing), about this process somewhere around 2002-2003, because some people I've corresponded with-- individuals more on the fringe/esoteric side of things, have long believed that brewing silver for a week or more with an extremely small amount of current produces a very unique and useful product. Although most of the current experts I consulted with at the time believe that you can get a higher concentration of EIS, none of them believed it was possible to get a higher quality end product; one that was more effective. It's possible that Mike M. is correct, and that a high quality product can be produced at 40 uS using his simple process. That might be an ideal solution for the home brewer. Silver particles are NEVER stable in the presence of H2O2... that's the neat thing about using H2O2. I use peroxide testing strips to be certain that at least the majority of reactive H2O2 is gone from the EIS before letting anyone use it; otherwise, one needs to disclose that there is active H2O2 in solution, although when needed, I don't hesitate to use EIS with a bit of H2O2 still active. I still believe that the risk of argyria is dose dependent, and that the most relevent factor is the actual amount of silver in the product. I also believe that when you add an acid to the equation, that risk increases at least slightly, due to increased adsorption into tissues. Using a high PPM silver stabilized with acids intranasally is
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
Hi David: I doubt there would be any need for the MD to recommend to stop the nebulizer treatment of H2O2. One day cessation of H2O2 would certainly be plenty of time for to avoid any h2O2 reaction in-lungs with silver. However, I know nothing about the use of silver citrate in-lungs. One of the things I like about using a quality EIS product, is that a good product is very close to a neutral pH. Certainly at first thought, I'm not a big fan of dumping acids into the lungs, although I do understand that there are those who believe that citrates in general have an increased adsorbtion rate in the body. For the sake of interested parties, you should share with the group the concentration the MD has this individual on with the H2O2 nebulization protocol. I would imagine that the concentration used for someone with lung cancer would be different than someone without it. If memory serves correctly, the ideal concentration of activated oxygen in-lungs for lung cancer is about 0.5 PPM. If the MD is not aware of the research done with Pycnogel (a pine bark extract) and lung cancer, then maybe you can spend some time doing some research. There's been some very promising clinical medical research done, as well as some very impressive experiences by those with lung cancer. Since silver can be delivered directly into the lungs without very many titration issues, you may wish to at least consider an alternative approach. If you read Dr. Robert O Becker's work with silver ions, Our Body Electric, you'll note that he pretty conclusively demonstrated that isolated silver ions, in combination with a minute amount of current, had a dramatic effect on cancerous cells. I do not believe that anyone has demonstrated a similiar effect with silver compounds (perhaps nobody has ever tried). If the medical doctor wishes to explore alternative possibilities, I know that unpublished research has been done...in vitro... studying the direct effect of a high quality electrically isolated silver on human cancer cells. While, to my knowledge, there has been little or no work done trying to translate this into an actual feasible treatment protocol, via MD to MD communication, some of these medical researchers may be available for at least a consultation. If the MD is interested in exploring the issue further, please email me off list, and I'll get him in contact with some people, although the preferred contact has been out of the country for the last year or so. P.S.: The old adage: Beware of a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing, seems to be applicable of late. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 21:47 Subject: Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? Thank you Mike for you sincere comments, and they provide more objectivity for me. I actually make these suggestions to his integrative MD, and he makes the decisions. He routinely prescribes nebulized peroxide, which is why he is taking it. I personally wouldn't want to give him both at once, and am probing as whether or not I would really have to suggest to the doctor to stop the peroxide which he prescribed. Actually the patient is doing much better off with his alternative treatment than had he not. And it is not clear he is destined to leave this world, though he may. I recently saw an elderly loved one who was weeks from death achieve complete remission. He had a large colon tumor, blood loss, several large metastases in the liver, and he couldn't sit up on his own. ~David On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Mike Monett armor@gishpuppy.com wrote: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone do nebulized silver and peroxide on alternating days? I have an elderly person with lung cancer, diabetes, and mild parkinsons. He is already doing nebulized peroxide. I want to give him nebulized silver 100 (100ppm potassium silver citrate). No chemical reactions between residual silver and peroxide going to cause a problem, don't you think?
Re: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Hi Mike: After three emails of personal insults from Mike, long before the nebulizer issue, I simply got tired of the escalating language. If you start with this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142456.html ...and follow it from there, I'm sure you'll see what I mean. There are things that some people say that need to be challenged, for the betterment of all, and I believe I did it in a very respectful and civil way, especially since nobody else seemed to pay much attention. That third set of insults and I'd had enough. Even then, I think my email was very responsible. If I can't tell someone in a stern polite voice that I don't appreciate being personally insulted, and that I'm done with the situation, I'm not sure what you'd expect me to do. If you look at the comments he made to Jonathan and David, they are not only equally unjustified, but very bullying. I don't like bullies, and I don't tolerate bullying, even when the school principal isn't looking. Please take a few moments and review Mike's posts for the last two days. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 15:31 Subject: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others... Greetings folks! Long time since I've had to wade into the list on this kind of mission! Thank you for that fact, and to the several members who gave me the heads-up so promptly. In catching up with the messages I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see the first intemperate remarks coming from Jason, of all people, in his too-vigorous rebuttal of Mike Monett's speculations about possible hazards of nebulizing CS. (Jason, if by chance the order of things in my mail program distorted the sequence of events and you feel there was some other provocation besides his nebulizing assertion, feel free to let me know.) I tend to agree that nebulizing has an excellent track record, and that Mike's statements were an example of unwarranted certituded by logic rather than empirical evidence: Much clinical AND anecdotal experience plus known information about the actual solubility of the supposedly insoluble silver compounds involved, lead me to doubt Mike's assertions. Here's the problem when folks with a lot of training, experience, and/or expertise with overlapping but not congruent competencies start stepping into each others' areas of interest and on each others' toes: The next thing you know we've got external genital appendages wagging around and egos engaged, and all progress goes out the window! Stop it! Now, Mike, I want to address you specifically: I think your specifications for the device are wonderfully crafted and your intention of releasing it to the public domain and seeking its widespread use by the neediest are an exquisite example of the merging of responsible engineering and activism. Thank you, it's a good plan. But keep in mind that the universe and the powers that be will be more than happy to sabotage such humane intentions and the first place it will try to do this is within you... Want to collaborate successfully with folks from this group? Use our forum to help promote your project? Great! You're welcome. DON'T, however, let yourself succumb to the temptation to engage with both fists the moment somebody steps on your toes. People WILL disagree on things, including things you hold dear. Let them. The truth will carry the day, for or against your ideas. That's as it should be. Your nastiness to David A. was uncalled for and unprovoked. He's well within the charter of the group, and you're not the referee of what's appropriate, nor are you in a competent position to judge the circumstances he is dealing with. Be supportive or leave it be. Jonathan effectively raised the same reasonable questions about nebulizing peroxide that you are concerned with -- without the ad- hominem that sabotages your credibility and effectiveness. Take his example to heart. All right, I used all the big words I could think of, just to make sure all you experts could 'grok' what I'm saying. grin Let's see if we can actually stay on target and stop chaos from winning, just this once, okay? Peace, Mike D. List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
Hi David: Understood. Like I said, I can't offer an educated opinion on the +potassium silver citrate, but I would be interested to know how it works out. Like most companies marketing silver compounds, I don't trust them as I review their information. Statements like this: There really is no ppm that is best. Lower ppm is not safer and higher ppm is not more effective. ...cause me to stop reading. Argyria is dosage dependent. The actual amount of silver is the most important consideration when evaluating the risk for argyria. If one doesn't want to take the extensive time it requires to research argyria cases, and their causes, then at least one should offer fair warning to users that by using a highly concentrated silver product, they are at increased risk for cosmetic argyria. Some of the most infamous cases of argyria are from Water Oz, where the founder and staff swore up and down that there product produced no risk of argyria. They claimed their product was angstrom-sized silver, but it was a silver citrate. For someone with massive health issues, fighting for their life, I doubt the individual would be that concerned about some skin discoloration, but I always strongly believe in a term popularized by The WHO at the geneva convention after World War II... The idea of informed consent. Regarding reference #1: Every medical experiment that I'm aware of regarding Ag4O4 was done with Tetrasil before it dissapeared off the market (not the topical tetrasil). Best of luck with the aggressive protocols. Regarding H2O2: Thanks for this information. Individuals commonly use 1.5% H2O2 for nebulization, and I have always thought that for ***some*** individuals, that concentration may be a little high. Starting off with a concentration of 0.0375% may be a very prudent and safe way for individuals to introduce themselves to this type of therapy. To note, for systemic issues, an individual may have to work their way up to higher concentrations but I wouldn't even make a suggestion for increased concentration to a lung cancer patient. I'm just glad to know that it is possible for a lung cancer patient to even attempt such a therapy. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 16:27 Subject: Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? Thanks Jason. So if you google silver 100, you get their site. They claim the potassium silver citrate (not silver citrate) produces a gradual release of free silver ions, which is why I am thinking about it over regular EIS. They claim it has a much higher ability to disassociate that regular EIS. There are some anecdotes on a lyme forum of sublingual silver 100 causing immediate herx even after oral EIS no longer does anything for them. I nebulized the stuff and got mold asthma for an hour. I have infected lungs (and everything) that are super resistant to treatment. Regular EIS produces no effect in me with nebulizer for example. It could have just been more the higher PPM than the freeing of silver ions, but I tend to believe the company. I am sure some chemists on this forum could shed some light in this. The evidence I have for silver in the use of cancer as follows: - In brazil a study had 30 out of 30 breast cancer remitted with one IV treatment of Ag4O4. - I've read about 15 anecdotes in humans and 10 in dogs of tumors dissappearing thought to be due to a silver supplement. - an animal study showed showed silver nanoparticles have an anticancer effect - silver nanoparticles are known to target cancer. - in vitro studies show EIS kills breast cancer. And I think I have seen I am hedging the risk and thinking about using both sublingual/oral silver 100, nebulized silver 100, and oral ASAP health max 30PPM. The silver 100 is resulting in ions, the ASAP is particles...which would target cancer. And they are coated in Ag4O4, which was the chemical used in the breast cancer study. Plus they just found a bladder infection, which silver may solve quickly. Plus I think he has Lyme...well I think everybody and their mom has lyme! Regarding peroxide, I had mentioned to the MD that I had head of people who had done 3% peroxide (Brooks). He said it wasn't safe and 0.5% was the max. I think he starts with 0.0375%...very little. Anyrate, no one here ever puts all their eggs in one basket, and we have 20 other things in the pipeline. ~David
