Re: The Bat process keeps running after app is closed
On 12/31/2013 02:00 AM, Achdut18 wrote: Bottom line question, though, is, why would a process be running for The Bat after having closed the application? I too would like to know. I've had to abandon TB! a few months ago with the death of WinXP and am now struggling to try to make ThunderBird resemble the functionality that TB! gave me for years, but I ran into that extreme CPU usage long after apparently closing the program, almost every time I had to shut it down. I finally learned to monitor disk usage as well as that of the CPU, and force an 'End process once the disk had been idle for at least 30 seconds, but it was a nuisance every time. -- Jim Kyle Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: data files on computer B but working directory on computer A?
On 04/27/2014 11:34 AM, Achdut18 wrote: Would this have been done automatically just by changing the location in Options/Preferences/System?And, if so, does that MOVE the files from A to B or does it just COPY them from A to B? I believe it would have, with no change to individual account properties required. I know that would have been the case on the version 4 that I've been using. To MOVE the folders, you should have used cut rather than copy. However, I prefer to use copy myself in such critical situations, and wait to remove the no-longer-needed data until I've confirmed that everything still works. -- Jim Kyle Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat process keeps running after app is closed
Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 3:00:34 AM, you wrote: Bottom line question, though, is, why would a process be running for The Bat after having closed the application? I have the same thing happening fairly often, although I'm running a much older version (but also on XP SP3). If I just go away and let it run, it usually does finish eventually but it may take half an hour or more. If I'm impatient, I force it closed -- and so far have not seen any serious permanent damage to my files, although the display layout tends to change if I do this. My best guess, and it IS just a guess, is that TB is doing some cleanup housekeeping, since I do have a number of cleanup on exit options checked. It doesn't bother me frequently, since I leave TB running in a virtual machine on a Linux host 24/7 and only close it down to reboot after updates to either the guest (no more after today!) or the host. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in wrong outbox
Thursday, March 20, 2014, 5:54:01 AM, you wrote: When I reply and select the personality I actually want to use for sending my reply from, queuing the message does not put it into the outbox for the personality I selected (but does show that personality in the from line), so the send fails. Is this normal? Have I missed a setting somewhere? I, roo, filter most messages using Common Folders, and my replies used to be rejected by some servers because they were sent from the wrong account. I never thought of moving from one outbox to another, however. Someone on this list told me about the Account macro that can be used in the templates for each folder, and presumably for each personality although I've never set up multiple personalities, just multiple accounts. It can also be used in the templates of address book entries, including groups. This makes account selection completely automatic, with no need for me to keep track of any of these details. This may work for you also. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network
Sunday, February 9, 2014, 6:14:51 PM, you wrote: Jack, thank you very much! I don't know if this will work, but is certainly worth a try. Does this only work if both machines are running on the same network, or, do they just need to be able to access the Internet? Since their home page is clear that the program syncs things via The Cloud, it would require all machines involved to connect via the internet, which might (let me emphasize MIGHT) be a security risk. For more than seven years now, I've run my copy of The Bat! in a way that allows me to access it from any workstation on my home-office LAN; that's by running it in a virtual machine using Oracle's VirtualBox virtualization program, and accessing it via the Remote Desktop protocol. Only machines on my local network can access it. This means I have only one copy of TB! and it is running 24/7, checking for new mail every 7 minutes. My solution might not be acceptable in your case, since if one of you were actually using TB! at any given instant, the other would not be able to connect until the first person hung up the RDP connection. (It's possible to configure RDP to allow multiple connections, but would be best to leave it at the default single-connect-only setting because two people trying to type at once would simply create a mess). Several years ago, I used an open-source program similar to PC Anywhere, called UltraVNC, that allowed my customers to connect to my system over the internet, with the connection encrypted with a key known only to me and built into the UltraVNC client I made available to the customers. This gave me full access to their system but under their control. If it's still around, you could use this to allow each laptop to connect to the desktop via UltraVNC, from anywhere at all, but again it would be single-user at a time. Just a couple of thoughts for alternate solutions... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: That Spell Checker
Wednesday, January 8, 2014, 5:06:11 PM, you wrote: My guess would be it doesn't matter too much, unless something relevant to this function changed between those version numbers. There would be some logic in picking the number closest to your TB! version, as there were less releases in between where things may have been changed. Or try both.. Thanks for the help! I did some more searching on the drive that holds TB; it's not the system drive itself but another, larger one. I found a couple of copies of the whole TB directory, stemming from long-ago disasters, and one of them held three *.TLX files. One of them was the AM version; the others are named ACCENT.TLX and CORRECT.TLX. Apparently the last time I installed TB, some 5 or 6 years ago, I somehow failed to get the spell checker fully functional although enough of it did get in to provide me the squiggly red line beneath unrecognized words. I copied all three over to the active directory where the international pack had put all the others, re-started TB, and everything now seems to work properly or at least as I would expect. I can add words, both as words to be accepted and as words to be corrected, and they persist from day to day. The only question I have left involves the format of TLX files; I'd like to find a help file or article that exposes their details. They appear to be plain text, one word to a line, and entries in the WinXP registry tell TB which of them to use -- but they have a few mysteries, and I always want to know what goes on behind the curtain (as in Undocumented DOS, a book I co-authored some 23 years ago). I'm also curious about the ACCENT.TLX file and why it's different from the language-specific ones... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: That Spell Checker
Tuesday, January 7, 2014, 7:16:34 PM, you wrote: Maybe you have TB! Home and don't currently have the International Pack installed? Correct! I've now downloaded both those. Do I just run the installer Since my TB is 4.2.36, I presume I should install the 4.0 version rather than 4.2.28. Right? -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: That Spell Checker
Tuesday, January 7, 2014, 7:16:34 PM, you wrote: Maybe you have TB! Home and don't currently have the International Pack installed? I've now installed the 4.0 international pack, and have both British and American checked on the Languages dialog -- but still no American English dictionary shows up. Apparently having British checked overrides it. Any suggestion for being able to add words to the American English dictionary? -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: That Spell Checker
Thursday, December 19, 2013, 1:30:42 PM, you wrote: is yours SSCE or hunspell? I have a similar question about spell checking, but as you can see by mysig I'm on a much older version of TB. My spell checking options don't list ANY dictionary at all, and attempting to add a word has absolutely no effect. I do have import and export buttons, and my TB program directory includes a hunspell.dll but I don't see any references in the option menus. My question is how to update my dictionary, or possibly install an alternate such as hunspell's en-us.zip package, on such an old copy of TB. TB has evolved in a direction that seems of no use for my needs, which is why I'm still on such an old package. The spell checker is the only wart on it, for my uses, and it's not bad enough to cause me to change (which would be going completely away, if I did, and I'm unwilling to abandon the great filtering capability of TB!)... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat process continues to run after app is closed, sometimes
Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 11:47:46 AM, you wrote: I can confirm that although it has been better in the more recent versions of v6 I see it happening every time I have to reboot to finish updating Windows. I simply watch the task manager, and when the system has finished its disk accessing and been quiet for a full minute, then hit end task or in some cases the reset button to complete the reboot. Note that I'm still back on version 4.2; obviously this situation has been around for a very long time. I suspect that the process is continuing to update The Bat! files although the user interface part of the program has finished. On the few occasions that I forced it to end before disk activities had completely stopped, I found that TB's interface didn't look the same as it had before the reboot -- although I never lost any data. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Thursday, August 8, 2013, 8:43:38 AM, you wrote: Is there something I can try or do I have to resort to a backup which may or may not be corrupted as well? Since it doesn't appear with all messages, but only for those earler than August 3, I'd suspect that the problem is a corrupted message received on August 3. Open the Connection Center for her account and dispatch all messages on server with it, then delete the last August 3 message and see if that stops the message. If it does not, repeat until the message goes away. I've had similar problems with corrupt messages at the server end, and once the bad message is located and deleted, all works well again. If she downloads the messages to local storage and deletes them from the server, then of course this won't work and the message would indicate corruption in the local folder. In that case, restoring from a backup would be the only feasible solution. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
Wednesday, July 24, 2013, 6:48:45 AM, you wrote: Imagine reading a joke like that: ,--/ Top posted joke \-- Terrible How does it smell? My dog has no nose `--\ End /-- I suggest that you add these few lines to the standard mod message about top posting, because they form a memorable instant illustration of its problems. It might also help to include at least a brief description of how to create a reply template for the forum that will cause even a quick reply to format properly according to forum rules. As this exchange shows, not everyone who posts is familiar with the way the forum operates... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.16 under Xubuntu 12.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Addressbook entry issues
Sunday, May 19, 2013, 6:23:52 PM, you wrote: How can I add an entry and have it in the group I want and not duplicated in the addressbook root? I don't think that is possible; the group is simply a subset of the addressbook root entries. This architecture makes it possible for a single entry to belong to multiple groups, without duplicating the entry again for each group. You could achieve the same effect by creating a group named Others and then adding every entry that's not a member of any other group to this one. That would let you totally ignore the root, and search only the desired group to locate an entry... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply, address history and the address book
Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 9:50:07 AM, you wrote: I could not find it in Full alphabetic list of macros that are part of the Help Manual. I found it near the front of the alphabetic list, but it's listed as ABnnnPPP with two lists of constants to replace the nnn and PPP placeholders. However as you can see in my sig I'm using a very old version of TB and the current help files may be a bit different... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply, address history and the address book
Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:34:22 AM, you wrote: Would it be a lot of bother for you to copy the ABnnnPPP section from your helpfile and pass it along to me? Now that I am using this obsolete-but-still-supported Macro, it will be helpful to know about these two constants. Here it is: ABnnnPPPInserts a field from the address book. nnn determines the address used, PPP is the address book field to be used. Values for nnn: TO Address Book entry for the TO header (current message) FROMAddress Book entry for the FROM header (current message) REPLYAddress Book entry for the REPLY-TO header (current message) OTOAddress Book entry for the TO header (original message) OFROM Address Book entry for the FROM header (original message) OREPLY Address Book entry for the REPLY-TO header (original message) Values for PPP: Namefull name FirstName first name LastName last name MiddleName middle name Handle handle NamePrefix name prefix NameSuffix name suffix Birthday date of birth e-mail primary e-mail address Addrprivate street address City private city name State private state/province ZIP private ZIP/Postal code Country private country Phone private phone number Fax private fax number Mobilemobile phone number Page private homepage URL Company company name Job job title Dept department name Officeoffice number BusAddr business street address BusCity business city name BusState business state/province BusZIPbusiness ZIP/Postal code BusCountry business country BusPhonebusiness phone number BusFaxbusiness fax number BusPager business pager number BusPage business homepage URL Genderperson's gender Charset character set (for this Address Book entry) MemoMemo contents Note: You can set a parameter to insert if no corresponding value for the field you defined is found. The parameter can be another macro, like %TONAME. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply, address history and the address book
Monday, March 18, 2013, 8:41:50 PM, you wrote: I am using %TOFNAME. Is that the correct macro? Probably not, if I understand what you want to do. TOFNAME will use the first name of the first entry of the TO field, and if one addressee has various ways of entering his address (so that your reply's TO field will not be consistent) then the result will not be consistent either. Have you tried ABTOFirstName instead? I've not used it, but according to the help file in my very old version of TB it ought to do what you're after... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First line indentation
Thursday, November 8, 2012, 1:00:54 PM, you wrote: I don't mind having everything default to HTML, I just have to remember to change it to plain text whenever I write to this list. Or you could do what I did: create a separate account for just the list, with its own special options, but connecting to the same servers as my normal account. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual Folders
Sunday, October 21, 2012, 11:46:17 PM, you wrote: I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how virtual folders work in The Bat. I'll start by saying that all of this reply deals only with POP3 access to the server; I do not use IMAP at all. I want my messages stored only on my local machines, not retained on a server outside my control -- and I do use a gmail account, configured to download via POP3 at regular intervals. I have three virtual folders: unread, flagged, and parked, in addition to five account folders and almost 200 common folders that form a filing system for my messages. The five accounts connect to three actual mail servers: one from my ISP, one from my web presence provider, and one from gmail. The other accounts allow for different formatting of outgoing messages. All except for the ISP account are checked for incoming mail at intervals ranging from 5 to 10 minutes, staggered to minimize the number of times more than one is being checked at the same time. The common folders form a tree with a small number of general categories at the top, more specific categories in some of those, and specific correspondents at the lowest level. When incoming messages arrive, the Sorting Office in TB! moves all that it can recognize to the appropriate common folder. At the same time, the unread virtual folder collects the address of each new message within the tree of common folders. Those not recognized by the Sorting Office remain in the inbox of the appropriate account so that I can move them manually, and they too appear in the unread virtual folder, which is the only one I display in the message list (selected by tabs at the bottom of the message list pane). I also use the sound properties of each account folder and some common folders to help me identify the sources of messages that are of most interest to me. Once the accounts are set up, all this is automatic, and it's why I continue to use TB! even though I have to do so in a virtual machine since I no longer boot directly into Windows. When I create a new common folder, there's an area in its property pages to select which virtual folders watch it. If I create another virtual folder, its properties include filter criteria and a list of actual folders that it will watch. My Sorting Office filters always just direct messages to one of the common folders. And after these initial setup steps, TB! does the rest automagically. Hope this helps! The best way to learn, though, is to try it for yourself and experiment a bit. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically selecting HTML or Text for replies
Thursday, October 4, 2012, 6:46:42 AM, you wrote:
I would like to automate this in my templates depending if I am replying
to a plain text or HTML message. I have looked and looked at the
complete list of macros included in Help (probably not up of to date)
and I have not found any way of detecting the format of the original
message I am replying to. Is there such a possibility?
How about using the Sorting Office to put a flag into the Memo field for
incoming messages, then in the reply template looking for that flag and
setting the editor to use accordingly?
Here's a test filter that I created, using an incoming message that I knew
to have an HTML version:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [1F1F302F.01CDA2F8.0A0E2EBE.705965BA]
Name: TagHTML
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`6`0`html\0D\0A}
SetMemo Text IS_HTML
IsContinue
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
That's in Common Filters, Read messages for testing, but could be put as
the very first filter in the Incoming group. Then in your reply template,
use the macro to test the Memo field for IS_HTML and that should do it...
Of course, if you already use the Memo field for something else this would
not work. I don't use it at all here, so it's just another feature being
ignored...
