Quote colorizer
I just stumbled on this page, and the quote colorizer works nicely, at least for me. Not packaged or anything, but I dropped the css into a profile chrome directory and it works fine. http://stick.gk2.sk/blog/2010/01/make-your-emails-more-colorful/ If I could combine this with the quote compressor from 1.1.18 I'd be really happy. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new form manager is great
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-21 8:32 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: I really love the new sort of fill-in-the-blank technique. It takes a little getting used to because at first all you see is the blank entry on the form. But as soon as you type the first letter the pull down list of choice appears. This is great for managing both login usernames and other stuff. Is this a joke? Of course not. :-) I don't think you believe that all users have the same opinion on every feature. Well this is the very first and only person I have every met who actually /likes/ the new crippled forms manager. And I confess that having tried a few "extensions" I have continued to use 1.1.18 for sites where I have to fill out forms. Not only does it take too long, but having each field independent makes it way too easy to make a mistake and get the billing code for one location with the address of another, or grab the wrong zip code. There is a special place in hell for any form which doesn't let me enter the zip code and then fill in the city and state for me. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new form manager is great
Rick Merrill wrote: I really love the new sort of fill-in-the-blank technique. It takes a little getting used to because at first all you see is the blank entry on the form. But as soon as you type the first letter the pull down list of choice appears. This is great for managing both login usernames and other stuff. Is this a joke? One of the most frequently mentioned missing features in SM 2 is a forms manager. What you have is a "fields manager," which works on a per-field basis. So if I have a form with 50-60 things to fill in (I do) and several sets of values for a few of these fields, you get to go to each and every field, remembering every field that changes, and select. Think an order form where you have six offices where things are sent and the recipient's name, address, phone, and billing info are SETS of values rather than unrelated alternate values for each field. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gmail interface for SM 2
Leonidas Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: BJ wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Philip Chee wrote: /snip/ But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon, or AT&T, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out. GMail does indeed offer both POP3 and IMAP for use in mail clients. I think that is the misunderstanding. The webmail interface for GMail is charitably described as "clunky". I would describe it as unusable. No, I have had to use it once or twice on the road, and clunky it is. But why would anyone do that with SM? Using Gmail from the browser interface is just the wrong thing to do. :-( The only reason I can use GMail is to use it in SeaMonkey Mail/News as an IMAP account. There it behaves just like any other IMAP account. The POP version also behaves like any other POP account. I think we are comaring the Web interface with the Mail client interface. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gmail interface for SM 2
BJ wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote: I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this for Seamonkey? Using SM2 on a WinXP system. There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could you be more specific? Phil Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll report back when I have more specific information. I don't understand what you mean by "Gmail's interface" being clunky. If you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other? While the OP may answer that anyway, it is a question of aesthetics, and thus very very subjective (I don't understand it either, but then I don't understand what's so special, and appealing to some, about modern art . . . hell, I wouldn't even know what "modern art" would be even if I was looking right at it). You can't really crawl into someone's subjective reasoning. So, one person's "clunky Gmail interface" can be another's "beautiful and efficient Gmail interface" (I wouldn't go so far myself to describe it as "beautiful", but it seems fine to me). Will be interested to see the OP's answer. But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon, or AT&T, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help with Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Cecil Bankston wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Is there a newsgroup for Lightning support? Or is there some other way for me to ask some questions? I'm having some problems. Thanks. Lightning 1.0b2pre installed with no problems and seems to be working well in SM 2.0.2. Get the latest (Windows) nightly build from this URL: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/win32-xpi/ I think I recall that the latest release version would not install in SM 2.x. The latest Linux version(s) sure don't. I tried the latest-comm* versions, and the plain latest, and all are rejected as "not compatible." Looks like we no longer have the ability to disable that checking, I tried a new profile and a theme I've used before, with the Checkcompatability set false, and the theme, which installed on 2.0.2, no longer installs. Sure wish there was a way to exit nanny mode and really disable compatibility checking. If the process blows up, that's my fault, if SM won't let me try that a bug in my book. Anyway, can't even try Lightning for Linux. Oh, before someone asks, YES, I do get the yellow warning tag saying I have disabled compatibility. Not enough, obviously... Well I was wrong in some way, after a removal of the xpi and a fresh install, I get a calendar function more or less, although I can't enter any events on the calendar. Something odd about the compatibility check, maybe rebooting SM wasn't enough and I had to make the change before attempting the install. Oh, the test theme worked after that, too. Something odd, but not as odd as it appeared at first. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help with Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Cecil Bankston wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Is there a newsgroup for Lightning support? Or is there some other way for me to ask some questions? I'm having some problems. Thanks. Lightning 1.0b2pre installed with no problems and seems to be working well in SM 2.0.2. Get the latest (Windows) nightly build from this URL: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/win32-xpi/ I think I recall that the latest release version would not install in SM 2.x. The latest Linux version(s) sure don't. I tried the latest-comm* versions, and the plain latest, and all are rejected as "not compatible." Looks like we no longer have the ability to disable that checking, I tried a new profile and a theme I've used before, with the Checkcompatability set false, and the theme, which installed on 2.0.2, no longer installs. Sure wish there was a way to exit nanny mode and really disable compatibility checking. If the process blows up, that's my fault, if SM won't let me try that a bug in my book. Anyway, can't even try Lightning for Linux. Oh, before someone asks, YES, I do get the yellow warning tag saying I have disabled compatibility. Not enough, obviously... -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help with Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0
Cecil Bankston wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Is there a newsgroup for Lightning support? Or is there some other way for me to ask some questions? I'm having some problems. Thanks. Lightning 1.0b2pre installed with no problems and seems to be working well in SM 2.0.2. Get the latest (Windows) nightly build from this URL: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/win32-xpi/ I think I recall that the latest release version would not install in SM 2.x. The latest Linux version(s) sure don't. I tried the latest-comm* versions, and the plain latest, and all are rejected as "not compatible." Looks like we no longer have the ability to disable that checking, I tried a new profile and a theme I've used before, with the Checkcompatability set false, and the theme, which installed on 2.0.2, no longer installs. Sure wish there was a way to exit nanny mode and really disable compatibility checking. If the process blows up, that's my fault, if SM won't let me try that a bug in my book. Anyway, can't even try Lightning for Linux. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
1.1.18 => 2.0.x migrate ignores chatzilla?
Why do I get an empty chatzilla after migrate? No preference, no scripts, empty virgin CZ like I downloaded it from the website. It's bad enough that users have to migrate every profile totally manually if they have more than one, but the CZ didn't migrate it looks like a clean new install. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gmail interface for SM 2
Jeffrey Needle wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote: I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this for Seamonkey? Using SM2 on a WinXP system. There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could you be more specific? Phil Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll report back when I have more specific information. I don't understand what you mean by "Gmail's interface" being clunky. If you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other? -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Linux] SeaMonkey 2.x Olympics
NoOp wrote: For all of you SM 2.x users out there that may be trying to watch videos on the www.nbcolympics.com site and once again are running into the proprietary MS Windows Silverlight issues; I've *finally* managed to get the videos running with moonlight[1] in SeaMonkey 2.0.3. Initial links to the standard moonlight 2.0 plugins don't work. Instead you'll need to install the 2.99.x/3.0 preview version instead: http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/prerelease.aspx Only after installing the .xpi was I able to view the videos. [1] Yes, I know it's mono, yes I know it's the Novell/Microsoft evil empire contract, but yes I also know that it's worth putting mono & moonlight up (at least temporarily) in order to show the Olympics in linux & SeaMonkey 2.x. :-) Wish there was a way to D/L the clips in some standard format, I have sort of been avoiding moonlight, for all the obvious reasons. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ping Q . . . Claws Mail
»Q« wrote: In <news:t4odnrkkoe5z7fvwnz2dnuvz_rkdn...@mozilla.org>, BJ wrote: Hey Q, Why do you use Claws mail instead of TB or SM? What features does it have that they don't? (I'm assuming that you use it for features that SM or TB don't have . . . or is it just "personal preference"?) I haven't compared any feature with recent versions of SM or TB, and I don't think comparisons of Claws Mail with obsolete Mozilla products would do any good. I have TB 3 installed, but so far I've only looked at how it handles rss, not mail or news. The Claws Mail site has a lengthy features list. If you're interested in any of them, ping me in m.general and I'll answer whatever I can about them. So, why do you use SM instead of Claws Mail? ;) Got tired of using multiple products which played less well with each other if the developers had a bad burrito. I get browse, mail (with pretty decent filters), NNTP(news), RSS, a website validator, an HTML composer, and an IRC client. And if you find extensions useful many of FF and TB work (may need to disable compatibility checks if the author didn't include SM). -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
BeeNeR wrote: On or about 2/6/2010 2:25 PM, NoOp typed the following: On 02/05/2010 07:49 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: Don't have OpenOffice. Mac builds are a little different, but should work fine. Give OOo a spin: http://www.openoffice.org/ http://download.openoffice.org/index.html http://download.openoffice.org/other.html http://support.openoffice.org/index.html And specific to Mac: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/index.html I've been using 00 since version 1. Now on 3.1.1 and I have so much confidence in it I have removed M$ Office from my home machine. I wrote a novel using OO, in general my problems were in the "I don't know how to" rather than "OO can't do" class. Future warning: November is "write a novel in a month" challenge month. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Missing LPR command dialog in Seamonkey 2/very basic Linux
Peter Nieman wrote: On 04/02/10 11:40, Miro wrote: Seamonkey 2.0.x seems to ignore most of these, and does not recognize any printer, only presents the possibility Print to File. For me (Debian user), the solution was to add the following line to the file ".gtkrc-2.0" in my home directory: gtk-print-backends = "lpr,file" Create a new file with that name and content, if it does not exist. However, Seamonkey does not remember any changes to the printing command you might wish to make in the print dialog. I think that's a known bug (in GTK perhaps). As far as I am concerned that is a bug fix, I had to rewrite the command every time I wanted to do some extra processing. I think the best solution would be to have a checkbox for "make this the default command" like the one in remembering passwords. That way someone who uses filtering more than rarely would not mess up their default command. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Mail Filters
Donald D Henson wrote: Is anyone else having problems with mail filters. I have some that work ok but others do strange and wonderful things. For example, I have a filter for Seamonkey messages. Occasionally, the filter will, all by itself, disable itself. Now it's copying messages rather than moving them. I haven't done any extensive troubleshooting but I will if others are having similar problems. If anyone has already figured it out, please let me know. Thanks. What version? I have no trouble where I read my non-critical mail amd follow my rss feeds, I have six mail account, three news account, and ~170 rss feeds, with about 100 filters doing a lot of triage. As of this afternoon all working well with 2.0.2. Just checked another machine with about 25 rules is still fine with 2.0.3pre-recent. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!