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Hi Mike: I am astonished to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS. The best I have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart. I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation process. However, such extreme purity is simply not desirable or needed for the typical single mom. Agreed. However, none of us use this anymore. For LVDC,the thing we are worried about is CO2, which forms carbonic acid. This will quickly raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so. Having an actual closed production system takes care of this problem, although again not very necessary for a simple generator. Silver does not oxidize. Search google for silver does not oxidize, and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some: Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment. The point is rather mute anyway. For example: The equilibrium electrode potential of silver is +0.799 V. This value is only 0.01 V more negative than the equilibrium potential of an oxygen electrode in natural environments. Then by definition silver is not regarded as a noble metal, because it can still be thermodynamically oxidised by atmospheric oxygen at normal temperatures. At standard temperatures and pressures (STP), the thermodynamical equilibrium of 4 Ag + O2 -- 2 AgO -from the ESA Journal, 1989 I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver oxide configurations which must have occured with some relatively simple reactions. I've never questioned my common understanding of the oxidation process involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with silver all of the time. I can pretty much prove by physical evidence some very simple reactions. That said, I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint when I get the chance... I always question everything, and I love being proved wrong... there's a big thrill in improving the accuracy and depth perception of knowledge. However, I don't see that the point is that relative to anything regarding a basic generator, anyway. The electrode configuration does affect the performance. I hope to clarify this soon when I get the SilverCell web page up and running. That might be one of your bigger issues. If people purchase standard silver electrodes from somewhere like ccsilver.com , they may not be able to bend them into shape successfully without tearing them up with pliars or some such tool. Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride. I don't believe that I stated that they were. Silver ions are leached off by acids, whereby they are then converted into compounds ( in reference to Dr. Bart Flick's work). Frank is dead wrong in this. Ions kill pathogens in vitro. Particles do not. As I stated in an earlier email, work done at UCLA demonstrated conclusively that only the electromagnetic information is required to kill pathogens. I noted that particles in the colloidal spectrum have unique properties not shared by simple ion arrangements. Metallic silver can very easily survive the digestive tract. In fact, you may not be aware fo this, but some colloidal-size particles exhibit enzyme-like activities in the body. However, again, I don't see this as very important to the work at hand. I wholeheartedly agree that Frank is very wrong in some of his suppositions. Internally, something completely different happens. With sublingual absorption, the amount of silver in the blood is far to low to have any effect on pathogens. We need to study this further, since it definitely involves the human immune system Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic information of silver. I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical level how oligodynamics work biologically. As far as anyone really knows, the effect could simply be a catylst. Nebulization is my favorite method of administration, although I am aware that there are some MD's out there who rely soley upon sublingual adsorption. High ionic is the only way to go. Unfortunately, most people here have no way to see this for themselves since all the current cs generators have too many design flaws to reach the needed concentration. Aside from experience with the differences in taste, the salt solution is an elegant solution. But the solution has been under our fingers since the 3 nines was originally invented. All it takes is a slight rearrangement of the design, and we can improve the ion concentration by a factor of ten! I would really like to see this in a closed system some day, with the ambient air variables removed. It would be fascinating. You will truly be amazed when you see how simple the SilverCell process is. This is the most significant breakthrough in colloidal silver generators since the original 3 nines, and I am hopeful it will have beneficial effects for those suffering from serious
Re: CSspectrographs of CS
Greetings, all: Hi David, I wrote an article for the Lyme Strategies called Silver In the Blood. In it I tried to show the ion concentration in the blood is far too low to have any effect on pathogens, and the main instrument in healing is the immune system. I will be expanding on this topic in the SilverCell forum, so there will be plenty of new information to work with. In the meantime, I need to alert you to the problems with nebulizers. As a water droplet shrinks, the silver and hydroxide ions are forced closer together. And the smaller the droplet, the faster it shrinks. At some point, the ions combine to form silver hydroxide, which is inert, insoluble, and has no antibacterial qualities. This gets distributed deep inside your lungs, and could have the same effect as asbestos in harming the lungs. This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've read in quite awhile. As an individual with over ten years of experience with nebulization, this type of fear-mongering is unbecoming of true intelligence. I can introduce you to individuals with terminal infectous conditions of the blood, lungs and organs who used CS nebulization to effect a permanent cure it's effective with both humans and animals. Asbestos is carcinogenic, and the particle characteristics prevent it from being removed from lung tissue. I can also introduce you to individuals who have breathed in so much silver in an industrialized setting, that their whole upper body turned black.The lungs, however, are in perfect shape (after twenty some years). Furthermore, studies have been done demonstrating that silver accumulation in lung tissue is not present as long as the silver particle is less than 15 nanometers in diameter. People with massive silver exposure in lung tissues don't even develop conditions similiar to silicosis, let alone asbestos. Silver is not as effective with Lyme disease as some would hope, and it's completely due to concentration levels. Here is a quote from a Lyme sufferer: There can also be some unintended consequences: While on IV Colloidal Silver, after my initial herxing, I started feeling better...until one day, I got slammed with Babesia symptoms. Apparently, the artemisinin I'd been on the year before, which had reduced my Babesia microti down to non-infective levels, did not eradicate it. Some other organism or two or three were helping my body keep down the Babesia population left after I went off the artemisin, organisms that were killed off by the silver, resulting in a major Babesia population. Fortunately, my physician had just returned from a Lyme conferenced, wherein he learned that Babesia is far more prevalent in the Lyme patient population (40% or more), and is far more difficult to get rid of, has a cyst form requiring the addition of a third antibiotic, and the tests are, like tests for Borrelia burgdorferi, returning high rates of false negatives because acute illness happens at ratios far less than the test sensitivity levels. [Note that there are tests for only two of the 13 known Babesia species, so people infected with the other 11 species will never test positive, no matter how sick they are.) Lyme is more complicated than just saying higher concentration of silver will eradicate it. It's one of those infections that requires a great deal of knowledge and concerted effort to address, especially in advanced stages. I doubt very seriously that silver would have any impact on the cystic stage of Lyme, whicih is why it may be a good aid, but not a primary treatment modality. As a friend recently reminded me, though, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail! I don't often like to comment on Lyme disease, because that one should really be handled by people specializing in it with a medical background as well as a natural/alternative background. However, because there is so much confusion, bad information, and down right imaginative suppositions going around, a Lyme sufferer really needs to take a multi-pronged approach to the whole problem. Regardless of how one decides to use silver in a protocol, spirochetes travel to tissues and areas in the body that it is not likely silver will have a great impact on. However, in some of its active stages, and as it operates in the active metabolism, silver use can greatly help knock the pathogen counts down, which obviously helps the immune system. Titration is one of the biggest issues; bioactive silver in any form, and by any philosphy, doesn't have a long activity life in a biological system (like the human body). At extremely low concentrations, silver only inhibits spirochetes' growth cycle. There are therapies far more effective at dealing with the cystic stage of lyme and biofilm... but they are not that easy to use by someone without experience (which is why a good alt med practitioner
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Hi Renee: In theory, yes. In practice, maintaining the purity of any signal is problematic. It's easy to both measure and maintain any energy signal from a device through a chamber and into a test tube. It's way beyond my technical expertise to try and figure out how this could be done. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 18:27 Subject: Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy] Jason wrote: Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic Information of silver. I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical Level how oligodynamics work biologically. As far as anyone really knows, The effect could simply be a catylst. Jason, does this mean if a person could get the figures for the frequency of the silver that this would be as good as the electromagnetic information from the silver--or do you think it's still necessary to have actual, physical ions present? Samala, Renee
Re: CSspectrographs of CS
Hi Mike: You've actually been quite personally insulting, and so I'm done with arguing. You ignore ascertations with deflections, and are not communicating in good faith. The last thing I'm going to say: You've said: Doctors have absolutely no clue about cs, and it is not recognized by the FDA. So they simply cannot order anyone to use it or not. ...basically calling me a liar, which I do not appreciate. Best of luck with your project. Kind Regards, Jason From: Mike Monett armor@gishpuppy.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 20:06 Subject: Re: CSspectrographs of CS Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Your experience would mean more if you had some basic chemistry knowledge to tell the difference between junk science and valuable information. You cannot tell what silver hydroxide will do to tissues in the long term. You have no knowledge or experience to say. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSspectrographs of CS
Hi Neville:
You're right... You really need to use a digital meter.
