Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Bill. --On 14 June 2005 17:47 -0500 you wrote about Re: No more OTFE?: Why did you do the following five things? That's puzzling me as well. I had OTFE working fine with just the first 4, search worked fine as well. I'm just wondering, will the location of the mailbase make any difference? I always have mine as a sub folder of the main Bat directory. This is mainly because my backup method involves zipping up my complete Bat installation complete with mail folders and I'd rather not have them dotted about all over the place. When you uninstall TB with the mail folders elsewhere, do they get removed completely as well? Could the residue from them be causing problems? Just a thought. -- Tony. M pgpcXgsmqGzRd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Hello Ethan. --On 14 June 2005 18:25 -0400 you wrote about Re[2]: No more OTFE?: My apologies for bothering the list. You won't bother the list, unless you upset peoples pretty threading :) You certainly won't bother Mary, she thrives on bother, she's always causing it :) -- Tony. M pgpGvZUVxYeem.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/15/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just wondering, will the location of the mailbase make any difference? I always have mine as a sub folder of the main Bat directory. Tony, I also thought about that. But I also set my mail location as a subfolder of the main directory. And my searches in OTFE just froze TB. I don't know the answer to you other questions. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Tony! On Wednesday, June 15, 2005, 3:04 AM, you wrote: My apologies for bothering the list. You won't bother the list, unless you upset peoples pretty threading :) And even then, they will all have the pleasure of trying to figure out what's going on. ;) You certainly won't bother Mary, she thrives on bother, she's always causing it :) Tony, you know, indeed, that I don't set out to cause it! I just don't know how to write proper English and therefore am frequently hard-pressed to explain what I truly did mean. My apologies to Jerry and to anyone else whom I may possibly have upset! So far--fingers crossed, knock on wood--I haven't disrupted any pretty threading, beyond accidentally hijacking subject lines! :( ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
miércoles, 15 jun 2005 at 00:47, it seems you wrote:
Why did you do the following five things?
and don't recover the backup).
- Close TB!
- Delete RIT key in registry
- Open TB!
- Select OTFE
When I installed 3.5.25 TB! asks me the OTFE question but it don't
show a later window asking more info for the OTFE. It seem it was an
installation bug. Maxim said it was solved in the last installer, I
don't tested it sorry.
When TB! it's started without the RIT registry key, it asks the same
questions but the process runs correctly.
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Re[2]: No more OTFE?
miércoles, 15 jun 2005 at 00:25, it seems you wrote:
NV, can you explain why you did that double installation of 3.5.26?
This is not the same approach as Allie and Tony recommended. Will this
give a better restoration of the backup - one in which I can run a
successful search on OTFE directories that were restored from backup
of non-OTFE directories?
I posted another message with the explanation.
With 3.5.25 I tried to activate OTFE and I discovered the bug and
solved it in my computer. It seems the first run of TB! after the
installation don't shows one window with more OTFE questions due to a
installation bug or a registry key bug.
So in the first run I don't restored nothing. I closed TB!, deleted
the registry key. In the next run TB! asks the same questions of the
installation and shows a new window with OTFE options.
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Re: Re[2]: No more OTFE?
On 6/16/05, NetVicious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With 3.5.25 I tried to activate OTFE and I discovered the bug and solved it in my computer. It seems the first run of TB! after the installation don't shows one window with more OTFE questions due to a installation bug or a registry key bug. So in the first run I don't restored nothing. I closed TB!, deleted the registry key. In the next run TB! asks the same questions of the installation and shows a new window with OTFE options. I see. Then your instructions apply only to 3.5.25 with its bug and not to the current 3.5.26, where this problem is corrected. In that case, this will not resolve my issue with OTFE - the Message Finder freezing on a search of a large restored folder (over 2,000 messages). -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hi Avi, On 14/6/2005 3:45 AM +0300, you wrote: But I have to offer a word of caution here. This could have been much worse if I had used OTFE for several days before discovering that I had lost the ability to search my message folders. Then there would have been a good chance that I might have ended up up the creek without a paddle. I thought you would have left your messages on the server while testing. In that way, in the event of trouble and having to abort usage of the installation using OTFE, you'd have the messages on the server for your other installation to retrieve. Anyway, Allie and Tony, it was a good learning experience. Thanks for throwing me out of my nest, even though I discovered that the world of OTFE was not as advertised. :) No problem. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Sharp Cookie. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: No more OTFE?
Monday, June 13, 2005, 8:37:53 PM, you wrote: And, just for the record, even now, Maxim, you have replied to Zygmunt about a slow search and ignored my own report of a totally hung search. Pardon me, but this is both rude and insulting. Ouch! -- Ethan J. Mings Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/14/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you would have left your messages on the server while testing. In that way, in the event of trouble and having to abort usage of the installation using OTFE, you'd have the messages on the server for your other installation to retrieve. Allie, I did that. And I also did a blind copy to a backup server for all of my sent messages. So I was protected. But I generally maintain a backup like that for only a few days. In other words, I treat such messages as obsolete and delete them when they become a few days old. So if it had taken me more than a few days to discover the problem, I could well have lost important messages (both incoming and outgoing). -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: No more OTFE?
On 6/14/05, Ethan J. Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, just for the record, even now, Maxim, you have replied to Zygmunt about a slow search and ignored my own report of a totally hung search. Pardon me, but this is both rude and insulting. Ouch! Right, Jerry. That's exactly what I thought when I saw Maxim responding to Zygmunt and ignoring me. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 7:34:56 AM, you wrote: Right, Jerry. That's exactly what I thought when I saw Maxim responding to Zygmunt and ignoring me. Point noted. I guess one of the questions for me, as mention, is a status report. I'm still experiencing general stability problems with the program yet I have not noticed any comments on the board. So I'm not sure if it's just me or if there work in progress to address some underlying memory and stability issues with the program. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: No more OTFE?
