Re: CSJuice fasts...
Jason, You suggested researching the issue of lipid replacement therapy (in regard to loosing weight etc, as you have written below). As there is quite a lot of info on this subject which comes up when one does a Google search on Lipid Replacement Therapy, perhaps you would be willing to give us a few leads to relevant articles which you may have come across. Otherwise, it seems a bit like finding a needle in a haystack. Thanks, Dan On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi Mike: I agree with Bob, here. I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from doing a cleansing diet who could benefit from such a regime. There is a problem for some eating foods that are too cooling; this probably isn't you, however. Rather than just approach the issue with fruits/veggies, I do recommend a balanced meal, though... which isn't as difficult as it may seem. Adding undenatured whey protein rather than eggs is a good idea, for example. Also, rather than adding fish, consider balancing your fats. I've seen unbelievable results with lipid replacement therapy. Lipid replacement therapy will also take care of your willpower problems, as the body works to get over carb addiction. Drinking copious amounts of lemon water will also knock sugar cravings down, and make life a bit more comfortable handling detox reactions... the lemon is a blood and liver cleanser, as well as an alkalizing agent. Lipid replacement therapy results in a vast reduction in appetite. As the body literally ejects bad fats in favor of high quality fats, toxins are also removed (stored in fat). The body's cleansing processes become a priority, reducing appetite, almost like a herx reaction. The reaction can be managed simply by adjusting the amount lipids taken (for thiry days, I took lipids 3X daily... lost too much weight, had to normalize intake). Individuals who do things like 1+ tablespoonfuls of coconut oil are doing lipid replacement therapy. Spend some time researching this issue and I think you'll find it fascinating. I started studying it because I was running into some neurological problems. 30 days of lipid balancing and all of the problems were gone. Fatty acid and amino acid based therapies can be amazing. For my morning smoothy I use undenatured whey protein, almond milk, 1 tbs 4:1 ratio of organic sunflower oil and flax seed oil, and then my choice of antioxidants (a bit of fruit). You can easily adopt the above ideology to a veggie/fruit drink, keeping in mind that it is a very good idea to get enough dietary protein and fat in the morning... It takes fat to burn fat. In my opinion, it might be a better strategy to develop a health-supporting breakfast, a cleansing lunch (your veggie/fruit cleansing drink), and a light dinner as a regular lifestyle, once your done fasting. Too many people yo-yo. The trick is to break the body's addiction, and allow it to pass. ~Jason On 2/5/2013 6:25 PM, Bob Banever wrote: PT… Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing “cooks” the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Where did you get your acupuncture training? I taught for 6 years at The New England School of Acupuncture. Cheers. *From:*PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSJuice fasts... Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT *From:*M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM *Subject
Re: CSJuice fasts...
Hi Dan: Good point! Some clarifications, also: We all know that the only way to reduce weight is to restrict carbs/calories and/or increase physical activity, so I'm not suggesting that using lipid replacement therapy alone is the single simple solution. However, individuals who, through lifestyle decisions, gained those extra pounds will nearly always have very imbalanced lipid profiles. Using lipid replacement therapy along with a cleansing diet, etc., may help reduce carb cravings due to the cleansing process which this therapy induces. A basic intro article on lipids: http://www.greenclays.com/earthcures/essential-fatty-acids-golden-ratio-royalty-oils/ Understanding how proper lipids may impact brain/neurological health: http://www.bodybio.com/BodyBio/docs/BodyBioBulletin-TheInsideStoryofOmega3FattyAcids.pdf Understanding vital fats: http://www.bodybio.com/BodyBio/docs/BodyBioBulletin-4to1Oil.pdf Toxicity can be a huge part of weight retention: http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Lipids,_fats_and_essential_fatty_acids ...and finally, weight loss through lipid replacement: http://functionalfoodscenter.net/files/49450833.pdf when the body no longer craves carbs and sugar, then managing one's BMI becomes much, much easier. ~Jason On 2/12/2013 9:42 AM, Dan Nave wrote: Jason, You suggested researching the issue of lipid replacement therapy (in regard to loosing weight etc, as you have written below). As there is quite a lot of info on this subject which comes up when one does a Google search on Lipid Replacement Therapy, perhaps you would be willing to give us a few leads to relevant articles which you may have come across. Otherwise, it seems a bit like finding a needle in a haystack. Thanks, Dan On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi Mike: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
