Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Jay Hunter]

As if by some cruel and dirty trick, my first sailplane was the FVK
bandit.  In incredibly difficult plane for a first timer.  NASTY
tipstalls especially with 8 sub c cells.  The good thing?  Is learned
how to FLY sailplanes/hotliners much faster than I would have with out
this horrible flying thing of a majig
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[RCSE] Favorite Plane

[David Schat]

Gotta' be the Aquila for me had three of them as an adolescent.
It's been almost 30 years since but I'll never forget my trip dwon the cliff 
at Torrey Pines to retrieve my downed Aquila from Black's Beach. I was a 
naive teenage country bumpkin... halfway down the cliff I swore all the 
folks on the beach had the same color bathing suits until I reached beach 
level.

Needless to say it took much longer than it should have to retrieve the 
model  ;- ) 

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RE: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Buddy Roos]

My first sailplane (and first RC plane) was a Hobie
Hawk with a Kraft 2 channel brick. My brother bought a
Graupner Cirrus at the same time and we went out to fly
them without a clue as to how to do it. We had never
even seen an RC sailplane fly. Some way, we figured out
how to launch on a hi-start and started flying.

After flying for a month without ever catching a
thermal, we were really getting discouraged. We had
probably flown through hundreds of thermals but didn't
know how to recognize them. I told my brother that free
flight planes caught thermals all the time and all they
did was go up and go into a circle. So...The next
flight I launched my Hobie Hawk, trimmed in a little
left and a little up to put it into a circle, put my
transmitter down on the ground and watched.

After a few turns, I remarked to my brother that it
didn't seem to be coming down! It centered a nice
thermal and started going up. We watched it go higher
and higher for 30 minutes without picking up the
transmitter. At 30 minutes it disappeared into a cloud
and my heart rate doubled in the next 5 seconds. I
grabbed the transmitter and dove it back down out of
the cloud and brought it in for a safe landing.

That was almost 30 years ago and I'm still flying
sailplanes! And I still have that Hobie Hawk plus a few
more to keep it company.

Buddy Roos




-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:40 PM
To: 5-Soaring Forum
Subject: [RCSE] First Sailplane


How many can remember their very first R/C sailplane?
Mine was one of
the first Oly 650's. Wish I still had it for posterity,
but elected to
fly another aircraft while a newbie flew my Oly, bad
idea...
--
Simon Van Leeuwen
RADIUS SYSTEMS
PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice
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[RCSE] RE: Leading Edge Sting Wing

[Nathan Woods]

Doug, the StingWing is a really fast rigidly built foam wing.  Superb
performance for great front side air, and it will DS, but it's a bit
slippery for that (not much camber in the airfoil from what I can tell).

You will get a very high quality kit and great service from LEG.  An
absolutely safe buy.

Cheers,

Nathan Woods
-
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:26:27 -0600
From: douglent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Leading Edge Sting Wing

Has anyone had experience with the Leading Edge Sting Wing? I'd like
some information before I buy.


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Re: [RCSE] Magic Airfoil

[Ken Leamy]

Thank you all for the info. It was a lot of help


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:00:19 -0500, Michael Lachowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The originals were the FX60-100.  T-tail vintage models.
> 
> Later it was changed to the WA01 which was thined something or other.
> Those were in the 8-9% thick range.
> 
> And at the end, there were some thinned down to 6%.
> 
> 
> 
> Phil Barnes wrote:
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Lighthorse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>Does anyone know what the airfoil of the Magic is?
> >
> >
> > It's the FX60-100. It was actually printed in the back of the 1994-1995 NSP
> > catalog, listed as 3.35% camber and 9.97% thickness.
> >
> > At some later date Frank thinned this airfoil to 6% for the "6% Magic".
> >
> > Phil
> >
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-- 
Ken
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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Bill & Bunny Kuhlman]

An Ecktronics Nomad was my first RC 'ship, circa 1960. Inside was a 
Citizenship LT-3 receiver running off two AA batteries and driving a 
Bonner escapement to control the rudder. The transmitter was a CG 
Venus. (Do they even _make_ 67 1/2 volt batteries any more?) Still 
have everything but the Nomad. Did a lot of slope soaring with mine, 
but also got it in the air with a high start of strip rubber, and a 
couple of times with a removable power pod (Cox .020).

I still have the plans for the Nomad and have recently been 
contemplating building one with an FMA Direct M-5 and two micro 
servos for rudder and elevator. As the original Nomad had the option 
of elevator - driven by the rudder escapement - this isn't too far 
off track.

At Purdue University in 1963-64, I built an entirely sheet balsa 
sailplane patterned after a German RC design published in an 
Aeromodeler Annual. (Still have the Annual, too.) High start launches 
only. Not too impressive, even at the time. But I found out just a 
few years ago that Frank Deis, winner of one of the first NATS 
soaring events, credited me with getting him started in RC soaring.

Our first tailless sailplane was Dave Jones' Raven which we built in 
1984 and which we still manage to take out and fly every once in a 
while. And we haven't built a horizontal stabilizer for ourselves 
since then.

Butyrate dope and Ambroid glue still produce aromas which carry a lot 
of memories. How do four and a half decades go by so fast?

--
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[RCSE] Re First Sailplane

[A.B. Lyles]

A Canyon Schweizer 1-26.  Made at Canyon ,TX .  Made out of foam and 
aluminum tubing, 72 in span.  Put a cox .09 engine on it to take it up 1000 
ft or so and glide it back down.  If you hit a strong thermal, hard to get 
it back down.  I also flew it on a slope.  Kraft 72  4 channel radio.

My next real glider was an Oly 88, still fly it sometimes.  Oly kit cost 
about $29 and Kraft radio at least $300.  Used a high start.First radio 
was a Royal Apollo on 27, would not work where I lived,The rudder would keep 
time with the music on local FM radio station!

Good ole days
A.B.
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[RCSE] AMA Election Results

[Loren Blinde]

The AMA election results have been posted to the web 
site:  http://www.modelaircraft.org/

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[RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly.

[Jeff Gortatowsky]

Well I'm not Merrill Brady, being as I am LSF level -2, but I signed up about
two hours ago. :D

Jeff Gortatowsky, flying in Covina, CA with Merill Brady if some SWSA
breathren show up with a winch, or from the HSS site in Costa Mesa CA and
I'll use my own hi-start if no one from HSS is out to unlock the storage
shed. :D

No matter, Ray... Either site, it's still Los Angeles County/Orange County
CA.
Jeff


=
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Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky
La Habra Heights, California 

"Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for 
seven hours, they always come out tender. " - W.C. Fields
"What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch?" - W.C. Fields
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Re: [RCSE] Magic Airfoil

[Michael Lachowski]

The originals were the FX60-100.  T-tail vintage models.
Later it was changed to the WA01 which was thined something or other. 
Those were in the 8-9% thick range.

And at the end, there were some thinned down to 6%.
Phil Barnes wrote:

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From: Lighthorse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anyone know what the airfoil of the Magic is?

It's the FX60-100. It was actually printed in the back of the 1994-1995 NSP
catalog, listed as 3.35% camber and 9.97% thickness.
At some later date Frank thinned this airfoil to 6% for the "6% Magic".
Phil
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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[James V. Bacus]

I had some Janco FF model that I built without CA and was covered with 
tissue and dope, and converted to R/C, (Jammed a Kraft 2 channel brick 
into).  I had a little rig that was similar to a F3J handtow device, but it 
didn't have a pulley, just a handle the string fed through.  Learned to fly 
the hard way, by myself, one crash and slow repair at a time.


