RE: [RCSE] Pumpkin Fly, what was the other event...
I had family in town from AZ, could not make the event... They dragged me to the boats in Indiana for gambling 'fix' - my question is what was the full size fly-in going on around Cinci? We were driving back on 275 around 2 on Sunday, and we saw a 3 plane formation where literally you could have jumped from one wingtip to the other, this was quickly followed by what I took as an AT-6. The first formation was so odd that I initially thought the middle plane was having problems, although I am not sure what I thought the other ships could do. The Texan looked too out of place not to be going to a show. Just curious, anyone?Brent
RE: [RCSE] stuck on mandrel
I had this happen once doing wing joiner tubes for the Allegro; I finally got the fiberglass tube off the mandrel by running it under an InSinkerator hot water dispenser here at work. I think you could do the same with either HOT tap water or water from a tea kettle. I don't know if it loosened up the epoxy, melted the wax, or both - it did save me from having to cut into the glass and mandrel to start over again. Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] De-electrifying Sailplanes
You mentioned the Graphite, but a Silent Dream 2.0 - 2.5 would be a good choice, also. The nice thing about the FVK stuff is you can get electric and sailplane components; it would not be a big trick to have one set of wings and 2 fuses, one electric and one not. If nothing else, you could always get the second fuse later and only have to set up the RX, battery, and tail servos. Makes for a compact, flexible pair of planes. Just a thought, it's a good flying ship either way. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Woodys .....
Just wanted to put this out, in the spirit of encouraging those flyers out there that still like to build. Based on the interest we received for this idea last year, the DARTS are going to run a Woody event as part of our annual Nostalgia / RES weekend contests. The Woody event will be run in parallel with the NOS event, and we would encourage these same flyers to compete in our RES event the next day. We considered the ladder format, but in the end Man on Man won out for this year's event. The calendar is still in the works until we can coordinate with the parks department, but the event is on our books. Now, what to build. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Woodys .....
Duly noted... We just started kicking this idea around, and the reason we chose (are leaning towards?) MOM is scheduling. We want to run NOS and Woody's on the same day, and we are concerned that we'd not get in as much flying if we didn't keep the groups running. If we could do both event and run the Woody's in a ladder format, that might be interesting. There is still a chance we will schedule another Woody only event - depends on interest from other clubs and our own flyers, but your comment is NOT falling on deaf ears. This event is an experiment for us, and we're sort of feeling our way. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] combo meet: Electric/slope
That sounds interesting, especially as the thermal season winds (wound?) down around here. I mentioned this and the Lake Wilson caravan at the DARTS planning meeting last nite, and both at drewgot some interest. I think I could make one or two runs up to the lake to fly, especially if I take the Mrs to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame while there. Keep me in the loop as you pick dates (or feel like the wind's right) to fly. Brent
RE: [RCSE] slope rules / pics
If you do have some events, even just fun slope flys, please let me know - same goes for anyone in the Ohio / IN / KY / MI area. Just not that many good slope sites and opportunities to fly, hard to pass up opportunities to get out and do it. Also, ifyou are interested in a one-design, I'd look into the specs that the Lake Wilson group floated a couple years back - remember it as asingle taper, SD606x wing, some other loose specs on fuse width, but it would be cool to have some time to whip up a couple ships. Good luck getting something going, Brent
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8443
I knew Mr. Voss had this answer! The Fun-1 was the ship I had in mind as the model for ODR, but I could not come up with Paul for the ODR specs - I think I'll be doing some searches tonite for those numbers, would be a fun off-season (thermal) project. Hope there are some others with the same idea, Brent
[RCSE] ... for woody contests ...
That reminds me, wanted to float this before our annual event planning meeting. Would a Woody event garner more interest than an (our) annual Nostalgia event? The NOS event has been a fixture, but it's not getting nearly the interest it used to - we are toying with going Woody this year, with a category to honor the best / top NOS ship(s). Does that sound like a more modern format that still encourages building flyers? Thanks, Brent DARTS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RealBalls...
Winchdoc, Tim McCann? Does he have a real name?? : ) Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Help in Hawaii
I think we call that high class problems around here... Hope you get some video, would love to see it! Good luck, Brent *currently building a Higgins CA Sloper that would love to make that rip, er trip. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Boiling Nylon Servo Arms/Control Horns?
Slopers. Always breaking things I have never broken so much radio equipment in my life until the Winter I learned that I loved sloping. Hell, I have broken those metal servo arms before, nylon and plastic I just expect to break now. That's a cool idea, maybe the flex would buy a guy a couple extra hard slope landings - if nothing else, the image of boiling equipment before flying is worth it. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] BAD VENDOR REPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!
FWIW, I learned to fly with Dave Thacker of Radical RC here in Dayton, and I've never had any problems with his packs, period. Same good luck with Diversity (flydma.com) battery packs - especially good for high amp, high performance packs. He really knows what you should expect to get out of a given cell, how much of a charge you can give the cells, etc. Just felt like a good time to acknowledge some of the good guys out there (like Johnny). Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] To Russ Young (obechi / foam)
Hi all, I did an obechi foam project this year, and it was not bad at all. I bought ultracoat (huge roll), it's got a good, low temp workability. You could do fiberglass and paint, but you'll kick yourself if you try ultracoat later. I just sanded it very clean, finishing up with a high grit foam block. Only trick I heard from John (Derstine) was to make sure your surface is clean before you start. I vacuumed mine and then cleaned it with a damp rag, until it stopped showing the sawdust. After that, I just covered as I would a foamie, a 200 foamie. Low heat, working right down the wing trying to smooth the covering down more than stretch it tight. I turned the heat up slightly at the LE / TE, especially when joining the top and bottom film. If you keep the iron moving and pretty low (like 20%, tops), you should be fine. Good luck! Brent [QUOTE=Russ Young] That being said, one of the remaining things I need to do is cover the wings. They are white foam with an obeche skin (about 1/16 thick). I would prefer one of the plastic coverings (Monocoat, etc.) but I'm afraid that I'll melt the foam with the iron or the heat gun. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] elevator bellcrank
I second the copper board, used my dremel cutoff wheel to make all my last ship's control horns with it. I have also had decent luck with light ply sandwiched in glass or kevlar, but that was more of a gee, could I experiment and was a 2 day affair. Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions...