~Jason
- Original Message -
From: Neville Munn
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 23:00
Subject: RE: CSspectrographs of CS
From my experience, Ph is high immediately upon cessation of the brewing
process {LVDC home produced} and over time it returns to base Ph.
I haven't actually timed it as all I wanted to know was the Ph level of my
two samples I had tested at the time.
If I thought those litmus strips were worth anything I would have used some
in the past, but I don't think they amount to much for this purpose.
N.
From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Re: CSspectrographs of CS
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:27:19 -0700
Greetings,
I only use EIS with a pH very close to neutral. Some manufacturing methods
create
acidic CS; at best, one is simply delivering small amounts of silver
nitrate
into the body.
~Jason
Re: CSspectrographs of CS
Hi Mike: I'm very interested in your work; please send me a link to your group when you get the chance. I'm actually not confused, though. There are other variables in the production process, although perhaps some would consider the issue splitting hairs. The most irritating variable is distilled water quality. While this does not necessarily directly impact the electrolysis process, indirectly in makes a big difference. I can only get the best results when I double-distill water myself, which I usually don't have time to do. When I measure distilled water that I purchase, and I see the ph is above 8.0, and the purity level far above my ideal 0.3 uS, I know that my end product will not be as good as it could be. Second, the longer distilled water sits in open air, the more nitrogen it will pull from the air; the more energy you apply to the process, the more nitrogen is pulled into the water. With HVAC, this can make a huge difference, but with LVDC, it only seems to be a minor difference. Furthermore, you can get silver oxides due to the decay at the silver electrodes. Poor electrode configurations are probably the biggest offenders. Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride. The only thing they are subject to (relative to our topic) to is oxidation. In the presence of acids, silver ions may be released (as was definatively demonstrated by Dr. Bart Flick), once released they are then subject to numerous chemical reactions. Again, colloidal size particles, even if they in oxide form, have unique characteristics; however, you won't find this information by cracking open your high school chemistry book. But I do agree that any interesting function of silver particles, as silver particles, is not very relevant to a direct action of killing pathogens. So we definately agree about the value of a highly ionic, highly concentrated stabilized silver solution in distilled water. I can't wait to see the information you present on your generator! Kind Regards, Jason ~Jason Hi Jason, I can clear up some of the confusion you are experiencing. The only product of silver electrolysis is silver ions, Ag+, and the hydroxide ion, OH-. There are no other products in colloidal silver. There can be no other results from the electrolysis process. You cannot get pure silver atoms, or silver oxide, or tetrasilver tetroxide, or any other combination of silver compounds. Only silver ions, Ag+, and the hydroxide, OH-. The only combination you can get from this is silver hydroxide, AgOH. These are the only particles you will see in colloidal silver. This is what turns the solution yellow. There are only a few metals that engage in plasmon resonance. Silver and gold are among them. For silver, this absorbs the blue end of the spectrum and leaves the typical yellow tint that everyone is familiar with. But when you ingest this solution, the AgOH combines with the hydrochloric acid in your stomach and produces silver chloride and water. The equation is: AgOH + HCl -- AgCl + H2O This is a standard acid-base neutralization reaction. Look it up in any high school chemistry textbook. The result is it doesn't matter what kind of silver hydroxide particles you ingest. The particle size, zeta potential, and any other parameters are of no consequence. They are all reduced to silver chloride and water. So particle size has no meaning when you ingest cs. But there is a different way of making cs. I have developed a new method called the SilverCell process. This makes cs up to 44uS, which is the world's strongest and most effective silver ion solution possible. Normally, any cs generator is terminated when the ions from one electrode reach the opposite electrode. They combine in the Nernst Diffusion Layer and form silver hydroxide, AgOH. This terminates the brewing process, since any more electrons that enter the solution only go to forming more silver hydroxide, or they plate out on the cathode. If you continue the brew, you may find the silver ion concentration actually decreases due to extra combination of AgOH in the Nernst Diffusion Layer. So for every electron delivered to the solution, you now lose more than two ions, and it makes no sense to continue the process. But I have developed a way to control the reactions in the Nernst Diffusion Layer. As a result, my solution has absolutely no Tyndall, even in the darkest room. I can deliver the world's highest silver ion concentration in a colloidal silver generator. This makes it by far the most effective cs ever produced. I can also show that the silver ion concentration is essential in combating the most virulent pathogens. See for example my post on http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg76134.html This clearly shows the higher ion
Re: CSspectrographs of CS
Hi David: Oh, the Brooks Bradley Oxygen Nebulizer is far superior... I didn't include it because most people don't have one and are unable to create one. For some strange reason, people get the idea that if they see more mist than it's better. With the oxygen nebulizer, you can set it so that you can't even see the mist without a mirror to fog out. This gives you by far the most penetration into lung tissue. The problem with spritzers/humidifiers/etc., is that very little of the bioactive silver reaches deep into the lower lobes of the lungs, which are sometimes the worst problem areas. So, you need the best delivery system possible... even then, no matter how painful it is, you have to take very deep, deliberate breaths. If there is fluid build-up in the lungs, then it is very important to nebulize right when waking up in the morning, before the flui has a chance to build up in the lower lobes, as well. Generally speaking, actual nebulizers work better than other solutions (and ultrasonic a bit better than pneumonic) because of the atomization of the solution. It doesn't change, of course, the size of the silver in solution, but with a finer mist you get far less water vapor coating the throat and the upper respiratory tract, and deeper penetration in the lungs. Furthermore, anything you can do to to open the capillaries will also increase the effectiveness of nebulization... Such as taking high heat cayenne pepper under the tongue five to fifteen minutes prior to nebulizing... It can make a big difference. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 15:03 Subject: Re: CSspectrographs of CS The more I hear about in vivo views, the less I know! Also very interested in your generator Mike. I have suspected that inadequate concentration of ions in the blood is the main issue when people like me peak in improvements with CS. I definitely want to try your solution out. So is particle size the main factor with nebulizer effectiveness? So Jason, you would say that ultrasonic nebulizers give the best particle sizes? Any thoughts on how they compare to Brooks nebulizer? I also have infected lungs that do not respond to all sorts of nebulized silver products with a cheap edge nebulizer. Thanks, ~David
Re: Re: CSspectrographs of CS