I'm glad you're having this discussion, folks, as I've been looking at Dr. Wilson's page on yin/yang that Carol kindly posted, and it's hard to reconcile a lot of it with what I'm understanding about what's healthy and what's not. I get the impression (s)he's torturing things a bit to force them into a western and/or scientific framework, and it's losing something in the translation. I'll check out a few more pages from Dr. Wilson's site, just to see if it comes together more... And then check out these sources you've come up with, Dan. Interesting stuff! Thanks! Mike D. On Thu, 2013-02-07 at 12:58 -0600, Dan Nave wrote: I have to cite a source to have any credibility in this, so this is one I found on the net which is more in line with my understanding of yin and yang: http://www.tcmbasics.com/basics_yinyang.htm “Generally, anything that is moving, ascending, bright, progressing, hyperactive, including functional disease of the body, pertains to yang. http://www.tcmbasics.com/basics_yinyang.htm The characteristics of stillness, descending, darkness, degeneration, hypoactivity, including organic disease, pertain to yin.” (Definition) http://www.gsmcweb.com/?p=156 “Functional Symptoms vs. Organic Disease Many, if not most, health complaints are termed functional, meaning that no known associated organic or pathological tissue changes can be found by the physician investigating possible causes of the symptoms. Functional symptoms can include headaches, fatigue, insomnia, irritability, abdominal pain, indigestion, low back pain, or simply not feeling well. Organic or pathological disease are terms used to describe more advanced stages of disease that are accompanied by physical, cellular changes that can be identified by diagnostic testing. Examples of organic diseases include cancer, arthritis, heart disease, gastric ulcers, and emphysema.” Contradicting this is Dr Wilson’s description: http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm “Yang tends to be more contracted, more dense, condensing, increasing in mass,”…” and often more physical.” “Yang tends to be inward-moving or centripetal. It is also generally downward-moving toward the center of the earth.“ “Yin tends to be more expanded, evaporating, less dense, more chaotic, less massive, and in some cases more ethereal.” ““In contrast, yin tends to be more outward-moving, split apart or centrifugal. It also tends to be upward moving away from the earth.” Then he gives a rule which is not supported in any interpretation of yin or yang that I know of, and then shows that is the case in about half of his examples, and not in the other half. So, not a great theory: “Yang tends to be a lower frequency or slower moving waves, while yin tends to be a higher frequency of energy or faster moving waves of energy. This is not always the case, but it is often true.” Another bogus rule: “In contrast, yin tends to be more outward-moving, split apart or centrifugal. It also tends to be upward moving away from the earth.” “For example, foods that grow up in the air on trees, such as fruits, are further away from the earth and this is one reason they tend to be more yin. Root vegetables are much more yang, in part because they grow under the earth.” http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm “What are yin and yang? A general introduction to the concept is to understand them as follows: • Qualities of matter. Yang tends to be more contracted, more dense, condensing, increasing in mass, warm with more internal heat, dryer and often more physical. Yin tends to be more expanded, evaporating, less dense, more chaotic, less massive, cold, dampand in some cases more ethereal. For example, water is more yin, while land is more yang. The warm tropics are more yang, while the areas near the north and south poles are far more yin because they are cold. • Frequencies of energies. Yang tends to be a lower frequency or slower moving waves, while yin tends to be a higher frequency of energy or faster moving waves of energy. This is not always the case, but it is often true. For example, the color red is a lower frequency and more yang, while the color blue is a higher frequency and somewhat more yin. Infrared is an even lower frequency and tends to be more yang than red, although infrared contains some frequencies that are yin as well, so this criteria is variable. • Directions of movement. Yang tends to be inward-moving or centripetal. It is also generally downward-moving toward the center of the earth. In contrast, yin tends to be more outward-moving, split apart or centrifugal. It also tends to beupward moving away from the earth. Once again, this is not always true, but is often the case. For example, foods that
Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
Hi There Mike it is good to have you back and active I sincerely hope you are fully back on track. I think most do not understand how energy works, it comes and goes - it changes from minute to minute depending upon what is gong on with the other aspects of the body, be it emotions, physical well being, and more - anything out of balance is not good, juice fasts, water fasts are all good and beneficial to the body for certain maladies, occasions and more - nothing to do with the body is a given - this is why I have chosen not to be so aggressive towards doctors who think, and play, at being Gods !They are trained along certain lines and those lines are all in boxes which deter flexibility, change and the unexpected The are actually working in a loaded mine field ! I personally think it is a huge part of taking responsibility for self that we all educate ourselves on how our body works, to become aware of how our body feels at all times, so that we can have a good idea of what is wrong - doctors do not live in our bodies so how can they really KNOW what is going on with us.I am very sorry to say that this is, in my humble opinion, grossly overlooked and needs to be addressed. In our world of today there is so much good information out there on the Internet into which we can tap to get the knowledge we need to take care of ourselves that there is little excuse for those who put their trust and faith in doctors allowing them to behave and think they are in fact God, and taking no responsibility for their own ailments - sorry guys if I have stepped on anyone's toes however it is something which I feel very strongly about as no doubt this epistle has shown !We are very important players in our health care ! Cheers to all Sandee Attitude is everything ! AliveAgainSilver - Drops Gel sandeemagic.organogold.com OVERSTOCK iPads: $33.93 Get New Apple iPads for $33.93! Limit One Per Customer. Get One Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51156fb8133f26fb73d15st04duc
Re: CSJuice fasts...
