Re[2]: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Anne]

Monday, October 21, 2002, 2:29:58 PM,Allie wrote in message
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ACM> I know that many newcomers and even veterans would benefit from
ACM> such a system. Especially those who don't have the time to take
ACM> on the regular list traffic.

My feeling is that the high volume of traffic on TBUDL would be an
excellent reason for having a message board as well. Even though I'm
really keen to learn more about TB I am still struggling to keep up
with the message flow - others may not be able to do so and drop off
the list. A message board will give access on a different sort of
level to those users who want it. Treat it rather as a drop-in centre
rather than a full-time hang-out! ;-)


ACM> Perhaps TB!'s userbase has grown to the point where it could sustain
ACM> both interfaces for support, in that one could have both a mailing
ACM> list and a message board.

I'm sure it can do - and it will as others have said help expand the
range of users beyond those who consider TB a geeky piece of kit.
Message boards are a tool like any other - and it makes sense to use
*all* forms of tools both to promote and support the product.


ACM> If mailing listsas the TBLists, hadn't existed then a message
ACM> board would likely thrive. I really don't know how one would do
ACM> now.

Whether it thrives or just potters along slowly it will still serve a
need for some users. I have a couple of very small, quiet, specialist
message boards which serve such a purpose. They fill a gap which
nothing else does.


ACM> I don't know how willing the more helpful members here would be
ACM> to participate, and if so how much they'd participate. One would
ACM> just have to try it.

Certainly I'd be happy to use a message board - both in asking - and
answering questions where I can.  Surely it'd be possible to have
enough users in favour of a mesage board to be able to provide a
separate moderation team for it - rather than expect the existing mods
to shoulder even more work! On the other hand - if they want to and
have time to do so then even better ;-)


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Re: Removing top posting--how?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Barry2,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:04:55 +0100 GMT (22/10/02, 00:04 +0700 GMT),
Barry2 wrote:

> Question - would that make TB! the virus writer's target of choice
> too... ??

I don't think so, because TB just doesn't have the makret share to
give enough "fun" to the virus-writers.

But then again, let them try. Any virus that comes in will be an
attachment, and I get suspicious very quickly. ;-)

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unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Vishal Nakra]

How can I do this? The volume of email makes me feel that this is
necessary, since there is no daily digest mode(is there one?), nor is
there a central bulletin board where I could read the messages at my
convenience. If anyone has found a way of dealing with this list without
having to unsubscribe and then subscribing whenever they have a
problem, I'd like to hear about it.

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Re[2]: bat vs outlook etc.

[Barry2]

Hello Elaine,

Monday, October 21, 2002, 1:51:24 PM, you wrote:

E> Hello Tomasz

E> On Monday, October 21, 2002, you wrote

>> I see no remedy to this situation and, to be honest, I think it's even
>> an advantage for TB that it's not so popular. Maybe not financially,
>> but at least the user base concentrates on resolving more complex
>> problems and not helping newbies, which, in my opinion, pushes TB's
>> development in the right direction.

E> Yes, I firmly believe that only the most die-hard and doggedly
E> determined newbie will last with learning and using TB! and I
E> think that is a shame.  Although I frequently mention my use of
E> it on my mailing lists, I rarely recommend it for home users
E> although there are millions of them out there that would benefit
E> from using it.

Which very neatly brings us back to the 'walkthrough' style of help
for those very folks. Whilst I agree TB! is a terrific product and far
more flexible than the rest, to just limit its appeal to a small
user-base isn't the way to go as I see it. Sure, there are folks who
want all the bells and whistles of a full blown e-mail client like TB!
but equally there are users who would benefit from the security
aspects of TB! if only they could be shown how to set the darned thing
up properly :-)

Like has been said before - the built in help files aren't a whole lot
of use as they are.

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Parking tasks

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Batpeople,

   What is the logic behind the feature to park tasks in Connection
   Center? Why would someone want to "keep this task" ?

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Gerard]

ON Monday, October 21, 2002, 6:57:27 PM, you wrote:


DH> To what I've heard it's only the establishment (particularly the
DH> government and comedie Francaise - sorry, that should read Academie
DH> ...). French people seem to be much more sensible and intelligent.
DH> Other than in Germany ...

Dierk,
 I have to agree on the French people part. Being Dutch and not speaking
 French (I do speak German and English) I have noticed more and more
 French people speaking English. I can now order a coffee in Paris and
 the Provence :-)

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Re: Relaying denied?

[Johannes Posel]

Dear Doug,

Going back 15:36 21.10.2002...

> Sounds like I may have problems whatever I do!

May otherweise be as well that not only your ISPs SMTP server gets
blacklisted, but his address pool as well. You could subscribe to some
service like myrealbox.com that provide a SMTP AUTH server for free.

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Re[2]: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Britt Malka]

Dear Thomas,


Monday, October 21, 2002 at 7:53:56 PM you wrote:

TF> I am not sure about a French list, but why don't you check out the
TF> link at the bottom of each posting? ;-)

There are a French list for our customers - we are owners of that list ;-)

There is also a French online board at www.malka.com/board/


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Re: POP3 error: What's this?!

[Johannes Posel]

Dear Peter,

Going back 19:03 21.10.2002...

> But it seems to be a server misconfiguration to me.

Mhhh, may well be.

> P.S.: Couldn't reproduce this error, so maybe already solved???

No, unfortunately not. I'm using it via APOP setting, as the greeting
suggests me the server supports APOP. Guess I'll call them
sometimes...

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Britt,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:51:38 +0200 GMT (21/10/02, 23:51 +0700 GMT),
Britt Malka wrote:

> What do you call someone who knows one language?

> A Frenchman.

Wouldn't that be a non-Latino American instead?



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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Steve,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:22:17 +1000 GMT (21/10/02, 17:22 +0700 GMT),
Steve Mullarkey wrote:

> The biggest problem, IMO, is that the help file is inadequate. I know
> several friends who could benefit from The Bat but there's no way I'd
> recommend it without a vastly improved help file. I'll recommend TB!
> to friends with a good level of computer competency but to the average
> home user  no way !

Let me disagree. ;-)

This very list is part of the assistance any new user can get.

And TB isn't difficult to use. My mother uses it, and she is certainly
not in any TB user's list.

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Re[4]: Removing top posting--how?

[Barry2]

Hello Anne,

Monday, October 21, 2002, 3:44:24 AM, you wrote:

A> Additionally, step-by-step instructions for setting up the basic
A> parts of the program would be good - e.g. we did one for setting up
A> the mail dispatcher which has been sent to various TB new users as
A> a guide to how to make it work. These sorts of things on a website
A> would be really useful resources.