Jens Hatlak wrote: Philip Chee wrote: I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors. Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't tested that it actually fills in forms at all. I haven't tested extensively either but it seems to do the job. Installs fine, the toolbar button is there after the restart and works, settings are accessible and appear to work, saving a form and letting SM fill one in using a saved profile works, too. The context menu entries do as advertised as well. Good job! :-) Now where are all those people screaming around time and again, demanding "bring back form manager"? It'll be interesting to see what they say, or if they react at all to this. Anyway, thanks for your efforts! I put it on my to-do list, the next time I have to fill in a problem form I'll activate and test it. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
Bill Davidsen wrote: My apoligies for the replies without content, it looks as if the CNTL key on my keyboard stuck or the system lost track of the setting. When I hit ENTER for the next line the message was sent. George Carden I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: "Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2." -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
George Carden wrote: I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: "Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2." Many, if not most, of the themes and extensions I use require turning off the compatibility check. I would suggest that a setting of "ask" rather than just true or false would be appropriate but this is a boolean, and I think only documented in the posts of developers. If "ask" were available, noting if the item was compatible with any SM 2.x version would be useful. Anyway, make your own choice if you should disable that check or not, it drops responsibility on you. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
George Carden I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: "Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2." -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
George Carden I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: "Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2." -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Mike C wrote: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? I run 1.1.18 on machines which use forms heavily. The forms management in the 2.x Seamonkey is inconvenient (I'm being polite) when the same form is filled with a number of sets of data. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: As I said, It ain't going to happen, Unless someone comes up with an extension to add it back. And that not going to pass with the mozilla big-wigs. They don't want it. An extension probably cannot change this, what it would need would be a thorough security review of the affected code. It's not about wanting or not wanting it, it's about being able to guarantee security. This seems to be a concept that a number of people here don't seem to grasp anyhow, or intentionally neglect. The concept missed is that's its OUR computer. No one is asking you to guarantee security or anything else, we just want the option of JS on a per-newsgroup or rss feed basis. I agree it should be turned off, I'm comfortable that the option to turn it on have all sorts of warnings, but you sound like a mix of Microsodft and a smothering mother, saying that you know whats best. It's one thing to to leave a feature out because it isn't in TB or FF, but to take away user choice is a different thing. No JS as a global option is a prudent choice, no way to turn it on in trusted environments is removal of a feature some of us find useful. People who ignore the warning and want it on either know what they are doing, or should be allowed to take themselves out of the gene pool. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: I still find it useful, but the two things I find most missing are never going to be there because they are not in the base codes of FF and TB. Unless someone comes up and writes code that implements them based on the SM2 base - and everyone is welcome to that. I am sad that SM went with the FF browser intead of following the webkit route Webkit was never in any discussion, I wonder why you think it was. Mozilla is not in any way related to Webkit and SeaMonkey is and always was a complete Mozilla project. So I have no idea what you are up to here right now other than to play a troll... Seamonkey had the chance at 2.x to go in another direction, and chose to continue using the old software in a slightly updated form, while a number of other browsers went with webkit. And it may never have been "in play," however you choose to define that, but I believe that I mentioned my hope that it would be in the new Seamonkey, so you were not unaware that webkit existed and was getting contributions from other browsers. I want watched threads in mail, too, but we never had that. Feel free to write a patch. And do what with it? There seems to be no established place where patches are posted for testing and comment, I have the impression that unlink LKML there isn't a mailing list for public patch testing, just the once a day release of code submitted by developers. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Russell schrieb: I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors' decision with the Firefox crowd to justify Mozilla supporting a second browser project, and they then agreed that Seamonkey would only continue as an integrated suite, and that's the only way users will be able to use it (fatal error imo). It's interesting that you know of decisions the project organizing way doesn't know about. It must be nice to see conspiracies everywhere. Robert Kaiser I don't know that I'd call it "conspiracy", but in looking at Firefox, Safari, Camino, Google Chrome, and now SM 2.x there certainly seems to be a vast amount of code sharing/swapping going on...the default interfaces are in a lot of cases nearly identical with the exception of colors in some cases. And though SM still offers more Pref settings choices, the Prefs choices available in the others are also near to identical. At least that's the impression I'm left with after a high level look at all of the Mac versions. If this is to be/become the case, the OP certainly has a point about loss of independence (either by choice or necessity) of code and functionality for all of the efforts - not just SM. If that's a business decision then that's the decision...but it sort of does bode for less genuine choice for the user between the packages in the end. Here I must agree, Seamonkey seems to have moved from being a "project" with its own flavor, to being a mashup of FF and TB. I still find it useful, but the two things I find most missing are never going to be there because they are not in the base codes of FF and TB. One of the major draws to SM for me other than it being an integrated suite was that it did things and allowed me choices I couldn't get elsewhere...some of those features noticably vanished with SM 2.x.x, and the thought that this could be a trend is responsible for me looking for alternatives, too. I am sad that SM went with the FF browser intead of following the webkit route, but I realize Moz politics are involved, and siding with Chrome and Safari (IIRC) going another way wasn't politically possible, but those two projects seem to have chosen the best tech out there without political consideration, and they seem to be feeding stuff back into it. As I've stated previously, if I could blend one or two key features of Opera with everything I had in SM 1.1.18 I'd declare near perfection. The removal of form manager leaves me on 1.1.18 until the heat death of the universe, I simply am not happy with 2.0.x or the extensions available for forms, so that's kind of a dead end. The whole premise of forms as they are is wrong, it's a form field manager, not treating the form as a whole but a collection of possible vales for the fields. I want watched threads in mail, too, but we never had that. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tutorial?
BJ wrote: Am trying out SeaMonkey (2.02, Ubuntu 9.10) and am brand new to this thing. Defaults are still TB and FF. Messing around right now and clicking on everything just to see how it drives. But want to get serious eventually, so is there a good tutorial you guys can point me to? Wish I could, there was one I had bookmarked for SM 1.1.xx series, but honestly 1.1.xx and 2.x.x are compatible mostly at the acronym level, consider the suite as a wild animal, and poke it here and there to see what it does. You are probably learning faster than reading a tutorial, browsing through the menus and about:config will give you things to try. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Possible minor bug
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I've just noticed a minor bug I've had to go to several websites (bank and such today - Pay bills - every one has to). I just noticed the padlock remains open even on secure sites Only the the background changes from white to yellow. This is on any https site. The padlock should change Background , and the it should appear locked. Phillip, I just checked my two banking sites. The first, my everyday money account is with a credit union www.defcredit.com.au, and when I selected that I wanted to log-in an new page opened and the lock was closed. With the second bank, my home loan account www.westpac.com.au, even at its main page there is no padlock, open or closed, just a "Westpac Banking Corporation" panel in the bottom right, which if you mouse-over, shows a "Authenticated by Verisign.Inc" screen. Maybe it's not a bug with SeaMonkey2.x.x!! Daniel Yes it turns out the theme I was using was the fault. which was the Orbit 3+1 2.0 is the fault. Looks I can't find an outside Theme other than the two SeaMonkey themes that work right. Shucks what the heck is wrong with these theme writer. I had gotten use to the orbit theme. Well that seems to be the only thing wrong with it. I like it so much I'll use it despite this defect. I don't suppose the author comes to this forum. I just checked "Mostly Crystal" (v2.0.1) works correctly on the lock, although only the icon in the selector bar gets a yellow background. Obvious what it means, though. I should check my other themes, but time is short and the only themes I use regularly are Mostly Crystal and Halloween, the latter for classes, to get people looking at the screen. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: E-Mail adress suggestions
Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I did not know if i am dreaming or not, but i have the impression that: with SM1.1.18 the mail adress suggestions list when begining to type an adress was a list beginning with/sorted by "last recently used". Now with SM 2.0.2 it looks like a sort of a strange alphabetic order. Is a bug already filled ? Am i wrong ? Nobody have seen this ? I think it's some kind of weighted LRU, I get the impression that if you make the same choice it rises (or something like that). If I email someone at their home rather than work the order changes at times. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Form Managers / Fillers
Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 18 janvier 2010, Lucas Levrel a écrit : On 19 nov 2009, Jens Hatlak posted in this forum a how-to about installing Form Autofill, a Firefox add-on that does the trick. The exact name is Autofill Forms -- sorry for the mistake. Here's the link: https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/4775 Wanted to add a comment no version SM 2.0 but I can't speak French What happens when you click "translate this page?" The translate is good enough to let me follow blogs in Chinese. ;-) -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Form Managers / Fillers
Phillip Jones wrote: I've resigned myself to admit. as much fussing and gnashing of teeth we users do a bout a missing feature it goes in one ear and out the other. Developers, Develop, and have no interest in what the end user wants or needs. It's not that the developers don't care, it's that Seamonkey is just a mashup of Firefox, Thunderbird, and Chazilla. It's not independent code, so unless Firefox gets a decent forms manager I can't see one in Seamonkey. The goal seems to be to provide the suite option with a minimum of resources rather than to fork an independent code base which could have enhanced features, like the webkit code chrome and safari reportedly are using. That's done quite well. From Robert's constant comments about resources, I suspect that what we have is a struggle. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 14/01/10 01:00, Bill Davidsen ha scritto: Andrea Govoni wrote: This is true for e-mails but not for newsgroups messages, AFAIK. So what's the point of having "Sort by --> Received" even for newsgroups and what does it actually do for newsgroups messages? It seems a bug to me. Seems to sort by the date received on the server. I'm not sure that's totally useful, but each article in a group is assigned a consecutive number in ascending order, so this sort is possible. This makes sense, thank you very much. FWIW, I think that all the details of the various sorting options that came out of this discussion should be available in the integrated SeaMonkey Help. At this time, they aren't. Do you think it is worth a bug report? I think it deserves an rfe (request for enhancement) on the topic, yes. Report thru bugzilla. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM v.2.01 - Multiple Profile Installation Question
Smiles wrote: I have tried 4 times to move to SM v.2.01 If I leave my profile as is it always chooses the wrong profile to move and set up as default. So I remove the other 3 giving it only one option this is my primary account, having 9 accounts in default profile location and it has three accounts with files on my G drive as long term storage going back 11 years. SM v.2.01 wants to move all that data to its default mail profile on C. Any idea on how to stop that? I think the whole idea of setting a profile up as default is a bug. If the name is not "default" then whatever profile it migrates should keep its name. Next how can I add the other profiles if I move them back to old profile they always get added to my default profile when imported. If I use profile manger I do not seem to pick up my old profile. I need to see only the currant profile I log into I do screen shots for teaching on two profiles plus this profile for my eight news servers. I do not want any cross readability shown. Migrate one, rename it from default to the proper name, then migrate the rest? I haven't tried this, but it seems sane, although my automatic migrates always did the right thing for the first. I'd like a sensible way to migrate a profile giving the old and new name. I still think that the migration tool should have been a separate software, not built-in, then capabilities could be added. It could even have been written in such a way that people didn't have to invest weeks in code study before rewriting or enhancing. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 12/01/10 05:10, Paul B. Gallagher ha scritto: OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. This is true for e-mails but not for newsgroups messages, AFAIK. So what's the point of having "Sort by --> Received" even for newsgroups and what does it actually do for newsgroups messages? It seems a bug to me. Seems to sort by the date received on the server. I'm not sure that's totally useful, but each article in a group is assigned a consecutive number in ascending order, so this sort is possible. If you look at the full headers, the Xref: header last field is the group name, a colon, and the article number within the group. the field before that is the name of the server which assigned the article number, often the hosting server name, but in this case the numbering server name. The most likely software is Highwind Software, they introduced a shared numbering server after Y2k. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.