Practice is over-rated. Gordy Email Alert status has been raised to RED. This means conditions are right for a full set of practice instructions to be sent to all email addresses on this thread. I swear I read it, sir! I remember, at 30 seconds you want the plane coming directly over head, before your final base turn home. At 10 minutes, not when you feel like it.. I'm doing the work! Wear a watch, use it : ) Seriously, you know how he gets when people talk about his practice work ethic - this almost guarantees a reply, unless he's on a beach somewhere B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] OVSS Scores
Great season of flying, Marc - especially when you couple that with all your work on the Nats. Great job on both! Brent -Original Message- From: tony estep [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:02 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] OVSS Scores - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations to the new OVSS Champ, Marc Gellart. === Great flying by an all-around good guy. Marc dropped 13 points out of 5000 -- hard to beat that performance. MVSA still claims Marc as an honorary member. You da man, Marc! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Slope Season at Brookville
yee ha! Slope season at Brookville is coming up soon. I hope so, spent a lot of the last week cleaning up my slope trash, and I catch myself obsessively checking the Weather Channel for wind forecasts - come on South 15-25 *! As an aside, anyone interested in a Brookville email distribution? I wouldn't mind keeping one, putting out weather and wind alerts over the Fall - Spring. There was even talk of slope racing, might be fun to try this year. If anyone is interested in that, let me know - I know of a couple Dayton / Indy guys that would make those runs. B. (or West 15+ for CJ Brown) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] how high really
When I got my specs redone, I got into this discussion with my eye doc (that happened to be an ex-flight surgeon / perception researcher at Wright Patt) about flying RC sailplanes, and how I don't see that great at distance. He brought up an example about experiments with the red flag exercises in which fighter pilots did spot, identify, and shoot combat. In their experiments, the pilots were evenly matched, and the numbers suggested that the results should have been pretty even. They weren't. What they've added to the equation now is how well your eyes work together to spot and track a moving object. All these guys were great at identifying a static object at a distance, but when you put them in motion, some guys were much better than others. Just thought that was interesting, lift! B. From: Robert Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] if anyone out there can give us some research based information on far a human can discern an object like a 3m sailplane I'd sure like to hear it. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8144
AMA may also have the plans on their site; if so, hurry - they may be discontinuing that service.. OK, the word from the AMA is that they have NO plans on the above - sorry to spread rumours!!! Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8144
Skybench.com? I've had good luck with Ray, better than he had with me (timer at the demise of his beautiful 'bird) AMA may also have the plans on their site; if so, hurry - they may be discontinuing that service.. Good luck, Brent Anybody know where I can get a Paragon kit or plans? [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supra ? Who couples flaps to ailerons?: Drela repost
Now I'm really confused, even though I know the 'right' answer. I had a very good flyer sell me on the opposite - just ailerons for turning, keeping the center section of the wing 'clean'. I'm torn here - leverage really favors the outer surface, how much do you really get from the flap help? Lift, B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] R.I.P. Friend
Thanks for passing that on, Harry - That was one cool dog, and in my mind I expected him to live forever. I'm just glad he had Johnny, the two of them seemed like brothers more than ownerand dog. Brent.
RE: [RCSE] Subject: DARTS Saturday Scores
Man- now I got both Siegel's, dogpilin' me! That's it, the drum circle is now officially off! g For those of you not there, Rudy made a couple flyby's with his full-scale ship, very sharp (Long EZ, right?). If you have to miss a contest, that's definitely the best reason for it. B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] DARTS SUN CONTEST
I need new glasses - 13 points on Saturday between Ron and Karl, obviously a bit more on Sunday. Marc and his catcher stance landings were not to be denied ; ) B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] DARTS/OVSS #6-Dayton MOM Challenge
LOL!!! Marc's right on all counts... We'll be set up by about 915, should be flying shortly after 930 both days. Weather is looking great, and the DARTS field is a nice, flatland place to fly - very wide open, lots of different terrain to fly over (grass, woods, farm fields, and a pig farm if you don't mind fumigating your ship). Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] DARTS/OVSS #6
MAN, the OVSS is a tough crowd! Brent* * One of the TWO DARTS that are national XC champs, the one that didn't have to fly against competitors and planes for two days. More deserved congratulations go to Senor Siegel, now also LSF-V, if I heard right! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 2M Rambles
Be careful launching the Allegro - it has a weakness that I've seen and heard of from a couple flyers: it's not winchproof when faced with negative G's. Just wanted to put that out there before you end up like me (currently finishing up rebuilding my Allegro's center section). My (2nd) worst habit launching is dipping too deep in the bucket trying to get more of a zoom on launch; flying in a contest, I actually broke my wing DOWN. I flew it down, but my wing looked like a W after the break. Beautiful ship, just don't get sucked in by it's ability to take a hard (very) launch. Lift, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DARTS Soaring Challenge - Yellow Springs, OH*, Aug 12-13