As the 'other half' of this 'we' I have to agree ( not for that
reason either !! ) that the response to our simple instructions was
terrific. I'm sure this would do far more to promote the cause of TB!
as the e-mail client of choice for the technically un-savvy user.

Question - would that make TB! the virus writer's target of choice
too... ??

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Re: POP3 error: What's this?!

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Johannes,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:40:01 +0200
Johannes Posel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Did any one acutally see such an error message before?
> 
>  21.10.2002, 17:36:54: FETCH - receiving mail messages
>  21.10.2002, 17:36:59: FETCH - connected to POP3 server
> !21.10.2002, 17:36:59: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is:
> -ERR server does not support ISOCOR SETBANNER extension

No. Never seen before.

But it seems to be a server misconfiguration to me.

The Bat! does not (to my best knowledge) send anything similar to
'isocor' or 'banner' to the server, there is not even a POP command
known to me similar to one of these.
So I guess the admin set up the server to put out a 'banner' or
something else albeit the daemon does not support it (maybe a version
change of daemon software and an old config file or a new one with
defaults that do not fit to compiling options).
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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Britt,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:28:16 +0200 GMT (21/10/02, 19:28 +0700 GMT),
Britt Malka wrote:

> With the risk of sounding French ;-> Not all TB users speak English.

There are lists in several languages. German, Russian, French,
Spanish, Czech come to mind. I am not sure about a French list, but
why don't you check out the link at the bottom of each posting? ;-)

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Britt!

On Monday, October 21, 2002 at 6:51:38 PM you wrote:

> Either you misunderstood my poor English, or I misunderstood you, but
> I was talking about this list, not The Bat!

No, no, I just used your message to jump in with my 2 (pick your
preferred currency's lowest unit). Nothing to do with your point.

> I know that most of our French users prefer to write and read in
> French.

To what I've heard it's only the establishment (particularly the
government and comedie Francaise - sorry, that should read Academie
...). French people seem to be much more sensible and intelligent.
Other than in Germany ...

> Okay, then repeat this (French) joke, and don't say they (soon we)
> don't have self irony:

> What do you call someone who knows three languages?

> ... a trilingual.

> What do you call someone who knows two languages?

> ... a bilingual.

> What do you call someone who knows one language?

> A Frenchman.

It isn't that bad; good joke often don't fair well by repeating.
Although ...




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Re[2]: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Britt Malka]

Dear Dierk,

Monday, October 21, 2002 at 6:41:37 PM you wrote:

>> With the risk of sounding French ;-> Not all TB users speak English.

DH> With the risk of sounding geeky* - I found that a complete computer
DH> nebwie has much less difficulties in coming to grips with TB1. It's
DH> the semi-computerates that have the most trouble ...

Either you misunderstood my poor English, or I misunderstood you, but
I was talking about this list, not The Bat!

I know that most of our French users prefer to write and read in
French.

DH> Some jokes get only funny with being used over and over again becoming
DH> running gags. the poorer the joke at the beginning the better (minimum
repetition number >> 5).

Okay, then repeat this (French) joke, and don't say they (soon we)
don't have self irony:

What do you call someone who knows three languages?

... a trilingual.

What do you call someone who knows two languages?

... a bilingual.

What do you call someone who knows one language?

A Frenchman.


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Re[2]: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Barry2]

Hello Simon,

Monday, October 21, 2002, 10:49:59 AM, you wrote:

S> Again, Don remarked about search engine indexing, which is one of
S> the points I had in mind. The exposure via search engines can only
S> be beneficial. When someone is looking for a new client what's the
S> betting that they type "email clients" into Google and hit search?
S> If they came across a support board with users' shared experiences
S> and opinions of TB! that could only be a good think, surely?

Agreed here, what is needed is as much exposure as The Bat! can get.
Need to ensure though that the lists continue to function as message
boards don't appeal to everyone too.

S> Of course TB! isn't going to be for everyone, but I still believe
S> that it could find its way onto far more PCs that it is doing just
S> be meeting the folk where they are at :)

I think TB! would be more of a first choice if net users were aware of
it and the security aspects of using the mail dispatcher ... I know
that's what convinced Mary to switch over < lol >

Perversely enough it was the current Bugbear outbreak that prompted the
discussion about alternative e-mail clients :-)

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Britt!

On Monday, October 21, 2002 at 2:28:16 PM you wrote:

> With the risk of sounding French ;-> Not all TB users speak English.

With the risk of sounding geeky* - I found that a complete computer
nebwie has much less difficulties in coming to grips with TB1. It's
the semi-computerates that have the most trouble ...


Some jokes get only funny with being used over and over again becoming
running gags. the poorer the joke at the beginning the better (minimum
repetition number > 5).



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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Don Zeigler]

On 10/21/2002, Anne wrote:

> My feeling is that the high volume of traffic on TBUDL would be an
> excellent reason for having a message board as well. Even though I'm
> really keen to learn more about TB I am still struggling to keep up with
> the message flow - others may not be able to do so and drop off the list.
> A message board will give access on a different sort of level to those
> users who want it. Treat it rather as a drop-in centre rather than a
> full-time hang-out! ;-)


I like message boards because you have a more visual approach to the various
threads going on; I also like them because they remind me of the old BBS
forums. :-)

My copy of phpbb isn't doing much -- I could stick up a TB board and see
what happens. As far as moderation, by their very nature message boards are
rather more freewheeling than a more-ordered mailing list, instead being
much like newsgroups. In that spirit not much moderation would be needed
unless a flame war broke out.

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Language history (was: Regarding Mail Management: Global MailDespatcher)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello mm!

On Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 3:58:31 PM you wrote:

> I understand the differences between Brit and American English was
> deliberate and just post 17th Century. When reading works by 17th
> Century authors, the tones and cadences and meanings (to an American)
> are very familiar.

No wonder, American English just developed after English settler came
to it for the second time (Roanoke didn't have any impact except for a
great mystery). Some scholars think modern AE is "older" than modern
BE, which, they say, developed further as opposed to AE. A point of
view the logic I (as a scholar myself) can't see.



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POP3 error: What's this?!

[Johannes Posel]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Dear TB users,

seems that I always attract server that don't want to play nice with
TB...

Did any one acutally see such an error message before?

 21.10.2002, 17:36:54: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 21.10.2002, 17:36:59: FETCH - connected to POP3 server
!21.10.2002, 17:36:59: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR
server does not support ISOCOR SETBANNER extension

(Server is pop.wanadoo.fr, it's kind of a big player, namely France
Telecom Internet, so I think they know how to operate one)...

Any suggestions welcome!

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Re: bat vs outlook etc.