Sorry bob, but it makes perfect sense to me, having embarked on various vegetable only diets - and feeling like rubbish. dee From: bob Larson bobli...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:59:25 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:56:44 -0800 ...wrong wrong wrong... I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
Hi Mike Dr Wilson has a really good website that I find myself referring to frequently. Here is his article on Yin and Yang healing Hope this helps: http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm - FROM: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com TO: silver-list@eskimo.com SENT: Wed, February 6, 2013 11:27:12 AM SUBJECT: Re: CSJuice fasts... PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org [1] Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html [2] Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Links: -- [1] http://www.silverlist.org [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Carol Maple Springs Farm http://www.maplesprings.com http://www.maplespringsfarm.com
RE: CSJuice fasts...
Dee, Vegetables are real food used for nourishment as well as cleansing. I don't know where you read they are only for detox, but it is wrong. Veggies contain minerals, vitamins, and enzymes as well as some protein. They are a necessary part of everyone's diet. In fact the bulk of your diet should be based on plants, not animals. Bob -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Sorry bob, but it makes perfect sense to me, having embarked on various vegetable only diets - and feeling like rubbish. dee From: bob Larson bobli...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:59:25 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:56:44 -0800 ...wrong wrong wrong... I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
I'm not an expert of course, but much of what he says about yin and yang does not seem to be consistent with my understanding of yin and yang. It seems to be difficult to make generalities about yin and yang that don't appear contradictory at some point. Dan On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com wrote: Hi Mike Dr Wilson has a really good website that I find myself referring to frequently. Here is his article on Yin and Yang healing Hope this helps: http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm - FROM: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com TO: silver-list@eskimo.com SENT: Wed, February 6, 2013 11:27:12 AM SUBJECT: Re: CSJuice fasts... PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
Dan what was your understanding/interpretation of yin and yang? I musta missed it. On 07.02.2013 12:49, Dan Nave wrote: I'm not an expert of course, but much of what he says about yin and yang does not seem to be consistent with my understanding of yin and yang. It seems to be difficult to make generalities about yin and yang that don't appear contradictory at some point. Dan On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com wrote: Hi Mike Dr Wilson has a really good website that I find myself referring to frequently. Here is his article on Yin and Yang healing Hope this helps: http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm - FROM: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com TO: silver-list@eskimo.com SENT: Wed, February 6, 2013 11:27:12 AM SUBJECT: Re: CSJuice fasts... PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Carol Maple Springs Farm http://www.maplesprings.com http://www.maplespringsfarm.com
RE: CSJuice fasts...
...that statement is still wrong. vegetable only diets will leave one lacking for sure, but veges are for nourishment and not only for detox. best to define nourishment as used here i guess? -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Sorry bob, but it makes perfect sense to me, having embarked on various vegetable only diets - and feeling like rubbish. dee From: bob Larson bobli...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:59:25 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:56:44 -0800 ...wrong wrong wrong... I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Exercise is good for loosing the wgt. I walk around 1-2 miles a day but this bitter cold we are having has kept me in and I'm not getting any good exercise and my weight has stabilized. Teri At 10:13 PM 2/5/2013, you wrote: Thanks for the MCT tip Teri one of the manufacurers here I have an account with produces it so I'll try it - do you think we need to do much exercise to fully benefit? Jane I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
I use coconut oil all the time and it never helped with my weight loss. MCT is coconut and palm oil that the MCT portions are refined. Teri At 10:15 PM 2/5/2013, you wrote: Couldn't you just use coconut oil? Jaxi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Jane MacRoss mailto:highfie...@internode.on.nethighfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Thanks for the MCT tip Teri one of the manufacurers here I have an account with produces it so I'll try it - do you think we need to do much exercise to fully benefit? Jane I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.orghttp://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts...