The DARTS are holding their annual Soaring Challenge next weekend at the clube field in Yellow Springs, Ohio**. This is two separate, 1 day sanctioned, Unlimited events, wood for the top 5 places. Day 2 is an OVSS and Ohio's Cup event, if I'm not mistaken. OVSS Boss, weigh in here? The Twin Towers park in Yellow Springs is a good flat land soaring site, lots of farm land and grass fields, lots of good local flyers - always a very competitive event. Please contact me with any questions, hope to see you there. Brent www.daytonsoaring.org * home to Dave Chappelle ** map to the field on the site RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RE: 2M Rambles
I really wouldn't change much beyond my launch technique. If I do build another, I would be a little more careful with my spar wrapping and glueing of the center section, the centermost 6 inches in particular. I might consider adding a little more carbon in that same area if I had some thin prepreg available, inside of the bottom spar? It would just take a little sanding down of those shear webs a bit. Again, it's pretty darn tough, but avoiding a deep dip is probably a pretty good idea any way. Good luck! Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Nats and Other Thoughts
This is the first year I've been to the Nats for a small competition (eg, not Unlimited, etc), and maybe that made a difference, but the Nats Team really seemed to go out of their way to make the experience enjoyable. I can't count how many different people talked to me, took pictures my and my ship, encouraged me - it had the feeling of the world's best run club contest. I'm sure that didn't just happen, and I really want to put out a big thanks to all of you involved. I flew in one of Dennis Adamisin's events, and I just have to say that he in particular really made for an enjoyable weekend. Same goes for Johnny Berlin, especially on Sunday when I'm fairly sure he was dragged out to launch a single flyer. I think I must thank him about every two months, but he earns it every day in his support of soaring. Great job to all, Brent * and we went 6 miles, not 4. It's embarrassing enough as is g RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] NATS newsletter
Hi Don, thanks for the nice write up, thanks for all your work - the Nats coverage this year is outstanding! Much luck to all flying this week, thanks to all working it - Brent
RE: [RCSE] Muncie
Just curious, who here is going to try their hand at the XC event this year (scale or other)...? I signed up for it, no idea what to expect, but it was an opportunity to fly a ship that would sit in the garage another 6 months without this event. B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7928
I initially had decided on the 'bird, but then I found it was NOT NOS legal Moved it down my list behind the BD, but not much. I still love the lines, but I had envisioned it as a 2 contest ship (NOS and RES) - for a straight RES ship, I thought I'd go back and revisit all that was out there. B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Servo Reversing
It's worse than that (but that's what I assumed, too)... I found this circuit diagram that shows how this done (http://www.cliftech.com/html/reverser.html). The reversing gets into the nuts and bolts of the pulses coming in on the signal wire, changing the duration of the pulses... It's a great article, if nothing else. Reminded me just how much I really don't know, which is probably good once in a while. Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] (Aussie 2M)...
If you can get a line on an Organic, that's a great ship to have Not cheap, but not 1,000 bucks, either. I'd also put out feelers for a (used) SuperV or a 2M Mantis, if you can take the abuse you'll get about how it looks (as you make time after time) Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Buiilt up RES ship...
I'm fishing for a Fall / Winter building project, and I've got a short list put together. Any thoughts on the following. If you or a friend have seen, flown, or built any of these, I'd like to hear your thoughts. Skybench's Bird - 100 or more or the 970 (as a nostalgia ship, too) Polecat's Easy Bubble Dancer MM GliderTech's Marauder (115) * any others? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] (Aussie 2M)...
I thought you might be surprised by its overall look, but I swear, half the reason it gets made fun of so much is because it just flies so well. It came on the scene and beat a lot of much more expensive, much prettier ships. A lot of people out there got beat by some ugly*, inexpensive planes. Most of the Mantises (Mantii?) had an MH32 airfoil (some 7037s), bagged foam with a carbon tube spar. 3 piece wing, held on with a single bolt, room in the wing mount for ballast. Phil Barnes put them out for a long time, not sure if he still does tho. There are still a lot out there, and except for the week before Nats, they're usually moderately easy to find. I flew against one of the 2 meter versions this weekend - it is strong and light, and it really handles (turns and lands) extremely well. Again, the biggest knock has always been how they look. Good luck, hope you find something good - Brent *I always mean the fuse pod / wing mount - the wings always looked like they longed to be on another ship. -Original Message- From: David Leigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:09 PM To: soaring@airage.com Cc: David Leigh Subject: RE: [RCSE] (Aussie 2M)... Thanks Klaus, but it is slope oriented and not enough wing area. Douglas I have looked at the Mantis 2m and had a giggle, I do like good looking planes, but I might be convinced. What sort of wing is it? Cheers David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Old DJ Aero Monarch 2M...