Hello Avi. --On 14 June 2005 14:34 +0300 you wrote about Re: Re[4]: No more OTFE?: Right, Jerry. That's exactly what I thought when I saw Maxim responding to Zygmunt and ignoring me. Welcome to the club, they've been ignoring me for months. -- Tony. M pgpwwe2Nso08c.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 7:12 AM, you wrote: ... I guess one of the questions for me, as mention, is a status report. ... We would all like that. Especially since v. 3.5.25 was announced as a full release and then we get v. 3.5.26, without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. However, endeavoring to use my old bean, I surmise that work is on-going by Maxim on OTFE and the msi installation function, and by 9Val on IMAP, and by Stefan on submission forms-plus-more, and meanwhile the beta testers are in stand-by mode. When the developers who have enough English to be able to communicate with us are very busy, we have often seen these silent periods in the past. I'm still experiencing general stability problems with the program yet I have not noticed any comments on the board. So I'm not sure if it's just me or if there work in progress to address some underlying memory and stability issues with the program. Could you be more specific and pinpoint again your problems? V. 3.5.26 is running quite stably for me. I can't recall when I've had an AV with it, and I've never had a crash. However, I am not endeavoring to do anything in Customise with it--feel no need to change my current UI--and I have had no occasion to make any new filters lately or move any folders around. So far as I can tell, I've had no memory leaks. The program that uses the most resources on my machine seems to be my AV, F-Secure. I don't mind--I have the resources (fortunately) and I like this anti-virus program. The rest of what I have against the current version of TB! consists of my usual complaints: 1) All the scroll-bar scalar (empty space at bottom of panes) issues. 2) Non-quoting (in random occurrence) of Smileys from RTV in the View Folder window to PTV in the Edit Mail Message window. Minor, and I can live with both. Unlike some other minor issues which others have reported as being major to their own use of The Bat! I long for Peter O. and Boris A. to collect all these unfixed annoyances into a single list once more. :) -- Best regards, Mary Using The Bat 3.5.26 Professional (plain, not OTFE installation, in POP3 configuration) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:42:38 AM, you wrote: Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 7:12 AM, you wrote: However, endeavoring to use my old bean, I surmise that work is on-going by Maxim on OTFE and the msi installation function, and by 9Val on IMAP, and by Stefan on submission forms-plus-more, and meanwhile the beta testers are in stand-by mode. That is an interesting summary of the current situation. IT would be helpful to have RIT provide a concise answer outlining who is working on what at this time. When the developers who have enough English to be able to communicate with us are very busy, we have often seen these silent periods in the past. Noted. Yet, one of my concern still remains that when they do communicate, they can surprise us with new beta releases that contain many new features and do not include stable fixes to identified problems. Could you be more specific and pinpoint again your problems? Yes. First, I'm running 3.5.25 on Windows XP SP 2 with 512 memory on an Asus board. I'm running no plug ins and no special features (e.g., non stock graphics etc.). My problems include a) chronic position issues with the connection centre. It appears behind, and often graphically broken. I've run the MSI install repair with no success. b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. c) automatic deleting when I shut down the program even after I have turned off the feature in the individual account. d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. As I have mentioned, I have followed the conversation and my problems are not discussed. The only notable problem appears to the Connection Centre. Overall, the program simply runs poorly compared to its previous version. In fact, the step up to version 3.x from 2.x is simply not provided the promised improvements. Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. If I could get a reasonable document outlining where we are going with this program, I could make some real decisions. I keep holding out for the next update only to find another round of problems and reduction in functions. The decline in performance in the current version, when testing on five difference computers is noticeable along with the growing size of the exe file. So, I'm waiting and wondering. I hope we will have some real news soon. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk 99 Bronte Road - Suite 815 Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6L 3B7 Phone 905/825-9938 Office E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website http://www.ejmings.com Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Hello Mary, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 4:42:38 PM, you wrote: without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a major bug. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 4:42:38 PM, you wrote: without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a major bug. Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug :( To lose their faith in TB! ? :( -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Maxim! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:42 AM, you wrote: without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a major bug. I understand. Thank you so much for replying. I think I didn't put my question clearly: Is 3.5.26 a beta fix? I ask this, because currently the download from the RitLabs website offers 3.5.25 (as is apparent if one clicks to download 3.5 Professional). Now, I'm very glad that 3.5.26 was not placed in public release prior to any problems with it being found by beta testers. I simply wished to know whether it is the precursor of further beta announcements, or, as you said, just a replacement for 3.5.25. That's why I made the comment in my reply to Ethan J. Mings, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to express here my strong feelings of appreciation for how hard you, Maxim, and all the other developers are working. I know that you do read TBBETA and listen to the concerns expressed here, and I do understand how you have to balance your time between working and communicating with the beta testers. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 Professional on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Maxim, On 14-06-2005 16:42, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a MM major bug. As a number of people have reported, we cannot even start .26. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: No more OTFE?