I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, protein is for nourishing and fat and carbs for energy. People who only eat veggies are in a permanent state of detoxing but not getting a lot of nourishment. I think the answer is in the old saying of moderation and balance in everything. dee From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 15:56:50 -0800 (PST) To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 15:56:50 -0800 Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT
CSJuice Fasts and Chelation
Hi Everybody There was a time, ten years ago, when I was a devotee of the Silver List, and I'm happy to be back. At the time I was living in Bangladesh, dedicated to the development of a silver treated, pottery water filter, and now I'm in Kenya. Regarding such filters, we're doing our best here, to implement their production and distribution. Another time, I'll be keen to say more about this, but for now I want to address Mike's questions, regarding 'juice facts.' During the last couple of years, I've been following the, 'Atkins Diet,' which is very basically all about cutting out sugar and carbohydrates, as well as the importance of taking in protein. I recently heard about a guy who was eating fruit only, who died, seemingly as a result of no protein! Needless to say, the protein is important, and for this I eat fish and nuts. I avoid beef, pork and chicken, because I'm somehow convinced that these can lead to bouts of arthritis. Meanwhile, I've lost thirty pounds, as a result of the constraints on carbohydrates and sugar! About willpower, I got so mentally sick of the arthritis and the over weight, that I did have a lot of motivation. About the immediate reaction of family, and others, I want to mention another issue, and that is that I'm variously told that my face is somehow blue. Back in Bangladesh, and subsequently in Nepal, and parts of Africa, I was making colloidal silver, using a 500ml. beaker, two silver wires, 1.2 cms. apart, and three nine volt batteries. I seem to have made the mistake of drinking CS that was a bit yellowish. There were also three or four times when I put a dozen drops, in a glass of water, of Mexican made, Microdyn. Microdyn is 3,200ppm, and is sold for the purpose of washing salad vegetables, but Mexican do as I had done, using it in drops, as a curative. ...Can anyone give me some ideas about chelation, for taking away the blue? A friend had suggested that I drink distilled water, and I recalled that this is said to leach out various material. Then I got to wondering whether it would have this affect, if I were to put it on a cloth, and onto my face? ...Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D.
Re: CSJuice fasts...
Re: CSJuice fasts...Aw - my bad - I was just saying what I had done - not what I had read or thought Jane _ I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, protein is for nourishing and fat and carbs for energy. People who only eat veggies are in a permanent state of detoxing but not getting a lot of nourishment. I think the answer is in the old saying of moderation and balance in everything. dee
Re: CSJuice Fasts and Chelation
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:48 AM, A. Reid Harvey reidhar...@hotmail.comwrote: Can anyone give me some ideas about chelation, for taking away the blue? A friend had suggested that I drink distilled water, and I recalled that this is said to leach out various material. Then I got to wondering whether it would have this affect, if I were to put it on a cloth, and onto my face? frequent-dose-chelat...@yahoogroups.com is a good group to pose your question. They are dedicated to chelating heavy metals and mercury, maybe there's a solution to your problem. One must chelate properly to quickly pass the metals out of the body instead of having them circulate through the body which can do more harm than good. http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol#Basics is a good place to begin. Olushola
RE: CSJuice Fasts and Chelation
A. Reid Harvey wrote: During the last couple of years, I've been following the, 'Atkins Diet,' which is very basically all about cutting out sugar and carbohydrates, as well as the importance of taking in protein. I recently heard about a guy who was eating fruit only, who died, seemingly as a result of no protein! Needless to say, the protein is important, and for this I eat fish and nuts. I avoid beef, pork and chicken, because I'm somehow convinced that these can lead to bouts of arthritis. Meanwhile, I've lost thirty pounds, as a result of the constraints on carbohydrates and sugar! About willpower, I got so mentally sick of the arthritis and the over weight, that I did have a lot of motivation. --- Reid, I am so glad you posted! I just started Atkins and feel better without any high-sugar carbs as well. (For those who don't know, the Atkins Induction program allows up to 16 ounces of animal protein, 3 teaspoons of additional vegetable oils, and no more than 20 grams of allowed carbs from veggies, a day. The allowed veggies are all types of salad greens, and a few higher-starch veggies such as cabbage, cauliflower, and tomato. Look on the web for more information.) I wanted to say a few things about juice fasting. Many people cannot do it because they are too ill; they need good fats, which nourish the brain and nervous system. Also, for some, fruit is too sweet. The liver can process only so much fructose at a time, which then turns to body fat. Glucose affects the body much more gently than fructose. I make myself green smoothies, which not only is comprised of veggies and NO fruit, but I blend everything, including the pulp, in my Vita Mix. The pulp has many important functions, including slowing down the rate of absorption, and cleaning out the colon. Read Victoria Boutenko's book Green Smoothies. Drinking the pulp makes a lot of sense. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011) Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification http://www.nenahsylver.com www.nenahsylver.com; http://www.rifehandbook.com www.rifehandbook.com