[Don Zeigler]

On 10/21/2002, Tomasz Nidecki wrote:

> I'd say it'd be very hard for TB to, in any way, compete with OE in
> the 'low-end' target group. Offering a free TB lite version with all
> the features of Outlook and more (so that people are encouraged to
> switch, there has to be an advantage for them in it!) is, as I said,
> very risky - lots of work and lots of risks.

Actually, I didn't mean a free version, just another shareware version with
some of the advanced stuff disabled. Either that, or one client that could
be run in two modes.

Maybe the solution for TB is to branch into a variety of platforms and OSes,
like Opera Software did. The Opera browser for Windoze is their mainstay,
but they've ported it to *nix and other OSes and are now going after the
imbedded market.

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Re: A wish about filtering

[Gerard]

ON Sunday, October 20, 2002, 11:57:02 PM, you wrote:

FPNC> It would be great to be able to have a text file with this format:
FPNC> F [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\Fernando\People\Mario
FPNC> F [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\Fernando\People\Elias
FPNC> T [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\Fernando\Security\MSoft
FPNC> T [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\Fernando\News\NYTimes

Hi Fernando,

Here is a different solution to you  problem. Why not have an address book
entry with the destination folder to place incoming mails for this
address or address (some people use more then one email address)

I hope that you are aware of the fact that TB! has quick filters. If you
go to a folder with multiple emails from different email addresses you
can quickly sort out one email address by clicking on "From" while
holding the ALT-key. You could therefore filter al you friends in one
folder (You can filter on presence in a certain address book to a
specific folder.) and when you need to look up an email from them use
the quick filtering.

I hope I never get so many folders :(


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Re: I'm back from Outlook

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Monday, October 21, 2002, 8:10:54 AM:


John,

Tell me something:

How did you get your addresses and emails over from Outlook?  I have a
client that has been trying but it doesn't seem to work and no one has any
suggestions on how to do it.

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Re: Sending HTML with The Bat!

[James Senick]

Hello Tim,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, at 10:13:32 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:13:32
AM in NY, USA) Tim Musson wrote:

> Could you keep this on the List? I don't want to send HTML mail, but
> would like to know how if I *need* to in the future.

No way, man.  It's mine...j/k

Personally, I have no problem with that.  It's just kind of
lengthy for TBDUL.  I'll make it downloadable / readable from
http://www.rosedreamdesign.com/TBFAQ/TB_HTML.txt

It should be said that I adapted and revised this method from
Marck's FAQ mention of Oleg Zalyalov's original solution.

If anyone has any amendments or fixes to the method, I'd
appreciate it if they'd let me know so I can tighten it up a
bit.

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Re: How do I install the bet "rar" file?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Monday, October 21, 2002, 16:33, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

>> In my 2.7 beta 3 I don't have this sponsor splash

> Maybe they didn't put it in the beta, and just the final release?

Probably, but now I can't get hold of the beta anymore :-/

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Re[2]: bat vs outlook etc.

[Tomasz Nidecki]

Monday, October 21, 2002, 4:05:47 PM, Don wrote:

>> First of all, most computer users (e-mail users) are not advanced, never
>> will be and they don't care about all the great stuff TB offers. So what's
>> most important to them is not the fact, that TB offers support or so many
>> great options, but that Outlook is quite straightforward, easy to set up
>> and use basically from the start. Not that TB is not, I think it is, but
>> why change when you have something that fits you?...

DZ> Another argument for the Bat advanced/"lite" concept, or even an entire
DZ> separate version with most of the advanced features not present.

I'm not so sure.

First of all, the Internet ad market has fallen on its face. It's very
hard to get any revenues for ads. And developing a lite version
probably won't be a "piece of cake", so there has to be some way to
cover the costs. I see no other method except ads.

One might think, that it's an investment, and that more users will
then switch to the full TB version after using TB lite for some time.
I would disagree. Actually I think this might even discourage some
from registering the full version and make the revenues for the TB
full version smaller.

Why do I think so? Well, as I said, most users are just "users" who
don't want full-blown features and the lite version might be all they
need. If the lite version has features that are not comparable to what
Outlook or other free emailers offer, nobody will switch to TB lite.
And if all that the full TB offers are the very advanced options, but
it still supports most basic ones, the same ones that Outlook does,
there'd be no need for most people to buy the full version at all...

So I think it might only be a lot of work and no pay, duh, possibly
even losses. I'd say it's a risk.

I would rather think that developing TB even more as a full-blown
emailer, with features others might only dream of, would be a better
way to keep it alive. This way the developers would be targetting
possibly a smaller community, but a very valuable one, one that will
stick with the program and keep promoting it. Just like it happens
now.

As I've been working for the press for many years, I have some
experience in how important the target is. There are usually two ways:
either offer something better than the competition for a large target
where there are a lot of competitors, or find your niche and explore
it so well, that no competitors have a chance to get into it.

I'd say it'd be very hard for TB to, in any way, compete with OE in
the 'low-end' target group. Offering a free TB lite version with all
the features of Outlook and more (so that people are encouraged to
switch, there has to be an advantage for them in it!) is, as I said,
very risky - lots of work and lots of risks.

Therefore the only logical conclusion is build on what's there already
and expand it. Build on the high-end. And be better in it than anyone
is. It already is the case, but a standstill would not be a good idea,
as someone might come up with something better.

So if I were to suggest something to the developers, I'd say: go for
more features, more options, of the standard TB so it's easier to use
for advanced users. Give them more mechanisms to make their life
easier. It's good to be in the niche, I know, I work in a niche
magazine that is doing better than many mainstream magazines! About
half of magazines and publishers went bankrupt for the last year, and
ours is moving forward. Just because we explored a niche that is not
taken by anyone else (well, there's one competitor, but a very weak
one, they were here earlier but they have no idea about what magazines
are about, what target groups are, and what people need).

-- 
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Re: How do I install the bet "rar" file?

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>> Or UltimateZip if you can live with a small sponsor splash...

> I didn't understand what you meant about small sponsor splash until I
> downloaded the current version.

The version I have (2.7 not sure if it is a beta) pops up with a
splash screen "Sponsored by XT Server Network"... gets rather annoying
which is why I use winzip for everything except rar files ;)

> In my 2.7 beta 3 I don't have this sponsor splash

Maybe they didn't put it in the beta, and just the final release?

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Re: Sending HTML with The Bat!

[Tim Musson]

Hey James,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1) Personal' was used
to write mid:1421054986.20021021100413@;rosedreamdesign.com
on Monday, October 21, 2002 at 10:04:13 AM.

>> Do anybody here have an idea about how to make it work with HTML send
>> with The Bat!?

JS> Yes.  I can send you the instructions off list if you like.