At 03:39 PM 11/29/2004, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote:
How many can remember their very first R/C sailplane? Mine was one of the 
first Oly 650's. Wish I still had it for posterity, but elected to fly 
another aircraft while a newbie flew my Oly, bad idea...
--
Simon Van Leeuwen
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PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice
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Re: [RCSE] Looks like JT Plane Pack Bags are back in the game

[Wwing]

In a message dated 11/29/2004 7:08:31 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perfect bags for Pikes, Icons, Extremes, any of the current 3piece wing ships.  Not sure about Sharon's big center panel. Over all length is 60" I think.
Sharon center panel is the best part of 65 inches, just about the same as the length of the Icon fuse...
 
WW

Re: [RCSE] First RC sailplane

[Darwin Garrison]

Hey, Harley!
Yep!  Still here.  Moved back to Ft. Wayne from Cleveland in June and 
have been settling in since then.  Now that I'm not cutting EPP 
constantly, I've got some time to get back to enjoying the hobby.

Looks like I'm going to have to have another couple of Genie "Goodie 
Bags".  Looks like the winter build will see at least three more come 
out of the shop.  I'll e-mail you about that directly later.

Regards,
Darwin
Harley Michaelis wrote:
Hey Darwin. . .good to know you are still alive and kicking!

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[RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly.

[Clarence Ashcraft]

AS THE NEW PRESIDENT OF THE INTERMOUNTAIN 
SILENT FLYERS (IN THE COLD GREY STATE OF UTAH) AS A CLUB THERE WILL BE A WOODY 
CONTEST ON JAN 1 2005..SO RAY SIGN-UP CLUB IMSF AND LET'S HAVE SOME 
FUN
 
 
Clarence AshcraftTransmitter Impound 98,00,02,04[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Home of Soar Utah 2004http://www.silentflyer.org/

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ray 
  Hayes 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:43 
  PM
  Subject: [balsasailplanes] Jan 1, 2005 - 
  National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry 
  Jolly.
  Let's do it again.a National Postal fly in on New Years 
  day for fun.Woody's only with Built up wood flying surfaces, no molded 
  d-tubes,no restriction on spar construction, with or without a fiberglass 
  fuse.No restrictions on the use of thermal sensors or wind 
  meters.Two classes:100" and under and 100" and over, no limit 
  on number of controls.Tasks:  Thermal 
  duration.Longest Flight:Any number of attempts, may fly the same 
  plane in both classes.No landing points requirement.Three Minute 
  Ladder:Each consecutive flight must be greater than the previous flight by 
  3minutes.If consecutive flight is less than three minutes, simply try 
  again.No landing points requirements.Launch by Hi Start or  
  winch.Scoring:Report your longest flight and highest step in the 
  time ladderfor each size class you participated in by email to Ray 
  Hayes.You may be asked for the name and phone # of your 
  timer.Winners will receive respect and applause from the rest of 
  us.Send a photo and forever be immortalized.The rest of us should send 
  a photo also.To make it more interesting, the country will be divided 
  up intoweather regions with winners in each region as describe 
  aboveplus and overall winners in each size class and 
  task.Regions:Region A.All the states touching the Pacific 
  Ocean plus HI, AZ, NM, TX,MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, except Alaska.Region 
  B.OK, MO, AK, TN, KY, NC.Region C  (cold, gray and 
  windy)All the remaining states.I'm willing to keep track of the 
  scores, so let's get out there thisNew Years day and have some fun with 
  our woodys.Get a group together and turn it into a soaring 
  party.To sign up, send an email to me by Friday, 8 pm your local 
  time,December 31st, 2004. with the following info:  your name, city 
  andstate where flights will take place (does not have to be city you 
  residein).To register your scores, email them with photos if 
  possibleno later than Jan. 2, 2005 to me.   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Nothing but fun with our 
  woodys...Ray Hayeshttp://www.skybench.comHome of Wood 
  Crafters
  


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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Dlflem]

a Prophet -- originally designed as an electric.  reverted back to 
glider status.  The actual name for the sailplane was a Lucifer, so 
considering my line of work, this was a good change.
 
caught and rode my first thermal with it -- flew for 45 minutes and was 
totally hooked.
 
Dana

Re: [RCSE] Most fun plane

[Dlflem]

had to be my built-up fuse Alcyone (actually built up by Jim 
Carlton).  My first 6 servo ship.  flew it at the nats first go 
around.  had one flight where i hovered over the field for about a minute 
and a half, not going up, not going down.  plane still flying, but is 
back in JC's stable.
 
Dana

[RCSE] most fun sailplane

[Mickey Sullivan]

My most fun sailplane is my nearly 15 year old 1-26 from Steve Moskal's
plans. It's been skied out in all kinds of weather, plucked out of a lone
standing tree, aerowtowed hundreds of times, sloped, never crashed, seen
dozens of TD contests, even won one one a windy day with winning landing
points and restored about five times. If it doesn't snow tomorrow and I get
off work in time, I'll load her up. It's also one of eight 1-26s that I've
built over the years.

Green air,
Mickey Sullivan

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Re: [RCSE] Re: First Sailplane

[Daniel Juhlin]

First sailplane was a Graupner Dandy, while 
stationed in Germany in the 70s.  Dave Shadel ( a name some may recall) and 
I both learned RC on that bird, and flew it until it wouldn't accept any more 
repairs.  It was a sight to behold, with great globs of Hobbypoxy and 
strips of pantyhose holding it together!  Dave, of course, went on to do 
great things in soaring competition and later F1 pylon, while I still struggle 
to keep from having to break out the epoxy and pantyhose...
 
Dan Juhlin

[RCSE] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual

[Ray Hayes]

My Old Kentucky Home..home of..Ed Franz , just signed up.  It's
going to be a party

Ray Hayes
http://www.skybench.com
Home of Wood Crafters
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From: "Ray Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual


> More sign ups from Grand Rapids.Dennis Hoyle. I'm thinking their
> game plan is mass body heat to create huge thermals..and Connecticut
is
> on the board now with Stuart Hall signed up.  The cold and gray region C
> guys are going have fun on New Years day.  Email your buddies and get them
> lined up for fun in the sun or snow.
>
> Ray Hayes
> http://www.skybench.com
> Home of Wood Crafters
>


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[RCSE] Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual

[Ray Hayes]

More sign ups from Grand Rapids.Dennis Hoyle. I'm thinking their
game plan is mass body heat to create huge thermals..and Connecticut is
on the board now with Stuart Hall signed up.  The cold and gray region C
guys are going have fun on New Years day.  Email your buddies and get them
lined up for fun in the sun or snow.

Ray Hayes
http://www.skybench.com
Home of Wood Crafters


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[RCSE] First Plane

[Stan Myers]

My first plane was in 1972, a Marks Model "Windfree"  Self taught with 
that plane.  Gained 6 oz's in weight from first to last flight.  Any 
guesses why?

Stan
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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Chris Gregg]

My first glider in the UK was a Keilkraft model called the "Invader".  True 
stick and dope construction.  This was around 1957, before the advent of 
remote control.   I would hand tow this thing up, then let it loose and get 
lots of exercise going to retrieve it.  First RC's was a Mark's Models 
'Windfree.'  Had lots of fun with that and a high start till I decided to 
let some kid launch it. He let go of the plane and left little bits of this 
beautiful model all the way down the launch strip.  Next was the 
Aquilla.  Spent many happy hours sloping this model over the cliffs on 
Vancouver Island.