Something similar might be possible using Groups or Colors, also.
--
Best regards,
Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com
Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with
AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5
Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Sunday, July 1, 2012, 10:19:26 AM, you wrote: I'm not convinced it *really* is more convoluted to copy/paste across your LAN than to run a Windows email client in a virtual machine on a Linux box. (-; Put that way, you're right. However I set up Tbird initially to follow one semi-private newsgroup I've been with for many years, so it's just there. I then configured its mail accounts so that it would be available as a temporary backup in case of any problems with the VM rig, so it's a case of using what's in place instead of setting up still more tools... With at least two cores and 2 GB of RAM, the VM is as snappy as my older native installs of WinXP. Actually, the box running TB! is a hyperthreaded Pentium 4 with only one true core, but VirtualBox treats it as two... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Thursday, June 28, 2012, 3:27:23 PM, you wrote: Are such mail clients really so poor as to merit keeping a Windows client on a Linux machine? I've not tried any of them, but for some 4 years now I've been running a WinXP virtual machine on one Linux box for the specific purpose of staying with TB! while going to Linux as my primary system. It works quite well. I do have Thunderbird installed on a separate Linux box, and use it primarily for newsgroups and occasionally for forwarding things to my primary Email account that feeds the TB! client. I find that to be simpler than trying to copy and paste things across my LAN -- it's possible, of course, but somewhat convoluted. Much simpler to Email to myself, then pick up the message in TB! -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about Address Book numbers
Monday, May 7, 2012, 6:32:32 PM, you wrote: Can someone tell me what the difference between the two numbers are? The first is the number of messages in the folder itself. The second, in parentheses, is the total number of messages in the folder and all of its subfolders. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange error message
On Saturday, March 17, 2012, at 3:13:48 AM, Lynn wrote: I fully expected to have to give up TheBat! after all these years of dependency, but I was thrilled to find it loaded perfectly in Wine (v1.3.30, if anyone is interested). I too have switched my systems from Windows to Linux (using Xubuntu 10.04.4) and am still using TB! but not via Wine, which I've never installed. Instead, I installed Oracle's VirtualBox program, created virtual machines, loaded my Windows into the VMs, and run TB in that virtual machine. Given adequate RAM (I'm running 2 GB) and CPU (hyperthreaded Pentium 4 here) performance of TB! is equal to what it was under native WinXP, and there's no problem of compatibility at all. Setting up the virtual machine took a little time, particularly in the area of making sure the internet connections worked properly, but once established, it runs error-free. An additional advantage is that I can access TB! from any machine on my LAN, via the RDP server built into VirtualBox. In fact I'm posting this reply from another box using that capability. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.4 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to clear Inbox folder?
Hello Bats!, I've apparently got a damaged inbox; it shows one unread message but nothing will display. Can someone tell me how to empty the folder without having to totally remove the account? Thanks! -- Jim Kyle mailto: j...@jimkyle.com Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to clear Inbox folder?
On Saturday, March 3, 2012, at 9:17:10 AM, Jim Kyle wrote: Can someone tell me how to empty the folder without having to totally remove the account? I just emptied it from the menu and things now seem to be working again. Sorry for the momentary panic! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 (Folder template, no ACCOUNT macro in it) Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replicating Attachment problems.
On Thursday, August 11, 2011, at 3:20:51 AM, Marck Pearlstone wrote: AM Obviously this a a bug and not a feature. Not so. This is entirely predicted, predictable and required behaviour. As I read Abigail's message, only one message that referred to the attachment existed before the backup, and afterwards there were five more but still only one message referring to it. The creation of the five superfluous copies certainly sounds like a big to me, and a fairly serious one at that. However, I do agree with you that leaving the attachment in the message file is the best way to avoid the problem. It might also work to uncheck the delete attachment when message is deleted from trash box in the account preferences, but I've not tested that nor do I plan to modify my attachment handling since it works properly when keeping attachments with their original messages. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 (Folder template, no ACCOUNT macro in it) Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Restoring an account
On Wednesday, March 2, 2011, at 11:44:07 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote: Hint: set up scheduled backup once you get it to run - that should make such disaster recovery easier Already did that; established an account with mozy for free offsite backup, with up to 2 GB storage, and just finished the initial upload. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 (Folder template, no ACCOUNT macro in it) Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Restoring an account
I run TB in a VirtualBox virtual machine, since it requires Windows and my systems all run on Linux these days. Late last week, something damaged the virtual disk file for that machine, making it unusable and thus losing nearly a year's worth of mesages and all of my configuration data. Fortunately I had a copy of the virtual disk file, made last August after I became suspicious that my LAN had been invaded (through my own security lapse, not via any vulnerability), and was able to mount that one as the E: drive on a new WinXP VM. After setting the mail directory from default to E:\The Bat! I was able to recover all the common folders, as well as one (inactive) account -- but the other two accounts did not appear in the new installation. I've verified that their folders are present in the directory, but have forgotten (if I ever knew) how to get them into TR's awareness. One of the two is the one that contains my copies of all the forum messages, so I cannot search for the data. Meanwhile I'm using Thunderbird on another Linux box to stay in touch... Can someone tell me how to import/activate those accounts? Many thanks! -- Jim Kyle Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Restoring an account
On 03/01/2011 07:24 PM, MFPA wrote: My next suggestion is creating a new account with exactly the same name as the (missing) old one, then closing and restarting TB!. I probably don't need to remind you to make sure you have a backup before doing this, just in case. That's almost what I did, but I created the new account with a different dummy name, then copied all the folders from the original into the new one. That provided the backup. I then created another new one, this time with the same name as the original, and it worked as expected. Finally I deleted the one with the dummy name, so now I'm back as I was before the problem hit -- except for losing the past six months worth of messages and any tweaks to my filters, address book, and so on. TB is so much better than Thunderbird that I can hardly wait to get back to it! -- Jim Kyle Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Connection Centre strangeness
Hello Bats!, I've just switched my web presence provider/mail server from CorpSite to GoDaddy, and during the changeover period have both servers set up as separate accounts. I copied all settings from the old account (except, of course, for the server addresses, user id, and passwords) to the new and now that the name server changes have propagated somewhat, am receiving mail through the new server. However, each time TB! checks the new server, the Connection Centre dialog pops up and waits for me to dispatch it, rather than completing the action automagically as it did before. This, of course, plays havoc with unattended operation overnight. What configuration setting should I use to make it work as it did before? -- Best regards, Jim mailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version %ANTISPAMSNIPER_VERSION Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre strangeness SOLVED
On Saturday, February 26, 2011, at 8:23:44 AM, Jim Kyle wrote: However, each time TB! checks the new server, the Connection Centre dialog pops up and waits for me to dispatch it, rather than completing the action automagically as it did before. This, of course, plays havoc with unattended operation overnight. What configuration setting should I use to make it work as it did before? Solved -- I had checked off a box in the new account preferences to invoke the dispatcher on each check! Clearing that checkmark made things work as expected... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 (Folder template, no ACCOUNT macro in it) Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Search conditions in Message Finder
Test for On--- On Monday, January 31, 2011, at 8:04:39 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote: The Search window will always display at least 4 conditions when opened. I get only one condition when I open the message finder from the toolbar. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Motel error message
Test for On--- On Sunday, October 31, 2010, at 8:10:36 AM, jlar...@charter.net wrote: Anybody have any idea what this means and how I can get past it? The message is pretty clear that the server will not accept traffic from an IP that's not assigned to Charter, so if the motel uses some other ISP, there's no way to get around it. If sending an Email is urgent, you might try using a webmail interface instead of TB -- or opening a gmail or other account that WOULD accept traffic from the motel's ISP. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All The Bat! files disappeared?