Could you keep this on the List? I don't want to send HTML mail, but
would like to know how if I *need* to in the future.

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Re: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Vishal,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091' was used
to write mid:56183741326.20021021145837@;myrealbox.com
on Monday, October 21, 2002 at 5:58:37 PM.

VN> How can I do this?

When viewing the message in TB, select
Specials\Mailing List\Unsubscribe

VN> The volume of email makes me feel that this is necessary, since
VN> there is no daily digest mode(is there one?

Yes, there is one.

VN> ), nor is there a central bulletin board where I could read the
VN> messages at my convenience.

There is an archive on the web it that would work for you.

See the link in the footer of this message? It is a list of how to do
all that stuff...

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Re: A wish about filtering

[Fernando P. Nájera Cano]

Hello!

> FPNC> It would be great to be able to have a text file with this format:
> FPNC> T [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\Fernando\News\NYTimes

> Here is a different solution to you  problem. Why not have an address book
> entry with the destination folder to place incoming mails for this
> address or address (some people use more then one email address)

Mmm... I've looked at address book and I cannot find anything about
making a connection between an entry and a folder...
Or maybe you meant this:

> quick filters... You could therefore filter al you friends in one
> folder (You can filter on presence in a certain address book to a
> specific folder.) and when you need to look up an email from them use
> the quick filtering.

I could do that but, if you have 20 people in one folder, you must
locate one of the emails of the friend you're looking for, and then
alt-click on the from... I find that it is more comfortable - at
least, for me - to have a lot of folders with each email in its own
place...

BTW, I forgot to mention another line in my config file:
"If I sent anything to [EMAIL PROTECTED] put a copy of the email in
the folder someone."
I mean, "ST [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\Fernando\People\Somebody"

This way you can have the logical threads (you know, I said, you said,
then I said, then you said)... w/o problems...

Of course I could implement it using address book. But using a common
folder for n people is not useful for my mind, and creating a filter
for each address entry is not better than my current solution.

I'm asking for this because I think a file in this format:

* is quite simple to handle,

* it could be shared w/other tools - so, for instance, I can create a
tool to provide a nice GUI to edit/sort/print it

* and it is very simple to update it - easier than the filter screen,
which you cannot resize :( and believe me, with hundreds of filters,
you want them to be sorted in some way - just to check that you
haven't duplicates or missed anyone - and it is very difficult to
achieve this if each filter you add goes to the end, and then you have
to scroll 5-10 times to place each one in their logical group. I know
that, using my system, the place of them is meaningless, but - do you
remember if you have the filter for this or that list?

And lastly, using this system is cleaner for the filter screen: you
have 300+ rules in one filter, and you can focus all your attention in
"special rules" (at least, they seems special for me)...

> I hope I never get so many folders :(

Well, maybe I'm quite strange - sure ;) - but I'm used to this way of
thinking/archiving emails (more than 35,000 and counting up) and I'm
subscribed to more than 100 mail lists, so I have 100 filters to be
set up for sure...

And before you ask: No, I don't read every email I receive. So why do
I want so many messages? CTRL+F ;)

Best regards,

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Re: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Peter N. Spotts]

Vishal,

The only thing I can suggest is to filter the messages into their own
folder and ignore the folder until you get the time to look over the
messages. I also subscribe to the OpenOffice.org user list, and between
TB and OO, I get a couple of hundred pieces of email every two days.
But the mail is filtered, so I can ignore it until I'm ready to deal
with it. By setting TB to display threads,  I can scan the threads to
see if anything crops up that might answer a question I have or might
serve as a useful tip to exploit. Otherwise, I select-all and delete.

The bottom line: How useful is the information to you over the long
term? I've found hidden gems when I've least expected them, and
useful ones when I'm desperate. Others may find these lists less
useful...

Best regards,

Pete

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Re[2]: Getting the TO subject inserted

[Mary Bull]

RW>> ...I copy your macro text but there's no paste
RW>> command when I open the template...I'm doing it via
RW>> "Account/Properties/templates" ...

ACM> Oho, I see what you mean. No menu commands for copy and paste
ACM> operations. Wow! I actually never noticed this and it should really
ACM> be there.
ACM> Try using the keyboard keystroke for pasting, i.e., CTRL-V. And for
ACM> copying, it's CTRL-C.

Oho, that's why I couldn't manage to use all the helpful Macros sent
to me privately and also spotted on the List.

Maybe Marck could put this tip in the "Newbie Zone" for the website,
if he thinks that best. There are a mighty lot of Keys to sort
through, for one used to doing almost everything via the mouse.

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Re: Reply to problem

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:59:40 +0200GMT (21-10-02, 12:59 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

PP> I'm sorry but have to disagree.

Look two messages back in the thread. ;-)
You're reacting on a part of it,

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DEAD HORSE (was Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support)

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Gerard,

@21-Oct-2002, 20:21 +0200 (19:21 UK time) Gerard [G] in
mid:214466762.20021021202123@;myrealbox.com said:

G> Dierk,  I have to agree on the French people part.


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply.

This topic has gone way "off" and I am forced to pronounce it dead.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO
REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT.

Thank you.


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Re: A wish about filtering

[Gerard]

ON Monday, October 21, 2002, 9:13:26 PM, you wrote:

FPNC> Well, maybe I'm quite strange - sure ;) - but I'm used to this way of
FPNC> thinking/archiving emails (more than 35,000 and counting up) and I'm
FPNC> subscribed to more than 100 mail lists, so I have 100 filters to be
FPNC> set up for sure...

FPNC> And before you ask: No, I don't read every email I receive. So why do
FPNC> I want so many messages? CTRL+F ;)

FPNC> Best regards,

FPNC> Fernando Nájera


Fernando,
   I only have about 50 folders for 6 accounts and store about 100K of
   emails in TB!. This represents 6 months of email, you do the math :)
   I use email as a work tool and I read only the subjects on most of
   them.

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Re: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Rico]

> The only thing I can suggest is to filter the messages into their
own
> folder and ignore the folder until you get the time to look over the
> messages.

My only problem with that, is that the bat keeps flying, until
all messages are read.  Thus I have to marl all as read else
I don't know when I have new messages.  I prefer the Outlook
Express method - the envelope icon appears when there are
new messages, but disappears once you have read one of them
(since it's clear you have attended to the new messages, and
will know there are still unread ones, there's no need to keep
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Re: Getting the TO subject inserted

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Hi Mary,

@21-Oct-2002, 15:11 -0500 (21:11 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in
mid:11233829898.20021021151108@;premiernet.net said:

ACM>> Try using the keyboard keystroke for pasting, i.e., CTRL-V.
ACM>> And for copying, it's CTRL-C.