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PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I am on the Tropical Traditions mailing list, and a couple times a year they run one day specials of free shipping. A 5 gallon container of coconut with free shipping is a very good deal! sol Jane MacRoss wrote: Me too! Much cheaper I buy 10kg but even those buckets cost $150 delivered = $7:50/lb - the MCT oil is $17/pint ... would there be anything else in the MCT? // Jane I buy coconut oil by the gallon ... seems like it would cost less in the long run. :-) Jaxi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Agree. I saw a man in Mexico go blind in one eye when something broke loose from the IV EDTA and lodged in his eye. Another guy did not need glasses after chelation cleared something that blocked his eyesight. I always did DR Clarks kidney cleanse prior to an IV Chelation. My first chelation I passed 18 kidney stones and stopped counting as that showed me that chelations were helping me. I do have Gout so chelations work for me. I always made sure my urine output was 32 ounces per day or more like Clark recommended, parsley tea worked for me I now use my own chelator following Make my own Chelator on U tube. Brickey In a message dated 2/6/2013 3:52:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, camaramah...@gmail.com writes: One must chelate properly to quickly pass the metals out of the body instead of having them circulate through the body which can do more harm than good. _http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol#Basics_ (http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol#Basics) is a good place to begin.
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Our local Costco is now selling coconut oil for $20 per gallon. I think that beats Tropical Traditions price. Brickey In a message dated 2/6/2013 10:17:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: I am on the Tropical Traditions mailing list, and a couple times a year they run one day specials of free shipping. A 5 gallon container of coconut with free shipping is a very good deal! sol
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Bob wrote: Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing cooks the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Bob, I completely agree with you about raw food being cold to the body. I love blending my salads and adore leafy green salads, but I always feel better when I eat cooked meat and some cooked veggies too. This is one reason I take issue with raw foodists (or any dogmatic position on what one should be eating). In my experience, most raw foodists have acted as though that way of eating will help everyone, and that if you can't do it, keep on doing it until you feel better. But some people NEVER get better from a completely raw diet, especially a raw vegetarian diet. Nenah
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I agree that raw is good for cleansing but not for building so much especially if you are type O blood, then you need the animal protein to be strong and healthy it seems. also our soil is not as good as it once was they say so veggies don't have all the vitamins and minerals they once did. finally if you're ill you might not be absorbing all the food and then the more work your body does to digest and eliminate, the more tired you may get. Jess From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Bob wrote: Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing cooks the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Bob, I completely agree with you about raw food being cold to the body. I love blending my salads and adore leafy green salads, but I always feel better when I eat cooked meat and some cooked veggies too. This is one reason I take issue with raw foodists (or any dogmatic position on what one should be eating). In my experience, most raw foodists have acted as though that way of eating will help everyone, and that if you can't do it, keep on doing it until you feel better. But some people NEVER get better from a completely raw diet, especially a raw vegetarian diet. Nenah
Re: coconut oil, was Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
I've been getting Nutiva VCO from Swanson's which is more expensive, but the flavor is VERY mild which we like. How is the flavor of Tropical Traditions? (We do't have Costco in upstate NY) Be well, Léna On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:27 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: Our local Costco is now selling coconut oil for $20 per gallon. I think that beats Tropical Traditions price. Brickey In a message dated 2/6/2013 10:17:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: I am on the Tropical Traditions mailing list, and a couple times a year they run one day specials of free shipping. A 5 gallon container of coconut with free shipping is a very good deal! sol
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...wrong wrong wrong... I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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We have been using Tropical Traditions coconut oils for many many years. We get both the Virgin Coconut Oil ( http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/virgin_coconut_oil.htm ) and the Expeller-Pressed Coconut Oil. We use the expeller one for cooking fat, anything from when we are cooking a fried egg to cooking a large stir fry meal (http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/expeller-pressed_coconut_oil.htm)l. We use the Virgin oil for eating on bread or anything else where we will taste the oil. The Expeller really doesn't have much taste (if any), Read the pages on both of them to see the differences. the consumer comments are also useful. and also, they do have sales from time to time: good to watch out for. We have found them very good to do business with: www.tropicaltraditions.com/ Joyce Miller -- I felt that the idea could be caught, but I did not think it could be taught.* **With Head and Heart,The Autobiography of Howard Thurman* http://dearjubilee.com http://airedalesinourlives.blogspot.com/ http://dearjubilee-joyce.blogspot.com http://myjubilejubilee.blogspot.com