Greetings, ...while there are no published definative studes done, medical doctors have done their own comparitive analysis with their patients, and I've never found a single medical doctor that hasn't drawn the same conclusion. They may be out there, but I haven't found one. Once a silver ion enters the bloodstream, it quickly converts to the most likely compound: Silver chloride. Silver chloride still has antimicrobial properties, probably more than inert silver particles. For direct killing power, I'd rather have silver chloride active in the body than silver particles. However, minutely sized silver particles have colloidal properties not shared by silver ions. As was demonstrated by a scientist from Standford University (Professor William A. Tiller), the presence of bioactive silver is not required in order for silver to have pathogen killing power: Only its electromagnetic signature. Silver particles, even if coated in oxides, provided that they are colloidal-sized, have a zeta potential that... like all colloids... act as catalysts by their mere presence. The most effective way to deliver EIS, for the home user, into the body is via ultrasonic nebulization. The most effective way to deliver it is to do an IV drip, followed by an IV drip of H2O2. Silver complexes blow apart in the presence of H2O2, just like silver particles do. The toxicology of EIS (be it colloidal silver sized particles or silver ions in distilled water) is extremely low; so while some forms of silver might be more powerful directly (such as highly concentrated silver citrate), I only use EIS with a pH very close to neutral. Some manufacturing methods create acidic CS; at best, one is simply delivering small amounts of silver nitrate into the body. There are methods that individuals can use to definatively determine the effectiveness of a given silver product, but I don't recommend them for the average person because the side effects can be unpredictable. In my experience (speaking only for myself), Argentyn 23 is at least four times more effective than the silver I make using my modified Silvergen SG-7. However, for oral use, as Marshall has been playing with, adding H2O2 to the mix may make up for the variable. The problem is, one cannot then make a determination if the increase in effectiveness is due to the activated oxygen or smaller particles. The cost difference is too high to justify the expense of purchasing a retail product, no matter how good it may be... especially since we go through five gallon batches of EIS quite often. I do find it sad that so much knowledge and research was lost to the average person regarding the different types of silver products, and quality guidelines. ...but I will say that there are many little quiet clinics around the country (like the one I sometimes go to for non-related therapy) where you'll find a room full of people getting Argentyn 23 IV drips, and the medical doctors administering them would pour products like (brand name removed) down the toilet rather than give them to their patients, because these doctors can do things like live blood cell analysis before and after treatment. I personally am a middle of the road person, and see plenty of value in both colloids and ions. The problem people face when dealing with pathogenic infections is understanding the biological origin of the infection, and understanding the biological reason the body cannot beat the infection. 7/10 the reason people cannot beat their infections is poor bowel health. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 17:32 Subject: Re: Re: CSspectrographs of CS Theres no solid evidence that any particular form of silver is any more 'effective' than any other form. Numerous lab test seem to indicate that all forms of silver are effective. Pure silver particles, silver ions, and all sorts of silver compounds, all seem to kill germs. There are indications that some forms of silver may kill pathogens 'quicker' (in vitro) but that doesn't mean that in the longer term they are any more effective. For example a pure silver particle (eg mesosilver) may (or may not) work more 'slowly', but it may retain its effectiveness for much longer, thereby killing more pathogens overall, so the benefit ultimately may be greater than an ion that (may) work only momentarily. Anyway all the results we have are 'in vitro' (i.e. lab tests). We have no real idea of whats really happening in the human body. And is there any such thing as a silver 'ion' in the blood stream anyway? Don't silver ions immeadiately become a 'silver compound particle' the instant they are ingested? The whole argument about smaller particles being more effective than larger particles is somewhat nebulous too. I can't say I've ever seen a lab test that
Re: CSSystemic Yeast Infection
Hi Judy: Some of the top supplements you can use to fight Candida (there is plenty of research out there if Google the topics): East Park Research Olive Leaf Extract (D Lenolate) Fresh water Diatomaceous Earth (for the digestive system) A high quality therapeutic edible clay (for the digestive system) Plenty of quality probiotics (even up to three times daily) Colloidal Silver Plus, it is very important to reduce or eliminate fast burning sugars... Try to eat foods that are low on the glycemic index. Even for those people who aren't using medications that encourage Candida, who have acquired systemic candida infections, it can easily take a year to clear up with a concentrated effort. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Judy Harnett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 09:52 Subject: CSSystemic Yeast Infection Thanx Sandy. I checked out the link you forwarded, but did not find it very helpful as it concentrated mainly on vaginitis and thrush and yeast infection during pregnancy. Those are not the problems I'm dealing with. Because I am dealing with inhalants to treat my COPD, the infection centers around my vocal cords, esophagus, and the like, eventually causing me severe laryngitis. It starts out with a horrible taste in my mouth and I know that it's time to take the fluconazole, which is losing it effectiveness. There may not be an answer to my problem as long as I'm using these inhalant meds, but was hoping someone would know if using silver on a daily basis would at least keep it at bay. So, if anyone has experience with it's use, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Judy
Re: CSAgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol
Hi David: A. The product that was used in the breast cancer studies quoted earlier (done by Dr. John Apsley) was Argentyn 23, and not Silver Sol, or Silver Biotics. B. Horowitz is absolutely rediculous. His ravings on this topic should be ignored. American Biotech Labs shreas a unique relationship with the FDA because they spent the money to have at least two of their products cleared for medical use by the FDA. Therefore, they have the legal authority to make medical claims based on their patent filings coupled with their FDA approval. I'm not the biggest fan with everything that ABL has done, but Keith Moeller et al are certainly not FDA plants, nor do they have an agenda beyond making their investors happy by selling lots of silver. As far as whether or not it is **more** or less useful than a typical EIS product, it's hard to say. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 14:51 Subject: Re: CSAgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol And then, the maker of Oxysilver (a Dr. Len Horowitz), says that they ripped off his product (which may imply oxysilver is also Ag4O4). He says that ABL, and its like 7 or 8 different names of silver products that it sells on various websites are a government scam to manipulate the growing interest in colloidal silver for various purposes. He says the FDA seems to allow them make claims, while they cracked down on his product. (I did in fact see blatant claims against tons of illnesses on one of their sites that I checked. In one of their videos, they state that they are allowed to make claims because they have filed a patent...that is not how it is supposed to legally work though as far as I know!) . http://web.mac.com/len15/SilverSolFraud/SilverSolFraud.com.html He says the frequencies in the silversol products may cause cancer and that it is a depopulation scheme to take out the natural health oriented people who are the ones who tend to talk about depopulation conspiracies, etc. Man...I'm just trying to try a new silver product that won't give me cancer and be certain it is something I have not tried before (Ag4O4). Not sure what to think of this particular mudslinging. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSProbiotics
Re: CSProbioticsHi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - -- From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSProbiotics Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics?