We had our annual 2M event Sunday, and one of the guys had an old Monarch (early model) out - it flew good as hell. It launched hard, hung great, turned on a dime, great landing ship - it really was competitive (flying against Gnomes, SuperVs, and Organics). I had a later model (C or D?), and it was not quite the same ship, but I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at the one I timed for this weekend. B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] More info on the electric motor/esc issue
I just wonder about running a BEC on a high amp setup, especially something on more than 7 cells. My (limited) understanding of the BEC tells me that you're really leaving yourself with very little in the cells when the BEC finally shuts off the motor. I'm not familiar with the BEC you're using in your setup, but I never could get my Schulze controller to work without a seperate power supply. The servos, yes - the motor, no. Anymore, I wouldn't run anything bigger than a Speed-400 without a seperate receiver pack. Good luck, hope you get this worked out one way or the other, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] More Motor and ESC info
Please do, George - I would be interested in a reliable way to eliminate the second battery... Much luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DARTS Nostalgia and RES Contests this weekend June 17 and 18
This weekend the DARTS will be hosting 2 Sanctioned contests, Nostalgia on Saturday the 17th, and RES on the 18th. Pilots meeting will be at 930 each day, Wood for top 3 places each day. The DARTS fly seeded man on man, and we run 5+ winches with Real Balls. Should be a great time, hope you can make it. Contact me with any questions, will do my best to answer. Thank you, Brent, DARTS www.daytonsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Two 2M planes For Sale
This got me looking for information on the 2M Mantis, anyone know a good link to find the planform? I found ESL, Liftroll, etc, but I just wanted to get an idea of how the wing was laid out. Thanks! Brent * I tried searching Yahoo groups for mantis, all I found there was martial arts and something about girls in black boots. Really. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] loaded question...2M
OK, Im suddenly in the market for a 2M ship for the 2 contests a year it will see action I can not bring myself to spend more that about 200 bucks, so that limits me. What are your thoughts on Ed Whyte's Cara? DJA's updated 2M Chrysalis? The 2M Bird? I throw the 'Bird in there after going to Muncie yesterday - that seemed to be the club ship. Downside to that is that I'd really rather build the 100 version, don't really want multiples. Any other choices? Are Ducks much out of that range? Plan B is bagging wings for an Allegro fuse, seems more like a longer term plan. Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Ace vario...
Hi all, I'm fishing for a vario, used/older but still functional... I've had one nibble, someone with an Ace. Any feedback on this? I couldn't find much thru an internet search. Also, if you've got something that you'd consider parting with, I'm in the market for something I could use 2 or 3 times a year (eg, I'm not quite ready to splurge on an EagleTree with GPS yet). Thanks! Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Warmup HLG event
The DARTS club is having a mini hi-start (hlg) contest on May 13th. This is not on our normal events list, but we wanted to get a warmup in before our annual 2 day event. We'll robably start flying about 10am. There are no restrictions on what you can fly as long as a mini hi-start can launch it. Tasks will be set so it will not require you to be a marathon runner to compete. This is a good opportunity to blow the dust off your old hlg. Bring your dlg also, if numbers are sufficient we can also run some standard hlg rounds. Also, if you have anything you'd like to see at an event like this, let me know - this is meant to be a fun event, so we're pretty open. New fliers are encouraged to come out, might be a good opportunity to learn Thanks! Brent DARTS (www.daytonsoaring.org) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Initial CG on a scratch ship...
Thanks to all that gave me info on coming up with the CG last week - much appreciated. A couple overlapping techniques, a couple great links (now bookmarked), and a lot of experience brought to bear really helped. End result was a successful maiden and a still healthy ship. For those of you that threw out a number, 3 back from the LE seemed to be pretty darn close. That translated into a lead plug about the size of a small coffee cup (with a hole in it for the tow release). Again, the quick replies here were (are) much appreciated - shots of the maiden take off are at http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453840page=2pp=15 DARTS aerotow shots to follow when I get to more friendly computer. Lift, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Initial CG on a scratch ship...
Title: Initial CG on a scratch ship... Just trying to get a rough idea where to start here, what formula you might use to come up with a starting CG. Picture a 200 inch wing, root chord about 11 inches, tip about 5, straight leading edge, tapering TE. Modern airfoil, HQ 2.5, 12 - 10 percent thick. My thought was to go mid span, take some percentage of the chord there, then mark the root that far back - example: 30% of 8 becomes 2.4 inches - mark the root at 2.4 inches from the leading edge. 2 questions - how far off is that logic, how far off is 30%? I'm towing this ship for the first flight, so I'd like to be pretty close, erring to the nose heavy side. Thanks! Brent
[RCSE] DARTS Aerotow, Muncie, April 22-23
The DARTS are holding their annual Aerotow this weekend at AMA Headquarters in Muncie, Indiana. This is a two day sanctioned event, and it's always a great time. We usually have a couple large towplanes and skilled tug pilots, so bring out that scale project you've been working on and have a ball. The AMA field has a large runway, plenty of grass, and a world of sky to fly. Should be a good warmup for those of you that plan on flying the scale XC event at this year's Nats; if nothing else, there are always impressive ships to see. Contact me or Paul Siegel, CD, with any questions Hope you can make it, Brent www.daytonsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Need help programming JR 770 rcvr
Hi Bernie, I would set those up as though you had flaps- I think that means use the Gear and AUX2 slots on your RX. I think that's right - my 2nd guess is Throttle and AUX2. You could then use the crow settings to control those from your throttle stick, mixing in elevator as you need. That should get you the butterfly mix you want, just don't mix in the ailerons (assuming you run the rudder off that channel and the right stick). I'm stuck at work, or I'd check my setup, but I think that's right - aileron and aux1, gear and aux2 for a 4 servo wing is what I picture on my ship. Much luck,Brent From: Bernie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:15 AMTo: soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] Need help programming JR 770 rcvr I need help. I am trying to set up a 4 channel glider. Rud, elev, and two separate spoiler servos. It is a V tail and I have that working OK. But I dont know which channel to plug into in this rcvr. I use a JR 8103 Xmtr. The channels on the rcvr are Trottle Aile Rud gear Aug 1 Aug 2 I'm using the butterfly mix for spoi-elev to give me slight up elev when I activate the spoilers. I have one servo in each wing and don't want to use a y harness if possible. Any help would be much appreciated. Bernie
RE: [RCSE] JR RS6UL receiver full range?