Phillip Pi wrote: Bah, it was fine on my new office machine and now it has duplicate login prompts too. :( Okay, problem solved, you now have consistent behavior everywhere. ;-) I have not looked at this in SM-2.0.x but is it possible that you have number of threads set to more than one, and you get asked every time a thread connects. I'm still on 1.1.xx here, as I need functional forms, but that seems possible. Does Windows have any functional network sniffer software built in? Linux has several applications which will let you see if the AUTHINFO is actually needed multiple times, I'm betting it is, but I have no idea why. I poked in about:config, I don't see any obvious threads to use parameter, but I still suspect the auth is being requested multiple times. On 1/10/2010 12:31 PM PT, Ant typed: I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts. I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am I mising something else to clean/delete? I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows 7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup from scratch). -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Arne wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between "Sort by: Date" and "Sort by: Received"? Do you mean "Sort by: Order Received"? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean "Sort by: Order Received". As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the "plain" Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. Thanks, that makes sense. The date and time could be my computers then, when sorting by "Order Received? That option seems to be the only one that always put all posts and threads in a logical order, from my point of view. ;) Some spammers put a very old or very new date on their mail, to get it to the top of your display. Order received normalizes that, and puts it in the right place. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new usenet feature in reply
Rick Merrill wrote: I just discovered (by accident of course) that if you highlight some words in a posting then you reply to that posting Only the username and the Hightlighted Words are quoted in your reply! Long needed! Why isn't this up in flashing lights? ==> NOTE This works for mail too! -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.2 Update
Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.2 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. I see no new problems in this release. The warning that most of my add-ons and themes are incompatible and have been disabled remains, even though compatibility checking is still disabled, and the add-on manger puts up a yellow banner warning me about it. I was able to re-enable everything without more than the usual inconvenience of restarting over and over and over... -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Has mail Threading changed in SM 2
Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/8/2010 2:22 PM, Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Daniel wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/7/2010 4:08 PM, Daniel wrote: Virtually every day, I get an email headed "Possible error(s) in your website (dxmm)" and, under SM 1.x.x, these all appeared in the same thread, making their deletion easy. Now I find they are listing separately. I've had a look at my Mail& News group Account settings and the Mail& News group settings under Prefs but nothing jumps out at me! Any Ideas?? Well, I don't remember the exact setting, but I'm hoping that my post will jog someone else's memory. There was a thread to two within the last couple months or so about this. SM 1.1.X would thread using the Reference header (or something like that), and if the message didn't contain one, it would fall-back automatically to thread based on the subject text. It seems SM 2.0 no longer does this fall-back by default. There is a preference to enable it, but I don't remember what it is called, and I don't have SM 2.X here to look at. I hope someone else will know what I'm talking about and come up with the right setting. Good luck. Thanks for the reply, Mark. Got me searching and I found a thread "Threading don't work on one email address" back in mid-Dec. I've changed the two config entries, I'll see what happens. Always glad to help someone who gets an answer and doesn't tell the group what it is, so everyone in the future can search to this dead end thread. :-( and, in finding this dead end thread, they will see that they have to go to another thread, who's title I quoted and that I gave an approximate time frame to!! What's your problem, Bill?? Actually, you quoted the subject of the thread incorrectly. When I went and looked for it, it wasn't found. Also, since you had the settings right there, you could have included them in your message and not required future folks to have to go look up the other thread and read through it. Here is the content of the specific message, in case it helps anyone else. If you want to thread mails by subject you need to turn off the mail.strict_threading preference. If the replies don't begin with Re: then you will also need to turn on the mail.thread_without_re preference. After using about:config to change these preferences you will need to restart; then you can rebuild the summary file to rethread the messages. Thank you, I too did not find the other thread. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks, etc, question repost..
jim wrote: (This is a repost, I got no reply previously. Feel free to ask questions in case I left something pertinent out.) How about why you are hijacking this thread about an unrelated topic? If you did that before you may have a hint why people ignored you. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions
Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/24/2009 05:35 PM, NoOp wrote: ... I see that you were running a pre RC of lighting (1.0b2pre), can you try the one that David suggested instead? Sorry, I mean the one that Lee suggested. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/ Let's see if that was the problem. Then, can you just try the most recent prefbar (4.3.2)? It would be nice to try and determine which may have been the issue. I also notice that you have another '0.3' extension - can you clarify as to what that one is? I might try PreBar again in a day or to. I'm not use to SM crashing. I've had more crashes with SM 2 in the last couple of days than I had with SM 1 from the very start a period of about 3-4 years. I'm use to SM being almost as reliable as the operating system. And on that topic let me say "amen," SM2 is less robust. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Post at mozillazine
compositor wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: compositor wrote: Hi, I made this post at MozillaZine community, but was wondering if someone could answer it here instead. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1675775&p=8356645#p8356645 Hope Someone can help! I disagree with the post. I hate tabs worth a passion but that me I prefer open windows and have new material replace the content of the previous window. I have enough of a time concentrating on one window at a time much less flipping from one to the other in tabs. I prefer doing one thing at a time. Besides with the slow 1mb Synchronous DSL line. SM2 is slow enough as it is. and with items in tabs slow it down even more. Now for as for putting X's to dimiss a tab if your going to use tabs that is a good thing Yes, I was told to use "middle click" that has solved at least one problem but others' exist as per forum post. The problem needs a new title "I haven't studied preferences and config carefully." You can get the behavior you want, you just have to ask for it. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Not complaining, but your answer sounds a lot like "we're doing it now in a much less efficient way, but look how fast we do it." Well, then it sounds wrong. What he probably wanted to say is that the redesigned profile handling we inherited from the newer Mozilla platform would not have supported profile switching at all, and to even get it in SeaMonkey 2 at all we needed to emulate it in a way that actually restarts the whole application, even if that restart might be faster than a normal application start. As I said, I'm not complaining, but it could have been more direct. "Because of limitations in the upstream code, the only way we could do it at all was to restart from scratch in another profile." On that topic, could SM have a feature to open a new profile in another window *without* shutting down? Yes, if you do something dumb with shared folders your can hurt yourself... -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NSMR - or is it?
Walter wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Walter wrote: Running Win XP SP 3 on a Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop. When I shut down I sometimes get a notice that 840 is not responding and have to click on shut down. I do not find a description of what program 840 is with a google search. Running SM 1.1.18 but working on courage to go to 2.0.1. If you are on windows XP, you can ask about your problem by posting infos on the forum: http://forums.techarena.in/windows-xp-support/ for other OS -> http://forums.techarena.in/computer-help/ Thanks, Ray, Topic posted on the first forum you suggested indicates it is in Windows Defender which I thought I had disabled. I will check further. Windows thinks it should be running, therefore if you disable it you get punished with silly messages. I wish I was kidding, AFAIK I'm not, the problem is not your alone (Google). -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Facebook zynga poker
Phillip Jones wrote: Alisher wrote: Hello! I have just downloaded seamonkey 1.1.17 from ubuntu karmic repository (apt-get). This is the old version. But I can use it to play poker on Facebook (that was the whole reason for downloading it). Then I update to version 2 (the newest one, had to compile from the source) and no more poker (tables could not be seen, same problem in Google-chrome for Linux, chromium, Firefox 3.5). I was just wondering what has changed in the newest versions of seamonkey that does not let me see the tables in the facebook poker. I know it is not the flash issue, because the flash is the same everywhere (version 10). Any support will be appreciated. If this is done through Email and not through a Web URL its possible they are using JavaScript. and JavaScript in email has been banned by the powers that be. Sad but true, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen the reply to comments like yours, "it's free software, if you don't like it write your own." Developers care if the code works the way they want, pride in workmanship. But with free software there's no profit motive to make them care if it works the way the users would like. Big Nanny is watching out for you, use 1.1.18. It has forms, too. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Upgrade to 2.0.2 disables add-ons and themes
Updating from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 resulted in a full screen listing of things not compatible with 2.0.2 and disabled. I already have the checkCompatibility false on config, what part of false doesn't upgrade understand? Or is there yet another undocumented config I need to use. If this means that I have to re-enable every theme and add-on every time I upgrade, I'm getting off the upgrade train here. BTW: I was running 2.0.2pre on another machine when it decided it's name was now 2.0.3pre (yes, I know why), and it did the same thing! I use different themes in different personalities so I can't forget where I am, these are not just to be "pretty," they're definitely part of the work environment. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SMv2 feature request (rant)
Alan Cummings wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: I can use the F8 key to open up a message in Message Pane, and yes I can use Ctrl-O to open it in its own window. But what I would like is to be able to use the Space-Bar to open the message, scroll down and goto the next unread message.. I guess I'm just too lazy to select the F8 key. ;) On Linux a double click on the message in the header pane opens a message window, and space does just what you said from that point on. And middle click on the header opens a tab which does the same thing. Mac users probably have to press five keys with both hands and their one mouse button with their nose. ;-) -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Has mail Threading changed in SM 2
Daniel wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/7/2010 4:08 PM, Daniel wrote: Virtually every day, I get an email headed "Possible error(s) in your website (dxmm)" and, under SM 1.x.x, these all appeared in the same thread, making their deletion easy. Now I find they are listing separately. I've had a look at my Mail& News group Account settings and the Mail& News group settings under Prefs but nothing jumps out at me! Any Ideas?? Well, I don't remember the exact setting, but I'm hoping that my post will jog someone else's memory. There was a thread to two within the last couple months or so about this. SM 1.1.X would thread using the Reference header (or something like that), and if the message didn't contain one, it would fall-back automatically to thread based on the subject text. It seems SM 2.0 no longer does this fall-back by default. There is a preference to enable it, but I don't remember what it is called, and I don't have SM 2.X here to look at. I hope someone else will know what I'm talking about and come up with the right setting. Good luck. Thanks for the reply, Mark. Got me searching and I found a thread "Threading don't work on one email address" back in mid-Dec. I've changed the two config entries, I'll see what happens. Always glad to help someone who gets an answer and doesn't tell the group what it is, so everyone in the future can search to this dead end thread. :-( -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus wrote: jim wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:15:20 -0800, Rufus in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: [JS in MailNews] As I am sure you know, but for those who do not, in about:config: javascript.allow.mailnews Set to true. That won't have any effect. JS in MailNews is gone for good: <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Javascript.allow.mailnews> The reason that the pref is still appearing in about:config is that the relevant patch applies against core code which follows different time schedules. The pref will be removed from about:config in SeaMonkey 2.1. <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248280> HTH Jens I guess this doesn't surprise me. Just one more example of the interface not being in step with the code...now I can't trust what I see in about:config or what it actually does either? Thanks. But hasn't that always been the case, stretching back into netscape? I believe that there are some vestigial files as well... jim And that's why I'm not a fan of fiddling with about:config...user input/control should be provided in user Preference panels - it's one thing if I come here and get info on a workaround from a knowledgeable individual, in advance of a forthcoming fix, but as a general, generic user I should never even have to think about about:config. And someone will tell you you can use voodoo to add config things to your custom preferences, which I personally think is even less obvious. But the root issue is that stuff should work and the tricks should be documented elsewhere than the source or some developer's notes. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Philip Chee wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:43 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: But then, how would a novice user even know that about:config even exists, if not for the advice of a knowledgeable user, or reading a detailed Knowledge Base article? Seems to me its not exactly the kind of thing one just stumbles upin accidentally. You've never heard of google? Which leads you to the primary sources he mentioned. So why mention google? -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll
indicator can be used to move the view up or down. If I middle
click in the scroll region the indicator and display move to that
spot. Useful so I can move around. In 2.0.1 the same action opens a
tab instead of scrolling. Note: no I am *not* clicking on the
article header by accident, that's a useful behavior.