Re: CSGood and bad bacteria
Greetings, everyone: This subject always produces great confusion, and there really is no need for it. I ask that those interested in understanding how antimicrobial substances work in the gut read pages 249 - 259 of my book, most of which has been made available for free on Google books: http://books.google.com/books?id=juKFJZ2OP3UClpg=PA249dq=dr%20lind%20claypg=PA249#v=onepageq=dr%20lind%20clayf=false The confusion is easily solved when contrasting the desireable population counts of good bacteria vs. the population counts of bad bacteria, and how quickly good bacteria repopulates in the large intestines, provided that the biological terrain has been restored. If one desires to hammer the large intestines in order to eradicate pathogenic organisms overgrowth, then colloidal silver, olive leaf extract (East Park Research), and a high quality healing clay can be used. In situations where there is a severe imbalance in the colon, a high quality probiotic can be used. Howver, one needs to use the probiotic not because these antimicrobial substances have wiped out the good organisms, but because there is a good chance that the imbalance in the digestive system has already depleted them. Those with fantastically functioning digestive systems experience no problems, due to the fact that repopulation of the good organisms occurs very quickly; and even more quickly as the undesireable organisms perish. If one wishes to ensure the delivery of active silver into the intestines, then mixing colloidal silver with clay is the best way to accomplish this. For those using CS for other conditions, as long as the digestive system is relatively healthy, there is no real reason to be concerned about the over-killing of good bacteria in the gut. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 06:44 Subject: Re: CSc/s and Bee Mites My understanding is, the CS would kill the gut flora if it got in contact with it. But I believe the CS is absorbed before it gets that far in the digestive tract. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Scotty scottie592...@yahoo.com wrote: So does this mean that CS kills good bacteria in humans too? This seems to be a controversial subject. -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
\Hi Alan: Not at all... Sites such as Quackwatch, et al. aren't run by skeptics, they are run by individuals posing as some sort of authority. A skeptic, by definition, would actually DO the science to see if the claims made by CS had any valid (many of us skeptics did exaclty just that... I've personally commissioned several scientific studies, as well as run test groups actually testing the effectiveness of CS for a basic data pool... ). If a skeptic was not in a position to do the science, the skeptic would work diligently examining any and all scientific data available. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSOn Topic Online Questions Begging For CS Answers
Hi Everyone: Unfortunately, that information on H2O2, while useful, is not exactly correct. I test the quality of my colloidal silver by taking a small amount and adding a few drops of 35% H2O2. If the colloidal silver clouds up, I throw the batch away. However, I do tend to be very old school with my CS production. The problem is that it seems everyone now teaches that it is ok not to clean the silver rods and the vessel when brewing CS. This is not correct. All of the silver oxide must be removed from the silver electrodes just prior to brewing. All silver must be removed from the brewing vessel just prior to brewing. All jagged edges must be removed from the silver electrodes just prior to brewing... if one is to achieve the highest quality EIS possible. If the above instructions are followed, then your CS will not cloud up when adding H2O2 to the end product. Grab a laser pen and watch the beautiful tyndal effect as the magnificent H2O2 silver reaction blasts silver particles apart and at the same time releases activated oxygen. Purchase some H2O2 concentration strips and chart the reduction of H2O2 over time, if you are interested in following and understanding the entire reaction. What happens when the EIS clouds up just after production? You have larger agglomerated particles of silver oxide in-solution. And if you have larger ones, then chances are you have a whole range, from tiny visible silver flakes all the way down the scale. The product will be very unstable as agglomeration continues. After two or three weeks, you probably have about a good of product as can be carefully made with nine volt batteries still effective, but hardly ideal. The amount of H2O2 to add to any EIS formulation is greatly dependant upon the concentration and the composition of the silver hydrosol. For experimental teaching purposes, immediately bring the CS solution up to a concentration of 50 PPM H2O2 (this is midway between the 0-100 PPM peroxide testing strips available for purchase). You can then track how much hwow is reacting with silver particles in solution by comparing the tyndal effect with a PWT meter reading and concentration. If you really have a great silver generator production unit set up, you can brew a 10 PPM EIS and completely reduce the silver particles out of the solution, at which point the H2O2 concentration will stabilize and there will be no tyndal effect; the silver taste will be much more noticeable. This ideal is hard to achieve due to the complex species of silver oxides that can be created when larger particles of silver (apparently) react with H2O2; these silver peroxide complexes can get small enough to stay in solution without being oxygen reactive! Now of course, it is not critical that the perfect EIS be created every time; lazy batches of CS will often work just fine. Sometimes, even with perfectly formed silver electrodes properly placed in-water in the highest quality distilled water, there are variables that can still adversely effect production. Open-lidded systems are dependent upon light and air issues, including humidity and nitrogen content. EIS brewing greats such as Ivan and Steven Quintos went to extraordinary lengths to control each and every variable. Ivan chose to use batch processing and flushing out his sealed production container with Argon gas. Stephen Quinto chose to use continuous flow production with at-production water purification and water structuring. I modified my SG7 so that the lid closes and seals; if I'm really in an ambitious mood, I'll pump about 5% ozone (by concentration) ON TOP (not within) of the water using 98% pure oxygen to feed the ozone generator. Ozone is heavier than air so I'm basically just placing a sheet of oxygen on top of the water surface with a flow through system. Kind Regards, Jason R. Eaton Independent Research Executive Author of Upon A Clay Tablet, the Definitive Guide to Healing with Homeostatic Clay, Vol's I II www.earthcures.org - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: CSOn Topic Online Questions Begging For CS Answers Paula Samuels Anthis wrote: Question? If I remember correctly, it is best to wait two days after brewing CS to add H2O2 - _but would someone be kind and tell again how many drops H2O2 per quart of CS solution? and is that drugstore 3% or diluted to 3% food grade H2O2 that shoul be used?_ Yes, wait 22 days. Then add 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of EIS. A quart would take 1/16 teaspoon. (And please forgive me if this info was posted and I failed to see or record it? OK?) Thanks also Ode for having such good, easily understood info on your website as it is helping solidify all this information in my little old brain. I used several drops H2O2 in a fresh brewed quart several weeks ago and the CS
Re: CSWound care....using colloidal silver for it
Hi Garrick: I have extensive experience with wound management and complex colloids and hydrosols. Yes, you can simply add CS to the wound, bandage it, and use a spray bottle to spray the bandage to keep the active silver on the wound site. However, this is not the best method, especially with non-healing wounds. The silver will be key to help heal the wound, but it will do nothing to help address the lack of oxygen in the tissue, nor the failure of the lower lymphatic system. Starting on page 56 of my book, I describe how you can use silver and a complex clay colloid to heal even the worst infections... even with diabetics and those on immune system destroying drugs. http://books.google.com/books?id=juKFJZ2OP3UCprintsec=frontcoverdq=upon+a+clay+tabletcd=1#v=onepageqf=false I use 50% colloidal silver at about 10PPM, with 50% of whatever ionic complex I want to use, in order to hydrate healing grade therapeutic clay. Now, not all bentonites will work with serious wound-care. To ensure success, a healing grade clay must be used. About four years ago I ran into the first case where silver and clay would not heal a severe infection. The infection was in the bone of the foot; it was a typical diabetic tunneling wound turned infection. The MD was getting ready to take the whole foot off. I couldn't fathom how/why the silver clay combination was not working. I then realized that the primary issue was probably oxygen/circulation related. So I developed a three stage treatment system. First, the individual would place the entire foot in a small tub filled with colloidal silver. Then, the individual would bubble ozone with a disc bubbler THROUGH the silver hydrosol and underneath the wound site. The individual was instructed to do this twice daily for 30 minutes per treatment. The individual was compliant because the ozone greatly soothed the wound. Next, the individual was to use a therapeutic clay hydrated with at least 50% colloidal silver and pack it inside the wound and on the bottom of the foot, and then secure the clay in place with a clean bandage... inbetween the two daily treatments, the clay would remain. The individual was compliant because as long as the hydrated clay was packed, there was no pain or irritation. I'm certain the infection was destroyed within the first 72 hours; the wound took a few months to completely heal, but it did so. Later, I started to study, contrast and compare the world's most famous therapeutic clays. As I studied their characteristics, I realized that different clays had different strengths and weaknesses, and yet they could be used together to produce a synergetic effect. I will be publishing these studies in my next Volume, but it will likely be about 3-5 years to complete the science... However, I was able to produce a complex colloid that involves a blend of three clays, and that was precisely PH balanced for proper skin health and wound-care. The problem with silver is it is almost caustic because it is very close to distilled water. The problem with most therapeutic clays is that they are very alkaline. Using the knowlege I gained back in 2001 working with Greg Caton's altcancer.com products, I hypothesized that I could utilize Alpha Omega Lab's Hydronium solution to safely modify the PH levels of any solution without concern for skin irritation. The tests proved effective, and I was able to develop a complex colloid that could be kept on any wound. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for one to two months. The clay was to be kept hydrated simply by using a spray bottle and spraying silver onto the dressing. After all wound draining (the clay has to be changed out often until any wound is done draining), the clay is simply changed out two to three times daily. Using this method, you also avoid wound chilling, which can greatly slow down healing. If you are just spraying silver on a wound, it needs to be at body temperature, or slightly warm. The area needs to be insulated enough not to chill after application, as well. http://www.eytonsearth.org/skin-cancer-salve.html ...these are just some notes thrown together on an example of such a treatment. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Garrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: CSWound careusing colloidal silver for it Hi all, I might not be able to get them to try it out but. I know an elderly couple and the man has a wound on his shin that will not heal He had a skin cancer removed from there He is diabetic so poor circulation to his limbs What is the best way to keep the colloidal silver on the wound? A good bandage that you keep wet with CS? This guy is 92 years old and served on our (USA) bomber crews in WW2 in the Pacific He was kind of a boxing champ in the military. He showed me some photos of him from in the boxing
Re: CSWound care....using colloidal silver for it
Hi Del: That clay should be fine. Using 100% CS with clay is also fine. I was just demonstrating that a superior formulation could be made, specifically to PH balance the end product. That is one of the effects of the clay. Therapeutic grade clays are homeostatic. When possible, the use therefore results in a restoration of balance. Another potential effect of a quality clay is the uranium (extremely low level radiation hormesis) and trace amounts of minerals such as Thorium. In some cases (such as gram negative bacteria in the colon), the clay's action of the sorption of the toxic byproducts that bacteria naturally produces is more effective than any substance designed to kill pathogenic organisms. What makes a highly complex colloid the better bet is that sometimes it doesn't matter if you kill the pathogenic organisms responsible for an infection, because conditions remain that support the reinfection of the tissue. In my complex colloids, everything that the tissue needs to rebuild is included in the colloid... everything accept activated oxygen (which is why we employ ozone with tough situations). Also, you never know if you have embedded metal from the injury. CS won't pull out splinters (even microscopic ones can cause irritation that results in reinfection), but clay often will (even if you can't see them). Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Del To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: CSWound careusing colloidal silver for it Hi Jason: Good to see you back on this list again, it's been a while. This post is timely for me, I have an infection on the knuckle of my thumb that will not go away. I scored it with a hand saw while sawing up some downed tree limbs in my back yard. It bled quite a bit, and I first washed it out then poured on some DMSO and CS, and some Cayenne Tincture, then bandaged it with a Band-Aid and Bacitracin. It healed over, but apparently an infection persisted under the skin, which now has a lump on the knuckle. I tried applying CS and DMSO several times a day, but not much success. So I switched to DMSO and SSKI (potassium iodide) with better results, but still not eliminated. It so happens that my wife is using pure calcium bentonite as a facial. It's this one here: http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SW-1001 Would this work for my thumb as described in your email? And what do you mean by 50% of whatever ionic complex. Why not just use 100% CS with the clay? I assume the clay acts to draw out the infection and the CS kills it? Del - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSWound careusing colloidal silver for it I use 50% colloidal silver at about 10PPM, with 50% of whatever ionic complex I want to use, in order to hydrate healing grade therapeutic clay. Now, not all bentonites will work with serious wound-care. To ensure success, a healing grade clay must be used.