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That would depend on the quality, Brickey. PT From: brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 1:28:10 PM Subject: Re: coconut oil, was Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts... Our local Costco is now selling coconut oil for $20 per gallon. I think that beats Tropical Traditions price. Brickey In a message dated 2/6/2013 10:17:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: I am onthe Tropical Traditions mailing list, and a couple times a year they runone day specials of free shipping. A 5 gallon container of coconut withfree shipping is a very good deal! sol
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I have found the Coconut Oil Supreme from Coconut Oil online to have almost no taste at all. I would recommend it to anyone. PT From: Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 3:40:46 PM Subject: Re: coconut oil, was Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts... I've been getting Nutiva VCO from Swanson's which is more expensive, but the flavor is VERY mild which we like. How is the flavor of Tropical Traditions? (We do't have Costco in upstate NY) Be well, Léna On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:27 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: Our local Costco is now selling coconut oil for $20 per gallon. I think that beats Tropical Traditions price. Brickey In a message dated 2/6/2013 10:17:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: I am onthe Tropical Traditions mailing list, and a couple times a year they runone day specials of free shipping. A 5 gallon container of coconut withfree shipping is a very good deal! sol
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Perhaps Bob can help here as he taught at NESA. Discriminating between full Fire and empty Fire is a skill as they are often mingled as well. If you are wanting to read more you could google Yin Deficiency Fire and Yang Fire. I'm sure you will get lots of hits. PT From: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 11:27:12 AM Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I don't have a local Costco. Sure wish I did. I'd trade the wally world in a heartbeat for a Costco. sol brick...@aol.com wrote: Our local Costco is now selling coconut oil for $20 per gallon. I think that beats Tropical Traditions price. Brickey In a message dated 2/6/2013 10:17:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: I am on the Tropical Traditions mailing list, and a couple times a year they run one day specials of free shipping. A 5 gallon container of coconut with free shipping is a very good deal! sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Lena, I get the Tropical Traditions expeller process which has no odor and no coconut flavor. I got so I would nearly puke at the smell of virgin coconut oil and couldn't use it at all. Nutiva if memory serves was milder than either Tropical Traditions or Wilderness Family extra virgin coconut oils, but I doubt I could use it now. sol Lena Guyot wrote: I've been getting Nutiva VCO from Swanson's which is more expensive, but the flavor is VERY mild which we like. How is the flavor of Tropical Traditions? (We do't have Costco in upstate NY) Be well, Léna -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have never bought from this seller, but the information on the different coconut oils is very interesting: http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/information-on-coconut-oil-processes.php and this article by Bruce Fife is interesting on choosing a coconut oil: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/coconut7.php Joyce Miller -- I felt that the idea could be caught, but I did not think it could be taught.* **With Head and Heart,The Autobiography of Howard Thurman* http://dearjubilee.com http://airedalesinourlives.blogspot.com/ http://dearjubilee-joyce.blogspot.com http://myjubilejubilee.blogspot.com
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Hi Joyce, Thanks for the info! Except for a little olive oil on salads once in a while, we use VCO exclusively and love it. Youtube has an interesting series on a Dr. treating her Alzheimer's husband with VCO, too. Feeds affected brain cells more effectively than glucose. Be well, Léna On Feb 6, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Joyce Miller wrote: We have been using Tropical Traditions coconut oils for many many years. We get both the Virgin Coconut Oil ( http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/virgin_coconut_oil.htm ) and the Expeller-Pressed Coconut Oil. We use the expeller one for cooking fat, anything from when we are cooking a fried egg to cooking a large stir fry meal (http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/expeller-pressed_coconut_oil.htm)l. We use the Virgin oil for eating on bread or anything else where we will taste the oil. The Expeller really doesn't have much taste (if any), Read the pages on both of them to see the differences. the consumer comments are also useful. and also, they do have sales from time to time: good to watch out for. We have found them very good to do business with: www.tropicaltraditions.com/ Joyce Miller -- I felt that the idea could be caught, but I did not think it could be taught. With Head and Heart,The Autobiography of Howard Thurman http://dearjubilee.com http://airedalesinourlives.blogspot.com/ http://dearjubilee-joyce.blogspot.com http://myjubilejubilee.blogspot.com