The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which
requires use of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit
at all from this behavior and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx
interface.
I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and
should not apply to the scrollbar!
Sounds like one for the OS-build Bill.
Middle-click to header-scroll-position works fine in
SM-2.*/Linux_64bit (and I also have set middle-click to-open new-tab
in background left-click opening tab in foreground.
Interesting, even most bizarre, since if I middle click in the scroll
bar it opens the current article in a new tab, with no sidebar. Using
the traditional three pane view.
And the odd thing is that it works as expected in the browser, but
the mail/news gives me a new tab rather than scroll. Shift-left still
gives me scroll, but it's a two hand operation.
Thanks for that Shift-left one Bill. I was wondering about that
left-click mouse only scrolling the headers 6-lines towards the
cursor-position (same as Preferences/Advanced Mouse wheel
vertical-scrolling setting), but my Shift-left does also
correctly-scroll the headers to the exact cursor-position in the
scrollbar, just as my middle-click does.
Middle-click in the Subject: opens the article in a new messaging-tab
in the background, whereas left-click opens the article in a new-tab
in the foreground-focus.
Middle-click in the News-Feed articles Website-header-line: opens the
article-web-page in the browser background-tab, with the left-click
opening it in the browser foreground-tab-focus.
I tested Preferences / Mail & Newsgroups / Message Display / General /
When opening messages, display them in: a new window (I normally-use
the alternate "An existing message window" option), but even with a
SeaMonkey-restart, middle-click still goes to the exact cursor
position in the header-scrollbar (Not opening in either a new-tab or a
new-window). So, the Messages-settings "new-message-window" does
nothing for this function.
I just checked "tab" in the about:config, and I have nothing that is
even remotely connected to messaging tabs or mailnews tabs, ~~
in-fact, I have nothing concerning mailnews-tabs, much-less something
that would interact-with/override the mouse-controls.
In "about:config", the only settings for "tab" in any shape or form,
are specifically browser-settings (or extensions/functions within the
browser, such as scrapbook and sidebar).
-
I'm guessing the difference is somehow OS-related within the new
messaging-tabs, but just in case:-
My settings for the Preferences / Browser / Tabbed Browsing (the only
tab focus/function controls openly accessible) are--
Tab Display:
all deselected except the selected "Warn me when closing a window with
multiple tabs".
When opening a bookmark group:
all deselected except the selected "Add tabs".
Open tabs instead of windows for:
all deselected except the selected "Middle-click, Ctrl+click or
Ctrl+Enter on links in a Web page".
Link open behaviour:
all deselected except the selected "A new tab in the current window".
Links from other applications":
all deselected except the selected "A new tab in the current window".
--
These are the only about:config "tab" highlighted bold preferences
that are non-default (that I have changed via the Preferences panel)
user_pref("browser.tabs.autoHide", false);
user_pref("browser.tabs.loadGroup", 0);
user_pref("browser.tabs.loadInBackground", true);
user_pref("browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick", true);
user_pref("browser.tabs.warnOnCloseOther", false);
These are the only about:config "mousewheel" highlighted bold
preferences that are non-default (that I have changed via the
Preferences panel)
mousewheel.horizscroll.withaltkey.sysnumlines;true
mousewheel.withaltkey.action;0
mousewheel.withaltkey.sysnumlines;true
mousewheel.withshiftkey.action;5
-
These are the only about:config "scrollbar" preferences (All are still
set to default):-
dom.disable_window_open_feature.scrollbars;false
layout.scrollbar.side;0
middlemouse.scrollbarPosition;true
These are the only about:config "cursor" preferences (All are still
set t
Re: Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll
indicator can be used to move the view up or down. If I middle click
in the scroll region the indicator and display move to that spot.
Useful so I can move around. In 2.0.1 the same action opens a tab
instead of scrolling. Note: no I am *not* clicking on the article
header by accident, that's a useful behavior.
The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which
requires use of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit
at all from this behavior and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx
interface.
I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and
should not apply to the scrollbar!
Sounds like one for the OS-build Bill.
Middle-click to header-scroll-position works fine in
SM-2.*/Linux_64bit (and I also have set middle-click to-open new-tab
in background left-click opening tab in foreground.
Interesting, even most bizarre, since if I middle click in the scroll
bar it opens the current article in a new tab, with no sidebar. Using
the traditional three pane view.
And the odd thing is that it works as expected in the browser, but the
mail/news gives me a new tab rather than scroll. Shift-left still
gives me scroll, but it's a two hand operation.
Thanks for that Shift-left one Bill. I was wondering about that
left-click mouse only scrolling the headers 6-lines towards the
cursor-position (same as Preferences/Advanced Mouse wheel
vertical-scrolling setting), but my Shift-left does also
correctly-scroll the headers to the exact cursor-position in the
scrollbar, just as my middle-click does.
Middle-click in the Subject: opens the article in a new messaging-tab in
the background, whereas left-click opens the article in a new-tab in the
foreground-focus.
Middle-click in the News-Feed articles Website-header-line: opens the
article-web-page in the browser background-tab, with the left-click
opening it in the browser foreground-tab-focus.
I tested Preferences / Mail & Newsgroups / Message Display / General /
When opening messages, display them in: a new window (I normally-use the
alternate "An existing message window" option), but even with a
SeaMonkey-restart, middle-click still goes to the exact cursor position
in the header-scrollbar (Not opening in either a new-tab or a
new-window). So, the Messages-settings "new-message-window" does nothing
for this function.
I just checked "tab" in the about:config, and I have nothing that is
even remotely connected to messaging tabs or mailnews tabs, ~~ in-fact,
I have nothing concerning mailnews-tabs, much-less something that would
interact-with/override the mouse-controls.
In "about:config", the only settings for "tab" in any shape or form, are
specifically browser-settings (or extensions/functions within the
browser, such as scrapbook and sidebar).
-
I'm guessing the difference is somehow OS-related within the new
messaging-tabs, but just in case:-
My settings for the Preferences / Browser / Tabbed Browsing (the only
tab focus/function controls openly accessible) are--
Tab Display:
all deselected except the selected "Warn me when closing a window with
multiple tabs".
When opening a bookmark group:
all deselected except the selected "Add tabs".
Open tabs instead of windows for:
all deselected except the selected "Middle-click, Ctrl+click or
Ctrl+Enter on links in a Web page".
Link open behaviour:
all deselected except the selected "A new tab in the current window".
Links from other applications":
all deselected except the selected "A new tab in the current window".