MB> Maybe Marck could put this tip in the "Newbie Zone" for the
MB> website,

I certainly will.

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Re[2]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Peter N. Spotts]

Rico,

Yeah, I have the same mini-gripe. But I usually run TB minimized and
try to ignore the flying beastie. I've been experimenting with a small
POP-account monitor in my task bar to let me know I have mail (it just
changes color; it doesn't flash much). I set the task-bar monitor to
check once a minute, then have TB autocheck about once every 20
minutes to half an hour. That way, if I'm expecting something, I get
an early indication that it's hit my POP account and so I pull up
TB and download it. If I'm not expecting anything, at least I've
reduced the frequency with which I have to bring up TB and mark all as
read. Amazing, isn't it? We can ignore our snail-mail boxes all day
(or at work, much of the day), but we're impelled to respond like
Pavolv's pooch to the flash of an icon. Sigh... ;-)

Best regards,

Pete

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Re[2]: Getting the TO subject inserted

[Mary Bull]

Hi, Marck,

MB>> Maybe Marck could put this tip in the "Newbie Zone" for the
MB>> website,

MDP> I certainly will.

My hero.

Mary



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Re: Getting the TO subject inserted

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Mary,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 at 15:11:08[GMT -0500](which was 21:11 where I
live) you wrote:

MB> There are a mighty lot of Keys to sort through, for one used to
MB> doing almost everything via the mouse.

There certainly are, 4 sides of A4 printed in 10 pt and trimmed as
neatly as possible!

I originally tried to do everything with the keyboard (even though I
normally use the mouse) but have found a combination useful although
the keyboard certainly gets more use.

I'm not far ahead of you in the beginner stakes but I've found that
it's best to hit "Tab" to get into the message pane. Then "CTRL + ]"
for next unread. I then expand the whole thread (I read sorted by
threads) with "CTRL+SHFT and +". Then I can use the spacebar to scroll
through the message and automatically take me to the next unread in
the thread.

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Richard

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Re[3]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Carren Stuart]

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On Tuesday, 22 October 2002 at 11:07 a.m. Peter wrote: 

PNS> Rico,

PNS> Yeah, I have the same mini-gripe. But I usually run TB minimized
PNS> and try to ignore the flying beastie. I've been experimenting
PNS> with a small POP-account monitor in my task bar to let me know I
PNS> have mail (it just changes color; it doesn't flash much).


Just a thought for you guys who don't like the "flying beastie"!
Why don't you just set a sound alert for your different mail accounts?
I never use the mail ticker because it annoys me, but I have a
different sound set for each account (and for some individual
folders). That way I know instantly when I have mail and who it is
from. I guess if you get lots of mail it might be annoying - but it
works fine for me.

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Re: I'm back from Outlook

[~John]

Actually I didn't use Outlook long enough to build up any
folders and contacts. So I just started back with the bat.
Outlook and Outlook Express would crash every time I got
Spam that had a bunch of those weird looking characters in
it.

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~John,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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> Replying to your message of Monday, October 21, 2002, 8:10:54 AM:


> John,

> Tell me something:

> How did you get your addresses and emails over from Outlook?  I have a
> client that has been trying but it doesn't seem to work and no one has any
> suggestions on how to do it.

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Re[4]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Rico Dredd]

CS> Just a thought for you guys who don't like the "flying beastie"!

I do like the flying bat; I just wish he'd stop flapping his wings
when I've read at least one of the new mails (or any unread mails in
my inboxen).

CS> Why don't you just set a sound alert for your different mail accounts?
CS> I never use the mail ticker because it annoys me, but I have a
CS> different sound set for each account (and for some individual
CS> folders). That way I know instantly when I have mail and who it is
CS> from. I guess if you get lots of mail it might be annoying - but it
CS> works fine for me.

I do get lots of mail, and I have it set to check various accounts
every 5 minutes; some of them I might set to poll once a minute.  I
haven't set up a sound because most of the time I have my speakers
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Re[2]: I'm back from Outlook

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Monday, October 21, 2002, 6:45:20 PM:


Rats!  This client is wanting to use TB! but he can't import everything.

Thanks,

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Replys

[Mark Earl]

Hello.  Just wondering about reply text.  When I highlighted part of a
message in Eudora and clicked Reply, only that part highlighted would
be in the reply.  Can I do the same thing with the Bat?

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Re: Replys

[Don Zeigler]

On 10/21/2002, Mark Earl wrote:

> Hello. Just wondering about reply text. When I highlighted part of a
> message in Eudora and clicked Reply, only that part highlighted would be
> in the reply. Can I do the same thing with the Bat?


Hit .

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Re[2]: Getting the TO subject inserted

[Mary Bull]

 Hi, Richard,
 You wrote:

MB>> There are a mighty lot of Keys to sort through...

RW> There certainly are, 4 sides of A4 printed in 10 pt and trimmed as
RW> neatly as possible! ...

Tell me about it. 

RW> ... I've found that
RW> it's best to hit "Tab" to get into the message pane. Then "CTRL + ]"
RW> for next unread. I then expand the whole thread (I read sorted by
RW> threads) with "CTRL+SHFT and +". Then I can use the spacebar to scroll
RW> through the message and automatically take me to the next unread in
RW> the thread.

Thanks.

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Re: Replys

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Mark,

@21-Oct-2002, 19:23 -0400 (00:23 UK time) Mark Earl [ME] in
mid:199261706964.20021021192341@;encode.com said:

ME> Hello.  Just wondering about reply text.  When I highlighted
ME> part of a message in Eudora and clicked Reply, only that part
ME> highlighted would be in the reply.  Can I do the same thing with
ME> the Bat?

Yes. This is tied to the F4 keystroke "Reply with selected text".

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Re: Replys

[Gary]

Hi Mark,

On Monday, October 21, 2002, 6:23 PM, you put forth, in part, about "Replys":

M> highlighted part of a message in Eudora and clicked Reply, only that
M> part highlighted would be in the reply.  Can I do the same thing

Yep, highlight text, and hit F4, just like I did here with your test.

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Re[3]: Removing top posting--how?

[Mary Bull]

Walt wrote:

WN>> Hello Mary

Walt, I didn't check the "To:" field when I replied to your Post to me
on the List, and ended up accidentally sending the Reply to you
privately. I really did want to tell the List I am friends with
everyone on it, and thank them all for their welcome and support.
Didn't know how to manage the re-send, after I figured out what I'd
done, so I set it up again in Reply.

Below is the answer I sent you:

MB>  Hi, Walt,
 
WN>> Re your message: Removing top posting--how?