I've used the 610s in several full range applications without any issues. Used one from time to time in my Paragon, flew that to the limits of my vision (which is fair, and that's a big ship). I also fly one in a 2-meter Allegro, and I've had no problems with that (using a handlaunch-type lacquered wire antenna) - again, I've had that out a long way. I have not used any of mine in an electric, so I can't say that wouldn't change the math - I doubt it would, especially if you have a decent speed controller. Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Covering Obeche over white foam
Unfortunately, no. I watched on RCGroups for any word, last I saw was his passport was used to leave the country (Puerto Rico?). His daughter would post periodically, sounded very - well, you can imagine how upsetting that must be. He sold me gear for a scale ship, had a couple long conversations about flying and scale ships, just seemed like a hell of a nice guy. I hope this is a middle age crazy thing and that he's living the high life some where. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Covering Obeche over white foam
Hey Russ, I can't find the article, think it disappered when Mr. Derstine did, but the gist of it was to use Ultracote. I've used that directly over foam, will take a much lower temperature. I'm going from memory, but the main point was to get a good surface first. Fine sand the obechi (200 going towards 400 grit), vacuum the dust, and then use a cheese cloth (?) and wipe the wings to get down to clean wood. I'm doing the same thing in the next 2 weeks - 5M obechi wings, bought some Ultracote in bulk - should be fun. Good luck! Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] HLG Batteries
Title: HLG Batteries I can't get to Yahoo Groups from work lately, and I wonder what you all are using for HLG batteries... Saw a 3-cell KAN setup, wondered if that was too exotic (also, did not get the MaH numbers, so I couldn't pursue that). Initially this would be for a poly, 2 servo ship, but I'd also like to know how much that changes for a 4 servo ship. I've just been out of HLG too long, any help would be great. Thanks, Brent
RE: [RCSE] Happy Thermal Holiday
Thanks for the heads up (literally), Tom - we seem to be getting some travelers going thru Dayton today... Just finished watching a small group go by after spending lunch purched on the top of our building. Them, not me. Lift must be great; they're going up quick. Showed a couple of the guys here the last group, and they were specked out before I mentioned Hinckley. Brent
[RCSE] redundancy for scale
Has anyone here ever set up a redundant battery and switch for a scale ship? Was it worth the trouble? I'm working out my servo / rx / battery tray, and I'm torn between duplicating everything or just using a Y on two batteries. The extreme would be having two RXs, splitting the plane, either left / right, maybe one for the wings the other for everything else. Without a split elevator, that's probably not worth pursuing (I probably couldn't land it if if I lost the elevator). In the end, I'm just looking for reliable power for a lot of servos. Any experiences you've had would be much appreciated. Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Soaring Masters...
Does anyone have a link to this event? Something that I could add to our club calendar? If not a link, a good blurb about when, how much, format of the event? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
That's the 2nd time that what I would consider a top flyer or top designer has talked completely differently about weight in a ship depending on where it's placed. Hmmm. I built the Drela Allegro-Lite last Fall, and for a 2-Meter built up ship, it will take as much lead as you can put in the belly - granted, it's a small belly, but still close to a pound. That in mind, when building the tips and tail feathers, weight was kept to a bare minumum, success measured in fractions of grams. The math supports it, if you care enough to fight through it, minimum speeds, mass and moment arms, headaches and sore eyes. All I really needed to hear (and basically hear again today) is that it affects how well your ship turns, how small a thermal you can work, the big things. Things I am filing away in case my thumbs ever catch up with that kind of advice... B RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Thanks, Phil - That is what I was thinking of, the inertia is the killer in when you start adding weight at the end of an arm. I don't know which installed setup is the lightest; I just thought it was interesting that Daryl defended keeping weight down near the tips. Brent * flies those foam wings (made by Phil), very happily RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] pink sailplanes, tailbooms
I made some kevlar and fiberglass tubes for an Allegro light I did last Summer; the first runs would not come off the form either. I was about to cut them off and start over, when I heard Sal's voice in my ear: heat, use heat. I swear that is from directions to take a twist out of a fuselage. I put the mandrel under HOT water, actually an Insinkerator, and it loosed up enough to get it off - maybe? Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Cinci dates..?
Title: Cinci dates..? Trying to coordinate the last couple contests before a club meeting - does anyone have the dates for Cinci's Memorial contest yet, is it 26-27 May? Are there any other big Midwest events in May to avoid? Just trying to get sanctions together and avoid conflicts with the other local clubs . Thanks, Brent
RE: [RCSE] long wings, flying in wind, finding that Xacto knife
Long wings? Has anyone seen Tony Elliott's 1/3 scale ETA? It's an amazing thing; if you haven't seen it, look for it in an older Silent Flight / SeModeler magazine. The full size is over 100 feet, a truly amazing ship in its own right. Tony helped me a lot over the last couple years, and he sent me the work in process shots of this thing - 4 piece wing, each section looks longer than my building room, the finished span (I had to pull up a picture in the background to convince myself of this) legitimately looks to be over 30 feet. I've seen pics of it in flight, but it'd be nice to see this at Muncie some time if only to see what those scale guys are capable of. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] graphics / sticker help...
Title: graphics / sticker help... I've seen some pretty interesting stickers on ships over the last couple years, Evil Inside comes to mind - wondered if anyone had a favorite source for these. Nostalgia / cartoon themes would be especially helpful. Thanks, Brent
RE: [RCSE] Re: Wood Crafters / Builders etc.