Hello Vili, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:54:14 PM, you wrote: Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug : We've just updated the download page to 3.5.26 -- Best regards, Maximmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Hello Mary, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:59:21 PM, you wrote: Is 3.5.26 a beta fix? What do you mean by saying beta fix? Some testers have reported problems at startup of 3.5.26, that's why we didn't update the version immediately. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Maxim! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 11:12 AM, you wrote: Is 3.5.26 a beta fix? What do you mean by saying beta fix? I meant, only to be released as a beta, pending further numbering before a full release on the public download site. I said it in the context of discussing Jerry Mings's concerns with him, about how further complaints of his might be receiving attention behind-the-scenes. The full release of v. 3.5.26 a few minutes ago answered my question. Thanks. ... Some testers have reported problems at startup of 3.5.26, that's why we didn't update the version immediately. I understand, and it was very prudently done! I'm sorry if I don't always manage to express what I want to know clearly enough. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:40 AM, you wrote, in part: ... Could you be more specific and pinpoint again your problems? Yes. First, I'm running 3.5.25 ... Do you mean 3.5.26? ... on Windows XP SP 2 with 512 memory on an Asus board. I'm running no plug ins and no special features (e.g., non stock graphics etc.). My problems include a) chronic position issues with the connection centre. It appears behind, and often graphically broken. I've run the MSI install repair with no success. Well, the CC problems have been discussed at great length over the past few days. Add a note to the issue report on Bug Tracker, why don't you? : https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4612 b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. No such problem here. So, could you detail further circumstances of your specific set-up that might help the developers pinpoint why this is happening to you and not to most of the rest of us? c) automatic deleting when I shut down the program even after I have turned off the feature in the individual account. Is this in connection with IMAP or with POP3? d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. Again, this is way too general a comment to help anyone pinpoint what's going wrong for you. :( As I have mentioned, I have followed the conversation and my problems are not discussed. The only notable problem appears to the Connection Centre. Overall, the program simply runs poorly compared to its previous version. In fact, the step up to version 3.x from 2.x is simply not provided the promised improvements. Overall, I think, will not be constructive or helpful criticism. What's needed are specific reports of exact circumstances--when confirmed, these can be added to the Bug Track issues pages, where they can be assigned to specific programmers for work. ...Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. Well, Jerry! Again, non-specific complaining. Everyone knows that IMAP is receiving serious work in the current beta series, or at least I would guess, everyone *should* know!! As far as v. 3.5.26, I went back to its first announcement as a rar and found this list of the fixed things from Maxim, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Maxim from June 7: --Begin Copy-and-Paste http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3526.rar [-] The On-The-Fly Encryption startup choice might have ignored. [-] (#0004424) %OAttachments gave mime-encoded filenames in 3.0.9.x (works correctly until 3.0.2.10) [-] Address Book - the View of Intermediate and Trusted Root CA is without function. They won't hide!! [-] Fixed multiple question marks in the right part of the About dialog. [-] If edition of The Bat! was configured in the registry, the choice of On-The-Fly encryption was ignored [-] (#0004731) application error in templates [-] (#0004424) %OAttachments gave mime-encoded filenames in 3.0.9.x (works correctly until 3.0.2.10) [-] (#0004106) Mistake at restoration Backup in other Operational system [-] (#0004079) Attachments stay separated and unencrypted [-] (#0002600) No sound on new IMAP message [-] Fixed multiple question marks in the right part of the About dialog. --End copy-and-paste I think, just my own opinion, the questions and complaints of the beta testers should be at least as specific and concise as Maxim's above-quoted list. :) ... So, I'm waiting and wondering. I hope we will have some real news soon. For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: No more OTFE?
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:11:04 AM, you wrote: MM Hello Vili, MM Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:54:14 PM, you wrote: Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug : MM We've just updated the download page to 3.5.26 Tha-a-a-a-nk you! Sorry, it is the same version dated 06/07/2005. I downloaded it once more, installed it (4th time!), looked at the TheBat! picture with the 3.5.26 version text (4th time!), after 3 minutes kill the not responding application and reinstall the 3.5.25 version. Are we playing a strange game? Do you think it is a normal release? Are you waiting messages from many other persons which wrote about this problem before? -- Best regards, Anatoly TheBat! v.3.5.25 Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 4:54:14 PM, fear chilled people's souls as Vili whispered in a sinister voice: Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug :( To lose their faith in TB! ? :( Lose what? -- .^,-. sin(pi)ICQ=3.146019 -\---/---X---/- IQ=sin(3.14) `-'|`-' Random IRC quote: Evallix I have to stare at it to make it work Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Mary. --On 14 June 2005 11:20 -0500 you wrote about Re: No more OTFE?: The full release of v. 3.5.26 a few minutes ago answered my question. So what's the difference between 3.5.26 released a few moments ago and the 3.5.26 version that I haven't been able to get to work for the past few weeks? -- Tony. M pgpZ1aaJerQKp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
lunes, 13 jun 2005 at 03:01, it seems you wrote:
After a reinstall of windows I reinstalled The Bat! from the
3.5.25 msi install package. I selected OTFE with password.
However it never gave me the opportunity to enter a password.
Now my mail base is in plain text. I updated to 3.5.26 hoping
that that would give me the chance to encrypt.
How do I get encryption back?
I did this:
- Full backup
- Full uninstallation of TB!
- Delete RIT key in registry (normally the uninstaller removes it)
- Install TB! (select OTFE and don't recover the backup).
- Close TB!
- Delete RIT key in registry
- Open TB!
- Select OTFE and restore backup
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Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 12:43:25 PM, you wrote: Do you mean 3.5.26? My error, I am running 3.5.26. For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. My apologies for bothering the list. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/15/05, NetVicious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did this: - Full backup - Full uninstallation of TB! - Delete RIT key in registry (normally the uninstaller removes it) - Install TB! (select OTFE and don't recover the backup). - Close TB! - Delete RIT key in registry - Open TB! - Select OTFE and restore backup NV, can you explain why you did that double installation of 3.5.26? This is not the same approach as Allie and Tony recommended. Will this give a better restoration of the backup - one in which I can run a successful search on OTFE directories that were restored from backup of non-OTFE directories? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: No more OTFE?