Re: CSWound care....using colloidal silver for it
...oh and by the way: Thank you and hello. I though I would drop back in and see how the silver listers have been doing. :o) ~ Jason - Original Message - From: Del To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: CSWound careusing colloidal silver for it Hi Jason: Good to see you back on this list again, it's been a while. This post is timely for me, I have an infection on the knuckle of my thumb that will not go away. I scored it with a hand saw while sawing up some downed tree limbs in my back yard. It bled quite a bit, and I first washed it out then poured on some DMSO and CS, and some Cayenne Tincture, then bandaged it with a Band-Aid and Bacitracin. It healed over, but apparently an infection persisted under the skin, which now has a lump on the knuckle. I tried applying CS and DMSO several times a day, but not much success. So I switched to DMSO and SSKI (potassium iodide) with better results, but still not eliminated. It so happens that my wife is using pure calcium bentonite as a facial. It's this one here: http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SW-1001 Would this work for my thumb as described in your email? And what do you mean by 50% of whatever ionic complex. Why not just use 100% CS with the clay? I assume the clay acts to draw out the infection and the CS kills it? Del - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSWound careusing colloidal silver for it I use 50% colloidal silver at about 10PPM, with 50% of whatever ionic complex I want to use, in order to hydrate healing grade therapeutic clay. Now, not all bentonites will work with serious wound-care. To ensure success, a healing grade clay must be used.
Re: CSMeat claimed as invention by Monsanto
Hi Bob: I agree regarding eating organic foods when possible. However, and quite sadly, there are even some organic foods that are very poor quality. For example, the organic free range chicken that I purchase at Trader Joe's has plastic or petro-chemical filled soft tissues or fat. Even much of the midwestern free range grass fed beef is not supremely excellent. I pay twice as much for beef I order, and I order it from smaller ranches in Northern California; any area that has rich volcanic-origin soils. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Bob Banever To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMeat claimed as invention by Monsanto Day, Try as much as possible to only eat organic foods. Bob - Original Message - From: Day Sutton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: CSMeat claimed as invention by Monsanto They already own the patent on every soybean in the world! GM is Roundup Ready this means they can spray Roundup on soybean crops and only the weeds will be killed. How much Roundup are we getting with soymilk, beans, etc??? On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Anne, Monsanto is THE most evil company on the planet. They are tryoing to poison the entire human population with their GM foods. They are a bunch of nazis, nothing more and nothing less. Bob - Original Message - From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: CSMeat claimed as invention by Monsanto Meat claimed as invention by Monsanto http://www.gmwatch.eu/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=12178 Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CS(OT) Russians Offer Water Bombers
I think the point is that quite a few modern countries - Russia, Japan, China - would love to explore the area a bit under a guise of international cooperation. Water bombing is not going to help one iota with any radiation problem. I can tell you that a hazardous waste team left from Albuquerque yesterday. I think it's more likely that we have a chemical burning problem, rather than a radiation problem. That doesn't bother me NEAR as much as the potential for a biological containment issue. - Original Message - From: d.linen li...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: Re: CS(OT) Russians Offer Water Bombers I think it's great that they offered their help. How many countries came to our aid when we had those hurricanes/flooding last fall or other major disasters? That was part of my point. We aid many countries in times of their major disasters. The other point is that I think there is much more to this disastrous fire than they are telling us. I'd bet that the radioactivity is pretty high. With many years of testing in that area, there is a lot of 'stuff' in the ground and plant life and with the fire it's being released into the atmosphere and will affect people in neighboring cities/states. My opinion only, Diane ode wan coyote wrote: On 05/12/00, d.linen wrote... ### perhaps they are opening a door for us to help them with some of thier national disasters? We could actually help each other. KD'C What are they NOT telling us if the Russians offer to help us? Has any other country offered us help before with our disasters? Diane Friday, May 12, 2000 Russians Offer Water Bombers The Associated Press MOSCOW - Two giant Il-76 jet airplanes capable of dumping 44 tons of water are standing by to help fight a fire in the Los Alamos area if needed, Russian officials said Friday. The Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations said it had received an official request from the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency for the airplanes, but was awaiting confirmation before ordering the long flight to the United States. The airplanes were ready to take off at any minute, said ministry official Alexander Zalyotov. The four-engine Il-76MDP can water-bomb an area 500 yards by 100 yards or drop 40 fully equipped firefighters by parachute, according to the reference book Jane's All The World's Aircraft. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKAK WORM
So THAT'S where I've been getting that pesky worm. Wonder if CS would kill it? - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: CSKAK WORM Please be advised I have received copies of the KAK worm 3 times in the last few weeks from this list. The messages are: Subject: CSTry this Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 05:09:58 -0700 Resent-From:silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:42:27 -0700 From:Steve Geigle sgei...@home.com Subject: CSUnidentified subject! Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:50:06 -0700 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date:Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:50:05 +0100 From: J WILLIAMS mossfieldrov...@cwcom.net Subject: CSaddress change Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:00:52 -0700 Resent-From:silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:01:26 -0400 From: Bill Bleasdale kings...@adelphia.net You can only get infected if you are using Outlook express for reading mail (In which case I would get a mail reading program that does not have these security holes in it). To see if you have the worm either check your autoexec.bat file for these lines: @echo offC:\Windows\STARTM~1\Programs\StartUp\kak.hta del C:\Windows\STARTM~1\Programs\StartUp\kak.hta If you have one or both, you have the worm. Also you can do a find for kak.*, *.kak and *.hta on your hard drive To remove see: http://www.Europe.F-Secure.com/v-descs/kak.htm or http://www.macafee.com/ for files to remove and http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/cgi-bin/virauto.cgi?vid=7378 gives information on removing it from the registry. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Greetings! Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and accepted before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY that the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal silver is still protected under the Vitamin and Mineral Suppliment Act. And so, the bottom line: CS can be sold as such without any medical claims. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. The benefit of colloidal silver ( in it's ionic state ) lasts for about thirty seconds. The residual silver left on/in the tissue is not a sufficient quantity to continue to kill replicating bacteria, and the PH balance remains disturbed. In my experience, three out of three people with chronic acne experienced no improvement and increased irritation, using three different types of colloidal silver. However, colloidal silver used internally may certainly have a positive benefit on the condition. In contrast to this, however, we have the numerous reports of people who have experienced very rapid cures of the same condition using colloidal silver. The same can be said for many conditions, and it can be very difficult to isolate the variables. I don't think we've ever gotten past the first variable: How the CS is made, and with what strength. In my opinion, what we need is data. We need to do a study, of say, 50 people with condition X, using the same CS. I, for one, would be more comfortable stating something like, out of 50 people with chronic acne, 5% of the people experienced a complete cure, 45% experienced positive results, and 50% experienced no benefit. Even at 5%, that would make colloidal silver the most successful treatment available. Furthermore, we would be able to better isolate variables. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. There is a difference between irrefutable evidence and scientific evidence. I for one am more than satisfied with irrefutable evidence. - Original Message - From: Steve geigle sgei...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 3:49 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Great idea, Roger. Say, why can't members of the silver list somehow produce a document explaining the benefits of CS and make it available at no cost (now there's a radical idea) to all members and others as they wish. Dumb idea or what? ;-) Cheers, Steven Geigle Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA sgei...@home.com - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Thaks very much Marshall. I'm sure a combined effort from the CS list would yield several times more published CS results. Perhaps we could request each list subscriber to contribute at least one published positive or negatve (which would be at least as interesting) CS report. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Many people do not have the luxury to engage the government in such pursuits as breaking an established law, then spending years of time and resources fighting. It would jeopardize their work in the world, and most likely lead to the discrediting of even non-related works, many of which have quite profound implications for humanity. It would be blatantly self-destructive to do so. I would highly suggest anyone considering such an act contact those who have personal experience to guide by. I would also strongly suggest consulting a good lawyer, who would inform you that while your efforts are noble, righteous, and most princely, they would not even be subject to appeal. It is like building your defense in a murder trial upon the basis that murder should not be against the law. Even if you proved your case, it would be irrelevant. A law, if passed legally, is beyond philosophical, scientific, or otherwise logical judgement. In our case, however, I do not forsee anyone going to jail over colloidal silver. At worst, I expect the FDA will just fine offending companies out of business. The FDA has a history of going after truly dangerous people, and is not likely to be concerned with laymen who do not have the credentials or a demonstrated history in an important field necessary to make a large impact on public awareness. The FDA also is very reluctant to go after well organized, law abiding organizations who include a standard sample of the public. 1000 average Americans united in the pursuit of an altruistic aim also pose a dangerous threat. Your danger to the system does not lie in breaking the law. It lies in following it. The power lies not in assertion of Will, but in application of Wisdom. Freedom is obtained by the strictess observance of natural law. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. Blessings Ted Jason R. Eaton wrote: Greetings! Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and accepted before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY that the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal silver is still protected under the Vitamin and Mineral Suppliment Act. And so, the bottom line: CS can be sold as such without any medical claims. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
That's a great idea to use aloe vera, and I agree that many different carriers can be used. And my apologies about Robert Becker. I believe I'm referring to the other Becker ( Bob Becker? ). I should have left personalities out of it, and simply made the point that the data I study closely is data performed by those with no vested financial interest, that are non-promotional in nature. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Jason R. Eaton wrote: Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. Mix with aloe vera. Works much better, sticks around longer, and has a slightly acid ph for the skin. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. Why would you say this? I consider Robert Becker one of the real pioneers in using silver for burns and so forth. His book The Electric Body is a great resource, and he does not seem to toe the party line when it disagrees with reality. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSseasilver
Greetings Listers! The following is a quote from the SeaSilver website ( I personally have no experience with nor opinion on their products ): begin webquote Dr. Gary Smith (a pioneer in cancer research) writes: We get silver and all minerals in the body through the food we eat . by assimilating the plant nutrients the minerals are transferred . through the blood stream to the various organs of our body. Hence, we get silver from plants. If we cannot assimilate silver for some reason or as the tissues age, we develop a silver deficiency and an impaired immune system . Consequently, the depletion of minerals in our soil has left us deficient of silver, one of our most essential trace minerals, causing a drastic increase in immune system disorders in our society in the last decade. Research has taught us that all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened immune system. In over 20 years of worldwide research on Colloidal Silver, numerous interviews with government agencies, health care practitioners and their patients, no other nutrient, herb or drug (prescription or over-the-counter) is as safe and effective against all known forms of unfriendly virus, bacteria, and fungus. Additionally, while it is generally known that most antibiotics kill only perhaps 6 or 7 different disease organisms, reports have shown that Colloidal Silver has been used successfully in the treatment of over 650 diseases! Furthermore, strains of disease organisms fail to develop in the presence of Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver's greatest attribute is its unique ability to function as a superior second immune system in the body! EndQuote Now, I'm a real believer in colloidal silver. However, the use of language and paste-togethers from various web sources paint a doubtful picture. At first glance, one readily believes that all of the above is from this Dr. Gary Smith. How crafty. If I had first heard of colloidal silver by reading this, I wouldn't have touched the stuff. Over twenty years of worldwide research on Colloidal Silver? Numerous interviews with goverment agencies? One of our most essential trace minerals? Making a simple statement as if it were the truth, without citation, reason, data, or personal experience, which goes against the readily believable, obvious, or commonly accepted, and doing so with expressed authority, is propaganda. Research has taught us that all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened immune system. I wonder how long one must study in order to realize that 1=1. This is a quote from another page, a letter from John Hopkins University, as signed at the end: beginquote The amount of silver required to develope argyria is estimated to be 3.8 grams per day. By comparison your product contains silver in amounts equaling less than 1 milligram of silver (1,000 micrograms = 1 milligram; 1,000 milligrams - 1 gram), which therefore represents an amount approximately 1/500th to 1/1000th of the amount of silver considered to be a risk in the developement of argyria. Most cases of argyria reported in the medical literature over the last 100 years involved chronic intravenous or intramuscular use of the silver preparations, most often involving a silver drug prescribed by physicians which in most cases contained silver nitrate. Other cases of argyria reported in the medical literature involve application of silver preparations used for many months or years in the treatment of the eye or vagina for certain diseases. We could not locate a single case of orally consumed colloidal silver manufactured in the last 25 years causing argyria in our review of the literature [emphasis added]. This is probably due to the low levels of silver contained in such preparations, since only very small amounts of silver are needed for its antiseptic effect. Humans consume approximately 100 micrograms of silver every day in the diet. Additional amounts within this range would be considered safe by all reasonable estimates, especially if the amount needed to develope argyria would be equivalent of 380,000 micrograms (or 3.8 grams) of silver a day. As for the efficacy of silver preparations, we found considerable scientific evidence published over the last 75 years that a number of silver compounds can be effective germicidal (antiseptic) agents against several hundred pathogenic organisms [emphasis added]. However, silver is not an antibiotic as some have claimed because an antibiotic by definition is derived from a living organism. I hope this information is of assistance to SeaSilver, Inc. I have prepared an extensive monograph on this subject for future publication. We expect the monograph to be available in late spring of this year. We hope the information therein will clarify and educate consumers on the safety of various silver preparations. We will advise you when that publication is available. We appreciate the concerns expressed at this time by some of
Re: CSDowsing????
It is a sad day indeed to hear such comments... It's like saying that moon pulling the water in one's body is an evil influence. People have been burned at the stake for far less than using something like colloidal silver, all in the name of some type of righteousness or another. How many people who like to point out sin even know what the word means, or where it comes from? Not many. If any. Colloidal silver and dowsing have one thing in common; they both operate off of natural principles, which Creator Prime designed. And who can speak for another's motive, be it in the use of dowsing, colloidal silver, or religious politics? I personally do not dowse, though I have nothing against it, and I do believe in Divine Providence. King Solomon wisely pointed out that one would be well advised not to contempt prior to investigation... I'd take it one step futher, being, without PERSONAL investigation. That means getting or making colloidal silver and testing it for oneself as apposed to reading some others' report. It also means picking up the traditional dowsing rod oneself. If one is not willing to do this, then the one I'd call an evil influence is the accuser - the one whom not only contempts prior to investigation, but whom also condemns. I believe that Yeshua said 'Though they spoke in my name, I never knew them.' paraphrased regarding such types. It is the doctor whom refuses to tell a mother to take her child off of Aspartame products because the AMA told him to do so. It is the so-called scientist whom claims colloidal silver does not work at all because it offends his ego or pascifies a need to belong. If it does not proclaim: Live free! Live boldly! Think for yourself! Fail often and love your learning! - Then, as it is pointed out so eloquently in Corinthians I-13, it IS NOTHING. - Original Message - From: Nicole Fraser To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999 5:54 PM Subject: Re: CSDowsing Dennis Lipter dlip...@accesshub.net wrote: I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking does it work? Not how does it work? Dennis Lipter LOL Well, if there are things involved that I don't want to be a part of and are sinful to God.. I think then it is best to stay away from it..;0) If GOD is not the one involved in the healing then I would rather be sick. I am sure others may disagree? especially those who do not believe in God right? ;0/ But I am sure most of those who do agree with me...I don't know your beliefs so it may sound childish to you, but to me it is far from that... Nicole:O) -- Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com account at Yahoo! Mail.