I agree that ARFs have their place in our hobby, especially for those of us that have the 8 to 5 jobs. I have to admit that I do like the spirit of events like Woodcrafters, if only in that it keeps the building segment of our hobby invigorated. That being said, it would be nice to at least recognize the builders - maybe not seperate events or contests, but maybe a seperate award? Top Fly what you Built and a package of 30 minute epoxy as a prize? Sort of serious there. Still fly and compete with the rest, just an acknowledgment of the craftsmanship. I guess I'm really looking for a way to encourage fliers or guests that only see the expensive side of the hobby. It's much easier to sell soaring if you can point out a $100 ship as a way to try us out; most people I've talked to sort of zone out when you say a ship cost $1,000 bucks without servos. It's an especially hard sell if they're standing there with a 12 year-old son or daughter that's the one interested. Maybe that's part of why it's easier to get new slopers out? Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] carbon boom interference, Ham guy inputs.
I made the mistake (teasing) of mentioning this to a Ham guy I work with. He looked at the picture of me, the radios, and the plane - immediately said you've got vertical and horizontal polarization. Then, yes, the carbon boom could be causing you issues in that orientation. A half hour and 2 chalkboards later... The best ideas he had was a triangle shape going out the wing, back the fuse, back via the other wing - optimally connecting to the ground of the battery. That blew my mind. Plan B is the antenna above or below the boom, trailing to a half wave - he guessed (not knowing all the details of RC radios) the antenna length to be 39 for a half wave. The other idea he had was 2 antennas, both 39 - one normal, run out one wing. The other antenna would be hooked to the battery ground, out the other wing. I suggested one down the wing, the other down the boom. He said that would probably be bad, too directional. The triangle approach sounds interesting, anyone else hear something similar? He thinks that if you do it right, you get the RX into a vertical polarization, more like the transmitter. Thanks to all who've given input on this! Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] carbon boom interference, redux
I set up an Allegro, magnet wire antenna run external to the boom - loose wraps back to the rudder. I have since seen some erratic flying; hard down when it's headed directly at me (from a turn, not far out). I've not had the problems at distance, but more like a quarter mile out, under 500 feet. Saved it both times, maybe by turning the tranny to a 1o o'clock position. Looking thru the archives here (and the Allegro group), I've seen some discussion on this. Any thoughts? Could the boom still be casting a shadow here? I had assumed that getting outside of boom would help, and that going around it would expose the antenna from all directions - now I'm not so sure. I'm considering running directly back to the rudder, maybe just to isolate this. Thoughts? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] AG35 file format
I use Profile 2.2 (Frankie Arzu in the Help/About screen), and it read those files. I also downloaded and used the .DAT files from Charles River's site, same story. The trailing edge leadout always goes straight up, but certainly the airfoils looks OK. Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: RE: [RCSE] XC at Nats
Just a reminder, the DARTS run a scale Aerotow each year at Muncie, typically the last weekend in April. It's a good chance to come out and get some stick time on the big ships prior to Nats and the JR aerotow(s). Brent www.daytonsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Beginner's radio
I like the Hitec Flash radios; a Flash 4 is pretty cheap now, and they do basic mixing and can store multiple planes. Might be nice to have the 5, too - would have a little more growth potential before having to move up to a more pricey radio. You could also do their Neon, but it really doesn't leave much room to grow before you'd be shopping again. Good luck and Happy Holidays, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] hlg bagging question
Title: hlg bagging question Just a quickie - say you're doing an aileron HLG wing, no dihedral (or minimal) Question is, do you bag it as one piece, or would you bag left and right halves to join later? I could see arguments for both, but I'm just looking for the logic I'm overlooking. Thanks and Happy Holidays, Brent
[RCSE] night and day....
I have been messing around with making composite wings for a while now, but the foam cutting was always such a hassle... I can't count how many times I recut a section before I got it right, stuck on the beginning of the LE, didn't drop into the lower surface correctly, etc. I finally decided to make a suspension setup for my feather cut, and I am kicking myself for not doing this sooner. Suspended a 4 foot section of 3/4 dowel above the cutting board, perpendicular to the wire, and I hung the bow from a loop that slides over the dowel. It is just so much more reliable, if only because the bow doesn't want to hang up on the template and the wheel doesn't take the bow off diagonally on a tapered cut. Just passing that on, in case you have not tried this - took me about 10 minutes to set up, would have been worth it if it took a day. Good luck, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RE: New Ebay Scam - it happened to me, and I am not a sucker!
The rule of thumb is that if you don't get see the message in My Messages in Ebay itself, it's not to be trusted. Good luck, B RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] micro sloper....
My brother went sloping this weekend with me, had a good time... Now he's ordered a Combat Wing ARF, but he was looking to build something - liked the idea of a light, light ship. Has anyone here flown the Alula? Is it a good flying plane?? Any other suggestions for something similar, a Weasel or the like?Goal is something to work light lift, should be foam . Bonus points if he gets to buy micro equipment - he likes the research as much as the building. Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: New Ky DS Record Set Today in Frankfort!