On 6/15/05, Ethan J. Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. Jerry, I doubt that Mary meant any disrespect. In any event, please don't be disheartened by one person's opinion. I am sure that many many of us consider your observations about TB to be quite legitimate. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On Tue 14-Jun-05 5:13pm -0500, NetVicious wrote: I did this: - Full backup - Full uninstallation of TB! - Delete RIT key in registry (normally the uninstaller removes it) - Install TB! (select OTFE Why did you do the following five things? and don't recover the backup). - Close TB! - Delete RIT key in registry - Open TB! - Select OTFE and restore backup -- Best regards, Bill The Wounded Bat 3.5.25 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:25 PM, you wrote: For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. Indeed, I meant no disrespect in the paragraph you quote from me, above. I just wanted you to be more specific and pinpoint the circumstances in which The Bat! isn't performing well for you, so that maybe those problems can be fixed. And I wanted you to add a note to the report on the Connection Centre in Bug Tracker. The more such supporting notes there are, the more likely the foreground/background difficulties with CC will get fixed soon. My apologies for bothering the list. You were not bothering the list, or me either. You gave me an opportunity to express my own viewpoint. I will be happy to continue reading your general complaints. I just want a better chance to see them attended to. I think already Maxim is paying attention to people for whom v. 3.5.26 won't run at all. I like to see us give him (and the others) a little encouragement along with the criticism. friendly smile :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Avi! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:41 PM, you wrote: I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. Jerry, I doubt that Mary meant any disrespect. In any event, please don't be disheartened by one person's opinion. I am sure that many many of us consider your observations about TB to be quite legitimate. Thanks, Avi. I did indeed mean no disrespect. Sometimes it is hard for me to say exactly what I intend to say. I consider Jerry's observations both legitimate and valuable. But I wanted to ask him to expand on them and be very specific, so that maybe a Bug Track issue report could be written and there might in that way be a better chance of getting the problems attended to. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hi Mary, On 14/06/2005 11:43 AM -0500, you wrote: b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. No such problem here. So, could you detail further circumstances of your specific set-up that might help the developers pinpoint why this is happening to you and not to most of the rest of us? What more information would be helpful here? Anyway, to give Ethan something to test, I can confirm the increased memory consumption. The 'good part' being that if you don't have TB! set to always have its icon in the systray, the memory is released on minimizing TB!.. d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. Again, this is way too general a comment to help anyone pinpoint what's going wrong for you. :( Apart from some objective evidence, i.e., actual timings to help eliminate subjectivity, I don't see what more can be said here.. What specifically would you wish to know? Overall, I think, will not be constructive or helpful criticism. What's needed are specific reports of exact circumstances--when confirmed, these can be added to the Bug Track issues pages, where they can be assigned to specific programmers for work. If the problem isn't specific, how can one give a specific report. One can only report that they aren't happy and what the general problem is. That's a start; i.e., communicating that you're not happy. Only the developers or someone highly experienced in development and beta testing etc. can point the person reporting in the right direction. They're the ones that will have ideas about what could be wrong and ask for the relevant information. I've been there many times, i.e., starting general and being asked specifics by developers. Things are mentioned that I'd just never think of. If the reporter has specific circumstances, they'll usually state it. Just asking for it without any guidance doesn't help. Frankly, I don't know what to ask, but I sure acknowledge that he *is* having a problem, even though I may not be able to duplicate it. ...Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. Well, Jerry! Again, non-specific complaining. Everyone knows that IMAP is receiving serious work in the current beta series, or at least I would guess, everyone *should* know!! I know, and I'm quietly using Mulberry here. Serious work doesn't take this situation away... at least not yet. I don't really see it as a complaint. He's stating his problems as you asked him to. The whole IMAP deal is a can of worms and I fully understand his making a general comment and not really getting into it. What would be the point of it? It's so heavily discussed already. He's just mentioning it as part of his pool of problems that you were curious about. I think, just my own opinion, the questions and complaints of the beta testers should be at least as specific and concise as Maxim's above-quoted list. :) It cannot always be like that. I doubt it will ever be like that. He has control, and he made specific changes that he can report on. OTOH, I may just see high memory usage ... and I just report what I see and wait for further instructions. Quite often, and this memory issue makes a good example, fixes are made without any query for specifics after we simply reported the problem. For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. That's an ideal that, IMO, will never be realized under the current circumstances. I see something close to that ideal on other lists, but the current conditions and communication levels make this a highly unlikely thing to happen here. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- I will defend to your death my right to my opinion. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Allie! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 6:01 PM, you wrote: b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. No such problem here. So, could you detail further circumstances of your specific set-up that might help the developers pinpoint why this is happening to you and not to most of the rest of us? What more information would be helpful here? Allie, I am so very ignorant. I didn't mean to open a can of worms or to make Jerry feel that his observations aren't wanted, and I just now said so to him. But, I thought maybe he could say what other programs were running concurrent with TB! when he shuts it down, whether maybe the CC thought it should still be completing a task (I've seen that happen myself a long time ago, as early as v. 2.xx), and what the Task Manager was saying about all of it. I thought that Jerry knows a lot more about programs than I do--just as I think that you do, Allie--and that he could add something to his report of hanging on shut-down. Anyway, to give Ethan something to test, I can confirm the increased memory consumption. The 'good part' being that if you don't have TB! set to always have its icon in the systray, the memory is released on minimizing TB!.. I'm glad to have you add this. I remembered your having said something along those lines, just couldn't remember when. d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. Again, this is way too general a comment to help anyone pinpoint what's going wrong for you. :( Apart from some objective evidence, i.e., actual timings to help eliminate subjectivity, I don't see what more can be said here.. Well, yes, compare times in numbers between the releases that ran well for him and those that didn't. And whether he was running the same mix of programs alongside The Bat! with the older versions that ran fast enough as with v. 3.5.25 and v. 3.5.26. What specifically would you wish to know? Well, maybe, is his OS in general running slow? Would he be willing to put say, v. 3.0.2.10 or perhaps v. 3.1.33 back on his machine for a little while and actually time the difference in speed? Overall, I think, will not be constructive or helpful criticism. What's needed are specific reports of exact circumstances--when confirmed, these can be added to the Bug Track issues pages, where they can be assigned to specific programmers for work. If the problem isn't specific, how can one give a specific report. One can only report that they aren't happy and what the general problem is. True. And then we read these reports over a period of days and weeks, and no one answers, so I thought maybe we could get a description with some numerical measurements in it and get a developer to answer. That's a start; i.e., communicating that you're not happy. Only the developers or someone highly experienced in development and beta testing etc. can point the person reporting in the right direction. They're the ones that will have ideas about what could be wrong and ask for the relevant information. Yes. I don't know what the developers need. I just know that I have seen people like 9Val and Maxim over and over on this list--when they actually began to pay attention and work on someone's problem--ask for a more specific description. I've been there many times, i.e., starting general and being asked specifics by developers. Things are mentioned that I'd just never think of. If the reporter has specific circumstances, they'll usually state it. Just asking for it without any guidance doesn't help. Frankly, I don't know what to ask, but I sure acknowledge that he *is* having a problem, even though I may not be able to duplicate it. Well, that's why I started talking to Jerry. I saw that he had a problem--even though my set-up with v. 3.5.26 is not exhibiting that problem. I wanted to help get some attention for it, as he seemed to feel he was not getting that attention. The same way that I wanted to understand and help with Avi's CC foreground/background problem. ...Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. Well, Jerry! Again, non-specific complaining. Everyone knows that IMAP is receiving serious work in the current beta series, or at least I would guess, everyone *should* know!! I know, and I'm quietly using Mulberry here. Serious work doesn't take this situation away... at least not yet. I don't really see it as a complaint. He's stating his problems as you asked him to. The whole IMAP deal is a can of worms and I fully understand his making a general comment and not really getting into it. What would be the point of it? It's so heavily discussed already. He's just mentioning it as part of his pool of problems that you were curious
Re: No more OTFE?