--
These are the only about:config "tab" highlighted bold preferences that
are non-default (that I have changed via the Preferences panel)
user_pref("browser.tabs.autoHide", false);
user_pref("browser.tabs.loadGroup", 0);
user_pref("browser.tabs.loadInBackground", true);
user_pref("browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick", true);
user_pref("browser.tabs.warnOnCloseOther", false);
These are the only about:config "mousewheel" highlighted bold
preferences that are non-default (that I have changed via the
Preferences panel)
mousewheel.horizscroll.withaltkey.sysnumlines;true
mousewheel.withaltkey.action;0
mousewheel.withaltkey.sysnumlines;true
mousewheel.withshiftkey.action;5
-
These are the only about:config "scrollbar" preferences (All are still
set to default):-
dom.disable_window_open_feature.scrollbars;false
layout.scrollbar.side;0
middlemouse.scrollbarPosition;true
These are the only about:config "cursor" preferences (All are still set
to default):-
ui.use_activity_cursor;false
Thes
Losing embedded images in templates
I send out a newsletter, and compose in SM, then mail to myself, lightly edit the headers, and send to many people. In order to make it look right I make a draft, save it, and then mail to myself. The newsletter include embedded images. When I am ready to make any needed changes, I go to the drafts folder, use "edit as new" and prepare to edit. However, it looks as if the embedded images are lost, I keep getting pop-ups asking if I have access to the image. Is this a bug, or is there some undocumented config not to lose all the images, or ??? The minimum image count is three, which is annoying, many letters have 8-10 others, and that's a huge pain to relink. The images must be attached, many people get them at work where they can get mail but not go to a non-business web site to pick up images. And that makes it much easier to save, since I don't have to worry about links going out of business in one way or another. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:43:19 -0800, David E. Ross wrote: And as I indicated before, the issue is not merely backups. The size of just SeaMonkey 2.0.1 seems to slow the changing of profiles. Nothing to do with the size of the profile. The underlying gecko toolkit we are now based on doesn't actually support dynamic switching of profiles the way XPFE/SeaMonkey 1.x did. What we now do is to fake it by doing a silent restart into the selected profile. So what you are actually seeing is a very fast restart rather than a very slow profile switch. From the user's POV we're seeing a very long delay vs. a short delay. Not complaining, but your answer sounds a lot like "we're doing it now in a much less efficient way, but look how fast we do it." Like recoding a bubble sort to use multiple threads (I knew someone who did that). -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll indicator can be used to move the view up or down. If I middle click in the scroll region the indicator and display move to that spot. Useful so I can move around. In 2.0.1 the same action opens a tab instead of scrolling. Note: no I am *not* clicking on the article header by accident, that's a useful behavior. The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which requires use of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit at all from this behavior and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx interface. I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and should not apply to the scrollbar! Sounds like one for the OS-build Bill. Middle-click to header-scroll-position works fine in SM-2.*/Linux_64bit (and I also have set middle-click to-open new-tab in background left-click opening tab in foreground. Interesting, even most bizarre, since if I middle click in the scroll bar it opens the current article in a new tab, with no sidebar. Using the traditional three pane view. And the odd thing is that it works as expected in the browser, but the mail/news gives me a new tab rather than scroll. Shift-left still gives me scroll, but it's a two hand operation. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews
When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll indicator can be used to move the view up or down. If I middle click in the scroll region the indicator and display move to that spot. Useful so I can move around. In 2.0.1 the same action opens a tab instead of scrolling. Note: no I am *not* clicking on the article header by accident, that's a useful behavior. The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which requires use of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit at all from this behavior and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx interface. I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and should not apply to the scrollbar! -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0.1 mail issues
Ray_Net wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: bobwhiteesq wrote: I really wish Seamonkey would not "push" the 2.0.1 version. On one computer that version locks up my e-mail if I try to add a cc. As a workaround, try deleting the OE Contacts address book. If OE did not work well, what would you say if microsoft tell us : As a workaround, try deleting the SM Contacts address book. ??? I would say OE should ignore SM and vice-versa. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0.1 mail issues
Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: Thanks for that, NoOp. By default a.u.auto is set to True and a.u.silent is set to False, which, to me, means it will automatically update but will tell me it's doing it, which is what happened. What *I* expected would happen was that SM would tell me there was an update available and ask if I wanted to get and/or install it. I think turning update.auto off does what you want. While I'm posting, I suspect that the machine which messes up has an extension 2.0.1 doesn't like. That would account for the failure on one machine. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 personal toolbar )bookmarks)
Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: How do I NOT show the bookmarks folder in my toolbar? I mean the one SM adds that is named "Bookmarks", this isn't needed any way since "Bookmarks" appears in the top drop downs, and it takes up room that I need for other folders- I don't believe 2.0 did this Click and hold on a Blank area in the menubar Click what? Remember Mac is one button, Windows is two, Linux is three (usually). So which button is important. ==> suggestion not criticism! From Pop up menu choose Customize Next click on Bookmarks Item in menu bar and drag to the open menu and drop. do not drag just off of the menu or else it will disappear forever.be sure to drag to the open customize menu and drop. Also another Dumb idea putting the home button at the same level as the bookmark item and the book marks bar I dragged it up to the navigation bar where is should have been. some of these developers . makes you wonder. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus wrote: Just been looking over the user options between the two, and I have to say that as far as the user is concerned, 1.1.18 had/has far more user flexibility for configuration, far more informative dialog boxes, buttons I could actually use, and with few exceptions behaved as I wanted it to... I went to 2.0 the day RSS was added, and I have had few problems (I keep the tar ball for a stable version handy in case an upgrade sucks). With two exceptions I have had no issues which I consider major, the bad to awful support for multiple profile conversion and the lack of a meaningful forms manager have stopped me from going to 2.0 on a few machines. There was one bug of note, the problem with authenticating nntp servers, that eventually got fixed after people got tired of posting bs here about it being set up wrong. ...and then there's the missing Form Manager. I didn't/don't use the Form Manager, but after looking it over in 1.1.18 I'm beginning to wonder why - the only shortcoming I can find is that I can't tell if the user option for "encrypt vs obscure" also pertains to information stored in the Form Manager...which is probably the only reason I can think of as to why I've never used it. If/when the Form Manager is returned, encrypting it's contents should be implemented if it wasn't previously. And the user should be informed of the specifics and applicability of any encryption scheme employed within the text in the associated function's dialog boxes. Given a need for options, functionality, and features, I seriously doubt I'll be upgrading my G4 and Intel iMac machines from SM 1.1.18 anytime soon. And I may just go back and downgrade my G5 iMac...one experimental installation is enough for me. I can't imagine running 1.1.xx on any new machine (I set up 4-5/month) unless it was tasked for filling in forms. And when I get the time from other bugs in other programs and writing a book, I will really test drive the two extensions I have had people suggest to me. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
NoOp wrote: about:config javascript.allow.mailnews;false set to true. You might want to look into prefbar; it essentially is a front end (and more) to about:config settings. You can add your own buttons, and could add a button to toggle that setting with a single click. http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ It's the first thing that I install in SeaMonkey. Also see: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/help/ Thank you. Something I knew had to be there but never took the time to find. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Daniel wrote: One wonders why there is that screen warning about fiddling with "about:config", if the average user is now expected to do things in "about:config"?? Doing things in about:config is like fiddling with the registry in Windows. It has the potential for vast changes in behavior, good, bad, and unexpected. I have no problem with the warning, if it scares off someone who should be scared off, good. If it prevents one "you never told me" whine on the list, good on that too. I would like a command line option for "reset config to default" to tell users about. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Philip Chee wrote: Well it's back partially (or going to be back partially) but only for *non* mailnews content such as RSS feeds and other third party contentTabs (in Thunderbird). Yes, I think it is important to allow different settings for RSS and mailnews. Personally, I'd like to ability to turn it on/off for each subscription in Mail/News/RSS individually in the Property Pane - that would be ultimate goodness! In general I think you complain too much about minor problems with workarounds and appreciate too little of the goodness, but on this one I agree. This is my computer, I want to make the decisions about what to run and how to run it, and while I agree that javascript should be off by default, I want to enable it by service (default for all mail or all news), by source (mail account, news server, RSS feed), and by folder (newsgroup, folders filled by message filters). Actually I have a suggestion on how to do this, below the server or feed level allow js to be enabled on a per-message basis in message filters. So I can enable for just some small number of people I trust, or one mailing list, or whatever. Total flexibility with minimal code to maintain. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer
Benoit Renard wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phil, in large measure, kept SM 1.1.x usable by his incredible work on xSidebar and porting Firefox and Thunderbird extensions to work in SeaMonkey. Without that, 1.1.x was really not a usable piece of work, at least without Multizilla, which basically converted it to another application entirely. I object to this. SeaMonkey 1.1.x is very usable without extensions. In general I agree with that, other than a few media bits needed to play various streaming media, SM 1.1.xx runs fine. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Right, it is. And even maintaining al bunch of code you don't really
know and which is sometimes written in strange ways is a quite hard job,
have you ever tried that?
Unfortunately yes. And I looked at SM code briefly and decided it was the mutant
offspring of people who met, drunk, at a masquerade ball. I have worked on
projects where some programmers "marched to a different drummer," but some of
the authors heard a whole other brass band.
Don't take that as criticism, it's my honest comment on the mismatch in code
styles, not the competence of the authors as individuals. You have my sympathy,
but I'm never going to work on code like that again. I applaud your courage to
work on code from so many origins.
The SeaMonkey project mostly consists of people who have never worked on
many parts of the code that the old suite had, most of us worked only in
user interface ("frontend") parts and never in the platform code
("backend") those interfaces build on, so we are simply unable to
maintain it.
Our only chance of keeping SeaMonkey alive at all was to reduce the
amount of unknown code we cannot maintain and replace it with code that
is being maintained by someone else - which meant switching to the newer
Mozilla platform, of which e.g. the new form management code is a part of.
If I may say, what is there is more "field management" than form management,
because what is needed is to be able to save the entire form (values) as a named
whole, not the values of the fields, requiring the user to go and change each
field. So I can have *sets* of data to plug into a given form.
Now, that we have switched to that base and can let the old stuff die,
we can look into ways to improve the newly acquired things and those
parts of code that we have in the application now and should be able to
maintain.
If I might offer a suggestion, if there was better documentation on writing
extensions, the interfaces available to be used, some of these problems might be
solved by people who have a need. just my thought.
--
Bill Davidsen
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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:25:37 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of "Open Source". Perhaps you should just give up and install Maxthon. Not an option, he's on a Mac. Parellels, VMWare Fusion, probably Virtual Box. Phil If I had an Intel Mac Possibly. But with a PowerPC That's out. I believe qemu is your friend. If I can run PPC Linux on x86 I assume you can run x86 on PPC, although since the CPU is in software the execution is somewhat leisurely. Does work, tho, honest. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Two restart questions
Lou wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Most of the time I want M to start over clean, and forget all the stuff I might have been doing, but occasionally I want to preserve the context. I have noticed that if I should down I get an empty restart, and if I kill the application I get context preserved. (Linux) Is there a secret "save context and shutdown" feature I can use within SM? Also, is there a way to specify the starting position of windows rather than use the window manager default? Are you using SM2 beta? I had the same behaviour when I was using beta, but now that I'm using 2.0, I get asked if I want to save my tabs before closing. If I only have one tab open at the time and want to save it for next session, I just open a second blank tab, and then quit. Using 2.0.1 where I see this most often. I generally want to just shut down and not save anything, so I probably checked so "don't ask" box for normal operation. But on the occasion where I want to save, I would hope that I have a way to do it manually, other than brute force killing the application. I was looking in the "File" menu for "save tabs and quit" but it doesn't seem to be there. Ideally you want SM to do what you want by default and give you a way to do something else with a little extra work. Being able to disable asking about tab save is good, but I would hope there's a matching way to request saving for a special situation. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Two restart questions
Most of the time I want M to start over clean, and forget all the stuff I might have been doing, but occasionally I want to preserve the context. I have noticed that if I should down I get an empty restart, and if I kill the application I get context preserved. (Linux) Is there a secret "save context and shutdown" feature I can use within SM? Also, is there a way to specify the starting position of windows rather than use the window manager default? -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey web page Composer
Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: ---snip--- * When inserting images, don't make the the default "Alternate text" (I *never, ever* use that) - or else don't force making a choice. I would just really like to see this as an option. This is more annoying in email. If your creating an html email and and inserting an image *you* *do* have a choice the choice in fact says Don't use alt Text. If you consider having to remember to manually override the default on each and every image in a document to be an option, I guess you do. Now if your creating a site you must use alt-text in order to be W3C compliant web pages and site. I've always tried to use Alt-Text for images since I purchased Studio8 (DreamWeaver/FireWorks/Flash/Contribute) A few comments on that: - after you force the user to do that manual override the first time, the document is non-compliant so why keep harassing the user? - the standard doesn't apply to HTML mail, where it is equally inconvenient and additionally meaningless. - it doubly doesn't apply to mail in text+HTML format, where the five people in the world using all text browsers will see that anyway. - the lack of a config option says "we care more about standards than usability" -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1
z3c wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:28 pm, Bill Davidsen wrote:
@Bill, well there are some internal company aliases but no mailinglist
as in announcement list .