Chris
At 05:25 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote:
Started building a Craftair Windrifter SD-100 in the spring of 1978, and 
then moved off to college in Ft. Wayne Ind. from Michigan and learned to 
fly in L.O.F.T., just wish I could remember which one of the guys was my 
first instructor, but everyone in the club was a huge help with all my 
questions and problems.

Thanks
Mark
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[RCSE] First Plane

[RegDave]

First kit sailplane was a Javelin ~ 1972 (??). Rolled plywood fuselage,  
built up D-tube wing, standard class. Designed and kitted by Bob Boucher of  
Astro-Flight (I think). Got Levels 1 and 2 and then flew it away over the  
mountains out at SBDO at one of our early ISS events. Great plane and very  
rugged.

Most 'fun' first plane was flying the 1st Gentle Lady prototype  built by Al 
fredricks. Al, Dave Fredricks, Carl, Hi Johnson and I all took off  one 
afternoon and found a little arroyo near Sun Valley for the first flight. (I  
think 
Paul Trist was working on the other prototype but couldn't make the outing  
that day.) The plane worked great and we passed the sticks around. No one had  
any idea it was going to be as successful as it proved. We were just a bunch of 
 guys having fun that day.

Al had told Carl the balsa vertical stab  support was too fragile and should 
be changed out for spruce. Carl said he was  already tooled up and couldn't 
change it. After about 7 successful flights, we  snapped off the vertical stab 
in a ground loop and went home.

Carl never  changed to spruce.

- Dave R
 
Jeez - that means I'm the only living survivor of the first flight of the  
Gentle Lady? That's kinda depressing!
 
 
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[RCSE] Congratulations! Gerald

[Rick Eckel]

I'd like to issue a public congratulations to my friend Gerald Baxter of 
Pensacola, Florida (or thereabouts) on achieving his final contest win 
requirement for his LSF Level V achievement at the Sunday Unlimited event 
of the Tangerine Soaring Championship.  Unfortunately his win came at my 
expense but we're still friends anyway  :-).  (If I'd had any brains at 
all I'd have called the contest after round 5 while I still had the lead by 
2 points!)

Nice flying Gerry  That's the way to finish it,  six maxes and plenty 
of landing points to close the deal.

Your Friend
Rick
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Re: [RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd...

[Ray Hayes]

Our first California flyer to registerMerrill Brady,  now Jack W is
going to have to practice...if he wants a chance at nailing Region A.
Doug Adams from Michigan is signed in, the guys in GR equipt their planes
with skies and don't give winter flying a second thought.


Ray Hayes
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Home of Wood Crafters
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Fun Fly Contest. 2nd...


>
>
> There signing up fast.welcome aboard Justin..  Now Jack W has some
> competition in Region A
> Justin Ammon CEO
> EdgeRC Inc
> 480-593-2458
> www.edgerc.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
> Ray Hayes
> http://www.skybench.com
> Home of Wood Crafters
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ray Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:12 PM
> Subject: [RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal
Fun
> Fly Contest. 2nd...
>
>
> > Bill G,
> >
> > Jack Womack beat you to the buzzer. He is complaining about missing some
> > sort of football game, but said he couldn't stand to see us snow bunnies
> > have all the fun to ourselves.   So we have Illinois, Indiana,
> Pennsylvania,
> > Michigan and Texas in the game so far..
> >
> >
> > Ray Hayes
> > http://www.skybench.com
> > Home of Wood Crafters
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > Hey, I'll sign up too, and I'll bring a couple yeahoos out to fly
with
> > me,
> > > who will be identified later.  No slope flying for thermal times
either.
> > We
> > > flew last year, and got stomped :-)
> > >
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Re: [RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd...

[Ray Hayes]

There signing up fast.welcome aboard Justin..  Now Jack W has some
competition in Region A
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Subject: [RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun
Fly Contest. 2nd...


> Bill G,
>
> Jack Womack beat you to the buzzer. He is complaining about missing some
> sort of football game, but said he couldn't stand to see us snow bunnies
> have all the fun to ourselves.   So we have Illinois, Indiana,
Pennsylvania,
> Michigan and Texas in the game so far..
>
>
> Ray Hayes
> http://www.skybench.com
> Home of Wood Crafters
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> Contest. 2nd...
>
>
> > Hey, I'll sign up too, and I'll bring a couple yeahoos out to fly  with
> me,
> > who will be identified later.  No slope flying for thermal times either.
> We
> > flew last year, and got stomped :-)
> >
> >   Bill Grenoble
> >
> > Hawksnest Soaring
> > Shermans Dale, PA
> > Hawksnest Creekers
> >
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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Greg Smith]

Mine was an Early Bird. Kind of a Gentle Lady type plane but with a glass
fuse that looked a lot cooler to me at the time. I believe that was 1979,
maybe 1978. I still have the fuse. It seems to have followed me through a
good dozen moves or more. It survived the tosses off the baseball backstop
we used before we found the slope!

-- 
Greg Smith
Slope Soaring Resource
http://www.slopeflyer.com



> From: Simon Van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Radius Systems
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:39:59 -0800
> To: 5-Soaring Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [RCSE] First Sailplane
> 
> How many can remember their very first R/C sailplane? Mine was one of
> the first Oly 650's. Wish I still had it for posterity, but elected to
> fly another aircraft while a newbie flew my Oly, bad idea...
> -- 
> Simon Van Leeuwen
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[RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd...

[Ray Hayes]

Bill G,

Jack Womack beat you to the buzzer. He is complaining about missing some
sort of football game, but said he couldn't stand to see us snow bunnies
have all the fun to ourselves.   So we have Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania,
Michigan and Texas in the game so far..


Ray Hayes
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Contest. 2nd...


> Hey, I'll sign up too, and I'll bring a couple yeahoos out to fly  with
me,
> who will be identified later.  No slope flying for thermal times either.
We
> flew last year, and got stomped :-)
>
>   Bill Grenoble
>
> Hawksnest Soaring
> Shermans Dale, PA
> Hawksnest Creekers
>


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RE: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Jack Iafret]

OK, what got me hooked was a Graupner Cirrus when I lived in the Dayton Ohio 
(mid 70's) area and belonged to the W.O.R.K.S. club (strictly power). One 
other guy (forgot the name know but he drove a comptition Vette) and I went 
to the West Carrolton High School and used his high start to launch. After 
about five launches and coming down to land the plane just circled for ten 
laps at 20 feet without loosing altitude and I without knowledge hooked my 
first thermal and rode it out for what seemed like an hour (probably five 
minutes). That was it for me, but it took awhile to commit.

Really never got serious until I came to Michigan and started flying 
sailplanes with the Paragon in '84. Met a bunch of people that flew 
sailplanes rather than power and that was it for greasy kids stuff.

So, first plane was the Cirrus and the favorite is the Paragon. Remember, 
"Paragon's Forever".

Jack Iafret
"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules"



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[RCSE] Looks like JT Plane Pack Bags are back in the game

[GordySoar]

Jim Prouty made Plane Pak sailplane bags.
Very sophisticated. Pouches for wing rods or joiners, a thicker pad so 
that curved wing tip panels could be seperated, and straps to keep the wing 
panels in place.  A stab pouch, a pocket for tools,Picolario walky talky, 
sun glasses etc.
 
He's back and with some new material.  Perfect bags for Pikes, Icons, 
Extremes, any of the current 3piece wing ships.  Not sure about Sharon's 
big center panel. Over all length is 60" I think.
 