--On Monday, June 13, 2005 11:01:00 +1000 znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and also did a backup via WinRAR and RegEdit. How do I get encryption back? Restore the RAR archive and the reg file you saved. The upgrade to 26. -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:No more OTFE?
G'day Tony, On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 09:19:51 [GMT +0100] (18:19 here) you wrote: --On Monday, June 13, 2005 11:01:00 +1000 znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and also did a backup via WinRAR and RegEdit. How do I get encryption back? Restore the RAR archive and the reg file you saved. The upgrade to 26. How then does a new user start using OTFE? -- znark :flag-australia: The Bat! 3.5.26Windows XP - Service Pack 2, Build 2600 Hotmail Popper 2.1.1POPFile 0.22.1 PGP 8.1 \ GPG 1.2.5 Envy's memory is nothing but a row of hooks to hang up grudges on. -- John Watson Foster Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:No more OTFE?
--On Monday, June 13, 2005 19:32:12 +1000 znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How then does a new user start using OTFE? If you already have an OTFE installation and the associated reg file, moving to a new PC or newly reformatted PC should preserve the OTFE mode, it did for me the lasr time I tried it. If your starting from scratch as a new user you won't have the registry entries to worry about. Just install, pick OTFE, enter a pass when asked and that should be it. I've not tried it for quite a few of the latter versions so if the above don't work, in line with current trends, it's probably broke. -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:No more OTFE?
G'day Tony, On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 10:43:05 [GMT +0100] (19:43 here) you wrote: --On Monday, June 13, 2005 19:32:12 +1000 znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How then does a new user start using OTFE? If you already have an OTFE installation and the associated reg file, moving to a new PC or newly reformatted PC should preserve the OTFE mode, it did for me the lasr time I tried it. If your starting from scratch as a new user you won't have the registry entries to worry about. Just install, pick OTFE, enter a pass when asked and that should be it. I've not tried it for quite a few of the latter versions so if the above don't work, in line with current trends, it's probably broke. Well I think it is broken then. Anyone else confirm? - Fresh install of The Bat! Pro 3.5.25 / 26 - Select OTFE with password. - No chance of password entry - No OFTE enabled -- znark :flag-australia: The Bat! 3.5.26Windows XP - Service Pack 2, Build 2600 FreePOPs 0.0.29GNUPG 1.4.1 GPGshell 3.44 Why build a wall round a cemetery when no-one wants to get in? Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:No more OTFE?
G'day Tony, On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 10:43:05 [GMT +0100] (19:43 here) you wrote: --On Monday, June 13, 2005 19:32:12 +1000 znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've not tried it for quite a few of the latter versions so if the above don't work, in line with current trends, it's probably broke. Which was the last version able to install a working OTFE with password? -- znark :flag-australia: The Bat! 3.5.26Windows XP - Service Pack 2, Build 2600 FreePOPs 0.0.29GNUPG 1.4.1 GPGshell 3.44 The shortest distance between two points is under construction. -- Bill Sanderson Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:No more OTFE?