One of the most common problems when you are trying to learn to DS is to not dive deep enough to get through the boundry layer. This probably is what I did, coupled with getting too far from the back of the dam - I write that off to lingering in the top layer you described. Hopefully I get some opportunities to work this out over the Winter months here - if my hands can take it (still cold from yesterday). Thanks again, Brent www.daytonsoaring.org *I added a pic of the frontside here to the rotating pics on the welcome page RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hawk VS HalfPipe
If you're in the Midwest and can get out and slope today, get out. I got about 20 minutes in over lunch, flying in winds 20+mph out of the S/SW, sloping over the river. I've been flying this location with a HLG the last couple weeks, but it's strong enough out today that the foam seemed to be a better choice. No way to go to the backside where I fly, but the front is a long, subtle bowl, with a lot of nothing out front. Anyway, trying to get my touch back after flying slow all Summer, and I see what I thought was a seagull come in from over my shoulder. Don't see him again for another few minutes, but it turns out he had moved back and above me (not my ship). As I did a pass back down the face of the bowl, he moved in. It was very impressive; he never flapped, didn't seem to be trying to hard, but he moved directly into my 'six'. I was concerned about flying into him, so I dropped and moved out over the water. He never got more than about 3 feet from me, following me thru the whole maneuver. I did one more run back at myself and around the circuit, he tucked in on me once, then decided I didn't know what the hell I was doing and moved out. Only saw him one more time; as I was putting my stuff back into the car. He dropped in above my car, did a little half roll to get a better look, then went back to cruising the shore line. I assume he was curious as to what I was putting in the car, or maybe he was telling me to practice more and come look him back up when I was a lot better. Lift, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Test flights for a large ship
It's looking like I may finish a large ship this winter, and I wonder what's the best way to try it out (without an aerotow) I picture it being around 18 pounds, and I bet that makes a standard hand toss a bad idea. My thought is a winch launch and no quick moves, but would a slope flight or a toss down a slight grade be better? Just hold off and tow it?? Thanks in advance, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New experiences and questions
That reminds me - I started looking for a LoLo, and I only found lomcovak. Does anyone 'locally' deal in these? Johnny? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Looking for SBXC/Trade
How exactly do you run XC contests, what kind of format do you all use? Very curious, seems like it would be a blast. Any websites / clubsites you could recommend? Also, how big is an XC (I've seen pics, but weight, etc)? I am going to make myself finish my scale project this winter, wonder if it would work. Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 300 mph broken
I read the part about friction sparks, assumed that was for dramatic effect - tell me that was the old Letterman writer embellishments. B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Power System for Wind Dancer
I got a chance to fly the Wind Dancer Sunday with the stock Speed 400 geared setup, and it's more than adequate... Dr. Drela says that you can run the SP400 direct, also - the ship is clean enough that it can make use of the higher speed. An outrunner or a small, geared brushless would also work, but you can get this ship flying well for cheap. Good luck,Bren
[RCSE] Fall Sloping, Cumberland?
Anyone hear about the annual slope fest this year? I can't find my email from last year, but I think there's one coming up soon near Cumberland Gap. Anyone have more specifics? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] speed controller question
Hi all, I pulled out an old Schulze controller yesterday for an electric event, and I could not get it to work. It's basically an MCD-99, future 88. Back in the shop, I found it would only work with a receiver battery, but I swear I have used this in a BEC setup on 8 cells. If you've used this setup or similar*, any suggestions for getting it running without the RX battery? It's already back out of the ship, but I'd like to use it again, and that's the natural configuration I'd go to. Thanks, Brent * plan b is buy it from me, with a Plettenberg 220-20 5:1 gb, and I'll goo back to the shallow end... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] slope ship question
With Fall around the corner, I've been looking for a slope ship. I have some nice slope wings, but I want something more conventional looking - foamie or other. I've been considering something like a Mini-Nyx or a Prodij, but I was also looking at the 60 slope racer from Steve Drake. I'm really looking for a pocket rocket for those bigger air days, but it would be a nice bonus if it would fly in lighter air, too. Suggestions, personal experiences? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Level V task completed
Congratulations Paul, nice to see your LSF level looking more representative of your flying skills. Lift, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Long music wire????
I tried a music store, and they seemed willing to help - it was very busy, and I had to leave, but they acted as thought they had spools of wire for the pianos Maybe?Good luck, Brent
RE: [RCSE] Soaring in the Bluegrass/OVSS #6
Hi Chip, Hope it helps, would like to see you back at the DARTS field some time - you always had some nice toys to fly, and I remember you making some pretty interesting saves over the cornfield. Much luck with the recovery. Brent webmaster www.daytonsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Teaching a kid
What about moving him to a 'cooler' RES ship, like a Resolution or a Victory? Something that looks more like the open class ships, but maybe is a little more poly-like? I know I moved to my Open ship about a year early, and I think it cost me over the long run. I'd have been better served to hang back a year, learn to read the air instead of working the new ship. Plan B might be to get him an Agea or similar 3 piece with with a good angle on the tip sections Lucky kid ; ) Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Teaching a kid
Hi Jeff, I think Sal at Northeast Sailplanes still sells the Victory at www.nesail.com, check out www.hilaunch.com for info on the RESolution (if it's not on Nesail, too). I've seen both at quite a few contests, and they can be pretty competitive - certainly a big step up from a Spirt. Good luck, Brent *I'm guessing a bit, those sites are all blocked here. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DARTS LMR Contest Sunday Aug 21, 10am