Look for an upcoming announcement.  Not cheep, made up to a quality 
not down to price, in the $200 range I am guessing.
Gordy

Re: [RCSE] First plane

[David Nasatir]

Around 1950, I think, I built a "Condor" with, as I recall a 6' 
wingspan.  The box said the glider was to be launched by  towing it.  I 
did a little playing around with an army surplus receiver and 
transmitter (six meter?) and used a relay to activate a rubber powered 
escapement that moved the rudder. My buddy and I took it to a 
meet/contest of some kind that was being held at the Great Lakes Naval 
Training Center in Northern Illinois.  He ran with the tow (we presumed 
it worked like a kite...had never tested this thing, but wanted to give 
it a try).  Much to our delight, it seemed to work!!  And then we 
discovered  that we could not get it down! Every time we tried to let it 
sink onto the (hot, Illinois summer) concrete runway it would go up.  
Hadn't a clue what was happening.  Eventually crashed it, took the 
pieces home and returned to U-control for about a year and then 
abandoned the hobby for 45 years.

Dave Nasatir in Berkeley, CA
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Re: [RCSE] Favorite Plane

[Jerry Miller]

W E L L
Jerry Miller
SOSS-Medford, OR
-At 01:07 PM 11/29/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember, those were the days...
Heck I probably built a dozen of those things and use them to train people 
with.
I remember I did one with a Layer of 6 oz cloth on the outside. The wood, 
on the inside,  did go away after 3 years of training...LOL

A long time ago you had sent me a copy of that...long since lost 8-(
Y had better be careful, some might get the impression that we are Well aged,
 =
8-0
--
Jack Strother
Granger, IN
LSF 2948
LSF Level V #117
LSF Official 1996 - 2004
CSS Gold
-- Original message --
I have a picture of you launching a yellow and green Winddrifter in the 
rain at Landon Farms Estate..First time I met you and the first contest I 
ever attended..1981.. I think...You were just a punk kid thenI think 
that is the day I saw my first winch..You taught me how to launch my 
Drifter too..Brian Smith
PS..That was before you had to climb trees to retrieve my models.
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Heck I will jump in, for grins !!
Anyone who knew me then or knows me now, Knows that the plane I flew the 
most and won the most all TD contests was a Sailaire. I have built over 30 
of  the Sail Pigs over the years, with all the various modifications.

The Tullohoma versions, the Stubbies, the phillips enteries, the stretched 
foam wing x/c types... etc etc etc...

I think sta a couple of them are still around.
A close second was my first Grand Esprittoo bad you can't get either 
any more..( reasonably) then the Sagittia 900...

Now, its my Icons,  my Cobra with a sailaire as back up...LOL
C YA
Jack
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[RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly.

[Ray Hayes]

OK..number two just signed up...   Cal Posthuma  of Michigan
hmmm  the northern guys are first to sign up... probably a sign that
cabin fever is already setting in for us snow bunnies.  I learned a trick of
how to get the winch and retrieval equipment out to a cold and snowy field
when I was in Michigan flying with the Detroit Soaring and Hiking
guys..pile everything on one of those big plastic kid's sled and pull.
Worked like a charm.


Ray Hayes
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Subject: [balsasailplanes] Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest.
2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly.


>
> Let's do it again.a National Postal fly in on New Years day for fun.
>
> Woody's only with Built up wood flying surfaces, no molded d-tubes,
> no restriction on spar construction, with or without a fiberglass fuse.
> No restrictions on the use of thermal sensors or wind meters.
>
>
> Two classes:
> 100" and under and 100" and over, no limit on number of controls.
>
>
> Tasks:  Thermal duration.
>
> Longest Flight:
> Any number of attempts, may fly the same plane in both classes.
> No landing points requirement.
>
> Three Minute Ladder:
> Each consecutive flight must be greater than the previous flight by 3
> minutes.
> If consecutive flight is less than three minutes, simply try again.
> No landing points requirements.
>
> Launch by Hi Start or  winch.
>
> Scoring:
> Report your longest flight and highest step in the time ladder
> for each size class you participated in by email to Ray Hayes.
> You may be asked for the name and phone # of your timer.
>
> Winners will receive respect and applause from the rest of us.
> Send a photo and forever be immortalized.
> The rest of us should send a photo also.
>
> To make it more interesting, the country will be divided up into
> weather regions with winners in each region as describe above
> plus and overall winners in each size class and task.
>
> Regions:
>
> Region A.
> All the states touching the Pacific Ocean plus HI, AZ, NM, TX,
> MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, except Alaska.
>
> Region B.
> OK, MO, AK, TN, KY, NC.
>
> Region C  (cold, gray and windy)
> All the remaining states.
>
> I'm willing to keep track of the scores, so let's get out there this
> New Years day and have some fun with our woodys.
> Get a group together and turn it into a soaring party.
>
> To sign up, send an email to me by Friday, 8 pm your local time,
> December 31st, 2004. with the following info:  your name, city and
> state where flights will take place (does not have to be city you reside
> in).
>
> To register your scores, email them with photos if possible
> no later than Jan. 2, 2005 to me.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Nothing but fun with our woodys...
>
> Ray Hayes
> http://www.skybench.com
> Home of Wood Crafters
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Re: [RCSE] Most fun plane

[Darwin Garrison]

I'm with Harley.  My most fun plane is the big Genie that I was so 
fortunate as to be able to buy from him.  Building more this winter with 
the new foils and such, but that old 7032 Genie is a true joy to fly.  I 
just need to fix the rudder hinges before next season. ;)

Darwin Garrison
(Oh, the memory of that landing-loop at Fall Roundup with the 
accompanying 90+ point landing...Ah.)

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Re: [RCSE] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual eve...

[RBurnoski]

In a message dated 11/29/04 7:16:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 
 All Right..first man to sign up is Richard Burnoski.  Anybody have a woody
 you could lend to Richard?
 
 
 Ray Hayes >>

Just kidding, 
I dont need a plane.
 I have a  Spirit 100 , stretched winged , V-tailed ,carbon joiner, thinned 
fused woody!  

I just need weather!  Send that to area code 60490Thanks!   RB
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[RCSE] First Sailplane

[Mark Wales]

Started building a Craftair Windrifter SD-100 in the spring of 1978, and 
then moved off to college in Ft. Wayne Ind. from Michigan and learned to fly 
in L.O.F.T., just wish I could remember which one of the guys was my first 
instructor, but everyone in the club was a huge help with all my questions 
and problems.

Thanks
Mark
Soaring Is Life!!
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Re: [RCSE] First RC sailplane

[Darwin Garrison]

My first sailplane was a HOB 2x2 wing salvaged from a garbage can and 
rebuilt strapped onto a battered Gentle Lady fuselage donated by a 
friend of mine in St. Louis.  Flew off his high start great.  Taught me 
some of the basics.  The Franken-flyer was executed by winch for extreme 
ugliness at the hands of Dennis Adamisin as part of my intro into the 
wonderful world of Fort Wayne gliding.

Darwin Garrison
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[RCSE] First sailplane.

[Chuck Anderson]

My first sailplane was a Ted Strader Gulliver from Flying Models in 1963 or 
early  64.  It  was so directionally unstable that it  was almost 
unifiyable. I decided that I could design a better one so I did.  It was 
the Tern and was published in  the May, 1977 issue of  RCM.  I flew nothing 
but original designs until 1975 when I finally broke down and built a 
Graupner Cirrus.