--On Monday, June 13, 2005 20:06:28 +1000 znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which was the last version able to install a working OTFE with password? I have no idea, I've not been able to use TB for quite a while. I'd love to be able to but with it's present IMAP ability I just can't use it. I think the last version I used with OTFE was pre 3.5.xx. Leave it with me for an hour or so, I got a few chores to do then I'll boot up XP and try a fresh OTFE install with 3.5.26 just for you, see if it works. -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think it is broken then. Anyone else confirm? - Fresh install of The Bat! Pro 3.5.25 / 26 - Select OTFE with password. - No chance of password entry - No OFTE enabled Confirmed... but the problem is older than this. I confirm this. I did a fresh install of 3.5 on a computer that had never seen TB. On starting TB I checked the OTFE option with password. I have never been asked for a password. I wondered about this but never took time to dig into it, not being inspired by the way Ritlabs has been ignoring my other bug reports and requests. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Znark, Well I think it is broken then. Anyone else confirm? - Fresh install of The Bat! Pro 3.5.25 / 26 - Select OTFE with password. - No chance of password entry - No OFTE enabled I made a test installation of TB! Pro v3.5.26 (MSI) on WinXP/SP1. In the process of the installation I was asked for the the master password. The installation of the OTFE proceeded here without problems, so I cannot confirm. -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which was the last version able to install a working OTFE with password? As I just mentioned, I could not install a working OTFE with password using 3.5 (some 26 versions back). As far as I am concerned, the 3.5 series might be pretty, but too much basic functionality was and still is broken and not enough promised functionality has yet been delivered to justify the purchase of TB Pro 3.x. I'd ask for my money back, but RL would no doubt ignore that request also. :-q -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Miroslav Florensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a test installation of TB! Pro v3.5.26 (MSI) on WinXP/SP1. In the process of the installation I was asked for the the master password. The installation of the OTFE proceeded here without problems, so I cannot confirm. This problem might have gotten fixed - at least for some people - in 3.5.26. Perhaps that is what Maxim meant when he listed among the things that 3.5.26 fixes something about OTFE startup choices. I will try installing 3.5.26 on that virgin computer. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will try installing 3.5.26 on that virgin computer. After removing all traces of 3.5, 3.5.26 installed OTFE correctly for me. Of course, this is not a version of TB that I will ever use. For the version of TB that I do use, I still have not gathered enough courage to back up all of my data and settings and do a fresh install to get the OTFE. The cost of something going wrong is too high. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
--On Monday, June 13, 2005 14:19:16 +0300 Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the version of TB that I do use, I still have not gathered enough courage to back up all of my data and settings and do a fresh install to get the OTFE. The cost of something going wrong is too high. I don't understand why people are so scared of reinstalling or backing up TB. I have a batch file that backs up the registry entries and then rars the whole lot up with Winrar. Transferring to a new PC or reformatted and freshly installed Windows PC is just a matter of unraring the file and then running the reg file... It has NEVER let me down yet. If anything goes wrong with a new install the above backup will always sort it out. This is the method I'm going to use when I try an experiment to get OTFE working here for znark, safe in the knowledge that I can restore back to *exactly* how it was before I started. The only extra work needed with the above method is the creating of a desktop shortcut. -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello znark, A reminder of what znark on TBBETA typed on: 13 June 2005 at 20:06:28 GMT +1000 Which was the last version able to install a working OTFE with password? I've just installed 3.5.26 with OTFE with no problem at all. And I'm now back with my original installation without OTFE also without a single problem. These are the exact steps I took: 1. Backed up HKCU Software RIT registry entries. 2. Zipped up my complete The Bat! directory into a RAR file with Winrar. 3. Deleted HKCU Software RIT registry entries. 4. Installed 3.5.26 MSI file choosing OTFE. (Didn't bother to even delete the old TB directory) Thereafter I was asked for the password I set up every time I booted TB! To restore my previous non-OTFE version: 1. Unzipped the RAR file overwriting all previous TB! files. 2. Double clicked the registry file to enter my previous registry entries. And here it is, just as it was before messing with OTFE, as if it had never been changed. So to answer your question, 3.5.26 is the latest fully working OTFE capable version that I managed to install with no problems at all... -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgp5cDOzVom8C.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just installed 3.5.26 with OTFE with no problem at all. And I'm now back with my original installation without OTFE also without a single problem. These are the exact steps I took: 1. Backed up HKCU Software RIT registry entries. 2. Zipped up my complete The Bat! directory into a RAR file with Winrar. 3. Deleted HKCU Software RIT registry entries. 4. Installed 3.5.26 MSI file choosing OTFE. (Didn't bother to even delete the old TB directory) Thereafter I was asked for the password I set up every time I booted TB! Tony, maybe I don't understand what is contained in the registry entries. But in your procedure above you backed up and then deleted the old registry entries and never restored the old registry entries. So my question is what did you lose there? Is the only difference between the two versions of the registry entries the OTFE? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hi Tony, On 13/6/2005 12:30 PM +0100, you wrote: I don't understand why people are so scared of reinstalling or backing up TB. I agree. I think the fear is unreasonable. Avi, I assume you backup your mail multiple times per day. That would make your concern with attempting an OTFE install consistent. :) Do the following and you will be Ok. - Run a backup of your installation, using the TB! backup utility. Select all options for backup. - Copy the TB! installation to another location. You could simply give the directory another name. :) - Export the TB! registry key to file. - Delete both directories. - Install TB! again, choosing OTFE. Restore from the TB! generated backup. - If that fails then delete the bad installation. - Restore your copied directory to the correct location and double click your registry key export to restore your original registry settings. It will be like nothing had happened. You can also run parallel installations of TB!, i.e., separate installations with separate registry settings on the same machine. If you're interested in how to to that just shout. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Avi. --On 13 June 2005 15:15 +0300 you wrote about Re: No more OTFE?: Is the only difference between the two versions of the registry entries the OTFE? I have absolutely no idea. I just did it as an experiment to see if OTFE with 3.5.26 worked OK here or if it was indeed broken. It's not broken. Had I wanted to retain all my message base, address books, filters etc. while still gaining OTFE I would have used TB's own backup facility to create a backup. Then after following the procedure I outlined I would have chose to restore from backup at the account set up stage. That way everything would be as before but with the addition of OTFE. -- Tony. M pgp6m4aKZ6nJm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Allie. --On 13 June 2005 07:23 -0500 you wrote about Re: No more OTFE?: You can also run parallel installations of TB!, i.e., separate installations with separate registry settings on the same machine. If you're interested in how to to that just shout. I had two copies of TB running when OTFE was first implemented. One with and one without OTFE. I even modified my batch file to backup both installations including the reg entries and it worked flawlessly. So like Allie said it's possible for you to use both without losing or interfering with either. I just had a thought :lightbulb: Let you know what it is if it works... -- Tony. M pgpFuW49YuEA9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:No more OTFE?