Re: CSRe: OT Bentonite clay
It actually is... or was... or perhaps will again be a brand name... grins We pulled our products when we realized that at the continued rate of consumption and growth of our business, a land that has been held hidden and sacred for thousands of years would be rapidly depleted. This had never been our intention. We've re-directed our efforts to exploring a wide variety of other sources from around the world, and we are actually working on a few hybrid products, though we finance everything we due and so development is often slow. When we can beat everyone's prices and at the same time develop the highest quality product in the world from sources which don't impact the spiritual history of the world, we'll go back to commercial and increase our not-for-profit efforts as well. - Original Message - From: Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America jdkl...@netzero.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 2:32 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: OT Bentonite clay i browsed the Eaton website... great material. I am confused. I thought that Eyton's Earth would be the brand name for a clay? guess not? jd -Original Message- From: Jason R. Eaton eatonja...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 11, 1999 1:23 PM Subject: CSRe: OT Bentonite clay Hi Tom... We have had great success treating non-degenerative muscular/bone conditions with external bentonite treatments. Any type of arthritis is a bit more tricky. The key is to determine the actual cause ( as apposed to the various effects ) of the arthritis, and come up with a treatment plan that both relieves the symptoms and treates the origin of the condition. I have found medical science's definitions and conclusions very unhelpful, if not useless. If your conclusion is true, and the arthritis is due to 'leaky gut syndrome', then you might very well experience fantastic results using clay healing. The digestive system would be the primary treatment area, or more specificially, the elimination system, including treatment for the liver as well as the intestinal tract. Any time the symptoms of arthritis are LOCALIZED in one ( or two ) part of the body, external healing clay packs usually have a phenominal impact in the condition, usually within 72 hours. Personally, I recommend going to Amazon.com and purchasing the fantastic natural medicine handbook Earth Cures by Raymond Dextreit. If you look on our Purchasing Healing Clay page, you'll see that we recommend products for internal use by V.E. Irons, Inc. And Pascalite also listed on that page ) is well known to have good effects when used externally on arthritis, but we don't have personal experience in this. If you and your wife enjoy travelling, email me at eatonja...@hotmail.com and I will share a very special place you can go to. I've seen people come in a wheelchair and leave walking, provided one has about three weeks to a month to spare. We have found that colloidal silver and healing clay work hand in hand very well. Healing clay is often weak on treating fungus and doesn't touch things like chest colds, ect. ( except, of course, with healing clay used internally one's immune system is strengthened ). Neither myself nor my wife have any die-off problem, as we cycle CS and bentonite ( offset by 4 - 6 hours ). Colloidal Silver, it seems, does the job but leaves a bit of a mess behind for the elimination system to clean up... Bentonite, on top of everything else it does, grabs and sorpts these now toxic substances and carries them through the elimination system, leaving the body's immune system free to do it's job unfettered. A last note; we use a three-staged healing system that includes metaphysics. Most people we have worked with are not even conscious of the first stage, which is metaphysical diagnosis. I developed this stylized system from the inspiration I was blessed with from two of my teachers - both of whom cured themselves of severe immune syndromes with the power of the mind united with heart. If you feel so inclined, you might find a copy of the book The Healing Secret of the Ages by Catherine Ponder - if you strip out the poor language style, and even the religious context if one desires, you are left with a modality of healing that is quite striking if put into motion - although this at times is no easy task! By the way, our thanks to all of the wonderful people who share their experience and insight on this list! Jason R. Eaton Eytons' Earth - Original Message - From: Tom Trauberman tomtrauber...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:42 AM Subject: CSBentonite clay Jason, My wife recently came down with rheumatoid arthritis, which I believe may be caused by leaky gut syndrome. I wonder if your clay might have an effect in her treatment
CSRe: OT Bentonite clay
Hi Tom... We have had great success treating non-degenerative muscular/bone conditions with external bentonite treatments. Any type of arthritis is a bit more tricky. The key is to determine the actual cause ( as apposed to the various effects ) of the arthritis, and come up with a treatment plan that both relieves the symptoms and treates the origin of the condition. I have found medical science's definitions and conclusions very unhelpful, if not useless. If your conclusion is true, and the arthritis is due to 'leaky gut syndrome', then you might very well experience fantastic results using clay healing. The digestive system would be the primary treatment area, or more specificially, the elimination system, including treatment for the liver as well as the intestinal tract. Any time the symptoms of arthritis are LOCALIZED in one ( or two ) part of the body, external healing clay packs usually have a phenominal impact in the condition, usually within 72 hours. Personally, I recommend going to Amazon.com and purchasing the fantastic natural medicine handbook Earth Cures by Raymond Dextreit. If you look on our Purchasing Healing Clay page, you'll see that we recommend products for internal use by V.E. Irons, Inc. And Pascalite also listed on that page ) is well known to have good effects when used externally on arthritis, but we don't have personal experience in this. If you and your wife enjoy travelling, email me at eatonja...@hotmail.com and I will share a very special place you can go to. I've seen people come in a wheelchair and leave walking, provided one has about three weeks to a month to spare. We have found that colloidal silver and healing clay work hand in hand very well. Healing clay is often weak on treating fungus and doesn't touch things like chest colds, ect. ( except, of course, with healing clay used internally one's immune system is strengthened ). Neither myself nor my wife have any die-off problem, as we cycle CS and bentonite ( offset by 4 - 6 hours ). Colloidal Silver, it seems, does the job but leaves a bit of a mess behind for the elimination system to clean up... Bentonite, on top of everything else it does, grabs and sorpts these now toxic substances and carries them through the elimination system, leaving the body's immune system free to do it's job unfettered. A last note; we use a three-staged healing system that includes metaphysics. Most people we have worked with are not even conscious of the first stage, which is metaphysical diagnosis. I developed this stylized system from the inspiration I was blessed with from two of my teachers - both of whom cured themselves of severe immune syndromes with the power of the mind united with heart. If you feel so inclined, you might find a copy of the book The Healing Secret of the Ages by Catherine Ponder - if you strip out the poor language style, and even the religious context if one desires, you are left with a modality of healing that is quite striking if put into motion - although this at times is no easy task! By the way, our thanks to all of the wonderful people who share their experience and insight on this list! Jason R. Eaton Eytons' Earth - Original Message - From: Tom Trauberman tomtrauber...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:42 AM Subject: CSBentonite clay Jason, My wife recently came down with rheumatoid arthritis, which I believe may be caused by leaky gut syndrome. I wonder if your clay might have an effect in her treatment? Tom Jason wroteHarold: I'm sorry to hear about the pain you are experiencing. Although I have no REASON to expect that what I recommend will ( or will not ) work, I am interested in performing a study to see if it has any effect. Please feel free to browse our website, and if you are interested in exploring it further, provided you sign some paperwork, we would be more than happy to supply you with the needed materials at no charge. http://www.eytonsearth.u4l.com Sincerely, Jason R. Eaton Eytons' Earth -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPain Pain Pain
Harold: I'm sorry to hear about the pain you are experiencing. Although I have no REASON to expect that what I recommend will ( or will not ) work, I am interested in performing a study to see if it has any effect. Please feel free to browse our website, and if you are interested in exploring it further, provided you sign some paperwork, we would be more than happy to supply you with the needed materials at no charge. http://www.eytonsearth.u4l.com Sincerely, Jason R. Eaton Eytons' Earth - Original Message - From: Harold Rand hr...@ados.com To: Silver silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: CSPain Pain Pain Pain, severe pain. I must have help I will probably be reprimanded for this inquiry but I am desparately seeking an answer. I have shingles (herpies zoster) over the upper right quarter of my head together with the same thing infecting my right eye. Can anyone tell me how I can get some relief from the alternate medicine field? I have a rife machine and silver generator and am hurting like everything -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