WN>> On Friday, October 18, 2002 at 21:21:41, Mary Bull said, more or less, the 
following:

MB>>> ...I am a true newbie...

WN>> ... Try not to let them offend you too much. ...

MB> The moderator and I have made friends. No sense in "throwing out the
MB> baby with the bath water." (American idiom.) It was just a matter of
MB> clashing communication styles, and I understand the "moderators are in
MB> the process of moderating" the Macros (or to use an old newspaper
MB> term, boilerplate) so they will have less chance of someone else
MB> mis-perceiving the intent, as I did, when I arrived for the first time
MB> on the List. Thanks for sending me so much support.

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Re[2]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Michael Thompson]

Hello Rico,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, at 22:40:12 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:40 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:

R> My only problem with that, is that the bat keeps flying, until
R> all messages are read.

I agree with this point. Maybe an option to enable disable this
feature in the next version?


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Re: Replys

[Dave Goodman]

Mark Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I highlighted part of a message in Eudora and clicked Reply,
> only that part highlighted would be in the reply. Can I do the same
> thing with the Bat?

As an alternative to the F4 that others have sugggested, just hold
down the shift key while you click on the reply icon.  Only the
selected text will be quoted.

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Re: Flying Bats in the face. Was: unsubscribing from this list?alternatives?

[Nick Danger]