G'day Tony, On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 12:55:45 [GMT +0100] (21:55 here) you wrote: Hello znark, A reminder of what znark on TBBETA typed on: 13 June 2005 at 20:06:28 GMT +1000 Which was the last version able to install a working OTFE with password? I've just installed 3.5.26 with OTFE with no problem at all. And I'm now back with my original installation without OTFE also without a single problem. ...snip... So to answer your question, 3.5.26 is the latest fully working OTFE capable version that I managed to install with no problems at all... OTFE still didn't work for me with a fresh install of 3.5.26. - Did a backup via the backup menu - Did a backup via a .bat script with WinRAR - I did an unistall - Removed the mail base directory - Removed The Bat! directory - Deleted the RIT entry in HKCU\software - Installed The Bat! 3.5.26 - Selected OTFE with password There was still no opportunity to set a password. 'There's something screwy going on around here' However I have now got OTFE by restoring the last backup I did using WinRAR before I reformatted the system. Then I reinstalled 3.5.26 followed by a restore from backup via the tools menu to get any mail I received since not having OTFE. I then did a folder maintenance to remove any dupes. It's working fine now. :) Thanks for your help Tony! I still think there is something that needs looking at in the install package \ setup. -- znark :flag-australia: The Bat! 3.5.26Windows XP - Service Pack 2, Build 2600 FreePOPs 0.0.29GNUPG 1.4.1 GPGshell 3.44 Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello znark, A reminder of what znark on TBBETA typed on: 13 June 2005 at 23:26:16 GMT +1000 Thanks for your help Tony! Your more than welcome. A reminder of what Tony Boom on TBBETA typed on: 13 June 2005 at 14:17:37 GMT +0100 Let you know what it is if it works... It did after a fashion but not very elegantly. I created a backup with TB. Created a .reg file of HKCU RIT unencrypted version. Installed TB with OTFE. Restored the backup. Created a .reg file of HKCU RIT encrypted version. To switch between the two I just clicked the relevant .reg file. Trouble is you have to restore the backup each time. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgp1xKfbRFebl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand why people are so scared of reinstalling or backing up TB. Perhaps they - we - are scared because if it were something straightforward, RL should have provided a script for this, integrated a movement to OTFE as part of the upgrade process. The fact that they did not do so - have no plans to do so - makes it seem that there is a significant chance for problem. I agree. I think the fear is unreasonable. Maybe. But I think this would be a hard sell to Joe Public. I assume you backup your mail multiple times per day. That would make your concern with attempting an OTFE install consistent. :) Do the following and you will be Ok. Normally, once every five minutes - incremental and with multiple copies... Just kidding. - Run a backup of your installation, using the TB! backup utility. Select all options for backup. So far, so good. - Copy the TB! installation to another location. You could simply give the directory another name. :) Not a problem. - Export the TB! registry key to file. Not such a big deal. - Delete both directories. Thud! Which two directories? - Install TB! again, choosing OTFE. Restore from the TB! generated backup. - If that fails then delete the bad installation. Double thud! What's with this If that fails...? - Restore your copied directory to the correct location and double click your registry key export to restore your original registry settings. It will be like nothing had happened. I reckon that's true. The worst that can happen is that I fail to install and end up back where I started. But what happens if I successfully install OTFE but discover that some of my settings have been lost? Then I have to waste time trying to get back what I lost or give up the OTFE - probably a difficult choice. So I keep deferring this until a day when I have several hours to spare in case something goes wrong. But that day when I want to set aside several hours to fidget with TB has not yet arrived. You can also run parallel installations of TB!, i.e., separate installations with separate registry settings on the same machine. If you're interested in how to to that just shout. Err, no thanks. The whole point of OTFE is - for me - to have one secure version of TB, not to have one secure version and another insecure version. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tony, On 13/6/2005 12:30 PM +0100, you wrote: I don't understand why people are so scared of reinstalling or backing up TB. I agree. I think the fear is unreasonable. Alright, Allie, after both you and Tony have told me that I have an unreasonable fear, I screwed up my courage - so to speak - and took the plunge... using the 3.5.26 msi (despite its still broken Connection Centre). And, yes, you were both right. The installation of OTFE went smoothly, as did the backup (which surprised me because the last time I used the TB backup facility it ran into snags). Everything looks normal, for now, but I will report any problems that I notice as they come up. The only immediate problem I have noticed up was with one new message template that employed a text file that I stored inside my TB installation directory. I won't make that mistake again, but fortunately I had only renamed my previous installation directory and so could easily retrieve the file. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.26 with OTFE Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything looks normal, for now, but I will report any problems that I notice as they come up. The only immediate problem I have noticed up was with one new message template that employed a text file that I stored inside my TB installation directory. I won't make that mistake again, but fortunately I had only renamed my previous installation directory and so could easily retrieve the file. Well, it didn't take long to run into a snag. I tried to do a search on one the text in one folder. The progress bar indicates that the search is about 10-20% done. 30 messages are found with the target text (text). And then the Message Finder just hangs. The only way to stop the process is with Ctrl-Alt-Del. This never happened to me before. Perhaps it is a bug in OTFE. Either way, it makes the OTFE version of TB unusable for me. So I'm going back... and just hoping that I will be able to get everything running as before. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it didn't take long to run into a snag. I tried to do a search on one the text in one folder. The progress bar indicates that the search is about 10-20% done. 30 messages are found with the target text (text). And then the Message Finder just hangs. The only way to stop the process is with Ctrl-Alt-Del. This never happened to me before. Perhaps it is a bug in OTFE. Either way, it makes the OTFE version of TB unusable for me. So I'm going back... and just hoping that I will be able to get everything running as before. Definitely a bug in the OTFE Message Finder - either that or some messages get corrupted in the backup-restore operation involved with getting OTFE up and running. I am back with my non-OTFE version of TB and I can run the same searches again without a problem. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 20:55:34 [UTC+0300] (Monday, June 13, 2005 19:55 my local time) Avi Yashar wrote: text (text). And then the Message Finder just hangs. The only way to stop the process is with Ctrl-Alt-Del. This never happened to me before. Perhaps it is a bug in OTFE. Either way, it makes the OTFE version of TB unusable for me. So I'm going back... and just hoping that I will be able to get everything running as before. Definitely a bug in the OTFE Message Finder - either that or some messages get corrupted in the backup-restore operation involved with getting OTFE up and running. I am back with my non-OTFE version of TB and I can run the same searches again without a problem. I use OTFE mode since several months and recently I observed this slowness as well. Max Masyutin replied to my remark on this subject, see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.5.26 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 with BayesIt! 0.8.1) Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Avi, A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on: 13 June 2005 at 18:06:32 GMT +0300 And, yes, you were both right. Not often we're wrong is Allie, not at the same time anyway. I'm a Bricklayer, he's a Doctor, if I get it wrong and a house falls on you he's there to patch you up. If he gets it wrong then you'll never worry about anything again :) Glad you got your OTFE working now, there's nothing more frustrating than everyone saying it works fine for them when your's won't. Not wishing to say this too loudly but TB seems to be expunging OK here so far so I'm a little happier than I was. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpFalRiNNF1U.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Avi, A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on: 13 June 2005 at 18:48:19 GMT +0300 This never happened to me before. Perhaps it is a bug in OTFE. Either way, it makes the OTFE version of TB unusable for me. So I'm going back... and just hoping that I will be able to get everything running as before. Sorry to hear that. If you followed Allie and my instructions you should have no trouble restoring to non OTFE. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgp3FtXSbcLIn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hi Avi, On 13/6/2005 8:55 PM +0300, you wrote: Definitely a bug in the OTFE Message Finder - either that or some messages get corrupted in the backup-restore operation involved with getting OTFE up and running. I am back with my non-OTFE version of TB and I can run the same searches again without a problem. chuckle I'm thrilled that you decided to venture out, test OTFE, see that it's not working for you and have your system back where you started. When I had said 'if that fails', I meant either if the restore process failed or the OTFE installation didn't work for you. You could then easily restore back to your original state. I'm very sure that it didn't take hours to do it either. Right? :) -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Never draw fire, it irritates everyone around you Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Hello Zygmunt, Monday, June 13, 2005, 21:23:08, you wrote: I use OTFE mode since several months and recently I observed this slowness as well. Max Masyutin replied to my remark on this subject, see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OTFE shouldn't be any slower than regular mode. If it's much slower, than it's a bug. If you'll put it to /bt/ with as much info as possible, we'd be grateful. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: No more OTFE?
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MM Hello Zygmunt, MM Monday, June 13, 2005, 21:23:08, you wrote: I use OTFE mode since several months and recently I observed this slowness as well. Max Masyutin replied to my remark on this subject, see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MM OTFE shouldn't be any slower than regular mode. If it's much MM slower, than it's a bug. If you'll put it to /bt/ with as much MM info as possible, we'd be grateful. I've seen people using :text: and /text/ and stuff like this. Is it supposed to be seen differently? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Clinton/Gore - Gone in Four. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use OTFE mode since several months and recently I observed this slowness as well. Max Masyutin replied to my remark on this subject, see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OTFE shouldn't be any slower than regular mode. If it's much slower, than it's a bug. If you'll put it to /bt/ with as much info as possible, we'd be grateful. Maxim, in my case, it wasn't slower - it hung forever, stopped responding - and I had to Ctrl-Alt-Del to TB to end the process. I tried this several times with different text that I searched for, always with the same result. When I restored my previous installation - without OTFE - the same searches (in the same folder) were completed successfully and smoothly. So there is definitely a bug in the process - the backup-and-restore process or the OTFE search process. Personally, I am so frustrated by the way in which RL makes me jump through hoops to get problematic OTFE and the way in which RL has ignored my other complaint about the Connection Centre that I cannot be bothered to figure out where this bug originates. And, just for the record, even now, Maxim, you have replied to Zygmunt about a slow search and ignored my own report of a totally hung search. Pardon me, but this is both rude and insulting. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/13/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm very sure that it didn't take hours to do it either. Right? :) No, it took seconds to restore and some occasional tweaking after restoring to get the appearance that I am accustomed to (and to get the few new messages that I had collected in the OTFE version). All I did was delete the RIT directory in the registry, rename my non-OTFE TB directory as before, then restored the saved non-OTFE registry settings. But I have to offer a word of caution here. This could have been much worse if I had used OTFE for several days before discovering that I had lost the ability to search my message folders. Then there would have been a good chance that I might have ended up up the creek without a paddle. Anyway, Allie and Tony, it was a good learning experience. Thanks for throwing me out of my nest, even though I discovered that the world of OTFE was not as advertised. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
No more OTFE?
G'day TBBETA, I recently completely wiped my system and started from scratch. Before I reformatted I did a backup via the tools menu and also did a backup via WinRAR and RegEdit. I was previously using OTFE and was using version 3.5.25. After a reinstall of windows I reinstalled The Bat! from the 3.5.25 msi install package. I selected OTFE with password. However it never gave me the opportunity to enter a password. Now my mail base is in plain text. I updated to 3.5.26 hoping that that would give me the chance to encrypt. How do I get encryption back? -- znark :flag-australia: The Bat! 3.5.26Windows XP - Service Pack 2, Build 2600 FreePOPs 0.0.29GPG 1.4.1GPGshell 3.44 Then I heard this voice coming from far away saying, I love you. And then I thought,is this God? This is God, I mean He really did have an English accent, just like in those old movies. -- Ivanova Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