Chuck Anderson   

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[RCSE] Several questions on different soaring subjects

[Scott and Jennifer Martin]

All:

 

I would appreciate your help with a few questions I have:

 


 I flew
 this past weekend (Thanksgiving) at Bluff Park in Long
   Beach, Calif., where
 I first went slope soaring in the mid-1980s, and it was magnificent, given
 that I get few chances to fly there.  I live in Arizona and
 will probably visit the SoCal area several times
 a year.  I’m aware of
 Point Fermin as an additional slope site near Long
   Beach, although I’ve never
 flown there.  What are other good
 slope-soaring sites in the greater LA area, or at least within a
 reasonable drive from the Long Beach area, about, say, up to an hour?  Is Point Fermin
 worth the effort it takes to get there to fly?


 


 Is
 there a formula I can use to determine how much flap area to build into a
 wing?  I have a three-meter sailplane
 I’d like to modify to use flaps rather than the spoilers called for
 in the plans.’


 


 I need
 to rebuild the stabilizer of my Alcyone 3M, but I
 don’t have the equipment or knowledge to cut a set of foam cores for
 the stab.  My goal is to build it
 up from wood, but I’d like to know if it’s better to sheet the
 stab or use traditional covering over an open frame.  I intend to use the same airfoil profile
 as the original.


 

Many thanks! J

 

Scott Martin

Chandler, Ariz.

[RCSE] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly.

[Ray Hayes]

All Right..first man to sign up is Richard Burnoski.  Anybody have a woody
you could lend to Richard?


Ray Hayes
http://www.skybench.com
Home of Wood Crafters
- Original Message - 
From: "Ray Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event!
2004 winner was Larry Jolly.


> Let's do it again.a National Postal fly in on New Years day for fun.
>
> Woody's only with Built up wood flying surfaces, no molded d-tubes,
> no restriction on spar construction, with or without a fiberglass fuse.
> No restrictions on the use of thermal sensors or wind meters.
>
>
> Two classes:
> 100" and under and 100" and over, no limit on number of controls.
>
>
> Tasks:  Thermal duration.
>
> Longest Flight:
> Any number of attempts, may fly the same plane in both classes.
> No landing points requirement.
>
> Three Minute Ladder:
> Each consecutive flight must be greater than the previous flight by 3
> minutes.
> If consecutive flight is less than three minutes, simply try again.
> No landing points requirements.
>
> Launch by Hi Start or  winch.
>
> Scoring:
> Report your longest flight and highest step in the time ladder
> for each size class you participated in by email to Ray Hayes.
> You may be asked for the name and phone # of your timer.
>
> Winners will receive respect and applause from the rest of us.
> Send a photo and forever be immortalized.
> The rest of us should send a photo also.
>
> To make it more interesting, the country will be divided up into
> weather regions with winners in each region as describe above
> plus and overall winners in each size class and task.
>
> Regions:
>
> Region A.
> All the states touching the Pacific Ocean plus HI, AZ, NM, TX,
> MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, except Alaska.
>
> Region B.
> OK, MO, AK, TN, KY, NC.
>
> Region C  (cold, gray and windy)
> All the remaining states.
>
> I'm willing to keep track of the scores, so let's get out there this
> New Years day and have some fun with our woodys.
> Get a group together and turn it into a soaring party.
>
> To sign up, send an email to me by Friday, 8 pm your local time,
> December 31st, 2004. with the following info:  your name, city and
> state where flights will take place (does not have to be city you reside
> in).
>
> To register your scores, email them with photos if possible
> no later than Jan. 2, 2005 to me.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Nothing but fun with our woodys...
>
> Ray Hayes
> http://www.skybench.com
> Home of Wood Crafters
>


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[RCSE] First RC sailplane

[Ray Hayes]

I got started in the late sixties with a scratch built Schoodl from a
construction article by George Metzler.  It was designed for .049 power, I
learned left from right and up from down and kept it alive for two months
while I was building a replacement plus a winch.  A big plywood box with
some sort of scavenged white nylon spool for a reel.  The first sailplane I
launched from the winch was a California t-tail kit named "Quarterback" , I
think.  I still have a new kit on the shelf.  I  had it specked out an lost
sight of it, the memory of it turning ever upward is burned in my memory
cells for ever.  Went home with a Tx and a winch and started building and
flying many Graupner Cirrus beauties and later switched to Windfrees which
to this day is my favorite nostalgia sailplane. It is a great hobby

Ray Hayes
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[RCSE] Got LMR WindDancer/8103 Need programming

[GordySoar]

Hi guys, 
One of my loclar buddies got a Winddancer and has the 8103, I putz with 
the Mix2 and 3 to tie Aux 2 on the switch and down motor run elevator comp but 
couldn't get it to work. Motor wouldn't run at top speed.
 
IF some one has one of these set up can you share the program for motor and 
elevator comp.  I am using Butterfly for landing flap and elevator 
comp.
Gordy

[RCSE] Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly.

[Ray Hayes]

Let's do it again.a National Postal fly in on New Years day for fun.

Woody's only with Built up wood flying surfaces, no molded d-tubes,
no restriction on spar construction, with or without a fiberglass fuse.
No restrictions on the use of thermal sensors or wind meters.


Two classes:
100" and under and 100" and over, no limit on number of controls.


Tasks:  Thermal duration.

Longest Flight:
Any number of attempts, may fly the same plane in both classes.
No landing points requirement.

Three Minute Ladder:
Each consecutive flight must be greater than the previous flight by 3
minutes.
If consecutive flight is less than three minutes, simply try again.
No landing points requirements.

Launch by Hi Start or  winch.

Scoring:
Report your longest flight and highest step in the time ladder
for each size class you participated in by email to Ray Hayes.
You may be asked for the name and phone # of your timer.

Winners will receive respect and applause from the rest of us.
Send a photo and forever be immortalized.
The rest of us should send a photo also.

To make it more interesting, the country will be divided up into
weather regions with winners in each region as describe above
plus and overall winners in each size class and task.

Regions:

Region A.
All the states touching the Pacific Ocean plus HI, AZ, NM, TX,
MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, except Alaska.

Region B.
OK, MO, AK, TN, KY, NC.

Region C  (cold, gray and windy)
All the remaining states.

I'm willing to keep track of the scores, so let's get out there this
New Years day and have some fun with our woodys.
Get a group together and turn it into a soaring party.

To sign up, send an email to me by Friday, 8 pm your local time,
December 31st, 2004. with the following info:  your name, city and
state where flights will take place (does not have to be city you reside
in).

To register your scores, email them with photos if possible
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Nothing but fun with our woodys...

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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Pat McCleave]

Mine is easy to remember as well since I just started back in 1977.  It was 
one of the original Craft Air Drifter's with the 72" Wing.  I actually had 
ordered the Windrifter before getting the Drifter done.  It was a good move 
on my part since I had the Drifter destroyed already before the Windrifter 
reached my door.  I decided to go ahead and order the Sailaire shortly there 
after.  It has just gotten better every hear thereafter.

See Ya,
Pat McCleave
Wichita, KS
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane


I remember mine since I just started a few years ago. An EPP Highlander as 
often recommended on this list. It is 39 ounces with standard radio gear in 
it, and by golly it thermals quite nicely. I used it to finish all my LSF I 
tasks.

Now that I am onto my LSF II tasks I have graduated to a 3M Marauder. I 
must agree with those that say "bigger flies better" cause I sure love it!

Simon Van Leeuwen wrote:
How many can remember their very first R/C sailplane? Mine was one of the 
first Oly 650's. Wish I still had it for posterity, but elected to fly 
another aircraft while a newbie flew my Oly, bad idea...
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RE: [RCSE] Magic Airfoil

[Phil Barnes]

>-Original Message-
>From: Lighthorse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Does anyone know what the airfoil of the Magic is?

It's the FX60-100. It was actually printed in the back of the 1994-1995 NSP
catalog, listed as 3.35% camber and 9.97% thickness.