The DARTS are holding the 4th annual LMR contest next Sunday, pilots' meeting 10:00am. We have been run 2 classes, Speed 400 Open and unlimited, 7 cell Nicad / Nimh. Run times will be generous, soaring task will depend on the weather, but typically runs between 8 and 10 minutes after shut off. We'll fly at least 3 rounds, rest depends on fliers' consensus. The Speed 400 class is just that - any plane you want, as long as it's powered by a can, brushed Speed 400. Gearboxes are fine. Graupner, Rocket, etc - cobalts will probably fall into unlimited. The Unlimited category is just limited by the battery - whatever you can get in the air. I would consider an 8 cell plane if that's what you have. If you can get 2 packs ready to go, that would help keep things moving. This is just short of a fun fly, bring whatever you have and enjoy. Landing fee is $1 to subsidize the parks department. Contact me for any questions. Brent www.daytonsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] dayton flying sites
Hi Bill, There are at least 2 - the DARTS (www.daytonsoaring.org) and the Wingmasters (www.wingmasters.org). If you're military or ex, you can also fly at WPAFB, but they have a pretty low ceiling. Go figure. The Darts field is better for sailplanes, very wide open, no gas planes to compete with. We're located between Wright Patt and Yellow Springs (map on the website), a horse and soccer park with miles of farm field around it. Darts have 2 contests this weekend and an electric (F5J) next week, contact me if you're just looking to get out (and I'll ping the group). The wingmasters field sits is a gas and electric field, but they do fly sailplanes, especially in the early part of the day. A pretty good group of guys will typically be out there late morning, early afternoon thru the week. I assume that's a perk of being retired ; ) . Lots of turbulence around the edges of the field, just a heads up. It's located off of Needmore, north of downtown, between Main and Dixie (Wegerzyn Gardens). The best hobby shops aroundare RCHobby- up Harshman from the AF Museum, Radical RC (off Springfield, across from the museum), and another store by the Dayton Mall (741 / 725 intersection). Visit the museum if you can, they've really got some interesting planes. Welcome to the area, Brent webmaster, DARTS
[RCSE] bad chatter problem
Ok, I'm trying to help a friend diagnose and hopefully resolve a chatter problem... It's a standard GL, and it gets big chatter, full throw up and down, in different orientations. Only suspicious thing is that he used metal pushrods instead of the 1/4 inch balsa setup standard to the GL. We moved the antenna outside the fuse, on the leading edge of the wing. No joy. Changed to a different transmitter, no joy. He's looking to replace the receiver, but he made the comment that he was using a 5 cell battery pack. Is there any way that 6V driving a 555 and a pair of micro (HS81) servos could be a problem? I'm thinking it's probably a bad board / crystal or a loose solder joint, but that battery pack is a wildcard to me - anyone? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Nats HLG Rules Update
When you put it like that, it makes a lot of sense. I am curious about the 2nd point that Chris brought up, tho - what happens if you get hit by another contestant? I can't imagine that any sane person would try and hit someone (as was suggested, I hope to make a point), but say you do get hit, hard enough to cause some flying issues? Is there any relief, something that a CD could or should do? I assume you can't just relight a group like you might in TD, but what options would there be to make a reasonable attempt to work it out with that pilot? Just curious - more curious since I've been drifing back into HL, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] best bagging site
Just looking for a good site for wing bagging info; I'm wanting to do a set of HLG wings, and I've had mized success to this point. I signed up for the Side Arm Launch group, anything better? Would also be open to the link to Phil's bagging DVD. Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 2 meter r hurts.Dayton! - The winners?
The winner was a Columbus native, a double LSF-V - Don Harris. I think he said he's won more 2-meter contests than any other kind, a testament to his air reading. Planes were all over the place - a pair of Manti, a Super V, 2 Organics, a Seeker (in the top 3 , Bruce Herider's been en fuego lately). Fairly sure a Gnome took wood (Ken Davidson). 2 Ducks did well, and Barry Anderson's Monarch still flew well. I backed my car over a Spirit Elite, repeatedly. Anyone know what Don's plane is called? I think it's a hybrid, for lack of a nicer word. PS - first Gordy exposure, he gave me some pretty good pointers on Saturday, probably earned me an extra 500 points. Something tells me he's a salesman. Thanks to all who came and flew, was a great 2 days. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What about South Carolina, Charleston area?
We're going to Folly Island in a couple weeks, any sloping sites nearby - general Charleston area? Last trip to Outer Banks let me slope off the dunes facing the ocean each evening, but it was fairly tame. Anything better in this area? Thanks! Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DARTS Sanctioned Contests - Unlimited 7/9 and 2-Meter (Ohio's Cup) 7/10
The DARTS are holding a pair of one day contests this weekend, Unlimited on Saturday and 2-Meter on Sunday. The 2 Meter contest is part of the annual Ohio's Cup scoring, and it's a great tune up for Nats. $15 a contest, $25 for both days, trophies for Top 3 finishers each day. The DARTS use real balls, and we fly seeded man on man solely. Pilots' meeting 930am each morning. Hope to see you there, Brent Webmaster, www.daytonsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DARTS Sanctioned Nostalgia and RES contests this weekend (June 18th-19th)
This weekend the DARTS will be hosting their annual Nostalgia and RES contests. These are seperate, one day contests with Nostalgia on Saturday and RES on Sunday. Entry fees are 15 per contest or 25 for the weekend. Trophies for top 3 places (at least). Both contests will be flown seeded man on man, and there will be a generous spacing on launches for the Nostalgia contest (to avoid any problems with launching the woodies). Pilots meeting will be at 930, with flying to start immediately after. Map to the field on our home page, www.daytonsoaring.org. Weather looks to be great in Dayton this weekend, hope to see you there.
[RCSE] rapid charge l-ion?
One of my techie co-workers emailed this to me... Toshiba's coming out with rapid charge Lithium Ion cells, 80% charge in less than a minute. Can maintain this for 1,000 charges, if you believe the literature. Anyone see this yet? www.techjapan.com/Article949.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] kevlar tow - spar wrapping
For anyone that's done a Bubble Dancer or Allegro, or anyone that's used a kevlar wrap on a composite spar - what kind of tow did you use? I checked ACP and CST, found thread, .025, and .038 braided - I am leaning towards the thread based on thickness alone. I'm open to suggestions from someone that's been down this road already. Plan B was dental floss, but I'd rather do this project to spec. Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend
Where do you all find these? I'd like to propose one to the DARTS. Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