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Thanks PT, I'm going to research prices tonight. I have one unopened 54oz. Nutiva left, so it's time to order more VCO. Be well, Léna On Feb 6, 2013, at 5:30 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: I have found the Coconut Oil Supreme from Coconut Oil online to have almost no taste at all. I would recommend it to anyone. PT From: Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 3:40:46 PM Subject: Re: coconut oil, was Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts... I've been getting Nutiva VCO from Swanson's which is more expensive, but the flavor is VERY mild which we like. How is the flavor of Tropical Traditions? (We do't have Costco in upstate NY) Be well, Léna On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:27 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: Our local Costco is now selling coconut oil for $20 per gallon. I think that beats Tropical Traditions price. Brickey In a message dated 2/6/2013 10:17:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: I am on the Tropical Traditions mailing list, and a couple times a year they run one day specials of free shipping. A 5 gallon container of coconut with free shipping is a very good deal! sol
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Hi Nenah, Yes it's true some people do worse with a raw food diet, vegetarian or otherwise. It is most important to chew our food well so as to warm and digest most of it before it goes into the stomach. It becomes much easier for us to assimilate that way and places less stress on our body. If everyone would simply masticate their food 20, 30 or more times before swallowing we would have a more peaceful world. Cheers. _ From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Bob wrote: Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing cooks the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Bob, I completely agree with you about raw food being cold to the body. I love blending my salads and adore leafy green salads, but I always feel better when I eat cooked meat and some cooked veggies too. This is one reason I take issue with raw foodists (or any dogmatic position on what one should be eating). In my experience, most raw foodists have acted as though that way of eating will help everyone, and that if you can't do it, keep on doing it until you feel better. But some people NEVER get better from a completely raw diet, especially a raw vegetarian diet. Nenah
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Hmmm. I'll ruminate on that! =) In macrobiotics, they always said 'chew your drink and drink your food'. Be well, Léna On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Bob Banever wrote: Hi Nenah, Yes it’s true some people do worse with a raw food diet, vegetarian or otherwise. It is most important to chew our food well so as to warm and digest most of it before it goes into the stomach. It becomes much easier for us to assimilate that way and places less stress on our body. If everyone would simply masticate their food 20, 30 or more times before swallowing we would have a more peaceful world. Cheers. From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Bob wrote: Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing “cooks” the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Bob, I completely agree with you about raw food being cold to the body. I love blending my salads and adore leafy green salads, but I always feel better when I eat cooked meat and some cooked veggies too. This is one reason I take issue with raw foodists (or any dogmatic position on what one “should” be eating). In my experience, most raw foodists have acted as though that way of eating will help everyone, and that if you can’t do it, keep on doing it until you feel better. But some people NEVER get better from a completely raw diet, especially a raw vegetarian diet. Nenah
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Lena, I was a strict macrobiotic while living in Boston going to college. Studied with Michio Kushi for several years. Some of the things they practice make sense! Bob _ From: Lena Guyot [mailto:drumr...@stny.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 3:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Hmmm. I'll ruminate on that! =) In macrobiotics, they always said 'chew your drink and drink your food'. Be well, Léna On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Bob Banever wrote: Hi Nenah, Yes its true some people do worse with a raw food diet, vegetarian or otherwise. It is most important to chew our food well so as to warm and digest most of it before it goes into the stomach. It becomes much easier for us to assimilate that way and places less stress on our body. If everyone would simply masticate their food 20, 30 or more times before swallowing we would have a more peaceful world. Cheers. _ From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Bob wrote: Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing cooks the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Bob, I completely agree with you about raw food being cold to the body. I love blending my salads and adore leafy green salads, but I always feel better when I eat cooked meat and some cooked veggies too. This is one reason I take issue with raw foodists (or any dogmatic position on what one should be eating). In my experience, most raw foodists have acted as though that way of eating will help everyone, and that if you cant do it, keep on doing it until you feel better. But some people NEVER get better from a completely raw diet, especially a raw vegetarian diet. Nenah