At some later date Frank thinned this airfoil to 6% for the "6% Magic".

Phil


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[RCSE] First plane, the "Lil T"

[Harley Michaelis]

I see only kits being mentioned as first R/C planes.
In the middle 1960's, someone had a construction article for the "Lil-T" 2 
meter ship in some magazine. Midwest later kitted it. I took a pic of the 
page with a camera and having a darkroom, blew up sections up as large as 
possible on photo paper and scratch built it. It came out something like 5/6 
scale.

I'd never heard of a hi-start or a winch, but flew it rudder-only off a 
little slope with some radio system that used an "escapement". Later I flew 
with  an ACE R/C outfit in which the rudder wiggled all the time. Forgot 
what the system was called. . ."galloping ghost" or something. Once in a 
while a flight with the escapement might last as long as a minute. "Success" 
was measured by # of flights before a calamity struck.

Things picked up after getting a Kraft 3 channel proportional radio, by 
which time I was utilizing my scratch-building free flight experience to 
design R/C sailplanes to fly either slope or by power pod. Still no winch or 
hi-start around.

I abhored kits, but later, wondering if I was missing something did build 
one R/C. . . . a Dodgson Maestro. I promptly peddled it, having new ideas to 
try and just preferring my own stuff.  I'm still so afflicted but that less 
than scale, scratch-built Lil T got me going in R/C. 

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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Jim Carlton]

Jim Carlton wrote:
Gentle Lady...hand launched that thing 'till I could make a turn and 
fly it back...too chicken to put it on a high start. 

Oh, and I think that was circa 1981 or so, fyi.
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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Jim Carlton]

Gentle Lady...hand launched that thing 'till I could make a turn and fly 
it back...too chicken to put it on a high start. After umpteen crunched 
wing tips and repairs (it always looked new!) I finally put it on a high 
start a couple of months later and the obsession had begun!
After a couple of folded wings, I rebuilt her with a Goldberg electric 
power pod and a Master Airscrew feathering prop and I thought I was in 
heaven. I could fly for more than 5 minutes at a time now. Thermals you 
say? Added wing tip extensions to 100" span, lost the power pod and 
learned how to use a winch. I still think, stock, it is one of the 
easiest planes to fly.
I have remnants of that Gentle Lady hanging up in the "hanger". Just 
don't have the nerve to toss out a piece of my "history".
Jim
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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Stuart A. Hall]

I remember mine since I just started a few years ago. An EPP Highlander 
as often recommended on this list. It is 39 ounces with standard radio 
gear in it, and by golly it thermals quite nicely. I used it to finish 
all my LSF I tasks.

Now that I am onto my LSF II tasks I have graduated to a 3M Marauder. I 
must agree with those that say "bigger flies better" cause I sure love it!

Simon Van Leeuwen wrote:
How many can remember their very first R/C sailplane? Mine was one of 
the first Oly 650's. Wish I still had it for posterity, but elected to 
fly another aircraft while a newbie flew my Oly, bad idea...
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Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane

[Keith Love]

Simon Van Leeuwen wrote:
How many can remember their very first R/C sailplane? Mine was one of 
the first Oly 650's. Wish I still had it for posterity, but elected to 
fly another aircraft while a newbie flew my Oly, bad idea...
House of Balsa 2-T. Very stable plane, broke down easily for transport, 
but I would not recommend a T-tail for someone teaching themselves to 
fly -- too fragile. Luckily it was also easy to repair!

Still, many happy memories of watching it soar against the sunset in 
those early years...

 -- Keith
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Re: [RCSE] JR 9303

[Ben Diss]

No, the 9303 cannot change modes.  The 9X can.
-Ben
Brian Chan wrote:
I have another question:
Is it possible to change the stick mode to trottle/ailerone on left
stick and elevator/rudder on right stick. On Graupner Tx you can
select stick mode by software setting.
Is this feature also availabe on the JR9303! The Manuals don't show it.
Thanks for your help.
Regrads from Switzerland
Reto

Reto,
I don't know, I don't have a 9303. You sould post it to the soaring 
exchange. THe MX -22 has the option of changing modes.

It is surprise to learn that the two radios use different method to 
maintain memory. I would figure that are the same and just use 
different software.


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Re: [RCSE] Favorite Plane

[strotherbj]

I remember, those were the days...
Heck I probably built a dozen of those things and use them to train people with.
I remember I did one with a Layer of 6 oz cloth on the outside. The wood, on the inside,  did go away after 3 years of training...LOL
 
A long time ago you had sent me a copy of that...long since lost 8-(
 
Y had better be careful, some might get the impression that we are Well aged, 
 
8-0
--Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold 
 
-- Original message -- 



I have a picture of you launching a yellow and green Winddrifter in the rain at Landon Farms Estate..First time I met you and the first contest I ever attended..1981.. I think...You were just a punk kid thenI think that is the day I saw my first winch..You taught me how to launch my Drifter too..Brian SmithPS..That was before you had to climb trees to retrieve my models.

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Favorite Plane

Heck I will jump in, for grins !!
Anyone who knew me then or knows me now, Knows that the plane I flew the most and won the most all TD contests was a Sailaire. I have built over 30 of  the Sail Pigs over the years, with all the various modifications.
 
The Tullohoma versions, the Stubbies, the phillips enteries, the stretched foam wing x/c types... etc etc etc...
 
I think sta a couple of them are still around.
 
A close second was my first Grand Esprittoo bad you can't get either any more..( reasonably) then the Sagittia 900...
 
Now, its my Icons,  my Cobra with a sailaire as back up...LOL 
 
C YA
Jack
 

Re: [RCSE] JR 9303

[Brian Chan]

I have another question:
Is it possible to change the stick mode to trottle/ailerone on left
stick and elevator/rudder on right stick. On Graupner Tx you can
select stick mode by software setting.
Is this feature also availabe on the JR9303! The Manuals don't show it.
Thanks for your help.
Regrads from Switzerland
Reto
Reto,
I don't know, I don't have a 9303. You sould post it to the soaring 
exchange. THe MX -22 has the option of changing modes.

It is surprise to learn that the two radios use different method to 
maintain memory. I would figure that are the same and just use 
different software.

--
Brian Chan,
An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA
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Re: [RCSE] Favorite Plane

[Brian Smith]

I have a picture of you launching a yellow and 
green Winddrifter in the rain at Landon Farms Estate..First time I met you and 
the first contest I ever attended..1981.. I think...You were just a punk kid 
thenI think that is the day I saw my first winch..You taught me how to 
launch my Drifter too..Brian SmithPS..That was before you had to climb 
trees to retrieve my models.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: ewilson12000 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:46 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [RCSE] Favorite Plane
  
  Heck I will jump in, for grins !!
  Anyone who knew me then or knows me now, Knows that the plane I flew the 
  most and won the most all TD contests was a Sailaire. I have built over 
  30 of  the Sail Pigs over the years, with all the various 
  modifications.
   
  The Tullohoma versions, the Stubbies, the phillips enteries, the 
  stretched foam wing x/c types... etc etc etc...
   
  I think sta a couple of them are still around.
   
  A close second was my first Grand Esprittoo bad you can't get 
  either any more..( reasonably) then the Sagittia 900...
   
  Now, its my Icons,  my Cobra with a sailaire as back 
  up...LOL 
   
  C YA
  Jack
   

RE: [RCSE] Magic Airfoil

[Anker Berg-Sonne]

Frank,

It's a proprietary airfoil created by Frank Weston.