Test for On--- On Tuesday, October 19, 2010, at 10:54:02 AM, aweb...@wwwebbers.com wrote: Is it possible that I dragged the folder The Bat! INTO Transit, which isnext to it? Would that have had this result? I suspect it would. If the aboveuser error is in fact the cause, can I just delete the entire My Documents\TheBat! structure that's there (with only 3 emails), drag MyDocuments\Transit\The Bat! up a level, and re-launch The Bat! ? Or do I need tore-import or something? That definitely sounds like what happened, and it also shows that your older messages are all still intact. Dragging the folder back up to its proper level should put things back as theyy were before the move, but you may find that initially all the sub-folders seem to be empty. I had that experience when I copied my installation from one machine to another. However I discovered that when I clicked on any of the empty folders, it immediately was re-populated. Apparently there are internal indexes that don't get built when moving the mail system, but do get built on the first attempt to access the folder. It was quite disconcerting at first, but all turned out well once I had found out how to trigger the rebuilding action! One caution: instead of deleting the present top-level structure, I would simply rename it to something like My Doicuments\tb.new so that you don't lose the messages that it contains. You can them import them back into their rightful locations after restoring the original files. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Active account question
Test for On--- On Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 7:54:53 AM, MFPA wrote: Why? What happens if you right-click the folder where you need to move the messages from and select re-filter...? Nothing at all, since the filters for routing those messages are associated with another account. I could move all of them to Common and it would probably work, but that introduced other problems when I tried it several years ago with a much older version of TB. I see nothing strange. Whatever account has focus is active. If a common or virtual folder has focus, no account is active. That exactly describes what I see here, but the program did not act this way with the older version that I used for years. The old action was that this checkbox determined which account would be used for server access and had nothing to do with focus. It defaulted to the account checked off as the mailto one, but could be changed manually from the pop-up. The current action makes it essentially useless since it offers no information not already on the screen because of the focus. Incidentally, I looked at the pop-up while typing this reply, which is working in my tbudlacct account. None of the three is checked. The reason for having a separate account for tbudl is to have no numbering of replies when messaging here. My normal account does number the replies, but folk objected to that happening on the list -- and since numbering is controlled at the account level, not by the template in use, the separate account was necessary. If you are creating accounts that will neither send nor receive mail, I have to wonder if your purpose might be better served by instead creating folders under your one account that actually sends and receives. The tbudlacct must be able to send, but it need not receive since the filter on the normal account will direct incoming messages to it properly. The problem is that messages to other recipients are sent from it with no warning, unless I check the active account item before replying. If there are now macros that I can add to templates that will force my desired routing, I'd definitely be willing to use them! That is, all traffic to or from tbudl should use tbudlacct while all other traffic should use the account web (the third account is for a service on different servers that I no longer track daily, but merely check manually every week or two). Thanks for the comments and suggestions! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.8 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Active account question
On Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 10:21:38 AM, Rick wrote: Can't you use the %SINGLERE macro to achieve that on the template level? It's already there in the reply template for this folder, but I had another idea: I've added two new filters to the Sorting Office, one for incoming and the other for outgoing, to move any message to the appropriate folder of the web account. Now if the sorting office will re-filter the messages after the move, the problem should be solved. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.8 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Active account question
Test for On--- On Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 11:20:14 AM, MFPA wrote: I hope something I have said may be of use. Definitely useful, all of it! Your option C was what I came up with even before receiving your reply, and we'll see whether that does the trick. If it does, I'll move the TBUDL folder back to Common and do away with the special account, since it ought not to be necessary any more. The other extra account hasn't created any problems since it uses totally different servers (it's my ISP's mail service, which is too flaky to rely on so I run my own mail server at my web presence provider's site). -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.8 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Active account question
Hello Bats!, I'm having a strange problem: from time to time, my active account choice gets changed for no apparent reason. I have three separate accounts in my installation but intend for only one of them to be used for contacting my mail server. I check that one off on the active account item of the system tray pop-up menu, and have it checked as the default account for mailto actions. Neither of the others has the default account checkbox checked, nor are they set for checking automatically at any time. However, after TP has been running for a while, suddenly incoming and outgoing traffic is being handled by one of the two other accounts, and when I look at the systray pop-up, none of the accounts is checked as active -- or, sometimes, the checkmark has moved to the third account! I move it back manually, and a few hours later this happens again. Since my sorting office has most of the filters defined only for the standard account, this bollixes my automatic sorting of messages. I have to manually move each new or sent message to the appropriate common folder. Is anyone else experiencing such a strange situation, or have any idea what might be going on? FWIW, I'm running TB on WinXP Pro in a virtual machine, but that ought not have anything to do with this... My TB version is 4.2.36.4... -- Jim Kyle mailto:j...@jimkyle.com Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Persistent unwanted widget
Hello Bats!, I've had to rebuild my systems after a possible rootkitting, and in the process upgraded to the latest version of TB! All seems to be going well, except that there's an edit box showing near the bottom of my message list that I cannot seem to get rid of. It appears to be associated with the filter tab; if I type text into it, a new filter tab appears. However nothing that I have tried seems to be able to get rid of it! Since it's always on top, it hides part of the information on the message list. My question is simple: how can I make it go away? -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Persistent unwanted widget
On Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 12:00:12 PM, MFPA wrote: Have you tried dragging it to dock against the toolbars? Or right-clicking an empty area of the toolbar and seeing if it is one of the toolbars selected? Yes to both. It won't drag; it's just an edit box with no border or title bar. It appears to be part of Quick Search but I don't have that toolbar selected to view... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 (Folder template, no ACCOUNT macro in it) Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Persistent unwanted widget
On Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 12:00:12 PM, MFPA wrote: Or right-clicking an empty area of the toolbar and seeing if it is one of the toolbars selected? Thanks for putting me on the right track! After identifying it as part of the Quick Search pop-up, I went back to the customize dialog, reset Quick Search to the defaults, saved that change, then checked Quick Search in the View menu. The edit box vanished. I then unchecked Quick Search, and now all is well! No Quick Search toolbar and no ghost edit box either... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 (Folder template, no ACCOUNT macro in it) Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB layout question
Test for On--- On Saturday, June 12, 2010, at 11:26:59 AM, Susanne wrote: it's been ages since I set up TB on a new computer, and I can't for my life find where to change the layout (things like having the folder tree take up the whole left, instead of having the message view take up the whole width). Try the View menu, Window Split Mode submenu. That's what works on this version... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Rearranging folders
Test for On--- On Saturday, May 29, 2010, at 7:04:35 AM, Jack wrote: The Work folder has many accounts that change often. Overtime, some need to be archived. If I renamed the folders, I would be in same situation of having to move a large number of accounts the other way. I have a similar situation, and adopted the passworded archived account solution suggested by MFPA but with some slight differences: rather than moving entire folders, I've created folders of similar but not identical names under the archive account, and created filters in the Sorting Office to move messages from the currently selected folder to the similarly named one in the archive account. Actually I don't move ALL messages, just those older than 6 or 12 months, so that I retain my correspondence history while keeping the current working folder relatively uncluttered. This does require a bit of tedious effort to set up initially, but once that is done it's quite easy to automate the actual cleanup process... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Rearranging folders