Reply to message sent 10/21/2002, @ 11:40:17 (5:40 PM Locally)
~~~

Peter quipped:
PNS>> Yeah, I have the same mini-gripe. But I usually run TB minimized
PNS>> and try to ignore the flying beastie. I've been experimenting
PNS>> with a small POP-account monitor in my task bar to let me know I
PNS>> have mail (it just changes color; it doesn't flash much).

Carren suggested:
> Just a thought for you guys who don't like the "flying beastie"!
> Why don't you just set a sound alert for your different mail accounts?

Nick added: I think I've mentioned this before, but another solution
and one that I swear by is using good ol' PowerPro. I have different
"flags" programmed in PowerPro that are called from various folders in
TB!. I use different colored flags for each folder and make the flags
small, I use 5 pixel squares. When mail drops in those folders the
flag appears in the upper left side of the screen, of course you can
put them anywhere. I program the flags so that with a right click they
reset and take me to the virtual desktop where I keep TB! opened. A
left click and they just disappear - in other words, don't bother me
now I'll check it out later. But if still more mail comes in the
appropriate flag will pop back on.

Very obscure, yet informative.

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Re: I'm back from Outlook

[Chris Montgomery]

Monday, October 21, 2002, 6:09:03 PM, Pete Milne wrote:

PM> Rats!  This client is wanting to use TB! but he can't import everything.

Getting my Outlook messages into TB was pretty easy, but getting the Outlook
contacts gave me fits for awhile, too, until another user posted this
awhile back:

Friday, July 5, 2002, 5:27:43 AM, Emanuele Cazzola wrote:

EC> Christopher Taylor-Davies, venerdì 5 luglio 2002 alle 11.15.06 ha scritto:

EC> There is another simple method to import all Outlook AB:
EC>  - Select all contact in Outlook AB;
EC>  - Drug & Drop them from Outlook AB into an empty temporary folder.
EC>  - (So all vCard are created)
EC>  - Select all vCard into the temporary folder
EC>  - Drug & Drop them from the temporary folder to TB AB.
EC>  - And continue to work more happy!

It worked great for me. Cheers.

Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com 

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Re[4]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Vishal Nakra]

Monday, October 21, 2002, 3:40:17 PM, you wrote:

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CS> On Tuesday, 22 October 2002 at 11:07 a.m. Peter wrote: 

PNS>> Rico,

PNS>> Yeah, I have the same mini-gripe. But I usually run TB minimized
PNS>> and try to ignore the flying beastie. I've been experimenting
PNS>> with a small POP-account monitor in my task bar to let me know I
PNS>> have mail (it just changes color; it doesn't flash much).


CS> Just a thought for you guys who don't like the "flying beastie"!
CS> Why don't you just set a sound alert for your different mail accounts?
CS> I never use the mail ticker because it annoys me, but I have a
CS> different sound set for each account (and for some individual
CS> folders). That way I know instantly when I have mail and who it is
CS> from. I guess if you get lots of mail it might be annoying - but it
CS> works fine for me.

Yes, that's what I ended up doing too. Now I can tell which emails I
should look at as soon as I can, and which ones(like mailing lists) I
can ignore for a bit. The mail ticker is something I haven't been able
to see any use for either.

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Is this normal?

[Venu]

Hi tbudl,
I do not have much of mail in my accounts. Yet, when I see the
amount of disk space The Bat occupies,it takes up 250MB.
Checking the Mail folder of all the individual accounts, I find
that it simply cannot add up.
I am nowhere near people on this list who have 35000 messages.
Is there a simple explanation or am I being dense?
(I recently copied, not backed up my old Bat directory to the new one
when I moved from Win2K to XP)

  

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Re: Is this normal?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Venu,

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 at 07:12:12[GMT +0530](which was 02:42 where I
live) you wrote:

V> I do not have much of mail in my accounts. Yet, when I see the
V> amount of disk space The Bat occupies,it takes up 250MB.
V> Checking the Mail folder of all the individual accounts, I find
V> that it simply cannot add up.

Have you done a compress of your folders? I think that might help.
"Account/Properties/Options"

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Re[2]: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Anne]

Monday, October 21, 2002, 5:17:14 PM, Don wrote in message
mid:51152056956.20021021121714@;donzeigler.com


DZ> My copy of phpbb isn't doing much -- I could stick up a TB board and see
DZ> what happens. As far as moderation, by their very nature message boards are
DZ> rather more freewheeling than a more-ordered mailing list, instead being
DZ> much like newsgroups. In that spirit not much moderation would be needed
DZ> unless a flame war broke out.


I vote yes for that Don - maybe it'd be an idea to re-post it as a
suggestion in a new thread tho' in case others have missed it tucked
away down in this one?

I still think some form of moderation is needed - just so that users
know who to go to in case of problems etc. although I agree they don't
need to be as kept as tightly on the reins as do mailing lists ;-)

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Re: Is this normal?

[Barry2]

Hello Venu,

Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 2:42:12 AM, you wrote:

V> Hi tbudl,
V> I do not have much of mail in my accounts. Yet, when I see the
V> amount of disk space The Bat occupies,it takes up 250MB.
V> Checking the Mail folder of all the individual accounts, I find
V> that it simply cannot add up.
V> I am nowhere near people on this list who have 35000 messages.
V> Is there a simple explanation or am I being dense?
V> (I recently copied, not backed up my old Bat directory to the new one
V> when I moved from Win2K to XP)

The total size of my TB! folder is 192Mb with 184Mb being in the Mail
sub-folder, which seems about right at only 8Mb for the program.
( Approx 28,000 posts )

Try doing a 'compress all folders' as Richard says and see what
difference it makes.

NB - if you store attachments with mails then these will swell the
size of TB! folder.

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Error in TB help file?

[Anne]

Having now filtered all TBUDL messages into their own folder and set
the view option to view threads by references and display only unread
messages, I wanted to be able to open all threads at the same time so
I can work my way down them.

After looking at TB help file I found this entry under Threading:

"To open all threads in a folder message list press ."

This I tried and it didn't work. After some fiddling we found that the
command for opening all threads is , whilst 
closes all threads.

Is it possible to get this corrected in TB help file?

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Re[3]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Barry2]

Hello Michael,

Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 12:32:04 AM, you wrote:

MT> Hello Rico,

MT> On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, at 22:40:12 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:40 in my
MT> TimeZone) you wrote:

R>> My only problem with that, is that the bat keeps flying, until
R>> all messages are read.

MT> I agree with this point. Maybe an option to enable disable this
MT> feature in the next version?

Already available under Options / Preferences / General - the box
labelled [ icon animation  ] un-check this and the bat's wings
will be forever stilled :-)

HTH

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Don't align to subject

[~John]

When I view my messages in 'thebat' as I click on one
message, they all automatically align to the "Subject"
column. When I does this then I can't see who the message is
from, or if it has been replied too.
Here is two pictures of what I'm talking about.
the first, is what my messages normally look like before I
click on one of them.
http://legacy.sheltonbbs.com/~jmmorse/first.gif

the Second is what happens as soon as I click a message to
view it... notice that the message is moved over and aligned
with the subject.
http://legacy.sheltonbbs.com/~jmmorse/second.gif

How can I prevent this from happening?

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Re[3]: Getting the TO subject inserted

[Anne]

Monday, October 21, 2002, 9:11:08 PM, Mary wrote in message
mid:11233829898.20021021151108@;premiernet.net


MB> --
MB> Mary, recruited by Barry2 and Anne to The Bat!, for its Mail
MB> Dispatcher safety  :)


 Mary I can see you're *really* getting the hang of TB now!!!

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Splash Screen?

[~John]

Is there a way to prevent the "Splash Screen" from displaying when
opening "theBat" ?
If there are no settings for this, does anyone have a Hack
for this?


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Re: Don't align to subject

[Allie C Martin]

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~john [j] wrote:'

j> When I view my messages in 'thebat' as I click on one message,
j> they all automatically align to the "Subject" column. When I does
j> this then I can't see who the message is from, or if it has been
j> replied too. Here is two pictures of what I'm talking about.

...

j> How can I prevent this from happening?

If your message list pane isn't wide enough to display all the
columns then this can happen if you click on a column to the right.
The whole list will scroll to the right. Does it happen when you
click only in the 'From' column area?

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Re: Splash Screen?

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~john [j] wrote:'

j> Is there a way to prevent the "Splash Screen" from displaying
j> when opening "theBat" ? If there are no settings for this, does
j> anyone have a Hack for this?

No hack required. Just open your TB! shortcuts properties. In the
target field where the path to the executable is. Add the parameter
/NOLOGO.

Your target info will look like this:

"c:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /NOLOGO

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 10/21/2002, 7:35 PM

Hi Steve,
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, at 20:22:17 [GMT +1000] (which was 3:22 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support'

SM> The biggest problem, IMO, is that the help file is inadequate. I know
SM> several friends who could benefit from The Bat but there's no way I'd
SM> recommend it without a vastly improved help file. I'll recommend TB!
SM> to friends with a good level of computer competency but to the average
SM> home user  no way !

I can't stay quiet any longer. At work we use Lotus Notes, (No
Choice). I recommended The Bat! to a co-worker for home use. This Lady
is a total computer illiterate. She downloaded The Bat!, installed and
was up and sending messages within 45 minutes. She does not use all
the features because she has no need. I've found this program to be
one of the easiest to get people started. She now is pushing our
company to take a look at The Bat! to replace Notes.

SM> I'll risk my neck here by suggesting that ALL further development on