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I would suggest the movie May I Be Frank and all of the Cafe Gratitude books and restaurants are excellent sources for all things raw and veggie. From: mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:36:47 -0500 Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Interesting that you bring this up Mike as I just started a juice diet today. I have someone on another list that has used juice fasts to lose weight successfully. What I am doing is juicing for lunch and dinner and having a Garden of Life shake first thing in the a.m. I mix this with hemp powder, pomegranate juice, coconut water, pineapple and a banana. I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. Teri At 04:36 PM 2/5/2013, you wrote: Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT From: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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PT. Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing cooks the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Where did you get your acupuncture training? I taught for 6 years at The New England School of Acupuncture. Cheers. _ From: PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT _ From: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Mike: I agree with Bob, here. I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from doing a cleansing diet who could benefit from such a regime. There is a problem for some eating foods that are too cooling; this probably isn't you, however. Rather than just approach the issue with fruits/veggies, I do recommend a balanced meal, though... which isn't as difficult as it may seem. Adding undenatured whey protein rather than eggs is a good idea, for example. Also, rather than adding fish, consider balancing your fats. I've seen unbelievable results with lipid replacement therapy. Lipid replacement therapy will also take care of your willpower problems, as the body works to get over carb addiction. Drinking copious amounts of lemon water will also knock sugar cravings down, and make life a bit more comfortable handling detox reactions... the lemon is a blood and liver cleanser, as well as an alkalizing agent. Lipid replacement therapy results in a vast reduction in appetite. As the body literally ejects bad fats in favor of high quality fats, toxins are also removed (stored in fat). The body's cleansing processes become a priority, reducing appetite, almost like a herx reaction. The reaction can be managed simply by adjusting the amount lipids taken (for thiry days, I took lipids 3X daily... lost too much weight, had to normalize intake). Individuals who do things like 1+ tablespoonfuls of coconut oil are doing lipid replacement therapy. Spend some time researching this issue and I think you'll find it fascinating. I started studying it because I was running into some neurological problems. 30 days of lipid balancing and all of the problems were gone. Fatty acid and amino acid based therapies can be amazing. For my morning smoothy I use undenatured whey protein, almond milk, 1 tbs 4:1 ratio of organic sunflower oil and flax seed oil, and then my choice of antioxidants (a bit of fruit). You can easily adopt the above ideology to a veggie/fruit drink, keeping in mind that it is a very good idea to get enough dietary protein and fat in the morning... It takes fat to burn fat. In my opinion, it might be a better strategy to develop a health-supporting breakfast, a cleansing lunch (your veggie/fruit cleansing drink), and a light dinner as a regular lifestyle, once your done fasting. Too many people yo-yo. The trick is to break the body's addiction, and allow it to pass. ~Jason On 2/5/2013 6:25 PM, Bob Banever wrote: PT… Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing “cooks” the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Where did you get your acupuncture training? I taught for 6 years at The New England School of Acupuncture. Cheers. *From:*PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSJuice fasts... Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT *From:*M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM *Subject:* CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I
Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Thanks for the MCT tip Teri one of the manufacurers here I have an account with produces it so I'll try it - do you think we need to do much exercise to fully benefit? Jane I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extermist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. PT From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 9:25:39 PM Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... PT… Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing “cooks” the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Where did you get your acupuncture training? I taught for 6 years at The New England School of Acupuncture. Cheers. From:PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT From:M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Couldn't you just use coconut oil? Jaxi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: Thanks for the MCT tip Teri one of the manufacurers here I have an account with produces it so I'll try it - do you think we need to do much exercise to fully benefit? Jane I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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There's a movie called 'Fat Sick and Nearly Dead'. An overweight Austrailian does a juice fast, on a trip across America. It can be watched free on Hulu. http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/ http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122 -Original Message- From: M.G. Devour Sent: Tuesday, 05 February, 2013 15:36 To: silver-list Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Having read the blurb I'd say you probably could Jaxi, yes. // Jane _ Couldn't you just use coconut oil? Jaxi
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
I buy coconut oil by the gallon ... seems like it would cost less in the long run. :-) Jaxi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: ** Having read the blurb I'd say you probably could Jaxi, yes. // Jane _ Couldn't you just use coconut oil? Jaxi
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Me too! Much cheaper I buy 10kg but even those buckets cost $150 delivered = $7:50/lb - the MCT oil is $17/pint ... would there be anything else in the MCT? // Jane I buy coconut oil by the gallon ... seems like it would cost less in the long run. :-) Jaxi