Test for On--- On Saturday, May 29, 2010, at 12:23:37 PM, MFPA wrote: Is that a manually activated or an automatic filter? What is the rule? (Age is greater than X days?) Is it different filter for each folder you archive, or is there some way of expressing the destination folder so that you can use the same filter for multiple folders? It's manually actuated for me, since I only open the Archived account when I need to look something up or do housecleaning. And it's a different filter for each folder, which is the tedious part of setup.The rule is age greater than X days with the X chosen to reflect the traffic in each folder. Some are 30 days, others are 365, and most everything in between. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why TB Takes So Long To Queue Messages
Test for On--- On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, at 8:21:35 PM, Tim Hamm wrote: When sending mail with smtp, why does mail take so long to queue before sending. I see similar behavior, but only when I have a fairly large file attached to the message. Attachments have to be encoded before the message can be sent to the server, and that long delay is the time it takes to do the encoding. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: embedding pdf file in e-mail
Test for On--- On Thursday, January 28, 2010, at 10:37:50 AM, Achdut18 wrote: If I convert the Pub file to jpeg, there is loss of definition when I try to reduce the size of the image in the email. Is it not possible to embed pdf files into an e-mail? I routinely send PDF files up to 18 MB in size via email, but do it by attaching the file to the message rather than attempting to embed them. However, your ISP may limit the size of your email messages, so this is something to watch out for. When a PDF is attached, the file is encoded in a way that almost doubles its actual size, so extremely large PDF attachments may well be too big to handle. Also, many providers limit the size of incoming files, so even if you can transmit the attachment with no problem, the recipient may not get it... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: embedding pdf file in e-mail
Test for On--- On Thursday, January 28, 2010, at 1:41:18 PM, MFPA wrote: All well and good, since presumably they must be sending them to correspondents who are expecting them and able to receive them. Else they would have to be split and re-combined. (-; That's the case with the large files I mentioned, also; they're proof copies of a 40-page quarterly magazine that I put together for my alumni association. Everyone involved has (a) high speed connections and (b) tolerant ISPs that allow such large files. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup
Test for On--- On Sunday, January 24, 2010, at 4:49:03 AM, Tom wrote: the normal backups are going back to my OS drive ( so the thinking is that if the mail directory goes corrupt, I have backup - if the OS drive goes bust, my mail directory is not affected. If both go bust, at least I have the monthly backup on an external drive. That's good planning, but what protection do you have if your house burns down? A comprehensive backup plan should include off-site copies of the backup data, to provide for such disasters. Of course, should that happen, saving your mail might be the least of your worries! FWIW, I don't have off-site backups either... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP-encrypted messages received from a contact who uses Apple Mail don't behave as expected
Test for On--- On Wednesday, January 6, 2010, at 5:56:21 AM, MFPA wrote: Has anybody experience of this and/or an explanation? Apple's OS/X is a variant of Unix, which uses only the linefeed character to mark the end of each line. Windows uses the return/linefeed pair. I suspect that the absence of the return byte in front of the linefeed is why you're getting the squares -- but since I don't use PGP I have no idea why it's treating the message as an attachment. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Test for On--- On Friday, August 28, 2009, at 7:59:55 PM, Susanne wrote: I've ruthlessly thrown out a bunch of mail that I'll most likely never miss (am an email pack rat, apparently) and things seem a bit speedier. FWIW, when you get that (not responding) tag in the Task Manager, it means that that specific process isn't processing events the way that Windows is designed to do. I encounter it from time to time on my old Win98SE systems, usually from my browser (Opera 9), but I believe that the actual culprit is the o/s itself, which is attempting to do a disk read and has disabled interruption during what's supposed to be a very short time but which is actually stretching out to several minutes instead of only a few microseconds. The large number of reads required by your huge mail folders can certainly increase the odds of this happening, but it's also possible that your hard disk is preparing for forced retirement in the not too distant future! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Test for On--- On Sunday, August 23, 2009, at 12:17:12 PM, MFPA wrote: Placing the line %SingleRe%- before instead of after the %SetHeader lines fixed the issue in my PGPNET reply template. The %SingleRe is no longer ignored and the Hi is no longer swallowed. Moving the %SingleRe%- to after the %SetHeader lines replicated the issue in my TBUDL reply template. So the position of the %SingleRe%- line within the template IS critical to its operation. How do we go about reporting this as a replicable bug? More to the point, is it worthwhile doing so, since use of SingleRe is already deprecated? Would it be better to request addition of the checkbox for numbering to all of the Reply template dialogs? -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
On Thursday, August 20, 2009, at 12:57:25 PM, MFPA wrote: The easy answer to that is for the new account to never check for incoming mail. I have some accounts set up like that, with no receive mail settings at all. Also make sure that mailbox checking has both boxes unticked and ignore 'check all accounts' request is ticked. That's what I came up with, more or less by accident. Now the outgoing replies are sent from the new account, but it never checks for new mail and leaves that for the old one to deal with. Charles found an interesting anomaly that I'm now exploring, implying that the %- macro might be involved since the On of the first line was getting suppressed. I've got to plan out a series of experiments to pin it down and allow others to try to replicate the problem, though, since it's so extremely subtle... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Checking signatures
Test for On--- On Thursday, August 20, 2009, at 1:10:39 PM, Robert wrote: Hope it works this time. I've noticed that Auto-Format option does make some mess with the lines. :-( -- Best regards, Robert Nope, still not working. Apparently the space at the end is missing. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Checking signatures
On Thursday, August 20, 2009, at 11:47:13 PM, Robert wrote: Hopefully, now it should work. Yep, you've fixed it. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 1:37:03 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: The most common reason for AB templates that aren't used is that you've got multiple address book entries for the same address. So I searched the AB for tbudl and got two entries. I then deleted one of them and searched again to make certain there was only one. Next I restored the tick mark for numbering on the account, after modifying the reply template in the AB to indicate that it's indeed the AB template (as you can see in the signature) -- and behold, the numbering in the subject line is back again despite the %SingleRe%- line in the template! Could it be the positioning of the macro within the template? Should it be somewhere else, possibly before the account one? The puzzle is getting interesting even though it's somewhat off topic for the original thread... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 10:15:27 PM, tracer wrote: For this msg I am partly using that macro you posted. I don't see any number in the subject and also in my tail of the msg for Antispamsniper which is installed (free one) the version isn't mentioned. When you edit the templates I assume you have noticed you can if you want set a tick mark to get or not get numbers. See my reply to Roelof for details of the current test. The bottom group of lines in the template I posted earlier produce the version numbers, but I'm using the paid version of the sniper and the free version may not include the version macros (which come from the sniper, not from TB!). I see the checkbox on the template dialog for the entire account, but it's not there on the dialog to set a template for either the folder or the AB. If it were, that would solve the whole problem! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 8:10:05 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: I haven't got any address book templates that use the %Account= macro Why are you using it, do you filter your tbudl messages to a common filter? Yes, I am. Could that be the problem? I'll try changing the sequence just in case it makes a difference. It might well be, since the %Account= macro might take effect AFTER the %SingleRe one and thus override it because of the tick mark... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 8:10:05 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: I haven't got any address book templates that use the %Account= macro Why are you using it, do you filter your tbudl messages to a common filter? I've moved the list's folder over to be under the web account, and the filter also from common to web but as you can see the numbering is still there. A true puzzlement; perhaps I'll have to wipe out the whole folder and create it anew under the web account -- but if I'm going to do that I might as well create a separate account for the list. I guess that's the next thing to try... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry, no ACCOUNT= macro now) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 8:10:05 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: I haven't got any address book templates that use the %Account= macro Why are you using it, do you filter your tbudl messages to a common filter? This is a test from the brand new account created for use only with this list. Apparently this is going to work, if this message makes it into the servers... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry, no ACCOUNT= macro now) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 11:40:00 AM, Jim Kyle wrote: This is a test from the brand new account created for use only with this list. Apparently this is going to work, if this message makes it into the servers... It's not feasible; since both this new account and the older web account are accessing the same POP3 mailbox, whichever one gets there first grabs all the traffic and the other never sees it. I could probably do some complicated things with the Sorting Office to route everything where it should go, but it's really not worth the effort to do so since I don't post here all that often. This thread probably has more messages from me, than does the entire rest of the list for the years I've been subscribed! For now, I'll just go back to my original setup. Thanks for all the comments; I've learned a lot about some of the features. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry, no ACCOUNT= macro now) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Test for On--- On Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 12:16:04 PM, Charles Canato wrote: I'd have to TBUDL archives right now to be sure, but I could swear I saw your template like On , but on the first line of your replies, it's started right with just the week day name. Check that... it seems you're not seeing the real involved template. Add any dummy words to that one you posted here for us, so you can check you're looking at the right one. Great catch and I'll have to follow up with more testing. It looks as if the %- macro may have been a cause of the problem; I took it out and added a few words, and On returned! Here's the AB template used for this reply. Gotta leave right now but I'll check this out some more since there may be a possibly serioud bug hiding under all this: %SingleRe Test for On--- On %ODateEn, at %OTimeLongEn, %OFromName wrote: %Quotes %Cursor -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version %ANTISPAMSNIPER_VERSION -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
On Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 3:07:30 AM, Geoff Lane wrote: However, I do have one issue with VirtualBox, which is that I have to keep the user account on the host machine logged in. I've not had that problem with VMWare Server at either version 1.5 or 2; it runs round the clock here with no users logged into the host system. My two VirtualBox installations run only on a test basis, so have not seen this situation but it would be a killer for me. Both VMWare and Sun's Virtualbox are free downloads with no major use restrictions so the choice should be made on the basis of features and performance. The open source version of Virtualbox does have one serious limitation: it doesn't support USB peripherals. However Sun's non-open version does, and that's the one I've installed here. With all these programs it's necessary to install their accessory packages into the VM itself in order to get full functionality. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
On Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 9:27:15 AM, Jens Franik wrote: And with which System do you access to the Virtual Machine? There is no Operating System running and no User logged in? The host system is running with no users logged in; it's sitting at the login screen. The VM, of course, is running with my single user logged in, and TB! running as is normal. So there are two operating systems running: the host is sitting at its login screen but VMWare Server is running as a daemon in background, while the VM is running XP with my user logged in. The difference you cite between server and workstation implementation may explain why I have no problem with VMWare Server; I've not attempted to use VMWare's Workstation package. Virtualbox may well be simply a workstation implementation. That difference is good to have pointed out! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
On Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 10:01:10 AM, Jens Franik wrote: And who gives the Virtual Machine access to the Graphic Card and Screen? If there is an X System running, this needs to be started with an Account - even if it is unprivileged. I didn't mention that the host system uses GDM, the Gnome Display Manager, to log into the gui automagically. I think it runs as root, as the final stage of the init process. VMWare Server includes its own VNC server, not well documented at all, but that makes it possible for me to access the VM from any other machine on my LAN just as if I were at the host itself, even with nobody logged into the host. That's a definite plus, to me. Right now I'm at the host, but earlier in the thread I was accessing from another box entirely... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 11:34:42 AM, MFPA wrote: You could avoid those untidy little numbers in your subject lines by including in your reply template for TBUDL the following line:- Thanks for reminding me! I keep the numbers in most of my messages, because so many of my correspondents use Outlook and other programs that do not provide proper threading data and the numbers help me manually restore threading in my archives... This reply uses the new template but probably still has the old number from my previous one. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 1:05:18 PM, MFPA wrote: How difficult can it be for an email client to send the message-id of the email it replies to in a follow-up header? And does that mean you get messages with subjects starting, Re: Re[2]: (-; Not difficult at all, but it's all up to the folk who write the program and my experience is that most Microsoft mail programs omit this vital threading data. Yes, I do get such messages, and drag them to the proper spot for re-threading in the message list. As for what is happening with the header in this message, my best guess is that the whole subject line of your message is being copied, including the [2]. If the old template were still being used, the number would have incremented to 4 on my previous reply, and thence to 6 for this one. The absence of any increment tells me that the new template is working as expected; the unexpected part is that the old [2] addition didn't get erased from the previous reply! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 4:18:42 PM, MFPA wrote: I suggest re-evaluating whether your new template is working as expected; my messages do not contain the [2] in their subject line. Here's the template, just copied (of course the signature break is part of the template). Still the numbers are getting added, even though I shut down TB! and restarted it just in case the template was being held in RAM rather than read from disk anew for each message. Perchance a bug? %ACCOUNT=web%- %SingleRe%- On %ODateEn, at %OTimeLongEn, %OFromName wrote: %Quotes %Cursor -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version %ANTISPAMSNIPER_VERSION -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 4:18:42 PM, MFPA wrote: I suggest re-evaluating whether your new template is working as expected; my messages do not contain the [2] in their subject line. No matter what I tried (putting in an address book template for the list, setting a folder template per my previous reply, closing TB! and re-starting it after each change) nothing would remove the numbers until I cleared the checkmark for the entire account. That did work as this post shows. Apparently if I want to have the numbers on most replies, but not on replies to the list, I'll have to set up a separate account for using the list! In such a case, why do we even keep the SingleRe macro at all? -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat and Mac computing
On Monday, August 17, 2009, at 1:50:23 AM, Achdut18 wrote: Mail can be downloaded and sent from either machine, and viewed simultaneously; however the mail actually resides on the desktop, with the laptop's registry files merely indicating that the actual mail files are residing on the desktop. Do you know if this type of network setup will work when running XP inside of VMware's Fusion? While I'm not using a Mac, I do run TB! in an XP virtual machine under VMWare Server version 2 on a Linux system, and have no problem accessing the message files from other machines on my LAN. I've set up the VM to use bridged networking rather than NAT, so that it has its own address on the LAN (separate from that of the host system). I would expect Fusion to have this capability also since it's a standard VMWare feature. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 running in a VMWare virtual machine under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Selective download big files
On Wednesday, July 22, 2009, at 2:27:36 AM, Mark Partous wrote: I don't know if this works for attachments (haven't tried it): Account - Properties - Mail Management - Receive Header Only If Message Is Greater Than It does work. I've had mine set to 80K for a long time now. I get a notification message that has a link to the specific mailbox entry, that takes me to the Connection Centre so that I can read it, download it, or delete it. I often receive multi-megabyte attachments and it has really helped me manage them. Here's the first paragraph of the notification message: A message with the size exceeding 80 K bytes limit has arrived to your address - the message number on the server is 1. Please take care of it by yourself If I get multiple attachments in a single pass, I can go direct to the Check mail on server All messages from the menu, and select all of them to be downloaded (or just deleted if they are spam) at once. It makes life much simpler by letting me choose when to deal with lengthy downloads or low disk space. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sig lines