Okay, I have a lot of lists, car nuts, gun nuts, politics
{world,nations,state,local}, jokes{funny,offensive}, medical general and five
conditions, etc, etc. A LOT of mailing lists, which I use to prevent the "why
didn't you tell ME that?" response (and vice-versa).
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Re: message filters
Smiles wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Smiles wrote: The first part, "=?ISO-2022-JP?" defines the character st. If you have that set installed you would then see the subject in clear text. Unless you read Japanese you you not understand it any better, but at least it would be clear. I don't know if putting that string in a message filter for subject would work, I suspect not, but haven't tried it. I catch that in my upstream filter, along with a bunch of other things I can't read. by upstream filter what do you mean and where? Upstream, as in "before SeaMonkey sees it." In my case the inbound procmail filter on the incoming sendmail thread. If you don't control your mail server you can't do it that way, but I never see that stuff, other than as a count in a reject category. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username & password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) I think the operative word here is "using" rather than secure. People who perceive 2.0.x as hard to use aren't going to switch easily. I still have the old version for reading these groups and filling out forms. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey web page Composer
LDixon wrote: I'm glad that SeaMonkey has maintained Netscape Composer. But, I was surprised to find that it hasn't been improved at all, that I can see. It seems to generate better output, I'll give it that. Here are a few suggestions: * Put a scroll bar in the Format/Font menu, for speed. (I use Ariel and Verdana a lot!) You do know you can type the first letter of the name and it will scroll. I have a LOT of fonts installed, I know what you mean. I would love to be able to play groupings, so I could have all the pseudo-handwritten fonts in one group, the Gothic looking one in another, etc. But I never really thought of asking for it, most people don't care. * Put the font options (style, size, etc.) in the tool bar, as one sees in Word. I'd be happier if I could define a few personal choices where I specify the font, size, and color. Wouldn't ask for that, either, but would be neat. * When inserting images, don't make the the default "Alternate text" (I *never, ever* use that) - or else don't force making a choice. I would just really like to see this as an option. This is more annoying in email. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey web page Composer
Phillip Jones wrote: LDixon wrote: If you don't use alt Text (for images) your website will never ever pass W3C standards compliance. I use them all the time on my website for any images. This is so if for whatever reason your image gets lost for what ever reason the viewers of your site should know thatey should have seen and let you know so you can fix it. The same behavior is found in composing HTML mail and inserting an image (I suspect much code is shared). And I most certainly don't care about web standards in mail. Or is there another secret config option to disable this annoying behavior? -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Happy with 2.0.1 now (Almost)
Jens Hatlak wrote: BeeNeR wrote: Only two things to complain about: 1. No quick start button. I really miss that! Gone for good, sorry. 2. No way to disable having to enter a password when initializing SM without deleting ALL web, password, certificates, etc. information. Quoting from the Release Notes: "MailNews account password prompts are no longer serial at startup (Bug 338549) Workaround: If a Master Password is set and you saved your login credentials, only one prompt will appear at startup. You can disable this new behavior by setting signon.startup.prompt to false in about:config." I think most users would agree that correct behavior is to ask when it's needed, and not at any random times. Subject to the options, of course, which don't contain "ask the first time needed." The master password is certainly not required to bring up my start file, which is local. What "login credentials" are these? The browser is not logging into anything and the news/mail was told not to start. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. Definitely. I didn't get into using a suite until SM-1.0.6 (that I can find in mail headers, anyway). I started on ARPAnet in the early 90s, we didn't need no stinkin' suites. Use Mosaic, the UNIX mail command and rn. Didn't get into chat until CZ was already out, that led me to SM. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1
BeeNeR wrote: On or about 12/16/2009 8:17 AM, z3c typed the following: Hi! Problem happens here, too. Adresscompletion when composing messages causes SM2.0.1 to hang. Disabled AC and it works. Probelm never occured before. Started w/ 2.0.1 - Happens on two different Windows XP systems. btw, I just have 2 addressbooks (collected and a personal abook). So imo this has nothing to do with the amount of abooks. my 2 cents z3c Athough I didn't pin it down to the problem, when I removed an address book to get under 15 of them I no longer had the problem. I imported a backup copy of that address book and everything was fine. According to more than one report - invalid characters within the address book might have caused the problem. I could not verify that since I had remove what might have been the problem book. Suggest you carefully look at all your entries or perhaps back them all up, then remove them, import them back one at a time, and see if the problem occurs. If and when it does the last book imported may be the trouble. Check it out for invalid characters. Do you have mailing lists defined within your books? I seem to remember working around some issue by deleting and recreating my lists in a book, but I can't remember details, one of those "fix it and forget it" days. Sorry, I take tons of notes unless I'm in a hurry. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems - FIX
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: OTOH the average user won't have to care about the two prefs that caused the problem here once the bug fix is available as part of the next release. Do you have any idea how elitist that sounds? Maybe you just got me wrong, please read on. Dozens of people have filed bugs, discussed this on servers, in chat rooms, and on other mailing lists. But they're just average users, and because this stuff means their user agent doesn't work they do care a great deal. And will the next time some totally undocumented option is needed to make some common task work. The tone of your "average user" comments shows how little you value other people's time. My point is that the average user shouldn't have to care about these prefs at all. At least not to work around bugs. The problem at hand is a bug, and as such it should be fixed. It's just that *in this particular case* dealing with these prefs helps to *work around* the bug until the fix is available (here: with SM 2.0.1, due next week). In many other cases there are no prefs, hidden or not, that help to work around a problem. Because this stuff might change is exactly why about:config should dump all available values. Or call it about:everything. People already know they may break something, and things may change, what's new? Prefs that do not appear in about:config unless manually set are prefs without obvious default, i.e. their default and type (!) solely depend on how they are used in the internal implementation. As I said, the implementation can change any day it is developed further. How should those be shown in about:config when they are not set by the user (in which case they already appear in the current situation)? How would the user know which type (string/boolean/integer) they are and what possible values would be? Frankly, in my opinion it should not be possible to have a variable in the table without defining a type. I know that's dreadfully old school, but I have decades of professional software experience to back that opinion. Just throwing things in without any documentation leads to many "oh look at that!" moments. OTOH, if a pref would be important enough to be useful for more than a very small minority or seldom edge cases, the developers would only have to define a default for it and it would appear in about:config by default. If you find a pref that you think deserves that kind of attention you can file a bug and request that. It'll depend on your reasoning whether it'll be accepted or not (and the reviewers, of course). All I'm saying is that making a pref visible by default just because it works around a bug that should (and was!) be fixed another way is the wrong way to go. If you say so. I don't see that having developers tell people how to disable compatibility check in the support group is somehow better than letting users see it, since it does have a default value. Or the general.useragent.extra.* values, someone might use them if they were visible. Perhaps a default empty value for strings would be good? -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: message filters
Smiles wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Smiles wrote: Good day one of my email accounts is being hit by over 20 emails daily with ? marks of different length in subject and sender field. if I save one as text it is blank, so I set up a filter up to send all to trash by setting from value a a single '?' but nothing gets filtered out I'll take a wild guess that if you save the message and look at the actual data, that either an odd character set is being used, or one with a high bit set. In any case, it uses "?" to note a character it can't display. A filter option for character sets other than a few user provided defaults would be useful. Running Linux I can do that filtering upstream of the user agent, so I just see it as a crap count in rejects. Ok finally I have checked three or four at random and jet a Indochinese or Japanese's language pop up which gives me the cause for this ? showing up. this one has me stumped edited*** From - Wed Dec 16 09:05:50 2009 X-Account-Key: account3 X-UIDL: 1260950638.V56dI85c0feM461884.sunfep2 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path: X-Original-To:CUT Delivered-To: CUT Received: from fipmb04.---CUT---.net (rdnat03 [192.168.200.207]) by sunfep2.--CUT.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597D22528 for <---CUT>; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:03:58 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUBAD8jKEvSvNcQg2dsb2JhbACBS4I8BJc9AQEBCgkMBRV/hzagIQGCXY1GgSyCKlUEgWKBGA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,405,1257138000"; d="scan'208";a="222967942" X-SBRS: 3.1 Received: from btb016.combzmail.jp (HELO r1237.ps.combzmail.jp) ([210.188.215.16]) by fipmb04.--CUT--- with SMTP; 16 Dec 2009 03:03:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 13687 invoked by uid 509); 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Date: 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Message-ID: <20091216080354.13685.qm...@r1237.ps.combzmail.jp> To: ---CUT From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCS0wzJEY7JG8kMSQiJGo7VD5sGyhC?= X-Ip: 205757989978135 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCIiNBd05BTDVOQSIjQmc/TTUkSiFCXiF6GyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQmhGc0NGISohWCU6JW8lJCQrJEskNyRjJFYhJiQrGyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJEtGaUohQl4hWUVQPmwhKhsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MagazineId: orcv X-uId: 6747335446484368694368342000 X-Sender: CombzMailSender X-Url: http://www.combzmail.jp/ ? ***end of paste What is meaning of subject line thanks every one The first part, "=?ISO-2022-JP?" defines the character st. If you have that set installed you would then see the subject in clear text. Unless you read Japanese you you not understand it any better, but at least it would be clear. I don't know if putting that string in a message filter for subject would work, I suspect not, but haven't tried it. I catch that in my upstream filter, along with a bunch of other things I can't read. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Instability in SM2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Danny Kile wrote: It is one of the downsides of the suite approach that when one component is busy, it does tend to lock up the others. Why? The parts are in threads, right? Or is this a Windows thing rahter than a SM thing? I keep Camino available for that. If SM Mail/News gets stuck (RSS fetching for example) Camino sails on. Mac only, Firefox does as well on Windows. By the way, are you spoofing your UA? Lee -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Instability in SM2.0
Pat Welch wrote: John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: John a écrit : I am wondering if anyone else has seen any instability in SM2.0? I use Giganews as a news reader and almost every time I attempt to download the Headers SM crashes. Maybe it is my system but, perhaps not. Downloading headers does not crash Thunderbird. so I guess I'll either have to go back to SM 1.1.18 or stick with Firefox/Thunderbird. As a news reader, I only use SM Mail, but I've seen nothing of that sort. S. He obvilusly meant that he uses Giganew as a new *server*, not news reader. Since he asks here, I assume he means that SM is his news reader. No problem with downloading headers from any of the 8 news servers I use. Lee it was only from Giganews that there was a problem. Try using the free news server news.eternal-september.org. I've had no problems getting feeds from them with 2.0. There are posting issues with 2.0. They are fixed in 2.0.1, there was a patch associated with the BZ thread on problems with authenticating servers. Yes it was a real bug, there's a patch. ;-) -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Little Monkey theme
When did that come out? I normally use the default or "Mostly Crystal" themes, except for classes when the "Halloween" theme is a better attention grabber. ;-) But I installed L.M. just to show someone how it's done, and I have to say it's nice having the RSS feeds clearly separated from the news and mail.I'm going to leave it on for a bit and see how it wears, buf handy with a large number of feeds. Nice job! -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Like many people who don't quite understand the NNTP protocol and equate it to mail or web or mailing list or something they thought up, you are confusing DELETE (move to trash or just erase) with CANCEL (send NNTP CANCEL message, attempt to remove this from every server everywhere). Oddly, people delete mail from their mailbox and don't expect all other cc recipients will lose their copy. That's the way the news reader should work, I don't want to see this headers in the header list any more, I'm not interested. If the message is downloaded, get rid of it. Just like mail. SeaMonkey can take a delete rule in a message filter and not get excited because it's not my message, why can't news work right? The conceptual problem is old, whoever wrote the key bindings bound delete to mean cancel, k to mean throw away this thread, and no obvious way to just throw the message away. I would love to have news work as mail, and add some additional command to actually attempt to sent the CANCEL. News does "work right." The fundamental difference between news and mail is that news messages do not belong to you (except of course your own posts). So they are not deleted when you download them (POP3 model), and you have no right to delete them on the server (IMAP model). What you /can/ do is hide them (e.g. by killing the thread or marking them as read), and that's why this group's 11,434 messages look to me like 26. No, the NNTP interface to DELETE is to try to send a CANCEL message, whereas the mail function of DELETE is a local removal to junk or the bit bucket. Having the same key do very different things in news and mail was a bad design decision, and the user can't remap keys because there's no function (unless it's undocumented) to mark a message "never show me" other than the "K" function which hides the whole thread. If I were designing this over, I would have a "delete subthread" capability to hide a post and any reply with a references header including the evil post. I am neither asking for nor offering to write that, just saying that it would be vastly useful for people who hijack threads or deflect the topic. I believe that the functions of news and mail should do the same thing, and that there should be a way to "not see" something, by erading the headers as well as marking it read. Unless you're a total idiot who constantly posts stupid $#!+ (and I don't think you are), chances are you really don't need to /delete/ all your messages, just the occasional misfire. And a filter isn't the right tool for that, it takes wetware. On the other hand, I would find it convenient to be able to plonk certain writers (or should I say "wrongers"?) without having to sift through a hundred messages or so every day for their names... And you can do that in a filter before you see the post, once it's read you can only hide all unread. There are reasons for not doing that, too. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: message filters
Smiles wrote: Good day one of my email accounts is being hit by over 20 emails daily with ? marks of different length in subject and sender field. if I save one as text it is blank, so I set up a filter up to send all to trash by setting from value a a single '?' but nothing gets filtered out I'll take a wild guess that if you save the message and look at the actual data, that either an odd character set is being used, or one with a high bit set. In any case, it uses "?" to note a character it can't display. A filter option for character sets other than a few user provided defaults would be useful. Running Linux I can do that filtering upstream of the user agent, so I just see it as a crap count in rejects. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What is SeaMonket 2.0.2?