Anker

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] Magic Airfoil

Does anyone know what the airfoil of the Magic is?

Ken
York County Soaring
"Lighthorse" Team YCS
Silence is Golden



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Re: [RCSE] Favorite Plane

[strotherbj]

Heck I will jump in, for grins !!
Anyone who knew me then or knows me now, Knows that the plane I flew the most and won the most all TD contests was a Sailaire. I have built over 30 of  the Sail Pigs over the years, with all the various modifications.
 
The Tullohoma versions, the Stubbies, the phillips enteries, the stretched foam wing x/c types... etc etc etc...
 
I think sta a couple of them are still around.
 
A close second was my first Grand Esprittoo bad you can't get either any more..( reasonably) then the Sagittia 900...
 
Now, its my Icons,  my Cobra with a sailaire as back up...LOL 
 
C YA
Jack
 
 
 
--Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold 
 
-- Original message -- > > My favorite plane is the stretched Sagitta 900 I built from scratch > the winter of 82. With a ten foot wingspan and a fuselage streached 4 > inches I won all my Level 5 contest with this plane. I retired the > plane and my son brought it back out to trophey at a Nat's. Again it > was retired to only be brought out of retirement to do my 8 hour > flight at Brookville in November of 99. That was 18 years of hard service. > A close second is the BOT ARF I used to place 5h at this years > Nat's. For $150 plane it beat a whole bunch of more expensive planes. > This plane was passed along to a beginner who flies it almost daily > and has used it to complete both level 1 and 2 in the LSF task. > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. 

Re: [RCSE] Re: Most fun plane

[Russ Young]

Dodgson Designs Todi.

My second plane - early 70's

Put on the  100" contest TD wings and do outside loops and rolls on the way
to spot landings.

Put on the 66" semi-symetrical fully sheeted wings and go sloping.

Flaperons, elevator-flap mix, aileron-rudder mix - 4 channel non-computer
radio.


Russ


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[RCSE] First Sailplane

[Simon Van Leeuwen]

How many can remember their very first R/C sailplane? Mine was one of 
the first Oly 650's. Wish I still had it for posterity, but elected to 
fly another aircraft while a newbie flew my Oly, bad idea...
--
Simon Van Leeuwen
RADIUS SYSTEMS
PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice
Cogito Ergo Zooom

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Re: [RCSE] Needed Plane

[Karlton Spindle]

I still sell "cutting edge" radio equipment except much more power (16w) focused on a pinpoint target, much more precise then the RF we use in R/C. I hope no one on RCSE ever needs what I sell, ever. http://www.orionemf.com/
 
I also sell bone & hardware that is used to fixate spines, thus the strange email address. 
What gets me is that I just tried from my other email address to subscribe to RCSE but how in the world that other email showed up over a year old with this email address is beyond me. Can't be lurking on my PC because I have switched PCs in the last six months. Can't be from my subscribe attempt because I was using my other address. 
 
How you doing? 
 
Smooth Sailing,
Karlton
 

[RCSE] Magic Airfoil

[Lighthorse]

Does anyone know what the airfoil of the Magic is?

Ken
York County Soaring
"Lighthorse" Team YCS
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[RCSE] aero card

[Chuck George]

Hello,
would you consider just selling the aero card??
if so what would be the cost?
Chuck
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[RCSE] FS: Molded Psyko

[jtlsf5]

For Sale: Molded Psyko, ready to fly, just add your receiver. Fitted with Volz servos throughout (Micro-Maxx in the fuse, Wing-Maxx in the wing), old style Airtronics plugs, 1400 mah battery pack, 5/8" round carbon rod, Hoopes wing connectors, McCann nose teeth. Has an extra bagged stab. White fuse/wing&stab tops, red rudder, black wing bottom, blue stab bottom. When I bought the plane, it had a couple of minor leading edge delams. Both have been reparired, neither was a structural problem. A great flying plane, I just have a few too many moldies (yes, it is possible). I can supply a setup for either a Stylus or EVO-12 for this plane on request. $800 plus shipping from Sacramento, local pick up OK. Pictures available on request. Please contact me off line. Jim Thomas 916-984-5123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

[RCSE] For sale Futaba 9CPA

[Laszlo Horvath]

Futaba 9CPA TX for sale, never used, in the box.
   Les
  



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[RCSE] Favorite Plane

[ewilson12000]

   My favorite plane is the stretched Sagitta 900 I built from scratch
the winter of 82. With a ten foot wingspan and a fuselage streached 4
inches  I won all my Level 5 contest with this plane. I retired the
plane and my son brought it back out to trophey at a Nat's. Again it
was retired to only be brought out of retirement to do my 8 hour
flight at Brookville in November of 99. That was 18 years of hard service.
   A close second is the BOT ARF I used to place 5h at this years
Nat's. For $150 plane it beat a whole bunch of more expensive planes.
This plane was passed along to a beginner who flies it almost daily
and has used it to complete both level 1 and 2 in the LSF task. 



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[RCSE] Re: Most fun plane

[mtimm]

I'd have to go with my Highlander on this one.  I have had many planes
that perform better, but I have had the most fun with the Highlander. 
Being made of EPP, it survived mishaps (including landing ON a chain
link fence) that would have taken other planes out for the season.  So,
due to its resiliant design, I never lack for opportunity to fly it. 
The goofy thing is that it thermals out so well.  People stare in
disbelief when I sky out with it and then I LMAO and fly.


-- 
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[RCSE] Re: Needed Plane

[Schwemmer]

Are you looking for used or new?

Rick


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[RCSE] Leading Edge Sting Wing

[douglent]

Has anyone had experience with the Leading Edge Sting Wing? I'd like
some information before I buy.

thanks


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[RCSE] most fun model/sorry Larry

[Brian Smith]

The Larry Jolly/Midnight Models V tail Icarus had to rank right near the top
for me...It was actually my second sailplane..My first was a Drifter two...
  I flew sailplanes for one whole summer before I realized/was told you have
to drift with the lift...(sounds silly now) To sustain flight time..WOW!!!
My first 30 minute flight..I was ecstatic...I'll never forget..It was an
Icarus with transparent yellow monokote in 1980.. I loved that model..I
bought two kits, then made templates from the second kit and built about 8
more of them..."Sorry Larry"  Grin...It came as a 72 inch span and of course
I stretched it to 78 inches after the first one..
  I also designed one airfoil for it with a little Phillips entry..You do
remember him right??  (another grin about here)... I called the airfoil the
VUG...It stood for Very Uneducated Guess..It flew very well and I was
winning contests with it, then,  along came the Sagitta 900 and spoiled all
my fun..Of course I had to have about 6 of them... Brian Smith


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Re: [RCSE] Hobby People has Trition Charger for $109 until Tuesday, save $20

[MerrellAnd]

Ditto, also note Dave Thacker at radicalrc.com for vender on the orbit microloader.
Merrell


Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:08:43 -0500
From: "Dan Kitching" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "RCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hobby People has Trition Charger for $109 until Tuesday, save $20
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I own a Triton and it has been very reliable. It has no autosensing function 
for Li-Po chemistry, this is as manual as the Kokam or Peak units. If it 
charges a 2S pack with 3S voltage, it's because you told it to. I can 
definitely recommend this charger for anyone looking to charge up to 3S 
packs at up to 2 Amps. Any more than that and you'll have to look elsewhere. 
It will, however, charge as many as 24 Ni-xx cells at up to 5 Amps. Pretty 
excellent for only $109 !!