On Monday, April 20, 2009, at 9:44:17 PM, Lynn wrote: I don't need to know the reason for this (though I admit that my chronic state of pathological curiosity has been triggered), but I would REALLY like to know how to fix it. Go to Options - Preferences - Profile Layout. Scroll the sample down to its signature area. Highlight the sig lines. Then open the color combo box and pick your favorite color from the list. I chose fuchsia, which is more readable than the default silver yet still light enough to emphasize that it will be cut from a reply. As for the reason it's so light, that's just developers' choice of colors -- no significant reason of which I'm aware! Fortunately TB! has lots of configuration options so we can disagree with their choices... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations
On Saturday, April 18, 2009, at 4:20:47 AM, AC wrote: In the same dialog, for each template, there are check boxes for Use For New Messages, Reply Messages, and Forward messages. However, in each of your Account properties, you have to set up templates for all these categories anyway. Again, what's the difference, and how is each one meant to be used? Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options? I start from the top down. That is, I first set up the templates for my accounts (I only use three accounts, and one of those is for archiving old messages so it's never used for sending or receiving, hence does not need any templates). Then, if I want the same template in both accounts, I set it up as a Common Template and in its Options pane, check off both accounts under Use In. This lets me omit that template from both the accounts. The next level down is at the Group stage. I have several groups of users that get specialized templates, stored under the Group. Finally, there are individual templates at the Address Book level, and apply only to the specific user. When a template is to be used, the program looks first at the Address Book level for one specific to the recipient. If there's not one, it looks at the groups to which that recipient belongs. If there's still not one, it looks in the Common Templates if the account is checked, and finally at the Account properties. The first time it finda a template, it's the one used. The only ones that have to be there are those in the Account properties. All the rest are optional, letting you select special treatment for individual users, for user groups, or everyone. In my case, most of the template properties provided are left blank. Only a few Address Book templates are used, a couple of groups get special treatment, and most of my Quick Templates are specific to one account or the other although in all of them I have Use In checked for both because I created most of them before learning about the Common Templates. I don't use the QTINCLUDE macro a lot, but it's nice to have available. I hope this helps a bit; I agree that the documentation leaves much to be desired, mostly because so much of what does exist is obsolete and no longer valid. There is a conventional online forum, but my experience has been that the mailing lists are so much more helpful that I've not logged into that forum for many weeks now and when I do, I don't find much of interest. One of the reasons for lack of documentation is the lack of a common language; the user base here is the most internationalized of all the programs I use. I understand that if I were able to read Russian I could find more information on line (since that's the native language of the developers). This is a problem for many other programs as well; that's why the mailing lists continue to be the most reliable data sources. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Excluding accounts from 'new mail'-notification
On Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 7:59:30 AM, simbabque wrote: Is there a way to do that? Look at Account Properties for the Sound page and clear the check box Play sound when new mail arrives which should do the trick... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.7.1.5 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
On Monday, September 15, 2008, at 3:23:31 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I need to send credit card info to a vendor in payment for a part yet to be shipped. Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the recipient? Or am I worrying about nothing? The easiest way, if you have a fax machine, is to fax him the information. That's a straight phone-line connection, not networked, so the probability of anyone being able to tap into it is very small. In addition, the image format that fax uses is pretty effective as an encryption measure even though it's a published standard. A casual snooper isn't likely to have the necessary tools... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.7.1.5 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unread folders, redux
On Thursday, August 28, 2008, at 2:53:49 PM, Dan Lester wrote: When viewing unread folders there are multiple instances of inbox and there is no way of knowing which is which. Highlight the unread virtual folder, then in the view menu select message list columns and add a checkmark to the folder entry. You can move the entry to the position you want; I have mine as the rightmost on the display. This will show you the account and folder for each message in the list (at least it does here on version 3.85). I made this change quite some time back to help me locate client correspondence that had been automatically filtered. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.7.1.5 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Checking accounts
On Saturday, August 23, 2008, at 10:10:23 AM, Scott wrote: Mathematically speaking, this idea would be tough to do with 15 accounts picking a time interval to not check on top of each other and still getting your email in at a decent time. Use the first 15 prime numbers (excluding 1) for the intervals. The longest interval would be 47 minutes. Eventually there would be a point at which all of the checks coincided but it would be a long time away. Smaller numbers of collisions would happen more frequently, but when only two or three checks are being done at the same time the delay is much smaller... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.7.1.5 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG notification of virus check
On Saturday, July 5, 2008, at 3:07:19 PM, Luc wrote: Indeed, no success ...i suppose it's an AVG hickup That's my conclusion also, since I don't get the added messages on either incoming or outgoing stuff. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.7.1.5 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG notification of virus check
On Friday, July 4, 2008, at 6:09:16 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: However, to further confuse my addled brain I notice in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/PROTECTION/ANTI_VIRUS TB! lists avgbat.bav which is in the C:\PROGRAM FILESAVG folder, as an installed plugin On that dialog in Preferences, highlight the .bav entry and click the Configure button. On the resulting dialog you'll see a certify check box. Make sure it's checked, then click the Details button which will show you the text of the messages it will add. It still might not work; I'm using AVG 7.5 Pro here and have the box checked, but I don't always see any messages appended... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.7.1.5 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: New, Reply Format
On Tuesday, February 19, 2008, at 9:37:05 PM, Tim Hamm wrote: I have not changed any of my settings. Check your templates. Your example definitely appears to have the quoted material following the signature, where the old default templates put it at the top of the reply. Looks to me as if the new version may have changed all the templates! If not that, then the program is not processing the template properly now. This thread and a few others has solidified my decision to remain with version 3.85. It ain't broke (for me) so I see no need to fix it (and lots of reason NOT to)... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.6.0.1 Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB Suddenly Can't Connect with ISP
On Monday, December 31, 2007, at 6:00:10 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: What is the error message in TB!s account log? Have you tried telnetting to port 110? Just FYI, the ATT mail servers have gone to SSL for both outgoing and POP3 traffic, and ATT have sent many messages indicating that they will shut down ports 25 and 110 at some unspecified time in the (implied near) future. Before seeing the reply to you I suspected that this could have been the problem... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.6.0.1 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Accessing old attachments
On Friday, November 16, 2007, at 5:22:45 AM, Paul Meathrel wrote: Does anyone have any experience with this program? It lists the contents of the selected TBK file, but that's apparently all that it does. I don't see any way for it to extract anything from a backup... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.6.0.1 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Useful filter to catch those blank spam+pdf
On Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 4:12:06 AM, Martin Schuster wrote:
Just tried another way with some messages here, and it seems to work
I modified this slightly to catch the newer *.zip stock spams, and it
missed a few, so I made an even more drastic change:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [7EBEA000.01C7D515.6990CCD5.54269A30]
Name: Uncaught\20Spam
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`4`2`^$\0D\0A0`16`0`2\0D\0A}
SetMemo Text blank\0D\0A
MarkRead
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
Note that this will catch ALL messages with empty text plus attachments of
any sort. Seems to be doing the job for me, but best check the Junk folder
before wiping it just in case some wanted mail gets trapped...