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:56:34 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I have been running 2.0.1pre for a while to get the fix for NNTP posting badness. Now I'm told there's a security upgrade to 2.0.2pre. Is there any intention of releasing 2.01 before adding a bunch of new untested changes and calling it 2.0.2? Or should I just stop at the working version I have and be happy? Due to the way the release automation scripts work. Whenever a release branch (e.g. 2.0.1) is cut, the tip of the branch is automatically bumped to the smallest next increment e.g. 2.0.2pre. If you are on the nightly branch channel you'll get updated to the latest tip rather to any of the "relbranch" side branches. Sounds like I should just run the last 2.0.1pre and be happy. It works, I use it on almost all my machines (unless forms are needed or I have multiple profiles), and I was looking for something which worked not new features. Thanks for the clarification. Similarly if/when a new major branch is cut from the trunk (e.g. 2.1) the tip of the trunk will be bumped to e.g. 2.2a1pre (unless you are firefox where you get silly progressions like 2.0 -> 2.5 -> 3.0 -> 3.5 -> 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 4.0) It's all the same code as SeaMonkey, though, just in a different package. Be glad they didn't pick something like mersine primes for version numbers. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore the old Form Manager!
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 26 novembre 2009, Bill Davidsen a écrit : Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 20 novembre 2009, Bill Davidsen a écrit : Handling multiple forms per URL, covering all filled fields, would be perfect for almost any use. And if there was only one saved form for a URL, autofill might be the right interface. Are you sure Form Autofill cannot save more than one form per URL? From what I understood URL is used only as a filter, and different profiles may have common filters. With config options what they are I am not sure, but it appears to want me to click in every field and select a value. My impression is that it can recognize a form, and save all previous values in a given field, but there seems to be no way to treat a set of field values such that I can go to a single form and select SendMom or SendMe or SendWork and get the name, address, and credit card info filled in as a single unit. Sorry for not being clear enough. I was talking about this: https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/4775 Would you mind testing it to see if it fits your needs? If you don't have and don't want to install FF you can do this: Thanks for the information, I will try this as soon as possible, which I'm sorry to say may be a few days or more. I'm sort of reading this group in bits while waiting for a printer and such, so my time blocks are small for a proper test. Looks quite clear, I should have no trouble other than time. :-( Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:15:19 +0100 From: Jens Hatlak For the brave: The extension mostly works in SM2 as well if you follow these steps: 1. set extensions.checkCompatibility to false (create new boolean pref in about:config) 2. install the extension 3. add the following line to the chrome.manifest file in the extensions/autofillfo...@blueimp.net folder: overlay chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul chrome://autofillforms/content/autofillFormsOverlay.xul From a brief look only some icons in the preferences dialog are missing. Even the customizable toolbar button is available. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems - FIX
NoOp wrote: On 11/24/2009 10:20 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: It seems that a fix is available for this problem, assuming you are willing to build your own SeaMonkey from source. Bug #484656 seems to change the "You have your config wrong" to "we were parsing your config wrong." In any case the problem is identified, and *maybe* this will be in 2.0.1 as a fix. Since comm-1.9.1 (the base of 2.0.x releases) branched after the fix for that bug was checked in it already contains that fix. IOW, it's already fixed in 2.0.1pre nightlies (which you can get without building from source) and will be fixed in 2.0.1. :-) Huzzah! I hate to run a work in progress in production, but that might be the best solution. Thanks for the info, now the next question is why it works for anyone with the official 2.0 release. This may be a bit late, but taking a hint from Harmut on how to capture logs for various sessions, I set a log for nntp and logged into news.eternal-september.org using port 563/ssl. I then sent a test msg on the eternal-september.test group. The results are here: http://pastebin.com/m7bf6e673 You can do the same by adding a few lines to your 'seamonkey' shell script. Here is what I added to mine (preceded by ++ so you can see which lines were added, of course don't include ++ in your script & modify '$HOME/' to suit your needs): Thank you for this information, I've been busy the last few days and haven't read the group much if at all. Good info for the future, I added it to my tips file. Since there's a patch, I'm considering the problem both real (code rather than user problem) and solved. #uncomment for debugging #set -x ++# keep a log ++# For bash shell (the default shell on most GNU/Linux systems): ++#export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=nntp:5 ++#export NSPR_LOG_FILE=$HOME//nntp.log ++#export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=pop3:5 ++#export NSPR_LOG_FILE=$HOME//pop3.log ++#export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=smtp:5 ++#export NSPR_LOG_FILE=$HOME//smtp.log When I want to enable the log, I simply uncomment (remove the #) before starting SeaMonkey. For example, for nntp: export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=nntp:5 export NSPR_LOG_FILE=$HOME//nntp.log Perhaps from the log on the failing/problem build you can see the difference between your log and the log I've posted. Log refs: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Session_logging_for_mail/news https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems - FIX
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there any doc on all those config fields, particularly those which only appear when you know they exist? No. Would make submitting a useful bug report easier, and source is not really a great resource, even if you know how to read it, it takes time. Prefs that do not show up by default in about:config are not meant to be used by average users, that's why they're only to be found in the source code. Theoretically one could build a list of prefs from source but that would only be a snapshot then because the source can (and will!) change at any time, constantly. If there's a chance that a pref is used by more people it should go to the Preferences panel (SeaMonkey mentality) or be findable in about:config (Firefox mentality, SeaMonkey fallback). OTOH the average user won't have to care about the two prefs that caused the problem here once the bug fix is available as part of the next release. Do you have any idea how elitist that sounds? Dozens of people have filed bugs, discussed this on servers, in chat rooms, and on other mailing lists. But they're just average users, and because this stuff means their user agent doesn't work they do care a great deal. And will the next time some totally undocumented option is needed to make some common task work. The tone of your "average user" comments shows how little you value other people's time. Because this stuff might change is exactly why about:config should dump all available values. Or call it about:everything. People already know they may break something, and things may change, what's new? And if I were developing this stuff, I'd love to have a handy way to jog my memory for the name of the option someone else created, and which supposedly breaks my code. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue
chicagofan wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
That's strange, because these [below] were the instructions I received
by e-mail, after I wrote them about my connection problems after the
changeover from Motzarella. These instructions cleared up my problem:
It will connect with or without auth (but not with invalid auth,
clearly). If
you connect and don't offer auth, you can read and post to the subset
of groups
mozzarella.*, eternal-september.*, and possenet.* (no idea what that
is). If you
get a valid account and offer the credentials you will then see all the
available groups.
You were offering invalid credentials or valid credentials in an
invalid way,
resulting in denial. If your passwords were in password manager I
think they
would no longer be found when the host name changed, so you would have
needed to
(a) check always offer credentials, and (b) put them in by hand.
You can easily validate non-auth operation:
telnet news.eternal-september.org nntp
{200 message}
list
{guest groups list here}
quit
To authenticate, the commands are
authinfo user {account}
authinfp pass {password}
type those before 'list' and you will get the full list.
I only use nntp; and when they transferred the Motzarella servers to
Eternal-September, I could not connect with my old settings by just
changing the *server name*, so I tried a new account which wouldn't work
either. That's when they gave me the instructions to "use
authentication", and then it was all working again.
I can see I've added nothing to your discussion of your problems, so
I'll stop now. :)
As noted in another post and the BZ for the problem, fixed in 2.0.1pre.Real bug,
real patch, real unreleased fix.
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What is SeaMonket 2.0.2?