If you're looking for a serious charger for LiPo, Li-Ion, Ni-MH, Ni-CD, and 
Lead Acid, I own and highly recommend the Orbit Microlader Pro. It's capable 
of charging a 32Cell Ni-xx or 11S LiPo pack at 8Amps and has an optional PC 
interface to plot your charges and discharges. I've owned mine for nearly a 
year now and it is an awesome piece of hardware in design, software, and 
manufacturing quality. Etienne Dorig carries them at www.icare-rc.com

When you connect a LiPo pack, you enter the charging current and connect the 
battery. The charger looks at the pack and tells you how many cells it 
thinks you have in series. It will not begin charging until you confirm the 
number of series cells.


   Dan Kitching

[RCSE] Most Fun Plane

[Michael Goldston]

Enjoyed reading everyone's choice of the Most Fun plane.
My list of fun planes includes several but it has to be topped by the 
56" Bluto, closely followed by the Filip Slope, Zagi 3C, and Airtronics 
Aquila.  Of course these are the planes I have lots of hours on, so I 
guess the choice is natural.  New favorites are gaining ground.  
Regards,  Mike Goldston, Idaho.

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[RCSE] Inexpensive Hotliner?

[Jim Prouty]

Hi All,
My apologies in advance if I'm posting this to the wrong list.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a low-to-mid priced hotliner?  I'm 
looking for something that's easy to transport so I can take a plane with 
me when I go on the road testing UAVs and there's no slope or thermal 
fields nearby.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Happy flying,
Jim
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[RCSE] Re: Needed Plane

[SoCalGliderFlyr]

Multiplex makes some nice ones.

;)

Stay away from the AMD junk.

Email me!!!


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[RCSE] most fun plane

[Jerry Krainock]

Interesting that most of the Most Fun Planes have flown on the slope. 
You have to have been around for awhile and live in SoCal to remember 
the Rubber Ducky.  It was a 60" span sloper, rudder & elevator, that 
thermaled like a champ and was just made for fun.  It used the 2r112 
profile and became the basis for my second WR X/C airplane.  It would 
fly in popcorn farts, do all of the R/E pattern maneuvers, perform great 
increasing amplitude hammerheads,   ah   ya hadda be there.   How 
could it have been so long ago.

JDK
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[RCSE] Re: FS: JR 8103 w/extras

[douglent]

I have the above TX, it's a couple of years old. I'm not sure I know
what the "analog trim" is. How does it differ form whatever I have? I
just click the trim buttons... I must have "digital" trim"

Thanks,
Doug


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[RCSE] Re: Los Banos this Sunday F3f

[JJ & MJ]

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  JJ & MJ 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:25 
  AM
  Subject: Los Banos this Sunday F3f
  
  
  Well lets give some F3f practice a second try, this coming Sunday @ 12:00 
  noon I will be at banos flying my f3f plane. If we get enough people (three) 
  we can practice making turns. I am going to banos even if the conditions are 
  marginal. It will take rain or a southern wind to cancel the trip. I will 
  update people on Friday with the best guess on the conditions and you can 
  decide for yourself.
  jj
  jim jacobson
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[RCSE] Magic airfoil

[Ken Leamy]

Does anyone know what the airfoil of the magic is?

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Silence is Golden
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RE: [RCSE] soaring e-wing recommendation?

[Robert Samuels]

I've been flying a foam wing from Slofly.com for some time.  Powered with a 
"speed 300"  and 2 cell lipo it flys very well, is quite light and durable.  
I recommend it.

Robert Samuels...St. Louis
From: "widlerj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] soaring e-wing recommendation?
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:12:47 -
I want to give some electric powered wing kits for holiday presents.
Low speed thermalling ability is the most important consideration.
Durability is also important. Needs to be able to use Hitec 555 Rx and
55 servos or larger. I have seen the Zagi 60 and the Combat wings on
the web but have not seen them in person. I am open to hearing any
comments but especially recommendations based on personal experience.
Reply off list if that seems appropriate. Thanks. Wid

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RE: [RCSE] soaring e-wing recommendation?

[Robert Samuels]

I've been flying a foam wing from Slofly.com for some time.  Powered with a 
"speed 300"  and 2 cell lipo it flys very well, is quite light and durable.  
I recommend it.

Robert Samuels...St. Louis
From: "widlerj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] soaring e-wing recommendation?
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:12:47 -
I want to give some electric powered wing kits for holiday presents.
Low speed thermalling ability is the most important consideration.
Durability is also important. Needs to be able to use Hitec 555 Rx and
55 servos or larger. I have seen the Zagi 60 and the Combat wings on
the web but have not seen them in person. I am open to hearing any
comments but especially recommendations based on personal experience.
Reply off list if that seems appropriate. Thanks. Wid

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Re: [RCSE] Antenna Wire

[Doug McLaren]

On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 08:51:37PM -0600, Robert Samuels wrote:

| I was told by Futaba service to use the finest (smallest diameter)
| wire possible.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what you use, as long as the length is
correct.  Stranded wire is nice because it's less likely to break and
more pliable, but beyond that, it really doesn't matter.

| For several years I have successfully substituted very fine music
| wire in antennas.

To be fair, you could `successfully' subsititute it with pretty much
anything metalic that's the right length.  Antennas are funny like
that :)

| I purchased the wire in 36 in. lengths from my local hobby shop.  I
| used the finest wire that would not flop around when extended from
| the rear of the plane.

I'd be afraid of poking my eye out with that :)
(But I don't doubt that it works just fine.)

I do like the suggestion given of using PC mouse wire ... great idea!
(Since I have lots of old mice floating around, and it's a lot cheaper
than using servo wire like I have been.)

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[RCSE] Re: FS: 2M Custom built TD

[torcgolf]

email sent!


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[RCSE] soaring e-wing recommendation?

[widlerj]

I want to give some electric powered wing kits for holiday presents.
Low speed thermalling ability is the most important consideration.
Durability is also important. Needs to be able to use Hitec 555 Rx and
55 servos or larger. I have seen the Zagi 60 and the Combat wings on
the web but have not seen them in person. I am open to hearing any
comments but especially recommendations based on personal experience.
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[RCSE] Got the answer on the JR RX Thanks

[GordySoar]

Thanks Guys.
 
The RX I have is an old version of the credit card RXs, it works fine but 
just wanted to check on the thread.
Gordy

RE: [RCSE] Which JR 6 channel RX was goofy?

[Douglas, Brent]

I thought the original 
610 was "goofy", but that it was worked out pretty quickly  I use a 
pair now, no problems.
 
Anyone 
else?Brent

[RCSE] If anyone wants to see the TSA lock set up for Sportube

[GordySoar]

Post me a note off line and I'll send you a photo.  I got a TSA lock 
available at lots of places, then got a 3/16" carriage bolt, cut off the 
threads, then flattened the end, and drilled it to fit the lock.
 
Gordy

[RCSE] Looking For a Fuse

[Pat McCleave]

Hi Guys,

I am looking for fuse I can use for doing some wing experimentation with.  I 
would prefer something with an RG15 or RG14 wing root of around 9" to 9.75".  
Can be either slip on nose cone or canopy.  Would also prefer that it be for a 
two piece type wing but would consider top mounted bolt on wing design as well. 
 Weight is not an issue since this will be for the slope.  If anyone has 
something laying around they would like to get rid of please let me know.

See Ya,

Pat McCleave
Wichita, KS


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RE: [RCSE] Most fun plane

[Douglas, Brent]

My most fun moment was on the dunes at the Outer Banks, flying slope
zagis with my brother... Two of us playing tag, light combat each nite
after dinner.  Flying was mixed, from fair to great, but the fun we had
will not be soon forgotten.

B.
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