I pasted it into Common Folder Incoming, as the last filter in the chain,
and applied to all my active accounts.
--
Jim Kyle
Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A
with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.5.0.2
Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Useful filter to catch those blank spam+pdf
On Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 4:21:13 PM, rich gregory wrote: Will this filter work under TB! v 2.12 if I paste it into my Sorting Office? I don't know, not having used TB! before version 3... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.5.0.2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Useful filter to catch those blank spam+pdf
On Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 6:46:56 PM, rich gregory wrote: I looked thru the different screens of that filter and couldn't find any actions for it to perform. There are two conditions: Text match ^$ and Message(attributes) is with attachments. The actions are: Set memo blank, Mark the message as read, and Move to folder \\\Junk. I don't know whether these are available in the older version of the sorting office. I did discover, since my earlier posting, that I have to copy the filter to Incoming of each account to be sure of catching all of the spam messages. I suspect that one of my other common filters was trapping some of them. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A with AntiSpamSniper Version 2.5.0.2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Spamfilters - Mailwasher pro
On Tuesday, July 17, 2007, at 5:14:03 PM, Code 2 wrote: I like Richard's blacklist solution for .pdf attachments, but I just can't risk a false positive on an important e-mail. Maybe the solution is to filter these to an Unknown folder for periodic review. Kind of a nearly-Junk Mail folder. I've been using AntiSpam Sniper for nearly a year now, through several major upgrades, and it catches almost everything that comes my way. Since I do commercial database recovery and more than half of my business arrives through Email I cannot depend on whitelisting alone, and I have to make my address available on my web site -- but the Sniper still does a great job. I still check my Junk mail folder often, before deleting its content, and found it quite helpful to sort that message list (and just that list, no others) on the To address column. This makes it easy to check my two published addresses for possibly good mail, and lets me skip over all the spam that's addressed to others but has me on a BCC list... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all off right click menu
It's in the Message Controller group of actions... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antispam Sniper
There's a filter rule in the Sniper that's disabled by default, to classify as spam any message with attached image files. If you enable it, you should get 100% rejection. Unfortunately it will also reject any messages from friends or family that have attached images, unless those senders are in the friends list. Since some of my customers (not in the friends list) attach image files of screen shots when asking for assistance, I can't use this rule -- but it should be quite helpful to most folk. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Quarantine folder
I'm using the AVG anti-virus plug-in, and it creates the Quarantine folder only when an infection is detected. I can delete the folder and it will stay gone until another baddie shows up. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Connecvtion Center hangs
Hello tbudl, Starting yesterday, my copy of TB! seems to hang with the Connection Center active. That is, it never closes down after checking my two accounts for new traffic. It does bring in all the messages, and I'm able to filter them properly, but it never finishes its tasks. When I attempt to quit TB!, I get the warning box that tasks are still active, and the Abort button does nothing to force an exit. My backup strategy, using an external backup program, requires that I shut down TB! before the backup program runs. Last night I used the Terminate application capability of TaskInfo to force the shutdown but I'm concerned that this may leave TB! databases in some undefined state and make things worse. Any ideas? -- Jim Kyle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Connecvtion Center hangs
A re-boot seems to have cleared up the problem, but I made the changes you suggest to both accounts just in case it might happen again. Many thanks! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Threads by...
On Wednesday, September 20, 2006, at 7:08:56 AM, Steven P Vallière wrote: If this is possible, where is it hidden? I'm doing exactly what you want. However I'm not using the properties to set up the views. I have the global view set to no view selected, and then for each folder that I want to be threaded, I right-click in the Subject heading of the message list. This brings up the list of possible views, and I select threaded from it. That appears to set some partially hidden property of the single folder, without having any effect on the others. Originally, when I left a folder after changing anything about its view (such as the view itself or the column widths) TB would prompt me asking whether to save the changes. I finally turned off confirmation for this action and now it does so quietly. -- Jim Kyle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bug: AV
On Wednesday, September 13, 2006, at 1:32:40 PM, Richard Wakeford wrote: No AVs here but, if it's been running for more than a few hours, it still takes an absolute age to close down. I had similar results here (the long shutdown time) and came across an item in one of the help files that suggested NOT doing compress on exit for large folders. I have a couple of folders with more than 20,000 messages in each (including subfolders) and removed the checkmark for them. The long shutdown time vanished. I still keep things tidy, but now I do so by using the Folder Maintenance tool once a week or so to do all of the purging and compression... -- Jim Kyle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
On Monday, September 11, 2006, at 7:31:14 AM, Robin Anson wrote: Under e-mail scanner select configure and tell it to certify the incoming mail. Then it will leave a message on the incoming mail once it has been scanned Interesting. My plug-in has both incoming and outgoing certification checked, but I'm not seeing any certification on the messages from this list. Before I got the plug-in working, I had AVG Free running from outside of TB! and then every incoming message had a part.txt containing the certification. Now, nada. And the Virus Vault is still empty, as it has been ever since I switched from Eudora to TB! -- Jim Kyle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: attachements can only be dragged
On Wednesday, September 6, 2006, at 4:13:14 PM, A.Translator wrote: The problem could well be with Windows - I don't know, I am not a Windows nor TB! expert. But since the problem is only a problem within TB! (countless other programmes use these browse windows to help ypou find a folder or file, they all still do) I hoped for a solution from these forums. That sounds as if your copy of TB! might have gotten damaged in such a way as to change the file type filter it uses in the browse window from ZIP to ZAP and also to change the option flags for the browse window to prevent any changes. This information is usually stored, invisibly to the user, as part of the EXE file. I'd try doing a total backup of TB!s data, then uninstalling TB! and re-installing it, to make sure that it's not a damaged file... -- Jim Kyle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Sanctioned bayes plugins (redux)
On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 10:49:04 AM, Kitty wrote: I've been trying Antispamsniper and it seems to miss about half the spam. I have it set to mark as spam if it has a score of 60. Should I be setting this much lower? I'm not getting many false positives but it is missing a lot. I have mine set at 55. However it takes quite a bit of training. I'm still getting a few undetected, but the detection rate is rapidly increasing. At present I'm highlighting the whole Junk folder and clicking the junk button each time I check the mail, and also clicking not junk for each good message. It's important to let it know what is not junk, as well as what is junk... I also did register it, and am using the bad words feature that is only in the paid version to simplify the spam filtering. However my address appears on my web page since I have an on-line business and as a result get between 100 and 200 messages daily, most of which are spam... -- Jim Kyle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Find all templates in v2.12
Rich, You might try creating a new message in each folder, but closing the message editor without sending it. This should give you an error if the folder's new message template has a drive reference in it, just as your post here did. They do the same for replies. I've used this trick to verify that my templates were creating the exact look I want. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