I have been running 2.0.1pre for a while to get the fix for NNTP posting badness. Now I'm told there's a security upgrade to 2.0.2pre. Is there any intention of releasing 2.01 before adding a bunch of new untested changes and calling it 2.0.2? Or should I just stop at the working version I have and be happy? -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Bush wrote: jim wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:00:14 -0500, Bush in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Please post in this newsgroup, When a Good working version of seamonkey 2.X is available . 2.0 is real Buggy . It needs to be Marked as BETA Time for me to go back to 1.1.18 The funny thing is, I am running the last beta version of 2.0 in another physical machine, running XP just like my main one, with no problems. (I have sent and received several emails with it, using the server I mentioned a couple messages upthread.) jim I am back to Ver 1.1.18 and no more Beta problems. I'll try again after version 2.5 is released No, you won't. Several people have stated that migration from 1.1.xx to 2.1 and later will not be supported. Jump now or at some late date start SM configuration from scratch. Most machine I have migrated, the lack of support for multiple profiles in migration makes a few simply too time consuming. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:00:23 -0700, Rufus wrote: 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. If you select/highlight a mail message in the thread pane, the delete button should re-appear. This is the same behaviour as 1.1.18. Phil ...interesting - it does that for Mail, but not for Newsgroups. When I go from a message in my Mail Inbox to a message in a Newsgroup, the Delete button hides completely and stays hidden until I go back to a message in my Mail Inbox. Dunno if that's as intended, but thanks. As you cannot delete a message from a news group (except your own post, in some circumstances), why would you need a delete button?? Like many people who don't quite understand the NNTP protocol and equate it to mail or web or mailing list or something they thought up, you are confusing DELETE (move to trash or just erase) with CANCEL (send NNTP CANCEL message, attempt to remove this from every server everywhere). Oddly, people delete mail from their mailbox and don't expect all other cc recipients will lose their copy. That's the way the news reader should work, I don't want to see this headers in the header list any more, I'm not interested. If the message is downloaded, get rid of it. Just like mail. SeaMonkey can take a delete rule in a message filter and not get excited because it's not my message, why can't news work right? The conceptual problem is old, whoever wrote the key bindings bound delete to mean cancel, k to mean throw away this thread, and no obvious way to just throw the message away. I would love to have news work as mail, and add some additional command to actually attempt to sent the CANCEL. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: can't resend a message in newsgroup.
Phillip Jones wrote: on a rare occasion I have the need/desire send a message created ina newsgroup over again. Years ago I was able to do so, I noticed in SM1.1.8 and lower and SM 2 I can 't do this whether its saved in sent directory either in email Directory or the Local Directory. It didn't use to make any an difference in the Mozilla series. Anyone know where to save so If the need arises you can. Did you go to the sent folder, click 'edit as new,' and send? Or is there another sequence you are using? -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ANOTHER QUESTION - can folders be transferred to a new account?
DoctorBill wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: snip Just rename the folders in the old account and then copy it to your new one (while SM is closed!). On next start SM will automatically intgrate them. snip Martin Need help... Files are named thusly under old folder; Sent (no extension) large Sent.msfsmaller etc. Rename them to what? and put them where ? Do I erase the current ISP's folder and rename the old ISP's folder to the new one's name? I know I could TRY that, but then I might irreversibly screw the pooch ! There is nothing more fun than trying to recover from a DA mistake AFAIK you can just copy the folder into the matching directory in the new account. Assuming you have nothing of value in the new account, do a recursive copy of everything in the News and Mail directories from one account to the other. Just be sure you copy from OLD ISP to NEW ISP directories, or you will have a "restore from backup" event. When/if you move to SeaMonkey 2.0 you have a whole new problem with migration, ask a detailed question when you're ready. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Defragmentation
Ant wrote: On 11/25/2009 12:27 PM PT, Graham typed: Close Seamonkey before you run defrag. Should close everything. I wonder if there are any good offline defrag that doesn't require user to run Windows. There is, it's called Linux. ;-) Doesn't require defrag, as is true with OS/X as well. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore the old Form Manager!
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 20 novembre 2009, Bill Davidsen a écrit : Handling multiple forms per URL, covering all filled fields, would be perfect for almost any use. And if there was only one saved form for a URL, autofill might be the right interface. Are you sure Form Autofill cannot save more than one form per URL? From what I understood URL is used only as a filter, and different profiles may have common filters. With config options what they are I am not sure, but it appears to want me to click in every field and select a value. My impression is that it can recognize a form, and save all previous values in a given field, but there seems to be no way to treat a set of field values such that I can go to a single form and select SendMom or SendMe or SendWork and get the name, address, and credit card info filled in as a single unit. Feel free to tell me to create a config like browser.undoc.saveForm.named or some such. But changing one field at a time doesn't cut it! -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lost address book
Mort wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Mort schrieb: I read your post reply, and tried to do what you suggested. I did not find an export tool in SeaMonkey 2.0, nor in the text version of my old address book, which I am trying to get incorporated into my address book from SM 2.Please let me know how I can find the export tool. First open the addressbook in SM and then have a look in the tools menu. ;-) regards Martin Hi Martin, Thanks, but I want to export the address book TO SeaMonkey's address book. It is now free-standing in text format, and its tools do not include export. Dragging does not help. This all occurred when a computer tech converted my buggy Vista to XP Pro. All my many old addresses are in text form, while the SeaMonkey address book has only recent ones in hierarchical form. If the file was created with SeaMonkey address export, you just use the import tool to pull it in. Other than that, if it's small you start typing address cards. If it's big you write a perl script to convert the format you have to the format you want. Don't know perl or other suitable language? Make a friend, you make too many mistakes doing it by hand. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems - FIX
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Thanks for the info, now the next question is why it works for anyone with the official 2.0 release. Bug 484656 comment 18 suggests that only people with a mail.server.serverX.realhostname pref are affected. I for one have no account with such a pref and I don't know which action would create it. The first part is easy, you get that when you have an account and the mail server you have been using is shut down and the service moves to another machine. So you have an account named My.Org and the server name is mail.my.org and it works. Then that server is shut down and you now get mail from inbound4.my.org instead. Your email address is still j...@mail.my.org, but the actual server name changes. I find I had two accounts like that since you told me what to look for. I think I just changed the name of the server, it has changed three time since the account was new, I have traces of 'gatekeeper', 'pvt-gate' (private network NIC of mailgate1), and realname now points to mailgate2. Odd, but nothing that doesn't happen in an organization. That's how it happens. How it would happen on a new account on a non-migrated SM-2.0 I can not clarify. Is there any doc on all those config fields, particularly those which only appear when you know they exist? Would make submitting a useful bug report easier, and source is not really a great resource, even if you know how to read it, it takes time. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue
chicagofan wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put
up the
screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this
happens only
on this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other
similar
(non-public) server which also allows access to small information
without auth.
Eternal-September is working for me on Port 119, but it DOES require
authentication, so on the server settings page for that news account, I
have checked the box to always request authentication.
Are you saying you are using another port for ES which does not require
authentication?
It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth:
480 authentication required
may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how.
Does this extra information give anyone a clue?
I'm confused why your connections would not require authentication the
same as mine. Maybe if we determine that, we'll stumble on the answer
you need. :)
Yours don't need authentication, either. ES will allow you to connect
and read
the motzarella.* and ES.* groups just fine w/o auth. Auth is needed to
access
other groups on the servers.
That's strange, because these [below] were the instructions I received
by e-mail, after I wrote them about my connection problems after the
changeover from Motzarella. These instructions cleared up my problem:
It will connect with or without auth (but not with invalid auth, clearly). If
you connect and don't offer auth, you can read and post to the subset of groups
mozzarella.*, eternal-september.*, and possenet.* (no idea what that is). If you
get a valid account and offer the credentials you will then see all the
available groups.
You were offering invalid credentials or valid credentials in an invalid way,
resulting in denial. If your passwords were in password manager I think they
would no longer be found when the host name changed, so you would have needed to
(a) check always offer credentials, and (b) put them in by hand.
You can easily validate non-auth operation:
telnet news.eternal-september.org nntp
{200 message}
list
{guest groups list here}
quit
To authenticate, the commands are
authinfo user {account}
authinfp pass {password}
type those before 'list' and you will get the full list.
" I can't sign up for a new account, because it says I have an existing
account."
That was to be expected. You may continue to use your existing
user name and password.
"When I tried just changing my Motzarella address to
eternal-september... nothing happens.
What am I doing wrong about this transition? Thank you"
Please create a new account/server in your *client*, using the
new server name "news.eternal-september.org" and your existing
user name and password. *Please don't forget to set*:
[X] Always authenticate (wording depends on your newsreader)
As mentioned before, this solved my problems.
bj
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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1
jim wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:09:40 +0100, obones in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Hello all, I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import the settings from my existing SM1 installation. All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition. While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when sending emails with SM2. The error says this: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication or contact your service provider. I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by the given server. What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1. Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one? Is there a way to reactivate it? Thanks My situation is that I can receive just gangbusters with SM2. But it refuses to send, giving the SMTP-AUTH message. However, the server settings show no security, no Auth. Let me know if you get it working and most of all, how you did it. I think that may be your problem, you have to match your settings to the server, if it wants auth you have to provide it. Since I don't know what your server wants I can't be sure, but there's a reasonable possibility that you need to configure auth. Not only that, but secure auth, like TLS+SSL (I forget the exact choice in the list), but it's not the checkbox, it's the menu about 1/3 down the screen. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0
Martin Freitag wrote: Steve B. schrieb: Martin Freitag wrote: If this is not enough for you, there's Html Validator: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/249 That's the one I tried, and it generates this message: Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0 This is because the author hasn't updated the compatibility after SM2.0a3 came out. The Easiest way to get around that is to disable the compatibility-check in SM: Type "about:config" in your address-bar Filter for "extensions.checkCompatibility" Set it to "false" Try to install the extension again. Alternatively you can also download the extension, rename the xpi to zip, unzip it, change the SM-max-version to 2.0 in the file install.rdf, zip it again, rename it back to xpi and install it. regards As much as I appreciate these tips, I feel as though the utility of compatibility checking is virtually gone, the majority of things people want need to be hacked one way or another to ignore the check, and I predict that at some point someone will force install something really incompatible, host something they call critical, and bad mouth SeaMonkey widely. It would be better to advise people to bug the author than disable the check, it smacks of taking the battery out of the smoke alarm, it will ignore the backon, but won't work when you need it most. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1
Nairda wrote: obones wrote: Hello all, I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import the settings from my existing SM1 installation. All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition. While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when sending emails with SM2. The error says this: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication or contact your service provider. I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by the given server. What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1. Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one? Is there a way to reactivate it? Thanks It's a known bug, you have to disable secure authentication. It even says so on the SM2 page that loads after the initial installation. It's Under "known issues" or whatever. Of course on many servers that means "never send mail again" because they don't support unauthenticated mail. I *suspect* it means the credentials for the SMTP sever have been lost, unless you have Verizon in which case it means "we are blocking SMTP" and requires that you use Verizon protocol, a variant of message submission protocol, which is only supported by about 15-20% of the servers on Earth. Effectively it means you have to use their servers. Rumors that VZ did this so they could more easily collect your data for the government are unsubstantiated. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