SM> TB! is halted until the help file covers ALL features, has a good
SM> index and search facility, and is properly linked to the program so
SM> that if hit F1 I get help on whatever area of the program I am in.

Sounds like you want to convert The Bat! to a committee project.
Nothing gets done without committee approval.

The lists related to The Bat! are amazing, every two or three months
someone gets an ingrown hair in an uncomfortable place and wants to
start a news group, or a web based forum. Sometimes they are new to
the list, sometimes not. I say, if someone wants to start a news
group, go ahead, anyone can do it.

Personally, I only use news groups for antique cars and porn. ;)
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Re[2]: Flying Bats in the face.

[Joseph N.]

   On Monday, October 21, 2002, Nick Danger wrote in
:

ND> I have different "flags" programmed in PowerPro that are called
ND> from various folders in TB!.

Nick,

That is an exceedingly cool way to go

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Don Zeigler]

On 10/21/2002, Paul Wilson wrote:

> The lists related to The Bat! are amazing, every two or three months
> someone gets an ingrown hair in an uncomfortable place and wants to
> start a news group, or a web based forum. Sometimes they are new to
> the list, sometimes not. I say, if someone wants to start a news
> group, go ahead, anyone can do it.

I suggested the forum this last time, and I've been a subscriber to the list
off and on for about two years, mostly in lurk mode. It's not about an
ingrown hair, it's about the best means to spread the word about a rather
amazing email client that no one's ever heard of. Online forums have really
taken off in popularity as the software has advanced so much in the last few
years. A board running Invision or PHPBB is quite an elegant communications
system, and a lot of people participate.

I plan on posting the suggestion again in a separate thread in order to get
some feedback.

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Re[2]: Splash Screen?

[Anne]

Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 3:40:59 AM, Allie wrote in message
mid:170190284254.20021021214059@;landscreek.net

ACM> No hack required. Just open your TB! shortcuts properties. In the
ACM> target field where the path to the executable is. Add the parameter
ACM> /NOLOGO.

ACM> Your target info will look like this:

ACM> "c:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /NOLOGO


This works if you use the standard Windows shortcuts to launch TB but
it doesn't if - like me - you use a keyboard with MS Intellitype
Software enabled hotkeys. The mail key launches TB but if I try and
add the parameter above to the path in setting up the hotkey it states
invalid path and won't accept it.  Is there a way of getting round
this - apart from not using the mail key which I won't not do - does
anyone know?  (Note: the hotkey setup doesn't use the "quotes" around
the path as does the Windows shortcut).

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Re: Splash Screen?

[Allie C Martin]

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Anne [A] wrote:'

A> This works if you use the standard Windows shortcuts to launch TB
A> but it doesn't if - like me - you use a keyboard with MS
A> Intellitype Software enabled hotkeys. The mail key launches TB
A> but if I try and add the parameter above to the path in setting
A> up the hotkey it states invalid path and won't accept it. Is
A> there a way of getting round this - apart from not using the mail
A> key which I won't not do - does anyone know? (Note: the hotkey
A> setup doesn't use the "quotes" around the path as does the
A> Windows shortcut).

I see what you mean. I just checked this on my server that has that
type of software for it's keyboard. Looks like a limitation in the
driver software.

I think your stuck at a crossroads. Either enjoy the logo and the
keyboard hotkey, or switch to another method for launching TB!.

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Re: Splash Screen?

[James Senick]

Hello Anne,

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, at 04:28:20 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:28:20
PM in NY, USA) Anne wrote:

> Is there a way of getting round this - apart from not using
> the mail key which I won't not do - does anyone know?

Create a shortcut to the shortcut with the NOLOGO switch?

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Re: Splash Screen?

[Allie C Martin]

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James Senick [JS] wrote:'

>> Is there a way of getting round this - apart from not using
>> the mail key which I won't not do - does anyone know?

JS> Create a shortcut to the shortcut with the NOLOGO switch?

Now why didn't I think of that??? :))

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[jwayne]

SM>> The biggest problem, IMO, is that the help file is inadequate. I know
SM>> several friends who could benefit from The Bat but there's no way I'd
SM>> recommend it without a vastly improved help file. I'll recommend TB!
SM>> to friends with a good level of computer competency but to the average
SM>> home user  no way !

Inadequate? You're too kind. It is - IMNSHO - the most unprofessional aspect of
TB.  One of many examples: from the main menu, Options | Preferences, then Help.
"The topic does not exist". DOES NOT EXIST?? On a preferences panel?!  Now do
Options | Editor Preferences, then Help. Hello?? That's help??

PW> I can't stay quiet any longer. At work we use Lotus Notes, (No
PW> Choice). I recommended The Bat! to a co-worker for home use. This Lady
PW> is a total computer illiterate. She downloaded The Bat!, installed and
PW> was up and sending messages within 45 minutes. She does not use all
PW> the features because she has no need. I've found this program to be
PW> one of the easiest to get people started. She now is pushing our
PW> company to take a look at The Bat! to replace Notes.

Apples and oranges. Notes is complete overkill if it is used for email only. But
even so, Notes is appropriate as an enterprise email system for a large number
of users. No way that you'd use TB for this. A few of many examples: Forget your
TB password? Fergit it! Need support? Sorry, a mailing list alone doesn't cut it
for most companies. Centralized backup? Where are you going to centralize the
message base in a secure manner? (And this is coming from someone what has
Notes for 12 years and hates it as an email system!)

"She now is pushing our company to take a look at The Bat! to replace Notes."
A perfect example why "computer illiterates" shouldn't make technical
recommendations...

jon
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 jwayne  
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Flying Bat (was: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Barry2,

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:15:26 +0100 GMT (22/10/02, 09:15 +0700 GMT),
Barry2 wrote:

MT>> I agree with this point. Maybe an option to enable disable this
MT>> feature in the next version?

> Already available under Options / Preferences / General - the box
> labelled [ icon animation  ] un-check this and the bat's wings
> will be forever stilled :-)

A per-folder setting would be nice though...

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.

I intend to live forever - so far, so good.

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Re: Is this normal?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:48:26 +0100 GMT (22/10/02, 08:48 +0700 GMT),
Richard Wakeford wrote:

V>> I do not have much of mail in my accounts. Yet, when I see the
V>> amount of disk space The Bat occupies,it takes up 250MB.
V>> Checking the Mail folder of all the individual accounts, I find
V>> that it simply cannot add up.

> Have you done a compress of your folders? I think that might help.
> "Account/Properties/Options"

There you can set TB to always compress on exit. I don't do that; I
compress manually:

Folders / Purge & Compress (for the active folder)
Folders / Compress all folders (purges & compresses all folders across
all accounts)

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.

Eine kinderlose Ehe besteht aus Spassvoegeln.

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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Don,

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:12:31 -0400 GMT (22/10/02, 10:12 +0700 GMT),
Don Zeigler wrote:

> I suggested the forum this last time, and I've been a subscriber to the list
> off and on for about two years, mostly in lurk mode. It's not about an
> ingrown hair, it's about the best means to spread the word about a rather
> amazing email client that no one's ever heard of. Online forums have really
> taken off in popularity as the software has advanced so much in the last few
> years. A board running Invision or PHPBB is quite an elegant communications
> system, and a lot of people participate.

I wouldn't have anything against it. As far as German lists are
concerned, there are, in addition to the mailing lists, also a
newsgroup and a web-based board. I don't read either of those, for I
prefer to talk about a mail client by email, but if someone wants to
create and maintain them, and there is enough demand that people
participate, why not?

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.

"Deine Stereoanlage hat aber viele Knoepfe!" - "Na, ja, mit
Reissverschluss saehe sie ja auch ziemlich bloed aus."

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Re[4]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?

[Michael Thompson]

Hello Barry2,

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, at 03:15:26 [GMT +0100] (which was 03:15 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




B> Hello Michael,

B> Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 12:32:04 AM, you wrote:

MT>> Hello Rico,

MT>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, at 22:40:12 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:40 in my
MT>> TimeZone) you wrote:

R>>> My only problem with that, is that the bat keeps flying, until
R>>> all messages are read.

MT>> I agree with this point. Maybe an option to enable disable this
MT>> feature in the next version?

B> Already available under Options / Preferences / General - the box
B> labelled [ icon animation  ] un-check this and the bat's wings
B> will be forever stilled :-)

I am aware of this, what I mean tis to flap the wings when there is
unread mail, or unread mail for that session only.

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 Michael

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Killing other subject prefixes than "Re:"

[Vincent - D. Ertner]

Hi Co-Batties,

did anyone already "develop" a nice macro to kill that outlook
and notes stuff added to the subject line?

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Vince

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No attachment for cc'ed email address

[Gerard]

Hi Bat Users,

The subject might be a bit cryptic but this is the case.
I sent emails for my company and someone needs to be cc'ed on some of
these mails but doesn't want to receive any attachements.

I would like, if possible, to automate this process to prevent
forgetting it every now and then. Problem is I do not have a clue if
this is possible or how to achieve this.

Does anyone have any suggestion to try?

-- 
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 Gerard  
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